City Council - workshop

Then we will start the special meeting. The municipal council for Tuesday, August 18, 2026. We have three points on the agenda. The first is a discussion about the location of pedestrian crossings in the public school of Robinville. We have the presence of Scott Stewart, Director of Public Affairs, to talk to us about it. Absolutely. Good evening. Darren asked me to come tonight to give a brief description, since there is a lot of concern and importance in this topic, so we wanted to make sure that we all go in the same direction. I'm going to start with what the school initially requested. Soundtracks, not a step of pedestrians. Se comunicaron con nosotros en mayo, creo, y fuimos a hacer una evaluación. Volvieron a contactarnos en julio finalmente. Pudimos coordinar hace unas semanas para ir a inspeccionar el lugar. Es una carretera de 50 metros superior. The soundtracks are really not a good solution on a 50 miles road. You know how they sound on a highway. That's how they would sound here all day. Therefore, that was not a good choice. When the municipal staff went there, they met with the school administrator, I think it was with the superintendent, and they also met with the security officer to analyze what options were available. The municipal staff proposed some solutions. Basically, they installed additional crossing signals, which was an interesting use, but they are already in other schools and places. Then they offered to use cones to create a highly visible temporal path for drivers entering the school area. That's what happened after that discussion. We felt that there was good communication and that's what started and then the installation of pedestrian paths was requested. At this point, we begin to analyze if the pedestrian paths were adequate or not. We certainly agree with the use of pedestrian paths. We believe that pedestrian paths are good. We always prefer them in signaled or stopped conditions because it is a safer condition. In many places where we install them, we end up placing some kind of stop control or at least additional warning lights and other elements. In this case, there are some additional details. I just want to point out some of them. First, it is a 50 miles per hour highway when there is no school zone. And even the Federal Highway Administration says that crossings should not be made at half a block on a 50 miles per hour street. Our own policy and the written policy that was in the sent memorandum says that over 40. Well, it says that the percentage 85 of the speed over 40 in a... In 50 miles per hour. The 85 percentile is going to be well above 40, if not sometimes above 50. It also approaches the top of the hill. One begins to pass the hill and goes down towards it. There are many concerns about not having parking control with children using it. It is a somewhat strange location where it is. You can see that it is the black square there. I have it pointed out. You can see that it goes from an entrance to the center of a large descent zone, which adds a lot of ambiguity about how they should transit and where they should go. It really generates a lot of concern when we see it from the use area of ​​the children and the parents who leave the children and finish their coffee or anything else. We always want to try to separate both because it can always be a dangerous situation. And the other thing that really impacted the decision-making on this was, how many of you can tell me, where are there cross-breeding signals that people usually pay attention to? The reason is that we get used to that signal being there and that there are no deer. The same usually happens when these pedestrian crossings are placed in places where there are not always pedestrians, one simply starts to get in the way. So there is a lot of concern here about security on the part of the staff. And we feel that for these reasons a pedestrian crossing in this location is really not the best alternative. So again we order that we work with the school and we inform it. I think they started to use them, but we agreed that we would continue monitoring. We would continue to take your comments and we want to continue working towards solutions. Ultimately, the best solution would be something like what you see here and I will guide you through this because there are many lines there. But basically the solution would be to add wax to the intersection with stop control, which would be the safest place for that pedestrian crossing. So, to begin, we will start on the south side at that entrance. We would install a sidewalk. Because there are extreme elevation changes there, we would have to build a containment wall so that the sidewalk complies with the ADA-ADA standard. We would take it to the intersection where you can see the pedestrian crossing scratched on the east side of that intersection when crossing the street and then back to the school yard and we would have to do some things there, add some curbs, simply because again there is a small unevenness. We would have to make it suitable for students and make it accessible according to the ADA standard. We believe that this is safe. This is our long-term preferred alternative. Yes, this is what we would be working on. We made a cost estimate and classified it as we do with all steel projects. The estimate for this case is around $100,000 including the unforeseen margin. We feel that it is necessary to include it because we do not want to start the work and have budget problems. to classify what was in the 43 of 52 steel projects. The main reason is that it is not connected to other steels.

So that's where we got to and where we ended up.

We will be delighted to discuss this more in depth. That's really what we have about this. You will be delighted to answer any question or comment. Great advice.

Would something like that qualify for a subvention of ACOG or part of it? that deals with aceras and signaling for schools.

Yes, absolutely. There is a program through ACO that is for schools and arterial pathways. We use it frequently. We get it almost every year. But normally what we do is review the list of aceras classification and we take the best classified to start completing them or we divide them into parts or we choose one that fits the money we want to be able to get that year. So yes, I would qualify for that and it is an option that we could look for if the board of directors were to apply for this project instead of others on the list.

