Water Pollution Control Authority - Regular Meeting

Sorry. Hi, Brad. Um, I'm going to call the meeting to order. It's, uh, 7:31. Uh, in attendance is, uh, Randy. I'm just going to name first names. Randy, Corey, uh Dimmitri, uh Dennis, Brad, and then uh alternates are I'm not an alternate. She's not an um uh Mary. Uh alternate is is uh John. Thank you. Um and uh Brian and Brian and Brian where Brian and Dennis is here. Uh and um Andrea is absent. She's traveling. All right. Uh review uh the meeting has been called to order. Review of April minutes uh and June minutes. So let's take May 1. Does let's take May's first. Does anyone have any comments or uh or items that they want to address in the May minutes? Okay. Could I have a motion to approve the May minutes? I'll make a motion approve. Dimmitri made a motion and have a second. I'll second. Randy seconded. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. Any abstensions? All right. Uh unanimous uh unanimously passed uh the June uh 2025 minutes. Are there any comments or uh things that want you'd like to add to those?

Hey, not hearing any may have a motion to approve the June 2025 minutes. I'll make a motion to approve. Dimmitri made a motion to approve. Seconded. Randy seconded. Uh, all in favor say I. I. All opposed. No. No oppositions. Um, so that passes unanimously. Also, okay, I'll take over for Andrea since she's uh gone. Uh, it's pretty easy. Uh there have been no changes to uh the budget or expenses since last last month. Are there any questions on that? Okay. Uh chairman's report CSA update. Uh I've gotten comments from uh uh Old Line. Uh I've made my comments uh and Olime Shores, Old Colony are working on on theirs. they are going to uh get an attorney to review the document um as there were extensive changes to it and they just want to make sure that uh their interests are protected. So, it's going to take a little longer than I thought. I wanted the all the comments back by this uh before uh July 3rd. Um but I did not get them. So, uh that's about it. I still expect that the CSA will certainly be completed and signed prior to uh referendum. Sewer project status. Uh the deep authorized Miami Beach to play put out their project to bid last

week. Um they're in the process of doing that now. Um Olive Shores, I haven't been able to get a status. Jay is traveling uh out of country and um on vacation and I'm not going to buck him while he's away. So all I'm sure is uh was in the same position as as Miami Beach as far as being at deep for approval. Um I haven't received anything from deep saying that they were approved. Well, um it still may be a deep um referendum status. So, we are going to referendum. Uh there have been changes to the to the timeline uh because of because the town can't do it when when requested, I guess. Um so, the new timeline is Uh it looks like the board of selectmen will vote at the August 19th meeting and I'm sorry, the August 18th meeting and uh the board of finance will will weigh in on August 19th. Um on August 18th at 6:30 they'll in the Lime Oline High School auditorium there'll be a uh public meeting forformational session on the Sound View sewer project. On September 2nd, 6:30 p.m. Lime Lime High School Auditorium, there'll be a town meeting to move the Sound View Sewer Project request for additional funding to referendum. On September 9th, 12:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m., Lime Lime Middle School Gymnasium will hold the town referendum for voting. Uh, those are the dates. Um,

I'm working on a presentation I will send to every member this month prior to August meeting. You can review and comment at the August meeting. Um, that's that's it for the referendum. And then I guess there was anformational meeting. So I will have anformational meeting. Uh it'll be PowerPoint. I'll send it to everyone. They can review it uh between when I send it in the meeting. I'll try to have it completed in the next week or two. Um, it's only uh I I'm not I'm really not going to get into uh I'm not going to get into the history of the sewers in this meeting. If you don't know the history of the sewers by now, um I don't know what to say. It's going to be more directed on why we should go out to referendum and request another $7.6 million and uh how it would affect the town. Um, so you expect by August 16th when you have a scope of meeting you'll have all the financial information that you need. I have all the financial information. So you don't need the information from Old Shores or Miami Beach. No, because that doesn't change the percentage of what some viewers would be paying. Correct. I don't I don't

What? They're doing an internal project. Miami Beach internal. Well, I'm sure it's internal. How does it affect our internal project or the shared project? Well, we we are in fact 29.7 with all four entities involved. one entity drops out and we then become 36% or 37%. That would increase our cost in regard to the share. That's that's true. But then we would be over referendum and we wouldn't be able to do the project. Pardon me. We would be over referendum amount and we wouldn't be able to do the project. We would not. Right. Right. So I would Okay. I mean, I'll take it up, but I would think I can't control present at the public meeting all of the financial information. I am I am presenting all of the financial information that would affect old line citizens. Yes, if if Miami Beach and old lime shores drops out, the numbers change. But that's not that's not a consideration at this point. Mary, I would I would beg to differ. Well, you can beg to differ all you want. They're they are they Miami Beach is going back out to bid. I know. Okay. So, why do you think that they're going to drop out? I don't I don't know that. I don't know if they are. I don't know if they're not. I don't know what their bids are going to come in to be. I don't know. I don't know what I'm Shores bids will come in to be. Neither do I, but it doesn't affect the calculations for all line citizens. Okay. I guess I I again respectfully disagree with that. If we are 29.7 of

the shared and one of the four drop out, obviously we're going to be more than 29.7 of the shared, that will affect our numbers. I don't I don't think that number one I don't think the D is going to let them drop out as you say. Um they're under a consent order to put sewers in to do something. Yes. No, they're under consent order to put the sewers in. Here to argue with you, Steve. I'm just expressing my opinion. Okay. Well, thank you for your opinion. Thank you. Let's move on. So we have Oline has all the financial information that's required to present for the referendum. Uh we would be capped out at $17.1 million of spending authority if we we can't go over that amount. So if someone dropped out, our our percent goes up and we'd either have to go back out to referendum or the project becomes unviable. I don't I don't know what to say. No one has indicated that any entity is backing out and not bidding. So I assume they're all going to bid and they're all going to get responsive bid biders and whatever those numbers are in those internal projects won't affect our costs. I have a question. Sure. Um, as far as um, forgivable loan, why are we 25% when we are 29.7? We're 29.7%. At least every everything that I've seen is 25%. Right? So the way the forgivable loan works is that the DP is going to

