Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Town of Mount Airy Planning Commission meeting for the month of April at 7:30. I call the meeting to order with the pledge of allegiance. Please rise. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisibley and justice for all. As always, I thank uh those in the public that have taken the time in their evening to come and join us tonight and also to those that are participating via live stream uh from the Carol County Media Center and thanks to them for providing that service. Um our first order of business on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from our last meeting which was March 31st, 2025. And as I always do, I'll pause for a moment before I'll take a motion for either approval or disapproval. And then after a second, we just can discuss any edits or additions to the minutes before us. I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve the minutes of March 31st town planning meeting. Do I have a second? I'll second. Uh, Commissioner Buts is a second. Any discussion on the minutes, edits, or changes recommended, typos? Seeing and hearing none, all those in favor of the motion, please say I. I. Any opposed? The minutes are approved unanimously, and I'll sign at the end of the meeting. Thank you, Deborah. Uh the next part of the agenda, as always, we allow time for citizens who are here tonight to make public comments. uh we try to steer and guide those comments into items or um of interest that are not on the agenda tonight. Uh when we get to the items on the agenda tonight, then of course I

will do my best to remember to allow the public to offer some comments. But again, this is the time for citizen comments on items not included on the agenda. Is there any interest in the audience tonight to make public comments? Once again, any interest to make public comments? Seeing none, I am closing the citizen comments portion of tonight's agenda and moving on to reports from both Carol and Frederick County. Um, our Carol County planner is still in vacancy and uh they are actively up in Westminster uh trying to fill that position uh since um Hannah Weber left us some months ago. Uh but I believe uh John, correct me if I'm wrong, you're still in discussions with them and they still provide us information. Correct. And there is a a report from Carol County uh in your packet basically talking about water and sewer, an update from Andrew Gray, a housing study from Tiffany and some text amendments that are moving forward through Carol County and of course their annual report as well. I can try to answer some questions if you have any, but if you have questions related to this, I can convey them back to Carol County. Any questions from the commissioners regarding the Carol County information? I have one quick note I'll offer to the commissioners and to John and that is I have been contacted. This is in regard to the very top portion where it speaks of uh housing study and uh the efforts for them to uh draft a new master plan with a housing element. And so Miss Faucet um the point of contact that is in this report uh contacted me and asked if I would join the countywide effort on creating the housing element portion of Carroll County. Unfortunately, the dates that

were required for me to attend every one of their meetings to form that draft conflicted with other events that I had in my calendar. And so the reason I'm mentioning it is because if anyone here on the deis is interested, if another commissioner is interested or for that matter anyone in the public is interested, um I'd be more than happy to shoot you the information I have at hand right now, including those dates for the required meetings and um and see if we can't have somebody from the town participate. Um so let me know if there's any interest here for that. Okay, other than that, again, no questions. Then we'll move on to the Frederick County uh liaison for the planning commission and that is Miss Vanessa Moreno. How are you tonight? I'm good. Thank you. Super. Righty. Good evening everyone. Just a few updates for you all. Uh we just completed um our residential pipeline for the first quarter. Um, and just a couple of those updates. Uh, let's see. For the municipal pipeline, we have 900 9,800 units, um, in there, and that's mainly from the city of Frederick. Uh, county pipeline, we have about 4,700 um, units in the pipeline. So, countywide total, we have about 14,500, give or take. And then for our Linggonor and Eaglehead PUD area, we have um 1,700, but that's not including Cherry Run, which is slated to um be at this May's planning commission meeting um for the county. And yes, we are actually expecting quite a big turnout for that agenda item and that will be on the commission, I'm sorry, on the planning commission on May 14th. Um Specifically, specifically Cherry

Run. Yes. Gotcha. Thank you. The long awaited Cherry Run. And um another agenda item um for the planning commission is on um school 41. Um the applicant is requesting site plan approval for the elementary school located off Muser Road. Um and our staff is uh planning is will be meeting with the school naming committee to come up with the name for that elementary school. So, if anyone has any ideas, I'd be happy to send that to our staff. Um, let's see. And one last item. Um, as I mentioned last month, um, we are, um, currently working through the resoning application for the Bell Farm property, uh, which is located off of Eagertown Road. Um, and they are seeking to develop about 248 villa style dwelling units in an age restricted community. And that will be heading to the planning commission on May 21st. And those are my updates. Fantastic. Any questions to Miss Moreno regarding Frederick County? What was that date on Cherry Run? That will be on May 14th. Yes, ma'am. And and just to elaborate on Commissioner um um that's at Frederick City um Frederick County Planning Commission. So it will be located at Winchester Hall. Winchester Hall. Any other questions? And um school 41 off Musa Road, that's in conjunction with Cherry Brown. That's the new school because of the size of the dwelling units. Yes, exactly. And the I believe the developer has donated the site, right? So, yes. And that's again for those that haven't been tracking with us, this is a sizable new development in the vicinity of New

Market. Um and uh obviously this commission's focus is on all activities um development regarding Frederick County, but of course logically we're most concerned with those that are approximate to our uh western boundary of the town, New Market, Linggonor area. And so, uh, Miss Moreno has been keeping us dialed into all things that are going to expand the dwelling unit size, the population, the services of that nearby area, and we'll just have to keep an eye also on what could be the impacts, right? Absolutely. That's part of our job. So, I do, Vanessa, just have a question. What time is that? Because I know we meet here in the evenings, but most counties meet during the day. Is that nine o'clock? about we start around 9:30 and I think since that will be um we are expecting a larger turnout that probably will be one of the first items uh to be to be addressed okay on that planning commission meeting are those meetings broadcast and you can submit comments and call in as well if you wanted to in a in a live meeting you're saying yes cool and and lastly and I apologize hogging the mic on Cherry Run here, but I know at one time there was a estimate of the dwelling unit size for that. Um, and so I don't want to share it because I probably am off the mark. Do do you happen to have it? And can you share it before? Yes, I do actually. Um, I got this number off of our um what was it the agenda for next? Yeah, for the next planning commission meeting. It is about a,0 that's in our pipeline, right? Yes. Yeah. So again, just to kind of underscore my comments a moment ago, a th010 an additional elementary school if I'm not mistaken, um that is just to our west. And so um we we ought to be watching that and so

