Library Advisory Commission - Regular Meeting

Technically, you can hear me. Okay. That's good. Alright. Perfect. Okay. Alright. Good evening. The April 21, excuse me, 2025 meeting of the library advisory commission is called to order. Would the secretary call roll for determination of quorum, please?

Chair Golterra?

Here.

Vice chair Meeker?

Here.

Commissioner Gabbott? Here. Commissioner Laverne Davis?

Here.

Commissioner Nicole Davis? Here. Let the record reflect all commissioners are present.

K. Wonderful. Let's please rise for the pledge of allegiance, please. Okay. Let's go ahead and move on to the approval of agenda. Commissioners, are there any changes to the agenda? Okay. Seeing none, may I call for a motion and a second, please, to approve the agenda?

I'll motion.

I'll second the motion.

Okay we have a motion and a second. Please use your iPads there to vote.

Motion carries unanimously five zero.

Okay let's go ahead and move on to the administrative update. Mr. Resilius are you ready? Do you have any staff updates? Sorry I just make

I just do your name like It's okay. No worries.

No worries. Sorry.

Thank you Chair, Vice Chair, and fellow Commissioners. Yes, have two updates. The first update will be on the children's library expansion, and I have Katie Mathewson, Youth Services Supervising Librarian, with me here today to make that presentation, and afterwards we'll do the general library updates. So to start off with this presentation, it's going to be on the children's library expansion. We just wanted to give you an overview of where we're at, where we're going, and what we are doing.

So first off, the library was built in 2007 with a 2,700 square foot section. This was the one that was built in Town Square Park. We had an older one was in the Los Alamos shopping area, and and we moved from from there. So all that time, a planned phase two expansion was planned contingent on funding. Unfortunately, we received some of that funding through a California State Library grant entitled Building Forward, and that was awarded to us in 2023.

That provided us roughly 1,500,000.0 in funds, and we matched it with a 50% match. So what are we doing? We are going to expand our children's library. This screen went dead, so I'll look up at the top here. Okay. It's back. Thank you. Sorry. Sorry. We we all have our hiccups here.

4,500 square foot expansion of the children's library, and so the intent is to greatly enhance programming programs, do more story times, have a multipurpose room, and just increase the available space for our collection in the library to to to meet the growing demands of our community. So we have a brief video presentation here on why the expansion is important, and this was just recently created and we interviewed library patrons, myself, Katie, Ashley, one of our children's librarians, and Kevin Kuhn, our foundation president, saying a few words here. So let's go ahead and play the video.

My kids enjoy the library now because of the librarians. Number one, they're really nice and they get to know the kids and what they're interested in. This is where a lot of your kids can learn about new topics. By getting those donations in to help build up the expansion, you're really opening up kids' worlds and helping them grow to be somebody different and somebody new.

The library community here is changing in Murrieta, and we really want this library to mimic the needs of our community. I certainly look at this as an opportunity to cement my legacy in being part of a a public project for the good of everybody in Murrieta.

Growing up, the history of the library has gone through just as much changes as Murrieta has. We had to go to a different city to use the library. And so not only was that library taking care of their own community, they were also taking care of our community. If you think about the population from 2,007 to 2,025, the population has already grown significantly, not only for our communities, but come and do business in Murrieta. And that expansion will make sure that not only is this library for books and leisure reading and research but it's also going to be a community hub for people to get together homeschool families, charter schools.

There's a lot of people who travel outside Murrieta and go to some of our charter schools here, and they can use this as a space to gather. And that's something that we're already running out of room, and that doesn't take into consideration how much we've already grown in the last eighteen years.

Children's represents 6060% of our circ and 70 or more percent of our our our visits. So we really never have had the space that we've needed to even serve the community the way that we want to today. So when I think about how the new library will strengthen and expand opportunities in our community, I think of just this this bigger space including so many more resources for our kids to be able to utilize. And not just our kids, but families.

We are so blessed to be so relevant in this community and so needed. But honestly, just not having those age developmental specific areas for our younger kids to play, it makes it really difficult able going going to

do that.

And

me every day, Mommy,

is it time for story time?

