Transportation Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

To call to order the meeting of the transportation advisory board for the city of Naperville for Thursday, 05/01/2025. Mister Prussen, would you please take roll call? Mister Hurley? Here. Mister Kurzynski? Here. Mister Laird? Here. Mister Milanope? Here. Miss Niere? Here. Mister Neibel? Here. Miss Rose? Here.

Mister Webb? Here.

Pleased to say we have a quorum and an official meeting. Welcome to all those joining us in person. We've got a nice attendance in the room here tonight and those watching us on TV as well. Sincere thank you to our CAB volunteers who set up tonight to serve our community, always appreciate them, and as well as the professional staff. May is a time of change in Naperville for their boards, and and this May is no different. Different. This will be the final meeting for five of our members, and I just wanna call them out and thank them for their service. City council representative Jennifer Susan Taylor, their last meeting. Board member, Alex James, just had her last meeting and there's no other with us. So we certainly thank her for her service.

Our two student representatives, Arsupai and Risha Bansal, they both will will be their last meeting, and there'll be one more that we'll talk about later. So we thank all of you for your service very much. And is there anything you wanna say before we move on to your agenda? Sure.

First, I've heard my story many times, and that's how I got involved. Right? Fab. But I've seen YouTube for quite some time. Just right? And mom's concerned about pedestrian safety in neighborhood. Started coming to meetings, started expressing my opinions. Actually, read those traffic 117 traffic reports. I may have been the only one at times. But, no, it's been a wild ride.

The last many, many years. Very excited I got to spend time as the first city council liaison to have. It's been very fitting. And and, you know, I would say I'm gonna I'm gonna really miss you. Many of you, and now I'm gonna miss you.

I'm not gonna see you up here. I attend evenings anymore. So, you know, I I will say I'm gonna couple words out to you if I can. You have you know, a a great leader up here. Did always a great job of looking at different sides of the issues, looking for residents, looking for staff, and trying to weigh what was the best position. And so, you know, it's a very calm demeanor for, you know,

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you for your service to the community and to our board. We appreciate your service. And as you said, I remember you coming up here with your with your homeowners association talking about traffic, traffic calming devices, so We've been having a long time and and it certainly had your transportation spikes. So and I was Downtown Chicago. They had run over the speed bumps near LSD, I thought about you a bit. Know where these came from. Alright. Well, thank you. Alright. So we will move to the public forum. Mister Prusa, we have anyone signed up to speak with the public forum? Yes. We have two speakers. The first speaker is mayor Scott Wurley. Mister Ruelly, welcome to the welcome to the podium.

Thank you. Well, this is a very special evening for for you, Mike, as as chair and and soon to be retired chair of the Transportation Advisory Board. It's been a privilege to watch you over the years serving in this capacity. This is kind of a thankless job, and each and every one of you volunteer to be here to give back to the your community. And and Mike, as one of the longest serving chairs of the commission in recent history anyhow, you have done an amazing job.

And I think all of Naperville has been served by your service, and we cannot thank you enough for all of that. So it's my honor to give you a little bit of, recognition. I'm gonna approach the diet if that's okay.

Mister mister Francis. Well, that was unexpected. Mr. Prusso, do we have another member signed up to speak? That was my mistake earlier.

There are no more speakers as part of the public forum. Are you sure? Because I'm ready for more. Okay. Very good. We will close the public forum and open up to section d, reports and recommendations. Your first item is twenty five dash zero four four two, approval of the minutes of the 03/13/2025 Transportation Advisory Board. Each of you have been provided with a copy of the minutes from the previous meeting. And do we have a motion to discuss the minutes? So moved.

We have a motion for mister Webb and a second for mister Hurley. Do we have any corrections, additions, revisions to the minutes as submitted? Hearing none, mister Prucek, we'll take the roll call vote. All those in favor, signify by saying aye. Those opposed, nay. Mister Hurley? Aye. Mister Krasinski? Aye. Mister Laird? Aye. Mister Milanichi? Aye. Miss Niere?

Aye. Mister

Neibel? Aye. Miss

Rose? Aye.

Mister West? Aye. Motion passes unanimously. The minutes are approved as submitted. Next up is item 25 dash zero five zero seven. Received a presentation on existing traffic conditions and public input related to the road improvement plan. And I believe that mister Hines will be introducing this and then introducing, a speaker on this topic. Is that correct? That's correct. You have

the floor, sir. Traffic flow on major road streets has long has has been a longstanding concern identified through past community surveys. Minimizing congestion on an arterial road reduces travel travel delay emissions and unnecessary traffic in neighborhoods. Between 1988 and 2008, the city of Naperville assessed the road impact fee as part of the development process. The purpose of this fee was to assess developers for their proportionate share of the cost to accommodate the additional trips generated on our arterial road system.

A key component of the impact to be processed was the creation of a road improvement plan. This plan consisted of a list of numerous road corridors and intersection capacity improvements needed to reasonably accommodate projected traffic. Several of the projects included in the last road improvement plan, such as intersection improvements at 75th And Washington and the widening of Northborough Road west of Route 59 that was recently completed in 2023, have been implemented over the last seventeen years. Since the impact fee program was discontinued in 2008 and we are reaching the end of our twenty year plan, an updated analysis of current and projected traffic conditions on April Road Road network that started last year. The updated road improvement plan will identify the location of road and intersection capacity issues and the modifications needed to reach successful levels of service, which is vehicle delay and traffic flow through 2050.

Tonight, Rory Fansler, transportation planner with Kimberly Horn, is here to discuss the existing conditions analysis and summarize the results of our public engagement process. At a future tab meeting, we'll return to to discuss the future conditions of projected traffic volumes as well as preliminary recommendations for the updated road improvement plan. Upon city council approval, these improvements will be incorporated into the city's capital improvement program as new projects to be evaluated in further detail. So with that, I will turn the presentation over to Elaine. Welcome, Elaine.

Thank you. So Andy, stole my thunder on some stuff, but we'll we'll work through it. I'll try not to be duplicative. We do have a number of slides to get through. We've kind of broken it up, in some discussion areas.

