County Commission - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, March 18, 2026
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About this meeting

Government Body
County Commission
Meeting Type
County Commission
Location
Morgan County, UT
Meeting Date
March 18, 2026

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212 sections (from 1,027 segments)

0:49 – 2:430

Welcome everyone. We're going to go ahead and this evening um it's our Morgan County Commission meeting March 18th, 2026 on this Wednesday night. Because of the Republican caucus last night, we have moved our meeting to tonight. Welcome all those that are on with us also online. Um, we've asked uh Commissioner Ferrell to give our invocation and lead us in the pledge of allegiance. Our dear heavenly father, as we gather tonight for a county commission meeting, we are grateful for the opportunity for us to serve and those that are in here also to serve and to observe and to give us their viewpoints on things in the county. We are grateful for this county. It's a beautiful county. We want to try to keep it as beautiful as possible and welcoming for others, especially as we prepare towards the Olympics in 2034. We are grateful for the blessings that we have and for the many opportunities that we still have within our county. We ask thee at this time that thou will bless us all throughout this county and throughout the state for water that we may have the water that we need to be able to take care of the needs of this year both agricultural and human necessities and we pray that thou will bless us with that. We ask thee for thy goodness and thy spirit to be around with us this night so we may be able to make proper decisions for our county and these things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

2:42 – 3:030

Amen. Everybody can follow me in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

3:08 – 3:490

Thank you, Commissioner Ferrell. Everyone have an opportunity to go through the consent consent agenda items. Chair, I need to pull seven, eight, and nine due to changes from legal in the last 24 hours. Okay. And I wanted to pull towards uh well not poll. I would like to move it for questioning on item number six. The grazing lease agreement. Yes. Okay. So we're not going to discuss the count 7 89 then. Is that correct? We are. It's just going to I have to move it to action item because we've made changes versus what's in the I was going to say I wanted to.

3:48 – 4:240

Okay. So, so 7 8 and nine are moving to action and they're not just being pulled. Correct. 6, 7, 8, and 9 are being pulled out of consent and move to agenda action items. I didn't understand that. Sorry. Okay, sounds good. Mr. Chair, I move we approve consent agenda items 1 through five and move items 6 through nine to the action item section. I'll second. Okay. Okay, I have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I.

4:21 – 5:360

Any opposed? Thank you. Motion passes. Um, Commissioner declarations of conflict of interest. Any this evening? I have I have one on on mine. I do do work for ACS Construction. So and they are doing some work on the building. Okay, we will move then if none others right. Okay, we'll move to our public comment section then. Um, if there's anyone in the audience that would like to come forward and and share something, please keep it, please state your name and your address and then uh keep your comments to 3 minutes. Okay, seeing no public comments, we will move to our presentation. Kate, is that you? Lydia.

5:340

Oh, Lydia's doing it. Okay.

5:36 – 7:280

Yeah, come on up. So, I um came on here. I sent Kate some pictures so she can show you guys. I just wanted to come on here. So, this is Deborah Crowther. Um she has been a coach for us for years and she recently was awarded the Utah Junior NBA Coach of the Year award. So, the coach of the year award is they're presented to coaches to exhibit uh leadership, integrity, and a commitment to growing the game is what it says on their website. And I really felt like uh Deborah really exhibited that in all that she's done for us throughout the years. And so I nominated for her and she won. Um I'm going to read a little bit of the nomination that they loved so much since they wrote about her. Um it says, "Deborah Crowther inspires female athletes by showing up and making sure every girl who wants to play basketball has the chance to do so. She makes the game fun while still teaching strong fundamentals, teamwork, and how to truly understand the respect and respect the sport. She focuses on helping each player grow, not just in skill, but in confidence. Deborah never turns a girl away. If someone wants to play, she takes them in. When the junior jazz program wanted to create a league for high school-aged girls, that was this year. Uh Deborah made it happen. She found girls who had stopped playing basketball and encouraged them to play again. She even had seventh and eighth graders join the high school team in order to have enough girls to play. Um, the Jazz was kind enough to actually let us go down and have one of their games at the Delta Center on a Saturday and that was that was a lot of fun. Um, when there weren't enough girls to form a league for seventh and eighth grade a couple years ago, Deborah took the girls that wanted to play and made her own scrimmage league personally coaching all 25 kids. I still have girls to this day that talk about what a phenomenal experience that was. So, I just thought it was really cool. So, this reward was presented to Deborah last week, two weeks ago. Last week at a week ago today at the Jazz game. Awesome. Um, she it also means she's entered to win the National NBA Coach of the Year award. So, that would be that would be really cool.

7:26 – 8:110

A little more competition for that. I mean, this was the whole state of Utah. So, so her team was able to come down early that day and uh meet meet and greet some of the players, have a private tour of the stadium, and then they had like a box that they were able to watch the the game from. And Deborah was awarded this this game mid uh mid game at like halftime, and she got a jersey. I know. With my name on it. Oh, cool. Wow, that's cool. That's great. Very. Yeah. Very inadequate. Um the coach of the year award actually also comes with a $5,000 equipment grant which Deborah was um kind enough to let the Morgan Recreation Department use for equipment for basketball. So, she's she's donated all of that to the county and we 5,000. It says 500 on the agenda. It's actually 5,000.

8:10 – 8:540

Oh, wow. It is 5,000. I'm sorry if I mistyped it. it it's a lot more than we were expecting. And so we were really grateful to the junior NBA. We're grateful to Debbie and all that she's done and continues to do. We have kids that played for her that we have kids that play for her that now work as refs for us. And it's just she's wondering and gives back to the community and we're really grateful for her. So thank you Debbie. Good job. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for doing that for our community. That's So, these are girls, I'm assuming, that uh didn't make the basketball team and then That's awesome. When do you start?

8:53 – 9:330

That's great. What age? What age do you start? Can you talk in the mic? Sorry. Yeah, please. I'll get yelled at. Yelling at the kids, right? Um, I coached from kindergarten up till my daughter's a sophomore now. So, over the years, just I have three girls and um I think she said seventh and eighth graders are on the team. You're right. But I'm saying do they did you start them? I don't mean just them. I meant do you also try to coach other kids in the junior jazz program or whatever? Right. That are in the younger

9:31 – 9:580

group. Yep. Yep. When they start when as soon as my little girls can join, I'm their coach. But it is really fun to have those high school girls. They're really athletic. They have great attitudes and they all progressed so much over the season and they just were a fun team. They would cheer each other on. It was a great atmosphere. They're really awesome. Great parents. That's good. Thanks for doing that.

9:53 – 10:210

Well, my pleasure. So fun. Thanks, guys. All right, let's uh go to we'll call it F06. I don't know. We'll go to six from our consent agenda.

10:17 – 11:260

Okay. I just had some questions on it um that I didn't have time to ask beforehand, but in here it states it's from May 1st until November 30th. Is there a reasoning in the May 1st through I mean to me in an agriculturalist and in pasture management sometimes you may want to put animals on the area before May 1st like sometimes into April and sometimes into March depending on the kind of grasses that are there. And so my question is is should that be a variable item, a variable date that they could possibly use it beforehand to help also uh take care of weed control without having to put fertilizer or herbicides on it. It's also a method to help um I mean there's a lot of things that you can do to help the soil and the pastures out if you by chance allow them. And it says in here they can do a management within that item. But just just as a thought that we might want to have that.

11:23 – 11:460

I don't see any problem with it. Is there a different term you'd like? I would like to see it say that it com the the agreement can commence on the first but terminates on whatever but their annual permitting or annual time that they can use is May 1st. I'd like to put it as March 20th.

11:44 – 12:290

Okay. because it depends on the year. Like this year, this year he could be out there getting rid of the bulbous grass that might be within the field and then wait for the warm season items to come in at a later date. And uh that way it takes care of a a a good pasture management program instead of have I mean it's more or less kind of he'd have to come up with a with an idea of what he wants to do and then present it to either it says in here bread to do that and that way it would take care of you know that way if he comes up with an idea that he wants to use it for maybe replenishing for the future instead of just that year and taking the stuff off of it. That's my my concern with that.

12:27 – 12:420

Any comment from the rest of the commission? Sounds good to me. I guess the only comment I have is do we know if there's any wildlife that frequent that area? Well, if the in the early spring

12:41 – 14:190

and that's something else that could happen that if there is, we'd have to look at that as a as an item in the plan. And so I think the the uh lease could then go and come to us and say hey I would like to do this on it. Is that possible? Especially when there's that one week also or that one day when we use it for the um river river cardboard riata day and so you know where we have to adjust for that one day I would like to see them be able to actually utilize and make it a productive place for him if possible. And that was the other thing in the contract that I did not see is it doesn't state in there that we need to be able to move that except at the discretion of of the public works director um for that one day if we have a project that is going on during that day that we need that area because we do need it for the cardboard riata. So I believe the reason that it is drafted this way um specifically for the cardboard riata is because we have made Brett the public works director the point of contact for that because historically at least since I've been here he gets told three different things by three different people Brett Chamber and you and so by making it a one point of contact of hey we need you to move the cows or we need just we need the cows on this side of the lot on this day. That would all go through Brett rather than removing

14:17 – 14:400

but I just wanted to make sure that it states that we can do that within this contract. It does. That's why we have Okay. Yeah. And he is aware. But I would like the date starting date to be earlier. So that way if there's some kind of a preference as to what he wants to do on that pasture to better, he may want to take it off there in certain times of the year too. Okay. Just all a pasture management item.

14:38 – 15:210

So I I know I just have two comments. The first is that um Mr. Ton did approve the agreement as written. He probably wouldn't be opposed to being able to use it more. So I don't think that that's an an issue necessarily if that change is made. I suggest that the payment date be reflected to say, you know, hon or before May 1st unless used be, you know, or before first use of the year just so payments made before the use. I think that that would be tracking with the the term the change to the term. Yeah,

15:18 – 15:310

great. That I just didn't want to have it say start at May 1st because that's an exact date. You know, sometimes the best utilization of certain kinds of grasses is earlier in the year.

15:35 – 16:140

Okay. You need a motion on Yep. We'll need a motion. Make your motion with your date. You Okay. Uh I move that we approve whatever number it is. 06. It's Yeah, I'm sorry. 0-6. Um to put in the terminology the attorney mentioned and to be able to have him be able to start earlier in the year if he wants if he comes up with a plan.

16:11 – 16:550

Just to clarify, we would change the term. So under paragraph two, you're changing use of the premises is permitted annually only between March 20th and November 30th of each lease year. That's correct. And then in three payment, we'll say payment for each subsequent lease year shall be due on or before the first use of that lease year. That's correct. But no later than March, May 1. But no later than May 1st. That's good to me. I'll second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Ferrell and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor?