It's not just the programs, it's the people here too that have made such a difference in her life. We're very thankful for them. We're very grateful the opportunities that the library has given for her to grow. I think that the expansion is only going to make that even better and benefit even more kids.

The community support matters because it's truly an investment in our future. The children are our future and investment in them really speaks to the value of our community and support for what our community can become as we grow into the future.

It's important for the community to know that expanding the Murrieta Public Library is not just important to families with young kids, it's important to all of us By offering more spaces for kids to learn and play and explore, we're helping to create the next generation of great citizens for Murrieta.

We're really excited about you being a part of this. No amount is too is too small. And so it'd be really important for you to be a part of this, and we're looking forward to that opportunity to have you have you join us.

Open up my

Okay. So as you can see, that was Lisa, one of our storytellers. She's a great storyteller, has an amazing and she does our baby story time, and she's just phenomenal. You can just see in the eyes of those young children, right, like, this is why we're doing it. This is what we're doing it for. This is who we're doing it for. This is for our community, for the future of our community. So that was that was a great production. It was for our library foundation. So right right now, they're in a a fundraising campaign, which I will will mention later in the in the slides.

Let's see here. Go on to the next slide. So what exactly are we doing? Going back to the project site, as you can see, for those of you that have been to the library, we have the Carol Carson Garden Of Verses right there. That's what exists right now. The project space is going to be included within those yellow boundaries. And what we're going to do is expand the building out into the current Garden Of Verses and expand the current Garden Of Verses out to the sidewalks. As you can see, line goes all the way out to the sidewalks. So not only will we get a bigger building, we'll also get a bigger community space for our garden. And I'll let Katie take the next few slides here.

Thank you.

Okay. So on the right hand side with those two pictures, that is currently our children's space. And you can see how it expands into the back. It's not a huge space. And on the left hand side, that picture is particularly important because that's the space that we need to expand.

What you can't really see is all the board books, the picture books, the beginning leveled readers, And that's for that whole group from zero to five that we really need to offer more space to. So this particular rendering that we have, you can see already just open inviting space for exploring and learning and playing. Off in the left hand side, that's more of a toddler space. There's manipulatives on the wall. There's more of an exploration station feel where kids can really start practicing more of their fine motor skills and also just learn and play and imagine.

Off on the right hand side, you can see a caretaker that's getting some work done while her baby is safely ensconced in a play space where they can be safe there and not just wander away. Oops, I think I kicked something again. That's okay.

Our monitors keep going off.

Yes, it's fine. Beyond the caretaker space, you can see the little tree. There's a quad table there. We'll have four computers there that will be age and developmentally appropriate for the kids so that they can safely learn and explore on there as well. The shelving units that we have, all of them are child sized, And they really invite and encourage curiosity and imagination, and just offer a chance for kids to browse and find and seek, and just learn more about their worlds.

So in this picture, you can see a lot of the outdoor space that we're hoping to be able to incorporate. But more importantly, you can see in the pink all of the expanded space. Most important in the lower bottom part there is our multi purpose room space where we can have a retractable wall so that we can finally incorporate dual programming into the mix so that we can literally have two different story time programs happening at once. And then in the top section, can see we'll have a family restroom, and then there's also going to be workspaces, an actual workroom, storage spaces, all for children's staff. And obviously you can't quite see it here, but we're super excited about the fact that we're going to have glass, so we're going to be able to have an increased sight line.

And that's something we don't currently have right now. And then let me show you a little more in-depth of the outdoor space. So this is proposed. It's not totally done in stone or anything. Off to the left you can see ADA accessible planter beds where kids can actually be learning more about the growing cycles and how to plant, how to take care of the world and the earth.

You can also see a little dip in the grass space where we're hoping to have a mini amphitheater. We're really envisioning that as a space where we can do outdoor story times and also put together a chance for kids to have a play theater. Obviously, right now we don't have that right now. And then the one thing I do want you all to be aware of is that even though it looks in the picture as if that is grass, we will, of course, be offering some kind of a low water turf substitute because we don't want to make any of the water districts upset. And then this is just another angle for this.

