Library Advisory Commission - Regular Meeting

Alright. Good evening. 02/10/2025 meeting of the Library Advisory Commission is called to order. The secretary call role for determination of a quorum, please.

Chair Meeker?

Here.

Vice chair Golterra?

Here.

Commissioner Gabbott? Here. Commissioner Laverne Davis?

Here.

Commissioner Nicole Davis?

Here.

Let the record reflect all commissioners are present.

Thank you. And now please rise for the pledge of allegiance. Okay. At this time, I'd like to welcome our two new commissioners, miss Laverne Davis and Nicole Davis. Would you each like a chance to, introduce yourself?

Go ahead, Nikki. Sure. Maybe just, you know, hi. This is me. This is why I wanna do this. I meant to give you a warning,

but we we ran out

of time.

Like, how much information you want? We could be here all night. My name is Nicole Davis. Pretty much everybody calls me Nikki, so you're welcome to call me Nikki. I have lived in Murrieta my entire life, literally. So I've seen the library, all kinds of places, and I am very excited to serve on the commission, and to serve the city and the residents and the kiddos. I'm a assistant director at a preschool, so libraries, reading, kids stuff, all right up my alley. So, yeah, I'm very excited to be here.

Great. Well, welcome. Laverne, did you wanna say in?

Thank you. I am Laverne Davis. My friends call me doc sometimes because I have a doctorate, so I'm doctor Davis. I do live in the colony. We're 55 plus community, as you know.

I've been in Marietta for eight years. I absolutely love this community after moving from the metropolis of Los Angeles. And when I go back to visit, I can hardly wait to get back to Murrieta. It's really really has changed in just eight short years. I did mention to Mel that I was a library science major when I first went to college way back when.

When. And I realized after a year that in Virginia, I it wouldn't be suitable for me in the things I wanted to do. So I changed my major to business administration. And I finished my career with Verizon. It was GTE, the merger with the merger, the new name that surfaced was Verizon.

Verizon is not that old. So, I am excited to be here. And I've read this this, plan for 2024 strategic plan. It's very exciting and especially with the expansion. So I'm excited to be here. So thank you.

Thank you. Very nice to meet you both. Okay. I'd like to now welcome mister Kevin Kuhn, president of the Marietta Public Library Foundation, to talk a little bit about the fundraising goal for the children's area expansion.

Alright. Can you hear me okay? Excellent. So, yeah, I'm Kevin Kuhn. I'm the president of Library Foundation. Terry knows me well, and I know Jeff as well from several events. Just wanted to update you all on kind of what's going on. We need to figure out what funds we're gonna be able to commit as a foundation, as a community here in the next month, in a few days, a few weeks, something like that. So we're kind of right here at the the very end, and we need more support. So we're trying to make sure we're here at every meeting we possibly can be.

I was at city council last week. I'll be at city council next week, and for the next several city council meetings updating them and trying to make sure we get the community on board with this effort. For those of you who don't know, and Brian might share a little bit more about this later, where this project is being funded by the city and then also by a library, state of California library grant, which which includes some matching funds. But the plan that we present to the city, this is about a half year or more ago, was that we would, as a community, come together and provide some funding as well. We are short of those goals, sadly, but we're we're doing everything we can to kind of get the word out and get people committed to, supporting this really once in a generation, once in a lifetime project.

Our main building here, I think I can speak for pretty much everybody, is not gonna probably expand again after this. If we ever have expanded library services, it'll be in some other location in Murrieta. So this is probably it for this building, based on my perspective at least. So anyway, recently we just launched kind of a community awareness and fundraising campaign, so that's what this sign is here. Join us in supporting Marietta Library, the children's area expansion.

It's got our website, and then we actually decided after some kind of additional research, you can donate on our website, but we also decided to launch a GoFundMe just to take advantage of the virality of of, you know, being kind of on GoFundMe and seeing other people donate. So this will link right to our page, and you'll you know, the more people that donate, the more people will see who's donating, and hopefully we can get people excited about this project. So for the colony, I know we might not be able to have these. I don't know. I'm not a 100% certain, but I brought a sign for everybody and a stake, and we'd love for you to to put one up in your yard if you felt comfortable or or willing to do that.

I've got about three at at my house right now. We've got about just over the weekend, I think I put five over at the library, so people that are obviously near the library are, you know, are aware of this, and hopefully, we can get a few more people to be involved. Yeah. I think that's you know, we're we're just excited about, you know, getting people to be more aware and hopefully getting some some donations to come in. I think I think the math we've done at the city level is, you know, if we could if we get 1% of our population to donate $50 each, that would equal a $100,000.

Right? 2,000 people. But that's bigger a hill to climb than you might realize. So we're just we're excited about having two new commissioners here with us. Welcome. This is my, what, tenth or eleventh year here in Murrieta. So I'm excited about the the work that we've been doing and looking forward to any support that you can provide or any thoughts that you have. Any quick questions that I can answer?

Should I do

questions? Okay. Any questions? What day is the fundraising over, and what's kind of driving that?

Well, mostly that we have to, and and Brian and others might be able to speak to this a little bit a little bit better, but, ultimately, we have to it's, I think, the second meeting in March. Don't hold me to that because, but I think it's a second city council meeting in March. We have to present to city council that this these are the funds that we're bringing in privately so that they can decide and and go, either, a, if there's a gap, how we how we how we, you know, close that gap, and then b, ultimately, put the project out to bid so that we can then, you know, be be constructing this, you know, this expansion in 2026.

But we will take your money for as long as you wanna give it. So Okay. Yeah. Alright. Keep on going. It's it's

Yeah. Gotcha. To be fair, we really, the deadline is, technically, we have to know how much money we're going to give. We don't have to have that in hand quite yet. But ultimately, for the most part, that for the most part, those two things go hand in hand. There haven't been a lot of people that have said, hey, we'll give you money six months from now, and here's the amount. So we're ultimately trying to make sure those two things, if we can have money in hand at that point too. But probably in the next, really, we're getting down to barely barely a month at this point. Yeah. Any other questions?

I do have a question.

Please. In your fundraising, have you done any thinking about naming opportunities for the in with the new expansion?

Yeah. If I can, I can bring this up? This is a a flyer that we here. I'll just give you one of these. I know if We we built these flyers with the support of Brian's team and the city for a fundraiser that we did several months back and hope to raise more funds.

But in there, you'll see that we have several different levels that people can donate at, and, you know, we would give them you know, they would they would have their name in the library in bigger ways and certainly in permanent ways. So we've tried to make this certainly something that individuals and businesses can feel good about getting behind because their name will be in the library in some way, shape, or form in perpetuity. So yeah, we definitely have.

