Town Council - Special Meeting

Is that? Yeah. Should I move forward? Is that? Yeah.

we're still paying down 2.2 million, and we're looking at a project of over 2 million, and we're trying to figure out how to put together all of that with the money available to us, knowing that grants are, we're still paying down 2.2 million, and we're looking at a project of over 2 million, and we're trying to figure out how to put together all of that with... We're still going to pay it down to $2.2 million. And we're looking at new projects. And we're thinking beyond five years. I'm not sure.

Can we try to think beyond five years? I would say yes.

Five years. I think the other five years.

I would just say, in response to the criticism, we've only finished one section of the final policy. So let's continue. I mean, do you think would there be value in potentially having, like, sections that have, you know, goals, policy, you know, maybe, like, I would just say, you know, it's a good point, because I would just say, you know, it's a good point,

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Heritage Farm Park. So, you know, I'm just saying that if could front it and you and the town, some future council needs the space, I would rather see the fields be done in Town Park where they're already of those things and limit intrusion in Heritage Farm Park.

So you're saying put like a ball field in the large practice field?

I'm just saying that I understand what Ann is saying but if you're asking me to now evaluate the 140 as one park I would say I'd rather keep the Harmony of Heritage

in large practice people. See, and I have the opposite view. I would put it in Heritage Farm Park. This large active farmland area, the area around the parking lot would be the most ideal space because it wouldn't be seen from Linville Road, from Oak Ridge Road, it would be Nestle Inn. We're going to be talking about active farmland at some point in time. It's not going to be active farmland in 30 years.

Well, I hope it will be. So I disagree respectfully. The character of that park is so different and what people value so much. And I hear it from people every week is how beautiful that open space is and how that makes. You know, the surrounding for the veterans honor green and the surrounding for the trails. So wonderful and they like Oak Ridge town park too, but it's very different. So preserving that different character. I would prioritize the preservation of the scenic view along Oak Ridge Road as well as the, of the active farmland.

Yeah. And for me, everything that on 150, including active farmland, Pine Lot 1, active farmland, and Pine Lot 2, totally agree. And I'm... I'm even saying a good portion of the active farmland in the center, probably half or more of that. But what I hear from people is, can we play in that field? And they're talking about up there at the – the Veterans Honor Green in that flat area up at the top of the hill and over, well, that's active farmland. And if it's not mowed, it's not kept at that point. So people are already asking, can we play there? So I would say future state, that that would be where I would be considering nestling additional facilities.

In between the parking lot and the Veterans Honor Green, you put something?

Probably, yes, something like this.

But what about this area beyond the Veterans Honor Green?

Do you really want to put a soccer field in front of the Veterans Honor Green? Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, so what I'm saying is this area right here.

Are you saying have that mode kind of like the large practice field and small practice field?

It could be practice field. I think that would be the smartest thing. You level it and you plant Bermuda grass, but you don't put fences up or anything like that and make it as easy as possible for Parks and Rec just to keep it so people can picnic there. They can go out there. They can play soccer or whatever. Yeah. We're filling up the athletic fields while these teams are standing around it waiting to go on there, and they're over in these corners near the Lions Den and these other places, and they're kicking balls, and they're over here at the sports court area, which is going to go away. So they're going to go somewhere as we get more popular. And again, that's all future state, but that would be where my head would run to.

So, if we're looking at, like, we have, we talked a little bit about long term aspirational, but also we frame this frequently as a 5 year strategic plan. What new facilities or amenities.

Either of those. Okay. Within the next five years, I think that we're probably going to get pressure for more. What do we call it up here? Practice fields. for instance. Again, not the fully graded goalposts and everything, but like we have here that are maintained so that people can gather out there. We had the feedback about the group of adults that wanted to play soccer and things like that. If we had an open field where anybody could go out there and set up corner cones and things like that, problem solved.

But more than what's already available at the large practice field. Do we need to grade it out a little better?

Well, the large practice fields are... When I was coaching football over there, when the park first opened up, we picked up buckets of rocks beforehand. And the problem was that... And you were there. The problem is that standing... here and looking, it's like, oh, you know, that's nice. When you stand on it, you're either running uphill or downhill. It's not graded for a practice field. It's more of, to Ann's point, it's more of the look and feel of a pasture, passive, you know, it's an introduction to the park. But it is absolutely not graded what anybody would want to practice football, soccer, baseball, or anything on.

You're talking about those open spaces over there?

Yes. Okay. Yeah.

