Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

plan commission meeting for Jan uh June 18th, 2025. Roll call, please. Washburn here. Basnowski here. Basil here. Batia here. Meer here. Rizzler here. Driver here. Next will be the approval of the meeting minutes from May 21st, 2025. Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the uh planning commission May 21st, 2025 meeting of the minutes of the meeting. Second. I'm going to make a corrections to those though. Um I couldn't call the meeting to order since I wasn't here. So that's needs to be changed to back to Davis. Got it. All right. So we have a motion, a second. Any further comments or questions? Hearing none. I'll call the question. All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Sorry. Yep. Abstain. Yes. Next will be new business. 4800 90th Street and 4811 County Trunk Highway H. Site plan review SP 257. Robin. Oh, he's over there. So, I'm just going to throw this one over to Claude for for this one. So, he can Claude. Good afternoon everyone. So again this is um early on when our our our partners Microsoft uh joined our community we brought this to their attention right away. If you go back I think it was about three years ago we did a small section when I say we the the village in the county working with a grant that we received from the DNR. We did a section right at the at highway H in the lamp perk. We improved that a couple of years ago with root pike wind. So now um Microsoft working with Rootp as well as Santic uh representative is here they are now looking to help us improve they're going to do it basically from H all the way to 90th Street. So that whole corridor that's quite frankly encompasses their site area 3B and area 3A Lamp Perry Creek would be improved in

that area with the understanding I mean the village still has a 75 foot easement on each side of that the bank so we can obviously do any type of maintaining and and restoration of that if something does happen later on. This is all being funded through Microsoft working with Root Bike Win and Sante. Other than that it's pretty simple. Uh it's obviously we're Tony's involved with this from our standpoint. Santech has been involved since day one as as has group bike. I thought Dave might even be here but I see Dave Gardo from group bike is not here yet. So but yeah, it's a great project. It's a great uh we thank Microsoft uh again for helping us with this issue. So it's uh you see the plans in front of you. They're very detailed. A lot of stuff has to get done in here. Uh again, having walked this creek one summer day, uh this is a well well money well spent here getting this done. And again, uh our goal from the village standpoint would obviously be to try to continue this down to the pike at the last phase would be of this project. So we're working on that as well as soon as this phase gets done. So happy to answer any questions or I know there's a representative from Sante here as well. Okay, any questions for Claude? I guess I I talked with you previously this today and just talked about the fact that this is also going to be open to the public for access. There'll be access to be able to use that, right? But again, we're not putting any this is one of the we're not going to put a multi-purpose path along this section of this area here because again, obviously Microsoft on both sides of this has uh structures, you know, going up are going to be put up. So, they'll have limited access. Can they walk it? Sure, they can probably walk it. Uh, but there won't be a multi-purpose path. Do you want me to talk right here? Is this perfect? Hi, um, I'm Heather Schwar. I'm from Stantech. I'm a water resources engineer. I'm the project engineer on the design for the Lamper Creek. So, I do just want to clarify as far as access goes. Yes, there's there's

that easement there, but due to the campus uh, and being there for Microsoft, security concerns along that corridor are there. So, I don't see it as a place that the public is going to be accessing it. You know, there won't be a path. It's not something and we we can clarify this with Microsoft representatives if you want, but this is not like a public access corridor, but it's a village will have access. But the village will have access. Okay. But it's a waterway. So, I'm not sure how that works with the DNR as far as because far as I know, you can always walk waterways. If you walk in the creek. Yes. If you're in the water, stay in the water because again, there there could be fish. I mean, that's they're going to be there. Yeah. And and we want there to be fish. That's that's one of the main restoration goals that we're having there. Yes. So, so as far as accessing the water, Yes. But it's not like a public thoroughfare or things like that, you know, it's not Okay. I just want to clarify, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Um I think just too as a reminder when we approved the developers agreement for Microsoft part of the Lamperic Creek this part of the Lamperic Creek restoration was part of that um agreement and at that point they made it clear that it's not considered a waterway of the nation and that would be an Army Corps jurisdiction and and if it were and then it would require access but this is a local creek and it is on private property. So, I think that, you know, we're not anti I we never as a board anticipated that this would be a public right ofway or public walkway or pathway. It was intended for the restoration purposes of the creek. So, just a point from the board and I can clarify those things for you and get back to you on that again. And Nancy is right to I mean we when I say we the village will have access for any type of maintenance thing long term. Is it going to be advertised that it's open to the public? It's not because

again this would be a highly secured site being Microsoft on both sides but I'll clarify just exactly how much access it's going to be available. I will clarify that it's on private property. It's still on private property but again we maintain a 75 foot east on east side. Good. Hey Claude, what's the timeline of this? Uh um I I think obviously they didn't want to get started yet this fall or this summer. I think it's the last I saw. Yeah. Was it almost two years? This is a a draft timeline that I'm sharing with you. So, right now, site preparation and construction planning and coordination are happening June and July right now. Uh the permit issuance, we're expecting, we've already started getting a few permits in. So, that will be in June, July as well. Construction kickoff, we're hoping early August kind of time frame. Um and the uh actual construction during low flow conditions of the stream for the restoration on the stream will be through November December of this year. Uh enhancement planting so all the plantings that would go in on the stream banks and on the flood planes and on the uplands that would be in spring of 26 and then post construction site management would be through 2026. Thank you. Any other questions for Claude or Heather or Robin? Do we need a motion? Mhm. Um, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve the site plan review SP25-07 at 4890th Street and 4811 County Trunk Highway H. Second. Motion a second. Any further discussion? Any public comment on this hearing? None. I'll call a question. All

in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you, Heather. Thank you, Cloud. Next will be 5714 Braraw Road zoning map amendment ZMA 256. Robin, thank you. So, uh, I'm I'm pulling double duty today. I'm doing, uh, I will be Sam and and Robin today. So, you'll be off the hook. You This side is Sam and we sited Robin. You can you could just call Sam or Robin. I'm answering for both today. Well, they've moved me down here to the end. They can try and keep me away, but, you know, it's all good. Okay. Uh, off the top, I do want to um I had uh Miriam Braun of the eponymous Brun Road uh came in today and uh asked why this was 5714 because uh that block is actually east of uh Green Bay Road. Short answer is I don't know why, but whenever you have uh farmsteads and farm parcels split off to each other, they kind of keep the old address information. So, if this was a much larger parcel a long time ago, it still has that until it gets assigned a new address. So, that's sort of how you get those um uh discrepancies. So, this is the um zoning map amendment. Um it's for the 60 acres um right next to the Pike River. Um and it would be sort of located to describe where it is. It would be immediately south of where Oaks Road dead ends. So you're on Durand hang right and then Oaks Road dead ends right there around the mixing plant. So you're looking at Menard's tobacco Menards and stuff like

that. And then on the other side it goes all the way to Bronn Road. So and that is indicated on the map there. The applicant applied to amend the zoning map for the property from AG2 which is general agriculture to RM1 moderate density residential 1. Applicant wishes to construct a 336 unit residential development with sites for detached two-unit and townhouse buildings. Um the plan provided is just a concept and the applicant must apply for preliminary and final plat approval to subdivide the property. Additionally, a land division is subject to development agreement for the village for the installation of the public infrastructure which is going to be uh significant discussions there. Um the village uh staff has a has a positive recommendation that you guys recommend approval to the village board. Uh so this is basically the submitted um plaque well like a concept plan and notice the nice red uh note there is that it is a concept plan for general illustration purposes. it has not been re reviewed for compliance with zoning or land division chapters of the ordinance or the comprehensive plan. So that's just basically to give you an idea of what the reszon could entail. Um, additionally, we have a zoning map amendment uh zoning text amendment for the RN zoning district which would affect this property. Originally, this property applied for that zoning district. Um, but they will basically be concurrent, so they couldn't apply for something that doesn't quite exist yet. Um, but it will roll over. Every RM1 designation rolls immediately into the new RN district. um that will change a couple of things,

