Rogers Lake Authority - Regular Meeting

All right. Thank you Michael.

Okay, I'd like to call the meeting to order at. No, it's not time yet. Oh yeah, it is. 2 minutes. 2 minutes. Folks, we'll start.

Call the meeting to order at 7.28.

Close enough. Erika, for when you listen to this, everybody is in attendance and we have no visitors. Does anybody want to go over the meeting, the minutes for the last meeting? It looked accurate to me.

I didn't see any changes. I read them before.

Okay.

I'll move to .

Do I have a second for that?

A second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Thank you. I think I did hear. There's not much in terms of expenses for the month. Just the cell phone and clerical costs. Any personnel costs and other boating expenses will hit in June. We don't have too much. It's just been some gas.

So I have expenses for things I've been buying for water testing. Should I give those to you?

Oh, please do. Yeah, I want to get you reimbursed. Okay, thank you. Perfect.

Thanks, Joe. Yeah, it'd be good to go back in this year. Do you have the reimbursement form, or do you, Mark?

I don't know.

All I have done in the past is submit the receipts to Tracy.

Oh, so there's no form to fill out?

Not that I know of. We'll find out what I was going to do is it's a bit and say I approve and ask them to send the check to you.

There's a lot of fun what expense reimbursement.

It all gets charged. Lays ill is gas that then account and Reynolds is okay, you know my address. Social Security number. Yes.

Yeah.

Yes. No, Tracy, if I go and I get a nice email, but friendly email back from Tracy saying, where's this going to? So that's good. Yes. It's very handy. All right. So. Thank you. Patrol boat update. I think we're operating really well out of Hainesville Park. It's Haines Park. We've been short a person, which is the next topic, but other than that, I think things are working. We have gotten parking passes for the patrol people that became to be required, which is fine. Up until about three hours ago, we weren't covered for Friday afternoon and Saturdays, but, um, Joe's going to do it. He's perfect. Um, Mike, um, C court tenant show is, um, Joey is a retired firefighter. He's an EMT and he has a boating license. He knows the lake and he's been, um, He actually currently works part-time for the town of Old Line as an EMT.

Oh, I didn't know that part.

Yeah.

I've never met him.

No, he's a nice guy. He's, you know, he's, so he's, he's a perfect fit. I mean, it's just type of person. So, and actually the, there's been an onboarding problem. They changed policies at the time and I didn't know it. People, even if they're coming back from a seasonal job, have to sort of confirm their updated information and get an employment letter. So our guys didn't get paid last pay period because I didn't know until they didn't get paid that that happened, but we're taking care of it. Yeah, well, Morgan, that'll happen to Morgan. He should be, Morgan, I checked in his application, she has that. She should be taking care of the paperwork for him now. I was talking with Martha yesterday. HR just hired like 60 people for summer jobs for all of the parks and all of that. And she has to onboard all those people and get out the letters and the whole process. So it's understandable that she's a little, she only works three days a week.

Every other week it's quiet.

It's the time of year. That worked out good. I have contacted Peter Zach. He's willing to fill in from time to time.

What's your guy's name?

John Seifert.

A jet ski. Screaming up. And then smoke was pouring and he's still screaming up. And then all of a sudden it just died. And his buddy was way down by you. And so I'm like, so you're coming around and you saw, um, John, he was by that where the Sloan awake section is picnic Island. Yeah. So Rob pulled up and I said, hey, I believe he has a problem. And he's like, oh, okay. So he cut in front of us and then went up. And then when we went into our dock, he was up there with, because the guy's buddy came back. So I don't know what happened.

He didn't normally, if he had a toad, when they get off at shift, they send him a text. Yeah, they just sent a text saying sort of what happened.

Nice. There was smoke pouring out there, and I'm like, ink up.

One left jet ski. I know. I shouldn't talk. I have one. I don't go screaming out there.

So hopefully that problem is solved and we won't have any issues.

What about Tuesday, Thursday?

Mark's on that. He couldn't last week. thursday he had a problem he had to deal with his dad so that's why he wasn't around so joey will be on this friday i don't know if we can get him on board that fast he's going to go out with mark's on tomorrow he's going to go out with mark tomorrow see what it's like we're going to show him how to get into the boathouse and all of that stuff right so saturday saturday would friday afternoon and saturday will be joey Rosick, R-O-S-S-I-K.

I'm glad that worked out.

Yeah, thanks very much.

You're welcome. Because it's. Because I asked Mike, Mike camping and stuff. Yeah. Mike was doing umpiring also. And then he's like, you know, maybe Joey will be interested.