we're indebted to you for keeping us dialed in on it, Vanessa. Um any other questions to Miss Moreno? No, I Oh, sorry. Sorry. in the pipeline under new market. I is cherry Run referenced as something else. So Cherry Run is actually listed within our counties uh section of the pipeline just because we have a whole section with the Lingodor PUB area. Oh, so it's on. Okay, thank you. Yeah, of course. And I actually have um I saw on the agenda there was the last U pipeline was referenced um from December uh 2024. I do have the most recent pipeline um available if you'd like me to send that as well. Oh, okay. Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you. Fantastic information, Vanessa. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Thank you. Our next Our next agenda item is the introduction and discussion on a simplified site plan process. Um, and I'm going to begin with asking John to give us kind of the contours of what this item is and then I believe uh John will invite us to kind of chip in and contribute some thoughts regarding that proposed idea. Uh, so John. Yes. So thank you Ralph. Uh, again what's in front of you is a simplified site plan. I did title it town at Mount Air. This is the site plan that Carol County currently uses uh for review of certain uh projects that you know have a certain requirement which is previously disturbed impervious and u a maximum of 5,000 square foot of disturbance and for prime example this was something that the McDonald's could have went through or the um um I'm trying to think the TSC TSC um And again, even the one that was taken off the agenda last month,

which was the hair impressions. Uh, so, you know, my hopes are that we can possibly run that one even through this process, but also bring it in front of you guys next month possibly. Um, but again, even though, um, this isn't in our code currently, uh, it is something that Carol cany Carol County can use. So, I would be submitting that um hair impressions to them to see if it's something that would be eligible in their eyes for continuation to try to help them move along. Sure. As long as you guys are okay with it because ultimately uh this would be a safe plan that would come to you in May. I wanted to see if it was something you'd be allow allow me to go ahead and submit that to Carol County to see if it would even meet that their requirements. But but I still think it's something that um we can either put it into our code or just have the abilities to access that through u my position, but I would still be bringing it in front of you guys for your recommendations as well and approval similar to allowing to go to the building permit process is what I've done in the past, which is also another avenue. Um so and it was just here in front of you just to sort of start the communication. Um, I know if it goes to ordinance, it would have to be introduced by a council member at at a town council meeting for it to gain traction and then then it would probably be kicked to us for recommendations and then back to them, which is a process in itself. Um, so that's about it simplified. Yeah. And to underscore uh to the public that may be watching uh this u potential change to our current code to accommodate smaller size changes to an existing approved site plan. That's what we're talking about here. and we're talking about when does the threshold of changes associated with that remodeling, building

expansion, whatever that may be, when it doesn't meet the criteria stated here, um then as as a kudo to John, John has exercised on the side of caution to bring those items to us. And so that's why he gave examples of why we saw the McDonald's remodeling. We saw the tractor supply garden center addition. These were things that were relatively small and didn't require an amended site plan, but nonetheless, again, airing on the side of caution, he gave us eyes on to that uh so that we could kind of learn what things are changing within the business community, the commercial community, within the town, and give us a voice in that. And so that's that's a good partnership. And um and so now what we're trying to do is formalize something that is a smaller than amended site plan process. Did I say that properly? So that we can capture something that easily fits into a small building expansion. We're not breaking ground or impervious surface. It's less than 5,000 square feet on and on. Right. And again, it is it is impervious, not pvious surface. if it's an existing parking lot that they're expanding. Um, and then, you know, as long as it's beneath that 5,000 square ft is really the cumulative disturbance, right? And and and also, um, to underscore what John said, um, it is not this commission, it's not any volunteer commission's business to write new code, which is legislative action. that is the business of the elected council in in their deliberations. Um, and so I'm just saying that just to make aware that when that draft simplified process or whatever title it is for these smaller developments or smaller improvements

occurs, um, it is it is coming to us for another review out of the council's deliberation if if I'm accurate, Jason, uh, council member Evans, I'm sorry. And so um we'll see this again after it matures through the council deliberation and the town attorney uh who will form that ordinance accordingly uh to capture that process. Uh so with all of that um I don't know I'll open the deis here to anyone who wants to comment on what this very very beginning draft process is. I believe John you said this was the seed of this is coming out of Westminster. Yes. This is out of Carol County. I think their their code and their process. Uh again, I did modify some of this to be more tailored towards Mount Ary. Um yeah, the big the big thing is is the steps like you know typically if this was Carol County, it would be presented to the pure development review. It would be assigned a simplified number which is an SF number. Uh and then it would be distributed to all these agencies in the the town and the county for their review and comment back. It usually is a two-week process to get comments back on a simplified site plan. It sort of comes in at a different uh entry point into review. Uh it's more of an expedited review. Um but again ultimately you know I would still want to bring it in front of you sort of concurrently with uh these reviews happening and and it might be that it might happen it might take a month then for us to look at it and still get the but comments would still be coming back from all these other agencies as well. So, it's really a timing wise is when when I'd bring it in front of you guys. And it might be that maybe the preference would be to allow us to move through the simplified and maybe I bring it back as aformational and say, "Hey, this project's going through the simplified plan. If there's any

additions you want to do to that site plan or modifications to that, as long as it doesn't exceed the 5,000 square feet, it can still go through that simplified plan." Y it's just to help the businesses sort of expediting some of their minor minor revisions to their property and and and in that context and and um I'm just being totally transparent here if it falls short of the necessary amended site plan. This could be handled on one side of this argument as solely the zoning administrators review and action. You follow me? and and the town engineer as well and the town engineer and then to proceed directly into permitting for that desired improvement expansion whatever it is you know of the smaller effort on the other end of this we're involved through a official formal process to have eyes on it again to comment where necessary and to help guide the yes or no or the changes necessary with that first plan that first improvement plan. Um, so think about it. Um, if there are no comments with regard to this really beginning draft, because I reiterate, we're probably going to see this again if it matures through council, it'll it'll come back to us as you are used to for uh review and recommendations. Um, is it fair to ask, and I'm not asking for a motion or a vote, is it fair to ask that there is general approval for proceeding with such a simplified process? Is there anyone that has reservations about creating this? I have a little bit of reservation. Sure, Commissioner Bick. Um, so my my reservation is that I want to make sure that we're still seeing whatever is being requested. Sure. Um, you know, making sure that it's falling within our guidelines of, you know, signage, etc.