I mean, what do we, or why don't we consider, we talked about, like, what we agree on preserving. So, like, that could clearly be one policy is preserve, you know, active farmland one, pine plot one, active farmland two, pine plot two along Oak Ridge Road. That could be one policy, right? I mean, we all agree on that. Maybe.

Well, I think we have that in here, the scenic view along Oak Ridge Road.

But I think we more clearly defined it, just so that...

I think it's clearer. Nobody's going to know what happened.

Right, I tend to agree. This is what Brock's guys call it, you know, and what Brock calls it. I think that it does list out the scenic view along Oak Ridge Road at Heritage Farm Park for as much as feasible through compliance with the Part F grant and consideration of possible conservation easing. Are there any restrictions along Oak Ridge Road from Part F?

I don't think so. So then you take that out. Well, I think what Part F... Essentially, you can't develop Heritage Farm Park. You could sell it to a private concern to do something non-park related.

Yeah, we could take that out at this point. I think that's right.

So we would take it feasible through consideration of possible conservation easements?

I would keep that in there, consideration of possible conservation. No, that's what I'm saying. For active farming areas and pine.

Could we just say between the walkway and 150? Because that's what we're talking about, right?

Well, it's the scenic view of Ridge Road.

Well, I don't think we have consensus on that right now, though.

So I'm saying at least the part that we do have consensus is between the walkway and 150. You wouldn't put a conservation easement on just that little strip by...

You wouldn't think conservation easement. I'm just saying as a policy to preserve between the walkway and 150.

I think the scenic view along Oak Ridge Road covers it.

I don't think so. When I read that, I didn't know what it was talking about, so that's just me.

I guess I... You don't know what a scenic view is, or you don't know what Oak Ridge Road is? How far is a scenic view? I just think it's clear to say... It goes to what you can see from Oak Ridge Road. That's what's in... That's in the historic district, and that's one of the reasons we have a historic district, is because of... Remember, this is all historic farmland here, and the historic view into that farmland... Then how far can you see?

Can you educate me? About halfway. About halfway. Is that halfway?

Okay. So, if you were standing at Oak Ridge road, and you were looking towards the water tower, looking towards the veterans honor green and everything, then about half of this amount, it disappears over a note.

Okay. But I think there are two things being said in this statement. It actually isn't as clear as I think we meant it to be back then when we wrote this, but we want to preserve the scenic view and we wanted to put a conservation easement on all of the active farmland.

No.

Those are two separate things. Well, that was the idea. I'm telling you, historically, that's how the park was planned and that was the goal. It's not putting a conservation easement on it, preserving it for active farming. Now, I have a question this area up that goes up this little green area. That Mike was agreeing that should remain open. Isn't that active farmland too?

No. It was, but council about this time last year asked me to maintain that because as you drive in, they wanted the Veterans Honor Green and all of that.

Well, and the request came from the folks with the Veterans Honor Green. And it did look bad before. Until Brock's guys started mowing it whenever you were going up there. It looks scraggly. Okay. Okay.

Thank you.

Are we live again, Sean?

Okay. I'm not quite sure where to pick up.

How did you come up with something?

I mean, there seems to be... A split on if we were to need additional facilities, a practice field, for instance, the best location to put that facility. And I think the discussion needs to be whether small increases in active recreation needs to be prioritized On the practice fields at town park, or in the location that Mike identified at heritage farm park.

So it's a 5 year strategic plan and the likelihood is in the next 5 years. We're not going to be in a position to build. Additional fields from a call standpoint. Is our unless we get grants or anything, you know, the state comes through or the county. then in view of that, would the policy make the most sense just to state small increases in active sports facilities may be accommodated at the town parks?

Period? Period.

Yeah, I'm okay with that.

Yeah, I mean, again, the Brock exercise was to We couldn't understand the 20% because we didn't know what we had to begin with. So I'm okay with that.

Did you say active sports facilities or just active facilities?

Small increases in active sports facilities. Because I consider the practice fields facilities.

Sure.

Okay. So whether it's a physical structure or something that's built, whatever the case may be. What did you say?

Active recreation. What about that?

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Small increases in active recreation. Should we leave facilities in or not?

I just active active recreation accommodates both like a practice field.

That's semi passive or parking or I mean, the need for has been brought up.

Yeah. Small increases in active recreation may be accommodated at the town parks. Okay.

And then on the 2nd policy, I have the scenic view along Oak Ridge road, a heritage from park will be preserved as much as feasible.

And my suggestion was through consideration of possible conservation easement. Take the compliance with Part F grants out.