Yeah, it's perfect.

Perfect, yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Okay, anything else on the patrol boat? Rapid response. I think I've, once again, sort of lost track of where we are.

So I downloaded from the Google Drive. I couldn't edit it. There was a message, and I did a screenshot, and I included it when I sent back to everybody. But I downloaded it, made all the edits, And then I attached it as a copy and a screenshot of the error message that I got on the Google Drive. Okay.

That may be because my Google Drive gets full. Google wants me to buy more. No. But I sent it two weeks ago. Okay.

It was a couple weeks ago.

It's in their inbox, so we should all review it for the next meeting. Okay.

Yeah, and that is the most current version, and I just put a small little summary on there.

Perfect. I think that one is labeled May 19th version. It might be. It might be. I worked on the flow chart that's needed. Oh, okay. Perfect. Yep. In writing this out, it highlighted a couple points that if there's time to discuss, we can, or if it's for a subgroup, it would be better we can do that.

Do you want to do it in a subgroup or whatever you do?

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

I mean, let me just pass it out and do things quickly, and if it's getting too deep or detailed, feel free to say take it to a subgroup.

Okay.

Perfect.

It's on its own.

This is complicated because it is.

That's okay. It's largely taken from the text.

The upper two left-hand boxes is if the DNA test is positive, and then below that is if the infected hydrilla is found. But the DNA test is positive going to the Right there is in the taxes is immediately retreat to confirm locations listed. And if the suspected hydrologist all the email the picture to work or myself and we would confirm that was opposite. They the species and then that goes to the upper right hand boxes of the we've confirmed I drill. And one question to think about is do we want to arrow coming off of their spot treat right away if it if you actually see anything. So park that thought. Otherwise, we're going down. And here what I added is a timing element. So if this was detected well before September, that means we would want to push off our survey, this more detailed intercept meander survey that I think we should plan for September every year. And if they can move it up, that's fine. If they say they can't and we want to get another vendor for that, or if this all takes place after that September survey, something pops up, then we would need the request for funds for this fancy.

For the survey, right.

Which is $4,000.

Okay.

Either way, that bracket then going off to the left says you do the point intercept me under survey, which is where they go do the whole lake looking for hydrilla. That leads to a treatment plan, choice of herbicides and cost. Cost goes lower left box. The board has selected people to finance. And then to the bottom, schedule treatment if infestation is small enough to be treated with herbicides covered by our permit. Otherwise, we need to seek a permit if we need systemic treatment by the herbicide center. And what I've left off is the signage and all that that you need to do. So the two points that came out of this that I mentioned is off the upper right-hand box, if hydrilla is confirmed and we've seen it, we want to call upon Lake and say we've got a spot treat now while we do all this other stuff.

I agree.

And there's a slight chance of overlap, but at that point we're in a crisis mode. Yeah. And then in the document, it says every other year that September survey is done.

I think we agreed to do it every year.

I'll correct that. Okay. That would be every year. But the main reason to draw this out is that this leads to questions like this.

No, it's very helpful to do. Thank you.

Do we change the verb as well before September? Sure. Like six weeks or a month or whatever you think is appropriate because I'll be for the judgment.

Right we just say before the end.

Well, I think the record for them are fine, but if it's if it were found tomorrow. We wait until September to find out where they are and then do all of this and that's so.

Maybe just maybe you're implying to believe that as a judgment call when it happened because we'd be calling experts at that point getting there.

Yeah that's That's what I was thinking. I think you go for it as soon as you can.

But actually, it depends. Okay, so I'm looking at the test. If ideally an EDA or a sample is confirmed, so that means we've gone out, we've done a second test on the EDA. Yeah, I think you want to call it. as soon as you know because it's going to take a couple of weeks to get somebody on board so as soon as possible for the requesting type test the survey the survey where it's where it says well before september i want to take that box out and just say and just change it to asap what are you thinking i mean what um

You have before September and you have after.

Yeah. So this assumes that we have one scheduled in September every year. Right.

That's early or late.

Right. It's early. But yeah. It will be looking starting now or even a little before. And we wouldn't want to wait until September. Right. So if we go to Pound and Lake and say, hey, we got one scheduled in September. Can you do it right away? They're going to say no. Okay. Probably. And then do we go and look for, are there any other vendors who can do this? And if so, we would need money for them. Or I think at that point, we seek that survey by whatever means as soon as possible and treat anything that we see as soon as possible. Right.