So if the board chooses, I'll kind of pause, and we can talk through any questions or comments as we work through it. Or if you would prefer to hold until the end, I'll kind of react as we go to to your preferences. But the the presentation this evening is organized around four key discussion topics. This includes a general overview of the road improvement plan, primary scope elements, an initial review of the existing roadway network, as Andy mentioned,

specifically the arterial and collector roadways, a summary of the public input process and feedback received to date, and then we'll close the discussion with next steps. Again, as

Andy Andy mentioned, the intent is is to introduce the road improvement plan update, the RIP update, so kinda use those interchangeably. And then we'll return at a future meeting date to walk through the projected year 2050 traffic conditions and proposed or recommended improvements. So with that, we'll kind of jump into an overview of the road improvement plan. So the the primary purpose of this, as Andy mentioned, is to define roadway segment and intersection improvements to address capacity constraints or in some cases potentially capacity opportunities where there may be excess capacity, and a road diet potentially could be explored. The plan is intended to represent opportunities for improvements over the next twenty years.

And as a part of that, through this planning process that we'll work through together, your twenty fifty traffic volumes would be projected for the area for for the city's roadway network and then analyzed to define opportunities for improvement. As a part of this planning process, the following goals on the screen before you happen to find, as Andy mentioned, improved flow on major traffic streets in the city, which ultimately supports the city's mobility goals and minimizes unnecessary traffic from neighborhood streets. Inform the city's capital improvement program based on the capacity analysis. Again, future improvements will be defined. Each improvement will include a planning level cost estimate.

This will help the city plan future investment and opportunities for outside funding. The plan will also identify opportunities to minimize congestion, which reduces travel times and lowers emissions to support the city's ongoing sustainability efforts. And then I'll mention a quick note. The focus of this plan is not bicycle and pedestrian. This is a capacity driven plan.

The city will initiate a separate planning process, a separate bicycle and pedestrian plan, which is expected to be begin later this year. So as Andy mentioned, the previous road improvement plan included a number of projects, which we have seen be implemented over the years. These improvements that are highlighted on the screen and others included in the previous road improvement plan were identified again to address capacity constraints. But I will add that the city does incorporate pedestrian and bicycle design elements where appropriate. So, for example, at 75th Street in Washington, the overall improvement to include additional through lane, an additional left turn lane, dedicated right turn lanes, all of that was a capacity driven improvement.

However, the city did incorporate bicycle and pedestrian design elements as a part of that project, including the crosswalks, the pedestrian countdown signals, and obviously the underpass. So we would expect that as projects that we identify through this planning process move forward through the design phase and ultimately construction, that, again, bicycle and pedestrian elements will be incorporated as appropriate. A quick overview of the overall planning process. As Andy mentioned, we initiated this project late last year. We have completed an analysis of the existing traffic conditions.

This included an open house in January, which we'll talk a little bit more about in a few minutes. We also had an online, public engagement exercise in February which closed mid February. And so the focus of tonight's conversation is around the summary of those findings. Following tonight's moving meeting, we'll move forward through the future year traffic analysis, and we'll be back again to present those findings at a later date. So what is the RIP?

As Andy mentioned, traffic conditions have been a point of discussion in the city for a while, most notably in the 2023 Naperville community survey where 54% of respondents indicated traffic flow on major streets is good or excellent. So some opportunity for improvement. And then what what it is is really we've kind of defined this already, so we won't get into it in any great deep detail, but I think a key focus is that this is a planning process, and the improvements will be defined but not designed. So this is not a design process. This is not prepping for construction.

The intent of this is to lay out the framework for future design and future construction. So we will identify a list of capacity driven improvements which will ultimately be implemented over the course of the next twenty years. As a part of the future design process and future construction phases, there will be future opportunities for public involvement as the projects are further defined and designed. So this is a planning level exercise. So what is not included in the RIP?

The RIP focuses on city arterials and collector roadways. What is not included is improvements to IDOT, DuPage County, Will County, and Township roadways. These agencies have a separate planning process to plan for future improvements within their light of way. That includes the IDOT five year highway and multimodal improvement program, which is highlighted on the screen, as well as the DuPage County comprehensive road improvement plan, and then two examples. The road improvement plan is not intended to be a list of all potential intersection and roadway improvements, but rather a list of priority improvements to specifically address capacity, constraints, or opportunities.

I'll note that a planning level feasibility review will be completed for all projects to help this to help define the distinction between a list of all potential opportunities and a list of priorities. That feasibility review will include a review of right of way, utility conflicts, setbacks and adjacent structures, wetlands, maintenance, and sustainability. That will inform, again, the more detailed review that will happen as a part of the future design phase. The road improvement plan, as we've noted, will not include pedestrian and bicycle focused improvements that will be incorporated as a part of a future planning effort that the city will conduct at again, anticipated to be in later this year. And then I've already touched upon the construction plan.

So I'll pause there before we kinda jump into the details of the analysis. Are there any questions? If the board chooses to ask questions now, I'm happy to, or if you'd like to pause or wait till the end.

Mister White? Yeah. I just

had a question. As I was reading through it, you know, the accountability and jurisdictions, so there's need to be three, and then we're adding in the pedestrian plan. And I assume there's gonna be overlap between, like, where the street streets need to be worked on and where the pedestrian plan needs to work be worked on and then jurisdictions across iDOT and.

Yeah. I can start, and Andy and Mike can chime in as well. But, again, these would all be the bicycle and pedestrian plan as well as the road improvement plan or planning documents. So to your point, as you move forward to implementation and you have projects that are identified through each planning study, which may impact the same intersection or roadway segment, that coordination would be defined as a part of the capital improvement program. So if you have, for example, a turn lane at an intersection as a part of the road improvement plan and a new crosswalk or an enhanced crossing identified as a part of the bicycle and pedestrian plan.

City staff would, define that as an opportunity to partner two projects through the capital improvement program. And then where appropriate, where multiagency coordination is required, that would be noted as a part of the implementation strategy in the capital improvement program.

Any other questions? None. Please try it.

And now we'll get into the leads and existing conditions analysis. Just to set set the stage, again, the focus on this for this study is arterial and collector roadway segments and intersections. So for just a little background, major arterial roadways which are shown in red here, an excerpt from the city's roadway classification map, A major arterial is intended to carry a higher volume of traffic and provide a route through the city. You'll typically see limited access, limited traffic control along these roadways. Examples in the city of Naperville include Route 59, Washington Street, and 75th Street, just for kind of context.