It would be $80,000. Or $100,000. And what is the typical size of an ACOG application for this? It would cover... $100,000.

So, every year, when the council grants us our funding for the ACERA program, there is always $100,000 or $120,000 in this, we label our programs, just like the ACOG funding. It is very easy for us to separate them, put them in the correct category and make sure that we are getting the right projects. Yes, that would be a project that would definitely fit into that.

Yes, it would be like an ACOG funding year if it is in the range of $100,000 to $120,000.

There may be more funding available than that, but this would definitely be what we would want. If we did that, we could take the rest and apply it to another project. We have carried out larger projects with this, we have carried out smaller projects with this. So it simply depends on the need at that time, what we have and the funds available.

I would love to explore subsidies. Acog obviously seems like one of the best to request, but maybe there is one for rural schools that can also apply.

We can definitely verify. We are aware of all the funding opportunities that we can find, but we can definitely investigate that.

I suppose that in a similar line there is some way to associate with the school to reduce the cost in something or anything on its part.

That is certainly an option that we could ask and we could look for that too.

But the church and the school. There are 52 steel projects.

Is there any way to see how many of them are connected to a school? When you go to our list, we have the category in which we believe it fits. We don't have it, but we could disclose it to tell you where they would classify in the program of schools and arteries. But yes, that is one of the things that we really analyze, because when we start to request these funds, we want to make sure to put the projects in the right place and assign that money according to what the council assigns us in the appropriate categories. So that could be useful and then the council can make a decision. If they know that being connected to a school is worth it to nominate it to other projects, which can be and we have already done it before. And if we support that direction, the classification is something that we can use to give a certain type of direction and clarity. Many of you have seen it, some have not, but it is a fairly extensive spreadsheet. There are not only two or three elements. Let's see how long an element has been there, where is a receptor. A school is obviously a receptor. So we include many elements to try to evaluate them effectively.

It reaches the school.

Concejal Kirby I don't think they care if it's right there or up in the hill. I think they would be happy anyway. I've been there the last 40 days and I've seen four people pass that high signal, climb the hill and not even stop. To mention it, I could identify a deer sign. Probably I could identify some because I pass in front of them too often. But if people stop paying attention to deer signs, they will also stop paying attention to the ones you just put. You mentioned that it is not safe to cross at the top of the hill, but the new sign was put right here and here, directing people to cross where they already cross. So, if it is not safe, why did we put the signs here instead of down? Oh, people have been crossing here since the beginning of the class. But from what I was explaining to you, on 48 Indian Hills, as you know, that northeast corner was on sale and was auctioned recently. Los desarrolladores entregaron los permisos a OKC.

Quieren construir unas 100 casas y un complejo de apartamentos justo ahí.

Así que todo eso va a estar en ese distrito escolar. Robin Hill también está tratando de encontrar un terreno de 10 acres en el distrito escolar para añadir una preparatoria. Una preparatoria fuera del campus, lo que le daría a Norman, ya saben, una especie de tercera preparatoria, especialmente si vive en esa zona. Bueno, va a haber mucho flujo de tráfico, supongo que esa es su mayor preocupación.

I used it more than doubled or tripled since I was there at the end of the 80s, beginning of the 90s.

So mainly just... Let the kids know where to form and cross, since many people have to use the parking lot. But I don't think they're going to argue. What area is the one that goes? I don't know who came and painted the white lines. I had nothing to do with that.

It surprised us when they disappeared, when we...

We never really expected that. But they are mainly trying to get to a place where they can cross because people are skipping that high signal.

And luckily with the intermittent lights, people will lower the speed to 25 at the entrance.

That is our hope. And also, you know, that's why we recommend the cones, it gives us a visual influence, while I already want to say the stripes. In some way, yes.

They put them every day now.

But I know that some teachers who have even communicated and said that they have almost been run over early in the morning when the sun is just coming out and people are coming out of the sun and people are trying to, you know, get to work and the school areas are not blinking. And as everyone knows that it is a cross area, I think they just think that if there are white lines, I mean, you have the signs, then the white lines are just more identification of where someone could be crossing. But... An open conversation is simply great. Yes, we have not closed any options.

I was going to ask. They have a crossing guard. I know that the school is close to me. I know that there are many four-way crossings in Gray and Main on the west side. But in Jefferson they don't have a four-way crossing in Stewart and Gray and they have a crossing guard that stands in front of the people.

I think the school security officer or someone else is trying to help cover this, which definitely makes us feel much safer.

The four-foot cones, not the short little ones.

They are doing everything possible to enter the visual field of the drivers.