I think you've just said exactly enough of it. And if we just take out all this detail and just say, seek a survey as soon as possible. And whether we have one in September weather moved whether that we can get that we're going to all have to do with.

I think laying it out highlights reason we need one scheduled every year in September is the best one raise chance of seeing. That not.

Our annual September survey doesn't really have anything to do with the emergency response. That's just something we do annually anyway.

Well, we're planning to do it annually. As a placeholder, so every year we've got a detailed survey that we've never done before. We've got that on the books. It's budgeted. We've got it in their schedule.

Right.

And if we get an emergency situation, we can either wait until September if it's next week, Or we can figure out something to do soon.

Right, right. So if this is a flow chart for emergency response, then we would say your emergency response is to get a detailed survey as soon as possible. Whether that means we just default to our annual September survey or try to get one from elsewhere. But the bottom line is we need a survey Am I understanding it correctly?

I believe so. And that could be written in this long line going down.

Yeah. You're in law. Well, I think, yeah.

I think we want the survey as quickly as possible. I mean, if we got evidence after the September survey and if somebody found a piece in October, well, actually it all dies out.

It dies.

It died by October.

But, I mean, if something was found as a part of the September survey, that would trigger our emergency response, right?

Just like... Yeah.

Yeah. And not to make the complicated thing more complicated, but where would you be on the flow chart? Because you've already done a survey.

You mean like the summer survey?

So if the September survey turned up evidence of hydrilla, that would trigger our emergency response, correct? Right, but then the hydrilla died. But I'm just asking, where would we be on the flow chart in that scenario?

I think that would lead directly to the treatment plan. And the treatment plan might be wait till spring. So if the survey finds something, then that would take you to treatment plan.

But that's if it's before September.

Or if it's in September.

I guess if it's in September, we can still treat. Because you want to treat the risk of durians forming in September is what you want to guard against. So I think we would want to, no matter when we found it, we would want to try to get treatment in. Or before September.

Thanks for the discussion. I'll work on this more and then put it in. If I get a live document, I can. I'm working off the one that you sent out. And this is Invisio.

I used the Word document that I sent, which sounds like you did.

That's what I've worked on.

Yes.

THIS IS THE LATEST. THIS IS THE LATEST. THIS IS THE LATEST. YES. YES. YES. THAT'S THE LATEST DOCUMENT. THAT'S THE LATEST DOCUMENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M WORKING ON.

THAT'S WHAT I'M WORKING ON. OKAY, PERFECT.

OKAY, PERFECT. I'LL DO IT THE OLD-FASHIONED I'LL DO IT THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY AND E-MAIL IT AROUND. WAY AND E-MAIL IT AROUND. I'LL WORK ON THIS. I'LL WORK ON THIS. I'LL PUT IT IN. I'LL PUT IT IN. I'VE GOT A FEW OTHER EDITS. I'VE GOT A FEW OTHER EDITS.

I'LL TRACK THEM AND I'LL SEND IT I'LL TRACK THEM AND I'LL SEND IT AROUND. A

First of all, Joel and I took a trip up to Twin Lakes to observe their monitoring program. Unfortunately, it was an incredibly cold, wet day, and they weren't launching anything. Oh, no. But we did get to meet with a couple of the monitors, and we had a long discussion. Is it Rich or Rich? It's Richard. I don't know if he's...

He signed his email, Rich.

Rich.

Richard in the heavens.

who's head of their monitoring program. And we had a long talk with him on a broad range of subjects, which was very helpful. One of the things they do and they're going to invite us to in October, they have sort of a little workshop that's larger than that though. And they invite state legislatures, people from deep, people from the industry, and people from their lake to talk about issues and how, sort of do a post-mortem on how they've done with their program, their Hype Driller program for the year and other things that are coming up and they're going to invite us to join them. Yeah.

They've spent a lot of money.

Huge amounts of money. Actually, we helped them too. Joel's been giving them information on eDNA testing. and send them some contacts about getting a license. They have a boat launch, which is a commercial boat launch, but they have like a kayak boat launch farther up, and they'd like to put monitors up there, so I showed them who to talk to indeed to get a license. So I think it's a good relationship.

Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, they hit a really... big hydrilla sign, the official deep one. And I heard that you can only get that if you have hydrilla. Because it's mainly to keep hydrilla from leaving that lake to other lakes. That's the purpose of that giant sign. And they don't want any other lakes putting up that sign if you don't have it. So that's why we need our own sign that says keep it from coming in as opposed to keep it from leaving.

To mark. Yeah, both the signs that Marmon has.