disperse the forgivable loan based on the percentages in the CSA. We are 29.7%. As a matter of fact, that the portion of the forgivable loan is rolled into our internal infrastructure at the end. Five loans become four. the the the percentages of the shared infrastructure are rolled in the of of the of the amount being financed if it's would be rolled into 29.7 for us 20 I don't know the other percentage 29% for us I don't what's I don't know what old colony I don't know the other ones because I'm not really concerned about them they all add up to 100%. So, if $10 million uh was was financed, we would owe $2.97 million of that and that would be rolled into our internal infrastructure loan. So, there is no shared infrastructure loan at the end. Well, I would suggest that that any information that OCB comes out with should really show those percentages on their clean water funds because their club um uh showing 25% for everybody for the four entities. So, all right. I'll I'll I'll make you want to talk I I'll talk to him because I I know how the contract the D contract is written and it's 29. It's the percent. It doesn't say anything. It says it's going to be rolled in as the percent of what's written in the CSA. Okay. So, it's 29.7% for us. So, may I ask since it's past June 30th, has everybody agreed in writing to extend the current bids, receive bids? I believe so. There you have that in writing. There's

no I have hours I Mary, I have hours in writing and in the shared infrastructures. I don't have I don't I'm not concerned with old Colony Beach. Okay. I understand that you're not concerned with county, but the three parts of the infrastructure, those three contracts have been extended without increase. Those those three contracts have been extended with an inflationary clause. And what is that? It's it goes off of what the price of of materials is on whenever the bid date closed because that's when to to October 15th. Okay. So, we don't know what that is for now. I know that it's minimal. Okay. And you're going to put that into your chart. You're going to calculate that. I'm not going to do that because there is uh close to a million I think a million or million $1.4 million or $1.8 million worth of contingency. And this is a an extremely small portion of what it could be. It's not on the whole contract. It's only on materials. So, they would have to approve that out of the the materials that they were going to purchase the percent that they went up and they would get that. And that's all been signed and delivered to Woodward and Curran. We are not handling the shared infrastructure. Woodward and Curran is not the engineer for the shared infrastructure to Fuss and O'Neal. Excuse me. I I believe it's all been signed and delivered to Fuss O'Neal. I get a letter from Professor Neil saying that this is this every contractor has agreed to to go forward, some with inflationary clauses, some without. Um, so unless they're lying. No, no, I'm just asking because last month you said the pump station was quote up in the air. As far as I know, that's now been agreed to. It's been resolved.

It's been resolved and the low bidder is still going to to do the pump station. Is that correct? Yeah, I believe that's uh yes, Rain Maker. I think Rain Maker was second. He was not the low bidder. Um it uh the mechanical place in Middletown. Oh, yeah. Turner. Turn. No, not Turner. It wasn't begins with T. Anyway, it wasn't it was not Rain Maker. There only two bids on the forest man. Rain Maker was the second high was the higher bid. So it was a question last month if it's if that So I will I will uh send an email to Kurt Mailman who is uh my contact us at O'Neal and I will ask uh for updated numbers before I give the president before you guys see it again. You're welcome. very looked up. Is there any other expenses carried over from prior times that we will be charged at View and Area B50 is carrying for us? Yes. Yes. Do we know what that is? Yes, it's it's Have you looked at my worksheet? I have looked at all your worksheets. Yes. Because it's right in there. This worksheet? Let me see it. It has a lot of writing on it. It says contingency is 5% not it says contingency 427 uh engineering services uh design stage. How about look how about looking at the shared infrastructure portion of that? Okay. What do you see there? Uh I see forest main and bioside 9893. shared trunk. These are the bids, the

actual bids. Yeah. What else do you see? I see a pump station. Uh 5% contingency versus I think it's usually it's 10 or 20. No, it's not. Um I see a design and contract administration. Design and contract. Yes. That's what is that is that that's what So I'm looking at No. No. All right. Shared infrastructure. You have you have your your hard costs up above which are which are bids 5% contingency almost a million dollars. That's just for change orders that may come up. Highly unlikely that we're going to have million dollars in change orders. Design and contract administration. that is uh that is the number and I think that's gone up. I think it's I I think that number has gone up. So I will ask but I think that is what it cost to design and then administer the contract. Is that O'Neal? That is Fen O'Neal O'Neal. That's that would be analogous to our uh our well we we broke it out design stage and engineering services. All right that 1.6 6 million. I don't know what part of that was is engineering and what part is design, but that's that's what that is that EDSC the breakdown. It's design versus services during construction. Correct. Yeah. I just don't know what they are. I was given a number. No, I just So, yes, we'll be responsible for 29 really

29.7% of half that number or some portion. Yeah. Um, and then what is owed to I know Okaloney took out like a $4 million bond. What part of that do we owe? None as far as I know. 40 million I guess they took out. They authorized, I believe they authorized $40 million of borrow of which will finance their uh internal sewer and the shared sewer project. So, we don't owe anything to Colony at this point. Uh, well, I would imagine that we owe 29.7% of whatever the design costs were on on the shared infrastructure. Design, legal, I would say design. We've paid We've paid legal. We've paid everything but the design. We're a full voting member of the CSA. We We paid them in two payments. One, I think, was $60,000. One was around 50 that this board uh approved last year. they were paid um and those were 29 those represented 29.7% of all the other costs not reimburseable by CWF. So we don't the only thing we owe to old colony you're saying regardless of whatever else they spent on label or obtaining a lot I'm saying we've paid legal pardon we've paid the legal so we don't owe anything else to old colony not that I'm aware are you aware of other numbers that I'm not I'm asking you Steve you're Mary I'm asking you a question it's a valid question are you aware of outstanding uh monies that we owe old colony that I am not. No, I understand they took out a $40 million bond. Okay. We're 29.7. There should be No, it's not. It's not.

We don't owe 29.7% of 40 million. It's only of the shared infrastructure. I understand that. Okay. I understand that. But of that, part of that 40 million must have been used toward the shared infrastructure. No. So, okay. So this is the way CWF funding works. They are bonded. They took they they didn't borrow. They don't have a 40,000 $40 million bank account. They don't have any money. CWF funds the the work as it goes. So Fusset O'Neal does design work. Old Colony fills out the requisition or Fusset O'Neal fills out the requisition. Old Colony approves it. sends it up to DP. D gives Old Colony a check to pay uh uh Fuss O'Neal for design services. All right. What the bond is in in this town and in each of the other beach associations is really an authorization to spend. Thank you. It has nothing to do with with floating debt around. the the clean water fund is the one that floats the debt and carries the risk, I guess, because they're giving the money out. There's no money. There's this is not and then and then we pay 2% which replenishes the fund and allows them to to to loan the money again. Right. I I guess I'm just concerned because I keep hearing in the PBAs about how much interest has accured already on the loans that they've had to take out and are we responsible for part of that? We're responsible for for acred interest, I would assume. But you you say it's 40 million. Is it exactly 40 million?

