Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

[Music] I think pull. those too. Good afternoon. Welcome to the July 10th, 2025 meeting of the city of Moskegan's planning commission. We'll get started with our agenda with a roll call, please. Johnson here. Jonathan Cipher here. Keer is excused. Shony Blake is excused. Steve G here. Leah Wlette Loy. Did I say it right? Brian Yeah, here Joe Mis here is excused. Okay. And we have one member who may need to leave early so we won't vote against it. All right. And then we have approval of the minutes from June 12th, 2025. I'll move to approve the minutes as presented. Second. Moved and supported to approve the minutes. Any further discussion? Seeing none, roll call, please. What's this? Okay. All in favor? I I

Any oppose say no. All approved. And so then we have Oh, took away my agenda. I hate when they do that. All right. We have a series of public hearings on the agenda today, but I do believe we have a few that we need to remove. And so staff initiated requests to remove cases ending in uh 29 and 31. And so that would be case 202529 and 202531 removing from the agenda. So that brings us to our need to do any need to vote on that. I'm just going to read that. Okay. Um, first case would be case 2025-25 is the request to amend section 2331 of the zoning ordinance to allow marijuana retailers and provisioning centers with approved drive-thru access to remain open for drive-through sales only between 12:00 a.m. and 2 a.m. by the grassy null. A staff report, please. Sure. So, um, this request came before us in April of last year. Um, however, there was some language that um didn't really work well with the ordinance. Um, I believe also the commissioners had some issues with the 24 hours um being allowed. Um, so they are coming back here now um with a new proposed ordinance that would allow um allow them allow anybody with any marijuana retailer with an approved drive-thru to be open for drive-thru only from 12:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m. Currently, the ordinance says that all retailers must close by 12:00 a.m. Um so as it's written um we would keep pretty much the same language where it says procisioning centers, retailers,

micro businesses and designated consumption establishments may operate between the hours of 12 a.m. and 12 8 a.m. and 12 a.m. And then the additional language would be daily. However, provisioning centers and retailers with approved drive-thru access may remain open for drive-through sales only between the hours of 12 a.m. and 2 a.m. provided all other applicable state, local, state, and safety regulations are met. Um, currently drive-throughs are allowed uh in several of the underlying zoning districts, uh, but we only have um three of them approved right now. uh there could be potential for more uh as long as they meet those special use permit uh requirements. Um staff really doesn't have a recommendation on one way or another. Uh it it does fit in well with the way the ordinance is written, so it would work well. Um we did have some concerns about um past couple years we've had some discussions with the applicant about camping. Uh it looks like that kind of popped up again. uh although it will not be loud during special events um but we have talked to the applicant and they've assured us that they will not be doing that and have pulled their advertisement from uh social media on that. So believe we do have the applicants here for any questions. Okay. Does the applicant want to come forward and address the commission at this time? I'm Ben Ryder. I'm an attorney at Parimeter Law. We work with the grass on various matters, including this zoning amendment proposal. This is Fred Seini. He's the owner of the Grassing along with his wife, Janet. Welcome. Um, we did a previous proposal as Mike

mentioned um last April. It was for 24 hours. um the language in the ordinance proposed language in the ordinance wasn't wasn't as concise as it is now now um we've instead of 24 hours we've we've limited it to the current ordinance of 8:00 a.m. to midnight but for retailers that have a drive-thru um approved drive-thru which there are three in the city those retailers would be able to remain open from midnight to 2:00 a.m. drive-thru only. Um, Grassy Hole is seeing a huge demand in um, business from 9:00 p.m. to midnight. I can let you speak more on that. Um, but I I think some of the concerns in the last um, last goound was 24 hours, which we've limited. I know there are some safety concerns. Um, so that's why we wanted it limited drive-thru only. Um, and it's open to at least three facilities now. Um, So once again, kindly asking for your consideration. Um, once again, we're just trying to help our patrons that helps us and I honestly and helps them as well. um typically have to tell people we're sorry we're closed and once again it typically um supports the night shift afternoon night people safety protocol has all been put into place. Doors are locked, alarm systems are set, cameras are on. uh discussions with the local police department. They have no issues and they support us. Um

trying to do that respectfully in regards to the uh that was honestly not us. We had worked with Burning Foot in the past. Um once again my full responsibility didn't realize that we had to get permission. So my apologies for that to this year we had contacted then them we found out and Mike was kind enough to call us and tell us about that. Uh authorized them to post that and have contacted them and asked them to immediately take it down. and no intent for us to deviate from any C's or regulations and we will not do that ever. So, okay. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant from the commission this time? I'll take one. First one, I need more explanation as to why it's beneficial for you to be open from midnight till 2 o'clock in the morning. Uh it's to support our customers uh and to help them get that they need. Typically, you know, there's a lot of disclaimer in regards to cannabis. Most of them are very large portion of them are coming to get relief. So, anxiety, trying to get to sleep, stress, illness, whatever it is. And that's all we're trying to do. Do you have actual data to support that? Like do you have an idea how many customers you're missing out? Do people complain?

Tell me more. Sure. Um well, people definitely do complain uh in regards to or people are lined up at 12:00 and we have to tell them, "Sorry, we cannot serve you." So, um, stand there and see how many people follow up after that. I mean, we have a cleaning crew that will stay uh a couple hours to clean up and they'll see cars pull up and go through the drive, see that we're we're closed and leave that except we got requests from uh people say why can't you stay open later? Any other questions at this time? Otherwise, we're going to go to the public hearing portion. Okay. Thank you. Um, we're going to go to the public hearing portion of this case. So, we'll ask anybody in the audience who would like to join us to speak to this item to please come forward. Seeing none, I'm going to go ahead and open the phones. If anybody would like to call in regarding this item, you can reach us at 231-724-6721. Give that a minute or so to in the interim. While we're waiting, I have a question for staff. Um, has there been any research done on on We actually have a call. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, let's do that first. We'll move to Hello. You're with the city of Mskegan Planning Commission. Hi there. Yeah, I just wanted to make a

comment on the proposed matter. My name is Angel [ __ ] and I'm a resident county as well as have a small business down in the downtown district. Um, I've worked with the Grassian uh multiple times. I've gotten to know them as people. These are good, hardworking people just trying to bring natural medicine to our communities safely, something that's tested that people can access it and know that it's not lace. And not everybody works a 9 to5. There are many creatives and leaders and entrepreneurs that have a very busy schedule. And it's very shameful to think that a veteran or somebody else in this community who desperately needs their medicine and might not have had the chance to get there during the day might be turned away. So I think when we have good people working hard and running to the tea businesses following the letter of the law and they present us an opportunity to help their business thrive. I don't think we should demand evidence. We should trust the people in our community that are making this community so great. Thank you. Thank you for your call. Let us know if we have any additional callers. No additional callers. I just wanted to follow up then Mike real quick. You want to go ahead. We can close the public hearing and move to discussion if you want. Okay. All right. Can I get a motion to close the public hearing? Yes. So moved. Moved and seconded. Yeah. motion supported. I'll take it. Okay. And then take your pick on support. Yeah. All right. So, the public hearing has been closed and we'll go move into further discussion. Did you have we may proceed with discussion? I move that the request to amend section 2331 of the zoning ordinance to allow marijuana retailers and provisioning