Right. And I have sent to, I had those, I didn't know if those were deep approved, but the sign that we were using in the newsletter is deep approved. It's got that little Connecticut symbol on the bottom.

So I have extra copies of that.

So, oh, good. So I, The first pass, I sent it to, I just recently sent it to Yolanda, the woman's name, to ask her if we could do this. If she comes back and says, no, we can't do that sign, I'll go back to yours and see where we go from there.

This is the one Mike signed. This is the one you can post if you've got hydrology. Uh-huh.

Yeah. We don't want it. No, we don't. No, we can't.

No, we wouldn't.

Yeah, we want. I reminded her of that.

Okay.

I said the sign that you help us put up.

How long does it take?

So this is the one. This is basically the sign that we put up. Yeah. Okay is spreading okay yeah that's great yeah, thank you. So that would be I was thinking it may be 2 by 3. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll make it yeah and I have that high quality pdf that you said so hopefully that's enough to make the sign off of. I think I sent you the big the large file yeah.

So Twin Lakes has a state launch.

They have a state kayak. They have a launch that you can only take boats that you can lift up, you know, that you can carry in on their lake.

How did they get Hydrola then?

Oh, the commercial boat launch they had.

Oh, commercial boat launch.

Oh, yeah.

I think the picture is taken near some sort of marina.

Yeah, that's the marina. Yeah, and their guys are right there.

Yeah, so that's their point of... Their primary, yeah. Yeah, their problem area.

Yes.

I was talking to friends who live on Clawson, and I don't think they have a state boat launch.

Okay.

They do have an infestation. I don't know if it's hydrilla or something else. So they have very rigorous limitations. But on all of the boats that are resident on the lake, they all have to have stickers and inspections and whatnot, which seems like a little bit over the top, but given A, that they already have it, and B, that They don't have a launch, so they have now switched their focus to their local watercraft.

Yeah, because somebody brought it in. Yeah.

Unusual.

Actually, that's sort of a hole we don't have because in our thinking now that I think about it, we're going after the people that are putting in their boats you know, for the weekend or on a Saturday or Sunday. But the other boats go in piecemeal, right? To all the, everybody that lives on the lake. Like I'm putting my boat in on Friday.

Yeah.

And nobody's going to be around to inspect that.

I'll come over.

Yeah, bud. Okay.

So you're also not fishing your boat up the Connecticut. I don't. I don't. So I'm thinking, There might be a handful of people on the lake that might take their boat somewhere else and back and forth. But I think for the most part, if you're on the lake, you're both safe on the lake.

I mean, for us, I think our focus is on the boat launch results. We're at the highest risk. That's the highest risk. Absolutely. It was interesting to me how the focus changed because CrossFit didn't have a boat launch.

Yeah. Yeah, actually, it was interesting with the monitors now, actually, Twin Lakes is helping us by not allowing, because they check the boats when they leave, as well as when they go in. So they make sure nobody's taking anything out.

Oh, that's very nice.

Yeah, I mean, they're spending a lot of money to protect our lake.

And they're trying to keep people out of their infected area, which will chop it up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was a good, um, that's a good discussion. Good trip. Um, I have interviewed three people so far for the monitoring program. Um, first gentleman was qualified, but it just wasn't enough hours for him. And, you know, Not that many people want to work on a Saturday and Sunday morning. Talked to another gentleman who was interested and had a background actually in invasives, but he's getting his master's in Boston and is moving up there, so he wasn't available. I have a woman that I just interviewed. Doesn't mean all our criteria, but I think I would like to go with her as well as another person. She is going to be a junior in college. She is studying forensic science at the University of New Haven. And she has done a lot of work. And she's done internships with police departments. So to me, she's somebody that used to deal with the public and has gone out and potentially confrontational situations. Um, and excuse my chauvinism, but, um, the other thing that caught my eye, she plays rugby.

She's got it. She is.

Yes. She's a hooker, which is like the center. Yeah. So she has a presence.

Um, yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, um, Mostly, I like the idea that she was used to dealing with potentially confrontational situations. She's used to trying to communicate with people.

Is she local?

Yeah, she lives down the street from me.

Great.

Yeah.

Great.

Yeah. And she commutes to school. She's available through September.

Yeah. Great, great. I don't know. We can talk to you in the chat, but.