I have a question.

Yeah, please.

Are we allowed to bring donors in? Is that like a conflict of interest kind of thing?

Bring what?

Are we allowed to bring donors in? She asked if it was a conflict of interest.

Yeah. Bring donors in. Yeah. No. Bring donors in. We

need to do that. Yeah. It's like our business. That's kinda like

oh, yeah. No. Okay. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. My kids went to Discovery Isle, and so we'd love to have, you know, preschools participate. I mean, that makes a ton of sense to get in front of parents of young kids because this expansion's gonna benefit them specifically and most know, more than anybody else. So yeah, and then we'd love to talk Yeah. With you about Thank

you.

Okay. Good. I does everyone wanna sign? Just out of curiosity?

Yes.

Okay. Yes? Okay. So extras. Didn't bring any extras, but I can get more to anyone that needs them. I'll leave these just behind here, and then you can come pick them up when you're done. Does that sound good? Okay.

Great.

Yeah.

Alright. Thank you for bringing them in.

Yeah. Thank you.

And if anybody else has on the

board has it not boarded?

Mission.

Commissioners have any other ideas? Can they contact you?

Oh, yeah. Please. Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. Okay. Info@muriatolibraryfoundation.org is my email. But Melvin's got my contact info too if you need to reach me. So be happy to talk more at any time. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Thanks for all your efforts raising money, honestly. I know we've talked before, but yeah. Yeah. It's a tough job.

Sure. Thank you.

Okay. I think now we're moving to, election of chair and vice chair for 2025. Madam secretary, if you could please preside over the election of the chair.

We will now move to the election of the chair. The order will be as follows. As the secretary, I deem that all commissioners are on an equal basis to nominate and elect. Nominations do not require a motion and a second and are nondebatable. There may be more than one nomination. Are there any questions from the commission? Upon the election of the new chair, they will take the center seat. Following the election of the chair will be the election of the vice chair. The new chair will preside over this process in the same manner. Upon the vice chair's election, they will take the seat directly to the right of the chair.

Before we begin the election, are there any members of the public who would like to comment regarding this item? Seeing none, we do not have public comments. I now deem you all on an equal basis. Do I hear any nominations for chair?

I nominate Ken Golterra. Need to do anything else? Does he need a second? Second.

I'm sorry. So the nomination was from Terry Gavin for Ken Golterra. So then I need to ask for a motion. So that was the nomination. Okay.

And a

second? Second. Thank you, Commissioner Davis.

We have a motion and a second.

Okay, please vote.

Motion carries unanimously five zero. Congratulations, Commissioner Golterra. You have been selected as the new chair. Please take the center seat. We will now take a brief recess in order for staff to confer with the chair. Chair.

Okay. It looks like we're ready to reconvene here. We're reconvening the regular library advisory advisory commission meeting. We will now follow the same procedures outlined by madam secretary for the election of the vice chair. With that being said, do I hear any nominations for vice chair?

I nominate Jeff Meeker as vice chair. I nominate Jeff Meeker as vice chair.

Okay. Commissioner Meeker, do you accept the nomination? I do. K. Are there any other nominations? K. Alright. So we will need a motion, and a second here. So please vote on the motion to approve Jeff Meeker as the vice chair of the library commission.

I make a I make a motion to have Jeff Meeker as the vice chair. Second.

May I interrupt? I'm sorry. This motion would be to close the nominations. Then there's another one to appoint the vice chair. If you could just Oh, there it

is. Okay. Wording.

I am sorry. So let's first make a motion, to close the nominations for vice chair of the library advisory commission.

I make a motion to close the motions for the vice

chair. Second.

And now I make a motion to

chair Pulcheri, we have a motion and a second. You ask everybody to vote.

Okay. So we have a motion and a second. So now we need to vote on the vice chair position. Okay.

Motion carries unanimously. Five zero.

Okay. Congratulations, commissioner Meeker. You have been selected as the new vice chair. Please take the seat to my immediate right. Thank you for doing that, Jeff. You're very quick. Alright. So let's move on to the approval of the agenda. Commissioners, are there any changes to the current agenda? Can we bring that up on docs real quick?

Turn that on. Seeing that there are no changes or motions for the change in the agenda, may I make a motion? May I call for a motion and a second, please, of approval of the agenda?

I move to accept the agenda.

Second.

And a second.

Motion carries unanimously.

Okay. Let's go ahead and move on to the administrative update. Library manager, Racelius. Did I get that? Melvin, I'm just used to saying Melvin.

Oh, Racelius. Racelius.

Yeah. And are there any new staff updates for us?

Yes, chair Golterra. First up, we have Brian Crawford, senior program manager, who is the project manager for the children's library expansion project I'd like to pass it off to him for him to give a update on the expansion

thank you appreciate it hi My name is Brian Crawford. I'm the senior program manager with community services. I'm responsible for all capital projects related to the library and parks and a bunch of really cool stuff. So I'm here to give you an update on the library expansion. And since we have new commissioners, I want to just give a background on the project, make sure everybody's on the same page.

I'll let you know what our status is, what the budget's like, our next steps, and then I'm going to talk a little bit about fundraising as well, just to kind of echo some of Kevin's points that he made. So first of all, I really appreciate being here to be able to speak to you about this. This is really critical project for our community, and I'm glad we have two new commission members. I really would love for all the commissioners to be involved in our in our fundraising efforts. In some part, maybe join our council members in in reaching out to the community and letting them know about this important project.

So as many of you know, the library was built in 2007. And when the library was built, there was only 2,700 square feet of children's area, which is the current footprint today. Project. So it was always meant to have an additional children's library area built into the Garden Of Verses area where we're gonna be building our expansion. And then but, unfortunately, we ran into a series of unfortunate events. I'm going for the literary things here. Yeah. Let me snick it. Series of unfortunate events. So we had the economic downturn of two thousand eight.

It really really canned a lot of the the ability of the city to do the expansion. Those funds were used for other things, more important things in the community at that point in time. And then, you know, COVID hit. We had another drawback with funding. But due to Melvin's industriousness is that a word? Sure. And his staff were able identify some grant opportunities. And one of them was a very large grant for just over $1,500,000 from the California State Library. He applied for the grant. We were awarded that grant.

It comes with a matching funds of roughly $750,000 from the city. So that was kind of our seed money. And when we went out to start this project, I believe it was around April 2023 where we were going out and selecting a architect. They were asking us, well, what's your budget for this project? And we're like, well, we've got, like, 2.25 or $2,500,000, somewhere around there.