A minor arterial in this case on the screen shown in yellow, looks to be orange on the screen, generally provides connectivity within the city with access between major arterials and collector roadways. Examples would be Mill, Aurora, Chicago 87. And then finally, the collector roadway shown in green is intended to provide connectivity between residential areas and the arterial network. Examples would include Jefferson, Bailey, River. So, again, the road improvement plan is focused on these types of roadways fundamentally based on the premise that as and Andy touched on this, that as traffic flow is improved on these roadways, traffic will be encouraged to use these routes for their primary purpose in lieu of cut through routes through neighborhoods.

Further, I think it's important to note that the city also does have existing processes and the traffic calming toolkit in place to address neighborhood focused traffic concerns. So what what have we done? We've looked at a lot of data. So when we look at arterial and collectors in the city, that forms a total of a 162 intersections. Most of these are signal lines.

About 65% are signal lines. The remaining are under a stop control or yield control. We also evaluated traffic conditions on a 177 roadway segments throughout the city. We obtained traffic count data from both the city and IDOT Where there were gaps in data, replica data was referenced. Replica is a big data source which uses a variety of public and private data to generate traffic counts.

I will note that FHWA generally recognizes this as a reliable source of traffic estimates. And I'll also highlight, I think it's important to note that for purposes of this study, no data from 2020 was referenced. We recognize that 2020 had atypical traffic conditions attributable to the COVID nineteen pandemic. So 2020 was eliminated as a data source for our analysis. And then for those 104 signalized intersections, we did obtain signal timing data from the city, from DuPage County and IDOT.

And then based on our initial analysis, we did do field verification of signal timings at a number of intersections to verify, actual field conditions. So quick overview before we get into the results. For purposes of this study, we did create a synchro network to evaluate the operational conditions at both the signalized and un signalized intersections based on the volume of traffic, the existing traffic control, lane geometry, level of service was defined for each intersection, the approaches, movements at each intersection. Level of service is a measure of the operational condition or operational characteristics. You are all familiar with this.

You've read a bunch of traffic studies and seen a bunch of the different city staff. But a reminder, it's like a grade in school. A is generally free flow, limited delay. F represents significant delay, significant queues. F represents where your volume of traffic exceeds your capacity.

Consistent with the previous road improvement plan and IDOT standards, level service d is generally considered acceptable. In Downtown Naperville, level of service e is the acceptable threshold. I'll add a couple of minor notes which will kind of inform our next steps as we move into the future conditions analysis and ultimately improvements, but typically at a minor leg stop control intersection, you will see higher delay. A level of service e or a level of service f at stop controlled intersection does not mean the intersection is failing, does not necessarily mean you have a capacity issue. It is often a reflection of the fact that that roadway intersects with a heavily traveled arterial, and there's fewer gaps in traffic.

When we look at those, we tend to look more at queues and what is the queue condition, what is the length of delay in order to evaluate whether or not an improvement should be considered. And then, again, at a signalized intersection, you will often see higher delay on the minor street. Again, not necessarily meaning you have a capacity issue. What this typically means is it's a function of the signal timing. A lot of the signals in the city of Naperville are running a hundred and twenty second cycle length.

That minor leg is not receiving most of that time. Most of the time is going on the major arterial. And so if the minor leg waits for fifty five seconds or more, it will automatically default to a level of service fee. And so, again, in that situation, we look at what is the actual delay in terms of time and what is the queue condition. So, again, people kind of panic when they see an e or f, but it's not always indicative of a capacity issue.

And then for the roadway segment analysis, we referenced the FHWA simplified capacity calculation method, which considers the volume of traffic relative to the roadway characteristics, which includes a review of the number of travel lanes, traffic control, and whether or not the roadway is divided or undivided. So based on that, we have a summary of existing operational characteristics at the arterial and collector intersections and roadway segments throughout the city. For purposes of this exercise and this conversation tonight, we did break up the city into four quadrants just so that the map was somewhat legible. So Northwest, Northeast, Southwest, Southeast, the boundaries we referenced were generally Washington Street and 75th Street. So this first slide represents the Northwest quadrant of the city.

What we're looking at is a map of the segment intersection level of service. Level of service e is represented as red. Level of service f is represented as flat. For this area of the city, we have three segments identified as level of service e or f and a total of five intersections identified as level of service e or f. And we'll come back to what this means for the study moving forward.

The Northeast quadrant, we had three segments operating at levels service e or f based on existing traffic volumes and existing roadway characteristics, Washington Street, a portion of Washington Street, Ogden Avenue, and 75th Street segments, not the full, but a portion of 75th Street, and then the intersections of Naperville Road, Warrenville Road, the north, Northeast of the city Northeast portion of the city, and then Aurora Road and West Street, which has a private driveway on the north side. And I'm moving through this quickly. We can come back and discuss it if you'd like. The Southwest quadrant, the southern portion of Route 59 south of 95th Street, estimated to currently operate at level of service aft 248th Avenue, and L 111th Street were all identified as segments currently operating level service e or f, and then the intersection of Route 59 and Hassett Boulevard with a Hundred And 11th Street was estimated to operate at level service e. And then for the southeast quadrant, so, again, using 75th Street, there's other intersection shown on this map, I realized, but using 75th Street as the boundary, southeast quadrant, one segment was identified as operating at Level Service E 95th Street between Knock Road to Cheyenne Drive.

I will note that this is, largely a function of the segment length and proximity to the signalized intersection at Mock Knowles Road. I don't think this is a true capacity issue in this location but it is part of our analysis and so we did bring it forward to share with you. So then we put together a summary of these locations because we thought it was easier to see the overall city performance in a summary table as well as the map. So this table represents a summary of all intersections estimated to operate at an overall level of service e. This includes all the intersections in all four quadrants.

So across the city, you have four intersections which currently operate at a level of service e. In this case, all of these intersections are not are under DuPage County or IDOT jurisdiction. So these are not part of the road improvement plan scope because in this case, all four approaches of these intersections with the exception of the last two where the city does have jurisdiction over North Rural Road and Hassett on 111th, but the first two are all four approaches or under other agency jurisdiction as well as signals. The city of Naperville has no jurisdiction over the first two intersections. The last two, we will take a closer look at the approaches, North Aurora Road and Hassler Boulevard on 1111th that are under the city's jurisdiction, but we do need to be mindful that these also have other agency jurisdiction at play.

And so we'll be taking a closer look at which approaches are causing the overall intersection to, result in a level service e? Is it the city's approach, or is it, in this case, I dot approach? For level service f, again, four intersections were estimated to currently operate at level of service f. Again, Aurora Avenue and West Street is, under a Newburghville jurisdiction. The other three, are at least under a portion of IDOT or DuPage County jurisdiction.

