Planning Commission - workshop

Do I have a copy of this? Yes. I just made a bunch of copies. Take one. Do you have like a And then sauces and forks are down here. Oh, he's not? Will they be to the meeting or are they not? We have enough. Don't worry, I got you.

Because Maddie will be late.

Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, she sent me a text. She'll probably be a little bit late to the work meeting, not to the regular meeting.

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They're awful chairs.

Yeah, that one's way back. Let the men do this. Yeah.

And I would switch.

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Yeah. You can't do it from the back, can you? It's the up and down. Still. It's still.

sure just that they it's on the on the docket

for something, whether they reappoint you or fill the seats.

That's what they're saying.

Yeah. Yeah, that it's on there, the receipt. I don't know. Yeah.

It was on the agenda. That's fine. I'm not arguing.

Oh, no, it was on the agenda. No, it was on the consent agenda on the county commission, not on ours. I was sitting at a meeting and I showed it to Tina.

he was appointed by Blaine so it would be to the end of the year yeah I didn't but I have waters I'm sorry I kind of I should have thought about it I guess I like these. Look at my feet are kicking. Are they dangling? I felt like being like a child on the bus.

Not on anything fun.

Okay. I don't either. I don't know who put it on the agenda. I usually go running. I don't .

the agenda together.

That works.

You've been coming. I don't know.

We have to ask Kate. before Maddie's coming. And so like to get into my chair.

before my hands get... Oh.

You'd be surprised. It's always the easy ones. Okay.

You have Maddie's name as chair. I'll cross it out. You might print my name. Oh, yeah, I'll do that. It has been changed.

joke, he gets McDonald's a lot and I was taxing. Because I don't want to eat.

Someone told me to get out of tax.

What was that?

Yeah, but my dad was never like that, but my mom sure was.

So Janet, was a bench trial at Justice Court that Garrett had to go to?

I don't know that he even had any bench trials.

It just was regular court.

Oh, but normally Dean covers it. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And I told him, I go, I'll do it.

And I think he voted no. He's like, we should be...

I don't believe that you're a... Justice, can they request a jury?

Yes.

Yes, there can be.

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I don't know, but I thought it was clever. You can take over. I don't know how to do this. I do have a question. Is there a way to get the planning commission meeting is not on the county calendar. The meetings aren't. The county commission meetings are, but the planning commission isn't.

Email. Speaking of the schedule. I thought on the calendar that you guys' county barbecue wouldn't have been scheduled on.

So the first two sheets are just questions, overall questions to propose that we could consider.

I never got that. Oh, Steve's here. No, that's... Oh, I was going to say, is there more that's not being used?

I printed out four. Really? Okay. so my understanding is that we've been directed by the county commission to come up with some importance regarding food trucks and food truck courts and the state has rolled into this

It's like this copy that's on the first page of the food truck sheet. It's page one of eight.

A food truck means a fully encased on a motor vehicle or on a trailer that a motor vehicle pulls to transport. Truck vendor standing within the frame of the vehicle prepares, cooks, sells.

And interestingly enough, it says food truck does not include an enclosed bowl.

Is this a food cart or an ice cream truck? They're exempt. So I'm trying to find the, I guess, the sweet spot of what regulations really, really need to keep an orderly environment for food trucks and food truck courts. Most places define a food truck courts as two or more My question I have my mind is like well say you have the dirt spot We have a food truck on one end of the dirt spot there off the Peterson interchange Another food truck on the opposite end, but that constitute a food court I would say no because we have further regulations for it At least we break them up. We have general requirements for food trucks and food truck courts on page two of eight. We have on page three of eight the food truck requirements. Then on page five of eight, we have the food truck court requirements. At least this is kind of our first attempt to draft some type of ordinance that would fit or work well for the county. And most jurisdictions, I've noticed, they have a minimum parcel or lot size for a food truck. And I threw out the idea of maybe a half acre lot or 20,000 square foot parcel or lot size. So that's a questionnaire that poses what should the minimum parcel or lot area be for a food court. And then signage is another item that we should address. Some jurisdictions allow one portable freestanding menu board that's about a two foot by three foot sign. Allow one of those per food truck. Some define that they shouldn't have any flashing or neon signs. It's determined that they're only permanent signs or signs that are permanently attached. I guess you could have a banner, but if it's permanently attached to the side of the food truck, then that's acceptable, but they don't want any, I guess, just signs that are flopping in the wind easily. It could look kind of chunky. Some jurisdictions limit how long a food truck can be on a site. It could be for four hours. I don't think we're that sophisticated yet in the county. I proposed, seemed reasonable to have, that they could have a food truck from like 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. I have that in for general requirements. Page 2 of 8, hours of operation between 7 o'clock a.m. and 10 o'clock p.m. with no overnight parking except at commissary location. And commissary location is where they prepare the food and the vehicle before going out to service. Another question could be, you know, what about parking? Are we going to have some type of standard for patron parking? We kind of suggest you're throwing out we could use our restaurant standard, which is one space for 3.5 seats, which brings up another question of, well, do we want outdoor seating acceptable for a food truck or food truck court? some ordinances i've seen don't allow any outdoor seating maybe it gets too convoluted with this they're probably thinking of a food truck kind of setting up shop along the sidewalk yeah Apparently there has been some discussion down in the Mountain Green area to have a food truck court. They have some type of regulation behind that. If we do allow it, what stipulations do we propose?

