Planning & Community Design Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Tonight's planning and community design meeting is called to order. Today is August 6, 2026. Ms. Ford, if you would please call roll. Sam Wallach.

Present.

Present. Present. Oh, Felicia, please turn on your microphone. Hit it.

Okay. Do you need me to restart or just go where I was? We're good? You heard it? Okay. So Petrie Powell is absent. Felicia Ford, I'm here. Jenna Natt.

Present. Clark Hickman.

Present.

And Tim Spiegelglass.

Present.

Okay. We follow an agenda and run kind of in order. We have public comments at the beginning of the meeting. Seeing nobody in attendance, I don't think I need to go over all the rules for that or online.

Yes.

I do.

We actually do have several people in attendance. So if you could go over.

Oh, there are some people online. I see that now. I'm sorry. Okay. So we have public comments at the beginning of the meeting. Please limit your comments to about three minutes. If it's about an item on the agenda, please wait to speak at that time. If it is not on the agenda. We will do that before starting our agenda items. When you are, if you want to speak during public comments, please raise your hand on your Zoom and then Mr. Treholz will promote you to be able to talk. I'm sure I'm forgetting other stuff.

Chairman, you have everything covered. The one thing we would ask is, this is a live stream meeting, and for security purposes, you are required to have your video and audio on if you want to speak before the commission. It's just part of the process to make sure that the streaming is conducted safely. So I appreciate it. So, Chair, if it's okay if we can provide the opportunity for public comments?

Yes.

If there's anybody that would like to speak about a general land use item before the commission, you're more than welcome to do so now before the commission. If you are here to speak in regards to one of the agenda items, we ask that you hold off until we get to that agenda item to speak. I have several people that are online, and I only recognize one. the five people online that is tied to one of the specific agenda items. So for the others, if you would like to speak to the commission, if you can click the raise your hand, it's usually in the lower left corner of your monitor. On the phone, I think you have to tap the screen for the settings to pop up. So again, if anybody would like to speak in general, To the Commission, if you can show your hand. All right, Chairman, I believe there is no one who wants to speak. or they may be here for one of the other agenda items.

Okay. The first item on the agenda is 9091 Olive Crossing, the brass tap, but it was going to be deferred. They're still getting things together?

