County Commission - Regular Meeting

those neighbors still reaching out to you about lights.

I've been in three different models.

Well, we're going to get started with our work session here with my lines. Appreciate everybody being here that wants to be here. Thank you for the public.

So in the interest of time, I read faster than I think. So I did make a little bit of a page and a half opening statement. And then I did provide three handouts stapled together for everybody on some key points that I think, at least in my perspective, drive to the center of the onion, the root cause, what's going on.

Is this in the packet?

It's not in the packet. I thought of those points after. Today's bottom line up front, as I see it, is simply are we talking section 155.350 or 155.130 in our code? I'll attempt to hammer home a binary choice, but first, thank you yet again for setting aside your time to review this subject. Nine Line has been working for nearly six years with the county to develop the airport in a way that best benefits the community, both in appearance and revenue generation. Up until March of this year, the efforts have been collective and in good faith. But something happened in or around March that flipped the relationship seemingly, and I can't put my finger on the source. I do not see this as a work session. When put in sharp focus, this is really a debate. And the premise of the debate is simple. Is one of the least enumerated uses legal or not? And the answer to that, I believe, lies in Section 350 or Section 130 of Chapter 155. If I was convinced that what we were asking for was illegal, I would stand down and not waste your time. I am convinced, however, of just that. I've worked so hard on something only to encounter what I firmly believe is misinformation in the form of public declarative statements from county officials that I'm compelled to push back. As a financially vested partner to these proceedings, I have committed hundreds of hours to knowing this issue as best I can. We greatly appreciate the selfless efforts of the commission, the attorney, and the staff, but this issue, at least to us, has the appearance in the face of facts. Many, many declarative statements have been made by credentialed people, such as the attorney and planning director, that have tremendous sway on the selected body and the public. And past declarations have been qualified with such words as, quote, FAA regulations, and quote, federal law. Yet as we dig into it from a trust but verified perspective, on my part, and I wish to drop the term completely. What we are really talking about is a quote, lodging establishment, end quote, which is explicitly defined in Utah Code 29-2-102, which is pasted in handout number one that you've been given on page two of handout number one, Utah Code. I searched Google Maps, and there are only two commercial lodging establishments that show up in Horton County. Comfort Inn behind 7-Eleven and the Bar W Lodge in Peterson. Mountain Green has zero commercial lodging establishments. If a transient pilot were to fly into our resort valley, they would likely take their lodging needs outside the county. I believe in economic terms that's referred to as leakage. Nine Line plans to give them an option by way of a hangar motel. When asked which code by Commissioner Wilson in the last meeting, attorney smith anchored into title 15 chapter 155 section 350 as the quote on point code that outright prohibits it end quote i agree with him and that 350 is in fact all about residential units utah code 17-78-1102 defines a residential unit as a residential structure We are clearly building commercial hangars, not residential structures, which I therefore respectfully argue nullifies Attorney Smith's declaration on August 4th. If that logic sounds about right to you, then section 155.350 of the code is irrelevant to what Nine Line is applying for. The most logical on-point code for a commercial hangar and a commercial buffer zone is section 155.130. Commissioner Nickerson's August 4th line of hotel motel questioning pointed to this logic as well. Furthermore, please note that two days after the last meeting and after having learned that a new CUP was desired, Nine Line did apply for an updated CUP. In the interest of not using the full one hour, Nine Line has prepared three informative handouts in addition to the pre-work materials previously submitted. We also have other research items at the ready, if needed. We contend these handouts speak clearly to our issue. I respectfully ask that you review those as they put a finer point on the debate between Section 350 or 130. In conclusion, since March's initial applications, we have not been informed in writing the status of those permit applications, and we're left to guess on our own. Even if they are denied, it seems appropriate that such formal notification be made to us. Nine Line, a hometown aviation company, is here to ask this body to use its legitimate vested powers.

lease agreement. So if you could have it, stick it behind you. And I like your analysis to come up with, but it would be a commercial versus residential. So if we're trying to do, and I don't like the lease either, and I've always stated that, so you know, I'll be...

the least cost per square foot is extremely cheap. And so to encourage additional revenue to help support them

One of the things I think I said was the people staying and saying they must be accompanied by an airplane. I said they can't drive their car. It's for aviator. It's not, hey, this seems like a nice place for me to camp out. we met at the board and discussed with different people options that tax base here to help support our airport one of the things i was reading in our audit report today was we now have that line item for the airport we have it for the rifle range so we know what it costs us to run so we know where our fees should be is it on the backs of the people do we need to increase you know cost of the airport so it's not on the general public and we're starting to figure out where that is but i mean any

Yeah, no I do like to see that area grow and bring in a lot of revenue for the county and beautify the airport as well however I'm still on the opposite I thought it was housing locally. So I did look up these two public airports you have listed here, the Seeley Lake, Montana, and the Santa Maria, California, and I spoke to their, I spoke to Mike, the supervisor at Santa Maria Public Airport. It's not a public airport. It was turned over to the county in 1949 after World War II. then the county turned it over to the city in 1964 and then it became a special district so it's not a publicly owned airport speaking with my thesis this housing that you see up here is not on the airport property it's on a piece of private land it's close to it but it's not housed and he was And that is technically not a public airport, either. It is owned by the state. And they do have a hotel on it, that Radisson Hotel. But they, too, were very leery of doing a pilot seat, particularly around there.

Well, if I may, even if I stick to the premise, which I don't, I've stayed at Radisson, state does legalizing marijuana to another like i don't think that a precedent is required in order to press forward with i what i believe is a legal agreement in every manner and form i don't think i need a precedent i mean i'm betting when elon musk had pushed back I think it makes it an illegal question. So even if I stipulate, OK, take away all of the comparables, OK, this is still somehow illegal?

Well, for our code, we can't have .

Here's the code.

Here's the code right here. I'm going to stop it because our code just doesn't allow it.

Can you stop the mic?

So okay, so you you have the lease and just because the lease says you can have an Aviator Airbnb it also says that you have to follow our code And so an Airbnb isn't is residential. It's not allowed on commercial and then so then you go down to the commercial buffer and you can look at the hotel motel bed and breakfast and It doesn't qualify for any of those, per the definitions in our code. Now, with that, I'm not saying you can't change the code to make it work. You can make something work and change the code, but what I would recommend is get a solid plan of how it's going to look, because even if you Are entitled to a cup to apply for one you're not entitled to that cup Unless you fill out the application you go through all the building codes and fire codes and show us what it's going to look like and and pay the fee and everything. And then it's something that can be completely evaluated based on what it's actually going to be. But I think a lot of this is talking about everyone has a different picture in their head of what it's supposed to be. And I don't think we know.

Can I address that real quick? Sure. Sorry. I just want to address a couple things real quick. I'm going to get to this point. We've submitted architectural plans for this project. full elevations, full floor plans, meet all the code for what's gonna happen there, okay? Now if we miss something in there or an architect or engineer or somebody, but those exist and we're happy to provide those to the council or anybody to take a look at. It even has renderings of what the exterior and from the curbside, it's addressed the fire code, it's addressed egress, ingress, and all of those issues. So those already exist. So we're not hypothetically making up a building. It already is designed.

So what we were informed from planning today is that application is not complete.

Okay, so let me just address one other thing here, okay? So I just want to address this. I live in this community. And I'm very thankful to be able to live here. Every time I've come before this council or any of these county employees, I'm very thankful for the work you guys do. But for some reason, it feels to me like you guys are trying to make this personal. And I just want to take that out of the mix, okay? So if this is about me and Matt building a building down there, We're happy to step aside because financially it means nothing to me to build the building. I want to build the building because I love our community and I think we do a really good job in our community. So let's just take us out of the mix and we can just put that aside and Buster can get a different contractor if it's personal against us. Now I don't know if it is or not, but if it is, We're happy to step aside if we're the problem here. But when you say that this has not been designed, I wrote the check for $10,000 for part of the design, okay? So these drawings exist. The building department has these drawings. They've looked at these drawings. If we need to get these drawings and bring them out here tonight so the commission can look at them, let's is what we would need the drawings in order to look at any code amendments because It's just not allowed under our code And and I don't have any bias towards any of you I'm from Montana, I don't care so I

I just read the code and protect the county.

What we're dealing with, federal and state, I believe it's gone silent. Declarations about federal FAA rules, federal law, that's all gone silent. And I think I know why. They were declarative statements made in the county, and they are unsupportable. That county ordinance does not allow it. Please quote it. It's one and a half page right here, 350. It talks about residential units. I did not apply for residential. A residential unit by Utah definition is a residential structure. If I were to paste a picture of a hanger on a piece of paper next to a picture of a house and ask any citizen, circle all residential structures on this paper, we know what would happen. So I'm not asking for residential unit. And 350 is one and a half pages long. This is the whole ordinance. This is the ordinance from which it's been declared illegal. Show me in here where it says anything about a commercial building in a commercial buffer zone. This is about residential unit. And I stipulate I am not building or asking for a residential unit, which is a residential structure in Utah code definition. give you the quote on that i did give you the quote and i'm happy to do it again if somebody wants to look it up so 155.350 is irrelevant because it explicitly talks residential units and i'm not asking for residential so what code are you referring to when you say it's against our code so you can't have an airbnb in a commercial i didn't ask for an airbnb i asked for a motel

Okay, so then you're going to have to apply for a conditional use permit. If you read the definition of hotel in our code, it's 16 or more people.

And guess what? I asked for a motel. And what's the definition of motel?

Motel, you have to be serving the motorized public. And that's not aeronautical public.

Oh, in your interpretation. It's not a motorized vehicle.

It's a motor. Okay, but you still have to apply for the conditional use permit and follow all the code and everything.

I paid $311. And here's the receipt from August 6th for $311. So you've applied for a new seat.

I did, August 6th. You can ask for a motel. Whatever it is he's asked for.

It's not complete. It's been denied. And I believe the understanding is that fire, maybe Chris can talk more directly.

I think Chris can talk to it because there's actually three, there's three different applications that have come in and I think Chris can address each of those. And starting with the shells, then the tendon improvements, and then the CEP.