Through consideration of a possible conservation easement. Okay.

Three more policies related to active and pass.

I did have a question. Continue to explore long-term viability of farming, the open undeveloped portion of Heritage Farm Park, evaluate other uses. What does that mean?

Well, my takeaway from the notes I had was that you didn't want to label possible additional types of uses that could be Agritourism was how I would say it, but that wasn't... And agritourism to me just means like something natural or agricultural related that people would like to be around or like to see, you know? And I mean, it's like Sandra's example of a tulip field or a pumpkin patch or a community garden or something like that.

But one of the key was farming.

Why urban?

I couldn't say farming. Yep.

Um, okay. Evaluate other uses. I'm not sure we need that. If we are already saying, continue to explore the long term viability of fine farming, the open and undeveloped portion of. Heritage from park what I understood from our last discussion was that people didn't want to name the sort of other options. So, if we just say the long continue to explore. Is there a better way to say that Sandra?

I think it's fine. What's that? So, I like it how it is. I think it's clear.

Should we say evaluate other uses?

I think it's just saying that is it viable to sell farm if it's not a value and other uses.

I mean, well, I think it's implied.

So. I just don't want, I don't really want, I mean, even though someday we may, you know, cut off some of that and do a field or something, I don't really want to say that's open for evaluation for any other use. We want to encourage, because we've just said we want to encourage the preservation of a pretty good portion of it.

I think what's implied is evaluate other uses that maintain the open and undeveloped space.

to evaluate other options for maintaining the open space?

So are we talking about the scenic vista still or all the active farms?

It would clarify itself to me if the evaluate other uses were, evaluate other, what's the term I want to use here? Active recreation.

That would be a different meeting. Yeah, that's completely, but that we can do a different, but the intent here was. Was to evaluate other. Uses that would maintain the open and undeveloped nature of it. If that's not what you want to do, then I think we just, yeah, I would prefer on my notes.

I have. I would prefer to strike through the long-term viability. So it would just really continue to explore farming, the open and undeveloped portions of Heritage Farm Park. And again, my thing was, is that evaluate other active.

But there's parts of this that's in conflict with 1.2. Yeah.

Yeah.

Because you need to, because you're wanting to preserve that scenic view, so you need to exclude out that section of that. Because that's an area that you're saying no development other than passive recreation. in those areas.

What if we went back to the 1.2.2 and we say, as much as feet will be preserved, that we're talking about the part you can see from Oak Ridge Road, will be preserved as much as possible through, what does it say, Bill? Consideration of a possible conservation easement and continuation of Farming and other options, something like that. Farming or other options that will maintain the open space. To maintain the open space.

Well, I think we, kind of what you're saying, but in positive 1.2.4, if we revise that to say, evaluate other passive uses for the scenic view farmland.

Well, I don't want to do that. I don't want to just turn it into a picnic area myself. I love the farming.

But I'm saying if we say that long-term viability of farming isn't happening, we need to determine what to do in that scenic view. And I'm just saying that we wouldn't say active there.

Your intent is to provide the natural and natural.

Yeah.

That's what I'm trying to say, I guess.

I'm less concerned about the farming part and

more interested in the view right that's that's farming is a really good way low staff impact is a really good way to maintain that open space otherwise you have to maintain with a bunch of guys well i think that's i think that's where there's confusion is because when they're using farming there's uh

Farming can also mean as more of a commercial type use where we're wanting, we don't want somebody to come in there and plow it up to make cornfield or we're actively doing that. We like it as the grass. Why would we not want somebody to plow it up for cornfield? Well, I mean, or... or soybeans or something like that.

The name of the park is Heritage Farm Park. The point of the park was to preserve active farmland in our community as open space for the beauty and enjoyment of our citizens and to maintain that scenic view.

The only thing I'm concerned about is the scenic view.

I think you're saying two different things, or two complementary things, but it sounds like two things versus one thing. So one thing is a scenic view to where you can have a scenic view with botanical gardens and nature preserve, but you're saying you want a scenic view and active farmland, right?

I think it's because it says a scenic view at Heritage Farm Park will be preserved. I think it implies that the view that you see now is the view that you want to see in the future. That's correct. Yeah. And that's where I was getting at. Which is like the hay field and the pine plots.

So if it's not farmland there, then it would just be mowed grass?

You can leave it as is. He's only mowed it twice a year. It's not like it has to be mowed.

I think we need to clarify that and say, because it's, again, my understanding, I had a different understanding. So if it's 1.2.4, I thought it was if you can't farm it.