And that wasn't a really good answer to their question because it was gonna cost a whole lot more than that to build. But we didn't know what we wanted to build. So we brought on SVA architects as a design firm, and we held a series of community meetings with various stakeholders. We had a commissioner there. We had some of our library foundation friends at the library.

We had some homeschool parents. We had teachers, educators from the local community as well, plus staff from the library and also staff from city hall. And during vision visioning workshops, we came up with a needs assessment. And we kind of let our dreams run wild and said, let's build this large thing that's going to be well over 5,000 square feet, approaching 6,000 square feet. Let's build it into the garden of verses.

Let's blow out the walls of the garden of verses and move those all the way to the sidewalks. And that was a really great exercise to go through because it showed the enthusiasm in the community of wanting an expansion that was gonna be usable for decades to come. Because we realize that this is the last time we're gonna expand this facility. Unless somebody gives us a large parcel next door, this would be the last expansion for this facility. As Kevin said, we may have to build into another facility in another part of the city, or just rely on our network of county libraries around this area.

But we also have some other alternatives like mobile libraries and remote library pickups that Melbourne is looking into now. So we went through those visioning exercises, and then working with city staff and trying to figure out what our budget is going to be was a pretty long process. So while we started the visioning workshops in July 2023, it took us all the way to the end of that year in order to figure out what our budget really needed to be. So we did go through some whittling down of that vision into something that was a little bit more manageable. And we made it we brought to city council last year in, I believe it was June 2024, where we brought to them three different versions of what we were looking at.

And we wanted to get their input on things. So we showed them the version that was 5,000 square feet, and then we showed them a version that was 4,500 square feet, and then all the way down to, I think, three thousand eight three thousand nine hundred square feet. That 3,900 square feet, that was really chopping off a lot of programming space. And really, the need that we have in the community is programming space. And being able to fit an expanded library collection into stacks, and then also having story time rooms that we can use for, like, multipurpose in multipurpose rooms where we can have a variety of different programming.

Those that was the crux of the project. And if you go below 4,500 square feet, you really get rid of a lot of that usable space. We also needed to provide some offices for our staff. That 5,000 square foot version also had a maker space. It was configured a little bit differently.

All three of those versions were configured a little bit differently than what I'm going to show you today. It was just some design choices and some way that the building is kind of configured. We were trying with a larger footprint, we were trying to avoid a fault line that runs right along the backside of the library. So that's why it was kinda a little bit catty cornered to or cantilevered cantilevered from the rest of the library design footprint. So without that issue of the larger footprint, we were able to straighten things out.

And that's what I'm going to show you now. So council my backup council did select the 4,500 square foot version, and we settled into a budget of just over $7,000,000 So that is soft cost, which includes design, includes inspections, permitting, project management, a variety of we have fixtures, furnishings, and equipment, a lot of expenses that aren't related to necessarily to the construction. The construction is a little over $4,000,000 or what we're hoping is a little over $4,000,000 And what I'll explain about that is that we are really not going to know what the cost of this project is gonna be until we go out to bid and we open those bids. And anything can happen between now and then. Even the current political climate with talks of tariffs, other things are could impact the cost of lumber coming from Canada, HVAC coming from Mexico, a variety of building supplies.

So we really have no idea what's going to happen. So how do we back into $7,050,000 We use our best guess. We have cost estimations that are coming from SVA, our design team. So they have professional cost estimators that work in this space, the construction industry space. They have hundreds of projects that they can draw on their experience from of figuring out what is the cost of actual pouring a square foot of concrete foundation, etcetera.

So they go through their data banks and they put together a complete cost for us. And we're also second we're getting a second estimate from our construction and project management consultants, RWBID. So we have two organizations there. SVA is the designer. RWBID is the construction manager.

They're gonna eventually be the construction manager, but they're helping us with the project management. They're acting as the owners' representatives, and both consultants of are managed by me and the rest of the CIP team. So we have the estimations coming in, and we're hoping that it acts into or is very close to those estimations. Part of the process is also going to be when we have our final design and we have our bid package that we also put in there some alternative bid items, some add alts or deductions. So what that means is when we prepare our documentation, we say exactly what we want built, and then we have an additional section after that that says, well, we also want your price on x y and z.

That in case things go a little higher on the cost for the primary package, the construction package, then we need to cut back a little bit, and we would substitute this item in the primary package for this lower cost item. The converse is true as well. If those bids come in light and we have some room to play, then we have some other alternative items that we can add to the project. So we don't have to go back out to bid for those, or we don't have to say to the awarding the contractor that's awarded the project, hey, what are you going to charge me for this stuff? Because they're going to they're saying, well, you've already awarded me the contract, so I'm going to charge you a whole lot higher.

So that's why we get it at the bid time. So we use that as one of the criteria for evaluating the bids. We don't necessarily evaluate bids. We always take the lowest bidder in those cases, but we also get the most responsive and most responsible bidder. So where we are right now let me advance a little bit.

This is the project site. I think you everybody's aware of the Carroll Carson Garden Of Verses on the north end of the library. It's still gonna be the Carroll Carson Garden Of Verses. It's just gonna be in a different format, a change, and a better design, and more robust, and ability to handle all that programming. So the space in the yellow, that's the or the yellow is actually the proposed walls of the new footprint for the entire garden of verses, and you can see a different perspective from a drone shot in the lower right hand corner.

This is basically expansion. Everything to the left of the red line, the red line represents the current footprint of the library. Everything to the left of that is a new building, new construction. So on the I'll say I'll refer to this as Planside North and Planside South. So on the North, you see their offices there for staff and the restrooms.

And then we have in the center area the children's stacks. And then the heart of this project are the multipurpose rooms on Planside South that can be divided into two rooms. That provides multi programming opportunities. We can use it as one large room or two smaller rooms for different types of story time hours. One of the things that my family really enjoys is the reading to dogs.

So my son was deathly afraid of dogs, and that was his mom's fault, I'm pretty sure. But through this program, you're able to have kids read to therapy dogs, and he got over his fear of dogs and loves this one particular dog called Baxter. He's a corgi, very very nice dog, and he loves them to death. So he got over his fear of dogs, and we have kids lining up around the around the building to get into this into this program. This is gonna offer dedicated space for those types of programs where we're not gonna be in the theater area where it's where it's marked theater.

It's the current community center with that yellow star. That's where we have everything. We have everybody from adult services, children services, exterior community groups are all sharing that one community center community room. So now we're gonna be able to move children's programming into its dedicated multipurpose rooms. We're also gonna be able to expand the stacks area that's currently in the children's children's area into this children's stacks and provide a lot more programming space in there.