But you can also have just a food truck that shows up in a parking lot. And there's also the food truck court. You've got to keep those separate.

yeah what regulations do we need for which yeah we have two or more then that's a food court for food truck court but then i wonder well how much how close do they need to be together to be considered a court so you're not trying to regulate the grocery stores that are on it's on private property yeah that's a good question um We do, I do have a stipulation here that they have a property owner affidavit giving them permission, you know, to be on the site, specifying a specific time or duration that could be there.

I'm asking, is this supposed to cover both of those?

One or the other? Well, I'm trying to, but.

So either just food trucks and like private property or just a food truck? both of those or is it?

Yeah we kind of address those or attempt to address them with location on page three of eight where public public owned land in the private property I assume that's probably occurred where you have a food truck that locates with the ace hardware or tractor supply store or lease market or And I assume that's probably happened in the past, but of course, those are mostly in the city.

But what I'm asking you, if you start talking about

yeah that's kind of the end of this first proposal first draft i guess some jurisdictions really get into the developed food truck court where they have you know two to ten food trucks in an area and then you start wondering well what do we do about sanitation with washing hands and using the restroom i guess what i'm asking is like Accordingly, as I've written it, it does be a private property, but that's a question that I propose for the Planning Commission is how far do we go? How much detail do we go into? I guess my question is if it's a private parking lot, we have to tell them that they can do parking. Jim, can you weigh in on that?

Honestly, what I think is .

And I think this was kind of different, but this is my understanding from the conditions that we've had a developer who wants like a permanent . That situation . That would be my legal recommendation . are you guys familiar with the food truck court in holiday i'm gonna have to look and see i'll look at their zoning map and see who owns it because they used to live by one and they have like 20 food trucks

in a parcel and it's so cool great for local business like it's awesome i just don't know who owns that parcel and how that's like handled but they have yeah and there's probably tin there yeah but it's all around the central building you can eat inside you can eat outside but inside that building has restrooms oh nice places to wash your hands And that building basically facilitates the ability of the food trucks to work because they pull power from there.

And there's something about auxiliary kitchens. I can't remember. Josh was talking about it, but some of them have a separate kitchen area.

They're required to have a commissary kitchen. All food trucks are, according to state code. They have to have access to one somewhere. Yes.

It is. Yeah. I think they take it all. Yeah, and I think you want seating, you want parking, you want, if you have trail systems going through, walkability, those kind of things.

The individual that came before the county commission was a young man. He was in his 20s that wanted to do this. He has proposed one too. It's Rulon. Rulon, but also.

Oh, it's Rulon.

it was the young man that came to talk to the county commission that's when they decided to do this have an ordinance because he he would like to do one because there's not a ton of room to have restaurants here we can have the commercial space and the overhead on that is so much higher where specifically are the most people yeah no no

no it's in the town center area in the town center area where i was told the reason i asked is because the one in cedar is not by really it's it's kind of by itself it's the very last exit or the very last light before you turn to provo or go up daniel's canyon and it's in the south west corner of that traffic light. So there's no shopping around it unless you cross the street, go to Walmart or anything like that. It's kind of by itself, and I don't know how well it does because of that, but if it was closer to retail shopping or

how many people, you know what I mean?

Walkability, yeah, people can actually walk to it. Yeah, it becomes a destination rather than this, like if it was a dirt spot.

And if you're going home from Snow Basin, you just hit it on the way before you get on the freeway.

And especially if they have like an event area, so you have like a big grassy area, a stage or something, so that events are in there, and then you have the... And then you have the food court support there.

But I like it when it's around the commercial. I get to know the center. Been successful probably.

To do that, is it less necessary to have its own restrooms?

Yes, I think that's a requirement somewhere.

Okay. Yeah, the health department, we're proposing that the truck requirements under page four, licenses and approvals. It could be a copy of the business license and from where the commissary is located. Health department and safety health inspections and permits, vehicle registration, licensing, and fire department approval through where the commissary is located and if they're coming from Weber County or Davis County up here. We rely on the business licenses and health department from those locations. And as far as restroom facilities, get into that with page 7 and 8. The truck course containing four or less food truck spots shall provide a minimum of one portable toilet and hand washing facility for the joint use of occupants. Portable toilets must be screened from public right-of-way view and set back a distance of 50 feet from all accesses to existing structures. So it's quite the art to craft a the appropriate amount of safeguards without unduly telling the businesses to sit back a distance of 50 feet. That could be quite some distance. It depends on where the food truck or food court is located.

So I've got a question on this. It says, I assume this is a draft, so it's something that's being proposed, right?

Yeah, we're just trying to make bud right now.

Yeah, so sorry I came in at halftime. Sure. But this says containing four or less food trucks. There's one portable toilet. they require us to go off of our construction sites. For every 10 individuals, we have one. And I'm wondering, does one cover, like if there's two people inside of a food truck and there's four, that's eight people, that's only two patrons. Is that enough?

Yeah, I assume that where we got a lot of this text was from other jurisdictions that had some health department oversight. That might be where we need to ask, like the Wheaton-Morgan Health Department and say, what is adequate restroom facilities in support of food truck and food truck courts?

The text might read better for every four food trucks, one through four, two through eight, or sorry, excuse me, five through eight. you know, an additional toilet is needed. Because this just covers four of us, right? I didn't read any further.

Oh, yeah, it talks about five to ten.

I don't know if we'd ever get that large, but that's for every additional ten food truck stalls. I can't plan for the future, but that seems to be a pretty big scale.