but for the most part, um that zoning amendment will give you guys more power as far as the subdivision process because every we're kind of steering all of these applications to a subdivision process. I think we've talked about that before. Uh so this is the Did that line up right? Yes, it did. So this is the master plan now. Um this was updated in 2023. Um so the the things I want to sort of draw attention to is the the green line that is the extension of Oaks Road. Um and then the lines extending Biscane to that green Oaks Road and a north south road along the top. Um, this has been on the plans for at least over 20 years. Um, so these are documents from way back in the day because you can see Mount Pleasant Town Hall is labeled on the top of them there. This uh these plans were drawn up in 2002 and 2003 before Green Bay Road was relocated. Um, so they kind like basically are acknowledging that relocation and offer some layout to uh extending the roadways through this area. Um, so it's been on the maps before any of the subdivisions or anything like that existed. Um, so that being said, the exact layout isn't necessarily something is always going to work. It's subject to change. We expect this application um to apply for not only the preliminary plat application but a um comprehensive plan amendment. Um during that discussion we can kind of fill in the

blanks as far as our ordinances and what they require out of where public roadways need to go. Any questions here? Well, on this map that you're showing us here, that parcel is slated as future park site. The that parcel that's actually still there. Um, but it is Let me go back once. That park that park site is to the west of uh the Oak Oaks Road extension. Still part of the parcel appears. Yeah. What do you mean it's north? What do you mean it's north? So, I I've switched it back here and that park site is basically adjacent to the Pike River as are as are many of the units that are shown on this version seven concept plan. Yes. It doesn't it doesn't have a park side delineated on there. And I think because this map wasn't from 2023, I think they updated it. The the parks and wreck open space plan was updated after that, right George? Was posted that. I could I can p I'll when I get a chance to look at the map. I think that park site has been re relocated a little bit to the north and to the east of this property, but there is one in that general area. Oh, okay. Rob Robin. Uh the page that you had before, hun. Uh if you can go back. Yeah. Uh this one. No, the one that before. This one. Uh the old maps. Okay. Would the Biscane road

get extended and connected to this proposed development? Sorry, because you know because there's another development on the east of you, you know, like proposed. So my understanding is then this should not be connecting to the Biscane road, but the map that you had on the page that shows Biscane Road goes all the way. So yeah, so this is as about as far away from that as you can get. There's a lot of steps that have to happen in the meantime. Um but there is a connection out of this property that's indicated on their concept plan and we would make sure that that would line up. Um so because according our comp comprehensive plan um this game road would connect from that neighborhood to all the way over here to Oaks. Um, while we definitely do hear the concerns about cut through traffic or anything like that, I think the advantages for that neighborhood of that connection would be it would save you what 10 minutes if you wanted to go to Menard's um as opposed to going out up Green Bay through the the intersection at Durand and Green Bay and then over that way. So, I think that would be the direction of most of the traffic from there, but I'm not a traffic modeling expert. Mhm. Um but that just seems that's the most convenient way. Yeah, correct. You know, I can see that like you said if you want to go to Menards or or Walmart, so there's an advantage. But on the other hand uh at the last village board uh the meeting the other development which we had to uh to table it uh you know for the lack of the processes there were the residents there their main concern was that the Biscane road that's a very nice the neighborhood and there's no outlet from there. So once you once you extend

that that's going to upset the whole the neighborhood. Well, there's a there's a couple of things you can do we can do and we can suggest to avoid that outcome. Um, connectivity is important, but also maintaining neighborhood character and keeping things uh nice and stuff like that. We can basically in the amendment to the comprehensive plan specify like basically road design standards. What I would recommend is traffic calming measures and potential roundabouts, mini roundabouts, curb extensions, or even speed bumps. Putting them in and as a part of a comprehensive plan all the way at the beginning kind of eases the way for that to go down. Um, I know some everybody has their favorite and their least favorite of all those options, but if our goal is to slow traffic down and to sort of discourage cut through traffic, they definitely work. Um, so we want to have public road frontage and connectivity. Um, but you don't want to make a 40 foot wide asphalt road where people will drive very very fast. So, uh, it's not necessarily the dead end itself that makes it a nice nice neighborhood. It's the fact that it's a nice neighborhood. Um, nice neighborhoods can't connect to other places. So, yeah. No, I do understand. And the item on the agenda is not about the uh site plan. I know. So, we don't want to go through detailed discussion. I know it's only for the zoning amendment, but I but I wanted to bring that up because that would that would be a huge concern to all the neighbors. And so I look forward to Z. No, it's appropriate to discuss if you guys would like to have um would you if you would like to basically designate or instruct staff um to come with a comprehensive plan amendment that like basically meets what you want to see out of a neighborhood as far as the street

profiles and stuff like that are concerned or maybe that would address the concerns of the neighbors. That's something staff can do. Um, and it's best if you have any of these concerns about the concept plan uh to address them now so they certainly can uh address them and shift any of that concept before we actually get a preliminary plat application. Um, it just saves everybody time. Sure. Thank you. Well, I'd like to echo some of that and just as you just said, uh, bring out some of the things that strike me about the concept plan that that was submitted with the zoning map amendment application. U, as I look to the north of this property and see the concrete mixing plant, um, it it creates a generates quite a bit of noise. and it's fairly loud sitting there at the dead end. U then you also have the um industrial building and we all know Menard's Walmart, all the fast food um locations there. Um any connection between Brown Road and and uh Oaks I think is going to become a major thoroughare. Um, in this version seven concept, I see single family homes that are fronting on this road that I think is going to be occupied with semi-truckss, concrete mixing trucks, um, and a ton of traffic. If I live in seasons and I want to go to Menard's, I'm not going to go to Green Bay Road. I'm going to go to Oaks Road and go right up the street. If I'm leaving the concrete plant and I have a job over by the eye, I'm not going to go to Green Bay Road. I'm not going to go to uh Durant. I'm going to go through this subdivision.

So, we have either we're going to call it a subdivision or we can make it a neighborhood. And if we're going to make it a neighborhood, then I think that that road needs to be uh looked at as a thoroughfare and not as a place to have homes, single family homes with uh people raising their children there. So, Oaks Road has always planned is has always been planned as a collector. It's meant to carry traffic, not like an arterial like 31, but it's to carry traffic through this middle of this neighborhood. And the concept plan doesn't really address the purpose of that because it's going to be driveways for every single unit, which is going to slow the traffic down, which you don't want. So, I wouldn't even bother with understanding the concept plan. The issue is the zoning. is the zoning something to be re supported and I would say yeah and then we'll deal with the details later because you know I worked for the county since 1981 and that probably showed up 1983 uh and it's been there and we used to have a fight with the consultant planner the village a town had at the time to he wanted to swing it around to 31 and we didn't want that to happened. We wanted to dead end at Brown. Well, he won. So, now it's planned to swing around and pick up 31, which makes it even more of a collector. So, let's deal with is moderate density residential what we want for this neighborhood and deal with the concept later, the plan later, because you know there's going to be an art well, a collector street through the middle of this. So, you back the houses onto that. You do a