You can see all of the spaces for lots of interesting and drought resistant plants, and lots of spaces for not just our children but for our families to enjoy and socialize together. And then one more picture. Again, you can see off on the left hand side those ADA accessible planter beds. You can see varied seating for everybody to enjoy. And of course, the big windows and the blue line spaces, that's going to be the actual expansion.

I'll go ahead and take this. Thank you, Katie. That was a great explanation. Fundraising is, as I mentioned earlier, the project budget is contemplating at least 550,000 through fundraising. And this was based on the original estimates provided to us from the architect firm.

But 1,500,000.0 would be even better because of we all know rising construction costs continually increase and increase every single year and especially lately. So we want to make sure that the project is seen through fruition and we are actually able to get all the things that we were hoping and desiring for in that fancy interior that we showed you at the last slides. So what we're doing is we're pursuing a grassroot approach. We're approaching potential large scale donors, and this is all in coordination with our Murrieta Public Library Foundation so thank you to their support. So right now we have raised approximately 240,000 towards the project which is fantastic.

I think Friends of the Library is going to donate a $100,000 Foundation has $100,000 and we've recently got a few additional donations including one from the Professional Women's Roundtable $10,000 Oh no, I'm sorry, 5,000. And then also, actually, one just recently came in. 1,000 from a a b c village. Thank you, a b c village. So so we appreciate the support. And so we it's really gonna be take a community effort. Right? So what we're asking all the commissioners and anybody who is watching, we need help spreading the word of our fundraising efforts. So whether, know, that be presentations to community groups. Any community groups that you have a contact with, we'd love to do a presentation.

We did coffee at the city. Recently, we did the medical leaders luncheon over at Rancho Springs. We're gonna do some at PTA. So any groups that you may have contact with, we'd be happy to present on the on the expansion. Boots at community events, we've been kind of out there at every single event. We've been we were at firefighters barbecue. Most recently, we were at extravaganza. And so, you know, we're just trying to get the small dollar donations, large dollar donations, because every single bit counts. And as the community supports it, it shows the support for the project in and of itself. So another thing is following the Murrieta Library Foundation and sharing their posts.

Right now, they're becoming more active on their social media. So if you could share their posts, we'd greatly appreciate it. And any connection to potential donors, any businesses that you feel that would be interested or individuals that want to leave leave a lasting impact on our community and for our future generations, you know, we appreciate that connection. And last but not least, the foundation is also doing a GoFundMe. So for those of you streaming live at home, there's the QR code.

You can you can go ahead and scan that, and it'll take you straight to the GoFundMe page. And, again, any amount, big or small, truly truly helps. So whether that be a $1 donation all the way up to 500,000, if anybody's out there listening and you have 500,000, they greatly appreciate it. But but either or, it's a community effort. Right? And so I think each each dollar really speaks volumes to the importance of the project and the impact it can have for our future generations. And that is the end of our report, so we'd be happy to answer any questions or receive any comments from our commission members. Thank you.

Okay. Well, thank you, mister Sullis. Every time I come in, it's you could see a new video, a new face, a new so I really appreciate I think we really appreciate your continued efforts in trying to make this thing a reality, this expansion a reality for us. So thank you so much. So I'm sorry. Staying on with mister Arcellus, may we now have your update, please?

Sure. Let me get the next page out here. So this is just the general library update. So few things I wanted to update the commission on. First, I have been receiving a lot of questions about the impact of the dissolution of the Institute of Museum and Library Services. Recently, as you may or may not know, there was an executive order to get rid of the Institute of Museum and Library Services. And so people have been asking me, what is the what is the impact on our library? What does that mean locally for us? And so I just wanted to make that clear so we all understand what what that means for us. So what it primarily means for us is well, so let me get let me back that up.

So what what the IMLS does is provide federal funding to the California State Library. And so the California State Library administers those funds in what is known as LSTA or Library Services and Technology Act grants. And so they they they have grants that are set up for the California libraries to apply to. So what it means is that when the IMLS is dissolved or it is dissolved, so basically the the federal funding for those grants also disappear. And so you might be wondering what do we have active right now.