Okay, sorry. First off, it's been great working with all of you. It's a tough situation. The building permits were applied for the building department determined that there was no interior documentation of the buildings. Therefore, that brought up the communication that we would approve the shells only, okay? And that was communicated to everybody. Those still are not complete due to we are awaiting the payment for those shells, okay? So we're still awaiting that, therefore they're not complete, just for clarity. Okay, the next, the TIs, the tenant improvement, they were denied due to the bedrooms being specified on the plans. And I think I've communicated that to you as, well, no, not at that time. Not at that time. Remember the TIs, no, no, no, the tenant improvement.

I haven't received anything on that, Chris.

Those have been, that application part of it was denied for that portion.

When did that happen and how did we get which I have not seen yet. Did I miss it or did we not get it?

Possibly. I reconfirmed it today when I was made aware of this. I wanted to make sure that there was factual material that I presented to you. And so we can go over that, okay? Then I had an opportunity of communicating with Buster and understood that he was maybe going a different direction. and that conditional use permit that conditional use permit that you came into the office that we talked about you applied for on august 6th and that is currently under review And I have spoken with Golden Barrett, the fire marshal. He's looking into some of his stuff, right? Obviously, the building department, we're looking at our part with... continually reviewing the plans that have been submitted. But really, the conditional use permit's gonna come down to the zoning and whatever conditions are put on by planning or by the commission. So.

So if there are hoops to jump through, we will jump through. I'm looking for a declaration that this is not in any way been proven

state code, Utah code, county code. There's nothing illegal about this. You don't need to be a lawyer.

You just need to read English. And so, for example, the CEP thing and the timing. I've stated it 100 times if I've said it once. I'm an aviator, not a developer. But everybody doesn't have these handouts. And so I talk about the CEP mixed messages. In April of 2025, YouTube timestamps of the discussions we had. If you did something like that, let's make it more of a commercial theme motel rather than a, that's me inserting, rather than a long-term private aircraft storage. It's allowed under the CUP. I already have a CUP on the 9. It's allowed under the CUP. We have it under the CUP. The CUP is very general related to aviation businesses at the airport, so there's no need to amend the CUP. So I was working off of that understanding. On August 4th, I hear a new CEP is required. On August 6th, I'm in here doing it. Tell me what hoops, I'll jump through. But if you make declarative statements that it is somehow illegal or prohibited, please back up your statement in law.

It's not allowed unless you have a conditional use permit that follows everything.

Read the words for me, please.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's illegal. I'm saying it's not allowed until you get the conditional use permit.

So I guess this is a debate that only certain people can speak to. I mean, you're the one that framed it as a debate. And as you just read that, was there any talk about a pilot? Said I suggested it to you as a VRBO to distinguish it from phase one of the airport because that's long-term aircraft storage and There I said short-term aircraft storage and so there was never a meeting of the minds to what you had envisioned in your head to what I was presenting to the Commission based on our agreement and so I think If you look at it, your initial CUP allowed for storage of aircraft in your hangars as part of your supporting your commercial activity. Your narrative in your initial one talked about aircraft repair, paint shop, whatever else it was, it was included in there so you wouldn't need to amend a CUP to store aircraft. But to store people, to lodge people, that's different.

I've already sent it to the Commission. You said on August 4th that there was a meeting of the minds. And there was not a meeting of the minds for exactly what you just said. I said sleep with your plane. Okay, so clearly you and I did not have a meeting of the minds. But that doesn't matter because all of these elected officials voted to approve a lease as written that we had up here. So maybe you and I didn't have a meeting of the minds, but the power resides right here if I understand myself. the power of this body to compel the staff to do what is right, which is what's in the agreement, which maybe you and I didn't understand, and I apologize for that, but you even said it is prohibited by 350. That is false.

It's not false. That's my understanding and I stand behind it because a short-term aviator lodging The closest thing that falls under our code to short-term anything is our short-term rental.

You anchor in the short-term. I anchor in the lodging. And you know what else is in lodging? Lodging establishment is defined in Utah code.

In Utah code, it is. But also hotel, motel, other things are defined in our code as well.

Well, the power is right here. And they voted on it, and we have an agreement. And I have tried and tried and only gotten to say part of my story. And listen. legal, that's not right. I know this subject. I have self-educated myself on this subject. And if I was wrong, I will say I'm wrong. But I have learned I am right. Until somebody proves

And I think that's fine to say. And I guess I'll just say I've given my recommendation, my interpretation of the code. You have a zoning administrator that's given their interpretation of the code. If you want UCIP or insurance carrier, whoever it is that you want someone else to come in and tell you what I've told you that they've said, we can do that.

I got liability if somebody slips on my sidewalk, going up to my front door. Calvin's got liability if somebody hurts themselves. Have you been out and watched daily operations on the airport? If you watch the bicycles, the children? I've seen children with remote control airplanes by the front with their dad. Okay, so is somehow a motel... People who fly in in inexpensive airplanes are going to do something that enhances the liability such that QSIP or whatever that insurance plan is somehow changes the calculus on the airport. My point would be, no. There's nothing different about having a motel there. Somebody flies in on a Monday, they depart on a Saturday. One arrival, they go skiing all week, one departure. How does that change what we do right now? Why is USIP even brought in?

because there are insurance indemnity pool and they advise us on what we advise our county and no I haven't been out to the airport I'm not I don't live out there I don't watch the day-to-day operations but I do know that they've talked about it Airport Advisory Board meetings or at least the one I attended that it was an issue

And I would like to give some history back, so I went digging in the old airport files and in 2005 the same issue came back and there was a lot of presentations and testimony presented by David Gardner, Pat Morley from the Utah Department of Transportation Division of Aeronautics, and he told the council that, well, at the time they were talking about selling the airport property for hangar homes or just building hotels or hangar homes or stuff like that on that and it was highly recommended and the commission or the council shot down um hangar homes or any kind of lodging at the airport at that time as well as selling the airport and what they really wanted to focus on was aeronautical activities and building up the airport that way so the commission has addressed this extensively before and it's been shot down.

Let me just add one little thing here that I think is confusing this issue. So the term VRBO or short-term rental or anything like this, in all of our discussions, that was used as a concept. Clearly, clearly when you talk about VRBO or Airbnb, it can have a negative connotation to it. Like I think about my neighbors renting out their home and they're having a big party there and all of that. And so there's, you know, we've developed ordinances and codes around a residential home which we're allowing to rent out. This is not that. This doesn't fit that. This is commercial property. Buster is not allowed, we're not allowed, we can't even, his lease is so restrictive, I cannot put my airplane in his hangar and rent his hangar personally, okay? Buster cannot put his own airplane inside that hangar he builds, unless it's related to the business purpose of the lease. Now the commission very carefully established that because they determined they wanted this to be commercial. They wanted this to generate revenue. So that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to leave this as commercial. Now we keep mixing in this residential use or commercial use, and I think that's kind of confusing. is do we want, does this commission want this to be commercial? And if they want it to be commercial, they've got to allow him to be successful. He's not going to invest his money if he can't be successful at it. And so he's so restricted already, either remove his restrictions to allow him to be successful and do something else, or Alternatively, look at what he's allowed to do that's not a problem at all. He can bring in a flight school tomorrow. If I lived in the Cottonwoods, I would have a fit with 10 airplanes flying around my house for eight hours a day, and we're talking hundreds of landings. This has been a huge problem for the Bountiful Airport, the Sky Park, for Spanish Fork, also for Brigham City now where Utah State's moved down there. And kids got to learn how to fly. That's one thing. But to bring in a commercial flight school, which is one viable option that Buster would have that he's completely allowed to do right now, that he doesn't really want That's a negative thing. So we look at these options as something that, and we all got together, we all talked about it, and when this idea came up, everybody thought this was good for our community as we talked about it. Now, I think we just have to address that. And if it's something you guys absolutely don't want, then tell them what you do want. Or if it's something that's absolutely not allowed, tell them it's absolutely not allowed. And if it's us, we'll step aside and let somebody else do it. I just want what's best for our community. So that's my opinion on it.

And when we were doing the contract buster, you had a

that coming at us at all i saw the other businesses that you were talking about when we were doing the lease but then what did it actually pivot it it never did pivot so as far as when this was all being discussed in past council meetings many examples were given and all the examples given crop shop All of them were mentioned. The VRBO one actually got more legs than all of them as far as the discussion goes. I'll bet you more seconds were spent in public discussion on that concept, which, again, dropped the VRBO. It was bad news, bad, I mean, words matter, right? And your motel.

And in my mind, I'm thinking VRBO for airplanes, not for humans.

This is a view.

It doesn't prohibit the short-term storage. That's how we distinguished it in the quote that you just read.

I thought everything was copacetic, and then all of a sudden, I'm a persona non grata. I love everybody here, right? We just have a disagreement. I'd like to keep it in the proper context. I'm grateful that somebody steps up and represents our county, but there are times when each of us in life is going to find themselves wrong, and if I'm wrong here, I would not be fighting it if I would gracefully bow. But the reason that this is an issue to try to get satellite precision propeller employees. I've been to four different avionics shops. You want to set up an avionics shop here. This is what I'm doing. Show them the plans. Airframe and power plants. I've talked to all of them. And they are like, that's a tough spot for flying. Day only, good weather, can't shoot an instrument approach. Check that the avionics I fixed are working. have the signals here so it's a tough sell so my gamble is my backstop if I can't get these companies coming I got three airplanes I want the convenience of a propeller repair shop I want the convenience of a guy that can touch up I want to just pull my airplane next door and get it taken care of I too want the same thing but this is my safety net on risk I believe that where we live all graciously thank our blessings for this valley is people want to come here and visit. And I believe that if I'm losing money on these two hangers, this hanger is likely to be making money. So it's my backstop. And I need my backstop. So I am fighting for my backstop.

So it's one hanger out of the five you're talking about?

Well, it depends. It's like of them and if if once they're up it inspires these avionics shops and these propeller air shops to come in first kids but if i'm sitting on them for two three years empty shelves i'm going to reserve the right each of those leases allows and i'm going to if i'm if my gamble is correct then the one motel is got a lot of demand and it's making money and this this hangar's

So where I'm leery is I've talked to a lot of airport managers and supervisors, and I've yet to have one say, oh, that's an awesome idea. I'm like, why isn't someone saying, that is so cool, that's awesome, which it is an awesome idea, right? But the other ones are on private property. off the airport.