little bit more uh creative design with culde-sacs and stuff like that. So, you're not fronting single family residential houses or even duplexes onto a a collector because it Yeah, it's got Menards and whatnot at the north end. That batch plant's probably going to be gone at some point, but they're going to fly up there. Yeah. And uh you know, there's this traffic light there. So, you can go up, go left, right, you know, keep going on up to Washington Avenue. So, that Yeah, it's a big road. We don't want single family fronting on it if we can avoid it. Right. And just to bring up these points so that the developer can then talk with staff is the only reason I bring these up now. Oh, yeah. We do appreciate that. And especially since a comprehensive plan amendment would be needed to do like the road network. And also um if you guys wanted us to kind of include any additional um recommendations for the road network for the other parcels as well. Um mostly we uh anything that Sam and I have drawn up are just basically following our subdivision rules. you know, just, you know, kind of it's got to be this far and this far from here and all that sort of stuff. Um, but we definitely can take that guidance. Um, uh, definitely hear you on on the fact that as shown like a bend like this in a collector would slow it down. Um, but it doesn't appear to function as a collector. I would probably say that common collectors to for um comparison sake is 90th Street, Sunny Slope, stuff like that where um they're like wider two-lane roads and not a four-lane road. Um this one doesn't have driveways exiting out onto the collector. It actually has alley

served um residences, which is better for that reason. Um and we would recommend that for a a busier stretch anyway. So um the conversation about the road network and stuff like that is something that is going to be a big part of this application in the future. Um right now we are kind of determining whether or not the zoning is appropriate. Um but every document we've had or drafted since uh I've been alive uh which was also 1981 uh good year uh has indicated that this is to be connected um through and generally Green Bay Road 31 is the designated trucking route. So most of the through trucking traffic will stay on 31. Um but this would create an alternative route for to get to that area of the village. Now if if something like you have an option between the the neighborhood road Biscane or say like an approved Braraw Road which the crosssection looks like 90th or something like that and a controlled intersection with those two. That would be the preference. like you wouldn't like say an improved Bron Road would have preference over a potentially traffic calmed Biscane Avenue. So, chairman, go ahead. We're getting a little off topic here. Sorry. We're really diving in the weeds. Um, I'm going to suggest a couple of things. Number one, what I like about this project is the fact that it's an experienced developer who's developed another project successfully very similar to it on Green Bay Road and the connection to and will be building the connection to Green Bay Road off of

Oaks. So, we understand where Oaks Road is going to go through. Bear Development is the builder uh and developer of that site. And what I also like about this site plan, even though that's not our topic, is that once again, they have understood our zoning code. They are the only developers that have come into town and used our new zoning code efficiently and effectively and successfully. So, I think the discussions over traffic are very important in my mind. I reached out to Claude Loyce this morning because the Oaks Road connection to me is a no-brainer. I mean, we have the only way to take traffic off of 90th Street, off of Green Bay Road, is to find another way to get north and south. And Oaks Road, as as Frank said, has been in the plan since 1983. I haven't been around since 1983, but I've been around since 1998, and it's always been in the plan. I think we have to confirm from a zoning perspective, George, what is the park situation? Is this been removed? I think it has been from the park plan. The board will want to know that. So, I just did pull it up. The proposed park is if you took Bradley Drive and extended it west to connect directly to Oaks. It's on uh a parcel just in between W uh north of uh Bradley if that extended straight westward. So, it's just west of South Drive is where the current proposed park location is from the park and open space plan. Okay. And we don't have that map in front of us with those roads on it. So, we'll have to look that up. But, if you could Yeah, I pulled it up on the GIS just to confirm. Okay. So, this property does not have this has got it right here now. This map he's got it. So, he's talking about See, so the green that's circled and it says 26, it would be slightly to

the to the west of that. Is that correct, George? Sorry, what was the what was the address? So, it's not an address, but the blue parcel, that's an indust industrial parcel. That is basically the upper limit of of this Bradley would extend west. So, it's to the west of the green blob. Yeah. Yeah, that's accurate. Yeah. Like I said, it's it's not on this parcel. All I'm asking is it on this parcel? I don't believe so. Okay. What's the parcel ID number? Do you have it, Robin? Yes, I do. That means nothing to me. No, if he gives me the partial ID, I can tell you which property number the last digits are 53,000. Uh 15132265300 0. No, it is not on that parcel. The proposed park site. Good. All right. And and that's my fault. I the the site this is the master plan image that is on linked on our website and so I I I thought it was good. So I downloaded it and it's from 2023 but some aspects have been updated since then. So Mia Copa that's no problem. So I I think that you know really what this is becoming is this neighborhood is a big jigsaw puzzle and between Foxcon started it, Microsoft finished it and now we're seeing all sorts of pieces of the puzzle fall in. And so I think that when it comes to our comprehensive plan, we need to be very very uh well aware of the road connectivities that we want and that we want to keep. Biscane is a very important east west street. It always has been. It's been in the plan for again from for over 30 or for 35 years that the only way to take traffic off of certain other roads is to create new roadways for the traffic to go on. So I

think having said that with the with the items that we have coming up before us, the zoning on this property is the RM1 is less than the other property that came up before us Monday night that that we didn't have the public hearing for. I want to make sure the developer has looked at the RN zoning so that you understand what RM will transfer into. I think it fits your property. It's kind of like a PUD. you know, we used to use the old PUB zoning. That's what the RN is kind of allowing us now to do in these mixed unit developments like this. And I think the other question that ultimately as the site plan for this and the other parcel moves down the road, and if Claude can speak to it is what's going on with Brown Road because the bottom line is we have almost a thousand units now that look like they're going to be uh coming out to Brown Road in the next five years. So, the the improvements, the timeline, who's going to pay for it, how can Claude, can you update us on that? And I think if you could be just high level because it's going to be a high level. We're off topic. I just got this uh yesterday. So, uh again, I agree with what's going on on Braraw Road. Uh right now, the city staff or the village staff is looking at Yes. Do we uh improve Brrawn Road, which is one of the things we're looking at? Obviously, sewer is part of one of the projects. So, so we got to go down part of Brun road as well. So, we're looking to do um I met with you know Tony engineer today. So, curb gutter our challenge is we only got 80 foot wide ement here. So, that's going to be our challenge and part of it in Sturivan folks. So, if we do a multi-purpose path on the south end and the sidewalks on the north end, you know, that's going to be our challenge, but we are working on that right now if we So, does Sturdivan have Well, I can talk to you about that. I think the board's going to be very interested in this as well. I would think um because you know these these are the type of

zonings and the type of projects that you know Foxcon kind of let loose on us and it's falling into place now particularly with with the advent of Microsoft. So um I certainly think this is a is a a good start to a plan. Um it's been thought out. They understand collector streets having built several of them in their lifetime. So um that's all. Thank you. Good. Thank you. I would only I would only just add that um that bike we're also doing the bike plan the pedestrian bike plan concurrently with this and one of the often uh sort of complaints was I love the Pike River Parkway. I can't get to it um because of the east west connections. Um I can't get to it on my bike. Uh a multi-use pathway on the south side of Brun would alleviate a lot of those concerns. Um, so and then clarifying about a little bit about the the new RN district, I I would liken it to basically a mismash of the RL2 and RM1. It allows between one to six units and uh flexible um town homes and small multifamily like um the villas, the fourunit condos and stuff like that. Those are the type of forms that would be allowed there. Um, so, uh, and, uh, also the reason why we're really excited about it is because the our zone, like you said, Nancy, our zoning code led to the success of Bears's development. And I'll let them speak to that. Um, which is why they are in the market for this one. Any further questions for Robin? Do you want to hear from the developer? strictly on on the resone. Excuse me. On the reszone, not on site plan. Choking you up, huh? Yes. Sorry about that. Wow.

