Board of County Commissioners– Board of County Commission Meetings - Regular Meeting
The Nye County Board of Commissioners met to address budget reinstatements, approve several development and grant agreements, and hear extensive public commentary on local issues.
About this meeting
- Government Body
- Board of County Commissioners– Board of County Commission Meetings
- Meeting Type
- Board Of County Commissioners– Board Of County Commission Meetings
- Location
- Nye County, NV
- Meeting Date
- September 15, 2026
Transcript
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Thank God. Thank goodness. Somebody.
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That's amazing. I'm happy for that. Somebody. I need all the help I can get.
Oh, I was waiting on you.
Okay, we're ready. Please feel free to stand with me for Pastor Keith Walker from Pahrump Community Church.
Thank you. Let's pray. Our gracious Heavenly Father, thank you for our great country, for our state, for Nye County. Thank you for every person and every branch of our military that served to preserve our freedoms and protect the principles of democracy. With the ongoing Iran conflict and the broader tensions across the Mideast and beyond, I pray for stability and for your protection for all of our military personnel. Your holy scriptures instruct us that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. So again, this morning, we pray for our national leaders. We pray for President Trump and Vice President Vance, that this administration and all of Congress would sincerely seek what is best for the citizens of our country. and that they would make decisions based on the principles of truth and righteousness described and defined in your word, the Holy Bible. Closer to home, we thank you for our first responders, our law enforcement personnel, our firefighters, emergency and medical personnel, our search and rescue teams. Please bless and protect them. We pray for those who are in positions of authority in Nye County, including our county commissioners, Jabour, Koenig, Bain, Boscovich, and Strickland. Thank you for this board stated purpose to optimize human financial and natural resources to develop long-term sustainable opportunities that benefit its citizens and maintain public trust in county government. We pray for your guidance and all the deliberations to be undertaken at today's meeting, whether it be routine matters involving infrastructure, emergency services, or decisions regarding the funding and appointment of peace officers or more controversial issues related to next year's budget, automated license plate reader systems or data centers. I also pray that even during the public comments period, each of us would conduct ourselves with propriety and dignity, acknowledging the value of every human being as all are created in the image of our Creator. Help us to reflect your divine nature and strive to do all things decently and in order. Help us to have gratitude for the freedoms we enjoy. Thank you that we can freely read, study, and share your holy word. Thank you for the offer of salvation for all who trust in Jesus Christ. Let us remember that you've instructed Christian people to live as people who are free, not using this freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Please bless this meeting. and all present today. I pray this in the name of Jesus Christ, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. Amen.
Amen.
Thank you, Pastor.
Commissioner Jabbour, would you like to lead us? I'm going to open this joint meeting of the Nye County Board of County Commissioners at all.
Commissioner Jabbour, would you like to lead us? Thank you, Chair. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
Thank you, sir.
Thank you Okay manager number two, please Item to presentation of a plaque to one employee honored for their years of service. I
Good morning, everybody.
Thank you. I don't even need the paper for this one. This is a big one, as they said, a 30-year, 30 years dedicated service to Knight County and to all of you. And we have Corinne Smith with Health and Human Services. Congratulations, Corinne. We need other departments filled.
Another 30 years.
Thank you again, Corinne.
Good morning, DA. Are we good to go two minutes, public comment? OK. Manager number three, please.
Item three, general public comment, up to two minute time limit per person. Public comment will be for all matters off the agenda. Public comment must be limited to matters that are within the jurisdiction and control of the Board of County Commissioners. Action will not be taken on the matters considered during this period. until specifically included on an agenda as an action item.
Thank you for that. Impromptu, come on down for your two minutes. It's mine.
Well, first of all, I want to tell you that I'm disappointed again that you said it at two minutes. And I know that you're probably just trying to curtail some of the overtime. I do understand that. However, a lot of people sit here and put in a three minute speech and then you're cutting them to two minutes. So if other times when we don't have such high priority or visible items, if we can go back to three minutes, I'd really, really appreciate it. But I wanna let you know, I'm really disappointed in you guys. I'm really, because I sat there and read that data center thing. Oh, it's on the, anyway. I can't talk about that. All right, let's move on to the other thing. And I'm not sure if I'm in violation of talking about metal waste, because I'm on the RPC, but it's not coming from the RPC. I think that their cups should be pulled. Their entire project has changed from what their presentation was to us. They asked for one incinerator. I know they're not incinerators, but now they're getting the seven. They asked to be able to bring in, I think it was 51,000 tons, and now they have like, shit, a million. And then they can now park trucks right on the property and keep them there for 30 days filled with that hazardous waste. If acid is eaten through the bottom of the truck, guess where it's going to go? Right into our water table. So you guys... I know that you're fighting this, but I hope that some of what I just told you might have inspired you to think of something else or another way to go, another avenue. That would help a lot so that we can get rid of meta waste. Thank you.
Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Come on down and prompt, Lorraine.
Good morning, commissioners. Good thing I can talk really, really fast. First of all, I want to say once again, it is my privilege and my honor to come before you today rather than having to call in. G-I-L-B-E-R-T. I support continued consideration of the off-grid living overlay. This proposal should not be viewed as asking the county to abandon health and safety protections. It is asking for approved alternative systems that can meet objective standards through permits, inspections, maintenance, requirements, and enforcement. I do appreciate the Pahrump Regional Planning Commission's commitment to bring this forward in October. And I ask you, our commissioners, to keep an open mind until the complete proposal and supporting safeguards are presented. We appreciate this process. Please remember that behind this proposal are real owners who continue paying taxes on land they cannot use. So many own property in Pahrump. that cannot presently be used for a home because conventional water and sewer lines are unavailable and unaffordable. I would just ask commissioners that you keep the October commitment and give the proposal a fair and open hearing. And once again, I'm happy to see you all.
Thanks, Lorraine. Sam, do we have anybody now, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Ron Morton, MLR, CIN, SON. I just wanted to talk about the zombie lots a little bit. You know, you guys take money when you sell zombie lots to people and people get absolutely no use out of it. It's kind of like stealing. It's kind of like a crime, in my personal opinion, because they get no use for the money that they spend on the lot. You really need to stop selling zombie lots and stop taxing people until you fix the issue in terms of People use it a lot, and yeah, that's what I got. Thank you.
Come on down in front, please.
Good morning. My name is Carol Jones, J-O-N-E-S. I would like to give an add-a-man to Dan Weeks, who spoke to Mountain Falls on Saturday about the current status of Basin 162. My concern is that the data was from 2018 and 2023. I'm wondering if, I hope this isn't out of order, but will there be a update of the status of our water aquifer before 2027. Yes, no? We don't know? Okay, thank you. But he did an excellent job and I would like to see something like that presented to the entire community. Thank you.
Thank you, Ms. Jones. I would like to see an updated study myself. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on down, Linda.
Linda Clark, CLA Alkari.
What was that?
CLARK. Didn't come out right, I'm sorry. But you caught it. Okay. Yes, I was at the board meeting for Mr. Weeks. It was very interesting, and we learned a lot of stuff. Yes, it could be more current, but... With everything else in this town, who knows? Anyway, what I want to say real quick, like, is I want to not thank you for your revel in your power to sit here and cut our time down to two minutes. I hope that makes you feel good. It doesn't make us feel good. And I know you have that power to do that, at least they say you do. I don't know. The other boards are still giving us three minutes, so what's the difference? But think about it. We have a right to speak, and you don't want to hear us. Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, good morning. Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. I was surprised to hear that our time is down to two minutes. I would like to have you cut your time down to two minutes. And you know, try to get out what you want to say. I don't think you would be able to do that. Two minutes is not very long at all, and it shows your disdain. For wanting to hear from the public. I hope this meeting goes well. There's some interesting changes that are on the agenda. I got emails right away this morning with two changes already to one item, so it'd be interesting. to see what goes on, and I have some things laid out for each one, and we'll get to those later. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Go ahead in front, please.
Good morning, servants. Bruce Johnson, J-O-H-N-S-O-N. And just so you know, there is no law that requires us to give our name. And if there is, I'd like for you to point it out. And I'd like to see a raise of hands on who did not receive the notice that I sent y'all yesterday. Okay, good. I'm glad you all got it. I'm going to read it to the people out here, to our wonderful residents of Pahrump. I, Bruce Johnson, one of the people seen in the 51 constitutions. By the way, this is a notice for a point of clarity on open meeting laws. Please take notice as my wish that you provide clarity regarding your constitutional authority to do acts as long as it is not expressly prohibited in the 51 constitutions. and violate the people's right to redress grievances and repress speech. Number one question, identify the adopted rule or authority permitting the posted three-minute public comment restriction to be changed to two minutes during the meeting, and the objective criteria used to make that determination, because I do believe if you go to the Attorney General's website, it explicitly says on there that you cannot do that without giving informed consent to the people. So you might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself. Number two, identify the adopted rule or authority to deny the public speaker the right to reserve their time to another like you did to me two meetings ago. Show me your authority on that, okay? Two things I just identified right there that you violated the people's rights on. I'm serious about this stuff. You sit up there and smirk. I'm just telling you. Number three, identify the specific adopted rule or authority within the NRS 241 open medium law provisions to remove a public speaker from a meeting because they call you an asshole or something like that. You don't have the authority to do that. If somebody says something like that, I'm not calling you that, but I'm just telling you to read the law. You're an attorney. You should know. So are you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Please move. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please, with anything logical? Come on down in front, please. Good. File a complaint.
Diane Southworth, S-O-U-T-H-W-O-R-T-H. It's community outreach time. Recovery comes with real-life needs, and this is a... information from the Nye County Health and Human Services on how they can help people with drug addiction, housing, homelessness, transportation, et cetera. Then we've got the NICOM training. You can do this and get prepared so you know your rights. Funding assistance.
Excuse me, sir. Can you keep it quiet in the audience? We're trying to let the speaker speak. Please give her extra time. Go ahead.
funding assistance for reproductive health services, vaccination education and where you can get those vaccinations. Need a ride? We've got a list. Pantries? Got a list. ex drug disposable and where you can do that safely and of course our alternate forms of pain management also things you can do for veterans and service members that have served in the military you do not have to face this alone And then we have Nice Space Upcoming Events. And they're getting to do some things that are helping the mental health of this community. And we have Fit and Strong. This is to improve fitness and strength, increase confidence and safety for those over 60. And the others are just duplicates. So have a good day.
Have a good meeting. Thank you.
Thank you, Diane. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on down and prompt, please.
good morning everyone my name is amy fortin f-o-r-t-i-n i am a prevention specialist with nye communities coalition and i am here to sorry um report out on our 2026 compliance checks so compliance checks are one of the ways our community works to prevent youth from accessing alcohol tobacco nicotine and other age restricted products these checks are designed to see whether businesses are following the laws and properly checking identification before completing a cell As a result, it helps us identify where education, employee training, and prevention efforts are needed. So on May 8, 2026, we did 31 compliance checks here in Pahrump. 27 of the stores did not sell. They checked ID, and they learned that they were underage, and they refused to sell. Unfortunately, four did sell. That's about 12.9%. So the good news is that nine out of every 10 businesses checked refused to sell to a youth. Again, four did, however, sell, showing that there's still work that we need to do to prevent youth access to age-restricted products. On a span of August 28th to 29th, we were able to do compliance checks in Armagosa, Beatty, and Tonopah. We conducted 32 checks over that two-day period. Twenty-three did not sell to youth. Nine sold to youth. So seven out of ten businesses were refusing to sell to youth. At the same time, nine businesses did complete the sell, showing that we still need a little bit more work up in those areas. So together we conducted 63 compliance checks, 50 refused sells, 13 businesses did sell to youth, so it ended up being 79.4% of all businesses refused sells, and 20.6% did complete a sell. This is something our community needs to recognize. At the same time, every successful cell... Oh, sorry, I missed a line.
Thank you. You're welcome. I'm so sorry. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Go ahead, Mary Ann.
Good morning, Mary Ann Hollis, H-O-L-L-I-S. I forgot my speech, which I had timed at three minutes, so I guess just as well I left at home. So I've condensed what I believe were my major points, probably over two minutes. But at any rate, here I go. I wanted to talk about the Pahrump Debt Management Commission. Have you ever attended a meeting? They meet quarterly to, quote, manage debt. But my review of minutes and agenda from 2014 to this year record business taking anywhere from 10 minutes to 30 minutes. The two major issues that they manage is the school district and the hospital district. Continuous disregard for mandated reporting from both of these entities goes unresolved as only a letter is sent to them that they augment their thin reports to be discussed three months later. Two issues are repeated as agenda business, appointments and rubber stamping of an NRS. The chair was shocked to see anyone in attendance and admitted that she should probably attend a BOCC meeting to find out what is going on. But they're managing debt. So what are they managing? What debt? How do they claim that with no data in any backup or during their 15 minutes of discussion? In the years of attending meetings and listening to real debt management, I have never heard a report from this commission or any reference to them. Should you continue with this, you know, useless, I'll say, commission? They're not managing any debt. Not to put any more responsibility on the comptroller, but their 5 to 15 minutes of their business could, in my opinion, be incorporated by the financial department. Oh, and I have one question. Who was the liaison to the library board?
Okay. Thanks, Marianne. Okay. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, Chair. Come on down, ma'am. We dissolved it.
Good morning, Commissioner Chairman Cruz, C-R-U-I-S-E. I want to thank you for banning Data Center, and I ask that you do exactly the same thing with medical waste, especially since toxic medical waste, once it goes into our system, then we become a ghost town. And I kind of like living here and would like to continue to do that. So I would ask you to please do the same thing you did with the data centers with Mediways. On a lighter, somewhat lighter note, the Cleveland Clinic, the Lou Ruvo Center is hosting a workshop for dealing with dementia. It's designed for individuals that are caring for people with dementia. It will be held on September 22nd at the Coalition from 10 to 4. And those that are interested really need to register. And they can call the center at 702-271-9563. And if anybody wants to take a picture, I have a copy with me. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on down, ma'am.
Hi. I'm Shuey, S-H-U-E-Y, initials D and C. I think it's funny to follow someone who just had talked about dementia.
Okay, anyway.
Council, I texted to Mr. Koenig. Good evening, Saturday. This is Ms. Shuey. I gave my phone number. And I'd like to know where I can find online the environmental impact study that shows how all the sewage from all these multi-dwelling areas for homes and supposedly 40,000 more homes that are probably going to be possibly developed. Where is the sewage going? Do we have a sewage treatment plant? Where is that being built? We have to have one, right? And so that came up because we were talking about Mr. Weeks. He was telling the group about... on Saturday about, oh, we have plenty of water. Well, we're going to need to use water for the treatment plants. And we don't have to worry about data centers because you guys are not going to get those because you need sewage treatment plants. I don't know. Do we already have those? I mean, we've got lots of big homes being built. And you're not going to ask me now, but Mr. Koenig, I know you probably get a lot of phone calls, but you can just text me back or just have somebody. I know you've done it before, so that's cool. And if you can't, that's cool, but just try to get somebody to answer me, a secretary or somebody. I appreciate that, and I'll look it up and try to find out that information. Because sewage is just as bad as medical waste, and that's what we're going to need water for. So no data centers, et cetera, et cetera. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on down, Stephen.
Good morning, Board. Stephen Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. I'd like to throw my three cents in about MediWaste. What was originally on their permit request is totally different from what's existing now. Please take that into consideration and make them comply with all the things that have now come up. Thank you.
Thank you. What do you think, Sam? Do you have anybody, please?
No, Chair.
Wow. Come on down, Daryl. Maybe our phones are out.
Daryl Lackey, L-A-C-K-E-Y.
I'm wondering how much that three-minute timer cost us. But anyway, I guess it's not acceptable to two, maybe three minutes is all it works, so I guess we'll never see that thing going. But anyway, but you could probably spend another couple grand on maybe having them readjust it, or maybe tape off part of it. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. To hundreds of a second timer. Anyway. I want to talk about an old thing that you guys had was the tribal grants. You know, half of it you just sliced right off and gave it to yourselves. And then none of it went to any tribe. Right? None of it went to any tribe at all. And there's two different kinds of tribes. There's recognized tribes and there's unrecognized tribes. And again, that all comes back to you all. Oh, anyway. You know, back to the water, back to what? Okay, I knew some people that put in, they put a bar in and they had to put a bladder in the parking lot. A bladder in the parking lot cost them a quarter million dollars. And the bar is not there anymore. You know, it's something else, whatever. But anyway, years later, are you requiring a bladder in the parking lot for this medical waste thing where trucks are going to be sitting there? Is it going to be a bladder under the ground to stop anything that flows out of these trucks? Is that any of the consideration I'm wondering? But when a private entity goes in there, oh, $250,000, boom. But when it's you guys' stuff, you know, like the tribal grants, let's go back to that. Not one penny went to any tribe of the $12 million where you could have stopped homelessness and poverty with my program. But you're all just kings and queens up there. You're all just in charge. And you're sitting there loving it, even though you're so hated.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Please check with Serena.
Anybody on the phone, please, Serena?
No, Chair.
Come on down in front, please.
Good morning, Commissioners. How are you?
Good, thank you.
My name is Mary Rose. Last name is Parkman, P-A-R-K-M-A-N. And I will keep it to maybe one minute. Don't faint. I'm here just to give you six months' notice to save the date because Seroptimus said International of Pahrump Valley is planning the annual Mardi Gras fundraiser. So put it on your calendar, Saturday, March 6th. 2027 it's going to be at the prump nugget and we'll have a lot more information we are sending out emails now thanking any of our past sponsors and encouraging current businesses that may be interested in advertising and those that might want to sponsor it's our largest fundraiser that raises money for our scholarship program So thank you. And again, under two minutes, it's a miracle. Have a good one. Thank you. Thank you, Sir Optimus.
Come on down in front, please.
My name is Nancy Yanda, Y-A-N-D-A. And I'd like to see you guys put a ban on data centers. We already have them doing meta waste over in Beatty. We don't need it in Pahrump, especially right across the street from the DMV. What are you guys thinking? Right in the middle of town, you want a data, a meta waste? We don't need it. Absolutely not.
CHRIS JERRAMSEN. Thank you, Sam. Serena, do we have anybody on the phone, please? No, Chair. CHRIS JERRAMSEN. Come on down to Pahrump, please.
Angelina Jackson, JAC, KSON. My first thing is with the metal waste. I think that needs to be reviewed by the board because it wasn't originally before it goes any further. With that, also, I'd like to know why our roads are not being maintained or the easement of the road where children are waiting for a school bus or people are trying to walk. They have to walk into the streets. You would think that with all the money going to those departments that something would be done because there's nothing to show for it again. Also, regarding the homeless, to my understanding, there were some funds that were allocated to the board in order for the homeless. What happened with that? There was a grant that was given and I don't know what happened with that because we do have a homeless problem here and they're not all transients from somewhere else. You don't know what a person's situation is, why they're in that situation and leaving them there or punishing them for it does not help the situation. So that's it. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone or I'm sorry, Serena, anybody on the phone, please.
No chair.
Come on down. I wonder if they're working.
Good morning.
Julian Musall, M-U-S-A-L-L. And thank you, Beth, for bringing up Medi-Waste. Because I've been reviewing a lot of the agendas throughout the year, and I do notice that a lot of times things get approved by the commission, But then when you see what's going on, whatever they propose to you is completely different than what they're doing. And it's not just medi waste. I've been reviewing a lot of things. And it stems, a lot of it comes from planning first, initially. They let a lot go through, and then it comes to you guys. So anyway, I just hope that you guys don't let that come in. So thank you. Have a good day.
Thank you. Come on down, Tammy. I give up on the phones.
Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. So I'm going to try to cram this in at three minutes. People who pander to veterans and virtue signal by pretending to help veterans are akin to scum on the earth. A request to rezone an area currently zoned for 1.5 acre lots to high density from a maximum of 88 homes to 543 boxable homes off of flag. Hold on to me. Hold, please.
I don't think that's on today's agenda.
It's not on the agenda.
No, Commissioner, it's not. Go ahead, restart.
I apologize, Ms. Tammy.
Thank you. Go ahead.
So these boxable homes will be off Blagg just past the Catholic Church. The existing cell tower will have homes built all the way around it. I read a study recently that correlates cell towers with increased cancer risk. Cell towers were the original microwaves. Veterans discovered how to cook their lunch by watching birds fall to the ground when the Sales signals cook them. The valley's water rights are already over allocated that they want to exacerbate it with high density home. 6.17 times the allocated water consumption for that land. The plan includes extending Great Basin's water and sewer lines from a mile away. If public utility has agreed to provide water, all neighbors within x feet of the public utility main are required to shutter their septic and their well and connect to the public utility. And I confirmed this with somebody who has been here for a long time. His parents were told, oh, no, no, no. You have to get rid of your well and sewer. They fought it until they needed something from the planning department. And all of a sudden, it was like, It's hold over their head. You do it, or you close your well in your sewer, or you're not going to get what you want from planning. So it really is a truth issue. So a lot of people are going to be really affected. Pahrump is approximately 40% veteran, which speaks to the area already providing affordable housing, because we're here. I searched the internet and found many homes under $300,000 with significantly larger lots. I would have listed many more, but I stopped at 12, and I have them listed on here by address and square footage and acreage. So it would seem there's no reason to purchase a home with a postage-sized stamp lot. Thanks, Tammy.
Thank you very much. Come on down, Susie.
Good morning, Susie Hertz, H-E-R-T-Z. I have a concern over what is happening with our planning for this community and for this county. I read the agendas, I study the background, I look at the backup, and constantly there are changes of zoning and land use for all sorts of different reasons. And I don't understand how we can have a master plan that is how we've decided we want our community and our county to be developed, and then we spend 100% of our time changing that for somebody else, for some other reason, for some other purpose. And I don't think there's a lot of really good justification for it as it happens. And that's what the eye of the public sees from what goes on in planning and RPC and then up to you commissioners. And I really would ask you to pay more attention to this and honor what we're here for and how we chose to live our lives. We created the master plan together to create and maintain a good community with good quality to it. And each and every one of the items that come up on the agendas that seeks to make these changes has done nothing but create a negative effect to what our life is going to look like and I would beg you to change your attitudes and your approach. Finally, I really am very sorry that you have taken a minute, one-third of our speaking time away from us. We don't get much to speak to you in the first place, so it's very hard to take a third of it away.
Serena, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
I'm back, Chair.
Oh, Sam.
Yes, we do. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioner. Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Did my time just start?
Yes, sir.
I have a question for the chair. I have a subject matter when it comes to unconstitutional rules and ordinances that supersede the Constitution, as well as the First Amendment, a natural right, a God-given right. Ms. Strickland, who's like God? Y'all have a right to prayer. We have a right to practice. Let's practice. What good is your constitutional oath without the Bill of Rights? Let's practice. Let's give thanks and praise. What about Jesus Christ? What about the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit? Where are you? Take that sign down behind you. Y'all are weak Christians. You hold no cross when it comes to fraud, extortion, and official oppression. You look the other way when our children are being abused in these courtrooms. You have no Have no scars. You show no mercy, no compassion. Where is the service? We're talking about God's trust, the future. Where are you at? Look at what's going on in each department. Age matters whether you believe in a rainbow or not. Administrative law. Do you really think you supersede the rights of the people? Where is your authority? authority come from i can't hear you where's the constitutionality what about this da everybody sees it why don't you why do you bow down to his council we serve god's trust not the da his opinions don't matter attorneys what about the bar where's your allegiance it's not to that constitution so stop saying it you took took an oath to the bar Thank you.
Go ahead, Leah.
Leah Aldridge, A-L-D-R-I-D-G-E. Good morning, Commissioners. I had an idea. That spot up there on 160 where they wanted to put that hyperscale data center because the developer said that's where the water is. That's where we should build a fish pond. Thank you.
And they're going to get rid of the one I keep trying to get her to use. Go ahead, Anthony.
Anthony Greco, GRECO. So our Secretary of State has removed 390,000 people from the voter rolls. I'd like to know how many of those people voted in the primary. Why did they remove them?
Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Danielle Cruz, KRUSE. I'd like to ask the board to put an item on the teacher agenda to discuss what the county can realistically do to address homelessness, mental health, and drug addiction in our community. I know we can't solve everything locally, but I think we can at least start somewhere, have the conversation, and do something, because I do not think that the cycle of arresting and releasing, arresting and releasing is going to do anything. We need to have deeper discussion about it. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Patricia.
Patricia Robb, ROBB. I know it's not easy serving as a county official. The responsibilities to work within laws, budgets, and practical limitations are something most of us never see. I also believe you care, and you care about our county. You care about the quality of life and its reputation. However, when people repeatedly express concerns and do not see or hear any action, these meetings start to feel confrontational. And Becky McCrae. She's from Save Our Towns. She actually wrote a book called The Idea-Friendly Guide. It explains that when communities involve residents beyond the traditional public comment process, people feel more connected and positive changes happen together. Officials do not have to predict winners on their own in advance. Testing shows what works, what doesn't work, what needs to be improved. all while protecting public health and safety, kind of like our utility challenge lots, which we're looking forward to the planning department having the overlay ordinance ready at their next meeting. Providing opportunities to collaborate with everyone in a nonpolitical community environment helps residents feel included in the process rather than pleading their case from a podium. Rules, procedures, and efficiency matters, but the greater purpose is building a healthy community and improving quality of life. When a policy no longer serves that purpose fairly, we should all be willing to examine it together. We will not all agree on everything, but when people feel heard, respected, and empowered to help, we build a stronger community, one we can be proud of. I do suggest reading her book, The Idea-Friendly Guide by Becky McRae.
Come on down and prompt, sir.
Good morning. My name is Angel Moreno, M-O-R-E-N-O. You know, I've been to just one of these in my person here. I've been watching some stuff with all the boards and stuff online, and, you know, I'm going to take this time and, one, just say thank you. OK, you folks get attacked a lot as a board. I understand that. I personally have been on some committee boards and stuff, and I know it's a tough job. So I personally appreciate all of your folks' efforts. A lot of people out here are very angry with you folks personally. And I see that. And all I can do is apologize for that. And in turn, I don't want to just address you folks. I want to address all you folks out here. There's no reason to be so hateful and angry and mean and insultive to the people that have committed no sir not sold out and i don't appreciate that everybody has their time to speak and that's what it is all about this is the disrespect that you folks are showing to them they may not be a hundred percent right in your opinion but you know what You are not up here doing the job. Give them the due respect and give them the respect that, yes, our Father has asked all of us to give one another. When you lose that respect as a person, it's bad.
If I could, I would let you go on, but I can't. And thank you very much. I appreciate you. I really do. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Closing public comment. Moving on to number four, please.
Item four, Commissioner Manager Comments. This item is limited to announcements, brief discussions of public comments, correction of factual inaccuracies. Direction to staff for topics proposed for future board meetings. Lengthy deliberation of topics not on the agenda is prohibited by the Nevada Open Meeting Law.
Thank you for that. Since I never get to see her in person much, I'm going to go right to Corey.
Good morning, Commissioner. Thank you. I just have a quick couple notes. One, I did want to address Mr. Greco. The voter registration, we do voter registration maintenance every year. And it's generally between two and 300,000 for the whole state. It is the counties that do that. We are touching the voter rolls. So if you have any questions, Mr. Greco, you're more than welcome to give us a call. A couple of things I did want to say is today is national register to vote day. So please, if you're not registered or you're unsure, go to vote.nv.gov to check your registration. Other things are the ease ballots. which is for our military and overseas. Those are out. Sample ballots are going out on the 23rd. In-state, the ballots will be out on the 5th of October. So ballots are going to start being seen out there. So keep your eye out. They're orange. You'll notice them. One thing I do suggest is if you're going to use a mail-in ballot, please mail early. The USPS is having issues. Just yesterday, we received 15 undeliverable ballots from the USPS from the primary election. So if you don't receive your ballot by the middle of October or anything like that, please give our office a call. And I think that's it. Thanks. Chair? Clerk?
Yeah, go ahead.
Chair. Clerk, they can also drop those ballots off. You have drop boxes available.
Yes, and I highly suggest if you can get to one, we do have drop boxes there at the clerk's office. We'll have it there at the Bob Rood. If you want to wait to election day, you can go to any one of our polling places. We'll have drop boxes. Bring it into the clerk's office in Tonopah just to ensure that we get them on time.
So your vote is heard because that's terrible, clerk, that five of those show up late.
It is, and again, I told the numbers last time, but there were over 100 votes that didn't have signatures on the mail ballots that we couldn't count. So, again, get them in early so we can, if there are problems, we can get them fixed.
Okay. Thank you, Corey. Thanks. Come on over, Corinne. Yes, the 30-year gal.
Good morning again, Commissioner. Corinne Smith, Director of Health and Human Services, SMITH. I'm here to go over the annual plan that you should have received a copy of about a month and a half ago. I thought it would be good to just kind of skim over it and give some facts. It is also posted on our webpage. The report covers our federal fiscal year from October 1, 2024 through September 30, 2025. Our mission is to help Nye County residents achieve and sustain self-sufficiency so that they can reach their full potential. Our vision is to provide innovative programs, services, and referrals that help residents establish strong foundations and well-being, ultimately creating a stronger community. We serve Nye County through two offices, one in Tonopah and the other in Prump, which currently is dedicated. We have a dedicated team of 20 employees and one volunteer. Our department oversees a wide range of programs, grants, and contracts designed to assist qualified individuals and families in need. These include indigency assistance, which includes inmate medical, indigent burials, and abandoned body cremation assistance, supportive services to outside agencies and programs, food and transportation assistance, employment supportive services, and housing and or utility assistance. We currently administer 11 grants, each with its own eligibility requirements and funding limitations. One of our longest running programs is the Community Service Block Grant, or we call CSBG, which we have administered for more than 29 years. CSBG provides assistance to low and very low income residents through services such as food, transportation vouchers, rent, mortgage, and utility assistance, home repairs, and other essential services. During FY 2025 and through the various programs we facilitate, that includes CSBG, Welfare Set-Aside, Affordable Housing Trust Fund, Emergency Solutions Grant, and Rapid Rehousing. 378 families were assisted through our food programs. 100 individuals received transportation assistance to numerous medical appointments. and agency-specific services. 115 households were assisted with preventing eviction and 255 households were assisted in preventing utility disconnect. Our Ryan White program serves individuals living with HIV AIDS and has grown significantly from its beginnings as a small gas voucher program. Today it serves more than 50 clients through case management, transportation, food assistance, hygiene supplies, and emergency financial assistance.
I'm trying.
The nutrition and health of 1,251 women, infants, and children were improved through the WIC program. This program serves eligible pregnant and postpartum women, infants, and children up to age five by providing nutrition education, breastfeeding support, nutritious foods, and referrals. Together, our two offices have served approximately 830 WIC participants each month. Through our senior nutrition and transportation programs, we provide more than 1,200 meals each month and more than 400 transportation trips, including long distance medical transportation to Las Vegas and Reno. Our transportation services account for more than 8,000 miles each month. We also serve as an intake site for energy assistance program, helping residents apply for assistance with electric and propane costs. The Tonopah office provides access to Nevada Energy Safe program residents experiencing difficulty with their electric bills. In 2025, we also launched the Resilient Nevada Recovery Assistance Program, which aims to serve residents affected by opioid addiction. Our public guardian's office has grown from serving one protected person approximately 14 years ago to more than 30 today, with referrals coming in frequently each month. This office provides financial and medical decision-making, attends care conferences, conducts monthly visits, and maintains 24-7 availability to individuals appointed by the courts. Our community health nurse provides services in both Pahrump and Tonopah, including immunizations, screenings, vaccines, family planning, STD, and TB, and they serve approximately 100 to 150 clients each month. The Tonopah office is also a satellite point for Nevada State Welfare to assist with applications, interviews, et cetera, with Nevada State Welfare. Beyond our individual programs, our staff provides intensive case management, working with clients to move them from unstable circumstances towards self-sufficiency. We also conduct quarterly outreach clinics for Beatty and Armagosa Valley and host annual social service fairs in Tonopah and Pahrump, which we usually have about 75 vendors and more than 240 visitors. Our department overall assists more than 1,100 clients each month through information, referrals, direct services, and programs. Our department's proud to provide a broad network of resources and supports residents many different stages of need. While each program has specific eligibility requirements and funding limitations, our goal across all of them remains the same, to connect Nye County residents with the resources and support they need to become stable. If anybody would like any further information or to discuss our program or would like a copy of it, they can always reach out to us at our office at 250 North Highway 160 or call 775-751-7095.
Thank you very much for that, Corinne. However, next time, please get an agenda item for a presentation because it's not fair to everyone else.
Okay, thank you.
And I apologize, but we've got to stick to it. Thank you very much. Any other managers or directors before we go to commissioners?
Come on up, Tammy. Good morning, commissioners. Tammy Engel, E-N-G-E-L. I wanted to come and just briefly discuss the badge of honor blood drive that we held on September 10th and September 11th. On Thursday the 10th, we collected 55 units of blood. and on Friday, 49 units. We had a goal to meet 100 units, and in total, we collected 104 units, so we surpassed that. That was great. We had 18 first-time donors, and the 104 units has the possibility of impacting 312 patients, and I just wanted to thank Vitalant for our partnership with them, and I wanted to thank the community for donating. and we're already planning for next year.
Thank you. Thank you very much, Tammy.
Come on up.
Nice to see you.
Hi, commissioners. Jennifer Fanning, F-A-N-N-I-N-G, town finance manager. I just came to remind you guys in the public that the fall festival is next weekend. The tickets are on presale until this Friday. for the rodeo and the arena. I'm sorry, the rodeo and the carnival. The tickets are available at the town office, Valley Electric, or Shadow Mountain Feed, and they are cash only.
Thank you, Jennifer. Come on up, Christy.
Christy Sigmund, SIE GMUND, Manager Animal Services. Just want to give you guys some numbers and some updates. I missed updating you on July adoptions. So our July adoptions were 73, and then our August adoptions were 95. So we did see a great increase in our July adoptions, making a total for the last few months 169 adoptions. adoptions, which is wonderful for our shelter. We did intake 308, so we are still on the other end of it, but we are going to celebrate each one of those adoptions and those animals that are now in their forever homes. Starting September 18th, which is this Saturday, we are participating once again in the empty the shelter event. So our adoption fees are reduced to $20. We currently have over 50 cats on and kittens. Most of them are four to six month old kittens on the floor. If nothing else, come to see how that front room is set up because it is quite comical to get over 50 cats in that front room. Um, and we also have over 70 dogs available for adoption in our prompt animal shelter, small dogs, big dogs, lots of different breeds, extra toes, you name it, we've got it. Um, so come in and check them out. Um, and then just kind of a public service announcement slash me begging. Please vaccinate your animals. Um, the distemper adenovirus parvo vaccine we have. veterinarians that are open on the weekends we have veterinarians that are open late you can walk into tractor supply and purchase that vaccine and administer it yourself at home distemper and parvo is a horrible virus and with our shelter being open intake accepting all the strays we get everything in it my team has spent the last 10 days along with several veterinarians trying to mitigate disease management and it starts with vaccinating so with as Accessible as that vaccine is I just please please please. Vaccinate your animals and if you need help or resources come to the shelter and my myself and my team are happy to assist.
Thank you very much. Mr. Bain. Mr.
Thank you chair. Good morning. Everybody. Um, I do have a question. Before I get to the question, Tammy, I'm going to ask you the question because you came and stood with. one of the commenters during public comment. Very serious matter is before us, and as I mentioned the last two meetings, we have scheduled for the first meeting of October to set the date and time for a public hearing for a metawaste issue. The second meeting of October, that item will be heard going back to square one originally, where it never came before this commission, went through the planning commission, and so here we are almost two years later. And so we are going to hear that item, bringing that item forward, just so you're aware. So thank you for revisiting, keeping it alive, and we are going to address it one way or the other. Tammy, thank you. So not a trick question. I'm a little alarmed, concerned. I want to thank the merchants that did their jobs. They know what the rules and regulations are, and it's not always them. And that's fine. Your colleague from the coalition is here to help answer. 79% of the merchants did their job, and their employees did their job. The others did not. I'd like to know, was that sales of vapes, cigarettes, alcohol? Because I missed, and I will apologize, I missed that part of what they were sold, these youth, because this is very important. These are our children that we're concerned about.
So for the two compliance checks that I reported out on, they were all alcohol-based.
Okay. And so from that, what, if any, were the ramifications to these establishments?
We'll call up one other person who can better answer that question.
Thank you. Detective Parra. Good morning. You're welcome. Thank you.
Aram P-A-R-R-A. So the ramifications for them is the employees get charged or whoever sells and furnishes any prohibited items to under 21 individuals.
