Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Okay, folks. Welcome tonight to the Town of Mount Pleasant Planning Board meeting regularly scheduled for April 2nd, 2026, 7:30 p.m. First up, business items, minutes from the 3:16 2026 planning board meeting. Any questions or comments on the minutes that were disseminated to the board earlier? With prevailing sentiment of no comment. Any any motion? I'll make a motion to accept the minutes from 3:16. Motion from Jane. Second. Second from Eileen. Walter I. Jean I. Eileen I. Steve I.

And I from me. Okay. First up, we have a continuing public hearing. So, what that means is we've already had a public hearing on it before and we're continuing that conversation tonight. So, first up is number one, proposed 95 Braders Blightdale Children's Hospital, three-phase improvement plan, including expansion for long-term care park and deck and improvements to site utilities and infrastructure. Application site plan SP25-02. Location 95 Bradst Avenue, Vala, New York. Section block lot number is 117.17-1-2 zone R20 owner and applicant Blight Children's Hospital engineer and architect Langan Kier's E4 architecture like to come up

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good evening back up a little bit evening chairman and members of the Um, I know it's April, but happy new year. Um, for the record, my name is Janet Garris. I'm a partner with Delbello Denell and wearten Wise and Whitaker here this evening on behalf of Bleedale Ch Children's Hospital. As you know, this is an application that was filed a little bit over a year ago. Um, we've been before you now a number of times and u, Mr. chairman in October when we were last here. I think you advised us not to come back until we had addressed the comments of your town engineer uh and town consultants. So, we have spent the last several months working with the town engineer, working with NISDOT, um working with um your professional staff to address outstanding comments of the board. Um, so I just would like to take a few moments um, since it has been a little while since we've been here to just refresh your recollection. I think you're all familiar with Bldale located at 95 Bradhurst Avenue. um you know they provide care for our most vulnerable population and as we've expressed to you in the past there's great demand for additional hospital beds uh like the kind that Blightell provides in the state of New York it's unfortunate but it is a reality um so what we're doing is uh seeking to expand operations to provide much neededed beds at the property um and just to give you a recap AP as I started to a little bit earlier. We submitted a little bit uh over a year ago in March 25. We appeared before you I think it was April, June, July, October. Um the board retained an independent traffic consultant to review

the traffic report and studies that we provided. We responded to those comments. Your town engineer also raised some comments uh with regard to traffic and we've worked with him on that as well. Um, we responded to those traffic comments July 11, August 12th, uh, September 19th, and then since then, um, most recently March 2nd when we responded to your town engineer. We've also worked with uh, Greenberg Water and Sewer. That review has been completed. Um, your fire department and EMS review has been completed. and once again last before the board in October. So, um you want to flip to the next slide. So, just a little bit about um the project and the property. Again, it's a 12.9 acre parcel. We're seeking site plan approval from the board to permit improvements at the property in three different phases. The first phase would be a one-story parking structure containing 132 spaces. The second phase would be an emergency access ring road around the existing hospital building together with related infrastructure. And then the third phase, which would come later, would be that two-story addition to the existing hospital building uh on the south side of the building to accommodate 44 additional long-term care beds. So, uh, since we met with the planning board on October 20th, uh, as I mentioned, we've worked with your town engineer to respond to his comments. Um, today we received a short memo. He raised one additional comment in that memo but referred specifically to the Department of Transportation who we have been working with and his concern that was raised in that letter um has been addressed and will be addressed as part

of the improvements that are proposed uh as part of the project. Our traffic engineer Phil Greley is with us this evening and we can and he can speak to those um improvements and proposed improvements um a little bit later. Um, as part of the, uh, Department of Transportation review, uh, they asked for certain pedestrian pedestrian improvements in the vicinity of the property, I think, as well as um, and Bill can correct me if I'm wrong, but as well as some signal timing adjustments and um, and some other things. We responded to all of the outstanding comments of the planning board and the public in our submission of March 2nd. Um, additionally, we submitted uh correspondence earlier today responding some to some additional comments from the public that were received this week. Let's flip to the next. So, um, the DOT um, the applicants consultants have worked extensively with DOT since we last met with the board. Um there are a number of proposed preliminary uh pedestrian improvements. There is intended to be a bus stop pad at the north driveway to be modified for proper ADA accessibility um at Bradhurst and Grasslands intersection. We're proposing to add a sidewalk from the existing sidewalk at the south driveway to the corner at Bradhurst. I'm sorry at Grasslands. We intend to create crosswalks across Bradhurst and Grasslands Road. Um, and to extend the sidewalk on the north side of Grasslands to the existing bus stop. Flip to the next one. So, as I mentioned, March 2nd, April 2nd, we responded to public comments.

There was some comments raised by uh neighbors. I'd like to just respectfully remind the board that your responsibility in reviewing this application is to review the actual application that is before you and that is an application for site plan approval for the proposed improvements that I just spoke about. The planning board over the course of the time that we've been for you has taken a hard look at our application. You've considered all of the impacts of the project. you have identified your areas of relevant concern. Those areas had to do with lighting, storm water, visual impacts, and traffic. Um, the applicant's been very responsive and has addressed all of those areas of concern through subsequent submissions and revised reports and through our work with your consultants and professional staff. You have relied on your expert review of the application again by your town engineer, your town consulting planner, your town consulting traffic engineer as well as uh the New York State Department of Transportation. We have not identified nor have you identified any significant adverse environmental impacts from the project and we have ameliated any of the concerns with regard to the visual impacts of the one-story structure at the planning board's request. We have proposed additional landscaping and an increase in the size of the proposed landscaping at the buffer area. Uh again, we're also proposing those pedestrian uh improvements as uh requested by NISDOT as I just discussed. Um and we'd like to respectfully remind the board that generalized opposition by the public isn't a reason to deny an application. It's also not a reason to um adopt a positive declaration and ask for the preparation of an environmental

impact statement in the absence of uh significant adverse environmental impacts. So there are some comments that were raised by members of the public. Um you know again I think that some of those comments are um exactly the reason why there are concerns about AI and why AI is such a dangerous thing. Um there are certain um comments that were made for example with regard to critical environmental areas. This property and this project is not in a critical environmental area. I think we've addressed that both in our submission of March 2nd and April uh April 2nd. We spoke about drainage improvements which were constructed as part of the last expansion. Those have been successful. The town records uh indicate that and there are no records that in indicate otherwise. I know that there have been concerns or somebody has raised concerns about flooding. There hasn't been any uh event of flooding from this property onto adjacent properties in probably close to a quarter of a century and certainly not since the last expansion was done in 2007208. Uh there were concerns about security. We provided a contact number and uh information in our letter of March 2nd which um is a 247 number if there are concerns about campus security. Um there were some concerns about maintenance of the property along Bradhurst Avenue. Again, these are not part of the things that the board should be considering when considering the application before them. However, in the interest of being a good neighbor, we've tried to address some of these comments even though they're not relevant to the site plan application itself. So, again, um Gladale is does regular maintenance

of its property. Uh not only its property, but along Bradurst Avenue in front of its property, adjacent to its property, across the street from its property. Um, there were some concerns about whether or not the school and the school district at the site would be expanded as a result of the number of beds that would be added. Uh, we've answered that it will not require expansion to accommodate the beds. Um, one of the things we talked about was the fact that we're seeking 44 beds and I just wanted to remind the board and I think we said it in one of our submissions that that is what we're requesting. The state ultimately approves the number of beds at the property. So they may not approve as many as 44, but that's currently the request. And so that's what the addition has been designed for. We talked about uh light pollution beyond the exterior wall of the parking deck. We've provided a lighting plan and a phototric plan for you that demonstrates that there is no light spillage from the parking deck. Um, and certainly not across the property line. Um, and uh, so I think we can flip.

Yep. So is that seven? We have seven.

Okay. Um, so this drawing shows the existing drainage and grading improvements along Lisa Lane that were done in connection with the last expansion. Again, this is not something that's before you. We are providing this to you as a courtesy and for your information um as we go forward with uh the current application before you. Flip to the next. So uh these are some of the pictures of the existing drainage and grading improvements that were done in connection with that expansion in 2008. U the next plan shows the proposed expansion of drainage adjacent to the parking structure which is phase one and it's been designed to accommodate any additional storm water runoff which is as a result of the construction of the parking structure. Um this slide shows the proposed expansion of the drainage for the site um in phases two and three. So that's the infrastructure, the ring road that goes around the rear of the property and um as part of phase three, which would be the construction of that long-term uh expan facility, I'm sorry, long-term facility expansion. This is the phototric plan that I just mentioned which indicates that light pollution uh will not trespass the parking structure boundaries. This uh slide shows the revised landscaping plan. Again, we at your direction agreed to enhance the landscaping that was originally proposed. We increased calipers by one caliber grade. So if um something was 6

in, it became 8 in. If something was 10 8 in, it became 10 in. And um so that is the revised landscaping plan to shield the proposed parking structure from the adjacent residences. Um this is a view of the property from five Lisa Lane. This demonstrates with the new plantings the um the view from that property of the parking structure with the landscaping. So we show it at the initial time of planting 3 years after planting and you can see the original what we proposed when we first came in March and then what we've revised um in response to your comments. Similarly, three Lisa Lane, the original landscaping plan at the time of the initial planting, the visual three years after planting, and then with the revised enhanced landscaping on the right hand side, the visual at the time of planting, and then three years after planting.

Do you have a maintenance plan for those those bushes and trees at all? I'm sorry. Do you have a maintenance plan for those trees? meaning as they get bigger, they grow into into the yard, right, of Lisa Lane and such. Do we have a maintenance plan or an idea or can we put that together? We we we can we can revise the landscaping plan to include maintenance guidelines for those trees. Yeah. Just dotting the eyes, crossing the tees. Next slide.

Yeah. So that's so that's so that's the one Lisa Lane. So, those are the modifications that we've made. Um, again, we have our cons our entire consulting team here this evening. Um, Dr. Gley is here is our traffic engineer. He can speak to those DOT improvements, the work that was done with DOT and your independent consultant as well as your uh town engineer if you'd like to hear from him. Um, we and again, as I mentioned, we have our consulting team here this evening to to answer any additional questions you might have.

Okay. Any questions from board members? Um, forgive me. I was reading all the communication and didn't go back to the plans. The garage structure is going over the existing parking lot. Is there any new imperous surface areas in that with for the garage? No. Okay. And for the um the addition that's over So, if I recall from my site visit, there was like a lawn area and walkways. It's on the south side of the property adjacent to Grasslands Road kind of across the street from where the cabin is.

But what's what is it being built upon? It's if I recall from walking out there, there was like a walkway and a grass area. So that will result in some new imperous surface area. Okay. Yes. That's where the new impervious surface coverage is. Okay. For the most part. Okay. Any additional questions or comments from board members?

Question. Have these structures, the the garage and the addition, have they been designed with additional capacity so that they can actually be expanded in the future? For example, can the twostory building become a third story, three stories, and can the garage have another floor added on or another two floors added on if the need warrants it in the future? has not been part of our design. But sir, you're the engineer of record. Come on up to the mic.

Dan Pisano JL, the owner's representative. So, our engineer is not here tonight, but I can tell you that we didn't plan to uh that's not in our design right now because our intent is to not ever go up any further. We understand the challenges that we've already faced with the parking deck and the height of it. So there's never an intent to um to exceed that. And we've provisioned the deck to be uh give us enough capacity for you know additional parking right we know we have a challenge now and there's enough uh enough spaces accommodated within this parking deck to uh ensure we don't have to uh further expand that deck. So we did not provision to increase the size of the deck. The same thing goes for the long-term care expansion. It's not built for or it's not designed at this point which is at a schematic design level uh to increase in size to go up.

But you're you're not sure if it has the capacity to have another floor added on or it's it's not currently designed that way. Yeah, it's not currently designed to go up. It's not structurally designed at this point for at least for the long-term care at a schematic design level to go to be expanded upon vertically from a structural standpoint.

Any other questions, Walter? No. Okay. Any other questions from board members? Okay. Let the record show there's no additional questions. I will point out we have another consultant reviewing Pat I think you said within a week or two doing a traffic study or reviewing the traffic study specifically um when we should have the results within a week or two.

Can I ask about that Mr. Chairman? You have hired an independent consultant. Labella reviewed the traffic study. We worked with them. We responded to their comments. We received additional comments from your town engineer. We responded to those comments. Both of them were satisfied with the things that we've proposed and we've also been working with the DOT since October. So I'm so we're listen at the end of the day we have a lot of people here tonight are concerned about traffic. Right.

So this board has the responsibility and it's a very deep responsibility to ensure that what we're doing is not going to have any adverse effect on traffic. So it's board decisions to do that. We'll get those results back and we'll read those results and that's it. So, you're paying or we are going to end up paying for you to have a second opinion. Correct. And why is that? Are you unhappy with the opinions back forth you on this topic? No, I would like to know, Mr. Chairman. Well, I'm not going to give you an answer. You're not going to give me an answer? I already did. The the the public has said to you repeatedly they're concerned about traffic. We are concerned about traffic refer traffic studies and we have addressed those.

You're getting an answer you don't like. No, I'm I'm telling you that we have addressed your concerns and we've worked with your consulted back. Nothing has changed. You understand what I'm saying to you? No, I don't. Okay. Well, then final comments I'll make on the topic. The board would like to have another consultant look at it. End the story. Period. And at your expense? No. Okay. So, we're here for a public hearing. Anything else? No. Okay. We're here for public hearing. Um, we need to wave the reading. We do. Okay. Now, let's continue. Yeah, we we did that already.