That is correct, Chairman. They're awaiting their revisions from their contractor. They heard the commission in terms of their discussions, so they're looking at... metal roof uh type of placement uh the contractor is just taking a little longer than they they would prefer okay and so then the second item is regarding a text amendment regarding point operated self-service laundromats in the cor district yes ma'am all right so this item was introduced at our last meeting um on july 23rd and I just want to kind of go over some information that we kind of talked about how we assess amendments to our zoning regulations and such we always utilize our our comprehensive plan and, in this case. Our current comprehensive plan is the 2024 comprehensive plan update. And the vision for the plan is to create a vibrant and unique community strengthened by its diverse population, invigorated by its opportunities for community connection and distinguished by its dynamic sense of place. The principles of the vision are to respond to the needs of our residents, provide a reliable funding source for our schools and city services, and retain and grow our existing economic base. These are really core and important as we consider whether there are petitions for investment and development in the City of Olivet, or as we modify our regulations and ordinances to further the goals and objectives of our comprehensive plan. The 2024 comprehensive plan When we do the reviews, our goal is to further some of these specific items that are noted for businesses, and that's to adopt environmentally sustainable business practices. to provide opportunities to invest in Olivet's industrial parks, to utilize and apply what we call crime prevention through environmental design, the CPTED principles, both in landscaping and development. And when that process usually takes place, we have meetings with our two chiefs, our fire chief and our police chief to assist us in the reviews and have that discussion. to increase native landscaping or plantings throughout our city and promote strategic redevelopment and growth that is sustainable, diversified, and meets the needs of future generations and operations. So when we do our reports, you'll see this table. And what we will do is highlight where the staff finds that a use, an amendment, or an observation furthers the goals of whether it's environmental sustainability, investment, crime prevention, native plantings, or strategic redevelopment. We received an application for a tax amendment to allow coin-operated self-service laundromats in what we call the COR, Commercial Office Retail District. The COR district is pretty much a majority of Olive Boulevard, not the whole corridor, but the majority of Olive Boulevard is what we call COR. What they would like to do is under conditional uses or special permit uses is add coin-operated self-service laundromats. Right now, they're not identified yet. in the COR district, so they're what I would term as prohibited. Under the COR district, we allow dry cleaners and dry cleaning establishments, but it specifically says except coin-operated laundromats. And that was a decision of when the COR district was put together. I think the last amendments were from 2012 in there. The proposed petitioner would like to add that as a special permit. which means it's not necessarily permitted by right. It would be subject to commission review and recommendation to the city council and ultimately the council to approve. And that they would request to impose the bulleted conditions there in your monitors, hours of operation, staffing and management, security measures, appearance and design, loitering prevention, refuse and maintenance requirements, material chemical storage. parking demand and compatibility review. So they would impose these conditions upon that specific use or so. The commission, when you're taking a look at a text amendment, this could apply anywhere under the COR district. So it's not site-specific, but we shouldn't consider it site-specific because once it's allowed in one area in the COR, it would be permitted in another area in the COR subject to whatever process or conditions that are imposed by the commission. All right. In our discussions at the last meeting, I was requested to put together some information regarding Olivet complexes. and what type of facilities they provide for laundry purposes. So here's a table that identifies from Bonham Village all the way down to Irvington Place. And just about everybody either provides unit hookups within the individual tenant spaces or a centralized laundry facility within their developments. Some do a couple or both. There was one where we just did not have enough information. Address is 9211 Olive. which consists of five units. We'll find that information out for you. So you'll see in this table, and it's part of your packet report, whether the facilities are provided onsite or not. Other thing that I was asked to put together, or we were asked to put together, was to identify other coin-operated self-service laundromats. I did within a five-mile radius of Dillman and Olive. And you can see along our east, kind of parallel with Olive Boulevard right behind. There's one just down the block from Deerburg's. There's one by Herman Park. And then one, I think that's Pennsylvania and Olive. And then there's several north of Page Street. on Midland Boulevard and all the way up to Rock Road. And as you go west, more northwest, a couple just outside of 270 along, I think it's, part of it is called Bennington and McKelvey Road. Uh, in there, so that kind of gives you an idea of the location. And the reason we did this is part of it was to have that discussion is, is it a. A service that is needed within our community in there and there was some discussions about given that we've added over 500 apartment units in the past 5 years. Um, you know, whether this is a. Service need that we should provide an opportunity for our newer residents to have access to in there. And then also, what is the convenience for current and new residents to access these type of facilities in there? We had some discussion on these and I think it kind of got. you know, in there, whether the prohibition was more of a social economic type of consideration that they had back in 2012 when the table was put together in there and went back and kind of looked at it and kind of looked at the comprehensive plan. And I think some of it in there is to understand, you know, a coin operated laundromat is not a sales tax producing type of entity. And when we put together the commercial office retail district, it was to provide a lot of the service type of needs that would be warranted for our community that we've heard from our residents in there and