And that's what the staff and supervision really thought. We need something. We need something to get people's attention. I agree that the signs are out there. We couldn't put it in the middle of the road so that people would hit it. So we needed to put them on the edges. We would have chosen very different locations for them. But they somehow did it, you know. It was easier, right? Tratando de poner lo que pudiéramos para ayudar a ser más visuales, más alertas. Obviamente las señales escolares son probablemente lo mejor que tenemos ahora mismo porque son... Sí, son de este ya. Luces intermitentes. Son buenas. Son lo que tenemos normalmente en nuestras zonas escolares urbanas.

Esta sí.

En la 48.

¿Y Franklin es un alto de cuatro vías o de dos?

Es un alto de cuatro vías. Y la escuela tuvo, tuvieron algunas preocupaciones de que la gente se pase ese alto. Así que realmente pintamos algunas líneas de alto en el este oeste para tratar de dar más pistas visuales de nuevo. Así que estamos tratando de... Estamos tratando de ayudar allí y trabajar donde podamos. Pero sí, fuimos allí y pintamos algunas líneas de alto nuevas y refrescamos eso un poco.

Puedo ver por qué esa sería realmente un área de riesgo.

Let me ask you, the gaming area, you know, has it always been like this? Has it always been on the other side of the road like this? I was going to say that the church and the school have been there since I have memory. I'm going to travel for the 48 quite often.

It reminds me of Vertigo, where I went to school. The same type of configuration, and it was always a problem, but people simply knew that studying in a school would be better than succeeding.

Well, there I have to, you know, at the beginning of each year we always have a burst of the concerns of any school. All schools have their own individual problem that they face, either people parking in gardens and on side streets, or if they are parking at my entrance near Roosevelt. Ya sabes, recoge los temas que has visto en Whittier.

Ahora mismo los padres de Lemon están bloqueando el carril exterior de la avenida 2 de la autopista 77 frente a Walmart para entrar a recoger y dejar a los niños.

Es siempre un momento muy caótico, muy agitado, muy difícil. Intentamos trabajar con los distritos escolares, todos ellos, para encontrar adaptaciones donde podamos para hacer la mejor situación posible. I just wanted to say first thank you to the city for having gone quickly and at least try to improve the situation they currently have there and try to work with them. However, I would like to see that this, you know, remains on the list and advances, if possible, to try to achieve this. You know, the wax project and everything for them.

I think that simply adds a little more security in general, having wax adapted for the wing and the final pedestrian crossing there in the future.

We can. It only works to a certain extent. En Franklin, entre la 60 y la 48 podríamos reducir el límite de velocidad. No podemos simplemente reducir el límite de velocidad. Debe hacerse mediante un estudio de velocidad. Y estoy bastante seguro de que el estudio dirá que son 50. No veo que un estudio de velocidad reduzca el límite en esta área. Entonces, legalmente tenemos que hacer el estudio. O podemos hacer el estudio y luego decir, bueno, por razones de seguridad comunitaria creemos debería ser 35. Y eso es lo que vamos a hacer. Tendría que hablar con mi equipo de tráfico. Tendría que hablar con tráfico, pero generalmente si pones 35, la gente igual va a ir a 60. ¿Qué nos obliga a hacer un estudio para bajar el límite de velocidad? ¿Y podría el Consejo votar para cambiar? Eso sigue el meu DTCD, que es la Biblia del control de tráfico. Y los dispositivos de control de tráfico. Así que, de ahí es de donde viene eso. Es un procedimiento reconocido. Federalmente seguimos ese procedimiento. But what we usually find is that people simply exceed it. If you lower the speed limit, they will simply exceed it. So the answer to that question is in the law of claims for fines. There is an exemption for actions that you take according to the standard that you have adopted. You adopted that one. Manual de seguridad vial. Entonces, cuando llegué aquí por primera vez, eso era una de las cosas de las que siempre hablaba con nuestra antigua ingeniera de tráfico, Ángel Lombardo. Recuerdo a Ángel diciéndome, si está en el manual, lo haremos. Si no está en el manual. Porque el problema es que una vez que te sales del manual, si algo sucede como resultado de la acción que tomaste, básicamente has renunciado a tu responsabilidad bajo la ley de reclamaciones. Por eso que son tan...

We could say, however, that it is a school and that 50 miles per hour is not appropriate. You can ask the question.

Do you want to go in front of T45? adopt a standard to establish the speed limits and the traffic control manual. And if you get out of that manual, you are potentially renouncing responsibility if something happens. Because the speed limit is lower.

Correct. Well, because the speed limit is lower, you are renouncing a potential responsibility.

and it is reduced during school hours when the school zone begins. It's 25, right? 20. So we reduced it for school with intermittent lights and an adequate warning before reaching the school zone. Well, that's an interesting case because yes, I think that in James Gardner Boulevard the speed limit was different originally, right? It was 25 and what we felt is that people, and when they did the study, showed that it needed to be 35. People need that speed. So basically what you do is look, you take, you register the speed of the cars, you take the percentage 85. It's a traffic engineering issue, so I'm not going to say that I'm an expert on it, but that's how you determine what would be the applicable speed limit for that.

