City Council - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon. Today is the September 10th meeting of the Unsafe Building Hearing Authority. Please just keep signing in. We'll wait a few minutes to give everybody a chance to sign in. Hearing authority members are Gretchen Cheeseman, Mayor Dan Ridenour, and James Heimlich. City staff members here today are Taylor Reed, Melinda Coffey, Hannah Collins, Danny Hahn, and Richard Rawlings acting as administrators. John Moynihan is our city attorney, and Courtney Walker is acting as reporting secretary. The unsafe building law, IC 36-7-9, is hereby entered into the record. For new cases set for hearing today, a reasonable effort has been made to notify owners of this hearing and the orders being reviewed. The owner of record and any entity with a recorded substantial property interest, was notified by posting on the property, certified mail, and published in the Star Press. Notice of this hearing for status hearing cases was sent via regular mail following the last hearing at which an action was taken. We will call each case set for the hearing today and take action on these cases in order listed on the agenda, starting with the properties that have an owner and or representative signed in. If you are not the property owner but wish to testify about a property on today's agenda, please identify yourself as an interested party when the property is called. The city staff members as agents of the enforcement authority will present the city's evidence about the condition of the property. You will then be asked to present your evidence. We ask that you stick to the issue of the current unsafe order when presenting your case by providing plans and a timeline to become compliant. Both the city and the property owner will be allowed to question witnesses and summarize their positions. The authority will make findings of fact and act accordingly and or set the case for a status hearing at a later date. Findings of fact and action taken will be mailed to the property owner via regular mail and filed in the Delaware County Recorder's Office. If civil penalties are assessed today, an invoice for payment of the civil penalty will be included with the hearing record. You have the right to appeal any action taken at this hearing. Appeals must be made to the Delaware County Circuit Court and must be initiated within 10 days of today's hearing. All who expect to participate in the hearing today, please stand and raise your right hand and be sworn. Do you solemnly swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give today will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. I was hoping this would work out, but... What address are you looking for? It's set for October. I don't know, but we have it set for October 8th. I don't know. I don't have the case. Because I looked at the cases before coming down here, and I noted that that one was set for October. October 8th, 2 p.m. Tenant at Pinewood. 4118. Carl, you're 55 through 58. 57. 57.

You need to check in and let them know you're here for your case I Is that something you didn't do?

I normally do it at the end, but I was trying to make it a part quicker, and I was hoping this would be... She's number 16.

What if we start going down the list?

I don't know who.

Let's start calling them.

Mindy, what's the first address signed in?

Thank you.

OK, we're going to go ahead and call the first case signed in. It's a new case for rehab orders, number nine. 3125 East Gilbert Street. Hi, can we get your name and mailing address for the record, please?

David Norton, 14036 East Country Road, 200 North Parker City, Indiana.

And you are the property owner?

Yes, one of them.

One of them.

All right. According to the evidence, there's water damage from a leaky roof, exposed wood under damaged siding, interior holes in the ceiling and under the kitchen sink, rotted wood around the windows, etc. Right. You have plans to

Yeah, it's already been started. When that order was put on there, I think we e-mailed asking for clarification of exactly what you wanted done. I don't think we ever received a response, but we were already in... we were already starting to address these issues. I know I'm here for Madison. I talked to you guys saying I was getting a loan. Well, I got that loan. We put on five different roofs, and that's one of them. And I got paperwork for where we have addressed with the tenant to do pest control, and she wouldn't let us in, and several things. Several issues with the tenant, but the tenants out now So we've started remodeling on that whole apartment So what do you think in your timelines gonna be to get it finished so you can rent it again? Um I mean inside Within the next Three weeks probably all right What all are you wanting repaired on there? I?

rotted wood around windows, fascia, soffit, and guttering. It needs to be up to code. And then you already did the road.

Yeah, the road's done. I can show you proof it's been done.

Why don't we give you 60 days?

Yeah, I mean, that would probably do it, I'd say.

And we'll require you to get an inspection before your next hearing. If it passes the inspection, then you'll be good to go.

Okay. Will I need to pass that inspection to rent the property if the interior has been done and looks good? Am I allowed to rent it while I do exterior repairs?

Why don't you call for an inspection when you think the interior is complete?

That's fine.

We just need you to get an inspection prior to the next hearing. Okay. That works. Then again, when the outside is done, if you think that it needs to be ready to be released, then you could call for another one.

Yeah, the roof was the main issue, and it's all been done. So, yeah, we can take care of any rotten wood and gutters.

Okay. I would entertain a motion to affirm the rehab order and continue to November 12th. So moved.

Second.

All those in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. We'll see you in a couple months. Thank you.

Thank you. Next we're going to call number 2, 2321 West 10th Street.

Hello.

Name and mailing address for the record, please.

Well, her name is Robin. Her address is 2321 West 10th Street. She's not able to come today.

Okay. Can we get your name?

Kristen Hale.

And you were representing Robin.

Mm-hmm.

All right, what's going on here? Looks like there was a fire. Mm-hmm. And it was tagged on July 13th.

They have received a dumpster from us.

Okay, so this says Carol Marlowe is the owner.

That's her mother passed away. So she's still dealing with the estate.

Okay. So is she, did she have insurance on the home? That I'm not for sure.

I don't believe so.

And is she, she's looking to do what? Rebuild it?

Yes. She's already got almost the whole entire inside gutted, cleaned. She's filled the dumpster twice already.

Have you all inspected it? No. I would consider 30 days, get an inspection, and come back and give us a timeline so they know what exactly they need to do. Does that sound good to you guys?

Yeah.

All right. I would consider a motion to affirm the rehab order require an inspection and continue for 30 days for a schedule for the continued rehab.

Okay, because I know she's doing it all by herself.

She still needs somebody to walk through and tell her what she needs to do.

So moved. Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Motion carries. Thank you.

No, if you just want to give me the sign-in sheet so you can have this, I'll switch you. Thank you. Okay, next we have number 10, 309 North Grafton Avenue. Can we get your name and mailing address for the record, please?

Yes, Dan Poston, 11000 West State Road, 32 Yorktown.

All right, looks like you've got a lot of stuff to tell us.

Well, the first thing is, it says I have foundation issues, and I'm confused on where. And if you go through the pictures, there's one mortar crack, which I could fill with mortar caulk, but I'm not leaking inside or anything.

So this is your first hearing. We will probably ask you to get an inspection, and they'll come out and show you.

Okay.

That's your pictures from the pictures. It doesn't look like it.