Any anything else from anybody from the BLE team like to say anything tonight?

Okay. So, we're here for public hearing. If the anybody from the public is here to address the board on this particular application, we are here tonight to do that. Your your information does come to us. It does do listen to it, do hear it, and we have to make a decision based on that. I do ask that you keep your topic of conversation specific to the site plan itself. We cannot do much with emotion. We can't do much with I've moved here 30 years ago and I'm used to this or that. We can't do anything with that. What we can listen to are things specific to the site plan, things that you bought up before. If you bought them up before, there's really not a reason to bring it up again. If there's anything new that you think the board's not aware of, certainly bring it up. But I will try to limit you guys. I'm not going to time me timely time you me too much, but I try to keep you guys less than five minutes. If you're going too long, I may have to just ask you to wind it down. So, with that being said, again, try to be brief, but provide all the detail that you need to do. Okay, show of hands. Anybody wants to address a board on this topic? Okay, number one. Number two, number three, number four. Anybody else? Number five in the back. You like to be last one. You You like to be the last guy. Number five. Okay.

You want me to be one? No. No, I don't.

I don't. Okay. Number one coming up. Address the board. Hello again. Um, for those for the record, my name is Michael Savino. I live at one Lisa Lane, one of the properties that directly um, uh, abuts the border with Bldale Children's Hospital. I've been there since 2001, and I've seen the hospital grow considerably over that time. I apologize in advance for reading, but I want to directly quote some of the things that the hospital replied to in the the 3-2 letter, which uh their lawyer just spoke about. It's a perfect segue because I'm going to talk about a lot of the same things she did, but from a very different standpoint. Uh and I'm I don't know if you have the 3-2 letter there, but just going in order. Uh light pollution, and this is the hospital's direct quote. The proposed lighting in the parking structure will not result in any light trespass beyond the exterior wall of the parking deck and will not impact nearby residential properties. In addition, although the parking structure is proposed to be located approximately 44.7 ft from the nearest residential property line at three Lisa Lane, contrary to the claim of one resident, it is located approximately 140 ft from the residential building on that property. In addition, the proposed substantial landscape buffer will further ensure that light from the proposed parking structure will not impact adjacent properties. I mean, my English is not that good. I've read that paragraph a 100 times. I'm still not sure what they're trying to say. It seems to be refuting what the resident claimed, but agreeing with it at the same time. The parking structure, according to the drawings, is 44.7 ft from the property line. I think what they're trying to claim is that the foundation of the the the the resident's home is 140 ft from the foundation. So that makes it better. So you know, stay in your home and the garage will be 140 ft away. But if you go to the end of your property line, it's 44 and 1/2 ft. I mean, for context,

44 1/2 ft is less than half the distance between home and first base. How is that even acceptable for a parking distance from one's property line? So I'm just really confused what they're trying to convey here. Um, secondly, the flooding. Again, a direct quote. It was brought to the planning board's attention at the October 20th 25 public hearing that the owners of One Lisa Lane, that's me, had experienced flooding at their home in 2008. We respectfully submit that this flooding event occurred during a very significant storm and there was no evidence that the improvements at the property were the cause of flooding. This is a complete outright lie. I have boxes full of evidence in my in my uh attic that the new parking lot was a direct cause of these floods. We hired our own engineer at the time who worked with the hospital's engineers to redesign the entire project. They basically ripped up the whole parking lot, redid it again at their expense um to correct all the errors. They go on in their letter to list all the improvements. Didn't think they showed some pictures, the swale, the drain, all that stuff. That's all true, but that was done the second time around to fix the problems they had the first time. Again, I'm not sure why sure the hospital is bringing this up as part of their response other than trying to paint the residents of Lisa Lane as liars. This is old news. Water under the bridge, so to speak. The reason it was brought up at the last public hearing by us was just to show that the prior parking lot expansion did not go well. And this that expansion was further away from us and we had damage. Now they want to encroach even closer. So needless to say, our fears of additional damage based on their track record are are increased. Uh traffic and accessibility. The hospital hired a firm to do traffic studies which resulted in the claim that quote the project will not increase overall traffic operations in the area. I'm glad to hear that you were going to take another look at this because uh I'm an accountant. You talk about math, it's a very simple problem. I have two vehicles. If I buy a third vehicle, I just increase the

traffic on Bradurst Avenue. They're talking about um 132 new spots, 44 beds, hiring 75 to 100 employees. Um these are their numbers, not mine. And they're saying that's not going to increase traffic. It's just no way that that that can be true. It's it's just mathematically impossible. Um, and if they come back and say that these beds, parking space, and employees won't be full fully utilized, then I would say, why are you doing this expansion in the first place? Um, by the way, 210 pages of the hospital's original submission, 338 page submission was dedicated to parking and traffic studies. 210 pages to come to the wrong conclusion that I just disproved in two seconds with math. Um, other minor note, none of the maps used in these studies even show or reference Lisa Lane. Uh, every other block from Grasslands Road to Lake View is on the map and accounted for, but Lisa Lane is overlooked as usual. Um, again, another quote, "The previously submitted traffic counts were taken on February 8th, 10th, and 11th, 2024, while school broke school school break was Monday, February 19th." End quote. Contrary, sorry, not end quote. Contrary to public accusations, I missed that in the beginning. I'm sorry. Um, again, the tone of this comment is very unprofessional, calling the residents liars. A resident merely raised the question as to when the the counts were done. Thank you for providing that information. Now, so they were providing on the 8th, the 10th, and 11th. That was a Thursday, a Saturday, and a Sunday. They might as well have done it when they were on school break. You should be doing these studies during weekdays, not the weekend. In any event, no matter what a paid contractor tells you about the increase or lack of increase in traffic is irrelevant. Numbers can be twisted to give you the desired effect. And again, I propose this simply a math problem. Uh existing conditions along Bradhurst Avenue. I'm sure number five is going to talk about this a little more, but um the this is a quote. The applicant

conducts regular maintenance of its campus along Bradurst Avenue to ensure that conditions of the property are not in disrepair. This includes landscaping, tree maintenance, and repairs and upgrades to the existing fencing along the property line. End quote. I think anyone that drives past Blale on a daily basis would strongly disagree with this statement. Uh for comparison purposes, if you just travel down Bradurst, less than a mile, a couple hundred yards, I'm sure you all know what Prospero Nursery is. Uh I'm not sure how many acres they sit on, but I believe it's comparable to the hospital site. You don't even know that place exists. That's proper treatment of a of a of of a property line. Um, it's like night and day. Uh, lastly, proposed landscaping. This is one area the applicant changed the proposal to include, as the lawyer was just saying, trees 2 feet taller than the original proposal and provided renderings from the Lisa Lane properties to demonstrate the increased caliber size. Um, there's three issues that I see with this. Number one, the pictures that she provided showed are taken from the ground floor from our from Lisa Lane's vantage point. From the ground floor, our floors are second and third floor. The view would be quite different from the second and third floor. We'll be looking on top of this parking structure. Those trees aren't going to hide that. Um, much of the structure would be visible and audible from the upper floors. Secondly, the proposed height of the parking structure is anywhere from, again, I'm not an engineer, 12 to 26 ft, depending on what drawings you're looking at. But what they failed to mention conveniently is the the ground is already elevated. I'm sure you've all been there. The the lot is again I don't know 20 ft 30 ft higher than than our property. So they're building on an already elevated structure. And lastly, and again it was just addressed, um any landscaping plan requires maintenance, uh which the hospital has proven over the years is not one of their strengths. Several residents have submitted pictures of what the current screening looks like. screening and quotes which show dying

and dead trees that don't block much of anything. And um I know you've had site visits. We invite you to come to Leis Lane anytime you want. Sit in our backyards, stand in our living rooms and bedrooms so you can see firsthand the impacts of this proposed structure. Any of the drawings that they can provide or even any of the pictures that we can provide don't give you the full picture unless you're actually there and see what's happening. Um, lastly, the law the lawyer's letter mentions on three separate occasions that they have been around since 1922. They seem to be very proud of that fact, as they should be, but it seems like they're using this information as a reason as to why this application should be approved. Again, quoting what she said, look at the application, not the applicant. Um, this is consistent with their behavior at the last public hearing. After the meeting, the hospital and their people were huddled outside and the residents were gathered in a different area and unprovoked, a female voice yelled across the parking lot. We were here first.

I I don't want to get scratch it from the record, but we all heard it. Um, you know, I I just think it's it's extremely unprofessional and it's telling us of the position. They genuinely believe that being here longer than us and doing the type of work they do gives them the right to do whatever they want. Let's just keep it to the site plan conversation.

Okay. So that's my comments on the 3-2 letter. The only other area I wanted to talk about is the inflexibility and alternatives. Other than agreeing to plant the the taller trees, the hospital has not budged much from its original submission. I've read through all the comments and suggestions submitted by both the town's uh planning consultant Patrick Clearary and the town engineer Dave Smith. Uh while I don't see the hospital's response to the town engineer's last round of comments, I'll commend the hospital on promptly responding to all the comments. However, their responses could basically be summed at up as thanks for the suggestions, but no thanks. We want to continue with our original plan. We've considered everything, but our way is the best way. Uh so, please put us on the agenda for the next planning for continued review. I have many many examples. I don't want to waste much more time, but just two question from from the the uh engineer. What about putting the parking structure on the south side of the property away from the residence? Answer: nope. We've looked at all the alternatives. The only place it makes sense is up against the backyards of Lisa Lane. question. What about direct access from Grasslands Road and eliminating the southern driveway? Nope, it's not feasible. We'll check with New York State DOT again, but it's not going to work. One of the board members, I I think it was um the gentleman on the end mentioned at the last meeting, engineers are supposed to find a way. It doesn't seem like the hospital is trying to find any other ways to get this project approved other than how it was originally submitted. Um, just so it's on the record, the six records, the six residents of Lisel Lane have met with the management of the hospital to discuss other options that would, in our opinion, resolve many of the issues that have been ra raised since this project's inception. We recognize and deeply respect the hospital's mission and its importance to the community. So after much consideration, we decided to use the hospital's favorite term and be a good neighbor by offering the hospital a unique opportunity to purchase the entirety of Lisa Lane. Okay.

At a third of the price of the current budget. Yeah. That and that's that's that's interesting, but it's immaterial to what this board has to decide. Is the board aware of that that conversations happen? You've mentioned it before, but we can only review the application in front of us tonight. The what you're talking about is not the application in front of us tonight.

That's true. So, so I'm and and I'm just trying to guide everybody like you know the conversation about the site being in disrepair. You need to call if it's such a concern for you call the building. We we can't do anything about that on on this board. The conversation about the homes, you know, and and leis we can't do anything about that. I can only deal with the facts that are in front of me tonight and that it's the site plan application that's before us tonight. It's the garage and it's the expanded use the road and all that kind of good stuff. But I can't get into conversations about who said what outside. And I'm saying this to everybody else here tonight. If we have that conversation tonight, I'm just going to politely ask you, refrain from that conversation because I can't do anything with that. You understand? It's it's we need to stick to the facts. We need to stick to site site plan specific items and hearay. Who said what? Who did not do what who I can't it's it's not even interesting at this point because we can't we've had so much conversation about the site.

Fair enough. Fair enough. Um, I just have one more paragraph and then you can get rid of me. Um, and I think this is important even though it's not related to the project at hand, but as an alternative, they seem very inflexible and we didn't even know if that was something that was possible, but this is a hospital quote and they said they spoke to the town, let me not misquote them. We have had informal conversations with town personnel and reviewed market data. After careful consideration, analysis, and discussion with our leadership and board of trustees, we have decided that the timing is not right for Blale to move forward with purchasing the lease properties. Bllyail has committed to projects already in progress at a significant expense and we must see these through.

Okay. Okay. So, I'm going to ask you to wrap that piece up because again the the purchase of Lisa Lane is is not before us tonight. Well, maybe maybe it should be as an alternative if if this Well, that's how I'm going to conclude. Give them their wishes. End this project right now. But that would be a new application before this board if they want to site differently. But for the current project, they want to see it to the end. I respectfully ask the board grant the hospital their wishes and end this project right now.

Lastly, we were told by the former CEO, Larry Lavine. I know you're going to say hearsay, but it's on the record. Um during the last expansion, it would be the final time the hospital would seek an approval to expand. But here they are trying to scram a large-scale project that requires many variances into an already overdeveloped footprint. The hospital admits this themselves by stating variances are necessary due to the constraints of the property. For this and all the reasons that have been presented to the planning board by members of the community, we respectfully ask that you do not allow this project to proceed. All right.

Thanks for your time. Thank you very much and and thank you for coming out tonight and and and presenting what you wanted to present and I'm going to just make this comment to everybody the same thing like we're we we've heard a lot already. So the conversation about who said what again Mr. Lavine not Mr. Lavine like it's interesting but it's not really appropriate for tonight. We have to talk specifically at this point in the journey about site plan specific items. So that means the road, the traffic, the the loop road, the the garage, the landscaping plan. I I can entertain these conversations. I just can't. We just we should not do that. So, but thank everything else was a lot of it was pertinent and something to think about, but the other stuff I'm going to ask the folks to rain it in if you can.

Thank you. Thank you for coming out. Okay. Number two. Welcome. Hi.