You also see a little bit of the exterior footprint that we are hoping to construct. You can see that the walls are almost all the way to the sidewalk. We have a number of hardscape trails in there. We have some patios in different areas that provide different types of programming and opportunities for programming. And we don't just consider the 4,500 square foot building footprint, new building footprint, to be the only place where you're going to have programming.

You're going to have programming abilities on the exterior as well. So we're going to have slopes for story time room on the outside, a whole lot more trees for shade, hopefully. We have some areas up there for children's gardening, so we teach children about gardening, where food comes from. Some really important things that really sets our children in the Murrieta community off on the right path. That's the whole point of this whole thing.

So let me get into a little bit more detail. This is from our fixtures, furnishing, and equipment FF and E vendor with a possible layout of the furnishings that we would have in these rooms. There is also a reimagining of the current children's area. We're going to make it more of a tween space. So we envision it with a little study area. It kind of has like a Starbucks quality feel to it where you've got new stacks. You've got stuff that's age appropriate for what's the age range of a tween?

It's eight to 12. Eight to 12.

Eight to 12. The new area is going to focus on kids that are two to 12, one to 12.

Zero to eight. Zero to

eight.

Okay. Zero to eight. So this is the furnishings that they're suggesting is age appropriate. It's lower stacks. They're not six foot, eight foot tall stacks. They're more like four foot tall stacks and little study areas. We also have a little kitchen there in the upper left hand area. And then right below that kitchen area, you can see that there are two chairs next to two little boxes. Those are some really innovative furnishings where a mother can do some studying or reading to a child that is in the little pen next to the chair. So what are they what are those called?

They're called parent and child study carols. So Awesome. So parents can actually work on whatever they need to do and have their young baby next to them without having to worry about them wandering off. And there'll be some play panels, interactive features within inside of that. So it's primarily for, you know, working families to to utilize.

Yeah. And then you can also see in the in the existing space, we relocate the children's area reception desk. This is this is also for the purposes of serving the tweens area better, but it's also for line of sight and security measures that we're taking into the new expansion. So we want them to be able to serve both sides. And the offices are also strategically located along with cameras and secured doors, that kind of thing that are geared towards security.

So they have lines of sight everywhere, and there's no areas that can be blocked off. And then you see at the bottom Planside South here, we have the two multipurpose rooms. This shows the wall divider extended. So that's an accordion type wall that can be removed at any point in time. And this just shows the desk and chairs set up in there.

Those are going to be more mobile chairs and desks that can be collapsed and moved into the corner. That way you have a large seating area for a bunch of kids in the middle the room. These are new renderings from our FF and E vendor. Kind of show the expand or the space really kind of gives you a really better understanding of what the space looks like and what the space ceiling is. So the ceiling, we're just gonna have typical acoustical tile ceiling, but there's also gonna be some architectural elements drawn into there with the lighting.

So these are a little bit more whimsical lighting that are kind of cloud shaped. They're going to serve functional purposes for providing the lighting, but also kind of gives it a more whimsical feel. Over here on the right hand side, you can see those are the offices, and then we have the restrooms in the upper right. And then those are the entrances on the left. Those are the entrances to the multipurpose rooms.

These are the multipurpose rooms, where in the middle you can see the accordion doors or the accordion wall is stored in those wall panels. And then each of the rooms would have its own sink and storage area and space to do crafts and other programming elements. And then here's a perspective from the new offices, and then we have a work room back in the offices so librarians can prepare activities and sort books, do whatever the librarians like to do. So here's a little bit more illustrative rendering outdoor space. It's not just pathways that you see.

You are probably gonna miss it, but there's also a lot of little reading nooks built into this area. So even starting from the upper right hand corner, we we have the entrance. You don't have to go you can enter in from that side. You can follow the pathways. Those are kinda meandering pathways in there, but there's also reading nooks hidden up in that area. And then we come over into the gardening area. Those are raised planters. And you're gonna see this on a three d perspective in just a minute that's gonna show it to you in real world way. But we have reading nooks kind of in that area. And then on the far left, you'll see this large green area.

That's kind of a slope area. This is also to help balance the site. So when we do grading on-site, we either export dirt or we can reuse the dirt on-site. And so this is going to give us a little bit of a slope where we can reuse that dirt. This can be used for a story time room, outdoor story time room.

And then as you travel to Planside South back around over to the existing community room, we have a little bit more nook areas, and everything is kind of connected in here. And here's a really cool renderings that you see where we have benches. We have you see the slope there. The backside of the library that you see there with the blue framework, it's gonna be a little bit different. This rendering is just a little aged.

It won't have that cutout of the roof there in the front. That's gonna be a full overhang for that small area as well. And this is showing it from a different perspective. It's more of a hangout spot where families can hang out. Teens, tweens, everybody can enjoy the services of the library waiting for programming.

We have a lot of more programming space out there for them. And there's also I do want to point out that you see the fence line back there. So there is security fencing along the perimeter of the outdoor garden area. So we need to contain the little kids so they don't wander off into the street. Here we go.

Another rendering. So I do wanna speak about the fundraising efforts that we're doing. So we're doing a full court press on macro and micro fundraising. So we have members of our city council that are going to be asking potential large money donors. We're talking like over $100,000, 250,000 We have approached several people in the past.

We haven't been as successful as we thought we would be. But there are donors out there that are willing to give large amounts. So we have our city councils reaching out to those. We're also reaching out to businesses in the community. We also are going to be working with another group that's going to help us do some micro targeting.

So Kevin has the GoFundMe account, and that's awesome. We can point people to that account through social media, through outreach at the at the library, events, newsletters. We're going to blitz everybody in the next couple months on all of this. Just like Kevin said, if we raise money from 5,000 different people, that's a lot of money that we could potentially raise, and it could be into the hundreds of thousands. If people understand the message and understand what we're trying to do and that their part would be very small and it would be an it would be an incredible force multiplier to get that from multiple members of the community.

And I think, really, people just need to figure it out and find out about it, because they do see that it is an amazing resource in our community, this library. So we are gonna be we are gonna be, in the next month or two, hitting on all fronts. So commissioners are welcome to reach out to the community. And you said that you have your business, and could we could you bring in some people? Absolutely. We'll take anybody's money if they wanna give it. And so everything would be going to the foundation. The foundation would turn over any of those proceeds to the city. So they are a five zero one, one of those things. So they are that, and it's tax deductible and all that kind of good stuff.

Did I miss anything? Okay. Any questions, comments, concerns?

I have a I don't know what it is. But have we considered like, seeing this presentation and actually I mean, I've seen a lot of pictures and a lot of renderings of but this was extra special, and it really shows you. And then you talking about what the funds will go towards and the difficulty of trying to put in and get bids, and is it going to go up and down and then the tariffs and all that stuff. So if we could have a meeting here and invite preschools and invite charter schools and invite the homeschool people to come in and see this, for me, it just gets me more excited about it. And I would love for the community.

