Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I'd to call tonight's meeting to order. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. As we begin our meeting this evening, we'll take a moment to acknowledge that we have a quorum of planning commissioners present with eight of nine commissioners in attendance. Commissioner Breen was unable to join us this evening. I wanna thank everyone in the chamber and online for attending this evening's meeting.

Planning commission meetings are an important part of the process for interpreting and applying the city's comprehensive plan and the unified development ordinance. It's important that our meetings are conducted with dignity and respect, and that applies to every person in attendance. We strive to provide an atmosphere where the ideas and opinions of all participants are held in the highest regard. Finally, the actions on the issues we discuss here are ultimately under the responsibility of the city council. And as a planning commission, we're here to help the council as our elected representatives to be fully informed to make the best choices for our city.

By statute, planning commission strives not to engage with any party on the issues on our agenda prior to our meeting. Should that interaction take place as a result of a business relationship or any other interaction, which we refer to as ex parte communication, Commissioners will report that interaction when we reach that item on the agenda. We'll now move to the consent agenda. This evening, we have eight items on the consent, of which are actually city projects. Commissioners, do you have any comments or anything pulled for addition information from staff?

Okay. Well, that case, I will call for a motion on the consent agenda.

I move that we approve the consent agenda as written.

Thank you, commissioner Brown. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, commissioner Chapman. We'll then have a voice voice vote.

Commissioner Lynn, though, we have one issue before we do a voice vote. Why don't you

Yes. I do need to recuse myself from PR26Dash0006.

Okay. All right. Well, all those in favor of the consent agenda say aye.

Aye.

Opposed, nay. Make a note that that motion does pass eight to zero on item number h p r two six dash zero zero zero six and nine to zero on the remaining items.

Just a quick correction for the record. Eight to eight to zero.

Oh, yeah. Because

Correct. We're down one tonight.

Eight seven. We good? Alright. Correct. Alright. Okay. We'll move on now.

We do have two scheduled public hearings this evening. First public hearing is

a final plat with a vacation of an easement for Stellar Apartments. We already had a public hearing on this development once before that handled the rezoning of the multifamily development, and that was held on 12/22/2025. This is just a vacation for the easement, so we will not be doing a formal presentation. But are there any questions for staff before we proceed to the public hearing on this easement vacation? Commissioner Brigitte.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a quick one. What was the number of units or density per acre on this project?

Emily, senior planner. I apologize. I don't have that in front of me, just based off of the plat information, but I can get that for you and and send it over to you.

Thank you. Mhmm.

Are there any other questions from staff? Do we have a sign up sheet for this item? Thank you. Well, now I'll open the public hearing, but I've now been informed that, no one has signed up for the public hearing. So do I have a motion to close the public hearing? Thank you, Commissioner Lynn. I have a second? Second. Thank you, Commissioner Brigitte. All those in favor of closing the public hearing, aye.

Aye. Opposed, nay. And the public hearing is now closed. Is there any additional discussion needed for this item? If not, I'll entertain a motion for FP26-four.

Mr. Chair, I'll move for approval of FP 20 six-four.

Thank you, Commissioner Corcoran. Do I have a second? Second. Tie goes to Commissioner Taronis. We'll go for a roll call vote. Ms. Will?

Commissioner Corcoran?

Yes.

Commissioner Brown? Yes. Commissioner Taronis?

Yes.

Commissioner Brigitte? Yes. Commissioner Chapman? Yes. Commissioner Seiling?

Yes.

Commissioner Lynn? Yes. Chair Janner?

Yes.

That motion passes eight to zero.

The second public hearing is a request for approval of a rezoning and a preliminary site development plan for Forest View Townhomes. It's located at the Southwest of K 7 Highway and 119th Street. Miss Carrillo is here to present the case.

Yes. Thank you. Emily. Thank you.

Give me

just one second to get everything Okay. Good evening, commissioners. Emily Carrillo, senior planner. As introduced, this is a rezoning and a preliminary site development plan for Forest View Townhomes proposed for the phased construction of 14 townhome buildings totaling 72 residential units. The site is located just South and West of K 7 Highway and 119th.

Surrounding area, you can see here includes Timberstone Ridge, single family development just to the North, Forest View to the South and West, and then previously approved High Meadows multifamily to the North and East of the subject property. The site does contain significant native vegetation and challenging topography, including a stream corridor and generally slopes, to the south and west toward that little, little Cedar Creek shown here on the screen. The request this evening is to rezone the property from the existing county rural zoning district to the r three residential low density multifamily district. Surrounding residential zoning districts, you can see here include single family residential R1 and RP1, as well as RP3, which is a planned multifamily to the north and west, and then the remaining county zone land adjacent to the subject property. Additionally, there are some commercially zoned properties which are located in this vicinity just on the other side of K-seven Highway.