Hello. My name is Megan Kia. I live at five Lisa Lane. I'm here to speak on behalf of their Blightdale submission on March 2nd. And as I sat here and listened, it must it must be nice to say the proposed things that they would like to happen. However, I live there and the reality of what's happening there is more real and important to what we could say is going to happen. I want to thank Mr. Hickey for bringing up the point of asking them if there is room in the future to build upwards because as stated in their uh application, you know, they've been here since 1922 and they have needed space time after time after time. It's 2026 and they've run out of space and now they're going up. And I thank you for bringing up that point because five ten years from now we'll be standing here with that application that they want to move further up. At what point does it end? Okay. Um you know this is a residential area, Lisa Lane. Maybe not the corner by the cabin grasslands but Lisa Lane is residential. No one is going to come into my house when I want to sell it and purchase my home potentially with a parking garage 44t from my property line 140 ft from my bedroom window that is on the second floor facing the parking garage. Right now I have snow plows and cars. I could read license plates from my bedroom window of the current from the current parking lot because the trees that are there are dead, are not existent. There's garbage lining the property line

between my house and their property. I took a walk there this past weekend or actually it was Monday, whatever day it was really nice. I took pictures, I sent them to you. Do I want to get into the graphics of what I saw? No. But condom wrappers. Okay. So, if there's if there's building issues, that's the building department. I understand. And I'm just here to say the reality of things. Understood.

The reality of things are that my children play in my yard with my neighbors at 3 Lisa Lane who are the same age. They're under seven years old. We have people, again, I know this is a current thing, but we have people looking, hanging out in their cars, smoking weed, having themselves a good good old time, but we live there, and this is what we're seeing. This is not someone sitting behind a fancy computer screen proposing what could happen.

So, I'm just going to guide you a little bit just back to decide plan specific issues. I I hear your conversation and I and I'm empathetic to everybody who has an application before us. I hear the stories and but again, you know, I can't that I can't do much with. But the site plan specific items that you have, those we can listen to in here.

Okay. So, I'll just stick to the to the the setback, right? The 200 foot. They're at 44.7 feet. That's not within the required setback. Okay. That's not a minor adjustment. It's a major one. Okay. Uh, we talked about landscaping. I'll close with this. I mean, the reality is no one, like I said, is going to want to buy a home with parking structure that close to my property. Okay? You you can drive onto Lisa Lane and you will see that parking structure. You don't need to come to back of my home to see it. You can pull right onto the street and you will see it between three and five Lisa Lane because there's not a house in that turn if you understand. If you drove by or if you came onto the street, you would see that. So you will see it from Bradhurst Avenue, never mind my backyard. Um, so I just want to put on record that, you know, this it's my understanding that this is exactly why these zoning protections exist and why they must be upheld and that's probably for the zoning board or whoever. I'm just a fizz teacher. I'm just here to

Well, you No, you are a fizz teacher. You're not just a fad. No, I understand. Sure you say that. But I I just want to point out one thing. The zone those zoning conversations should happen at the zoning board. Okay. Okay. Not at the planet board. I encourage you to participate in the mispull process and go to the zoning board meeting when and if it does happen. Okay. And lastly, you know, sitting behind me, I feel it's my feel again, you don't want my feelings, but their application is breaking the code and they know it and they don't care. And that's that's a big part of the problem here. Okay, that's it. All right. Thank you. Have a good night. Thanks. Thank you for coming out tonight. Okay, so that was number two. Number three. Number three. There was a three.

I won't be getting up because I was going to be speaking about the incredible opportunity. Yeah, we can't we can't we can't even hear that conversation. It's not gerine to tonight. So that's number four.

Good evening, Chairman Collins, board members. Nice to see you again. Good evening. Uh I am actually not sure where I want to begin. After I'll just start you really quick. Just your name for the record. Sean Quigley. Um I've been thinking about your predecessor. Yeah.

Recently I want to I want to just take one minute to share with the board something that I heard him say at a board meeting that I was a part of several years ago. It was the Bright View project. 10 o'clock at night. I was sitting right over here behind Mr. clearly with some neighbors and Bright View came in with David Steinmets, JMC Consulting, AKRF, all the heavy hitters. They did their presentation 20 minutes or so. And I'll never forget what Mike McGlaughlin said to Mr. Styus after they finished presenting. He looked at him straight in his face and he said, "You know, Mr. Styus, you and your team like to come in here and shine the apple for me and my board members. Mr. Mr. Collins, you were sitting right next to him and I believe Mr. Abbot, you were there. Mr. Piaza was there. I'll never forget that. It resonated with me then and it resonates with me tonight. What I just heard and what I've been hearing from this team behind me is shining the apple times a thousand. That's what I've been hearing about this petition. I I heard Miss Gears mention AI and critical environmental area. Let me tell you something. I have leveraged every possible tool that I could think of. It's me against a whole team of high-priced lawyers and consultants. It wasn't AI that put in eight foil requests to Carolyn Sarasino the last 10 months and spent hours in this conference room back here over multiple days going through this record. It wasn't AI that submitted three four requests to the town of Greenberg finding out that there was a critical environmental area adjacent to their property. I never said it was part of the I said it was adjacent to it. I have leveraged everything

to put my comments together. The last letter I just submitted this week was all based on the town record. I have an attorney tonight saying there wasn't any flooding since the last expansion in 2008. But in her memo that my neighbor just read, she didn't say that. She didn't say that. She didn't say that. She didn't say that there was flooding there. She said there wasn't flooding. There was no evidence that the improvements at the property were the cause of the flooding. Contradicted itself right in front of the board. What else in this memo is contradiction? What else? I sent that letter in this week. That's all based on the record. Every single page of it with photographs, with comments from building inspector, Mr. Clearary engineers, even the supervisor at the time, man. Stunning. I heard I saw the nice drawing of the DOT with the crosswalks. You know why the DOT is an involved agency now? It's not because of them. It's because of me. That's why they're an involved agency now. because of my letter last summer requesting it. Was it AI that took photographs of handicapped children coming out of this hospital being pushed into two of the most treacherous roadways in our town, if not the county? Was that AI? Was it AI taking photographs of their

employees zigzagging into two of the busiest roads? No crosswalks, no sidewalks, no signaling. It's interesting. In their opening submission over a year ago on March 14th, there was nothing in there about that intersection. Go back and look. There was nothing in there about it. And it took me and my neighbors to go out with a camera and take pictures. I'd invite any one of you to go pull into the cabin restaurant on any given day and you tell me what you see. You tell me what you see on that street right where that father I'm assuming it's a father was with his handicapped child coming out of their hospital that crossed over Bradhurst and was pushing up towards Grasslands Road. Do you know how many concrete trucks that I've seen make the turn off of Bradurst to go make the turn off of Grasslands to go north on Bradurst that are delivering material to the moselum that this board built? You know how many concrete trucks coming from the yard over on Virginia Road? Hundreds. Landing right where that father was with his kid in a wheelchair. I don't take the bus. But we know who takes the bus and none of you take the bus. And none of them sure as hell don't take the bus. It's their employees who got to get from point A to point B and they got to navigate two of the most busiest roads in our town. And they haven't done a damn thing about it. And they like to brag about a hundred years that they're in operation. Well, they've been pushing handy pigs in the street for 100 years. DOT DOT wasn't involved. I saw the drawing and heard in her submission. How much more of that letter we have to we have to dissect and say enough's enough. Mr. Clearary asked them a year

ago tomorrow in his memo. He asked him for an alternative site plan modification. Scale it back. Bring it down. April 3rd last year. That was Mr. Clary's memo. Never saw anything in a record come in on that. You know why? They want what they want. And one thing I I learned after looking through stacks of piles that Carolyn and Nancy Sor and engineering have provided me in this building is one thing that is very common. And one thing that I learned, the level of difference that this town has provided to this hospital over the last 30 to 40 years is astonishing. It's astonishing. And that's because it's a hospital. Negative declarations, uncoordinated reviews. So, can I guide you toward more sight plan specific items now at this point if you don't mind?

No design modification for the site plan as per Mr. Clearary. He he he asked about what is the plan and the impact for hauling out 250 truckloads of 10,000 cubic yards of fill. So you're going to have a construction site, an active construction site hauling out 10,000 cubic yards of full 250 truckloads. He asked for impacts and he asked for a plan. What's the plan for that? Nothing. I've seen nothing. site plan. That's that's a big part of the site plan. And then you have people in wheelchairs and employees going out to the into the road. You're going to have dump trucks coming out. I said at the beginning I said at the beginning of this in my letters and I've said in the first public hearing, Mr. Collins, I'm not opposed to what they do. What I am opposed to, and it sure looks like they got rubber stamped years ago, and I know you don't like that term, but I read the record. And when you start giving waiverss on parking setbacks back in 2007, uncoordinated reviews, negative debt, that's a huge, huge problem. I'm not opposed to what they do. I'm opposed to a negative declaration. Why wouldn't they want an environmental impact statement? Ask yourself that question. Why wouldn't they? We all know why. It's too expensive, too consuming, and they don't want project delays. They want what they want. Their employees and their patients are going out into the roadway. They You would think they would want that. Let's do it the right way. Let's look at everything you the town has stepped up. Let's let's get another

independent consultant on traffic. Great. But how about the other things? Why wouldn't they want an environmental impact statement? Why wouldn't they want a POS? Listen, let's do it. They're asking for a lot here. They are asking for a lot. And they've gotten a lot from this town from what I can see in the record. So, I think it should I I I ended my comments on October 20th in the first public hearing. My last two sentences to this board was I think this should be a positive declaration and an and with an environmental impact statement completed. And that's I feel that way. I feel stronger about that now than I did then eight months ago.

Thank you, Mr. Quigley. Right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And again, we're going to keep it definitely to the site plan specific items and we're going to we're going I'm I'm not After that, I shouldn't even speak. My name's Glenn Aella. I live in Valhalla. Hold on. I just want to make sure we set the set the ground because I want to make sure people because I don't want to hear he said, she said again. I don't want to hear accusations of this or that. I want to hear specific site plan concerns. At this point tonight, I'm going to tell you one thing first because it was brought up several times. Yeah.

I talked to John Flanigan personally about these people and AI. I took every one of those pictures that Mr. Quigley has there on my phone. I can give it to you right now and you can look at them. Okay. But I talked to John Flanigan. I said, "John, I live across the street on Brat from this hospital. You got to talk to these people in the wheelchair, the baby, the carriages, and everything else that goes up that street." He told me, I'm going to finish one second. They they brought up. No, no, no. Like, we have to I know what you got to do and I'll get there. But they told me that once they leave the hospital, it's not their problem. And I'm telling you right here, that's what he told me. And if he denies it, then they're all lies. Okay. We've heard about that already. And now, let's get to the traffic. Thank you.

Okay. I've been here for four decades in this property. You can't get out of that property sometimes of the day. Now, I'm not saying it's all for them, but most of it is. any of the traffic that comes out of that south driveway, 95% of it, and I've been around for four months over the winter, most of all school buses that come out of there, and 90% of the cars all make a right turn to go grasslands to the spring. I watched it. I sat there. Okay. So, we have to look at that intersection. I don't think you should be able to put a shed on that property. And somebody mentioned about the project over there at the nursery they did it for Sparrows. They had to knock down four buildings on that property. You can check with Greenberg to build one. So, they should have to look at maybe getting rid of the house or how they can do things with giving up some. That lot coverage is way overdeveloped. They can't just keep building. It doesn't stop. And like he said about the parking garage, they say they can't do things till they can. I look at the record back in 0708. I asked them about the ring road. I didn't call it the ring road, but I asked them about going around the back and you can look into the record and they said they can't do it until they can. Now all of a sudden they can do this because they they want what they want.

Can you do me a favor? Just not yell at the board. I'm not yelling at you. It's just the way I you know that you've been around long enough. I think most of you are. But you but you are. Okay. I'm sorry. So maybe we should move the mic a little bit away. Okay. Okay.

So that I can speak and I'm not yelling. But no, serious. I'm there because these are high paid people that come here and try to put a good spin on it. I live there for over 30 years going on into my fourth decade there and the traffic is crazy. I sit there and watch this traffic. The people that live on Lisa Lane, they're to the side. Yes, it's going to affect them because they're it's their backyard, but I see everything come by. I see the people that don't let me come out of their driveway. I see where they're coming from. and I sit at the light with these aggressive school buses and almost get into fights with everyone because they think they have a right to pull out of there. We have to look at that driveway. I sent pictures into Caroline just recently when the traffic is stacked up into the intersection. Okay, stacked up. Now you got the whole intersection of Grasslands and Brad and No backed up because somebody's trying to make a left there. We have to look at it in my opinion, and I'm not one of these high-powered, high paid traffic analysts. I'm just somebody that drives on the roads and witnesses. But you got to either have the state involved and put in a right turn to alleviate the traffic on Bradurst or they got to look into a driveway going west coming out of their facility and coming west on Grasslands to go into their facility. So, a right turn in and a right turn out that I think would alleviate some of the traffic that is sitting at Bradhurst Avenue. The main thing is Bradurst. The main thing is more traffic that they're bringing in. Go over there any time of the day. Drive up there and see how many cars are in that parking lot. They have valet parking. They can't fit what they have there now and they want to expand on it. And then they say they're not going to expand the school.