Would you like to give your name and address and and SR Mills, 4118th Street, Kenosha, Wisconsin with Bear Development. Uh it's good to see everybody again. Appreciative of the the comments. I know it's always a little dangerous when you submit a concept plan and say we're only here for the reasonzoning and not opine a little bit on the concept plan, but we did want to uh you know much of it was for our purposes as well as trying to make sure that we we think we're going in the right direction. We know there's work to do. We know there's connectors with the collector streets. We have to be very thoughtful of that. Uh so while this is version seven, probably the next one will be version 30 that gets in front of you guys. Um but we think we're moving in the right direction. uh very appreciative of the relationship with the village u as we talk about zoning code and trying to understand that it is very different. We often point to Mount Pleasant when we talk to a lot of different municipalities about u what really good zoning code should or shouldn't allow and I think u I think you guys are doing a great job of it and you we're having success on our Pike River crossing just down the road. Um, and a lot of it is attributable to being able to make it work economically and then uh and have a great product at the end of the day that everybody's proud of. So, we're excited to uh sink our teeth into this one. You know, we know zoning is just the first step. There'll be another uh four meetings minimum back in front of this body and others uh for us to uh you know, continue to uh refine it. So, happy to answer any questions you might have. Any questions? High level. Thanks, Osar. Thanks, guys. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? If not, then we'll go to uh public comment. Tony Martino. Tony Martino, 67 time brawn, Mount

Pleasant. Um, thanks for having me. There were quite a few things that were were covered already, but one question to start with and what is the current zoning of the development that bear is doing right now on South Green Bay there? Where's Ron? Is that RL or is that it's RM2, which would be um the the designation above this one. So whereas our RM1 only allows up to six unit buildings, RM2 allows up to 20 unit buildings, um but it maintains the same height limit um that our one of two family districts use which is 35 ft. So uh for an example of RL2 zoning um to Tvoli green or some of it portions of it are as well as the fiduciary development and so on and so forth. So, um, this would be requesting a zoning under that classification. Okay. Thank you for that. Um, want to thank the builders for meeting with me and several of the neighbors at my house. Um, it was a very productive meeting on Monday. Um, I think a lot was garnered. I think a lot more understanding happened. um would definitely encourage the village to um ask other builders when they try to come into our community to kind of facilitate that. Um I think you guys did an exemplary job. Um and like members of the board, I think you have a lot more of what the village is looking for and what the community is looking for and I think you kind of share a vision with us. Um you know, in that meeting, you know, it was the typical concerns that others have shared. you know, we're looking at what could eventually be five parcels that become developed that will all access both Biscane and Brawn. Um, so I know we're only here trying to approve their plan, but part of that is

looking at the entirety of the comprehensive plan and what could come behind it. Um, it can create an extreme amount of density, especially onto Brun Road has been mentioned. um creation of lights and and you know the Pike River crossing goes there, you know, there's a 45 mile per hour speed limit. That's definitely a safety concern. The more people that are going to be using that pathway to cross, um that will need some type of traffic control device, you know, for the safety of people. Um so I just want to make sure that as these zoning ordinances are going forward, one village occur encourages people to do it like bear did. Um it didn't take a lot of time. It was very productive. Um, in fact, didn't cost him anything either. Um, but the, um, I don't want to get off topic here. The concerns out of the community is that this is, um, you know, the first building block of that stretch of properties between what is the Pike River and Green Bay Road. Um, and if we go too big, then all the others can be big as well. Um, as people have noted, the one that got um, postponed on Monday was extremely larger than this. I think it was two or three times the amount on the same amount of property. Um, so the concern of the people seems to be what a normal concern would be, you know, safety, property values. Um, but most of all, what's going to happen with Biscane and what's going to happen with Brawn and how do we keep that in general? Um it's almost as though the community would like to see if that's going to get reszoned that we almost as a village put a cap and an amendment into the comprehensive plan that none of those can go larger than a certain um certain zoning, right? If if we decide that RL1 RN is the way to go, you know, with the future that's coming up on the 23rd, that that it'll happen. Um, but if this becomes our end, is that do we then

cap and say, "Listen, that's the biggest we want to see in this area because of what it's going to do to the neighborhood with putting traffic onto Brun, putting traffic onto Biscane." Um, there are a couple other, you know, roads in those plans. Um, but, you know, Biscane Oaks and Brawn will heavy the hairy heavy load on that. Um, so I'd like to see that just be part of the conversation as things are moving forward with the plan commission and with the village. um that we look at limiting what can happen in those developments. You know, the possibility of, you know, ending development in the area realistically won't happen. Um but responsible um expansion and building in that area is is what needs to happen. Um and I think that that wouldn't meet with the extreme push back that some other things have met with in the community. Um, I think if we just do a little more planning ahead of time, things can go smoother in the long run. Um, but again, you know, as far as this, I don't necessarily know if I'm on board with RM1. I'd prefer to see low density single family homes across all of that area. Um, you know, I I believe that, you know, the people that met with on Monday would also feel that way. Um, but, you know, just please keep that in mind as you're going forward and taking this vote. Thank you for the time. Thank you, Tony. And I think you've heard that several of the commissioners have have addressed what you're talking about. So, very happy. Yeah. Right. Any other comments or questions, Mr. Chairman? Yes. Uh not to do with this, but uh but I do have a question for uh Robin just out of curiosity. Uh Robin, you mentioned uh the Sunny Slow. What zoning is in that? Because the reason is that I love that the neighborhood if you look at the the

pheasant creek you know which you built you know there are houses probably around a million dollars or maybe three quarters of a million dollars right next to the green space and then on the same street just maybe uh 100 yard 200 yards away there are a regular the single family home and then you walk another maybe couple of hundred yard and there are condos. So I like that kind of so so I'm just curious what zoning is that and if that can be replicated anywhere else because I love that plan I have never heard anyone in that the neighborhood from the condos to about a million dollar home to saying that oh I am living next to a condo everyone is extremely happy so I'm just curious as a planned unit development that was done as a planned unit development under the old code old so I'm RN today. It would be the RN today or the RM1 if you were to and that does have a roundabout and it has it does have some undulating curves to it. Yeah. Yeah. So that is I mean I love to talk about that all day but that is an example of basically different housing unit types living together peacefully up and down Sunny Slope. You have uh commercial C2 and C3. You have RM2 um which is our our moderate density residential. You have RL1 D in the middle. Um and then you also have RM2 units up on the top with those condos. Um then you have the Aurora Clinic and then you go up into there is several that are RM1 which is those condos on the north side of Spring Street. Um and then RL1 pretty much from then on north. But you do get a lot of variety in housing types even within

those. Uh you have duplexes, forplexes, um eightplexes as well as a lot of single family. Um the the other thing is yes, it does have a mini roundabout in the middle of it, which is an early example. would be designed different today, but an an example of how you can put those kind of things at intersections in residential neighborhoods to slow down traffic. So, I think it's really great that you mentioned Sunny Slope. Thanks. Thank you. Okay, there's no more discussion. Looking for a motion on the zoning map amendment. Chairman Davis, I driver, I will make a motion to approve uh forward to the village board um with a positive recommendation 5714 Brown Road zoning map amendment ZMA 25506. Second motion, a second. Any further discussion? Any further public comment? And hearing none, I'll call a question. All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. And then this does go to the village board. Okay. Thank you all. Next on the agenda. George, you're up. Afternoon. Um, we've got two round. Where'd the clicker go? Are you taking care of it? Two uh memorial bench uh or table uh donation applications. As um you guys are aware, this is part of uh the adoption that we had for this policy