Fortunately, we don't have an LSTA grant active right now. We had one for ebooks for the community of $20,000 grant application, but that grant has been unfortunately terminated. And some of the past projects that have received LSTA funding would be our library for all. So we we expanded our library for all program. That's the program that we do for patients with disabilities. We expanded it to to become for for all ages. That was one thing. Ebooks for all, which I had just mentioned. Our library of things, if you haven't been into our library, we we check out different type of materials that are not normally circulated in libraries. Some of the items in that collection have been purchased through an LSTA grant.

We also did our Earth Day celebrations. We had a local history storytelling grant in the past. Our seed library was also funded through LSTA. And the pollinator demonstration garden that you see on the outside closest to Town Square Park, that was also funded by LSTA. So so with that being said, we will have less opportunity for for grant projects moving forward with the limited budget that the that the state provides.

So looking other than that, you know, staffing, you know, those things are are not being cut. That that is locally funded through our library district fund and also a a portion of Measure T. So that that our services will not will not decline, but unfortunately, to expand them, we'll have to get creative and find other ways of expanding services without the without those federal funds. So I just wanted to make that clear. I'll continue we let me continue with the update, and then I'll open it up to any questions that that you may have after this.

Library moving on, shifting gears. The library has launched a new monthly partnership with the Riverside County Law Library titled unlocking legal resources. It's it's held every second Friday of the month from three to 5PM. And so, basically, they they we partnered with them and they we have a law library librarian actually at our site, and they have access to all the legal databases that the law library has here at our library. So if you need to do some legal research, that is the the prime time to do it.

So we're really excited about that partnership. Another partnership that we had just completed is with the Riverside County Department of Public Social Services and they offered in person assistance with cash aid, food assistance, health coverage, and they pretty much do one off ones. So they did one recently on April 9 and we're gonna try to schedule them to come out again. Another partnership that we have established is with the Riverside County Workforce Development Center. They will be on-site every Monday from from ten to two and they offer career planning, resume assistance, vocational training, and job market guidance, and pretty much just helping people find find find work.

Right? We had our In N Out cover to cover reading program, and it ended on April 12. That's when the In N Out generously provided some certificates or incentives reading incentives for kids who read at least, what, five books or three hundred minutes of continuous reading. And so right now, we don't have the stats, but we're totaling them up, and I'll report them at at the next meeting. And then another new update is we are now offering Prince.

It's a new mobile printing service. With Prince, you can basically print directly from your phone, and it's a more user friendly experience than what we had prior. Prior you had to you know upload it email it to an email address and then it was kind of convoluted so this one should streamline it and make it easier if you have your own laptop or if you have your own mobile device and you want to print directly to our printers. And last but not least, I just wanted to mention that the Friends of the Library are doing a Pick Up Stix fundraiser on May 3 where 25% of the proceeds will go back to the Friends of the Library. So if you don't have any dinner plans on May 3, Pick Up Stix is the place to go and just mention the mention the the fundraiser, and the proceeds will go to the friends.

And that's the end of my report, I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Hello. Hello.

With the, the library for all Mhmm.

The cutting of that, does that mean that's gonna go away? Or does it mean we just need to figure out a different way to fund it?

No. No. It's it's not going away. So, basically, it's it's going back basically, it's back to what it was before, a program that is for adults with, with disabilities. Right.

She gave us a presentation.

Yes. Correct. Yes. So fortunately, she she, meaning Agnes Rita, our adult services library supervising librarian, she is fantastic with a zero budget mentality. So she actually presented that at the last American Library Association of how do you do library for all with a zero budget, and so she's gonna utilize all of those ideas. Wow. Yeah. So but she's fantastic, and and she always comes up with some great ideas. So so in terms of adults, we don't anticipate that going away anytime soon.

Okay. Great.

Thanks. I have

a question. Sure. Going back to the fundraising. Mhmm. Has there been an uptick in donations as a result of the lawn signs that have been placed around in the community?

We can't really say for sure where the donations come from. So they can either say anonymous or or they'll they'll put their name on it. I can't say for sure where the how they saw it, but we do know when we've done some events inside of the library. So we did it during our double dog tails. We did one during our Lego Derby. And you can see that the the donations happened, like right when we were doing the table or a little bit after we're doing the table. So we can probably safely say that those particular ones were from from tabling. But in terms of the lawn signs, you know, they've been out. So when a random donation comes in, can't really say where that one's coming from.