We had said we didn't want anybody that wasn't out of college or had worked for a while. We were looking for older people. But I think she should work out fine. I think so, yeah. So I am looking to try to start up the program. I wanted to do it on the 20th. She's got an attendant invasive plant seminar, and there's one on the 16th. So we could start her up on the 20th. I'm not around on the 20th, but I am on the 21st and there happens to be a fishing. We're got it. Yeah. 21st. So I thought we definitely start on the 21st. If someone else is available and, um, I think that's father's day. Oh boy. Well, this is seven to 12, so nothing's going to happen, but thanks for reminding me. Um, I think sometime the week before that, we may have a little brief meeting if anybody wants to come just to discuss how we're going to do this, what we're going to hand out, all of that stuff.

So we'll let you know about that. So I'll have the extra copies of the newsletter.

Perfect.

For the Bo and if they need them at the launch.

Okay.

So you're going to try and have Bo working on Saturday the 20th? Is that your plan?

I'm going to try to have her work on the 21st.

And the agenda says it's 7 to 3 p.m. Is it 12 or 3?

No, our license to inspect boats is 7 to 12. We're only inspecting them on the way in. We should probably try to inspect them on the way out. Our main goal when we set it up was to get people coming in.

Okay. Does it make sense to notify the people who are responsible for the tournament to say, hey, you might want to get there a little bit early because they're going to be inspecting boats? If you're inspecting it, it's going to delay getting into the water.

Fair point. Actually, we need to – yeah, I don't – that's a good point.

We both I I can tell you all that we had a night.

30 and we're going well.

Yeah, that's the week so I didn't think there were that many and then I think that that is somebody commented that the. I could push him down.

You can small group.

But I think you can tell that they don't know our lake. They definitely don't know the lake. They go the wrong way.

Yeah.

Although some of them have the big motors and they just have the trolling motor and they just puss around with the trolling motor. So some of them know he must have been here before. Or they read the sign. Wow. But most of them don't have a clue.

Hmm. 20 anglers, 10 boats.

10 boats. Okay, for the 24?

Yeah. So.

They have to sign up for the dance or something?

Oh, yeah. These are all the permitted ones. There are people that go out and just sort of do unofficial ones, you know, groups that get together and say we're going to go and don't. But this is, if you have a group over a certain size, you have to apply to the state.

Yeah. For setting up the calendar. Yeah, I'm setting up the calendar with all the the tournament schedule. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I put them on our our calendar. Yeah. Yeah. So are we are we not contacting the main contact person to let them know they'll be monitoring.

I'll see if I can find somebody at Southeast Bass. Oh, no, it's not that. Kent County Bass Anglers. We can try and just let them know we're doing something new.

Kent County? Yes.

That's what it says, yeah.

Is that in Berlin? There's no Kent County in Connecticut, right? Kent County Bass Anglers. Oh, the town of Kent. Kent County. I don't know. Maybe it's Rhode Island. Maybe it's Rhode Island. The other one. It's Rhode Island. There's a county of Canton. I don't think there's a county. Yeah.

I don't think there's a county. I'm really like killing it now on my calendar.

Well, you know what I can do. I will, I have to submit a form to the state. So there's got to be a contact. So I will, I'll call and get a contact. We should be able to do that.

While you're doing that, should you get it for the next one too? Southeast Bend? Sure. Make less close. Well, unless you can find it.

Yeah. I'll see what we can find out.

Yeah. I can look online tomorrow too. Okay, thanks.

Yeah.

Look for contacts.

Okay. So that's where we are. Let's see how it goes. I think this isn't going to be, all these guys from these, especially the anglers, they've been inspected before because there are other lakes that have inspection stations, you know, like hydro inspections or have monitors. So it's not going to be a huge surprise to them. All right any other questions on that. Water quality and DNA testing. We get ready to send you got your poll we get ready to send Morgan out you know.

Getting supplies together. I brought this just because. You can. Well, the old sampler was really clumsy. Did you make that, Joel? I did.

You did a great job.

Yeah. Very professional.

And you can put the samples in the freezer at the boathouse when you're done.

Yeah.

Just mark them clearly that they're scientific samples.

Yeah.

Nobody drinks them.