Okay. And what ramification to the actual establishment? They're the license holder of the liquor license.
Yes. We were working on a bill to introduce to see if we could get past that. so we can go after the employers because the employers don't have any consequences and sometimes they don't train their employees. So to them it doesn't affect them at all. So with the new bill that we are hopefully still in the works to propose that the employers themselves have some consequences and they have to pay some type of fee or penalty.
Hmm. So detective par of the bill that you're referring to will come before the liquor licensing board for, I am hoping we're reviewing who's putting it together.
Please. It was Lieutenant Williams, Harry Williams, who?
Okay. And he's retired now. And, and did he leave the file behind?
Uh, we are working with our new Lieutenant.
Okay. So please, um, as quickly as possible because this is very serious, uh, that's a pretty large percentage of our children going in and getting alcohol.
Uh, just to mention it on the previous, uh, compliance checks with, we did do vapes, nicotine, alcohol, uh, tobacco and alcohol. And, uh, We don't have those numbers today, but they have sold vapes to minors and we were hoping to focus more on them in the future. They do sell a lot of, there's a lot of issues that we don't, we don't have the ordinances here to prohibit a lot of the prohibited items that Clark County and Vegas prohibit at tobacco shops. And we allow it because we simply don't have an ordinance for it and there is no NRS to prohibit those. Simple meth pipes are sold for 99 cents at some of the shops. Um, and we don't have anything to prohibit that.
So I appreciate the conversation. Uh, all of those items are, are all inclusive and, and so should be incorporated in the proposed bill that you're going to help put together. And if you need some help, uh, please contact, uh, of course the sheriff is the chair of the liquor licensing, uh, uh, board. We have... Is it Commissioner Koenig is the vice chair for the liquor licensing, and every one of us is on the committee. So you're welcome to reach out to us from our experience, background, and expertise to help you with this bill. This is very important. I sincerely appreciate that. Okay, so thank you for the conversation and answering the questions.
You're welcome. Can I get in for one second and ask a question? Of course. Because I saw the... after those things were done. I thought a couple of those places got shut down for like a week or so because of what they did.
That's not a compliance check for this, for selling 200 each. That was them not having their sheriff's card at that time. So we temporarily shut some of those.
I was told they didn't sell enough product, Commissioner.
I thought when they didn't have a sheriff's card, it only affected the person that didn't have the sheriff's card.
Yes, that's different than the compliance checks for underage sellers.
Right, but underage, I thought some of those places got shut down, but maybe I'm wrong.
No, that's what we're trying to work on.
Rhinestones got shut down.
No, that's incorrect.
Okay.
Thank you again. Thank you, folks. Thank you, Chair.
Thank you. Part of the problem with those vapes is they market them to kids. I mean, they literally, which is a whole separate issue. Commissioner Strickland.
Thank you, Chair. I thought the board might find it interesting that we had 26 people that spoke during general public comment. Of those 26, five wanted to speak about the two-minute discussion while only three went longer than the two minutes. Of those three was Ms. Fortain, who is speaking, Ms. Hollis, and Mr. Garcia. Mr. Garcia has often, along with others, commented about how we don't have the right to reduce the time. and that we don't have the right to remove people. And yet it is in the rules and regulations for conduct for the Board of County Commissioners, and it's on the front of your agenda. It's always been there. We're trying to conduct the business of the county and respect you for being able to speak on every single item, unless it's a presentation only. And I take exception to what Mr. Garcia said, and I'm not going to sit still. Mr. Garcia, I'd like to read to you Romans 12, 10. Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. We do our best here to show you honor. Please do the same. Thank you, Chair.
Thank you. Commissioner Koenig. I don't even need two minutes today. I have nothing.
We ready, sir? My comments are this. We have not had a recent water study in a long, long, long time. Nobody can tell you or me where we are with water. Some will say the sky is falling, we have no water, and others will say I have wells that are artesianing. So until we get an actual good study, we don't know. Clark County, it is scheduled. Clark County, in their public comment, they have three minutes in the beginning to comment on any item on the agenda, no individual comment during each item, and three minutes at the end. We are not doing that. We could, certainly, but we're not doing that so that you guys can all have a chance to speak because I do believe in that. I was one of the ones that fought to keep the phone system before I took office, back when you guys had that on the agenda before. The other thing I want to talk about real quick is I saw a report of the 17 counties in the state of Nevada. Nye County ranked the saddest, sad, like the most sad people in the county of all of the 17 counties. And I just find that really upsetting. and disturbing because look, as I've told you before, we're all in this, like me, don't like me, whatever. We're all here together. We're all invested here. We all spend our time here. And man, I just think that's really upsetting that it's that way.
Excuse me, Chair, if it'll be any help to you on that, those stats. Yes, is that study was conducted in California. Sure.
Anyway, that's all I have. Thank you all for being here. Let's get on.
Chair, we still have more managers that need to provide reports. Okay. I thought they were done.
I just wanted to make a correction. Zena Teich, T-E-I-C-H. One of the public comments about the Debt Management Committee said that they meet four times a year. It's actually twice a year. They meet in August and in February.
Okay. Thank you. Sam, is that it?
No. I have an update. So the Nye County Veterans Banner Program application process will be starting up in November. These are the banners that we see hung in the Calvada Eye here. We also have a couple up at the Justice Complex in Tonopah. So the application process starts October. It ends in December. We'll be reviewing applications and creating the updated banners and getting them hung. The current banners will be retired via a ceremony on Memorial Day and the new banners will be up by Veterans Day of 2027. So the applications are available in our administration offices. Just right down the hall here or at the Tonopah admin office. You can also get them from our website, NyeCountyNV.gov. And... We will be making our selections in January.
Thank you. Anyone else, please?
That was it.
We're going to close that and take a 10-minute potty break. I'm ready if you are. Okay, let's continue on number four because I don't think I closed it. Commissioner Koenig had a comment.
The comment was made about our new sign, about thousands of dollars. That sign cost $154. Sorry, guys. You tried to get us again and it didn't work. Darn it. Thank you.
That's it? That was your comment? All right, closing four. Five it is.
Item five, approval of the agenda for September 15, 2026. Commissioners will be pulling item six on page one. Item 22 and 23 on page five. And also 25, number 25. 22, 23, 25. Yes.
22, 23, and 25. All right. Thank you for that, Lorena. Let's go to seven. Seven.
Item seven, 10 o'clock a.m., fiscal year 2027 community development block grant CDBG public meeting. A, presentation, discussion, and possible direction to staff regarding applications received, and B, invite the public to provide comment on suggestions regarding potential applications.
Thank you for that. Hello. How are you?
Good morning, Commissioner Stephanie Elliott, E-L-L-I-O-T-T. Just want to thank you for your time this morning.
Go ahead, if you'll go ahead and show that.
We're just going to put up on the screen the proposed projects. And really excited to share that we had five fantastic Nye County applications, and we did receive one sponsored application that will not be moving forward. And these are all for our Northern or Commissioner District 1 area. Of these five applications, we would like today, at the end of the presentation, direction to staff on which ones we should move forward as submitting for applications to CDBG. That will then determine if these projects are eligible for the Community Development Block Grant or infrastructure grants that are available. I do want to point out that Nye County will be very fortunate to get full funding for one grant project. We have been advised that we would not be eligible for any more than two grant projects. As you can see on the screen, we've got total cost projects of near $5 million, and we're asking CDBG for almost 2.4 million. There is only $3 million available for the entire state, and that would be for non-entitlement grants. I would also like to say that our grant administrator, Stephanie Erga, she invited the four different applicants to come into chambers. I do see that there are some even in Tonopah or even by phone if the commission would have any questions on the submitted applications or any information provided in the backup. And then other than that, we are inviting public comment on these five proposed projects. So if there's any questions for me or for the applicants, please let us know. Thank you.
Thank you very much. All right. Let's open this up for public comment, please. Do we have anybody on the phone, please, Sam?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Oh, yes. Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. I know Round Mountain is having some issues up there with water. and if they need to have their old town water system refurbished or replaced that would be where i would start but that's my opinion thank you thanks go ahead linda linda clark celia okay just a quick note
I begged for these screens to be used on a regular basis. I was told you didn't have anybody that could operate that system to show us out here in the community. But I do have a comment on it since we have it up there today that Deborah, excuse me, Stephanie provided for, but I can't read it. Thank you.
Come on up, Beth.
Beth Borasevich, B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. Um, I had two tremendous ideas to submit to this. However, after talking with Stephanie, um, I felt that she was telling me that what I had to say did not matter and that I should take it. One of them was for the animal clinic or the animal shelter. I was going to set up a nonprofit, which was friends of. Nye County Animal Shelter. And I just threw it out. And the other one was to help people in town that are having trouble cleaning up their lots. We were going to establish another little company that was going to be called Homeowner Assistance Cleanup. And we would put together little groups and send them out to help people clean things up and we were gonna ask for some money for that. But I threw that one out too because I didn't get any support and I'm really upset about that. Thanks.
Thank you, Sam. Anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Patricia Robb, R-O-B-B. I just want to say the reason why I submitted for Kearney Court It's because it's a small little cul-de-sac. There is water and sewer that runs along Kearney Street. The two corner houses have water and sewer. I figured it is considered to be a utility-challenged area, and it's not a massive area, so I was trying to keep the cost down. A cul-de-sac is not going to cost as much as an entire area to get water and sewer in so i'm just trying to help somewhere but it was turned down because there was no planning building permit issued well i do know that maurice and cynthia francis from 2561 kearney court did want to build but they were turned away because they would have to provide the infrastructure for the entire block The people at, I believe it's 2520, has been trying to sell their lot for over a year now because there is no water and sewer there. So again, just trying to help. Of course, no one can build. So when they say there's no plans to build, that's because they can't build. They can't build if there's no water and sewer there. So that's why I submitted that, just to let you know. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Debra.
Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. That is what I talk about when I'm talking about water. And I think it's really, really important that we pass the... projects that will make the biggest difference to the most of your constituents. We don't want worthless water, worthless land, worthless homes. We need to have water and good, healthy water. Thank you. Oh, I was late today because the Well Owners Association was Measuring how deep our well had gone it went from in the time the nine and a half years. We've been here it went from 58 feet to 72 feet I don't know if that's a lot or a little But because I was kind of headed out the door when they told us. Thank you.
Thank you Sam do we have anybody on the phone please?
Yes chair the caller is unmuted Please speak and spell your name for the record
Hello, Commissioners. Michael David Garcia, GARCIA. Can you hear me?
Go ahead, sir.
Oh, thank you. Thank you. Given the, are you okay? Is somebody banging out or having an absolute? Hello? Can you all hear me? You said yes. Hello? I was wondering the banging, you know, are we still dealing with self-gratification? But anyhow, I basically think, you know, Any state or federal agency that allows you to deal with public grants, considering the obvious dip in your margins, is outright criminal. So just the fact that you're able to practice this area, given the light of the disdain against the people and basically state and federal guidelines, You know, somebody's going to be held accountable here pretty soon. You know, there's assurities that come with those, and just your rules, ordinances, and regulations don't supersede those. But one of these days, we're going to have a wake-up call. And maybe we should start with the First Amendment. You know what I mean? How much more time do I have? Maybe I should be able to make use of my full two minutes here. Y'all get more than two minutes, and we get two minutes. First Amendment, do we have a right to criticize our government? Maybe we should start there. Sheriff, DA. CHRIS RODGERS.
Sir, what does this have to do with the agenda item, please?
CHRIS RODGERS. Management.
CHRIS RODGERS. Sir? CHRIS RODGERS. Oh, I just want to state. CHRIS RODGERS. Okay. He's done. Moving on. Sam, do we have anybody else on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Royal Bankton, A-R-R-O-Y-O-B-Y-I-N-G-T-O-N. I work for Beatty General Improvement District. I am one that has submitted a proposal today. I just wanted to say thank you to Stephanie Urga who answered all the questions that I had both via email and phone call. I think she's very well versed in the CDBG guidelines when it comes to this grant. I had the opportunity to go to the Silver State Grants and Procurement Conference and from what I gathered there, is that the CDBG has very strict things that you can apply this grant to, so I just want to say thank you. I'm new to branch everything, so I felt like I had the support I needed to submit my application, and thank you guys for providing this opportunity.
Thank you. Anybody else, Sam, please?
No, Chair.
All right, we're going to close public comment. Commissioners?
Were you interested in hearing from any of the applicants if they're here?
Are there any applicants here? It's up to you guys.
Joe Weston is here.
Come on up, sir. Either of you sirs. Good morning, commissioners.
would you like me to just give you a briefing on our application again?
Yep. Spell your last name and then a briefing would be great. A brief briefing.
Okay. Joe Westerlund, Tonopah Town Manager. Last name is W-E-S-T-E-R-L-U-N-D. And the project that we submitted for the CDBG grant is approximately $700,000 to bridge the gap we have on our SRF grant that we're getting. Back in 2020, our population was 1,799 per the state demographer. This year it came out, it's 3,074. So we're seeing a huge increase in our population. And we had a PER done by Shaw Engineering, finished up earlier in the year. And that showed that we have a storage deficit on our ARAT mountain tanks. That tank feeds directly down to the Sierra Vista area and also serves as a reservoir to supply water to our other tanks in town. We're seeing a huge influx of people coming in from all the mining activities that we have around the area. Goldfield just opened up their construction portion of their project. Those people are coming into town. We don't have a lot of rentals in town. We have developers that are trying to meet with us and come in and start doing things. And it ties our hands because we have There are certain restrictions on those tanks that we have the deficit on, which there's fire restrictions. We can't take those tanks down to a certain level. We want to install a 500,000 gallon tank up on the Arat Mountain. And total price of that is about $3.1 million. I also wanted to say that we have participated in the CDBG grant programs before, along with other state and federal programs. We have never we have always been on time and reported everything that we are required to do, and we've closed out everything on time. So we have a really great record with the CDBG, and we have a great record with the state of Nevada.
All right. Thank you, Joe. Come on up, sir.
Okay. Oh, thank you.
Hello, my name is Benjamin Magana. Excuse me, M-A-G-A-N-A. I am the new general manager for Beatty Water and Sanitation District. A new face just took over on June 1st of this year. We submitted two projects. The most important one is the, sorry for the long title, the EW4 Well and Water Treatment Plant Rehabilitation Project. and arsenic treatment plant improvement project. Just to summarize that, the treatment plant has three filter media vessels that are used to remove the arsenic that comes in from the well. And the current media, we recently did a, we had some sampling done from the company who built it out of New Jersey in August. And we got the lab results and it's reached its maximum lifespan, just about. And to confirm that, the last two quarters of our arsenic testing, the EPA, which the state of Nevada follows, sets the maximum contaminant level for 0.010, which is 10 parts per billion of arsenic in the water. And our quarter two testing was at 0.015. parts-per-billion just over and our quarter three years at point zero one one we know that we have to uh... definitely change out the filter media and take care of this problem uh... e w four goes hand-in-hand with it because it's the water source that feeds the water into the arsenic treatment plant removal and that has occurrence parts-per-billion count of about thirty to thirty four it's already over the MCL and as the water comes into the arsenic plant, it strips it and removes it and gets it down to below the level. So that project, I've turned everything in. The only thing we're in the process of is completing the environmental assessment. It's pretty much complete. We just have to send out the letters to the respective agencies associated with that.
Say something about the project.
I know that project is a little over 600,000, about 595,686 would be CDBG grant funds. We do have some in-kind amount. A LITTLE OVER 14,000. THE ONLY REASON I SUBMITTED THE SECOND PROJECT WAS I WASN'T SURE OF HOW MUCH FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE AND MAYBE THOUGHT, WISHFUL THINKING MAYBE WE WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT APPLY. SO WE SUBMIT A SECOND PROJECT AND OR IN CASE, THE SECOND PROJECT IS A LITTLE OVER 200,000 AND THAT'S IN REGARDS TO SCADA UPGRADES FOR THE WELL SITES. ALSO TO PUT IN SOME TRANSFER SWITCHES TO THE Generators and some of the well sites in case the event the power goes out automatic transfer switches kick on and the well and the Wells keep running as well as the plan like I said that one I put that one in just in case there was a limited amount of applicants more funding or maybe the board decided hey, we'll go with a smaller budget and that one is obviously, you know a third of the cost of the first project so I I'd like to thank you guys for your time and consideration.
Thank you very much. I'm going to transfer back to Tonopah.
James Swaggart, S-W-I-G-A-R-T. I'm the town manager at Round Mountain.
And with me is... Josh Yost, Y-O-S-T, down at Round Mountain, public works manager.
Before... let Josh explain the project. And this is our first time submitting for a grant. So, but I want to talk a little bit about the history, history of Unique Round Mountain. And I encourage everyone to go to Google Earth and pull up that area, Smoky Valley, and encourage everyone to come on out. But Round Mountain, Old Round Mountain is what we call it. There's only eight residents up there. But it was built in 1906. It was started mining again through the 30s, 40s, 70s. And then they had a big discovery and started with the open pit. And Round Mountain Gold, who was number one taxpayer for Nye County for many, many, many years, they decided to move the town down to an alfalfa field where Hadley is. So Ramon gold moved it. Everyone down except for just a handful of people in old town. So Hadley was, was pretty much built by, and it has everything come on out. We have a school, we have a pool, we have a golf course, right? So bring your clubs. It, uh, left Old Town, which deteriorated over the years. But there's close to 250 lots up there. So we have the necessity and the need to repair the infrastructure for the water system. But we do have an opportunity to create a whole new town for Nye County. If you look at Zillow, Zillow is, uh, and you look at the prompt areas, other areas, there's a lot of red dots. You go look at round mountain area and that includes the Carver's area. Also don't want to exclude them, but there's not a lot of housing up there. It's a, the opportunity to turn old town and it's just a bit of vision. I might not ever see it, but it has the potential. Once the mining is done, become a Jerome, Arizona, or become a Virginia City, Nevada. The potential, it's there. And I think necessity and opportunity. With that said, I'll let Josh explain the project a little bit.
So what we're looking to do up there is fix a failing infrastructure. We have decaying pipes, our tanks in disarray at best. So what we're asking for is $620,000, and that would take care of relining the tank, the 300,000-gallon tank that's up there, replacing mains down to what you could call a subdivision. We're going into... all the roads, all the properties, all the lots that are up there and just being providing better water to, uh, the town that's up or the people who are up there already and the potential for more people to move up there.
Plus the maintenance, it's, uh, the maintenance that Josh and his crew and time and effort. It's like, uh, it's like making repairs on a 1972 Datsun pickup. Okay. I'm kind of dating myself there or at 2025 Tundra Toyota Tundra. So the costs are just, just, uh, they keep to increase year by year by year. And one thing about that ground up there is about four to five feet of sand and silt. So you never see a surface leak. Uh, so, We know we have a leak somewhere because our pumps are running longer and longer and longer. And that's just extra cost and waste of water also.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Go ahead, Stephanie.
With your permission, if we can check the phones. I know Autumn was on the phone earlier with a quick public comment, but she may like to talk about the project in more detail.
The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Our proposal is for the replacement and repair of the sidewalks in Cottonwood Park. We have been working on replacing the most critical points over the last few years, so Essentially, these sidewalks have been placed in the 1970s, 80s, and they're just coming to the part where they're crumbling, they're lifting, and they're just not really accessible for anyone with a handicap or wheelchair accessibility. We also have been working on making a continuous loop around Cottonwood Park for exercise, just to connect businesses, make it safer for people to walk outside of the road. And we did get 800 square feet along Armagosa Street. So we were really excited about that. And we have noticed there's been an uptake with usage. So now our next goal is to finish connecting that outer loop. That will require us working with the Beattytown Advisory Board and getting their permission to continue the sidewalk in their public easement area and then also to put that forth to Public Works for approval. And then other than that, we are looking at just the concrete paths inside the park. We had replaced around the concession stand as our first replacement. It was really pocketed and heavily damaged And we specifically noted around baby days that people were kind of tripping. It wasn't easy for those who were pushing people in wheelchairs. And so we just think that this is really important to our community and our community does have an older community and we would plan on continuing to. Make replacements as we go, but as I said, we've already made some replacements and we're looking at $60,000 over the last two years So we're hoping that you guys will consider our proposal here And support us in making this an accessible facility for our town Okay, thank you for that come on up Stephanie
Great projects, right? No, you did great. Really good.
Questions? Sorry, go ahead, sir.
Oh, don't be sorry. Very difficult.
No, we don't have to rank yet.
That is correct. We'll come back in November for actual ranking. What we're doing today is submitting applications to the state CDBG program analyst to review and verify if these are considered eligible projects. They all look really good.
Through the Chair. Stephanie, thank you, and I think Stephanie.
Yeah, Erga did all of the hard leg work on this, guys.
Well, she usually does.
Thanks, thanks. Only kidding.
I had to make her smile back there. So if we can put this into perspective, We know that the state has $3 million for the 17 counties under the CDBG project this year. And of course, all of these requests are legitimately important. They all are, absolutely. So my question is, and I know through experience, we all know through experience that the CDBG panel goes through with a fine tooth comb and sometimes they reject the projects that are submitted to them. Sometimes they approve two, sometimes none, sometimes one. And we play the risk of that happening. So my question is, because I believe these are all so very important. My question is, are we able to consider an amount up to for these projects, four of the five projects, for example? Are we able to, here, let me be more specific, Stephanie. If we were to say we appreciate what their cost, their ultimate cost is going to be, but the lion's share of the monies we know are going to go to other counties. Are we able to say we'll give, for example, $200,000, up to $200,000 per project in hopes that it passes the second phase?
Are you stating that you would like Nye County to participate in the match?
Didn't say anything about the match. that if we cut down their requests to 200,000, for example, and then we'll try to help them figure out where to get the balance, and 200,000 looking at these projects, I mean, 200,000 is a lot of money, but it's almost 50% less or more than what their requests are.
So, Knight County would only be eligible for two Knight County grant awards in this next round.
Okay. And so, your confidence level of you and Stephanie working with CDBG in detail with these programs year after year... Do you suggest, would you suggest us giving an amount up to for those two projects that we're going to force rank in November?
I would not. I would recommend that we ask for the full CDBG funding request. One of the questions that they do ask is whether or not your project can be phased. So, for instance, we'll just start at the top. Let's say Cottonwood Park sidewalks is phased. approved the board likes it it's not only economic development it's infrastructure it's good for families but we can't give you the 265 we can only give you 200. it is possible that we may be able to accept less upon their recommendations the other question that they would also ask of every applicant is can this project be phased so in part of autumn's application it was phased out so yes We could take a portion of the funds that are available and awarded to us and do phase two and three, but we may have to come back next year to get phase four. Or in the meantime, I know each of these applicants were providing other grant availabilities and opportunities that are available within the state. So having a phased project approach will reduce the amount of CDBG funding that would be awarded, but then they have that anticipation of reporting and coming back the following year to finish out the project.
And it's not guaranteed?
That is correct.
Yes, okay. Any other questions?
Chair, I would like to see us put in all of them for review, see what CBDG comes back with. Then when we go back into it November 17th, we do our ranking and determine who rises to the top with the top two.
At that time, would you like them to do all of the applicants, assuming they're all eligible? I think they will be. Would you like to have another presentation with photos or any sort of formal presentation?
That would be a good idea.
And we'll do the limited time. Okay.
And through the chair, I will mention as well that there are other people that didn't submit their requests. The folks that did submit their request, please don't take it personal because the grants team, they know full well and they have the confidence of, you know what, we're not, and I'm not speaking for Stephanie or Stephanie Orga, okay? But they have the experience of what's been rejected in the past and not to waste any time or money or your time or money. Perhaps maybe the presentation or response wasn't received as well as expected and so I'll apologize to those folks that did submit or wanted to submit knowing that perhaps their idea was a good one but it just wasn't going to pass the test, right?
Thank you for your time.
So thank you.
Thank you, Chair.
Okay. Moving on to number eight, please.
Item eight, 10 a.m. timed item for possible action, public hearing, discussion, and deliberation on ZC26-6, an application for a zone change to change one parcel from a rural estates residential to rural homestead residential. For a total of 4.6 acres located at 2091 West Quail Run Road, Pahrump, Nevada, assessor's parcel number 029551-05, Jennifer Wessel, property owner applicant. Thank you for that. Hello.
Thank you, Chair. Amanda Marshall, M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L. The Preempt Regional Planning Commission heard this item at their August 12, 2026 meeting. After discussion of the items, the PRPC voted 7 to 0 to recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners. This item is a request for a zone change of one parcel totaling 4.6 acres from RE1. to RH 4.5 and conforms to the existing master plan. I'm available for any questions you may have. Thank you.
Thank you for that, Amanda. So let's go ahead and open public comment first, if you guys don't mind. Come on up. Nope.
Oh, I see. Thank you so much. I'm the applicant. My name is Jennifer Wessel, W-E-S-S-E-L. Look at this incredible opportunity we have today following a unanimous recommendation from the Regional Planning Commission. I am seeking the zone change for my home to bring complete municipal oversight, accountability, and full legal compliance to Riders Rescue Ranch, a 501 nonprofit. Our community has an animal welfare gap, and I believe my partner Chelsea and I have the exact space, passion, and expertise to fill it. We'd like to create a private sanctuary where animals, and humans come together to learn, heal, and thrive while remaining an exemplary, respectful neighbor. To ensure Riders Rescue Ranch's viability, without depending on fluctuating donations, the requested zone change allows for scheduled low-impact boarding, doggy daycare services, and a private dog park through the online platforms Rover and Sniff Spot. My operational plan strictly adheres to appointment-only services, reducing noise and traffic with a 10-minute drop-off and pickup interval to maintain a tranquil neighborhood atmosphere. Revenue generated through commercial business operations would help fund facility maintenance, outreach programs, animal feed, and emergency and continuous veterinary care. A self-sustaining business model that directly serves our county's residents while protecting its animals. Furthermore, business operations will actively support wildlife conservation and and ethical animal practices. I am educated in fear-free and at-liberty training methods. I've specialized in saving animals deemed too damaged or afraid and compassionately bringing out their best over time. I love teaching people about animals and their care, and it is my purpose in life to provide a safe haven where animals can heal and people can learn to develop a greater appreciation for the natural world. Some of us 4-H kids actually do grow up to lead the next generation of ethical agricultural practices. Now it is in my mission to share my unique abilities in understanding animal and human behavior developed from years of professional experience and community service.
Thank you very much. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
My name is Courtney Wolf, W-O-L-F-F. calling in support of the zone change for riders rescue ranch my sister chelsea nolan is the treasurer there has always had a love and passion for animals and animal rescue i have visited the ranch myself often with my young daughter it's a beautiful sanctuary and i believe the approval of a zone change will be beneficial and a positive impact on the community thank you thank you come on down the front please
Good morning. My name is Chelsea Nolan and O L E N. I am the vice president and treasurer of writers rescue ranch. Our ranch is not simply about providing sanctuary education and inspiration are at the heart of what we want to accomplish. We want writers rescue ranch to be a place where people of all abilities and backgrounds feel welcome. That includes sensory friendly experiences geared towards individuals who may benefit from a lower sensory environment. A study of children with autism found that when dogs were present, the children's morning cortisol response dropped from a 58% to only 10%. Then when the dogs were temporarily removed, it rose again to 48%. Cortisol is one of the body's primary stress hormones. That is a striking statistic behind the idea that animals provide a calming, regulating presence. We also hope to create opportunities specifically for our veterans. An average of 17 veterans die by suicide each day. While animals are not a replacement for professional mental health care, we believe creating opportunities for connection, service, and meaningful interaction can be a valuable part of a healing journey, a segue that some people need to get the professional mental health care that they deserve. Our onsite educational programs will be intentionally small, allowing us to prioritize safety, animal welfare and meaningful interaction while complying with all federal, state and county regulations. Our community engagement will not stop at the ranch. We envision bringing programs to schools, libraries, hospitals, senior centers, community organizations, festivals, and other local venues. Programs such as art classes, nature workshops, photography days, wellness programs, future zookeeper events, and community service projects. every one of these programs serving the same purpose, to support our rescued animals while creating opportunities for people to learn, connect, heal, and develop a greater appreciation for the natural world. I respectfully ask for your approval of the requested zone change so that we can take the next steps towards making this a vision for Pahrump.
Thank you very much. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Amy Nelson. In the LSON, I was at the meeting where this was approved, and I'm torn with it because they do such great work. But I am absolutely against any zone changes with our, I can't remember the name of our plan, the county plan. But it sounds like it's going to do a lot of good for a lot of people. And in my opinion, this is a tough call. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on up, sir. Hi, my name is Ryan Milliken, M-I-L-L-I-K-E-N. I just want to state I am one of those people that are currently benefiting from the farm. My best friend, Oso, goes there for daycare. I had the honor of meeting Chelsea and Jennifer roughly a year and a half ago when I was searching for daycare for my rescued best friend, Mr. Oso Wilde. who also had some things to say at this meeting, but I promised him I'd represent both of us, and I feel confident I can do that. Oso and I interviewed three of the highest recommended doggy daycares in Perum. One didn't show for the scheduled meetup. The other was a bubbly young woman who Oso thought was a bit flighty and motioned to me that it was a hard pass. And then there was Jennifer and Chelsea. I could tell just by the way they approached Oso, letting him decide on his own path. who he was going to choose, and he chose them. Little did Oso and I know that we had struck gold, and that gold was evident in their hearts, in their highly conscious, loving, empathetic, and tenacious tenacity. As a side note, we discussed over lobster rolls in conversation one day that we shared the same dream of operating a rescue farm. After my tour of the farm, my dream suddenly became real and achievable. I followed them around, watching excitedly how they interacted with each animal. I could feel a deep respect and love in each encounter with the animals. We all know a relative or friend who seems to communicate well with the animals in a way that is rare and intuitive and sometimes to be mesmerized. It occurred to me that day why these women would want to share their rich and full life that they had created out of pure love with the public. When your heart is so full each day from doing what you love, eventually it pours out into your community. What I see these two women overfilled with gratitude, hope, and dreams, that others will see the immense value and hope in the dreams of others.
Thank you very much. I'm sorry. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
yes chair the caller is unmuted please speak and spell your name for the record my name is monica zavala z-a-v-a-l-a i'm calling this morning because i want to speak in support of jennifer wessel and her request to open riders rescue ranch as a non-profit rescue i've known jen for over 20 years and i can honestly say that caring for animals has always been something She takes very seriously. She has the knowledge, experience, and compassion that I believe are so important when running a rescue. Jennifer has extensive experience with stage husbandry and understands what it takes to properly care for animals, from appropriate housing and sanitation to nutrition handling, enrichment, and keeping animals safe and healthy. She also worked for many years as a veterinary tech, so she has a strong background in animal health. She knows how to recognize when something isn't right how to provide appropriate care, and when an animal needs further veterinary attention. One of the things I really admire about Jen is that she is willing to help animals that may have behavioral issues and or special needs. She doesn't give up on an animal just because it's difficult or doesn't behave the way someone expects. She takes the time to understand the animal and figure out how to work with it. I know this personally because I've reached out to her many times for help with my own pets including pet rats my dog and even a leopard gecko i've gone to her with questions about different animals in different situations and she always has been willing to help share her knowledge and offer guidance that says a lot about the kind of person she is and the kind of care she wants to provide like i said i've known her for more than two decades and i trust her knowledge her judgment and most importantly her commitment to the animals she cares for I believe that Riders Rescue Ranch would be a wonderful resource for animals in need of a positive addition and a positive addition to the community. Any community would be lucky to have Jen and the services and knowledge she can provide as a resource. She has the experience, compassion, and heart to make Riders Rescue Ranch something truly special. I'm asking you to please support her zoning request and give her the opportunity to make Riders Rescue Ranch a reality. Thank you for letting me speak this morning and I appreciate your consideration.
Thank you. Come on down, please.
Well, I was going to say good morning, but I guess it's afternoon now. Hi, my name is Helen Wessel, W-E-S-S-E-L. My husband and I flew here from Chicago to be here in person today and proudly speak on behalf of our daughter, Jennifer Lynn Wessel and Chelsea Nolan. in their vision to establish and lead an animal rescue and sanctuary here in Pahrump. Running an animal rescue and sanctuary is not just about a love for animals. It requires grit, unwavering resilience, financial strategy, and the ability to inspire a community. Jennifer and Chelsea together embodies every single one of these traits. Jennifer's mission isn't a recent ambition. It is the culmination of a lifelong calling. From the time she was a little girl, our home was a revolving door for creatures sick, injured or in need. She would rehabilitate lost strays, baby birds, tiny squirrels and raccoons who had lost their mother. With endless patience, she would nurse them back to health, protect them and carefully release them back into nature where they belonged. Jennifer discovered her life's purpose in those early moments of quiet healing. After Jennifer grew, she transformed that childhood compassion into formidable professional expertise as a certified wildlife rehabilitator. With her education in criminal justice and conservation, followed by a career of specialty veterinary experience as an emergency room nurse, she has managed critical medical cases and deeply understands the physical and emotional demands of rehabilitation. Her transition into hospital management, where she successfully ran three emergency veterinary hospitals in Las Vegas, demonstrates her ability to oversee budgets, navigate complex logistics, and lead high performing teams under immense pressure. But Jen's capability goes far beyond the clinic walls. She is a gifted trainer with a profound, intuitive understanding of animal behavior. Whether she is working to really... Oh, darn.
Thank you.
Please vote yes. Please.
Sam, do we have anybody on the phone?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Come on down and prompt, please.
Good afternoon, my name is Melissa Stearns, S-T-E-A-R-N-S. I volunteer with Chelsea and Jen at their farm. They are very compassionate about everything that they do. Right down from when I walked in the door, I had a list of check off things that I have to achieve before they will allow me to spend time one on one with the animals. Since my meeting with them, I have had the opportunity of taking my grandchildren over there, and they are phenomenal. They get down at their level, they talk to them, they educate them, and it's amazing that they have a porcupine. Where would you find a porcupine in Pahrump other than a Jen and Chelsea's place? My grandson absolutely loves going over and playing with Sid. They have tortoises, they have All kinds of different animals, and like they have mentioned, they do do special needs animals as well. I mean, they have some that are missing limbs, but they're just so well taken care of, and their place is just amazing. I've seen other farms around town that aren't nearly as clean as Wetchen and Chelsea have. Their lot is completely cleared off. They have proper fencing. They have proper water for their animals. And they are just amazing people. And I just think that this would benefit our town and our community and even our kids with not so much to do here in Pahrump. I think it would be an asset to us all. Thank you. Thank you. Come on down in Pahrump, please.
My name is Jim Goss, G-O-O-S-S. One thing I'm not going to do is tear into everybody up here. You pretty well got beat up this morning, so I'll let you take it easy. I was going to say a whole bunch of stuff about Jen and Chelsea, but it's all been said. Everything that I could think of to say has been said. Has any one of you driven out by Check out the place? Oh, really? How many, if you don't mind me asking? One, two, three. I commend you on that, I really do. But no, but you can't ask for two better people. My dog goes out there and chases or loves the porcupine and the turtle. Don't ask me why, but she does. She's husky. But I can't say any more than anybody else has said. Everything they've said, times a hundred. That's the type of people they are, and they're good. And you need to vote yes. Get this taken care of, and let them go. They've been working for a long time.
Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
DAVID WESSEL JR.: Good morning, commissioners. My name is David Wessel Jr., W-E-S-S-E-L. And I'm calling from Illinois today in support of my little sister, Jennifer Wessel, Riders Rescue Ranch, and her zone change request, ZC266. First, I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak on her behalf. Jennifer is my little sister, so obviously I love her and want to see her succeed. But I'm not asking you to support ZC266. simply because my sister, I'm asking you to consider what she has built, the work she has put into it, and what Riders Rescue Ranch is trying to accomplish. I have the privilege of watching Jennifer growing up into the woman she is today. When she decides something matters to her, she puts her whole heart into it, and Riders Rescue Ranch is one of those things. This isn't just a hobby to Jennifer. She has put her own time, money, energy, and countless hours into giving animals a safe place when they need one. Rescue work isn't easy. Animals need to be fed and cared for every single day. There are veterinary expenses, cleaning, property maintenance, and unexpected situations that don't happen at a convenient schedule. Jennifer willingly takes on those responsibilities because she believes those animals deserve someone who will care for them. I also understand why we're here today. Zoning regulations exist for a reason, and I completely respect the responsibility this board has to consider the surrounding neighborhood, the property, and the community as a whole. The request before you, ZC266, would change Jennifer's approximate 4.6 acre property from rural estate residential, RE1, to rural homestead residential, RH4.5. I hope you consider that request. or you also consider what Jennifer is actually trying to accomplish on that property. Riders Rescue Ranch isn't some large commercial development coming into Pahrump. Looking to change the character of the community. Thank you, sir. Come on down, ma'am.