I think to Matt's point, too, though, if there is like an issue, because... Sometimes they're not always in function, right? Like if you just have one, is that a concern?

Oh, you mean the portable toilets?

Yes.

What, they're not always empty or usable or clean?

Yeah, sometimes you go in and there's like things on the walls that make it, so it's probably a health and safety issue to go in them. Do you get what I'm saying?

So that's why I guess we're referring back to the health department.

Yeah, whatever they require. I guess, yeah.

how often they're inspected and cleaned or maintained. I could ask the Weaver-Worgan Health Department what their recommendations are. I assume that these stipulations from other jurisdictions were crafted through their health departments.

I mean, I go back to the construction site, because that's what I know. And we use portable toilets on every one. So the typical Change out rate is weekly for 10 individuals. So there has been times where we've had to call them in halfway through the week to get it cleaned. There's been times where it's gone a couple weeks and it's been just fine. So being around food, I'm a little bit more leery. um then the construction site where there's just nasty guys walking around anyway sweaty guys i guess i should say but i don't know it feels a little light but that's just my feeling we're going to create one that has

What I maybe would recommend is think about it maybe as permanent.

As opposed to temporary.

Temporary. And so permanent ones, you need real permanent restrooms. Temporary ones, then we can look at that. Because then we're not checking our bodies on permanent ones all the time. Like Ken Smith Park.

Yeah, like a little outhouse kind of thing. So yeah, when you do a larger one where it's temporary,

so is it an issue to consider how far apart food trucks should be from each other sites because a lot of jurisdictions say two or more is a site but like i mentioned earlier if the dirt pad if you have one food truck on one end and then 800 feet away you have another food truck would that constitute a close together they a lot of the standards are for the food trucks to be at least 10 or 15 feet away from each other apart from each other for for fire right in a food court that would make sense but i don't know can you stipulate between a food truck and a food truck court a definition like if they're sharing power or sharing water a water source that it's a food court

I don't know. If they're splitting utilities, I would think that they're kind of working together. Rather than having them 800 feet apart, they're not going to split utilities.

A lot of food courts, the trucks are there longer. Other than like at the dirt spot where they just show up for the dinner or the lunch hour and then they leave.

So they're self-contained. Yeah.

That's what you're saying. Like they live there. Yeah. Versus just transient, coming in for certain times.

yeah that's just a normal food truck and not a food truck court but i a food court lives there i've seen food trucks on blocks they lift them up take the tires off they're going to be there for the long haul yeah good point yeah and someone can't haul it off yeah right that's true that's one of the stipulations i think that's in here from other jurisdictions is that the food

to the truck itself, maybe a trailer, so it can be moved. They don't want it just to be left, a trailer just out there by itself. And I question, what's the rationale for that? That's on page three, for publicly owned land, location shall not be unhitched or left unconnected from the tow vehicle. and i'm trying to understand what the rationale for that is um you say on page three yeah six it's number six that's on publicly owned so that would be the one that pulls up along the side of the curb yeah maybe you're taking up too much because that number seven or you know when combined with the tow vehicle shall not exceed the shorter of 40 feet in length or more than two parking stalls i think on the publicly owned land it's

They don't want you to unhitch your wagon and drive away. To me, it's just a temporary thing where you're pulled up, you're serving for a short period of time, and then you're gone.

Well, it can become a hazard, too, if it's too close to a road.

Yeah. They can park on the right-of-way next to the sidewalk, which makes sense.

So because it's temporary, they want it hitched at all times.

Yeah. So it can be moved if necessary.

My parents are going to have the fire safety stuff already.

Oh, absolutely.

And fire will have to remove it.

Is the 15 feet, they have to be away from fire hydrant? What is longer? Don't we have to be further away if I go back to when I was 16?

Amendment clearance of 15 feet must be kept between a park, a food truck, and any fire hydrant utility box, gate ramp, and building entrances.

I've parked closer than 15 feet to a fire hydrant. And it's legal, OK. As long as the curb wasn't red.

As long as the curb was not, yeah, I understand that. OK.

I don't know, should I have a ticket?

Should you have a ticket? Yeah, we don't want to have the food truck compete with pedestrian movement or other vehicle movements, so we're gonna stipulate where they could be located, or block clear view zones.

These are, yeah, on the public owned land, that's just a temporary, they're just pulling up and opening for business for a short period of time.

One of the questions I have is for most food trucks that are small, not big scale, they don't allow the sale of non-food merchandise. And I was wondering what their rationale for that. So I did a Google search and it came up with, well, The non-food brand merchandise can overwhelm the food court, kind of complicate the nature of the purpose of the food court. It can complicate sanitation. It can blur zoning, because we're already kind of making an exception for food, allowing food to be served in a location besides a brick and mortar.

A lot of food trucks sell T-shirts and stickers.

Yeah, or hats, like merchandise. That's the question. So maybe we could say, because you don't want people to turn it into like... A store. Yeah, swap me. So maybe you say only merchandise associated, you know, like hats and T-shirts and stickers.

Yeah, some jurisdictions say, well, there's a big scale or a festival, then they would allow non-food merchandise to be sold. But I don't know where we draw that line of how much, how many t-shirts can you- Yeah, turn it into promotional items.

They can sell promotional items.

Yeah.

Merchandise incidental to the- Yeah, it's not their primary source of income.

So I got a question on that. Sorry, squirrel. And maybe this is just, Matt, shut up and read the code. But my question I have is, Is there a separate tax that we're charging these individuals? Okay, there is, I thought they probably would be. I just wanted to make sure that that was being. Taking care of, because if they're coming up from Davis County, Weber County.