centers with approved drive-through access to remain open for drive-through sales only between midnight, 12:00 a.m., and 2 a.m. be recommended the city commission for approval. Support. Okay. moved and supported. Okay. All right. I wanted to ask about standards. Have you looked at other communities? Do a lot of other communities have their provisioning centers open till 2:00? Is this something you see frequently? Not frequently. I know Kalamazoo allows 247. Uh they do have a couple that participate. Um, most of the time you see them around 9 or 10. We have one of the later closing times that I've seen. Um, but that does change. So, um, I'm not aware off the top of my head of of 2 2 a.m. I did not see any of that in any of my research, but again, there are communities that do allow 24 hours. Okay. Thanks, Mike. Can you just remind everybody the current hours open for all dispensaries? Yes, currently you can be open from uh 8:00 a.m. until midnight. Okay. And for non-dispensary drive-thrus in the city, is there any time frame? Uh it's all the same now whether you have a drive-thru or not. This proposal would limit it those two extra hours just to the drive-thru. I mean non-dispensary businesses that have drivethroughs any restriction on oh any type of business uh there is no type of um hour limitation on any type of other retail okay any other discussion I wanted to at this time

everybody's Go ahead. Uh yeah, this is the third time Gres know has come before us. The first couple times um planning commission didn't um favor that approach um for various different reasons. Um myself included um did not support the the previous um attempts. But this time, the way it's worded, the way it's presented, um uh I do find it satisfactory. I would support this um today and would report support this at the city commission. um when it comes to the city commission as well. So, I'll support those. And I will also add too that I like that it's part of the special use permit um because in the future when we are issuing those, right now we only have three, but in the future as we're issuing them um we can take into account if there are u public disturbances or nuisances as to to reason to um revoke their permit um as such. But um where you're located, you're not surrounded by um a residential area. you don't have, you know, people living right next to you. Um, and the other location nearby is similar situation. Um, there's the one on Apple, there are some residents nearby, but it's in a already commercial, heavily trafficked area where they've previously had 24/7 hour operations there with Walgreens. So, I don't see the three properties that could avail themselves of this um if they did conflicting with um or disrupting existing activities that are happening there. So, I'll support this. I am not seeing any other discussion. We will go ahead and have a roll call, please. Montgomery Key. No. Jonathan Ciphford. No. Steve Coward.

No. Brian Wade. No. Leo Loy. No. Ken Johnson. Yes. All right. Motion fails. This will go to the city commission meeting um on the 22nd on July 22nd. Okay, thank you for that. Next case we have is 2025-26 request to amend section 2005.05 05 of the formbbased code to allow churches as permitted use in civic buildings in the formbbased code downtown context area by Century Club Development LLC. Staff report on this item. Sure. So in our formbbased code districts uh we have several different context areas and churches are allowed in civic buildings and all of them except for the downtown. Um, this request would be to allow for them in the downtown context area only in civic buildings. There are only two types of buildings allowed in the downtown context area. That's mixeduse buildings and uh civic buildings. Um, staff did some research on the building uh on the history of it and how it was built. So, we do believe that this would actually be considered a civic building. Um it was dedicated in 1889 for the Moskegan Club uh and then later the Century Club in 1901. Uh it's historically served as a social club uh for business leaders and different types of residents. Um so it was initially built as a civic building and we could still consider that today. Uh it does have some limitations with retail. The developer

has uh retail in there now. I I do believe that uh it's been a little difficult to maintain that. So their request would be to amend this. So it would not be for any uh or or for just them. It would be for any civic building in the downtown context area. I believe this is our only civic type building downtown. That doesn't mean that one could not be built though. So Okay. Um and then do we have an applicant present? check to address the commission. Uh good afternoon, commissioners. Um thank you for considering our request to have this uh amendment made to the formbbased code downtown. Um my wife and I, just a brief history, purchased not only the Century Club, but the um what at the time was the Daniels building and the Savings Bank building back in 2006. Um, little did we know that in 2025 we'd still be the owners of those properties, although the savings bank was sold uh about 10 years ago. We did extensive renovation to all three buildings. Uh, the Century Club was initially renovated in 2007 and at that time it was renovated for a retail operation. It was uh largely based on the strength of that uh lease that we had with the retailer that we were able to get the funding that was needed to do the renovations. Unfortunately, um sales were not there uh for the retailer, although I would suggest that there were other reasons as well, but that was largely the reason that they terminated their lease early. And um uh they just found frankly that the building was not suitable for retail. And honestly, again, I think that was the first time that the Century Club had been used as a retail

operation. Up until that time, it was uh largely a business club. Uh it was a gathering place, you know, for business people and other uh folks in the community. When the original retailer um broke the lease, we uh then brought in the smaller shops. Our goal all along, you know, with the modest developments that we've made has been to bring retail and residential downtown. And uh so we uh started the Century Club shops pretty much as a retail incubator setup. Uh we currently have about 11, you know, different businesses in there yet that operate. Uh some of them are, well, they're all locally owned. Uh some of them are satellite locations for a couple of other businesses. uh most of them are independent uh locally owned uh businesses you know here in Moskegan but we find too that they have a difficult time um I mean the the fact of the matter is that the building again is just not ideally suited you know for retail. Um, I can tell you that our sales, for instance, as we look at at traffic, and I know that was one of the comments that uh staff made, and I appreciate the research that they did as well, uh, in looking into the history of the building. Um, the the traffic uh, I I respectfully suggested to Mike, I would disagree with staff that, you know, re uh, eliminating the retail operation there would reduce traffic. I think perhaps just the opposite might be true. We see uh close to 60% of our sales happen in um three months, June, July, August, and then the fourth month again we get a little boost again during the holiday shopping season. Um proud to say, happy to say that uh of the people we see there that come in this time of year, um I dare say

we don't have hard data, but anecdotally I would suggest that probably 75 to 80% of those people are from out of town. And uh so we're happy to be able to host them, but uh unfortunately again uh the traffic that we see just for a relatively short period of time in the summer and again maybe during the shopping season isn't enough to support, you know, the retail businesses there. Um yeah, we we find and and notice often, you know, that people um walk by, but you know, to look at the nine steps to get up into the main uh building there, even though we have handicap access in the back, uh just is a little daunting and intimidating perhaps for some people. Uh they want to walk right, which is ideally what, you know, most retail operations are set up for. Uh so it's been difficult uh frankly to uh support retail at that location. As far as the um civic building, uh yeah, I've always considered, you know, the Century Club to be in my mind one of the iconic historical buildings in downtown as U staff mentioned was built in 1889, 1891 in that area. And uh so yeah, it's give or take 135 years old. Uh still shows nicely. Um but again, it was always, you know, a gathering place uh was intended. They had restaurants in there of course at one time, but that was the primary use uh as a gathering place, as an event center, um civic center really rather than, you know, retail operations. Um we've uh as you might guess, at our age, we've decided it was time to sell these properties and uh they've been listed for seven years now. Uh we've had three different commercial retailers uh uh uh real realtors uh have had opportunity to sell the building. Up until this time in