Well, my preference would definitely include this.

en el programa me gustaría ver la lista de escuelas tal vez cuales son las prioridades de los sitios escolares en los límites de la ciudad de norman en cuanto a pedestrian paths and access to sidewalks. I know we have done it. We have worked in several school sites and obtained federal funds to carry out that walk program. Safe to school in Kennedy and others. Yes, we have done a lot of that. And therefore, there may definitely be some opportunities, but I would like to have it. I mean, I think it would be good to have it as a ready-to-use project.

When there are funds available. Working with the church, with the school, with ACOG.

Tal vez podamos. Entonces, este proyecto no requeriría necesariamente un diseño de ingeniería. Básicamente ya sabemos cómo construir aceras ahora. Podemos ir allá y hacer un muy buen diseño de campo y luego tenemos nuestro propio levantamiento topográfico. Este no sería uno que necesitemos. Y cuando solicitamos esto, no tienen que pasar por todo eso. Simplemente ya saben. En este caso creo que sería lo suficientemente pequeño. Probablemente podremos terminarlo, pero quizás vamos a hacer un pequeño diseño rápido. If we were to obtain funding, we would need to have some kind of plan. We would probably see something quite competent internally and quickly to help reduce the cost. And all the work that we show right now until we get to the school yard is on the public road. No public road would be necessary that should be acquired. There really is no public service underground there. So when you talk about I would call this a ready project to start. If they gave us instructions, if there were funds, we could go out and work on it. As soon as we had a contractor. Joe, if you need any help, I would wait for them to do something about it. Counsel Kerr. Just a couple of different things.

Is there any way, since I noticed during the orientation that almost all your traffic lights are digital and programmable?

So, since they are an independent school and they get a large part of their funds through carnivals and basketball games, events off schedule, could you give them a list of events so that they might blink during those events and help reduce the risk of someone getting hurt? Would that be an option? Let me talk about that with our traffic group. I wouldn't want to answer that directly because I would hate to give a bad answer. Let me verify that. I will certainly inform you about it because I think it would definitely make a big difference since it indicates to people to reduce speed. y luego para Stevens o al alcalde. Perdón, 40 miles por hora. Si avanzas unas tres cuartas partes de milla hacia el este, llegas a Franklin, Oklahoma, y justo antes del puente del River cambia 40 y sigue a 40 miles por hora casi hasta el 84, ¿habría alguna manera, tal como le preguntaba, de extender esa zona de 40 miles por hora ya que ya es reducida un poco más al este? Definitivamente podríamos hacer un estudio de velocidad de riesgo. No sé por qué yo conduzco por aquí bastante y nunca, ah, ¿por qué es así allí? A menos que sea como, no puedo responder a eso. He conducido por allí y me he preguntado por qué tenemos que reducir la velocidad.

Yo esperaría que redujeran la velocidad. Así que entiendo la pregunta. Alguien hace un estudio en esa área.

Daremos seguimiento a ambos temas. Y también prepararemos la lista de los proyectos escolares. Franklin is, I think, an old town, but it's within the limits of the city of Norman. Great example. It has like two small main streets. Manachurch comes to Grant and then Dickson.

Yes, I would be interested in the speed study about what would happen if it were 40 miles per hour and I am interested in the intermittent lights during events. I think that would be beneficial. Yes, it is. And I'm also delighted to look for those pension opportunities or work with the school and the church to share some costs if we have to take that path too. Uh, maybe if they can help a little, we can upload it on the project list. And speaking of that, I think it would be good to find out what place it occupies in terms of schools and arterial paths compared to the other cycles. We will do it.

I'm just curious. It's probably a question for the councilman here. Who usually stands in the church and crosses the street? Because this... Oh, I'm sorry. A lot of people stand in the church, but it's also like any other school. And being a narrow rural road, a road of the county, it has people lining up in all directions. So many parents who can't wait for the hour in line to leave their children, go there, leave them crossing the street, walking, and immediately return to their vehicle. Now that they put the cones, they put them in a way that you can only enter, but you can't turn out through that intersection area. So they have even established the address. I think the staff probably advised them to control how people turn when they leave. His neighbor does not want to sell them anything from land to the north and to the... The funny thing about Robin Hill is that Robin Hill would not exist if it weren't for the McGoverns. The McGoverns irrigation company, their grandfather in those days used to cultivate all that land and donated that land to Robin Hill. And when I went to Robin Hill, it was just a small building. Our backyard was in the back and there was a field where the red roof was. There was our gym where we played basketball, but now they are computer laboratories and the gym is very, very deep. Creo que ha superado su propiedad. Como que ahora mismo están buscando a alguien muy cerca para vender 10 acres y así poderte entendido.