The proposal was submitted and reviewed prior to the adoption of our new Elevate comprehensive plan, was adopted by city council last week. However, while Elevate has still has been adopted, it is not yet implemented through an ordinance and their amendment. And so, therefore, Plan remains the guiding document that this is reviewed under, and so that's what you'll see primarily this evening, in our review and our report. So the site is designated as urban mixed use center and primary greenway on the Plan Olathe future land use map. The requested R three zoning district does align with both land uses, designated in Plan Olathe.

The site also is within the K 7 Corridor study area, which identifies a range of potential uses, including parks and open space as well as low density residential. The proposal is consistent with future land use framework in both Plan Olathe and Elevate. It is also consistent with several policy elements within Plan Olathe, including consistency with the plan, encouraging housing near near services, and support for a variety of housing choices.

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just a second. As mentioned, the development proposes 14 multifamily townhome buildings with a total of seventy two two story dwelling units. Site amenities will include a covered picnic area, walking trails with exercise stations, seating and a covered picnic area. The project will be constructed in two phases per the phasing plan in the packet. We'll start with Phase one, which is the northern portion that you see, there's kind of this dark black line that intersects the property, the northern portion of that is going to be Phase one.

And so that includes Buildings 1 Through 9, that's going to be a total of 48 units, as well as tracks A, B and D. So A and B are really just the common open space areas and amenities included within that phase one, and then Track D is the stormwater down here along the south and west portion of the property. Access to the site will be provided from 119th At Mesquite. The developer is responsible for constructing a 10 foot sidewalk along the south side of 119th as well as an eastbound right turn lane to accommodate the proposed development. And then future phase two includes buildings 10 through 14, so this is approximately 24 additional units, and as well as common tracks C and E in that phase two.

There is also a planned connection there you see to the south that would be incorporated to accommodate that second phase, in the future. No additional improvements are required as determined by the traffic impact study, which was submitted and reviewed by our traffic division. And the applicant is requesting one waiver, to reduce the required corner side yard setback from 20 feet down to 15 feet as outlined in the report. So as you can see here, that would affect in this, proposal buildings 36, and 11. And staff is supportive of this request.

Landscape plan, we have a type three buffer that is required along the south and west portion, which is basically a 20 foot landscape buffer. The applicant is providing a 60 foot buffer that also works to incorporate, the natural vegetation and tree canopy in this area. We also have a 25 foot master landscaping track that is going to be provided along 119th Street, which is consistent with UDO requirements, as well as retaining a portion of the tree preservation there along 119th in this vicinity. And then lastly, a 10 foot type one buffer is provided along the East supplemented with additional plantings and preserved vegetation in this area. The project does preserve approximately 28% of the existing contiguous tree canopy and understory exceeding the, 20% requirement by the UDO.

And, following the neighborhood fee feedback, from the neighborhood meeting, the applicant did work to incorporate some additional preservation there along 119th, which we just kind of addressed, along 119th Street where this was feasible, enhancing further enhancing the corridor's natural character. And then street trees are provided on both sides of local and internal streets. We do have a requirement, multifamily districts require, one tree per dwelling unit, exclusive of street trees and buffer plantings, which is being provided, with this proposal as well as with some of the supplemental, preservation areas included here. And foundation landscaping will be, provided in accordance with UDO standards. The plan does incorporate multiple UDO compliant amenity types providing both active and passive recreation throughout the site.

You can see those areas highlighted here. Amenities include a paved trail system with exercise stations, covered picnic shelter, open play, and yard game areas, as well as the existing trees and stream corridor to be preserved meeting that natural feature requirement in site design category three. Building elevations, again, 14 horizontally attached, townhomes, again, to horizontally attached residential, building category, walkout rear patios, attached single car garages, as well as covered front entries all meeting, and exceeding UDO requirements. A minimum of 75% class one materials is being provided on all primary and secondary facades, so this exceeds code requirements, and they are not asking for any, no waivers are being requested in terms of architecture. Primary materials include stone veneer, genuine stucco, and glass.

There will be a class three lapsed siding, implemented for accent material only. It is a cohesive overall palette of light neutral steel, charcoal, bronze, tan, and natural wood tones. All facades, again, do meet architectural code requirements with no waivers requested. The required neighborhood meeting was held on March 31 with 13 individuals in attendance. Topics, discussed included traffic, pedestrian connectivity and safety, utility coordination, project ownership, parking, and preservation of existing trees along 119th Street.

In addition, to the neighborhood meeting, three letters of public correspondence were received by staff and should be included in your packet, and a lot of those comments reflect similar themes raised at the neighborhood meeting as well. This application does meet the golden criteria for considering rezonings as outlined in our staff report. At this time, staff is recommending approval of rezoning RZ260004, with no stipulations and we are requesting, let me see, we are recommending approval of the preliminary site development plan as stipulated. That first one is the waiver to reduce the corner side yard setback materials and then continuing to work with the residents to try to find additional tree preservation along 119th as well. This item will be considered at the May 19 City Council meeting.