to create opportunities to develop revenue generating type of facilities. Now, not everything can be revenue generating, and we have a lot of personal service type of uses throughout the corridor. But the way they're laid out is that they're Many are kind of restricted as conditional uses of special permits, just like a dry cleaner. And I think there is merit in considering coin operated laundromats. I'm not sure specifically why the exception was put in place outside of it's not the highest and best type of land use and it's not revenue generating. However, if you consider it under the conditions that we permit a dry cleaner, meaning it has to be less than 5,000 square feet, or it does require a special permit, but then there are criteria that kick in. You need an 80,000 square foot lot. There's only certain locations that it would be allowed, and there are some traffic analysis and restrictions on the building size. that would balance out both those type of uses in place. The petitioner is not looking to request it as a permitted by right. But they are asking to be considered as a special permit. A special permit does give the commission, ultimately who does the analysis on behalf of the council, the ability to say or look at the merits and way its impacts on its surroundings, whether it's an appropriate use here, but not necessarily in a different location. And then the council also has a means to approve or disapprove the recommendation of the council. And they're imposing additional restrictions or even repeal an existing special permit that they find that is no longer operating within the spirit of the agreement. So understand there are things that, you know, There are protection levels in place as you go through that process. Again, this was presented at our last meeting. Everything that you see here in the Salmon color is COR, and it's pretty extensive from Price Road to Dillman, all the way up to Old Bonham and near the Lutheran school and church. This is the section under our current code that permits dry cleaning and laundry services except coin operated. That's what it currently says in the code. It allows those that are 5,000 square foot or less. We have a dry cleaner. I think it's American Cleaners at the Shops of Price Crossing. That is permitted by right. It's under 5,000 square feet, and it's integrated into a multi-tenant development, so it's not the dominant user on the site. And then if you're over 5,000, you're required a special permit. But the conditions for the special permit is that you have to be east of Olivet Executive and west of Indian Meadows. So it tries to keep you out of the area that we're trying to create our town center. You need 80,000 square feet and you're limited to 25% of the grossable lease area in a multi-tenant setting. And then you're required an access and traffic report on the impacts of Olive Boulevard that the use would have on Olive Boulevard and there. So we talked about why we didn't permit them in 2012. How can they be integrated as a multi-tenant facility or standalone or whether one should be better or the other? We talked about the 2024 Comprehensive Plan and then what we call our Catalyst Strategy for the Redevelopment of the Hollow Boulevard Corridor, which I'll get into. But I can tell you this. I mean, when we went through the Comprehensive Plan and we had all our public meetings, all our dialogue and surveys, we did not hear... we want coin operated laundromats. And that is okay. There was a lot of big topic discussions that were going on and in place, but it wasn't one of the major points of discussion during the comprehensive plan. And I had a slide for that in there. Now, while we have added you know, you know, over 500, uh, apartment units to the community. Uh, those units provide facilities, but it's still good to have a backup and you just don't have to live in an apartment to use a coin operated laundromat either. Uh, and there, there are several within the area. Uh, however, I do think that if, you know, if we consider them, they can be integrated similar, like what we did to dry cleaners, uh, requiring the, you know, the, the area regulations, uh, the land area regulations and the location, uh, uh, requirements. Um, and there, I think that kind of keeps, keeps it a tab that it, that we, uh, we make sure that it, you know, they, they don't dominate a very viable parcel, uh, that could have a bigger impact to the city, you know, down in the future. Um, and there, um, I hope that kind of answers your questions. You received the initial staff report today. I apologize, it was one-sided in there. But again, it talks about the process that we went through and the comprehensive plan update. When we heard the big ideas, personal services were not way up on top of there. I mean, there was a lot of people that talked about restaurants, small mom and pop type of shops and retail, unique retail opportunities in there. You'll see that in page 305. The comprehensive plan talks about having a balanced economy. So you could integrate a coin operated laundromat within the system. However, as long as it helps us further our goals and vision in the comprehensive plan. And again, those conditions that we talked about, the square footage for the building, the land area, the traffic review, can help facilitate and meet those goals. And then in addition, they're proposing some additional goals regarding operations hours and use. But be familiar with the vision for the local economy, it's in your packet, and the vision for sustainable land use. And then I'll note from our residents, we heard as one of the priority action comments was to consider the highest and best use principle when evaluating land use decisions to balance revenue potential and community preferences. So everything doesn't have to be a revenue generating, but you need to balance that out in there. And then did provide you some sustainability references is that is one of the core pillars of our comprehensive plan of environmental sustainability, you have a couple of references of some articles found online regarding their water usage how they've evolved. in terms of the technology and other things that we might, this community would want to consider as part of this process in there. And then you have a copy from the Missouri Department of Revenue regarding how they look at the industry in terms of taxes and what's taxable, what's exempt, and the use of uh the the machines is exempt but the purchase of supplies while you are there uh is not and that does generate uh um uh you know potential for sales tax revenue so at that point you know we're still a discussion we do have the petitioners here she is online uh in there but uh jaron i'd be glad to answer any questions or take any comments