I was going to use another word, but I'm not going to say it. that they told us that wasn't going to happen and then the school came along. We can't do nothing about it. They expand this hospital 50%. How are they not going to have to expand the school? Okay, let's let's just and I know you're passionate, but you you are yelling at the board again. I'm not yelling, but but I you know, maybe I I need that hearing aid. I speak loud. You sound like my daughter now. Okay. So, don't take it personally. No. Okay. So I want to address the traffic conversation and you brought up some points that we are using belt and suspenders to having an additional analysis done of the traffic.

So that's going to guide the board. We've heard many different studies on traffic. We have we also live in town. I live in town. Everybody here lives in town. We all drive by the facility. I drive by probably at least three or four times a week. So I'm very aware a wellware of the traffic situation on on that road. as a resident, as as a member of the planning board, and as a chairman, I'm also aware of the traffic studies have come out and read them thoroughly and understood them as well. So, so we're we're taking all the information in and we're assimilating it and going to have to make a decision at some point what we're going to do. I hear what you're saying, but I can only address questions that are specific to the site plan.

I agree. And I apologize for speaking loud. I get passionate when I talk and I'm passionate about this. I live there and if this gets approved, I'm probably going to have to move. So maybe I should be the next maybe I should be the seventh home that they buy out because I'm going to sell anyway cuz who wants to live across the street from this? When I moved there, there was only a little facility. Maybe it wasn't like back in the 1920s. But we got to look at the traffic before you think of anything going forward. Yeah. You have to think of a positive uh declaration that this you have to it has to be looked at studies that come out of that. Okay.

All right. And I know we want to go and I'm not supposed to open it. I apologize for speaking loud, but when we had the big blizzard, you know where they put the snow, good neighbors across the street on Thomas into the neighbors on Thomas Place, I had to call the police and tell them you're blocking the roadway for driving through and that's the right thing this port I can't shovel that and just because she brought it up, anybody drive by there first thing tomorrow morning, see how much garbage is along the road. Okay. And all those those are and again I apologize to all of you. Don't take it personally. I appreciate the passion. Be loud and get passionate. I appreciate the passion. Especially when people ain't being honest with you. Okay. So, we we were lost in numbers here. Does anybody remember our number? That's it.

That's it. Okay. Okay. So, we did hear from the public tonight. Uh we also heard from the applicant. We also have um we're waiting on some traffic study to come back or analysis of the analysis of the study. So, that's where we are at this point. What is any comments or questions from the board at this point? Um, I have a comment. So, the somebody brought up the dates of the traffic study that it was a Saturday, Sunday, and if we're going to re look at those, are we looking at dates that are flawed? I had a similar question. And I wanted to know if the if I don't know if I should use the word flawed, but if they're not accurate dates of when traffic would be

is the traffic consultant that we're hiring analyzing their study or conducting their own study and at the end of that they'll either say it meets standards, industry standards or they'll say it's defective and they should do redo some counts. Correct. Okay. Any other questions? He was address he's going to address your question. That was that was it. We're good. Uh, good evening. Philip Gley from Collier's Engineering and Design. Yeah.

Uh, we prepared the traffic impact study. I'm a professional engineer uh in New York State. Uh, I don't own anymore, but I own for 30 years property at 11 Bradhurst Avenue. So, I'm very familiar with the area. Uh, in terms of some of the comments that were made, and then I'll address the board comments. I just wanted to clarify some things on the record. So, relative to Mr. Cavino's comments, um the traffic study does uh include additional trips for the expanded facility. In addition, as requested by the town engineer, we did a second and it was summarized in table one of the traffic study, all the trips by the peak hours. Uh at the request of the town engineer, we did a second analysis, what we call a sensitivity analysis with higher trip generation estimates using a more conservative approach, standard criteria that we follow that the state requires and other you know consultants will use um in terms of the dates of the traffic study and the traffic counts. So, we look at weekday peaks, morning, afternoon, we have 12-hour counts. Uh, in addition, we have two state roads there. The state has their own data. So, we rely on that data also, and we look at historical data. So, not just our own data. And that's what was reviewed by the previous consultant. Um, in terms of why do we look at weekends? because there was an issue with parking. So the weekends were looked at really to see what happens relative to parking conditions on the weekend. So not only the weekdays, but we also look at weekends

in terms of um improvements and the involved agency. New York State DOT is what's called an involved agency because it's their roadway that we have access to. They have to review the project. the on the requirements on the seeker. They did review and they provided comments. They've given us direction. Uh the improvements that are identified uh in the slide that Miss Garish showed will be done under a permit with New York State DOT at the applicant's expense. There will also be some signal upgrades. So, not that we're talking about AI, but what's happening with signals now is they're more reactive to actual loadings. So, part of the signal adjustments is what's called adaptive traffic. So, we have identified that the project in phase three will generate more traffic and we've offset that traffic. Um I think it was Mr. Aello mentioned about the traffic making a right turn onto from Bradhurst onto grasslands. That's correct. We have that in our data. It shows the breakdown of the turning movements. In terms of uh the most recent correspondence we received from the town dated today from Mr. Smith. uh he uh mentions that we're making some changes to the signal timing and brought up the fact that there was some increased cues, but he didn't really uh you know, he left it up to the DOT, but he did not point out that with the modifications that we were actually reducing the delays at the intersection. And again,

that's using the more conservative trip estimates that your town engineer asked us to analyze. So in terms of the base traffic counts, we focus on the peak hours. We have what the data is. Um that's included in the analysis and we clearly uh show projections in table one and I think it's 1S which was done to respond to your town engineer. And going forward we will work with the DOT on the permit with the improvements that we're making. uh they reviewed potential access directly to grasslands. They said they would not permit it and there's also a restriction because of the ramp onto the Spring Brook Parkway that's called without access. So, um again, you're going to have another consultant review it and we'll respond to any comments. So, I just wanted to get that on the record for you.

Thank you. Bill, can you clarify the date the counts were done with the school in session? Yeah. So the uh and we'll get all the dates to you, but they were done in February of 2024 and then there's counts that the DOT had done in 24 and 25 and we'll get all the dates and we'll have all that package you for the public when it's ready with the new uh analysis with the supplemental analysis, right? The supplemental analysis. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Okay. Any questions or comments board members at this point? I just want to say thank you for coming up folks. Um, you know, this is a time of rebirth and renewal and Easter and Passover and many other holidays that are out there. And some of the conversation tonight was disappointing with by the applicant as well as some of the members of the public. We're here to professionally hear things that we need to hear. We have to assimilate and dissect this information. Let's try in this spirit of this season to to avoid that rhetoric because it makes it very difficult for the board to process the information that we need to process. With that being said, any final comments or questions from the applicant? Thank you again, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity. Um, I am going to be truthful with you. We're disappointed in the fact that you feel the need for the additional traffic study. We recognize it. We'll wait for it. We'll address it when it comes. Um, I think that we've submitted uh a number of different responses. We'd like to make sure that you carefully review those. I know you do carefully review all of the submissions that you uh get. I think that there are certain things that are required as a matter of law. Uh and I think that our submissions are clear as to what you should be reviewing as a matter of law. Um, as uh a representative for Blidale and as somebody who has an application before you, um, I just like to respectfully remind you that

when you are reviewing something and you are looking at traffic, for example, Lidale is not responsible for correcting the existing condition that's there. It's already there. what we're required to do is look at what we're adding to that and trying to mitigate that to the maximum extent practicable. So that's what's being proposed. Um and I just like you to take note of that. Uh similarly with all of the other areas of concern that you raised, visual impacts, um storm water management, landscaping, all of those things. So I think that the record speaks for itself. I think that there have been a lot of misrepresentations in some of the materials that have been submitted to you. Whether it's something that was done deliberately or not. I'm not suggesting that it was. I'm just suggesting that as a matter of law and as a matter of fact, it's not right. So, I'd like you to please review what we've submitted carefully and we look forward to hearing from your consultant and addressing whatever those uh comments are. I thank you for coming out tonight. Okay. So, we have a public hearing. What is the pleasure of the board?

I will entertain one question, one brief question. Come up to the mic. And that's it guys because we we have applications behind us. I just want to ask is in that 210 page report, sum it up in two sentences. is the conclusion that this project will not increase traffic. Okay, that's all I want. That's what's in the writing.

Just uh again to put on the record in the traffic report in table one, it shows the increased traffic which is projected for the project. supplement to that as requested by your town engineer and those were based on the expansion numbers in terms of number of beds and looking what the current site generates. In response to your town engineer, we did a second analysis which is shown in table 1s of the supplemental submission that shows even higher generation new trips that would be generated by the expansion and that's what's included in the study. Okay. Thank you.

That will increase traffic. Am I understanding? Yeah. Correct. Okay. So, it's not what the the lawyer's letter said. Okay. Let's let's we're moving on. We're moving we're mitigating our increase. That's I believe what the attorney Thank you for coming out. We are moving on. Okay. So, we have a public hearing open. We are waiting for a traffic study to come back. What is the thought from the board regarding the public hearing? There's an option to extend the public hearing. Is correct? Option A. That is one of the options. Well, it's either extended or close it,

right? So, we're doing uh should we keep it open until we have the results of the traffic engineers review? So because the traffic engineer is committing to do this promptly, I think a two week adjournment for the next meeting is allow them to do their and that traffic engineer will re prepare a letter or a report of some kind and can we make that available to the board and to the public so that okay and so we have a meeting in two weeks. Okay. Okay. And we would would we have the applicant come back and close the public hearing or would we take public comment or

it would be if you continue the public hearing public would have a an opportunity to come. Okay. Okay. So, what is the pleasure of the board? I make a motion that we adjourn the public hearing. So, we have a motion to adjourn the public hearing and we make we have a second. I second it. Second from Steve. A motion from Eileen, second from Steve. So Walter, I say nay. I'd like to keep the public hearing open. That's what you're doing. You're continuing. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought you was Walter. Closing it. So I I I Eileen I Steve I

and I for me. Okay. Thank you very much. We're going on to the next application which is a brand new public hearing. Um, I'll read it and remind me to wave the reading of the public notice. Make a motion that we wave the reading of the public. Notice we we already have I proud of myself for catching myself. We we have a motion from Jane. Second. Second from Eileen Walter. Hi. Jane. I. Eileen. I. Steve. I.

And an I from me. Okay. I'll read it out now. New public hearing proposed vacant parcel Brad Avenue, Jackson Avenue. Development of a new single family dwelling on a vacant parcel. application steep slopes SS25-17 location vacant parcel Jackson Avenue section block lot numbers 112.9-1-2 zone or or 10 owner Brighton Avenue Properties LLC applicant contract Vendee Cooling Homes Incorporated Engineer Kach Kachi Engineering I probably didn't do that right again no you did actually all right just one second before you start folks I just need you guys to quiet the room a little Okay. So, we can proceed on to the next application.

Okay. Thank you for coming out tonight. Just state your name and all that for the record.

Sure. Uh Greg Kad Chipolei uh engineer on the project representing the applicant contract vendee Cooland Homes. Uh the application before you is uh the construction of a single family residence on a currently vacant lot that's approximately8 acres uh with associated imperous services and storm water management on site. Uh it does require crossing steep slopes to access the property or to to access the home. Um which is why we're before you. Uh there's some tree removals which we've identified uh and no wetlands, no flood planes. And that's pretty much the uh a brief summary of it.

So you're you know I'm addressing the the public and the public will be asking you questions I'm sure. Sure.

Is there anything else you want to talk about the proximity to um the the adjoining homes? How close are you to the homes next to you? Do you know? Yeah. So, uh, right. So, the home to the west of us, which is on this side of the property, uh, let me just pull up the site plan with the setbacks. Yes, we're approximately 15 ft 15.4 4 to be exact, feet off of the westerly property line, uh off the rear property line, 30.8 and uh you know, a significant amount off the easterly property line. Uh you know, part of this was to address comments about keeping the driveway away from the intersection. Uh also trying to avoid steep slope disturbance. Um driveway access because the steepness of the driveway trying to balance the amount of cut and fill. Uh all these were considerations in placement of the home. Uh but those are the distances that we found up with.

Okay. Any questions or comments from board members? Okay. Let the record show no questions or comments from board members at this time. So, we are here for a public hearing. We wave the reading of the public notice, but we do have members of the public here, I believe. So, if you're here to address this application for Jackson Avenue um please raise your hand. We'll give you a number. If you have a number, you can speak. So, number one, number two, and number three, all all in a row.

All right. State your name for the record. Good morning. Uh excuse me. Good evening everyone. Uh name is Hector Rivera. Uh uh I live on 344 Jackson. Uh the lot that's directly adjacent. Uh I would say I'm west, excuse me, east of their lot. Just a couple of concerns. Um as far as you know, he was mentioning the slopes. It's more like pretty much like a cliff and you know it's going to So what I heard was it's going to be about between 125 150 truckloads of fill that has to you know come into our neighborhood. Now question is how is this going to be conducted? Is this going to be on a daily basis obviously and are they going to be you know blocking our driveways you know because you know Jackson Avenue is not that big. It's And just pause. I want to understand the qu the point. But a good point.

Yeah. So your concern is I'll paraphrase back to is during the construction phase. How do how do we manage all the construction traffic? Correct. Well, we do have a building department uh that is involved with that. They have rules they have to follow guidelines they have to follow. If they do not follow those rules and guidelines, make a call. Make a phone call. Yep. Yep. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I just want to address that. No, it's okay. Okay. I'm just That's why I'm asking. you know, if you never asked, the answer will always be no. My mother told me so.