So right.

I do have a roof leak post maybe. Well, we noted that there was a crack in the foundation. So that's maybe what he's talking about. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

That's what I can fix that with with mortar caulker. I mean, it's it's not leaking in the basement. So I'm like, there's no mold or anything like that.

Or it gets worse. We want to make sure that it's noted. It needs to be okay. patched up before it gets worse. So that was the extent of our assessment as well.

I understand. And the roof leak, I think that was caused by a firework, personally. And I've been remodeling the kitchen. That's right over the kitchen area. So that's a non-issue. I haven't fixed it yet. I already have the shingles there. I already have the wood there and everything. To go ahead and knock that out the biggest thing I've used this for a storage unit for the last five years and I I get along with all the neighbors Actually one of them goes camping with me and this and that so I don't know if this is an inspection that you guys just came up with or if somebody called on me or Because like I said, I've just used it for a storage unit. I've got a bunch of appliance. I rebuild houses for a living so Mayfield Greg, it's the far east side right before the bypass.

Yeah, we were in that whole neighborhood, so.

OK, OK.

So you do not intend to rehab the house?

Well, here's the second part. I had the house sold. It was supposed to close yesterday, and I couldn't close because of this. So I did not go through the details with them. I just told them I was going to do some work on the house, and then we can reconsider. I've had several offers, but this one I didn't. solidified so that's my question on how do I handle this do I have to fix everything because they're also saying my porch the decking on the porch three-quarter inch pressure treated plywood they're saying it's unstable you can walk on it all day long and I've done that multiple times so I'm confused granted I would replace it myself because the surface is a little bit rough But at the same time, I mean, it's not like you're going to fall through or anything like that. I mean, it's treated wood. So in the two by eights that are holding it up, they're all fine. The center blocks, I wouldn't have done it that way myself as far as the corners and holding up the post and things of that nature. They're not sinking or anything like that. And it's not sloped. And it's not a danger. And it's not a danger for the roof to come collapsing down as well. So I guess it boils down to you guys want to do an inspection and go yeah, okay Why don't we affirm the rehab order and continue for 30 days require an inspection prior to the next hearing Do I need to work on it in the process I Will fix a roof as far. I mean it's a tiny little I just may I would make your

appointment for your inspection as soon as you can and see what they tell you so i make that i mean you have a rehab order yeah so um yes you call and make the inspection she's going to tell you how to do that okay excellent um is that a motion 30 days approve the order with an inspection so move second all those in favor all right all right we'll see you next month thank you much thank you Yes.

Next, we have number 11, 1724 East Harvard Avenue.

Hi.

Can we get your name and mailing address for the record, please?

Ralph McKinney. It's, what is it, 1721 Harvard Avenue? 24. Or 24 Harvard Avenue. Yeah.

And you are the owner?

My wife and mother-in-law is.

All right. So this was tagged on July 30th for trash and debris. Accessory structure has holes in the walls, exposed studs, holes in the roof. Reported camper being used as a living space. Pool in the front yard not enclosed by fence and in the front yard. pool in the front would require a variance from the Planning Commission. So I guess, is the camper still there and is someone living in it?

Nobody was living in it, just sitting there. The camper's been removed. The pool's been taken down. I think As far as I know, the yard is cleaned up and suitable. The building hasn't been worked on yet because I needed to see about an extension because she's on social security and it's going to be some extensive work to replace a roof. And so I need to see if she can get more time to save up the money to do the repairs.

So the work that was, that was the out, the foundation, the rotted fascias off of gutters missing. Oh wait, I'm sorry. I'm on the wrong house. That was an accessory structure, right?

Yes.

You want to keep it or you want to just tear it down?

I was going to rebuild it because it'd be cheaper to just repair it than it would be to buy another building to set there for her storage. It's just a one car garage.

Okay. And did you call Community Development today about a roof? Yes. Yes. She is in the floodway, so we can't do work in the floodway or the 500-year floodplain, so it's worth a try. That's a HUD requirement. Right. Yes, that's a HUD requirement. That's a HUD requirement. Yes. Okay. Did anybody go by and look at this before the hearing?

On the 3rd. We went by, saw that the pool and camper was removed, some of the trash and debris cleared, so I think the inspector wanted to see more cleaned up.

Yeah, I think it was her stuff that was on the porch where she had some boxes of stuff on the porch. I think they said it was what it was.

Okay. So what do you want to do? You want to affirm the rehab order and continue 30 days for an inspection? Yes.

Permit or inspect the building before they Really it's just the new roof and I think the door Was maybe like the top part of the door was open. So it wasn't really like completely enclosed the building wasn't I

Yeah, I think the door frame has broke loose on the corner. So when we opened it, the door kind of fell over. Yeah. And, yeah, I just needed to repair. I think it's more roof repair. And then just I'll probably rebuild the frame around the door just to make it more solid.

So they need a permit. Yeah. Okay.

So are you looking at doing this roof repair yourself? Yes. Okay. Have you estimated the cost? Because you indicated you might have to.

not yet because i've been out of state a lot and i haven't had a chance to do all the measurements and estimate the cost yet i'm figuring because it's just a small one car i'm figuring it's going to be probably close to a thousand to twelve hundred dollars at the price of building materials right now that meant i wanted to put a metal roof on it and not shingles and we're dealing only with the outbuilding not the house so correct okay

How long do you think it's going to take you to get the work done on the outbuilding? Getting your money together and everything. I don't know, because I'm on disability.

Yeah, with her on disability, to come up with that, I don't know.

90 days?

No, it'd probably be closer to 120, I would guess, because her bills takes the biggest part of her check every month.

You want to put it out 120?

That's January. It's not a great time to do the growth.

No.

You'll be cold. Yeah, I will. In January.

I'm hoping to be able to manage to do it sooner, like if I can find. That makes sense. Okay. I'm hoping, watching Marketplace, trying to find, like, use building materials where people had left over to buy cheaper to where I can do it quicker. And then putting it on shouldn't take more than a few days once she has all the materials. Okay. Because my sons are going to help between the three of us. We can tear the roof off and rebuild it very quick.

Well, we want to be flexible when we can. We know you're planning on doing this yourself. So... Why don't we I'll make a motion to affirm the order and we'll do an inspection and have you come back in January and by then have your money put together in your plan and Okay. And then in the springtime you can get it. Yes. I'm hoping it doesn't take that long. Give us an update at that point. What's that date in January?

January 14th.

Okay.

January 14th.

Right, Mindy?

Yep.

