Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

Chairman chairman call the order the uh city of county commission um we have here we have four we call to uh we got uh let's see we have uh seven division and a uh retail not Yes. So, uh we got two a subdivision, a wer and a res. So, the uh the subdivision and the barracks would be filed uh after 10 days from day Texas appeal. The uh reason comes up. It will come out next uh for introduction next meeting and then the 23rd and then the 23rd file for final vote for the city council right here 5:00. Uh I typically um no comments are made when it's introduced next Monday, but if somebody shows up and it does not it says here the final meeting typically they let them talk and it suggest anybody interested in uh show up at the first meeting just in case somebody wants to talk. uh the manner in which we'll take you'll hear from the we'll get a short summary from the director after I read the applica the the applications indicated on the agenda and then uh the D come forward and tell us what they intend to do. Then we will hear from anybody else on behalf of the uh application. Um and

then we'll hear from anyone in opposition to the application and then the uh applicant or his designate will have a short rebug uh to what the opponents said. Uh our next meeting I think will be July 1st. Is that correct? July 8th I think cuz I think the first is on a Wednesday. Tuesday. Is it a Tuesday? Okay. So, I want to make sure we didn't change. So, it is the first. All right. We'll get to that at the end. Any more comments about that? No, sir. You have uh number two roll call. Walter Johnson here. Satie Sawyer. Ricky Mallister here. Michael Lewis. Isaac Lewis here. Charles the third here. Bobby Claymore here. Alexis. All right. The commissioners have been provided minutes from the prior meeting on May 6, 2025. If there are no additions, corrections or deletion, I entertain motion to uh dispense with the formal meetings and accept the motion by second Johnson. All in favor say I. I post like sign I'll sign at the conclusion of the meeting. Uh number four, old business is no old business. Is that director? No all business. Uh number five, new business. subsection 521 at John Hall on South Dragon Drive uh to resone uh and subdivide the following location uh a

2.91 acre track of land located in section 771 and 72 township 9 north 87 west a Louisiana as shown on the plat survey by Mr. 24 land survey dated March 2425 be bordered on the west by south drive on the north by the times on the east by Thomas and on the south by delic highway it says on the highway we will bypass but I think that's highway properties that again it says lots and highway one bypass but I believe it's high one property yes uh what they're going to do is resone from Iowa one, industrial one to residential three. The reasons to sell property council person number two, exhibit number one, commissioners packet. I believe it's the purple uh the purple section. My guess is it Logan Thompson was that? Yes, I guess technically the succession of Logan and Thomas along with us. uh that did you receive uh would you summarize the application if you need to do anything else? So looking at the plat this actually is a 2.9 acre being subdivided for over 23 something acres I think Mr. Bernard is that correct I rep Mr. Shane Doza and your question. How many acres totally is in the 2.9 2.91? Yeah, but it's been subdivided for how many how many other acres is it? It's a larger track, right? That it's been cut from it's been cut from the old track that encompasses the and I think it's like itself almost 29 acres is what it was that it's been subdivided from. This is that front that faces the the

highway to the highway. Correct. And again, as you stated, it's being changed, the zoning has been changed from I1 to R3, subdividing the uh 2.9 acres from the 30 tracks of acres. Mr. Bernard, if you're hearing bad, would you come forward and just break down what is planned to be done? Mr. Doz is a builder and he would like to come up and and start doing some business in Nacadesh and he wanted to start with that tractor of land. He's going to build some really nice rentals. We're starving for rentals and we're also starving for we're losing we've lost so many of our builders in the last few years. really Thomas Monks. Um uh we just lost four or five of our really good builders and uh so people come to us. I as a realtor deal with them on a daily basis and they're looking for somebody to build houses. He would like to come and start but he's going to start with this track u and and try to put some really nice u stuff down. He's building in the 260 280 a foot range which is nice stuff. It's not uh it's not junk. And uh he's built in several parishes over the state uh but mostly in Alexandria and that's what he intends to do with that. Any questions Mr. Commission? So he brings his own business with him. He Yeah, he has his own construction business and and he's the he is the builder. Uh you say that average prices of the