Um, you know, so, uh, you know, that and you know, again, we just had our, uh, our street literally paved like beautiful, you know, my neighbors attest to that. And it's been, you know, I mean, I've only been there for 15 years, but that's where my wife actually grew up in. She's been there for over 30 and it looks beautiful. and we're kind of concerned on what 150 trucks are going to do to our nice, you know, street there. And if so, will they be able to start fixing it? And since I'm adjacent to them, there's a lot of trees adjacent to, you know, and I'm talking about trees that are 40 ft high. Is that going to affect my driveway when they're cutting them down? And are they going to be breaking up my driveway? Am I responsible for fixing that? Are they responsible for fixing that? I mean, you know, those are just concerns of mine being that I'm a J. I'm directly adjacent to the project that's going to be going

probably answer a couple of those questions. Um, so if the street is damaged dur due to the construction phase, they have a bond. Correct. Correct. And and the the bond would have to be draw upon to to repair the road or the the development will repair it first. If he doesn't, we have a bond. So suspend. So So that's the meth that's the process or the methodology that is in place for them to do that. Right. And I think the other one was trees. Well, I'm sorry. What was Well, the trees I mean, you know, the trees are, you know, 30 40 feet high. I mean, this was, you know, on the site itself. Yes. On site itself, you know what I mean? They're huge.

And I'm not sure if you guys pass by, you know, but uh my house is about 344. I'm the red house. And if you're looking at my house, uh west of my house is the property. I mean, you know, this this is your driveway here. That's correct. That is correct. So, these I think these three trees that those three trees and I mean, you're talking about trees here that that that are hanging over my driveway. Just stick with the mic because there's people who there's people watching you. Sorry. Sorry.

I'm I'm I'm addressing uh this here. Yes, those three trees that he addressed. Yes, that is correct. Those are But I'm talking about the ones that are just on the other side of my property that are actually overlapping since throughout the years that they've grown 30, 40, 50 feet, you know, high. You know, I mean, I'm not a biologist, but guesstimating, you know, and uh you know, like I said, that's my house there. And you know, is that's just cause for concern for me, you know. The size of the trees there now is is the concern. I'm sorry. The size of the trees that are there now. Oh, yeah. And and some of them are leaning over, you know, on my property from theirs, you know, but that's through storms and things like that. I've actually seen it before and heard that.

So that let's let's let's click into that for a second. Double click into that. Yeah. So that's something we can talk about. Yes. At this board. Yeah. If there's trees that are growing over your home or over your property and and you feel they're a danger to your property. Well, not not not on directly over my house, right? Not directly over my house, but directly on my property. And I do have a driveway. If the tree fell down, would it cause damage on your property? Yes, it will. Okay. Yes, it will. Absolutely. I have a carport where I have my cars and that will that they are in direct line of of of if they were to fall onto my property, damage my vehicles, my carport.

So, I would suggest that we figure out a plan that we do a tree management plan of some kind for how are they going to cut them down or you know Go ahead. Sorry, man. So, I think uh you know there's there's tree specialists, tree contractors that have methods to cutting down trees. And I think if I heard the concern correctly, it's that the trees that are along the property line kind of hang over toward your house. Correct. Correct. Right. I mean, that's me. Felix of Fatima River. That's my That's me. Right. So, I mean, when they're cutting trees, they they cut at certain angles and then tie ropes and pull tension on it.

I understand that. Yeah. so that it drops in a certain direction. I mean, it's part of their profession. Well, we can specify them to just grind stumps instead of Let me just get back to the trees. Are we removing those trees? Yes or no? Yeah, we're removing three trees along the property line that that he's talking about. So, it is a valid concern, but I think we can specify grinding the stumps instead of just ripping them out so that the roots don't Well, and truth, full disclosure, I had a couple trees removed from my property. I I don't know how they did it last summer. They did and it they they know what they're doing. Right. Right. So So I'm not concerned. I have no issues with that whatsoever. I totally agree with that. But I don't want you left with with stumps either. Correct. That's what I don't want because I would like to have nice green grass there. Yeah.

You know, I don't want Are the trees on your property or his property? They're on mine. But Oh, they're your No, no, no. They're yours. They're his They're on his property, but they're overlapping on mine is what I'm saying. But you're removing those trees. But they're removing those trees because you know correct it's for his sight due to grading. It's due to to fill that's why the trees are are being so we we want to make sure that he's left with something that he can manage. Right. Right. So we're cutting concerns of mine. I mean I hold on Mr. River with a but now but now but now is the time to talk about it because I don't I don't want to lose a conversation that has to happen.

I'm going to be here for the next one. I've been here for almost last year. So, okay. We time time I I got it. Trust me on this. This one I others I don't know 100%. This one I got. So, if he's got a tree that you're cutting down, you're responsible for making sure that tree it's it's on your property and his property maybe halfway between, but I think in good faith you should grind the stump and leave him with something that's Well, I mean, we're we're actually proposing to raise the grade in this area. So, the stump is going to be gone. There's going to be grass. What do you mean gone? Uh, it's going to be Well, right now, for instance, the base of the tree is at 306 and we're coming up to 310.

So, but I want to ask what is it gone mean? I know what the answer is. It'll be grinded out so that you don't it doesn't cause for a sinkhole and then you know they'll fill. But it's a it's a good because I don't want you to fill I don't want you to fill on top of a stone because it's gonna practice is gonna come right back up and I'm kind of leery as far as them ripping it up because then all the roots are going to come up and then my drive pieces of my drive come up and then eventually and we we have we have building and all them can help you with that conversation too. But but I can publicly state my opinion like let's just let's just be good neighbors as my predecessor would say have a cup of coffee with the neighbor. make sure we do the right thing and make sure he's happy.

Listen, it's it's so much easier to be kind in this world and and I've learned that as I've gotten older. Okay. Grew up in Brooklyn. Anyway, I don't want to go into that, but anyway. Um if you saw so many slides show me slides if you're growing up, I'm out of here. All right. So, anything else besides the the street conversation? No, no, no. That's all. You know, just the traffic concern. You know, my neighbors and I we're just we're going to have to hear this beeping on a Saturday morning. It's even I'm Listen, I'm in sales. It has nothing to do with it. But I leave my home. I make my own schedule. And sometimes I like to sleep till 8 9 10:00 in the morning. I don't want to hear beep

beep beep that morning with six with six other trucks in my on my block. We We can't We There's a whole code enforcement that happens. We We We don't manage that. Okay. We're not the guys to talk to. again. Again, if those guys th those guys you talk to, you know, again, if I don't bring it up, it'll always be no. I don't know if I should bring it up here now. I know. So, but but he happens to be here tonight, so he heard the conversation. So, it's a good thing for you. I just want you to I just I just want to pass a comment about the fill process. Okay. So, you're comfortable. They by by our regulations, they have to the fill that they bring has to be tested, certified,

and those certifications have to come to my office before they're allowed to bring that fill on the property. Right. So, it's going to be clean, right? So, you don't have to worry about no contaminants or no nothing. Now, let me ask you this. Is it going to be one truck at a time that's going to be coming down? I can't I I can't I don't know that. But you got you got to understand one thing. I don't think you guys once they're under once they're under our building permit, right? They have the right to work between 8 and 5:00. Okay? So, just that's the code. Okay? Everybody's got to understand we can't restrict them from working when the code says they can do that. But we won't monitor what's going on. Mark my words. We my guys will be over there to monitor. Okay. Well, that's fine then. If you have any problems, you call my office. We're there. We're there. We're there. We have We have Okay, Mr. What's your name again?

Greg. Greg. Thank you, man. Nice. Okay. I can see you're in sales. Um Um Anything else, Mr. River? No, no, no. That's all. Thank you so much for your time. Number two. Yes. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, thank you for coming out tonight, too. This is Hey, how are you? Good to see you guys again. You as well. Um, wait. How Scott? I live at 338 Jackson Avenue. 338. 338. Yeah. Right next door to Hector. Um, I was going to comment on the landfill. So, I'm not going to go back into that, but um what the retaining walls, how are they being built? Are they stone? Are they um what kind of uh is it cinder block? Is it how what you know?

Yeah. So, the the proposed walls are gravity walls uh by Cambridge. So, they're, you know, it's got the geog grid behind it. Uh, here's a cross-section of it to, you know, give you an idea of of how it's built, but, uh, basically, you know, the wall is held up by gravity by the weight of the soil. Um, you know, there's they're Cambridge blocks. You go Google Cambridge, uh, wall blocks. And, uh, I'm sure you've seen it many of times on a lot of and a lot of when you see the picture, you'll you'll recognize the wall type. Sure. And are there any renderings of the actual uh house that you guys are building? Uh not that I know of yet. No.

And then is there any relation between this piece of property and the construction uh barn? Can we give you the mic? Yeah. Sorry. And is there any uh relation between this property here and the construction barn below? I I don't believe there's any relation. I know that it was transferred ownership at one time they may have owned it but I think right now it's different uh different applicant right thank you that's all okay and we I know we have a number three

Greg Lowsky 336 Jackson Avenue um I've been there 30 This lot is going to be a very very difficult undertaking. I'm certain of because it would have been built on already had it not. There have been other people that have looked at that and decided too much work. Having said that, a slight correlary to what my neighbors have said. My biggest concern is I'm home all day as are three other residents, homeowners on that street who are not here, holiday, whatever. What is the staging going to be? You said you can't stop them from working, but my fear is eight dump trucks lined up on Jackson Avenue with the beeping ready to back up and drop off. How is that going to be managed?

We'd have we'd have to get we'd have to get a management plan uh from the from the builder and and we can we can we can restrict him to a certain extent and say he he's only going to be allowed to have like two or three trucks at a time. That's all that would fit on the street. That's, you know, but it's a it's you got to understand it's a public road also. Yeah. A truck can go on a public street in town of Mount Pleasant. You got to understand I pay taxes. Well, I do too. Okay. But I'm just saying it's going to be very disruptive. We have accepted that. Okay. We've accept I know it's a public road that they're just address the board. Come through us to him. That's probably the best way to do it because you're always addressing the board and then he hears it. Okay. So, you want me to speak to you? Yeah. Okay. So, it's a small street.

Yeah. He's saying three or four trucks. There's six houses. That eliminates us getting in and out of the driveway. I don't want to My My wife has very bad health concerns. There could be a time I have to rush her up to Valhalla Hospital, which I have done in the past. I don't want to have to come out and ask some guy to move the truck cuz I can't make the turn. I can see that happening. They're going to line up on the street. They're not going to park in the shell station, go one at a time, come up, drop the load, listen to the backup, and the noise pollution will be horrendous. I understand we have to live with that. I understand that, but I want to know what's going to happen with the staging. That's what I want to know. And that's something we we don't manage here. That would be a building department issue. We we

we don't we we wouldn't have them they wouldn't be permitted to park in front of driveways while they're there. No. Absolutely. And and like any project like this, there's a what's called a construction management plan. They'll put it together. It gets reviewed by cell's office and it documents all of those things. Oh, you're sweet. That's the big governor. Yeah. So I've heard so so s will will have control over that plan.

You're you have every right to say hey S make sure these issues are taken into consideration. So that becomes part of the construction management plan and he's not going to want S coming out to the property every day when you're calling S because there's a problem. So usually a developer will work with the neighbors to develop a construction management plan that satisfies everybody. But yeah, there's going to be disruption, there's going to be noise. That's I we understand that. My concern is the staging of the trucks on the street. It's a narrow narrow street. It's a good point. So, if they're going to come up and one's waiting for one to drop a load and there's two or three more, we're not getting out. It's difficult when the landscaping trucks,

it's a narrow road, come on that road that we even have to just can barely get by when they park on the road. Yeah. Hence a dump truck. And Sal's hearing S happens to be here tonight. He's aware of it too. But we have had construction where only one truck is allowed at a time or the others have to stage somewhere else. They find a parking lot at the supermarket to wait till they come or whatever it is. So that's part of the plan. It's not random or or happen stance. It's thoughtful and we can participate in that all the better. We can document that in our process though to some shape or another.

Okay. Thank you for coming out tonight too. Okay. Okay, so that was number three. Any questions or comments from board members? No questions or comments. Let the record show there's no further comments or questions from board members. Um Pat, how are we doing with staff? Uh we're okay with this s. Uh Dave signed off on this at the last meeting, I believe. So we're all good to go. They've addressed all the outstanding issues. So you can you can close the public hearing and direct

just so for so the public knows we don't have any comments or questions at this point because we've already kind of beat it up previously and this is what he's got now is the result of all of our input along the way. It's not like he just showed up tonight. We're like good to go. So we previously on the plan's been modified significantly. Okay. So all right. So, we do have a public hearing that is open. We need to make a decision. What do you want to do with that public hearing? I'd make a motion that we close the public hearing. Motion from Eileen. I second it. Second from Steve. Walter. I. Jane. I. Eileen. I. Steve.

I. And I from me. Okay. So, the public hearing is now closed. Now, we need to make a decision. What do we do with the application for steep slopes? And that's all we're hearing tonight. It's it's not a site plan. um uh issue other than steep slopes. Correct. So what do we want to do with the steep slopes application? I make a motion to direct the preparation of an approval resolution for steep slopes permit. Motion from Eileen. Second. Second from Jean. Walter. Hi. Jean. Hi. Eileen. I Steve I and an I from me. Okay. So we are good to go. Thank you very much. Thank you for and thank you for coming out tonight.