Solo estaba viendo que hay dos circuitos que podrían usar para dejar a los alumnos.

Un lado este y otro en el norte, donde supongo que está el nuevo gimnasio. Pero si es para el personal, si es para estacionamiento. Creo que ahí es donde se estaciona en todos los órganos. No estoy siempre seguro, pero eso suele ser el estacionamiento de autobús.

No tenía curiosidad. ¿De dónde recoge y deja a los estudiantes el autobús?

They do it here on 48th Street and the parents do it here on the... So it seems that everyone... I agree with including it in our program. And I think some additional feedback or information about the specific classifications of the schools. Because as I mentioned before, we were talking about it. It's not like it's a very busy area, but even the Norman High School, the north side of Norman High, to the north of the stadium, between Berry and Picard, there's no sidewalk, you know. So, you know, there are some other places, but we have made, we have achieved a lot of progress over the years, making accessibility improvements, adding new crosses, installing new crosses where I did not know. And then, yes, I think this is a good project to have it there and be prepared for, you know, the financing capacity, the financing opportunity. We will gather that information and we will work with the city secretary and the city administrator to include it in a future study session and bring them those answers as soon as possible. Not for now. And then the second point of the agenda is a discussion about the creation of a special committee to review the evaluation studies of the departments of firefighters and police and possible financial strategies. I don't think there's a presentation. It's an open discussion.

If you don't mind, I'll just say that we normally name these special committees by resolution, so we're just looking for comments on what you want the committee to examine. We will nominate the nominated members of the committee in the resolution and it will be with the specific purpose of implementing the recent studies of both the police and the firefighters. The police is still in the initial stages, but they will be able to see that data as soon as they are available.

And an example is, well, the committee of the PSCT recommended that we created this and they didn't want it to be assigned to them as their committee but several members of the committee of the PSCT have submitted their application so they thought it should be something separate since their task is to supervise the existing PSCT approved by the voters and the projects that were part of it and then later The Animal Welfare Committee began as an ad hoc committee, as a complement to advocate and ensure that voters approved funds to build a new animal shelter. And then it ended up becoming a permanent committee to help, you know, make recommendations on animal welfare issues. So, um, anyway, given that recommendation from the PCST committee and that we have already done the matrix study, now the fire department has presented itself and given its exposure and the police will do it soon. It seems that now is a good time to think about that committee, to help supervise that process and whatever ends up being a, you know, bonus for projects of capital for buildings, taxes on sales for staff, a combination of that, or maybe something that we have not even heard of. But following that line, I did want to mention that it is not specific by district. It could normally be like that, but that is just a general preference that I have had as mayor, as I have mentioned before, to try to get council members to get more involved in the nomination of people for the committees, but also to try to obtain a somewhat more equitable representation throughout the city, but it is not a requirement. Y si hay personas que presentan su solicitud y todos tendremos acceso a la lista completa de solicitantes. Si hay personas que usted cree que serían las más calificadas para estar en él, aunque no vivan en su distrito, eso podría ser algo que usted apoye. Uno tiene que nominar a alguien de su distrito si es a lo que se reduce esto. Así que creo que tendremos bastantes personas calificadas, dignas para elegir. 9 is a number that seems to be... 9 is what I would prefer, just so we have it safely. The same number, you know that we represent, and if we put a person for each district, we would have a general person. Well, but it seems like a good number, and it is a lot for them to also analyze it. So, counselor.

I like 9. It's a good number. ¿Podría la resolución también hablar sobre la evolución de los departamentos y las estrategias de financiación, ya que sí lo discutimos en Temum? El retiro del Consejo sobre la Gestión de Emergencias y el Bienestar Animal, que eventualmente se convertirán en sus propios departamentos. Y parte de eso también es que sabemos que el Refugio de Bienestar Animal tendrá que evolucionar y crecer. So it would probably be an improvement of capital that is in that proposal of general obligation bonds. I suppose they would simply say, you know, use the PSST3 bonds for buildings.

Yes, it would probably be an objective of this committee to propose a financing recommendation, but perhaps not be as specific as to propose a tax order on sales. Yes, because it would also have...

I'm curious to know, because I think it would be the bonus program, a 10-year construction program. How long would it last?

Well, you know, when we announced the proposals for bonuses in the school district, they have a relatively short duration, some more recent than the public schools of Norman, of 354 million in seven years. So our capacity as a committee to examine if it is a proposal for 5, 10 or 20 years and what is the impact on the tax bill on the ownership of all on the side of the general bonds. I think we can delve into that with the members of the committee and bring solid recommendations on what they consider acceptable.