house house will be 260. I asked I asked him a question just to uh that's a good range for a builder to be in that 260 to 280 a foot range. That's about well I started this 19 years ago. You you could build a lot cheaper than that. But he he he just says he builds real good stuff and and that's the range he would build when if he came up here and started building house range there in the two 260 to 280 range. How many houses? I don't I don't know how many he will put in there yet. Okay. He'll bring he'll bring us a plat once he can okay that he can build there and of course have to bring 2.91 acres you know if you talking house 260,000 you ain't going to get a bunch of them into almost 3 acres right right no these these will be rentals that he's putting there uh I don't know if it'll be individual I think they're going to be individual you know construction and you could probably Get I would think you get two or three in there or four maybe at the most. Sound like to me talking about apartments. You sure he's not talking about? No, he's not talking about apartments. These are uh single uh story. Single story dwellings. And as soon as I get something from him, once he gets an okay to build, then I'll I'll bring you a a sketch of stuff that he is intending on, you know, doing. But from what I gather from him and the people that know him, he knows what he's doing and he'd like to come up here and start building. Mr. Bernard, I I have

questions. Appears to be a surge at the time. Well, they they surveyed a 2.4 acre track. You might have the wrong track. I'm pretty sure with us and this is the times. That's a times track. that that's not the tracked uh but it looks like it was commissioned by uh the daughter of the this year. So where's the surve that should be at your hold in there? Okay. I don't have so we have more than one [Music] if you guys we have that one more track but the one you put in our package is right here. Okay. So this is the one that they brought paper and this is the right [Applause] that is right there. See that's a show scale. That's what that means. That's why it looks narrow. That's why it looks bigger than it is here. So this right [Music] here is correct. This is 2.9. How wide is that? We get a road in there.

Commissioners also remember though even though he's asking to change the zoning before he can be approved to build. He would have to show us a site plan development and then that would have to come back in for us if a road is going to be constructed to show if it's going to be individual lots because right now he has just one lot that he's resoning to R3. So he actually he's going to have to prove he's going to have to show us what he want to do for that subdivision development. Especially since it's just going to be a one piece. We don't have to subdivide it, but it's going to be a subdivision development, meaning that he's going to have more than one home. Other houses. Yeah, he has the show like Glendale right there just at the edge of town right before you get to where and you don't have to over the balance of the property over here has access but the black even if he doesn't have to come before you guys you still will be able to come to the office to look at what's been presented sure um is [Music] question I'm going to make a comment to you that I paid to several other people who put things. This is the original industrial park

uh for the city before the bypass. So I don't hear any complaint that y'all put residential in I3. If I get complaints, director get complaints that the neighborhood is not acting like a residential subdivision. It is not [Music] act. It's just like when they put that child across from it if it was fit, but I didn't want to hear anybody sleep in the middle of the doctor. Same thing here. So we review the ground and they [Music] start noise all kinds of things they can do that you can't do in residency to tell your guy you know he wants to do it. Well, he thinks he thinks that u that close to Northwestern that he will be able to u warn you that this is the middle of the original and just to be full tonight, right? And I'm I'm sure he searched the town over and it's it's hard to find those kind of places to build and it it right across the 200 employees. Right. But it doesn't work there anymore. Right. Any

more questions about discussion with Mr. Bernard? Any other information you need? All right. Is it anybody else speak on behalf of the application Thomas? Is it Thomas? No, this is actually the application. Anybody else want to speak the application? Mr. John is the applicant. All right. Uh, anyone want uh talk in opposition to the application? hearing none. Uh this there'll be no there's no no opposition discussion by commissioner motion by second motion by mister second by Lewis. All in favor say I. I oppose like sign. U Mr. Nort sign today. uh when they approve if they approve it at September 3rd meeting you will be required to pick it up bringing Mr. stay filed and bring uh the office back in a max line and is instrument number back. You heard what I said about next Monday it's supposed to be introduced. Nobody's supposed to talk but if somebody see grandkids in Houston or Detroit or Los Angeles and they come up say that typically I don't talk. My suggestion is calm and nobody push their way to the front. Sit down and be quiet and uh give this back to me on the Monday to approve it. It be 10 days before it's final which put you right around the 4th of July. Uh just to get