16:55 – 17:290

I I Any opposed? Okay. 0-7 fleet use policy. Uh the changes that were made is one it is uh we need to do it by resolution which would be CR2618. And then we did Oh, no. That's the only change that I have. Sorry. Is that I need to sign it resolution number 2618. Okay. There was also some other things I had in there. Okay.

17:25 – 17:560

Okay. And uh I was talking to our attorney on that. The fleet. There's some there's some I'm trying to find it here. Um, there were some items in there that basically says that we cannot have without prior permission be able to use have an somebody with you in the vehicle. Correct.

17:54 – 18:400

The only problem is is if you're on a conference or a convention, there's sometimes that there are going to be other people that we may want to take out in our vehicle versus taking another vehicle or each one of them going out in a vehicle. So we group together in a ve in the vehicle and it with that portion in the um in the policy those people would not be allowed because we did not get prior permission. And so like for instance if we were to all say I have the vehicle and yet the last minute Bon wants to come with me instead of going with the other group. Now I have to go and call Kate early in the morning or somebody to get permission to have.

18:39 – 19:180

He's an elected official. I'm an elected. But I I think what you mean is like may maybe I I kind of see what you're saying is like maybe you're at a conference and somebody from Grand County jumps in with you. They're not in Morgan County. So is there something that would I think that I think that's what you're trying to say. Another county, an employee of another county, right? Our county. And I'm I will push back and say I like the way it's written because it reduces the liability on the county. So, in other words, we cannot use it with anybody else in it when not without prior authorization because if you get in an accident and there's 16 people in the vehicle, that's 16 people I got to pay med bills on.

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Okay. I think I think we could get with all of us here, I think we could get some prior permission if we know that we've got it. If I go to a conference, there's times I don't know if uh the director of economic development or the director of tourism is going to ride with me in the D. That's what I'm saying. Do you do you know how to shoot a text off? Hey, who has to authorize it? But who has to authorize I'm in charge of just Kate hold. Okay. Well, she doesn't answer back in 5 minutes or two minutes and we're gone. So, I'm just saying. Okay. So, jump in their car. I don't I don't know. I I don't I just I don't think it's a big deal to you.

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Or if it's a big enough deal to take your own car and get reimbured for the mileage, but we're not supposed to if under our policy, we cannot use our own vehicle and get reimbursed without if there's a vehicle available. It's It doesn't say that. It says we push we use priority. Our preference is that you would use a fleet vehicle. We can't You're elected. I can't force you to use a fleet vehicle if you want to use your own. It is a recommendation that you use a fleet vehicle instead of reimburse for mileage. Okay. Was there another do we have a majority or anything that feels like this is I'm good with

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right now. I'm not good with it at that point. You know, I'll just take my own vehicle and then I don't have to worry. Okay. I like the way it's written for liability reasons. Anything else in there? I think maybe if you're going to a conference, you be like, "Hey, can I get some authorization going to this conference? Is it okay if I have other government officials from other counties get in the vehicle?" That's not a bad idea. That's something you could do before even do that before the conference versus the last second. That's a good idea. Um, you know, that that way we're covered, but yet you have that ability, you know, a little bit of forethought, but I think that goes for all of us to speculate. What about your insurance, Kate? Did that cover it or not?

21:18 – 22:020

It It's more of a I I don't want to get the phone call that there's been an accident and oh, by the way, your wife was in the car and I didn't know anything about it. Um, and she's not under our insurance, but now she's under our liability insurance because she was involved in an accident in a county vehicle. Anything that's going to reduce Leslie and I from heart attacks and paperwork, we are a huge fan of I just kind of read it like really your family members, is there any reason they're even in the county vehicle? I mean, there's really I mean, if you're going to take them with you, you probably ought to take your own car. Take your own vehicle. So,

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I I I just I look at it as other government agencies just say, "Hey, I'm going to be down this conference. I may take some people from Grant County, whatever. Other we might jump them, but I I look at it as far as friends and neighbors and relatives. They really should not you should have your own vehicle if you're taking your family. That'd be my opinion. Was there anything else, Blaine, that you had in there? That that was my major items. Okay. So, um, and my one change is that this will now be passed by resolution, which is, um, so now it's an action item and it would be county resolution 2618. Okay, I'll look for motion.

22:39 – 22:590

Mr. Chair, I make I move that we approve CR26-8, Morgan County Fleet Vehicle Use Policy. I'll second it. I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I Are there any opposed? Okay, motion carries. Okay,

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the amendment to the animal impound policy with Mountain Green is uh they wanted to clarify so the bid required a discount percentage on any services out of scope. Um and when the revamp was done, it was not um it was this section this sentence was not in there essentially that it doesn't apply to specialists because they have to pay their specialists in full and so they they can't absorb that discount. So that was the change to that agreement. The rest of it remains the same. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the animal impounding and care agreement as currently written. I

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have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed? Okay. Motion is approved. Uh same thing as item seven is we need to do this by resolution. So pulling it so that it's um done as an action item by resolution CR 2619. Nothing has changed in the worry. I couldn't see that those those numbers were a per year or anything on there when I was going through it. Is that per year? Is that

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We didn't want to put it in there specifically as per year. Um, and if you would like Casey to speak on this specifically because we didn't want to give the impression, that's also why we didn't put the dollar amount in the policy as that would change over time. Um, but then that way, you know, if we specified in the policy, hey, you get $80 a year, they and they're used to spending 12. They're like, oh, well, I have 80. Um, and so it's it's almost a So, I saw 200 in there. Uh, that's an older version. Okay. I must not have seen the newer one. Uh, it's emailed over the newest version.

24:53 – 25:090

So, that is removed. And then so the only thing with a dollar amount is the uh public safety footwear cap of reimbursement. The only dollar amount that should be in the current policy.

25:06 – 25:510

Okay. And one thing I I spoke with Mike and I spoke with Casey briefly and Brett. Um as far as we're the the two of us are over public works. Um, we're going to sit down with Brett and kind of because we've got shirts and hats and coats and vests and boots and sit down and work out that like what what's really acceptable, what we should be reimbursing um with public works because they're kind of like the the fire department, police department. They are using they're wearing out clothes, coats, they're out in the weather um and find out what is what we really should be reimbursing, what's acceptable, and we'll bring that back to the commission and then that's what will set that dollar amount per employee. Okay,

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chair. I move we approve the Morgan County employee uniform policy CR 2619. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Blocker. I'll second. Second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? Any opposed? Okay, we are on F1 now for Easter egg baskets. I don't know if there's anyone here to present, but this was a request um for the annual donation of $500 for Easter baskets through the Mountain Mount Mountain Mountain Morgan County Lions Club. Um this was already budgeted for in the commission's donation budget.

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Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the donation of $500 to Lions Club Youth Easter egg hunt for 2026. Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Froel. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed? Okay, motion passes.

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Uh, the commission has had this position on the Morgan County Weed Control Board posted since November. Um, or I'm sorry, in mid December. Um, we've only had uh one applicant that meets the qualifications. So, this is up to the commission to decide if um Adam Tune is a viable nominee and appointment for the Morgan County Weed Control Board. Any uh comment on Adam? I think Adam will do a great job. He's heavily involved in the agricultural industry and has worked with the county in a number of things. So, you do great. You're just biased because he's from Cro

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and he's from Croton, which is an extra plus. We won't hold that against. Uh, Mr. Chair, I move that we approve CR26-15 nominating Adam Ton to or excuse me, appointing Adam Ton to the Morgan County Noxious Weed Board. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner FRO. All in favor? I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion passes. Sorry. And I don't know why I put advisory airport advisory board in there in the packet. Sorry, I don't know, but it blew threw me off for a second.

28:06 – 28:460

Uh, sorry. Um, all right. The uh the next two are pseudo synonymous. They was properly posted and noticed um that there are two expired terms on both the WPR road and fire district and the WPR utilities board. We've had um two applications to fill those seats which are the um the current so these are would be reappoints and uh in the packet was the letter from the board um supporting those nominations. Quick question um and I don't know if Well, there he is. Hi Ed.

28:44 – 29:230

He's hiding behind Jeremy. Um, will these always be appointed by us or will they eventually be elected by the folks within the district? They will always be appointed by you. Okay. Because that is how um because it's a special service district. Perfect. I was just curious. Thank you. So then why don't we do that for the other other special service districts? We don't have any other special service districts. You've got the Mountain Green Fire District Sewward District. But that is a region. Uh, that's a good question because they should be also by us. I don't know. That's an FPA that's written. That's not an SSD. That's an FPD.

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Yeah, I can look into that because they they elect their own boards as well. I know that there's um at least if I'm thinking right, the PID boards eventually are going to be elected by the residents and and there's some um transition once they reach certain thresholds, but I'll look into that. Okay. Because that's we've got the Rome also that's come I mean that's a correct we should be also on that board. I mean, somebody should be we should Well, they don't have an amazing attorney that keeps me on my toes. Okay,

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Mr. Chair, I move that we approve CR26-16 reappointing Ed Schultz and Jenny Robinson to the Wasatch Peaks Ranch Road and Fire District Board of Trustees. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Felro. All in favor? Any opposed? Uh, so same thing. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve CR26-17 reappointing Ed Schultz and Jenny Robinson to the Wasach Peaks Ranch Utilities Board of Trustees. That's why I felt like I'm sorry. I said that's why I felt like it was duplicated to me. They're two different entities. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Nickerson.

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Nickerson. All in favor? I. Any opposed? She passes. I don't get those. Welcome to stay here, EB, as long as we are. Let's see you stay all night.

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Um, so I've I've been pushing these uh so a lot some of these will say January, February, what have you. It's just we've had some pretty deep um agenda packets and so I've kind of pushed these to as as late as I could and that's why you're getting them all at once. Um, but these are your budget adjustments and per the county commission's policy that they passed in 2025, um, if someone is coming forth to ask for money from general fund or a fund balance, not just general fund, but the fund balance, um, it needs to be approved by the commission. So Sean, do you want to present your items?

31:46 – 32:290

Good evening. Um so yeah so the the first one here is for the enterprise installment uh for the GIS. Um this cost was unexpected. We had no idea that this was going to be coming at us. Um but after talking with uh Jeremy the IT um it's the best route to go. It is a one-time cost and it's what's going to hold all the it's going to hold and and index all the Did GIS not explain that to you or I just don't know why was blindsided. It's coming from Ezri from Enterprise. Um

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during the discussion with them I swear to God above but we couldn't find anywhere that they said it was included with it. But uh it is not we do have an SQL server but it's a 2017 version and the EZRI requires a 2025 version. So this was an unforeseen expense. It's a one-time purchase but we can use it not only for his we can use it to upgrade our current one for cassette and all that too. So, but yeah, it was unforeseen and I swear they said it's not in writing is what I'm hearing. Okay. Okay.