I'm Ann Aldrich, A-L-D-R-I-C-H. My husband was not able to come with me. He's ill. But we are in support of the zoning change for the applicant of Jennifer. We are grateful for Jennifer and her partner, Chelsea, and the rescue. We lost our dog, Sitter, a few years ago. And we have a special needs dog that we did rescue here from the Nye County shelter. We found out that he has issues with seizures. So we found somebody that was helpful and knowing, understanding to take care of him in the need of, you know, he needed care. We visited the property at various times over the past couple years. I can see that the animals in their areas are clean, they're well cared for. Their house is more spotless than mine and they have tons of animals. They're both very knowledgeable. They've told me about different animals when we've gone around. My dog loves the pigs. He's pictured on there. I trust that they can care for him when he has the seizures. I'm asking the board to commissioners to approve the application by Miss Wessel, change the property zoning. We need somebody here in Pahrump that is trustworthy and caring for the animals, and Jen is that person, and I thank you.
Thank you. Come on down in Pahrump, please.
Angelina Jackson, JAC, KSON. My first encounter and only encounter with these two young ladies was at the planning commission when they were applying, presenting in front of them at that time. And I know you guys get a lot of people come in front of you that are applying for applications to be rescues and all that. And these two, I don't know. If you may talk to them for just five minutes, it'll tell you right then and there. And you can see it in them that the passion that they have and that the love and dedication that they actually have, it's not something you know do fly by night. It's in their soul. If there should be any exception to any kind of zone changing, this would be the one. Not only will the animals benefit from it, but the entire community will. I strongly believe that. That's children, you know, teenagers could go there and volunteer instead of roaming the streets. There's a lot more benefits to it than anything else that's been presented in front of you. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Come on down and prompt, please.
Hello, Vanessa Fernandez, F-E-R-N-A-N-D-E-Z. Good afternoon, commissioners. I'm here today on behalf of our organization, Southwestern Wilds, to state that we are in strong support of Riders Rescue and their request for approval. With decades of experience in equine and animal welfare, we have high expectations of the organizations we choose to work with. As fellow 501 nonprofits, we've developed a collaborative relationship with Riders Rescue, and we've come to know and respect the work they do. Throughout this process, they have risen to every challenge and requirement the county has placed before them. They've made the necessary adjustments, continued moving forward, and done what has been asked of them. Good intentions alone are not enough in animal rescue. Experience, sound judgment, and responsible care matter. And Riders Rescue has demonstrated those qualities. They bring another valuable resource to Nye County and to the animals who need it. It's time to elevate what our animals deserve. Southwestern Wilds proudly supports the ladies of Riders Rescue, and we respectfully ask this board to grant their approval. Thank you.
Thank you, Vanessa. Come on down to the front, please.
Renee Jones, day ONES, Southwestern Wilds. Just want to let you know I am in support for their zone change, and mainly people were talking at the planning commission. They're worried about the noise and all that, and like I told them, if you go over there, My two chihuahuas are louder than their whole farm. So basically, they're amazing with collaborative efforts, with mental health, with disability. They're amazing. Go over there and make an appointment and take a tour of their facility. It's amazing, and I vote for this.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. had the opportunity of listening on this one with the regional planning in August. And I'll tell you what, what you're seeing here is, I think Commissioner Cox would have said, is a no brainer. You've got, in the presentation that they gave at RPC, you're talking about the ability of proper training. You're talking about capabilities You're talking about a very solid operation. In fact, I believe Christie Sigmund put it best, I wish more rescues and properties were as organized and as clean as this one. So to me, this is an easy call. And you've got, there were a lot of people speaking in favor at RPC. You can see it now. You have neighbors that did. and very few concerns at all from what I saw, other than general, hey, just make sure there's no smell and things of that nature. You've got a good operation here, good opportunity. Take it.
Thanks, Tim. Come on down up front, please.
Hi, my name is Pam Seegmiller, S-E-E-G.
There you go.
Pam Seegmiller, S-E-E-G-M-I-L-L-E-R. I live exactly next door to these women. And I recommend that you guys give them the rezoning. I don't smell anything.
I don't hear anything.
But those are seasonal. But I love them. I love all the animals. I have seen firsthand what they do. It's a miracle. I've seen what they have done. with horses and donkeys and other animals. It's amazing. Please give them the rezoning. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down in Pahrump, please.
Dan Pineau, P-I-N-E-A-U. I think this would be a great asset to our community, not only for the kids, but the animals. We all know that there's not much for kids to do here, and for them to go out there, I think it would be great. I ask that you guys vote yes to support this. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Come on down and parent please.
Morning commissioners, my name is David Wessel senior. I address you today to express. my enthusiastic support for the proposed animal nonprofit initiative, spearheaded by my daughter Jennifer Lynn Wessel and Chelsea Nolan, who are present today. In my personal visits to Pahrump, I have seen firsthand how deeply your community values the safety and well-being of all inhabitants, including your local animal population. present to vouch for Jennifer and Chelsea's character capability and unwavering dedication to this cause from a very young age Jennifer had shown her trust to nature and it's incredible love given back to her while visiting sandy pond Baxter State Park in a state of Maine Jennifer who was only nine years of age turned to me with this passion and I quote she said dad I can talk to the animals Positioning herself at the water's edge, she carefully called out into the open lake, for there was a seven-foot female northern moose diligently grazing up and down. It was literally the length of two football fields away. But somehow, her simple gesture to communicate in a language between the two was remarkable. While calling, she had brought that incredible animal within five feet of our standing. Jennifer and Chelsea continually demonstrate a profound spiritual compassion for animals and a remarkable sense of responsibility. Whether caring for horses at home, volunteering at local rescue groups, fostering injured or abused animals of all kinds, Jennifer reflects skills needed for this task. Her career over 20 years has allowed her to master one-on-one experiences of all facets of the profession while studying animal science and behavior along the way.
Thank you, sir, very much. And it's W- Sorry. No, you're fine. W-E-S-S-E-L, for the record.
Come on down, Linda.
You didn't spell it.
Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K. I attended the meeting at the Planning Commission, and I was really quite impressed with these people. I wish we had more. I mean, we've got Christie, and we're all thankful for that. We've got the horse rescue. We're thankful for them. And we need these. We have too many animals running around and hurt, injured, lost, you name it, we have it. It's disgusting. So my point today is, with all the stuff that comes before this board, good or bad, unfortunately seems to be mostly bad lately, Why would we not say yes to these people? I'm sure you will. I'm positive you will. And if you don't, you've got a lot of people out here that hate you, and you know that. OK, so we approve all these other things. You've got your choices. You've got data centers. You've got all this med waste crap. You've got glove factories. All this stuff that come before us, I know, Deborah, it's not on the agenda. So this is my question. You have choices here. We change codes. We change zoning for all these other people. They're asking for something very simple, and no one's objecting to their neighborhood and what's going on. We have to say yes. It makes absolutely common sense, and I hope you still find that.
Thank you for that. There's that negative again. Nobody's a bigger animal lover up here than me. Come on down, sir.
Yes, here we go. My name is Angel Moreno, still, M-O-R-E-N-O. I got a quick question for you folks. What do you call a porcupine riding on a tortoise's back? A slowpoke. So, I want to tell you that because, oh, first of all, I'm their neighbor down the street. Love these girls. I'm not going to tell you about all their incredible, because you've heard it plenty of lifetimes over. So, my joke came from actually meeting their porcupine. And they're turtles, and the ducks, and the chickens, and pigs, and everything. In fact, we spent a couple days over there helping them clean up and work with stuff there. I got to see just incredible stuff. I learned about the porcupine story. quite a bit from them just when I was there. And it caused me to look into them more and just randomly, you know how the internet is now, I come across stuff and my wife found that joke. So mom, just to say this is that they create that desire to learn. There's an incredible amount of therapy. I had a stroke, and I will tell you this, my animals and fur babies and chickens and everything are very therapeutic. It's very therapeutic. You would not believe until you've actually seen it or gone through it. So my ask is please say yes.
Thank you, Mr. Marino. I appreciate it. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Jim Nolan, N-O-L-E-N, and I'm calling in support of this agenda item. The property owner is thoughtfully requesting to rezone their 4.6 acre parcel from RE1 to RH 4.5. This slight adjustment to the zoning will have zero negative effect on the prompt area. Jennifer Wessel is a seasoned veterinary manager, and Chelsea Nolan is an experienced care provider and professional marine biologist. They're both humanitarians, experienced professionals in the care of animals, the land, the community, and how a rural property should be used very seriously. This request fits their standards. The change is modest and appropriate for this site. It's 4.6 acre parcel that's consistent with RH 4.5 and compatible with the rural character of the area and the master plan. It's a reasonable site specific adjustment that will provide needed services to the front area. This is a positive step in building a stronger community. The application has already received support. It's needed through the first hearing and was recommended unanimously to this board for permanent approval. I ask that you honor that recommendation and approve the zone change today. Thank you for your time.
Thank you. Come on down. As soon as we can vote.
Good morning. Julia Musall, M-U-S-A-L-L. Ten years ago, there was another animal foundation here. And I began with it from day one before anything was even built. And It was a sad day when it closed after two years. It was very beneficial to veterans with their PSDD. Kids came up and volunteered, it was very nice. And it provided a lot of help for the community. The animals that were adopted out, We were very strict on who took these animals. So I am very happy to hear that we have another foundation available. And the animals, the pictures got me. But then when the mother talked about her daughter, It's very heartwarming to hear it, and they seem, oh, don't cry. I know, they seem very qualified, very loving, and I just hope that you guys allow this, because our community does need it. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hi, my name is Lillian Gagnon, last name G-A-G-N-O-N. I'm calling in from Sparks, Nevada for the support of Jen. I've been good friends and colleagues with both Chelsea and Jennifer for close to a decade now. I've worked professionally with them in a zoological setting and also in a veterinary setting with Jennifer. They've both shown integrity and vast knowledge and love for their fellow creatures. It's for that reason that Jennifer has become my best friend. She was my maid of honor, and she's had my back multiple times throughout the decade. Her ability to run a rescue shouldn't be in question. It is without a doubt to me that she'll show this community what love and compassion can do when it is given proper authority to operate. That being said, after hearing all the testimony and uh sitting down and listening to everything that just went on i think you guys will make the right decision today thank you thank you come on christy christy sigmundus i e g m u n d
Manager Animal Services. I'm going to keep what I have to say really short and just say ditto to everybody who has already spoken. From an Animal Services standpoint, I have zero concerns. I have had the privilege of working with these ladies. I have had the privilege of touring their facility. Truly, I wish more. As Tim Bohannon said, I wrote in my report that we had rescues and sanctuaries and organizations like theirs.
Thank you for that, Kristi. And I also wish we had more, if we could just clone these guys. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please, so we can get to a vote?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Rebecca Girard, G-I-R-A-R-D. I've had the pleasure of knowing or having Jennifer as my pet sitter since late 2024, early 2025. She's been an amazing asset to the life of my dogs while I travel. I knew Jenny was meant to love my pack when after her first visit, I checked my ring camera and heard her saying goodbye to the dogs. I'll never forget the love and kindness she showed while telling my babies, see you tomorrow. In November of last year, we lost my sole dog, Delilah. Unfortunately, it was Thanksgiving morning while I was in Florida with my entire family. Jenny showed so much compassion and love during one of the absolute hardest times of my life. Being that I was over 2,000 miles away, Jenny spent her Thanksgiving morning making arrangements, sorry, on my behalf. She contacted a local vet to come in on the holiday, and when I returned from my trip, I found she had taken paw prints of my darling girl since I hadn't been able to be there in her last moments. In the past two years, I've hired Jenny to care for my dogs over a dozen times, ranging from a few drop-in visits while I'm in California for the weekend to attend a trip while I was out of the country. Regardless of where I travel or how long I'm gone, I know that my babies are being loved and cared for in my absence. Jenny keeps in such good communication, sending updates on behavior, any concerns she may observe, cute moments, and so, so many pictures. I fully trust that Jenny cares for my animals as if they were her own, but she also sends daily photos of the food and water bowls refilled just for my peace of mind. I currently have a dog pack of four, a very sensitive skittish Great Dane, two very high energy, always looking for trouble Belgian Malinois, and an old grumpy Chiweenie. Jenny has learned their personalities and knows if and when they need a little more love. I look forward to the approval of Jenny's zoning request and the future opening of Riders Rescue Ranch.
I know that if Jenny approaches the project with consistency and love for animals, thank you.
Thank you very much.
Sam, do we have anybody else, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioner. Michael Davis, RCA, GA, RCIA. I'm sorry, what was that? Hello?
Go ahead, Michael.
Oh, thank you, thank you. I appreciate the engagement. As a father, I completely understand the need for the laws of nature. As a sign of hospitality, I would like to donate or yield my time to any other family member that came over from Chicago. I do apologize for our politicians out here cutting their time short. Anybody else that would like to come up and
That's not how this works, Michael. Do you have anything else?
Absolutely. Can you cite what law that is? That I cannot donate my time?
Sir, this has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Can you tell me where you're?
Cut him off. No, I'm trying to. Serena, we're done. Please. Sam, anybody else, please?
No, Chair.
CLOSED. Commissioners? Mr.
Chair, I have a question first. Go ahead. Did you really talk to a moose? Thank you. Go ahead. That's it.
Commissioners, that was only 26 people that said yes. 26 people.
You know they say don't kill the sale.
Oh, oversell the sale. Right? Right.
I do have an objection.
When the chair calls for lunch, You have to give me a head start to get to Walmart to buy you stuffed porcupine.
Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion.
Hold on one sec. This right here you can't see, but it's a two and a half pound chihuahua named Coco.
I knew you were sold on chihuahua.
Go ahead, John.
Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve ZC 26-6.
Jabbour seconds.
Motion second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Jabbour's aye.
We have a comfort break.
Okay, what do you need? Comfort? Comfort break.
Ten-minute comfort break. Keep up the good work, you guys. Seriously. How are we looking, Serena? All right, we need a, hi, Lorena. All about 18, please. One eight.
Item 18, for possible action, discussion and deliberation to A, approve, amend, and approve or reject a lease agreement with Beatty Seniors Inc. for the Beatty Senior Center for the purpose of providing senior services to the residents of Beatty, Nevada, located at 200 South A Avenue, Beatty, Nevada, and B, approve, amend, and approve or reject an interlocal contract with Beatty Seniors Inc. for the county providing administrative and facility services at a cost and purpose of providing senior services to the residents of Beatty, Nevada.
Thank you for that. Hello, Sam.
Thank you, Chair. So in March, we brought this item before the board for consideration to renew the lease, and we present it to the board at the regular rate that anybody else would pay. And the request from Beatty Seniors is to continue to honor the $1 annual lease amount, and then with the interlocal Not really sure where we want to go with that, but most likely waive those administrative and buildings and grounds fees due to their nonprofit status, the services that they provide the community. I do want to mention that the Beatty Town contributes to their functions as well through their town budget. We were given a six month time period to compile information on what it costs to provide that facility to this group and I don't have that. I was not able to receive that from Buildings and Grounds. So my recommendation with the information that I have is to continue the $1 annual lease and we'll do another couple years with them that way.
Okay, let's open public comment first and see if we have anybody on the phone. Just stand by, guys, or we'll see if we have any public. Anybody there for these?
No, Chair.
None here. We're going to close public comment. Okay. Through the Chair. Yes.
Just real quick. She had mentioned that one of the things that we were looking for was what this building costs. I did send it out to you guys today, but it was too late to get it in the backup. But one of the things that, one of the suggestions that William and I have actually talked about, and this isn't just with this facility, but at several of the facilities that are utilized by other agencies and or towns or entities, is to possibly explore looking at just deeding the property over to them and just give it to them. And they are responsible for the maintenance and everything else. Yeah.
Different item. Yep, future item. But I just wanted to throw that out there. And I think the costs associated yearly with this are very negligible for now. But anyway, another day also.
It's just a good partnership, Chair.
Would you like to hear from the applicant, Chair? Sure.
Now I'm on. Okay, thank you. My name is Marty Campbell, C-A-M-P-B-E-L-L, president of the Beatty Senior, Inc. I want to thank you all for taking this time to listen to what we have to say. I'm going to say very little except for that we are an organization that is really needed there in Beatty. The Senior Center has been around there for a long time. And I appreciate all you guys have done in the past, in the present, and in the future. At this time, I'm going to turn it over to our individuals here that will give you more information on what we do. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Go ahead, ma'am, ma'am, either ma'am. Don't be shy. And you don't have to oversell it.
Karen Coe, COE. I'm a volunteer for the Beatty Seniors, Inc., past secretary and manager. But I just want to say that we appreciate that there's a possibility that you might go to the dollar a lease, and we would greatly appreciate that. I did ask for figures from... Mr. Allen and the buildings and grounds concerning that $40,000. And I never did get any details on that. We did have some questions about, he said that he billed it out of one trip for every work order. However, many times when they come, it's spread out to different things. So it's not just Beatty Seniors, Inc., They might have come one time, but they spent the whole day doing other things. There's maybe only a couple times that they actually spent the whole day doing something only on the Beatty Senior Center. So that was kind of questionable. And we kind of felt that, you know, as a landlord, that those costs are usually handled by a landlord. And we did do some figures for 2026, and it looks like we're actually going to serve about 7,800 meals this year versus 6,000 last year. So our clientele is increasing. We do provide meals for those who cannot afford some, and we also do homebound meals. And we, in addition to our activities, we open it to everyone. We have children or anybody who wants to come play the games. We do the game nights or whatever. And so it's open to the community and to everybody. And we feel that out of all of maybe the leases that you have out there that are maybe a dollar, we feel maybe that we're one of the most Deserving because of the services that we provide to the seniors and to our community and we appreciate your support in this matter Thank you.
Thank you All right, did you have anything ma'am or you come to church before I'm gonna think Thank You chair Also say that like she said it's open to everybody we have people come in from passing through that we've got one of the best facilities that they've seen around and I would like to say that the cooks that we have there, I wouldn't trade those for anybody in the world. They do a great job. We have gone into where we're doing a little more work in the area. So it's just, I utilize the place every day myself. All right. And there are a lot of people there that that's their only entertainment they have. We do bingo on Thursday nights, game nights on Tuesday. We have game nights on Sunday. It's open in the morning. It stays open all day long. It's being utilized. And we appreciate all you've done for us.
Thank you very much. Beatty is a super cool spot.
I just have one more thing. We do have the full support of our town board also. We met with them last night on their agenda, and they approved it. letter to come in support of us for this matter and They also support us financially. We would not have been able to do it without their help on some of the utilities Thank you, thank you.
Thank you for that additional information through the chair Beatty the Beatty town advisory board Unanimously votes on and Supports you with in the tune of fifteen thousand dollars approximately fifteen thousand dollars to help you with your utilities and and so this group Nonprofit group they are not takers they are givers They're trying to help save save some monies where they can you know you you didn't mention, but I'll mention it you know you have two cooks that drive to Vegas to help save money, although you're spending money on gasoline, on fuel, but to save money on the food purchase instead of having it delivered to you and they charge you this exorbitant amount of money for the food, for the product, you know. And so that speaks volumes in what you're trying to accomplish and what you do accomplish. Six months ago, I said, you know, This is all the seniors have in Beatty to look forward to every day. And what I'd like to hear the next time that we meet, not necessarily here in Chambers, is that more and more children are going to the facility to help bring that smile to the senior beside them looking forward to the good food that they're going to eat for lunch, right? And we're gonna be calling for lunch soon too. So thank you for driving in from Beatty and giving us that extra info. I'll turn it back over, Chair, if the other commissioners have anything to say. But I'm in full support of this as I always have been and I always will be. So thank you for what you do. And thank you, Sam, for putting this through and working on the contract. You know, we directed administration to go through all of the contracts. And some of you called me and said, how come... They started with Beatty, and I said, well, we alphabetized it. Right? So if you don't want to be first, change the name. I'm only kidding. So, yeah.
All right. If none of the commissioners have anything else, then I'm going to let it.
Well, thank you, Chair. Then I'll move to approve the lease agreement with the Beatty seniors for $1. And... And I'm going to reject the, as they don't, they're not asking for any administration through us, is that correct? You're taking care of the administration, or Sam, are you working still closely with them?
Aside from bringing the lease forward, they have not asked for anything.
Okay, so would it be appropriate that I reject the interlocal contract with the Beatty Seniors for admin?
Yes, and if we need to maybe set parameters, not so much the cost, but parameters for the level of services we do provide, we can come back with something.
Okay, fair enough. So that'll be part of the motion, please.
And a second.
All right, we have a motion and a second. I'm going to call for the vote.
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Item 17, for possible action, discussion and deliberation to appoint a person from the panel of substitute justices of the peace pursuant to NRS 4.340 as a justice of the peace to attend to his or her official duties from the following list of persons, Michael Foley and Philip Bovee. A temporary vacancy from absence, disability, or other cause must not be filled by another justice of the peace or substitute justice of the peace for more than 30 days at one time.
Thank you for that. Let's open public comment on this item, please.
Come on up, Susie. Susie Hertz, AGRTC. So my question is, when are we going to be able to stop the payments to the former Justice of Peace? Is there anything that the Board of Commissioners can do to stop that? drainage of that money.
That's a different item, but he's shaking his head. I'll address later.
Aside from which, I would say please appoint Michael Foley.
Thank you. Thank you. Anybody on the phone, Sam?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. I completely support Michael Foley. Thank you. Thank you on that.
Go ahead, Linda.
Linda Clark, Sally Arkay. You know I'm going to say Michael Foley is the only choice. He should have been the choice from the beginning. And I don't know why you guys did what you did, but we got punished for it. Thank you.
Thanks. Anybody else on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Closing public comment.
Mr. Chair? Yes. I'd like to make the motion again. I'd like to make a motion to, where is it, appoint Michael Foley as a temporary justice of the peace.
Mr. Boer, seconds.
For 30 days.
Whatever. So amended, 30 days. Motion. And a second.
All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Boscovich, aye. That carries 5-0. Thank you. 19, please.
I'm 19 for possible action, discussion, and deliberation to approve adding Kent Vollmer with American Real Estate Appraisal to the list of qualified property appraisers to appraise county property for sale or lease pursuant to NRS 244.2795. Thank you for that.
Let's open public comment first. Come on down, please.
Julia Musall, M-U-S-A-L-L, and I hope you do not approve him. And I'm not trying to be discriminating, but you know what? People from Las Vegas are coming and invading Pahrump, and they want to change everything. And apparently he is from Las Vegas. So sorry, but no. Thank you.
Thank you for that. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Amy Nelson, NELSON. I agree with the former speaker. I wasn't for this to begin with. We have a county assessor, and we have a couple of good realtors sitting right there on the board, or at least who know other people that are local. And we don't need inflated prices from outsiders or other brokers. But that's my opinion. Thank you. Go ahead, Linda.
Linda Clark, CLERK. First of all, I want to know why we need another appraiser. Why? And second, third, I would like to have Ian's opinion of it. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Beth.
That's Borasevich, B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. You know, I had an excellent appraiser when I was going to buy a house here. And, I mean, this guy was meticulous. And he actually showed that a corner of one of the houses I was looking at, it was a stick-built house, he could lift it up. You could literally lift it right off of the foundation, and other guys would not have found that. So I think we should stick to local people because Vegas people are overextending everything here in town, and they will appraise on the high end, which will not make affordable housing here. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anyone on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
OK. If there's no one else, we're going to close public comment.
Chair, this is my item. I'd like to make some clarifications. Thank you. So we are required by NRS, as indicated in the agenda item, to retain appraisers to evaluate our properties to consider fair market value for leases and also sales of properties. For instance, we just considered the Beatty Senior Center. We have to have independent third-party appraisers review our properties, parcels, whatever it might be, and provide us with an appraisal report for the board to set a fair market value in order to then lease our properties or sell. It's, again, required by NRS to have that third party independent. We solicit for appraisers. We run ads in all of our newspapers locally in Vegas. We put it on our website through the purchasing department for various vendors who might be subscribed to receive those solicitations. We did this at the beginning of the year and we only had two responses which were the two appraisal companies that we already had that were set for years. And I ran into this person who also expressed interest in being added to the list. We are required to rotate the list every now and then, get prices before we need to shop. Who's going to provide the best value? This is not to determine anything with private property. This is for county-owned property.
Gotcha. Thank you for that clarification. Okay, commissioners.
Mr. Chairman, may I just, because of my background, there's just a couple things I'll just let people know. First is that there's two kinds of appraisers. There's a residential, there's a commercial. The commercial people, sometime in the 90s when the industry was regulated, what happened was, this is true, they sent out a post, at least in Massachusetts, they sent out a postcard and they said, which would you like to be? And then people put certified general or certified residential. This guy's been appraising since I was about three years old. So I'd say grab him up now. A lot of people are leaving the business. I went to law school for a reason in my 40s. It's not because I like doing real estate appraisals. So we really are not in a position to just grab another certified general person who's going to be able to do this in Pahrump. I don't even know if there is a certified general person living in Pahrump. I would guess no. I think maybe there's maybe four certified residential people that I know of. Aside from our government conflicted people myself being one of them in who live in Pahrump So I don't think we're in a position to we have to have this So I just I don't want people to think that this is some kind of thing that people are positioning some underhanded thing to do to people um realtors cannot or real estate agents cannot fulfill this it's a it's a very specific license that you have to have and it's thousands of hours of apprenticeship uh that i went through i went through three years of apprenticeship it's a it's a real hassle to become a real estate appraiser i don't think people understand that so i just want to clear that up just because i know someone mentioned that and i do know this background and I don't know what else we would do if we didn't approve of this person and their duty is to be objective. They really have to be objective. I have always been objective and sometimes being objective is not desirable in this business. I think Commissioner Strickland probably, not saying she's doing it, but just saying Commissioner Strickland would probably agree with me that they have to be objective or they're not going to last very long as appraisers. So I just, I don't think, I don't have any, I don't know this guy, I don't know any appraisers, but we have to have somebody on this list. So that's what this is all about. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir, please. Make a motion. Yes, thank you.
Make a motion to add Kent Vollmer with American Real Estate Appraisals to the list of qualified property appraisers to appraise county property for sale or lease pursuant to NRS 244.2794.
Second.
We have a motion and a second. I'm going to call for the vote. Aye.
Or is aye? Moskovich, aye. That carries 5-0. Thank you. 20, please. Then we're going to lunch.
Item 20 for possible action, discussion and deliberation to A, determine that a 1995 Ford F800 VIN number 1FDX80C9 SVA80051 is no longer required for public use due to being in an accident and being deemed a total loss, and B, dispose of through salvage methods with any resulting proceeds being deposited into the funds used to purchase the vehicle.
CHRIS RODGERS. Thank you for that. Let's open public comment on this truck. Anybody for me? Sam? CHRISTIE WOOD.
No, Chair.
CHRIS RODGERS. Closing public comment. Commissioners? Or Sam? CHRISTIE WOOD.
Yeah, it's my item, but it's pretty self-explanatory if there are any questions. I am available.
CHRISTIE WOOD. No, and I'd like to make a motion to approve the agenda item as written.
CHRIS RODGERS. Four seconds. TODD BANDUCCI. We have a motion and one and a half seconds. I'm going to call for the vote. CHRIS RODGERS.
TODD BANDUCCI. Aye. CHRIS RODGERS. Aye. TODD BANDUCCI. Aye. TODD BANDUCCI. Aye. That carries 5-0. Thank you. All right. Consent, please. But can you read them for me? Just kidding.
Oh, man.
Kidding, kidding. We'll go to Washington.
I will say no. Consent agenda items. These are items that staff recommends for approval. The board reserves the right to move any consent agenda item to the regular segment of the agenda should issues arise that need to be addressed. Discussion of any item from the consent agenda items that needs review before a decision is made. This is item 16.1, 16.2, 16.3, 16.4, 16.5, 16.6, 16.7, and 16.8. TODD BANDUCCI.
Thank you for that. Do we have anybody on the phone for public comment on any of these items, Sam?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello.
Stacy Ann, A-N-N-E. I have a few questions regarding some of these items, and I'm hoping that they can be answered during Commissioners' comments. Can you hear me?
Yes, ma'am. Can you tell us which items you're questioning?
Okay. On item 16.2, are the Commissioners aware that these minutes are late? We're at 89 days for June 18th and 78 days for June 29th, and more importantly, these appear to be recurring backlog going back to 2022. NRS 241.035 requires approval within 45 days or at the next meeting, whichever is later, absent good cause. So I'm curious, is there good cause for these delays and what's being done to correct this going forward? And just to clarify, the audio availability is a separate requirement. It does not replace the statutory requirement for timely approval of the minutes. Regarding item 16.3, without getting into all the details, I found several things in the agenda and supporting documents that may warrant a closer look before approval. So APN 02812804 appears in the dedication documents, but not on the agenda parcel list, creating an inconsistency in the parcels being presented for approval. This also appears to be confusing language regarding responsibility to the roads. um the underlying agreement assigns the county responsibility for certain land improvements grading and signage with while the dedication documents designate these as county roads but reject maintenance responsibility so once accepted uh who actually is responsible for maintaining them and i also couldn't locate in the supporting documents the underlying approval or public hearing records for those for these roads so it's unclear what prior authorization support what's being accepted today. And then item 16.4. Thank you very much, ma'am.
Come on down in front, please.
All right.
Julia Musall, M-U-S-A-L-L. And I agree with her in regards to 16.3. There's a lot of questions. First of all, there are so many parcels here. And, but... It seemed like every time you would go and look into the information, it was unclear. So I hope that you guys take into consideration that this needs to be looked at further before you approve, and especially grid lines. Nasty word around here. Thank you.
Come on down the front, please.
Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. I want to make sure everyone in this room knows that Grid Alliance has been sued in three different states and lost over environmental issues. They also have been sued and lost in, I don't know how, between five and seven countries worldwide.
Doesn't really have anything to do with this particular item.
16.3. Yeah. As far as the easements. As far as the county getting easements. That has something.
Okay. I must not have understood it. I thought that we were granting them easements. No, they're giving us back the land. Okay, great. I apologize. Okay. Thank you.
So we can maintain roads.
Come on down, Tammy. Tammy.
It's good afternoon. Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. So 16.4, 16.5, 16.6, and 16.8. First of all, 16.4 lacks legal review, even though it states at the bottom that it's supposed to have legal review. I am concerned that each of these requests for grants. They don't talk about how many years they've been in the program. They don't tell how many people they've served for the year. How many did rental assistance, mortgage assistance, utility assistance. Moreover, they never talk about success. We can give them money, but if it's not successful, helping people get off of the rolls and become paying people in society, What are we giving them the money for? So the same goes for all four of them. That's the issue. They really should be giving us more bang for our buck, and we don't seem to be getting anything. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Beth.
I don't know why people turn this thing off when they know somebody else is going to speak. Anyway, Beth Borasevich, B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. This is 16.4. For some time, I know that Marianne and I have asked, what is the program doing and what are the successes? I know we got one report today. This was the first report that I think I've heard from Health and Human Services. Do they get filed with you? Are they all, do I have to go to public records request and ask for the last 10 years of statistics on this department and whether they have been successful? They're gonna get $32,052. How many people is that gonna help? I heard today that they give out travel. I don't know if that's airfare, bus, train, or what. That would be nice to know. And how many people actually know that they can go there to get those? There's some homeless people, or almost homeless people I know, that didn't have a clue. And I said, well, you know, if you go over to Health and Human Services, they can probably help you get a bus ticket home. Or if you go over to, I think there's an office over here where the clerk is. So I'm not sure, but I know there's another place that people can go to get a ticket. And then Nye Coalition, they also will provide money for people to go home. One thing I did have a question about is why are we accepting this award in September of 26 when the started grant period was July of 25? What happened? And that's something that I would like to see somebody provide an answer to. It would be great if somebody on your staff could keep these questions that we ask So you can answer.
Thank you, Beth. Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioner. Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Is my volume and tone okay with you?
Go ahead, sir.
Thank you. Thank you. Did you want to tap a little more? Do you want me to move on to the next person? I'm sorry. I'm just trying to figure out when I can speak. Are you done cutting me off, interrupting me?
You're going to get cut off. This is over. Finish it. If you have something to say on one of these items, say it now.
Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm just really concerned about the etiquette when we're addressing the public comment. Cut him off.
Come on down, ma'am.
Angelina Jackson, J-A-C-K-S-O-N. So just to clarify, for the Grid Alliance for the easement, that's them requesting or that's the county requesting easement from them, correct?
After.
After?
We'll answer you after. Okay. Okay.
Next thing is in regards to the safety vest for pedestrians and for cyclists. I think that's a necessity around here, especially lately, as we could see people getting hit left, right, and crossways. Unfortunately, it's not just the person in the vehicle that's responsible for that. It is the pedestrian himself that needs to be aware of it. So other than that, thank you. Thank you. Come on down, Linda. Linda?
Linda Clark, CLARK.
Okay. I guess for years now, since I've been coming here, I have mentioned and complained about HSS. We give an enormous amount of money to this division and on top of the grants. And yet, we don't get a lot of explanation. I've seen some of the reports, and I know they look for the reports. But I don't understand why a town of 55,000 people has so much money going to just one division. And there's other places we know we need it. But it's up to you. You make the laws. TODD BANDUCCI.
Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
TODD BANDUCCI. Come on down, ma'am.
Hello, my name is Ruth Matthew, M-A-T-T-H-E-W. This is in support of accepting the 248,000, this is for 1618, the Safe Street and Roads for All grants of the county. The federal rules allow temporary demonstrated demonstration project, I asked the county and sheriff's office to conduct a 90-day trial of highly visible patrol units using illuminated non-emergency cruise lights. This is not a new idea. Japan, South Korea, and Chile use lights during routine patrol. Canadian agencies, including Waterloo Regional Police, also operate patrol lights to increase visibility and discourage traffic violations. Their safety records deserve attention. In 2023, the United States recorded 12.2 road deaths per 100,000 people. Chile recorded 10, South Korea 4.9, Canada 4.8, and Japan only 2.6. Patrol lights alone did not create those results. These counties have broader safety systems, but visible enforcement is one tool within those systems. It is worth testing here. Visibility may also discourage crime by telling potential offenders that an officer is present and they could be seen immediately. A small trial reported by the National Institute of Justice compared lights on and lights off patrol days at a busy shopping center. Lights on days had half as many vehicle crimes and zero auto thefts compared to four thefts during lights off days. The study was small, so it's not final proof, but supports a local trial. County Council should first approve the light configuration and public must understand these lights are cruise lights, not in order to pull over. Compare similar roads, hours, and patrol shifts with the lights on and off. Measure average and extreme speeds. Crashes, near misses, complaints, officer time, and public responses. Separately track vehicle crime as a possible secondary benefit. There should be no ticket quota. This purpose is prevention, not revenue. Publish the baseline results. If there's no measurable... Measurable benefits stop. If speeds, crashes, or a crime declines, include the practice in a Vision Zero plan. Please accept the grant.
Thank you very much, ma'am. Perfect timing. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
All right. Closing public comment.
Chair, before you go on, I just wanted to comment. There was a comment about legal review. My team legally reviews every agenda item on every agenda, every meeting. So we do a complete legal review of all of these items. So I just want to make sure it's clear.
And it's checked on the agenda front. It's checked.
Thank you for clarifying through the chair real quick on the HHS items. I'm pretty sure in her report that she gave this morning, she mentioned that it is all posted online, the whole entire report. And then the other thing is it's a public office. If you've got questions about the report, I would feel free to contact, Corinne or Jenny, and get your questions answered.
Yes, and in the four years I've been here, I can't even tell you how many presentations on their reports I've listened to and been provided. So you got questions, reach out to the departments.
Whenever they have agenda items on, I usually personally go over there and speak to both of them. figure it out and I've asked them today to come back here with an agenda item in the near future and explain to everybody here what they do and why they do it because they're doing a job they're helping people and that's what we're supposed to do most people know that well some people obviously don't know or don't want to know that okay
The only other thing I had, Chair, is we got a lot of flack for Grid Lions giving us easements for roads, which we don't have easements. The people can't move from one parcel to the next. I think they did a great job. Thank you, Road Department. Thank you, legal, for making sure we got this done right. And we can see that these roads will go through to the next parcel. Thank you, Chair.
Thank you. CHRIS RODGERS. Mr. DeBoer, do you have anything? Anybody want to make a motion? TODD BANDUCCI.
Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve consent to agenda item number 16. CHRISTIE WOOD. Second. TODD BANDUCCI.