that these come to um plan commission. So, uh we haven't had one in a while. Uh the first one is a picnic table. Uh we've got one picnic table already out on uh what we call phase one of the Pike River pathway. So um they like the idea of of having one. They can have a little bit longer inscription which is included. You can see why it doesn't fit the character uh limits on the first page. Um we discussed with the applicant um for one of Joe's recommendations that we would do an ADA u accessible table um out for that. So, uh, it wouldn't connect into the existing pathway, uh, in all likelihood with a new pad. Um, so the applicant has five choices that we're going to kind of walk out on the path and kind of pick one that we feel is best suited just in proximity to the already existing one and which makes sense. So, um, they're pretty uh, flexible with that. So, um I didn't attach all five um pictures, but um part of them are going to be located either near an existing bench that's already there, existing tree or something that would provide some shade for somebody who's just um stopping and taking a break. So, um I would one comment real quickly. Um make sure that we push the table further off of the pathway though. The other one's a little bit tight. Yeah. So that yeah the uh the prox we did a common pad for because that's the first one that we had done with that um dimension of of a table. So yeah, we'll have to extend it at least a couple extra feet to allow uh per Joe's uh comments there. So yeah, I think we typically do 8 by 6 by eight. So we may need to go to 8 by 10 just to to provide the adequate amount of space which we do have available in all the locations that they they uh suggested. So, um, for ease of motions, I'll just move on to the

next one because then we can probably lump them together since you guys are opposed to that. But real quickly, is that going to be a plaque on there? Is that how Yes. Yes, it would be a plaque on the on the the actual table itself. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Yeah. So, uh, we would still keep the same color scheme as as we did with the other one. We do a brown uh or a cedar with a black frame. And so, we would keep that same recycled plastic material. So we have that continuity with the rest of our benches. Can I can you just clarify? Are they donating one bench or five? No, they are donating one. They just put in I I tell people to give me multiple locations just in case. That's why you have the Okay. So the pictures are of Okay. I was confused. Sorry. I mean it would be nice if they wanted to donate five. Yeah, of course we would take them. I think it's wonderful to begin with. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. So, um, yeah, every from what we've run into, especially in this part of the of the Pike, is that we've we don't want to get turned into a memorial walk. Um, and we voted a few couple years ago about we weren't going to add any additional ones based on the proximity of of all of them. They're all originally were about 8 to 800 to,000 feet apart, except for there was one that was in prior to to my coming on that I think was within like 300 feet. I didn't you can walk 300 feet without having to stop at a at a bench. So, we just want to make sure that we kind of keep that in mind with all the plans. So, um and for the second bench, this is an existing bench. Um this would be on a different part of the Pike River pathway. Um so, um there's no we have a couple of open pads that we're discussing with them. Uh, so we're still finalizing the the actual location which we can bring back to the next beam, but we wanted to get the ball rolling because these things take a while for production. I think the last ones we just ordered 8 to 10 weeks so for delivery. So we're looking for the

approval on the inscription for this particular bench with subject to staff approval for the location. So, um, no issues on us from any of the, um, the inscriptions or anything. So, um, they're all very common with some of the other ones that we actually have out there as well. So, questions, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the two requests for both a a park bench as well as a picnic table and with the uh sites to be chosen by uh the park uh commission. Motion a second. Any further discussion? I just think it's really sweet of the families and it just goes to show we talk about the Pike River Pathway a lot and it just goes to show the impact it has on our residents and their families. Yep. So motion second. No further discussion. Any public comment on this hearing? None. All right. I'll call a question. All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Thank you, George. But I think you're still up. Yeah, I am. All right. So, um, each quarter, uh, I come and do a report. So, um, this is much briefer than our end of the year comprehensive report. So, um, this is basically covering April 1 through June 30th. So, some of the stuff that I'll speak on hasn't actually happened yet, but just want to make note. So, um, as you can see, our park permit or picnic permits have increased. U, I should note that when we say picnic permits, it's how we kind of run our report. So it does include like all rentals kind of in general. So uh it's adding in some of our ball field rentals, pickle ball courts, just we've been uh expanding the amount of uh rentals that we've taken in from outside groups once we've done programming our own uh events and programs. So uh you can see uh that

sorry typo. It should be 2025. That's what the facility breakdown was this past spring. So, we started uh a lot more reservations out at the Smolinsky ball field, our softball diamonds. We took advantage of May being able to use Campus Park. We had a lot of reservations before our season got started the first week of June. Um we uh implemented the new splash pad um option for reservations. So, what we did was we limited it to 10:00 a.m. to 1 uh when it first opens um as their exclusive time to use it. So we consider it like a splash pad party. So um for June, I think each Saturday and Sunday were booked uh for this month and we're filling up for the rest of the summer as well. So uh a few questions on that from from people who actually do it. But once I explained to that we we don't have a ton of shade yet. We want to leave the shelter for everybody else after 1:00 to still be able to use it. I said you can still stay in the park, but you just move your stuff to a singular table. they can get their invites out and people can get picked up at once. So, it's actually worked out uh pretty well thus far. Uh so, it was kind of a everybody who wanted to have it all day, us who we didn't permit before, we kind of found this hybrid uh scenario that kind of works for everybody. So, uh we did use that new ordinance uh policy that we had last when we when we updated them to deem it as non-exclusive. So by ordinance if if it is not permitted that particular shelter um located by the splash pad cannot be exclusively used by anybody and theoretically our PD could come in and ticket and break up any party that is monopolizing that public space. So we implemented that at that particular shelter and over by the pickle ball courts. So cuz what my staff and what I have realized was when we would come in they would monopolize

trash the party and we never had anybody to even uh you know put the take the security deposit from because they trashed it. Uh so and this will help keep down on some of the bees and some other things if we are regulating it a little bit more. So um so some of the special events that we did this uh past spring uh we had our first Arbor Day walk. Uh the weather was awful. Um it was very cold but we left up the signs and everything all weekend for people who wanted to participate. So uh we were able to then take the trees that or seedlings that were provided by the DNR and um Thompson and Associates who uh manages the wetlands and Piper Pathway planted a whole bunch of all the or took the whole remaining box of seedlings that we've got and planted along the Pike River pathway. So u some swamp oaks in case anybody's curious. Uh we just had Relay for Life back. Um um we have the upcoming Arway Summer Beer Garden at Smolinsky. Last night was the first Sounds at Sunset concert and then we've got the Bluegrass Festival coming up this Saturday. So that kind of takes us through June. Uh not included in the report is we just started our summer playgrounds program this week. Softball and T-ball started last week. We've got our stand volleyball and kickball coming up. So that's from the recreation side of what we are doing here. We'll report on those numbers at the end of the summer. I can say that those that the brief looking that Britney and I did were up. So, we're happy to see that our participation with campus park and everything is increasing um uh for all the new sites that we did add. So, um except when unfortunately when it rains like this today, sometimes you do have to cancel. So, um, that kind of covers the spring report. Before I jump into the neighborhood park plan update, anybody