All right.

For right now, would it be fine to like tarp it over to keep? Yeah. Okay. Or just tarp it over and seal it up best I can until she can get it before the materials. Second.

That would be perfect. All those in favor?

Aye. All right.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Next, we have number 13, 500 West Howard Street.

Can we get your name and mailing address for the record, please?

Yes, I'm Lydia Watson. I'm representing Affordable Home Matters Indiana LLC as the Director of Real Estate Development. And our address is 1704 Bellefontaine Street, Indianapolis, Indiana, 46202.

Are you the property manager or the property owner?

We're the owner, sorry, yes.

I just want to make sure I understood.

All right, so what are your plans here?

Yes, so we pulled permits on August 28th, and this is part of the Ready Old West End project to which we have agreed to work with Pathstone to fully develop, rehab the project. We currently have spent... $58,000, we've done exterior framing, roof repair, some interior demo, as well as framing and HVAC rough-in. We are timeline is scheduled to finish the project by the beginning of February, February 4th, 2027. And I can show some pictures of where it currently is just to show you that we have been maintaining the cleanliness of the property and when we are in partnership with the Muncie Land Bank who has also been watching the property for us as well to maintain the exterior cleanup portion of the project.

So they have permits. Do we need them to come? They're working with the past stone. Do we need them to come back? You say you intend to be finished by February?

Completely finished.

Administrative enforcement? That works for me.

Are you keeping the, I call them fish scales. I don't know if that's what it's called, but that's what I call them. Are you keeping those on the top of the building? Because I love those on historic buildings.

You know what? Let me look and see. I do have his, let's see. I do have the contract here, so I need to just look through here. I believe our, so our plan is to keep anything that is, you know, more so like character. We're trying to maintain as much character as we can. We've got four total in that area that we're working with to maintain the character. That's greatly appreciated. Thank you.

And are all four of those part of the Ready project?

They are. Okay. Yes.

Okay. Yes.

All right. I would entertain a motion to affirm the order and move to administrative enforcement.

So moved. Second.

All those in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

So nice.

Here's a paper for you.

Next, we have number 16, 1900 block of East 26th Street, specifically 3306 South Juniper.

Yeah, Katina Stroud 409 East First Street Muncie, Indiana 47302 Yes, I am all right, so what's going on here so this resident was transferred to another unit August 5th however Due to some circumstances, she requested an ADA accommodation to extend the requirement to move. So we gave her until this coming Monday, which I believe is the 14th, to be out. We actually even provided her assistance to help her move yesterday. So I believe they may have gotten everything out of the unit. She's just been very difficult to work with. So we've been trying to work with her because of her disability as much as possible. However, it's just been a very difficult process. So we're hoping that they got everything out yesterday. And then our plan is once she hands in the keys, maintenance will be going into that unit to mitigate every issue that needs to be done.

Are you thinking that 30 days, 60 days?

I would say give us 60 days if at all possible, and then hopefully by then that will be taken care of. I'm hoping that she doesn't request an extra extension, but if she does, then I may not have any.

Do you have an accessible unit waiting for her?

Yes. Well, she's already been transferred and they're, they're moving. Like she was moved into that unit August 5th.

Okay. But stuff left behind. Is that the problem?

She's just had problems moving. And then like it took her a week to two weeks to reach out to me. Cause she only had 15 days to move from August 5th to go into that unit and it didn't happen. And then she reached out to an individual to request a disability, a combination to give her an extension and, So we had to honor that.

Go ahead. I just want to make sure I understand. I'm afraid I'm a little confused. You say she moved August 5th, but she didn't move August 5th?

So we transferred her to another unit on August 5th, but she hasn't physically moved her belongings out of the unit that she was staying in to that other one because she's not able to move by herself and just due to disability, so.

All right, so I would entertain an order to affirm the rehab order and continue for 60 days.

So moved. Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Thank you. If it's completed before that, just call for an inspection and it will be released.

And I've been trying to email Courtney and keep her updated as much as possible with the progress on with this, but.

Gotcha. Thank you.

Thank you. Next, we have number 17, 608 East Linda Lane.

Angela Sparlin at 608 Linda Lane, Muncie, Indiana, 47303.

All right. Looks like this was tagged on July 13th. for corner trim on the siding, pulling away from the structure, exposing wood, missing windows, missing guttering along the front. Do you live here? Yeah. Okay. And do you have a plan to get these things fixed?

Yeah. Right now, I was wondering, could you give me a leeway? A longer, because I had surgery on my shoulder. Okay.

How long would you think it would take you to get these things fixed?

About 90 days or something like that.

Are you doing this work yourself?

My brother-in-law is going to try to help me. Okay. He was wondering, because he works during the weekend, he was wondering, could I get a little way where he could help me? He said, my arm's in a sling.

I'm all right with 90 days. Are you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. All right. So I'd entertain a motion to affirm the rehab order and continue for 90 days.

So moved. Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye. All right, see you in a few months.

What's that December date? The 10th, thank you. Next we're calling number 26, 2808 Northwestwood. Oh, I'm sorry.

Can I speak on the 608 in the lane? Yes. My name is Ralph Privet. I live at 2905 Northwestwood in the same neighborhood. And I just wanted to say, obviously, the home needs some repair. It has for a couple years. I know a lot of people think that when they receive these notices that they're being picked on, but you guys are just trying to help them get smaller things done before it comes large. And they... lose their homes really. I just want to say that the Granville Neighborhood Association had received a grant and we elected to give it to homeowners instead of spending it actually on the neighborhood or the park or something, we elected to split it up and give it to homeowners for repairs to the outside of their homes to help improve the looks of the neighborhood. And I've talked with Angie. She knows that if she can get some of these smaller repairs fixed, the Neighborhood Association will reimburse her up to $1,500. Now, she does have to make the repairs and pay for it and give us a receipt before she can receive the money. So she would have to have it done and then collect her money back. But we can reimburse her up to $1,500. And... I think I forgot what else I was going to say.

Well, that's a wonderful note and wonderful news. And I appreciate the Granville Neighborhood Association looking at it that way.

Thank you.

And clearly a situation where, I mean, she needs her brother to help her. You know, there's just this is a perfect situation.

Yeah, and I was going to say that's what the neighborhood association can help her with. I don't know. I know she could use some more help. I don't know if you guys know of any organizations within the city that maybe she could, you could give her the name of that she could contact and try to get some assistance or not.

Home savers might be able to help her.