seven years we've not even had a serious consideration from anybody until now recently. Um the church has come along and the church by the way has been there for the last year uh bringing in people every uh Sunday. Um, as we look at traffic again, uh, and I think the pastor perhaps can speak to that a little bit better, but I know every Sunday morning they have, give or take 70 people. Uh, they've only been there a year. They've already grown considerably in in this first year. I think they have, uh, plans again to continue to grow at that location. Um I expect that you know we will see them operate you know 7 days a week there as opposed to uh the limited amount of time that we work uh the retail operations there as well. So I again would expect to see uh traffic increase and uh maybe at times too that uh otherwise traffic is minimalized perhaps downtown too just because timing and the type of operation that they have. Um, I don't have too much more to say. I guess I I will just comment yet on the on the civic building. I know as Mike and staff have mentioned, uh, yeah, in their in their minds, it is a civic building. That's always been the use. And I think as I look at the definition of what a civic building is, uh, I think, you know, certainly the church there uh, fits the description. And one of them that's you know said that civic building is a means means a building owned or leased by a public agency or nonprofit organization for the primary purpose of providing a service to the general public dedicated to arts, culture, education, recreation and so on. And I certainly expect that that's uh one of the purposes that they'll fulfill there as well. So I think it it certainly qualifies as a civic building. I'm not sure what other category uh it would fall into. Uh I don't see it as an office building. um it's really not a restaurant at this point. It's not retail. So I think uh civic building is an accurate you know classification and

uh I guess the question in my mind then or I really seems to me what what it comes down to is there's two questions that that I'm hopeful that you will answer in a positive way to the first one is this is the Century Club building a civic you know property civic building and secondly can we agree that a church is a permissible use um in this civic building in the downtown formbbased code context as staff mentioned they're allowed in other civic buildings in other uh areas just not in the downtown context. Those, it seems to me, are maybe the two questions that we would ask you to answer affirmatively uh today as well. Thank you. Thank you. Do we have any questions for the applicant? Seeing none, okay, we're going to go to public hearing. Thank you. I wanted to We may have more questions for staff, but we can do Yeah. I wanted to ask if the church is here. Yeah. Cool. So, let's open it up for uh public comment for the hearing and just state your name and let us know where you're joining us from. Right. Uh my name is Matt Lukeville. I'm the pastor of the church called Cornerstone PCA. Uh as Gary said, we started about a year ago. uh in the original five families that wanted to start the church wanted to start a church that would be located in downtown Moskegan uh for purposes of serving and caring for the community and reaching out to the community uh in a lot of different ways. And so we got connected with Gary and we have found uh the Sentry Club to be a great spot for us and we have enjoyed meeting there. We've enjoyed the location. We've enjoyed the opportunities that is beginning to present to us and show to us and just thinking and dreaming of if we uh were able to buy the building, what we might do, what that might look like. And so just being able to uh gather, but also and that would it's going to draw people in. As Gary said, we're going to meet several times throughout the week and we'll have different people in different kind of meetings and gatherings and we'll have our offices in there. Uh and

then we've had ideas of different ways in which we could use it throughout the week to serve the community. Whether that be uh starting some sort of coffee shop and uh shared workspace that people could come and work in or it being a spot uh where we could have uh moms and moms with kids begin to gather and have a space for them to come together. We've talked about ideas of creating tutoring opportunities, creating a bookstore, just lots of different ideas that we've begun to have uh and ways to serve the city. And then also wanting to ask the city as well, what are the ways that we could serve? What are some of the needs? What are some of those things that we as a church could do uh to help meet some of the needs of the city? And so those are kind of the combination of why it excites us to be down here. Thank you very much. Um, if we have additional because we're not going to go back and forth because later. Um, if we have additional folks who would like to um, we have, sorry, forgive me. You have three minutes to provide your remarks. Hi, my name is Maggie. I live in Moskegan. I'm actually here to speak in strong opposition to item B. Um, Western Avenue is one of the few vibrant, workable retail corridors left in Mskegegan. It is our cultural and economic heart. The city is growing in a beautiful renewal. I like to say that we're in our Phoenix era. We might not have great traffic yet, but it's coming. And I don't want us to handicap our growth before even getting started. Every inch of this district should be preserved for taxgenerating community serviceving businesses. Business that businesses that keep lights on, doors open, and people coming downtown. Churches don't do that. Churches don't pay taxes. They don't create foot traffic and they do not support surrounding businesses and most are closed to the public six days a week. This isn't about personal beliefs. It's about public responsibility. City planning must prioritize the collective

good, not the private interests of religious institutions that already have ample space elsewhere in the city. Let's be honest, Moskegan is not short on churches. What we're short on is thriving, affordable, functional retail space, and we cannot afford to lose more of it to taxexempt uses that don't serve the economic or civic life of our downtown. There are plenty of vacant or underused properties in Moskegan that could house a church. Western Avenue should not be one of them. Civic buildings are part of government. Our government is aggressively lacking on awareness of church and state separation. Please don't contribute to that. Please no vote no on this amendment. Thank you very much. Thank you. Do we have any other folks in the audience who would like to address this item? Uh I'm Phil McFersonson. I'm a downtown resident. Um I'm also in opposition of this. I also agree with Maggie that this is a nonrevenuegenerating organization for the downtown district. I also agree there are plenty of plenty of other building opportunities for a church to be had throughout the Moskegan County area. I see there are a lot of conflict with this particular situation and the fact that businesses downtown are going to be competing for parking spaces. They're going to be competing for spaces throughout the the day. We're going to see potential conflict with our local bars and patrons of churches. I'm not opposed to faith by any means, but this is a tax-free organization. The downtown district, Western Avenue, is still trying to thrive. And if we eliminate a space for retail business, one of the only spaces downtown for our tourists to come and shop, then we're cutting off our our face. I mean, we we're we're

eliminating a spot for our tourists to come as well as for our local people to shop. I mean, look at our look at our our world that we're living in. People don't want to go to Amazon and Walmart. We want to support our local businesses. So, I'm in very strong opposition of this uh this line item. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Hi there. My name is Angel [ __ ] I was the one on the phone. You might recognize my voice. Um, I am a mother, a veteran, and like I said, a business owner here in the downtown area. So, I of all people, I think, understand how important foot traffic is. But I would like to just review what happened earlier this week at the city um meeting, city uh board meeting. We approved a category of funding that was meant to help our community. And that included taking thousands of dollars away down to zero for youth basketball and other programs in this city. And now we're going to consider taking away taxable dollars that could have solved that problem or can be there to solve the problem in the future. I I definitely understand that foot traffic is lacking and I live out in Holton. I'm in the county, but I live in Holton. And I had said Monday night at the meeting, I if I don't leave my house by 910 p.m., I might as well not even come out to Moskegan because there's not anything going on on Western. And I would argue that if we instead focused on policies that we say are meant to keep our communities safe, but are not actually c like solving the harm that has been caused, not addressing the harm that has been caused. And then we're going to say yes. Say no to hardworking companies that have been giving to this community. And then say yes to organizations that are