have any questions? No questions. Move on. All right. Um, neighborhood park plan update. Rob, Nancy, thank you for both for coming for the public input meeting that we had. Uh I attended the cow meeting in was that May where village board recommended that we do one more public input meeting. Uh ended up being incredibly well attended. Um for future use yard signs are very effective. Um they drew a significant amount of attention leading up to it as well as the crowd that came through. Um, here I've got four pages front and back of comments that we received uh just from post-it notes and and whatnot with over 50% being related just to Fezant Creek Park. So, that was where we saw the I'll I'll touch on that a little bit later, but that was where the most amount of feedback was. Uh in relations to the plans that you saw from MSA with Derky Dro and um James Turk overwhelmingly positive. A couple of changes here or there or recommendations that the public had asked. Um we had like future plans for basketball and volleyball at James Turk just out kind of outlined. They're hesitant on that. We just explained that that's part of the open space part of the open space plan recommendations not happening in the next phase for whatever would happen at that park. Um so that kind of eased their mind that it's doesn't mean it's set in stone. It's just something we wanted to outline. The other thing would is related to that was kind of shifting the playground back to kind of where it is now in the park where we had it a little bit closer to the east side where it was easier to get into from Baroque. Um, we understand that the concerns of having it so close to some of those homes made sense. So, a fairly easy shift on ours, it wouldn't change too

much. We're talking about a couple extra hundred feet that we could, you know, appease some neighbors but also still get the amenities that we want in that particular park. Um, Dro was very positive. They like that we kept all the open space, the the fact that we were um paving things to to make it more accessible. Um, same thing for Derxy. They just wanted to see upgrading those uh uh play features. Um there was some some of the they used their opportunity to uh weigh in on like Derk Seed Dro and James Turk by saying spend the money at campus park instead or I don't want to see my taxes increased. You know th those are going to be your common how are we paying for that? So it's it gives us as staff um you know the information to go back so that we can be better prepared to explain to to the public exactly how this stuff would be funded. You know we explained that new could be impact fee eligible and so it was a education s seminar as well for a lot of the uh the public that came out and we also tried to explain that the process that these are these are just plans. Um obviously village board could decide to adopt none. One, two, three, four, you know that you guys kind of in your court based on staff recommendations, public input. What would we decide to put forward for formal adoption and then and explain the process that we need to then go to construction documents and village board approval for the the construction and you know RFPs and everything. So they I think everybody saw it and thought like next year this is happening all four parks or or so there was a little bit of that confusion. So something that I can work with Shawn on going forward on on our messaging just to inform the public of kind of the the true process of how all of this works whether it's this the comp bike plan you know or strategic plan. I think everybody still just has a

trouble understanding the true process whether they need a how-to YouTube video to watch on village operations or take the classes that you guys go through for uh you know it's so again it was a very very productive exercise overall when we specifically tied back into pheasant creek that's where uh I mean we had I think 13 out of 15 surrounding neighbors of that park in attendance. Um sharing I would say overall their displeasure with anything happening out there. Um the it ranged from you know nature prairie shouldn't belong in this park even though that's what it used to be to you know you don't take care of the storm water pond. Um I don't want people walking past my house. When we were when we built this home we were told nothing would ever happen out here. So, some other things that I'm digging into to see if there is any thing in writing that can back up anything that these people said. I offered a secondary option for those who'd like to meet uh at another time from your neighborhood to to go over this and just kind of pepper me with questions. Um, so yeah, I think we ended up staying about 15 minutes past the time we did just kind of making sure everybody was heard and um and going through all all the feedback. So, um, 14 of the people who attended, they said, "I don't want the park to change at all. Keep it the way it is." And there's another five or six similar comments that fall in that line, whether they were the same person writing the same thing on a post-it note or not. They tried to weed through um MSA did to to kind of filter out some of some of the things. So, but so we're going to go I guess the process right now is we're taking all the the feedback that we received and then we are going to work with MSA. Uh I think

there was concerns about having a playground at Fezant Creek. Um there's we're trying to see if there's some sort of common ground of ADA accessibility for that park. you know, getting people off the street, as we've talked about in the past, uh, while also making the neighbors feel, you know, safe. Um, they are concerned that having a picnic shelter there is going to be, as they, uh, wrote, squatters coming and and staying and tried to explain to them, it's like two picnic tables. You can't really have much of a there. It's for you guys to enjoy if you want to just come out into the park and, you know, watch the kids play in the open field. So it really we didn't do a whole lot as you saw from those designs. We really were trying to make it a little bit easier to access. And so um you know some other comments about their home values are going to decrease. Well I can pull five to six articles of the opposite from National Park and Recre and stuff association. So, you know, it's kind of your common common themes and you I'm sure Nancy and Rob will probably speak to what they heard as well at at the impact, but I tried to summarize it for everybody as best I as best I can. So, I I'd say we're a little bit back to the drawing board on Pheasant Creek just based on that, you know, public input. It's just to to make sure that we are on the right wavelength and whether we table this one or we push through is is undecided I would say as of right now as we continue these discussions and then kind of just like where we are with the schedule. Our plan is to work with MSA on fine-tuning all four parks uh going back to cow in July. Uh I think the 14th is the uh the planned meeting to have further the discussions with the village board, take back your input and then come back at

late July for uh adoption um uh or proposed adoption of the master plans because that will then time well with our budgeting for 26 um and we can kind of get the ball rolling on whether or not anything will take place. So um yeah, so that's kind of where the update is at this point. be happy to answer any questions. Josh, uh, as you mentioned at the, uh, at the public, uh, the feedback event, most of the comments were from, uh, Feeasant Creek uh, park. Nancy and I, we talked to many residents. They all were against that. Subsequently to that, as I mentioned earlier about Sunny Slope, so I like that area. I go there very often. So I wanted to go and see because everyone we talked to and they said we love our green space. Mhm. So I went over there, I parked my car, I walked around and many of the neighbors were walking everywhere I talked to. There's not even one person who wants to do anything with that green space. They keep on saying is leave it alone. There's no need for the village to spend even a dollar on that. And everyone's feedback 100% was we love the space. If you want to take a stroll, we just go there. There's no need to build any pavement or or or anything like that. If you have the money, put it on the campus bar. Put more pickle ball courts or whatever by the point is one particular neighbor. Okay. Anyway, based on may you an email before and I looked around that I parked my car. I walked around and I said, you know, yes, that green space the way it is, it fits perfect in that location, I don't see a need for a park type, you know, thing.

So my hope would be recommendation would be based on the feedback from the residents and my own discussion with the residents and the observation, we should not do anything with that part. Mhm. That's just my Sure. Yeah. Well, I'd like to make a comment in regards to that because those people you're talking with live adjacent to the park, period. The uh what we looked at when we started the other access, there's a lot of homes there that don't have access because there's no given pathway, if you will, in there. So, when you talk about a neighborhood park, it's not just those people who live adjacent, it's the greater area around it, and they have no other place to go. So off of Lindsay and all the other ones that come off a Sunny Slope if there's something there for them to go and do a pass it be it a you know it's mostly a nature park anyway. We're not you know looking at doing a you know full-blown basketball courts and things like that but it it gives the people from the outside of those homes that got built on there and we're maintaining their backyards for them is what we're doing. Well, I I guess I would disagree with that because and and based on comments, photos that were given to us and receipts that were being offered to us, there are neighbors along there that are maintaining our park. They're spraying it for weeds. They're mowing it. Well, they should be doing that because that's We should be doing it. No, man. No. My point is in that neighborhood, I think, you know, this takes us back again to the 80s when Orth developed Feeasant Creek. The code at the time was where you either you made a a land dedication for green space within your community. It had no rules behind it. It had no code behind it. It didn't say you had to do