Who is it? Home Savers. Home Savers? OK. OK. That's all I got for this one. Thank you. OK. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you, Ralph. What?

Oh, shoot. I'm sorry. I'll get back.

I'm sorry. Number 26, 2808 Northwestwood.

Good afternoon. My name is Dylan Joe Kelly Hennis. My mailing address is 2501 North Morrison Road.

All right, what's going on here?

So, as of right now, the backyard has been handled. It's been cut down completely. The porch has been ripped out completely so that we can put some gravel down there, make it look nicer. I'm not entirely for sure what I can do about the vacant vehicle. My sister also owns the home and the vehicle is under her name. I don't know if legally I can do anything about that.

you are the owner i mean of the property uh co-owner co-owner so since you are one of the owners it is your right to have that vehicle towed away okay from your property all right learn that today okay um no matter who owns the vehicle you can have it towed away okay um

My goal is within the next 60 days, all of the repairs should be done. I am the only one who's actively doing anything in this process though. And money is kind of an issue when it comes down to that. But my goal is in the next 60 days, the issues should be solved that are not already.

All right. I think we did have someone else that wanted to speak on this one as well.

Just before you guys make your call. Sir, do you live there?

Not currently, no. We have plans to sell the house just because of the fact that we can't keep up with it. But I am still wanting to get these issues solved before the sale. Okay. I'm not entirely for sure about when the sale will be. The other owner has been... Uncooperative? To put it nicely, yes. Okay.

Ralph Privet, 2905 Northwestwood Road in Granville neighborhood. Actually, I did not know of the brother. I knew that she had a brother, but I didn't know you were still around anywhere. I know mostly about his sister. Her and I believe her boyfriend has moved in and out of the home a few times over the last maybe three years. It's been vacant quite a bit. At one point they were living somewhere else, but they had dogs in there and they would come back and feed and water and then leave, so the interior's a little messed up. The Neighborhood Association, we actually contacted his sister, and she gave us permission to take a bunch of junk out of the backyard, and we weed whacked the yard. And that was before it was tagged, and I think you've since mowed the yard again or something. Oh, yes. I know it's now been put up for sale, and I'm glad to see that. He's right from what I heard from a neighbor who is very good friends with his sister and her boyfriend. They basically just walked away from it and was going to let it go in a tax sale or was trying to sell it for cheap to the neighbor next door. I'm glad that he's getting involved in it. I know it has been put up for sale. I've seen it on Zillow. So hopefully it'll get sold. Somebody will buy it, rehab it, and move into it.

All right. Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate the neighborhood being here.

Mm-hmm.

All right is I do entertain a motion to affirm the rehab order and continue for 60 days see where we are So moved second all those in favor.

All right All right.

Thank you. Thank you.

She's got a paper for you up here Number 18 810 East Main Street One or three

Yeah, that's okay.

You hit it anyway.

Yeah. Name and mailing address for the record, please.

My name is Carl Long. Mailing address is 1505 East Kirby Avenue, Muncie, Indiana.

You're a new owner, aren't you?

Yeah, I'm a new owner on this one. And I know it's Nissan roof, but I know I got to get with the board to find out exactly what type of shingles they want. I think it's Westwood or something like that. Yes, I got to get with them. And then I also got to do the foundation on this one. So I'm just thinking by the time I get with them, I would say if you give me 90 days, I can have this one wrapped up.

Okay. Here's your man for the preservation committee.

Yes, yes, yes. I've been meaning to call you.

Did you get this in the taxi or did you buy it?

No, I bought it from the owner. Yep, I bought it from the owner.

Okay. So you say, what, 60 days?

90 days, ma'am. 90? Yes, ma'am.

That's right on me.

That's so nice. All right. So you'll agree to, I'd entertain a motion to affirm the rehab order and continue for 90 days?

So moved. Seconded.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye. Bring your card, James.

Yes. Here, I have a card for you. Can I approach? Did you have a question?

No, I'm just going to thank you for taking on this project. Yeah. Here you go. Thank you. Yeah. Generally, if whatever is on there, asphalt shingles, anything like that, in kind is fine.

Yeah, that's what he told me. Keep the same. Yeah. Yeah.

But, yeah, give me a call or text or show me an email, and I'll be glad to help you walk through that.

Do I got to keep the proposal?

No, no.

Nope. But you got to get the color approved. But you got to get that color approved. The color, yeah. Yeah. All right. For that neighborhood.

But thank you. That's really an important property to get rehabbed in the neighborhood.

Thank you. I got a couple more if it's okay. Yeah, we're going to wait.

Sorry. Okay. All right. That's fine.

Well, we're going to make you wait.

That's what we're going to do. Next, we're going to move on to the new cases for Middletown Properties, 29, 720 West Centennial, 30, 1109 East Kirby, and 31, 2106 West Main Street. Hi, can we get your name and mailing address for the record, please?

Dakota Crabtree with Middletown Property Group, 1709 North Walnut Street in Muncie, Indiana.

They are the owners, correct, or the managers for these properties?

We have ownership in all three and manage them.

Okay, so we'll start with the first one. 720 West Centennial, which it includes when we initially inspected and tagged it, it just included building 42 apartment A. But since then, we have received complaints from other units. So it also includes apartment A. Apartment 8, Apartment 1, and Apartment 2.

Okay.

Okay?

I do believe we have a progress inspection scheduled coming up. I think Haley reached out to make sure that that... Yeah, I told her.

I don't think I said it. She did reach out to get it set, but I told her I would get

Cool, and we wanted to walk all those units at once so we can knock them all out at the same complex. The update is on that specific unit, 42A, it was tagged. The front door, there's a work order scheduled for repair. Bedroom windows were sealed on July 29th for any leaks. We have a vendor scheduled to actually bid and inspect all the gutters at the property to make sure that they are draining away from the property and not anything running down the mortar and the brick. There was a work order in schedule for the bathroom clog, slow draining shower. We originally thought part of the issue was from the upstairs apartment, and we had actually replaced the commode and jetted out the line there as well. That did not fix the issue, so we're going back in to this unit. We are trying to locate a leak, repair and correct the drywall, and remediate any moisture issues. They are asking for 30 days to get this done. We think that we can get it wrapped up sooner than that and have the final inspection.

Are these all occupied apartments?

I believe this one, yes, these three are.

Okay. So you just want 30 days?

We'll probably get it wrapped up sooner than that, yes, ma'am.

All right. When you're finished, call for an inspection, and you won't have to come back on this one.

Cool. Thank you.

Assuming you pass.

Okay.