Okay. Next up, we have a brand new application. New application one Maple Street, subdivision of one lot into two for the development of a single family dwelling. Application subdivision number PSD26-3. Location 1 Maple Street, Vahala, section block number is 117.11-4-14. Zone R10, owner Vernelio Guacamo. Oh, and I forgot the last piece of applicant architect is John Anastio. I probably didn't say the name right. Nice to see you. Oh, that's right. I should have remembered. It's nice to see you.

It's probably the easiest name you'll have to remember. That's right. Okay, sir. You state your We already know your name, but state it for the record and all that.

My name is John Nastu. Um, good evening everyone. I'm the architect. I'm here on behalf of the owner and the proposed project is to subdivide subdivide their existing lot. Uh the lot is situated at the intersection of Maple and Columbus Avenue. And the owners in their future planning ultimately would like to divide the lot into two lots for their two children. There's one lot on the existing house and the strategy is to keep one of those houses on one of the lots and then the second lot would be for the construction of a second house for their second child. Um what I'm indicating here is how the two lots would be divided and I have the zoning table associated with each lot. in lot number one that has the existing house. There would be a setback required for the rear yard. This lot fronts on Maple. It also uh fronts on Columbus, so it would be a corner lot. I've indicated all the setbacks from the street and to the yards. So, I'm indicating that a rear yard uh variance is um required. In addition to that, there's a mean width uh requirement that also requires a variance for lot number two, which has access off of Columbus Avenue. Um, this doesn't really require any variances. There is an issue with the mean lot width. So that theoretically would require a variance as well. But aside from that, it meets all the

setback requirement or the yard setback requirements from associated property lines. And this outline just indicates a potential proposed development um with the required side yard setbacks and the rear yard meeting all those requirements. And it also indicates a proposed driveway. And where is that pro? Is it on Columbus or or the uh the other road? The driveway. The driveway entrance. Columbus. The driveway entrance would be off of Columbus Avenue. Yeah, that's that. I thought I read that. Okay. That's a busy busy road. It is a busy road.

Why Why are we doing Columbus on that? Is there any frontage at all on the other street or No. Yeah. Well, this it's a corner lot. It has two fronties. The other lot with the existing house. The challenge is the applicant's objective is to preserve the existing house. So that's why he needs the variances. That's why the lot has that sort of L shape and that's why he's ch he's chosing choosing to create that second drive.

Yeah, this drawing probably more clearly shows the intent. Here's the entire lot. The existing lot with the green property lines. This shows the divided lots. It's a corner. The existing lot's a corner lot. Here's Columbus. And here's Maple. And there's this is an existing house. So, this lot line has a little bit of an L-shape to it. So, this would be one lot and this would be the second lot. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. It's a little bit That's how I describe it. It's a little bit like a jigsaw puzzle. In addition, you've shown the yard setbacks on the lower lot with the existing house. So, we can see where the encroachment is into the rear yard setback.

This would be the encroachment of the rear yard setback. Supposed to be down where the red line start cuts through the house a little bit where it's supposed to lower the yard setback. The rear yard setback there should be. You've shown a building envelope in a dashed red line where the where the house lies outside of that. The blue line the blue line is the house line here. Yes.

So from this new property line the setback would be 13.4 ft. On this side it would be 16.6. So these setbacks as sides they meet the requirement. And then over here, which is off of Columbus, it's 67.3 feet to the house from Columbus. It has an existing 32 ft setback from Maple, which meets the requirement. So, as far as as far as I can tell, or as far as I interpret, the only setback that's needed is for the rear yard here. In addition to looking at the mean mean depth requirement, what I think Mr. clearly outlined in his memorandum. He outlined the mean depth that I have to look at as a variance and the mean width for the lots in addition to the one that I've already identified which is the rear yard setback for lot number one.

It's it's atypical of what the board historically likes to do with these regular regularly shaped lots. I mean it's there's a some concern that I have personally of emptying it on to out onto Columbus Avenue number one and we're creating a unique situation here with um pretty much non-standard appearing a lot. It's not not standard in terms of a legal definition, but more of it's not matching the rest of the community in that area that that area specifically. They're they're all very linear lots in that community. And here we have this jigsaw piece happening. So that's just my first blush comment. Doesn't mean anything in terms of anything else. But the driveway is definitely a concern emptying out onto Columbus Avenue because it has gotten very very busy on Columbus Avenue over the years.

And those cars are coming out backing out on Columbus Avenue. And you you don't even have a a turn a turnaround there, do you? On on that house. Not at the moment, but we could add like a little hammerhead in the driveway this way and it enables the car to kind of like do like a K turn. So this way they're coming head out onto Columbus, which is probably better. Yes, Mr. Chairman, just to be clear, Columbus Avenue is a county road. The county department of public works will issue a curb cut permit or comment about the adequacy of that driveway.

Yeah. And not only that though, if if even if they do do that for the site plan conversation, I think you need a K turn or something there because that's for the people who live there already. They don't have much of a choice of the house as a house. But backing out on Columbus is not a great idea. If it were a minor street, different story, people back out of their driveways all the time, but Columbus is a major road. Yeah, no objection to that. I actually think it's a good idea and I could amend the plan for next time to show a K turn. It's better. I've I've done a couple of other projects on Columbus and I recognize the challenge there. Yeah.

But when you come in for a site plan, that's going to be a straight building permit. It won't come to us, right? So any condition that we might want about a turnaround area should maybe be included if an approval is granted. Yeah. Okay. And I I did receive the memorandum from Mr. Clearary. So, we are starting, my engineer and I, we are starting to address some of the comments and one of them was reaching out to Westchester County Department of Public Works for access from Columbus and also recognizing sighteline distances.

What if what if they say no that as a as a possibility? What if if they come back and say, you know what, we don't want you doing and then we think it's not a good idea. What do you do based on the current configuration? you know, without me studying it any further, I don't particularly see another option unless some sort of easement perhaps is given from lot one to lot two for access off of Maple. That that did cross my mind as well.

So, the county has options, the applicants limiting their options. So, the county can say just stay off our road. You have a different road. You're choosing this configuration because you're preserving the existing house. So, the county The other thing to bear in mind is there's a lot going on AC on on this road and you know the activities across the street. So I think the county is going to be critical about this. I don't know. We have to hear what they have to say, but they're going to be cautious about this and it wouldn't be shocking if they said just stay off our road. You have a different you have a second frontage make it work in that location. So that's a possibility, John, but we won't we can't speak for the county. Who knows?

I mean it is a constrained lot. I mean, it's an it's an it's an oversized lot, but it's also constrained in terms of its location and and um and there's some variances needed anyway, right? To based on the configuration that we're going down the path, you're putting yourself in a situation, we have to get some variances. You have to get the state, I'm sorry, the county to to sign off on going into the into the Columbus Avenue. So this plan is you're putting a couple hurdles before you that if you had another another option, you wouldn't have to go through.

Well, it's challenging and I think the challenge is because as it's been stated, we're trying to maintain the existing house on lot number one. And part of making the subdivision as as legal as possible, having 10,000 square ft per lot and keeping the house there, it does become a jigsaw shape. And I recognize that um if the house were not there, it would be a little bit different because then the lot line division could be more straight. But the fact of the matter is we're trying to maintain the existing house. So I and again I'm just thinking out loud here. Yeah.

Um if we go to Westchester County and they disallow um the curb cut driveway off of Columbus, I mean there is precedent for it. There are other driveways that are off Columbus. Yeah. But they've been there for 50 years. They've been there forever. I recognize that. Yeah. Then I what I see is creating an easement with lot number one that allows access to lot number two from Maple. What is what are by the way? What are the those those boxes to the left and the right of the house in the back? Those are the storm tech for storm water management. It was just showing how we would deal with storm water management.

You don't have to do anything with with the new house with the old house with storm water management. So it depends. Dave's going to comment on that. So they're obviously dealing with the new house, but sometimes the condition may be exacerbated with respect to what's going on on the existing home. So Dave may want some storm water. There's nothing there today because we're looking at because we're looking at the entire site now at this point. Looking at the entire site, right? Because obviously I've said it a couple times here. Just Google Mount Pleasant flooding and you'll find a bunch of videos and articles that you can see flooding is happening. I don't know if there's flooding over there or not, but this board historically has begun to take seriously the the flooding going on. So, that's something we probably need to double click into as well.

And just an aside, Mr. Chairman, so preserving an existing house is generally a good thing. It's it's a green building measure to preserve an existing house as opposed to building new buildings. So, the philosophy behind preserving the existing house, they have to take off a porch, I think, or a sun room in the back to make it actually good. I forgot to mention that part of the existing house. So, philosophically, saving a home is a good thing, but if it results in in a substandard or an interior subdivision, perhaps you have to think it.

There's an existing sun room at the back of the house that would be removed from the existing house to give a little bit more space in creating the two separate lots. But it is an environmentally conscious trend to preserve existing buildings because then you're not reusing you're not using new resources. You're not building new. You're reusing existing resources.

You can argue it the other way too though. The new building materials are much more environmentally aware than old building materials in terms of windows and and heating systems and all that kind of good stuff. So, but I hear you. We That's when we have a drink sometime, maybe we can have a rhetorical debate on old versus new homes. I don't know. Joking for a moment, but um Okay. So, anything else from the from yourself, Mr.

Uh just a couple of other things to mention that are just part of the overall planning. Um, in terms of sanitary connection and water connection, it would come off existing lines that exist in Columbus, which I got that information from the engineering department and also the water department. And the existing house is already served off of those public lines on Columbus. So, they were not interfere with how these lots are divided. Do we And do we know how the house is going to be heated? I'm asking that question for a reason. Do we know how the house is going to be heated? Is it going to be oil or gas or

the new house? Yeah. I don't know as of this moment. The reason I asked that question is because if there's an oil delivery and now you have to do an oil delivery on Columbus Avenue. Like it's another reason we have to think about that driveway and where it goes. because obviously if a wheel tank is backing out of that driveway onto Columbus Avenue. It's it's not pretty. I get it. Another concern. Okay. Any other questions, comments from board members? No, I just the same thing about you know the K turn is great for residents but Amazon trucks, etc., etc. Like they're they're not going to be using that. And what K turns become

parking lots extra parking spots, right? Nobody surfaces. They stop right on Columbus. Yeah. Although you see them every day, but those trucks will just stop on Columbus. Not well. But the K turn itself, this where car people park their cars. No one uses a K turn in their driveway, front yard. So yeah, pros and cons and it's a design, but I think it's I think to your point, I think it's a good idea to have a K turn. Even if they end up not using it the way it should was designed, I think it's probably a method if we were to go that route, we should consider that. Great basketball. Yeah. Okay. Any other questions or comments from board members? Okay. Let the record show no questions or comments from board members.

So, Mr. Clear, where are we with this application? Mr. Anastaso has gotten a bunch of comments and I think he he can go back to the drawing board to respond comments made modifications as necessary and we still have to hear from Dave Smith still need so send them off to address our issues. Okay. What do I do in terms of I'm just asking in terms of process in terms of the zoning variances. Do I go there first? Do I continue here? Yeah. So the board will send you at some point in time when the plan gets fixed. We're not there yet. Okay. So, it's still So, I continue here at the plan board. Yep. I'm on board. Okay.

Okay. Fair question, but I've learned to defer to the experts because I've answered those questions a few times and I not always not always right. So, I just do this. All right. Thank you for not always right, but he's always the boss.

Yes. Okay. Thank you for coming out tonight. Okay. Item number four uh for 625 is 635 Marble Avenue. Renewal of a special use permit for gas station that has been adjourned for a future time. Next up is number five on the agenda. Proposed 11 Suzane Lane rear yard to make more usable family space. Application steep slopes number SS-26-4 location 11 Suzane Lane Thornwood section block numbers 107.5-3-40. Zonor Forney owner Tom Sky applicant engineers Jonathan Volani. Welcome. Thank you for coming out tonight.

Good evening. Jonathan Milani representing Jonathan Milani and Associates and Enuna De and Bani Design Consultants. We uh presented this Steve Slopes application in regards to 11 Suzanne Lane for the SEU residence. Um, it was a an application that came to me after the fact. So, they did manipulate the grades, although minor, it did affect some steep slopes. We uh represented them. We brought them to the engineering department at Mount Pleasant. They reviewed it for quite a while. We clarified some stuff on the drawings. Um and uh we get we obviously got some comments from uh Pat Liry that he wants to actually clarify some things on the drawings as well as um uh identify whether there was trees removed. No trees were removed during this process. We verified in field there's no concrete structures or drainage structures underneath the manipulated grade uh and um the engineering department already reviewed uh the plan and actually requested a soil report which we provided um and they did um discover that there's a high content of trial valent chromium which is only that you can't grow vegetation or plants in the area. So they want that to make that a stipulation of his CFO when he does receive it. They did receive a building department uh building permit regarding the new what brought this upon was a new deck structure they're going to build. So I already received uh a permit for that deck structure. Um the engineering department and building department actually conversed together and and allowed me to proceed with the deck although the you know the manipulated grade was already um performed. So

So they had a deck that came at the site and then the the town noticed that there was something going on with the slip slopes. Yeah. And that's that's why we're here tonight. Yeah, our client my client after the fact hired me, but they brought in Phil. Um, is the grading done at this point? They just have to clean it up. There will be some top soil brought in, but no additional fill. So, the grading is done at this point. What did it look like before? It doesn't look like they created an awful lot of flat area behind the house. Well, they pushed dirt around so far, so they have to have yet. They got stopped before they could even level the dirt out, but no fill be brought in. They're just going to level what's there. This reflects the pre change. Okay. Yeah. If you, as I said, if you show us pre-post, that would make it a lot. Yeah,

absolutely. It's hard to do pre-post because I came there after the fact. So, I'm I'm, you know, being relative to grades that I don't. So, they actually GM Franco in the engineering department sent me um AutoCADs of the grades that they've taken record of. So, I'll manipulate that and put that pre and post as pre and post. Okay, that's it. That's it. Okay. Any questions or comments from board members and obviously steep slope is near and dear. So is um water issues in town. You heard me before. We keep saying Google Mount Pleasant flooding and there's always flooding concerns. So any conversation of flooding on this this this wall.