faith-based at a time like Maggie said when the line between church the and state are is getting blurred. I as a veteran am wondering what is going on in this country. What did it mean? What did my PFC web die for? not in battle when he came back and was sick from the burning toxic pits that they made him stir and did the government take care of him? No. So, I am all for serving the community. I am I deeply rever my relationship with my creator and I am civically engaged and ready to actually steer this country the way it goes. And Moskegan has a unique opportunity to be a clear example of what diversity coming together can look like. And so I welcome faith-based, but on Western when you guys just limited a small business just trying to extend their drive-thru by two hours. As a mom and a veteran and as as sitting on the planning commission in Holton, I understand that it's hard to maybe make decisions, but we have to be brave enough to make the ones that are going to carry through the chaos that we are currently facing. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Anybody else? Yeah, right. We've got a little bit of a line going. Thank you. Your name, please. Hello, my name is John Ramonus and I am a downtown resident. Uh recently, uh purchased a condominium not that far from downtown, which I use to great effect to browse the shops and take up the nightife that is Moskeegan. Having moved from Ottawa County, uh I work remote. A lot of my time is spent in my house and is spent uh in the businesses around my house uh for lunch,

for dinner, for the night life. Um it's, you know, it's one of those things that brought me the the revitalization of downtown, which brought me back to this community. I was born and raised here on over in you know the township and you know I was here when the mall was here. I was here after the mall wasn't here and let me tell you I didn't see any churches lining up to help rebuild downtown. Um I'm not against religion. Uh my mother was a church administrator for you know 26 years in Grand Haven. Uh religion was one of the founding uh pieces of my upbringing. However, um uh you can walk a block in either direction or uh maybe even two blocks in either direction and throw a stone and hit a church in downtown. So, it's not like there's a lack of his holy presence in the greater downtown area. Uh this area is for the night life. It is for the day life. It is for the businesses that support our community and have been supporting our community for the long time through the thin through the thick through the thin. Um I respect the the person who brought the issue forward. Uh foot traffic is not indicative of a business's progress or a business's revenue. In this internet age, people are very resourceful. they can make their product and sell product online. Um, just because you know you guys don't see people going in and out of the building does not mean that a business is not generating revenue. It is not paying its rent. And I have been a patron of many of the shops that have

graced the Century Club um area and uh it would be a disservice to our community to allow this reasonzoning. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Someone in the back. Yeah, thank you for your time. Um, I just wanted to address that uh separation of church and state. I think what's present been presented here by uh multiple speakers is a misinterpretation. Sorry, sir. Could you give us your name? Oh, Aaron writings. Yes. Uh, it's a lack of understanding of what that is. I believe that comes from a letter between Thomas Jefferson and a maybe a Baptist preacher or something back in his day. and and the preacher was concerned that the government would get into religion. He was concerned about keeping government out of religion, not religion out of government. So I think uh that that has been uh you know misinterpreted and um it's been an inaccurate uh reference to that today. So just wanted to clear that up. Comment at this time can only take one comment per person. Do I have other folks who'd like to address the commission as of now? Okay. May I'm sorry. Do you want to address this? Please come forward. My name is Bo Van Sulka and uh guess before I get started here. I'm a formerly licensed social worker. Um I used to work over at the county mental health. So what I would say here is this city like many in this country has more churches than homeless shelters. Last I knew, there were two homeless shelters in the city. Not very many. I went and just quickly Googled the church before I got up here. There's nothing on their website about what they do for a community. Um, I agree with everyone that po come up here and talked about the taxes and all of that. Um, I don't want to raise things that have already been kind of mentioned, but I stand behind all of those reasons, but what I

would say is um, also part of my degree was I studied public administration. And it's really really important for urban areas like this one to have culture. This city I think I just quickly Googled some statistics so anybody there about 11,000 black people in the city and about 1900. You come up here and you talk about a white dominantly church not saying that they're not inviting other people. Um I wouldn't even say that I'm against faith or any of that. I'm also a transgender. When I see a church down on Western Avenue that is not gonna attract not because I'm against faith. It's because has been happening in this country currently and historically. That's a dangerous ground that we're on. I was just watching the news before I came in here saying that he wanted people like me executed. People like me are scared right now. This is one of the last see I know that with the traffic issue. Um, what I would also say is churches aren't employers realistically. They kind of employ their own. They're very limited in staff. We need jobs here, especially for the times that we're included on their thing. There's a number of churches around here that do food pantries. Again, I don't want to put them down. Those are the things that I would like to see. I saw something. Also, I think it's important to remember green space and how we can create more of those. When we have buildings that are wider versus vertically and taking up spaces like that, we're not doing anything for our environment. Churches aren't doing anything for our environment. And I bring that up because it's important to remember that we have more churches than things like shelters, too, right? But they're also taking spaces like community gardens, things like that. I agree with Bill. There's plenty of homes and other

buildings that they could park wouldn't create noise wouldn't drive people like me away. I also believe the city is in a very unique but we're a kind of city of tourism as well. So again Thank you for your comment. I am not seeing any. Okay. Anybody else is getting ready to comment, just let me know so that I don't go to the phones and miss you. My name is Bob Barrett. I'm a Moskegan native uh and a business owner. Um this particular church has been um something that I've been involved with since the very beginning. It's been a um a desire of mine to have this kind of church come to Mskegee. Um, I'd just like to say that to you, I can't address you guys. Um, I am very sorry for any hurt that you've uh, anyone in the community has endured or um, neglect or a sense that the church's um, going to be hostile in any way to anyone. That's not our intention. That's not most churches intentions. Um, I would also say that most great cities have churches mixed in with their business spaces. you know, there's great churches on the Michigan AB in Chicago, New York, tons of them. They're they're replete in the community in the downtown areas in that context. Um, I'd also say that, um, our church is very new. Um, we're we're we're just about to celebrate one year of meeting. So, the idea that we don't have a ton on our website. I built the website. Um, and the content on it is very limited right now because we're so new there. It's not that we don't intend to serve this community. It's just because of that. Um, so I would ask that you vote

yes to this. Um, the building is great for what we need it for. Um, it is not great as a retail space. As the owner has indicated, tried to sell it for seven years. It doesn't sell. It's not great for retail. Um, it is great for a purpose like a church. So, thank you. Thank you for your comment. Hi, commissioners. Thanks for your time today. My name is Jacqueline Walker. I am an attorney and an urban planner, both. Um, I'm currently working as an urban planner. I love Mskegeegan because of what it's doing and this revitalization that everybody's been talking about. What I do want to just reiterate again is that I am as there as an urban planner, I understand why you did the form-based code the way you did. It makes a lot of sense, right? Retail in one strip. It does. It just makes sense. And I understand why everybody is excited about that. The problem is that it has failed. Seven years of failing. And the building is a civic building by nature. So if we we can be idealistic about it and say we're going to keep doing retail here and we're going to try to keep it retail, but that just clearly has not worked. We're not talking about one month or two months or even one year or two years. And nobody's even bought the building or attempted to. So if we're going as an advocate for city development and a huge Moskegan fan, if we're actually going to move forward, we need to do something different. And sometimes that looks scary and feels scary, especially in this climate, but foot traffic and getting people downtown, getting youth down there at odd hours to patronize the city to be there and to fill those spaces is actually doing what we're saying we want to do. It just doesn't look and feel like we thought it was going to. So, I just want to encourage you to maybe being brave in the situation is doing something different than just doing what we've been doing over and over again. Isn't that the definition of