I don't know. Right. So Mary Mary, yes, interest has accured, but but the amount that's been spent so far is not 40 million. It It's not even close. I'm just asking if it's all reflected in your numbers. If it is, that's great. That's these are the last numbers I had. If if I made a mistake, um then I will I will certainly make sure that the numbers are correct and hold a special meeting to get more money for referendum. But I don't believe I've made any mistakes any I believe there probably are inaccuracies in these numbers but I do not believe they they they amount to.5% 5% half a percent of anything in here. It's it's impossible for I mean I would have to have a formula in here to track well I'd have to know exactly how much was borrowed. um and then have a formula to track how much is acred interest so that this thing is correct all the time. Um it's 2% a year on on $4 million. I don't and 29.7% of that. It's not we're not talking uh anything substantial that would affect uh our numbers. our numbers. By the way, we carry uh we're carrying $427,000 for our internal infrastructure. Um which is which is a lot of money considering what is the possibility of the type of change orders you can get down there. There's nothing in the ground. Um, it's not like going into uh Hartford and trying to dig around gas pipe and water pipe and pipe

that isn't marked or anything else. Whatever is down there, we know it's indicated on the plans. Um, I don't I don't I think 5% is is a very very safe number. But if if you are aware of any outstanding numbers that I have not accounted for, I think it's uh your duty. Hey Judy, to tell me I just assume that since Colony is handling all the funds for the shared infrastructure, there would be a monthly spreadsheet on what's been spent, what's been owed, what's been received. You don't see that as a member now as a paid member of the alliance or whatever you call them now. Do you see that? Do you get that spreadsheet? I I don't even have a spread. No, I have not seen that. Would what would you that that is something that we we are working towards. All right. Okay, let's move on. I guess we don't have a signed CSA agreement. I know. So, you paid membership into the alliance, right? Right. We have paid membership into the alliance. So as a member of the alliance, you would be eligible to receive information from the alliance and what's been spent by It hasn't it hasn't been it has not been a lack of well I I will say that Frank hasn't sent me the bank statements that I requested, but it hasn't been for lack of of Frank withholding information. I haven't asked him for it.

All right. I it hasn't been a high priority of mine. Uh I know the numbers. I got the numbers from Frank. I mean those numbers came from Frank. Uh but uh I will ask for for uh an accounting of of the shared infrastructure portion. Um a more detailed I should say. The numbers came from Frank Noey that I used in my document. So I don't know $4 million that could be true. I don't know how much they spent on design services and engineering service on the internal infrastructure. Are you talking about the 4.1 by 2022 for or 4.1 today? I'm not I don't know what you're I don't even know what you're referring to. You said Frank said they they've incurred $4 million in costs. No, Rich said that. No. Okay. So, I'm I'm going to settle that right now. Also, Rich Pendagast, I believe, I'm not rich, so I can't speak for him, but what Rich was saying in an article that said there had been $4.1 million spent or or $4 million spent on this project was referring to all of it, right? Our cost, Miami Beach cost, Olime Shaw's cost, and Old Colonies cost, and the shared infrastructure cost. Absolutely. Okay. So, so we're Oline Shores in Miami Beach Colony had design and engineering costs. Okay. I don't know how much they were, but if if it were 4.1 million then and and you took 25% of 4 million for each of those entities, then Old Colony or 20% we we they spent around a million dollars for the shared infrastructure.

I guess that's what we need to see is that kind of accountability. What said was they spent 4.1 million and that it will be proportionately rolled into the final loan amounts that each of the four entities will borrow for their own sewer construction costs. But I don't see that in your in these numbers. Um, so I I you know I don't know. Well, I don't know if we really spent 4.1 million because nobody seems to have an accounting of it. I don't know. I'm just reading what I'm reading in the paper. I don't have the privilege information. I don't Mary I don't I I've explained to what what the I will get the information for the shared infrastructure. That's it. Okay. I don't care about Miami Beach, Oline Shores, Oral Collins. I'll find out how much the shared infrastructure has spent. I believe it's 16 1.6 million. It may have gone up a little, but at the time that I got the numbers, it was $1.6 million. And that's reflected in in this that's reflected in that sheet. Design and engineering services. Oh, I thought that would it says design and contract administration. Design and contract administration. Yeah. And I thought that was payable to Fen O'Neal, right? Or no, not to Old Colony for other expenses that they had. This is just going to fuss and O'Neal. Those are the costs that Old Colony will have to pay Fusset O'Neal for the shared design and engineering services. We will have to reimburse Old Colony 29.7% of that number. Do you understand that? It'd be great to see the spreadsheet. Thank you for trying to get it. I appreciate it.

Do you have any reservations of putting this project to one man in one uh organization? What happens to him if he dies? And I don't to him every I don't understand the question. We don't we do not send a check to old colony ever. We will never send a check to Old Colony for this project. I thought it was on usage. We We have to. No. Nope. It won't be okay. I think we need to read the read the um New London agreement again. Okay. Read it. We'll read it. We'll go back and read that. Yeah. the the New London agreement was was specifically there's a statement in there specifically for planning ahead that we put in this time around that says O colony or or another entity it can be transferable by the time the project is done we will have a an entity and a maintenance and operations agreement that that entity will will administer the whole project the whole system right shall I say so it won't go to Old Colony. It'll go paid someone who's paid a town employee. No, it may not be a town employee. It may be someone that before WPCA's hired to do that work. It doesn't have to be a town employee. Are there any other questions? So I don't have a problem by the way of of Frank Noey or old Colony uh administering the contract. Uh you know there's there's it's not it number one

the way it works again is the engineer certifies the work has been done. Certifies the requisition is correct. Gives it to the WPCA. The WPCA votes yes we'll pay it. No, we won't. Once it's voted yes, it goes up to the state D for review. It could get bounced back because of a mistake. Usually, they don't make mistakes. It the if it's, let's say, $10 million uh requisition, the D will write us a check for 10 well Colony a check for 10 million uh $10 million to pay the contractors. they will debit the account $5 million because 50% is forgiven basically grant and forgiven. Um and at the end whatever that account says we owe it's broken out 29.7% or based on the percentages and rolled into our individual uh loan values. Okay. All right. So we don't pay colony anything. I just have a a terrible thought. And I've seen his bookkeeping. And you're talking sixth grade math. We're talking millions. This is this is something that's never been tried in this town. I I'd like to stop you there because this is a public meeting. uh the DEP feels as though the individual we're talking about is capable of doing this or else they wouldn't have loaned the the group. Now Colony is responsible for the $14 million. They're responsible for it. We didn't sign though