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It's up to the commission. Yes, I would. Yeah. So, uh, Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the budget adjustment A5A1, moving 257742 from the general fund balance to the GIS equipment supplies and maintenance fund. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner FRO. All in favor? I I Are there any opposed? Okay, motion passes.

33:53 – 34:260

So, this next one is is my fault. Um when the commission approved the scanning of documents in 25 um not the scanning of documents the no the part we haven't done yet because we don't have all the documents scanned where they yeah maybe what's the word where we can easily search for it the search portal

34:23 – 35:080

anyway the commission Sean came before the commission during the 2025 budget and had asked for um a set amount to be able to document or easily search for all of our records once they were scanned. At the time he had we had also approved a temp employee budget to get that done. The commissioner approved that in FY2025. However, he came back and said there's no way I can get that done by the end of the year. So, can we roll that to 26, which you had already approved to roll the that part to 26, but we forgot to roll the temp employees that are scanning all that documentation to 2026. Okay.

35:05 – 35:500

So, it it was budgeted. It just kind of got forgot to get rolled to the next year. Correct. Okay. You budgeted you tried to budget in 25 so it would just get done in 25. We only remembered to roll when we figured out we couldn't get it done in 2025, we had only remembered to roll the software portion and not the staffing portion to get it done. So that was my fault. My bad. Thank Mr. Chair, I move that we approve action item 5 A2 $6,000 from the non-EP departmental wage adjustment to the recorder temp employee fund. I'll second the motion.

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Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed? Motion's unanimous. Okay. 5B.

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All right. So, this one it is my fault. It wasn't discussed last year, but um I I think I was so excited that you approved a full attorney when I had only requested a partial attorney to work up to and I I failed to come back and ask for um money to basically get the office supplies, the laptop, the equipment, um the desk and so forth. So um I am requesting that that come from the general fund. You think they need equipment to work? Go. I thought they provide their own. Just bring their office.

36:47 – 37:230

Well, Janet is paying for her Adobe right now and I'm trying to rectify that. She's doing what? She's been paying for her Adobe for the last two and a half years. And so there will be enough in this budget to take care of that or is that coming? So there's so if you saw in a prior iteration of the agenda, there were other multiple requests to help pay for Doug's Lexus. Um, you know, all the licensing and searching and things that we do that way as well. Let's clarify what a Lexus is.

37:20 – 38:060

That's a good good point. So Lexus Nexus is um it's a legal search engine. There's also one called Westlaw and yeah, so these are it's not a car. So for his subscription to Adobe, all of those things, um it was included in that explanation. But because I wasn't requesting that from the general fund and from another budget, it didn't have to come today, but it will be in a future meeting. And so there's more explanations there. But I've also made the request for Janet's Adobe in that budget adjustment.

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Okay. Mr. Chair, I move that we move $2,448.52 from the general fund balance to the attorney office supplies. Second. Okay. Heard me. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Blocker and a second by Commissioner Ferrell. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion is unanimous.

38:33 – 39:120

Sorry, I'm trying to get to the Okay, our workman's comp went up as well as our UWAC membership contributions. So, um, plus we are paying for a retired employees benefits for nine months. So, I just need money moved from general fund to the insurance line to cover those three things. Do we pay UAC out of the insurance line there? Um, UAC is who? Well, or that's who the workers comp is through. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's not the UAC membership dues. It's the insurance portion.

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I mean, those went up a little, but not to the point that I needed to do a budget adjustment. So on the um insurance, didn't we approve something with a new company for workers comp? Yes, but that doesn't go into effect until um it was six months then. Right. We had to do six months. Okay. I couldn't remember if that was it or not. Okay. We'll have a nice savings next time, but yeah, we'll have huge savings next time. Oh, it looks like it's about a wash now. Yeah. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve uh action 5C1 u moving $45,000 from the general fund balance to the non-EP departmental insurance.

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Second the motion. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed? Motion passes. C2. Okay. As looks like two is actually part of one. So we got to skip to three. Uh no it is not right. Nope. So two separate amount. Oh net zero. Gotcha. That's why there's no amount. Yeah. So um

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so two is uh so again a lot of these are from the beginning of the year and as we do have to make um open enrollment and URS adjustments um after the beginning of the year. These are all the adjustments. So these are the ones for fund 10. So as you see we have some offices um where it's actually less because of how they allocated but obviously a lot of them are more. So at the end of the day we'd be pulling um 16,12655 out of non-EP departmental wage adjustments but because these do affect um salary and wage lines I do need your permission. Oh gotcha.

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These are all triggered from open enrollment. And then there was one more and that was the uh garbage enterprise fund which you guys did budget adjustments last year to correct that. Um and then we just needed to redo the budget adjustment this year to correct it for 26. Okay. And all of that's part of number two. Correct. I just didn't know how to put that on a Okay. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve item 5C2, uh, the benefit adjustments amount that are listed in the packet.

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Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed? Okay. Okay. One of the other projects that the county commission approved um from 2025 funds was the fixing of the cement pad in front of the fire station. That did not get done in 2026. So those monies that were budgeted were rolled back into the fund balance. And so I need to budget to pay for that awarded bid in 26.

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Mr. Chair, I move we approve item 5C3 um moving $42,500 from the general fund balance to the fire building and grounds fund. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner FRO. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed?

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Okay, motion carries. Um uh part of our Wasatch Peaks Ranch Road and Fire District agreement was for um upfront monies and a big chunk of that was for turnout gear. We didn't um spend we it was 55,500. We didn't spend hardly any of that which left 31,500. Well, it was technically 31,49976 rolling back into the general fund balance because we can't purchase turnout gear until we know what who we're hiring and what size they need. Um, so we will be spending that this year. It is sitting in fund balance. We just need to be able to put that back into the budget.

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So, chair, I'm just a minute. You have a question? Yeah, I have a question. So, So you have to put it back into the budget. Correct. So we budgeted it for 2025 when we did the whole WPR RFD agreement for almost a million dollars. And but we didn't spend all of that, but it was given to us to spend. They did pay us for it. We just didn't spend it all because we hadn't hired all of the full staffing to know the sizes to order those general care. So that 31,000 and change rolled back into the general fund and now I needed back out back in the budget so we can get turnout gear. Okay, got it. Thanks. You're welcome.

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Mr. Chair, I move that we approve action 5C4 moving 31,500 from the general fund balance. Um, let's see to fire turnout gear. Second it. I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed?

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Uh the next one is, and I don't know how I missed this, we budgeted for the revenue of the NIKA grant, but we didn't budget for the expense. This is a reimburseable. So, we have not received the money yet, nor have we expended the money yet. Um, but we only budgeted the revenue and not the expense of the grant. So that's a wash. That's an in and out. Correct. I move that we approve item 5 C5 as a wash brand. I'll second the motion.

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Have a motion by Commissioner Ferrell and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Six. Okay. And then the last one is the moving of the monies. You already approved um that it would come from it. I just hadn't submitted to you the budget adjustment. And this is for the repair of the library ceiling which turned out beautifully. If you have not seen it, can you verify the amount? Cuz the amount on the invoice was 12,5. Is this just double? It's So they charged us. So there's invoice 1462 and invoice 1463. Oh, they were there two there's two invoices and maybe I only put one in the packet, but yeah, it should be 24108.

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Yeah, I only see one in the packet. Okay, that makes sense. So, what was the second one for? It's the same amount. So, the approved bid was 24,108. He just invoiced us 50% and then 50%. Oh, half down. Yeah. Final invoices. Okay. Then, Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the transfer of $24,18 from the general fund balance to the capital improvement project expenses fund. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. I. Any opposed?

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You got to say. Motion's unanimous. Right. Now, on the um for your next item, which I know you need to go into BOE, I just wanted point of clarification that we do need to do this by resolution and I did not put the resolution number on the agenda. Do you have that number? It's on the screen. Uh CR26-01-E. So, we need to go out of commission. Mr. Chair, I move that we adjourn the commission meeting and convene as the Morgan County Board of Equalization. Second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton. and a second by Commissioner Ferrell. All in favor? I

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I Any opposed? Okay, we are now a board of equalization. Does anyone want Is this Is this a new requirement? I don't remember us doing this in the past. So, this is an existing requirement that um just hadn't done it.

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Correct. So, it is um every nonprofit um that qualifies for exempt status has to do an annual um an annual statement to keep their continued property tax exemption. Um, so this is theirs and we we have reached out or we royal we um the assessor's office and the clerk auditor's office have reached out to other exempt entities such as Morgan Grace Church um to get them to submit their PT21 as well. This is the correct process um that you should be seeing annually. Cool. Okay. Okay. So, are we

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planning as a BOE board, so we may as well be doing everything right now? Yeah. So, question just a question I have is so this is a requirement for every single year on from now on it's been that way. It's just the county's never we've never done it the process. Yes. Oh, boy. So, as it's kind of like personal property taxes, you if you get rid of something, you get to take it off. You add some, you put it on.

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And the reason that if I can explain, um the reason that um the exempt status that they have to apply for it annually is because even though they own it, their exempt status is also not just based off the ownership, but the use. So, there's like they they can't claim a parking lot if they just have a parking lot. um and it's not attached to the actual structure of the ward house, shall we say, that's it's not allowed in a full exemption. So, we also need to know that they're actively using it 100% of the year for the purpose of their exempt status and that's why it's required by the state that they request it annually.

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That that makes sense why they were saying no the seminary this is what it does. This is the purpose. Okay. Okay. All right. So is the 2026 list of parcels for continuing exemption is that all owned by the church? So all of this had to be verified and signed off by the assessor's office and that's why you see Janelle's signature. So that's all LDS church owned. Correct. Okay.

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So if church has something that's a for profit item, does that count? So, a great example is Cash County. Their Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they own um a um Oh, good grief. Like a a scout camp. Oh, yeah. Scout. But they also rent it out a portion of the year for people to use. And so they don't get the full exemption on that. And so they tell us every year or they tell Cash County every year, hey, 60% of the year this is used by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but the other 40% of the year we forprofit rent it out to Boy Scouts, you know, 4, FFA, what have you. So, do we have any of those in our county?

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We do not. Not even Hamlet. I'm sorry. Yeah, not in this or the Woodland. There's a couple that said that portions of it are not exempt, right? Is that No, it actually lists on there what portions are not exempt and there is a portion that is in Zerahhem that we actually do value. Okay. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Chair, I move we approve resolution CR26-01- BOE. Second. Motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I. We did go. Correct. You did. Yes.