So I put this picture in your materials that you all sent. Sorry for the small postage stamp, but it's in the pre-work materials. This is actually, there's 82 airplanes here. This was two weeks ago. Publicly owned in 82 airplanes and tents and we're sleeping temporarily on the circle And oh, I played cornhole with the president Katie crippled in the semifinals President of AOPA aircraft owners and pilots association largest dumb luck that we ended up the guy I didn't even know who she was couldn't pull her out of the lineup What do you think? He's not the president. I was like, I'm still going to beat you. But it was American, and it was fun. And that was on a public airport. There were hundreds of people camping. So if precedent is a concern, I don't know if that qualifies or not for you.

That's what I meant.

Yeah, they said you have more leeway if you're not tied to federal funds. I mean, it's just like we talked about getting grants, but for the federal, there's a long string to catch the federal fund.

So, I mean, we're getting kind of short on time.

We do have a different part of the commissioning.

I would just like a little clarification if I may. So...

We may need to update our definition of motel, but it's not insurmountable.

So the next question is, for me, as an electrician, I've dealt with a lot of building having habitable structures above garages and shops. It basically comes down to how much money do you want to spend for a fire separation, sprinkler system, I don't think that's our concern. I think that concern lies if the planning department says, hey, this is what we require per fire, per code. That's then up to you to decide whether you're going to spend that kind of money. I don't think that's our decision. I think that's, again, that's me personally. If it can be done, I mean, let's look at some of walls, doors, all sorts of things so that that fire, if it starts, does not spread to the house on occasion.

and we have the authority to do that but we have to make sure that we're following the current code and then if we change it there's one more thing that i wanted to address really quick buster with you and that was i know that there's been comments made on social media i don't think any of those are fair because i think most of the people making those comments are not involved in any of this frankly and to my knowledge nobody in this been involved in any of those discussions on social media so I hope you know that regardless of what anybody decides to say out there that's their business that's not our business and and I don't take my cues from social media that. I was merely stating that because I wanted you to know that that's not just because you read crap on there doesn't mean that's how we feel or how the staff feels or anybody else in this building feels.

The reason I was tying that in, I apologize, is when I said declarative statements that sway the commission and the public. So I've never had one account ever on social media. Boy, am I glad now. repeating these declarations of illegality and I'm just like I would have taken a hook line and sinker if I had not done the deep dive I did the deep dive and I'm like there's nothing in our code that I can find that prohibits a motel in a commercial buffer zone for the motorized public of which you know if you're on a can you get a DUI on an electric bicycle yes it's a motorized vehicle you get one on a

My whole comment was just social media is what it is. Please don't think that that is any of us going on there.

They do, right, when their motor's off? Buster, can you educate me on FBO versus motels?

Pilots do. There are pilot lounges at FBOs, usually with really nice, lazy boys, because they're waiting for a rich client to come back who doesn't show up and wants to leave at 4 in the morning, so they sleep at the FBO, the fixed-base operator. But there's not traditional lodging as defined by Utah code as a lodging establishment. So I don't know if that answers your question, but there are crew rest facilities at FBOs.

So just a quick, so really we just need to let the CUP.

So Chris, can you give us an update on the CUP? You said it was in process. Said it was denied.

I apologize, I'll talk really loud, but it is under review. I am putting notes together about it. fitting they would not pass there's got to be specified two-hour firewalls there can't be any penetration of the living quarters into the storage area of the planes there can't be they can only be accessible from the exterior different things like that for that we understand all that the typical process that i've dealt with in the past is

I mean, that's typically the process, but that's not really the process here. So if for some reason we've missed firewall detail or something like that, just let us know and we'll get it.

It's in response.

You're mixing them up. The tenant improvement was denied, but the CUP that was just submitted is just in review.

I didn't get anything even on the tenant improvements. And again, Garrett, on that, now if they're denying that process based on you guys or on code or on something like that, I understand that. But if they're denying it because they think some detail was missed on the plans, That's just kind of strange to me. Just let us know.

If they think we missed a detail, we'll fix it. Maybe I'm wrong here, but my understanding is that the tenant improvement was denied because there is no CUP. Is that correct?

Well, and it took us months to remove someone who was living on the airport. So living on the airport is not allowed. It took us months to remove people that were living on the airport. So it's not allowed under our code. And I know that we've gone back and forth. And the commercial buffer is an underlying zone. It's not the airport. The airport overlay is a superseding zone on top of commercial buffer and the discussion of commercial buffer is to say Even the underlying zone is commercial not residential now I I think the best thing you've brought up today, Buster, and I'll just give you credit for it, is you're focusing on the lodging and you're trying to get rid of the short-term, which looks at a different analysis of the code that wouldn't fall under the short-term rental. Because the short-term rental, once again, that's where it's like if we're talking about VRBOs for airplanes, we're talking about short-term rentals. That's what it is, and that's what all the records show that we were talking about. I get you're pivoting away from that now, which is fine, and it allows us to reanalyze it to say, okay, is this something that isn't residential and can be figured out through our code? But I just hope you understand that I put a lot of hours with you to get us to where we're at. I mean, we spent a lot of time back in 2022. We've met multiple times, and I feel like I've given you ideas that you've taken and run with, and hopefully it works out the way that works for everyone, right? And it's not just for one side. But I do take issue. I feel a little blindsided today because you're trying to quote me with your commentary in the background as you're quoting me. I feel like it's out of context and not accurate to what the context of the discussion was. And then when I'm saying, well, that's exactly what I said, and you're like, but it's different in the context. I mean, I was in those meetings too. And so... If you're wanting to work in good faith, it doesn't feel that way when you're nitpicking what we're saying. And I'm happy to meet with you and chat through it if that's what you want to do. But I guess at the end of the day, it was VRBO. It was short-term rental. It wasn't lodging. And I get, you're advocating your position and you're saying, forget all that stuff I said and let's just focus on this now. But it's not fair to say that the short-term rental and the interpretation of the code is wrong and it's whatever. That was the focus. And I'm willing to have an open mind and look at it from a new perspective. So thank you for bringing that perspective. But once again, the commercial buffer is an underlying zone. The airport overlay is a superseding zone. And so we'll just need to make sure that it still fits. And airport overlay zone, I remember the whole chapter. There's nothing in there that talks about lodging, hotels, hotels. Well, it's specific to commercial aviation-related activities as approved by the owner of the airport. I've always asked for commercial.

I was wrong to inflate VRBO for commercial. I stipulated. I dropped that term. It was poorly chosen.

Even the wording in the lease, you know, it doesn't say VRBO or...

but short-term rentals. That whole concept. And I think we can move. Buster and I have come to a meeting of the minds, and I think we need to move forward. Thank you.

You guys ready?

Let's do it.

You're not staying? Oh, come on. This is hours of enjoyment.

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our August 18 Commission meeting. Appreciate your attendance. I think you got left. Better start paying attention. He'll be out of here. Welcome those that are online as well. We just finished our work session with nine lines. And we're going to have a prayer by Honorable Commissioner Fackrell, and he'll lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance also.

Our Father in heaven, this afternoon we're grateful for this opportunity that we have to be here and to be able to serve and to be able to discuss the necessary things that need to be discussed within our county to help to continue to beautify and to make this a better place to live. We're grateful for our country and for the freedoms that we have that we can do those many activities and things within the country that can benefit us all. We're thankful for. The blessings of rain that we've had this week, we pray that that will bless us with more, that we may be able to fill the reservoirs and be able to take care of those necessary necessities that we need in our lives. We are thankful and we pray that we may be able to have the blessings, the spirit to be able to be with us this night, that we may be able to make the right decisions for the benefit of our county. These things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen.

Let's say the Pledge of Allegiance.

Thank you, Commissioner Fackrell. I have to admit, I didn't get every policy read. I passed out before I can go through it all. I'm assuming our attorneys have gone through that.

We've done a full read mine, made a few changes that were incorporated into what went into the packet.

Did anyone have any questions on anything that they did read? Okay, I'll look for a motion then.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the consent agenda. I'll second the motion.

I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Commissioner, declarations of conflict of interest. Do we have any tonight? Okay, I have none, so we'll move on to our action items. I'm sorry. Yes. It's in blue. That's why I couldn't see it. We want to invite our public. Anyone that's here from the public that would like to address anything that's on our agenda tonight? Well, our public comment period is going to be. OK. Seeing none. We'll move on. OK. Action item number one, E1. I guess Josh isn't here.

Mr. Chair, I move that we postpone action item E1 to our next meeting on September 1. Second.

We have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Fackrell. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? OK. Sean? You like coming to these meetings, don't you?

May I ask, Mr. Chair, we don't have our screens. I don't have my screen here. I mean, I have mine other here.

I guess we can just pull it up on our pads.

It's on page 266. Or we set it online. Would be the contract. Cool.

Cool. All right. Good evening, commissioners. This is just getting your approval. This is for the grant money that we were just awarded from the state. This is for the PLSS. We were awarded $24,836.80. That will be for the rest of 26 and then 27 year. I was asking for your approval and signatures.

So this is just for monument preservation, correct? Kind of when we made that ordinance. Correct. So this is to support that. It's great that that money is available and hopefully we'll continue to get grants to Because I know when we looked over it, it's not cheap to replace those and to find them to do all that. That's great.

I'm grateful. We're going to have some people that take them out, get to pay for them to put them back in, because that's only fair to our community. Absolutely.

Do you want to ask? Yeah.

Oh, I have to ask first.

Okay, Sean, is this the same grant money that we've been getting for all these years? I mean, it started out about $42,000 that Brenda got, and it's just decreased from there. Is there any way to get a higher amount?

The more work and the more inventory that we can show that the county's giving back, the more money that we could potentially get. So it's decreased because we're not showing that the county is doing any work. So... Hopefully, going forward, we can start showing that we're doing more work and putting more effort into the monument preservation, and then we can start getting more from the state with grants.

So what was that money used for then that we were getting? Tell us. So you're... Like you're saying, if we show we're doing something with it, I thought we were doing something with it.

You're only getting five to eight monuments a year with the money that we're spending for our contracted surveyor. The price paying them to do it is extremely expensive. So we're not getting as much as we would as if we had the in-house surveyor.

So we're probably never going to get more unless we put money ourselves in? Is that what you're saying?

No, it's by quantity of number of monuments we save.

Well, no, but they're the same cost.