That concludes my presentation this evening. I'm available for any questions. We also have the applicant available, and is available for any questions as well.

Excellent. Thank you, miss Carrillo. We'll start with we'll start with staff. Commissioners, do you have any questions for staff on this project? Commissioner Corcoran?

Quick question. Could you go back to that setback

Can

you turn to Mike? Exhibit. Mike. Could

you go back to that setback exhibit and and just highlight those setbacks, the deviations one more time?

Site plan, you mean?

Yeah.

Is this the exhibit you're looking at?

Yes. Yes. So which of the buildings that you're or or the setback waiver applies to?

Yes. So, Building 3, it would be this corner side yard right here. If you can see that highlighted in red, code would require 20 foot. They're looking to reduce that or asking to reduce that to 15, which is basically in line with the front of these other buildings and same with all of the other. This would still be at that 15 and this would still be at that 15.

Okay. It's all internal?

Correct.

Thank you.

Okay. Are there any other questions? Commissioner Taronis, go right ahead.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for your presentation. I'm very familiar with this area. Sometimes I travel that way to avoid college and K-seven. But if you take a hundred nineteenth from off of K 7, if you go during high traffic areas, it's it's very busy.

And if you're not very careful, can be dangerous. So I'm very familiar with that hundred nineteenth stretch. I take it to sometimes to go farther west in other neighborhoods. My question is the Mesquite I wanna make sure I understand how the Mesquite entryway into the new townhomes, you're gonna add a turning lane. But I'm gonna clear that I understand which way is that turning lane going to be so I understand.

Sure.

Thank you.

Yeah. On the image that you see here, there's going to be a right turn lane added on the eastbound lane. Into the new for access per Mesquite into the proposal the proposed

development. That

that would definitely help because you're having a lot of traffic coming from, oh, Claire. Okay. I wanna make sure I understood that. Thank you.

Uh-huh. Okay. Commissioner Lynn?

Thank you, mister chair. In the question and answer section, there was a question on the on street parking and that there would be says that there's enough, but the total number of on street spaces would be determined and shared. Is there a specific place where they're planning on putting on street parking?

I think what you're referring to is from the neighborhood meeting. Yes. And then maybe the applicant's response to that and kind of their plan for any on street parking. And so I don't know from the city's standpoint if we get involved and we'll regulate that. Without on street parking, they do meet parking requirements with the single car garage as well as the driveway. And then I'm not I'm with on street parking, I think we just handle that as we could sign it if we needed to.

Okay.

If they're with public streets. Are

there any other questions for staff? Commissioner Brigitte.

Thank you, mister chairman. And some of these, if staff can't answer, I have them for the developers. Sure. So my understanding is that there's gonna be a large tree canopy at the at the front. It's 25 foot step back. Will it will you be able to see the development from the Road along 119th Driving by?

I may let the app may have the applicant come up and address this. I will say looking at the image that you see here, this is the area of natural vegetation that's being retained. However, what you see along the north here is a 25 foot landscaped buffer, with above and beyond landscape plantings and trees provided in that area. If there's any visibility, it might be within, let me clear up, kind of in this area, just simply just the proximity of the cul de sac, but those buildings adjacent to 119th. They are considered primary facades, they would have high quality treatment and additional landscaping in those areas along 119th.

Okay. And then the entrance, do we know what that sign's gonna look like? Is there gonna be any natural stone incorporated there? I saw the brick on the buildings.

Yeah. I think at this point where where it's just very preliminary as far as the design, we haven't gotten into that. I will say it's hard to see, but there is kind of a pedestrian gateway located in these two locations. We don't know what that looks like at this point yet. I think that will that detail will come later with final site development plans or even signed permits. So that's something that we can we can take into consideration with that design.

And then throughout the course and discussions, was there any consideration given to the idea of pushing back Buildings 3 And 4 so that they weren't as close under nineteenth, or is the site, make that nonfeasible?

Yeah. I may defer to the applicant, regarding that question as far as the the site layout.

Okay. And I can save that question for them. And then lastly, we did not do a traffic study. Is that correct?

The applicant provided a traffic impact study. Yes.

Okay. Thank you. Mhmm.

Thank you, commissioner Brigitte. Are there any other questions for staff? Sounds like we might want some input from the applicants. So if you could make your way to the podium, please. Just state your name and address for the records.

Sir, do you wanna make sure? I'm just gonna do yours. Okay. That's where I can drive. Yeah. Can you

How do you use the

Let's use this. Scroll. Oh, here. Hold on. Sorry.

Great. Good evening commissioners. My name is Jud Clawson with Phelps Engineering, 1270 North Winchester, Olathe, Kansas for the record, civil engineer for the project. We have our team here with me tonight, Mr. Jeff Gifford with Rod Rock Development, principal with Rod Rock Development, and our team Brad and Clint and Iris with NSPJ Architecture.