Because you look at several of our plazas, we have different signage size. We have different font. Like there's just we need to have some type of unity. Sure. So I want to make sure that things still come to us still regardless of this plan. That's my concern. Gotcha. Y any other input on, you know, I just wanted to comment to that. So So let's take the hair impressions for example. I was taking it in front of you guys last month to sort of you know sort of start that process to say hey is this okay if I just send it to building permit and then right then is when you would have had an opportunity to speak about it or make comments about it. It wouldn't come back to you for a concept or a final. It would just be that one uh dip of the ice cream scooper. Uh so you know it might be that we have to do that prior to going to the simplified plan where like it would be in front of you guys with with some type of elevations and plans and etc. very uh comprehensive plan drawings uh maybe 11 by7s might be adequate uh to sort of make sure we're hitting all the marks and getting your approval and then we can go to Carol County and start the simplified process. Sort of like a preliminary. Yeah, almost like a preliminary. a preliminary application right through the applicant to you uh before it would go through that simplified plan. That's so and again that would be how we would have to set this up that you know that would come to you guys first prior to distribution to um to these reviewing agencies. Sure. Y I would also want to make sure that in the general criteria we have something that is I I'm seeing under other considerations no adequate facility certifications will be required. I just want to make sure that the criteria is very specific so that we don't get into a situation where maybe there should have been a certification of adequate public facilities because

even if something even if the disturbance is less than 5,000 ft I mean it who knows I I don't there's probably many scenarios where it could affect um public facil I'm sorry adequate facilities. So I just want to make sure that we're not just handwaving on adequate facilities. Well, you make a great point because currently we have to set a waiver for any kind of development in the town. Um, I would hope like you're saying this small addition. So, again, that might be something needs to get straight as part of our review. Um, but then are we still asking for certification letters from everybody? So, if we're doing that, we might as well just do an amended site plan. Well, I think if you have the right criteria for what can go through this plan, then maybe that's okay to not have the adequate facilities. But I'm just worried that if it if the criteria for using the simplified site plan is too broad, then you could end up in a situation where, oh, gee, we should have really had an adequate facilities. Um, look, that sounds good. That's a good comment. And and Commissioner Wallace, let me I'm thinking like you in this regard. Let's say we have a business that's a pet washing business. I'm just throwing that out. I don't think we have one, so I think I'm safe in giving this example. We have a pet washing business and they want to expand because demand is there, right? And so they're going to add I don't know what you call them. Let's say stalls. They add, you know, four more stalls, right? And so to your point where in my mind preeminent in all our adequate facilities is water. Mhm. We have now something that involves water that's going to expand. In this process in concert with the simplified plan or whatever we call it, the town engineer would probably be a wise person to ask what was their previous or ex I'm sorry, what was their existing department of natural resources water allocation because every business gets a water

allocation, right? And will they be able to stay within that allocation with this additional expansion? That's that's an example I think that kind of aligns with your concern and so we would want that conversation to occur and we would want to be made aware now it looks like um you know they're not going to be able to stay within their current allocation then our reasonable response will be well how do we increase it can we increase it you know what I'm saying so so I'm I'm in alignment with your concern on adequate facilities any other input uh so what I'm what I'm hearing And again, this is not a vote is there's a general consensus. This is this is a good idea for these smaller improvements, expansions, and so forth of our of our business community. And um and we'll see it again, John. Fair enough. Yep. Is that what you need? Yeah. Just wanted to get feedback from basically this plan to see if you have any questions or concerns. Yeah. and and it it's a bit unusual because we're at this very very early stage, but as I promised at the outset of tonight's meeting, is there anyone here in the public that would like to make a comment with regard to this? Council member Demoter. I All right. Thank you. Uh Steven Deoter, uh 32-year resident and council member. So, I haven't spent a lot of time on this. I just kind of scanned through it. I wanted to offer a couple comments on it. One, in general, I'm I'm very supportive of the concept. I think in terms of, you know, working through small businesses and their their needs. Um I think we need to factor in you know the scalability of a project, the context of the project, um the size of the project and have a

process that can facilitate timely review in a in a in a simplified manner. Um so I like the concept. A couple quick comments. Um thoughts about adequacy of public facilities and things like that. I understand the need to think about those things. And again, I'm just I'm just talking out loud. I'm not saying this is how you would do it, but you know, you you could put something in here that's a qualitative statement that says, you know, a a a uh a screening for um potential adequacy of public facilities uh issues should be conducted or something like that. And the point would be the the town planner and the town engineer would would think through all that, kind of do a qualitative review, and then that would be part of the package that might come before you to show that's kind of been looked at at a high level or a qualitative level. Um, and then you all can make a judgment on that. Um, another question. Does this really need to be an ordinance in the or in in the code? And maybe it should, or should just just be a an in a town process or a town procedure that's formalized, but it has a procedure number on it. And that's your procedure, and it's an official town procedure. or maybe you don't need it to be an ordinance and be in the code, but that's that's for everybody to think through. And then the last main comment would be in informally talking with the town planner, it sounds like this general simplified process has been applied by the town for internal town projects, so to speak. So my point is there is a

little bit of a track record on this and an experience base. What I would encourage you to do is not not hold this up and in and its application until you had a formal ordinance. If this has already been applied by the town and they have experience in it, I recommend that if you have a project right now that's under consideration um that could fall under this procedure, go ahead and apply this procedure right now to that project because in many ways that's kind of a a trial use. And then the lessons you learn from running that project through this process will help inform you and allow you to write an even better procedure or ordinance if you see what I'm saying. So I guess what I'm trying to say is if you've already used this somewhere in the town and you think it's viable and this is this is a county approach then don't hold up any projects that might be in the queue. go ahead and apply it with with these thoughts in mind and then the lessons learned from that application, you can have a stronger procedure. So th those are some of my main um thoughts on this. And then lastly, and these are just little snippets, but um as part of looking at the potential reszoning of the 20 properties on South Main Street, I did my own I put my own table together to compare and contrast various zoning districts and the requirements for each, the special exceptions for each. And in that process, for example, construction requirements for a neighborhood professional actually I understand I

understand I I'm just using this as an example. Let me speak. I'm just saying in the town code you put certain curbstones in. For example, it says for construction requirements in neighborhood professional um additions to additional structures have limits on increased water usage. I think it says water usage can't be more than 10% of the current usage. It says things like no more than 25 additional daily trips in the vicinity of vehicles. So if I'm so if I may what what you're speaking of here is still related to the simplified Yeah. I'm saying process these are examples of how in different parts of the code but there are places currently written that offer limitations on change. Exactly. So with that in mind you might find some of these already in the code and say oh that that might be a good thing to put in the simplified process you were talking earlier. water usage no more than x% understood above what they have or things like that. So, okay, that's enough. Bottom line, I support the concept. Don't wait. Go ahead and apply it. Learn from those lessons and think about what it needs to be. Does it need to be an ordinance and in the code or can it be a town official procedure? Those are all for you to think about. Thank you. And and and if I is there anyone else who wishes to comment on council member Mund I'll make it a lot shorter here. I would just like to thank the uh commission here for giving their suggestions and they will be taken into consideration as we work forward on formation of this ordinance for the