We have a motion and a second. All those in favor? CHRISTIE WOOD. Aye. CHRIS RODGERS. Aye. TODD BANDUCCI. Oscovich, aye. That carries 5-0. Thank you. We're going to break. It's going to be 3. CHRISTIE WOOD. It's going to be 3. TODD BANDUCCI. I got to be. 3 o'clock, please. Hell no, I've got to be in Vegas. Okay, welcome back. Let's hammer out 21. That'll give me time to sign these forms.
Item 21 for possible action. Review, discuss, deliberate, and or direct staff on the fiscal year 2027 budget. Review, deliberate, and vote on changes to the fiscal year 2027 budget.
Okay, thank you.
Good afternoon, Commissioners. Okay, so when we went through the budget process for fiscal 27, we had to reduce service and supplies dramatically. Some of the departments came back and said that they would not be able to operate based on that budget. So we agreed to set up meetings and hear what the departments have to say. So this is actually a summary of most of the departments, excluding two, which I will talk about in a minute, on their request and giving support, for example, It would be contracts, something of substance to give an explanation about why they need additional funding. So before we go through them, I also want to say that right now, in order for us... Right now, we have a balanced budget. In order for us to... increase the budget. We would have to have some type of savings, additional savings from the cost reduction program that we have recognized. If we have our audit completed and there's an unexpected increase in fund balance, we can use that money. Or at the end of the fiscal year, we can utilize the contingency that we budgeted for at the beginning of fiscal 27. So I am going to caution you to be very careful about what you approve today. Or if you would direct me to put it on a list so that at the time when We have the ability to increase the budgets. You can have a list ready of things that you would want to approve. So the two departments which are not included on this list right now would be Animal services, because they're requesting money, and they actually get funded through the town of as well as the county. So we are going to bring back an item to break out. Animal services, and you will have that in a future agenda item. We are working right now to put that information together for you. The other item would be the sheriff's office because we have issues with having to move the jail fund and. I would like to get a better understanding on the PSST charges that were processed in fiscal 26. I want to make sure that when their budget is brought back to you, you have a full picture of all of this sheriff's area of responsibility so that you can make a good decision.
Chair. So are you then telling us that we are premature looking at these? Because you've just named two significant departments that you don't have.
So you can look at them and you can decide on which ones can be put on a short list. I'll call it a short list so that when we have.
I'm not understanding what we're trying to accomplish here. We've made our budget. We're balanced. And the departments are saying that they can't operate anymore service and supplies.
Correct.
So I'm sorry, what are we supposed to do with that?
So my direction was to meet with the departments, come up with a list and an explanation about some of the items that are contractual that they need to have additional funding on.
This sounds like an awfully big ask for us to work on this during a regular scheduled. This sounds like we need a budgetary agenda, a budgetary meeting. I'm sorry, Chair, but it just seems like this is a lot to absorb. Is the camera out right now? Yeah.
I would be more than happy, but I'm sure there are some departments that are at the point of their budget where they may not have sufficient funding for their service and supplies.
Excuse me, Chair. Can we hear from the department heads? Let's see where they're at.
Can you imagine sitting here and going over all of these department heads? I'm sorry, Commissioner, but that seems...
What would your option be?
I think we need to take this and analyze it.
Budget meeting.
A budget meeting that says, here's where we're at. This is broke down to an extent. But for someone to come up and say, hey, we need more money for service and supplies, and you've already balanced your budget, where are we going to get the money? And so there's a lot. I'm sorry, but finance is one of the things I love, and I can't get what I've got in front of me.
So the path forward would be open public comment and motion to continue. Move to a separate meeting.
Right. Sole and separate meeting if the commissioners would support that.
I don't see what the problem is. We're here now. This is on the agenda. Agreed. Some of the department heads are here. Agreed. OK. And to help us with, and I have no problem with a budgetary meeting. but this will give us a heads up of where they're at and where they're unable to operate because of the restrictions that we've placed on them with supplies and services.
Okay, can we have a, can they be on a limited time then, Chair, for each one of their, within reason?
Just a summary, we don't need a whole dissertation on.
There's a lot here.
Yep, okay, I agree with that.
Thank you, Chair. Let's do that. Let's start with the department heads. Whoever wants to come up first, feel free. Actually, I already see Corey. And then if you can limit this to a couple minutes, two or three, that would be fine. Please.
Hello, Commissioners. I'm pretty sure I'm asking right about 15,000. These are all non-negotiable things that we have for the election. I do want to put out there that last year between March and July 1st, we received $99,000 back from the state. So even though our budget may look inflated, we do retain a lot of that back. We get a lot of that back. And then when they pulled, when the budget was shortened, these are non-negotiable. We are already in contracts. The checks have to be cut. So that's where I'm at in the clerk's office. Thanks. Now, that one I can understand.
Thank you, Chair.
Go ahead, Brad. Good morning, Commissioners. Good afternoon, Commissioners. Brad Adams, ADAMS, IT Director for the record. Of the cuts on the IT side, I've gone through these items with Elizabeth Even and I've identified all of the contractual obligations that were requested at 1.058 million. The difficulty is the reduction of almost $400,000 in the IT budget has left me no choice because of the IT budget being encumbered over 70% in the first quarter, which means those costs are fixed obligations. They are global. They operate in CSO system, court systems, justice systems. If I'm forced not to be able to pay the invoices, the services that are reflected will stop. There is no choice. I cannot legally overrun my budget. If you put me in a position to where I cannot pay those, what I have to do is I'll have to put the sheriff's office on notice for all the radio ID fees. I'll have to make sure that all of the other departments, like BOCC, the Granicus feed, the Granicus recording, I can't afford those. Those are coming out of IT as a centralized fund. All the Xeroxes for every department would have to be split out to their own departmental budget. The problem with that is they're not funded either. Sheriff's Department, MBTs would go dark. because all of their funding was put in IT in order for me to properly account and manage those services. Now the reduction is hitting IT. So if it comes down to what is required and what is optional, it will shut down public safety and some other services. Office 365 is paid for by IT. All of the backup is paid for IT. IT does not benefit from it whatsoever. These services are required to be for continuity of operations. I don't have a choice legally, if you put me in that position, to tell me that you'll make it whole later in the year. I understand the budget. I understand the difficulties on the budget. I know that there are some discrepancies and or some concerns on whether the revenue was going to come in as anticipated or is going to come in as typically projected and in line with previous revenue projections. These are variables, the budget, and making sure that I can pay these bills and these contracts is not a variable. It's operational or non-operational.
Chair, we understand that from Brad. Mr. Adams, you're saying that you need another $346,000, $347,000. That is correct. Thank you. What about the following page where it's a million dollars?
The following page was a million?
1,054. It's public safety communications, third party mainframe support, GIS server, prepaid support, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I was speaking to. Within that, if you go down through those line items, because this is a contractual listing, if you go down through those line items, Those line items reflect what the obligations and obligations are. So of those, I have to make a decision on what is imperative for security and operations and what can I not pay. Some of these invoices I have sitting on my desk. Right now I have a quarter million dollars sitting on my desk that I cannot pay.
You're missing my question. This page here says information technology, additional needs requested, $346,859. The next page... is where all your stuff is that you're talking about. And I know what you're talking about. Bottom line on that one is $1,054,027. So what is the real number? CHRIS RODGERS.
So what was appropriated in the budget for fiscal 27 was $707,168. What was anticipated within the budget was a conservative 1.054 million, 027. So the differential, the disparity, is 346,859. Okay, I got it.
Mr. Chairman, may I address very briefly? Madam, may I ask you a question? I'm sorry, I'm just trying to get a handle on the totality of the circumstances here. It appears as if we have $726,000 in additional needs and then this animal service request that pushes us into 860. Is that about right? It isn't in here. I had to do some math.
Which item are you talking about?
I'm just looking at the whole thing. What is the ask here? Pretending like I don't understand any of this stuff. So if everybody says we need this, we need this, we need this, the total of all of the we needs is $726,000, and then the animal service request is $135,000, I think. I just want to make sure that's a correct number.
One minute, I'm checking.
And then I have a potential solution that some people are going to be upset about, but I... You know, it's a solution. We can talk about it. I'm not afraid of people getting upset with me, clearly.
One other item I do want to point out. IT is one of two major departments that support the community as a whole. IT, very little of the infrastructure or the costs go into IT themselves. These are global companies. You're looking at a single department, and I hate to say it this way, and this appears to be self-justifying. It is not in that our services provide the services for every department. So if the department does not have email, the department cannot function. Those are really where it comes down to. So if it's triage, I have to appeal the triage.
Is that correct? So it's a million? What's a million? $1,050,000, and this does not include sheriff's office.
So what's the $861,000 I'm getting? Do you know? If you don't know, it's okay. I'm just trying to figure out where my math is wrong.
I came up with $913,780.
This is like a high school math class. They're saying, I got $861,000, I got $913,000.
913 is without animal services.
Okay. All right. So 913 is without animal services. Do we have a plan for animal services separate or no?
It's going to be a separate item.
You've got a separate item. So 913 is what we're looking for? I have a potential solution that's not going to be a fan of mine over in the court, but I don't know what else to do. We paid for this Odyssey stuff for $800,000. It's been sitting there for two and a half years ever since I got sworn in and everyone's trying to figure out who owns it and what's going on. But it's $800,000. It's been rotting. Is there maybe a way we can take that and then give them their Odyssey when we have money? Is that some kind of solution? There's $800,000 we bought about two weeks after I got sworn in. We issued, it hasn't been encumbered to my knowledge, he would know. Has it been encumbered?
This contract was executed. So too late. It was executed by Judge Walker. Okay. And because it has been executed, whether the authority of the execution and the binding of the money is... Whether or not, we don't know. So two years, the execution of that contract was not two years ago.
Or whatever, I don't know.
The beginning of the discussion on the contract was probably a year.
So what has been done to execute that? So we paid, did we get anything in return for that contract or no? We just signed it?
The contract has been executed. It has been executed. I haven't had any meetings on the contract. Okay.
Okay.
It's not being utilized.
Yeah, actually sitting there. I mean, can we pay? Is there some kind of liquidated damages we can pay? Can we pay him $25,000 and go away? Do you think? Because there's $800,000 just sitting there.
Can we kick that back over to the legal expert?
I know he's going to hate this question.
I'm so sorry. Actually, I appreciate this question. It's my great frustration. This money was grant money that was given to this project. It has been a nightmare because we have not been involved in it. The courts are taking complete control over this and not letting any of us have anything to say about it. In fact, what really bothers me is just a few weeks ago, I heard the judge giving a presentation who basically said that it was her desire that we should have this system up and running in a year to a year and a half. That is completely unacceptable for as long as this has gone on. And we have bowed out of it because the court's basically saying we're the courts and we can do what we want to do. But this is absolutely absurd. that we are still fighting this battle where we can't get this system in place. Because this system would be so, the efficiencies we would get off of this system is hard even to describe. And so I don't know how to break through this iceberg that we have is really this ice dam basically. But to sit there and say that we have to wait another year, year and a half to maybe put this system in place is completely inexcusable. And I think we need to bring the courts up and have them come in and explain why the heck this hasn't been been pushed forward.
So I don't know if this is possible. I would vote to even look into it. We have a pre-existing relationship with this company. Is that correct? We already pay them. We have a pre-existing relationship.
We do on the other side of the house.
Can we ask their sales rep if there's any way, hey, we're going to buy this. Can we just get us out of this contract and do it? Is that something you're comfortable with? I know it sounds crazy, but it's $800,000 you can use. If anybody else is interested up here.
You can absolutely engage.
Is anyone interested in this? I don't want to do this if you guys aren't interested, but it's just sitting there, and we're not going to get the benefit of it. We might have the money next year.
You're onto something, Commissioner, but it's not up to us right now, and so you have to look into this because there's a legal contract that's been executed. Executed. And also there's a sunset.
Now, there was a legal contract that was negotiated by the internal team and myself, the actual executed legal contract, was not the same contract. It was the original that was proposed. So I do not believe it actually had DA.
They don't want to piss us off. Trust me. Just talk to them and see if they'll let us out.
Do you know what the sunset is on the grant manager?
It's the grant?
On the grant. You said it was grant. I believe it was. No, it's LATCF. Oh, it is LATCF. It's $600,000 that is assigned through LATCF.
Commissioner, you're on the right track that we do have a balance in our LATCAF. We do. You're on the right track.
In the LATCAF, do we have any more of that? I mean, I take the road money away. Is there $100,000 left in that? I thought it was $800,000 on the Odyssey. It's $600,000?
It's $600,000. Okay.
And then what else is there not used in there? Do you have a quick summary?
Other than the $1 million.
Take the $1 million out. Thank you. Take the $1 million out and just look at that because we have to pay for things for these guys. There's other stuff. Can you just tell me, other than the $1 million, can you just say what's been unencumbered? I think we can get out of this thing. I know we have a contract. They're not going to want us to, trust me, they're not going to want to make us upset, I don't think. I'll call them if you want me to.
I have no difficulty calling them. I'm sure you can do that. One of the concerns, no, in fact, I've worked with them closely at the beginning and then was asked to bow out.
Well, let's ask you to bow back in.
Not an issue. We'll say that council will need to be involved in this because two things apply. One is the length of time to implement. Well, three things. The cost, whether or not the cost is... Yeah, it's currently available. And the last piece is whether or not the contract itself, the details, e-filing has been a big concern and a big issue. Okay.
Well, we're going to argue about that in the next year and figure it out. Madam, go ahead. I'm sorry.
So we have $1 million that is unencumbered for any project right now.
But has been allocated otherwise? No. Oh, okay. So what has been actually voted on that's just sitting other than that $600,000 that's rotting there? Do you know? You might not know. That might be too much to ask. And maybe this is just something we can come back and look, or I can talk to you about it later or something.
I would say we should come back and give you a list. I can do an agenda. There's probably 80,000.
What's the list that's being requested?
Excuse me, Commissioner. What's the list that's being requested?
I was asking if we could get a list of the LATCF funds that were appropriated by this board, but yet were not spent. So if there's $80,000 in road repair money, we could possibly look at that. We would have to vote on it.
I can support using money that's not been encumbered, if you will, Commissioner, if that's up for consideration as far as I'm concerned. But if we've already...
obligated and we just haven't been able to complete contracts that's something well we can't do that if it's been actually I mean no again I'm fine I'm just I'm just throwing something out there as a potential solution I'm not trying to strong-arm it I'm not trying to get
Absolutely.
But if we have 600,000, I'm sure they'll let us out because they're ongoing clients. They're going to let us out, I guarantee it.
A million bucks you can take with them. And there's a million.
But we also have money we have to pay. We have something coming up for these guys. We have to take it. It's like $100,000, so there's other money there. But I think could we have an LATCF discussion on this, whatever this is, or add this into whatever else you were going to talk about? That's what I would ask.
And thank you very much. I can create an agenda for us to talk about LATCF, what has been allocated and unused, and then what has been unallocated, meaning available for use. And it could be the board's decision whether if there's no contractual obligation to take that money back and use it elsewhere.
And just a please quick thing on that. Please factor in those bulletproof vests for next meeting. I know it's not public right now, but the bulletproof vest and the helmet, so it's $84,000 for the sheriff.
We can add that to the list so that it's discussed on the LITCF.
Well, we haven't discussed it at all yet.
I thought that was already approved.
No, this is a really long conversation that we probably don't have.
I thought it was already approved.
No, it was not. We have to vote on it next time.
It is a different conversation, Commissioner. It is. It was approved.
Very simply, I thought it was already approved, and thank you very much, Manager, for confirming that. Thank you.
I'm not trying to assert anything. Just put it in there, just so we can see. I'm just saying don't not put it in there so we don't have that in there. Oh, what's this? That's a whole other thing, and we just have to be aware of all the money that's being kind of just dangled in that fund. Thank you.
So going back to the last response, we do have LATCF money available of $1,039,000. But that will be it on your, not your, but that will be it on that cushion that was set aside for emergencies.
The only thing I would say is you've got to remember that these are contracts this year, which will be contracts next year. And although it may help this year, we still would have to figure out next year.
You mean we need to find more sources of income? Oh.
Thank you, Mr. Adams.
Thank you.
Okay, next director.
Good afternoon, commissioners. Elizabeth Jordan for the record, J-O-R-D-A-M. And I'm here on behalf of Public Works, but please keep in mind this is the utility side. that sits in the books under Fund 10101. Our public works utility side is in charge of all the water, the water utility systems throughout my county. That includes 25 water systems, nine of them that are public water systems. All these systems have regulatory requirements that we have to follow. This year, our budget, we are requesting an additional 30,000. That is, of course, the cut that was made to the budget. Last year, we requested an augment because the budget that was provided was short. So this year, not only was the budget cut, but of course we have this regulatory items that we have to, that we're mandated by. These include water testings, reporting that we do to NW, I'm sorry, NW, in DWR. We also have a lot of licensing that we have to keep on these water systems and of course there's a lot of backup in there as well for this item but I'm just hitting the bullet points. There is travel. We have two county employees at the moment that travel throughout Knight County. As you know, some of these systems are in Duckwater, Gabs, Manhattan, all throughout the county. And unfortunately, yes, travel is a necessity. That includes per diem for the employees, but most importantly, fuel. We know where fuel prices are at the moment, so we have to make sure to account for that. Repair and maintenance on these water systems. I went through this budget line by line. Every expense that has hit this budget for the last several years and I definitely try to see what we can do without. For 25 water systems, we spend about $9,000 only on repairs. So for 25 water systems, $9,000 is a drop in the bucket. We do have one contractual obligation that handles all the water rights throughout the county, and that's only the only contract obligation that we have. However, that is also the only contract that is responsible for all the water rights for the county. It does handle some of the towns as well, but we do charge the town separately. So a lot of the grants we have obtained for some of the water systems and sewer system as well, because this department does handle some of the sorts for GABs in Manhattan. Let me see, what else can I speak on? And training, that's another really important one. The employees that are under this fund do have to maintain certain classes to maintain their licenses because without it, of course, any continuing education they cannot renew their license. So that is also part of this request. So we're requesting $29,882, and that's just to maintain the current operations. Without it, we will have to either take a look at the contract that we currently have. Last year, we spent about $16,000 on that contract. We would have to either cut completely that contract, and it would fall under... Nye County really to figure out how we're going to manage those water rights. And then the other thing that's really important to point out is the testing that is done on these water systems. They let us know around May, April of this past year that the chain of custodies to submit for water sampling went from $40 per chain of custody almost doubled to $75. So we're accounting for that as well. Any questions?
When would you need that money by? Can you wait until third quarter?
Well, that is the problem. We would need it now because either we have to cancel a contract and start seeing what other things we have to cut back, whether it's how often... we take a look at these water systems, which is really non-negotiable because we are, some water systems are required to be tested monthly, some of them quarterly. So it's, unfortunately, I don't have Travis here yet, an emergency to attend to, and so unfortunately he couldn't be here to speak to that part of it. But we would have to look at what items we can cut on.
Thank you, Chair.
Thank You Liz Liz I just want to get clarification from from the comptroller and you're welcome to stay at the lectern so So under under the last line item of reading that reads additional budget needs She's asking for 29 82 IT is asking for 346 859 the clerk is asking for 15 945 I don't think that this is accurate to have additional budget needs in there when this was already accounted for in their respective budgets. And we took it away because of cuts. So they're not asking for additional budget needs, they're asking for for the monies to be given back for their already accounted for budgets. The reinstated for something that we took back that they already submitted and we approved during the budget process. We took it away and now they're asking for some of it, not all of it back. I'm not sure why it reads additional budget needs.
Because the budget was finalized so It's in addition after the budget was approved. According to DTACS, our budget has been submitted and approved, so this would be in addition to.
With the cuts we made to get where we needed.
Yeah, I understand that. It's not fair to the respective departments where, for example, IT is saying, look, it's under his purview, his jurisdiction and authority to cut these checks, but you're not going to release the checks because... but he's under contract with these different departments, sheriff's office, et cetera. And so we have to take this into account and figure it out and pretty quickly because we cannot afford for them to cease the services, for example, communications with the sheriff's office through the IT department, and we're handcuffed. No pun intended, under sheriff. We're handcuffing these different departments. It's not fair to them, and we have to figure it out. Thank you, chair. Thank you, comptroller. Thank you, Liz.
Thank you, commissioners.
Well, let's open public comment.
So I would like to speak on one item that's on the list. It's for Tonopah Justice Court. This was a mistake by my department, by me. We had pulled out a salary and expense expecting that it was a retirement and it was incorrect. So that is on me.
Mr. Chairman, before we do the public comment, because she may have to research, could I ask one more question of her? Would that be okay? Thank you. On the LATCF, I found it, by the way. Is there still $2.43 million sitting there for fairgrounds activities? There was in July. And the reason I'm asking, I kind of feel like we're doing a little political theater here. And I was a theater major in college. I was also a college dropout, so I didn't do too well But I do feel a little political theater, like we're doing a little bit of a sort of getting the audience to see every movie you get to that 60-minute mark. It's called the point of no return. That means the lead character can't go back, so they have to go forward. I think we're around that. And so I just want to sort of feed the fire a little bit with one of those twists that usually come around the 75-minute mark. So my twist is this. We have $2.43 million for fairground activities. It's not been spent. Is that correct?
Correct.
Okay, well, I would like to consider using some of that, not all of that, and not doing whatever it is that we're considering doing that. But if it comes down to paying for paper and emails and emergency services, or having 2.43 million in unencumbered, unspent, undedicated money that's sitting in a bank account somewhere from free grants, maybe we ought to pay what we need instead of having fairgrounds money. It's just a thought, and maybe we could discuss that, and I'll stand down. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The last thing we should probably bring up is that, but I will point out to you that you're moving forward with bids for soccer fields. And so once again, I would be glad to support through a motion using latch funds that are already not encumbered to fund these today after you hear from the public if you would care to entertain that. Thank you, Chair.
Thank you. We have to actually hear from the other department heads that wish to speak.
That's true.
Come on up.
Or they could oversell the sale.
Or oversell the sale.
Elisa Goodman, G-O-D-M-A-N, Justice Court Administrator of Pahrump Justice Court. We are requesting $108,500 to our budget for statutorily required items. Our budget that was approved was for $144,000. Our contracts alone for items that we have for the court, our case management system, case law system for the judge to do research, our court recording system in the courtroom, and our program for our court services in order to do verification for their pretrial people that they see, our contracts come up to 82,900. And that alone, that doesn't even cover the estimate of 113,000 that cost us for interpreters. We have an average of two interpreters minimum a month And just this past fiscal year, we had to bring in like seven to eight different types of interpreters, typically Spanish, but we do have others that we have to bring in. And then we are still paying for pro tem through the end of the year. If you have any questions.
You're doing a great job, and thank you.
Yes. And yes. All right, any other department heads, or directors, or anybody that needs money? Besides, well, me too, but. CHRIS JERRAMSEN. Anybody on the phone? CHRIS JERRAMSEN. All right, anybody on the phone, Sam, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Good afternoon. Commissioner, this is Sheriff Joe McGill. Oh, hello, Sheriff. I don't want to oversell the sell, so I'll just be here to answer any question if you have anything.
Thank you, and I apologize. I couldn't get to your items earlier.
No problem.
Thank you, Sheriff, for being there.
Okay. Well, you're still on public. Managers, did you go to public? Managers, we're still on, but I don't think there are any.
We might have some. We might have some. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Deborah Beatty, B-E-A-T-T-Y, Knight County Recorder. Mine's pretty short and sweet, too. My budget's normally around $150, and $1,000 every year. It has been for 15 years. And this year I was cut back to $68,000, all while I have a contractual obligation for Tyler Eagle at $91,000, which I've already paid because it was due in July. So that means I'm in the red, like $30,000. So I need...
more money please all right well it's nice deborah you're so cute thank you okay anybody else uh we might have one more if the caller is unmuted please we can spell your name for the record
No, I'm not staff.
I'm not department head.
Oh, okay. Thanks, Tim.
Okay.
Okay.
Go ahead, sir. Thank you. I would like to get clarification on something or give clarification, something that between Commissioner Bain and Commissioner Strickland brought up, In regards to the fairgrounds, fairgrounds, if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong, the 2.5 that's sitting there.
Pardon me, Commissioner.
Yes, hold on.
They just couldn't see us. They just needed us to speak real fast so we could get back on screen.
Oh, you're on screen now. They had faded.
Thank you, Madam Clerk. Okay, that's okay. The rooms tax monies. has been separate, absolutely separate from fairgrounds, and we need to clarify the monies that would be taken into consideration to pay for some of these services so there's no commingling between Pahrump and county.
You're not wrong.
Well, I may be wrong. You're not wrong. I just wanted to give that clarification to make sure that we're not wrong in doing that.
Can I answer real quick? And I don't think you're going to hate what I'm saying. I'm trying to yank this. That's actually all LATCF. So we could take that, all of that. The room tax is separate. That's a separate fund. We have a capital improvement fund that is fed through room tax. And we have an LATCF fund on restricted grants. I'm not trying to take that. I'm really not trying to take that money. I'm just throwing everything on the table. Part of it is the way I look at business. I look at everything and I just look at it. We just have to talk about it. I don't want to do that. I do want soccer fields there. I don't want to go back on what I had said. I'm not trying to do that. I would much prefer, and as the county manager said, maybe that's not a good idea. We keep going into this bucket of money that's intended for like one-time things and we try to like... That's why we're in this position. So I just think maybe we do need to find a more sustainable approach. So maybe that isn't the wisest thing to do. I have no problems. I'm sorry I said it. I'm not trying to start a fight with everybody. You get everybody mad. But we're foolish for not looking at these things in the event that there is an emergency. And that's all I'm saying.
I'm not mad. No, not you.
She's always mad at me. I'm not.
But I'm fine with doing that. I want to see soccer fields. I want to see walking. I want to see things down there. So I'm not saying against that. But let's just see if there's a, hopefully there is a solution, some kind of thing we can do.
If I may, Commissioner, by reimagining the money that we have not allocated in any way, it's not been earmarked. They hate that word in Congress. But you have over a million dollars sitting in that, and I would make a motion, if you get done with public, to spend that money.
That's really clever of you, because I know you know I'm trying to take money for police out of that, so that's good. Good move on that one. Oh, is there something that I don't know? Yeah, it's like a...
Is it something that's on the agenda?
Yeah, you didn't read the agenda. I know you had the union contract put in there because your name was on it. You forgot to block your name out. So I know the union contract go to you and you had it calendared. So I know what you're doing. And that's fine. But I would like to find a sustainable, yeah. I'd like to find a sustainable way to address these things.
You blushed.
I'm not blushing. I caught you and I was just excited there for a second. Thank you. So I would like to see a sustainable. I don't think we should be putting our hands in that pot. I honestly don't. I do think it'd be nice to have a sustainable solution. I don't know if the controller is offering that. Is there something that we're not just, I do believe that we're sitting here today because for the last decade, I think that there have been one fund, another fund, and we're just grabbing these funds and just like feeding this. We're living beyond our means and we're feeding with all these funds. When you look back, 12 million ARPA, 12 million in this. I mean, it's just, it's got to stop. So are you going to a solution that is not involved, just a quick fix Band-Aid thing?
Before you answer him, sorry, Commissioner, the revenue streams are anticipated to pick up. Correct. Substantially. Potentially. Yes.
So just so that everybody understands, our revenues at the beginning of the year start off a little bit on the slow because we have to catch up for fiscal 26. And then we start, we're always like two months behind. But on top of that, we just received our first payment for real property tax. So that just happened this week. Actually, yesterday it was recorded. We also have a lot of contracts that are due at the beginning of our fiscal year, which takes on a huge burden of our budget. And that's why you're seeing these budget items here now as opposed to at the end of the fiscal year.
So what she's trying to say is we're fat cats at the end of the year and the beginning of the year, we really don't have any money.
But our revenue in general should be increasing from these other projects that are in the works.
I have not seen any revenue from the other projects. I've only seen the real property tax come in so far.
I understand.
There is a belief that... that yes, revenues will come in higher, but obviously we can't spend money we can't see in the bank yet. But one of the solutions she did offer, at least to cover a portion of it, would be the contingency fund that was budgeted. That is budgeted. What was it, how much was it?
I believe it's almost a million dollars.
So it's that or latch for the moment.
Is that inadvisable? I'm really trying to let you do your thing. Would you advise against that in your professional opinion?
You're asking a conservative person. I do not have my own personal bank account go below a certain dollar amount, so...
No, I understand.
And I get that. I would not recommend it, but it is an option. It is not my decision. It is the Board of Commissioners' decision. I'm telling you that you have that available to you.
When do we need to make a decision on this stuff you're bringing up?
So I would say you would need to make a decision on the items that we have contractual obligations that we have invoices right now. How much is that? I believe it was IT. Okay. Give me a minute.
And is the contingency, if anybody knows, is the contingency constantly being fed with tax revenue or something?
It's just a drop.
So when we do the budget, we are allowed to set aside up to 3%.
Oh, it's a rainy day fund. They used to call it a rainy day fund. Okay. They keep changing the name of it. And so is it a rainy day, Commissioner? Yeah, I think it is. I hated it in 2000 and I hate it today. Okay, yeah. It's called overtaxation for all of you watching. They renamed that to rainy day fund and now it's a contingency fund, so you don't know what it is. So that overtaxation fund, got it. Yes, I would like to use the overtaxation fund.
All right. Let's do public.
Come on up. The exact amount of the contingency is $988,000. What about contracts?
Do you know? All right. No, I think Commissioner Jabbour is right. No, I'm, Commissioner Bain's got a question. Go ahead, Beth.
Beth Borasevich, B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. First thing I'd like to know is why is the IT department paying for electronic contracts that are not used by him? Why isn't each department that gets these different software or whatever it is, why the heck aren't they paying for it out of their department fund? I mean, number one, that would fix that whole thing with IT if you guys actually put it where it's supposed to be with the departments that incurred it. Then I'm gonna say something very unpopular Any department with more than 10 employees must look at their employees and select two employees to lay off. That would give us a whole lot of money in the bank. It would not make the departments happy. However, it would give us a whole lot of money to pay our bills. We need to get We need to be able to operate, and you can't operate with all these employees. I know that the labor guys are going to have a fit. Don't care. If we don't have enough money to even run the government, then we're not going to have a labor agreement because we're not going to have any employees anyway. So you guys got to think the hard, hard, hard questions and answer them with, yeah, we need to cut the people. There's too many damn people. with the sheriff I thought that he was all taken care of with LATCF or I mean PSST I don't know why that's an issue the fairgrounds I'd like to know how much money we have great summer Anyway, the fairgrounds, the room tax should be able to take care of the soccer fields. And if there is a bid out, I'd like to see it because I have no, absolutely no confidence in the request for bids from the buildings and grounds department. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
yes amy nelson any lsom um there's so many issues but to put it sweet and short you know if it comes to safety i would sacrifice the soccer field in a minute uh so if you have to use part of that two million to keep the county going to keep the sheriff's department going to keep the recorder's office going then use it and if you have a contingency fund that's overflowing in a few months, pay it back. But you have money available. If you want to reduce government, that's another issue. I mean, we definitely have too many administrators in the Sheriff's Department, if you look at it. So it wouldn't be too hard to cut back at least one, possibly two people. But money's available. You just have to be willing to make a decision on where to put it. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Stephen.
Stephen Pittman, PITMAN. This is a housekeeping comment. Commissioner Bain, could you not yell so much? I have my hearing aids turned down as far as I can put them, and it's still very, very loud.
Thank you. Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. Several things here. One, I haven't heard any discussion about timing of cash with cash management. It sounds like there's payments going to be needing to be made, the timing of the cash. We know that bills just went out in August and the collections is a progressive receipt on that. So there needs to be a regression analysis on that. And timing of the cash needs to be looked at as well. Number two, from a budget standpoint, being underwater is one thing, but also setting aside for rainy day fund for inflation and other things still needs to be considered. And no, we're not close to that yet, but that still needs to be in the works. The other thing is I'm still not hearing sound discipline on spending. I'm not hearing department heads come up and say, you know, I don't need $2 million additional spend. I can cut that down. I'm not hearing those comments, and I would expect that, especially in this kind of situation. When we're flushed, that's a different ballgame. If we're flushed, then let's do what we need to do from that standpoint. But right now, we're bare bones, and I'm not hearing behavior that way. to a point that makes me wonder if we shouldn't be cutting 5% across the board. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on up and prompt.
Hi, your name is Ruth Matthew, M-A-T-T-H-E-W. I just wanted to make sure if I heard that right, that IT was negotiating and signed contract before they had a full budget. I don't know. And have they looked at other technologies? Because I'm in tech, and there's been times we've saved companies hundreds of thousands of dollars by auditing their technology, and I think the IT might have to do that across the board here. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down. Angelina.
angelina jackson jac kson well i want to know where this other uh money is that you guys are talking about like a secret stash that we have or that's not coming yet where are we getting that from what is this where is that coming from that you guys are talking amongst each other about that that money hasn't come in yet we'd like to know Where that money is coming from? What fund is that coming from? And how much? And again, as I've mentioned before, there are several positions that I believe could be cut back. It's obvious when you have so many building and grounds people or so many administrators or assistant administrators that are making over $100,000 that in order to save the rest of the family, got to pull back on some things. So thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
MICHAEL DAVIS- Hello, Commissioner. Michael David Garcia, D-A-R-C-I-A. How's my tone with you this time? Can you hear me? What was that? I'm clear to speak.
CHRISTIE WOODARD- Go ahead, Mr. Garcia. Your time is running.
MICHAEL DAVIS- Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I very much appreciate the courtesy and respect for the clock. But anyhow, I just want to see which one of y'all are going to take the DA's invitation on standing up against these judges. Let's see your A game when it comes to the Constitution. Let's see who's grounded. Let's see when the accounts are underwater when it comes to the Constitution. Let's see how y'all really do, especially when it comes to fraud, extortion, and official oppression. I don't know how many times you can reclassify a latch for it. And for all of our money to be paying for Nye County Animal Shelter, you know, there's NRSs that specifically go against that. So y'all are just a mess all the way around. You know, I say we work on our alignment with the Constitution, and let's start with these judges. Bring them in. Let's see what you got. Don't be scared. It's a right to practice. You got a quick draw there, but that's not defense. Let's work on our alignment. Let's go. Let's nullify what needs to be nullified. Do I have more time? Am I free to express it? Do y'all want to go over the First Amendment? What rule supersedes the First Amendment? No? We can't talk about POCC 7.52?
This is not about the item.
Is it OK? Go ahead, Susie. Is that interference?
Susie Hertz, HERTZ. So second call for the question. which is we'd really like to know what you are hiding underneath. I mean, I know you're not hiding anything. It's perspective stuff. But it would be really nice for us to be able to be in on that information. We're not here to fight with you. We're here to work together with you. So if we could see the bigger picture, it would be really helpful to those of us who are here trying to participate in this decision making with you. So if there are businesses that are coming to town and you have a prospective place for them to be, it would be nice to know of that. Deals that are coming down the pike, contracts that are coming, are you counting on the other things on the agenda, changes to the ordinances that are gonna generate money for us. If you would help share that information with us, we would so appreciate it. And we so would be able to be in a better position to be helpful and supportive. So I really would appreciate that. Same goes for the question that Ian asked of Zena in terms of what the appropriated dollars are and what's available and what's been already allocated or promised, that conversation needs to be out loud also. I don't know how you can make a decision on that today without putting that out here so everybody can hear it. So that's my ask. Thank you.
Thank you.
Hey, Clark, say something.
Why does she keep going dark?
Testing one, two. There you go.
There you go.
When Beatty participates, it switches the camera to their meeting room. So that's what.
Go ahead, Linda.
Linda Clark, CLA Arcade. I still don't know who's on first here. We're so confused. I don't like the way you guys play ball games. We don't have a balanced budget. We thought we did. Now we don't. There needs to be more discipline in the spending in this community. You know that, but you don't do it. And if we've got money pocketed away somewhere that she told us about, why aren't we spending that on these things that you think are so important? Why? I don't understand. I understand a safety net. We all know that. But you know what? Most of us don't have that, and we wish we did. So I'm confused. Are you confused?
You all confused? Here we are.