A little poison sign on it. So that, and then I made a eight-foot, one-and-a-half-inch in diameter pipe with a check valve on it that you put into the water, and the check valve lets the water in to get a pample from depth, and you pull it out, it stays in, and you dump it. These are all based on concepts online. So we've got that. We've got a comp set up with University of Maine for the ED&I and Iowa State University for the with prostate and nitrate. We've got this water bottle, which that's an example. We've got this Becky gas that we're ready to use. I just need to get shipping containers for shipping coal, coordinate with Morgan to set up dates for the tributaries you need to plan after heavy rain and after dry period for that comparison. And really what I'm hoping to do with Morgan, if he's willing, is do this with him once. And he does it. And I'm there if he has any questions. And then he schedules it and plans it and does everything. Going forward, I'm actually there to help if need be. But I want him to, so to speak, own this and be part of it. For the ED and HF thing, the procedure says you need two people for that. I don't know if that's really true or not, but we'll do that together to start with. So beginning of the year, we'll go out of just getting everything lined up. And so we're sort of starting to come together. Great, thank you.

The shipping containers, are those like styrofoam coolers or what are they?

Yeah, styrofoam boxes to ship.

Mm-hmm.

And there are a couple of the woman at Iowa State recommended a couple of sources.

Okay. Okay. I was thinking of like a Dollar Tree or something. But I think that these are a little bit more official.

And probably with a cold pack in there. Okay. Great.

And do you ever get the data from Yale? What we waiting for data from Yale for the longest time?

Right that that's why you're hearing and that out with the with the ground. He showed you the analysis of the day okay. You remember that cracker. I know I did.

But anyway, I'm glad that that all right up. And then he's doing the second gift or the And he submits that to the Confederations for Lakes?

Yes.

I can't remember.

There's a website. And he'll be able to fill out those forms and observe what was the weather and all of that. So it's just a study and careful observation and taking samples. There's not a lot of science, per se, other than the mechanics of it. The most scientific aspect is what we're hoping Twin Lakes will do, and that's by testing for eDNA close to where they know they have the infection and in the other part of the lake. And if only the close one gives a hit, then you know it can help you locate. Right. If they both give hits, and it says, well, it's a systemic test that tells you to test the whole lake all at once. Yeah.

Right.

If neither of them give hits, well, okay.

Yeah, that'll be helpful when they do that.

What's the point of the second dish? Yeah, but what's the point, though, of testing for that? Oh, the clarity of the water. But it's substances in the water. Yeah, but if you're testing for substances, it's different. OK, all right.

I mean, there are four things that people really test that are critical of all of the dozens of things they look at in that report. That's phosphate. We'll be doing that. That's super sensitive. I think good enough. Same with nitrate. Chlorophyll, we're not doing. That would be trickier. And then there's water clarity, which is a black and white disc that you lower down so you can't see it. And depending on where you are with those four measurements, it tells you what type of lake you are. The health is either trophic and eutrophic and different. So right now we're in the fairly healthy zone, but certain trends are heading toward the less healthy zone where we would have boundary blooms where the lake turns bright green and you can't swim in it because you've got animal bacteria and that sort of thing. If we have data that's trending toward, hey, something bad is going to happen, as they predicted it would in 2003, given our measurement, that's where we can get more serious about what to do about it. And in terms of phosphate, detergents and all that don't have phosphate in them anymore, I'm guessing that septics are a real concern. So maybe we could use this as ammunition to go to the towns in the area that if they don't have required septic testing, we could relax. We could get this sort of thing taken care of. So it's data to then say we need to do septic cleaning. There are limited things we can do, but if we can do it, we should.

Thank you. Isn't that visibility declining year over year?

I don't know.

I can't remember.

Well, you keep going.

we were just just as an anecdote sue and i were up at skinny atlas lake last week and um they have zebra mussels and those they do go in cycles but the water it's a very all those finger lakes are very deep but the water was so clear you can see like 20 feet down nice yeah well it is nice and it's not because there's nothing alive down there oh oh because the no Yeah, all the vegetation just died away. Yeah, it's a funny balance of how much clarity you want.

Thank you. Well, we were to. But it's true. It goes up to about where we are now, just because.

OK, moving on, you know, there's. We just really talked about lake events, which are all the upcoming John Potter, Fishing tournaments. John Potter, leak signage maintenance, we have two signs down the. John Potter, North cove one that's the one way side that's that no motor sign and then the. John Potter, Sign the one way sign down a picnic picnic island. John Potter, Dick Dennis and I tried to put up the put up it was up when we left. The North Coast sign, but it's fallen down.

Yeah.

So we need to get, I think, a couple of more people for your boat and somebody that can handle a 10-pound sledge.

So that's what I was thinking, actually.

Yeah, we need to step off on Wednesday. Oh, yeah. Because we, yeah, I think we need a ladder. Last time we did it, we used a fixed pontoon boat, and Dennis stood on top of a seat. I think if you got a little higher, we had people to hold the ladder. You need somebody in the water to hold the boat.