Doug thinks that we signed that document as a co-signator, but I know we haven't. I know I have it and I don't think the town has. So I don't know why he thinks that. Okay. Um but you know on any given month on a $20 million project that's going to last 16 months or 20 months. Let's say it's going to last 20 months. It's a million dollars a month that's requisitioned on average. um if the contractor doesn't get paid in July for June, there's no more work being done. It stops there. So there is a a definite uh risk uh avoidance by the parties involved that even if someone were to think about taking the money, there's only they can't get $20 million. they can only get what's requisitioned. And I don't know if I I just don't see uh any I mean it's I've seen that happen. I mean an engineering firm actually uh once had a guy embezzle $6 million and leave the country. Um but uh I don't see that happening. There's a lot of checks and balances involved in this. What's next? New business. Oh, no. Uh, well, I guess new business. It's the sewer ordinance. Um, what did I do with the sewer ordinance? Um, the sewer Oh, the sew ordinance has been uh sent to uh our town attorney for markup. Uh, everyone was sent the sew ordinance. It's been reviewed by the

public. Had a author. It's Was it reviewed by the public in 2022 or when 2022? Whenever it was 20 I don't think it was 2022. I think it was 2020. Whenever Frank Chan was here. No, Frank Chan wasn't here for the No, it was in April 2022. Great. It was April 2022 that was reviewed by the public. It's been sent. Uh I don't know why we just didn't pass it then. I mean, it seemed to me it was done. We had a couple of comments to incorporate and we would have we would have gone out. Uh that's where we're at now. Uh the attorney's making changes to to the document and I plan on getting it up on a town meeting to be passed. So I think the ordinance has had some changes made to it since 2022. Correct. And so has the Yeah. Yes. Well, after after public comment, after public comment, after those comments were incorporated, nothing's been done to it. Such a headache. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're telling me. Oh, yes. Yeah. Right. So, I have some concerns about the ordinance, if I may, or if it's too late, we can't change it because it's already in the hands of the attorney. I I would I would like Did you get it? Yes, I got it because you sent it last month and so I read it when you sent it. You didn't comment on it before it was going to the attorney. When what? I thought we were going to talk about it. It's on the agenda for tonight. Okay. So, I thought it was open for discussion for tonight as an agenda item, but if not, that's fine. It's on there. I'd like to hear your comments. Okay, great. Um Okay. Unfortunately, I don't have a printer, so I couldn't print off the whole ordinance, but I will tell you what some of the comments if you don't mind. Sure. Okay. When you first start off, you do you define you identify you say this is a

town ordinance, right? And in that town ordinance, you're designating a sewer district. In the footnote, it stipulates a a sewer district and it stipulates that Sound View area B and Hawkness are part of that sewer district. That part alone is a little bit confusing to me if it's a town ordinance, but it's directed to a sewer district. And I'll tell you why. Because in a district like a fire district, if uh Rob was here, only the people in the district get to vote on items, financials, etc. decisions on that district just like the PBAs. So if we are a district, if you make us a district in this document, in this ordinance, we're the only ones who get to vote. Yeah. It's a town ordinance. Y um I've asked uh the attorney, that's one of the things that I've asked him to look into. Thank you. If it's a town ordinance, does it take precedence over every WPCA now? You know, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that, but that's what he's been basically assigned by me is determining the applicability to uh wherever. If it's a town ordinance, all the town's people get to vote on it. Okay, great. So, that was my second question. Have you asked an attorney's opinion on that? And would it then if it is a town ordinance versus just a sorry, a district, then does it apply to the PBAs as well? Because you're building something jointly with the PBAs. If you're if you're building an ordinance, trying to get an ordinance passed to protect that something that you're building, it should encompass all the users of that system, not just a select few. I I think it should be a townwide ordinance that's applicable to to everyone. Um, I mean, the ordinance can spell out

sewer districts and not and not have uh and and not be in and still have the whole town vote on it. Um, but the reason that's the reason that's in there is because we are still a sewer avoidance town. We're su we are a sewer avoidance town. We did not purposely go out set about to to sewer Sound View. If you want to know the history, Bonnie Ree was the one that asked the DP to come in to get us to go there. That's where it began. Bonnie ran on getting sewers in Sound View and she won and so she fulfilled her her uh uh obligation to the voters of Sound View. So, back to the ordinance, I have to say that the definition in the ordinance of a of a ladder is a little bit confusing. And I think that what I know I understand what you're trying to say, but it's confusing. And we've talked about this last month. And I think in the ordinance, you should separate the two like just call it a pipe. the pipe from the the house to the to the curb versus the lateral from the house to the curb and the lateral which is part of the system which is in the road connected to the main course main or wherever it's connected. I don't think you should use those two interchangeably. It's too confusing. They're not used interchangeably. Yeah. And if you read it, it kind of to me it's confusing. Okay. Okay. you I want to say about it. First of all, the town is responsible for the law and state trust the town. We cannot have some of you be responsible for the law. So all people in the town should be participating. They trust only the town. Mhm.

So this is the this is the the situation we have today. You cannot get only people voting on the money state will give us and have voters only people who are going to have the why the town is responsible. Yeah. I don't I'm not a lawyer. I can't tell you the definition of a district and the responsibilities. It's a responsibility. Mhm. Here is responsibility. So the trust only the town. So Mary, the definition of a lateral is from the house to the street. That's the definition of a lateral to the street to to the to the main in the street to the main to the main. That's the definition of a lateral. What we've defined there is correct. It's a lateral. Now we're responsible to fix it from the property line to the main because we consider that town property. from the property line to the house is the owner's responsibility. I understand that. Okay. So, it's all one lateral though. Okay. I just think it would have been clearer to have it two different terms, but we we did have it two different terms and and we changed it after public comment. I think it was called a house stream if I'm not mistaken. in the next section of the ordinance. I mean, it's just it's a universal term in in sewer systems to refer to the lateral as the the line from the house to the main and the the division is, you know, it it is clear in almost I mean it is at the MDC. It it is everywhere I've ever worked except at Miltown. It's two separate pipes though, right? Like I have one pipe going to the curb, which is my pipe. No, it's one pipe. It's all one pipe. Okay. You own You own from the curb to the house, right? But from the curb to the house,