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And this is a first check of the year. So, there's a there's a due date, but because our um nonprofits aren't used to us following the process, um we're giving them a little bit of grace as far as getting the paperwork turned in. Okay. I was just wondering the numbering. You got BOE1. So, correct. Because this is for the tax year 2026. Okay. because this is the exemption for their 26 tax year. Well, before she does before the assessor's office assesses the property. Okay. So, I was just wondering, we've already done some board of equalization. It's just

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correct. So, the other ones, the reason that they're numbered differently is because they are affecting the 2025 year. And to keep it straight in my head, it'll say CR 26. So, approved in 26, but for year 25. And then the action item is how it's coded. So this is your first action item of 2026 only. I thought we'd already done some BOE stuff. You've done a lot, but they affected the FY2025 taxes. Oh, okay. All right. Got it. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Mr. Chair, I move that we exit as a end as a board of equalization and reconvene as a county commission.

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Second the motion. Have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I I Are there any opposed? Motion carries. And every another reason that the state requires that is just for transparency. If we're taxing someone and not taxing another, there's the paperwork of hey, we are the reason the commission is or the board of legalization is not taxing this is because they have proven that they are okay or they're not exempt.

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I have a question then for you if I may at this point. Um, so like for instance, the government, I mean, with that bill that we helped pass, um, other counties that own property in our county, are they going to need to, well, they've got to do their due diligent by asking us if they remain exempt or not. Do we have other properties in our county that are exempt right now because of and then will be affected by that law? um only with that county and per the the final version of that piece of legislation, only one of those parcels is outside of ourou that um the attorneys are working on with the 910 cattle ranch and that was a parcel that they picked up in 1987.

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Right. So, um so we'll work on that later. Correct. Okay. What I'm wondering is C Davis County, do they own the ground where BRC is or is that owned by us or the city? It's actually owned by Davis Tech. So that would be another item. It It is and it isn't. And it is actually on Well, it depends on what we do. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right. Um this is Oh, sorry, Chair. Well, I was just uh Commissioner Blocker just called my attention to Brian was here and his item was in the cons consent agendas and we didn't I didn't even recognize him.

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I spoke to him earlier and he's like, "Yep, I just thought I'd show up and get any question." Okay. So, he just walked out. So, okay, perfect. Didn't want him to feel left out. He's gone. He must have just wanted to hang around and listen to how well we do things. Somebody had questions and he got pulled from he said he was here for any questions. Okay, Garrett number seven.

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All right. Um and and I'll just keep this brief. Technically, it doesn't have to be here. I think when I was going through my budget adjustment, I panicked and thought that this had to be approved. Either contract for three or four licenses with Lexus Nexus fall under the procurement policy threshold. But just um FYI, this is that Lexus Nexus search engine that is for case law statutes, but also it has some um some it would help the assessor's office as well. Short-term rentals. There we go. So So it has a search function that can help both offices. Um I've spoken with Janelle. We're planning to do the four and the total is well below the 5,000. So, I apologize for putting it on the agenda, but that was more of a I was feeling uh nervous that I had to get it on, but it it doesn't need to be on. So, more justformational.

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It does not need to be on. You have funding to cover it in your budget because the budget Yeah. So the budget adjustment that we talked about was already covered and so they were kind of tied together. So it's okay for uh the commission chair to sign this though for is that what you're asking him to sign approve the true we can approve the agreement and ask the the chair to sign it but it does fall under and then Janelle and I we've worked out um depending on if they're able to bill separately we can do a budget adjustment if needed. Well, let's let's approve that under F7. Chair, I move that we approve the Lexus Nexus agreement um as listed in the packet.

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Um can you specify for the four licenses? For the four licenses. Second. Motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Felro. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion passes.

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Okay. As you know, we had a little bit of excitement um a couple weeks ago. We found um asbesus and mold in an office. Um and we did have an emergency remediation um of that that is obviously still in progress, hence all the monitors still here in the desks out in the hall. Um so this is the opportunity for um as commission chair Matt Wilson has already declared his conflict, but this is his opportunity to declare his conflict and for us to confirm and approve the emergency remediation and the repair of uh that office. I'll just abstain from voting for sure. Did we

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The other thing is is um when I called um Corey on this um also I don't know how I don't know exactly how that bid was broken down. Um but it I confirmed that there apparently he said that there was a charge for doing it over weekends. I don't think that's the plan of it. So it would be red the plan of it until but it was the plan. It was the plan but now it's not the plan. So it would be reduced by that amount. Is that correct? Or does this reflect the reduction?

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This is the original emergency invoice that proposal that I signed. If there is any reduction, that is news to me. We were paying a premium because they were here until midnight and they were working on the weekends. The the stop work order on the rest of it was news to me and I would have fought it had I known that was a thing. But um this is what we had agreed to. And the reason that it is the price that it is is because it was an emergent like done. they were it even states in there it assumed that our crews can work Saturday and Sunday um and and they were there um many times until midnight working on the remediation um so

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okay just wanted to clarify that

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questions from the commission

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and we obviously Garrett and and I um after many conversations have identified holes in our procurement and policy. It was on my my list as um my triage list from my original contract that we were going to rewrite the procurement policy anyway, but that wasn't slated as a project for me until Q4 of this year. So, we are going to bump that up to Q2. Um so that is going to be um an adjustment that you will see in in Q2 is we are going to be rewriting both the procurement and the surplus policy of the county which would more clarify um the processes for an emergency um such as this. I since I have been county manager uh this is my third one. The first one being um the server needing to get fixed and then the second time being the server coolant dying on us and having to get that we we can't function without it. So

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I think we had the wind blow off the roof down green too. But yeah, but that was well below um a a bid amount. Um and these all of those three this one and the two with the surfer were above that bit amount. So,

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so in addition, just something that I'll be working with Kate on. I've reached out to the division of air quality, which is a subsidiary of the division of environmental quality so at the state. And I think that there's been some uh nervousness in in the building, myself included, because I know work was done on my office a while back. um with asbestous procedures and and things of that nature. So, we're hoping to coordinate a time at our next meeting to have a presentation. doesn't have to be super long, but just to get some of that information because not I think sometimes we're we have to make decisions about what is an emergency and we may not be the experts in the field of whether asbestous you know what levels um you know molds what like what constitute that emergency and I think some of that education can help as the commission is making decisions under the code which is an exception to the bid requirement.

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So, does this building still have a lot of aspect under the carpet, too? So, the um addition that's being done right now in for election services that's over in the um the court office that we will have to do asbestous remediation in in that anytime we essentially anytime we touch the floor.

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The reason why I'm asking is because in our Wasatch regional front economics uh developments meeting we talked about EPA brownfield grants um which asbestos it qualifies for one also a gun rage qualifies for one um so you can have access to clean up any contaminated prop properties enabling redevelopment. They fund two million towards cleanup um and revolving loan funds, assessments, all that stuff. So, University of Utah's got one. Salt Lake County has used it. Great idea. Great idea.

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Don't we have to could be good to look into lean in that? Now we have to go and designate a zone for that too as to where we want that kind of a process to be done like the gun range and create a field area. Well, it just says enabling redevelopment. Okay. I'll look it up. All right. Be worth looking into for sure. Yeah, I'd like free money. So, so the items that the one item's already been done. That's this the remediation the remediation's already done.

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So, here's what's already done. The remediation is completed. The testing has come back. That the error is is clean and there's no residual. We have already paid for the very quick overnight shipping of or well not paid for but essentially we've already signed on this. They've already paid and done for the carpet squares. So the only thing is we haven't paid for the carpet squares but we agreed to pay for the carpet squares in the installation. So this is just for the assessor and the uh recorder's office or is this just the recorder?

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This is for the recorder's office and the portion of the assessor's office that also tested positive. And so those were the ones tested. So we tested a lot more that tested positive. Okay. Okay. So the assessor's office can go out. We're going to Yeah. Okay. So, what I'm asking is is okay, so we're coming up with all these different problems and everything in the building. Um, unless we disturb the asbestous, it's not going to hurt anybody. If we disturb it, that's whenus hurts. Correct. Correct.

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And so, are we have we disturbed it or are we going to be disturbing it or what's going on? Oh, when they ripped the carpet up. Okay. So, that's when it was Okay. Correct. Okay. Just wanted to verify. Okay. Yeah. We're not disturbing anything else until I hope not. I think Brett had um well, I know Brett had Corey because he asked me to go measure the assessor's office for future because we're we gave him an assignment to figure out how much it was going to cost to remodel each area by a square foot basis. So, I think he chose the assessor's office, okay,

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to do that. So, he's getting all his bids together to figure out a square footage so he can start plugging stuff into his budget. That's what the assessor bid was. Okay. All right. That's how I understood it. Is that right, Kate? Uh, well, partially. No. Um, Janelle wanted she said, "If we're going to go ahead and do that back room, why don't we just go ahead and do the whole thing?" And I said, "Well, then let's get an estimate of what that would be." Okay? because eventually we're going to need a building. If we've got all this hazardous stuff around here, even though we've repaired already your office, we're repairing another office and repaired another office.

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I thought that's what the commission wanted after they spoke at last meeting was that was the point is to do every office a couple offices here. That's fine.

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Exceeded as long as we can. Can I can I make one more comment? I know this probably won't make Kate happy for me to say this. I'm happy to um I just did what I was asked to do by ACS by ordering the the carpet. So, I'm happy to that doesn't I'm not don't feel like this is a decision based on I've already ordered some. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. So,

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well, I think I discussing this with Kate, with Garrett. I mean, if I if I'm a contractor or if a contractor is hired to give a bid, I typically don't ask, "Who are all your subcontractors?" It's usually like, "I need a bid to get this fixed." They give me a price. And so, they don't necessarily list me as the electrician and so and so is the So, I can kind of see where I see kind of both sides where it could be a conflict. But, yet again, we didn't ask. I mean, I didn't know that you do all this work for ACS, I have no idea who you work for. And so when we ask somebody for a bid, if we don't ask them who your subcontractors are, they just get us a bid and here it is, you know. So that's I mean, I careless who does the work. I don't think it was intentional that we were trying to get anything done or anything like that. I don't I don't see that at all. I just think we reached out, asked for a price, and this was the price. We didn't ask who the who the subs were or what they were doing. So

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So what we're trying to approve I think is it just the 68 3417 is that or the whole thing? Oh, it's the whole 26 or to ratify the prior um

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ratify the prior decision and and maybe you know and feel free to push back on me but but from my perspective the reason we have the procurement policy, the open meetings act and all of that is to allow if there is a conflict it can be declared right. So, if it had come in a bid process, um I I know that Commissioner Wilson has said, "Well, I do work for ACS or airport or whatever it may be and and he declares that and it gives him that opportunity." And it's um it's good for transparency. It's good to protect Commissioner Wilson, too. It's good for optics, all of those things. And so, um you know, once again, we have very narrow areas where emergencies can be done. I remember a few years ago when I was I think it was before Kate um where we had someone on the ground and here and as a purchasing agent who was here all the time. I think we considered using the emergency exception to the bid requirement and as the discussion went about we said is it really an emergency and and there was a discussion between the commission of whether it qualified and if we were going to do that then let's list why it qualified and then the commission ended up not finding it as an emergency because they didn't want to set a precedent a certain way. So I I think it's more from me saying, "Hey, let's be let's do the transparency as much as we can given that there was this situation that um was determined to be an emergency by the commission and the purchasing agent. Now we're just allowing the conflict to be declared, explain situation, and talk about why it was declared an emergency." So that that's my perspective on it and and I could be wrong too. That's my

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perspective.