I'd entertain a motion to affirm the rehab order and continue for 30 days.

So moved.

second all those in favor all right all right okay and the next one 1109 east kirby yeah this is for the unit one um or b it's the the front door yeah oh the front door not the side door no it's the one where the porch the enclosed porch is that

I'm so sorry. We're talking 1109 Kirby, not 2106. Oh, I'm so sorry. All right, 1109 Kirby. That roof leak and the gutter damage, that has been addressed. The drywall from the resulting roof leak has been replaced. They have treated for moisture in the ceiling. They are scheduled to return complete sanding and paint on the ceiling. There is a work order in and scheduled for the foundation block mortar that was requested. They are, again, requesting 30 days. Again, I think we can wrap this one up even sooner.

All right. I would entertain a motion to affirm the rehab order and continue for 30 days. So moved.

With an inspection.

With an inspection. Yeah. So moved. If you pass the inspection, you don't have to come back.

Thank you.

Second. All those in favor?

Aye. Aye. All right, 2106 Main?

Yes.

Okay, so that's a duplex with a separate entrance to, it was actually a triplex once upon a time, and that basement apartment was decommissioned somewhat over time, and we do not, no one has access to that or has leased any access to that basement. We have, however, removed the bottom sheets of drywall throughout the entire unit where there was organic growth coming up. That has been removed, remediated. They have dried out. Let me get through here. Treated for moisture in the building. They are scheduled to return and complete sanding and painting. Excuse me. that approved to demo the garage. The garage was the second tag, I believe. First, it was the interior of the basement. The second was the garage. We are going to demo it. We have not yet obtained the permit. We should be doing that within the next week. And again, I think we can get this one knocked out a little bit longer than the first two, but 30 days should suffice.

It also says something about exterminate.

That is news to me, because as we've been out to the property, we've not run into any pests, but...

I think I remember that. It was mosquitoes. Okay. And all that standing water in the basement, that basement was completely full of mosquitoes.

Mosquitoes? Okay. Yep. Then we can have our exterminator go out and take a look at that.

All right. I would entertain a motion to affirm the order and continue for 30 days.

So moved. Second.

With an inspection.

With an inspection, so moved. Second.

All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

Aye. Aye.

All right, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Okay. Next, we're going to move on to new cases demo orders, number 32, 2301 West 9th Street. Hi. Can we get your name and mailing address of the record, please? Yes.

It's Penny Finney, 9745 Taylor Road, Martinsville, Indiana, 46151.

Well, looks like the building's gone. Yes. But the foundation's still there.

Yes. When this property was a church, it was my dad's. And when my dad passed away, they signed it over to me. We had the church demolished because it was inhabitable. Our plan was to build a house there, a residence, and we were told during the demolition that we could leave the foundation because we were going to build the house and put the house on there. So that's why the foundation is still there. Our plan is to still build a house there. It's just life has kind of gotten in the way. We live 2 hours away. So it's going to be a dedicated process when we do start the building we've been buying materials for the House to build it. A little bit at a time. So now it's just a matter of being able to get up here to start the building process. My husband's been he's a general contractor. We've been looking at the permits and all the stuff and we were kind of confused. We were going to go up and talk to them after this because there's some confusion about all of the, um, permits have to be done by people from Muncie licensed.

If it's regarding electrical plumbing or HVAC, they have to be licensed here. Um, doesn't mean they have to be specifically from here, but they have to have a license here. Um, Active license to be able to pull permits for the work being done now as far as the structural part as the homeowner You can be the general contractor for that We do not require general contractors to be licensed Okay Yeah, I just spent 30 minutes up here talking to them so they could straighten it out and our hopes was that They would work with us and we'd get this project moving along when they get the foundation repaired and

We're going to add on to it and get it done for the snow flies. So that's where we're at right now.

So you're looking to get your permit sometime soon?

Yes.

And you did receive the pictures of where it was all cleaned up?

Yes, and then we also drove by as well and saw that it was cleaned up and fenced.

So you said you were up there earlier. Do you have the information you need now? I got it right here.

We just got to fill it out, bring it back. And the lady said that she would help with any issues we had. Okay, perfect.

So you want to discharge this? yeah okay I would make a motion to discharge this and they can work through the building commissioners office and the building permit process so moved second all those in favor aye all right thank you yep you're welcome thank you thank you good luck with your project thank you

Next, we have number 33, 526 North Bennett Street. Name and mailing address for the record, please.

My name is Dino Bolgerbasic. Mailing address 5424 McFarland Road, Indianapolis, Indiana, 46227.

And are you representing property management?

I'm a property manager for the land trust. All right, what's going on here This property was sold under land contracts on 7 3 24 to Jessica Lynn Whitmire No, it is not I'm hurt I was told today that Jessica had contacted the city and started working on the property I don't know if there's any truth or not. I

So I had previously been in contact with her father. I've never talked with her personally They did have a building permit at one time When this was tagged in the past And but their building permit has expired so they do need to renew that They have made some progress in the last couple months, but no inspections have been obtained and Again, no permits have been renewed for the work.

And with an unrecorded land contract, obviously, you're the one being held responsible, your company that you're representing.

Right. I understand that.

So, this is also a new case. Then I guess I would entertain a motion to affirm the order and continue for 30 days.

So Ms. Whitmire can show up.

She get notified?

No, not since it's not recorded.

It's not recorded.

He's just put us on notice of that in a hearing.

If you can provide us with a copy of the land contract that you have so we have her mailing address.

I can do that.

But I know that they're aware or her father is aware because he saw the order posted on the house, but I don't have any contact with the... owners or the land contract buyer so yeah if you could send us that information that would be helpful did you want me to email it to yes and what email do you want me to send it to it's c walker at muncie.in.gov firm 30 days yeah we need to know what's going on so moved second all those in favor aye aye all right 30 days and affirmed thank you Next, we have number 35, 217 South Cole Avenue. Hi, can we get your name and mailing address for the record, please?

Yes, Caden K. Auto, 2851 North Oakwood Avenue, Muncie.

And are you representing the owner?

No, I represent RKM LLC. We are under contract for the purchase of this property.

Alright, what are your intentions?