Jurisdiction. So, again, we'll take a look at an approach level review at Ogden and Rickert, but the other two are are not city jurisdictions. Jurisdictions. They will not be included in the road improvement plan. What we do can do and will do is as IDOT and DuPage County move forward with their planning exercises for future improvements, the city can share feedback with those agencies that we received from the public through this planning process as well the the results of our analysis and any ideas that we generate through this planning process, we can share those with the other agencies, but we can't make a commitment for improvements that requires other agency cooperation.

And so then a similar exercise, we looked at roadway segments. There are four segments that currently operate under at level service e that are under City Of Naperville jurisdiction, portion of 95th Street, Hundred 11th Street, River Road, and 2 48th. So all of those will be subject to further review as a part of the road improvement plan with the exception of 2 48th. 2 48th is currently part of an ongoing project, which will include improvements such as a raised median, left turn lanes, curb and gutter, street lighting. The left turn lanes will obviously provide additional capacity.

We'll certainly take a look at that as we move forward with the future of your analysis. We'll incorporate the city's plan improvements into that analysis, but at this point in time, we would expect that that segment comes off the list for further review. And then for level of service f, we have a Hundred And 11th Street west of 248 and Washington Street south of Ogden to Partner Road, both under City Of Naperville jurisdiction. So those will, we will take a closer look at opportunities, for future improvement. What this does what this exercise does is it creates a preliminary list of in intersections and roadway segments, which will be subject to further review as part of the analysis of future 2050 conditions.

This is not the final list. As traffic volumes increase through 2050, we would expect additional locations will be added, that we will see additional locations, whether it's intersection or roadway segment, projected to operate at level of service e or level of service f. This list also doesn't guarantee an improvement. Just because location is operating at level service b or level service f does not mean that the city is committed to making an improvement. What this means is this is the list of locations we'll we'll take a closer look.

What is causing, like we discussed previously, what is causing the issue? Is it actually a capacity issue? Is it a signal timing issue? Is it just a function of the signal cycle length? Is it a single movement that's contributing that you've got potentially a high generating use nearby and that condition exists for a fifteen minute period?

All of that will be taken into closer consideration as we move forward. And then, again, a big component of the next steps is taking a look at feasibility. In some locations, you may be constrained. Washington Street is constrained. You have existing structures on both sides of the roadway limiting your ability to provide additional pavement.

And so that will be taken into consideration as we move forward with the future conditions analysis and ultimately development of draft improvement. I will also note that this summary represents overall intersection level of service. We are also looking very closely at, term movement conditions and also looking at the ninety fifth percentile cues for all, movements and approaches. So where we have excessive cueing conditions, that is something that we have identified to move forward as a part of the analysis of potential improvements. So I will pause.

That's a lot of information before we go to public input. Is there are there any questions or comments? We're we're also accepting comments. If there are comments that you would like to make sure we take into consideration and we we move forward, I'd appreciate that feedback as well.

Seeing none? Sure. The excitement level

is going. I know. It's the level of service is everyone's favorite.

Start right? Hold on.

You're here. Yeah. I just had a question. Does crash data start your analysis? Yes. We

have we have digested crash data for the most recent available five year period from IDOT. We will be doing, we have identified crash locations that warrant further review. So this is not a safety study, but in some cases, you may have a crash condition that is directly related to a capacity condition, and so there is some review of overlapping where you may have a capacity issue and a, crash history that needs further attention. So that is part of our scope. That is something that we've worked with city staff, and we will be taking a closer look at, locations where we can identify potential safety countermeasures that could be further reviewed as a part of the capital improvement program or as a part of additional analysis.

Good question. Thank you.

So

was is capacity the increasing capacity the main goal of this plan or study in the sense of, let's say, increasing

lane miles or increasing the areas for cars to traverse? I didn't say it's the main increasing capacity. I would not characterize that as the primary goal. I think the primary goal is to review traffic flow, which does not always necessitate additional pavement. And I think it does work at this point, ultimately, will work in tandem with the city's bicycle and pedestrian plan to provide an overall mobility plan for the city. To give other avenues to maybe disperse capacity? To provide other options for people to to choose how to get from point a to point b. Okay. Thank thank you.

First question, mister Kozlowski.

So you said that other jurisdictions like IDOT or Dudot or Will County DOT, it's they have their own plans. Say we have one road that goes through one road that goes through an intersection and IDOT has the other road, would that be part of our plan then? Like

Yes. The city city jurisdiction approach could be part of our plan. An example of that would be in the middle on the screen where the previous road improvement plan did did identify improvements on the city jurisdiction roadways at the intersection with Route 59. So that obviously required coordination with IDOT, but the city did have some jurisdiction over the approach. So for example, Rickert and Ogden.

Ogden is under IDOT jurisdiction. Rickert is under the city jurisdiction. As a part of this exercise, if we determine that there's a potential improvement that would benefit that intersection, and it is on the Rickert Drive approach that could be incorporated into the road improvement plan. Okay. Thanks. Sure.

So under that example where there's multiple jurisdictions, is it shared funding then for the project, or how does that work?

Depends on the scope, but, Andy, did share his, experience.

Sure. That that that is it's kind of on a case by case basis. So the example that Rory mentioned, you know, when the state was coming through to improve Route 59, the state funding was attributed attributed to the improvements on Route 59, but the city did fund the portion and the, you know, adjacent city streets. So Road, those improvements were funded through the city. North Laurel Road, those were funded through the city. So we worked in coordination, but there was a, you know, a funding split and.

That's one of the benefits of this planning exercise. Right? It allows the city to forecast where there might be an opportunity for partnership with another jurisdiction and potentially some sort of cost sharing or touch the intersection once as opposed to we go in touch our approach and then the other jurisdiction comes through and does Route 59. That was a partnership, so that intersection was disrupted once.

Right. So we then adjust our priorities based on also on what major Opportunities for coordination. Correct.

Yeah. This becomes a much more proactive approach as opposed to scrambling, not to suggest that's ever been the case here. Clearly, that was part of the previous road improvement plan, but that that's one of the primary goals of doing this so that you can inform your capital program and get in front of the opportunities that you're suggesting. Okay. I think we're good for the next question.