town. Great. Thank you. and you will see it back hopefully shortly as we work with Tom and the other people. So, thank you. Thank you. and and um and Council Member Evans, you know, um as if if I may politely and respectfully ask as as this goes forward, um reasonable to ask that you'll just keep us informed on whether it goes to the formal ordinance code change or if it stays as just simply a new set of rules for town staff deliberation on smaller efforts, that sort of thing. So, um, absolutely. As as our, you know, as our council rep, fair to fair to kind of look to you for that, right? Absolutely. Okay. Super. Fantastic. Um, no more public comments on Do you have any comments or no? What What don't you think? Because it feels like this is a question you should be answering. Oh, personally, I'm sorry. Did Tom want to speak? Um, well, I'm just I'm just asking if we're talking about process or procedure. I'm not sure if it has to be an ordinance. Uh Tom, I re more keeping my mouth shut than running it. So, um I I I I recognize you, Tom, for whatever comments. Uh um the only thing I would say is I tend to be more of a code person if you're going to do this. I I would want it pretty formalized. Is not saying it can't work. Um not saying that there aren't situations where you have in the code by way of example you say merely you know uh that I'm using this as a hypothetical the planning commission can delegate under these circumstances the review of site plans and things like that but I just foresee um argument uh if it's not sitting there in the code black and white uh folks coming forward forward wanting or making the case that they qualify when maybe

it's debatable whether they qualify. Um that's the only the only thought I would offer on that. The code would kind of cover us. Well, it just defines uh in a very formal way and hopefully in black and white if it's written correctly. Uh you know, what are the what are the qualifications to qualify for this process? This sort of I don't know. um expedited process, if I could call it that. Um you know, just my thought. I I just I I tend to like that kind of stuff in the code and in black and white, so there's no argument what what it says and who it applies to. Yeah. And it's consistently followed. Yes. It's documented. Yes. Yeah. Okay. One more shot at any other comment. Uh this is a good thing from from Ralph Gent standpoint. Um I I can see the goodness in it for many reasons expressed here. There are some elements of it that you know we need to have in this in this new process. Um but I think we can develop something that is consistent, addresses these smaller improvements and still allows the business community to expand and it's faster than an amended site plan submission. So, okay. Um, I'm going to close this agenda item and move on to the next one, which is a discussion again on something called food truck regulations. Um, as I did before, John, if I could ask you to introduce this to us. Sure. And again, this was sort of I was concerned. I had some individuals come and ask uh about putting a food truck on a on a public parking lot and it made me think, you know, I really need to think about how we have any regulations and I really couldn't find any true regulations in our code. So, I felt like we should come through and again this is

some a draft uh from the city of Westminster that they presented to their planning commission or through their town council. Uh I'm not sure I don't think this was adopted. Uh but the thing it was just more of um a concern of I didn't want I mean food truck Monday is do doing great you know I think it it brings people downtown hopefully they're spending more money and that's the whole intentions from Mama it is a town sponsored event that's why u they're sort of doing it but I just want to I don't want it to blossom into something other than what we really want and you know should there be dur durations for food trucks you know do they have to move every 12 hours and do they have to make sure they're not in the same parking lot uh every 12 hours or two times a week. Uh so it's just to try to make sure that our brickandmortar businesses is what I'm concerned about. And and I've been approached by some of those brickandmortar businesses that they're concerned about food truck overrun and and competition where they don't have to pay the water bill. They don't have to pay the you know the lease for that property. and uh you know these food trucks and nothing against food trucks but they're they're um I think we need to think about how we regulate them or allow them or or don't allow them. I mean it's really up to ultimately the town council. Uh I just wanted to get the ball rolling so people are talking about it. We're not going to make the final decision here. We'll make a recommendation later possibly. Uh but just sort of to say, "Hey, over here, you know, uh to let people know we need to think about these items and how they're being sprung out through the town. Yeah. And and John, if I may speak first uh before I open it to the commissioners and and public comment on this, you know, this is in in Ralph Gent's world, this is the epitome of a small business, right? It is typically a mobile small business. It's typically uh

in conjunction with or their presence coordinated with the business itself to be a part of some event at that business. A celebration of a hundred years of well that's long but maybe 10 years of being in business. Um it's a long weekend event. It's an October fest. some reason the business the existing business the brick and mortar aligns with a mobile truck for adding to that you know that enterprise that event um we also have town sponsored events like we have right now food truck Mondays um and so from my perspective I don't believe we see a problem yet we're trying to get ahead of potential problems and so what do I mean by that there are thank goodness We haven't experienced safety issues with regard to food trucks. You know, some have generators which have, of course, you know, they have to run. They have noise levels. Uh they have fuel. Um we need to make sure they get parked where there's easy ingress and and access by fire EMTs, for example. Um and so on and so forth. You know, some of them have propane tanks. Is that an issue? Some of them have electrical hookups. Are they done properly? And so we we generally accept that they are in business because they have a health certificate from the county. Is that correct? That's correct. Right. So they don't even enter into our concern or review or I'm going to use the word because I don't know if we'll go to that point or inspection for various elements of safe operation. uh we don't even go into those considerations unless they have in fact a legitimate health certificate and business license. Correct. So I'm beyond that. Okay. Um if they don't have that then it's we don't deliberate any further of course but this is what this

is about if I'm correct John and do we want to simply codify in some way capture in some way the reasonable things the town should expect in a food truck operation. And I think I'll end by saying this. Food truck can now take several forms. A food truck can be a wholly enclosed, self-contained on its wheels food truck. The typical food truck. We can also see food service in a mobile sense from a trailer that opens up and provides, you know, some kind of food service through a trailer window. We also see, of course, we're all familiar with the trailer that has the large barbecue grill and folding tables around it where brisket is offered, barbecue sandwiches. So, it's the array of all that brought in by licensed health inspected vendors that I think were kind of do we need to have something because right now to reiterate what John said, there is no regulatory wording in the town regarding that commercial activity. Correct. So that's where this begins and and and again to reiterate coming off our first discussion, this now will go through council deliberation to try to put some contours to it and then if I'm accurate, it would then possibly bounce back to us for a review and recommendation for any refinement if that's fair. Um so John, am I accurate in everything I've said? That's correct. Okay. So, I'll shut up and just ask any commissioner express concerns with regard to moving forward with a food truck code or ordinance or regulatory wording of some sort. I just have a question about what the driver is. Is it a perceived issue or is it an actual issue? Because we've had the food