Well, no, because it's passed through to a subcontracted surveyor. And that was part of our reasoning for hiring a surveyor was when they're not doing contract and stuff, we can use them for our things. And so we have them on the books. We can get more. That's my understanding is we can get But by having that surveyor in-house, when they're not doing things that's passed through for the planning department, we can use them to get more monuments because they're in-house. We're not subcontracting. So I think that's the idea, is we'll be able to get more done because that surveyor will be in-house and we're not subcontracting.

So we're going to get more for less? Correct.

That's my understanding. Correct. So hopefully, by showing that, Are we moving forward on our surveyor? I know we've discussed just briefly, but hopefully we're getting close. We hope so. Excellent. So hopefully if we get that in-house surveyor, things move forward. I think to answer Commissioner Fackrell's question, this number should increase because now we're showing we're doing more.

Correct. And then we also started part of the fund to go into a fund similar to that for monuments, didn't we? The monument preservation fund? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Great. OK, so that'll help once you get a surveyor.

Any other questions? OK, I'll look for a motion then.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the agreement with the state of Utah, Division of Technical Services, the Geospatial Resource Center, the Monument Replacement Restoration funding to not exceed $24,836. I'll second it.

I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. Thank you. Janet.

Janet Christopherson, Deputy County Attorney. So I am here to request two commissioners to basically Janet-proof my life and supervise me and help me with development agreements. So I know that Chair Wilson and Commissioner Newton are over the planning department. And so that's initially who I was gonna ask for, but since Chair Wilson is leaving, I don't wanna get attached and then abandoned. It just breaks my little heart. So I was hoping we'd just move down to vice chair and if I could have those two help me negotiating from inception when I get these development agreements. I do have one that I just got a couple weeks ago that is a town center where they are requesting a reduction in commercial. So it would be nice from the get-go to have some help and extra eyes.

I actually think that's working well. I think it worked well with the Cottonwoods, and I think it's a great idea. I think we should have been doing them a long time ago. So, yeah.

Come if you want to come, Chair.

Well, I'm... We just have to notice it as a... Oh, that's true.

Never mind. You don't get to.

So, okay. Do we need to make a motion on this one? I don't know as we do, do we?

I think if there's a consensus, if everyone's okay with that, I don't think it requires a motion.

Anybody have a problem with that?

I don't.

Okay. All right. Congratulations, you two.

Yay. Thanks. More meetings to go to. Yay.

Thanks, Janet. Thanks for all you do behind the scenes. I know you do a lot.

that department that's great okay honorable Garrett Smith so this is a request and I'll just say thank you again last year for Giving budget for a deputy attorney hasn't worked out so far. And to fill the gaps, we've, in fact, temp legal was taken down to zero completely. So I've been borrowing to have Dean cover justice court. You may recognize Julia. She's been here a number of times. She's our intern and has done fantastic work. really has put in a lot of effort and is worth more than we pay her for sure. But she's doing a great job. So I'm just hoping that this will be a gap to finish the end of the year. think Janet and I have not gone to any training this year just so that we can have the help that we need in the office and we're hoping yeah this will be enough to make it to the end but it does come from the permanent employees which would have gone to the deputy attorney as the salary and so I can't just move it out of that to use it so that's why I'm making this request

Mr. Chair, I move that we... Hang on, hang on. Blaine has a question.

So, when we had Justice Court, what did we hire this year? Wasn't that a Justice Court person of 4,000?

That is to represent the indigent, those that can't afford, so it's only for defense, not for prosecution. Yeah, so the county has to pay for any defendants who can't afford their own attorney. We have to pay for them to be represented.

I thought that person was also supposed to be taking care of some other cases also.

So you have to have a prosecutor and then the defense attorney to represent the interests of the state versus the interest of the individual defendants.

So that's why the defense attorneys are under me, as are the conflict attorneys?

Do we use that budget a lot?

All the time. Really? Well, there's a contract, so it's a flat fee. And then there's a little bit of buffer to pay for the conflicts. And we hope that there's enough in there to pay conflicts through the year. But I am asking at this budget session to have it go to Kate completely, because I don't want there to be a conflict of me choosing the prosecutor's opponents. Because that could be looked at, oh, I'm looking for someone who may not represent the defendants well, which that doesn't work either. We prefer the best that we can get.

So even if you had an in-house attorney, you could not cover that under Justice Court?

No, we've always had a contract. Previously, it was with Weber County. they're the ones that dissolved that contract so that's why I believe you sat on that board to select Marshall Law and then now we also have Colton McKay as our conflict of interest attorney should Marshall Law be conflicted on that case and are actually in the process of contracting an additional conflict of interest attorney because we do have a case coming up where both of our

um defense attorneys are conflicted okay so um in the future are we going to be able to get somebody other than the contracted dean or or is it always going to be that case i mean that way

Oh, the plan would be to have a deputy attorney come in as the prosecutor for justice. And so Doug, at the beginning of the year, was coming in to take that over. That was the intent. We still had Dean there to help train him and cover it because it's at the same time as our commission meetings. Okay. But eventually, that would be the plan is to have a deputy attorney that can take the justice court, probably take a lot of what I do in the district court and the juvenile court as well so that I can have more.

But indigent defense will always be on contract?

Yeah, because they're- But the justice court could be on contract? No, it would be an employee.

The Justice Court prosecutor could be an employee, but defense would be a contractor. And we have to pay for the defense also.

If they meet the requirements where they cannot afford an attorney, then yes.

Yeah, it's a Sixth Amendment right that we have to foot the bill for. Okay, great.

OK, Commissioner Rankin.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the budget adjustment as requested, removing funds from the attorney payroll and benefits line item to temporary legal costs.

Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Favreau. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? OK, Kate.

Do you want to do the next one or you want me to?

I can do it. So this is one that came for my signature. It's something that we've talked about for a couple years, I think. So it may have been approved in a prior commission meeting, but as far as this current version of the contract with the new effective dates, we wanted to make sure that it was approved in a commission meeting. And so just looking for approval of the contract and then authorization for Kate, Leslie, and myself to sign it.

And specifically, this is for the pavement preservation of the airport. which you've awarded the contract to Morgan Pavement. They're waiting for that car show, plane show that you approved the conditional use permit is August 29th, 28th. So they're waiting until after that's done to do the improvement, which actually worked out great because our county started on fire and a lot of helicopters took off from Mountain Creek.

Okay. So you're asking for authorization for you to sign it?

Just to sign the grant agreement.

Why can't we have the chair do it?

And I think we have in the past. And so I think it's fine. Whoever the commission authorizes to sign it is fine.

I'm just looking at the executive authority versus other authorities is all. And do we pass that on to an employee? Because I know the state law coming up next year that is doing something about that.

Can you expound on that?

So essentially what he's saying is in lieu of me signing as the sponsor, it would be you as chair.

Because we're the executive and legislative authority of the county. And according to that law that is being brought about that Senator Winterton, that you guys will hear about later, it talks about the authorities of who is able to sign papers.

Kind of like an auto pen. Like what? Like an auto pen. Authorizing an auto pen to sign your signature.

I'm fine signing it. Whatever. I don't. It doesn't matter. I'm just asking the question is all. I don't know if that's going to change it.

I believe the reason I signed this is because it was the application sponsor, not, it doesn't say that I'm chair of the county or, but like I said, we can always.

It says there you're the administrative manager and we just give you the authority. That's all it is. And so I'm fine with it. I just want to make sure that we're. We're doing everything right.

Yeah, as far as, and I don't know if that law will pass, and if it does, then we may have to rethink things, even with the opioid that you've given me authority to sign for. Right. So it can be either at this point. We just wanted to make sure it came here before.

As long as we approve it, it's okay.

That's right. Okay. As long as you grant authority. Okay. I'm fine with that. All right. I'll look for motion then.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the, you just, sorry, I'm going to clarify. You're just looking for approval of the entire contract, the money, or just the signatures?

Just approval of the contract and that we can sign on behalf of the county.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the contract with entering a grant contract to the state of Utah for the development of public airports, the pavement preservation project, and approving County Manager Kate Becker to sign.

I'll second the motion.

I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? OK, motion passes. Kate?

Okay, next up is your Community and Economic Opportunity Board, as part of the $200,000 Go-Ed grant that the county receives every year, has budgeted for an additional tranche of grants this year, considered the fall growth grants. So these are their recommendations for the grants that were submitted to be funded.

May I ask some questions? Go for it. We didn't receive any information on what they're really going to do and why they needed it. There's a few of them in here that I have some questions on because some of them have been given money in the past for those same items. And so I'm curious, is anything gonna come about from this time or not? Because there's few here that have been awarded it two times already for the same purpose. And I don't think it's right that we go and give them again for the same thing.

So I'm happy to give you that information. I'm gonna disagree with you that any of these are duplicates because that actually was a reason for several being declined. was because we would not give monies. Like Nine Line was one of the ones that was declined because he was asking for aeronautical tools, and we've given him grants twice.

And we've given it twice for that. Correct. So you've got Brighton Blades that has had it for the same kind of thing. You've had, and nothing against them. But we haven't. I mean, but you've got, there's some, I mean, website creation. That one was done for two years, and now they're coming back on it. a year and a half later and they want to do the same thing again. What did they do the last time with it? And then there's some others here, Wasatch Caregivers, Wasatch Senior Care, I don't even know who they are and what is it they want? They want digital and print marketing for what? I'm just bringing up questions because I was there, I know what was happening and now we're doing some of the same things and why are we doing it? We didn't get any information on this. And I think we need to have some information, just a little bit of information about what their plans are, what their purpose is in trying to get these. And of course, you know, why didn't some of them get more than what, I mean, they requested more on a small amount and yet they don't get it. And then we have a construction company that's coming in and what do they want? I mean, what is the, I just want a little more information before we just go and give away all this money that we've got.

Okay.

So that's just my thought.