Because you guys don't have any clue on how to balance a budget. All you know how to do, yes, Deborah, hide your face. All you know how to do is spend. And it's done. We can't keep doing this. I'm ready for a state audit on this town. We need something because you guys aren't doing it. A few of you have ideas, but the rest of you just say, well, let's do this. Maybe we should try this. And then the ones that seem like they have good ideas get shut down. So Zena is working very hard and we're very happy with what she's doing, but I don't think she's getting the support that she needs from this board. and we've got to do some changes here. I know you don't want to. If you have to fire people, lay them off, do it. We need to get a balanced budget here so it's fair for this whole community, and there are things here that you want to do we don't need. The fairgrounds is one of them. You want to put ball fields in, put them at one of the other parks. We don't need to build the fairgrounds right now. We don't need it, and most people don't want it. Thank you.
Thanks, Linda. Zena, is our budget balanced right now?
Yes, sir. Our budget is balanced. Say it really loud. We have a balanced budget, and the balanced budget includes a contingency of $988,000. Thank you for that.
Thank you for asking.
Go ahead, Mr. Greco.
Anthony Greco, GRECO, what you need is a negotiator. If you're 10% in the hole, you go to all your contracts and say, we gotta cut our contract by 15 to 20% or we're gonna get somebody else new to have that contract. Stop being nice guys and work this out. If you're 10% short, cut all your contracts by 20%, and now we might have some money left over. So when the bill comes in, you can pay it instead of waiting for money to come in. Thank you, sir.
I don't actually disagree with that either. Sam, we got anybody on the phone, please?
No, chair.
Come on up. Julia. Yeah.
You have gold coin in the purse?
I know, it's getting heavy. Oh my gosh. Good afternoon, Julia Musall, M-U-S-A-L-L. And I actually just have a suggestion. I believe it was the Justice Administrator. And I know that one of them was money for interpreting. And I don't know to what extent, because we do not have to provide interpreters for all types of services in Justice Court or District Court. So... They need to look at that. So that's just a way of saving money. So that's all. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.
Come on down, Leah.
Leah Aldridge, A-L-D-R-I-D-G-E. We've got a balanced budget. Yay. Yay. Okay. Well, I'm here to solve all your problems. $980,000 in contingency, correct? Yeah. That's where we build our fish pond. Thank you.
She could put fish in the ponds out here. Go ahead, sir.
My name is William Grubel, G-R-U-B-E-L. And I'm sorry, I just got to say this. In search for a sustainable revenue stream, I bet you're sorry you threw away the best chance we've had for years. It's not too late to unban data centers. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. All right, all right, all right. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Now, Chair.
Mr. Chairman, may I explain something I learned from there? Oh, go ahead.
I'm sorry if you want to do it. I'm going to close public comment.
Go ahead, sir. We can just frame it, and then I'll shut up. I promise. So we have a budget that's been balanced. Part of the budget are two contingency funds. These are, in my opinion, over taxation funds because I'm a Republican. That's how I talk and think. But they call them contingency funds. And there's a restricted contingency and there's an unrestricted. In the restricted contingency, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong very quickly, it's only for certain things that are approvable, pre-approvable, or pre-allowed. Tell me why it's restricted. And I don't even want to know really that much about it.
Give me... I would have to look at the...
Okay, never mind. So there's something called a restricted contingency. And it's restricted, meaning it's restricted in its application. We can't just do whatever we want with it. How's that? There's a real broader... So restricted... Then there's an unrestricted contingency. And even the unrestricted one, it's a built-in buffer that we have to have by law. Now... But it's there unrestricted in that government, we're really just a state entity, essentially. We're state employees up here. We don't have something called home rule, and I'll board people with this. So we have about a million in this unrestricted contingency, which it's inadvisable to use unless we need to, and here we sit, we need to. So we're trying to get back on track, and this is stuff that we have to replenish, and it's part of the budget. What I'm being told right now from her is that, finance director, is that we need $574,000 for the now, the need now, having to do with whatever we need now. Is that correct?
I need to change, add 90,000, because that was the mistake that I made on the Tonopah Justice Court. So it's 674?
That's everybody's ask?
No, so that's the need now. And then the need later is approximately 400,000?
Correct.
Okay, so what I'm saying is if we don't touch Anita's LATCF, and she doesn't have to freak out about that, everyone's fine, and we even get our bulletproof vests in which case we need to or other stuff, we still will have over $700,000 in LATCF at a later time, and we'll have a need of about $400,000. So maybe we can revisit the $400,000 at a future meeting if we need to look at LATCF. Great, if we don't, great. And right now, maybe a motion for $674,000 out of the contingency. Is that okay with everyone? I'll second your motion.
I have a motion to... Can you reinstate it?
Can you say reinstate? I'd like to make a motion, please. The motion is to suspend... What is the... To reinstate services and supplies. Reinstate services and supplies to the number $674,000 out of the unrestricted contingency fund. 40 seconds.
Motion, second, all those in favor? Aye. Aye. There you go. Holy hell.
Even though I didn't understand it at first. Thank you. Thank you.
All right. 24, please.
I'm afraid. I'm afraid to open another item. Item 24 for possible action discussion.
Actually, I'm going to switch to 26 because Tom had asked me a long time ago and I forgot. I'll go right back to 24. So 26, please.
Item 26 for possible action discussion and deliberation to A, discuss the bid responses received for bid number 202606, PWPNY2026411, Tonopah Airport Apron Reconstruction. Award bid number 202606, PWPNY2026411, Tonopah Airport Apron Reconstruction to Amrise Southwest Inc. in the amount of $3,485,219.80, Qualcomm Contractors Inc. in the amount of $5,107,320, or Road and Highway Builders LLC in the amount of $3,000,000, 989, $989. C, approve or amend and approve the contract with the selected bidder contingent upon receiving a Federal Aviation Administration grant award for this project. D, fund from 103.40 grants. Or E, reject bids and provide direction to staff on how to proceed with the project.
Thank you for that, and for the audience, just so you're clear, Director Bolling had asked me an hour ago, at least, if we could do his, because he had an engineer standing by on the phone, and they don't work cheap.
Go ahead, sir. Yeah, we have an engineer standing by. Sorry, Tom Bolling, B-O-L-L-I-N-G, for the record. We have an engineer. She should be on the phone. It should be Carrie Bimer.
If we have a caller on the phone, they need to raise their hand. Star 9.
And also, Cody was here, but he had to leave at 4. He had an appointment to get to.
Okay, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Tara Bymers, B-Y-M-E-R-S. I am the engineer of record with Atkins Realis.
Thank you, ma'am. Go ahead, Tom.
Okay. Sorry. We are asking for you guys to award this contract to Amrise. This is the contract where you do the airport apron at the Tonopah runway or the Tonopah airport. That pavement condition is currently an 18 out of 100, which means it failed a long time ago, and so it all needs to be replaced.
Director Bolling? Mm-hmm. I have staff recommendation to approve road and highway builders.
Is it road and highway? Sorry. It is, sorry. I have it sitting in front of me.
Okay, sorry. Would you like to reinstate? That's correct, road and highway builders. Thank you, sir. Thank you, engineer.
That's why the engineer's on the phone, too.
That's why we got help, right? That's why we're paying for it.
Okay, commissioners, do you have any questions for Tom before we open public comment?
Nope. Sure is nice. The federal government helps us with these airports.
Okay. Sam, let's open public comment. Do we have anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. I'm always interested in watching what you do and tone it off because of my family up there. I don't know how many millions. of dollars that we have spent on refurbishing, redoing, repaving, you name it, to the airport up there. I'm just wondering, why are these bids so high? What's left to be done? How many millions of dollars are going to be spent up there? That's my observation. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down. Angelina. I like saying her name. That's a pretty name.
Angelina Jackson, J-A-C-K-S-O-N. My question is, there's three different amounts on here. What are their...
The differences?
Right. And Mr. Glenn mentioned a grant from the state. How much is that for?
FAA, I'll find out.
Okay. Yeah, but those, free for the mountain doesn't make sense. So if we can get some clarification on that. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Beth.
Beth Borasevich, B-O-R-Y, S-E-W-I-C-H. I've been questioning what's going on in Tonopah for quite some time. I know that you need an airport up there because there are way, way out there. What about us? Why doesn't Pahrump have a darn airport? Why are we always giving the money to Beatty?
It's right up, it's not on the agenda, but it's right by your house.
No, the one that might be over by me is that's a private airport. So I want to know why we are not looking at putting an airport here. To get to the airport... Airport in Vegas it takes two and a half hours, and then you need to be there two hours beforehand So it's like five hours To get to the airplane we need to look at us. I understand. We're doing Tonopah I understand that but I just wanted to ask what about us Thanks Not part of this Thank You Sam anybody on the phone please Yes chair the caller is unmuted please speak and spell your name for the record
Hello, Commissioners. Michael David Garcia, GARCIA. How's my tone this time? Is it okay? Can you hear me? Am I free to speak? Hello? Commissioners, can you hear me?
Yeah.
Hello? Oh, thank you, thank you. I definitely appreciate it. Wow. Hello? So let's just go to the elephant in the room, you know what I mean? The most important thing about engineering is, guess what? Transport, conversion, and storage. Does anybody need to fact check that? Are y'all experts in engineering? Or just when it comes to fraud, extortion, and official oppression?
That's it. He's done.
See how you rock?
Done. Anybody on the phone, Sam?
No, Chair.
Okay, come on up.
Sorry, even the public's getting tired. Thank you, public, for your support.
Susie Hertz, H-E-R-T-Z. It may be redundant, but you talk about an FAA award. but it's not here, and I didn't see it in the backup. I could have been wrong, but it would be nice to know what that is in the public conversation so that we could understand what money out of what we're intending to spend with whoever it is we choose to spend it with, how much of that we will actually have to encumber ultimately. Thank you. Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Closing public. So of this, the FAA grant, this project is contingent on that grant. Is that correct? 100%, yes. Okay. How much is the grant, roughly? How much of this is covered by the grant?
Off the top of my head, I'm not 100% sure. Like I said, Cody had all the facts and everything. No, that's all right.
I believe it's everything but 6%.
That's usually what it is. Usually the order is what our normal requirement is for it.
So it's a substantial grant. Yes. The other question is that Angelina had was the three different amounts, which are varying. Shoot. million and a half dollars different. Roughly, just a short overview of why, roughly.
Different procedures. I mean, their means and methods for redoing the apron is up to them. It has nothing to do with us. Where they're going to get their materials is usually a large part of it, especially in Tonopah. There was one thing that DA brought up that Amrise, if you look on there, Amrise is the apparent low bidder, but however, they are disqualified because they did not do a 10% bid bond. They only did 5%. That's why we were going with RHB.
I'm a contractor. I understand how bids work. Oftentimes, my bids would come in higher or lower or whatever. It's just how it works.
Okay. Questions? Chair, you will need to reject that bid for being non-qualifying. Which one? For the Amherst.
Chair, I'd like to make a motion to disqualify the bid from Amherst South Inc. in the amount stated.
Two board seconds. Motion and a second. All those in favor?
I'd like to make a further motion to award bid number 2026 PWP NY 2026-411 in the amount of as stated for highway builders LLC make that award contingent on the Federal Aviation Administration grant to be awarded in the future. Fund from 10340 grants.
Board of Seconds. We have a motion and a second. Excuse me, did you want to give the amount?
I just did the amount as stated. If you'd like to state it, I'm good with it.
That's fine.
I'm good.
We have a motion and a second. All those in favor?
Aye. Moskovich, aye. That carries 5-0. Thank you, Tom, and sorry I couldn't get to you sooner.
Sorry about that.
I think manager's still scared. Go ahead, dude, 24.
What happened? 24, yeah.
Well, I'm not really scared. No. See, I knew you weren't. Set the date and time only. That's right. For possible action, discussion, and deliberation regarding... a request to set date, time, and location for a public hearing on Nye County Bill number 2026-14, a bill proposing to amend chapter 1710 of the Nye County Code to establish land use regulations, special use permit requirements, and development standards for data centers and related infrastructure by amending section 17.10.010 definition section 17.10.020, purpose and intent by adding a new section 17.10.055, data center special use permit requirements, and providing for the severability, constitutionality, and effective date thereof, and other matters properly relating thereto. And the date we are actually requesting is for a special meeting on October 8th, with that item only.
Okay, thank you for that. Let's open public comment on this. For date and time only. Be good. All right Beth, go ahead.
See, people keep turning this off. They know other people are coming up. I don't get it. I'm okay with the date. I have a 12 page document. Did I send it to you guys?
That's not.
Does that have anything to do with date and time?
Date and time?
It does, because I don't know if the time or the date is enough time to fix the issues that are in here before we meet again.
Yeah, I don't know. That's a. DA? You would have to talk with the DA after that, later. Date and time? You got a problem with either of those?
No, I don't. Okay. But, you know, we might have issues.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on down, Angelina.
Angelina Jackson, JAC, KSON. So, and this has to do with date and time. Okay, the date and time of September 14th that was scheduled for, right, that special hearing, what happened to that? So if this is going to be based, if this is going to be... But it seems like every time, I don't understand why this is even necessary again. As long as there are water restrictions on drilling a well or having a well redrilled and people have to pay for that, there should be no issue of no data center or anything else.
Date and time, I'm sorry.
Date and time. You did have a good question when it came to this at 14. That's what we can help you with.
Come on down, Debra.
Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. See, I'm getting better. The agenda item, I'm kind of disappointed in it. I was hoping to see something that did not have the data centers
It's just about the date and time for this item, and I'm so sorry.
We are proposing October 8, Thursday, at 10 AM. Do you have anything to say about that?
And if I let people speak on it further, then I can get in trouble.
And I'm in enough trouble.
OK. Good.
Good.
Thank you.
Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on down, Leah.
I bet she's going to figure out how to do a fish pond in this.
And the date and time?
Hey, don't steal my thunder. Leah Aldridge, A-L-D-R-I-D-G-E. I'm here to solve all your problems again. Date and time, 12th of never.
Thank you.
Go ahead, Linda. Actually, that was funny.
Linda Clark, CLA-RK. Fishpomp sounds actually good. It would be cheaper than all the other stuff. And safer. Okay, I'll agree with your date and the time, as long as you don't change it again on us. Thank you.
Thanks. Come on down, Susie.
Susie Hertz, HERTZ. You know, we keep putting this on the agenda and it keeps getting knocked off. And having read every version that's been published thus far, I'd say we're very far from where this piece of legislation needs to be to be approved. So therefore, I request that you push this off further so that the staff can do a better job of being consistent with the content that is here.
Okay.
Please. Thank you. Sam, anybody on the telly? No, Chair.
Closing public comment. Commissioners?
Chair, I just wanted to answer one question. The District Attorney had not had a chance to finish his review on September 14th, that last date that we slipped, so we rescheduled. So here we are. I'd like to make a motion to set the date and time for October 8th, Thursday at 10 a.m. for this item.
2026, right?
2026. Thank you, sir. Second.
I have a motion and a second. All those in favor?
Moskovich, aye. Where's I? That's it. That carried. Did anybody? Four with one abstention. Okay. Let's move on to 10, please. I know. I've been promising Joe all day.
I tried and tried. And I'm going to turn this over to number nine or number 10? 10.
Vice chair or vice chair or I know. If he said earlier, he texted me and said you could handle it as chair. So you're chair.
Number 10, for possible action, discussion and deliberation to issue a gaming license to Timothy Cogswell with United Coin Machine Company, DBA Century Gaming Technologies for a slot route, a U.S. market located at 2310 South Highway 160, Pahrump, Nevada.
Is Mr. Cogswell around on the phone?
Chair, I do have Chair McGill on the phone, and it is not likely that the applicant is available on the phone due to the length it took to get to their item. Okay. Would you like me to unmute?
Sheriff, do you have anything to add before I call for public comment?
I just wanted to bring up that our department did do a thorough and complete background investigation in reference to this. uh, Mr. Cogswell has multiple other, uh, coin route, uh, coin routes in Nye County. And there is, uh, in our review, there is nothing prohibiting him from or precluding him from getting awarded this license.
Okay. Thank you. Is there any public comment on this agenda item?
Come on down, Susie. A request that the applicant be present when... Susie Hertz, I'm sorry. H-E-R-T-Z. Thank you. This is a request that the applicant be present when discussing whether he should be issued or not issued a permit. That would be appropriate, I think. So maybe you could continue this. Thank you. Thank you.
Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. I would concur with that, too. It's better that they're here so we can hear more information from them. I didn't see enough in the backup to say, okay, here's who these people are, here's what they're doing. I do see the fee's paid, so that's positive, but it would be best if they were here. Thank you.
Thank you. Is anyone on the phone, Sam? No, Chair. Thank you. All down.
Teresa Naleway, N-A-L-E-W-A-Y. I would like to ask how many games, quote unquote, does a town need when people ask me what's in my town? I moved here five years ago. I say we have many firework warehouses, smoke and vape shops, drug dispensaries, casinos, gas stations, and that section that they're looking at of 160 is very dangerous. We don't have theaters. We barely have a bowling alley. Thank goodness for that. But we don't have a lot of things that could entice people here. We also have a lot of RV parks. And that basically is for a lot of those people to go to Death Valley. It's not to stay here. Thank you.
Anybody else, public comment? Seeing none, I'll call for public comment.
Comment on the phone. Someone on the phone. Yes. Go ahead. Caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioner. It's Michael David Berthier, GARCIS. Is the volume okay for you all?
Everything's fine, Michael. Keep to the agenda, please. Thank you. Say it again. Keep to the agenda.
Oh, absolutely. I would never pass up a chance to question the sheriff's investigative skills. The track record speaks for itself. You got criminals investigating themselves. It works out really good. Thank you all.
Bye. Any further public comment? Anyone on the phone? No, Chair.
Chair, I'd like to make a motion. Go ahead. I'd like to make a motion to issue the gaming license with United Coin Machine Company, DBA, as stated, for location, as stated.
Four seconds.
We have a first and two seconds. Call for a vote.
Aye. Aye. Or is it aye? I'll skip it to aye. Joe, are you there?
Sheriff? If I'm unmuted, aye.
Okay, there we go.
Number 11.
Number 11.
Item 11, for possible action, discussion and deliberation to issue a temporary liquor license to Nye County Drifter, LLC, DBA Happy Borough, located at 100 West Main Street, Beatty, Nevada.
Sheriff, do you have anything on this one?
Chair, I will. Okay, go ahead, Samantha.
Thank you, Sheriff. So we received the application from this applicant. It is quite voluminous. We've already done the background and fingerprinting on the individual. They're clear there. We are still waiting for the report to be finished up by the investigator. And the applicant is conducting some tenant improvements at the site. So they're not ready to be open just yet. That's why we're asking for the temporary. They do expect within 30 days to be complete. And in regards to reports in the backup, we have had a change in the last year on who completes our investigations. So we're working out some kinks in future items. We will have backup as far as the investigation results go. Okay, thank you.
Do we have a name associated with this? Is he here or she here?
No, Chair, they are not here. Probably because of the duration it took to get to that item. Yeah, I know.
I've been out there. I'm going to open public comment on this item. Anybody who'd like to speak, come on up.
Linda Clark, just a simple, probably blonde question. Why do they need a temporary if they're not ready to be opened?
CLARK. CLARK.
I was just making sure we're still on screen so we didn't get interrupted.
Go ahead, ma'am. Julia Musall, M-U-S-A-L-L. And I just want you to know that I have been researching these liquor license, and I want you to know that there are a few out there who still have temporary licenses, okay? A year, two years, so... Trust me, it will be coming back here very soon. So if you're going to give somebody a temporary, it cannot stay. And not only that, legally, if I'm correct, they have to come back and get the extensions. Just so that you know, that isn't happening either. It's because people are skirting around the law. So it will be coming up soon. Thank you. Good. Thank you. Anyone on the phone?
No, Chair. Come on down.
Angelina Jackson, JAC, KSON. My thing is this. If we can all still be here and other applicants can be here to wait all day long for their presentation to come up, then these other applicants should be present as well, or they just have to put it back on the agenda.
Thank you. Anybody else? I'd like to make a motion if I may I Go ahead.
Commissioner Jabbour is going to do it for me. I'm passing the buck.
Well, thank you. Thank you, sorry. And I will clarify that this is a liquor license, not a gaming license, as written under the approval on the bottom here. So through the chair, I will move to issue a temporary liquor license to Nye County Drifter LLC, DBA Happy Borough, located 100 West Main Street, Beatty, Nevada.
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Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 27. You should be so lucky. All right, 27, please. Whoever wants to indulge.
Item 27, for possible action, discussion and deliberation and possible direction to staff to consider selling Amargosa Valley Science and Technology Park located 5970 East Highway 95, Amargosa, Nevada.
Thank you for that. Who's speaking on this one?
The public petitioner.
Is Paul Lemus on the phone?
Chair, if Mr. Lemus is on the phone, he needs to raise his hand by pressing star 9.
How do we proceed if he's not there?
I'd like to continue the item to when he can be here, if you don't mind, Chair.
That's fine. Is that a motion?
That's my motion. To continue the item until...
It'll be date specific.
I'll second. Okay, I need to find a date. The first meeting in October is October 6th. Is the 6th? I'd like to make a motion to continue this to the 6th. I'll second it again. Thank you.
A motion and a second to continue to 10-6. All those in favor? Public. Public. Oh, sorry. Public comment first. Do we have any public wishing to speak on? 27. 27.
There's no comment on the phone.
Nobody?
Thank you.
All right. Call it. Call that.
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
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Item 9, 10 a.m. timed item for possible action, public hearing discussion and deliberation to adopt, amend and adopt or reject Nye County Bill number 2026-09, a bill proposing to adopt a development agreement between Nye County and MAC LLC and providing for the severability, constitutionality, and effective date thereto.
Thank you for that. Hello, Keel.
Thank you. Qiana Medici, Q-I-A-N-A-M-E-D-I-C-I. The Perumper Regional Planning Commission voted to recommend approval of PU 25.1 and ZCMP 25.9, a major master plan amendment for the Wilson Ranch project during the September 10, 2025 meeting to allow for a master plan mixed community on the 139-acre parcel known to residents as the Binion Ranch. The following month during the October 21st, 2025 BOCC meeting, the board voted to approve both applications with the usual standard conditions of approval, as well as special conditions of approval. One of the conditions was that they needed to obtain approval of a development agreement, which is before you today, DA-25-5. The other requirement was submittal of a tentative map after approval of the development agreement and submittal of a tortoise survey to be submitted with the tentative map to ensure that the existing population can be preserved at a new location. The development agreement has been reviewed by the district attorney, the sheriff, fire chief, school district, public works, and planning staff as required by Nye County Code. The backup provided to you includes a proposed version and the version agreed to by the property owners and administration. And the property owners are available for questions and further discussion.
Thank you for that, Kiana. Commissioners, do you have anything for either the applicant or Kiana?
I will hold for now. Thank you.
All right. Let's open public comment and see if we have anybody that wishes to speak. Sam, do you have anyone on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. So I looked at this M-A-C-K-K-L-L-C group, and they're a trucking company. And they opened up in Vegas on March 14, 2022. They also have places in Alabama and Idaho and Texas and many other states. They closed some. not too long after operation. They change a lot. They get sued a lot. Now, I want to know, do they have their hazardous waste training, if that's what they're planning to do? Do they carry their own insurance? Are they, have their brokers been authorized or revoked or suspended? The development agreement was changed a couple of times in the backup. I'm not really willing to just hand over any contract to them without some kind of bond or insurance guarantee of what they're going to do with the infrastructure. So I hope you look at this closely. Thank you.
Thank you for that. Sir, would you let, thank you very much. One down, Beth.
Beth Borasevich, B-O-R-Y-S-E-W-I-C-H. I hope I'm talking about the same thing or not talking about the same thing Amy was. So I think she was on the wrong item. Thank you. I think I sent you guys this Wilson Ranch MAC development evaluation, the agreement evaluation. The agenda summary describes it as 139-acre mixed-use project and says the developer is proposing a five-year development agreement, but the draft agreement authorizes a minimum capacity of 830 dwellings. and states a 10-year term with a five-year extension. So that kind of needs to be cleaned up so we know whether it's five years, 10 years with a five-year extension, or just an additional five years. Also, the agreement, requires later studies instead of before you guys decide to jump into this for 10 years or five years or whatever. But it says put the studies off approvals by phase, phase by phase compliance, but much of the engineering is deferred until after you guys sign this. I really need you to look at the studies first before you jump into the agreement because otherwise, you know, you're in a 10-year agreement and the study is not a good thing. They also say that there's a non-material amendment. That means they can make minor changes, minor. Anything that is, I think it said $125,000, or a major change to a paragraph, is not a non-material amendment. You need to look at that, too. Oh, crap. Thank you, Beth. Did you guys all get this, though?
Sam, do you have anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello? Can you hear me?
Please spell your name or state and spell your name for the record.
They hung up.
Come on down, Deborah.
Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. I am opposed to this subdivision at this time because we don't know how much water we have. And my well has already gone down significantly, at least it seems like it to me. Something less than 20,000 square feet, net square feet, I don't know what the net means, is really too small. It would cause us to have to have more families coming in and being in that housing. And until we know how much water We actually have, I think we need to table this. Thank you.
Thank you for that. Sam Deriv, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Terry Joe Hook, H-O-O-K, and I am a 23-year resident of Nevada. I agree with Seth. I am here for... Today, to urge you to vote no on item 9, the MAC LLC development agreement, and to call for an immediate moratorium on all new large-scale housing applications until comprehensive, independent infrastructure impact studies are completed. Our community is operating on a dangerous deficit. Our roads are falling apart. Our schools are overcrowded. Our single hospital is stretched thin. And our law enforcement and first responders are already handling a staggering volume of calls with limited personnel. The MAC LLC project proposes up to 1,767 units. At the average household size, 2.5 people. That translates to roughly 4,418 new residents or 884 acre feet of water annually. To improve a population influx of this magnitude, when our foundational resources are already on the verge of drying up is physically and socially irresponsible. Furthermore, it is a slap in the face to everyday citizens. Nye County currently has thousands of local taxpaying property owners holding zombie locks. I am one of them. Parcels we cannot build on because the county claims we lack the infrastructure. How can we lift those citizens in the eyes and say that there is no infrastructure for them, but magically find the resources to fast track thousands of units for outside developers. We are not against local growth. We are against blind growth. We need a complete ban on new major residential applications until we have a real current data-driven impact studies that prove our water, roads, schools, public safety, and medical services can handle it. Please protect the people who already live here, pay taxes here, and love this town. Vote no on item nine. Thank you.
Thank you. Perfect timing. Come on down, Julia.
Good evening. It's not even afternoon anymore. I am definitely against item number nine.
Can you?
Oh, sorry. M-U-S-A-L-L. Thank you. I'm against it for several reasons and one is, let me take my glasses off so I can see. It says, no final map will be recorded for any phase until developer obtains adequate, certificated, or permitted water rights for the applicable phase. This is regarding 6.4 water. And as many have said, how can we approve anything when we don't have reports? That just doesn't make sense to me. And then, when I was looking at documents, it says something about hiring five police officers? We don't even have a police department. So how, this makes no sense. Somebody is putting the cart, or the, Yes, thank you. So anyway, again, we need all of these reports before you guys please do anything. Even if we have to extend this, Get the report so we know, you know, as citizens, what is going on. Because as we know, too many times we approve the item and then the reports come in and then we're not happy. So all I ask is please let's get the reports before you guys make your final decision. And we do not have police officers. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anyone on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on down.
Hello. My name is Ruth Matthew, M-A-T-T-H-E-W. I'd say continue this bill, 202.609. This agreement protects the project before it knows the price. The agreement admits services and infrastructures are insufficient or unplanned. yet the agenda calls financial impact not applicable and skips financial review. A possible taxpayer-funded gap remains unmeasured. The developer determined its impact fee by itself. $1.6 million equals roughly $40,000 a year for each of five deputies and three firefighters before benefits or equipment. Disclose cost, timing, and long-term funding. Keep inflation adjusted and additional to impact fees. ID taxpayer costs and then tie it down to each phase to availability and capacity. Section 6.6 says development will not be interrupted when necessary off-site improvements are missing. Residents carry that risk. Remove it. Section 3.8 lets MAC transfer and be released without board approval or review. The buyer's finances require notice, approval, financial capacity, and replacement security. Commercial multi-family land can become single-family administratively, changing revenue and service demands without a hearing. Require public review. The street impact fee increased before this hearing, but the exhibit uses the old rate. Correct it and disclose credits. The cover says five years. Section 11 says 10 without a unit. Fix it. Offer a possible five-year renewal and delays may add more. Residents may expect five years while actual protections last 10 to 15 or longer. Set one clear term. Cap extensions require updated financials and capacity findings before renewal and make reviews automatic and public. Correct the errors. Do not grant long-term transferable protections while public costs and rights remain unknown. Thank you.
CHRIS RODGERS. Thank you. Sam, anyone on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
JOHN O' My name is John O'Brien, O-p-p-b-r-i-e-n. My only comment on this project is the density of the population. If we go ahead and we do anything forward with this project, we'll open the town of Pahrump and the master plan to higher densities and this community can't afford it. We do not have the resources, we do not have the infrastructure, we do not have the fire services to support it. For all these reasons, I say vote this down, let it go back to the developer until they can come back with less property density. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on up Susie.
Susie Hertz, H-E-R-T-Z. I highly recommend that this be tabled or continued until it can be further fleshed out. A lot of questions. What's the minimum amount of commercial development, if any, if this developer contractually is required to build out under this agreement? The 2025 PUD was approved as mixed use with approximately 25,000 to 150,000 square feet of commercial development. Where's that requirement carried out in this current agreement? Can every designated commercial or multi-family area be converted to single family residential through a non-material administrative modification? If so, Could the project ultimately become essentially all residential without another BOCC public hearing? Why is the conversion among major land use categories considered non-material when it may alter the traffic patterns, school demands, jobs, tax base, water demand, sewer, all services needed by residents? Before approving 5,000 square foot lots, what are the exact lot widths adapted setbacks maximum lot coverage parking standards that will apply you have three practical decisions to make adopt amend and adopt or reject based on the current packet i'd say at the minimum you amend it before you adopt it this is a an agreement that it has changed substantially from its original publication in 2025, and I don't think it's ready to be approved. There are too many unanswered questions. There are too many open, unopened doors.
Thank you very much. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Come on up, Tammy.
Tammy Pittman, P-I-T-M-A-N. When we originally had a town, it was acre lots, and then it went to half acre lots, and they finally said, okay, high density is going to stay on the south end of town so we can retain our rural lifestyle. All of a sudden, we're getting high density homes, neighborhoods in the middle of town, which is exactly what was promised wouldn't happen. Second of all, going from what would normally be 278 homes and that 139 acres maximum is now 830 homes. That's three times the density that was originally planned for. And you know how our water is over-allocated. And yes, we don't have a water thing, but the plan is coming in, I think, in 2027. They're doing it, working on it right now, so everybody can't say, oh, we don't know. They just say, we need to wait until 2027 so that we can make an informed decision instead of just playing darts with a dartboard. I say, this needs to be tabled until we have the 2027 water bill. and secondly, it should be, the density needs to come back up to half an acre for each house.
Sam, thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please.
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Matt Sadler, S-A-D-L-E-R. I think this measure that you're looking at right now, I think does need to be voted down to allow them to maybe come back with an amendment for the larger lot sizes. We seriously need to start looking at being responsible, being beholden to the master plan, being beholden to our identity out here in Pahrump. And I urge you to go ahead and, you know, we need responsible growth. We don't need unfettered growth. And I think it's issues like this that we need to stand firm. So that's my two cents. Thank you very much.
CHAIRMAN BRYANT L. Thank you. Come on down. Gosh darn it, I forgot her name. Nancy. There you go.
OK. Y-A-N-D-A. I just think this is ridiculous. You want to put more homes and cramp everyone in there. They have to be at least a half an acre. They can't be, you only got zombie lots all over. People can't have sewers or wells. Why do you wanna put more homes in? Where are they gonna get the water? And on top of that, we don't even know how much water we have. I think you better table it. Wait till another time.
Sam, you got anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on up, Linda.
Linda Clark, CLA-RK. Staff recommendations adapting 2026-05. Which one will apply to this MACKK question from somebody else in the audience? My question is, the procedure that we have up here is backwards. You call these people up. We have an agenda item. They come up here. They stand here. And then you say, let's call the public up for public questions. We don't even know what they're going to say. So we have to wait till we're through talking to listen to them so we can even comment. That seems backwards to me. What's that saying? The horse is before the cart, or the cart is before the horse. Which way do you want it? I would like to have it the horse before the cart, and we're the horse, and they're the cart. But we're not getting that. You put all this backwards, or maybe it's the other way around, I said backwards. But anyway, you know what I mean. We want to hear what they have to say before we make our comments. And why can't you do that? You've done that several times today and in the past. It doesn't make any sense to me. What's the sense having public comment if we don't even know what they're going to say? And not always is this in the backup. You know that as well as I do. The backups are very limited. Some of them are excessive and others have nothing. So how are we supposed to know what's going on? Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Tim.
Hi, Tim Bohin, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. I'm going to take us back a few years. First time I had a the pleasure of meeting with Commissioner Koenig and Commissioner Strickland in their office. It was John's office. The feedback was more acreage, more land, reduce the amount of water as much as possible. Conserve, conserve, conserve. High density wasn't even a thought, wasn't even a discussion. In fact, it was the opposite. So I guess my question is, do we want high density? Do we want lower density? What do we want? And then from that standpoint, address it from there. The water allocations, I got a surprise back earlier in the year. Based on the general contractor agreements, we're already at the 20,000 acre feet, actually over. So it's a concern. We're over-allocated. Doesn't mean they're going to develop it, but it means that we're over-allocated. We need to keep a hand on it. High density, low density? Here's the turning point.
Thank you. Come on down, Angelina.
Angelina Jackson, JAC, KSON. If I'm not mistaken, is this the subdivision that started being built that's off of Wilson Road where it's...
The old Binion Ranch.
Okay.
Oh, you're thinking of Shawnee Ridge.
Right behind Walmart, across from Patrick Park, that big vacant piece of property.
Oh, okay. So this...
There used to be a bunch of silver.
All right.
All right, we've got to give her her time back.
It's all right. So has this already been in front of the board for this particular developer? Because I think it should be contingent based upon what the original agreement was. And honestly, allocating that much more, that many more homes on that size is... a little excessive, I think. But, I mean, for the development itself in that area, I don't see a problem with it, like I said. It's just the issue is of that many homes in that small of an acreage.
Thank you. Sam, anyone on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yeah, Bruce Johnson, J-O-H-N-S-O-N. And I just really want to touch on your sequencing procedure. NRS 241.021 provides a procedure where the public comment occurs after an action item is discussed by the public body, but before action is taken. So I just want to urge you guys to consider changing the way that you're doing things, just like Linda Clark said. Thank you.
Come on down, please.
Teresa Naleway, N-A-L-E-W-A-Y. Like the others, I oppose of this. What I would like to see is that the BOCC pass a one-year moratorium on any new build for commercial and residential subdivisions effective October 1, 2026. This moratorium would exclude current projects that are being built, whether they be a residential or a commercial, and owned lots already in which they can build a single home or a single home with an ADA. In one year, then we should have an idea about our water and what our town will look like when the current building is completed. Then this project can be brought forth to the board again.
Thank you, Sam. Anyone on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
H-E-M-B-Y. I'm very concerned about the proposed density of the housing unit and the strain on our resources, specifically our aquifer and the strain on local infrastructure. I'm also concerned about a congestion in that area. I too would like to see a moratorium on all major housing projects or at the very least table item number nine as I'm opposed to it in its current form. The water reports are necessary before a decision should ever be made on anything in this town. And I thank you for your time.
Thank you. I wonder what's with all the feedback.
There is a live phone, but we can't find it or do anything about it. That's funny. I don't know who it is.
Oh, that's funny. Go ahead, Anthony.
Anthony Greco, GRECO. I've been here for 28 years. I remember when people were fighting not to break 10-acre lots into five. Okay, and now we're going down to garage-size properties. We can't have this. This is a rural community. Please keep it rural.
Thank you, Sam. Anybody on there now?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Commissioners Herman Lewis, LEWIS. Everyone's brought up all the points I would, so just a post. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on up, Leah. Did you plan that to be right after Herm? There you go.
Leah Aldridge, ALD, RIDGE. I'm in agreement with the lady back there who's all for a building moratorium until we get the water report back next year. I just think it would not be good to go forward with any new building commercially or private. And I'd like to add one small caveat to that. No more building until we get a fish pond.
All right. Sam, do you have anybody for us, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioner. It's Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. How's my volume for y'all? Is my connection okay?
You're doing good. Go ahead.
Thank you, thank you. I appreciate the support. First of all, I'd like to thank Bruce Johnson for pointing out the elephant in the room when it comes to due process, and especially there is no authority with... due process without authority. I'm sorry, were you signed?