So part of that and that's something that needs to be coordinated with the clerk's office is we've been looking at revamping like the large event permit or special permit so that we're only doing one temporary business license by the organizer who then make sure like they have the event and I guess the individuals have to have their business licenses We need that so we make sure that we're getting the revenue from the sales tax and it isn't going back to the hometown.

Yeah.

Because the sales here. Yeah, because the sales here. That's the way to track it. It's for the business licenses. Okay.

It's something that... But yeah, it should be great for us. I would think if you have skiers, people coming up, it'd be a ton of sales tax if it's right at the town center.

And it's...

you

In like their brick and mortar.

If they had like a brick and mortar.

Yeah, so we need to make sure that even if it's like they don't have brick and mortar, their residence is, they've got to make sure that it's here.

We'd just be missing out on a lot of potential tax. And if the commissary is collecting that for the food trucks, then at that point that just tells us we need a commissary.

Where the commissary is located.

And we shouldn't have food trucks really anywhere else. Because that's a lot of revenue lost from other areas.

That's a straight benefit to Morgan if we capture that Yes, they sure And if they're all there and if you have four kids and everyone wants something else, you know versus going to like one and a t-shirt and

On page two, right under the sale of non-food, I was just going down, signage. Can a food court have a sign? According to this, it can't.

Shouldn't a food court have a permanent one?

A permanent should have a sign. So maybe that's why we need to separate the two ordinances, because we're getting difficult.

And with the sign, are we going to allow each individual food truck to have signage along with the court or just the court?

Those A-frames. They say they can have one portable two-by-three by their food truck with the signage on their food truck. I mean, that would be fine.

Yeah.

But the food court meat should be able to have a permanent sign.

No neon, huh? Not going back to the 50s?

That was a suggestion that I saw, but I guess they don't want it to be too obtrusive or too in-your-face. Here we are. But that's why we're talking about it, to see what you think.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's probably just part of the sign here.

And as we're going down, that's also... the trash again food court would be different than a food truck that's just pulled up along the curb as far as having a trash container that needs to be removed so maybe i'm hearing that maybe our definition of a food truck court would be more permanent structure right rather than temporary yes yes and i think we could have a subsection for temporary

Because I could see that happening. Yeah. That'd be kind of cool.

Well, I think they're going to want to test that.

Like a flash mob. Yeah. Flash, yep.

They wouldn't want to make it permanent unless they test it out, do a temporary, and it works.

Yeah. Good idea.

That's too big of a risk. Yeah.

Because whoever owns it will just charge the vendors probably a rate, like, hey, this is how much it is to operate here monthly. This is your lease.

And then we've looked at permanent special events for, like, Scotsman Center, certain places where they used a lot, where we wouldn't have to go through the business licensing massive process every time to make sure we claim the tax.

It's been a workout break. So, yeah. So we need to have Ordinance addresses food trucks. We need a separate section completely for food courts, permanent, and then temporary food courts. So three separate.

What about lemonade stands? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Well, I thought it was interesting how the state code

going around the neighborhood playing the song.

And it doesn't mean a mobile business, which interestingly enough, they say that a mobile business could be for like a barber or cosmetics or cycling, cell phone, computer, footwear. You transfer sewing and tailoring, small engine tools.

you see those tool trucks that go around that would be considered a mobile business and you also talk about allow only in non-residential zones but that would mean 820 agriculture

Which page are we on? Are you looking at?

Oh, page five. This is under food court. So are we saying five of eight allowed only in non-residential zones? So you can have them in MU 160s and 820s?

Yeah, that seems to make sense to me if we're having some really larger scale permit that it just be commercial, not residential areas.

But does it make sense to have it in MU 160?

Yeah, but MU 160 is not a residential. It's non-residential. According to this, you could have it in MU 160 or an F1 or AG.

That sounds a little odd to me.

So do the courts, do we only want them in commercial zones? Or do we think in an 820? I don't know. I'm trying to picture some 820 that I've been coined and I can't.

You think Logan and Albert Wilde are going to want to do a food court?

It might just have to be in commercial zones.

Maybe they'll do one at the plant.

What?

Around there, and the food trucks will pull up for lunch. Like I used to work for a company, and they'd have food trucks pull up.

Yeah, but that's a food truck, not a court, not a permanent court.

Oh, yeah, yeah, but temporary would make sense to Tina's point on like maybe.

Yeah, temporary, yes, but not the permanent. Okay, so maybe we should break them out that way.

Yeah.

A permanent should just be in commercial zones.

I was just, I just have the thought of something like, say you have an event at like the county fairgrounds. Would that still count? Because like you could probably get quite a few food trucks that came to that.

We do it on the 4th of July at the fair.

And I unfortunately don't know what it's zoned as currently, but. A20. A20, so.

That's county property. I don't know.

So it becomes private. I know, but.

General, yes. Yeah, okay, I'll make note. To me, those are more temporary, those are just regular food trucks. They're events. If we need to address events

And I think that's a good way to address it as events, rather than like a daily. Because they're not showing up there on Thursday, July, what is today, 10th, 9th? I mean, there's nobody over there right now.

Yeah. Yeah.

But like you have the special events, the farmer's market.

We talked about the hours of operation for...

He just skimmed over. We didn't discuss him. He just was reading him.

7 a.m. to 10 p.m. Pretty standard, right?