insanity? So, I just want to put that out there again. Gary has tried to sell it for seven years. We can at least try to do something viable with the building. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. All right. I am not seeing any additional audience members. We one round. Sorry about that. Um, and so we're going to go to the phones and see if there's anybody who would like to call in. The phone number is 231-724-6721. All right. I am not seeing anyone calling in. Is that correct? All right. Motion to close the public hearing was requested. So moved. Support. Moved and supported to close the public hearing. At this time, we can move to discussion. I do have a couple questions. All in favor? All in favor of closing the public hearing. I I oppose say no. Hearing none. Go ahead. Question. So, I have a a couple comments. One is um I guess one's a question to Mike, is is this property a part of a special um assessment district or bid or anything of that nature where it where the property owners pay something in addition to property taxes? Uh had previously been in the bid, but that has expired. I'm not aware of any. So it's not any kind of special assessment district. No. So special taxing district. Okay. Um and then I guess and my comment then is I would agree that the building is

unique. I don't know if I agree that it's a civic building um by nature, but it definitely is unique and I think it because of its age and because of its original configuration, it probably presents some difficulty um in terms of using it for um retail. Um and we seem to be focused on that being a difficult use, but potentially there's other uses um besides retail um you know possibility of uh renovation for uh housing or um office or commercial in in the structure. So I I think we're talking about one thing only and there maybe there's other uses um as well. Thank you. Um I did have a question. We'll continue discussion, but um in is the intended purchase to um allow the um church to have entire use of the building or would they only be operating on one floor and allow other uses to continue? Uh we'd have to have the applicant discuss that. But again, this is for any property in the downtown. So it wouldn't just um pertain to them. It would be for any sability. And I just wanted to clarify whether retail would continue or with the purchase it would they said that they wanted to discuss that. Okay. Options, bookstores, things like that. Right. So those would be retail run by the new owners which would be the church versus leasing out to others. That's my question. But but when you said it could be available to any other building, you're talking about a civic building. A civic building. But any other property that happened to have a civic building, even if there's not one now, they were to build one. So looking at it from the formbbased code and and the zoning standpoint and other buildings that could be impacted as I'm in my mind going up and down Western Avenue CIO Hall comes into question that I think could arguably

arguably be a civic building. Um and I think there's probably other ones that from the historic nature of its use would be impacted by this too. So does that change how we look at the situation as commissioners? because we're focusing on this one building and in the in the write up it was on this one building but since we're looking at things from a a broader point of view about the entire zoning district what are the implications on that? Can we pull up the current zoning district because this code is actually divided between um downtown and Main Street and they do not have the same allowable uses and the space is not that large. So I do think it's important to visually understand there is those other places are exclusionary. So there's different downtown context areas, one being Main Street, one being downtown. They are different. Um and we have different and I can't remember where the boundary is. Yeah, that's why I think it's helpful for us to understand really what it applies to. I'm going to pull that up. Okay. Um, and in the meantime, although there probably still going to be questions to you, I have more questions. Um, for civic, um, sorry, forgive me. For churches allowed, um, in any space, there is a parking requirement. Um, and so I need to understand where that parking is expected to be located because it's different than the current use. There's no parking requirements in the downtown. Okay. Then, do we have any questions? Go ahead. while he's looking at the map. I I just want to make a a few comments and maybe a question comes out of them, but these are uh observations. Um and one thing right away I want to um uh say that this is not a discussion on separation of church and state. This is a conversation or discussion on approved

uses by our our current zoning. Uh and that's it. Thank you. Uh that that's the only purview we have. Okay. Is to determine what's appropriate use for you know by the current zoning and is there an opening for a variance. All right. And and that's all. Um, but I, as Brian did, I I I do have um some questions on, you know, defining this as a uh civic building. Uh, though historically significant. Um, that's because it was very exclusive u operation. It was the uh, you know, cigar and brandy crowd, you know, back in the day. Um, you brought this up the CIO hall, maybe a civic, but that's exclusionary, too, because you got to be fully a member, you have to be a union member. You know, it it's not fitting in my mind the clearest definition of the examples that, you know, you've shown, whether it's the museum, existing churches, library, um, items like that. It does get very subjective, but that's my viewpoint. That's a good point. Um, the CIO usage, you know, could be claimed as a a civic type of use. I I suppose I looking at the building, it does look more of a traditional type of retail building that could be used for anything. So, right. But it's uh with with the current building if if I'm operating from our reality right now

with foreign base code we implemented in approximately 2015 right the sentry club was um acquired and the intent was to be you know retail from the get-go even prior to 2015. Um so that's a better part of almost quarter century you know and it was purposely commercial and the foreignbased code presents no hardship in operating a commercial enterprise and a lot of times when we're asking for variances it's because somebody has a hardship but whether or not an individual can sell a building or not is not a hardship you know, imposed upon them because of the existing code. Um, I'm I'm inclined to agree in that regard that while, you know, folks have intentions, but when it comes to selling a property that that's not necessarily the factor here. Um, I'd also like to point out that if you see the visual on the screen here, that the red is the downtown um context area and the kind of greenish is Main Street. So, Main Street has similar um characteristics, but has more allowable uses. You'll see there's a church across from Hackley Park there on third um within that Main Street already. Um and so Main Street does allow um for churches in civic buildings. So, um regardless of whether or not it is a civic building, the question is should churches be allowed in civic buildings in the downtown district? And I think that's the question that we need to and and that's the conundrum. But the uh but currently I don't feel that the request complies with foreignbased code and I think we might be really getting into as far as what our obligation is

when it comes to making sure that our our choices aren't slipping into uh uh spot zoning or or anything else which can really cause us some legal headaches. Um I I think we have to be mindful um of that because would we then not be conforming which we are are required to to make sure that this is matching our master plan our formbbased code our land use map so on and so forth you know so if if we have to have an exercise to see what can or cannot be um allowed I know that opens up a whole another can of worms terms because we've, you know, just went through uh master plan review and whatnot, but if if we're if we're looking at these itty bitty bits and pieces once in a while, I I I really think we're we're at risk. Uh we're we're risk there. Um, you know, it's I I think that some of this is beyond our purview and our purpose. Um, but I but I'm really really hesitant with these uh spot uh decisions. Um, and again, this has nothing to do with church and state. It has, you know, nothing to do with picking winners or losers. It's that, you know, we're dealing with what we have. Formbased code was very intentional, uh, and very, you know, uh, intensive when it came to community input. And uh I I at at at at this juncture um I don't think that uh I would uh support a