Or did I- This has nothing to do with the topic, sir.
Okay. Well, I just prayed to another speaker. And if I could continue, I'd like to- Hello? Go ahead. Am I still on?
We're done. Sam, you got anybody else for us?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hi, Stacey, Ann, Ann, and E. While we're waiting for the tortoise relocation survival report, I'd like to remind everyone what happened right down the road near Tacopa Road. 139 tortoises were relocated and significant mortality followed. Tortoises have a strong homing behavior after relocation. They can travel long distances attempting to return to their original home ranges. exposing them to new predators, put them in the path of vehicles, dehydration, and additional dangers. Relocation isn't the same as protection. So not right now, we need better solutions. We really have to be more considerate and remember those who make this land their home, but can't be here to speak for themselves. Thank you.
CHRIS RODGERS. Thank you for that. Anybody else, please, Sam. We're going to close public comment.
Commissioners, what do we have for the applicants? Let me phrase some of this, some of the comment included, and obviously it's things we've heard before. I want to start out by just pointing out something I don't think anybody understands. They can build right now, they can build, according to the closest data center, they can build 756 homes right now. And it can look like a Shawnee Ridge, I can have the problems of a Shawnee Ridge, and that guy who's living in a boat out there right now, who we can't seem to get rid of, he could still be there because they can still build right now around the guy in the boat. And so someone who's been on that property more than I guarantee any of you at all hours of the night, I know so much about this property that I don't want to know. There are people living there. There's people doing drugs there. You could put the bars around it. It could be a prison. And there'd probably be less crime going on in the prison than there is in that area. It is a horrible area. There's an underground area. People are setting fires in. People randomly set fires in there. The first time I ever saw the chief was when there was a fire back there, and I saw him. It was four years ago. You didn't know I was there. I saw some guy running back there. There was a fire. They set fires back there. Not only is it dangerous, but they can put 756 homes there right now with no input from us. They could put a giant building there right now. They can put a giant Bronx-style building there right now. I'm told by our planning, our county manager, who knows more about planning than anybody else in this room, I promise you, who says they could put a giant apartment building there right now, talk about your disaster. That is a nightmare for me. And hopefully people can see this. I said no to the winery project. I said no to the project he didn't want because he didn't want it. Lots were too big. We need to preserve the larger lots in the part of my district that are appropriate. But behind the Walmart, the only thing goes on back there is people taking their stolen stuff from Walmart and opening it up on the Binion property. That's what goes on today. And so we could have 756 houses back there with stolen stuff blowing around and guys with selling drugs out of houses. Like some parts, unfortunately, I've noticed with the Shawnee with no development agreement, we're in there just trying to figure it out with no money. Or we could work with these people. We're kind of stuck here. It's already been approved We can't just say can't do this go away. They have legal rights and they have attorneys I don't know how many of you went through law school But there are more attorneys that they have than we have probably the whole county if you exclude the prosecutors So that is a big big problem Aside from that water rights they have to have water rights Are you planning on having water rights? Are you going to use water?
Can I talk about water?
Please go ahead, yes.
I understand that James Eastley told me that you've been annexed into the Great Basin Water Company.
Yes, that's correct.
How many water rights did you provide to that utility?
I'll have...
It's over 1,100 acre feet, I want to say.
Just so that we can be accurate.
Please, that'd be great. And then I'll step back down, if you don't mind. Yes. James Eastley is the manager of Great Basin Water Company. State your name and spell it for the record.
Yes, Commissioner. It's Ed Tanney with Tanney Engineering. T-A-N-E-Y is how you spell the last name. And there have been like 139, I believe, acre feet of water that have been actually appropriate to Great Basin Water Company. And that's now been accepted by the Public Utility Commission of Nevada. Thank you.
Thank you, commissioner.
So we are not allowed to make up our own rules on water because we don't own our water. The state owns our water. They have their rules. If they apply by those rules tomorrow, they can start 756, maybe more houses right now and they can do whatever they want as long as they're on those same size lots or put a big giant apartment building from what the county manager is telling me, which is like the last thing we need right now. Trust me, you don't want that behind, uh, The Walmart, there's enough crime there already and we'll be talking about that later as far as water rights. That's all we can do. But that's it's not our rule. It's the state rules. We have to have a reasonable restriction on on any developer. It's already. They've already got their zoning, so they can already build. We can't take it back. There's nothing we can do currently 8000 square foot lots, according to what they already have now. And that's what I'm trying to say. whether I like it or don't like it or you like it or don't like it, that's not going to change. So there's two things that happened with this agreement because it kind of dropped in my lap. It's my district. I hate this property because of all what goes on over there anyway. No offense to anybody here. But two things that happened is one, that I spoke with them and they wanted to, in my opinion, and I don't take offense at this, but I didn't like how the agreement was written where they could put multifamilies all through the thing. It seemed ambiguous to me and maybe that's not what the intent was, but it scared me because all I could think about was like all these little cheapy kind of fourplex things all dumped in the whole area and it's gonna look crazy and our fire apparatus is gonna have a hard time coming in and all we're gonna be doing is respond to criminal calls in there. because of just the fact there's so many people in there jammed in. I talked to them. They have now moved the apartments to smaller controlled apartments. They said they put a wall around it. It's part of this agreement. They're gonna put it up on basin so our fire apparatus could pull aside and handle if there's a fire there because there's enough fires there now. We don't want more. So I've already worked with them to the best of my ability to try to just get rid of all the apartments. People complain all the time about affordable housing, everyone thinks I'm mean because I won't let people put a hut in the middle of the woods and just live there. This is affordable housing. We do need places for children to go and not pay a lot of money. We need to put people, even if there is a homeless guy that wants to better himself, where is he gonna live? Is he gonna buy an 1800 square foot place on an acre? We have to have places for people to live. So if we want to have a Chili's, we have to have waitresses at the Chili's and they have to live somewhere and they're making not a lot of money. So it seems like a good compromise. I've been talking to them. They're willing to do certain security measures. That is what my concern is. They can build anyway, so it's a matter of we either do it and have these security measures and have this oversight, or we don't do it. Now, another thing I'm going to do, and remember the moment, I'm going to compliment Commissioner Strickland for her work and Commissioner Koedig for their work. I could tell by their faces that they beat them up and really got a lot of money out of them. And that's what that letter is. It says five police, three firefighters. Now that may not be, I'm gonna kick it back in a second to her. I don't think that's appropriate. We can't fund five police and three firefighters. That's not enough money. But they managed to get $1.6 million out of these developers in order to, push that into wherever it goes here for first responders. And so I couldn't have done that. Commissioner Strickland did that with Commissioner Koenig. Those two did it. I couldn't have done that. I'm not very good at that kind of thing. They did. So sometimes even when people don't see eye to eye, they work well together. So instead of having a completely chaotic 756 lots that are just built or one giant apartment building with who knows what, We're gonna have a controlled development. There's nothing we can do. It's already approved. So if Commissioner Strickland wants to talk about what she negotiated with the $1.6 million because we're gonna have to figure out that language. It's just a letter. I don't think a letter is binding, but we're gonna have to figure out how to handle that because it will not put five cops on the street and it will not put three firefighters on the street. So I don't know if you had, did you have a time to think about that? Go ahead, Commissioner.
Commissioner, I would like for this board to consider throwing this letter out entirely as public record because it's not exemplary of what we are seeing come through in this particular development. There has been changes to development agreement that's come to us. As you know, commissioners, if you go to page 20 of 45, please. You will see item 4.3, item five says changes of multifamily or commercial designation in exhibit C to be single family designations. And so that's a significant change, which is fine as long as the developer is willing to also make another change. I'm gonna, if I could, did you guys get that? I'm gonna go on to page 27 of 45, 6.2. It states within this body, it says, police service, fire protection, ambulance service. It says, to mitigate the impact of proposed development on emergency services, developer shall pay the county a fee of $1,928, the emergency services fee. And then it continues to say, which I would like to strike, for a total of $1,600,240. The emergency service fee, that can continue, the emergency service fee shall be paid at the issuance of a building permit for each unit. I will like you to note, commissioners, that we went from having our amount of single family dwellings and multifamily and commercial, and now we've added more single family units. It is my intent to make sure that every single family unit pays $1,928. If that's amendable to the developer, I would make a motion to amend and approve this for the total amount, the $1 million, six that has been stated, and the statement should only be $1,928 for each unit that is built. So we are covering the additional single family units that you are now proposing.
Can I interject? Because I know what he's going to say. That's because I asked for that. I don't want all these multifamily units because it's going to kill us there. We just can't have all this density, and that's too much. So it is my fault. I'm not saying that I'm going to pay it or anything, but I understand what you're saying. I'm fine with that. I don't know that much about this development. I'll be honest with you. I will confess that.
Commissioner Kogan, I've got you.
So you're saying it goes from 1.6 million to what what are they gonna be on the hook?
Yes, and how many more units they build they will be They will go ahead.
I'm sorry.
I just want to clarify real quick that for the Non-material modification that was just so that it can go to what's considered a less intense use of single-family commercial and multifamily which will be reviewed by the county it doesn't change the
the amount of units under the development agreement still, so it wasn't... No, it says, item 5, 4.3 says, change a multifamily or commercial designation in Exhibit C to single-family designation.
Correct, but we have a total amount of residential units between multifamily, single-family, all together, and so the fee in here is intended to be applied to all residential units.
It still comes out to $1.6 million.
You believe it'll still come out to a million six?
It's that number, so it's the 1,928 times.
That's what we need. We need to have it the 1,928 times. Because it could be, by the time you get to the mapping, we really don't know how many single family units you're going to have.
That's fair. That's acceptable. That's the intent. That still is our density cap. So this would be, yes, that's correct. It will apply to any residential unit as it comes.
Koenig, you know this as well as I do. What do you think of that? I'm good. Okay. You good? Developer? Yes.
And next step to this would be the map approval. So we get to see the map. So we have ability to look at that and make sure that there's not going to be tight corners or these, these, what is the minimum law? Cause right now you can do 8,000. What is the, can you give me a breakdown?
The minimum lot under the planned unit development is 5,000. It's not going to be all 5,000. There's going to be a variety of lots within there. And so where the agreement, silent too it defaults to the applicable rules which is the Nye County code so all the other standards will default to that that's the only place where it's where it's varying you will work with us on this with the lot sizes and everything and And so the tentative maps will have to come back in and will be subject to review. Any multifamily or commercial will be subject to site development.
I think it's important for people to understand. I know that you're probably not used to speaking to groups of people in the audience, but this is how we do things here. And we want people to be informed. And this is important because a lot of people are upset. And there's a lot of people saying all kinds of crazy stuff around here that's not true. So in order to clarify it, I just want to remind everybody that the map is a separate procedure that comes before this board. That is correct? That's correct. We discuss this, and anybody else who wants to discuss it, we'll discuss that and look into that, look into the safety part of it, bring the chief in, bring whoever with law enforcement in, and then we're going to discuss security that you've already added in there that I've asked for and thank you, because security to me is a big priority. Again, not to beat a dead horse, but we are not able to add water rules because we don't own the water. If they can find water, it's between them and the state, so it's just a jurisdictional problem. We can't do that. So I'm done now. I am okay with that as long as the money. It sounds like we've done a pretty good negotiation with you as far as getting money. So I do appreciate that. I would like to thank the two of these commissioners once more.
Commissioner, I just wanted to add one thing. Part of the PUD restrictions that come with it, living areas of buildings shall not cover more than 35% of the residential lot. Total of the living area, porches, carports, storage rooms, stairways, shall not exceed 50% of the residential lot. So it wouldn't be in their best interest to plant a bunch of 5,000 square foot lots out there, because it would really tie their hands on
And you have green space. I saw the open space. So there is green space, and thank you for that. So really, I do think we're in better shape now than if you just did whatever. That Ashani Ridge is a disaster, and I feel so bad for those people there. There's a lot of really great people there, and I'm trying to do what I can to do whatever I can there. But that was a whole thing that happened before this board. So there is open space on that map. You'll come back before this board with open space and what we're planning on doing in security, and we'll talk about all of that. And I think I'm done. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Go ahead.
Chair, and finally, the public is not hearing us, so I'll try one more time. This was master planned for what the commissioner has said, Commissioner Bain. It has a public utility development agreement already in place, and that's why we're sitting here now in control and driving the bus to make sure that we get what we need for the rest of the community through this development agreement, and I appreciate working with you.
Madam, very quickly, what is the $1.6 million going to if it's not going? I mean, how are we doing? Is it just going into the police fund? Is it still earmarked, but just not for a number?
It's an impact fee, so it's got to be for impacts from this development. The five deputies actually came from the national average. Okay. We're going to sheriff and undersheriff have stated many times it's two and a half deputies per thousand residents. They're estimating roughly 2000 residents. That's where five deputies have full build out comes from.
So we have the regular impact fees and then she's negotiating actually called, if you don't mind commissioner, it's called an emergency services fee is what the development agreement reads.
So what we have done, we've taken the typical impact fee and then you've negotiated, two of you have negotiated an additional, a lot of money, I could tell on their face they didn't like it, but we've got that. And so that will go into the police and fire fund. Is it equal or is it a percentage or do we have to worry about that some other time?
That is up to you.
Okay, we'll determine that another time. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Madam.
Is everybody in agreement? I'll attempt this now.
Go ahead, let's hear it.
All right, I'd like to make a motion to amend and adopt Knight County Bill number 2026-09 with one change under 6.2. We would strike for a total of $1,640. The rest of that statement to remain. And remove the letter? Oh, thank you, sir. That's why you all just stopped. And remove the letter from our records.
I just, before, second, or I think, when you removed the $1,600,000, blah, blah, blah, The end of that is it shall be paid at the issuance of building permit for each unit?
I meant that to stay. Is there something else you want to add? But how much? That amount. So the emergency services fee shall be paid at issuance of the building permit for each unit.
Okay, so it's $1,928 for each unit?
Correct, sir. Is it clear? Okay, thank you. A motion and a second.
All right, we have a motion and a second. If there's nothing further, I'm going to call for the vote.
Aye. Aye.
Aye. Chippewa is aye. Boscovich, aye. That carries 5-0. Thank you, guys. Thank you.
Thank you, guys.
Yeah. All right, let's...
Thank you, Kiana.
Okay, let's go to 12, please.
So I'm going to make a recommendation that we open 12, 14, and 15 all together. All at once. Okay. DA, are you good with that?
All right, let's do it. 12. 10, 8.
Item 12, 10 a.m. for possible action, public hearing, discussion, and deliberation to adopt, amend, and adopt or reject Town of Pahrump Bill number 2026-03, a bill adding Chapter 26 titled Pahrump Police Department by adding Section 26-1 titled Purpose and Findings, Section 26-2 titled Definitions, Section 26-3 titled Establishment of Pahrump Police Department, Section 26-4, Title Chief of Police Appointment and Duties. Section 26-5, Title of Appointment and Qualifications of police officers, section 26-6, titled Administration and Department Policies, section 26-7, titled Police Department Fund, Budget and Expenditures, section 26-8, titled Coordination and Interlocal Agreements, section 26-9, titled Reports and Public Accountability, and section 26-10, titled Rules and Providing for the Servability, Constitutionality, an effective date thereof, and other matters properly relating thereto. Item 13, 10 a.m. for possible action, public hearing discussion and deliberation, or I'm sorry, not 13. Item 14, for possible action, discussion and debate over funding for Pahrump Police Department. Item 15, for possible action, discussion and action taken to appoint peace officers for Pahrump Police Department under NRS 269.235, One, Chief Tom Klenzar. Two, Officer Harry Williams. Three, Officer Adam Tibbetts.
All right. Thank you for that. Our sponsor had to step out and asked if I would move to public comment first. So Sam, you got anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Amy Nelson. N-E-L-S-O-N. It's highly, it's a big problem the way you're doing this. Clumping them all together. I get a lot of background on this. Who's going to pay the cost? Are they going to have a vest? Are they going to have a badge? Are they going to have identification for clothing? Who's going to pay their gas? Who's going to pay their wages? Who's going to pay for their injuries or their insurance? Have you vetted these three people in your backup? There's no letter from them saying what their qualifications are. One of them was fired for tasing a prisoner that was already unconscious. And then he was rehired by another sheriff. One of them quit because of physical disabilities. How much did you do in research for all of these people that Ian Bain was He never spoke to the public. He never came out and had a meeting with the public. I would rather see the money not stolen from the town of Pahrump to furnish all of this. I would rather see deputies for Knight County continued and they be in our budget. They should be budgeted already. for positions that were already budgeted for them to be there, whether they're there or not. We don't need another layer of police. We don't need a police department in the town of Pahrump. I don't know how many people are against this, but I'm absolutely against the way that you're clumping them all together. Vote no for all of it. Thank you. Come on down.
Beth, yes.
Beth Borusevich. I don't know how many people are for this, but I'm going to tell you I am. I am fully for this. And the reason is, is because once the town reaches 100,000 people, we have to incorporate. There's no way around it. It's a lie. If it's a lie, I'd like somebody to prove me wrong. But the thing is, is when we do incorporate 10 years, 20 years down the road, would people not like to have a police department that is trained knows the town, knows the people, knows the procedure, instead of having some mayor come in and say, oh, here, let's bring in this new police department. And we're all sitting here going, oh, crap, what are they going to be hitting us up on? They're going to be giving us tickets right away. I am not for a new Police department then I think we should do it now. I think everybody needs to look to the future This is not right now that we're doing this It's going to probably take some time but this has got to be the future because we will be incorporated not that I want to in 10 or 20 years and if we get 100,000 people. Wanted to know where the money's coming from? It's coming from the town of Pahrump. You cannot take town of Pahrump money, this is to Amy, to tell her and put it in Nye County. That is against the law. You can't do that. That's where all the payments are gonna come from. The LATC is gonna pay for the first year. And from what I understand, The recommendation was LATC to use it for one year. Then when the next commissioners come in, get comfortable, then they can decide whether to disband this or not. It's kind of like a let's go ahead and test it. And was I wrong about taking money from the town and giving it to the county?
Thanks, Beth. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioner. It's Michael David Garcia, GARCIA. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate the interference. That may be a little constructive, but good to see nevertheless. Anyhow, I surely hope you don't deprive me of my First Amendment right to speak on this agenda item. It specifically says in the text, administrative policies, and you're going to test the constitutionality of it. Once again, the Chevron deficit was reversed in 2023. Y'all need to get a grip on yourself. We already have a policy department that runs around as a sheriff. This is way out of control. Y'all are playing three-card Monty when it comes to responsibility and accountability. That sheriff's department should be closed. We have no credibility in the courts with the DA, with our commissioners. All they do is sit there and run around. We had a county manager talking behind a speaker at the podium for three minutes. Talk about the quorum. You're going to deprive me of that comment? Okay. This has nothing to do with it again.
Come on down.
I had this, Renee Jones, J-O-N-E-S. I had this down to three minutes, so I might jump around a little bit. But I volunteer in town for drug, alcohol, and mental health. But what a lot of people don't know is I also am a volunteer for Nye County Sheriff's Office Auxiliary Unit. And the Auxiliary Unit is a volunteer resource that the Sheriff's Office relies on every day. Auxiliary volunteers assist with motor vehicle accidents, special events, traffic control, extra patrol. By handling these responsibilities, they help ensure that the actual sworn post-certified deputies remain available for emergency and priority calls. We provide hundreds of hours of free services monthly. Let's provide presence with passion for our community over presence for profit. Crime does not operate on a three day a week schedule. There's not going to be any crime on the other four days they're not here. Before we add another layer of government, why don't we expand and utilize what we already have? I know you say it's not going to cost the taxpayers any money, but the only thing that is true is auxiliary is free. And on June 26th, I was doing extra patrol at Patrick Park, and Mr. Bain showed up there. Because there was a fight. I called deputies. They came right in. We're on oversight, basically. We're the eyes and ears for the deputies for free. I called it in within a minute and 30 seconds. They came. Mr. Bain showed up. And everything was taken care of with the fight. But I don't understand why we don't use what we have already. And if these guys are already retired, I don't know who they are. Why don't they come and volunteer like all of us do? Give back to the community. We do it daily. Let's do that. I'm opposing it.
Thank you. Sam, anyone on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello. Board, Bruce Johnson, JOHN, SON, and I'm against incorporation. Strictly. We're not even close to ready for it. And I yield.
That was definitely not on subject.
Come on down, sir.
William Grubel, G-R-U-B-E-L. This is a bad idea on so many levels. In the interest of two minutes only, I'll try to clip a couple of them. First of all, while statutorily allowed to appoint police officers by the board, they are limited to $225 a month for the officer that is in statute and it states not to exceed So you have no authority to pay them more than that. A three-shift week, by the time you deduct payroll taxes, income tax, all the other things that come out, that works out to about a buck an hour or a little less. Good luck hiring somebody with that. Second big point is, statutorily, the only provision that allows for the funding of this is 269.240, and it provides for a tax levy on the town of one half of 1% on property values inside the unincorporated town. Zillow says we got about 21,000 homes in town, and the average price of those homes, the average assessed value is $373,000. Doing the math, that works out to about a $39 million tax grab on the residents of Pahrump. I can't stand that. My property taxes just went up $600 this year alone. I couldn't do another $1,500, $2,000 in taxes. Thirdly, That funding provision is only should the members of the unincorporated area petition the board to approve those officers, to appoint them, and to petition for the approval of the one half of 1%. It requires the majority of the property owners in the area.
CHRIS RODGERS.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yeah, my name is Matt Sadler, S-A-D-L-E-R.
I think this is a short-sighted agenda item. I do not believe this is in the best interest of our community. Adding an extra layer of police bureaucracy on top of an already ailing county level law enforcement organization I think is bad. Now, I'm not saying these funds come entirely separate with how our sheriff's office is funded. I get that. But the money is coming from somewhere. There are certain fixed and recurring costs with this measure that I believe are going to be financially untenable. And you're talking about three different officers on each working one day per week. What is that, 30 hours a week coverage? It's given us a false sense of security. What we need to do is we need to work on our budgets. That means NCSO has to tighten up its belt. Our county departments here and our agencies have to tighten up their belts. But ultimately, that's how you're going to find the solution is through what we already have. I'm not adding another layer of government. Thank you. And at 100,000 people, we do not have to incorporate. I wanted to clear that up. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on up, ma'am.
My name is Ruth Matthew, M-A-T-T-H-E-W. PRUMP needs effective law enforcement. It does not need a second unfinished police department that spends public money without providing full coverage. The Sheriff's Department already had seven vacant patrol positions. Recent investigations involving three personnels have added more strain. Overtime is covering shortages while the department is in a deficit. Filling vacancies more direct and likely less expensive than paying recurring overtime or creating a duplicate command structure. The NCLEA board and 73% of participating members oppose this proposal. Their letter says they support more law enforcement, but not a separate agency built around three part-time officers. They believe these resources could strengthen the sheriff's office using infrastructure already in place. The deputies expect to provide this department backup are warning that this plan will not work. Three part-time officers cannot cover a prompt 24-hour day. The sheriff remains responsible for off-hour calls, dispatch, backup, jail transportation, evidence, and major investigations. This department would depend on the same understaffed sheriff's office, not replace it. The financials contradict itself. The proposal lists $80,000 for salaries and $25,000 for startup expenses. The sponsor later admitted the actual total is close to $150,000. One full-time deputy is approximately $112,000. The claim that the department costs less than one deputy is not supported. The financial impact section is blank, with no complete cost for vehicles, fuel, radios, cameras, insurance, training, dispatch, technology, or liability. The grant is temporary, and according to the packet, cannot fund staffing. Future costs will likely fall on the town. No new taxes does not mean no public costs. When the grant ends, Pahrump will inherit the bill. Taxpayers should not fund routine corporate parking lot security without appropriate business contributions. You are being asked to create and staff the department before receiving an agreement with the sheriff, a covered schedule, operating policies, or five-year financial plan. Fill the sheriff vacancies. Oddly, over time, expand dedicated prompt sheriff patrols.
Thank you very much. Sam, do you have anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, sir. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Stacey Ann, ANNE. Commissioner Bain stated in his YouTube video these three retired officers would work roughly a day and a half a week and earn $25,000 to $30,000 a year. That potentially puts their hourly compensation at approximately $44 to $48 an hour, which might be above our full-time Nye County deputies. How is that justified? And if they're working only a day and a half a week, who provides coverage to the other 70% and 80% of the week? What happens to that already limited coverage when an officer spends hours transporting homeless people back to Las Vegas? Crime isn't a part-time job. Why create another law enforcement agency that doesn't even provide full-time coverage? If the concern's the park, a more cost-effective and long-term solution might be fencing and locking it at night. If the concern is shopping centers, Las Vegas businesses provide their own parking lot security, why shouldn't corrupt businesses do the same? And if county police are going to function as private security for corporations, why shouldn't those corporations foot the bill? Because regardless of where the funding comes from, whether we're told no new taxes, let's face it, it's still taxpayer money. I'm against it. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on up, Stephen.
Steven Pittman, PITMAN. These proposed officers must take and pass a post-refresher course. The proposed officers currently as retired Nye County officers may not double dip as they've been bought out, I believe. Proposed uniforms will not give the public a comfortable feeling that the personnel wearing them are legitimate peace officers. They'll probably be laughed at. An officer needs a proper uniform, long short-sleeve shorts, trousers, hat, footwear, cold-weather jacket, reflective Vest, rain gear, body ward camera, badge, name and service badges, radio, microphone, earpiece, duty belt, weapon and holster, spare mags and holsters, taser and holsters, baton and holsters, handcuff, level 3A body armor, first aid kit. Where are the vehicles coming from? A shared fire department vehicle, a 2008 diesel with 125,000 miles on it. There will have to be a separate PSAP. You know what a PSAP is? Public Service Answering Point. They can't share the one that the Sheriff's Department has, so new call takers, new dispatchers. They'll need a new FCC license for a designated radio frequency. FCC frequency management system dictates if the radio spectrum in this area is available for new licenses. The Sheriff's Department currently has five VHF and shares three UHF freaks and repeaters across Nye County. There are also many federal, utility, fire, military, school, district, and county radios all using a crowded spectrum. New handheld radios are now in the neighborhood of $6,000. A base station at the PSAP and associated tower and antenna will be upward of $30,000, plus construction costs, FCC antenna siting, and county fees. If the police are only part-time, who will tell the criminals in Pahrump that they may only commit crimes when these guys are on duty? Once the public learns the schedule of the police and deputies are relieved from patrol duties in Pahrump, Don't you think the rate of crime will increase? There will also be significant back office expenses, some of which may already exist. Human resources, payroll, legal equipment, maintenance. Thank you, sir. That's item 12. Can I speak now on 14? No. No.
Nice try.
Good try. Well, you lumped three together. Shouldn't we get six minutes?
No. Is there anyone on the phone?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
John O'Brien, apostrophe capital B-R-I-E-N. I'll basically state that Mr. Pittman was right on the point. Our county currently spends 87% of its tax collected on wages and benefits. I think better utilization of our services our employees is the answer to the question. You're creating too many loopholes, too many unfunded mandates. And I'm going to basically state that when we sit here and we talk about unfunded mandates for the public, that is where we create a law where we don't have funding to substantiate it. Mr. Pittman clearly brought out a lot of the issues. And again, also these three individuals retired from the Sheriff's Department, thank you for their service. However, I believe there's a time period until they reach 20 years where their services can't be brought back because of agreements of buyout. My point is this, let's do with what we have, do better with what we have. We don't need this additional level of government for the town of Crump. Thank you.
Thank you. Go ahead, Tim. Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. A lot of interesting points going on. A couple other thoughts here. One, I was surprised that we had people's names on here, and this hasn't been approved yet. How can you be doing that? That's one. From a budget standpoint, here's a few concerns I've got. I've got the sheriff has asked for monies many different times since April. I've got additional monies being asked for patrolling in a different way. It's all a theme here. I'm concerned with that. It tells me that we have budgeting issues that go beyond the master budget. I'm concerned with that. I want to make sure that, you know, okay, department heads, are you cutting? No, let's ask for more money. I have a problem with that, especially when we're down and we're less than what? We're absolutely less than 5% on the bottom line. That would be $2.5 million roughly, rounded. We're less than 10% on the bottom line, and we really need to be about 20% to help pay back the pension benefits that were underwater on the balance sheet. So we have work to do. This is not the discipline I've been talking about. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Anthony.
Anthony Greco, G-R-E-C-O. I'm dead against this. This is homeless police, we should call it. Ian's a nice guy, but he's got a problem with homeless people. I mean, I don't like them wandering around the neighborhood either, but... Why don't we try to fix that? Instead of getting more police so we can lock them up and then we have more problems in the sheriff's department to keep them in jail. Okay? We need to get the 501c3s and the churches involved in helping the homeless. That's what they do best.
Thank you. Come on down, Deborah.
Deborah Thomas, T-H-O-M-A-S. I think that what we're seeing at some of our parks is part of it is unruly teenagers, and part of it is homeless people. And you have to handle them two different ways. There is a group of churches in town that try to help the homeless, and I would like to get involved in that at some point. But we also have the teenagers, and we need to develop something that the teenagers can do. And instead of fighting and shooting each other and stuff, So we need to think, we need to kind of scrap this idea because I don't think it's going to work in the first place because we don't have enough money to hire police officers for enough time to be able to do that, to be able to keep everything peaceful keep the homeless where they need to be, and we need to really, I used to be a member of the homeless consortium in Yuba and Sutter counties, and we worked together and really helped the homeless. I actually, when I was doing loans, got three families into their own home, and they were just so over the top tickled. I think if we take a different angle, that might be the way to go. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, do we have anybody on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on up, Linda. Linda Clark, C-L-A-R-K. I got it all this time. We don't need a police department. Why do we want a complement? Complement. I can't even talk now. complicate our lives here any more than it already is. And I'm beginning to think, and I've thought this for several months now, is there a conspiracy here in this town against our sheriff's department? It sure seems like it. He gets nothing but bad mouthing, turned down stuff, can't help him. And why? And then it gets all this bad publicity and people that want to run against him that maybe shouldn't. So I don't understand why we're picking on the sheriff. We don't need a police department. He's got a big job and he doesn't have enough help. And look at the size of this county. And we don't help him at all. It doesn't make any sense at all. But we definitely don't need a police department. It's just too complicated. And I don't think you're going to find a lot of respect because around our country we see the police department doesn't have any respect. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Terry.
Tammy Pittman, PITMAN. So it's divide and conquer time. I'm doing 15 and 14. So for item 14, what benefits are part-time employees receiving? There will only be one vehicle? If the officers must return to base to swap out the vehicle, why is there a need for individual cell phones and radios? Are the quoted salaries and wages fully wrapped, including taxes and other deductions?
$100 for a hat?
Fuel for only four days? What happens to the other three? Adam 15, why are these people selected? What are their current qualifications? We're being given nothing. Like somebody was saying, they're already retirees and double dipping is prohibited. So I think even considering them as cart before the horse, which just seems to be a theme today. Thank you.
Thank you. Sam, anyone on the phone, please?
No, Chair.
Come on up, sir.
Thank you. John Tolle, T-O-L-L-E. I am the president of the Nye County Law Enforcement Association. And as representing the deputies in this county, we oppose this. The majority of my deputies voted and oppose this. I understand there's crime in Pahrump. Yesterday, I assisted on an attempted murder investigation, suspects in custody. On that same shift, I assisted a deputy who received actionable information of a burglary at a business. And at 11 o'clock last night, we served a search warrant and recovered stolen property, suspects in custody. Yes, we know there's crime. We are a reactive police force. So let the public hear me. I am sorry that we are a reactive law enforcement agency. We don't want to be. Okay, we're not proud of that. We want to be a proactive law enforcement agency. We don't have the support. We don't have the personnel. We need these resources to be given to the sheriff's office so we can properly patrol into this town. So we oppose this idea. Work with us. Get us the resources that we need so we can keep this community safe. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Come on down, Angelina.
Angelina Jackson, J-A-C-K-S-O-N. my first issue is with the fact that the emphasis needed that mr bain has presented is that the emphasis for this would be on the parks and the um businesses it seems like that's the only focus and on his post on on facebook the comment section there is none There's no room to even ask a question or anything. Excuse me. I think the funds will be better used to maybe retrain some of the sheriff's department's deputies, as we could see from the previous incidents that we've had. I think it could be used there. And I don't understand why the sheriff would tell Mr. Bain that he'd need to hire at least 25 more deputies in order to patrol the parks. That should be done as a regular basis regardless It's part of the community instead of having four deputies parked at the same time for lunch at it at one location you know consider maybe Dispersing the time a little bit more appropriately I know there's times where they've been called and it's whether it's been you know emergency emergency or not and They don't go out. They don't go out for people to file a report. What about the time when the Sheriff's Department came to trespassers? They're not going to be going out to trespasser calls anymore. So again, definitely no police department. I think those resources should be allocated to the Sheriff's Department for retraining and maybe giving them some redirection.
Thank you. Thank you. Sam, anyone on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hi, my name is Carrie Jo Hook, H-O-O-K, a resident of Pahrump District 4, and I am here to request a strict no vote on item 12. The Nye County Law Enforcement Association itself stands firmly against this as well. Citizen safety must be funded before outrageous, administrative bloat right now government spending is actively killing public safety because payroll and benefits follow up and understand unsustainable 87 percent of our entire income revenue our overspending is why we as a county are both busted and disgusted in a town that is significantly neglected in services from what i hear our county and town services budget have already been slashed by over 30%. It's a real poor reason we aren't funding our already actual existing Nye County Sheriff's Office. Let's stop pretending Trump is a war zone to justify a new department. We are a town approaching 50,000 residents. From my AI search, we maintain a relatively low crime rate for our size, averaging fewer than five homicides a year, as heartbreaking as that is, with a vast majority of calls being simple property and domestic disputes. Taking on more debt make zero common sense. Do not fall to the statement that this will increase taxes. A one-year grant is a financial trap. In two years, when a grant expires, the permanent debt defaults straight onto the backs of corrupt taxpayers. The ordinance specifically states it will begin with three part-time officers. This is a structural Trojan horse. It leaves the door wide open to grow into a multimillion-dollar bureaucratic machine which will bleed our community's tax base dry for years to come. Stop funding other agendas before actual public safety. Cut the excess out of the 87% payroll and use those exact savings to put permanent full-time sheriff deputies on our streets today. Do not saddle corrupt with a permanent tax trap. Vote no on Bill 2026-03. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Nancy.
Well, I'm against this. I know that the sheriff has come...
I'm sorry, Nancy, can you spell it for the record?
Y-A-N-D-A.
Thank you.
I know the sheriff has come and asked for extra sheriff, and you say, no, we don't have the money. And yet you want to find money to hire a separate police department? That's just... downright acid dying It seems stupid that you don't want to in add extra money to the sheriff that he needs extra sheriff's Officers to make our town a little safer and you want to try and hire three Police department people we have sheriff not police officers and So come on, get yourself in the right mind, give them the money they need so they can hire extra sheriffs, and we'll get over this.
Sam, anybody on the phone, please? No, Chair. Come on down, sir.
Rick Ewing, E-W-I-N-G. I'm opposed to this. I don't think we need another layer of government here. We need to control the government we have, fund the government we have, support the government we have. I don't think this has been thought out properly long term. I'm concerned about it, so I'm opposed to it. Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Ouch.
Anybody on the phone, please, Sam?
No, Chair.
Okay, come on up, Julia.
Good evening, Julia Musall, M-U-S-A-L-L. And I am very against this. We have a sheriff's department, and our deputies should not be penalized for, dear God, the leadership that is being exposed. So if we can find money for other people, we have rainy day money. And somehow it's called creative accounting. And you can find the money. Please let the sheriff's office do their job. They've lost many officers or deputies lately. That doesn't help. But I was told that code and compliance should be monitoring the parks. So that's something you may want to look into. Well, you may want to look into it because I had somebody tell me that and I believe them. And then also businesses should be having their own security. And three of the the three that they want to hire as police, we just paid them out to retire. And now we want to turn around and hire them again. So anyway, two of them, Oh, hell no, I would not. And what somebody said earlier, oh yeah, one of those was fired, and then the next sheriff rehired him. So, you know, and there's other issues. And then the funding, apparently it wants to come from the town, if I'm correct, okay. And I know that there's an issue with...
Thank you.
I know. Sorry. Come on out, Ski.