Yeah, for a commercial.

I'm thinking of the catering trucks. that I would see growing up, they weren't necessarily the food trucks that we see today, but they were smaller vans that pull up to maybe, you know, school site or instruction zone.

Oh, box trucks, yeah.

Yeah, they would show up for it before the breakfast and then for the lunch.

Yeah, it's not a food truck.

I just remember winter dairy deliveries. Yep.

over it line by line. Should there be a minimum size for a food truck court? And if so, what is the right size?

The minimum square footage of the lock?

Yeah, parcel or lock.

Well, I think that goes back to how many are allowed to be on it. So, Like for the fire situation, they've got to be 15 feet apart, something like that.

Let the other regulations take care of that.

Yeah, self-limiting.

Yeah.

Then again, I guess how many little trucks could you put on a quarter acre?

15 feet apart. That's true.

You have to have parking and you have restrooms, 50-foot setbacks. And you have picnic tables. Yeah, covered.

It's going to be self-limiting.

Yeah. 20,000 is what it says here.

20,000 square feet.

Half acre. That's in parcel. So it doesn't seem crazy to have all of those things. I mean, parking alone will take up.

So maybe the other regulations can take care of what the minimum size area would be.

With their number, yeah.

Do they have to do outdoor seating? Are we okay with setting up little tables and chairs in front of their food truck? It seems reasonable to have it for a food truck court.

Seems pretty common, actually.

I'm just surprised it didn't. So I'm wondering why. Maybe it has to do with being on the sidewalk and they don't want just sidewalks.

Well, most of the ones that are on public property on the sidewalk, people just come and get it and leave and go home.

But a food court, I would think you would actually want to, you need to have seating because people...

That's why we need to separate. Yeah. So for food courts, they need to have it.

The one over at Tractor Supply, I guess that's on private property, but do you leave it up to Tractor Supply as to what they're going to allow? Or do we want to put some sort of regulation?

We need private property.

Yeah, can we? How much can we regulate?

Because we're regulating the trucks.

Yeah.

And we can limit the number of trucks on the parking lot. I can see regulating hours of all, yeah, type of stuff, but.

Can't require they have picnic tables. No. But in a food court, I think it needs to have seating. Oh, yeah. Because that's like, yeah, permanent.

Do we put a maximum of seating?

No. No.

That's one of the stipulations that I've seen in some of the ordinances where you can't take away from the required parking. If you're a business that, a restaurant that needs 50 stalls, you need to allow at least 50 stalls in addition to what you would need for the food trucks.

I haven't seen too many food trucks down in Mountain Green in the businesses. I see them in Morgan all the time. I know I am too, but yeah, maybe they don't allow it. Well, yeah, the UDOT kicked them out. Oh, really? Yeah. Because someone fell and injured herself and sued UDOT.

Because they were the property owner.

They slipped on ice. but maybe these has said no, they don't want the competition.

Or because of something like that, someone falls or they maybe don't want the liability. And you're right, a lot of people eat lunch there.

I'll make a note should we limit on private.

If you have any notes or comments, please mark these up. Get them back to me so we can. We can go through another draft and hopefully it'll make it a little bit less murky.

I think there's been some good back and forth on it.

So what are the requirements for like setbacks seen in other ordinances that it should match underlining zoning? That doesn't seem to make too much sense to me like if you're at age 20. have to be that far back for a food truck or especially food truck court.

Yeah, the 820 just is kind of an oddball, isn't it?

So what setback? Should we have some setback requirements from the property line?

Or just for the zone, whichever?

Or non-residential zones?

Maybe they just have to comply with the setbacks for the zone they're in.

Yeah, but that makes sense for like an A20 where it's 60 feet. Like the dirt spot right now is an A20.

With public ground, yeah.

So it'll be set back 60 feet. You'll be right in the middle because that dirt spot is out.

It's county, yeah, public property. I don't know.

Oh, is the county on that now, I think?

My understanding, but I'm not sure. It was UDOTS. Yeah, UDOTS had belonged to them, but I don't know. I heard that they were working on a deal, but I don't know.

That dirt spot, I measured it. Seems reasonable that a food truck court be required to receive a conditional use permit. It was suggested in another ordinance that that be permitted by a zoning administrator. What your thoughts are on requiring a conditional use permit for a food truck court? I think that there's enough details to really look through. somebody, is that somebody be the zoning administrator and the planning commissioner?

I would think so if our code is good. As long as they meet code, it should be an easy C1.

Okay.

I would think. As long as our code is tight. Or you think it should come to at least the planning commission?

I think it should come to at least the planning commission. I don't know.

Well, it's kind of like that when Peterson Pipeline came for their pump house, you know, why did it go to C3?

I mean, I don't want to get bad. It just seems ridiculous.

But a permanent food court is a big deal.

between a permanent and a temporary. I like that.

I mean, for a permanent. Yeah, we need to separate.

How many are we really talking about in Morgan County? One, maybe two in the next 20, 30 years. So having that come before us for a permanent makes sense.

Permanent, yes. Oh, they're saying food trucks. And I was like, what? Sorry. Yeah, food courts. Got it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the reason I like it, because there's so many variables with, I mean, it isn't like building a business building.

Yeah.

There is a lot of moving parts. That's where I, I guess my head conditioning from it makes more sense because you can come up with the conditions for that specific.

That's not a big hurdle to jump through, right?

No, no. It doesn't fit anything. It doesn't fit anything else in our cover.

Yeah. That makes sense.