right? I have one pipe. I hire my installer to come put one pipe in from my house. You have to hook into the one that's already sitting there that was installed by I have my guy come install one pipe in my basement to the curb. Yep. That's my pipe. Yep. And the lateral is connected to the main and whoever wins the bid for the for the main will put that lateral in. The lateral exists already. Is what? The lateral exists. It goes from the main to wherever you pick on your property and then you know where it is. It's marked with a stake and then your contractor comes and hooks up to that. So, the guy who wins the bid puts the lateral in and my guy puts a pipe in from my house to the curb. No, the the the guy that wins the bid puts the lateral from the main to your property line to my property line. And then and then whoever you hire puts in the lateral the rest of the way, right? A separate pipe? No, same type. No, it's just a pipe. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't know what you mean by separate pipe. Yes, you're going to have to buy the pipe. Yeah. And it's going to be separated from this until until he excavates it and sticks it into the blet. Right. Right. But it's a joint. It's just a joint. It's not a separate pipe. It's two pieces joined together. Also got it. This should be done by license plum. It cannot be any guy. Oh, no. I understand that. I I know it can't be any. I connected on the woods. I got permits for every house. I I totally understand what you're saying. Okay. This should be proper pipe. It's not any pipe. It should be proper. It'll get inspected. I mean, of course, everything's going to get inspected. Okay. The next part at the reasonable discretion of the town of Lime WPCA

shall require any such house or building be connected to the WPCA sewer system, sewage system. that to me it's a little bit vague to say at the reasonable discretion of the town of WPCA either we all have to connect or we don't no because later on in this eventually issues do say everyone has to connect so to me it's a little vague at the reasonable discretion of the town of old WPCA well that's that's we're going to keep well uh we as a group decided to keep that language in 2022. Yes, in 2022. You know, some things have changed since 2022. By the way, some decisions you have made along the way, especially in regard to, you know, if you have two houses right now that have one septic, one pipe, that's one lateral. That's a decision that was made somewhere. I mean, I could go through the notes and find it for you if you like. It's it's one lateral, but we wanted two. It's one lateral because the state law which I believe Demetri brought in said that they can hook up as code. Yeah. So some things have changed since 2022 since but not that not that if you don't have an exception to to that rule. Um there's no there's nothing in the ordinance that allows a deviation from it. Well, the I thought that the WPCA had voted to abide by the plumbing code that allowed No, I'm talking about upon reasonable discretion of the WPCA that allows us to make exceptions. If it's not there, we won't be able to make any discre uh uh exceptions such as a reasonable discussion engineered system that's already in perhaps something like that. I'm not

even talking about the number of pipes. You're saying here that you can decide if my house has to be connected and the house next to me doesn't have to be connected. I don't think that's correct. WPCA has the expertise to make those kind of decisions and it should I mean it seems subjective to me. All right. Well, duly noted. I I don't I don't I mean I'm not going to bring that up for a vote if that's what you're asking. Actually, I don't see any reason to allow somebody not to be connected. Well, there's a lot of issues that go into that. to meet you. I would I wouldn't say I wouldn't have in my mind what issue could be that we will say okay your house couldn't be should be what if what if someone has a conforming lot for the health department a conforming lot and they just spent $60,000 now the only thing they're not going to pay is the connection fee they'll still have to pay the assessment but they won't pay the connection fee I used to have a house on this time that I got my my lot was much below the street. Mhm. And uh engineering didn't provide my lot on on a drawing. So when it came to point to connect it, I was on a cult. They started on a cult too high and I got to have a home. I went to court and court allowed me not to be connected but I paid the fees. I understand that. Right. This is what happened. I know in Newington streets away from my house. It's got city water from MDC

not connected to the sewer. So I mean this and this is an established you know 20 maybe 30 year development whether whether they've connected or not is is not does the sewer go by the y right in front of the garage. As a matter of fact they just realigned them. So they so they they the homeowners chosen not to connect but they still have to pay the assessment. Okay. They only don't pay us users fee. They don't pay the user fee and they don't pay the connection fee whatever the connection fee which is quite significant and they have to pump septic every five years. Yes. But that's peanuts compared to the connection fees. Really connection fees. Well, yeah. It it's it's peanuts to the connection fees until your septic system fails. Then the connection fee is much less. But then you connect. So that may be five years, 10 years. All all I'm saying is is that they can choose not to and and all all the all the revenue that we were expecting is going to be reduced by whatever we determine the connection fee to be. They still have to pay the assessment. I just would like to explain one thing. The main problem why we need so the main problem is the ground water is too high. Period. So there is no house that could comply with groundwater compli compliance. We have groundwater that septic sitting in the groundwater. So this is the main problem we have. So I cannot imagine engineering system engineering system could have so much problems after all and expenses during

the usage like in Providence. I we I was uh on a meeting of the all states meeting in Providence and we went to Providence uh houses where they got so much equipment. They got filters above the ground. They got UV pumps in the ground. They got $3,000 expense in a year to service those systems. So yeah, if you have system on your house like that, first of all, it's not going to be allowed in no one because we have a sewer coming. Well, it's allowed until it breaks. Nobody will have right to put it. So I don't say we have to just think about allowing somebody not to have connection to the sword. I don't think he's going to have So, may I continue or Yes, please. Okay. In 4.5 of the ordinance says a separate and independent building sewer lateral shall be provided for every building on a building lot. We said we weren't going to do that. We said that one we and and reflected in the edu calculations. We look at the property as one whether it has two apartments in one building or two small buildings on one lot that shared currently share one septic system. We were going to look at what section is that in Mary? Pardon? What section? 4.5 4.15 4.5 says a separate and independent building sewer lateral shall be provided every

building on a building lot except otherwise approved by the old WPCA. Okay. And I'm saying no. We already said we were going to follow the building code that allowed two buildings to share one pipe that was established by this WPCA. We're going to keep that. There was there was a reason for that and I can explain that. Okay. We we want to avoid people putting two homes up, two full independent homes. They can't do it. They can't do it to begin with. You you don't know that. We do. Yeah. You have the ordinance that says you have clean water funds that say you can't further develop the the property. Yeah. I don't actually know unless you go up. I don't footprint you can go up. I don't Well, it doesn't say that, but I don't actually know how that's enforced. So, generally what happens in a in after this is installed, you'll see people purchase one, two, maybe even three homes, tear them down, and put up one large home on that land. Um, it's it's funny if you look at especially beach type properties when the homes are small, they become much more desirable with a sewer going through to where someone could tear them down and build a larger home. Um, d population density generally decreases after a sewer is installed in that type of environment, not increases. If you go just the opposite if you go well it can't get any more denser than it is. I don't think you can do it anyway in