What if you say continue to explore the long-term viability of maintaining the open and undeveloped portion of Heritage Farm Park, whether that's farming

Well, I think we've already just said that's interesting. Maybe these are contradictory. We do want to preserve. And I think we should say, I think that's why I think we should incorporate into one point. 2.2 consideration of possible conservation easement and. Maybe put it first and continuation of acting farming as feasible or something. In other words, there may come a day, and this is how 1.2.4 came up when we created this plan, is we said, what if there comes a day when Sam and Kyle can't farm it anymore? Are we gonna be able to find someone else? I think we probably can, and Sandra may wanna speak to this. But if we can't, are there other uses that are similarly complimentary to, as you were saying, keeping the scenic view.

So that's what I was saying, evaluate other passive uses in the scenic view.

There's a reason we don't see tobacco fields from Greensboro to Oak Ridge.

There's actually about 10 acres right behind the Justin Bedmore house. Well, there's some off of Stafford Mill Road.

Yeah, and it's sad, isn't it? I mean, this is a great thing that we're doing.

But here's the thing. There's not a swinging person on the town council or in this town that says, well, by damn, whatever it takes, we're going to keep these farmlands. No, that's how all of our neighborhoods were developed.

But that's what we're doing here is we're... With the exception of me. With the exception. Mine wasn't farmland either. But what we're doing here is we're saying, this one we have control over and we're keeping it. That was part of the whole goal of buying that property and developing it as Heritage Farm Park.

Let's be clear. The name was one of four that were proposed, okay?

But it reflected best the intent of the plan.

But in this town, I'll bet you there's not 5%, and I would probably go as low as 2% of people that ever worked a farm in this town.

But I'll bet you there are 92% who really appreciate that.

Okay, so that's it. Growing up in a farming community myself, there is the amount of labor that gets into farming is not what, that type of intense stuff is not what we want there. I think that what we like there is what Sam and Kyle are doing currently right there. And we don't want anything more intensive. a whole different realm of things even if it even if it is those things like i mean yeah a cornfield would look great out there but does a cornfield after it's been harvested and it's drying out out there. And then we're getting into what type of...

I think it would look great, yeah.

Yeah, but then you're getting... But then you get into, do we allow pesticide use? Do we allow all this other stuff?

And then do we... Well, that's not what we have in mind.

That's why my position is more about the seeming view and not...

Well, how about this continue to explore the long term viability of farming the open and undeveloped portion of heritage farm park to evaluate other passive uses. To maintain the scenic view along Oak Ridge road.

Yeah, because, I mean, let's just say Kyle and Sam weren't farming that and mowing it twice a year. I mean, you could just leave it as is year round, whether it's farmed or not. I mean, I think you're getting into the weeds of the actual farming. No pun intended. I like that, Bill. I like it.

you because eventually eventually you start seeing little maple trees so at some point you're going to have to maintain something and all you got to do is come to my house I'll walk you out 50 yards and you can see where if you're not taking care of with fertilizer and occasional sprays of broadleaf you know, it begins to get pretty ragged like the only thing you could do is push off the thing You have to have some level of maintenance.

Correct. Now, I wasn't intending on saying, we're just going to go 10 years without ever mowing it. I mean, you know, every November, December, you'd bush hog it down, and then in the spring, you'd fertilize it. I mean, with minimal maintenance.

I'm just saying you may have to bush hog more frequently because...

I seem to have 4 nodding heads on that new wording. Let's let's move on. Yeah.

Okay.

Um, the policy 1.2.5 again, just like with the. community gardens and so forth, removed all this references to specific elements and just left it as noted in the comprehensive parks and recreation master plan. That was feedback that I understood was given from council.

Yeah, that's good.

Okay.

And you sent that to us. I can't remember.

That was one of the things you sent to us? No, that was from previous time. Yeah, I would have meant to.

Point 3 was about trails change that we're providing trail connectivity to improving. Sort of took an emphasis off, like, throughout a bridge and. Stressing that local trails are part of our well. And then adding that we work with the MS policy 1.3.3.

Any any comments on yeah, so on that the town will foster neighborhood recreation uses and I'd like to suggest that we take neighborhood recreation uses.

So, yeah, maybe so what if you just said this is really about connectivity. What if we just said the town will foster. So, yeah, through the private development process, that's something we already do.

And I would skip, you're exactly right. I'm thinking this connectivity. So the way that, and I limited the exploring parks and open space opportunities outside the town core as they arise to just put in there, the town will foster connectivity through the private development process by improving trail and sidewalk connectivity from neighborhoods to parks and open space.