I think where I read it talked about hard surfaces. Okay, yeah, on 8 of 8, 13, hard surface paving at the entrance. I understand that. That would make sense where it's coming off the road.

This is just for food truck courts, right? Yes. Okay, yeah, number 13 is the last page. Yeah, it's the last page. Yeah, I guess the concern is we try to avoid passing mud around, I guess.

As they come off the road, but Can it be just gravel? Can it just be an all-weather surface for the actual food trucks to park on?

Well, don't we have to have H-20 rated? It doesn't have to have fire apparatus access?

So that would be that all-weather.

All-weather, so as long as it's engineered for that.

As long as it's an all-weather, yeah.

Because some gravel's not, some gravel is.

Right, right. And if, I don't know what the right term is, I always call it all weather, but I, you're right, there's some term.

Fire apparatus supporting.

Yep.

Circles. H20 rated is, I guess, for grades and things like that for fire apparatus.

Okay. Okay.

Some of these requirements that other ordinances have, like for food courts, food truck courts, shall be fenced, this is number 14 on page eight, shall be fenced on any boundary bordering a residential or agricultural use, or a zone accepted by the zoning administrator for the written approval of the neighboring property owners, or for unique geographical situations. That seems to be quite nebulous.

Because a business doesn't need to fence their business off or their parking lot. So I don't know if it's necessary.

Number 15, I think that pertains to more permanent food court than temporary. Having all infrastructure shall be buried and available within 24 hours.

So they'll have just some pedestals that are put out.

So would this be allowed in an area that would require a septic? I guess it would, right? As long as the system connects?

There was something that if under where water and sewer are available, wheel serves are required.

for a permanent food court.

Are we going to require that for a permanent?

Seems to be pretty standard for a permanent. But we require for subdivisions to develop it.

So that doesn't seem overly... Rather than have all the food trucks bring generators.

Oh, for power?

Yeah. I don't know if you need a fence.

What did you say about a fence?

I don't think you need a fence because we don't fence off other commercial for the permanent food court.

Uh-huh. We don't require or do require them to fence off.

Like Lee's Market didn't have to fence off.

Yeah, some of them can.

Yeah.

So let's scratch that one. That's number 14.

That would also be a large cost for them to incur on the front end, whoever develops it. I mean, fencing's not cheap.

It feels like you're in jail.

My head is amazing.

You don't have to feel like you're in jail. We've got it designed.

We're ready. We do.

I had food trucks cater my wedding, so I'm very excited about this. I love a food truck.

So is there a current proposal in your office for one?

No.

No. It's just. We're just preempting.

This young man wanted to do one.

I think there probably was going to be a race between them who would do it first.

But neither of them did it. Both were denied?

No. Well, they just said we don't have an ordinance to address it. And so the county commission says we will work on it, or staff work on it.

So is there a place in the county where you can set up

private property yeah which is where they currently are going yeah but i think even this will be private property right under town center is my understanding so this it's just giving them a structure of requirements if you're going to set up multiple food trucks i know in peterson we get food trucks that pull up i don't have sex they're private though privately i'm not trying to well they're kind of out more in the right way So this would regulate that though? As well, Steve, under the temporary, it sounds like. If they're on public lands, like the dirt spot.

These trucks have been behind.

Do you guys have all the trucks?

They occasionally, not all the time. Are they busy? When they show up, yeah, but it's not regular.

Go to Lee's.

you'd have a setback requirement for a permanent food truck court.

Oh yes.

But for a temporary one, or even just a food truck itself, should we have some type of setback requirement for a food truck?

No, because they can, on private property, because they can pull up along the curb.

We'll set back to another property. So for the general overall food truck, you're going to want like how far from the right of way? Yeah.

Like you have like 20 feet from the intersection, those kind of things.

If they're parking on the street, if they're parking in our right of ways or stuff like that, you want terms for that.

That way they're going to.

I would recommend instead of just plain, clear view, you have a specific seat.

Distance. Yeah, like an intersection.

Yeah, I can look into that. Well, something for our next draft. So landscape requirements, it's reasonable that if it's to be a permanent food truck court, we have landscape requirements.

For permanent, yeah.

Not for anything else. Not for temporary.

And a site plan should be required. For permanent.

How about covered areas? Even temporary, I would think that if the

but if it's for an event oh yeah maybe like a wedding event but maybe that's the event person yeah define the difference between temporary and permanent yes yeah because that's going to be a time frame like if they have a temporary maybe they get three months And after three months, it's permanent. So it has to... Long time.

Okay.

It's facetious, but a month or a week, I don't care. I'm just saying a time frame.

Yeah, set parameters.

Is there a distinction we should make between temporary and a special event?

A special event would be the start and finish of that event.

Yeah.

So that time frame is already preset because the event sets the time frame.

Yeah.

There's going to be two different meeting processes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think those are different because a temporary you could pull up somewhere every Tuesday For like a season like ski season or whatever the thing is, but a wedding is like a one day. Yeah Yeah funeral We're like I don't think you've other fun events like Pioneer day, okay, we're done.

That's three examples. I

Do we have an idea of what we'd want to put as a duration of a temporary versus a permanent? 14 days? Maybe that's your camping time. Before you have to move it.

What we have right now is... Temporary or just the food truck itself. Hours of operation, general requirements. Between seven and 10, you can't leave it overnight. If they wanted to.

But for a temporary food, that would be like open for business, but if you're having a temporary food court for three days or whatever, They're staying there, but at least they can't be open for business after.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they would probably have to go back to their commissioner, their buildings or their headquarters, right?