They did all the landscape architecture and building architecture, so I may phone a friend and pull them up here depending on your question. But I wanted to just say a couple couple of words and then I'll get into your guys' questions here. You know, it's something that we've worked on here closely with Rod Rock Development. They've owned this property for a very long time. Tried selling it, looked at a few options with maybe some single family there or a single family and really wasn't anything that you know could materialize.

In fact, per the city's comprehensive plans, know, they're looking for something a little more dense here. Not high density but low density multi family and this fits the bill for that site with both the current plan and as well as the future land use plan is about to get adopted. Additionally, the R3 zoning that we're asked for I think goes up to about 15 units to the acre that's allowed. We're at about five, so about a third of it. So we've tried to very thoughtfully figure out how to use the natural resources, use the topography that's incumbent to this site and really create something kind of special here.

And I think you've seen past, the Rod Rock development team's past efforts and successes in what they've built at Forest View and given the chance, I think you're going to see something special here as well with this multi family project. A couple of things I wanted to point out is we did get some great feedback and I thank the residents for taking the time to meet with us at the neighborhood meeting. Following that, Brad and Jeff and I and another engineer from my office met back out at the site to take a look a little closer at what we could do along here because originally we were having this area taken out as well and put in with you know, our gazebo and some of our pedestrian you know, required amenities that are required for the site there. But in looking at it, felt like this area here, can you see my cursor, yeah, there is an opportunity to save a lot of trees in that kind of triangle area right in there. And then as we get a little more towards the west here, there's a pretty good draw in there and the gray drops off and drainage comes through kind of this area down here and continues on down to Little Cedar Creek through that area right there.

And that's where we have our entrance so we're not going to really be able to save a lot there. We also looked at this section right here and you know that area is bermed right now there and we can put a lot of nice new trees on that and really make a significant buffer there. And then on the backside of that berm which would be the south side here where this driveway is, we've actually got a retaining wall in there to make that driveway lower in there so that it's not visible from 100 as you're driving by. So Commissioner Brigitte, I think you asked, do you see this development? Yes, you see the development.

You see pretty much all developments as you go by no matter how thick they are with trees and stuff. But we've really tried hard to, you know, where we can't save trees to do a good job with the Birmingham landscape requirements above and beyond what you know, typically you'd see with the code. This area over here, we did adjust this and created an opportunity to create some more trees in here that we can save and pull this trail back. And you can see from the development we've got you know, sidewalks throughout, trail connections throughout. One thing that you may not know is someday there will be a city trail coming down Little Cedar Creek here and you can kind of see the outline of it in that double line and this will have a connection to that to that trail.

In fact, that trail is on land that was dedicated to the city by the Rod Rock family as part of the overall forest view. There's about 40 acres there that was donated to the city. So that fits in with you know, preservation of trees for the overall area that they had done and it's a value to you know, the Olathe residents and all who live in here for that. I wanted to, one of the questions was, can we slide these buildings further south to create more room? I can't really do that because there is a drainage swell through this area as well as a sanitary sewer line that goes up through here and those easements preclude me from being able to slide that any further.

In fact, if you, I don't know if they can, can maybe see some of that drainage swell right there with some of those contours on that landscape plan there. So I've got these buildings about as far south as I can get those to fit and still keep out of that drainage swell and that sewer easement there. I think someone asked about the entryway stone, that's still kind of work in progress at that point there. We know that we need to provide an entry there, we want it to be an awesome looking entry. We had received some thoughts from the neighbors also about maybe trying to match something that's on the other side.

That's something we're going to look at it, final development plan and see what makes sense there to do. But one way or another we'll have a very nice entry there with a beautiful looking monument sign, great entry, landscaping and so I think it's something that you'll be very proud to see when you see the final development plan come through on that. There's a question about on street parking. This has public, these are public streets through here and that's something that you know, the city of Olathe has a multi family public street standard and we follow that and that meets that verbatim. That does allow for on street parking much like in a traditional residential subdivision and where available such as just like right along here or through here, I mean where we don't have driveways, we can park on the street.

And so you know those are options that are available for extra parking. Of course every single unit has a garage, a single car garage. Every unit has enough parking in the driveway for a second car as well. So the ordinance as far as meeting parking requirements is fully met, but we've also provided that on street option as well because we know that you know those things happen and those needs are real. With that, we are accepting of the stipulations and if there's additional questions or follow-up, I'm available to answer as well as our entire team here. So thank you for your consideration tonight.

Thank you, Mr. Claussen. Appreciate you being here. Are there any questions for the applicant? Commissioner Brigitte?

Thank you, mister chairman, and thank you for answering my questions, Judd. A quick follow-up on the traffic study. Saw that it was conducted, was there any specifics in terms of how many additional cars it would add during peak hours or anything like that? Yes.