anything with it. And in this case it has a storm water management pond. So that that particular park has a storm water management pond. So what has happened is simply by virtue of that pond the village has had to take care of it. There was no the HOA was only for architectural control. They never set up a pond management type of HOA. You're right in that a lot of the people that were there saying not in my backyard were those abuing property owners who pay spring green every year to come in and keep the dandelions out of their yard. They view prairie grass as a weed whether you like it or not. That's how they perceive it because they mow their yards and they keep them very nicely maintained. There were other people there from the community that had the same feeling. this is our neighborhood. This was told to us and and I couldn't believe how many of the people that came were original owners. That's another thing and they're very happy there and they're not going anywhere. So, I think we do have to be careful as a board as to what we really want to do and spend money on in that community. Certainly, it should have the correct access. The other thing I suggested to them because we never really, it's only in our park plan because it exists. It was never really designed to be a public park. And I in my mind I looked at at those people and I said, "Hey, you've got a storm water management pond here. If you can reform an association that will maintain that pond and you can get our engineering staff to agree to a maintenance agreement, we'll be happy to give you the green space. Do with it what you want, but you've got to have an HOA to maintain the pond." So, I think there's some things they're going to look at as well because in my mind, I agree with Ron. That is the last park that I want

to touch other than to make sure that they can get in. There are two accesses there from the public road. Um, and I think that, you know, those accesses if if we are going to keep it, um, you know, should be clear and noted and accessible for everybody in the community to get to. Joe, I'm sorry to cut you off. No, that's But it it was very interesting to hear what the immediate people said as well as those around it. And um it is kind of one of those situations where because of the way it was it was created as a subdivision under today's rules, it would be privately owned by each individual homeowner, would have a percentage interest in it, and we wouldn't even be talking about it. Well, again, it was it was done in in lie of impact fees. That's how that got put through. So, it is a park. It always has been a park. Designated as a as parkland. Whether we maintained it well at the time is another subject, but it is parkland. It always has been. Yeah. I can I jump in for a moment? So, to to speak a little bit to what Joe said, like if you look at the parcel on Bald Eagle that is one of the park entrances, that was clearly an error by the developer. that would have been another lot. It was whatever happened, it got shrunk. So that park entrance probably would have never been at at that end of the park, but so we end up taking it. So, you know, I started with the the criticism and I said what 14 people said they want to leave it the same. Six people. I like the paved walking path and access around the park. I like the overall design that it was minimally invasive. I would like to have two distinct entrances for walking purposes. So that it is not it is not singularly just as to what Joe said the people surrounding the the are they the most passionate the loudest. Yeah. I

purposely brought the neighborhood park plan map to show that circle of who is impacted in proximity to that park. So when they go around and sewer pack picks our proposed site like we were just talking about for uh that other development they look at what is going to make sense of an underserved area. So Feeasant Creek serves all the way west of Sunny Slope all the way east you know to uh to Newman that is it's our only neighborhood park that does not have a single play feature in it. You know it is their designation of of us not taking care of it. We adopted a turf management policy that talks about the weed suppression, the mowing, whether that's what they want or not, they have every opportunity to come in and ask us to change that. So, if they want that park to be treated, then we can bring it to the board and we can say 5% weed suppression and yes, we would treat it more, but we don't. We like to keep things to be a little bit natural. whether they choose to extend and add more weed treatment out that's coming out. Somebody planted a crab apple tree on that thinking that it's their property like there's they are acting as if treating it like their own. They are definitely treating but it is it is public park space and again this is not an argument for or against. I'm just stating the facts of where we are at. We inherited a parcel that I would not recommend inheriting that this was a new development, but but we have it. It's no different, frankly, than the James Turk parcel. It's the same same type of parcel that was added in as part of one of these impact in lie of impact fees that has two entrances just like this one has a third if we use the cold stack. That one already has swings and a playground. So, either there was voices at the time that we were afraid to put something. It's very shocking that no play features were put in at the beginning. Not to say that we have to do that now. Again, it's

based on the public input, based on how you guys feel. It's not my call. I'm just laying out that we have outside groups who come in and review that space and say a sand volleyball court would make sense there out, you know, and we didn't put any of that in there. We simply tried to make the park more accessible. Yeah. I was very um surprised by the Turk Park neighbors because Turk Park originally was going to have a parking lot when Providence was going to go through and now it won't and it already has a lot of people that visit it from Regency Hills and and the surrounding neighborhood and they love the park and they want it to be a park. I mean, I was and they don't mind the cars parking on the street. They, you know, we talked about there's not going to be a parking lot. What, you know, and and they're like, well, cars already park here when they come up from inside Regency Hills to play in the park and we don't mind. So, I thought it was interesting from one neighborhood to another the kind of the change in their feelings and and one was very welcoming and sure, put more stuff in it and the other was like stay out of our park. So just a very interesting change because there's no reason that like to lack a better term Fezen Creek couldn't just be James Turk North, right? It's it's essentially the same type of park. It's walking past small play feature for the neighborhood. And if you said it's one of those things too, right? Field dreams, you build it, they will come. Perhaps the reason that nobody is there is because there is nothing at the park. you know, when you're talking about that why they they they don't want squatters coming in and all this stuff because there there's nothing there's nothing there and we're not really putting much there in these designs. Again, I'm okay. I'm indifferent either either direction. Like I understand neighborhood I told you guys very strongly my opinion on AD

accessibility for all parks. So that's a hill I'm willing to die on. I think everybody should be able to access one of our parks, you know, in Mount Pleasant, but that's adminally I think that there there should be at least again maybe this is just an exercise and we revisit in five years. I the the home value like neighborhoods turn over if if there is a park in somebody's backyard like that may be a drawing attraction for resale. I would think it would be. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's not get too deep into the chairman, you know, or further. It's a good discussion and obviously, you know, it will come to the planning commission and the board and and we will will decide. But what I want to add that is like Nancy said just because it our park plan is listed as a plan is shown as as a park no one in that whole area whether it's a sunny slope or of the Emerson road no one's is anxious to saying it dwell the bar we want to come here no one has a need for that is being so if we focus us on that we are forcing the issue. It's not only the houses which we which live around there. As I said, you know, I I happened to be there and I I talked to the other people and I said, "Do you live around?" No, we don't live here, but but they live in that Sunny Slope area and maybe of Emerson. And they all said we don't have a need. We we love it the way it is. So don't spend the taxpayer money. That's the message I got from there. So I will leave it there for now. Yeah. I mean again the most productive part is that it was a very good exercise on how we can continue to do these types of things in the future. There was also feedback regarding uh the 8 and 1 half by 11 uh flyer that was put in the tax bill. They said that that was not good enough.

People told me I needed to knock on doors uh and tell everybody about the public meetings. We thought it was a very effective way to send it to every single taxpayer and costefficient. Um it's on the back of the recycling calendar. We thought everybody would take a look, but um so there was that we're a paperless society now, George. So people throw away their calendars. Yeah. They go to the website and they look at the you know it's they have to take on some responsibility if they want to have things their way. So they put it in the one document they have to open. Right. Exactly. So uh I could say it's about this long. Yeah. So again, if if anything, we've learned a couple ways about how we can go about at least from from how we do it in the parks department. So again, it's a great exercise and you know whether or not whatever comes to fruition, I think three out of four is not bad, you know. But uh yeah, so I think overall I you know as I it still was a very productive meeting and I think we are seeing the finish line at least for for three out of the four and if we have to go back to the drawing table at least we have a starting point now with pheasant creek that we can always revisit. So perfect. That's the meaning for re meetings. Yeah, exactly. Thank you George. Thank you Robin, is it adjournment time? Uh, no, not quite. I apologize. The print gets real small. Um so uh I am doing our our semianual uh update and uh I was going to try I recently got