Okay. Let's transition to public input. So as a part of the road improvement plan, the city has sought input on the existing roadway network and also solicited input on opportunities for future improvements. Through the input, we were able to validate some of the capacity analysis results using comments related to motorist experience at certain intersections. The public input also allows us to define locations with unique operational characteristics that may or may not be readily evident analysis.

To solicit input, the city hosted a public open house in January. 40 people attended, and we had a number of different opportunities for folks to provide input, both using the old school, like, dot exercise on a map as well as having some computers for online input. In addition, the city had made available the online mapping tool, public coordinate. That was made available through February 14, so at least two week comment period. That online map and I can show just a quick summary if I can figure out the technology.

Through that online map, we solicited 470 unique map comments. So this is a summary of the feedback that we we received through the online map. Each pin represents a comment. So for example, this location that I just clicked on, Meadow Green and Ring Road, this request needs stop sign to slow speeding traffic. So the public was able to drop a pin, correlate it to whether or not it was a comment or suggested improvement as at location specific.

And so this through this exercise, we generated 470 comments. So combined with the feedback received during the meeting, 494 comments were received to date. Generally, you can see here the comments are related to congestion, new traffic control requests, which was the example I clicked on previously, parking, generally on street parking concerns, and then a number of pedestrian and bicycle comments, and then everything else kind of gathered under other. So this will allow us this is a tool that we'll use as we move forward. This will allow us to kind of filter the comments and then overlay this with the level of service results to identify areas for potential improvements.

A couple of quick notes on the public input. Approximately 33 were related to non city jurisdiction, intersections, and roadways. 66 comments, which is roughly 13%, focused on pedestrian bicycle conditions. Those comments will be incorporated into the bicycle and pedestrian plan that will be completed at a later date. Those comments will kindly be taken and uses for that planning process.

We had a couple of comments on locations where city improvement is planned or underway and then a number of comments, which we'll touch on specifically, generally, where we saw those, related to locations where an IDOT improvement is currently planned or underway. So what happens to the comments that aren't necessarily related specifically to the scope at hand? We've already touched on the bicycle and pedestrian comments. The other comments were generally related to traffic control that would be on roadways not included in the scope of this planning process, vehicle speeds. I touched on on street parking, and then there were a number of comments related to a variety of maintenance concerns, whether it be landscaping and conflicts with visibility of oncoming traffic, pavement condition, pavement markings, street signs.

All of these comments, I have been reviewed. They will be incorporated into city staff's standard process or plan. A number of the comments are for locations that the city staff has previously reviewed and previously studied, some of which I'm sure have come before you at previous meetings. I think it is important to note that no comment is ignored. The comments have been filtered.

City staff has the comments that they'll kind of work work into their workload as appropriate. I'm sure they can answer any questions related to that if needed. So then there were a couple of locations where there was a density of comments that we were able to take a quick look at, and I wanted to bring those to your attention because, obviously, they came from a number of respondents, and so I think it's important to recognize that. One of the primary locations is Ogden Avenue in Iroquois. The comments remarked about increasing traffic due to recent development in the area and requested improvements related to signal related to the existing traffic signal.

There is actually, Ogden Avenue, as you all know, is under IDOT jurisdiction. Signal is under IDOT jurisdiction. There are modifications planned for this intersection. IDOT permit application has been filed. It's under review.

The plan is to provide protected permitted left turn phasing from Iroquois, which I think will address the majority, if not all, of the comments that we received for this location. Naper Boulevard. There are a number of comments related to Naper Boulevard, specifically related to the vehicle speed on Naper predominantly from plank to seventy fifth and then the signal timing between Hobson and seventy fifth. So just a couple of points on this, and this gets back to the slide relating related to what's the roadway's purpose. Naperville Boulevard is a four lane arterial roadway.

I think it is a unique roadway. It's an arterial that in some locations has homes and kind of an unusual development pattern maybe, so people don't necessarily hear in their mind. They think of maybe 75th Street as an arterial, Route 59 as an arterial, and forget maybe that Niefer is an arterial as well. It's a heavily traveled roadway, 24,000 vehicles per day. It is serving its purpose to carry traffic through the city.

The city has actually implemented some vehicle speed reduction markings on portions of this roadway to address comments previously received regarding vehicle speeds, and we can continue to explore that if the board chooses. But at this point in time, I I don't expect that additional improvements would be necessary. But, again, that inner that roadway segment operates with an acceptable level of service, and the roadway is carrying traffic through the city as it is designed to do. For the segment between Hobson And 75th Street, it's a a challenging segment. You have signals located within very short spacing distance from each other, so the signal timing has actually been optimized.

There's been a great deal of effort to time those signals property properly. There's just, quite frankly, a limitation due to the spacing distance and due to the fact that 75th Street is a heavily traveled arterial and the green time that needs to be allocated to that roadway. Ogden and Naperville inroad, a number of comments related to the alignment of this intersection, some comments related to site distance, for the northbound left turn movement, and then similar to Ogden and Iroquois, just general commentary on the increase in traffic to the area development. This, again, is Ogden Avenue. It's under IDOT jurisdiction.

There is actually an IDOT improvement planned, which would provide new mast arms, which we would anticipate would likely address some of the site distance concerns as compared to the existing condition. And then there will also be a protective permitted westbound left turn phase, which, again, I would expect may address some of the concerns that we, received through the public and. So next steps. Where do we go from here? We have a lot of data.

We have initial findings. Our next step as a team is to go back and develop your twenty fifty traffic projections. We have a solid understanding on what's happening on the roadway network today, what will it look like in your twenty fifty. To do that, we will be referring to IDOT and Chicago Metropolitan Agency for planning data as CMAP provides the, regional travel demand model. They have your twenty fifty projections for roadway segments throughout the city, so that data will be used to grow the traffic volumes on the roadway today to develop your twenty fifty traffic projection for analysis.

So we will complete a similar exercise for the 162 intersections, but it will be based on your twenty fifty traffic projections. That analysis will also be prepared for the roadway segments. Where appropriate, there are a number of improvements. You saw a couple, Iroquois and Ogden and Ogden and Naperville, Wheaton Road. There are a number of other improvements that are planned or underway by the city, two forty eight, by IDOT, by Duda.