Because I would also like to have information on when the animal welfare refuge would need to expand. Sé que están bastante apretados ahí y que aún podrían estar más técnicos veterinarios y empleados.

Al menos tenemos dos raíces ahí.

Y luego, con la gestión de emergencias, pensando también en cómo se ve el futuro para eso. Y hay financiamiento. ¿Qué parte sería el Fondo General para algo de esto?

mainly the General Fund for Emergency Management. There is probably an argument that yes, there are public service assets such as the wastewater treatment plant, the wastewater treatment plant and that type of infrastructure. We evaluate those assets for risk management purposes. And you know, in the old days, when we thought of emergency management, we thought of storms, of railings, of trains and crashes on the highway. And now we also think of cyber attacks and that kind of objectives to include in that umbrella. So there is probably a component that could be assigned to public services and ensure that its infrastructure is also protected. Y cuando reemplazamos las sirenas... Los reemplazos de sirenas eran parte del impuesto original sobre las ventas para la seguridad pública. Esa infraestructura, y creo que eran sirenas y radios, fue de unos 15 millones en total.

Solo por una vez.

Así que no duran para siempre. Que fueron primero.

Pero podríamos separar esto donde el personal es una cosa y el equipo y la infraestructura se cubren con bonos. Those are my thoughts about it. Thank you.

Yes, I suppose that my general thoughts are that I would prefer that the committee focus first on the side of the bonuses. Obviously, they will probably talk a little bit about everything, but I think it is important to start these capital improvement projects sooner rather than later. At least if we could get that recommendation, we could start the process and then decide what we consider a priority on the side of capital improvements, while they work on the rest of their duties. We could always, I say always, but if we have a ticket that says that we count approved by the voters to build the station of Bomberos 11. We still don't have the tax on sales or whatever to cover the staff, but as soon as we have it, we will have the ability to build it. Obviously it is a dilemma of what was first, but I would prefer to have the building ready before the staff.

Then you could potentially go with the voters and say, we already have the funds approved by you to build the building.

Now we just need approval to finance the personnel. My thoughts, if we are going to create a new committee for something of this size, and we are all trying to choose the best people in our districts for this, I would prefer to give them a little time at the beginning so that they really review the facts instead of rushing with the key issues that we want to realize and all that. In this way, they can obtain a complete image and where it takes us instead of moving along a path and then having to make a detour halfway, you know, and things like that. And I would also like to ask, you know, I imagine that we will receive monthly updates or something like that from that committee on their way of thinking and at what point they are so that we can see the progress. And then that's when we can give suggestions or at least ask questions like, hey, have you thought about this, about that or whatever? just to help with more information, basically. And you know, another thing that I've been talking about for a couple of years, as a matter of public security, and if it's something that we would like to ask you to also consider is, we know that cybersecurity is a big problem, boom, what are the services? that the police and the firefighters depend on computer systems to operate and our capacity to keep up to date with T.I. and where that fits with public safety. And argued that, you know, we all think of the police and firefighters as public safety, but this is just at that point. And in that sense, the conversation about its definition in the modern era of public safety, can include or not the service of ambulances or others. This is an opportunity to say so, it is how the current Confederation of the Council identifies those needs of public safety, those critical elements that are absolutely necessary to keep its public comfortable. I also think that

If we don't think about future cyber security threats, we are already very late.

Y me gustaría ver que nuestro centro de operaciones llegue al punto en que funcionen casi como el centro de fusión en Oklahoma City, donde puedes entrar y sentarte con ellos y te pueden decir exactamente cuáles son todas las amenazas, cómo están trabajando en diferentes casos y todo eso, ya sabes, y simplemente conocer la información real que se tiene en sus comunidades y cosas así.

Y eso es lo que sería tan valioso para que nuestro departamento de policía y bomberos estén al tanto de quien intenta atacarnos desde otro lugar, ya sabes, y todo eso, porque la cantidad de dinero que cuesta.

And we just expanded the IT infrastructure here in the town hall. You know, that 5% that used to be part of street maintenance is now dedicated to that. Hemos hecho algunos cambios recientemente para reforzar los temas de TI y no sé si necesitamos construir un nuevo edificio de TI, pero sí la infraestructura de equipos y el personal. Tener un equipo de seguridad permanente y a tiempo completo. Gente que reciba la capacitación real necesaria para ese tipo de trabajo. Así que eso es otro aspecto de seguridad pública concejal. Aunque estoy de acuerdo en que es definitivamente un aspecto de seguridad pública, me preocupa ampliar demasiado las habilidades de este miembro del comité. Sin faltar al respeto a quien finalmente elijamos, creo que la tecnología requiere una mentalidad y requisitos totalmente distintos. Si vienen expertos a hablar sobre el tema, me parece bien. Pero también creo que es lo suficientemente importante como para que el consejo participe de forma más directa en los asuntos de TI. And if they did, they would see what our T.I. staff needs and how to include it, be it police, firefighters or animal welfare. We include T.I. teams as part of that capital bonus. We hire T.I. staff with the tax on sales for public safety. Or animal welfare staff, since it was not part of the previous taxes. That was an independent bonus. It was built and then the hiring of staff in the last few years have been directives of the council. There have been discussions about whether animal welfare should have parties in the next version of the tax, it should include capital needs. But I agree with what I'm analyzing, like the ETI policy. We are looking for financing.