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No, I think it's good to I mean we want things to be out in the public. Absolutely. I just you know I know we've had some conversation about the mold and you know people having to work in it. We found it and it's like okay we got to get this fixed quick and I so I kind of understand the emergency with that where it's like we don't want it just to sit and and let it fester. We've got people working in the building. They're, you know, not feeling safe to work because of mold being found. And then they found out, oh, there's asbestous, too. And that a word comes out and everybody, it gets even worse, you know. And so, I can kind of I can I appreciate what you're saying just because it's, you know, the um what is an emergency? What do we declare as an emergency?

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One other question if I may. So these emergencies and things that happen um are we can they be done like for instance this one um could it have been done even though the employees and everything didn't want to come to work the next Monday but could it have been done where we closed down that portion of the building after not on a weekend during the week. I'm just curious. Could we

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Is your question is this something we could have done and not had to pay for the night and weekend? Yeah. So, I'm sure it is, but this was discovered on a Friday and that was the portion of it. That was the weekend. Um Sean Rose, Jeremy Archbold, and I were all here on Sunday moving computers. Um we pretty much it was our emergency. Yeah. I mean, we could sit here all day and should have, would have, could have, but there's Okay. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, I I don't regret my decision. We'll put it that way.

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It needed to be fixed, and it's we're in the process of it. Okay. So, what are we approving dollar-wise? The total 25,000. The We're just Yep. The 25 310 12 enough. Um, Yep. And just allowing Commissioner Wilson to declare his conflict. Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the uh emergency remediation repair of the county recorder and assessor's office in the dollar amount of $25,31012. Second.

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Have a motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Nickerson. I will abstain because of my conflict. All in favor? Are there any opposed? Okay. Can I just say I'm sorry this happened to all the staff and great job working together here and being in tight quarters and hats off to you. It's hard is chair. I think Sean wants to say something if he may. You bet Sean. And I'll say thanks Sean for your patience because I know I derailed the plan a little bit and I appreciate your patience.

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Oh, thank you. Um, I just want to give Kate credit for what she did. Um, I don't think anybody else would have done it. He did what she thought was best and getting everybody out. Um, and I appreciate what Kay has done, just taking care of the issue. I do understand that we can sit here and go back and forth of, you know, what we could have should have done different. I understand that, but at the time it was what needed to be done. I have a staff that I'm going to do to protect them or whatever I need to do to protect them. They're not comfortable working in the office. So, we're here as you can see. What I will say is we really need to decide what we're doing going forward. If what Kate decided to do wasn't okay, then we need to decide what going forward what needs to be done. Um because there's been a lot of questions of what's happening, what's going to do, what's what's going to be done. Um then, you know, the work was stopped. There's a lot of questions being being asked of what's next, what's going to happen. You're Janelle's office. You're doing half of it, but then it's being questioned of why do we need to do the rest of it? We need to sit down and figure out what's going to happen in the future. you have problems in this building and we need to address it.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair. May I ask another question? Sure. Um, this that I mean other than the asbestous, the mold that came in, do we know the problem where it came from? Do we know that yet? What was it? It's the heaters. The heaters. The boiler heaters. So, have we fixed Oh, have we fixed the problem? Yes. Okay. All right. Cuz otherwise, we're just going to repair it. We're have I 10,000% understood. Okay. And I also just want to say thanks, Kate. I appreciate it. You did.

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We got to vote on it first. Can I put you off just for a second and have a fivem minute break? I thought we had the vote for this. You already did. Oh, yeah. We did. Sorry.

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Okay, we're going to take a fivem minute break and we'll reconvene. I'll freeze all of our guardians. It's up.

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first day off. One of the sad things I talk to my students So sad to me every year.

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So I'm not a slacker. I'm just learning. This is my first time being the one that's like taking the notes and speak so fast sometimes. It's true. You know that's speaking speaking. I know. But do your best. I thank you.

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Okay, we'll reconvene. Jeremy, this is a public hearing item, so we're on F9.

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Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and good evening. Action item F9 is the Bowman reszone uh which is application number 25.047. The applicant, Mr. Brad Bowman, is in the audience tonight, Mr. Chair. The project location is 3690 North Morgan Valley Drive with the applicable parcel number and uh serial number in your staff report. The uh the date of the application is September 4, 2025. The current zoning is um a little bit mixed. It's rural residential which is the RR1 designation and agriculture which is the A20 designation both present on the property and the general plan designation is to uh is the village low density res residential and rural residential designations from the county's general plan. The acreage of the property is is 1.39 acres and the request for tonight Mr. chair is to request or to reszone property from a split designation of RR1 and A20 to R120 which is a residential zone with an accompanying amendment to the future land use map from village lowdensity residential and rural residential to village lowdensity residential completely. Mr. Chair, staff has done a review on this request. There's some helpful uh clarification in your staff report about the history of the property, the home, an older home from a 1942 build and an an accessory structure on the property. The map's getting pulled up right now. Uh the the request is to be able to to develop the property, but with the future development beyond the existing home uh would simply require subdivision approval and and compliance with county applicable county ordinances, including

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frontage access and infrastructure requirements. And so that's to say that um that that doesn't need to be decided tonight, but staff's findings are based on u a few things. I'll read them as as found in the meeting packet tonight. Uh first that the amendment is appropriate given adjacency to existing R120 zoning established access and the low density character of the of the proposed R120 district. Uh two that the reszone is unlikely to adversely impact surrounding residential, rural residential or agricultural properties. Three, that the amendment supports county objectives while maintaining an orderly land use pattern in the Peterson area. And four, that the proposed amendment is in harmony with existing land uses in the area. And to add one more, the property is currently non-conforming due to the RR1 uh zoning on the property. So, this would a reszone and an approval of a resone would bring the property more into compliance. Mr. share. Uh also the future land use map as shown on your screen does show village low density res residential uh on on a majority of the property. Uh so the staff finds this request is supported by sound planning practices. Uh otherwise the planning commission heard this in their regularly scheduled meeting on February 26th of this year. The applicant clarified the history of the property and ownership thereof at that meeting. Uh there was minimal comments from the public and from the planning commission who therefore recommended approval of the request with a 5 to zero vote. Member Wilson was absent from the meeting and chair Maloney refrained from voting that evening, Mr. Chair. Otherwise, Josh and I are happy to answer any questions you may have and again the applicant is in the audience. Thank you.

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So, I'm I am a little confused on this. I was trying to I I should have given you a call and I apologize for not because I could eliminate some time from our meetings, but So, what does this what does this then allow for in future development? I know they have to come back before us, blah blah blah, but and it's con going to make it conforming, but what does it allow for then? 20,000 square foot lots.

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That's correct. So the uh future land use map uh the property is already majority lowdensity residential uh which is four halfacre lots or 20,000 foot lots. Uh reszoning the entire property to R120 would allow division into 20,000 square foot uh lots going forward. They would have to provide frontage for each of those lots. So really, you're probably talking max two. Yeah. If you take the total acreage, you multiply it by 65% and then that 65% is what you're left for a net developable density. The rest is for infrastructure. Is that a is that like a private drive, private road going down there? No, it's an easement. It's just an ement. Okay. Yeah.

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Are there two homes on the lot or is that a barn or My understanding is it's a barn. The one in the back is a barn right under where it says 3690 is the only residence. And that home was moved. I have no idea if it was moved or not. No, it's just an old home. It was just old. Which one? I was listening to under the 3690. Was it moved before? Yeah, it was.

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Yeah. Originally, the home was up on the side there and when the canal went through, they had to move it. And that property was actually owned by my uncle Frank who owned all that adjacent property that and they carved that out and he gave it to his cousin so that they had a place to move that when they wanted to put the canal in. Then they built the barn because he was a dairy farmer at the time, the cousin, and he owned some property. To the east of that is where he kept his cows and everything. He had some some uh grazing land and all there.

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Okay. So, I guess one of my questions are one of them. I don't understand the need unless you're planning on developing it. Well, we're not sure exactly what what I'm hoping is to find a way to that I can carve off the existing home and have it separate. So, where's the exist with its own lot and then the rest of it, my family owns a contiguous house.

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And so, I'm talking to the family about trying to figure out what they can what we can do together to try to do something with the rest of the property there. either just utilize the barn as part of our agricultural operation, uh make a separate lot out of it if we can meet all the requirements to do that. And so the and this is more for the planning these and I'm have to go over here. Got to go to the next one. Next map. Yeah, next map. Okay. Okay. on that map. There's an error with that map, by the way.

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If you can explain it. Yeah. So, in GIS, you have several layers. Uh if you leave the layer uh open for editing, you have the possibility of clicking and dragging a shape. And if you look at that kind of peachy color, right? Uh it has been dragged and shifted. So, that that show us on there, please. Can you click and drag it and put it back? That needs to be slid up into that. So, it's the white line is what the right one, right? Yeah. No, the red. It's just dark up like a black puzzle piece. No, what I'm saying is if you look at the white line, is that the correct property line? The white line is the correct property line.

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Okay. The shape file has been uh altered. Um, I don't know if they dragged and clicked and they moved the shape off of where it should be, but this whole area should be shifted up to follow. So, the black line shifted. So, what does the black line mean? Black lines, right? So, it's a couple errors that need to be edited. Okay. Um, and doing this will fix it.

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Peach shaped is the current zoning, which is uh A20. And then there's a little RR1 probably down here. But it all just needs to be shifted up. So it snaps. It It hasn't been snapped. Okay. So hang on a minute.

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Correct. Shift. A shift. Yeah. There's almost three layers. Several layers. It's the white line. So all of this is correct because it lines up with the black lines. The piece that's supposed to be on this property has been shifted down. It needs to be grabbed, snapped to the corners, and it would fit right in there. And so you're request I mean, not you, they're requesting just so they can do potentially something different. Um what what they want to do with their property is really irrelevant for a reasonzoning application. Um

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but I may not prove his reason. Well, that is true, but the fact of the matter is you're looking at you're supposed to evaluate a reasonzoning application based on the general plan, based on surrounding land uses, and based on the development in the area, and development in this area has gone to R120. You have all the R120 to the north and the the west. You have R120 to the north and the east. This is a standalone parcel that was left A20 and in in staff's mind. It's not conforming right now as it is. Correct. Yeah.