All of those will be incorporated into the capacity analysis so can we get a true projection of what we would expect to occur on the real way networking year 2050. And then based on that, we'll identify operational challenges and potentially some opportunities where we have excess capacity, And using that information, we'll define a list of improvements, again, for roadways within the city's jurisdiction and where improvements are feasible. We are not intending to bring things forward to this board that cannot be constructed. Our focus is on constructible improvements, so that will include a review of down a right away utilities, setbacks, structures, wetlands, maintenance responsibilities, sustainability, and then we'll have a list of potential improvements for you all to react to and provide input with an eye towards the idea that these improvements will be implemented over a twenty year period. This is, again, a planning exercise that will inform the city of the annual capital improvement program.

It will identify opportunities for interagency coordination, but ultimately will not be implemented overnight. Think we all know. So what we'll be asking for you all at the future meeting is to review the locations where we've identified capacity challenges and opportunities, provide comments related to those locations. We'll ask you to review and evaluate the improvements that we have identified. Let us know if there's alternatives that we've missed, and then, hopefully, we'll walk away with a list of draft improvements that can move forward to city council and then ultimately inform the capital improvement program.

With that, I'll open it up to any questions or comments.

It was a wonderful presentation. Thank you. Good luck. So

with the plan, how in particular are these public comments integrated into the plan?

How are they integrated into the plan?

Yes. As far as, laying them against the level of service determinations. And Yeah.

So I can I can tell you we're using it as a tool to filter locations? I have a screenshot where we kind of layer data to help us identify locations. I can't bring this up live, but I don't think so. It'll cause all kinds of problems. But we're using that input. So the little dots and squares are all locations of public input, and we're kind of overlaying that with level of service. Right now, we only have mapped existing level of service. What we'll do is we'll also overlay future level of service. You can see here the question related to crash data. That is an overlay.

So we've identified kind of hot spots using all of the data and public input. So I can tell you it's it's something we've used to help us understand where there may be areas for future review or future improvement. How the feedback gets documented as a part of the plan, I I don't know that I know yet. We have a GIS layer that'll go to the city for final documentation, but we do have a summary of the public comments. It's kind of summarized by category, but I don't know that I'm fully answering your question.

I can't I can't tell you every single I I can tell you because I did it myself, and I know Andy did the same thing. Every single comment has been read. Alright. Thank you.

Thank you, miss Rose. Miss Rose?

First, I just wanna say that I thought it it was a a beautiful presentation, and thank you for putting in the effort for the city of Naperville. As someone, you know, who lives in Naperville, I appreciate the, you know, production effort and, you know, the fact that you it seems like you really care about this. And in in speaking about this, it's it's very obvious that you, you know, deeply understand the information, and you're not just presenting this. You're you're really looking into this. So I I just really appreciate that.

And and so my comment is more so since it is a twenty year plan and, you know, planners, it's it's it's a very unique role. You're, like, looking into the future, and then it's like you're creating the future kind of. So I I wanna just challenge to say, you know, try to maybe put people forward, which, you know, is a huge ask because funding, you know, dictates a lot of, like, the things, know, communities are allowed to do. But when I think of Naperville in the future, I don't you know, do we want, like, more cars, more roads, or, you know, do I want a community that I can, like, live in and then as I get older, you know, use more sustainable modes of transportation like biking with, like, confidence and being safe and and having it be with ease so that it's, like, realistic for not, like, technical bikers bicycle riders. So and so my comment is just to to say, you know, try to, you know, think innovatively for since it is looking in the future over the next twenty years, you know, putting people forward as opposed to designing for cars, which I know is really the task at hand.

So I do appreciate that. But as a citizen, that's definitely coming. Thank thank you very much.

Thank you, mister. Mister Hurley. Hi. I reiterate that it's a great job, and I love to use the technology for being public comment. It was very innovative and seem to be effective.

My question is, since none of us can predict the future and some twenty five years are more dynamic than others, how does the process take into account anything that may be more disruptive transportation than maybe imagined right now? Do you have the process in order to revisit this within that time period if there is much more adoption of those cars, things like driving or or whatever things that we don't even know of yet where it may entirely change the flow tracking. I can start, and then I'll see

if city staff wants to add to. It is my I would anticipate that the plan, the final document and we can certainly bring some of this forward at the next meeting. I would anticipate there will be a section of this plan that acknowledges potential changes in technology, potential changes in mobility choice, potential changes in mobility options that we can't predict. No one knew about Uber or Lyft, right, before that became an opportunity. So I would anticipate that the plan will acknowledge that and potentially create a path for the city to review moving forward.

I do also think that the beauty and the way that the city has set this up is you have an annual capital improvement program, which allows you to hit pause. That's a five year program, allows you to hit pause and say, does this still make sense? You're planning out for the next five years of investment. If there's a disruption in the market, if there's an opportunity in technology, the city has an annual process in place which allows them to hit pause and say, does this improvement still make sense? Does that answer the question? Sure.

I I can add to that a little bit. I mean, I can say that when we developed the the current road improvement plan back in 2008, some of there are some of the same types of comments, and, you know, I can say that, you know, some some things that we didn't expect developed or you know, we also made assumptions about roads that we would be improved. You know, we assumed that Route 59 would be improved, and it was. And then but we also assume that 75th Street would be six lanes by now, and that's that's so far away. So there is, you know, a lot of different things that can happen, and and we will have to kinda look at that as these projects come up.

I mean, there's and and on the technology front, I mean, we might have air taxis or we might have, you know, drones that'll take us places that you know, there's you know, autonomous vehicles is always, you know, a topic of the discussion, and that's that's come a reality to a certain degree. But, you know, I I think that the the the projections that we're using that we are using from CMS, whether from, you know, a regional source that does try to, you know, anticipate some of these things. But, yeah, there there is definitely a level of uncertainty with with what could happen. But I think, you know, in the twenty year projection, I think that it's, you know, it's very likely that we will see still see a substantial number of, you know, vehicles on the road like a diesel.

Thank you, mister Henry. Before we move to the drone parking discussion, I do wanna take a moment to recognize that I believe we have some members of the public who have signed up to speak on this topic. So before we complete our discussion up here at the dais, I'd like to revert to the floor and, mister Prusci, do have people stand up to speak on the phone? Yes. We have one public speaker, Marilyn Schweitzer. Okay, miss Schweitzer. Welcome to our meeting tonight, and welcome to the podium.

Thank you, and thank councilwoman Taylor and you for your service. I much appreciate it. So May Roland Schweitzer, Naperville resident for the last thirty eight years. And and given safety issues for pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers, I wish the acronym for this plan could have been something a little less ominous than rest in peace. That being said, I do wish to compliment staff and Kimberly Horn for the January open house and the subsequent data collection.