I think that on the TI side, they probably listen to our capital needs and the tendency to see where they fit in the bond or if we need staff. We could have an expert, but I think it's something where capable people can listen to the needs and plan how to satisfy them in the future.

El señor Powers ha logrado asustar a todos los departamentos hasta un, creo, nivel saludable de paranoia y reconocemos que hace muchos años no había otra opción que sumergir completamente nuestras operaciones en el mundo digital. Y con ello vienen los riesgos. We are lucky that most of our systems allow us to turn off the switch and do everything manually. And even so, we would be fine. That is not the case for all agencies, but in that aspect we are calm. When Mr. Powers identifies some IT infrastructure in the security aspect, he usually goes straight to the top of the list of capital recommendations, simply because all departments are affected by that IT person.

It would be good if it could be covered with a bond. And I see the benefit if it were part of the PCC-STT for any future need identified.

That would be a line, with luck, guaranteed and we would not sub-finance it.

In reality, we would finance it enough to be able to hire those people and be sure that we will have them in the future. And I would just say that after attending some conferences of ML on computer security, her message is quite clear. You need to create an educated strategy for the future. And how are you going to finance it?

Y un ejemplo perfecto. Esta noche, cuando compras un camión de bomberos de 2 millones de dólares y una patrulla de 89 mil dólares, son 2.1 millones de dólares que ya no tienes disponibles para hacer aceras, pasos de peatones y cosas así. Todo sale del mismo presupuesto de capital, a menos que hay un presupuesto de capital alternativo a través de un escenario de bonos geográficos. Bueno, así es como afecta realmente a sus deberes y responsabilidades cotidianas en el Consejo. So, if we have the deadline, the deadline for the application, we receive all the applications, and then we would have another meeting for the city council to decide what we would do. And I make recommendations. I would love a regular update if we did it in a conference prior to the council. Not everyone goes to each committee meeting, but practically the whole council is here for the conferences prior to the council. ¿Podríamos programar esas actualizaciones cuando el comité tome ritmo para asegurar que todo el consejo reciba esas noticias?

¿Con qué frecuencia les gustaría que se reuniera el comité?

Todos los días. Solo lo dejo caer. Yo trabajo todos los días. Comiencen la conversación. Les daré la mitad.

¿Cuánto durarían si fueron compromiso de un año, una vez al mes o cada cinco semanas?

Tres por la mitad.

Si fueran dos años una vez al mes, no sé, ¿es esto dentro del alcance del objetivo o más pequeño? Creo que probablemente sería una vez al mes para empezar y luego cuando realmente lleguen a lo sustancial, si creen que necesitan reunirse más a menudo, podrían hacerlo. Si ustedes quieren establecer una fecha límite para la recomendación, entonces podemos trabajar a partir de ahí y ver cuánto tiempo creen que tomará. ¿Comentarios sobre el One Transit?

Por favor. And Katherine, as far as saying that this mandate is expected to last until the day of the elections and it would be, you know, valuable that this committee can come out and help educate the public on why the question is important. But then, if it really has a purpose at that point. and the One Transit vote is relevant because it could impact if we end up asking for an increase in taxes to the PSCT or if we ask voters to reuse the existing transit tax because if One Transit is approved that would replace our current local transit tax. We could decide to keep it potentially and simply make more transit than what one transit would do. Or we could reuse it potentially if voters were willing to pay the PSST. And so you don't have to increase taxes to do it.

Maybe the committee could do it too.

That's something I'd like them to be evaluating. And then, as they are thinking, in February for One Transit, potentially, maybe. And then public services have indicated to us that there are some things that we will have to consider next year, within the next year, more or less, about it. And I know that Cris has the rates studies about to be completed to bring the council to study sessions to show everyone what rates structure is being proposed. And then there are definitely other things out there. Norman Forward 2 is also on the horizon. And then, you know, many different things to consider and many pieces in motion that could shape how things turn out. But this definitely, I think the committee would give us another point of view to observe the matrix study, to observe the recommendations of the police department, the fire department, of the police officers who serve. And then give us feedback on

The best ways to proceed.