Is the sign like a post?

It's on two posts.

Like that?

You know what I'm talking about? There's a test. Sign the test in the post. You don't want to get on top. Tell Rob we're going to need him. I'll find out when Dennis is back and then we'll try to get it done. The other thing is you might have noticed and Dick rescued it. The buoy that's near the dam that says danger. We think that was out there to protect the dry hydrant that is connected. There's a pipe that runs from the road down to the underneath. It just marks the end of the pipe. Yeah, it just marks the end of the night.

So people weren't... People for don't going close to the dam. Oh, that's what I thought. That's what I thought. You don't want to go that close. Yeah. So anyhow, I asked Martha what...

The fire department, Dennis remembers that we don't know anybody who actually has a permit for it. We don't.

Isn't it the town's sign?

The town doesn't have a record. Deep doesn't have a record of a permit for that building. I'm sure they didn't buy the one. I'm sure they didn't either. So if the fire department wants it, I offered to help them get a permit to put it back in.

So you took it out because it's not permitted?

Well, no, it broke away from the edge of the dam. It would have taken a lot of rain. So we got to figure that out. But yeah, we need to set up a little work party. Okay. So, what else? You discovered a kayak, or you discovered the kayak.

Yeah, I was going to ask. I got a text from Fred.

Did the kayak end up outside the boat house? It's still at Fred's house as of last night. Why? I don't know. Oh, okay. We went by, and it was at Fred's dock. Does it have a pumpkin in it? No, it has boobies. Oh, okay. Like bumpers.

Okay. They're not boobies. They look like a bumper. I was looking at the picture. There's bumpers. Okay.

Well, I guess is lost and found something we want to take on?

My opinion?

No. So what do we do when people...

suggest they post it to Friends of Old Lyme and Friends of Lyme in the Rogers Lake Facebook pages.

Oh. And they can also post something at coffee.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

I guess our main remit would be to give them photos of this floating unattended to remove it.

I think we remove it and take it to the state launch.

Mother Nature will take care of that. It will come ashore somewhere.

Yeah, but you don't want, I mean, if you're out water skiing and zooming along, you don't want a half-flooded kayak. Maybe, but, you know, they're not out there.

I pulled a piece of foam out right in front of your house.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah. maybe a week or 10 days ago. I just put it on my boat and took it back and threw it out.

That's what I tend to do.

Other times I've pulled out like there was like one of those inflated swans.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I just did it just to hazard it. Because we pull stuff out too if we're driving around. Yeah, we do. I guess the problem with a boat is that it's large enough that you can't just stick it in the garbage and throw it away.

Right, right, right.

I offered to Tony that if you wanted to put it between the boathouse and that cyclone fence on the north side, it should sit there for a week or two.

You were conversing with Fred via text.

It was sort of three-way.

Yeah, I kind of did more of it. Okay. I didn't want to get involved.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I sent him what Candace had sent. Yeah. And he thanked, said thank you. And I think it's so... I think he said it was easier for him to just pull it. He has a little blossom whaler. He said he could just pull it down there.

Yeah. And his wife, Susan, can just... Well, if not, I said I could get it and take it over with the pickup.

Yeah.

All right. So we won't... We won't... Right, right.

We won't be lost and found. But, I mean, if a boat, obviously, if a boat.

A boat represents a nautical hazard. Yeah, that's different.

I think we've had different .

Yeah, and we've taken care of those.

Yes. Yeah. Right. Right. Anything that's a hazard. Anything that's a hazard.

Yeah, and it represents a hazard. I guess that if it's just somebody.

The kayak on somebody's dock is not a hazard.

No. Okay. Yeah, that's.

Hazards only.

Good, thank you. Invasive plant treatment and survey, a couple of you people have asked. I confirmed with Nick today, they are coming right after the fourth. Nick reminded me that one year we did it just before the fourth and everybody got up in arms that we were putting herbicides down before the 4th, even though it doesn't make any difference at all. So he's just, he's going to wait till just after to do the survey and then he'll do the herbicide treatment shortly thereafter. He said within a week or two after.

Is it late? Don't we normally do it earlier?

No, we've been doing it right around then.

And that's going to kill lollipops?

No. No, it doesn't kill. It kills milfoil.

I thought the town treated for lily pads on occasion.

Sometimes they'll affect the lily pads and they come back.

It doesn't kill them.

Yeah, they go away for a little while.

I don't think the town does anything. I think it's when they treat it. I remember years ago Mary Jo asked if lily pads are a big problem and I was like, not really. But I guess they were.