So you're taking out the whole reference to exploring parks and open space opportunity outside the town core as they arise. I don't really see a problem with that because we would do that anyway. If somebody wanted to give us a park or something of an opportunity came up, we would certainly consider it just as we would consider other types of public input or a public donation or a private donation.

And if somebody wanted to sell us a $5 million piece of property, we would say no.

Right. And if they wanted to sell it to us for a dollar, we would say yes. Yeah. If it went through.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know. How important is it that we say we'll consider something as it comes up? Because that's the job of being on a council. We always do that. We don't need to stay in it. What do you think, Bill?

Well, I mean, I think about like the Alma Blaylock property that's on East Carroll Road. That's not in the town core. That's a good point. But it was an opportunity to leverage grant dollars and preserve 40 acres along the floodplain. And council agreed at that time.

What if we said we'll foster the neighborhood recreational uses, blah, blah, blah, blah, and explore... I mean, we really mean other recreational opportunities outside because what we're really doing there is trails and open space and explore other recreational uses. And open space is different though.

Because we also have areas, even outside that, we have for the Buffalo Pit area, all those dedicated areas. Yeah. Areas too.

But that's already, that's captured in 1.4.1. How about this?

The first part of that sentence, and explore other recreational and open space opportunities outside the town core as they arise.

What's the policy for that? Like to support that, you know?

Yeah, that's a great point. Because if we have that as a statement, what is the policy to do that?

It almost seems like it's two separate goals. Like one goal could be about trails and connectivity.

Yeah, and that's the whole thing. And I mentioned this when I started. I read this as being about connectivity. And so I was trying to strip out the neighborhood recreation and the parks and such from this and just deal with the connectivity part. Because maybe you guys are right, maybe there's another goal.

What if we did this in 1.3.1, that's about open space. So I think we should reference open space in 1.3. and other open space opportunities. I don't even think we need to say outside the town core as they arise. And then we say, continue to dedicate public open space and blah, blah, blah, and develop as appropriate or something like that.

Well, 1.3 is about the town parks then.

1.3.1 continue to dedicate public open space along floodplains and trail quarters.

Yeah, my bad. I didn't relabel weird, but yeah.

Um, and develop as appropriate, um, or pursue development as appropriate or something like that.

I think connectivity and trails and open space are all very closely related. So maybe that rather than saying parks. Because that's fundamental to the trail development.

Could we say the town will foster connectivity and open space opportunities through the private development process? So maybe even just period, and then the policies can expand on that.

Well, but I want to say, and as they arise somehow, because the Alma Blaylock didn't come up through the private development process.

But through the private development process and other opportunities. And other opportunities, yeah.

Okay, who has that all written down? Yeah, I missed that.

Yeah, so the town will foster... connectivity and open spaces through the private development process and other opportunities.

As they run.

Yeah, as they rise, true. Because the whole improving trail connectivity, that's covered by all the policies, I think, in there.

So we've said foster connectivity, that's good, and open spaces.

Through the private development process.

And other opportunities as they arise, if you want that in their bill, Jim.

Well, that covers the, yeah.

And if you want to leave that last clause in there by improving travel, some activity for neighborhoods and parks and open spaces. Yeah.

or from the connectivity part.

I think Bill's point on that is that they're very closely intertwined. So I think it's probably a good idea to keep them intertwined here, but maybe we can divide them up in the policies as, I mean, at one point that the, Because when there's open space, a lot of times you use it for connectivity. And when there's connectivity or when there are trails, there's often open space nearby. In other words, like floodplains, you can create trails. That's open space. You can create trails through those.

I mean, but what I just heard you say is a possible two-step process, right? But it goes both ways. Capturing open space is one, and then connectivity within that open space would be part of the larger connectivity thing, including the band-aid or phone. You're talking about connectivity.

Yeah. I don't see the connectivity and exploring parks and open spaces as being... in the same goal. And if they are, then we're going to have to add a policy on what we're going to try to do about it. Well, we forgot the parks part.

What's that? We took out exploring parks. Okay. Didn't we? Yeah. We honed it down to connectivity and open spaces. Bill, what do we have right now?

The town will foster connectivity and open spaces. through the private development process and other opportunities as they are.

Yeah. And yeah, 1.31 has open space. 1.32 has trails. 1.33 has guidelines.

I could work a little bit about that.

One more time, Bill.