If there's an event coming up and they donate a booth to you to have at the event, can they write that off? Can we

fix that? Get that answer for you. I'm not too sure, but I'm pretty sure. But I can I can check with our our city attorney and see if that's a possibility also with the foundation

Okay?

To see if that's a reality.

If not, is that something in the budget to, like, get booths at large events like that?

Currently, no. We're we were just basically asking for for, an available booth without charge, hopefully. Obviously, we know we have to spend money to make money, but we're trying to keep the the investment cost low.

Got it. Okay.

Okay. Let's go ahead and move on to public comments. So at this time, we will take public comments. Any person may address the library advisory commission on any subject pertaining to city business, which does not relate to any item listed on the agenda. Normally, no action would be considered or taken by the library advisory commission on any matter not listed on the agenda. Speakers are limited to three minutes. Madam secretary, do we have any non agenda public comments?

Thank you, chair. We do not have any non agenda public comments.

Okay. Having recognized that, let's move on to the consent calendar. So for approval of items one through two. All matters listed on the consent calendar are to be considered routine by the governing body and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed. There will be no discussion of these items unless before the governing body votes on the motion to adopt specific items are removed from the consent calendar for separate motions.

May I call for a motion and a second please to approve items one and two on the consent calendar? Any motions at all?

Motion to approve.

I'll second the motion.

Hold on one second. Okay. So we have a motion and a second. Second. Let's please vote at this time.

Motion carries unanimously, five-zero.

Let's move on to our discussion items. Mister Roussellis, may we have your report on the material selection policy, please?

Yes, chair. Let me let's let it get up there for a minute. Okay, great. Awesome. Thank you, chair, vice chair, and fellow library commissioners.

This presentation is on our material selection policy. And let me go ahead and go through it. So what we're going to do is present the updated material selection policy. The reason why we updated it is to confirm compliance with California Assembly Bill eighteen twenty five, the California Freedom to Read Act. And then we're going to solicit input from our Library Advisory Commission and request a recommendation for adoption.

So about AB eighteen twenty five. So the California Freedom to Read Act, basically what it does is requires public libraries that receive state funds, and we do receive state funds particularly with our Building Forward grant, which is the grant that's funding the library expansion, to adopt a written and publicly accessible collection development policy by 01/01/2026. And that collection development policy is basically another term for our material selection policy. So it's the same policy. So what does it include?

It should include selection and deselection guidelines of materials that we purchase for our library collection, reconsideration process for materials that are challenged, basically books that people want to take out of the library. It includes protections against censorship and discrimination and access, and also safeguards library staff for making good faith collection decisions. So what are the key provisions of AV eighteen twenty five? So basically what the law states, and I'm summarizing this and it is included in your packet. Basically, no censorship based on topic, author identity, or viewpoint.

Focuses on inclusive and diverse perspectives, which should not be excluded, provides for community input for a formal reconsideration process, provides staff protection. Basically it says that library staff can't be disciplined for curating inclusive content in good faith. And this applies to city and county libraries, the law specifically excludes school libraries. So we are a city library so this law does apply to us. So policy review and legal compliance.

We have made a few minor tweaks and edits and the policy has been reviewed by our city attorney and they have determined that our policy aligns with all the elements required under AB eighteen twenty five, the Library Bill of Rights, and the freedom to read statement by the ALA which is also included in your agenda packet. So the material selection policy in and of itself, what is it? What is its purpose? It's basically a guide for our librarians to develop a balanced representative collection of all the viewpoints in the community. It ensures access to diverse viewpoints, formats, and audiences, and it supports the educational and cultural and recreational needs of our community.

In that, it also includes a reconsideration process, as I had mentioned earlier. And basically, that's a multi step transparent process. So the first point is that patron brings up a concern and they bring it up to the staff. It could be the staff at the desk, could be an email. They they bring it up to the staff.