Don't know how to get them in here.

Well, ways of maybe reaching them without having them to have come in. So one of the things that we are considering is putting out a challenge to all the PTA groups and to all the schools. It'll funnel down to the schools. I mean, even if, you know, a kid gives a dollar or something like that at a at a fundraising drive at school or something like that, anything can happen. So we are also looking at producing videos where we have the staff on on camera explaining all the things that we're trying to do, why the library is important, why everybody's participation is super important, and what we hope to bring to the community.

So we're gonna be producing videos, social media outreach campaigns, just a variety of things. I'm not the expert on that. We are working with a kind of a PR group that does they they add a hand in developing our collateral that we're using, you know, the signage that we have currently at the library, you know, the follow our progress signs. And then the booklets that Kevin had shown you earlier, those are produced by them as well. So we are bringing them on board for their expertise and manpower because our staff, we don't have time to do this.

We're we're going out and we're doing as much as we possibly can, but we need to get a lot of people we need to reach a lot of people in a short amount of time. And while we are hopeful to have an idea of what we can do by March or April, we're not gonna bring the construction contract back to council until likely July. I did wanna speak on that. I I did skip over that part of kind of what our next steps are. Currently, we're in plan check with building and safety and our planning department and our engineering department.

So they're looking over all the plans right now in our first round. They're gonna have our comments back to us sometime this month, hopefully in the next week or two. And then our design team will address all those comments, and then we'll have a second round. Our goal is to go out to bid in May. So we usually will put it out for four to five weeks. We use planet bids. It's not like the old school method where we send everything out by paper. We do things electronically. So we send out a notice of a bid opportunity to everybody. We also blast it electronically to contractors all throughout the entire state using Planet Bids. So we put our specifications on there. We put all of our plans on there. We put all of our bid line items. They go. They look at it.

They do all their bidding. And then we open those electronically at the appointed time and date. It's not done in a council chamber anymore. So once that happens, that'll likely be June. We'll have an understanding of what those bids came out. We have to have time to compile our agenda reports to take it to council, to ask for them to take action to approve the contract. So that'll happen in July, we think, we hope. And then then we start construction, like, in August. So it's gonna happen fast and furious. I've been doing this for almost two years now, and it just seems like yesterday that I started.

So, yeah, that's kinda where we're at. But I like your question. I like, you know, any kinda ideas that anybody can think of. We're gonna do anything we possibly can. It would be great if we can bring in homeschoolers and preschoolers. It would be great if we can use the amphitheater for this type of thing where we say, let's have a large library fundraising event, and that might be one of those ideas. Mhmm. Yes, ma'am?

I have an idea on that note. It is another thing that the staff would have to do. But, like, the and the, like, the LEGO building event, like, those I've been to, and there's always so many people. So if you if we could come up with some kind of cost effective but cool event even at the library that draws everyone in, and if we have, like, the renderings that we saw here, like, posted up, I feel like we could get some good traction on it and at least talk, like, through the community. And I went to library. We had this cool event. They're doing this expansion. Yeah. So it's really the target is the people with those kids that are excited

that we're I think that's a really good idea. Yeah. And I think we need to maybe co brand. Like, any kind of event that we're having out at Town Square Park, I can think of the next one is the Easter egg hunt, you know, where you have tons of kids. Why not highlight the library expansion and what we're trying to do and have a message to the people there? It's a captive audience. You might as well tell them about this and what their what their potential very small dollar donation can do when we put it all together with everybody else's. And I think that's a really great idea.

I think, I mean, Kevin and I we've been to some of those events, but it's kind of hard to pull people in to talk about it. And then, like, having a video, I love that idea, where they can see it, and they can hear everything that's involved. I think that could draw people. If you just had a booth and you had the video going the whole time, it might get people to pay attention.

Yeah.

So far, it's been tough. Absolutely. To get people to Yeah. And so

I don't think we've had the concerted effort yet. And this is the concerted effort is starting now.

Okay. Yeah. Great.

I have a question.

Yes, ma'am.

I'm not sure if you can answer. The new businesses that come into Marietta included in their contract, That's the only term I can think of now. Are they required to make a donation to this expansion? Or can we do that?

No. I don't think we can do that. So let me we do get funding from what's called library diff, developer impact fees. So whenever commercial developments are done or residential communities are built, they are paying a library diff fee for every, EDU, I'm I'm assuming, that that's built or, unit that's built in a commercial res commercial, project. So there we do sort of have, like, a mandatory contribution that people do pay.

So we have a number of different developer impact fees, and that's to pay for public safety. And it's not to pay for whoever's currently here. It's we're gonna need to expand. We're gonna need to provide more services to everybody that's coming in. We have all these apartment complexes going in. They're all paying diff. They're all paying for a variety of different things, streets, roads, public safety, library, everything. But back to the I don't think we can make them give a donation in order to get a business license or something along those lines, if that's what you're asking.

That is what I'm asking.

I wish we could, though. That would be awesome.

But but we we don't know. Is that right? We do know or we don't know?

I'm gonna say, but with my limited experience in municipal agencies, I don't think that that's something that we can do. But we can always run it by our city attorney. Melvin can run that by a city attorney.

Okay. And one other question. Have we thought about having a solar field on the property? Because that would be a way to raise money.

I'm sorry.

Solar solar field. Oh.

So there are different drawbacks. There are pros and cons to solar on a facility. It all depends on when you're building that facility and what the economics of solar are at the point in time that you're doing it. So we can plan for expansion of solar and and you know we can always prewire for it or run conduit in the new building expansion that if we ever decided to add solar to a facility, it would make it easier instead of having to get into the into the new building or run conduit in a new building. It's not part of the economics of this project because it will increase the construction cost.

We wouldn't realize the gains until several years down the road, and we are just not at the point where we're able to add an an additional scope of work. It also depends on what SCE is doing with, you know, are you are you generating so much power that you're giving it back to the grid, and what are they paying you? What are the economics of that? Do you lease? Do you own?

We do have solar on our police department, and that feeds a portion of city hall as well as the police department. So we do have those types of things where we do that at other facilities, and it just depends on what the economics are at the time. But that's a good question. Any other questions? Okay. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. Thank you.

Thanks, Brian.

Yeah. I just wanna also thanks say thank you to Brian Crawford here. He has been instrumental, obviously, in pushing this project forward. His project management skills are bar excellent, you know, best in the state of California.