Good evening. Ski Senske, C-E-N-S-K-E. I'm going to try to get through this real quick because I've got three things to bring up. First off, there ain't enough money in the world to get me to have your job. Lay a million dollars down, I'll pass up. Anyway, I've been here 25 years. You know, I've seen the good, the bad, the ugly. As far as the homeless people, we've gone leaps and bounds in improving this. One thing I did learn real quick is the homeless people and the tweakers have incredible internal communication systems. It took me six months to finally get all of them out of my tree house on Basin Street. It's a gigantic salt cedar tree. I found out they had little mini apartments in there and this and that. But once the word gets out that they're not playing with you anymore, get your ass, oops, get out of there or you're going to go to jail. So back to the police department thing. You know, the concern I have is a while back we used to have part-time deputies. They would come. There's a lot of law enforcement that live in Peron. And maybe that's something to think about. Advertise it. And if you've got a metro police officer that wants some part-time work, there you go. The concern I have would be for the safety of those three people. What happens? A couple just out of a thousand scenarios. One of these new policemen are there by themselves. They have altercation. They run four people. Three of them come back with felony extradite warrants out of Vegas. Does the town police department transport them to Vegas? That would take three cars and three deputies. But, you know, I understand the concept and the problem. But I think if we took that same amount of money and gave it to the sheriff's department, let them hire... part-time, off-duty law enforcement that are fully post-certified.
Thank you. Thank you, Ski.
They're still in their tree, by the way. You might want to check your tree. They're there. They're back. You might want to check your tree. They have a little section in the front. It's all packed in.
Charge them rent, Ski.
Sorry. If I get my police, we'll send them down.
There's no comment on the phone.
Come on down, Leah.
Leah Aldridge, A-L-D-R-I-D-G-E. You know, it breaks my heart that we're at this point, that we have a sitting commissioner who's so frustrated with the Sheriff's Department and the way it's operating now that he wants to start a whole new police department. How did we get to this point? How did we get to this point? We have failures in leadership. We have failures in deputies. We have failures in what's going on at that jail. I hope to see some improvements when our sheriff came in. Because it seems like the environment down there not only puts up with the abuse of women, but celebrates it. When is the last time any of you guys have been down there to inspect a jail? Have you guys done that? I know, I think Frank did it years ago. Frank's not here. We need to start from there. I think before we build a new police department, we need to go back and address the problems we have now and try to rebuild. Let's start there. What do you guys think? I think that's a good idea. But it's just so sad that we have a sitting commissioner that wants to start a new police department because this one has failed. Let's do better.
Okay, Sam, do we have anybody else, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Herman Lewis, LEWIS. You know, I think Leah nailed it, and I want to compliment Commissioner Ian Bain because look at what he's had to go do to try to get some security and some reasonable protection at Petrick Park. Look what he had to do. He had to reach out to everybody with the best of intentions to try to fix this problem because the Knight County Sheriff's Department, I mean, I don't want to trash the Sheriff's Department because I've never had a problem with them. But when they don't even know their own fuel budget or they come in and they say, look, you know, we're making all this money taking custody from Esmeralda, but they don't even know what their expenses are. And
All right, anybody else, Sam, please?
Still on.
Oh, go ahead, Herm. You muted us.
Yeah, I just want to compliment Ian Bain, Commissioner Bain, too. I think Leah on her points, and I try to keep my comments as short as possible. Thank you.
Thank you. All right. We don't have anybody else, right?
Right.
We're going to close public comment. Commissioners.
Can I address? I did put a budget, a very comprehensive budget that didn't find its way in, so I don't know if that matters, if anyone wants to review this or not. If they do, my understanding is we have to take a break. I don't want to prolong anything so I can speak on it, but I have very comprehensive budget with radios that have been on hand, and a truck that's on hand, emergency vehicle on hand, and everything itemized out to the penny here, $102,000 budget. If you want it, we have to break. If not, I can speak, and I'm fine with speaking.
First.
I want to point out that this law that I'm offering for police is a law for unincorporated towns. So if we incorporate, we would lose this police department because the police are for unincorporated towns. And second, there are no new taxes for it. This will be funded by grant funds for the first year and never raise taxes. We will not set up a taxing district that is part of the law. That is not something being proposed. This police proposal will focus on parks and shopping areas, but we'll be able to respond to any other areas of crime. The purpose is to have a police presence in order to stop crime before it happens. This is called Cops on Dots. Our controller probably remembers this from New York City where she worked. That's where it started. and they did it in Chicago very well. This is what the Perunt police will do. The reason why you don't see a homeless tent or a shopping cart with trash in front of the wind is because they do the same thing there in Las Vegas. Not all the time, but enough to discourage crime. This is the kind of thing that a small police department can do. For $102,000 out of grant funds, we can fund the salaries of three police on the street for a single year. A single deputy is at least $130,000, $140,000 a year. Sheriff McGill told me that he would do overtime patrol at the parks as something comparable, but he warned me. If a call comes in and we need that deputy, they're leaving the park. That would completely defeat the purpose. The deputy would be constantly driving around responding to calls and not at the park. I asked one of his inner circle if they agreed with me, and they answered, probably. A politically active group of people who profit off of crime here in Pahrump oppose more police, and they oppose this police. I don't talk a lot about them. They don't like me, and I'm sorry. They promote a very careful defund the police agenda. Growing up in Massachusetts, I can spot a defund the police agenda when I see it, regardless of whether you call yourself a Republican or not. More police for some is bad for business. Just one of the reasons why Pahrump has such a bad crime problem and why some people don't care about crime, and the opposition to this is unconvincing. I don't have children. I'm unable to have children, and the truth is I would never ever go to the park, ever, if I weren't elected. I don't fight for safety in our parks for personal reasons. I do it because a father should be able to go and throw a ball back and forth with his kid without having to worry about someone pulling their pants down or stepping on broken Bud Light bottles or seeing someone smoke crack. All three of I see regularly in that park. And we have a whole generation of kids squinting, looking at phones. And if they manage to get down to the park, they're faced with a crime scene. And why I find this important and some other elected officials do not makes no sense to me, none. And I cannot for the life of me understand why the people of Pahrump should care about what kind of patch the person is wearing on their arm when they respond to a crime. Sheriff patch or police patch shouldn't matter, but that is what Sheriff McGill will tell you. That is what Sheriff McGill told the police union, and that is why he wants to block three police officers from coming on the street because they aren't wearing the right patch on their arm. Think about that. He wants everyone wearing his patch, but the parent police can make $102,000 a year work and our sheriff cannot. He's already admitted it. The union admitted it. The undersheriff admitted it. They all admitted it. Nothing will change for $102,000. Not a single deputy has told me it would. even if this somehow finds its way into them, but we can't give it to them because we can't give this money to salaries. I don't know if they understand that. I've said it dozens of times and they still come up and say, we can use the money. No, you can't. I don't know if we need to get a tutor to tell the sheriff what he can and can't use money for. I'm starting to think maybe we do need to do that and maybe we can budget that if this fails. And anyone thinking of entering politics, this is a real hard lesson. You have to take a position against people you like when it's the right thing to do. I like Corey Fowles. I like John Toll. And they both oppose this. And I don't get enjoyment out of doing that. Opposing them on things. But you have to do the right thing. And I know there are deputies out there working very hard to clear up these crime scenes. And they're doing it. And I don't want anyone thinking I'm saying they aren't working. I see it. I drove around the other day and I saw a lot of cleared camps. They are doing it. They're doing a good job. And they're working hard. They have old equipment. And they have inferior equipment. And sometimes expired vests and helmets. And we're working to fix that. Corrupt police is not a judgment of deputies. It just addresses a problem deputies cannot because they have to respond to calls. I was trained as a combat soldier, and even though I was never deployed, I would care less if the soldier fighting next to me was in my division or not. And that is what this disagreement's over with the sheriff. Perum Valley Times wrote this in July 2024. A family member of a woman who was stabbed to death at Patrick Park on June 19th says she was well acquainted with several homeless individuals who frequented there. One year later, someone was murdered in another Perum Park, Ian Deutsch, at the Movies in the Park event. There was a fight. Deputies left, probably to respond to a call, and then someone was killed. Last August, Perum Valley Times reported two separate knife-involved attacks days apart at Patrick Park. Two stabbings, days apart. Patrick Park and just months ago a dead body was found at Albertsons laying in a pool of blood More recently someone was stabbed to the machete a news now reported a location known to be a haven for homeless and criminal activity There's a constant flow of people who walk into the Dairy Queen from Patrick Park to harass the young staff there a cashier at Albertsons had a black eye lieutenant cleanser called me up and said you need to talk to that cashiers get a black eye a homeless guy punched her in the face and There's much more that I don't know about I And then there was a homeless man arrested in Patrick Park for young people, luring them into sexual relations. I won't use his words, and I made it pretty public as what I can in exchange for Bud Light. That's the currency in Patrick Park. I have the report here if you want to read it. If you don't want to, I don't blame you. And there's much more about this situation. I could tell you that you would be shocked, and I won't. But let me put it this way.
It's a death sentence if this guy gets his kid for Bud Light.
Once I was sitting in my county car across actually at the Mack property, homeless guy threw rocks at my county car. It was there about five minutes. He told me I wasn't supposed to be there. That's the attitude of what we have here. Just a few weeks ago, I pulled up in my car, and again, I'm there two, three minutes. I do one round. I pick up shopping carts, and I leave. I don't sit there in the park. I drive in. Anybody, probably anybody who saw me, I drive. I do one round. I leave. I saw a man pull his pants down and start peeing in the direction of a female town employee. I took a picture of him with his pants down. I put it everywhere. You can't see anything, thankfully. I have it here on my phone if you want to see it. When I asked one of our employees about it, who was tending to the park, she said, oh, don't worry, it happens all the time. And when I go to Patrick Park, I'm there five minutes at a time, I see a crime every time I'm there. Three days ago, the Albertson store manager found someone, I'm gonna do my best not to sound vulgar, someone lying on the ground in front of the store with his pants down, exposing his private parts, inappropriately touching himself and staring at people walking by with no pants on, no underwear. He was apparently already trespassed from Albertsons, but since we didn't have enough deputies, we didn't remove him before this happened. They were on calls and not patrolling shopping areas because they can't. They can't do it. Not for $102,000, they can't. I have a video of a different man doing the same thing. Someone said, oh, I think they got that guy that I had the video of. I sent it to somebody a couple months ago, a deputy I know. He sent me a text back, yeah, that's not good. Standing there staring at traffic, doing things to himself on Basin. Just standing there. I'm sitting there in my county car, feet away, probably where the chief is from. I'm just sitting there. He has the nerve. I'm sitting there in a county car. He doesn't know what it is. Apparently he does, probably. They all know who I am down there.
And he's doing that.
Every day I go to Petrick Park, I see a crime scene, stolen shopping carts, drugs, garbage, bottles, cans of beer. I'm told there's needles left on the field. And if you get in your car right now and go there, I will guarantee a crime scene. And we all sit around and talk about how dangerous police would be to Nye County law enforcement bureaucracy. Crimes are going on right now. And we're all in this room sitting around talking to each other. And while we talk about how harmful it is to put people on the street with the wrong patch on their arm, park property will be destroyed, just like yesterday. They tore the thing off. No one was there to stop them. Who knows what else is going on there because people don't go there. People have fled, criminals have moved in, and we're all in a room arguing about putting three former lieutenants with more experience than either of them on the street. We're all sitting in a room worried about how complicated a police would be or somehow take resources away from deputies even though it isn't true. If it's that complicated, maybe you've chosen the wrong career path. It's not complicated. When I sent a response to my concerns that Sheriff McGill had, I was told that he is not interested in hearing them. So I can't answer things that people don't want to hear. People sometimes don't want to hear my answers. They're not comfortable, I understand. Last week, one of our park-dwelling beer drinkers stole a town of Pahrump truck. I bet you didn't know that. Days ago, found in Las Vegas, homeless people at Park Patrick Park who stole the truck were arrested in Las Vegas because we didn't have the police presence to respond in time. Our people were on calls and not patrolling the park. Even without the police force every single day in Patrick Park will continue to be a crime scene. And some of you old enough to remember the movie Robocop. Do you remember that movie where criminals were bold enough to do just about anything because they know there are not enough police? You remember that? This is what we're living. No money for more deputies. Cheap alternative is being blocked and attacked because they're wearing the wrong patch on their arm. I want to read three emails very quickly. I'm going to try my best. These are three first emails I got about this. This is from someone. They all told me I could read them. I'm not going to say their names. They are in the addendum if someone puts them in. Yesterday, Tuesday, August 25th, my wife and I were just out and about, got some ice cream and decided to find a shady spot at Petrick Park to enjoy. We found a spot, some shady by the ball diamond parked with the intention of enjoying the breeze, and then walking around the park. No way in hell would I walk in that park with my wife just because of the sketchy folks that hang out there. Drunks, rowdy adults, young adults, the tweeter running around taking photos of us in our Jeep. Kind of a scary place. Granted, parks are for everyone to enjoy, but we couldn't even enjoy it from the safety of our vehicle. I think you get the right idea to make our parks safe and enjoyable. I'm hoping you can get this back up you need. Me too, thank you. Here's another one. Same guy, actually. He wrote back. I said, do you mind if I share? He said, I have no problems with that. I'm sure a question will come up. Why does this guy want to go for a walk in the park? I'm five weeks post-op from a major cardiac procedure. That particular park could be very enjoyable while helping me rehabilitate. I think me and Corey saw him down there, actually. He couldn't go in the park. He was on the side. He was scared of getting stabbed or seeing someone pull their pants down or something. Here's the second one. First of all, I'd like to say thank you. Cleaning up the park would be great. My daughter cannot take my granddaughter there because of all the homeless people, and my younger daughter works across the street, and the homeless are starting to harass them when they get off of work in the dark. Do you believe the business owner called the police department and asked them to drive by and check on the businesses close by at night, and they said that they are not staffed for that? My daughter is 18, gets off work at 6.30 at night, and has to walk to the car by herself across the street from the park. It's very scary. Help.
There's the last one.
I work at the car wash right behind the Dairy Queen. Over the last weekend, two of our vacuums completely destroyed, 1600 bucks each. I like your police idea. They're always destroying everything. Not only will the police possibly pay for itself by stopping destruction of government property, but we can use them for security events, movies in the park, special events, rodeos. Even if this police department only handles policing for these things, they very well might come close to paying for themselves. Auxiliary can't patrol, they can't arrest. I've been told by sheriff, no. So I don't know what kind of arrangement someone has, but Sheriff told me no. He tends to tell one person one thing and me another thing and then someone else another thing and tells me something different than what he first told me. I've had six conversations with that man and six different outcomes. So I don't know what to even think anymore. But he told me no because they aren't peace officers. I consulted with our finance director, DA, county management. Brad Adams handles 911 and technical tools for policing, and he says we have things on hand to allow police for technical needs, truck, no cost, lights and sirens, outfitted radios. I will write the arrest and citation forms myself if I have to. It's not that complicated. I'll work with the DA. I'll call POST and figure out their rules. If I can figure out Fannie Mae rules, I can figure out POST rules. Trust me, they're not that complicated. All the funding I have is in the spreadsheet if anyone wants to see it. It's all to the penny. Salaries are $102,000. We do not pay benefits. There are no benefits because they can't get benefits because they're retired. That's how that works. And I'm sure that there are a few attorneys here in the room who know a lot about that particular law, and they're confused. Let me just unconfuse them. They can work up to a certain salary, and that's what we have done.
And the hourly rate is not as high as what deputies make, by the way.
I would really be honored to stand with these four other commissioners, I really would, with the initiation of the very first historic Pahrump Police Department in history should this pass. It really would be an amazing thing to do with $102,000 of free grant money. I'm sorry they're not wearing the same patch, I really am. I wish they could. And we'll have to buy a patch for a couple of cents. But we could have a Pahrump Police Department for a year and go from there. We could show our constituents we actually care about stopping crime. I don't think they think we care. At the appropriate time, I'll make a motion. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Commissioner Jabbour. I can tell you have something to say.
No, I was going to ask for a comfort break, but.
I couldn't wait, sorry.
But these folks have been so patient today. I want you to know that I like Ian Bain. I like a lot of what he's done. But I'm going to come in with a different twist, respectfully. I want you to know that I, as the commissioner for the last five years, five and a half years, With former Commissioner Frank Carboni, we did together the jail inspections. And after Frank was no longer commissioner, I continued, resumed as the commissioner to do the jail inspections, both here in Pahrump and in Tonopah. So we do do them. And was there anything wrong in doing the inspection? Did I see anything wrong? Things get better and better every time. And I speak to the inmates with an entourage with me. And they ask me, who do you want to speak to? We have DUI inmates. We have theft inmates, misdemeanor inmates. We have alleged murderers. in a special pod, and that's who I go and speak to. And I ask them, do you have access to the law library? Do you have access to this? Is everything copasetic? Are you okay in here? Everything good? And the answer is yes. If it wasn't, it would go in my report and we would fix it. if we had to. But let me focus, please, and I wanted to answer that because this all ties in together. The proposed officers, police officers, and we'll distinguish between the two, police officers and deputy sheriffs. The proposed officers will have limited jurisdiction if this passes. These officers will need to call 911. They'll have to call Nye County Sheriff's Office. They may have a direct line to other deputies, et cetera. And at any time during a stop in the park, who's going to do the investigation? The one deputy or the one police officer? The part-time police officer? And if they're going to be arrested, where are they going to go? They're going to go to the county jail. Who's going to pay for them at the county jail? Do we take the police officer away from the park? Do we turn him over or her over to the deputy sheriff to take them to and be processed to the jail? There are so many questions. Where are the official vehicles coming from? Where is their office? Do they have an office? Where are they going to do their reports? Do they have a computer? One computer that's used by all three? Cell phones, radios, et cetera. Do they turn them over? We have, and not to be redundant, these are all bullet points that I have concerns with because it's real and we live with it and we have to figure these things out. And some of you have mentioned these things and brought them up, and rightfully so. One part-time, one shift per week per officer. In a perfect world, we'll be able to clear the park up almost immediately. And I'm being sarcastic. Uniforms and equipment. The only park that was mentioned was Patrick Park and the shopping center areas. This came before us last year to hire a private security company to patrol the park, park, and the shopping area, Albertsons, Walmart, Smith's, Home Depot. No, that's their responsibility. Walmart used to have it. I haven't seen security in years at Walmart or any other facility. So that's not our responsibility. It's their responsibility. Our responsibility, yes, are the public areas. Absolutely. Absolutely. Quote, these are not my words. This is in writing. Oh, if you care to see it, I'll show it to you. It reads, Pahrump police would have jurisdiction over the town and sheriff would have jurisdiction over the county. Not with three proposed part-time officers. I don't know how anything's going to get accomplished with even the start of three part-time officers. And you're absolutely right, I can't remember who mentioned it. There are names already. This is not personal, but our process through HR is that a job posting comes available and it goes up for bid. People apply for the position. Whether they're in-house or out-house, sometimes it reads, I didn't mean out-house as in the term of out-house, right? But they apply appropriately. And so this is not personal against, because they're all good, all good, and they served this county very well. So it's nothing against them. It's the concept and the positions. Yes? It almost sounds to me that it's the start of incorporation. I'm not for incorporation. And I understand what the commissioner said was if we reach a certain amount of people, it dissolves. It dissolves. I can't support it the way any of the items, the way it's being proposed. When we have a competent sheriff's office as a whole, no, no, we do. We do. And yes, there are some flaws. There are some flaws, and those flaws are being addressed today. If your computer at home starts to fail, do you pick it up and throw it away and trash it? No. You call in professionals to see what can we do to fix this. So professionals have been called in to help fix some of the problems. Keep in mind, folks, that the NRS, and there are so many, it allows for two or more employees to unionize. We've heard from the president of the NCLEA, who is opposed to this, all of it. And so what union would they fall under if they were to unionize? Since the curfew, since the curfew approximately a year ago, there haven't been any stabbings. There hasn't been a shooting. There have been minor calls. There have been many calls. I would hold it up in the air and show it to you that I have it in writing. I have it in email form. Thank you very much. It was too much to print. I didn't want to waste the ink in the paper when I can say wholeheartedly that they have been minor infractions, fights, arguments, yes, some drugs, okay, some gang activity, and as soon as the law enforcement shows up, they have pretty much taken care of it. Yes, if they show up. But you know that you're on call, right? You're on notice. That we have to patrol all of the parks, not just Petrick Park, but that gets the most activity. Besides Ian Deutsch Park. Most activity with our children going there to play sports. It's where I took my daughter to play soccer. We don't want any problems in any of the parks. And I'm sorry, I'm going to close with this, is that Commissioner Bain did not coin this phrase. Tim Bohannon coined this phrase and said something that we really have to be careful about are all of the needles in the park. And I responded with, sir, you are absolutely right, but that's only to be expected when the park is surrounded by pine trees. I'm going to turn it back over to the chair.
May I respond, Mr. Chairman?
Do you want to hear Strickland first?
I'm sure she's against it because she put the thing in for the union. I just want to clear up a couple of things that are just incorrect. Lieutenant Klenzar worked about two days a week if he worked that much. And they were not there when he was working. I'm just telling you, they were not there when he was working. I went into a place that every president knows the business and he predicted almost to the day when Klenzar was gone. I said, when do you think it got worse? He said, about two weeks ago and that's exactly when Lieutenant Klenzar left and that was the last time the Nye County Sheriff's Office had somebody working in a patrol capacity and it was him. I would take Klenzar for one day a week and I'll bet you they will not be sitting in the park. Investigation all three lieutenants have been investigators. They can figure it out They would turn it over just like any of an FBI agent were in the park. He saw someone stabbed to death They can't take a homicide case. They turn it over I know the sheriff doesn't want to handle more crime and he doesn't want to report it because it looks bad for him I get it. I do I'm from Boston you get it remember Somerville four cars stolen two of them reported police lost the forms So I get it. We don't want to report crime. I'm fine with that. Sheriff doesn't want more crime. That's essentially what we're being told is they don't want to take the investigation because they don't want to deal with the crime. That doesn't mean the crime wasn't there. If a tree falls in the woods, yeah, and you don't hear it, it really falls just because you don't hear it. Maybe Sheriff McGill doesn't think so, but it does. It is going on, or that we admit it to ourselves or not. But if we walk around meetings and sit around and put law enforcement officers here... so upset they're gonna spend hours watching this proceeding and not stopping crime, then I guess there's no crime to report and there's nothing to worry about, right? Nothing to worry about. The jail DA said they can't deny us from using the jail vehicle. We have a vehicle. Offices, the town office put a computer in there, they can write it up, it's not a problem. Cell phone, that's in the budget that you didn't get. Radios, that's on hand. Zero cost. Why are the names there? Nobody reads laws. I wish we'd start reading laws. It's right in the law. You have to name them. That's the law. You got to read the law. If you don't read the law, you're not going to know the law. You got to read the law. Incorporation. It's not only not a step to incorporation, but literally, if we incorporate, they're gone. It's literally not a step to incorporation. How that can be seen... Again, there's a very strong defund the police movement going on in this town, and I heard just about every single thing that those people have said today as an objection.
So we're gonna have to figure out what we wanna be here, and if you wanna go to the park and get robbed, then I guess that's where we're going.
PSST funds very well could take out police. We don't know yet deputy sheriff's. They don't know that yet They're over there unknowing But if we start removing sheriff's guess what happens because of that contract and we pumped all those numbers up and brought him back Nobody understands PSST over at the sheriff's office sheriff McGill doesn't understand it But I'm telling you what happens when you had 20 more and you take them down. Guess what happens? You can't get him back You can't get them back. Your PSST, if you take five officers off, you're not getting them back because we don't have the money. We may have to have a constable here. Sheriff McGill doesn't want to talk about it. Head in the sand doesn't want to talk about it. When he was speaking to the 9-11 function, he goes, yeah, 9-11 happened. You know what I did? I went into the mountains and I hid for three weeks so it blew over. I thought about Patrick Park. That's what's going on with Patrick Park. We're hiding in the mountains hoping it blows over. It doesn't work that way. You don't have to be a criminologist to know it doesn't work that way. I go to this park every day, twice a day, and every time I go there, the same people are committing crimes, the same time, no one's there, no one cares, and they're there right now. They will, They can unionize whoever they want. They can go to whoever they want, SEIU, they can go to wherever. They can unionize with this man's union if they want. He said he'd be interested maybe, but it's gotta pass. But obviously, again, it's not wanted, it's fine. I don't know exactly what I'm gonna do, but I can't just do nothing about the crime in the park. I don't know what I'm gonna do right now. It's a very rare thing that I say, I don't know what I'm gonna do. But I know this is not working. And every time I talk to the sheriff, I get a different answer. And a, what do you want me to do about it? That's what I get. What do you want me to do about it? He said to me last time, hey, he's a guy peeing in the park. What do you want me to do about it? Maybe can you come down? And he shows up in a wrinkled t-shirt. And he stands there and goes, I gave him a ticket. I'm thinking, if I pulled my pants down in the park, I would have been arrested. What do you want to stop, madam?
Would you stop berating our sheriff?
We have a crime problem.
I get that, but don't berate our sheriff, please, and thank you.
I will berate who I want.
Okay.
I am going to ask for...
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am done.
I'm going to see if we have any hand raised from McGill, because he just texted and asked if he could speak. Sheriff McGill.
Sheriff is on the line. Good evening.
Thank you, Sheriff. Hold on one sec, Sheriff.
I'm sorry, say again, Sam?
Oh, sorry. My question is, Rene got up as a part of the auxiliary, said that they have an existing auxiliary who's willing to do this. Can you have more auxiliary people, or is there a limit? I mean, why wouldn't they patrol the park? More. I mean more. Could we get more if we need more? Sheriff, go ahead. Sorry.
We absolutely have, and everybody in the town knows that we have an auxiliary. Everybody in the town also knows that the auxiliary are not peace officers. They cannot confront someone who they believe is committing a crime. They are not armed. They are not trained. So I cannot ask them to go out there and confront an individual. However, they can and they do call into dispatch and call in for a unit to come down there and address whatever it is that they're watching. I went down there about three weeks ago, yeah, in my wrinkled T-shirt, Ian, because it was my day off, Ian. And I showed up there and took care of a call. And then a few days later, I went back there, and the same guy was there that was trespassed from before. And what did I do, Ian? I arrested him for trespassing. Ian, you're making all kinds of claims, and I don't care what you said yesterday, that you're going to make this a political item against me. Bring it on. This is the Ian Bain case. District 3 or whatever district number it is, police department, that's all it is. How are the District 3 police officers going to patrol Petrick Park if they're going to be going to movies in the park at Ian Deutsch? Well, they're not going to have any hours left in their work week. I want to say I have nothing against these three. Nothing against these three. And I have nothing against Commissioner Bain, to be honest, other than the fact that he puts up ideas with no support that he doesn't know anything about. Our law enforcement agency, our Knight County Sheriff's Office, is tasked beyond belief. Our deputies have been going more frequently to Petrick Park, And they have been doing more. But you know what Ian does is he takes pictures of the inside of that little building with the jail cell front door, which has been overrun with garbage for years. And he tries to claim that that's something new. That's nothing new. How about the park employees go in there and clean it out? How about the park employees don't leave their truck running in the back parking lot when they go inside of a building? Your truck wouldn't get stolen. That's the reason why it's illegal to leave a running car unattended. There are so many things that, okay, another thing that I heard yesterday that Commissioner Bain's ultimate goal is to incorporate and this is the beginning of it.
I have never said that. That is nonsense. I'm sorry. This is ridiculous. You'd shut off a speaker if they did that. I have never said I'm incorporated. His pro-crime friends want to spread rumors about me, and I'm tired of it. No, not if you lie about me. That's not right.
You'd shut that down. He has... Every right to respond. You just laid him out. He has every right to respond.
Okay. He made that up.
Sheriff Corey is standing here. Hey, that's what I was told. Huh?
You know what, Sheriff? Can you raise your right hand and can I swear you in to tell the truth and you tell me to who told you that? Would you answer that?
This circus needs to end.
Well, I'm just tired of being attacked by people.
If you've got a motion, bring it forward.
Well, I would just want to answer to two quick things that I've been attacked on. I only have political means to clean up this town. I have nothing else. I am desperate to clean up this town. I will embarrass myself. I will beg. I will look like a fool if I have to. But I want to clean up this town. And I don't think there's other people who necessarily feel that way. As far as putting up ideas I know nothing about, I've gotten four laws passed. I mean, it's really nice to be nasty like that, I get it. I know you're mad. But you don't have to be nasty and personal like that. I'm talking about actual reasons and things we can do, and he goes and attacks my character.
Can I respond to something, to a lie that was said about me? Yep, real, yep. I have never, ever said to anyone anything about it being the wrong patch. I've never used those words. So if he wants to rebut things that I said, I'm rebutting things that he said. And, you know, here's the thing. It could be a good solution someday in the future with the right plans, the right funding. But how about you, how about, We fund our sheriff's department. It's already been in existence and has been in existence since 1864. How about we give that money to the sheriff's office? How about we unfreeze some of the deputies that have been frozen or been done away with? How about we allow some of the PSSP purchases that have been proposed, approved, approved, and now denied? I am asking for money just like he's asking for money. I want nothing more than for a peaceful community where I live, and I have lived for 18 years, I want nothing more than to solve all crime. But we cannot be everywhere all the time. If I could station a deputy, if I had the manpower and the financing to station a deputy at Ian Deutsch Park or at Petrick Park, I would. But that means that somebody else's 911 call is waiting instead of being responded to. We have 55,000 people in Nye County, and I'm responsible for all 55,000 of them. And so are my deputies. And my deputies are being disrespected with the way that he is treating them and speaking about them. That is not true.
That is very troublesome.
All right. I really, I have never disrespected a deputy. This is getting nasty and personal.
Very nasty and personal.
Thank you, Chair. I wasn't going to speak on this item because the public and the NCLA president took the words out of my mouth. But since Commissioner Bain brought my name up, I thought I'd come up here and give my two cents. You and I have a great relationship, Ian, but I just don't appreciate the theatrics, and I don't think anybody else does. I never told you that something could or couldn't be done for $102,000. And the last person, the last person to patrol the parks wasn't Tom Klenzer, it was me, because you were in the truck with me. And we went down to Patrick Park, and I talked to the homeless people that were there, and I did consent searches, and I found one misdemeanor violation. There was a guy there, violation of your town ordinance, that had alcohol in his possession, and I wrote him a ticket. I didn't see any needles on the floor. I didn't see anybody smoking crack. Is there crime happening in Petrick Park? Yeah, I'm sure there is. There's crime happening in Indian Doge Park. There's crime happening all over the place. Crime is not absent. It's down. Violent crime is down over 9% in Nye County. Hate crime is down 20%. Crimes against the elderly are down 13%. Property crime is down 2%. Crime isn't absent. It's down. I don't have a crystal ball. This is a minority report. I can't tell you when and where the next stabbing is going to happen. It could happen anywhere. It happened on Ambler Street yesterday, and these cops, I sent two deputies out there, left three more on the streets, and sent a team of detectives out there to make an arrest. We're doing what we can with what we have.
May I just address, the patch thing, that is not something I think anyone said. I don't care. I was making a point about a different patch. That was not. And then what you said, what was the next thing you said when you came up here? I do want to address that. The last person to patrol? You were on the part. I think that you, I like you. You know that. I told you that. And you took me out, and you did that because you saw how frustrated I was, and you were the last guy to go in that I know of and arrest somebody out there at the Binion Ranch. He drove out on a Sunday for me and I appreciate that. We're just all really frustrated. I know you guys are frustrated. I'm scared to death you're gonna lose more positions and you don't know it because we're auditing these PSSTs. There's things going on that I am scared of. I am scared for the crime situation going on in this town and I don't know what to do. And if that means everyone running around acting crazy and we finally have a discussion about it, then that's what we do. I don't know what else to do. Doing nothing isn't doing it. Ignoring it isn't doing it. But I would never insinuate you don't do your job. I've called you, and you're always there. You always take the time to talk to me. And you know I come to you, too, and try to help as well.
I hope you know that, and I always will be there for you. I understand, and you've tried to help me, too, and you've helped me make some progress with equipment and stuff and things like that. But at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that I don't have a crystal ball, and the sheriff is right. We can't park somebody down at Petrick Park all the time. I just don't know what else to say. There are not needles. Might there have been a needle sometime on the ground at Petrick Park? Maybe. That's not what I've heard. I've never seen them before. The day that I was out there with you, it looked pretty clean. Yeah, there were some homeless people out there. doing what they do, and I went up and did consent searches on them. I talked to them, and I found a violation, and I wrote a ticket. And I can send deputies down there to do that when it's slow, and we do. And the auxiliary helps us do that. But we can only do what we have, what we can do with what we have. And I understand your frustration. I... I've been a policeman for 19 years. I signed up to put as big of a dent in crime as I can in this community, and I do it every day. And these cops go out and do it every day, and auxiliary does it every day. And I understand what you're getting at, but I think theatrics just get out of control sometimes, and the personal attacks are just uncalled for.
Uncalled for. Chair.
Let's move.
Chair, I haven't got to speak, and I would love to. Okay. I so agree with that comment of theatrics. I would like to point out that it would have been lovely if our commissioner would have chosen to speak to the sheriff, the under sheriff, or even the NCLEA. And so in not doing so, he has always maintained such a great relationship with these people. And I don't understand why that discussion wasn't had before we ever had this agenda item. And it's frustrating that we are being told and we know that our crime is down and we're doing a great job. We know these deputies, this sheriff is doing a great job or these numbers would not be down. Patrick Park, best thing that we ever did was bring in it being closed down at nighttime. It is working. Can we just please get back to figuring out how to get more money into the nighttime?
And that was because of Commissioner Bain. I know.
So he's done some great stuff.
Can I just answer to that again? I talked to these guys because I'm blue in the face about Park. You're acting like I didn't talk to anybody. I talked to John about 10 times before this day. I talked to Corey about 50 times about this.
They shouldn't be put in this position and you did this to them.
This is an adult job.
We've got to put our big boy pants on and figure out how to stop time.
I didn't say someone else could. I said that we can stick someone there. I tried to do security last year.
We didn't want it. How are we supposed to find? We don't want data centers.
I'm sorry.
Just like we did today with that development agreement.
We cannot go on with this item. All I wanted to do is just answer. I did talk to everybody. That's all I wanted to know.
Do you have a... We can't do that. We already did that. Can you make a motion, sir?
I mean, it's not an embarrassing thing. I don't have a problem embarrassing myself for the sake of the community, but I know there's not the support here. I mean, I'll make a motion for the sake of making a motion, but all that would do is just try to put people in bad light, and that's not what I'm here for. But I'll be honest with you. If I can't clean up that park, what am I doing here? I know there's music to some of the ears of people out there. I know it. I can hear it. But if we can't get rid of the crime in these parks and the crime in these shopping areas, what are we doing? We're sitting up here? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
So is there no motion? Is there a motion? Are we not doing a motion, or are we doing a motion? No? OK. Moving on, that item fails for no motion. What? Five minutes?
Yeah, five minutes.
All right. 13, please. Which one? 13?
13 is the last one.
Hey, guys. Tim Bohannon. Guys, we're starting up. Item 13, 10 AM timed item. What?
10 PM? How about 10 PM?
Yeah, 10 PM timed item for possible action. Public hearing, discussion, and deliberation to adopt, amend, and adopt or reject Town Appointment Bill number 2026-04, the bill adding Chapter 27, titled Governmental Use of Automated License Plate Reader Systems, by adding 27-1, titled Purpose and Findings, Section 27-2, titled Definitions, Section 27-3, titled Prohibition on Governmental Acquisition, installation, operation, access, and use of flock safety or other automated license plate reader systems within the town of Pahrump. Section 27-4, titled Exceptions and Emergency Mutual Aid Use. Section 27-5, titled Existing Systems, Data, and Agreements. Section 27-6, titled Enforcement and Remedies. in Section 27-7, Title Rules, and providing for the severability, constitutionality, and effective date thereof, and other matters properly relating thereto.
KEN HOWARD JR.: Thank you. Yeah. Sponsor. Mr. Bain.