it back to her uh the following Monday. Well, I think two two months because there's other people in the city that have to sign it and they have a Tuesday morning meeting of all the department heads. So, she just break all sign or if you prefer you can take it down everybody else, but that's what I usually I I know you have. But we we've got a better system now in sign all. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. [Music] 54.27 Williams Avenue for the location described as getting in the northwest corner of lot of the ash crash sub ash crash subdivision. Go north 05 degrees 22 minutes 40 seconds east of business 4.06 ft. Vince go north 42° 18 minutes 40 seconds east 82.84 uh ft. Vince go north 04° 55 minutes east 238.07 ft to the right of way of Williams Avenue. Then on the right of Williams Avenue 80 ft. Then south 40° 55 minutes west 140 ft. Then let's go south 89° 39 minutes 30 seconds east 130.00 ft. Let's go south 5° 20 minutes west 4.7 ft to the northeast corner of block four of the ashtra subdivision. Let's go north to 46 degrees 18 minutes 50 seconds west along the northeast boundary of the Ashtra subdivision a distance of 349.49 49 ft to the point of beginning in section

1897 1517 Williams Avenue that reasons to construct a privacy fence district number one council uh council district one exhibit number two in your uh in your packet u if the applicant or the design come forward while I get summary from the uh director This is actually a uh twotory 8,000 something maybe a take a th000 or less square foot house that's being built on Williams Avenue and what they're requesting to do is to build a 6ft gate and then around the house they want to do a 6ft fence. They did not provide to me the type of material for the fence, whether it's going to be a hurricane fence, a wood fence, or anything like that. So, I'm not sure what they were presenting. Um, unfortunately, I don't think anybody's here to represent the office. Um, how did it get to this property, Alpha Williams? Well, I'm show. [Music] Okay, I see. You see it? I see it. That guy like salad that they own. Okay. I guess so. Why did it be our permission to build? Well, because our ordinance does not give us permission for a 6ft fence in the front of the side yard 6t down

here has to be 6 ft side has to be ft. They're asking for a 6ft gate on the front and 6 ft on the side. Well, you know, typically we don't uh have if you had any any uh body responding letters or sent anything. No, right now they're all the houses. So, you know, they haven't question. I mean, it's a beautiful house and I can understand why they want a fence, but I don't have any uh information on the type of fence. Normally we don't take these things up if nobody's here call me application say I I like stand also me as the director [Music] probably 5.3 Yucas Chandra debug at 119 City Street on the south side of city street in the west 20 ft of lot three and the east 20 ft of lot 4 the pearson lot city street special exception operated shortcut council person district number four and exhibit number three

uh would you tell anything else need to be added to this I did receive an email from someone at trinityla org. And this is what she wrote. She says, "I'm writing on behalf of myself and several other residents on Sydney Street and Nagades. Sydney is a narrow two-way street that is only one block long, but is highly trafficated and also filled with residents on either side. There is not adequate residential parking for most and thus and they must park in their yards if they if they do not have driveways. Guests and workers parking on the street generally impede traffic, particular if the parking if they park on both sides of the street. There's also overhang of shrubbery and tree branches that further impeach two-way traffic and safety and parking along the street. About half of the residents of Sydney Street are in rental property and the other half are owner residents. This lot in and of itself is not an issue as far as rental is concerned, but it must be considered that no one in Sydney has clear residential parking on the street, but take their chances and can impede traffic. That said, if this site is a rental, that should be explained. And also that guests that park on the property lines of other res of other residents or block their drives may be told, particularly if they attempt to park overnight. Since it is a short-term rental application, assuming is a B&B situation, a renters should be provided with off street parking to provide further issues. And this is for Miss Caroline Abru, uh, parish administrator for the Trinity Episcopal Church and Preschool. And that was the only um notification call or anything uh, reference to the city street. She's