The staff then brings it up to the supervisor. The supervisor will then review it, make a determination, and if the determination is not to this to the liking of the concerned individual, they can submit a formal request for reconsideration to the library manager, myself, or whoever is in this position. And then if they still are disputing the determination by the library manager, then an appeal can be made to this very body here, the Library Advisory Commission. And if they're still not, you know, satisfied with the determination of the library commission, a final appeal can be made to the library board, which is in essence our city council. So that's kind of the the the this process.

And so, basically, what this process does is it ensures that materials are not removed arbitrarily or or or with any sort of bias. Right? It goes through several steps, and each step is transparent. So what are their responsibilities and protections? The library manager does hold the final responsibility for material selections.

The librarians use this policy as a day to day operating tool to to base their decisions on the policy for their collection development. But it does reiterate several times that parents and guardians and caregivers are responsible for the children's use of of the library. It is not the right of one one family to say that a book is not right for another family. Right? So they it it relies heavily on the responsibility of of the the parent or guardian.

And and basically, it it protects staff from any retaliations to make sure that they are abiding by clear and transparent policies. So what does this mean for the the Myriad of Public Library? Basically, positions it the library to retain state funding. Right? So we abide by AB eighteen twenty five. We'll be able to continue to receive state funding now and in the future. It reinforces our role as a welcoming, inclusive, and intellectually free space regardless of of your your viewpoint or position. And empower staff and protects the rights of all all patrons who come in our doors and and whatever viewpoint that they happen to to to hold. And then it supports public trust in our in our collections. That is it is fair and transparent and and unbiased.

So the action requested to you tonight is to review the attached collection development policy or material selection policy, discuss it, and either a, provide any feedback or additional recommendations. But if there are no further revisions suggested tonight, then we make a request to make a motion to recommend the adoption of the policy. So that is the end of my report. I'd be happy to answer any questions or receive any comments.

Commissioners, do you have any, any questions, comments?

I do. I have one question. Sure. Is there in this policy, and I didn't see it. It could be there, a method of parents and children giving indication as to the selection that goes to the library? Library?

I'm sorry. I don't quite under you you mean

The selection of the books.

If it do parents have a opportunity to provide input?

And the children.

Yes. Yeah. We do have comment cards that people can make either make rep recommendations for purchase. They can always pass those comments along to to the staff as well, and we take them onto took into consideration. And we always get people contacting us to buy certain books, and we we'd be happy to take those into consideration as long as they abide by the policy laid out here.

Right. And the cards in the library?

I'm sorry, what was that?

The cards are in the la the cards?

Oh, yes. They are in the library. Okay.

Thank you.

I can provide just a little bit more information. In the children's department, I do have just an item request form. And so the kids most of the kids know about it and a lot of the parents do too. And so sometimes they'll take them home and then bring them back to me. Sometimes the kids will just fill them out right there. It's a really easy way for me and the rest of my staff to just see what the kids are really looking for and what the parents are looking for as well. And nine times out of 10, whatever is written down, as long as it does follow the guidelines, I will ultimately end up purchasing.

You speak of adults with disabilities. The same policy applies to the children with disabilities, correct?

Yes, that's correct. Collection or the material section policy, is is, applicable to our entire collection.

Any other questions or comments from the commissioners? I had skipped this part before. Madam secretary, do we have any public comments about the material selection policy?

Thank you, chair. We do not have any public comments.

Okay. Are we ready at this point to make a motion and a second to approve this policy?

Yes.

Okay. Somebody needs to make a motion?

I make a motion to approve the material selection policy as it is.

Laverne Davis. Second.

Okay. We have a motion and a second. Let's vote at this time.

Motion carries unanimously five zero

Okay. At this time, we're gonna go ahead and move on to the commission members announcements. Commission member announcements is the opportunity for commissioners to provide miscellaneous reports and announcements. Excuse me for one second. Okay. So at this point, vice chair maker, do you have any public comments?

I do not. Thank you.

Commissioner Gabbitt?

No. I do not.

Commissioner Laverne Davis?

None. Thank you.

And commissioner Nicole Davis?

None as well. Thank you.