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And so if you go back to the future land use map, even the general plans future land use map. Hey, can you go back? Oh, sorry. No problem. Can you? Even the future land use map of the general plan shows that a majority of that property should be R120. So based on planning evaluation of the general plan development in the area, we're saying R120 for this 1.39 acre parcel makes good planning sense. Okay. It's basically part of that subdivision except that well it's not it's not part of the subdivision. It's

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it's a standalone parcel adjacent to a subdivision that developed into R120. Okay. So, my problem is, and I'm just, this is my problem. Okay, we're coming in for all these reszones, or we're not now, but we were. This one here is non-conforming, so we're trying to make it conforming. Uh, what about the property that says A20 right below it? And what about the other property on the other side on the eastern northeastern side? I mean, eventually everybody's just going to want to come in and start start Well, this isn't conforming, so let's now make a Well, whether this is make it into a zoning lot or not, I mean, zonable lot. And I mean, I'm just I'm just getting Yeah, it's just I think we just have to take one at a time, Blaine. And

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I know, but each one we do each one and eventually it's just going to cover this whole valley. If you a person I think that's Yeah, but I'm not going to be here all the time. But given that every single person in this county has a right to come in and file an application to do what they want.

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That's right. Now, whether it's approved or not, that's that's up to the legislature or the leg the commission, the legislative body. But I don't have a right to turn somebody away and tell them don't bother applying, right? I don't have that right. What I can tell somebody is when you come in, if you wanted to reszone that to R110 or RM15, I could say there's no RM15. There's no uh R110. there's nothing in the vicinity that resembles that. Staff will recommend denial. And I have done that many, many times. And so, we don't get an application because I can back it up with the general plan and the zoning ordinance.

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I think this one actually makes a lot of sense. This is I mean, the future land use map supports it. The surrounding zoning supports it. It's adjacent to an area that has a water system, which would support smaller lots. To me, this is a this is actually a textbook reszone, right? I understand that, Mike. But but I think the idea of, well, what's next? Well, any landowner could say, "Hey, I want to reszone my property." And and that would be a question for their application, not for this application. Right?

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That is one of the problems with a general plan. It's a snapshot of a vision of what the county thinks it's going to grow to in the future, but things change, right? It's a dynamic changing thing and so you know land use patterns in this area may change. We don't know.

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Um I just I mean I have a a great concern. I mean yes I agree it fits. One of my concerns is this though is appraisers are now starting to look at pieces of property and when they look at these pieces of property they say um well it's eligible for three homes or four homes yet the original intent of that home or that property is to keep it the way it is. So, how is it that the planning department can go and say this can be done and you need to appraise it accordingly and it makes the value of that property go up. This is not in this case. Well, I'm sorry. It has happened.

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Never told an appraiser to appraise a property based on how many lots I thought they could get up. Besides that, besides that, I'm just going to say I'm just wondering where are we going in this county? I mean, I'm worried. I'm really worried about a lot of these. I think that's why you have the general plan in process is so that for the general plan and you have to adopt it as a as a commission. I mean, you're arguably more integral to that process than anyone else in the room except the other four commissioners sitting by you, right? Like you'll have more of a voice there. We can voice, right?

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You know, thoughts and and concerns, but but you know, where are we going? That's up to you. and two others or at least three or five of you. Yeah. Right. I can only evaluate applications that are submitted based on the documents that have been adopted by you. Well, like Mike said, the land owners have a right to use their land. It's their their land. They bought it. They own it and they have a right to come in and request what they would like to do with it. And if if the body says no, then we say no. If we say yes, we say yes. But if it makes sense, we need to ex say yes. So

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I personally I just don't want the reasoning to continue. Well, I know it's going to continue, but let me finish. I can agree with this. It's nonconforming. It needs

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needs to be done just to make it if that's what they want with this property. However, I just see a little bit more that is going to continue to happen and I'm worried. I'm really just worried and I will not tell you my reasons at this point, but I'm worried about the future and if we want to become to where, you know, we're just going to continue. Yes, it's yes, this is our 20, our 120. And with that, sure, if we want to continue and make this area that way, then let's make it that way. And I'm okay with that. Especially when they've got their own water system, let them use it. If they didn't, I'd say no. But

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well, the water system is what allows it to go to R120. State statute says that you have to have one municipal service, either water or sewer, to go to halfacre. You can't go smaller than halfacre, but you have to have one municipal service. In this case, Peterson pipeline provides water service in that area and it's close enough to connect. So, in order to divide it, you have to have proximity to a water at least one water service um or a sewer system. Okay. Correct. There's no sewer system down there yet. So, no, that's correct. Okay. All right, Mr. Chair. Oh, no. We got to go into public. I move that we move into public hearing. Second.

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Okay. Hey, I have a motion uh by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Blockerson to go into public hearing. Blockerson blockerson. You I've been called names. I'm not sure where that came from. Nickerson. Nickerson and Blockerson. Huh? And Blocker. Oh, you got me all frustrated, Blaine. I'm sorry. Okay, we're now in public hearing. any anyone from the public that would like to come up and and share their comments on this matter is welcome to do so.

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Just going to uh clarify one thing for you. That property to the east on that was shown there, that's already zoned R120. That's old. Oh, is it? It's already been resone. So what you have is a straight line running from west to east and this little piece of property carved out of it that isn't and it wasn't reszoned because it was already an existing home and was just sitting there and it was originally part of that other property but it was carved off when they moved the home. Sorry, the applicant will have a a separate time to speak, right? Okay. Oh, are you the Are you an applicant? Are you the applicant as well? Oh, no. No. Okay.

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I'm a Bowman. Okay. Can you I need you to speak your name and Brent Bowman. Okay.

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Prior to the Peterson area plan committee meetings, the 11 lot subdivision to the north of it already existed. And the general plan said a village should be a 10-minute walk or approximately 3,000 ft. and which goes into that 11 lot subdivision. So that's your outer boundary. What you're looking at there, Blaine, is the south boundary of the Peterson Village and that's what we intended it to be. So when we were in the area plan committee, I made a motion because the half lot subdivision was already there that our property would be the south boundary of the village where the 11 lots are and then down below on the metal grass fields to the rightway 12 and gas pipelines and everything and that was passed. I did not consider the fact that this little brought it up. The motion passed. That wasn't considered, but it's entirely consistent with the intent of the original area plan. Thank you,

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Mr. Chair. I move that we u adjourn the public hearing and reconvene the public meeting. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Fackerel. All in favor? I fel Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the Bowman Reszone application number 25.047, changing 1.39 acres from RR1/ A20 to R1-20 with the um accompanying amendment to the future land use map from village low residential. Okay, low residential density to residential low density. I'll second it.

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And a second by Commissioner Blocker. Back in my groove. All in favor? I there any opposed? Okay, motion is unanimous. Okay, Blaine, looks like you're up. I'm just requesting to be able to attend the business development workshop that has to do with astro tourism and aggra business in Canab, Utah on the 22nd through the 23rd. What's the cost to the county for that? Just the cost of registration. There's no hotel or travel cost. Yeah. Well,

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no, because I'm going to be taking my family. Okay. And what's the registration cost? It says it's I'm not even sure. I think it's free. Oh, it says free on the right side. Okay. Well, I don't know that you need our permission if there's no expenditure associated with it unless unless my family decides not to go and then I'll need a hotel. Okay.

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Comments, questions? I move that we approve Blaine's request to attend the 2026 tourism business development workshop. All sorted. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Blocker, a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I uh any contrary. Okay. Motion passes. Okay.

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Okay. Now we're on the National Day of American Cowboy. last year from Jesse Franic received it. Do we have any one that we would like to nominate? Any thoughts on that? Would like to nominate Von Nickerson. Von Nickerson. No, I would like to nominate um Brett and I would like to nominate Bonnie Brown or Bonnie. Any others? Other thoughts?

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I was kind of thinking if there's any wilds up in the cryon area. Have they ever had it? No. I had Kate send me the list. I didn't see they haven't. That goes back to 2006 and there's no wilds. I just That was one that came to my mind. Pence might be good. And there's Have there been Pence? Wendell Pence. I think Wendle's the only Pence. Oh, he's back to 2006. I think I mean Bonnie's great. Brett's good. I think I think they all I think Steve Vince would be great. Well, Steve passed on Tony Jones that could pass,

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which would be nice. Steve would would be wonderful for that. any cowboy that would adopt a kid at his age. He was a good guy as a as a hero. I think Bonnie would be amazing. She is just a cowgirl through and through and loves the land, loves her cows, loves the mountain area. Just narrow it down to one. Is that Are we voting on one? What are we doing? I I need to turn it in by 1, April. And you turn in one. Is that what we turn in one? Correct. I'm fine with Bonnie. I'm fine with Bonnie, too. I think she's great. I'll I'll second Bonnie Brown.

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Okay. Uh, sorry. Real quick, let me pull this up for you. Oh, lordy. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, I do have a motion for by Commissioner Blocker for Bonnie Brown and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I Are there any opposed on that? Okay. I do need someone to write um the bio. You want to do that? Okay. She's the writer.

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I think she writes very well. smells that I've received seen my writing. Anything you get from me that's even vegetables. So don't do um I have wonder what Chad at GBT would say about

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be amazed. Um okay. I am uh I'm needing to revamp um some of our our triage projects as like we talked about with the procurement um in that I would really like at least 30 minutes with each of the commissioners to make sure that I have identified everything um that you guys um have tasked me with and make sure I didn't miss anything. So, if you guys could just um throw me a couple times or emails that I can get with you on on triage projects um preferably by the end of the month would be lovely. Okay, I can do that kind of like we did last year.

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Yes, please. Okay. Commissioner Blocker, you have anything for um I'll just say I met with um Janet and the Mountain Green Sewer improvement district and to go over their concerns and they made some good points. They would like to see the land actually surveyed um and also an actual plan like an engineered plan of what we want to do so we can actually see it which we need anyway makes sense to have an actual plan and the land surveyed for what we're doing. So, um,

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is there any concern that we might spend the money to do a plan and then them say, "Never mind. We don't want to lease the property or you feel like they're on board. It's just giving them the plan." Cool. Yeah, they're sincere. Good. For sure. Um, so, so a question on that also. Why a survey when it's their ground? It's not ours. We're just leasing it. Why would they need to get surveyed? Well, we need to do that anyway for our engineered plan. You don't need a survey for that. You could just delineate a spot on the property and say this is the line we're going to choose. Okay. Well, they want surveyed. So, surveying's not cheap, but we are in the process. I would push back a little on that and say, look, if they want it surveyed, they can pay for a survey. Maybe they'll pay half or something.