Bear with me for a minute and I'll pull that up. So we looked at a trip generation study on what was generated by this development. There's a total of 72 units between both phases. That's going to generate about six to seven trips a day per unit. So that's about over the entire twenty four hour period, that's about four forty seven trips during that twenty four hour period.

Now break that down, what's important for traffic engineers always is what's happening during the AM peak hour, what's happening during the PM peak hour. And what we found is that in the AM, there's 23 trips out. Everyone's and that's the significant amount, 23 out of 30 in the AM are going right and heading out towards likely K7 on their way to work. So it's going in the same direction everyone else is going in the morning. So it's head, they're head and knees to get to other areas where they can get on K7 or maybe go further east into Olathe.

In the PM, it really reverses. The inbound is 23 and the outbound is 14 so again, a lot more traffic coming in during the PM coming into the development and again, kind of in the same direction everybody else is coming in. Now just to kind of give you a picture of that, 23 out and 23 in, that's about on average over that hour, about one car every little less than three minutes. Now it doesn't happen every three minutes. They platoon and some happen sooner and stuff, but that's the average over that peak hour period.

Okay. Thank you.

Are there any additional questions for the applicant? Mr. Brown?

Mr. Clausen, when you did your traffic study, was that only done on a Hundred 19th Street or did that include Claire also?

No. We we just looked at a Hundred 19th Street and the trip generation that this development would would put on a Hundred 19th Street.

Okay. Any additional questions for the applicant? Thank you for being here.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. So we will move on to the public hearing portion of this issue. Just to get some guidelines on how the public hearing operates, we do have some people signed up, and I'll call you individually when it's your turn to speak. Cross you'll go to the diocese or the podium over here. Across, you'll see a timer over here.

Each person has up to five minutes, to express whatever views they would like to. When you come to the podium, please state your name and address. And then also, we know there was a neighborhood meeting, and we have the transcript of the questions and answers that were handled during that period. So we know all that information. We know that there was some submissions to the planning department regarding the issues on that.

We've everybody at the dais up here has had full opportunity to read and go through all of that. Our purpose of our public hearing is to we're looking for new information. Okay? If there's something that you feel was overlooked in any of those prior comments through the process of what got us up to this point, that's what we're looking to hear anything new. You know? So the same would go if you're not the first speaker. If there are speakers after you that are saying the same thing that you intended on saying, we're good. We don't need we don't need to necessarily hear the same thing, on each speaker. So if, if you're the last person on the list and everything on your list has been addressed, it's okay to pass on your time. You're not required to get up and use the five minutes.

It's entirely up to you. Alright? So we will move forward. So I will now open the public hearing. And the first person signed up is Patrick Martin.

Wasn't expecting to go first. Sorry.

Jack, can you check to see if that make sure that microphone is still on?

Can you hear me?

Oh, okay.

There you go. Okay.

Yep. Speak into it. Yep.

So I'm in Timberstone Ridge Please state

your name and address

for the Martin. 23728 West 118th Street.

Thank you.

In Timberstone Ridge. And as we discussed the development across the street with the other residents of Timberstone, traffic is the number one concern that we got. Tonight, to drive here after 06:00 to make a left turn out of Mesquite onto 119th Street, it was about a minute and ten seconds. After 06:00, not during a peak time. If we have four forty seven trips per day making a right turn out across the street, that is going to make that time go up quite a bit.

And that in conjunction with the already approved High Meadows development between Timberstone and K7 of seven seventy two units I think, It's gonna make traffic much worse trying to make a left turn every time we leave. So that's our chief concern as the whole neighborhood. I get, Rod Rock owns that land, Rod Rock bought that land as an investment and they deserve to make money on it. We would prefer it be single family. The second is one I was delegated to speak on for a realtor in our neighborhood that is not here today.

She is concerned about the price point of the units and having a single garage and is afraid that the price will drop and therefore the quality of the maintenance and buildings will drop and she wanted to make sure that that there would be no plan changes if they had trouble selling and that they would still still maintain the Rod Rock high standard that Rod Rock normally sets. I understand Rod Rock has a good reputation. My wife and I, we first moved in to Olathe in a Rod Rock home in 2003 and lived there for twenty years. So they normally build good homes, I've got a very positive feeling for them so I don't want, I'm not here to try to bash them and say they're a bad actor. The concern of the neighborhood is with the traffic and if they a multi family a denser multi family unit across the street could lower the value of our subdivision.

And I'm getting a blinking yellow light so I'll wrap it up.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Martin. Patricia Martin, next on the list.

Okay. Put the mic down.

Yes. Thank you. I just can't see over the mic, nobody can see me.

We you're good. Wait to see you.