variance uh at this time. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. So I um got a lot of different thoughts on this. I wouldn't uh go so far as to say consider this spot zoning. While it is the the impetus for what we're being what's being considered is a single property, what is being requested is um for a much wider area that's already zoned. So, it's just allowing churches within civic buildings within the downtown text downtown context area. So, in that regard, I wouldn't necessarily consider it spot zoning. Um that said, my preference is to keep it as is in terms of the downtown context area and uh church not being included in the in the civic uh building. Um I'm sympathetic to both the church and his congregates as well as the property owner and um seems that this is is the activities coexist as it is. And so what's being asked here is to change the zoning to facilitate a land sale, a property sale. And while I'm certainly sympathetic to why the property owner wish would wish to sell it, and not only that, I very much appreciate the property owner's investment in the city of Mskegegan and being a catalyst and and at the forefront of downtown Moskegan's revitalization. The church is existing right now in that space. The church can continue to exist in that space. Some of the programming that the church's wishes to do could be done in that space under its current zoning. The change in zoning and thus allowing this property to be owned by the church would help facilitate a land sale, but then also create that tax exemption benefit. Yeah, it's like those while not in a special taxing jurisdiction, um is still within our downtown development authority and would

have impact on our DDA in a number of different ways. Not only from a taxing perspective, what's captured and is used for uh DDA purposes, but also in terms of um the support of commercial activities within the downtown development authority. I understand the concerns with regard to traffic or business sustainability there. I understand that um it may have been somewhat of a struggle. We're getting there. We're getting a new housing development right across the street and it's going to be scores of new residents living right across the street. Um there's still interest in finishing out the the next block over next door to Leonard which would again provide scores more of residents to live right nearby. That could be potential clients. I don't live nearby but I do go to the Century Club. I like the Sentry Club. It's a nice space. Um I think there may be opportunities for the city to to help connect that with our chalet and and see that as a potential transition space and um build out the entrepreneur ecosystem, but I digress in that regard. Um, with regard to the zoning, I couldn't support changing this, but I think it's kind of a moot point at the same time because if you look at what our civic building type is, it is a small, medium, or large size detached structure. This is not a detached structure, nor is the CIO building a detached structure. So even if we were to make this zoning change, it would not facilitate based upon my reading of the plain language and our formbbased code, it would not facilitate what you ultimately desire. So in that regard, I see this as a bit of a a moot point. Um okay, thank you. Um I will just make sure that I have the correct Again, I'm using my printed out copy, but there are some parking requirements in here, so I'll check the the uh internet version.

Um okay. Did you have any other comments? You good? I think we've asked most of our questions. Um I think we've asked most of our questions. Anything else over here? No. Good. Okay. Roll call, please. Nope. I don't have a motion. Motion. Sorry, I'm new here. I move that the request to amend section 2005.05 of the formbbased code to allow churches as a permitted use in civic buildings in the formbbased code downtown context area be recommended to the city commission for denial. support. Moved and supported. Roll call, please. Ryan Made. Yes. Leah Willlet Roy. No. Ken Johnson. Yes. Joe Montgomery. Geese. Yes. Jonath Jonathan Cyber. Yes. Yes. Motion passes. Okay. Motion passes. Moving on to Why does he put do that for me? It will go to the city commission still. This will go to the city commission on July 22nd. Okay. And now we have a case 2025-27 request for a special use permit to expand a non-conforming structure by no more than 30% at 3211 Edgewater Street. Uh yes. So, the the house uh at this location is considered non-conforming. It does not meet the side setback on the west side. Uh it looks like it's about 3 and 1/2 ft setback instead of the required five. So, that does make it non-conforming uh legally. Um the ordinance does allow a provision that you may increase a non-conforming structure up to 30% with the issuance of

a special use permit. uh 30% of this building uh would equal 384 ft and the addition is uh 350. So it does meet that requirement. Uh again they were just looking to um make the attic space another room and they would be adding on a dormer. Um we did send notice to everybody within 300 ft. did receive an email that I passed out before the meeting. If you had a chance to read it, um they are in opposition uh for a few reasons that they listed. Uh neighborhood impact, lack of clarity. They said they weren't sure what the intended use is. Uh it's just there's no change in use. It's uh going to be continued to be used as residential and they also said potential precedent. Uh and that was uh from a property uh it's not an adjacent prop not next to it but it is separated by three houses and a street. Okay. Do we have the applicant here with us today? If you'd like to address the commission. Thank you. Good afternoon folks. I'm Goodon and I make 3211 Edgewater our home. We've lived here now 6 years. We bought a 130 year old bungalow and we bringing it back to life. The first year we did the inside, second year the outside, and now we'd like to go with an addition upstairs. It actually will allow us to have a bedroom large enough to have a closet in it, a second bathroom. Um we don't want to infringe on our neighbors or encroach or uh you know obstruct any view which the final um design will not that do front dormer peak um will be no not higher than the existing roof right

now. So that should not um be an issue for our neighbors. I just want to add that we totally love Bluton and Moskegan. We've been here six years like I said and um in our beautifification project. We also hope that we are adding positivity to this environment which we know Moskegan is all about. I also apologize for my phone ringing. I just got a new one. The volume's supposed to be off. Very frustrating. I apologize. Thank you for your time today. If you'd hold just one moment, ma'am, do any members of the commission have questions for the applicant? Yeah, I do. Um and maybe it's Mike or the applicant. All the all of the uh all of the new construction is going up, right? Correct. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Nothing goes out. Thank you. Yeah. And and I wanted to ask Good point. I want to ask I I drove by the property and it's hard to see, but it doesn't look like your addition is going to obstruct any view. No, it won't. There's nothing up on that hill, right? We own that back small dune anyway. But even if someone in the back might go up higher, I don't even know if they are able to. Yeah, it was really hard to tell cuz you can't really get down the drive and look either. So there's no one sitting back up on the hill. No, there's not. There's not. And that's your property. Property up over the top of that hill. Okay, great. Thank you. What we don't have on the side, we have been in the back. Okay. Any other questions over here for the applicant? Any other questions? Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. And so back to my agenda. Not a hearing. Is a public hearing. Okay. Um as a public hearing, anybody in the audience wish to make a comment on this request? I am seeing none. Going to the phones. 2317246721. Thank you for the elevation by the way.

Nobody's currently calling in. I'll take a motion to close the public hearing. So moved. Support. Moved in supported to close the public hearing. All in favor say I. I. Say no. All right. That's approved and open for discussion. I move to approve the request for a special use permit to expand a non-conforming structure by no more than 30% at 3211 Edgewater Street based on the findings of facts in the staff exercise located in the staff report which we're about to do. Second. Moved and seconded. Any final discussion? Do we need to do you need to ask those question? I know you've answered it yourselves, but do you need to ask the question of us to confirm that we concur with your assessment? Yes, we do. Thank you for bringing that up. We have an exercise that we will complete. Can we do that collective? So one by one. Yeah. So as you see on the screen, there's a few questions that we're going to run through. I have answered them and I will just go through that again. And if you object to them, please raise your hand or speak and we will decide if we agree or not. So, uh, the standard questions for a special use permit are, would the proposed expansion be considered offensive or a nuisance because of any of the following? Increased traffic, staff says no. Increased noise, staff says no. Increased vibration, staff says no. Increased light, staff says no. And does adequate water and sewer infrastructure exist or will it be constructed or service the special use or activity? And yes, it currently does exist. Is there anybody that objects? I concur. Seeing none. Um, okay. And then just to address, you know, the the one complaint that we received, I I do believe that the allowance already for the 30% which we've already accounted for in non-conforming uses really resolves that. I think that that's pretty clear and maybe they were not aware of that indication. So, um, I'll also have no