So we should be closing. My goal would be next week, no later than September 24th per the purchase contract. We have been in contact with property pros here in Muncie. I've not received a copy of the demolition order. The other realtor did not give it to me, but it's pretty obvious the whole back structures like collapsed. So they went in, they have not provided a quote, but they have walked through it. We will be working with them or somebody else similar to them here in Muncie and they will be completely restructuring that back part. Beyond that, I would assume there's some extensive water damage, so we would be fixing the water damage in that back part since it's been left open. My observations, we need some work with the fascia, some work with the soffit, so that will be completed, as well as a complete interior remodel. Roofing, he was on the fence about whether it needs to be completely replaced or just that back portion. Whatever needs to be fixed will be fixed. We will get brand new siding as well. But yeah, full remodel.

Then what's the intent with the building?

We plan to sell it. You're going to sell it? Yes.

What's your timeline on your rehab?

I'm hoping less than three months, so between two and three. So if we close next week, we'd start immediately.

And you'll be getting permits?

Yes.

You want to go out 90 days, 60 days, see how they're doing? So I'd entertain a motion to you want to modify the demo order to a rehab order Affirm the demo order and continue for 90 days with permits.

Yes, I

So move.

Second. All those in favor?

Aye. Aye.

All right. See you in a few months. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you.

Keeping a really close eye on you.

All right. We're going to go on to continued cases, rehab orders. We have number 42, 1520 West 8th Street.

Troy Coates, mailing address 1510 West 7th Street, Muncie.

All right, what's going on here?

Last time I was here, we had talked about, we had had a fire, and I'm not rebuilding. And he had asked if I was going to sell it, and I said I was intending to, and I was given 90 days. I have not been able to sell it. And I talked to Brad at Habitat for Humanity this morning, and I couldn't even donate it to him. So it is up for tax sale, and my intentions are to let it be sold.

the 26th fall tax sale?

Yes. And having said that, I was wondering, because I know that you have a year to pay it back or whatever that is. I don't want that. Can I give them possession? Is there a way to give them possession sooner than that?

If someone buys it?

Yeah, if someone buys it. And then I understand if they don't, from what I read, the commissioner would pick it up. And then that's like 120 days, possibly.

Maybe. They would pick up every single property.

Right, right. In the event that it happened.

Right.

Because I would turn loose of it within, I would say, I could be totally done in 30 to 60 days with my stuff out of there.

Are you mowing it?

I have been mowing it as much as I possibly can.

When was the last time?

That I mowed it. I was over there last week. I didn't get it all done. I got most of it except for the backyard. About half of the backyard was still left. You did the front? I did do the front, yes. And a lot of the trash had been picked up, which I did that beforehand, but before the other case. But 2026 has been pretty brutal.

I just hate for it to sit there all this time. Yeah, and I don't know. With the tax sale.

I don't know if it'll, if they can, if you can just automatically hand it over.

I don't think you can because that's special treatment. I don't think you can.

Well, he could contact the buyer and tell him that, hey, I'd like to quitclaim this to you. Then they wouldn't even have to go through the process. He'd be the owner.

I would absolutely do that. That's, I just, I need to get it behind me.

Do you want to continue it 60 days to see if it sells?

Uh, I'd go 30 days because the tax sales on the 26th, right?

Um, I was told the 14th of next month.

Okay. All right.

It's October, October 14th.

Yeah. I thought it was October. Paid by the 13th.

Um, I guess I'd really like to see you keep it mode.

No problem. I will. You owned it. How long have I owned it? 10 years. We've moved in with my elderly mother to take care of her. Her cancers came back. She had a nasty car wreck. Yeah, it's been a thing.

So did you used to live here?

Yes, I used to live. I lived there for the whole 10 years.

if it does not sell in the tax sale? I would, too.

Yeah, I would rather demo it if he's not going to fix it.

We can see if it sells in the tax sale, and if it doesn't, then we can put it on the clients for demo.

All right, I would entertain a motion to continue for 60 days.

So moved. Second.

All those in favor? Aye.

One final question, if I may. If it doesn't sell, can I turn that over to the city at all? Hand it over? Nope. All right. That's all I needed.

We don't want it either.

But we'll tear it down.

But we'll tear it down, yeah.

At my cost? Is that how that works? Yeah. All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right. Next, we have number 45, 626 West 9th Street. Name and mailing address for the record, please.

Yeah, Nicholas Hutchinson, 626 West 9th Street, Muncie, Indiana.

All right, what's your updates?

Well, I contacted Nakia, but I still have to wait until my charges are done pending. Because of the flood last month, they pushed it out to September 14th. I've called my lawyer's office today and yesterday and last week, and there's been no update on what's going on. Uh, as according to the secretary, it sounds like they're going to push it out another month, my case. So, um, I am just got a job. Um, I'm working up, saving up, uh, money to, I'm paying off my debts to see if I can get a, if I can't get community development to help me to get a loan, to be able to do the roof.

What do you mean by a loan?

Like, uh, like I know Green Sky or whatever, something like that. I mean, they're the ones that did like my windows and my doors back five years ago and I'm almost paid off with them. So I'm hoping that I can get a loan from them to be able to get a new roof. I know I have no leaks or anything. So as right now, so, but it's been hard to try to find a full-time job. I was able to find a part-time job three days a week. Um, A lot of jobs said they'll hire me, but they don't want to hire somebody that has pending charges. That's my biggest issue is the pending.

And you're living there? Yeah.

That's been going on since 22.

When do you think you'll be able to apply for the new loan?

As of right now, I don't know. I'm going down Friday to pay off the tax sale because on July 1st, right when I got the money to pay off my property taxes, because you know, I was in jail and stuff like that. So I kind of fell behind. July 1st is when they submitted it for tax sale. So instead of paying $400, I had to pay $890. So I had the money this Friday to go down there and pay it off. So. But as of right now, I don't know. My credit score is slowly going up. I mean, originally, you guys said it was only the back portion of the roof that needed to be done, right where my back door is at, that leads into the backyard. That was originally, and that would have been a small portion that would have been less than probably $1,000 to do, but then it became the whole roof, so.

And so when did they think your new trial date would be?

Well, it's a change of plea. If they push out another month, it'll probably be in October. And lately, it's been somewhere in mid-October. So, like, I have the paper right here that says September 14th right now. But according to the secretary, they haven't.

Why don't we go out 90 days and see what happens?

Okay. Yeah, because community development says that I'm approved with my low income. It's just... They don't want to move forward with someone that has pending charges. Because originally I was approved back in July. It was supposed to get done in October, and October is the day I got arrested, or the month I got arrested. So my family didn't keep in contact with her like I asked them to, so they couldn't get a hold of me. So that's what happened.

All right. I entertain a motion for a 90-day continuance.

So moved. Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye. All right, let us know how it ends up.