The town will foster connectivity and open spaces through the private development process and through other opportunities as they arise and by improving trail and sidewalk connectivity from neighborhoods.

What if we move the improving trail and sidewalk connectivity down to two down, working with the MST committee, the town will support development of the MST throughout Oak Ridge and additional local trails and sidewalk connectivity I would just end it there. Yeah. I don't think we have to say from neighborhoods to parks and open space because it's sort of everywhere. Yeah.

I may touch a can of worms here. Hold on, Sean, don't. Well, this is different. Is that called the MST Committee? Is that called the Trails Committee?

Well, that's not the name of it is the only problem. I'm in favor of considering that at some point, but that's not what it's currently called.

Well, I think within the strategic plan, that's what we need to probably call it as the trails committee. The town will support development of the MST. Across a bridge and additional local trails, because that bronze it out because when you say it's the MST committee, that just specific.

Yeah, that's why we added on an additional local trail. So please close that can of worms because we can't refer to a committee that we don't have. Yeah. If we change the name of that committee, we can change it in here. Yeah.

Okay, so we're good with the goal.

Yeah. And can we move that in 2 down from there? 1 or 2.32, the town will support development of the and additional local. Trails. and sidewalk, well, I guess they don't do. I was trying to move down from that first goal.

But even if they don't do sidewalk connectivity, it could still be a discussion with them about trails versus sidewalk.

I was trying to move down that reference to trails and sidewalk connectivity, incorporate that into the one that starts working with the MST committee.

I can do that. There's also, we talk about sidewalks separately from the committee trails that sidewalks are part of trails, right?

Okay. Then that works too. Are you okay with that? Mike?

I'm trying to find, I see working with the committee, the town will support development of the throughout Oak Ridge. Is that what you're talking about? Yes.

And additional trails and sidewalk. Yes. Yeah. Bill, if you see a way to improve on that, that's fine.

Okay, I got it. Do we need a separate goal for Bandera Park? No, it's not an oak ridge.

So you just put 141 under that one?

Well, I'm just saying, again, that's a question, but what I read in Echo, I know what we're doing there. And what I heard you and your reaction is we don't want to be obligated for doing things for summer fields.

You know, what you just said was just take out 1.4 and just incorporate 1.4.1 into the previous ones.

That's my point.

Because it is, although... It is significant. We put 50,000 dollars into that project. We have it's right on our border. No, I mean, we could also say we want connectivity to the. Greenways and stuff like that, but I think this is.

Right there. I like that idea.

Just take goal one, take the goal out, but just the policy just slides up one.

And maybe you put it above the one about adopting trail construction standards. All right.

All right.

What I would propose to do with this section is let me get all the edits together and send them out to council. Send me any comments or clarifications directly to me. And and get a sort of consensus of the final language through that process rather than.

Yeah, I mean, great idea.

I mean, unpopular opinion may be, do we want to have additional meetings other than the ones already scheduled since it's taking longer?

No, I think we stay on this pace. I've got one meeting.

And I'm going back to my December memory of what I sent out to you. But to me, when you got to the back end of the strategy. It got easier? Well, to me, there didn't seem to be obvious things that you would need to change. Yeah. The further, at least first two, there were, because once the parks, because that's our big...

Wait, if we had, this is our third meeting. That's right. And we have three more. Right. Ha, ha, ha, ha. No, wait, why do I have two labeled number four?

It'll take as long as it takes.

This is productive.

You shouldn't try to rush it.

Right.

Okay.

Thank you. I appreciate that. I just like freaking out. Yeah, that's true. Wonderful.

Do we have any public comments? No public comments?

They're still there.

Then I'll ask for motion to adjourn.

One minute. There is somebody online? It's me. Just want to make sure we ask for public comment if we have someone online. Do that anyway.

They're just watching.

For a town council meeting, we can't involve people watching online. They can watch it. Oh, I'm sorry. Many meetings are different, right?

Real quick before we leave, I just saw something on here that I forgot. We didn't really address. Did we want to talk about preserving any of the large practice fields, some are small, the woods and backfield? Do we want to have any verbiage?

I think we incorporated that in saying small increases are appropriate. I think that's sufficient. I like that solution.

Woods and backfield are clear. It's the other three areas and the Taj Mahal of Davis that Brock is playing over the next 30, 31 years. The Brock Mahal. I think you had a motion. We have a motion. I didn't hear a second.

Oh, I made the motion.

You made the motion to adjourn.

Oh, okay. Anybody second?

No, we're second. Okay, second. All in favor? Aye.

You also can second the motion.