Do you have a specific address for this proposed business?

I'll let the petitioner answer that. It's my understanding, yes, it's listed in their application request. However, I have to consider it as this is the whole, it applies to everything here in the salmon color. So even though they may be looking at a specific location, I have to consider that it could happen anywhere that's colored salmon.

So there are two issues. It seems to me. One is this petitioner's specific request and changing the paperwork so that such an activity could permit.

Correct. But two has to go before one. Right. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because depending on what actions the commission does determine in its analysis here. You can't approve. Correct. Okay. Now, a lot of the times they can go hand in hand, but at this point, we've been kind of talking about this, the impact as a corridor as a whole. They're going to have to look at their site, and based on the conditions we provide to dry cleaners, and based on the information they provided on their request, there are some conflicts. And that's something, and again, I have to look at it as a corridor as a whole, not to try to make this fit specifically where they're looking at.

Does anyone have any comments, questions before we allow the petitioner to come on and speak?

I was not here, unfortunately, last meeting. What were some of the concerns of the last meeting?

I think, and I'll note it in the front cover of the report, there was some discussion of why didn't the city want them back in 2012 when we put this together, because the decision is noted. It says, except coin-operated laundromats, you know. They permitted dry cleaners, but they specifically said no to coin-operated laundromats. And ultimately, it led to some discussion of whether that was something more regarding social economic type of disparities, you know, in that, you know, it's not the type of users that we want. in the community. I think that the commission felt comfortable in that discussion that, you know, that was not their goal. You know, they would look at it as, you know, as a use. Then there was some discussion about, well, is there a community need in there? And you, you as residents and, and, you know, friends with, with neighbors, if you hear, you know, people saying, well, I wish we had a coin operated laundromat, you know, Uh, and there, you know, and what we hear during the comprehensive plan process, they had a discussion, um, about that. And then it was brought in. It's like, wow, we brought in 500. Apartment units, uh, in there, you would think that there, there are people that would. find, you know, this is a good opportunity or use in there, given that we've had that influx in there. And then there was comments about, you know, about their safety, you know, that, you know, you could get loitering, you could get, you know, late nights and, and all that. Now I will note the petitioner then he was able to address those commission comments and in what they're proposing, you know, they have onsite, uh, attendant, they have restricted hours. Uh, they provide coffee and, and, uh, and refreshments for the, for the users that are in there, their high end, uh, or, or more modern, you know, uh, machines, uh, in there, they, they operate well lit, uh, And I think they were able to address at least some of the, I can't speak in regards for everybody, but I think people feel a little bit more comfortable with how the use is now as opposed to how it used to be considered 20 years ago. And I would welcome anybody else who had their comments.

Carlos, there was just one piece in your presentation that I was curious to hear more about, and that was your mention of the catalyst strategy. Could you say more about how this particular text amendment might relate to that?

Yes. prior to the adoption of the 2024 comprehensive plan. So in 2017 through 18, we put together and the commission adopted what we call the catalyst, the Olive Boulevard catalyst strategy. And the intent of that was to assist us in the process of development of the I-170 interchange, which was Olive Crossing, and the Old City Hall site, which is now the Oliver. And the intent of that was to do an analysis that if we created these two development sites, one at the interchange, one at the center of town, that we would create these two bookends and create momentum for redevelopment of the rest of the corridor. Within that analysis, some discussion about One was curating the type of tenants, being specific on the type of tenants, looking at retail type of tenants in the purpose of trying to create this super SID or TIF that would generate revenue to do improvements to the Olive Boulevard corridor. That's how it impacts that. Then when we adopted the 2024 comprehensive plan update, We added that catalyst strategy as what we would call an addendum or an appendix to that, that, you know, the overall objectives of that are still, you know, of value today with the current plan as they were when it was put together back in 2017. Does that address what, did you have any other questions on that or I want to make sure I

Yeah, I guess I was curious to hear specifically how you think, in regards to this specific text amendment, how it may or may not reflect some of the ideals that were discussed or stated in the catalyst strategy.

Yeah. Some of the things in the catalyst strategy, it did identify the type of land uses that were preferred. Again, it was going back to retail. restaurants, mom and pop shops, and things of that nature into looking at that means or opportunities to help do that. Also to improve the Olive Boulevard corridor and to reinvestment in some of these older properties that have been out there to consider that process. Again, going back that if we created these two catalysts, one on each side of town, in there that there would be, we would increase demand and reinvestment in that corridor. And then to look at that reinvestment to further, you know, retail growth, restaurant, you know, the things people were looking for that were identified in that plan. When we did the 2024 catalyst, excuse me, the 2024 comprehensive plan update, we heard from our community the same suggestions. They want more restaurants. They want more unique retail. They want more small business pop type of shops in there. Personal services was not high in the list in the survey information. But again, I couldn't, one of the things I could not tell you was, you know, when people were giving the selection of choices, how detailed they got. into those.