So there is a process. The county in 2024 did not have essentially rules and regulations or agreements for these grants. So I can't hold anyone liable for our new requirements for the grant that were not in place in 2024. As for the documentation that you've had this packet for a month or a week, and I could have given you that information at any time, it's public information except for their financials, which are protected as part of the agreement. These are not my recommendations. They're the recommendations of the CEO board. They go through every single grant. They take out the ones that are disqualified for things like not turning in their financials, not giving 100% of their ownership listings. A big one is people that ask for more money than their previous year's annual revenue. It's not a startup grant, it's a growth grant. So they go through and they rate them and then they take the money that they have and they prorate, like Milk Barn Creamery, they were asking for three milkshake machines, but for their three locations, and our grant is specific to, it has to be equipment for Morgan County, so we only approved one of the three. Higby Honey, he's never asked for website upgrades, he's always asked for digital content creation. Wasatch Caregivers is the, the senior living facility here in town? They have to apply under their actual business LLC, which also disqualified some. So this is digital and print marketing for that. So same thing, Hooked Up Plumbing is for digital advertising, trade-specific tools. Achieve Fitness, they asked for $10,000. They're doing a $200,000 building expansion and just asked for contribution towards the cost of expanding the business. In past, we have given them money for equipment. We've, Climax Tree Service has been given money in the past for, I believe, either a deposit on a vehicle or fixing the engine on an existing vehicle. This is the first time they've asked for a website and click optimization. Debs has always had signage or equipment. We've never, since the new There we go. Since the new rules went into place, they've never requested money specifically for website creation. That's actually something we specifically requested that they do because their website is a Facebook page, and not everyone has Facebook. Phoenix House is now the mountain... green bean um they asked for uh like a giant screen so they could change their menu without having to print um destination sports we declined two of her other grant requests because they were duplicates of years before but we did approve or they did recommend for the her intern because we have not done that in the past. Brighton Blades has not been an awardee in several years because their financials did not match and the hard part was a couple years ago they were banned from being able to advertise their blades on Facebook because it's a weapon and that law has since been rescinded and so now they can advertise again. Confluence Consulting, I don't remember off the top of my head. I can pull it up. Harrow Constructions is actually a roofing company. And Corner Cove, we've given them money towards equipment before, but not that type of equipment. So like I said, I'm happy to share with you what I am able to from that. But these are just the recommendations from the CEO board.

Nice job, Kate. And there's also a smaller board from the CEO board that you know this plan. So, yeah, it goes through it all. It goes through it all and chooses them. Yeah, it goes through a process.

But in the past, we've been able to see a little bit of what some of the things they're doing. When you say we got this a week ago, I'm sorry, it came to my email on Friday night. So I can't talk to you after that point. So anyway, besides that, it's just this. I'm just, so you've got two more that you're gonna do because this one says the fall grant, growth grant?

No, this is the end of the FY25-26 money.

Okay, all right, that sounds good. Okay, that clears up a lot, thank you.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the CEO growth grants as listed in the packet this evening.

I'll second it.

I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? Aye. Are there any opposed?

Kate?

OK.

It might just be easier on a lot of these budget adjustments if we just go through what you guys have allocated from general fund balance to date before I start asking you for a lot of money. Your general fund balance, as if we haven't spent or libeled any funds out of that account, is sitting at $7.3 million. The commission in Q1 allocated $503,000 of that, mainly from the monies from the previous year, where we were given monies for projects mainly for the courageous conversations, the attorney's equipment for the additional attorney, the fire turnout gear, which we were paid for, went into the general fund, and then didn't spend it all. Fire cement, you guys approved the cement correction. It didn't get spent that year because they didn't do the cement until the spring. Money went back to general fund. It was rebudgeted. The fire marshal benefits increased because it's a family now instead of an individual. Our workers' comp increased. The GIS benefits increased. The temp staff for the recorder, which you had budgeted for last year, And we just forgot to do that again. And in addition to the SQL software, that was Q1. That was $505,391 out of fund balance. In quarter two, you approved $18,254.99 or $18,255 to fix engine 141, which is the fire engine that we got back from WPR. A lot of stuff was broken on it. Since then, we've done a lot of capital improvement projects that have either were previously budgeted or have you've since approved budget changes out of the fairground electrical. Original budget for that and the multi-use fields was $855,000 on a general fund. We've got 256,956 that'll come out for fair electrical this year. And the multi-use fields will be 209,625. So that's only 470 instead of 855. The recorder's remodel, when we ran into some snafus with some bad things in the air, was originally budgeted at $17,000. You ended up spending $39,000 on that project. You approved the repair and painting of the library ceiling at $24,000. You approved the repair and flushing of the library gutters, which were originally estimated at $42,000, ended up only being $24,000. And you approved the replacement of the broken condensers throughout the building, which was $25,000. There was also 100,000 in Taggart's improvements that were budgeted to come on a general fund, but we ended up spending impact fee money on that instead. two other projects that you obviously still have going so the building addition and the cryden fire station we finally got our perk test back we're waiting on the final certificate and we're still waiting on mike to sign the contract not you mike mike schultz to sign the purchase um that's probably not going to Break ground this year being that we do have to go through the subdivision process once that agreements in place And to date you've only spent well with the perk test a little over $10,000 on that project the building addition Yep, the original was The original bid was 667 367 There's 46,000 left in that you've approved a Two major change orders, one when we found out that the building didn't have footings or a foundation to attach to, and the other was the condenser unit replacement and moving. That alone was $100,000. So the project to date is, in addition to the 667-367 original, is $191,000 over budget. And that is including the $100,000 for the footing foundation condenser. That also is including the asbestos remediation, the impact fee we had to pay to the city, having to, well, some of these, that includes pass-through money because we also had to move the court office. We had to create a space for the sheriff. We had to rerun the electrical for this printer just because we were shifting offices. So even though there are additional, here's the additional expenses that I'm asking for essentially tonight. So right now, the vault that was in the recorder's office is sheetrocked off. And it can be used as space for the recorder's office. That will cost us, I just got it today, an additional $16,845 to tear out that wall and sheetrock and paint. The countertop with the Cat 5 cable that she needs to block the public off from her space, but still have an ADA counter and an accessible door, is going to be 22,857.50, but an additional 8,280 to put the counter glass on it, kind of like Garrett has in his office. You already approved the shelves in the election room, and that's an additional 4,600. We're still waiting on three bids to come back on that. And then the last ask that I know of is storage. So we tried to pull, if you ever were in her vault, she had that track with the rolling shelves. We tried to repurpose those, and it It did not work. I think they're just a little too old. And so she will need a budget for shelving in her storage room. So that being said, I'm asking for essentially just to make us whole and have enough to finish this project, which literally gets painted next Friday. Like we're essentially done, except for putting in this counter shelves and moving her hoarder room which is the new election roof that you can't even move in moving all that stuff back into her space it's I'm asking essentially for a hundred and fifteen thousand dollars that we can get all these projects done with and then any of these little change orders like having to rekey the door having to move the sheriff's office having to move the fiber and the Starlink and The pass-through plan review fee from the city that will cover all of that and then I can stop coming back for this that and the other But that's a heck of a lot of projects you guys have done this year. The multi-use fields, the electronic upgrades, the fire station stairs, the sound and tech at the fair, the arrow pen at the fair, the crow's nest at the fair, the recorder remodel, the Croydon fire station library gutters, condenser replacement, and the library roof. ceiling have all either come out of the capital improvement fund, because I used every single penny, or general fund balance.

And so at this rest of it, you want us to bring it out of the fund balance?

Fund balance, yep.

So just a couple things, but like the electronic signs and that, sorry, not signs, but like the sound and audio, the Crow's Nest.

Those were passed through grants.

Those were passed through. I just wondered if people were thinking that that was passed through from the DAF.

We had three grants, the Crow's Nest or the announcer stand at the fair, the sound and tech at the fair. and the arrow pen for the fair. However, the county did foot the bill for all the electrical that needed to be done. And also, I mean, these aren't including the paint and the windows of the asphalt. Those are all paid for.

I guess the only other question I have, so on with the clerk's office, at what point do we get to send, try to beg the state for some of the money back?

We have to have the project, we talked about this today, we have to have the project finished. And then they will pay a third?

A third of it.

Okay.

And I was just curious like what that timeline looks like. So some of that will be recouped through.

At one point, Leslie had considered asking the commission for monies for desks. She did go and look at the ones at the bank, but they're literally the exact same ones that we have now, which are too big to fit. So...

Lifetime tables it is. Yeah. You're doing great.

She says she has enough in her budget to cover the rest of her, like the office desks and that kind of stuff.

I walked through the other day and it's just amazing what we're getting. And I mean, the response from the public has just been, it's about time.

So it's been great. So the impact fee for the city that you said on this part, is there an impact fee for the city?

It's just said... The city pass-through fee for plan review. I apologize. So it was plan review fee.

Okay. All right.

It does not impact. I apologize.

All right. And the vault, well, I can go look at it later. But the vault is basically, you've got a vault in the recorder's office. You've got a vault in your office, Leslie's.

Well, technically, she has a room with a vault door.

Okay.

So the vault door is now gone. Okay. It's sealed off. There is a little hallway that you can access previously from the clerk and the recorder's office. Now it's only on the recorder side. So that'll allow him, if we just knock out that wall, to take over that whole space. And I believe, I don't want to speak for you, but it was his intent that he would then move Jamie and himself into that space, possibly Charles, or is Charles staying in his hallway? Okay, all three are moving over there, and then where they are currently will be where the surveyor is.

Okay. That's good, too.

Yeah.

So what was the dollar amount you said, $115?

$115 will more than get us finished, and again, I will not transfer any money until the end of the year when I know we've actually spent it. Same with the... Like the fairgrounds, we anticipated to transfer $855, but I'm really only going to have to transfer $470. So it doesn't make sense to transfer the money, and then it's sit in fairground fund balance. Yeah.

They give us no discount on impact fees.

It wasn't an impact fee. It was a plan review fee.

But no, they don't give us discounts on any fees. That's why we spent $35,000 on a fee for the fairgrounds.

For why would we be paying that at the fairgrounds when it's our property? It's their electric.

The electrical comes from the city, so they get to review it.

So I just did the electrical at the house, at my house, and went from a 60 amp to 150. It cost me $3,000 in impact fees. maybe we ought to get our own tire company up here yeah i'm just saying i'm glad we're doing an impact fee study because we're clearly way behind yeah what we're charging if they're charging the sad thing is it's taxpayer dollars regardless i know yeah it's like are we like couldn't we be mutual beneficial between the city and the county

We do the same thing with the school district, too. I mean, well, they do with us, I should say, where they're charging us to use their facilities, and it's all the same taxpayers are paying for it.