No problem. Let's continue with sorry. I made it assumptive that I don't have any public comments at this time either. Who am I anyway? Right?

Let's continue with commission members' request to add items to future agendas. As you know, we meet limited times during the year. So if you have any requests for future agenda items, this would be the wonderful time to do that. I just have one, I just have the one, mister Racels, about, we we hear lately about, you know, depart not departments, but to, like, funding being cut from one location. Our, you know, our basically, our myriad of history section of our library has been cut down or not even sure what that looks like at this point.

Kinda like the state of things right now. It's being the funding's being cut from one source, but now we're finding out it's coming from another. Or the funding hasn't been totally cut. It's just coming from a different source. Do you foresee any more budget? I don't wanna say cuts, but anything monetary that's going to affect this project moving forward.

Are are you referring specifically to the expansion project?

No. I called the project because we we're just ever growing. Over the last twenty two years I've been in the city, everything just keeps growing at an infinite rate, specifically recently.

Sure.

Just like books to the library, kids programs, what we're doing for our disabled community, all of that's super important. Mhmm. And I hate to see that funding go away. Mhmm. Do you foresee anything coming around the bend here that's going to have us concerned about our financial future as far as the library goes? I don't want to blanket it just to our expansion program.

Oh, sure.

Just the essentials of what we do right now.

Sure. Yeah. I'd be I would be happy to add that to the to the agenda for the next meeting. However, just to answer very briefly, we do have two funding sources that I had previously mentioned. One is property tax, which comes through our library district fund, and that is our main source of revenue.

The second source of revenue is Measure T. Measure T is primarily for public safety. However, we do get a small little tiny sliver of that to provide additional funding our budget. So through those two funding sources, how we have our revenues. And unless there is a large economic downturn where sales tax goes down and property taxes go down, then we don't see I don't see a huge cut to to our budgets locally. But I'd be happy to dive deep into into our budget and at the next meeting and provide a full report on our revenues and expenditures.

My second question is, what were some of the venues you suggested? You suggested PTAs at schools going and talking to them. A lot of people are doing their spring carnivals and everything at schools right now. It's a great time to get out. Is there any well, just named a couple. But is there any other places you think or you really want us to come up with some ideas on how to best Sure.

If you're referring to the presentations about the library expansion and how we can get the word out for expansion and the fundraising. Really, we're open to ideas. So we've gone to, I think, the rotaries. We've gone to market nights. We've gone to, you know, obviously, the bigger events. Right now, we're scheduling some with the with the PTAs. We've gone to some of the HOAs in the in the in the area. So so, yeah, if any community groups you think would be interested in in supporting this project, You know, we'd be happy to make a five more more like a ten to fifteen minute presentation. We tried a five minute one, that one was just a real And then it was over. So Yeah.

Yeah. So maybe ten ten minutes minimum would be nice.

Exactly. Okay. I was thinking like our our right here, we have a district PTA or a district library committee right here in Murrieta. And they used to meet was it monthly? I think it was monthly. They met. And all the PTA presidents and vice presidents from each school would show up to these library committees, and then they would just filter down to the elementary schools.

Oh, okay.

I think one one stop shop with a lot of exposure may be the and I don't know who the contact is, but I'll find out for you.

Okay. Great. Yes. We've we've requested the help from doctor Ward Ward Anders Anders? Yep. Superintendent for MBUSD. So he's been helping us schedule these with the with the PTA. So we're we're grateful for his support for the project. I

do think that'd be a cool thing to add to the agenda, like a time to share, like, fundraising ideas. Or I know, like, we can just email about it throughout the time, but I think it'd be kinda cool to hear from everybody too.

Absolutely. I think that's a fantastic idea. Okay.

Okay. I believe that for now, we those sound like three different agenda items we can add for next meeting. Do we happen to know when our next meeting is? Sorry. Didn't mean to

get you out there. Yeah. Madam secretary can answer that for us.

June 16. Okay. Alright. And let's see. And lastly, you may request anything in line with the okay. So I think we're good. So let's move into adjournment. With no further business, may I ask for a consensus to adjourn the meeting? Each commissioner should respond aye or nay. Aye. Aye. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you.