Thank you.

Anything else? Anyone? Okay. Why don't we bring our petitioner on and allow her to speak?

Mary, I'm going to promote you as a panelist. And again, if you can Nope, shouldn't have done that. Mary, you've transferred over to the panelist side. And again, we ask if you can turn on your mic and your video. Okay, Mary, it looks like your mic is on, but your video still hasn't. All right. Mary, I can see you now.

Is this okay?

Yep, I can hear you too. Can you hear us okay?

I can. Yes, I can.

Okay. And Mary, if you can keep the video on, it went off again. There you go. All right. I will leave you to the floor. You can go ahead and address the commission.

Yes. My name is Mary Julian, and I am the petitioner. I would like to place an upscale laundromat in the core district. There's about 14, well, there's over 14,000 residents, and a laundromat is considered as a basic essential. And so currently, the residence has to... They have to seek basic essential services in other districts other than the one that they not only pay taxes in, but they also reside in as well. During the pandemic, laundromats were considered as being an essential place, an essential business, and they were required to remain open compared to other restaurants or businesses that were mandated to close. So, you know, I do want to reiterate that according to the federal government, laundromats are seen as being essentials. As for the hours, I do plan on having an attendant that will be there from open until close. The hours will be from 7 a.m. and the last watch will be at 9 p.m. And once again, during the entire duration of the business, An attendant will be there in person. There will be cameras. It will be well lit. The entire front of the building will be all glass. That will help to also provide safety when you're able to see directly into the store. I would like to also have a coffee bar and provide pastries, but I do believe that a laundromat, I mean, there's 14,000 people that live in this district, and I do believe that providing a laundromat should be required as being an essential. Are there any questions for me at this time?

Is there, do you do like fluff and fold? I'm not sure what the proper term is where people bring you laundry.

Yes, I will provide wash, dry, and fold. I will also have a pick up and drop off service. Considering this here is tailored more towards seniors or families that are not immobile, I will be able to pick up dirty laundry from their front door and to drop it right back off at their front door. And I'm certain that there are individuals within the core district that can really use that service. So yes, there will be a wash, dry, and fold service.

Very good.

Anything else? No.

Then chairman on that note, if I can ask Ms. Julian, Ms. Julian, you do have a specific site identified. And of course, you know, that, you know, for, for, for the, as a planner, that consideration doesn't come in until the next step. But I know that there is a site that you are looking at under the current regulations. There are two things that would, you know, that fall for a dry cleaning establishment because you fall under the same type of census category for a dry cleaning establishment. And the first thing that we look at is, is the facility less than 5,000 square feet, and then it's permitted by right. And if it's greater than 5,000 square feet, it requires a special permit. And the conditions for the special permit is that the site has to be on 80,000 square feet. that currently applies to all dry cleaners in all of that. We only have one in place. So adding coin operated laundry into that table with the dry cleaners would then place it as, again, the facility can't be more than 5,000 square feet, the building itself, And the lot area, if it is over 5,000, the lot area has to be 80,000 square feet. The site that you're looking at, the building itself is over 5,000 square feet, but the lot is well under 80,000 square feet. So there would be this conflict in there. So part of what you would be requesting would be also to change the land area requirements to make this a viable or possible building. But then understand from our end, we now have to be cognizant that that opens it up for other lots, a similar size. I think the lot you have is about 30,000 to 35,000 square feet. in there so that brings that threshold down from 80 all the way down to 30 to 35,000 and provides that opportunity. Now, as a special permit, both the commission and the council have that opportunity that it may fit here, but it doesn't fit here. And that could be right next door, or that could be a mile away. That's one of the flexibilities of a special permit in there, but open, you know, every time we bring those thresholds down, we open the opportunities more and more along that corridor. And it's something I think, you know, the commission really needs to think about and talk about. And there are several things you can do. Again, you can always say no. uh to a petition that comes in remember you know i'm sure that that this this the the this type of business establishment has competitors out there and everybody would like to be in you know in a in a viable market like you won't this 14 000 are are not going to be just you know like once a coin operated laundry is there like no nobody else wants to go in there they kind of do like the mcdonald's burger king wendy's you know everybody sees a viable market and wants to try to get in or get a piece of the pie in that process. And then in that, we could look at other conditions or things to impose to ensure that the next user is as high end and comparable to the business that you would run here and all of that. to make sure that you don't get undercut by a competitor that just does half of what you do in there, but because we brought down the threshold or so. There are things that you can impose. I think Ms. Julian had incorporated having the security, having the attendant, having the lit facility, having the restricted hours of operation, and all those things could ensure that if somebody else were to come, that they're going to keep at a par or a level equal or better. than what Ms. Julian would be proposing. There are ways to do that in the process. The other thing to think about, and again, now kind of putting the cart ahead of the horse, the site they're looking at, is it to retrofit the building or to tear it down and redevelop? Ms. Julian? Ms. Julian?