And then previous committees have also helped to promote that proposal that the council approves and then, you know, help to campaign for it if it ends up being something that requires a lesson or something like that. And as it is right now, the secretary would keep the request open until Monday at 5. And that would give anyone during the weekend the opportunity to apply if they want to. And that shows their work. Look at the complete request. So I would recommend reviewing it, see if there are people from your districts that you are interested in naming. Review all the requests, without a doubt, and see if in general there are people who consider themselves more qualified to be there. Even if that means that your district does not have it. Any other comment or personal question about that?

Just to give the participants, the volunteers, an idea of how long they could be meeting. We could put, you know, it is expected that they meet for a year, once a month, but those meetings could be more frequent or that schedule could be extended according to what the committee determines to complete their work or something like that. So there is flexibility, but you also know that if you put it, a year is what we ask.

So essentially naming the committee the September 8th. That's the first meeting in September. So I have to tell you. A year from September 8th. And it's basically. A time frame. We will give you personal. We will fill you with data and answer all the questions. Maybe you don't need so much. No. But it's fine. Any other questions or comments?

So, let's say the transit is in February. So, when is the next opportunity to put this in a bolet? Probably next April.

Well, I don't know, next year. I'll bring my list, but I can get you that information.

Statutory opportunities for local elections.

For the notice of 75 days.

So I think you have, I'll give you a goal. Maybe you want a goal. Your goal date should be, you know, your decision related to the evaluation of needs. You are really confirming the, you know, priority. Confirming the evaluations you made, the priorities, and then the financing, the financing focus.

We are financing.

An improvement of capital.

Operation and maintenance. And then the additions of LEOTS. Tal vez como una entidad separada, igual las reputaciones de animales, tal vez como una asamblea separada.

Pero debería haber una recomendación para cierto plazo. Estoy pensando, ya sabes, si la oportunidad está disponible en abril.

Tendríamos que fijar la elección creo que en enero. Quizás tal vez en la primera reunión de febrero también necesito revisar mi hoja de cálculo. There is the possibility that you have to go back so many days to notify the Electoral Board and then it is an ordinance, so it requires a first and second reading. So that really reduces our time. The other problem is that you will see in your next agenda or in that first September agenda the contract for the evaluation of police space needs. So that hasn't started yet and the committee will have to review it once it is finished and that will take some time to obtain.

Existe la posibilidad de que la única pregunta sobre tránsito, si no es febrero, será junio. Así que eso realmente te da un poco más de margen de tiempo para poder retroceder desde un día de elección, ya sea septiembre o agosto.

Pero enviaremos al consejo la lista de todas las fechas potenciales para... Definitivamente las compartiremos con el comité también para que puedan usarlas mientras elaboran estrategias.

Creo que hay un bono de instalaciones municipales, complejo municipal. 2018 que vence pronto o 20. No lo hicimos. El bono de instalaciones municipales, emitimos los bonos tarde porque estaba esperando la biblioteca. Así que no creo que esos se vayan a pagar en el próximo año o dos. 2002. It was approved by the voters in 2008, issued in 2019. I was thinking that would be a bonus program that would be expired. But yes, I would say that one year, I mean, yes, ambitiously, if they could bring something together, but they would have to have a recommendation for us in December. You have to get one. When the council, you... possible conversation about the needs of firefighters and we were in an environment of 150 million dollars for all of this. Chup. The next morning I met with the municipal administrator of Broken Arrow and he was describing the questions of the general fund of those 240 million dollars. There were six questions and the voters approved five. There were five questions and the voters approved four. And I thought that his ability to educate the public and say here it is, what is the need? 740 million dollars approved by the voters. And I thought it changed my feeling a bit about whether 150 million is a lot. Well, we are seeing other agencies of similar size assume substantially greater commitments than that. So that's just something to think about. Do we still need that list of Kim? ¿Pero qué la tenemos? La tenemos. ¿Gastos actuales del impuesto sobre ventas para seguridad pública hasta hoy? ¿Y cuál fue el costo final de todo? Lo tendrán mañana. And then that to show that the station of Bombero 5 is the last one and here we go and here we go. So also to help illustrate that we have done a lot with the public safety sales tax in the last almost 20 years since the first one was approved. So all those facilities are working and we are using those trucks to the maximum. There is no Moe in any of these fire stations that I know of. At least not in the 8th and 9th. And I hope not in the others either, but not in the 9th. Very good. Any other questions about this for now? Thanks to the staff. We hope to discuss this more in depth. The third point is the consideration of moving to an executive session, as authorized by the Oklahoma Statutes, to discuss a possible litigation related to the acquisition of road rights in connection with Phase 3 of the 36th Avenue Van project, from Indian Hill Road to Moore City, and discuss the possible sale of real estate located on 608 East Lindsay Street. I need a motion to raise the special session and call for an executive session.