Thank you. Next, we have number 46, 1621 West 16th Street. Can we get your name and mailing address for the record, please?

Heather Manship from Blue Sky, 806 West Jackson, Muncie, Indiana, 47305.

All right, what's going on here?

The owner is in the hospital, so I don't really have an update. I know they put it on the market to sell and it went on yesterday, but I don't have an update as to what work he's done or anything.

You're pretty familiar with prices. Did the price that they listed it at, was that in line? Just from your professional opinion. Oh, yes.

It's a bare bones price. I'm sure it'll get entertained.

Can I ask what they?

$17,000. $30,000?

$60,000?

Sixty, I think.

Is that a motion? Sounds fine.

Do we want a fine for not getting an inspection?

Ah.

It's been continued from July.

With a $150 fine for failure to get an inspection?

Yeah. I mean, it's been around.

James, do you second that?

Second.

All those in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. Thank you. Thank you. 60 days, $150 fine for no inspection.

All right, next we have number 47, 1812 West 16th Street. No one's here. Well, they signed in.

Well, looks like they left. Second call.

1812 West 16th Street. Anyone here for that property? Oh, I think he actually meant to sign in. He signed in on the wrong one. Sorry. Number 48, 1600 East 24th Street. Wrong line. Name and mailing address for the record, please.

1600 East 24th Street, Muncie, Indiana.

All right. What's going on here? Can I get your name, please?

Sorry.

Oh, my name is Yvonne Clark.

Thank you. And you are the property owner? Yes. Okay. Thank you.

I'm Cornelius Dollison. Excuse me. 1801 North Elgin Street, Interester Party.

All right. What's going on here?

Well, he's been trying to get the house finished up, and he's got an inspection coming next Thursday, I believe. He's just about finished with most of the work in there. He's still got some flooring and stuff to do, and he's also trying to get the money and everything to try to get the heating and air. installed in the property so he's pretty close to wrapping it up but he probably still need about another 90 days to get it all finished up but he's got an inspection coming so they can see where progress has been made on it oh that's coming up 9 15 okay

Go to December. You want 90 days? He's made progress. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

90? 90 days.

Motion?

I make a motion to affirm the order and continue it for 90 days. With an inspection. With an inspection. Second.

All those in favor? Aye. Aye. All righty. Thank you.

Thank you.

Next, we have number 49, 1001 West 29th Street. East, sorry.

Heather McKibbin, 5723 North State Road 67. Muncie.

All right, what's going on in the last month or so? How long has it been since you've been here? July? July.

We have hired a service manager. He is getting trained on our system. He is inspecting the techs. We have now lost two techs, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. They were not up to par. We passed our EVA inspection. He has done everything there. It has not been as much as we wanted, though, because he is still trying to get trained on the system and our process. So I put down our objectives for September, but the cars that we've gotten rid of, we have worked on getting rid of some of the older cars. Courtney sent me a list of kind of things when they came out and the response. I printed a copy of that on what we've done. My son was doing the inside. My son has started his own company and So after your visit, I just called the mowing company, and they are now doing the inside as well. So the company that is doing all of our other properties and the outside have now started doing the inside. Jim has a chainsaw. Jim will be out on Friday doing chainsaw work, getting the trees done. Mowing crew is going to be back on Wednesday. So they are taking sections at a time. He said that was easier.

That way they can... As far as the overgrowth or the cars?

The overgrowth, they are handling all of the inside of it. But they are doing section, huh?

Inside the fence?

Yes. They are doing it sections at a time. They said Jim's working on the trees hopefully tomorrow. Tarps are there waiting for them to get that out. He got the lift gate truck going so that we can pull cars, the four in the back, out once the mowing gets handled. I don't know about the fencing yet. I'm going to have to look on that to find out. And with the loss of the technicians, we may be pulling our heavy guy from Sparks to come over there and start handling cars. Jim is going through the cars. There are little white marks on all the cars because he's trying to sort them. This is go through them what they need everything is marked and sort them on the property Hey, these are repos. This is what? The time that they are sitting there scrap engine transmission to sort them out The third page because Jim's new I and we have so much to do. This is kind of our little, hey, there is so much to do, it is way overwhelming. So what we are doing is making the list of what to do. We work on round three. As they get marked off, we just continue back down and just keep going through the list until we get our list done of what needs to be done.

just kind of easier way to keep him without getting so overwhelmed but keeping progress moving so it looks like in august you got rid of 14 cars yes that you sold yes i don't see anything any on here that had been scrapped no not yet so since the july hearing you haven't scrapped any cars no not yet

We have cars ready for scrap, but they have not been scrapped yet. We are getting a designated area for those so that he can come all at once instead of one at a time. But it has been very overwhelming for the service manager. We've been doing cleanup as far as the barrels. That will be.

Yeah, I did an inspection on 9-4 with their mechanic, Jim, and pointed out a list of things that I definitely wanted to see in the next 30 days, like the four cars in the back with trees growing through them definitely need to be removed. The overgrowth needs to be cut back down. The fences need to be repaired. There was at least four holes in the fence.

They continue to cut holes in the fence.

Also needing to create an actual barrier of the fence since they are aligning residential properties. They do have to have a physical barrier, not just a chain link fence. Define a physical barrier.

So if the the ones they have there are the fences with the slats in it Okay

I think I can get everything done on your list within the next 30 days, except for the fencing. I've got to find out pricing and stuff on that.

And they also have engines that they need to have covered or removed, and then the barrels need to be removed, which I explained to them how they can go about that. So those were the main things that I wanted to try to see, get it cleaned up a little bit better, aside from getting cars out.

okay so if I read this correctly there are one two three four five things that are in here that you said to do you said you can do all of them I believe we can do all those in the next 30 days except for the fence and I need to get at least have an update for how did to complete the fence issue yes

Are you still at a limited number of cars that can be removed by your salvage person a month I

So we're going through, like I said, we're going through every single car on the lot moves or needs an engine or transmission. They went through everything, but we need to go. Jim is trying his best to get through and label everything. So they don't have a engine or a transmission. They do. It may need replaced. So like I have a Traverse over there. It's a 2012 Traverse. I can put an engine in it and resell it.

My only concern from the past has been, as we were talking about, trees growing out of cars and bodies, chassis being there, but they're not replaced. you know, running was that you had testified that everything had been looked at and everything was running or able to run.

Except for the trees.

Yes.

But Jim is working on that.

But you just said. Some may need engines or.