Yeah, for their water. Yeah.

To clean out their truck and restock.

Get their water.

They probably could just pull up there for a week or so. So maybe the hours of operation from 7 to 10 are okay.

and allow them to stay overnight for a temporary period.

Yeah, that's my question.

I don't, but the fare.

I don't know if they would be able to with their logistics. That would be then.

Yeah. I don't know how often they have to go back to the commissary. That's probably something to look into.

Yeah.

What are the requirements?

Because I would think they would have to do that for the food, but also for the vehicle itself and cleaning it up properly and servicing it.

They have to get the water.

Yeah. Before we start.

Yeah, take a little break.

I think they just stay there for the duration of the event. And then once the event is done.

Thank you.

But at least now I can read it for the next hour. I have too much for a piece of chicken myself. Thank you, though.

Oh, awesome.

So me being an idiot went live. Fantastic.

Thank you. Thank you for dinner.

Yeah, thank you.

A lot on the docket tonight, huh? see what name they have over there in front of Janet Janet wants to be Matt today I work almost every day, Steve. Other than, well, not Sunday, but I do church stuff all day Sunday.

Oh yeah, are you done? Yeah, actually two that I'm getting going. Yeah, one. Yeah, so I told you about the app I'm building.

That's almost done. I had to rebuild it almost from the ground up. Yeah. But it's almost done. I hope to go live with that next week. And then we've got a few houses we're building.

It's starting to pick back up, actually, from what I'm seeing.

It's good. Yeah.

one's for my parents, right next to me. They actually bought my sister's house right next to me. My sister bought a house here in Oregon, so now she's in town.

My parents want to build

and have the current house either, it's a double-wide trailer, so they're trying to sell it or just have it as an ADU. Yeah, either way works. We're ready.

I'd like to call this meeting of the Planning Commission to order it Thursday, July 9th, 2026. And I've asked Member Wilson, offer a prayer and afterwards if you'd all rise and join us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Our Father in heaven, we bear this before you once again in this meeting. We're grateful for the opportunity we have to help to serve the members of this community. We're grateful for their participation. We're grateful for the opportunity we have to live here. We ask a blessing upon us this night that we may be able to consider the proposals in fair light and do the things we need to do when we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

We'd like to welcome those that are in attendance with us tonight. The next item is approval of the agenda. I have a motion.

Motion.

Okay, a motion by Member King and a second by Member Maloney. All in favor?

Aye.

Okay, motion carries. And I am voting since there's only four of us. Conflict of interest? Any member have a conflict of interest with the item on our agenda? Okay, seeing none. Next is public comment. We are having one legislative item. It has its own public hearing. So if you would like to comment on that, We ask that you do that during the public hearing. But if you have any other comment you'd like to make to the Planning Commission, now is your time. If you do so, come up and state your name for the record. Seeing none, we'll move on to our item. This is a Rollins-Rance Development Agreement, Sixth Amendment.

Commission. Yeah, this is for Rollins Ranch. It's the Sixth Amendment. We've had several of them. This proposal is to change ownership of parcel A, which is open space, from the Homeowners Association to a private trust. The private trust will keep the parcel in native open space, but also, in addition, will build some trails and install some park amenities. We have a representative from the Homeowners Association here. And we also have Joe Seedy, the applicant, is in attendance. If you have any particular questions, I'll be trying to address those at this time. We're glad that Janet is here. She's very aware of what's going on with this property, with the development agreements.

Any questions for staff?

Will this park be open to the public or just the members of the HOA and Rollins Ranch?

Council, my name is Joe Siget. I represent Mark and Jennifer Hancock, the buyer demo. It will be open to the public. It's currently open, and all the improvements that are detailed in the packet that you receive are already completed and being used by the community.

Thank you. Well, I'm looking at the land use restriction agreement, and it just talks about the residents, HOA and their guests. on the trails, and that was my question.

Yeah, it will be. It's currently open. There's nobody policing it, and the intent is to eventually connect it to some of the other neighborhood trails up in the Cottonwoods. So it would be open to anyone who wants to use it.

Maybe I can find where it is, but that's fine. There was one little statement. Because there is one. The trails kind of have been public, but there is one that's a public right-of-way. It's kind of like a historic trail that's already been there, and it should have been platted originally.

Are you referring to just the main road that kind of leads up in there?

No, just off the main road. I'm going to. Yeah, it was a nature trail. It says path clearing. This is on the original development agreement. Path clearing along historically used trail. A right-of-way in favor of the public will be included with Platte subdivision. It's one off.

I don't believe any roads have been removed, I think.

Well, it's not a road. It was a trail.

I don't believe any trails have been removed. I think any trails that have been there remain there still. I think that one was right there where... Yeah, and the map you have there, I don't think that is inclusive of all existing trails or access. I think that is just more representative of the improvements that... When that was made, it was the plan, but they're... Yeah, it's...

So, yeah, it's page five under section, under maintenance, improvements, and access, Debbie. Item three, it's section C. Buyers shall maintain mountain bike and hiking trails that are accessible and user-friendly to sellers, members, and other Rollins Ranch residents and their accompanied guests. So that, to me, does not read open to the public.

To my knowledge, we haven't restricted it to access.

So I'm going to interrupt. What trumps, because that's not an agreement between the county and the applicant, the original development agreement will supersede this as far as the trails. And in that one, they're open to the public as long as that recreational liability.