It is going to be retro. So I do plan on reusing that existing building.

Okay. So it would be when considering something like that, so the building's already in place, there are opportunities for the city to further its, you know, to meet other goals and objectives in that process, especially through a special permit. That could be through, you know, you know, taking out all the landscaping and requiring native landscaping, improving the sidewalk as part of, you know, we did that with Mercy, you know, they're redoing the entire sidewalk on Olive in there. So, you know, there are some, I can't think of a better term, but leverages in place that can help the city get investment and get closer to that vision of creating a more pedestrian and welcoming diverse environment in the community. So, yeah. You know, there are things in terms of, you know, making adjustments and efforts for us to obtain our goals in that process. So sorry, probably more than you need to hear. But again, I think it's important to have that discussion, to take a look at that and keep that in consideration.

All right. The only thing I wanted to add was I think we need to think about parking with all this and make sure that this, if it's a smaller lot and it's one building, I mean, this is, you know, you could have cars coming in and out of this.

Yeah. And that was one of the things in the memo, you'll note, I don't have the, the, the current ordinance doesn't call out parking for a laundromat. Now it could fall under the retail, but again, that's pretty broad umbrella. And it's, you know, it depends five cars per thousand in there. But, you know, I would be interested to see what other communities, I mean, we looked at what other communities and what type of restrictions they have in place. But I didn't look at like how they did their parking, whether they called it out as a unique use or they just had it fall under personal service or retail.

And I got to say, I do think that, you know, the delivery of laundry and, you know, drop off your laundry. That's a different service that I don't know if anybody has around here. So I think that that's an interesting take on it, too, as well.

Anything else?

Can I also add as well something? that currently the building does only have one door. I do plan on placing in a second door as well. And also the parking lot does hold about 36 parking spots. And Located directly behind the building, there is another parking lot that Taco Bell owns and they are not using and they have agreed to allow me to rent that additional parking space as well from them.

Absolutely. And it wasn't really more your specific site.

It's just overall we need to think about that part of it. But thank you. And that's where it's hard to keep the two distinct. And I think Mr. Hickman brought it in. But that also presents itself as opportunities. You know, we know they're kind of looking at a site. Again, I have to look at Step Back and look at it as a corridor as a whole. But we know it is a site that, you know, been for sale for probably four or five years in there. It's not the prettiest building in the world. I've heard that from multiple people. It has two parallel sidewalks going in the same direction, and the traffic circulation is bad. And there are opportunities, and we've discussed them in the past when Mercy was here, like trying to get this coordinated, you know, coordination between Taco Bell and Mercy, and now We add another piece to the puzzle that the city can implement or facilitate some things happening as we're part of our vision in the comprehensive plan. We may not be able to do all of them or so, but those within reason and look at this as an opportunity to, doesn't matter what's within the structure, it's what does it look like and feel like when you're walking around it.

I do have concerns about the overall comprehensive plan and desired aesthetic for the downtown of Olivette. Um, as far as a freestanding building, I mean, I understand the restrictions that are currently in place with the 5,000 square feet. And I have concerns that if we start to veer off that and look at freestanding buildings, um, we're not drawing additional foot traffic. Um, we're not, um, creating connectivity. It's a drive to only in a drive out. Um, I have concerns that we go less away from the Kirkwoods and the Claytons and even where Afton is doing these days and go more towards Manchester. And I don't think that that is staying in line with the cohesive plan. I did like last time when we met, you know, the vision of it being bright and upscale and having a selling component of pastries. But I would feel better if there was some connectivity as far as a strip mall component. If you have the plant havens or something that is attached, that feels more in line to me with the vision of all of that.