Is the flock camera one, yeah? Is that with one? I mean, it's pretty self-evident. I mean, it's what it would do. I'll just make some technical points about what it is. After speaking with some, I think it was, I don't think it was the undersheriff. I think it was somebody else. There are these readers on cars that are mobile, so I exempted those. What this would ban are two things. Flawed cameras are automated license plate readers that are fixed or the usage of any county jurisdiction agency from using the data. there is an exception in the event that there's something that's an exigent circumstance, probably like overcoming a Fourth Amendment protection, something like that. It's actually not outlined in the law, and I prefer it vague like that so that in the event that it seems like there are more, we can do that, and I don't know where that would fall, but essentially, hopefully this doesn't go over people's heads, essentially what it does, it just bans the installation of fixed, anything that's fixed as far as a flock camera, which is a flock brand, or an automated license plate reader, I left Chicago because of the speed cameras. They had speed cameras and red light cameras. It was maddening because you drive and you see these flickered things all over the place. They'd run the speed limit down 25 miles an hour in neighborhoods where These people can run faster than the speed limit, and you're lucky to get out of there alive. So that's the reasoning behind this and why it's fixed. So it prevents red light cameras. It prevents speed cameras. On a side note, which is interesting, as a Republican, I thought we were all against red light cameras and speed cameras. but there was somebody who's a very high profile person, I won't say their name, very high profile in the last couple of months, and I was talking to that person somewhere in the public, and I knew the Clark County Republican people, and I was doing things for them, and Jesse Law over there, and the person says, oh yeah, that'd be a great idea, red light cameras. I'd love to see that in Nevada. And I was stunned. I actually didn't know what to say. So I'm just against these things. I just don't want to be spied on. I don't want there to be a database where we can just type in and figure out where everybody is. And that's why I put this together. And if there's any questions about the details of what it is, I'm happy to answer. It's only within the per-rump jurisdiction. So if it's put somewhere else, it's fine. If it's fixed as of right now, and that's only because in Tonopah, apparently they want data centers and flock cameras and all this other stuff. So I just exempted them from it as a courtesy because it's not my district. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Let's open public comment. Sam, do we have any...
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioner. Michael David Garcia, G-A-R-C-I-A. Well, I'd like to piggyback on the Fourth Amendment. You can hear me. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. More constructive interference. I love it. Anyhow, I'd like to point out that we can talk about the Fourth Amendment, just not the First Amendment. But anyhow, I think this would be a great... agenda item to get the Sheriff back on the line. Thank you all.
Come on down, sir. I can't remember names. Too late.
There you go. William Grubel, G-R-U-B-E-L. I'm opposed to this. Anything that restricts such a great law enforcement tool is a bad idea. In fact, we're concerned about why the Sheriff's Department can't do more with what they've got. We probably ought to be adding these cameras to Petrack Park and a few other places. It makes no sense to cut such a great crime-fighting tool. We do need administrative procedures to protect the information to lawful uses, but we do not need to get rid of these things.
Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. I'm 100% for this. We had these cameras years ago when I lived in Vegas for over 35 years. They weren't welcome then. Some hypocrites got them put in a little bit here and a little bit there and used them at red lights, you know, so They could catch people running the lights. Well, that was a problem. But here we are. So I am absolutely for banning anything that can put a person in a position to be judged guilty before he's proven guilty. Thank you. Come on up, please.
Hello, my name is Ruth Matthew, M-A-T-T-H-E-W. I ask not to adopt Bill 2604 as written. If this is intended to be a real ban, close its loopholes first. Section 27-1 promises to prohibit government ALPR use. Section 27-2 applies to only a fixed camera. Section 27-4D then exempts vehicle-mounted, handheld, and body-worn readers used during any investigatory powers. That bans cameras on poles but permits scanning from patrol vehicles. Any investigative powers is undefined, requires no suspected crime warrant, case number, identified target, supervision, visors, retention limit, or audit. Routine patrol and fishing expeditions could simply be called investigations. Subsection D also contradicts subsection E. D permits mobile ALPRs during any investigation. E says exceptions must be narrow and cannot authorize routine access, generalized sharing, unrelated historical searches, or ALPR operations in Perun. One permit used, the next appears to prohibit it. The ambiguity benefits the agency, not the residents. The sheriff's database access was was reportedly suspended pending an alleged misuse investigation. While residents have alleged harassment overreach, though not a final finding, this warns against other movement databases without independent oversight. Delete Section 27-4D. Exempt ordinary dash and body cameras only when they perform no automated plate identification, retention, transmission, comparison, or database curing. The court-ordered and immediate life-threatening emergency exceptions are sufficient. If an investigation exception remains, require specific documented criminal case based on articulable facts and an identified vehicle or person. Require case numbers, supervisor approval, short retention, tamper-resistant logs, independent audits, and public reporting. Ban general patrol scanning, phishing expedition, political or personal searches, and unrestricted sharing. Make enforcement mandatory. Shall, not may.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hi, Stacey Ann, NNE. I'm definitely for this, but I have some questions and maybe some things that wasn't really thought about. So if the intent is to protect residents from government surveillance and track-in, why are we regulating flock and ALPRs? instead of the actual capability to identify and track people or vehicles? What stops another vendor or technology from doing essentially the same thing? Why doesn't the bill address private surveillance networks? Can businesses, HOAs, or property owners collect this data? And can the county, state, or federal government access it through them? And why does Section 27-4 exempt mobile handheld body warns or other cameras of that kind?
Could the cameras still use AI facial recognition or vehicle identification?
And finally, where are the safeguards for the exception? Like who declares an emergency? Who authorizes access? What legal process is required and how is that access documented? If we're trying to close the door on government surveillance, shouldn't we regulate the capability and access to the data rather than leave the doors open for it.
CHAIR BAILET. Ma'am, can you spell your name for the record?
Yes. A-N-N-E. CHAIR BAILET. No, you're not. OK, thanks. Yeah, that's right. Sorry. MS. A-N-N-E. CHAIR BAILET. I got you. MS. Yep. CHAIR BAILET. Sorry about that. Come on down, sir.
All righty, Jason Weeks, WEEKS. I don't get up and speak very often, but here is my view of the flock cameras. I would accept Commissioner Bain's bill on an amended version. We should have flock cameras in high crime areas. Patrick Park. on 160 to catch speeders and any other places where crime is a problem, but they should be kept out of residential areas or other places where it could potentially invade people's privacy. So, thank you.
Thank you, sir. Sam, anybody on the phone, please? No, Chair. Come on down, Linda.
I hope this torture's almost over. Okay.
Linda Clark, CLARK. We don't need cameras, okay? And the reason for that, yeah, there's a lot of bad people out there, but we don't seem to catch them, do we? Anyway, with all this AI stuff and this data stuff coming, don't you think we're going to have enough spying on us? We don't need any more. And I want to nominate Ruth for one of the commissioner seats when they come up.
Come on down, Tim. Who's Ruth?
Hi, Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. For this item, I'd like to take us back to 1983, if I could. Michael Jackson, Rockwell. Who's watching? Tell me who's watching. Who's watching me? I'm just an average man with average life. I work 9 to 5. Hey, hell, I pay the price. All I want is to be left alone in my average home, But why do I always feel like I'm in the twilight zone? That was the opening lines. And that's the reception of the flock cameras. I'm a supporter of the Fourth Amendment. And I believe that we have to watch that and not trample on it. We have to watch our amendments. We have to watch the Constitution and be loyal to it. Does this impede that? It could. It really depends on where the data is going, who's managing the data. And being someone who does that on a daily basis, sometimes it can get in the wrong hands. And there's a lot of bad actors out there.
Thank you. Come on down, Nancy.
Nancy Yanda, Y-A-N-D-A. I'm in favor of having these in the areas where we have the high crime. That's where they should be, not around our neighborhood particularly, but especially catching speeders and catching people doing bad stuff in the park. Why not? If it catches them, if they drive off and we get their license, then you're going to catch them. Sooner or later, they'll get caught. I'm in favor of doing that.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Lisa Hemby, H-E-M-B-Y. I'm concerned about privacy, and I'm against the mass data these flock cameras would collect. such as timestamps and location, which could, which would create a searchable movement history. And I'm thinking about 15-minute cities. And I don't want to be in a jail, if you will, in my own vehicle, in my own town. And I'm concerned about mass surveillance. And I appreciate privacy.
Thank you. Thank you. Come on down, Leah.
Leah Aldridge, ALD RIDGE. I'm wholly opposed to flock cameras. I'm opposed to them selling my data to China, to Israel, to other third parties. I'm also opposed to, well, you know what? I remember the days when we had good old-fashioned police work where they actually went out and did their job rather than relying on cameras that just collect everything. We've had cameras for years that can get your license plates and all that kind of stuff, but that's a misnomer because they sell it as that, but that's not what it really is. And if you're for this, I think the very first thing we should do, we should put all these cameras at every county employee's house, everybody that works for the state, because I want to know where you go, what you do, and all that kind of good stuff. So, yeah, I don't want these things, because we already have cameras in place that can get your license plate, and we have had that for years. This is the, you know, the camel getting its nose under the tent, and it ties into data centers and mass surveillance. So I say no. Thank you.
Leah, you can find me at the fishing pond.
Anybody on the phone?
Sam, you got anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hi, my name is Terry Jo Hook, H-O-O-K. a resident of Pahrump District 4. I oppose blocked cameras and license plate readers. And this ordinance, I don't know why we need an ordinance for these types of eye surveillance. This technology is a direct violation of our basic constitutional rights, violating the U.S. and the Nevada Constitution. These cameras are an assault on our Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution and the Nevada Constitution's strict protections against warrantless government tracking. The U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled that continuous tracking of a citizen's movement requires a warrant. Sidestepping this is by using an out-of-state private company to build a dragnet is unconstitutional. This is a silver state, not a surveillance state. Proponents claim the surveillance tools are safe, but the record shows a very darker story. As our very own Nye County Sheriff's Office is under official investigation, internal audits reveal hundreds of unauthorized database inquiries targeting local media, online critics, and local political figures. The danger of temptation, when you build a surveillance apparatus, the temptation for corruption is too high. A recent national investigation found police officers charged or convicted of using these data to stalk and harass citizens. If we build a police state, how would you like being tracked every time you travel? Unlike the mobile phones you are able to actively opt out of, citizens cannot opt out of these cameras. They track us without our consent or knowledge. Worse, companies like Flock are actively integrating systems like track sensitive personal data, while other law enforcement programs push towards facial recognition, eye scans, and mobile device tracking. These automated systems are not infallible. They misidentify innocent people and create dangerous false positives. introducing mass county liability. We do not need an artificial corporate surveillance grid. We need a human solution. Fully fund the sheriff's department so we have a physical manpower training and resources to patrol our streets traditionally and legally.
Thank you very much, ma'am. Sam, do we have anybody else, please?
Yes, chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Carmen Lewis, L-E-W-I-S. I think the big problem is there's no accountability where the data goes, but. You know, when you look at Patrick park and English park, where we have a problem, maybe commissioner Bain can put together a plan. Where the, where the cameras could be put up there to help law enforcement where they're needed without invading people's privacy. But the old saying to give up your freedom for safety, you get neither.
is really in play here i think the big problem is no one trusts these things thank you thanks sir um sam do you have anybody else please no chair closing public comment chair can i ask to speak to the undershare yes he's like do i have to okay so when i look at flock cameras that's a manufacturer it's flock readers are automated license plate readers ALPR cameras made by Flock Safety that capture vehicle data to help law enforcement and community investigating crimes. So there was a lot of, I'm not sure the public understood that these are cameras to read license plates only. Is that correct?
So this is, I was going to speak on this, but I decided I was going to take my ball and go home for the night. But thank you. This is what I will say about these cameras. Back when I did police work for a living, I do miss it. Yes, license plate readers helped me find stolen cars, murderers, kidnappers, and rapists. I understand the public's concern about privacy, and it's a legitimate concern. I have the same concerns. I don't discredit that. What I support is thoughtful, common sense legislation that guarantees oversight, transparency, and accountability for the responsible use of this technology.
Okay, that being said, the commissioner has brought this item forward, and isn't that what this is doing? It's not enabling you to put it on just an intersection. It'll be on a car. It'll be on your body. It won't be anywhere.
They're really not on our body.
Well, you wouldn't do that to body cams, sorry. No, yeah.
That would be important. They don't. tie into the body cams. And even if they did, the body cam company would want a ton of money for that. So no, I'm not going down that rabbit hole. They're not going to be on our body. They've been on patrol cars in the past. They are on some patrol cars now, but we don't have a data. I can't log in and use them. The way this works is that for the stolen county truck, we tried to use this to find the stolen county truck. We didn't get a hit on it. The way it works is I have to send a request into, we use the fusion center in Las Vegas, right? We don't have the infrastructure for this. We also don't have a state-of-the-art crime lab, right? So when I want to send a blood sample for DNA analysis that doesn't happen in prompt I sent it to the crime lab in Las Vegas and they do the blood analysis and they say all this blood matches this this is the blood on the knife and that's your murderer right it's kind of the same thing with the these cameras if if and it's if it's justified and it's being used to find a violent offender I get in touch with the fusion center in Las Vegas I say do you have this fleeing felons license plate and anywhere at any time and then they will send it back and say it was here at this intersection at this time if they have it and that is it is no more complicated than that but this commissioner's brought not it's not bullshit leah i've been a cop for 19 years it's not bullshit
So the commissioner's brought this forward to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. Sure. What I'm reading here. Sure. Is that correct? This is not more intrusion. This is saying let's not intrude on. Let's have a rule that says you can't do any more than this.
Yeah. I mean, I briefly read the agenda item. I haven't looked at any of the backup. I don't.
Well, I'd be happy to discuss it with the commissioner. I was just curious if you had any more information.
That's the extent of what I've got. That's how it's used practically. But like I said, I share the public's concerns about privacy.
Being observed. Sure.
I mean, it's... And eventually... Sure, and eventually this is going to get to the courts and the Supreme Courts and they will rule on the... And they may very well be band you know I mean I don't know how the courts will rule on this once you know like an example is for years we had a an implied consent law and it said that if you were suspected of DUI and arrested for DUI I didn't need a warrant to get your blood I could just take your blood warrantlessly because of potential for destructive it went on for years finally 10 years ago the Supreme Court came down and said you can't do that anymore it's unconstitutional you have to get a warrant and so that's the way up right now and with these flock cameras that will probably be the case in the future when the courts finally rule on it. For now, what I've told you is that's how it operates. It's used only to track violent offenders, often as a last resort.
It doesn't work very well here.
Well, like I said, we don't have the infrastructure. Exactly. There is no, I can't sit down on my computer and log in to whatever flocked at it. And look, we don't have the program. We don't have the access. You know what I mean? It works like I mentioned earlier.
Thank you, Chair. Thank you. Thank you. I don't understand. I do.
Which part of it?
All of it. I'm not understanding.
So there's a couple of things I think is important. And I know I may never talk to Corey Fowles again, but I know he's a freedom-loving guy. I mean, I feel bad because we have the same stuff on our office walls. So I know he cares about freedom. And so it was important for me when I was writing this to not exclude certain things that they needed. I think that this turns on, in my mind, this turns on something, a very complicated Fourth Amendment exception, and that is, and I don't know if the DA remembers or if you use this or not, but there's a rule that says that law enforcement cannot use technology that's something like beyond what a normal access is. Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you remember that? It was like a law school thing, I don't remember. But basically, to me, it's like if a guy's driving in a squad car, like... like Commissioner Cunningham was saying, I can't see a license plate. To me, it doesn't really matter if they run the license because you're driving. So it's like you don't really have a reasonable, in my mind, and I wrote the law, so I guess that matters some. In my mind, if you're driving, you don't really have a reasonable expectation of privacy if there's a cop behind you. He could theoretically write the number down. And because of that, it's not an advanced thing to just go, okay, here are all the license plates around me. To me, that's why it's done that way. But when you have an ability to tap into a database, I'm told by somebody that we, the Lenslock system, they can do that. I don't know if it's true or not, but that they can actually do a search and say, well, where was John Koenig yesterday? Well, he went to Smith's, he went to here, he went to there. This would stop that, unless he just happens to be behind a squad car, a police patrol car. So does that answer the question about what it is? All it does is it prevents, and there's both two things, flock cameras, the brand, and automated license plate readers. The reason why I said body worn is this law could be, I could get shot on my way home, actually, especially after today, and if I'm gone 30 years from now, this law could still be on the books if it passes, right? So we wouldn't be there to fix it, but that law is gonna sit there on the, so in 30 years, would they be walking around with a body-worn camera? Maybe. And the intent, again, of this law was not to handcuff the law enforcement. It was just to say, we don't want to have a database where someone can type in and go, what was John Koenig doing yesterday? Oh, he was at Home Depot. What did he do there? We don't really want that database. And I think that our citizens don't really want that database. And I don't want to see red light cameras. And I don't want to see speed cameras. It's just a nightmare. If you ever go to Chicago, It may have destroyed that place. It's really, really a sad thing. It was a really nice city. They destroyed it with all these cameras flashing all over the place. And it looks like you don't know what's going on. So it does two things. One is it prevents the fixed license plate reader that would set up a database. And two, it would stop would stop us from using it to have that access to the database. As far as private, we can't stop private companies from doing it. I mean, we could try, but if the next board wants to come in and make it illegal for everybody, then we can talk about that. But this is just intended to stop the proliferation of these things that you're seeing all over the place, all over the country. Just don't want to see that here. And that's why I put it forward for no other reason. The only other concern, oh, yeah, if you put one in Patrick Park, everybody drives through there. I mean, it's right. And I don't know that you need to, I mean, a homeless person doesn't have a license plate on them, so it's not like you're going to get some homeless guy stabbing somebody, oh, he's license plate number one, two, three, four, five. And then most criminals around here, they just take their license plate off. So I don't know how really effective it is. You go to Boston, you're not going to see a car without a license plate because you're going to get pulled over within five minutes, I promise you. Try it. But around here, half the cars don't have license plates on them. So I don't know how really effective it is. All it does is gets those of us with license plates to be able to be searchable. And that's the intention, Elise. Does that answer your question or no? Do you still have questions about it?
I think we're still confused. We believe that you're proposing through this ordinance to prevent fixed cameras placed within any... Any right of way, public property, except with the exception of vehicles or body worn or anything that's mobile. So a deputy is allowed to have this camera as part of the access?
On the car. Honestly, if it moves, it's exempted. So if he wants to be on a bicycle with it, it's exempted. If he wants to walk around with his head, it's exempted. Motorcycle, it's exempted. If he wants to wave it around in the air, it's exempted.
It's a good thing because you're stopping them from being more prolific within the town.
It's just because if you look across the country and you see these things, they're popping up all over the place. I just, it's just invasive. Like everybody else, I came here to get away from all this stuff. I just, I don't want all this urban, that's why I get hot up here, because I don't want to see this, I feel like this urban stuff's following me here. Like I just left this in Illinois, here they come, they're at Patrick Park. Not to get back to that, but I'm just trying to keep this place and preserve this place. What I promised everyone when I got elected, and that was we have a traditional Western culture. That doesn't mean flock cameras. That doesn't mean all this crime. There's urban stuff or needles or anything. So that's all it is. So if we can prevent the searchable database.
I'm not sure that we're ready for this at this time in our smart community. And so I don't know how I feel about it. Sorry.
I'm conflicted. We've got the undersheriff telling us they've helped him solve all kinds of problems.
In the past when he was a deputy other places, right?
No, yeah.
I don't think they have fixed ones now, so I don't think they could have helped him. I think they just have him on the cars. You have fixed ones now in public property? So it doesn't affect them at all?
I'm so conflicted. I'll stand down. I'm conflicted. Thank you.
Yeah, go ahead.
We don't have, and like I said, we don't have fixed ones. If we did, we can't just log into them and then look at them. Like I said, I go through the fusion center in Vegas. If I have a violent felon that's fleeing, and I ask them, I say, hey, where is it? Have you seen it come through your flock cameras in Vegas? And they say yes or no, or here it was. We don't have.
Okay, so imagine our future where we had that technology because we had the money to purchase that technology. You would also have a lot of officers, and everything would be golden. So imagine a future, because you've got to look at this as the future.
How long? Are we close or no? Okay, no.
Anyway, so is this a good thing or a bad thing, saying that we don't? I'm conflicted.
If this law passes right now, does this help you or harm you?
Right.
It doesn't do anything.
It maintains the status quo. Yes, it doesn't help or hurt. It maintains the status quo as we've been since 1864.
I don't know why we're touching it. Because Commissioner Bain is being proactive.
Right.
If we do nothing, it doesn't affect their operation, law enforcement's operation. Right. And if we did have cameras, and we got rid of the cameras, it's only good when somebody says, hey, did you catch something on, no, we didn't have it on camera because we got rid of them. Oh, but we don't have that, right? Why is it, because Commissioner Bain is being proactive to say when they do get the technology, if we did have the money to purchase this app, we would at that time want to get rid of it. So he's, it's...
If we had it at that time, we'd have it all in our, all the cars, but we'd not have anything fixed to intersections, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, I got it.
Yeah, so it's like data centers. We don't have a data center, but we banned it, so we don't have one. It's just the same thing. Captain Means said that you can search the lens lock. He installed them, so he said you can search them. So they can search them right now and say, hey, where was it, according to Captain Means, who's sitting back there. So we can search him. I'm not, again, it's not going to stop that. If you're driving behind a cop and he's going to say, hey, I saw John Koenig was behind me at 7.43 p.m. on his way home from a commissioner meeting.
Was he in his Charger or the County Bureau?
I think his County Bureau was broken. Is it back? Did you get your car back? No. So yeah, all it would really do is just stop. And it's just taking the pulse of the community. People are upset about these things, and I get it. I am upset about it. I am upset about everything, apparently. I'm just upset about all kinds of crime and things. It really is just to stop these things from being installed. They're coming very rapidly in these communities. And so for all we know, we wake up and the states put 10 of these things on 372 and we wouldn't even know. So if we ban them, then we know. So the question is, do you think your constituents want to wake up and see 25 flock cameras up and down 116, 372 with state police with a database that's accessible by the Knight County Sheriff to find out exactly where you were and when. That's the question. Because if we ban this.
Through the chair, please question Mr. Deay.
I need to jump in there because you don't have the authority to do anything on 160 or 372, those are state highways, and if the state wants to come in and put flock cameras on them, there's nothing that we can do as a county to ban them.
I thought you said that that's not true, because we talked about that yesterday.
Okay, I apologize then, I'm wrong, I can't stop that. You cannot, they have the authority, they have the authority over their highways.
I apologize. I may have not been paying attention. I thought you said that that would be a problem. Because I said, like, hey, if the state wants to do it, then the state can do it. So why would they be mad about this? Because there's a state person who back-channeled to me. And one of the biggest problems here in Nevada is there's no communication. I haven't been in a place with a little communication. Everyone's mad at each other, and they don't communicate. If you're going to be mad at each other, at least communicate and be mad at each other. But I don't get no communication from the state, but someone had said they were concerned about this law. So I don't know why they're concerned. I don't know. Who knows?
Well, I'm not saying they are concerned.
So yes, we can still have them there, but it would forbid us from accessing them at Home Depot. So right now, if we asked Home Depot, sheriffs could do it. If we passed this ban, they could not. So right now, the sheriff could get an arrangement with the HOA down there in your district, and they could know exactly when everybody left Mountain Falls, for example. Sure. Is it 13?
Quick question, sorry, DA. If this passes, the camera that is allegedly at Home Depot, which I've never seen, we have control over private property now?
No, no. No, this does not control private property at all. Okay. As Commissioner Bain indicated, it could be read as... allowing law enforcement to use that camera, because that's what this ordinance is banning, is basically governmental use of flock cameras.
But if a flock camera at Home Depot finds a murder suspect, then we can't do anything with it.
Yeah, and that's one of the concerns I have is that – Well, that's not true.
It's exempt in there. This bans the casual use of this database. There is a clause in there that says if there is – it's vague for a reason. So if there's a murderer or a rapist or something else and they want to do that, they can do it. They just have to submit a report saying we used flock camera data to investigate this murder. That's what's in the law.
Make a motion to reject Town Bill 2026-04.
Does that stop us from getting the murderer or not stop us from getting the murderer?
You can always get the murderer. You just have to fill out a piece of paper. The sheriff would just have to say, hey, we got this information from Home Depot. That's all. So if there's a serious crime, all this does is it prevents a casual use of flock cameras. So you can't just type in and someone walks in, and I know the sheriff would never do this, walk in and just start typing out, where is John Koenig today? Or where is my ex-girlfriend or whatever that's been happening in other places? Not here. I'm not saying it's happening here. But that prevents that kind of thing from happening, their abuse from law enforcement. Passing it does.
We have a motion.
We have a motion. Do we have a second?
I think they'll let it die.
It's dead.
All right, everything's dead. A motion to pass item 13 as written.
We have a motion again. It's dead again. Okay, moving on to whatever, wherever we comment, I think.
Yes, general. Item 28, general public comment. Up to three-minute time limit per person. Public comment will be for all matters off the agenda. Public comment must be limited in matters that are within the jurisdiction and control of the Board of County Commissioners. Action will not be taken on the matters considered during this period until specifically included on an agenda as an action item.
Who said that? Can you change that it's two minutes.
I'm sorry you read three It's two minute time limit per person That's okay, it's still wait till the whole room gets up go ahead John John O'Brien Oh apostrophe capital B or IEN after we leave here, let's leave all of our personal differences and It was a well-fought meeting from 10 a.m. till almost 8 p.m. No hardships on comments. Everybody fought hard for everything that was on the agenda, even though I can't talk about it. Let's make this place a better place to live, continue to live in peace and harmony. And let's keep making this place special because it deserves it.
I agree with you, John. Sam, what do you got for us, please?
The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Oh, yes, Amy Nelson, N-E-L-S-O-N. Our meetings are getting better and better. A lot more people are showing up and calling in, and it's good to see. You had a good meeting today. You passed some good ones, and you didn't pass some good ones, but it was a good meeting. Thank you very much for everything you did.
Thanks, Amy. Come on down, skis.
Skis and skis, C-E-N-S-K-E. What? Interesting meeting, but that's not what I'm here to talk about. Not this weekend. Next weekend is the fall festival and the parade. You know, people don't see the back end of a lot of this. Jimmy and his crew down there, they worked their butt off trying to get this going. But my concerns about the parade is not a concern. As usual, I'll be announcing the parade. I'll be there with Deanne O'Donnell. It'll actually be a live feed through Valley Electric's thing or whatever. We'll probably introduce a lot of newer the business people. I'm inviting them to come down and just say hi to the community. The parade goes by in the same. And I would like to send out a personal invitation publicly to Mr. Michael David Garcia to come and sit next to me and watch the parade so he can see the other side of Peron. And I will guarantee you it will be a constitutional parade. Thank you.
Thank you. Come on down, Linda.
Linda Clark. See how they are. Okay. Didn't want to forget that. That's a good idea. I'm sure we have others we can add to it, and I'm sure you'd like to add me to it. Okay. Anyway, what I want to say is what I object to the meetings today obviously was all the fighting at the end. And you don't call it fighting. It's discussion, right, Deborah? Anyway, we need to take that kind of stuff someplace else. It doesn't belong in here. In the bathroom, maybe. By the toilet. Yeah. And yeah, you're going to blame it on me. Yeah, it wasn't me. Donna already tried that.
Who's Donna?
Donna Cox.
Yeah. What I would like to see, and I know you don't care, why do you carry all of these important things that you know you're going to have a lot of controversy to the last part of the day? Why? Because you don't want to listen to us. So we're going to talk about data and all this other crap. Why do those agenda items have to be the last thing of the day? Because now there's hardly anybody here that can talk about it or give their opinions. That's not fair to the rest of the community. Because a lot of them did come to talk about that. And I've said this before. It's not fair to them. The people come because they can come. How many of them can't come because of their work schedules? And it's not fair. So think about that. Put your agenda items that are going to cause all this controversy towards the beginning.
I thought we did.
You do, huh?
Today. No. OK. No, you did.
You never do.
I'm sorry I interrupted you. Go ahead.
What?
Go ahead.
It's okay. I'm done. And you're done. Thank you.
And you're done. Oh, my gosh. Do you ever have a positive thought, Linda? Ever. Sam, we got anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hi. Terry Jo Hook, HOOK. I just want to thank you guys all so very much. I know this isn't easy for anyone, but It's very necessary, and it's necessary to hear the public comments because you guys are five people, but you have a whole host of people that have ideas and knowledge and wisdom, and that needs to be shared to be considered in order to make right decisions. But I want to specifically thank Ian Bain for his hard work on so much of this. I don't want him to feel... You're a fighter, Ian, and we're so grateful for you for our county and our town. And I just wanted to express that because I know everybody gets, you know, ridiculed. And sometimes it's deserving and sometimes it's not. But I just want to just thank you guys all for your efforts and for listening and being patient and caring. And so I just wanted to get that on the record and thank you guys very much, so much.
Thank you, ma'am. Come on down, Leah.
Aldridge, ALD, RIDGE. You know, sometimes I don't have all the answers, but I do know I'm looking forward to next weekend at the Fall Festival. That's going to be great. Number two, I do support the Nye County Sheriff's Department. I don't want that to be, you know, misconstrued. I do support our sheriff. I just want things to be better. The death of Stevie Miller haunts me to this day. I've seen things go wrong in that jail. I know all you can remember when I was hauled down there in 2017 on a traffic ticket. I was there for six hours. I saw the abuse of two other females when I was in there, and that was under a different sheriff. But, you know, the environment doesn't seem to have changed, but I know it can get better. So I just want to say, Corey, I do support you, okay? Anyway, great meeting today. Thank you guys for letting me speak. Have a great night.
Thank you. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair, the caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Commissioners. Michael David Garcia, GARCIA. I promise this will be the last time I ask you. Can you hear me? Yes. And that's tonight anyway. Anyhow, I just want to give thanks and praise for the right to practice regardless of where you're at. You know, we do need some more practice and we do have some internal struggles that we're not talking about as much inside the jail, outside the jail, in the court. And I also want to thank and accept the invitation of the previous speaker. I'll have to play it back whenever it comes out, but I just want them to know that I'm going to be bringing the master plan. That's the bill of rights. It's a little easier when you can zoom in on the God-given rights and for y'all to give up, sacrifice a little bit of liberty for safety. That's not what it's about. You know, you deserve neither. And Ian Bain, you know, push on the Christianity side, you know, maybe work, meant to help the downtrodden, the broken. Maybe that's what it's all about. Maybe we can all learn a lesson. I've been talking about tolls. Tolls lie three times in court, and we don't prosecute perjury. But they do, they promote it. It was allowed to be in our closets at our schools with our kids. That's who you have in front of you to collect the bargaining. We have to get it a little bit better. I have videos. I've been through the office. That's true. Ask your board. They know. They've been through there. I can bring you copies. DA, they're of age. It's okay if I show them now, right? Brought upon the court, financial fraud. What's the statute of limitations on that? Y'all only run from 1983. We're going to have grand juries. We're going to have depositions. And I really want to know December 20th of 2020. Thank you.
Go ahead, Tim.
Hi, Tim Bohannon, B-O-H-A-N-N-O-N. I'd like to thank whoever's up in Tonopah, if you're still there, for being there.
If they're smart, they laugh.
Didn't hear a whole lot, but I'm glad whoever's there is still there.
I think Tamara is still up there.
So thank you for hanging out for us for many, many, many, many hours. A couple things. One, there's work to be done, and we all see that. From a financial standpoint, what are we doing? I'm not gonna talk about the budget, but what are we doing? And looking at, but we're more than just finance. What are we doing around town? What are we doing about safety? What are we doing about the people? What are we doing about parks and recreation? Serving at Nye County Park and Rec, Things that happen up in Round Mountain, I care a lot about. You know, making sure that they have a strong area up there is very important. But we're the same thing down here. Mr. Hoosier's over there talking. But thank you, everybody. We're hanging out. Giving great feedback. Working hard on this. Commissioners, thank you. Staff, thank you. Sorry it's so late. But you've held out pretty well on that. And we appreciate your hard working efforts on this. Thank you all. Have a good night. Thanks. Sam, anybody on the phone, please?
Yes, Chair. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Patricia Robb, R-O-B-B. I just want to bring up something about the last PRPC meeting in regards to item number 13 that dealt with 543 homes possibly going in. It was tabled until the November 10th meeting. However, I believe you guys are the ones that assigned the board members for the PRPC. And I would like to let you know that when it comes to decisions such as 543 homes to be built in our area when we don't even know what the water table information is all about and we hear people's wells being drilled deeper and the problems going on with everything, I can see one individual owner being allowed to build on their land. But 543 homes, no. not right now the fact that there are two realtors on the board that denied this rather they didn't want it to go through they wanted it obviously in their minds they're thinking future sales they're not going to come out and say that as a realtor myself when i was a realtor i know how realtors think and to put a client first is more important than the money When you care more about the community and what's going on in the community, that should matter more than the thought that, oh, this could mean more sales in the future. So somebody was asked on social media if they were to lose the housing project, how would it affect their livelihood? And answering that it's a realtor because they know the laws, the zoning, flood zones, Everybody that's in that position should know it anyway. So that's kind of a cop-out. One person did say no to it, and that's the way it should be. I'm just letting you know that having realtors on board on the PRPC board, they should not be giving their opinions on anything to do with new home development, period.
Thank you. Sam?
The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hello, Board. Bruce Johnson, J-O-H-N-S-O-N. I'm going to finish reading my notice. Thank you. And you all did good today. Please take notice. It is my wish that you provide clarity regarding your constitutional authority to do acts as long as it is not expressly prohibited in the 51 Constitutions and violates people's right to redress grievances or repress speech. Question number one, identify the adopted rule or authority permitting the posted three-minute public comment restriction to be changed to two minutes during the meeting and the objective criteria used to make that determination. Question number two, identify the adopted rule or authority to deny a public speaker the right to reserve their time to another speaker and the objective criteria used to make that determination. Question three, identify the specific adopted rule or authority within the NRS 241 open meeting law provisions to remove the public speaker from a meeting. Maximum of law, the main object of the government is the preservation and protection of personal rights, private property, and the public liberties upholding the law of God America's maximum of law. The government is to be subject to the law, but the law makes the government. And I'm going to finish it out with this. Michael David Garcia, I'll see you there, brother. Peace out. God bless.
CHRIS JERRAM, I'm sure you will on that one. Sam, you got anybody for us? CHRISTIE WOODARD, No, Chair. CHRIS JERRAM, Closing public comment. Number the next one, whatever it is. Please.
item 29 commissioner managers comments this item is limited to announcements brief discussions of public comments correction of factual inaccuracies direction to staff for topics proposed for future board meetings lengthy deliberation of topics not on the agenda as prohibited by the nevada open meeting law thank you commissioner mr bruce thank you i want to thank everybody for your patience
Staff, thank you very much for staying over.
Yes, and we're sorry.
When you get home, you tell your puppies, your children, your spouses, that I took responsibility, and I apologize for Tim Bohannon speaking so much today. Thank you. Mr. Strickland.
Chair, once again, Mr. Johnson, our Board of County Commissioner Rules of Procedure Section 7.5.3 and 7.5.4 are very available to you and on the very front of our agenda every single time. It states we have the right to reduce the time allowed. It also states other things. Please familiarize yourself with those. And Chair, guess what? We had 128 commenters today that I counted. At 128 commenters, that's over two hours and 15 minutes. You could still be here.
I wouldn't be.
So we do this for a very good reason. We're not good after 8 o'clock. Thanks, your chair.
Thank you. Commissioner Koenig, what do you got?
I have nothing. He's had it. Huh? He's had it. I'm hungry and I'm tired and I'm old.
I'm concerned about that study about Nye County having the highest number per capita of sad people, people relating as sad from doctors. No, they're not.
That was a California study.
It makes it even worse when people like Linda have nothing but negative.
Yeah, it really makes you believe the study.
It makes me believe it. So I want you all to be happier. So there you go, that's all I got. We are out. Oh, any managers?
I do have a hand raised. All right, let's see it. The caller is unmuted. Please speak and spell your name for the record.
Hi, it's Joni in Tonopah. Joni Eastley, E-A-S-T-L-E-Y. I have something very quick. I want to correct the record on something. Before Facebook blows up with conspiracy and nepotism accusations, I'd like to correct the record on item number nine. James Eason, E-A-S-O-N, is president of Great Basin Water. And Joni Eastley, E-A-S-T-L-E-Y, that's me, is the former Nye County Commissioner. And although we remain very close friends from his many years as the Tonopah Town Manager, We are not related, so I'd like to correct item number nine. His name is James Eason.
And I do that all the time, Joni. I apologize.
Thanks, Joni. No, it's actually a compliment. He's a good man.
Thank you, Joni. Thank you.
Why don't you guys work till nine and take the rest of the evening off?
Listen, young lady, that's enough of that. With pay.
I'm a taxpayer.
With pay. All right. That's it. Any other managers or directors? Thank you so much.
Thank you.
We're done. 8.08.
Thanks, you guys.
Corey, thanks for sticking through it. Thank you, Corey.
Karina, you don't even need to go home. We'll just hang you on a peg tonight, and in the morning we'll take you off the peg and dust you off. I might as well stay here now.
I don't.
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