further issues. Okay. Roll call, please. Steve, yes. Brian, yes. Will Loy? Yes. And Johnson, yes. Jill Montgomery Keys, yes. Jonathan Cipher, yes. Motion passes. All right. We got a first unanimous. Item D has been removed. We'll move on to item E in the agenda. Oh, sorry. E has also been removed as mentioned previously as well as D and E. Uh, no. Okay. So, F is next. We have 2025-30. Staff initiated request to amend the zoning ordinance to allow marinas as a permitted use in formbbased code lakeside mixed residential districts. Staff report please. Thank you. Um so a few things have happened in the past year uh that has made staff kind of look into the zoning districts that are currently available for Waterfront Marine. Uh we did have a gentleman last year who lives in this district in between um some of the marinas, but he has a home. There's several here that are are just homes and not marinas. Uh oddly enough, Waterfront Marine does not allow for houses. Um so that gentleman unfortunately had to seek a variance and there was no guarantee that he would be able to rebuild. Uh he was kind of at the whim of the ZBA. Uh fortunately they did approve him to rebuild the home. Unfortunately the setbacks are extremely large. They're 10 and 14 feet on the sides. So um that means a minimum of 10 and a total of 24 between the two. Uh oddly enough it does allow for um hotels and lodging just not residential. Um, so staff tried to research this and see why exactly Waterfront Marine does not allow for

housing even though there was houses and why these properties with houses were zoned that way. Uh, we did find the 1986 zoning map which is our kind of our standard for the older zoning maps to look back on and and this was zoned Waterfront Marine at that time. Uh, we couldn't really come up with an answer so we decided to check with the owners themselves. So, we held a focus group a couple months ago and got a few of the owners around the table just to ask them, "What are your plans? Are are you looking to keep this as a house? Are you looking to sell it to a marina? Are you looking to create your own marina? Um, what would you like to do? Um, for the most part, the homes that were existing there, they did want um just to have a standard house there. They had no plans for marina. Uh, except one there. They do want to have a marina there. Uh, a matter of fact, they do. Um, they have a small marina and they have an apartment, small apartment complex there, um, which is actually non-conforming. So, at first they were against, uh, they didn't want us to change their zoning, but once we got them around the table and explained um, that there could be issues, they they wanted us to look into it. Uh, and we also have another applicant, I believe, here, Dick Gzi, who would like to build a multifamily house on a property that was recently demoed. However, you can't build any type of housing under the current zoning. Um, so that's something we wanted to discuss. Uh, it was another instance where this could really, uh, you know, obstruct, uh, what people want to do with their properties moving forward. Um, Mr. Gazi also does want to have a marina. I believe he's already working with um, Eagle on that. However, his docks would only be for his residence.

So, that's technically not a marina, but the other property that does it has apartments, but they rent those separately. So, that is a marina. So, we're kind of at a pass. What staff is proposing is we have a lakeside formbbased code designation called lakeside formbbased code mixed residential that allows for housing and commercial units. It does not allow for marinas but maybe it should. So, we looked into that and what we are recommending is that we allow for these as marinas with the caveat that it must be it must have Moskegan Lake frontage. That way, we don't get a marina that just uses it for boat storage. We do have that in the area. It is what it is now. Uh but we wanted to Good point. Maybe not add to that. Right. So, what this would do is allow for marinas with Moskegan Lake frontage to have marinas. And then what we would like to do, uh, we did pull this next case, but, um, coming back next month, we would like to actually once this is approved, come back and reszone these properties to that lake lakeside formbbased code mixed residential. This is supported by the master plan. Even though it may not look very pretty on a map, we're going to have some properties brown that say waterfront marine and some say green. Uh but they're both supported by the master plan in the future land use map. Future land map land use map describes this area as lakeshore which is a mixture of uses on the waterfront. Uh so that would include residential uh marinas and commercial. And why this would work great as well is that these new this new lake lakeside mixed residential would also allow for other

commercial uses. So we could start seeing some retail commercial options in this area what could make it more vibrant. So that staff's recommendation is to um amend the ordinance to allow for marinas with um Moskegan Lake waterfront as a permitted use of principal use as a right. Okay. A question. Okay. And so technically we don't have an applicant because this is a staff initiative request. Correct. I just wanted to ask and I I just need a little bit of clarification on the the marinas and slips. Is that something that's determined by the by eagle on the number of slips that you could actually have for both? Yes, that's uh it's completely out of our hands. Yeah. Okay. I needed to know that to make a good vote, right? Technically, is this a hearing? I wish it should be that early. I know. Why does it say that? Okay. Um, so it being a public hearing, we will allow anybody from the audience who would like to speak on this item to come forward at this time. General public hearing. If you'd like to make any type of comment, I think we could do otherwise. I Mike pretty much said I guess everything we're looking to do. We're going to we've been okayed by Eagle to put five slips in across the front. Nothing. Okay. No docks going out further and um so we're already planning on starting that pretty quick. We're putting the silk curtain in right now and the turbidity curtain goes in next week. So we're going to go ahead and get that part of it done. And then what I would like to do is put up like a eight unit threetory um condominium. Eight. Yeah. And that's um and hopefully

with garages and um we're hoping to be able to keep the side setbacks pretty small if that's possible. Um, yeah, I don't pretty much covers what we're looking to do, you know, and I think it'd be a it'll be kind of a unique development on the water and I think it look kind of um resorty, you might say. So, that's what we're going for that look. Yeah. Resorty. Is that a new word? What's that? Is that a new word? Resorty. Oh, no. Oh, it's old. It's okay. We're still just in public comment, so forgive me. Um, thank you for your comment. Yes. Anybody else have a comment from the audience? Oh, hearing none. And go to the phones. 2317246721. Switching the order. While we wait, I would like to I don't know if I mentioned it, but this zoning district would allow for small multiplexes as the highest density. So, that is six units. um would not be able to get to the eight. Um we have talked to him about that and his developer. Um but his property is large enough to split. So it's you could potentially get that many units on two parcels. Okay. All right. Um and that's three story, right? My and it does go up to three stories. Okay. Because I remember that piece. Do you have anybody calling in on the phone? No. Okay. Just for the purposes of discussion. Uh motion to close the public hearing. So moved. So moved support and supported close the public hearing. All in favor say I. I. Any oppos say no? Hearing none. Public hearing is closed. Okay. And then would anybody like to make a motion so that we could discuss? I move that the request to amend the zoning ordinance to allow marinas is a permitted use in formbbased code lakeside mixed residential districts be recommended to the city commission for