Better than

my speaking skills. Better no. No. He's as you can see, he's a great great presenter. As you said, commissioner Gabbitt, you know, it'd be great to have him present something to interested parties in in some shape or fashion. So I just wanna reiterate, you know, thanks to him and his his efforts to get this project continuing and and and to the finish line. So thank you, Brian.

Thank you. Appreciate it.

Next, I'd like to invite Agnes Rita, our supervising librarian, to give an update for our Library for All programs.

Good evening, everybody. Good evening, Commissioner Chair Goltera. Yes. I was trying to practice which one. I'm thinking that's going to be a chair for today and our commissioners.

I am actually here. That's kind of hard to come after. But I want to segue in and connect. If we do do the expansion, our library is able to provide more programs, more transformational programs within our community, not just reaching young families and children, but also adults, teens, and adults with disabilities. So the presentation I'm doing today is our LFA program, and I will be talking about it and the things that we've done since we have had the program.

So let me see. And my name is Agnes Rita, by the way, one of the supervising librarians. All right. So statistics shows that one in four adults in The United States have some sort of disability. And why I'm segueing to this is that when you think about it, disabilities are not always seen.

And so this segues into the point that everybody should just be kind and do not assume. So, why we're doing this program is because we want to create a welcoming program within our community and in the library. And so, LFA was born. So LFA was actually an idea that I had in 2017. I was attending a public library conference for programming for adults and teens, and children And as one of the libraries had a story time for adults with disabilities.

And I thought, like, oh, maybe that's something that we can do at the library. On a given day, we have about three to five, even sometimes up to 15 groups or vocational groups. There are various groups from our community, either from group homes or just day programs for people and older teens with disability. We also have the local school district summit program that actually comes and takes a tour and do some activities within the library. So I thought, oh, that's one of our goals in 2017, was to reach the underserved part of the population.

Aside from the seniors, what other groups can we reach? And I brought to our former director at that time, Elise Malkowski, he's like, well, can I do a program for adults with disabilities? And she said, yes. Initially, I didn't have any funding. I was only planning to just use existing program supplies from children's.

But Friends of the Murrieta Library and the Temecula Valley Women's Club actually gave my initial funding, or our initial funding for 500 So that's how it started. And it grew and grew, and we've received about, since 2018, about $10,000 from the Friends of the Marietta Library, and a combined LSTA, or this is from the California State Library and Institute of Museum and Library Services, grants for $28,600 And here are some of the groups that we have reached throughout the years. We have Towards Maximum Independence, Care Ride, Options for All, Murrieta Valley Unified School District, High Point People's Care, Achievability, Oak Grove Center, which they have two locations here in Murrieta, and Easter Seals of Southern Most of these adults, some of them actually came to the library because they're looking for places to volunteer or learn work skills. But we can only take so much volunteers. In this space that we have right here, we are able to provide them with learning something new and also make it fun.

And also, one of the things that one of the parents have asked before is a way for them to socialize within their peers. So the age group for our groups range from as young as, I would say, 13 all the way to someone in their 70s. But the average, I would say, would be between 30 to 40. And some of the programs that we offer, we do facility tours. In the summer, we do walking tours.

So they visited the library, of course. Police department, fire, city hall, the local museum, and the parks. And so, you can see from some of the photos. We've also had the fire department and the police department visit and do their info session. And these are some of the things that they've done. We have, every Thursday, we have hangout days. They just come in, they can color, play board games, and watch movies. And this is what we do. It's every Thursday without probably minus holidays, but every Thursday at ten a. M.

We have Thursday Hangouts. I'm just showcasing some of the programs that they love. Bingo. We've actually given out Angels tickets, thanks to their generous donation. We've given out Knottsbury, Six Flags, even tickets to other sports games.

I've gone through and asked donations from local businesses. They're very generous when it comes to donating those for this program. Various activities we provided you can take a look. We've pretty much went through a lot of them. So whatever popular or trending on TikTok, sometimes that's what I would do.

We've also had paid presenters, so we've had magic shows, a local artist that would come in, or paint studio that would do programs for us as well. Their favorite is line dancing and karaoke. This is one of the line dancing classes that we've had. And hopefully this video, before I hit play, we actually had an opportunity to present our program at the well, twice. We had an opportunity last June to present the type of programming that we provide to the community at the American Library Association.

And that was, I think, the shining piece for this endeavor. But another one that we got is we got featured by the California State Library for our program, and that's wanted to play. Hopefully I can play it. Oh, thank you. Library for All is a program for adults and older teens with disabilities.

We have a place for them to socially interact, to have fun, to discover and learn something from the library, and something for them to bring home like a skill like, oh, I finally learned how to create like today, we created a wreath. It started as an idea. In 2017, I attended a showcase for the Inland Library System, and there was a group there that presented and creating programs for story times and Artopia for adults with disabilities. And I thought, like, our library in 2017 have tons of groups. And I thought, like, that's ready made audience.

And our boss had one of the goals the city asked the library is to reach the underserved population or our visitors. We mostly serve young families, young families and seniors, and, you know, young adults. So we were thinking maybe we can broaden our programming and add adults with disabilities. So it started like me just talking to the coaches, asking them like what kind of programming you want to see, are you interested in coming to the library to do something like art. So I started with six people, and now it grew to between 50 to 75 people at a time. And then when we were grant funded, then we are, you know, doing lots and lots of things.

We've been coming to this library for about a year and a half now. We really love it because they do a lot of different programs with Agnes. We see the movies and the crafts and everything. And I bring my my girls here. We actually come to the library every single day and then we come work with Agnes on all her days and everything that we love.

Most of the people that are participants that attend our programs come from vocational groups. They come to different places to volunteer or learn a job skill. And for us, this program is a break for them and to learn something new and do something for themselves. And it's also good art therapy.

The importance of libraries and community is a great gathering place. We love this program, especially as a special coach that I am. It gives us a chance to have everybody come together and socialize and work together. It helps find you know, gives them a chance to do different programs they don't normally get into, the crafts and the community and the libraries and everything.

I feel like programs like this are important because it makes people feel included. They are part of the community. It also gives them something to look forward to when they visit.

We love Agnes and her girls. It works with her. She's really good. She she talks to my my clients like people and not people who have special needs, unfortunately. There's lot of people who don't realize they are just regular people.

We put the we put these things together. We wrapped them up and glued the roses on them.

We come we come become I've come from years. Yes. I just left the library with with my parents. I joined a lot of great art stuff they have here at the library.

I feel like we already have a community. They're they attend Special Olympics. They're part of the school district. They're they're everywhere. They come and visit the library.