Oh, perfect. Thank you. Alright. I am Patricia Martin, 23728100 and I'm the Timberstone Ridge HOA President. So first and foremost, I wanna thank, Jed Claussen for addressing a lot of the concerns that we discussed in the neighborhood meeting.

That was fantastic. Thank you. That was amazing. And then I also wanna thank, city planning and the commissioners because you guys do a lot of work with planning, long term plan planning, and meeting the needs of this city that my husband and I have lived in for over twenty years, as he mentioned. So thank you for the excellent job that you do for all of us.

So as he alluded to, we moved into a Rod Wrap community. We started building in 2002, and then we moved in in 2003. So we know the quality of the work. We absolutely loved our house. It was gonna be our forever home until I got the itchies right around COVID time because I had always had Forest View Envy and that little topsy-turvy area that you go down on clear, and it's got those beautiful magnificent trees.

And then there was access to Cedar Niles, and Timberstone became available, and it was just love of first sight. I got a lot where I have sunset views, Florida sunset views, so, you know, that was my life. Many of the Timberstone Ridge residents moved there because we love our trees. We loved our green space. We love that enclave. We love that area. We never anticipated, and I'm sorry, Jeff. We just never thought that that was gonna be multifamily. We just never expected it. I understand it is a triangular, difficult, challenging lot to build in.

It's a triangle. It is steep. It is a difficult piece of land to build on. We just never thought it was gonna be anything other than single family or something that was gonna be, you know, like a, you know, maintenance provided, you know, type natural vegetation preserved lot. So that's kind of where our residents feel, in conjunction with, you know, the traffic, issues that we have.

I've personally almost caused an accident using the crosswalk, that has been put on, and, mister Toronis, you've, alluded to that streets being super busy and across Mesquite. I've used the crosswalk. We had the almost three car mashup because I pressed this crosswalk and three cars stop or the one car stopped and three cars behind them did not. So it is a very busy street. People don't know.

They go faster than they're supposed to. And I understand the traffic study, but I think there is a lot that happens there with the high school students coming through trying to get on to West, and using Claire. And we met with the city, so we understand long term plans for a Hundred 19th Street and all that. But I just feel like a little bit more consideration and thoughtful thoughtful planning with what's happening with the traffic would be really helpful. So, overall, I'm rambling a little bit.

I went off script because things were said that went off my, my speech, but that's the general takeaway. So I appreciate your thoughts and consideration and your hard work for all of us, both the bill team and the city and city planning. Thank you.

Thank you, miss Martin. And next up, forgive forgive me if I don't pronounce this correctly, Pam Ranson?

Ronson.

Ronson. I was so close.

My name is Pam Rosin, and I live at 12172 South Solomon Road. I live in Forest View. We were not notified of this in Forest View. There's over 600 homes there. We were not a part of the neighborhood meeting, so we didn't know about it until we saw the sign on 119th.

The concern I have is for the traffic that comes down Clare and then on to 119th forward and backward. And the amount of cars added with the townhomes also that it would be affiliated with our development called Forest View. And what would that signify in our neighborhood being affiliated with that in the Forest View title? And is it a part of our development? Is it not going to be a part of our development?

Would they have access to our facility, a pool, and things like that, because they won't have that there. And most of all, they did a traffic study, the city on Clare, and said we didn't need any stop signs, we didn't need any lights, but they were talking about roundabouts. And with a roundabout, it makes it really hard for the school kids to cross a roundabout to get from one side of Clare to the other to go to school. And then you have the high school coming through to the kids. So I guess the concern is more also traffic, but just the affiliation with it being called Forest View with our neighborhood.

So thank you.

All right. Thank you, Ms. Rosin. Terry Rosin.

Oh, okay. I

can probably come up with another.

Five minutes isn't enough, but I'll try to make it quick. Everybody's pretty much said what I was going say anyway. But property value was probably the biggest thing to me. But after looking at some of the 100 And Nineteenth's plans, and I don't know the long term plans for 119th Street if this went through, I saw that there was going be a right hand lane coming off of Clare going west, right, that they were going to have to go into the townhomes. Was that did I understand that correctly?

Eastbound. It's

eastbound. Eastbound. But my okay. So my other question is, how about when you're coming west bound and you got to take a left into Forest View Townhomes? There's only a two lane road, one lane going west. So my friend over here, Patrick, who I don't know, you're never going to get out. Right. Okay? So I mean, there's just traffic is a real problem. We're really kind of boxed in in the Forest View area, quite honestly.

Timberstone's a little closer to the K 7 than we are, but we have an awful lot of traffic as you guys know from Gardner even, you know, that comes down through Claire because there's really no access from Santa from Santa Fe to 119th Street. There's no way really to get to K 7 between. Right? So it's quicker to go Claire than it is to go through the traffic lights at Parker and K-seven and going north on K-seven. So it's a real for lack of a better way to say, it's a real cluster in the mornings there.