just running down that area. She's just using [Music] Do we have any plans on this? Not yet. Not yet. Do they have parking spots for this? I'm not sure if they have parking. I think I'm not sure what their parking is on this one. We're going to have the applicant to say what parking is. All right. Uh we would uh say come forward before we go any further. The provision city requiring off street parking as far as No, that is business. Yes. hand left street doesn't go that way. Yes. So this is not it's in historic in the national landmark historic district. Correct. I'm sorry. Um tell us about your application. So, we're planning to put put the listing on Airbnb and mostly it seems like parking is the problem which is like everybody's kind of like rental on that side and parking in the street or either they have a front yard parking. We also have a like bigger space on the front yard where you can tell the guests to park. So, parking is going to be the issue. is because of the board. You got to have you

got that also be subject to the size of the parking application as well. It would be it would be um but according to the short-term rental ordinance itself, it states that you have to at least provide two parking spaces. So it's like approved for parking if they don't already have it if they have to provide parking. Does this place have a driveway? Does that have parking now? You have drive. You don't have any So it's parking on the side of the street. Yeah. So you don't probably have room for parking. There is no park. Probably on the side of the street. That's what the letter was stating that all the parking is on the side of the street on city. Very few places, very few places park in the yard. Airbnb. So that changes things, bro. I mean, even if you open it as a Airbnb, they have no place to park. There is no front yard parking. Is there any outside? Is there no room outside? off and the whole street like that. You have some places on Sydney that allows you to park in the yard, but the majority of parking on Sydney is on the side of the street. They have access to Hold on. We're going to pull it up. Give us one second. She's going to pull it up and then we'll be able to see you. It's the front yard. Like the front yard is like really open. So if you want to make a parking or get onto it, it's really easy. There's no block in the front. So you're getting onto the yard.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. And we have a space on the front yard for them to park. It's just not a parking space yet or we don't we haven't used it yet. But we do have a space for it. Won't you consider using that? We have no problem with that. Just give us a minute. We'll be able to pull it up and you can actually see it. That's how 197. Which is this one it? Yes. The duplex. Yes. So, it is a duplex. Mhm. Okay. It's It's duplex, but it's the same house. Like, it it just has a two door, but if you go into it from both doors, it's the same house. So, one that's No, we're talking about this. Yeah. All right. They have the little two driveways in the corner. Yeah. Sidewalk. Let Let me help explain that a little bit better. So like right now wait that's okay but not stay

close but your name. Okay my name is Tanya Price. I'm a realtor at Kane River realy. I've been managing the property for over a year now. Uh we've done monthly rentals. It's fully furnished. Um and I've had companies come in and rent 8 months at a time. He's wanting to now convert to Airbnb and try to pick up some other people in between whenever I don't have a big company in here with a bunch of contractors. But right here where this grass area is, I can point and show you right in this area right here. The guys have been pulling in and two cars can fit. No, one behind the other. Somebody's That's not Well, if somebody pulls in, you can put two bars just like if I pull up behind you. That's not parking. I'm not saying any part of that. I'm just saying by side, you could do side by side, but up to this point, we haven't done side by side. So, but I mean, if you want to say side by side, is there room to put side by side? Yes, you can put side. I don't say anything. I can't. Yeah. And then we got to close to That's Yeah, we need to do side by side. That's what they're wanting. There is enough room on his yard where his laundry gun is right here to go back over and it has two parts for it. I want to make sure you understand what you're saying. It's not what we want. We the legisl we can do that. I mean, uh, if that's what the requirements is, obviously you got to follow. That's all

everybody's after. But, uh, up to this point, there's been two cars or three course. Actually, I think at one point we have four people there. So, and then we're full size. [Music] are a special exception to do their It's a special exception to do the Airbnb. Are they asking? That's what we're asking for to be able to do an Airbnb because right now we're not there. But you are zoned R1 right now. But it's a duplex that anyway. Well, it's just one. It's one unit. Those doors, it's not actually divided. There's no divi division in them. It would be like having two front doors to your choose not because it's husband. So you just want to add the special exception for the Airbnb anyway. Correct. So, but you're going to require. So, the only thing that they would have to do though is to go before HTC and ask for parking. Now, one thing that I do know HDC may not approve is it being concrete. Um, they may say do a gravel driveway as long as it's a driveway, right? That that fits the historic district layout or ordinance. So that would drive you. Mhm. Right.