So instead of being, like, an anonymous group, they are seen. And we have a program specifically for them to have fun, to interact with their peers, and also tailored to their needs and abilities. And feel like having it in every single library, and it's coming from the libraries, feels transformational in our community. And that's it. Thank you so much for listening to my presentation.

If I'm welcome for any questions or comments you may have, yeah, that's it. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

Agnes, I mean, take that initiative and to grow it and do everything you do is awesome.

And I love it. I feel like out of all the programs and I've done a lot of programs in my career in libraries. I feel like they're the most appreciative, the sweetest. And every time I do a program, I get at least one hug, a couple of high fives, some fist bumps. But I always feel when I say, like, they feel seen, I feel more present and seen by them. It gives me a better appreciation of what it is to be a public servant. And I feel like I can speak for everybody that has helped me with the programs and done outreach as well. When we do this, it's probably one of the best programs that they have helped me facilitate or assist. And that's it. Thank you. Thank you.

And I just want to give a big thank you and shout out to Agnes and her team. As you can see, they're very passionate and really instrumental in making sure that everybody who walks through doors is welcome at our library and feels at home at our library. And so I really tip my hat to Agnes and her enthusiasm and her inspiration. And on that note, she actually won shining star of 2024, the award here at the city of Murrieta from our previous city manager, Kim Summers. So that just speaks volumes to her dedication to the city, to the community, to this library. So thank you, Agnes.

Thank you.

A blessing.

That's really blessing. Am I for you, I I think. Agnes, seriously, thank you for working with our special needs population. It is often forgotten, but it should be in everyone's hearts. And I have the pleasure of working with special needs kids every day.

And And they're a fun group.

And when you

I get stories all the time.

Yeah, I

bet. And then when you walk in and you see these kids and adults who are working with just the whatever they're doing, they just seem to be enjoying themselves so much. And you know what? The conversation doesn't stop there. They're talking about that all the way home. And Yeah. I just thank

you

for

doing that. And thank you for the work that you guys are doing and the future work that you'll be doing for the library.

Thank you.

Okay. This will be a huge let down at this point, but let's let's move on to public comments.

Oh, I still have a library update. So Oh, I thought you letdown before the No. No. Just kidding. Just kidding. Just joking. It's Strike that from the minutes.

But

there's just kidding. Just kidding.

But you're farther down the list.

Yes. Yeah. No. I'm right right at the end. Even though I'm not listed technically, it's still the administrative update section.

Oh, it's still in the administer? Okay.

Yes. That's correct. So so thank you. And, Agnes, you're welcome to stay if you if you like. So so just a few updates before we go on to public comment.

We have received the California State Library's lunch at the library grant for 2025 for a total of 8,557 to do pop up programming at the Murrieta Elementary School summer meal site for MVUSD. So what we do is we use that funds to to fund the programming that we do at the site. So we're excited about that partnership. We are planning to apply for the California State Library's ebooks for all grant, and Agnes has done a lot a lot of grants for us, and this is one of the one she's also working on applying for. We're we're planning to apply for $20,000 to purchase ebooks with a $5,000 match, so we're excited about that.

We've also been awarded the Public Library Association digital literacy grant for $10,000, and this is also thanks to Sandra who Agnes supervises. So she's they've worked together for this applying for this grant, and we're going to purchase a SMART Board for our current lab area to and to also to fund digital literacy classes. So we're excited also about that. Another grant that Agnes you could see why she won shining star now. Right?

Another grant that Agnes oversees along with Steve Herring, our adult services librarian, is our annual Zipbooks grant. This is, I believe, our sixth annual time getting the grant, and this is our largest award ever in a little bit over $31,000. And if you're not familiar with the ZipBook program, it's where you can or a patron can order a book that is not currently within our collection. It gets shipped directly to their home. Once they're done reading it, they return it, and then we we add it to the collection as long as it certs meets certain criteria.

So we're really excited about that. That's really patron driven collection development. Another update is we have our public Internet and Wi Fi has been upgraded to Scenic. And if you're not familiar with Scenic, that's the high speed Internet connection that's used by universities, schools, and and academic libraries. So we're happy to be a part of that through our partnership with Riverside County.

And then as you know, we had suffered through the power outages along with the rest of Southern California. Thankfully, you know, we weren't, you know, victims to any fires, but we did have some power outages. So our the city's emergency operations center activated the library as a kind of a power relief center for those who lost power during the first power outages. Some some of the folks lost their power for three, four days. And so when we activated the relief center, it was utilized in two days with about 149 people.

So it was it was a it was a great resource for our community to have, and we extended library hours just for that particular event. Library strategic plan was also approved during our December 17 city council. So commissioner Laverne Davis had mentioned the strategic plan. It is available on our website. So if you haven't had a chance to look through it, I know the library advisory commission commission has been involved in in helping us, you know, fine tooth comb the strategic plan and get it get it up actually approved by city council.

So we're happy to have that document. So that's gonna guide us for the next three to five years, and then we will update it in about two to three. So every two to three years, we will we will update the the strategic plan. And then last but not least, the library is going to be closed this Monday for President's Day, February 17, and also Tour de Murrieta, bike race on Saturday, April 5. So that's the end of my report. I'd happy to answer any questions before we move on on the agenda. Okay. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate appreciate the the okay. I know. Hard hard act to follow after Brian and Agnes, really. Okay, now to

Now to public comments. I enjoyed hearing from you more. There's no public seeing well, I'm sorry. I'll read it just the way it is. At this time, we will take public comments. Any person may address the library advisory commission on any subject pertaining to city business, which does not relate to any item listed on the agenda. Normally, no action would be considered or taken by the library commission on any matter not listed on the agenda. Speakers are limited to three minutes. Madam secretary, do we have any public comments?

Thank you, chair. We do not have any public comments.

Okay. So let's go ahead and move on to the consent calendar approval of items one and two. All matters listed on the consent calendar are to be considered routine by the governing body and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed. There will be no discussion of these items unless before the governing body votes on the motion to adopt specific items are removed from the consent calendar for separate motions. Do you need a motion for that? Okay. So may I call for a motion and a second, please?

I'll make a motion to approve the consent calendar.

Second.

Motion carries unanimously, five zero.

Okay. Let's go ahead and move on to the discussion item, which I believe we've already done. Right?

No. That was it's not part of the consent calendar.

Okay. And that's where I got confused. I thought you're

gonna do your report there. Sorry. Updated patron code of conduct. Yes. That's correct.

So thank you, chair Golterra and library advisory commissioners. So the library the Myriad Public Library strives to maintain a welcoming and safe environment for all patrons and and staff and everybody who walks through our doors. And so myself and library staff conducted a comprehensive review of our existing code of conduct, which hasn't been up updated in several years. And so updates were made to reflect current library operations, emerging community needs, and and best practices in in libraries. So the revised code of conduct clarifies some expectations for patron behavior and ensures consistent enforcement across the board.