It will affect them for a little bit, but they come back.

So we've got, strangely, a lot of lily pads between the two docks at Hume Park, but not in the swimming area. And we'd like to figure out a way to make them go away.

You can pull them out.

We can pull them out. What's a weed raiser?

It's a thing that's shaped like a Y. We throw it out and reel it in and it cuts the lily pads from the lake level, the ground level of the lake.

Okay.

Where would one get that? I don't know where we got it. Because I want a weed raiser, but I don't because they're doing the survey and we have so much. Oh my God, what am I going to do? Right, I think about this. It's a dilemma.

I understand. You can't use your weed razor? Well, they will get invasive.

I have invasive. I want the survey to see that I have them. Oh, I see. But if I weed razor the lily pads to take my jet ski out, because I have to do that, it's going to cut these. And then you won't be. And then.

They won't treat the area because they won't see them.

Right. You need to be treated. Because we're getting more. And I need to be treated. And we're getting more. Me too.

Yeah, you do too.

Got it. But we're getting more because people have the bubbler. That's why I wanted to know if you noticed more weed.

I haven't had more weeds yet.

It hasn't. No. But actually. That's my theory.

Yeah, actually. No, I don't know. Not at this house for sure I haven't. Over where we live, there are some more.

You have a lot. You have a lot of lilies.

Yeah, those have been there forever.

You live in the blue house.

We live in the blue house. We originally, the grandkids call it the brown house. We built that in 2006. And

Then they're all in the same property.

Yeah, this one's on the other side of the lake. You know where Dennis lives? Dennis Overshield.

No. You know where we used to keep the boat?

No, where the patrol boat used to be.

Okay.

Yeah, right in that little cove. There's a brown house there just before the floor. Oh, yep. Yeah, we have that one. And then we bought the one next door to that. My daughter's there also.

Oh, Overshield? Yeah.

Yeah. It's fun. My daughter and her family.

Perfect harmony.

Anyhow, we haven't had more weeds at the Brown House, but we have had some down at Blue maybe. I think I know a place where I get a pond maintenance thing. I'll see if they have that.

And I can send it to you.

Yeah. I like that. I might look at that.

It's awesome.

Yeah. Along those lines, it occurred to me on the way over here that we didn't apply herbicides last year.

We did the survey, but no application.

And so there's a chance that the application may be greater um yeah then for it's going to be more yeah it will be and what i'm we are going to it will have right now we have a balance of 5800 um it's unspent and what i will request from finance is to carry that amount over actually that'll be reduced by the if they get the I request that be carried over because I've got to do the inspection, which is 1,750. So that leaves a net of 4,050 for application of herbicides. We have a budget next year for 11,000. And if you subtract from that. The permit and the inspection it would leave 8,850. What I'd like then is to combine the 4,000 in the 8 and get approval from you now to spend up to 12,000 on herbicides for the application will be coming up sometime in July. If we have it is you know if our next meeting in July there we can I can tell you what the exact number is but rather than.

You know I'd like approval to do that big before before make a motion on our our budget goes what what money.

Okay, we have one more month to go okay and they're going to be bills hitting in that.

And that way let's transfer that now and yeah. I MAKE A MOTION TO TRANSFER THE BALANCE. MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE EXPENDITURE $12,000 NOT TO EXCEED $12,000 FOR HERBICIDE. DO I HEAR A SECOND?

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

reminded Nick we want them to do the full grid survey and he's. You know confirm me some days. We'll get that done in September. Anybody have anything out.

Tony this is your down.

We have a power about so. It doesn't get cut up.

Yeah, but you still want to.

On these things? I haven't noticed them, but I haven't really spent a lot of time down there yet.

I've been thinking about the yard more.

There's a branch outside the white. And I counted up to nine.

I saw that.

It's all lined up.

Yeah, that cracked me up. Yeah.

The resort.

Yeah.

Well, I would, many of us, we'd happily take up residence in the pickleball house.

In the pickleball house, yeah. It looks quite good.

Other people have free houses. Oh, is it really?

I think you have a Gabby. Oh.

Oh, yeah, we're going over there. No, I was here. No. Maybe not.

She thought her brother was.

It's Erica and her kids. She's at a lacrosse game. All right.

Mark, I'm sorry. That was me. I'm actually listening and I've been here for the 731, so we're good.

I know. I was going to tell you, I think we're about to request a motion to adjourn.

I make a motion to adjourn.

All in favor?

Aye.

Thanks, Erica.

Thanks. Bye.