approval. Second. Okay. Moved and supported to move forward with the zoning ordinance amendment. Yes. I just did have a little comment looking into the future cuz I'm a big time boater. So, I'm like pro marina and all that noise. We really ought to start looking at wake limits um for our lake as we develop some of that lake shore. Um increasing the boat traffic on it will do some damage to that precious shoreline that we have. Um, so we might want to start thinking about that in the future and looking at um, wake limits. I know that a lot of the other lakes that are in the area have um, limits like that like Spring Lake um, over 27 ft, no wake, the entire lake, those kinds of things just to preserve what we have. I don't want to wash out your ducks, right? So yeah, save your shoreline. That's the only comment I had to say. We don't have a particular development in front of us now, but obviously we're thinking of the future. Think about it. So now I'm curious about that because I did hear about the state is talking about potentially changing the law to allow more uh flexibility in terms of weight control, but do we have any priv influence that presently? We looked at in that before. It's it's not determined by the city. I I forget which jurisdiction. It's probably it's the it's the county sheriff's office. Yeah. sheriff's office then you got to get my in from all the different jurisdictions because it require the whole like but talk to Spring Lake they do it spring lake Frisburg so yeah I'm just understand the process and what what it's it also be it's a safety factor too so that's really good thing to think about I I do think it's worthwhile to review our marine ordinances and riparian rights yeah we can't um regulate the number or

types of boats on Mosqu Lake because it's a federal safe harbor Um, however, if we have opportunity to look at uh regulating wake, I think that's something that we should it'd be good for everybody. We also still need to, even though we can't regulate the number or types of boats on Moss Lake, our master land use plan does call for us to complete a carrying capacity study for Mosskegan Lake. So, that's something that we still uh need to pursue. Just a reminder. Yep. Yep. More boats the better, right? But let's just keep it safe and do it the right way. Um, additionally, I think that, um, we could look at making sure that we're whenever possible allowing for viewsheds as the shoreline continues to develop because this area in question has lots of boats being stored. But, you know, to some folks that's that's part of the character of the area and so the character of the area will change considerably when it is all residential development. So, just being able to see I think is going to impact the neighborhood. So, we want I love that noise with the Hollywood clang. Don't you? Ding ding ding ding ding. I love that. Okay. Okay. So, the matter at hand though, any other specific discussion? None here. Nothing here. Okay. Take a roll call then. And Johnson? Yes. Jill Montgomery Keys? Yes. Jonathan Cypress? Yes. Steve Goward? Yes. Ryan Mazade? Yes. Leo Willlette Loy? Yes. Motion passes. All right, moving on. We've taken out 31 and so that concludes our public hearings. Do we have any unfinished business? No. No unfinished business. Any new business? Nobody else wants to bring the business. Okay. I do just have a question. Well, she would. Well, I was going to say just a reminder that the um step

shoreline and trails trailing trails and greenway planning is still underway and it's the project page on connect mskegan on our trolling city.com website. It's still active and the survey is still online and available for people to give input through July 15th. So, next Tuesday, July 15th is the deadline um for receiving feedback. Okay. I would also like to ask if we have just because I didn't see one. Was there a 2025 work plan for the planning commission? Saw 2024 in my notes. If I don't have 2025, could you share that? I know we're halfway through, but if there's things that we want to make sure to address this year, um I want to make sure that we're mindful of them. And then the other item is wanting to know how we can bring forward some of that conversation about um basically you know marine ordinances and our specific kind of waterfront capacities in the city. I want us to look at that in advance of additional requests as much as possible. You're here to request that to get put onto a very recent future agenda. Go ahead. One other comment, and I meant to share this in the previous items, but I just wanted to um applaud and thank staff for uh their intentionality in convening with neighbors um on a few of these different items, bringing together property owners, residents, and stakeholders to have those conversations to help inform um what you bring forward to the planning commission and inform your own recommendations. So, I just wanted to um applaud and thank you for that work. Thank you. The focus groups have been working out just great. So, everyone appreciates it. Very cool. I have questions. Yeah, I just wanted to ask if are there any updates on um the sappy sappy property of the Winward point? I don't Jonathan. Sorry. Yeah. Um I have to do things in order. No, no. I just was remembering. Go ahead. Okay. Um we we have continued to work

with the developer. Things are looking promising as it moves forward. There's some internal steps that are occurring uh but nothing necessarily really public yet but it is moving forward and it's looking like it's moving in the right direction. Oh, great. Super awesome. We should share um it was shared on Facebook today a visual to understand the traffic flow at LA Point and Hart Shorn. Um but just to to share here and let everyone know um go to Facebook, go to the city's website, you can find this information but also at home. Um, so Adelaide Point Boulevard, um, or is it just called LA Boulevard? Um, I think this is LA Adelaide Boulevard. Yes. Um, at the where Western pretty much dead ends all the way down there. That's the entrance and exit for Adelaide Point and Hartshorn uh, Launch Ramp and Park. And the driveway east of Fanos will remain accessible, but for trailer traffic only. And so that's Yeah. trailer traffic exiting only. Yes. Um doing this like this way exiting. Yes. Uh so I knew what you meant. Coming out of the launch ramp and so trailer parking will be east of the launch ramp. That's trailer parking only. General parking for people who want to use the park. Um or other facilities over there is west of the launch ramp. Um but trailer parking only east of the launch ramp and then um exiting for trailer parking. Trailers, vehicles with trailers may exit through that driveway. Um, so that's to help improve traffic flow as well as safety um of the area. So just Are you doing some really nice waypoint signs so I don't pull in there with my trailer in the wrong drive and then have to back it up and really mess things up? Yes, there's um Okay. So we're updating the signs on Western Avenue. There are signs on Western Avenue now that do direct people to the Adelaide Boulevard. Yeah. um entrance which is past that three-way stop in

front of Franos. Uh when you come up the driveway, if you were to go up the driveway at Fanos, there are do not enter signs, but you could always pull into the Fano's parking lot and turn around. Good. So that's So you you still have the be the ability to do that. It's that narrow area near the bike trail that that we're having kind of the congestion problem at. Sure. And this this change is consistent with what the PUD approvals had originally been uh with uh Harbor West. Uh when that whole development was going through that um driveway east of Fanos was intended to be um what wasn't intended to be the permanent uh access point um ingress and egress for Hart Shorn once those other developments occurred. Um, but we're fortunate that it's still there for exit and for people to use in that capacity which really allows the car traffic and the trailer traffic to be separated. Um, another thing about traffic design because I travel that way a lot. I live, you know, over in Lakeside. Um, another traffic circle right there in front of the Shaw Walker would be the berries because the traffic is starting to really increase going back and forth. That's really old. Sorry, I did that myself. I was like, that's a new one. Yeah. Yeah. Old for me, new for you. But yeah, that would be really great because traffic is really starting to increase there. And when we get all those folks living down in that particular area, it's going to get a little congested. And right now, while we have space, it'd be a good time to take advantage of that. Okay, cool. Just throwing that out there. Okay. Uh we do actually have a public comment period. No, we took it up though. So, um, welcome with all our public address for any public comment regarding the planning commission. Seeing none, I'll go to the phones. 2317246721.

That was so weird when we got a phone call because we never get phone calls. Nobody ever cared. It's like, wow, somebody actually cared. Anything on the horizon? Seeing none. Okay. Going to close public comments and I would accept the motion. So moved. Supported. Moved and supported. All in favor say I. I am. I closed. Stay here by yourself. I like that. Thank you everyone. [Music]