So then while you stew on that question of the 115, remember there's still 230. there we go okay um there's still two-thirds of the building that are not done yet um we have intentions for that space obviously we we know what we're hoping to put in that space um but none of it right now is what unlike unlike the clerk's office is what we consider an immediate need so it was not my intent to finish that this year and to build that into the fy 27 budget um but

So how much is that going to be, do you think? I have no idea. And what, I mean, weren't we planning on doing sheriffs? Sheriffs and planning and zoning.

What's that? I am not moving courts again. That was a nightmare, and they are not easy to work with. I was going to do planning and zoning and the sheriff's office.

Okay. Is there going to have a different place for the planning and zoning, or is that...

So planning and zoning would be in the addition. Because the two offices that are on top of each other right now is planning and zoning and Koyans. And it would be really nice, as we've learned.

From the current planning and zoning, we won't have that part anymore?

I mean, we'll still have it. It won't be planning and zoning. That'll be a discussion on needs.

And so they'll have to come into the planning and zoning from a different area, not from within?

It's connected.

Oh, is it?

Mm-hmm. um but we as we've seen especially with all these rotating offices because we still need to remediate the assessor's office but i can't do that because i don't have anywhere for them to go um there is a need for meeting space that we just don't have so if that might might still have to think of the auditorium for sure There's a lot of ideas on what it could be. I'm just telling you it is not my intent in this FY to come forth with an additional ask to finish the other part of the building.

So could we? Absolutely could. Do we have the money? Yes, you do. Because I notice we did have some money. What would it take?

I can get estimates, but you guys will need to decide what you want to do with that space as it is your space.

Who's going to move in and how you design it to work best for who's going to go in there? Is it just a general, what are the needs of that department that's going to move in?

So why don't we, this is just off the side, why don't we try to have that discussion maybe next commission meeting?

I will try to get, well, you mean as far as intended use?

Why don't we have it in conjunction with the budget discussion?

Yeah, that's what I would think.

And if we decide that there's funds available to pull the trigger sooner, great.

Because remember, we're not done with this agenda yet, and I still need to ask for a couple hundred thousand dollars.

That was an easy way to throw it out there.

I will say this. I think we've done a lot of projects. We've spent a lot of money, for sure. But I think it's been done. prudently, as prudently as possible. And I'm proud of that and appreciate all those in this building who have dealt with the headache of moving offices multiple times.

Headache is a great word.

To make it happen. So thank you to our employees that are dealing with that. It's not easy to work on a plastic table and get that. But you do it so well. Especially if you have to work that close to one another. They're probably, they're all going to need a vacation after this.

Yeah. They're painting. You're close. They're painting.

So that being said, Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the potential transfer of up to $115,000 from the general fund balance to cover the remaining change orders for our building addition and finish this project up.

I'll second.

I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? Aye. Are there any opposed?

okay well your checkbooks out the Commission approved a new ambulance in the October 2025 budget meeting at the time that you sign that agreement it anticipated delivery date of 18 months out so we did not budget for it in FY 27 but it's going into production now and they're anticipating to have it to us sometime in October which goes to I need the money to pay for it. And we didn't budget for it this year because we anticipated to budget for it in FY27.

This is in addition to the ambulance.

Yeah, WPR is giving us an ambulance. Well, their foundation, WPR Foundation is. And then you ordered an additional ambulance. Which I'm very glad because the same ambulance right now is 462.

So a question to that is... It was $220 when we bought it. I know. So in this one, it has a charge in there of $4,000 or $4,800 or whatever for transportation. Can our people go back there and get that?

So what happens is they bring us the shell. They ship the shell to the staker person, not staker person, the ambulance company in Salt Lake. And then they outfit it with everything that we've, so that our crew can sit there and say, this is supposed to have a lift.

So that's going to be additional cost too.

No, no, it's built in. It's just the shell is built somewhere. They ship the shell to Salt Lake. just like our fire truck, and then they spec it out in Salt Lake, and then we drive it home from there. But the shipping cost is the shell of the vehicle, which is the bulk of what takes so long.

and i'd like to add i believe commissioner newton you can clarify for me if i'm wrong but talking to brad the new chief is that as we move forward we'll wear out the truck before the box and we'll be able to so in the future just pick that box up stick it on a new truck which will save us a ton of money going in the future so he's already looking at those kind of things like yes we can we're not we'll just have to buy a truck and a chassis and we'll pick that thing up and set it on the new one and And so I think we're moving in the right direction, thinking forward.

And rotating.

And the other thing that he mentioned, I don't think it was in front of the whole commission. Maybe it was. Did he say this in front of everybody, that the intent is that all of these ambulances will be exactly the same inside? We're not customizing things. We're buying basically off the shelf, so to speak. They still build them for you, but they're not as far out. And because they'll all be the same, When an EMT is in one ambulance, they'll know where to reach for certain needs, and it'll be the same in each vehicle, which will also improve our care. So I think we're really going in the right direction in terms of that as well.

I think he said that at the meeting about the fire. That's probably what I was going to say.

It has been lovely to have an ambulance at the Peterson station. That one isn't. We call it the Bates Motel of ambulances. It'll save your life, but we're not going to transport you in it. It doesn't have the best chassis. So the intent is that we would put the new one out that, well, the new one would stay here. Our current decent one will go there. We'll keep the other one, and we'll use that for football games, rodeos, that kind of stuff, and parts.

So the ambulance we got that was in the COVID time, Is that in operation or not? And so that's four we'll have? Or three? What's that? Will that be four ambulances we have now?

Once we receive this one and the WPR Foundation one, we will have four.

four that are newer yeah so and okay i think they're going to put the one that she mentioned that's the older one there because the chance of transport is not alive but save up there but if we can save a life we can say it'll have equipment like it'll have the equipment to do that and if you have to transport you can transport in it it's just

You don't want that thing at highway speeds.

We want to be careful.

So what we've been doing in Mountain Green is we respond, and then the better ambulance shows up for transport if a transport is needed. Okay.

So at least getting the life-saving equipment. Yeah. So what is the plans for getting a better truck that we can take that shell and put it onto a better vehicle?

I don't know about that particular shell. We haven't talked about that one, whether that one will – be re-chassied or not. We probably need to find that out.

That one was pretty old. The commission approved in budget last year to pay in last year. It was one of the budget adjustments you did towards the end of the year to put the hydraulic lift in it, because it didn't even have a hydraulic lift.

I think it was just going forward, the newer ones. Newer ones will all be.

I will say when We made the presentation to the Wasatch Peaks Foundation regarding the ambulance back in November. They specifically asked, what's the lifespan on these? And we said, five to seven years. And they said, well, then we ought to be thinking about the next one, too. So I know it's on their minds to be thinking about even a replacement after this down the road, which makes me feel good that they're They're considering that. That's not a guarantee, but hopefully the commission down the road asks for some help on that too.

I think just remembering that they are there, they're willing, but we have to ask and then I think be aware of what it is we're asking for.

And maybe they can cut back on the beef and pig purchases.

I don't know, I bet that kid that got 18 grand for his steers is pretty stoked.

That wasn't the foundation, though. It was WPR.

It was the business, not the foundation. Different day.

So did we vote on 115? I had a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. No, we didn't.

I thought we did. Yeah, for the 115 for the building. OK. Yeah, we did.

Oh, for the ambulance. The ambulance is a second discussion. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve it. So it's just coming out of general fund? So there's two ways we could handle this. We could go get a lease on it. That's how we were doing everything when I came. I don't think that's the best idea. We pay a lot of interest. I don't think it is either. We've got $6 plus million in the general fund balance. I would rather we just pay it outright and not pay the interest on it. Because if we do a lease on this, it's going to be a $50,000 or $60,000 a year payment for the next year.

seven or eight years and we're going to pay probably fifty or sixty thousand in interest last year at the budget we did start to put in two hundred thousand dollars a year i believe into fleet is that that's gone right no you haven't i thought we had to i thought we started doing that last year i thought we had a fleet fund we do have a fleet fund but i don't know you talked about it but i don't think you actually did well i think about it

If that is the case and there's extra funds in the fleet fund, it's going to roll right back to the general funds. Remember that, Leslie? Okay.

For some reason, I thought we started building a fleet fund for replacement of vehicles. Nope. I don't think we've done that.

Negative. We ought to think about that.

Okay. Personally, I would feel like I don't want to pay interest. No, I think we've got the money.

Let's not pay interest on it.

So, Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the purchase. of the new ambulance a total price of 345 744 dollars to be paid out of the general fund balance second i have a motion by commissioner newton and a second by commissioner factual all in favor aye aye any opposed

so we have a um your tourism tax advisory board has a local event fund you guys have approved projects or one out of this before um this was for more gala days um there was a miscommunication on her getting things turned in beforehand i think she was told by someone that she already had it. So she did put the Explore. I said, well, it has to have the Explore Morgan Valley logo on it, which it did. And then, so she's requesting $1,000, which is usually what we give for local events for advertising.

And that's for local advertising. I mean local within the region.

To bring people in to the county. Yeah. So she did an every door direct mail to Huntsville, Ogden, and Mount Ogden. So is requesting $1,000 in advertising expense reimbursement. And that will come out of that budget line.

That's what the purpose of that sales tax is for.

We had a good turnout, too. It was effective.

So I think great event. Great event. And anything we can bring in for tourism dollars is the best.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the reimbursement of $1,000 in advertising expenses from the Tourism Tax Advisory Board Local Event Fund.

I'll second it.

I have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes.

this is our annual wool growers predator control a grant agreement um so it last year was 21 000 it went up by a hundred dollars um this is a pass-through the county pays it but then half of it's reimbursed by contributions from local wool growers and then the other is reimbursed by udaf but it usually takes several months more like four or five to get that second half so technically it's no cost to the county but we are the comptroller and so it will come out of the account we this is the one that we had an issue with last year because i guess the agreement went to robert mcconnell's email instead of any of you um and so now it comes directly to me so we will be essentially paying this it'll look like in your financials that you're paying this twice in one year and it's because we should have paid one last fall and then this one this fall So I do need to do a budget adjustment to account for the pass-through money, which of $9,700. But again, it's pass-through. It's no expense to the county.

Okay. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the agreement with UDAF for the purpose of predator management and the committal of the funds, which are pass-through funds, up to $21,100. Second.

I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Fackrell. All in favor? Aye. Are there any opposed? Motion carries.

OK. Who's going to UAC?

I am.

I am.