trucks for a, you know, on a seasonal basis for a long time now. Um, so I think it's in my mind it's driven by the volume of food trucks that now are offered across the county. I think, you know, I think there's a rich array and it's all a good thing. I think there's a rich array where any community that wants or even a neighborhood under an HOA. I've seen that where they organize in conjunction with swim meets because the community has a swimming pool and they bring in everything from Greek food to barbecue. You know what I mean? Um because there's such a rich array of that and there are all different forms that bring that food service in. Like I mentioned, there could be a van, there could be a trailer, there could be a barbecue grill, there could be a tent, a 10x10 popup, there could be folding tables. I I see that is all in need of making sure we don't have uh those services in an unsafe manner. So, I'm I'm strictly coming at it, Commissioner Wallace, from let's try to not be overregulatory on what we want them to abide by, but at the same time, let's get ahead of the propane tank that isn't connected properly and has a problem or uh a gas line because inside of that trailer is a gas fired grill or uh a generator that's improperly fueled. These are the things that I'm just concerned about and kind of supporting this if that if that's a good answer for you. Yeah, I don't disagree with you, but the question is whose burden is it to then enforce those things? I mean, you can have a code that says they have to have a working propane line or whatever, but at the end of the day, is someone going to go out and inspect all of those things? And point well point well made. And now you get into the part

of where is where's the role within the town or or in partnership with other town elements, the fire department for example, um, etc., etc. Yeah. So careful what you put in the code because somebody's got to do it, right? If it gets down to, and that's why I was cautioning about using the word inspection, because that implies someone physically going there and saying before you provide the food service tonight, I've got to go down through this checklist to make sure everything's safe. And so I follow you on that. And I think that John, I mean, that element of can we do it from a manpower standpoint or a staffing stand, it's part of the issue, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. I mean, and and really the the my biggest concern and why we bring this up is like you're saying that one individual asked me if they could park on the parking lot um and and just park their food truck there 24/7 and I said, you know, there's nothing in the provisions in the code that guides me. So, you know, as much as I want to say no, I almost have to say it's okay. But but again, I think, you know, I'm still thinking of the businesses that are paying for, you know, their lease that's $5,000 a month. Um, you know, you know, the parking or the health sanitary, you know, etc. Those type of things. Yeah. So, my concern about that is that it's anecdotal. I would want to see evidence that it's actually hurting business and not actually drawing business. Okay. because you're drawing more people to the downtown and maybe they get there and they're like, I don't like any of the food trucks, so I'm just going to pop over to one of the local restaurants. Um, so and some of the food trucks are associated with an existing brickandmortar business. So I just I understand the the point about parking in a public parking lot and you know something. So I would say if anything it would probably I would say as it should be as least restrictive as possible. I just don't think we should

overregulate on small businesses like that. Sure. Yeah. So, I'd like to add to that, too, is that um who are we to inspect somebody's gas line? Who are we are we going to have somebody certified that says that's actually connected correctly. that puts us at liability if we're saying we are looking at it John and maybe he doesn't have the certification to go and do the inspection that's really on the health I would assume the permit process and with the health department and with their insurance and all of that other they regulate their food trucks that's not our job to regulate what they have and don't have then the onus would be on their insurance if something were to happen with, you know, if the propane explodes or whatever it is, that would be on the onus of the insurance carrier, but would it be reasonable to ask if they are bonded and insured? I mean, they would have to show their certificate. I mean, of course. So, are we talking about just municipality property and not like you're talk liquidity or any of those other, you know, non nonpublic townowned land. We're regulating this because if we're regulating regulating this for private property, that's not us. I don't agree. Again, it's, you know, so if a food truck comes in and and leaves, I don't think that's an issue, right? I mean, I think that's what a food truck is, right? But if you have something that's permanent or semi-permanent, that potentially changes that site plan, just like a simplified

site plan. Anybody who does work on their property or does business out of their property has to have some type of site plan or approval by the board of appeals if you want to run a daycare out of your house. you know, citizens get notified around them so they know what's going on in their business or in the house right beside them. So I think that that process needs to be quantified somewhere, you know, like people, you know, trailers aren't parked or vehicles aren't parked 247 like um on p public property, private property, uh you know, I mean, so if we had four food trucks that wanted to move into the Walmart parking lot and set up shop and have a permanent connection, you know, do we want to allow them to stay there permanently. I mean, how are they getting their water? How are they getting how are they discharging their their waste water? You know, how how are these things being handled? You know, I think some type of draft regulation. Again, it it's ultimately up to the town council to determine if there is any type of food truck ordinance that needs to move forward, you know. Yeah. So I represent town of Port Deposit and they uh confronted this as well and what they ultimately did their their solution was to uh essentially come up with a zoning permit, a temporary zoning permit, a seasonal zoning permit um whereby you know the the uh town administrator up there uh would review and approve those. So it wasn't so much looked at as a health issue except beyond just the general requirement that they be, you know, properly licensed, properly inspected by the health department, which the municipality really doesn't get into inspecting or checking the lines. The concern there was more of a zoning issue

that it can be a little bit unwieldy to have a business with one uh zoning permit with the right to use the property commercially in one way uh hypothetically a grocery store. Uh and then have a food truck parked out front uh with a a different perhaps in some ways more intensive use. Um perhaps you know depending on the food truck I guess and the location on all of that with uh you know traffic and things like that. Um Port Deposit has a very narrow uh um downtown area. So the concern was you know choking off traffic having too many there at one time. Um, you know, um, and again, some of the same con some of the, you know, brick andmortar businesses did complain uh, a bit about it. They didn't want them banned, but they they said, you know, we've got to do all these things to get us up and running and and, you know, licensed and we have to have a zoning permit. you know, is it fair to have uh in fact detrimental to have, you know, folks basically running the same business but without having to at least obtain a zoning permit. So th those were the concerns. Um it seems to have worked out pretty well uh this sort of scheme that they opted for. Gotcha. Can we see that? Sure. It's uh I can I think John may have already pulled that or maybe did it. Heather did maybe. I can't remember. Yeah. So, it's uh it's available online, but I can send it to you. It's I think it's called the seasonal temporary zoning permit or something along those lines. Special events maybe. So, is it something where like all the food trucks just kind of said, "Hey, I'm coming." And the town knows that they're licensed certified, you know, inspect. Yeah. Now, the title sounds a little more narrow. I think it's titled