Correct. Correct. You just want them side by side. the exercise. Yeah, that's fine. So, should we recommend that we table the application, have it go before HDC, get approval for park, and then bring the application back? Sounds good to me. I'll f say I sign. So, um, it'll still be next month. Okay. I wish I would have realized that sooner only because it's just sitting there. But it's okay. These are online. I know it's online even though I don't have to help guide people where they need to go what they look at you just have to have make sure you get it done by the commission and then if they do it then that's how Anybody does anybody here in opposition to the application of so other than uh you know cuz chairman not to interrupt the only other thing we can do is um we can reach out to the historic district tell them what they're planning to do how they want to do the parking lot and we actually can administrator to approve it and go that route instead of having to go Y'all will reconsider the motion and approve subject to agency

approved. Yeah. Can I have a motion to send the prior motion table? I move. Motion by Clay to rescend. Second by uh Mallister. All in favor rescending the table say I. I. All oppose like. So we're back to where we were. Uh, can I have a motion to approve the application by Modi subject to the approval by the agency of the parking rankings? Motion. Motion by second by Lewis. All in favor say I. I. Okay. So, you're approved by us. You have to get HGC approved it because this is a resone. It technically it takes an ordinance to amend the master map. So, it's introduced next Monday. I told you about show up. If nobody talks, just don't say anything. Uh and then show up on the 23rd. That'll be your final passage. And uh you think you can uh she probably reach out to the HC approved until the approved. Well, I'll reach out to them. just to give them a heads up of what's coming. Um, we still have to lay over the July. Yes. Okay. And it would be roughly the reason only roughly finally to go through that July board cuz it's 10 days after the uh city. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. And please call if you have questions or or the director. Yeah. Yes, please. Come by. Show me what you're planning on doing. We don't want to talk to you. Show me a layout of what material or what you want to do for

Okay. I got a quick question. You're saying gravel. They're okay with gravel. Okay. Probably completely crushed some. Correct. Okay. I'll get you a stitch. That'll work. That'll work. Thank you. Uh row number six activities. Um we don't have any office activities, but we do have ones that wanted to step in and talk about a previous application. Um I did not get an application for the agenda. Request a correct. All right. But we do have persons here that have questions about the development of the school. Oh, that's kind of extension or whatever it is for right there. It's not on the agenda and it looks like folks are here. Do you all the agenda to hear what these ladies have to say? Uh yes. Motion by caster to move the agenda to discuss life church. Is that what it's called? Second by Lewis. All in favor the agenda. I guess we'll call this 6.1 on the agenda. Okay. All in favor say I. I. All right. So ladies, if y'all come up one at a time and tell us what uh what your concerns are, I'm going just point out to you that you know without an agenda item, you know, we're unable to prepare to discuss it with you, but we'll do the best we can with our Yes, sir. Thank you. Um my name is Kristen Carpenter. I live at 113 Shinkapin Place which is

located in Shinkapin subdivision which is directly adjacent to the church property. Um I'm here to just voice my concerns proposed to Freedom Life's Church on their proposed building of additional buildings for the school and there is um word of a sports complex being built behind um on the property. Um, I just have a concern because my um, house does not have a fence or any kind of barrier and it has direct access to the property of the church. Um, and that to me just, you know, is an increased risk for myself, my children, um, when it comes to our privacy, security, and over our overall quality of life. Um, like I said, right now my yard is opened and just the potential risk of having other children or if a sports complex is built, other individuals being able to access my property. It's just a safety concern for me. Um, with, you know, lighting noise and things of that nature with our subdivision being, you know, in a residential environment. Um, I do respect the mission of the church. I just don't believe that it's I mean, it's an eyesore if uh if I can say so myself. I know I can speak on other members of our um subdivision. Um I do have some photos of where the church has had direct access to my property. There is a drainage uh ditch I guess you would like to say or a culbert that's located on my property. Um that I think is the city's but it's on my property and my husband and myself pay to get it maintained. Uh but the the um Freedom Life Church has accessed my property to start construction for the buildings and for what I can tell is going to be the sports complex. So you tell me that there Yes, sir. I have a couple photos.