And I. I won't be.

OK. So Mike is a no. Matt's a no. Raylene, you said yes? Yes. You usually go early, right?

So do I for the board meetings.

Okay. Blaine goes early.

I will not be early.

Vaughn's a no.

So just two of us.

Okay, so Raylene and Blaine is who I'm registering. Yes, any guests?

No, not for me.

Okay. And then so that's all I have or I guess do you guys vote on I forgot I forget on that one Who's attending We just have to have consent good with that Okay, and then let me write early Okay, and then the next one and you guys don't have to decide on this tonight, but they did post the USAC dates and That's November 18 and 20. Registration's not open yet. I just wanted to put it in the back of your heads that these are the dates, and two years ago when we had Commissioner Alex, we invited them to attend as well. So you have it in the budget if you guys choose to do that. So I don't necessarily need a decision on that tonight. I just wanted to get that on your calendar. Okay. Okay.

I'm great with them going. I think it would be a waste of money for me to go.

Well, you have until November to decide that.

But I wish I would have had BOE training six years ago. Yeah.

And speaking of BOE, I have BOE training. next tuesday wednesday so i won't be physically here but i obviously have my laptop everywhere i go but that the 25th is the day that the state auditor's office will be here so do we need to do anything i know both attorneys are stand at the ready well i just didn't know if any of the commissioners leslie's shaking her head please no

i don't think we need to make a big deal of it i think that yeah more problems okay commissioner blocker um i have just oh here we go i've just discovered that chloe has multiple talents she's she's very bright person and We need some communication for our county. I know we have a Facebook page, kind of. It would be nice if we could keep it updated, maybe have a newsletter.

The commission, well, before I got here, dissolved the Facebook page, but I don't think anyone deleted it. And then when we created a policy for social media, what, a month or two ago, they dissolved, officially dissolved it, but we're still trying to figure out how to get into the account, shut it off. So the only active, two active social medias that the county has that I know of is Emergency Management and Animal Control.

Is that right? I think there is one for planning. Oh, and REC probably has one.

Oh, and Historical Society has one.

But there's no... So I just want to...

Explore more in Utah.

Everyone to think about what, how is a better way to communicate with our county. Chloe has a background in marketing and communications. She would be a great person to use here. If you want to talk to her about it and see what her background is, but... That's a number one complaint in the county is people feel like they don't know what's going on. And, of course, I always say you can go watch it on YouTube. You can look it up. You can sign up for the notifications. But I think people are just looking for a summarized, dumbed-down version of what is going on in the county. So that's something that was just on my mind. If you want to think about it, maybe we can discuss it at a later meeting.

last our chair yeah you have to step out for a minute so i'll step in there uh commissioner newton um nothing urgent at this point commissioner yeah um i'd like to see if we can get the audit report on that next to daniel for the commission to approve it oh the audit yeah it's already okay all right thank you and um some of the things that happen in my one Utah summit two weeks ago. There's, I hate to say it, it was not as good as the ones in the past. I was disappointed and I told them that. But what happened this time, which was very, very good, is that there were a lot of legislators there, the Lieutenant Governor was there, the Governor was there. Most everybody was there, and what was happening is within that we're able to network, and that's where I'm finding out some of these bills that are going to be coming out in next year that we will be finding out more information on in our USAC and our UAC meetings. Maybe not UAC, but in USAC we will be. There's a few of them that are coming out by Senator Winterton, Senator... Evan. Evan. I can't think of his last name. You just graduated from there. I did.

I graduated one Utah summit. Thank you.

Yeah. She graduated at the Rural Utah Leadership Academy. And I cannot remember. Vickers. Vickers. Senator Vickers. And anyway, there was a lot going on in that. Some of the things that happened that we need to be concerned about. And this is something I think we need to be looking at, such as when we have things like what the city has done and other entities, as far as power goes, there is other kinds of power that is available that can be used in our county. And we could basically, I mean, it would be a neat partnership to possibly do. And that is with a newer technology that is actually working in Orangeville, Utah right now. And it's one that is smaller. And it's contained. And it will provide over gigawatts of power. which is more than we need for our area, the whole area. So that is something that maybe we need to partner with the city or whatever the city is doing and see what we can do because they're the power company, not us. But that's a potential of something. That was one that Joel Ferry from the Utah Division of Natural Resources was talking about. So that was one of the things. And I mean, I've got pages of it, of everything that happened. And the biggest thing is the funding for projects in UDOT. And we are already aware of some of those things that happen. Kate's at the top of it. And we've got a meeting, what, on August 31 for something to do with our transportation down there, the interchange. And they were talking about that a little bit, too, as to how to get that information. what's going on in my active transportation meeting. There are some projects that are going on right now, and I need to, you guys that are on the RPO need to be considering these, but there is within the Utah Trails Network a project of design for a trail down through the canyon. Okay, that's connecting Morgan to Weaver and Davis counties. So there is a structural design that is being done in that we discussed with Stephanie Tomlin about that is our biggest need up here in Morgan County is the structural design for a lot of these trails. and these are for paved trails these are not the recreation trails these are the main trails to keep our county safe and bikers to save and people that walk on these paved trails safe so these are some things that we need to be looking at and you guys need to continue on with that we don't have to do whatever you you can do what you want but these are things that we could do to help out In the tourism board meeting that I went to, we were the recipient of the co-op grant we received a co-op grant award of 57 56 700 which will be used for marketing and other things that happen in the county um they also talked about a visitor economy and the biggest thing is with the visitor economy visitors make life better in utah and the biggest thing is making sure that people are aware of it we've got to identify our customer we've got to tell the story And the nice thing is it brings in tax dollars to the county. And we need to be targeting to the correct visitors that we want here. Next year, of course, is the Salt Lake Temple. open house and because of that they're expecting a lot of a lot of people coming in here and we have a major portion of the pioneer heritage that came from morgan county of course a lot of about burma um unfortunately but the other part which is the from mormon flats and large springs up to the top big mountain and down the other side that is one of the things that um That they have discussed and they would like to have us work on that good luck Okay, whoever takes that over Also, there were some other items on films and we could send her on films if we want to but for everybody's information there is a There's some films that have been made that are in Utah and One of them is already out and it's called The Daughter She Left Behind. And it was out on the 15th. The Chosen in the Wild is on Prime Video. It came out on the 9th of August. Eddie is a Loser. It's in the theater starting September 4th, which would probably be a very good one for people. And Mouse on August 21st. There's also The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. That one's coming up. It has not set a date yet. And if you've been there, I haven't. But for those that like Skinwalker Ranch, that's coming up. They're spending in all these co-op grants. that just happened uh over four million sixty four million and sixty four thousand dollars is what went out through the state state grants and this is all from tourism dollars that have come in and that's from that tourism tax that we received from us going out to eat and any preferred foods that's part of it and from lodging that comes in And so those are things that are beneficial to the state and to us. And I'm hoping that in the future that we will continue to work on those items. And we had a meeting at the One Utah Summit with Brad Wilson. And he says that what he would like to see happen more than anything right now in the next few years is for education courses to be incorporated into our schools. And so if anybody has meetings with the schools, you might want to bring that up. And those are things that should happen. to incorporate the youth in trying to build the Olympics. And since our county is one of the major components of the Olympics, that's another area that you're gonna have to work on, which is in transportation of that. So I'm hoping you are aware of that. Make sure. Okay, that's it for now. Unless you want me to continue.

i figured that thanks for reporting on that though appreciate it did you already go mike or yep okay christian rakeerson um we did have our conservation district meeting this last week um i think kate did you get the email about the updated application for the

Do you want me to post that on the website?

We've got the one on there if we could swap that to the newest.

I have a question about that.

The weed, that, what do they call it?

Mitigation stuff where you could submit your receipts to show that, I submitted receipts in early June and never heard a word from them.

So, because June... They're on that fiscal year. So the checks were actually, they had them at the meeting. You should be receiving those checks.

So they did do something with it. Correct. I didn't know what, I just never heard anything back. There was no email, nothing.

The last, because it ends the end of June, that's their fiscal year. So they're getting all those reimbursements. Last week when we had our meeting, they were signing all the checks because they have to have two signatures. So great question. So yeah, those that are waiting on checks, they should be arriving. But we do have that grant again. It's up.

So we're too late to put in?

For last year's money. You can start putting in right now. Really? For next year? For next year. So instead of waiting until June, go purchase your herbicide now, and you can actually apply. So we'll get that changed on the website. It is an updated application. So if people want to do that, that money is available for reimbursement for your herbicide. I'm just going to kind of run down the list here. Through part of that grant, we did, for next year, we'll have four backpack sprayers, two ATV trailers, and one sprayer trailer available for loan. two residents. So if you need to, um, so you can not only get reimbursed for your herbicide, you can also borrow, um, those items will be available for, for, for loan.

And so we're, we're just getting those and those will be available next year.

So, um, so that's it on the conservation district. Um, we do have grow your district coming up some September 16th. for those that are participating in the conservation district. Like our growers, you know, the wool growers, the bee farmers. So that's coming up the evening of September 16th. I did receive a letter, and it's been a couple of weeks ago, from a business, and this is something that I don't know if we've discussed this about, regarding swimming pools. Right now, our county code does require any swimming pool to be fenced with a six foot fence. Most areas around us, it sounds like, have gone to allowing certified covers instead of a fence. So I did receive a letter there, because some HOAs, what not, they may not allow certain fences. Personally, I'm kind of like, it's up to the homeowner. What do you want to put on? It's your responsibility to your swimming pool. But right now our code does require a fence. Is that something we want to look at as far as, hey, if this certified whatever type cover will support so much weight, is that something we want to look at as allowing a homeowner to do? Personally, I think more options is better. And so if that's something.

I will tell you that a cowl will stay on top of my cover.

Really?

Yeah.

then I'm not worried about walking on one then. It'll hold that gap. So I feel good about it. And so again, I did receive a letter. And I think the fences are expensive. And most people have a cover for it anyways to keep dirt and leaves and children and whatnot. So I wasn't sure if that was something to bring here to task staff. Do we need to bring that to a commission meeting to task them to do something or to see what the feeling is of the commission?

We've done it before.

What other counties have that?

I don't know of any that...