The ArcGIS map tool was was really very nice. Regarding the this evening's presentation, I I would like to comment that somehow it would really be nice to have some some indication of safety, you know, being involved as a goal along with traffic flow. Because, I mean, I realized that improving safety might, you know, also I mean, they they they do relate together. So I just sort of wish that somewhere there was some recognition of safety when these plans come out. Similarly, you know, I know that the bicycle and pedestrian planning will occur next year and that the intention is is that nothing will be lost.

But I also hope that in making these plans, that nothing is done to sort of, like, preclude things that might be going on, you know, desirable with the bicycle and safety plans as well. And similarly between the areas that are not under Naperville jurisdiction, you know, that nothing is done to go on the Naperville roadways that makes sort of those areas worse. Okay. I'll skip skip that. But and and I know, you know, that that that staff, you know, does not dismiss comments, but it would really be nice to be able to sort of see them recognized somewhere on the website as a summary.

Think that that at least people know then that, you know, that they're they're behind the scenes, and these these plans take time. And just sort of under seeing where they are. I mean, like, the examples that were shown up there for three examples, I think, was really nice. And it's not practical for 494 comments, but some kind of feedback feedback that was publicly available, I think, would be helpful. One thing I know people made a comment on, you know, that, again, it's sort of a coordination issue, was requesting a diagonal walk signal in in the downtown, you know, rather than, you know, just north south walk, east west south.

And and I was wondering if perhaps there could be some coordination when the Washington Bridgeway bridge work and downtown streetscape is being completed and summer pedestrian traffic is underway, that that might be a time to consider that particular enhancement. And of the failing Naplesville roadways, I would like to draw attention to the level f level of service from Washington between Ogden and Gartner. I'm so sorry. It's actually a minute.

Yeah. The speaker's time is up. Oh, no. One moment, miss Can I just I I can I can take a voice vote? Do we, as a body, agree to give an additional minute to miss Schweitzer to complete her comments? You've got

a green light for it.

Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So, I mean, my final comment is really that the two level of f areas, Washington between Gartner and Ogden, and then also on Ogden between Naperville, Plainfield, and and Washington are very near where the the revised 5th Avenue studies are coming up. And in the past, I mean, sort of it's always been, well, we'll worry about traffic for the 5th Avenue study after the point. And I hope this time that the approach is, these are already level of service f areas and that what the plans are for development there should be considered ahead of time and impact that rather than sort of an afterthought. So, again, thank you very much, and I look forward to

seeing things in the future. I'm sorry about the time. As always, we thank you for your attendance and active participation and for being a citizen who reads all the stuff that we published. We really appreciate that. Thank you. Now we turn to the dice. We have additional comments, questions for the consultant. I just wanna say, really compliment the public interaction process you all engage with. Have it virtual, have it in person. I cried a bit when he said to put a dot on the map was was old fashioned.

I don't know when that was innovative. But no. I I think the the process was really well done. And to get that level of input and to see how the ability to geocode that and really turn that into a a living document that could help you really understand the dynamics of what's going on transportation wise in the city, what's really to be complemented. And looking forward to hearing what goes on with this report going forward. So thank you very much for that. And I see a hand in the audience. If you go ahead and approach the podium if you would, please. Actually, I think the mic's still hot. If you'll state your name, and then we'll be happy to take your comments.

And then also, as the South Side Of Naperville gets built up, there seems to be a heck of a lot more traffic, you know, flow, especially on Plainfield Naperville Road In the morning, especially, you know, when you're approaching 75th Street, I mean, traffic is backed up, you know, for, you know, at least a mile. And then so I was wondering if there is any consideration, you know, for for improving improving that that area. Area. Quick question. Mister Hines, do you wanna take that? Sure.

I can speak to that. So, you know, we we're not at the point that we're making recommendations on improvements, so that'll be coming with the the future improvements. I can't say there are certain limit limitations with Cook Road. You know, if it's going through the Forest Preserve where there's an agreement that says, you know, through the Forest Preserve area that Cook Road cannot be widened. That's also a contract mode since.

So it's not. So so Blankfield Naperville Road, that's a Wilkine Highway, so that was improved. So that's you know, at this point, there there are no plans to improve that further. Thank you. We'll we'll come back and, you know, take a look at it with the with the future case and you know, make an observation based on the analysis.

And and I think if I if I heard Rory's presentation properly, it's a this this study is to look at overall flow and look for choke points and look for alternatives and plans. And it's not it's not that here is what we're gonna build to solve. Right? It's about understanding dynamics at all. And, certainly, as a as a fellow Southsider, I can appreciate the the the suggestion on those roads. I think you'll probably be incorporating that and looking at it as in a comprehensive way, right, and then seeing other ways that could potentially be ways to help with that as well. Mister Hunt? Yeah. So so this is

a preliminary analysis. As Rory mentioned, it's, you know, a planning level tool. There'll be further analysis when, you know, we're actually looking at specific location of specific projects. And yeah. And so we'll we'll take a look at that one when we get

to that point. And I think it's worth noting, especially because we've got a a bunch of students in the back there too. The process seems like it's really long and drawn out, but there's a purpose behind it. You've gotta kinda look at what what are the problems, start to play it out, get opportunities for public hearings, start to put things into a capital improvement plan that's gotta go through a process of being vetted, saying it's just how much we're gonna need in preliminary engineering and things like that. And then you move into trying to source that money, so, again, you gotta go to legislature or state or federal to fund those things.

And so while it seems like a very long process, and it is, there is a method to it. It's not to be slow. It's to be methodical and to put all pieces together. So as the board talks about up here, as you've got a lot of jurisdictions that that are part of the transportation network that everybody's coordinated, that we've got. Our plans work with others plans, that funding works with others plans, and that all those pieces fit together so that we eventually, when we see the construction, you go, oh, they really did think this through, or why didn't why didn't they think that through?

We asked this question. Now we can we know by using a very thorough process, it could be very well thought out, more efficient, more thoughtful use of our funds in a way that is getting the most out of it for doing that. So this is the start of that process. And so you're seeing the beginning of it, and it'll be exciting to see that progress over time.