Well, we have other cars on the lot. Like I said, there's a traverse right outside the East Bay that needs an engine.

And I understand. I'm just making note that it has been testified in the past that everything was. was no longer scrap or of junkyard scrap type. It was running, sellable, able to be moved. And it doesn't appear that everything has been.

So the limo and the big truck in the back, the four that she's talking about. But the other cars are. So we have not added any more cars to the lot.

Good. Thank you. No.

I mean, the overgrowth was getting bad again, but it wasn't worse other than that. It was kind of the same.

we do those four items I think it should be read into the record that that's what our expectation is otherwise it's non-compliance since that's agreed upon and do you want pictures just inspection yeah all right want to move read these I'll make a motion that we

Continue this for 30 days because it's been stated that you will handle the grass and trees that are overgrowing again and whatever they sprayed on it doesn't seem to be working.

No, our spray did not work very well.

Okay. Number two, removing the four vehicles in the back, the bread truck with the tree growing through it and the dump truck and the red S10 and the white Impala. I believe it's an Impala. Number three, Removing or covering the pile of motors. Number four, removing the blue barrels with mystery liquid in them. I told Jim that they can take them over to ECI and using, you know, they can use the lots address and they won't necessarily have to pay anything. I can't guarantee that, but if that's a possibility. Those are the four items.

Well, that's the part.

And then come up with a plan for repairing the fence. So that it provides the zoning requirement that protects the view from the neighboring residential properties. With inspection. With inspection and come back on October 8th. I'll second.

All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Motion carries.

Does it matter on the fencing? Don't they have that black stuff that goes on the fence for a better barrier?

Yeah. Yeah, just as long as it's, it can't be transparent.

It has to be screened from public view. In particular, it has to be screened from the single family homes that are across.

I didn't know if there was a folder for that. Oh, you've got it.

Okay. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Heather. Next, we have number 50, 502 East Adams Street. And you are the owner with Southwest Units, LLC?

Yes.

Did you give us your mailing address?

502 Adams.

That's your mailing address?

Can be received mail there, or can I use my PO Box 254? PO Box 254, Centerville, Indiana, 47330. Thank you. Um...

The last time we saw you was in July, and we had continued it 30 days for you to obtain a building permit. Of course, we weren't here in August, so that gave you an additional 30 days. Have you obtained a building permit for the repairs?

Not yet. We got the release right before the last hearing for the damaged apartment.

From insurance?

from insurance, yes. And we have started working on it. We filled up one 40-yard dumpster yet. It was picked up this morning. And there's just a lot, a lot of more stuff to do. We have started with getting quotes on the repair. I got a few with me. I can show you it. I have a few more that we're waiting for coming.

Yeah. Are these a copy for us, or do you need them back?

And we still need to get once we have calls for everything we need to get it and for the insurance for review and approval. As the cost are way more than it was original purchased.

All right. So how long until you think you can get a permit?

A permit I can get right now. I mean, I can get up and get a permit, but I don't know exactly what, like.

Because you're still waiting on insurance?

I don't wait on insurance now, but I wait. I'm not ready to start building it back. before we have all the quotes giving in for the insurance and get it that they give the go ahead. So far we have $180,000, $184,000, this is what I just gave. And we wanna go over with them, make sure we have, we know what we're getting, not we're gonna start and not be able to finish. So we know which level we go and what's,

So you think you can be ready to make a decision in 30 days?

I don't really think 30 days because we still have, I would say, another two or three weeks to get it cleared out, that unit. So we can get them, the companies which took the estimates back into that unit as well. I can go and get a permit if that's the way how you want to do it. Get a permit and... I would say to know for sure after insurance approval should be about 90 days. To complete the work?

No.

To know, not to complete. It's all gutted. Like we need to do all the electric, all the plumbing, drywall, basically everything. And it needs to be

Okay, well, I know this electric quote is from April 19th.

Right.

And then here's a second one on August 6th. What does the insurance company require? How many do you have to have?

They don't require I need to give it to them, but they just say, we can't tell you we're going to pay you All the costs when we don't know what the cost will be so we need to give them and everything so they can review it and and say OK we can this is an approved and we're going to pay it as you go.

So can you just get a general contractor to give you an estimate and then they do all the. you know, plumbing HVAC electrical in their quote, you give that to the insurance company and the insurance company says yay or nay. I mean, are they just going to say, well, you have, this is the amount of coverage you have. We're not going to pay to replace everything.

We can do that. I was just trying to go saving the fee of the general contractor and go to all this. But if I can do that, yes. I guess what what what quotes do you have and what quotes do you still need to get we have electric we have drywall We have heating and cooling Plumbing and plumbing and then painting finishing and I Guess when when was the fire? April I guess I don't understand what takes so long I even hired the Public adjuster to get it to get it basically get out the most of it and get it quicker and We were following on him and so much and he says this is insurance company. This is what it takes and not much we can do and Yeah Is it secure? It is locked. And the property outside, we mow it, we take care of it like before.

I would just like an update sooner than later.

60 days too far to go out? Is somebody else here to speak on it? Yes. Okay.

Okay, thank you. We'll come back to you. Okay.

Can we get your name and mailing address for the record? Tracy Green. Do you have a mailing address, Tracy? 415 East Gilbert Street, Apartment 7.

Could you come up to the mic so everyone can hear, please? Sorry.

And you are a previous tenant, correct? Yes. Of this building? Yes.

Okay. What did you want to say?

Well, I mean, he is right on the electrical. I mean, they need plenty of outlets in the building to get everything working right because that's what caused the fire is not having very many outlets in the building. and we had to depend on certain outlets to, excuse me, certain outlets to plug in our outlets, like the TV, the appliances, stuff like that. So.

I presume it'll have to be, since it's, is it, the upstairs burnt, but the downstairs isn't burnt.

Yeah, upstairs burnt, and I got the water damaged downstairs.

Okay, yeah, so when it's rewired it'll have to be to code and yeah, so Anything else I Don't really got much to say.

I mean, I'm completely out of the place. So I can't really say too much Okay

We just gave her another apartment that morning. Yeah, over on Gilbert, yeah, they helped me. Even she was late on rent, and we haven't got much rent the last few months, but we still did it, and...

Okay, 60-day continuance for an update.

Yeah, I recently just had to go to court for them in August 26th. But when I went, they didn't show up, so the judge went ahead and dismissed my court thing.

It was an eviction I filed against her, and we couldn't make it.

So we're trying to be nice. Yeah. Well, they've been pretty reasonable with me and been really nice working with me.