It's very difficult. And we live off of Solomon, so even getting on to Clare off of Solomon is very, very difficult. So there's really got to be a lot of time and energy spent, I think. Because these kids that are going to be moving into the 72 multifamily homes, they're not just going to go east to K-seven. They're going to be going to school too. So they're going to be going west out of that development and going up to Clare and going south on Clare to the elementary school, junior high, and high school. So again, just that much more traffic on a day to day basis.

Thank you. Before you leave the podium, sir, can you just state your name and address for the record?

Oh, sorry. It's Terry Rosin at 1200172 South Solomon Road. I'm with her.

Appreciate that. Thank you.

Thanks, sir. Joshua Jones.

Good evening. Joshua Jones. 11841 South Kenton Street, Timberstone Ridge For Lot 24 directly north of the proposed development. Thank you for hearing all of our concerns, traffic being a key one everyone wants to address, and I know long term plans for improvements along 119th And Clare are in the works. I think it'd be smart to advance some of those, especially at Clare, maybe further into city planning and put into effect some safer instances for that area.

As far as this development's concerned, I applaud the developer for trying to help preserve more of the natural tree line. I think there's more that can be done. Just looking at the way that the corridor is constructed, the investment of people in our neighborhood in Timberstone Ridge as well as Forest View of maintaining what's naturally already in place along one hundred nineteenth in the corridor from a forested area, from a natural terrain, potentially reduction in the number of units to bring those areas a little bit further south would be a good investment. So just one of those areas that we talked about in the review meetings and also just the consideration of lowering the density of the units and maybe looking for adding those in a future phase depending on how things go. The look and feel of the space, I think everyone's heard the different concerns on how people view it from a hundred nineteenth.

I think the construction of what Rod Rock does is is excellent. There's no concern there. I'm not concerned with how the place would be built. It would be more the way it is placed, the density of the units, access. I second the idea of potentially a left turn lane coming in off of 119th as you're heading west and again looking at long term plans for how you improve the safety along 119th for pedestrians as well as people that live in the area.

The idea of future phases and connections to the east of this, there's a 40 acre lot that's been for sale. I think we did talk about future plans and roads for phase two of this development. Should definitely be taken into consideration. It does tie back further into the density concerns as well as street construction, location of buildings, setbacks, easements, everything else that goes along with, again, that pretty unique passage through 119th as you head west. So, if you could just please understand the the emphasis of the natural terrain, the presence of what's happening in that area, the investment of the people that have built there already, wanting to welcome in again additional residences that are built and planned the proper way to again stay with the feel and ambiance of the area.

Thank you.

All right. Thank you, Mr. John. That is the final speaker we had. So I will call for a motion to close the public hearing.

So moved.

Thank you, Commissioner Brigitte. Do I have a second?

Second.

Thank you, Commissioner Brown. All those in favor, aye.

Aye.

Opposed, nay. And the public hearing is now closed. Are there any additional discussion for this item?

Thank you, Chair. Commissioner Chappell. Ms. Carrillo, could you bring up the map that shows Mesquite? And I think it's what High Meadows. Is that the complex there near K 7 And 119th?

Yes. Emily Carillo, senior planner. Is this the map you're referring to, just the aerial?

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Thank you. A couple of questions. High Meadows, that is the complex going in currently?

Yeah, so this is Mesquite that goes into Tiberstone

Ridge. Right.

And so the entrance to the proposed development would align to the south.

And then when I'm talking High Meadows, that's where the apartment complex is being constructed?

Yeah. It is in this

And where will its ingress, egress be off of a Hundred 19th Street?

I may have to.

Will there be one?

Yeah. There absolutely is, but I don't have that in front of me. May have to defer to either our our planning manager or chief development officer, Chad.

Okay. And then with regards to a Hundred 19th Street, is it it's a it's a it's a nice two lane road, but it's a two lane road. Has there was there any discussion about a left turn lane turning into this proposed development that would give some possible flow of traffic?

A left turn lane into the proposed development. Yes. Yeah. I will defer to to Chet Belcher, our chief development officer.

Yeah. Chet Belcher, chief community development officer. Answer the first question first. The entrance into the High Meadows subdivision will be about a thousand feet west of the ramps. They're being constructed, so that's about as close as Kate Huddle allow axe full access

to a to

a road. The left turn lane into the site based on the traffic study was not warranted at this point. But I will say that with every phase, we do require a new traffic study. So even High Meadows, when they come in, we'll have to do a new traffic study to get a new baseline for what's happening in the neighborhood. So it's not a it's not an opportunity lost at this point. We do monitor it and just make sure we we mitigate traffic as it happens.

And and have we done any traffic study at this point in to identify what the traffic flow will be like when High Meadows is fully occupied?