So I don't think there's a flooding issue. Um, and again, you know, the engineering department's been looking at this since I don't think that's a big issue, but you, this is your permit, your approval. So, yeah, you need input from both of them before you can take any action. Yeah. Okay. So, there's really not much more we can do tonight than we need that input and then then you'll come back to us and then we decide whether we want to schedule a public hearing or not.

Oh, even after I can't get a public hearing for the next meeting? Well, I don't think so because we have it's we we don't Here's here's why explaining to you we we have to we have to have all the documents in a row to present to the public. The reason why you come to us is to make sure that all the engineering reports, the you've heard the other applications, the uh traffic studies, we present it all to the public. So, if there's a neighbor who's concerned about the steep slope or they're concerned about engineering conversations, they're concerned about anything, we have to be able to present them with something. And without those pieces of information, there's really not much we can do from a planning board perspective. As much as we want to help move people along, it's missing a key piece of information from from town staff.

Well, yeah. No, no, I understand that completely. I just would assume that that would be done already since this project's been sitting in the engineering department for quite a few months. I didn't know they didn't submit a memo or give any sort of review to anybody to, you know what I mean? So, they reviewed it. And the reason why we proceeded with this planning board is because it was constant review with them on whether or not they did manipulate over the the loted amount. I suggest you get get on the get on the phone with with them tomorrow. Okay. And ask them where we are with it and then let's move that process along. Okay. No problem. No, unless we have no no final questions right afterward. No. Okay. Thank you for coming out tonight and uh thank you for helping remedy that situation.

Yeah. Becoming part of the regular business that I'm doing now. I see. Okay. Next up is number six. Proposed two Walker Road proposed solar photo. That's a tough word to say together. Solar photo voltaic. Did I say that right? No. Okay. Thank you. Let Thank you for saying that.

I can see the other words though. Panels installed on the roofs of the UV treatment building of the generator building using a rack and rail system, underground electric and equipment pad. Application site plan number PSP 26-3. Location two Walker Road vala section blockout number is 116.16-1-2 zone 8 MO2 owner department of water um and GE and application engineer is Amar Resco and Steven McDonno I think those are one of you one of those two guys

no um my name is Shauna Hearn from Couch White we're the attorneys for Amoresco uh with me is Steve Mcdana from Amoresco um the uh developer of the proposed project. Um, as I think everyone knows, the site is owned by uh D. It's a water treatment facility. Um, the proposal is for, uh, what I would consider a relatively small or minor, um, rooftop solar development. Um, uh, Emoresco's proposing, I think, Steve, I think the other end of it out of the TV. Um, Amoresco is proposing to install U. Maybe not.

Carolyn to the rescue. Carolyn's going to save us. The remote on the table behind you. That's why I always said we need to have somebody here who's like 12 years old. It'll be done in two seconds.

Ah, there we go. Perfect. Um, so like I said, um, Amaresco is proposing a, uh, relatively small, um, rooftop facility on two of the water treatment buildings. Um, we submitted a detailed application. Um, detailed, uh, narrative. Um, I think it's a pretty low impact, I guess I would say, project, right? We're utilizing existing existing structures. Um, I do know it's a a busy site. We did meet with uh S and Pat on that. Um, I know there's going to be uh some coordination issues that we're going to have to make sure we work through. Um, we did get Mr. Clearary's uh memo. I think the only thing outstanding was a question on the height. Um, it took us a little time to research that. Um, so we do believe based on the definition of building height in the code that uh we would be under the 40 foot limit. Um, putting these panels on top. Um I believe the addition of the panels is six to eight inches, right? So um we should have plenty of room. Um I guess Pat, the question I have for you is what do you need uh from us to show you that

cross-section and elevation just to verify the heights. Okay, that's all. Okay, small. Um uh I think Pat's memo laid out pretty well the uh approval process. We need um type two for seekers. So, we don't have any any review there um because we're reusing um existing rooftops. Um there's really no draw on parking. I like I said, I think the biggest hurdle we have to work through is the coordination with the existing construction work that's going on on site. Okay.

Yeah, this is a little unusual in that the facility itself is a special permit use that's issued by the town board. So you grant site plan approval for this when there really is there's not many site issues. There's one small um transformer that's lands on the ground. Everything else is on the roof. So there really aren't many site plan issues, but the town board has to grant a special permit for a um a watershed supply facility use. And there's certain standards I've identified them in the member. They comply with all of them. They comply with the OB2 zoning requirements. So fully compliant in every way, no issues. It's procedural and as as you heard, it's just the coordination of how they build this while they're also building a

So we don't have any other eyes or T's to dot and cross. It sounds like Yeah. The only question I have for you is how do you say that word? I got to know. Photovoltaic. Photovoltaic. Okay. Because you said he said how to say it right. I think I was pretty close. You were pretty close. Okay. Okay. Um, any final questions, commerce board members? What is this powering?

Yeah, it's a front of the meter. Sorry, this is Steve Mcdana from Amaresco. So, it's a front of the meter system. Um, it's basically going to offset. It's going to generate credits that the facility will use. I believe it's roughly, it's less than like 10% of the facility usage. So we'll be um the power will be going out to the grid but then the credits that the solar project um generates will create credits that will be cost savings on the bill for the catell wastewater treatment facility. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else?

Okay. So we have something on the agenda. Um let the record show there's nobody else who has any final comments or questions from the board. Uh we've conferred with our consultant. We think they've done everything they need to do and are ready for public hearing. It's the pleasure of the board if they decide to schedule a public hearing or not. That's the issue. So, so that's a board decision and if the board entertains a motion, we can we can go through it. Make a motion we schedule the public hearing. Motion from Steve. Second. Second from Eileen. Walter. Hi. Jean. Hi. Eileen. Hi. Steve. Hi. And I for me.

And just a note on procedure because the use is not permitted until the town board grants the special permit. You can make your way to the town board whenever you want to to do that. You don't have to get referred. Conceivably you could grant site approval conditioned on that. So the timing really doesn't matter too much, but there's no reason why you can't. Thank you for coming out tonight. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, next up is 28 Country Club Lane. The structural stabilization of an existing failed slope as well as the construction of a new single family residence which has been designed to better fit with the existing topography of the site. Application steep slopes SS26-3. Location 28 Country Club Barliff Manor section blockout number is 104.15-1-31. Zone R20 owner and applicant David Yun and Michelle Yu engineers Daniel Collins Hudson Engineer architect res for prefabs w you were Mr. Collins

no u my name is Joseph Bergie good evening I'm the owner's repres Industries yes we've been working with uh Mr. Un and Mrs. you for about a year and a half on this project. Um, with me here tonight is Abdul Aiz Ysef from Hudson Engineering. Welcome guys. And uh, Robert Lumps, lead architect on the project. The only ask I have is a small ask. Whoever's speaking just speaking to the mic. We actually we actually have people who watch us. So Oh, okay. Yeah. Family at home, actually. Okay. I want to say I bought his widow's house. It's actually a pleasure to be here.

I know exactly where it is. you do you okay I don't know if that's a good or bad thing I'm calling that out on the corner yes sir okay uh

so we we are here seeking the planning board's approval before you related to the steep slope disturbance coordinated site plan for this property um following the October 2023 retaining wall and slope failure the site was temporarily stabilized and then evaluated through multiple rounds of engineering and planning to develop a permanent solution Um the application before you includes coordinated grounding, drainage, permanent slope stabilization via soil nails, restoration of the disturbed sloped area together with the top of slope site layout that interfaces with it. The plans and sections in the package illustrate the relationship pretty clearly. We have a pretty comprehensive package. We're happy to answer any questions the board has. I'm going to turn it over quickly to Abdul Aziz. He's going to answer anything civil, drainage, erosion control related. Robert can answer anything building related and anything slope stabilization geotechnical I can speak to. We also have our um town s

building inspector. Building inspector. I just call you S because everyone knows S. Everybody knows me and I blank for a second. He also is going to u incorporate some conversation because he brings a lot of background knowledge to it. Yeah. Thank you. How you doing, S? Thank you. H good. Just before they get started, um um I want to just give you a Do me a favor. Can you just go to the mic because people actually watch us? Even his voice that don't work. Oh, that. All right. Thank you.

So, I just want to give the board a background about what happened here and why the applicant um is here for the steep slope permit. Um we had a very very severe landslide um that occurred behind this house on 28 Country Club Lane. The original the original property in the back was completely filled in with fill and series of three retaining walls, stone retaining walls were stepped down. Okay, now you got to understand this property overlooks the Hudson River and the Metro North tracks. There's four lanes of tracks on the bottom side of this property. Okay. On Metro North land. When the slope failed by on its own, it failed. Okay. Everything walls, landscaping, trees, and thousands of yards of fill slid down and covered four lanes of Metro North's tracks. Okay. It was a very severe a very severe slide at the time. I got there very fast. And um besides the the massive amount of uh first responder um you know uh response PD Mount Pleasant police, Metro North police, fire department, Archville Fire Department was there. Um, we had um gotten on scene and uh we noticed that the ground I have a picture of it actually. The ground was still moving when I got there that day. And I have a picture of a of the the the top of the grade of this hill slide in the back of this property with a gap of about 8 to

10 in wide as the hill was still moving down. It was still collapsing after all of that thousands of yards went down onto the tracks. So, at the time I I got a hold of the owner on the phone and I told him what happened and he was in the city and I said, "You need to get here right away." Um, and he proceeded up at the time of the incident with everybody there. Um, we had a very serious problem because Metro North was shut down, no train action. A matter of fact, a train just passed that property and the con the the train conductor in the rear car saw the hill slide down over the tracks after it passed. It could have been a disaster. So, as as massive as this slide was, okay, it created a a very very big problem for for really for Metro North and the owner because now he his his backyard was completely gone. So, I I told the owner that I was bringing in an emergency piece of equipment, which we did, and we continued to remove the remaining part of the hill that was sliding down, and we got it to a semi-stabilization. Now, at that point, I told the owner that we need to have a geotech engineer here to examine what we're doing. Besides the fact that we had to coordinate the removal of the material, all of the fill and the rock walls and everything that were on the tracks.

Yeah. We had to remove that with Metro North's contractor on the rails. So it was it was days of um con not construction but removal time that between the the Metro North contractor on the rails and our contractor that I called in to remove all the material off so that we can get the tracks open. Well, come to find out, after we did remove all the dirt, the rails had had shifted, which means that they had to come in and they had to put new rails in before those tracks were able to open up. It was a very serious problem. So, this is this was two years ago when this happened, a year and a half ago. All right? And uh um it's kind of um it's a it's a it's an issue. I've been on this since day one. I've been working with uh with with him from Remis uh from day one with this whole issue. Um and at the time after we got all the material moved and I was the Metro North was satisfied with that part. We got all the material moved back towards his the 28 country club laden property which actually isn't his property. It's Metro North's property.

That's right. That's right. Okay. The only you're going to see they're going to show you that the sleep deep steep soul permit that they're asking for is only for a very small north southern portion of the land that he owns. Okay. The rest of the majority I'm going to say 90% of this hill is Metro North's land. That's right.

Okay. So the owner is now going to present to you for the steep slope that they're going to re restore his part of the land and Metro North part of the land with this um with this system. Okay. So just to let you know what happened after the fact that we cleaned the tracks. the geotech engineer came out and and he worked with the contractor and recommended a temporary stabilization because I was worried about a massive rainstorm removing this material again and sliding it right back on the track. What we did was we built a we built a uh with the stone we built a a drywall on the bottom to hold the dirt back and the geotech engineer guided the contractor that I called in for the owner capital demolition and we stabilized the slope. So at today's point the slope is stabilized to the geotech engineers satisfaction and my satisfaction. Okay. So now we're at a year and a half later and working with them. Now we we we have to get this project on the on the move and get it done so that we can get this thing stabilized permanently so there's no issues. And I think Metro North is a very big part of it. Um what what what what happened here. Uh so I'm just giving you a background about how this all happened.

That's right. Thank you, S. Thank you very much. Spot on. One second. So, really quick, you know, I have an expression. Allow the presence of God to disrupt you, right? You had your day was completely disrupted because of what happened that day and and a testament to your staff and to your team for doing what you did and got getting involved and helping coordinating the solution and all of that. Thank you. So, and thank you for coming out telling me that. Was it raining that day? I'm just curious. Was a It had rained prior to before the incident happened. Um the the at the time when we when we responded it wasn't raining uh but it had rained previous before that. Um and uh just to let the board know also um uh the president of the MTA showed up

Yeah. at the scene u with a couple of cops guarding her and I I get to I got to met meet her and she commented on the response that I got from getting a contractor on board right away. And I told her at the time, "We're going to do everything we have to do to help the owner get the get the tracks rectified and opened up with the contractor to whatever extent we had to do it. We were going to we were ready to work 24/7 and I probably left that scene at 12:00 that night." Yep. And you'd be very very shocked to see what a a real landslide looks like. And you woke up that day. You didn't plan that. So I didn't I didn't plan to do that. No. No, no, I didn't not disrupt. You'll say one more time.