So they are. That was my main concern.

None of those things are being changed.

Okay.

Okay. Any other questions?

It says work with the Mountain Green Trails Association, but are they, what happened with that? I know there was discussion. Is that still?

That I don't know, but I know it was kind of defunct there for a little bit. I don't know if it's.

Yeah, to develop mountain bike trails. I know that this is an agreement between the county and the association.

And I think the Hancocks are open and willing to work with organizations like that. They're very involved in the cycling community and they only want to see more trails and more access.

I think part of the motivation for this is that none of those were really built out as anticipated and so was the Hancocks stepping up to kind of complete some of those amenities that the HOA just didn't have the money for.

any other questions for the applicant or staff one item just to note i have the original of the original signatures the amendment here when we submitted it it was titled the fifth amendment And we found out there was an existing Fifth Amendment. I have here an updated title sheet. I'm changing that from the Fifth Amendment. If you're okay, we can just substitute that. And however we need to make an initial or however you'd like us to proceed with that, we can just slide that in. No changes have been made other than just retitling the Sixth Amendment.

And I think we can just add that on to the County Commission at that time when it approaches there. I had the resolution for it drafted, so we'll just complete the whole packet.

So no problem as far as tonight, we're good, okay.

No.

Okay, public hearing, yep.

Yeah, we need public hearing.

Yep, I motion to go into public hearing. So moved. Motion by Member Maloney. Second. Second by Member King. All in favor?

Aye.

Aye. OK, we're now in public hearing. If anybody in the public would like to come forward. OK, seeing none, can we move out of public hearing? It's our regular meeting. So moved. Motion by Member Maloney. Second by Member Wilson. All in favor? Aye. We are now in our regular meeting. If there are no more questions for staff or applicant or discussion, I'm ready for a motion.

Madam Chairman, I will recommend approval to the County Commission for the Rollins Ranch 6th Amendment to the Development Plan, based on the findings listed in the memorandum dated July 19, 2006.

Okay, I have a motion by Member Wilson.

I'll second.

And a second by Member King. Any discussion on that motion?

All in favor?

Aye. Any opposed? Okay, motion carries, unanimous.

Me.

Okay, thank you. Okay, next on the agenda is business and staff questions. Do you have anything?

Oh, because of the 24th?

I do have one, a couple items. The one at our last county commission meeting on Tuesday, There was a concern about the data centers and wanting to address it, the code, because it is in our code now. Some are permitted uses. So we probably need to get it taken out of the use table ASAP.

I did not realize it's in there already.

Yeah, it's in the commercial zones. Let me see if I can. I kind of knew it was there, but I It's under data processing services, under office of all things. But town center, it's permitted. Ooh. And C1.

That's my food court.

Yeah, it's one or the other. That's it, one or the other.

I'd much rather have the food court.

And then a C1 in the other commercial. It's a C1? Uh-huh.

OK.

So do we want to make a motion tonight to update the code? You want to make a motion from us, Planning Commission?

like to update the code or how do you want that addressed or just you want to carry i would prefer if you made a motion that we update the code to eliminate or at least redefine what that is and get data center out of there

I think this code was before there were data centers.

So I think a definition might fix it.

We just figured it's the computer someone had. Or maybe a little server in a room.

Just get rid of that. I mean, do we need data processing centers?

I would leave it, but what I would do is add a definition of what those are, and then a definition of what big data centers are, and then we don't have anything in our code that allows for the data centers, the big ones, right? Yeah, we don't. Or is it better just to remove it?

I mean, what is a data, like what would a server, you know what I mean? Because then you get gray.

Well, I think like the data centers, when I think of them, it's like when you call customer service.

It's a call center.

That's a call center, yeah.

Data processing services. You need more like a server, but nothing, not a data center. I don't think we want that either.

You don't want Facebook building a big data center right over there in Mountain Green?

I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know how you direct us, but direct us to fix it.

Is there any reason we can't remove it legally to have servers or an unconditional use permit?

My concern about ever outright banning something is the Commerce Clause and getting tripped up with that.

Should do that.

But what if we're not banning it, we're just not listing it? Is it conditional use, correct? So if it isn't listed, is it permitted? It's not. It's not?

If it's not listed, then it's not permitted on allowed use.

So we just don't list it. It's like, yeah, when our conditional use is. So is that the only place? Or do we just ban it?

To give a definition exactly what is a data processing services.

And then what is the other, and then it doesn't fit in.

Because having a server in a business is not a big deal.

Yeah.

Building a massive server farm.

Is a big deal. Could be a big deal. But that business is not, like just because it has a server, that's not its use probably.

You can have a business that operates servers.

I get that. Yeah. I think we need a good definition of what they are.

So a definition of data processing services.

Yeah, or direct us to fix it. A clarification of. Directed to fix it. Yes.

Okay, I'll make a motion.

Okay, I think, yeah, we'll fix it.

Yeah, I'll motion that staff take a look at the definition of data center and provide some additional information, additional clarification, take a look at the code to complete it.

Okay, I have a motion by Member King. Second. Second. Second by Member Maloney. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? OK. Motion carries, unanimous. I think that's it for now. That was my main concern after it was brought up in the county commission meeting. So if there's no more questions for staff, we'll move on to our minutes.

Approval?

So moved. Motion by Member Maloney. Second. And a second by Member Wilson. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Motion to adjourn. Motion by Member Wilson and a second by? Second. Member King. All in favor? Aye. Our meeting is adjourned.