Miss Taylor, you have come. Thank you. So if I heard properly, Maple Lake Road is a Wilkoni Road. So the the the portion between 75th And 87th is actually a DuPage County Highway, and that's that's East South of 87th Street down to 104th or Hundred And 11th Is Wilcox Avenue. So we don't have jurisdiction over that? Correct. So what about Book Road? What's your jurisdiction over Book Road? Book Road from 75th Street down to 83rd Street is Naperville Township Highway. And then south of there is it's very it goes back and forth between Township and City Of Naperville.

Mhmm. I mean, I grew up over there. So, I mean, I I always remember before being trained enough to we never widen it because of course there's

something you said that you can't widen it. Is that

Through the forest preserve area, there's an agreement with the forest preserve that the roads won't be widened to that particular section. You know, South Of 87th Street, I mean, there's no limitation other than just the existing right away and and, you know, the the the the property. Property. Was that limitation put into place? The the agreement with the say, ten, fifteen years ago, something like that. I mean, we did revisit that when we made some improvements there at 83rd and book at the intersection. We added a left turn lane. And so I believe there was, you know, at least that agreement was referenced at that point. But it's it's been in place for a while.

Okay. I know this is not like, we've discussed the necessary to this here, but, you know, I'd be curious, you know, ten, fifteen

years ago. You

know? Seems like the long I mean, it's a long time ago. I guess, you know, to be revisited sometimes.

If if you I wanna just can you just hold the podium so you can grab it on the microphone, please? And and just for example, all public comments are limited to three minutes. If I if I may, just

I'm I'm extremely familiar with this road, and I I probably traveled Brook Road one of the biggest roads in my life. I grew up there, and my parents were there until recently, so I'm very familiar with that.

Well, take a drive down there,

and you'll see, especially in the in the morning times. You know, the streets get a little bit a little bit crazy. You know? And Thank thank you for your time. Anyone else on the board?

Seeing none. And no further public comment. Right, mister Pearson? We're good. We will consider this agenda item received and look forward to future updates coming before the filing. Rory, thank you very much for your presentation. For the outstanding job, please thank your colleagues also for the. Alright. Next up is for the police report. Sergeant Suit, you have the floor.

Good evening. If you're not aware, last last month, April was our distracted driving awareness month. For that, we ran a SEP grant for five days and a hundred hours. Out of that time frame, made a 147

traffic stops, issued

a 117 driving citations. Overall, for the apartment for the entire month, it's 282 traffic driving citations that we issued. This month of May, May 9, Friday, May 9, we'll do our Route 59 on five nine campaign. It's a multi jurisdictional campaign

That's a good viewing right there. Thank you, Sergeant. And with the school year coming to close, please be alert for children and adults out and about learning to drive. And then the immortal words of those who do. Let's be careful out here. Alright. That closes our reports and recommendations. Do we have any old business to come before the body? Hearing none, we'll close old business. New business, and does the board have any new business to come before the body?

Alright. I've I will take the chair's prerogative. There are two final items for new business. First, the board would like to recognize the recent promotion of our own Andy Hines, the city engineer and deputy director of TED, the innovation CEO, as well as the promotion of Jennifer Loudoun's head director, effective on Monday. And Jennifer Jen was used to staff this committee. Rory used to staff this committee too. But, yeah, Jen actually interviewed me with the mayor eight years ago before I got the opportunity to sit here. So congratulations to her as well. We have it's great to see you. We're gonna have great continuity of leadership within the tech group, and we're so happy.

Thank you for all your continued service supporting the Sunnova Universe. And lastly, tonight marks the end of an era for me. Forty four years in the public sector, thirty seven in transportation field, and eight wonderful years on the transportation advisory board. Sixth, I've been honored to be as your chair. My last meeting, and it's also the end of my public service, this will be the last public committee that I'll I'll serve on.

It's been an honor to participate in shaping Naperville's transportation policy, to preside over countless public hearings, and to serve the scores of dedicated volunteers who have given their time on this board and their expertise. I'm very proud to have never missed a single meeting. I wanna get a star on my report card for that. And to have led us through the uncharted challenges of holding public hearings during COVID. That was a wild ride.

I also had the unique pleasure of having my oldest son serve on this board with me as a Neuqua Valley High School board member, and, he's in the audience tonight as a fully college educated working individual who actually flew in from Louisiana tonight straight from the airport to be here. So thank you. And for all your kids back there, try to get on these boards because it looks great on your resume and you can do good things to you. So it was an honor to serve here with you, Tate, and thank you for that. I also wanna thank the three city councils and two mayors that appointed me to serve on this board, and I was surprised.

I got to get to see him. I was really nice to them. And I also want to sincerely thank the amazing Ted and Mississauga Police Department staff that support this board. Before all these meetings, we have free meetings and do a lot of prep work and have a lot of conversations, and they're very kind and patient with me. And I really appreciate all the opportunities going forward.

The professionalism and knowledge and dedication of the Naperville community simply are unmatched. And finally, a big thank you to my family who supported supported me me and my need to give back to the community through service on the TAB board. My wife and I met thirty six years ago as college intern traffic counters sitting in intersections in lawn chairs, counting the traffic movements and counting the timing of the traffic signals and and occasionally running out through the wheel and measuring the language. So I see all this computerized stuff. Like, this is an old school. We didn't use Bluetooth from cars passing by. We had to see other clipboards in the sun and do all that. So you never know where transportation could take you in future tonight. Thanks for being here and supporting you. It's great.

And a special shout out to my mother-in-law, who I am pretty certain is the only Naperville citizen who have watched every one of these TAD board meetings on TV for the last eight years. So nice job, grandma. And to the current and future board chair and and to the board members, I wish you all the best as you help shape our community's future. Thank you for all you do. Thank you for giving back, and I appreciate all of you.

I thought that would be easy. So I'll now entertain a motion to adjourn. Do I have a motion to adjourn? Oh, nobody wants to hear you. Motion to hear. Motion I have a motion for miss Rios. Do I have a

second? Second.

Second from miss Nayer, my motion is second to adjourn the 05/01/2025 meeting of the Naperville Transportation Advisory Board. Mister Prusup, do have a roll call, please? All those in favor, signify by saying aye. All those opposed, nay. Mister Hurley? Aye. Mister Kwiswinski? Aye. Mister Laird? Aye. Mister Mullanopy? Aye.

Miss Niere? Aye. Mister

Neibel? Aye. Miss

Rose? Aye.

Mister West? Aye. Motion carries. The meeting is adjourned. Thank you all for being here this evening. Drive safe, and have a good summer.