uh like a QGIS I was going to like try to incorporate it into mapping so you I could locate all of that all of those lists on a map for y'all next time. Um, but I would Oh, and to to Tosh, I I think uh putting public notices on on uh grocery store receipts is a genius idea. Uh we need to file that away. You just like public notice on the bottom of your CVS receipt. I think uh I'm all about it. So, um okay, so we'll start off uh big picture. Um these are housing unit units added by type. Um generally we are on track. Um I did not pick these colors. I picked different colors and they changed. Okay. But the green is one unit single family houses. Um blue is duplex and then you have four to eight unit buildings and then unit buildings that have over 20 units. Um, so the bulk of our housing added was in buildings over 20 units between 2020 and 2024. Um, but even still, this might look like I probably needed to drag it up, but this may look like a lot, but in 2005 and 2004, we were over 500 units, new units added to the village. So that was a much smaller village back then, and we were adding more housing. So, um, looking up. I mean, we're obviously, uh, building most of the the new housing in the county. Um, switching over to, uh, permits year-over-year. Um, these are the defense permits, signed permits, zoning compliance. Um, at the top, and that's just a comparison of

we implemented open gov at the end of 2022. Um, and we started taking fence permits in 2023. Um, no really nothing really to pull from that. Um, they're just you get es and flows. Uh, these are our permits so far in 2025 and the amount collected. um a lot of fence permits and uh I will say of those 55, probably 53 of those I had to send back first to get a better uh map of of the fence location because well that's what fence permits are for. Um, and I'm glad you're doing that because we get complaints, you know, when people's fences are in the wrong spot and it's, you know, because it's tricky with fences. Yeah. I And the the fence companies hate me. Uh, absolutely. Um, I've sent lots of them back and and but then the one time when we had a property dispute about a fence, I was like, "Well, you like me now because I made you submit something that you could stick to and you're not at fault." So, like, you know, that's why we do it. Otherwise, what's the point? I We're not We're not existing just to collect $50 from a fence company. it so that we have documentation when it comes to these neighbor disputes which all the time end up at our doorstep. It's not our business but it sometimes always becomes our business. So um and the other option for fence permits other localities uh will mandate a new survey for fence. uh we think that's cruel and unusual and if you can get the if you can get the information across then by all means um

but that is the that next step. Um zoning compliance permit is the catchall between from chickens to sheds to um uh work live work businesses. Um, we're actually probably going to separate that out um into different categories because that's what the new system likes a little bit more. Um, as well as we're going to roll in probably the zoning compliance fee into other applications so that it's sort of wrapped in um and our fee gets consistently added like if we're reviewing projects. Um this is essenti definitely because we helpful when we outsource things. Um we typically don't sign permits pretty low generally this year but um there hasn't been a whole lot of activity in in that one. Um these are are what is labeled as our PZE processes. Um that stands for um planning zoning engineering. Uh I think there's another E. It's also enforcement would be under this tab, but you know is what it is. Um the this is basically all the things that have crossed y'all's desk this year. Um with the exception of some of these are staff approved. Um so zoning map amendments, zoning request letters are just that they're requesting like a signed certified thing saying this is what the zoning classification is. Um, typically you would think that that was an open records request, but what happens is that third third party companies will kind of mine this information and then we charge them 70 bucks and then they charge somebody else 500 bucks for publicly available information. So that's just how it works

sometimes. Um, and we've had three zoning variances. Um, all of them have been approved. Um and well and we have an additional one that hasn't been heard yet and unfortunately we'll have to move that additional month. It's for Leo um because of we're not going to be able to get quorum tonight for that. However, Sam and I are looking at the issues that are coming up often. Um one of which is parking uh parking lots. So, we have a regulation about the aisle width and parking lot space length. Um, that seems a little bit more strict than than the other parts of the code. Um, and it's hit a couple of developers and they've asked for variances for them and they've been granted. So, uh, we'll take that L and adjust that so we have a little bit more flexibility in allowing developers to have parking lots that could be a little bit bigger or wider depending on their clientele. Um, I mean, if you're at Menard's, there's going to be a lot of trucks park in there, so maybe you want your spaces to be a little bit bigger. Uh, municipal complaints are our favorite. Um, you know, always continuing. Um, there's sort of like the brief violation description there on the right. Um, you probably get a sense of it. uh as we have gotten some rooster complaints um which is probably a uh a result of having allowing chickens and hens. But I mean I probably shouldn't know this, but you can't tell if a chicken is a is a hen or a rooster until they're a little bit older. Like when you get when you buy them as chicks, you don't know which one is which. Uh, so I had

somebody ask me um how to dispose of a a rooster if they wanted to. And I was like, "Nuggets?" But we're looking for um Yeah. It's hard to tell the difference when they're chicks. Yeah. Yeah. They got to grow up and start crowing and get their little thing on their head and Yeah. But we can't we we specifically don't allow animal slaughter. So you're not allowed to like, you know, eat your rooster. So, all right. Those are those most of them are um trash complaints, uh blighted properties. We are um I know this has been an ongoing thing, but there's two items as far as ministical complaints to say. We are in the process of hiring a code enforcement officer which will allow us to proactively enforce the code at a schedule greater than what mine allows. Um and uh so we can move away from a complaint based system um to so that we don't have to deal with that as much. Um and the other thing was what was the other thing? Something about co whatever um all of this is grass. Hence the true u all of this is just grass complaints. So this is the season. Oh, the other thing about municipal complaints is that we are taking some of the more serious ones to court and um those actions are uh about to start. That was in front of the village board like two years ago. And that's it. Any questions of me? Yes. No, I got a couple of comments. Number one on your PE process. I see a name that I haven't uh seen that in probably 20 25 years. Heritage Bank and Trust. I thought they changed their

name. Heritage Bank and Trust. I used to be here in 80s. Anyway, it's just comment. Oh, that's that's that's county land records for you. Uh and my other comment is on the complaint. We have all these complaint but there's a one house which is right on the corner of uh spring and airline road and that look that looked like a burn about like 50 years ago and it's still standing and and no one complains about that on the norththeast corner. Yeah. I sent them a letter. Uh we had a complaint on airline about a a busted up garage and the complaintant also had a busted up barn and then two doors down there was another busted up barn. That's an I saw. Absolutely. In the spirit of fairness, they all got violations and citations and two of two of them have been taken down so far. So, it looks like it. Um, it's gone, isn't it? But always always good to to keep the eyes and ears out. And for when when you get abandoned structures and falling apart and whatnot, those those tend to go downhill really quickly. So, we got to address those quickly. Maybe is it is there because you is issue them a citation and they bring some money. Oh, that's an ISO. Yeah. You never want to make money off those things because they grow to depend on it and you're like, I want violations so we can make more money. It's like, no. But isn't there anything the village can do, you know, to to to force them? Complicated. Uh, but not at the municipal court level. You have to take it up to circuit court and circuit court will have to give an order for abatement which means you can go on the property. There is the building department with some other steps can issue raise orders but you have to declare like a building unsafe or unfit

for human habitation so on and so forth. They al and they also get six months to to cure it to fix it but um those are the limitations. So just my comments. Yeah. Thank you. It's very very uh expensive to fix other people's properties uh problems for them. It is unless you're just mowing their grass, which apparently is a lot easier to accomplish than anything else. We do that all the time. All right. Thank you, Robin. Thank you. All right. Some of these items will be on uh for the zoning public hearing on Monday night um at no earlier than 6 pm. Um as long as as as well as some of the ones that have been postponed. Some of them also went to July's meeting. So uh just keeping keep in mind for those. Uh and the next meeting for us is July 19th. No, July 23rd, which is one of the latest dates we can have. Thank you very much. Thank you, Robin. You have a motion. Motion to second. Motion to second. All in favor? I opposed. We are adjourned. Thank you, commissioners and staff.