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But I don't see why we would pay for a survey cuz at the end of the day, you're looking at like what's theirs is going to remain there. How much? 16,000 to survey. Wow. That seems really good. What about our new surveyor if we when we get one? That is down the road conversation. Yeah. Okay. Wow. I didn't realize it was that much money. Yeah, they were expensive. How much? Well, yeah, it was in the 50,000s, wasn't it, for 520 ft of the summary summit boundary. Is that like But this is like a flat piece of land. Doesn't matter. That's just what they charge. Woo.

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Yeah, I can bring Yeah, I'll bring that up. That's really expensive. You want a second career surveyor? Might be a good one. You'll survey it for half. I'll survey it for a thousand. How about that? Yeah, we'll take a tape measure out there and take care of it. Um,

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what else? Um they just want like if possible emergency need which I think is already in there. Um if they need to use the gravel parking lot for dredging or staging um then it will be restored by them as well. So I don't think it take this long. Oh yeah. Government takes forever. Oh my goodness. So yeah, Janet's working on this and I think she's giving tasks to

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different staff. That's my update there.

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Well, the economic development I just mentioned already the the EPA and then the the EDA also the economic development. Um since our county is a disaster county from the floods like it's a disaster.

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We get that disaster not relief fund but it's a economic development fund that there's a lot of it. There's like $20 billion um for the whole nation, right? But if we could figure out how it has to be county owned land and you are bringing you're building up your your economics you're bringing in and we

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and it can be used on infrastructure as well. So, I was, you know, thinking outside the box. If you could talk one of the developers to donating five acres or so in the town center, then the county can go in, put in whatever, a plaza, a amphitheater, a museum, whatever. Um, we could apply for that grant, but we don't have I can't figure out any land to do anything with. So, if you guys figure something out,

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I think I think part of it we when we were in Cog the other day, we discussed a little bit about that. So, we we're talking about this text amendment for TC zoning. Is there something in there where we could say, you know, we could have a portion of commercial open space or you could donate a piece to the county that we could use towards these other things? Are those some options that we could put into that to encourage that developer? So, I think the thing is, we brought this up in COG is like, you know, everybody in the county is like, we're tired of town homes, but are there things I think the feeling is we just keep giving them high density, we're not really getting anything. But if in this exchange of a higher density, they can give us a piece of property or they can a park or whatever it is. But is there something we can do in those zones where we don't need 85 acres of commercial, but we can encourage this

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property swap so that we can do these? I mean, I I kind of during the COG meeting, I thought it was kind of neat that, you know, if you had something like the Sandy AM Sandy Amphitheater where people can have a little concert or a gathering space or things like that where it could bring economic development where these funds could be used, but how do we encourage the developer like we will give you that higher density in exchange for this piece of property,

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this piece of property or and and I think that's part when we spoke to to Josh about the text amendment. Um, and you can see I'm ducking down Josh so you can't see me. Um, was what are some options? Okay, you can do 35% commercial. You can do again options 25% commercial with 10% open space or and give them some options to where they don't feel like they have to do all this commercial other Janet's texting me too. Yeah, single family would also be an option. Um, Town Center currently has only two kind of uses, commercial and multif family.

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Correct. um there's no required single family element to Town Center. So if a developer is willing to work with you and to provide a buffer of single family, then they're going above and beyond what the code would require them to do. Um that is something that you can ask for. Um but it is kind of a negotiation between you and the developer. Okay. Jana wants you to know that her town center ordinance code text amendment change does all of that.

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Well, and that's where and and Josh wasn't here at the last meeting when I brought it up and she said it was on her desk and and I just wanted to kind of put that out there because it did come up in cog and and it was like you know these are things like let's think outside the box of how can we provide things to people but yet again the county owns like the zero property basically and how can we encourage developers to work with the county and come back give and take. So um if we own the land though we can't require them to maintain it. You can't separate ownership from maintain. Okay. Another thing that came up in cog was the wreck program.

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Their question is why does it take so much to run the program and van was saying we don't quite have the numbers yet. Oh, I totally have the numbers and I have explained it to them several times that you don't like the answer. That's because there's that's because back in the day c certain people on the cog board that hate how it's being run and so they're going to push and push and push back and they remember back in the day when the entire recreation program ran for $35,000 and I said that's great but now we have requirements especially for football equipment and our football program alone is $55,000. So just because it ran for 35,000 for years

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back in the '9s does not mean that that's what it cost now. And I think part of the conversation was the you know the fees like we're doing the fee study and all that. So it's like are we charging enough? Are we charging too much? Where are we? And so I was telling them like as we're going through this we'll start to learn what it really costs to run the football the soccer and we keep growing it. I mean, we've got but then they bring up like Monday night basketball or something that adult basketball adult everything. So, that was one of my things that as it came up. It's like what does it really cost to run these programs? Were you on there with me at first, Mike? Jared was I mean I I might point out

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with that board and I'm not saying they aren't great guys and they but but they've driven the cost up themselves actually cuz they're charging us for using their facilities now and they weren't in the and they also say that the fees are high and we're like okay so we've already shown that the costs are up which means the fees are up and no the fees don't cover everything because it's just we're just in a We want kids to be able to play. And when do we need our own rec center? You know, that's part of the fairgrounds plan. I'm part of it. It's just a difference of opinion, but direct center. I feel like it's there was there was some discussion on it a while ago.

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Discussion. I think the question is just like when it comes to the ramp tax, how it's being spent, like where it is. And you got and I on there still trying to wrap our hand arms around this find out where it is pushing out. Well, and and I think they um I I think the way that Lydia is running it is the correct way to do it. I you can't pay people nothing and then expect them to do a good job. You just can't.

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Or show up on a weekend or so. have these young kids and these kids are actually staying around and she's giving them small raises and that's what keeps people rewards keep people here. So, but but part of that needs to make sure that we um and I can see the side of the other people that are saying these things um is that we need to be using the ramp tax not to fund the program completely which is what has been happening and we need to use those funds for the specifically for all recreation. At the end of the day though, that that's fine and dandy, but at the end of the day, the cost to run it remains the same. And it really doesn't matter where the money's coming from, right? It's all taxpayer money,

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right? It's all coming in and it's going to be spent on something. So, to me, the COG group needs to sit down and look at the budget because they've been tasked with being the the recreation, what do we call it? Recreation board advisory board. Ramp advisory board. Well, then they need to look at the cost and if they have suggestions on how to deal with that, then they can submit those to us. Adise us tell us how to save money. I mean, some of them might recognize that they could save us money themselves. They they they're in control of that if they wanted to. So, our problem was we were missing our brains, Kate, at the meeting. I still Okay.

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So to that I just want to state there there are three seats on COG. The commission was trying to decide who that third vote would be and it was determined that you didn't want me there because I was too busy and so you appointed Brett instead. So since the commission as a quorum decided that it was not my priority to be there when I am double booked I don't go. So, if it that is not the opinion of the commission that I should be a cog, which I 1,000% feel I should, but I don't get a say, then I need to know that as a quorum so that I prioritize that meeting. But when we've already had that discussion and it was decided that I did not need to be there and it was not a prioritization and hence Brett had the third vote, I can't prioritize something you guys have in a public meeting stated I don't need to be at.

1:58:02 – 1:58:400

I think it's important you're there. I mean to be honest we feel a little bit lost when you're not there. Maybe we need to change that when it comes especially when it comes to the funds the funding. I mean you have such intimate knowledge where it's at the dollars where it's spent what's spent. I maybe we do need to change it. Put it on the next agenda. Okay. And it's you guys can say it here. I'm not trying to change the vote. I'm just saying when you say it in a public meeting that it's not a priority on then I don't prioritize it. Then it sounds to me like we have a majority that thinks should be there. Yeah. So I will bump that especially right now where they're trying to get their feet under them.

1:58:39 – 1:59:170

Yeah. And because every other meeting every other month I have a competing meeting and that's why I miss it every other month. So I will I will add cog back into my prioritization. Okay. Commissioner Newton. Wait. You asked me to come and wait till the end of the meeting to talk about something. Yeah. Well, I would I don't know. I have I don't know what Oh, I thought we Well, we were talking about it and it was like it could be done during commissioner comments. We were just waiting. Oh, sorry. I thought we were in commission. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay.

1:59:14 – 1:59:570

So, it came to uh came to light that in our county in order to put a standby generator on your home, you need to get a conditional use permit, which is somewhat ridiculous. And I that's the question. So I I went in I Josh was in his office and I said this came to came to me and what do you think? And Josh was very straightforward. It's said this is our code. Let's fix that. And so get on the he says if you're staying till 10:30 I'm going home. And I says hopefully this one will be quick. And so so while he's standing here just as we're discussing like I

1:59:55 – 2:00:390

put it on the agenda. Yeah. Or do you want to just ask staff to do a code text minute? So that's pretty. All right. Thank you. Let's get dumb things out. If there's other things like that, too, Josh, that you feel like or Oh, he's got a whole I'm sure you got a lot, but but I mean the ones that are easy for us to fix quickly. Let's Let's get through some of those. I don't see why we shouldn't try to fix some of that. This would be an easy fix. Frustrating people and Okay. You know, normally it's like you go get your permit, you they inspect it, you turn it off. It's not a big deal. So yeah, when this came to light, I'm like, "This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard." So I went to Josh. He's like, "Yeah." Yeah. We have power generation personal use as a conditional use permit. So yeah. Okay. So you'll take I will take care of it.

2:00:38 – 2:01:070

Thanks, Josh. Thank you. Okay. Commissioner, did you have anything else? I I did just have uh had a meeting with on the 910 cattle ranch with Summit County uh last week. It was actually was quite good. They're getting uh kind of trying to put it all together what it is. It's still not accessible by the public as they're putting this all together. Um they brought up the trails. They brought up bicycles and horses and everything.

2:01:05 – 2:02:030

Uh right now they're looking at the Jeremy Ranch Road as far as where to park and get people they the desire is to get people off of that road, get their dogs off the road. Um they've got it kind of uh I was hoping to get the slide before tonight. Um but doing it in phases like a one, two, and a three. The majority of the property that abuts Morgan County would be basically their off limits. It's like it's pretty much left as as wilderness. Um along the road is more of your hiking, dog walking trails, the higher use, and then the equestrian trails kind of out. Um Sean I asked Sean for a copy of the um conservation easement and the vast majority is really limiting the bikes like even in the conservation easement it was very limited on bike

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all 83 pages of it. Yeah. Um bikes isn't bicycles pedal bikes bicycles pedal bicycles and ebikes are an absolute no. They're a motorized vehicle. So even on the road, they can't have anybody. Well, the road's a road. It's a It's owned. They could You can pedal on the road, but once you leave the road into into the trails and that, but you can ride a bicycle along the road.