seasonal or temp, you know, but it's really a temporary um zoning permit. Uh years ago here um we had an issue with fireworks around the 4th of July or out leading up to I guess the fourth of July where um a b a fireworks business would want to um you know operate a semi-permanent um business in one of the grocery stores. I forget which one. And uh at the time we really didn't have anything you know with how to deal with that um because it was a very different use and could be you know add to the impacts or intensity the use at a particular spot. So I think what we ended up doing and I think is still done today is they do get sort of a special or limited temporary zoning permit to operate that. Yeah. And we just approved one for the Walmart shopping center for TNT I think it was or I forget. And so Tom, so we have one brick and mortar place right now in town that has their own food truck. So are we now saying that that brick and mortar cannot park their food truck if it's not in use right outside their business? Is that what this is leading up to? Well, I I don't know. And and frankly, I don't know that the deposit ordinance uh really addressed that particular Again, I don't mean to Yeah, but I think this is all at the very beginning, right? No, no, yeah. I'm just trying to understand. But no, you bring up a good point because I think examples like that, which are real examples, are going to be part of the council's deliberation on whatever that draft document says. you know, um because we do have numerous real examples. We, like I said, food truck Mondays. We have food trucks that go over to the farmers market on Wednesdays and kind of hang off onto the

side. Uh we have a number of town sponsored and private business sponsored examples of food truck partnership. Yeah, call it that. Um and ju so just two quick points more for me and then um that is I think it's premature or check me Jason we're not looking for a revenue producing process necessarily. I know uh some of us have used the words uh this process may end up in in a permit to permit them to I I don't think necessarily that's our aim. Again, we're we're trying to be balanced with regard to allowing the business to do its business. Uh but do it safely is kind of my cliffnotes version of that. It's not necessarily look for an additional permitting fee revenue or any of that. Um, now to be fair, kind of shifting slightly to the other side of that argument, if it involves town staff or necessary specialized inspectors, and I'm not saying it will, but I'm saying if it does, then when we get into how do we, you know, how do we offset those costs to make sure it's safe, it could possibly get into a permitting process because of those kinds of incidentals regarding town staff or experts being involved. Um, and so then the last thing, the second thing I I wanted to ask is food truck ordinance. John, do you see it? Now we we cleared the air with regard to the simplified plan, the first topic that that would be something likely to involve the planning commission as it now becomes a process. Uh, to underscore Commissioner Bay's comment, we would still want to see that. When it comes to whatever you foresee on the maturity of food truck regulations, I'm just curious, do you ever see that coming back across for planning commission? Uh, probably not. That would probably not. That would be handled at the zoning administration. There you go. That

that's kind of what I was like any other permit. Yeah. Does any other commissioner see that differently? that food truck whatever we call it um oversight regulatory guidance process would be something necessarily once it matures out of the council it would come before us. Do you see any because John I'm sorry Tom mentioned it became a districtricting a zoning districtricing solution over um work deposit in his example um which would then I would imagine imply planning commission involvement. Well, the the ordinance itself had to go to the uh first to the planning commission for recommendations because it was a zoning chapter change here being 112 for the first. So for as a as an initial matter it would and you know if there's an ordinance addition or change it certainly would come before the planning commission for recommendation right on that 112 uh chapter 112 change uh there you know thereafter court deposit the ordinance itself basically said uh the town administrator would review the permits and decide whether they met the you know criter took Ralph's question as saying would every permit have to come in front of planning commission for each additional unit. I misunderstood your question. I thought you were asking me, you know, if this was to move forward, would each zoning certificate have to come in front of you just like almost like the zoning administrator report? You know, would I be putting down here, you know, you know, x amount of uh food trucks were, you know, approved? That's that's what I thought your question was. I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Well, my question was as whatever is established in regard to this concern or this ordinance, new ordinance or new regulation regarding that specific type

of business as an applicant comes into that process and fulfills whatever is resolved as reasonable to govern and inspect etc. Do you see any of that application coming before us for review or cons? I'm going to stick with my answer. No. That's how I see it right now again without having the final words in front of me. And and does uh does another commissioner see it differently? No, I think we agree or I agree that um it's one thing for the code if the code's being, you know, enacted or something then that should come to the planning commission for the outset. Yes. But not anything once that's passed. Yeah. No. Correct. Okay. So, as I did on the first and I'm sorry, any other No, Brian. So, I do like Tom's idea of the seasonal permit for them. And no fee would be required, but it would be a hey, I'm coming to town. It could be in the zoning report, right? You could just list the food truck in there. Um, I think that if we're going to do an ordinance, we need to establish a guideline as to where the trucks going to kind of if they're going to stay like a on a semi-permanent, maybe we need to isolate a location as to where those trucks will stay so they're not all over the town sitting in parking lots or whatever. Like there needs to be a designated location. Like sure, the parking lot at Blossom Basket for the food truck Monday is great, but um as long as you have the property owner's permission. As long as you have the property owner's comm Yeah. permission to do that. And it could, you know, another potential location could be behind liquidity. You know, there's a large lot back there, you could have one or two food trucks to have a little bit of variety. Um, so that would be just my comments on it is that if we keep the if we do the food truck thing that inside the ordinance, we need to like have a location where they would be so they don't end up all over town. Um, the second thing would be uh the safety of

it. So if it's it needs to be a particular distance from a building to you know just in case something were to happen like it blows up. Um you know I would like to see that as food trucks have wheels on them and so do trailers so they can move back and forth or sideways with you know either under its own power or under the power of a truck. And one of my big concerns about the seasonal or you know extended use is again I'll get back to the water where the wastewater is going grease traps. These are all items that really need to have answers before we allow them to move forward. And again, the health department does regulate a lot of that, but you know, they also have restrictions where they have to meet uh with the local ordinances or laws prior to opening. So, you know, I think I think it's great and that's where really the enforcement or inspection would happen at at the health department level, but there are requirements that need to be met prior to opening to make sure they're in compliance with any local laws or restrictions. Yeah. So, I I looked up some information on the DC because there's a lot of food trucks in DC. Okay. Um, they need to have a vending business license and a mobile site permit and a vehicle registration obviously as well as all the health and food safety regulations met. Wonder what a mobile site permit is. Is that basically the temporary use zoning certificate? It actually um so it says this authorizes the specific vehicle to operate at legal parking spaces. Okay. Mobile site permit. Okay. So if um let's say you're visiting the Smithsonian and there's a row of food trucks all along the side of the road or you know everywhere they they have a permit to be on that side of the street or you know particular area of DC so they can sell their ice creams or halal meats or whatever that is which which what my point was was to get a particular location inside the town that's not obstructing traffic that's