this town which is so I will I will take a look at that. I mean it it does say unless it's at the discretion of the WPCAP. So again at the discretion of the WPCA which you know what qualifies I I guess I would question qualifications there. Um the you know if you did keep this for instance we looked at the the design. Excuse me. I'm just saying if you have a whole lot more questions it would be I think a good idea to just submit them in writing. Well she I have a few. I'm almost done. She's and and she I think that she wants everyone to hear the questions. Y that's fine. I'm just I'm just trying to help her get an answer, you know. Thank you. I'm getting there. Thank you. So, and again, like you know, like when we looked at the drawings, we didn't see multiple laterals on any property except one, which was uh Leroy Clarks, which we kind of question that because we don't think this workshop actually has water, but we didn't see any double or laterals on the design. So, that would be all the uh additional work orders there on 48. And I am getting to the end of this by the way. Whenever possible, the building sewer lateral shall be brought to the building at an elevation below the basement floor. If all buildings in which any building drain is too low to permit gravity flow, which I thought we were, to the public sewer, sanitary sewage carriage by by such building drain shall be lifted by an approved means of discharge, meaning a grinder pump because I thought we got rid of this. No, it's not grinder pump. Well, it would be it's a pump to to lift the sewer out from the house. It's a grump to reach the gravity. It's a grinder pump. It's a grinder pump. But we eliminated grinder pumps by sharing.

Correct. So, this is redundant and not necessary. Well, no. No. I'm confused. I I know you. So, so I don't know why we wouldn't keep it in there. It's not applicable to this system. It's not applicable to this system. I don't know about if if this is a town my own point of woods has grinder pumps. Yes, they do. Um I don't know whether Miami Beach or or any of the others will have grinder pumps, but Point of Woods definitely has grinder pumps. And so the it it's it the ordinance isn't written for this particular project. The ordinance is written because we will have sewers in the town. Oh, okay. I thought it was written for sound view area B in in um in Hawk Nest. Yeah. Well, no, it it describes those as sewer districts, but it doesn't it's it's a town ordinance. It's for the whole town. What if what if another section of town wants sewers? Want Oh, okay. Well, I mean, if if if Hall's Road passed and a developer wanted to put 1,600 units there, I don't think he's going to do that with the septic system. So, he would want sewers. He may pay for the sewers, but he would want them. Okay. Thanks for clarifying. And the ordinance also talks about the wells. No water supply wells shall be allowed within 25 ft of a sewer. And we we talked about this at length before is the uh the cost to insulate those existing wells built into the cost of the project because I know at one point the WPCA said they were going to pay for that expense out of the project cost,

not make it the homeowner's expense. Is that incorporated in these? As a matter of fact, um the the health department and DP have agreed to eliminate the doublewalled pipe that was required, saving Miami Beach probably $2 million. Um us maybe $400,000. Okay. And using a uh Fernco over the bell and attached to the spigot end to seal that joint. So yes, it is. So you know where those wells are. You've identified all those wells and what needs figures. Five. I think there's quite a few more, but Okay. All right. Well, there's I know there's no more than nine. You know, there's no more than that within 25 ft of our And then the last part of getting to the end of here, only the do old line WPCA and other duly authorized employees or agents of old line may perform maintenance or corrective actions to the sewage. I was just asking who as a volunteer on the WPCA is qualified or licensed to perform that kind of work and will they be paid for it? Is there a contingency for that? How is that going to be managed? Um and then the fine I'm going to try to move quickly for you if you don't mind. the fine stipulating in one place it says if you don't comply it's 250 up to 250 per day another place it says it's 250 per day it is either 250 per day or up to 250 but somewhere you have to make that correction why and yes that's what it because it's it contradicts itself in the in this ordinance how does it contradict itself if you say it's up to 250 and in another statement you say it is 250 what if are are you talking about I mean we're we're allowed to fine for

different reasons. So doesn't say that. It just says a fine. How do how do you get to the fine? Okay. Each violation of this ordinance shall be a separate municipal offense each day. Any violation of the ordinance continues shall constitute a separate offense. Each separate offense under each, excuse me, each separate offense under this chapter shall be punishable by a fine of $250 payable to the town of Ovime where I would say it wouldn't be. It would be payable to the sewer project to the WPCA in a special fund for repairs or whatever and not to the town general, you know, deposits. And I would also say and then earlier it says up to 250. I'm just saying just clarify, is it up to 250? Is this also discretionary? Why can't Why can't Why can't the WPCA on a minor infraction find someone $25 a day? I think it's just being not being clear. It's being saying that I'm going to find you 25. I'm going to find you 50. I'm going to, you know, I I think you have to be, you know, put a stake in the ground and say this is what it is. Because if you find me this and you find him something else, I'm going to have a problem with it. I would have a problem if I had the same offense and I was fined differently, but I don't know if all fines are worth $250. I'm just bringing it to your attention, okay? That that's how it's worded in and I believe we questioned the check being payable to the town of old line and I think it has something to do with legal. Okay. And the lastly, I don't think that the fine should be 250 per day for every day. I mean, there's a lot of things in in your ordinance that say this has to be inspected by the WPCA. I don't know who in the WPCA. And if we're all volunteers, I'm not sure that there will be somebody there to go there that day and inspect it. And that homeowner

shouldn't have to pay a fine because they're delayed waiting for a volunteer to come and inspect something for them. I don't believe anyone on the WPCA is inspecting anything. I think a representative hired by the WPCA, but that's what this says, will will do that. I'll have to I'll have to look. So, okay. So, Mary, I'll have to review to see if we can assign the WPCA responsibility to a third party. I believe it's got to be in there somewhere, but if it's not, that's a good point. That's it. That's all I have for today. Thank you. Are there any other comments on the ordinance? Is the is the 2022 ordinance still on um on the website the first veneration which are none. Uh I would say that the the ordinance that is on the website is probably the one prior to public comment. So, it doesn't have public comment incorporated in it. Okay. I think that's right. I think that's right. I looked at because I I remember the lateral thing coming up on on that one. Yeah. Um Erica, I'd like to send you a copy of this so that you can include it in the minutes. Okay. You can just email it over to me um tonight or tomorrow morning would be great. I will. Thank you. I'll do that. agenda. I'm looking for my correspondence agenda again. Yeah.