2:02:23 – 2:02:570

On the road. Yes. Um, but they're trying to get like I guess they were saying like 300 people a day or something with their dogs every day up and down the They're trying to get them off the roads, but there's concern with um um the cattle, the dog waste getting into the creek, those kind of things. clean up. So, they're they're getting based studies um numbers on the creek, the water quality, so they can monitor that. So, it's um I've got another they're meeting I think it's next week as a as a followup.

2:02:53 – 2:03:390

So, why don't they want to put any trails or anything that connect the trails on the other side on Morgan County side and that side too? So they're the way they and I that's why I wish I I was able to get that slide deck to kind of I could have Kate put up there to show is is uh they're trying to limit like the exposure of certain areas like to keep it where the wildlife can get away and be protected and because the the intent of the the conservation easement was for the wildlife. Um that's why there's no hunting. Um he he wanted to the the owner wanted to be a wildlife sanctuary. So they're looking at the areas that are least likely for people to get into to give the wildlife a place to go as a refuge to get away from the people.

2:03:37 – 2:04:130

So So what are they going to do about the property right next to them which is state ground and that ground uh they do hunt there. Are they going to put up a fence or anything or is it So they they didn't say anything about any sort of fencing. Um there was concern about up that direction with um equestrian because of in Salt Lake County equestrians are not the equestrian is not allowed because of the watershed and so they felt that would be a great area to kind of keep that off limits because that protects the wershed and so there's a lot of things that they were looking at to try to

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appease both Morgan County, Salt Lake County, Summit County. Um, so that's why they were thinking kind of up in that area kind of to the west end of it is kind of the the no-go zone and that way it's it's a a little easier to kind of control. So So if they're if they're going to allow that, are they are they going to let people hike in there without trails? So that's basically a they've got So there's no off trail hiking. No off trail hiking. It's kind of like Analopee Island. Like if you wanted to go ride your horses, you could stay on the trails. I found that. Right. But what about in the wilderness area? I mean, there's wilderness area. There's basically off limits like that's that's there. Again, this is just if there's concerns, I will take it back to them. Yeah. Take it back to because

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um when you've got a wilderness area otherwise, we're going to have to start of a fire. Well, and that was one thing I did bring up is like how are we going to mitigate wildfire because how do you get in there to remove all the bad? So, that was something I had to bring up

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um as far as the wildfire. But again, it's kind of a a growing thing and so is I want to bring that here. So if there are concerns um and if I can get that slide deck, I'll email it out to the commission to look at it. Um I would I would recommend everybody to read over the conservation ement so you understand what is allowed, what isn't. Um one of the thing is that right now there's about 35 miles of existing trail and roads um with they can take another I think 60 miles. which is that's 95 miles of trail in a 9,000 acre piece of ground. So, they're probably not even going to hit that's a lot of trail. That's a lot of trail. But it does allow but their thought is

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they're going to work on the 35 and see where that takes. So, anyhow, that's all I had was my That's my concern. So, if you have concerns on that, I'll try to get that slide deck and email to the commission if there's I can't believe you have a concern on a trail. Huh. Well, the thing the thing I look at it with with that is is I mean this is supposed to be a public conservation easement and yet they don't want people on it. That sounds to me like it's private. It's not on a portion of it is where they're You could go to their meeting as a public. Uh yeah, you go well if I knew about when they were I might

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they post it on their website. Just go to the Summit County website and you can get the meeting times and then go as a fellow commissioner. Von, would you please just let me know when it is? That'd be a lot easier. I had to put them on so I don't forget. Is that all you had? That's all I had. Back to you, Commissioner.

2:06:54 – 2:07:390

Um, just brief update on the fairgrounds improvements. Those have been moving forward. The uh new announcers booth is really nice looking. It's It's basically done. Stairway up to it. It's It's great. It's going to be really really nice. Um so, a lot of good things happening there. This mild winter has provided our public works department with extra time to do a lot of projects, which has been great. They've been able to do crack sealing. Um we've spent next to nothing on salt. Um I mean, other than to put our initial store in place, but we haven't had to spend a lot there. So, that's been good, too. I think that'll help us for next year. So, there is some silver lining to not having a lot of snow this year.

2:07:38 – 2:08:200

That's all I have. Okay. Yeah, just a few items. Um, the East Canyon plan divulging. They're going to divulge it to us tomorrow. Um, I don't know if you're going to be there or not, Von. Are you? I didn't get an email on that. Okay. What time is it? 3:00 I think you did because you even you got an email and answered back to me. Yeah, you did. It's tomorrow at said he won't be there till 3. I won't be actually you won't be there. It'll be 1:30. It's 1:30 to 4. 1:30 to 4. I don't know.

2:08:16 – 2:09:120

Yeah. The DNR building. Um so they're going to we'll have the representative tiara. uh she'll be there and uh DNR state parks everybody will be there for that and see if it meets our vision. Is there anything you want me to mention as in this meeting to make sure that is accomplished or not accomplished because after that it goes to the final plan I mean the final to whoever it is that is going to be making it official. If they could just hurry up, that would be great because I can't finish our Nika grant until they get those things done. And if we don't have the NIKA grant portion done, I think by June one, we forfeit the grant.

2:09:09 – 2:09:540

And that's $60,000. Okay. Okay. And out for bid and all that stuff. Okay. Um, and then I had some other concerns um, still and I know Mike and a few others have discussed it with me, but I need to learn um, and that is is breaking up of parcels. Why can't and Debbie has mentioned it too and Mike you mentioned it to me too, but why is it is it a state code that says that a p a person that just wants to go and separate out a piece of ground like this one tonight? uh that they can't go and do it without making a subdivision.

2:09:56 – 2:10:230

First off, the one tonight was a reszone, so that have nothing to do with separating parcels. There are some ways you can separate parcels. Um, but generally speaking, I mean, you can do lot line adjustments and there's there's certain ways you can do that, but generally speaking, if you're going to create another parcel that that has entitlements to it. So, if you create, say, two parcels now that both could be built on, right,

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then you have to go through the subdivision process. Now, there are some caveats to that. The state has a subdivision process. If you if you have a 100 contiguous acres, you can separate off one parcel from that of one acre going through a state process, which is a little different than the county process. It's a little faster and less expensive. The intent of that was so that a farmer could essentially give a piece of ground to a a child to build a house, right? That was kind of the intent of that. But you can only use that one time on your 100 acre piece. Outside of that though, everything requires a a subdivision essentially if it's going to have entitlements and you're going to separate it out.

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So if you want to like you were saying the farmer but not with 100 acres, they've got smaller acreage. They want to just separate out the old house and they're going to have to go through the subdivision process, right? That's the way the code is written. Is it our code or is it a state code? That's a question for Josh. Our code is is part of it, but state state code governs it as well. Yeah. It's Yeah. So there's a state, they call it ludma, and then county is just kudma. And so when you hear it, it's led or kudma. It's state versus county. The land use management and development act. Okay.

2:11:44 – 2:12:140

So there's processes to both. Um sometimes the state code will supersede uh county code. We had that with the residential treatment center in Utah fair housing where it says if you have a provision of the code that is inconsistent with this this supersedes but then there's also codes that say this is what we do but the county may adopt its own ordinances that we do with fire. Yeah. Exactly.

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All right. And and we have two different subdivision ordinances. We have the small subdivision which this is 10 lots or less or we have large subdivision. and they have different requirements, different costs. But I mean, could we have a a code that would allow you to separate in situations like that? You know, one home off or something? I'm sure we could work something out for two lot subdivisions or something. That's a whole different ballgame. You'd have to write up the code for it. Okay. I mean, but we already kind of have that. We do flag lots. That's that's a form of that. Okay. Yeah. When we do a flag lot though, it's not separated out, is it? Is it? No, they're separate laws.

2:12:50 – 2:13:320

It is if you accessory dwelling unit is not separated out, but flag law is. And so, yeah, I I think that I think the commission has done a good job in allowing families that live here to have other opportunities for their kids with the Flag Law and the detach accessory drilling units, which, you know, in those areas where they're allowed, I mean, it can it could double the size of the county technically, but I think it's just a but but it's not going to be the development in the same way with the detached because you can't sell that separately. It's one parcel. So, so or one lot.

2:13:30 – 2:14:140

So, that was the next question was the detached accessory dwelling unit. And I know we've had discussions amongst us once or twice um on individual basis where we're and we did not build the code according to what's happening and that is that somebody can go and make their existing home the secondary or detached accessory dwelling unit and they build a bigger home. So, can we I mean, we got to do something with that law if we if we do because people are getting upset. So, you could direct staff to come back with the text amendment. Oh, so you've already done that. So, that's in process.

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Okay. If it's in process, fine. I don't remember that. That's quite a while ago. Okay. And when are we going to hear on modifications?

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Okay. Um I I also went to a another uh workshop. Uh it was put on by the tourism industry uh tourism department and basically there is a uh um anyway they're teaching us a little bit about AI and what we can do with it legally and how we can build things for our tourism or economic development areas based upon AI. Problem is is I'm so dumb. I don't understand it. And so the first day of the meetings, it was way over my head. Second day, I had an individual tutor that taught me. And it's very interesting. And uh so some of the things I think we can help with even the farmers or um land owners that would like to be even do some of these things for their agriculture or their aggra business or an aggra business um people are wanting that kind of stuff um on this computer because I couldn't use that computer but anyway um one of The things I gathered from that was also people from the city are really wanting to be able to come to farms and visit them. And that's one of the things why I'd like to go to the canab workshop is because there going to be talking about liabilities. And so with that, I'll get some liability information and to be able to bring it back for different farmers. So, if there's any of the farmers out there that you know or land owners that want to allow people to um maybe get in on the aggra business portion of tourism where they can also make some money and they can also uh do it for free if they

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want. And uh but I had many people come up and say they'd like to pet a cow. So luckily my my nephew has made friends with the cows and he's done that. So anyway, those are things that are available if people are interested. So that's all I have for now. Okay. I do need to go into close session on um acquisition or disposition of property. Mr. Chair, I move that we go into close session for the acquisition disposition of real properties. Okay. Can I make a couple comments before we go into that? I didn't call on myself yet. Call them yourself.

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I just I It's real simple, but just just so the public knows. Um WHS I I actually quite enjoy my meetings there. I'm sure Commissioner Blocker does as well. Um just a shout out to them. They they are such an organized, well-run group of people and it's awesome to have them be associated with them up here. I think they do us a great service and I think the money we spend with them is well worth it. As far as the other meeting, WMLHs, just pray we never have local homeless problems here. I'm telling you, that's I sit and listen to that meeting and it just depresses me. But but it's a really hard hard thing. But fortunately, we don't have that up here

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yet. Yeah. But they they do work hard on it on the other side of the mountain. Okay. Uh, you made a motion. Commissioner Nickerson made a motion to go into close session. I'll second the motion. And Commissioner Newton seconded it. All in favor? I I

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