Will your concerns also be profited value? Yes, sir. Little bit of new construction on the clean property. Not more. Yes, sir. You can hear and about privacy for the resist. I think that was one of the requirements when they when we approved it. [Music] Okay. Is this your property here? Um, so this hole, it's like a it's like a strange hole that I don't know how to explain it. It's just a dangerous on our property. And so our property line runs through the hole kind of through the like my property runs about the top. Yeah, it is. Yes, sir. I'm at the other end and I own about two feet over that. If it comes down like this parallel to that and I side

[Music] this will be it is viewed and it's recorded. So just need to make sure we have everybody. Okay. Yeah. So what we can do is look back and find those minutes from that application that was approved when we approved this development to see what the requirements were. But because this is already done, this is actually a fight between the school and the residents. Well, I guess we can look back how it came down and then they recently got that special church in there. Mhm. Yes, sir. I watched the video from 2023 and it was that they had three pieces of property that they just joined into one. I think one big piece of property for 20 years or so. Oh, that's okay. It was this is I think a [Music] reassembly of a parent when they went into those lingu and they go all the way back. But I think they had the irony of what they have now split up. So we just have to look to see uh when they got approved for that if it was if it was the giant track or the uh sub. No, no, it doesn't. R1, it's a R1. Had it been a commercial, then a commercial

business requires them to put up a church with R1. Yes. Church, but R1 special and schools require secondary schools called require planning commission approved. So, you know, we just look at that and see all those applications, see what they were approved on cuz they got special reception to the church in there. That's not the authority to run school, but that's 20 years ago. I don't remember involved at that time since there was a church there. I don't know. I seem to remember I seem to remember the house sale had them pull the game approve because if I remember right if I remember right they were going to have entries southside said you were in the bottom that you can't do that and then put the the drive on there and then that same freedom right because we don't know what the rules are told us these are the rules and they may But remember that I guess

that that's one of the things you know one of these brought up parking. So I I don't know. We just need to look see if it was approved. Uh amendment for sue says it requires planning which is approval promoted approval of location site plan being appropriate transportation access of the facilities not causing a new traffic congestion creating traffic hazard as being in harmony with development of district. I might have I don't remember being in request [Music] school church and then they get into city [Music] church I don't remember back 2005 Mr. I reached out to the church of I have no sir. All right. Well, and just another concern of [Music]

mine. That has been submitted to the state fire marshal as far as um what they look at for these children. So they've been approved for say the drain plan has been approved by engineer which the plan they got approved for all of that road there going down the right side of the property where they're going next to the The next [Music] [Music] one whether they come back to school or whatever next time action try to figure out what's going on. Yes sir. Yes. Did you want to say something? I was basically the same situation I live right next door. So just Okay. Um my name is Danielle Cobb. I live at 115 Chica Pin Place directly next door to Kristen and I have the exact same concerns. Um, we have neighbors who have the portable buildings going in their backyards and I have two young children that play in the backyards all the time and safety is my number one concern for my children and especially whenever I heard that the sports complex could potentially be built. That threw a red flag right there for me. So, um, I just heard Shantrell mention that the drainage plan had been approved. So, that's reassuring because flooding was one thing that my husband and I were definitely concerned about. Um, because we do have low areas in our backyard. Our previous homeowners had to install a drainage ditch in our yard because the drainage is not very good in

that area. So, that was really just my same concerns that Kristen had, just trying to make sure that everything's, you know, being followed as it should. So, all right. Thank you. We appreciate it. All right. next time I guess uh put it under old business I guess. Okay, we'll talk about that. Uh is that it? That's it. That is it. Mr. Favor motion to second by Johnson.