Okay. I think we still need to discuss this a little bit more. I personally would like to look at the sustainability information that Carlos provided to us tonight. I would also, I personally would also, I know that Carlos you put in here some the, I can't find it now, some of the other communities, There it is, the requirements from other communities like what they're doing. And I would like to look at that corridor and see if there's other opportunities on the corridor so we're not losing or going down to that 35,000 square foot if there are other buildings available.

Okay. And we can put that together for our next meeting.

Anything else?

I've got a couple of unrelated thoughts for this, I guess, but maybe in response to some of the things that Carlos brought up. I think for me, the main negative is lack of tax revenue, and that sort of undercuts the highest and best use argument. You probably can't say that. I will say what Tim keyed in on is something that I think is great, which is the delivery service aspect to it. And if one of our goals from the comprehensive plan is people staying in their homes and staying independent and all those sorts of things, that type of service I think could make a big difference to a lot of people in our community, something that close to them. um and that's not just elderly folks but it's people with you know other other things preventing them from doing their own laundry but that we would still love to have stay in our community i love that so much i'd consider adding that to the special permit requirement to say if you're going to operate a coin operated laundry we want you to provide that service potentially I think concerns about opening the floodgates are mitigated by having the special use permits requirements in there. I think that gives us a lot of flexibility to say no in the future. You know, right now, this would be to be a new unique business in our community that probably wouldn't be the case if we add two more, right? So I think the calculation for us could be a little bit different. different if more than a couple were to come into all of that. And then my only other thought was like, Carlos mentioned that it wasn't mentioned by the community in the comprehensive plan. I get that, but I'm also wondering if it's just, this is not a flashy business like a restaurant. Like people like to talk about restaurants, right? That's sort of a fun entertainment activity. Laundry is great and all, but it's not super exciting. So just because people didn't mention it in the comprehensive plan, I don't think means that the community doesn't want it or wouldn't have any use for it.

Those are all really good points as well, Sam. Okay. So does everybody feel okay about tabling? Do we need to make a motion for that, Carlos?

No, we would just defer. Okay. The commission does have up to 120 days. I think we can get a lot ready or prepared for our August 20th meeting, and we'll have a meeting with Ms. Julian and kind of talk about what they're looking for and what some of these conditions would be. Okay. Okay. All right. Ms. Jillian, so our next meeting will be on Thursday, August 20th.

Okay. Great. Sounds good.