All right. Um, all right. So, we'll go to correspondence, which I haven't received any real correspondence from that that I have to share with the public. So, um, we'll go to public comment. Does anyone have public comment? Yeah, this is uh Bill Randazzo. I do have a public comment. Okay, Bill, please. Where do you live, Bill? Pardon me. Where do you live? Your address. My propert My property's on Harford Avenue. I actually live in Weathersfield. And okay, let me just let me just start this conversation off by saying I had chance to read some articles like I don't know, Connecticut Examiner and different things. And I think Mary wrote one and the first selectman had some stuff in there and I agree with them wholeheartedly. And after listening to Mary tonight ask questions, I'm very very impressed with her and her knowledge and her concern about what's happening down there. Now, I guess starting from the com comments are great. They're great. I'm gonna give you what I feel and and tell you how I feel, but we can't have a discussion about it because that's part of your Robert's rules, I guess, that you guys implemented. But what I'd like to see in the future is if we're if we're going to do comments, I think it's important that when you guys start off your next meeting, then if we're not going to have um a discussion back and forth during the comment section, I think it's important that you guys address those

comments that were said here at the end end of this meeting. Okay. Next thing is I asked you guys last time we had this meeting here is to fix the website's email address to you guys. It doesn't work. You guys have three email addresses and the only one that works is the one that goes directly to Steve who says what whatever his title is there. That's the only only one. So I I I'll ask you again. Could you please fix that? I think the second or third time I've asked that. Now, now I did talk to Steve, I believe, where we exchanged emails a few times and I asked him about my personal property on Harford Avenue and what I was going to do or try to do. And I got three different answers back. And the fourth answer I got back was was very troublesome. And how I mean that is what he said to me. He said, "Look, I'm not on the economic commission." Well, you know something, you might not be on the economic commission, but you are on this commission. And if all the commissions together don't work in sync, nothing works. So, you might think it's important for you guys to have your edus put in here, whatever. And I've asked you multiple times what what my edus are. And the only time I actually got a normal answer is when I actually called Mary personally to ask her. And again, from listening to the conversations tonight, that might have changed again, too. So,

I'm not even sure about that. So if if I've got to invest $4 or5 million, you guys are leaving me here in a quagmire and that's not fair because I'll put that money somewhere else. I don't need to put it there in sound view. I mean, I've already done a nice job knock down buildings. I got one more building to knock down and make things good. But you guys haven't got back to me yet and told me what it's going to cost me for edus for that property. So I could go back to my banks and my investors and find out exactly what's going to happen here and what it's going to cost me. And until that happens, I guess I'll just have to move around and just do things a little bit differently and just walk away from Sound View because I really don't care. My money can make money somewhere else. Um, the second the next thing I asked you about is you guys mentioned about an edu. Could you guys explain to me maybe you can't do it now because we can't have a discussion in your comments next time. Explain to me when you guys do an edu on a building lot. Explain to me what a building lot is. All right. I want to know what the frontage, the depth, overall square footage. I think it's a fair question. And uh I guess that's about it. Unless you guys have any questions for me. Oh, another thing, by the way, uh when you guys were talking about laterals versus what goes to a house, uh remember, um when when a lateral goes to a house off the main sewer system, all right, there is an area there of around 10 ft that the town will own and that's where

the lateral goes to, not to your curb. So I I think correct your your notes there and maybe you might get this right. I I've had a little experience doing this like 50 years of building houses, putting in roads and doing different things. So you know I I know where the variances are. I know how things work and I'm willing to discuss with any of you guys at any time. You can call me and talk to me. But I'm not getting any answers. And let me just go, you know, um I guess that's it. I'm covered. I I covered my comments. I thank you for your time and and I do thank I gotta tell you Mary I was I I don't even know Mary and I'm very impressed with her down there because she happens to live down there at the shore and knows a lot of the people that are there and you've got what Dennis Beluzo I think and Dmitri that are that live on the shoreline there too and they know the people you guys know what the overall cost this thing could be, can't be, what it might be, and everything else. So, when I'm hearing some vague numbers come up and and Mary asked some very very pointed questions, and I was very disappointed, I guess you, Steve, is you blew her off like like she didn't know what she was talking about. She ate your lunch and you can't you can't even get back to it. So, I really do wish you guys the best and and I wish you guys had a little more experience about what you guys are doing there because if you think D is just going to come in there and mandate that there's other options that were available 10 15 years ago when

I lived in old line shores that that I put through and that are working today. So any questions please ask. Thank you, Bill. Are there any other questions? The only thing I want to know is am I going to get answered back? Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, you've already you've already exceeded the time. I let you I let you finish. I asked if there are any other questions from I guess any other people out there. This is why you're not liked. Well, that's okay. All right, Bill. Thank you. Um, Erica, I think I think Benny I I do want Benny to talk. I want Erica to mute Bill if she can. Thank you, Benny. Could you state your name, full name, and address? 36 Portland. Okay. Thank you. the plans. I think a profit should be given a reasonable amount of time to fix the problem before you start buying whatever. Well, I you just can't get them starting. You know, they should be a reasonable amount of time to correct the violation, whatever it may be, and then start playing. All right. So, the chair can respond to some of these comments. I'll respond to yours. Um, it says that that the WPCA can't find you. Doesn't say has to, doesn't say when it's going to begin. I would imagine that a fine would be a last resort after trying to get the homeowner to legalize the situation. All right. I don't think that's the first go-to. Um, it wouldn't

be if I were still here. Um but uh uh it's an it's a it's a method to enforce uh the ordinance. It's not it's not it's not if someone's violating you know I was already asked today or this week about how why why don't we why don't we start um finding people that don't pump the same I mean we're a sewer avoidance town um if our records are correct and someone refuses to pump we have the right to find them Um, and maybe we will start if they refuse to do that. I mean, that's um, but we'll send out our cards again and and see where that's at. 80, 60 days, whatever you decide on, and then they don't do it, be fine. Now, I'm sorry I had to you, Bill, again, but I can't have you interrupting my meeting. Um, I will get back to you. I'm allowed to to comment uh on some of these things. So, you and I went back and forth on emails and uh you said that as chairman of the WPCA, I had a fiduciary right to spur economic development. And that's when I said, I don't have that at all. I'm responsible to ensure that the people in this town have safe drinking water and aren't polluting. Uh if you don't want to build down there, that's that's fine by me. I I you do what you feel is necessary. Um I also ended up at the last email saying if you come in and formally ask us to determine what your .edu will be, I'll bring it to the WPCA and we'll detail we'll be able to determine what your edus will be. I said I wasn't going to

do that because of the way your property is. We would need to see a set of plans or something that shows the building design. Um, as far as I showed that to you already. I sent you prints. So, please stop. You haven't sent me prints. You sent me a description. I'm not Check your email. You're too hard. Check your check your email. I've checked all my email. Sent the multiple prints out to you. Mary has my prints. Uh, and I'm sure she could share them with you guys at any point. Uh, I do. I I have seen Well, she actually presented them to the Sound View Commission and Frank shared them and they are beautiful. The design that he has in mind would really bring value and enhance not just Town View but this whole town. So, we are, you know, we would like to see something like that developed here. I I asked him to formally submit the plans so that we could review them and determine what his edus will be. I don't want to go out via email as a single person and tell him something that would be incorrect. Okay. All right. I've asked you that. I can pull up the email and read it to you if you'd like. Bill Bill, just send him the plan. Just send him your plan again. copy the plans again and if you don't understand them I I'll help you walk through them. Thank you. Um and then I guess the other thing is uh we define the lateral we we defined our lateral as going from the main to the house with ownership from the property line to the main being the towns and ownership from the property line into