I mean, I have a pool, and often your cover breaks annually, so it's just open until you can afford to get it fixed. So that is a concern of mine. I do have a few concerns of wandering children, maybe, if there is a...

broken cover left open or something like that it is a concern still i'd like to research what other counties provide the letter um and i believe they they stated a few the cities and counties around us i'm happy to i brought it with me we can make some copies what

I was going to say, we need to find out where Matt got his cover, because if it holds a cow, we've got to find out what it does for, I mean, require that, if they're going to have that.

Covers do. They say an elephant.

Yeah, they're rated for however many thousands of pounds. But again, that was, yeah, I'll, maybe before we leave tonight, I can.

I'll turn it back on. For you, I will. Thanks.

Let's see. Let's see. I think we did announce the car show coming up at the airport, the car show. And he'll have food trucks. It was a great success last year. It's actually grown even bigger this year. So please come out. I believe it's the 29th. I have the time down. 4.30 to 7.30, I believe, is the time. So come out, bring your kids. They can look at airplanes. And he's going to have some supercars, real high-end automobiles. So it should be a pretty good time. Food trucks, come get some food. The public can come and check out our airport and see what's to that area. So it's pretty exciting to see this kid that decided to do this. And he's donating money and just enjoys it. So support him. And then I just wanted to shout out to everybody that helped with our fire. Our local fire department, our chief emergency management, the state that stepped in, tankers dropping liquids, our local farmers and their equipment. I want a special shout out to Commissioner Newton. instrumental in getting a lot of the word out and being up there and dispersing that. I was part of the email chain, but just to keep it simple, it was really great to just watch that coordination. Our public works guys spent hours on our county dozer up there pushing fire lines. We had a meeting the other night, and the gentleman kind of in charge of everything, he says they don't have problems where people are wanting to help. And he says this was a unique problem for them as they had so many people offering dozers and graders and equipment. He goes, they kind of started to get in the way. And he's like, they were having some problems. He goes, we don't have this problem. And Mike and I both were like, welcome to Morgan. That's what we do. We have a great community, people, they care about their neighbors. And so I can't, I'm sure I'm going to leave somebody out, but just an amazing time. I hope I never have to deal with something like this again as a commissioner. But to just watch the community come together, commissioners, public safety, state, federal agencies, I mean, just was awesome. I mean, we had, Kate was rounding up goats and mules and peacocks. It was really exciting to watch. So just a shout out to everybody, if I forgot to name you, but I think that was kind of a highlight for me. Yes, the fire was a huge problem, but the way it was handled, no structures. I guess they burned an old cabin, burned up, and then the platform for... Warrior Risen Ranch's yurt, which I guess was pretty rotted, they said was burned. But no deaths, no injuries, no homes. It was just a great community effort just by everybody. So thank you to everybody that got up there and did it.

If I can add to that, those weren't just state firefighters. That was our firefighters. All the ambulances were our ambulances, all of them M. medics were our medics, all the EMTs were our EMTs. Even though we lucked out or we breathed harder in the correct direction and it pushed to Summit County, our dozers, our public works, our emergency management director, our firefighters, our ambulances wore boots on grounds in Hennifer. North Summit contributed and other departments in like Park City, Backfield, North Summit, but we took care of our own and so you will see that in payroll. However, all that gets reimbursed by the state, but you know, checks in the mail, but so you will see a pretty hefty payroll come through this next payroll cycle, but I know i was joking with erica or chief white or your emergency management director who was acting fire chief because our fire chief got called up to the front lines i told her after that beautiful rainbow we had thursday night I said on the seventh day, Erica rested. But I know I felt like I didn't contribute much, but I still put in a 78-hour week, so I can only imagine what she did and Chief did, and people were so kind and kept wanting to bring donations, and they were... They were very well fed. But just reminding people that even though the big fire is over, these are your citizens. These are your, I mean, Garrett's wife was up at Incident Command up at East Canyon. And I got a bonus hug from her during one of our Incident Command meetings. But it looked like a war zone up at East Canyon. It's just a bunch of yurts and helicopters going by filling up water. But those are our faces and our people. that were up there. So even though we, God willing, and the creek don't rise, literally, because our next issue is going to be flooding, we're hoping that the IC team dissolves on Friday. So they did very, very well in a two-week span of time. No residential structures. Did we learn a lot of things about communication and cross-county connectivity? Absolutely. And we'll definitely have an after-action review on that. But if you're wanting to thank firefighters, these aren't just people from Salt Lake. They're your neighbors. So you are welcome by our fire station anytime. They really love Monster Energy drinks and Rockstars and... And what? Alani's. There was some bougie sparkling water. So they will never turn down snacks and groceries at our fire station here in Morgan. So you're welcome anytime.

I noticed with that. There were firefighters from Santa Fe, New Mexico up here helping us. Because they drove by my house a couple times. Anyway, they were, I don't remember which day they were leaving, but there was people from all over. And I saw a bunch of fire trucks from all over. And I'm happy. I'm happy that it can be a concerted effort between everybody, especially our own. And that brings me to another point, if I may add it. Hennifer City, you might want to look towards this. They would like to do the same thing with the fire station that we did with the North Summit Fire Station as a cooperative agreement.

You mean that's already in the works when we get the Croydon one live? Yes.

When it goes live?

Yeah.

Because, I mean, they were saying we had done it with North Summit. They would like to do it again. They would also like to do it with us because they're a full-time fire station there, too.

Three of our employees live in it. So it was a scary, scary week for them. Yeah.

Very scary. I mean, I saw dry farms that people had that were, I mean, I don't know how many, the livestock I don't think got, none of them were heard. They're in different places and people are now without.

Oh, we lost some cows. We didn't. Those were dumb Summit County cows. Morgan County cows are smart. They were smart enough to get out. And we didn't lose any Morgan County cows.

What I'm worried about is the wildlife. you know, how much we lost there because they don't have a direction to go. And I hope the DWR will let us know if they can at a later date what happened. Do we have any plans for assisting to re-vegetate any of this stuff for the public?

At this point, we're more worried about our flood likelihood because if you... When we open the road back up and you go up East Canyon, literally everything to the left is gone. There's no scrub oak. There's no grass. It is solid black. So there is nothing stopping water from... and mud from slopping off that road. So actually a lot of what's been going on this week and the end of last week before that blessed rain came was sandbagging. So that's going to be our number one focus probably through the flood season, which is October, end of October. And so I don't know who's...

I didn't know if they were going to try to put, you know, get us... Because right now if they wanted to put certain grasses in, it would be a great time to put it in. So I'm hoping the DWR, the DNR, is working on that, divisional lands and forestry, or fires and forestry. I'm hoping they're working on it because that is a major thing they could do right now and get some vegetation and roots into the ground right now.

As far as our trail that we were going to build up there, is that... Yeah, I have a meeting tomorrow with our COG to see where that's going to go. Okay. So, yeah. I will say I had some of... Yeah, I've had some of my colleagues in... hawaii county hawaii reach out and you know just check on us and they kind of had to brag because when they get lava lava slides two years later they still can't cut a road because the lava is still hot at least we get rain and we can now if you go up there all the um those white snow pedestals that let you know like here's the end of the road they are just melted um but that's i'll take that over lava i will take a wildfire of 16 000 acres no residential structures over a lava slide so we did speaking of the flooding though we were had a meeting to talk about the fire last week

And Erica said, I need some more sandbags filled. We had asked what can we do to help, and she said, I need some sandbags filled. I made one phone call. They had enough people show up there to fill 1,000 sandbags in an hour and a half. They filled them, put them on pallets. It was ready to go. I mean, it was amazing. So our community is awesome. They just showed up and did it. They didn't care who it was for or what it was for. They just did it. Pretty cool.

We do live in a wonderful community, for sure. I just wanted to see, I know everybody loves responding to job forums. Garrett, could you speak to, do we use flock cameras in our county?

What are they first?

There's one in Morgan County.

There's surveillance cameras.

There's one in Morgan County. It is across the street from 7-Eleven, which is a state. So it's on a state highway. It's the only one in Morgan County. But it's not like they asked our permission to put it up. So I don't know if it's UDOT's permission or what. Yeah.

It might be something that we'd want Sheriff Stark to speak to. I know he's told me about something in the past that can, but I don't know if it's the same cameras that he was telling me about. So I would just be not speaking from personal knowledge. But I think he would be the one that would know.

He said it's at 485 East 300 North. I can drive by there and look.

You can see it on the pole. Yeah, you can see it on the pole. It's maybe 12 feet up on the pole, right across from Central.

So is that a personal one that somebody put up? No. No, it's owned up. It's connected to law enforcement.

Oh, OK. Basically, they scan license plates. They look at your license plate. That's what it does.

Oh, OK.

I hear there's a Rust-Oleum paint, like a clear coat, and it blocks it.

It is.

What's that? Yeah, I'm sorry.

I don't think your county attorney is going to have property damage. But yeah, so do you want me to have Corey come next meeting and speak to it?

Okay.

I just want to know what law is and stuff like that. I have no idea. So I just understand it, and I don't want to speak out of turn, but I just AI'd it real quick to see if our county, and it says that we weren't registered with any, I guess you were, you register those and they share the information. As I said, Morgan County's not a part of that organization.

Okay.

Thanks.

Also, I just, new commissioners, hopefully, I guess, is it going to still be required to go to BOE? I think that would be.

Yeah, I think it's a law now. It's a law. You have to have a certificate on file. So if you're not turning your certificate to Chloe, I know you were about to say that. If you're not turning your certificate in to Chloe or Leslie, they will haunt you.

I know it's more convenient to do online, but I'll tell you, Tammy and Patrick, it's fun to interact with everyone there. And I learned a lot. I know they had to put up with me. Chloe had to put up with me. But it was good for me to be able to ask those questions and give scenarios and have them answer them. And she's got a lot of experience. And I learned a lot just to go out.

So just a reminder, when you're done taking the class, whether it's online or in person, you do have to submit a request for your certificate. They don't send you one automatically. And then that's what Leslie and Chloe will need for records.

They had me fill out something and said that they would be sending it to us.

I told them to watch out for the Morgan County people. We're not good at paying them.

Tammy did it today. She did mine. I don't think I've seen that.

Because she sent it to me.

Oh, so you got mine?

Yeah. She sent it to mom.

As fun as this has been, I move that we adjourn. Thank you.

I have a motion to adjourn and a second. All in favor? Aye.

Any opposed?