The current draft that you see in front of you that is attached has been reviewed by city our city's attorney's office to make sure that it complies with any legal and regulatory compliance. So some key updates that are included include clear definitions of acceptable and unacceptable behaviors, some adjustments for modern library usage trends, including digital and technology related conduct, some enhanced languages to support inclusivity and accessibility, and then streamline enforcement procedures for consistency and fairness up across the board. So tonight, the attachment has our draft draft code of conduct as long as well as our current code of conduct. So tonight's recommendation for the commission is to review, discuss, and consider the adoption of the the draft code of conduct as revised by library staff and ultimately make a recommendation to adopt the updated code of conduct if there are no further recommended updates. So I'd like to give it to to the commission to to discuss or

Melvin, were there any major changes from the last one?

Major changes in terms of taking things out? No. I don't think so. The only things that we had particularly added was let's see here. I can go through each one. So the speaking conversational tones was the same. Children's under the age of 13, the only thing that was changed was we said 12 before, but now we say under the 13. That was a change by our city attorney. Library staff is authorized to call the Murrieta Police Department. This is this is particularly for if a caregiver cannot be located for a child.

So that that is currently still in our current code of conduct. Food is not permitted in the library. Drinks spill with spill proof lids are allowed. We we adjusted it for spill the spill proof lids because that's kind of the trend that we see libraries are taking. Sound emitting technologies and devices must be at a volume that users can hear. That was just kind of a few few wording updates, but the the spirit of it is still the same. Skateboards, bicycles, and scooters. We added the word scooters in this particular one because it seems to be a big trend. And other similar devices must not be ridden in the library. Bicycles must be kept where racks are provided.

Running, skating, and other forms of unsafe movement are prohibited. We added unsafe movement, particularly for those shoes that have the the wheels on them. I don't know what they're called. Healy's. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. So we have some kids healing through the library, so any unsafe move in is is unwelcome. Personal items must be kept with the owner and not be placed in walkways. Staff is not responsible for lost items.

We did have that in our old code of conduct, but we just updated that the wording to to just read a little bit smoother. Sleeping or lying our floor or furniture is prohibited, and chills tables and chairs should be used for their intended purposes. This was also, again, just a few word edits. Vandalism of government property, including tables and chairs, and so forth. This also was just a few few word edits.

Viewed viewing an objectionable or offensive materials that that also just a few word edits. Patrons are required to be fully clothed, shoes while in the library. We we just fully clothed was the the added portion of it. And then smoking and vaping, we we didn't include vaping prior. So now, you know, vaping is a, know, big issue. So we've also included that. Obviously, drugs and alcohol of in kind are not prohibited. Harassment, bullying, intimidation, and threatening behavior towards other patrons or staff is not permitted. This is a new one. However, we think it is crucial to ensure for the safety of of our staff and patrons.

And then going forth here, strong offensive odors that disrupt library users from personal hygiene, perfuming belongs are not permitted. This also is a is a new addition to the code of conduct. And then the last one, media or commercial photography or filming must receive prior approval. That also was an addition to the to the code of conduct. And then last but not least, the there you see the progressive disciplinary procedures.

We had made a few word changes, you know, violator, ban, and and so on and so forth. And we just kinda clarified a few of the the points there as compared to the old one. I'd happy happy to answer any questions about any specific ones or any recommendations that commission may have.

Okay. Let's see. Hold on one sec here. Madam secretary, do we have any public comments on this code of conduct?

Thank you, chair. We do not have any non agenda. Excuse me. Any public comments.

Okay. And commissioners, do you now have any comments or questions?

Mel, I have a question.

Sure.

On the second, I guess, second to the last bullet

Section

Strong offensive odors.

Yes.

I I was wondering I I didn't see it. Any reference to offensive language?

Oh, language. That would it it would potentially be under the last bullet point on the first page, harassment, bullying, or threatening behavior

Okay.

Of any kind is not permitted. Yes. And then, also, if you look at the first one that is technically not a bullet point, anything that ensures the safety and mutual respect and comfort, so that kind of falls under that as well. Hope that answers the question.

Yes, thank you.

Okay. Any other comments or questions?

Is there anything that seems to be a problem? Like, is it was there a reason, like, we needed to add more things? I know I I think I was at a city council meeting where they were talking about, hot you know, sometimes homeless people coming in, but that we had the services of the police department, not that that they sent, like, a liaison, not a police officer, to talk to people and help them. Mhmm. It was very, like, is that when I'm around, I haven't seen anything.

Yeah. Actually, we are quite fortunate here in the city of Murrieta to have a relatively lower homeless count in the city. And I think that's largely due to the efforts of our homeless services division that's also within community services and Lindsay Siste and the the work that her and her team and CityNet does throughout the city for for homeless out outreach. No. This is not in particular to any one specific event. We just wanted to ensure that all library users who come to the library feel, that they are not disrupted in any any way, shape, or form from being able to utilize the library.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That's good good news.

Okay. May I ask then may I call for a motion to approve the patron code of conduct in a second, please? And let's make sure we use our iPad in front of us to do the motioning. Thank you, Nicole.

I move to accept the patron code of contact.

Motion carries unanimously five zero.

Okay. That takes us to the commission member announcements, reports, and comments. Commissioners, if you have anything you'd like to report or comment on, this is your

possible to have a meeting or talk about the fundraising, and if anybody has any ideas or helpful something, if we have to do that in chambers or if we can do that outside?

I believe that would have to be done through an ad hoc committee.

Yeah. And Ms. Sedlacek can correct me if I'm wrong. But according to the Brown Act, only two of you can get together and talk yeah. Yeah. Outside of it. But I believe if you have any fundraising ideas, can always send them to me or to to Kevin Kuhn, president, and we can try to work with each other in terms of of putting to maybe putting an event together or do you know, talking to city attorney for some sort of you know, seeing what businesses can offer us. Yeah. We would definitely welcome all the ideas and support that you may have.

Okay.

Any more comments? I think we're okay. Okay. So, with no further business, may I ask for consensus to adjourn the meeting, please? And you can make your motion on the iPad for me.

Chair, aye. Right?

It's not a motion, chair. Yeah. Just a verbal.

Oh, it's not a verbal.

Aye. Aye.

Aye. I promise I'll be better at this next time. Already I should make notes of what I need to improve on here. So it's just responsive. So we're okay. This meeting is now adjourned. Thank you very much for your participation.

Thank you.

You're doing better than the last guy.