the house as being the owners. There's that's the definition. So I I don't know town has no easement at all on any of the property like the sidewalks or nothing if if it does it would be on the on the zoning or on the pin. I don't know. But easements are different than e bill. Easements are different than property line. Easements mean that that that the town would have the right to go onto that section of easement to repair something. It doesn't mean we own it. It means it's an easement. The property line is still the property line. That's why I brought it. Exactly. And that's why I brought it up if you didn't hear me the first time. Usually most towns and everyone that I've built houses and developments in, you have a 10-ft easement. So you have electrical, water, gas, and different things that the utility company could come in and work on that property without disturbing your property. Of course, they would fix it and bring it back to grade and everything else like that like like they're supposed to. Well, if the electric company has has wire in that section, it would have to be an electric company easement, not a town easement. The town doesn't own the easement. It's the it's it's the utility that right the town the town I don't think that's your property line. No they have occur in work street property and then yes that's that's correct. It's an easement but it's still your property. So when we define a lateral to the property line, that is what we own and what you own. It's to the property line,

not to an easement somewhere off the property line. If it breaks, if it where you live, middle town, New Britain, they did that. Most easements are 10 feet into a property line. So when a utility company comes in and has to do some work repairs or something else, they don't destroy the road. That's why that's my front yard. But Bill, Bill, I'm not going to argue I'm not going to argue over easements uh with you. The our lateral goes to the property line. I will say that too, like the town, I had a problem with one of my rental properties and water was coming into the driveway. I thought I had to repair it until a workman told me no, the apron to belongs to the town and they had to come repair it. So, I think it's the same principle as what Bill is trying to stress. It's not to the property line. No, it is it in our ordinance. If this ordinance passes, you're responsible for your lateral from your house to the property line, which might not be the curb. It may not be the curb. It's to the property line. There may not even be a curb. Whatever your property line is is what you understand. Okay, just clarification because I I understand what Bill's talking about. I understand what Bill's talking about. you know, down the road when you're not here to explain these things, Steve. When you're no longer part of the WPCA and someone else has to come in, we have to make this as clear as possible. It's clear. It's clear. It's to the property line. How it doesn't get any clearer than just like so at my property. So, at my house, I have a sidewalk, right? I'm not responsible for the sidewalk. You're

responsible to shovel it. But I don't have to repair it. I don't have to repair it. No, you don't have to repair it. So, all right, let's just move on. You don't have to repair it. Okay. What? It's the town has decided that you don't have to repair that. That they would because they own the sidewalk. I don't. Right. And I own the lateral to the to the property line. If it's if if the lateral goes under an easement, you still own the property. It's still yours. I mean, the easement is just granting permission for someone to do work on it, and they're responsible to repair that area in the east. Okay. Well, you guys are in the trade, so I'm sure you know better than I what's clear and what isn't clear because you're all in this trade, right? Yeah. And if I if I may say something, I can't wait for one of you guys to dig up a main road and a town or the town or the WPCA is going to come in and say, "I'm going to pay for that." I have no clue what you're talking about, Bill, but I'll tell you what, Bill. I I dug up seven miles of road in in Middletown. I put in seven miles of sewer, seven miles Well, not seven miles of drainage. drainage and water line with with laterals and uh services uh water services to the curb um to the property line wherever it was. Sometimes it's 10 ft in, sometimes it wasn't. Um I've done this actual physical work for 35 years now. I think I know what I'm talking about, but maybe I don't. you. Well, actually, actually, you you're right. You said the right word. You think you know what you're talking about. Let me try to explain to you something. If if the

water line is damaged, the lateral is damaged from the main trunk in the road to the street and they have to go into the street now to fix that line. That person who owns that house per your rules is not responsible for the street, not responsible for any curb rejustments. The town or the WPCA will pay for that. That's correct. So you understand the that's all that's all I'm asking you. That was a simple question. That didn't sound like a question, but yes, regardless, that's correct. the same question that Martha had at the last meeting when it came to this ordinance applying to the PBAs when you say that the town therefore as Bill is trying to explain would own going in and repairing whatever damage to the infrastructure in the road is that true if it's true also for the PBAs and she wanted a a clarification from an attorney on that point is so absolutely I mean that that's that's good that's a good thing But I would imagine that the entity that's managing the whole system in the operating and maintenance agreement, whatever entity it is, whether it's the old line WPCA or some other corporation that that's formed to manage the system and collects the money for uh repairs and maintenance that whoever that is, the money comes from the repairs and maintenance from everyone. So, most likely that entity would is quote the town would pay for any break because everyone's contributing to that fun any break like over an inline shores. Is that what you're saying? Because I think that was Martha's. Yes. Yes. And so we got a legal opinion on that. That's what I don't know. I I don't know. We're

getting a legal opinion. I told you the thing's in for review. I know that's what she was asking you last month. Yes, I I understand the question. Um, it's in for legal review. So, we don't know. So, we don't know. Uh, so anyway, I got transformed. Any other public comment? You're going to need a company to maintain your postage. They come in once a month. Yeah. So, so you're going to need someone for jet rotting if there's any backups. We we have gotten we have gotten quotes from the town of East Lime to to maintain our system after it's built. They're they're old everything. They're going to do the bio everything. They they will be contracted to maintain and run operate the system. Tucker mechanical. Now it can't really isn't that they do submit a bit. Oh wow. No, that's they don't they don't Did they win one of the bids? Fleet GA fleet. I doubt it. I mean they do but they don't make they Well, they do service but um usually it's it's an outside entity. I mean, New London's New London's uh uh whole system, their whole sewer treatment is their their sewer treatment facility, their pump stations, their their laterals, their their uh sewer mains, uh is is managed by Viola. Is it Viola still? Violia. Violia still. I mean, it's a outside company that gets paid $60 million a year or whatever. Outside.

Correct. Correct. And as I said, we we've gotten quotes from the town of East Limes, WPCA, to manage and operate our system, but we will get other quotes, I'm sure. But that was a extremely viable uh uh thing. So, if there's no other public comment, um could we have a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion to adjourn. Second. Meaning adjourned. 9:00. Thank you, everyone.