Yeah. We did. And, honestly, 75% to 80% of that traffic goes between High Meadows, which is actually Dunraven will be the street that goes there, and K 7. So another piece of High Meadows, we'll start talking about that. There'll be a Dunraven will connect all the way front through High Meadows all the way north to College Boulevard. So that's to help relieve some of the traffic on K 7 and other areas out here. So there's a lot of planning left to do and as things happen, we'll continue to monitor and adjust requirements as as need be. Okay.

And a couple more questions then. With regards to Mesquite going north of 119th Street, was there any discussion about a right turn lane off of 119th Street heading west that would allow traffic going into Mesquite heading north away, an exit ramp there?

Yeah. There is a right turn lane there currently.

There is one currently there?

Yep.

Okay. Then my last question is, since we seem to like roundabouts nowadays, is there any discussion about perhaps making that a roundabout right there at that intersection of Mesquite?

At Mesquite, no. That hasn't been brought up. We we are looking at c the CIP project right now. The committee is looking at projects out there throughout the city to recommend to the city council. I will say Mesquite, the likelihood of that happening is extremely low. And I'll say that because typically on a roundabout, you're looking for a little bit more balance on each leg. So if you get a lot of through traffic on that Hundred 19th Street, it'll be actually be a little bit more challenging for traffic to get out into there. So you're really looking for balance on all three or four legs depending on the configuration roundabout. So there'd be a really big imbalance on this. Okay.

Alright. Thank you. Yep. Okay.

Commissioner Brown?

It's been referenced several times and even in our packet of proposed work on hundred nineteen and Claire. This might be an unfair question. Where is that in the CIP as far as time out?

Yes. You have Belcher's Heath, community development officer. It is not in the five year CIP. It is on I will tell you it's on the ranking sheet right now. We're looking at 56 projects throughout the city, and it is on the ranking sheet. It's all gonna depend on what the city count well, first budget and where that line gets cut on the CIP. But ultimately, it'd be the decision of the city council, but it is not in the five year CIP right now.

Thank you, Chad. Another question. I believe that in the past, we've also approved apartment complex that's North Of High Meadows. Is this correct?

That's correct.

Will there be North South Street that goes from College to Hundred 19th Street through both those apartment complexes.

Correct. Yep.

So Hundred 19th Street, when all is said and done with both both apartment complexes, that won't be the only only exit from High Meadows then. They could go north to college. That's correct. Thank you.

Okay. Commissioner Lynn.

Thank you, mister chair. So I still have concerns about the on street parking. I recognize that this is within what the city requires. But it looks to me like the spaces between the driveways are only 10 foot ten eleven or 10 foot 10 inches, which is narrower than what an average car might be. So there should not be any I would think that that would not be available for on street parking with such a a narrow space between the driveways. Is that I mean, is that correct? And if so, is that something that city monitors? I I worry about the safety. If kids running around, can't see there's too many cars in the way.

Yeah. Chad Belcher, chief community development officer. So, yeah, those are public streets, so there is it is allowed by right. However, if there are challenges expressed by citizens within that neighborhood of being able to access their driveways, obviously, we can't allow blocked driveways, but in some of those areas that mister Clauson pointed out where there aren't driveways, even if those become a challenge, there's a path forward for those residents who come to the city. We go out and evaluate, and we can always have the ability to put up no parking signs. I mean, we we try to avoid it as much as possible because, honestly, it create it is a traffic calming situation with having cars on there, so it helps keep people from going through the neighborhood too fast. But, yeah, to your point, we always do, reserve that right to restrict parking.

And is there grassy areas between the driveways?

Yeah. Okay.

Alright. Thank you.

Any other questions staff? Okay. Seeing none, no additional. I will call for a motion on the item.

Mister chair, make sure I've got the right I'll make that motion. Mister chair, I recommend that we approve RZ26Dash0004 as stipulated by staff.

Thank you, commissioner Charnos. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, commissioner Seiling. Roll call vote, please, miss Will.

Commissioner Chapman? Yes. Commissioner Seiling? Yes. Commissioner Lynn? Yes. Commissioner Corcoran?

Yes.

Commissioner Brown? Yes. Commissioner Torones? Yes. Commissioner Brigitte?

Yes.

Chair Janner?

I just had to take a moment to say to, you know, pass on, you know, to the city council that, you know, traffic is obviously the the biggest issue that we're seeing here, and it's not on our current CIP ranking. I I just encourage them to take a close look and make sure that as this does become warranted, that it moves up the priority list and the so the issues that are being addressed, that if those traffic problems do materialize, that we're in a position to correct them in a timely fashion. So that being said, I will also vote yes.

That motion passes eight to zero.

Okay. Are there any announcements this evening?

Nope. None this evening. Just a reminder that we do only have one planning commission meeting in May. Okay. So we do not have the second May meeting due to Memorial Day. Thanks.

So you don't have to work on Memorial Day. You're good. Alright. This meeting is hereby adjourned. Thank you for being here.