I was there I was really there for the homeowner. I was I was really there for the homeowner to help him out. He was he was kind of shocked and stunned what happened. Um and if you want to hear my recommendation, whatever whatever procedure you have to go, I um you know, I'm I'm highly recommending that we that we the board grants this steep slope permit so we can get this uh this thing done and rectified for good.

Okay. Thank you for sharing your story. Yeah. Thank you. So, uh, I just want to um, and second what S said, the the owner um, our owners, they brought in a crackshot team of consulting. There's 10 firms who have put together this multiple iterations to land on what you're about to see. Um, big names MRCE, Musa Rutled, right? They they designed the uh, the soil now solution. GeoDesign is the geotech on the job. Um Colin and Simpson was involved in boring soil testing. We have answers for anything any questions that you have. We've studied this for as Sal said a year and a half. So happy to uh turn it over to Abdul Aiz so he can show you what's going on.

Thank you. You just pull that right out.

All right. Good evening members of the board. Uh my name is Abdul Aziz Yusf, project engineer from Hudson Engineering. Um, just to follow up on the presentation, I'm just going to show a quick uh video of the of what the project is going to look like. I think that'll give the board a good sense. Um, let me just play that. So, this is what it's this is what we're proposing. The the yellow is the slopes that we're going to be stabilizing. And again, a lot of work has been put together to make sure that's actually a feasible design. And you can see it's all within every setbacks. There are no variances uh needed with any of the property line setbacks.

The red line on the bottom of that slope is your property line, right? Yes. Yes. Correct. Other side of that is the cross. Yes, that's correct. That's correct. And the yellow again, that's the extent of the slope civilization. We lost it. where that red line. Okay. So, as S said, 90% 80 90% is MTA property. This little triangle, that's the owner's property. Yet, he's graciously voluntarily putting the bill. You don't have you don't have a picture of the site the way it sits today, do you have a picture of that? Anyway, anyway, just just as I explained, um

to the board, this this this whole slope from the top to the bottom, there was three walls here and this was filled up with thousands of yards of fill. This whole slope, if you could imagine, went straight across the tracks. I remember the news. Yeah. Covered the entire Metro North track. Yeah. And that's thousands of yards of material. Catastrophic failure. I remember I remember the news and the images. You read it in the paper.

And that's that's the that's what it's literally slid all the way across the tracks. And that's there's thousands of yards of material that came out of there that was u you know that was that was part of the issue. The uh Google Earth image of the Yes. the slope before the wall before the landslide that was a whopper of a wall and like three walls and when I saw that I was like holy smokes that went down but I'm also wondering about the adjacent neighbors and the slopes on their property like this seems very well contained to just 28 but what does it mean for that guy on the right there you know

so we're day what we call daylighting into them we're not going to be affecting them whatsoever. Um the you see the limits of disturbance. It's about 12,000 square feet, but it ends on it's it's a tough site. It's like the the property line the way you see it there. We're what we're trying to do, right? The bottom line is we're trying to restore the existing topography of the land before 20 years ago when that wacky

three tier wall was built. So we want to restore and part of Robert's idea was restoring the original topography of the landscaping such that there was no need for any crazy slope stabilization. We're still going a few steps further than that because it is a excessively steep slope as uh sorry Rob Lunts from resolution 4. So, the idea, the overall is to marry into the the slopes on either side so that we're not impacting the neighbors on either side and we're and the uh and and the slope just naturally goes into the existing slope of the neighbors,

right? Are are we talking to the neighbors already? Yes. My So, my partner, my boss, Robert, is uh personally knows So yes, everybody's on board in that call the second area. Okay. Because they very much so because they're going to become aware if we schedule public hearing. So I want to I want to know I want to be prepared. Do they know or not know at this point? Yes. Yes, sir. Okay.

Also, just to let you know, Metro North did uh engineers did a um an engineering analysis on all of the walls on that on that line going down every resident's backyard. They did a complete engineering analysis on everybody's wall and if they found defects, they were notifying them by by letter that they have to fix them. Okay. Yeah. Because of what happened here. Yeah, that's a good thing.

Right. So, now we're just going to go over the general plans what we submitted to the board just so you're worth the uh project in its entirety. Um this is an existing conditions plans where the proposal is to demolish the existing dwelling uh in addition to the slope stabilization of course um the driveway, the pool and patio and replace with a new single family residence. Um here you could see uh it's just like the video. We're going to have the proposed dwelling. You have your driveway. Um we're proposing as far as storm water to capture and infiltrate all the impervious area into the ground. Um designed up to the 100redyear storm event. Um so that's this basically we're citing the cultex in this area and some over in this over here as well. Um as far as sediment erosion control um we're proposing series of silt fences, erosion mats, uh erosion rolls all throughout the entire phase of the project. This is uh inclusive of the uh slope stabilization and the construction on the property. Um other typical uh standards are also being met with construction entrances, soil stock piles and you know other practices. And again, this is just showing you the extent of the steep slopes. You could see that a majority of the slopes is on uh MTA side uh of the project, but you know, the client is going above and beyond to stabilize the entire uh entire slopes.

Can I just point out, Mr. Chairman, that we have all the documentation of the license agreements and the permissions from the MTA to allow them to do that. Okay. Good. Thank you. Yeah, MTA is pretty thorough. Thanks. Yeah. Did you guys have to set up a a force account with Metro North? Yes. Would you need work trains and then track outages to do this work?

So, no track So, no track outages um are required and they believe limited supervision. um they've quoted about 50,000 worth of labor, but somehow that turned into 132,000 with their markup. So, we're not too happy about that since we're footing the bill for the actual slope stabilization 80% on their property. Yet, they're hitting us with with this, but we are in proximity to we're keeping a a strict 20 foot hard barrier offset from the railroad. Um, and part of the submission was our engineered logistics and work plan, showing exactly where how we're phasing logistics, where the uh material is going to be, where the equipment's going to be, equipment cut sheets, equipment anchoring. So, we we've really come at it from every angle. But, uh, Metro North definitely, you know, gave us a run for our money there. Literally.

Flagmen aren't cheap. No. No. So, uh, yes. So, okay. what we see here. So, there's going to be almost 300 soil nails embedded. Can you describe a soil nail? Sure. Actually, picture like, so if you're God, right, you came down and you want and you said this slope is is loose. We we're going to put a bunch of thumbtacks in the in the slope. They happen to be 20 to 25 foot deep. They're drilled with sacrificial bits, injected grout. There'll be about inch and a half threaded bar but 4 in holes grouted and then what will happen is once

we meet the embedment and this is all done under the supervision of our geotech geo design right we have to do uh load testing and inspections test grout for uh grout cylinders for compression um what will happen is we'll break the job up into five segments we think it's going to be about six months worth of work hopefully We can do it a little quicker than that. It depends on logistics with Metro North and how agreeable they are to our durations. Um, but that said, right, perfect. What what happens is once we get the soil nail in, we're going to put an erosion control blanket, right, which is like a a vegetative slash geoabric blanket over the existing surface which still allows permeability. And then we're going to put a steel mesh almost like a fence fabric which is then locked into every nail head. Right? The nails are spaced about five to 10 feet on center. They will be locked in with a threaded they're threaded so they'll be locked in with a threaded nut and a steel plate which locks in that uh mesh which locks in the steel mesh. It'll be vegetated as well. We have a landscape uh architect, right? Uh Wagner Hodgson uh which is part of the submission. He he he put in a uh I think it's a fescue. Um he has he has it actually well documented in there. So it'll be a vegetated slope.

Yeah. Right. Um again, it's about 12,000 square feet. So once that's done, I mean it's not going anywhere. Yeah. Not not not for a very long time. Plus, we're regrading the slope. So, it's it's uh What will the grade be? Still going to be up there. It's about 70%. It's about 1.4 to one. Yeah. And and that's after lowering the grade. We're actually lowering the top of slope elevation so as to help the issue even more. We're lowering it about 10 feet. Actually, we're cutting behind the house about 10 feet down. And the fescue will grow on that because some grasses won't grow if it's too

steep. So he he he he chose based on that I I don't claim to be a horiculture specialist but but these guys are. So um yes and and of course they can submit um you know product data sheets anything like that that that you need. So um yeah that's that's pretty much it. It interfaces with top of slope. There'll be fall protection up there plantings. Um so you you have to get you because I was going to answer duration but you you answer the question of the duration. Yes. six months, but you need to get that checkmarked with the MTA.

They already so MTA's issued our permit, our entry permit. They're just waiting for the force account to be funded, which isn't an issue. It's just we need to go through this process before we were, you know, willing to do that. So, it's kind of immaterial, but I ask the question anyway. Why Why are we knocking down the house? Is it just a choice? It it Well, so that's a good point. We're actually going to So, why are we knocking down a house? It's a It's a I guess that's a that's owner's discretion, right? He's he's going to be building a new house.

We're actually going to be demoing the house. We think it's better to demo the house while we're grading and doing slope stabilization, but keeping the existing foundation in place to act as sort of a temporary retaining wall. And we're going to take that down um when it makes sense to do so, right? Because there's going to be a lot of grading, a lot of earth work going on behind the house. So, keep the foundation there while demoing the house itself. So, if I could you can sort of go you can sort of see here the uh where the contours start to fall off very quickly and it's almost up. It's went into the back patio of where the existing house is.

So, I mean essentially their whole sort of rear area is gone and a lot of that is is fill material that really needs to be removed anyway. So it kind of forced the issue for them of removing the house because the house, the pool, this is all on what we now know is not very stable fill that happened whenever the the house was expanded and and uh you know before the owners purchased the property. Yeah. The mid 2000s

that the wall all that construction happened. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that person's around anymore, but they they created a big problem. How long have these guys lived here? They've actually never lived in the house. They bought it a year before the uh never lived. They were renting it out, right? Yes. They were renting it out. Yeah. It was during the the sort of end of COVID and trying to figure the whole thing out. Yeah. But we have to we have to correct the situation there anyway at some point, right? He's eager to he he is very eager to. Yeah. I I don't blame him. What's the cost about slope work? The slope work is pro we're thinking around 1.3 1.5.

Just gives you we but that's like I mean we're projecting force account everything you know actual construction's like just under a million. We think

it's a good chunk of money at the end of the day. Okay. And I guess the other thing that's going to come up if you do eventually come to to a public hearing is the traffic related to construction traffic which we would have to be ready to answer that question. Not answer asking you to answer that question tonight but I think that may come up as if we do schedule schedule a public hearing at some point. I can address that. We we our hope our our our plan was to minimize that by performing the cut that initial big cut and load out very early on because it's something that we can do across the entire slope at once and get that out of the way in a compressed consolidated schedule so that over the six months of the project we're not constantly trucking and trucking and trucking.

You're coming in from the bottom or the top? The top. There's actually a hard barrier at the toe of the there. You can't get from the bottom. You have to go from the from the top where the existing driveway is. That's how we got in to retain the Oh, you got no idea. Holy smokes. And it's really nice. You left us a nice bench though. Going to go down the hill was the ground swing. That's how close it got. Which is being removed by the way. Yeah. I wouldn't want to swim in that. Okay. Any other questions or comments or board members? disappearing. And to your point about the Yeah. To your point, Mr. Chairman, about the construction part of it, we're in a culde-sac. Yeah.

It's large, a very large culde-sac. And we do have a lot of room in the middle of the culde-sac. If we had to stage a truck or something like that, no interference with any driveways for the neighbor next door. Okay. So, there's quite a bit of room back in there down in there. That question seems to come up more and more often, construction concerns. So, but we we'll get the question. ready for the answer. That's all. Construction plan. Okay. Anything else?

Just one other thing. The the house as designed, just to put it on the record for you guys, is completely within the setbacks and it's zoning compliant in every way that we know about. Um it's under the height. It's lower than the existing house that was there. And um and and it's a twostory house um on a basement and and so it's uh it's it's not it's completely heightwise, are wise compliant. Yeah, that's that's that's outside the scope of what we're because you're here for the steep slope. So it's interesting

and I like to hear the the stories, but uh I'm I'm trying to remember to keep to the script, which is we're here for specifically of the steep slope. I I I fall off this corrupt sometimes. My family tells me the same thing. Yeah, me too. I I I've got the same disease. Okay. Anything else? Unless you have more questions. Not for me. Anybody else? Yeah, that's that's good situation to get remedied. So, okay. So, we need to get something from Metro North at some point, right? So, no, Metro North has already given them the okay and the permit to do the work. Okay. So, that moving this as quickly as possible is So, can I make a motion to schedule a public hearing?

You certainly can. Uh, Kylen. Oh, I said it's late in the day. Do I have a second? Yes, we do. I'll second it. Second there. Okay. Okay. Walter. Hi, Jane. Hi. Arlene, I Steve, hi. And I for me, thank you for coming out tonight. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank Enjoy your holiday. Are we done? Yeah, we're done.