not impeding like fire hydrants that's not close to buildings that you know could potentially cause chaos and fire, but also something that's that's available for EMS and fire to get there um in a in a swift manner if that does happen. Um and you know the ordinance should have some things like that baked into it. Um and you know the permit crisis where it was seasonal, it could be 180 days, it could be you know whatever it is and they just reertify that permit at the end of that cycle um to continue doing business. uh and but they also have to you know provide their licenses and their permits and all those things to the town so that we have that on file along with their permit to know that hey you you have an expired license or you have an expired uh you know whatever I need your updated materials or you can't do business here anymore. So that that kind of keeps the it keeps the kind of the strings on it you know so it's so it's not getting away. Well, and to that point, I know that um I can't speak for Food Truck Monday, but I do know for the um Farmers Market, uh we go through Nancy goes through and and receives all that documentation prior to anybody coming to that event. So, they have to quantify they have insurance, they have this, they have that. I don't know about our checklist or whatever, but you know, there there are steps at least for the farmers market, what's being addressed through the health department and those type of regulations. Uh again, food truck Monday is a town sponsored event, but it is done by MAMA, I think, or um State Farms or Basket and Blossom, I think. So, it's it's it's a it's not just easy to saying this or that. There's a lot of factors that go into it. And and again, I think it's just the biggest thing is making sure that we're meeting any local laws, any local restrictions, and health department approval and inspection. And maybe we need to get those when food trucks come into town and set up. I don't know about again I don't know

about food truck Monday. This is not my normal purview either. I'm just sort of trying to get the communications going which is working right. So we're talking about this. So I think that's great. Yeah. And John I think you know informed by our own experience that we've kind of shared here. um informed by the examples that Commissioner Bea gave, informed by the town attorney's examples. Um my guess is something now will find its way to be introduced to the council. Is that correct? I would think so. Possibly if they feel like it's a necessity, right? Right. And then if they do believe it's a necessity and within reason um to go back to some other comments about we want to balance this so that we don't overregulate something that doesn't need to be overregulated but we do address reasonable safety related issues etc etc u so whatever that is then it would uh mature and progress through council deliberation and then again as I said before perhaps if it goes to that point it will bounce bounce back to us for a set of eyes in that in that journey. Is that accurate? That's correct. Okay. Okay. Good. And I'm sure Tom, you're going to be, you know, leveraged a great deal, uh, not only from your experience, just from a legal standpoint that we don't overreach or overregulate, etc., etc. So, I'm sure all that. So, um, let me before I I'm sorry, was there a I just had one more thing. Sure. Yeah. Oh, I was just going to say, I mean, there had been discussion about having no permit fees other than signed permits in town. Are there a lot of other permits that have no fees? Because if that's one of the complaints of the business owners in town, that you know, these people aren't having to pay any permit fees or anything like that. Maybe a small fee, especially if you're having to do a document review, that's staff time. Um, maybe that's something that's warranted. To that point, that's a great point

because our fees are antiquated. A lot of our fees are way lower than adjoining counties for what we charge. And when when somebody comes in and and submits a site plan or submits something or building permit, they're just they're flabbergasted that it's $25, right? It should be $125 or maybe it should be $250. I don't know what that number is, but some of our numbers are quite low. Um, so I think that would be something we need to review at some point as well. I think we started it absolutely. Yeah. Four or five years ago. Yeah, we have 1980 fees is what Deborah just said. She she sort of is on the front lines of that. Um, so they're very low in comparison, but but to your point, we should be charging permits because there are there is times that her and I are working on different things related to that. U, so before I close this item out with what I believe to be a consensus of the comments here, I'll open it to public comment. Is anyone here tonight that wish to add to this discussion of formulating at the very beginning any concerns on food truck regulations, food truck procedures for allowed operation in the town? Not seeing any. No public comment. Let me say this. I believe if I capture it correctly, the commissioners aren't against beginning this process. Our caution is to not be overregulatory. Uh our caution is to be focused on safe operations at appropriate locations in concert with private property ownership approval in those instances where it's not a town sponsored event. Um did I miss anything else, commissioners? Is that pretty much it? Is that is that is that sufficient feedback for you? Yeah, my phone didn't like that. But, you know, um yeah, that

sounds good. Again, I think um you know, I think that's exactly right. I mean, I think that's perfect. Okay. Uh with that, I'm going to close the food truck regulation discussion and move on into reports and other business. And we'll begin with Councilman Evans and um uh cast of the last council meeting. Sure. Um the council meeting was on April 7th uh 2025 and I will start with some of the presentations that were presented. Um Mayor Hushower proclaimed April Child abuse prevention month. We had some members come in and we presented him with the proclamation. We also had a proclamation for Tracy Sha um honoring her as the mayor may bulldog baseball commissioner and all the work she does with that. We had a presentation by Antidum Broadband um which was pretty interesting but we decided to wait on voting on that until May is he going to be on May John? Um because there was an issue where he was thinking he was only doing Carol County, but we wanted him to do the entire town, not just Carol County. So um he had to include Frederick County in order for us to go move forward with that. The under new business, we had the Mount Area Pharmacy lease renewal that was approved unanimously for three years. The check trash collection renewal, J&J trash received that um three-year award and that was unanimous as well. SWM sold sewer water management pond lawn maintenance. Uh James Enterprises received that uh for six years. That was unanimous as well. And town hall safety improvements phase one