All right. I'm just going to change her back to an attendee. All right. All right, Chairman, I'm going back to our agenda items. That was the only action item. And there are a couple of things in there. I know you have a deadline. So we have about five more minutes real quickly. Okay. All right. So we are working in this for Mr. Hickman. We adopted our comprehensive plan a couple of years ago. One of the main items that we heard from our community was about attainable housing. So we've been discussing alternative housing types in there. But I think a more important part is to understand, you know, why is housing at the cost that it is? And there's the largest strategy. I mean, we can try to address it through land use reform. That's what through our comprehensive plan and such. But there are the construction regarding the costs. There's the financial component, things that are out of our sphere of influence, but we could try to get those adjusted and then direct assistance where there are opportunities there. So I think the best strategy for all of that to address attainable housing is to ensure that we are looking at all four components here. And there may be others in the process. We went over different things that we can do within our zoning, which we have complete control of in terms of the definition of the family, different single family zoning districts, densities, heights, mass, code enforcement, and things of that nature as we go through. And some of these are duplicates. The other thing is to make sure everybody is, you know, we always need to go back and reflect on our comprehensive plan. Our vision is to create a vibrant, unique community strengthened by its diverse population, invigorated by its opportunities for community connection and distinguished by its dynamic sense of place. We focus on community, diversability, sustainability, balanced economy, affordability. connected, build environment, space, and sense of place. So my goal is, you know, Don and my goal, and Don always gets us on this, is like, you're going to hear that in your head when you're sleeping. You know, these are our principles of trying to further our comprehensive plan vision. In there, you can continue to refer to, and we'll continue to echo them. We have community goals, encourage high quality housing, provide connected, safe and equitable transportation, ensure reliable, efficient, sustainable infrastructure, ensure high quality city services and facilities, lead economic development. That's what we were talking about earlier today. Make sure that the community is welcoming, that it is safe, that it is healthy to strengthen our environmental sustainability and promote strategic redevelopment and growth. That was what we were talking about 9 and 10 also about today. The council has adopted its own goals and values. The comprehensive plan, of course, is a plan commission document. You are the stewards of that document, but ultimately the council makes decisions and how those things are impacted and they want to be transparent. They want equity and inclusion, collaboration, diversity, fiscal responsibility, promote community, and provide service excellence, which if you go back to our goals, you'll see are echoed in the same format, maybe just worded differently because they have a different role in that process. So that kind of thing. So we went through our comprehensive plan. We issued surveys to all the commission members and took all the information to ultimately get to a schedule on how we would implement the comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan is a 20-year document or so. So it's not something that's going to get done tomorrow or next year. It's a long 20-year process. And what we did was prioritize where we wanted to focus on there. A lot of it was on housing. sustainability, the improvements to the Olive Boulevard corridor, which Chapter 428 is about, improving our business marketing, addressing a lot of the stormwater issues that we are impacted today, developing a housing plan. And so this was to help us kind of identify where we need to be focusing and what areas. We'll make sure you get a copy of this. There will be a lot to read. But I just wanted to kind of fill you in on that process. And then if there's any other questions, Chair, I'll go into the final aspect of it. Oops, sorry on that. We don't have any meeting minutes regarding reports. ACE Hardware, I believe, is open, or Ms. Doty had indicated that the lights were on yesterday. So they are open, but they won't have their ribbon cutting. I believe it's the day after Memorial Day. Labor Day, I'm sorry, I always get too confused. Yes, it will be the official ribbon cutting, but they are up and running. And their special permit will be before the city council next week for their outdoor display area in there. You have the schedule. Our next meeting, of course, is August 20th. As we get into September, we shouldn't have any conflicts with the Jewish Observance Committee. holidays um in there so i would assume september 3rd september 17th will will will be our regular meeting dates and then you have october november december again if you get a chance to take a look at your your your calendars let us know if you have any conflicts as early as you you can sometimes it happens on that same day but it helps us contact at least petitioners uh in advance if we do have a an issue or a shortage uh in there i want to appreciate uh Mr. Wallach for attending online. I know you're out of town today. So thank you in there and everybody else for being here. Be glad to answer any questions. Don, do you have anything in addition to that?

I do not.

All right. And then I will refer to our council liaison.

Thanks, Carlos. I don't have too much. This past August 4th, we had a work session, council work session, in which we covered flock technology, which is the automatic license plate reader system. And we had heard from a few constituents with concerns about that and had a great presentation by Chief Andreski, but certainly encourage any citizens who have thoughts, perspectives to submit their public feedback to the council. And it won't actually come before the council for an action item until probably January, but we wanted to kind of get ahead of some information and be well informed so that we were better prepared for, um, when it does come in front of the council for a vote. Um, and then the other piece that we discussed during our work session was the pavilion in the Indian Meadows, um, part of the Indian Meadows subdivision park. Um, and that we have now referred to the parks commission for further discussion, um, to develop a plan, um, for potential removal of the pavilion, which has been a point of contention and some concern for residents in subdivision, especially those who live nearby. live close to the pavilion. So again, if that is something that you would like to share your thoughts and perspectives on, please email the council. And the best way to do that is communications at olivetmo.com. And that's all I have.

And both Commissioner Ragsdale, Commissioner Wallach, we'll hold off on the election of officers to the August meeting. Is that okay? Yeah, that sounds good.

Oh, Carlos, I did have one other thing I forgot to mention. And that is that up at Five Oaks, we are doing an election sign recycling election. So if you have signs from the election that corrugated plastic and the metal posts, they can't be recycled in the single stream recycling. And so we have been set up at Five Oaks to collect those for this past Tuesday's election, and hopefully we will do that again in November. So great opportunity to recycle your election signs if you have them.

Okay, I believe that is the end of our meeting. We are going to go ahead and adjourn at 8.02 p.m.