um was approved five uh to zero unanimously as well. The again I said the we postponed antimum broadband until May. um purchase and sale agreement for the purchase of a portion of Green Tree property for the future ple police station was unanimously approved. Um ordinance 2025-3 the resoning to revise and amend the resoning map um that was pushed off um pending more information as you know we're going to schedule a hearing or a joint work session so we can discuss that a little bit more. Um, public hearing was scheduled for ordinance 2025-4, which will be next Monday at 7:00. Ordinance 2025-5 to that was introduced in a public hearing will be at 7:15 on Monday. And ordinance 2025-6 to amend the election code um in the emergency adoption for printing of ballots was uh four votes to zero. Um, Mr. Demoter abstained since he is running for reelection. And that is all I have. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, Chris Spa was reapproved to beautifification. Amy Witter was reappointed to uh the board of appeals and Patty Washabball was reappointed to the board of appeals as well. That's all I have um for my report this month. Pending any questions? And and I'm sorry. Go ahead, Commissioner Ba. I just um just one question about the uh the the future police station and the green tree property. Where where is that going to be? That is going to be located on what was formerly known as the commercial portion of it. It's the portion that's up closest to North Main Street and the C and the Candace intersection. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, they're so they're

they're taking that element out of the the mixed development element and then they're just putting the police station there in the front. I I think that's a fair description and again I'll give way to council member Evans, but I believe um saying what you just said in a different slightly different way. the the the concept plan that we reviewed which showed a commercial aspect of the MXUCC property. The commercial portion is now going to go forward as a town police police station, excuse me. Yes, the almost 2 acres uh commercial site will be used for the police department. Okay. So there will to to say it completely there will be no commercial portion of green tree. Yep. Correct. I'm glad that worked out. And took a while to get there. Yeah. And council member Evans on one point that you made I want to kind of like um put a put a pinpoint on with regard to the commissioners. The tableabling of the ordinance for reszonings is going to go forward now to a yet to be announced meeting a joint I believe it was it was described as a joint workshop. Yes. Between the council and us commissioners uh to discuss those uh proposed resonings that were in that ordinance. Um and so I I believe I'm correct in saying we're anticipating some formal announcement of that meeting location in time. Yeah, I need to coordinate with Holly tomorrow, but I think it's supposed to be at the first, you know, beginning of May, which is only a few days away, right? Possibly next week. Gotcha. Or the end of this week, right? And so I just mentioned that to be keen to it in your inbox uh when that when that meeting is set on the calendar and um location and time so forth. The focal point is going to be um based around the 20 properties on South Main. I think I

don't think there's a lot of objection to some of the other um properties that are being reszoned. So I think most of it is going to be based around those 20 properties. Gota you don't think there's a lot of objection to the other parts of it, but may still be some. There may be some questions. I don't think there's a lot of objection to most of it, but I'm speaking kind of for myself. You know what I'm Yeah, there was a question over here. I was just asking. So, you're saying that you want to have the workshop in the next couple of weeks or are you saying that they're going to discuss scheduling it in the next couple of weeks? The town council, I think, has set a date for that. They have set a date. I think so, but it hasn't been released yet. Right. Was it the date that there's a lot of other people with schedules up here as well? I did approve the only listen to one person at a time, so I'm not sure. Yeah. So, so, so let me I I started this and I'm sorry. Um, so to council member Evans discussion of the council's decision on April 7th to table the ordinances and not decide upon them. That decision is contingent on getting with us at a future to be determined joint workshop on probably one of the two dates that you got in an email that said, "Are you available?" Holly sent out an email that asked if your availability can be confirmed on on one of two dates. They were in May and um and so um I think it's fair to say it'll be one of those two dates but to be announced. Yeah. Correct. Okay. So that's where we are. And um I I would So if you were to ask me how do I prepare for this joint workshop, my first recommendation would be uh review the

videotape of April 7th and the discussions the council members had. Would that be fair, Council Member Evans? Yeah. Just see just see what was the discussion that led to to that need for a joint workshop. I believe the need for the joint workshop was proposed by the council president. Correct. And so, um, maybe that's one way you can kind of gain some insight as to what could be some of our discussions on the date yet to be designated. Um, any other advice as to how we would prepare? the the the reasoning behind it is to get more information because the public hearing was kind of eye openening um with the amount of people that came in disapproval of those particular lots being reszoned. Um so I think that's where the basis of it is. So you can probably look back at the public hearing notes as well to get some more information on, you know, the people that spoke up on those properties. That's fair. That's fair. No, that's a good recommendation on the public hearing review. Um, so I'm going to leave that and move now to the zoning administrator report. If uh if anybody has any questions about this, Deborah did point out to me if you look in the second page, you will see our fees that we incur or charge for um those services. You can look to the far right hand side and that'll kind of give you a breakdown of what we charge for banner permits which is zero. Fence permits which are $15. Um again um some of them if they vary in price I think is uh the building permits uh and we also get an additional fee on top of that. Correct. Uh once the um because the 4250 what is that? That is um is that half it? We collect half

of what the actual voting permit is. So Carol County's fee would have been for on 4250 would have been $85. So we get half. So we charge half, right? And that's just for the building permits. But the town permits, the fence permits $15. Zoning permits $15. Use and occupancy $15. Signage permit, the big signs. Mhm. On the stores. Mhm. $20. What a bargain. Yeah. Do you know what other places are charging on average? A lot more. Yeah. A lot more. I do. Yeah. I always have people um the signage companies asking me it's correct like yeah it is and any wow and and and again I think it's an amazing bargain but any discussion just for the general public any discussion that would bring those into par with surrounding municipalities or or generally just raise them that would be a council deliberation um to to change those fees. So I have like some of the neighboring towns, right, their fees for the same things. So we are definitely a good We're a good deal. Yeah. So Okay. Okay. Um anything else on the zoning administrator report or questions for Tom? Uh for John, excuse me, Tom and John. John. Yeah. Any other any other items on your report of interest? No, not right now. Okay. Um, with that then, um, I'll announce that the next planning commission meeting is going to be a week earlier than normal. It'll be on May 19th at 7:30 here. Uh, the reason for the advance of it a week early is because the last Monday of May is Memorial Day. And we typically uh do that uh for the month of May. We usually

hold it a week early. Um, in respect to that that last Monday. Um so again for May we've got the to be determined date to meet with the council on resonings and then we have the May 19th planning commission meeting. I'm going to go down the deis here and ask if there are any uh last comments or issues. I'll start with Commissioner Wallace. No, Commissioner Bette. I will not be here on the 19th. I will be on a work event. We'll have to change that date. I'm just joking. Commissioner Butts. No, I'm okay. Good. Commissioner Hadley, Commissioner Bea, nothing. Nothing. And any last rounds? Uh, Council Member Evans? Um, I will remind everybody that election day is May 6th, not tomorrow, but the following Tuesday. Um, so go out and and vote. Fantastic. Uh, it is approximately 8 U 47. Uh, I am going to adjourn this meeting of the town planning commission. Thank you very much. Excellent. Thank you.