County Commission - Regular Meeting

[clears throat] Breathe. Rub your pull your ears. Okay, it's 4:00. Let's uh get moving. Nobody listens to me. Okay. So, Matt is running about 15 minutes late. He said to go ahead and get started without him. So, it's uh like to welcome everybody to our February 3rd 4:00 work session. Um so, we can get started with the Northern Utah Economic Alliance and Inland Port Authority. So, I'm hoping that's you guys.

Come on. Um I guess we don't have a mic up here, so we'll have you maybe up here to the podium. Or you can bring the mic over just so we can that way we can hear what you're saying. What's that? No, you can't. The AI won't pick you up. If you could talk up there instead of sitting down there, my video won't pick you up if you just I guess up there. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm your clicker. Okay. just

Well, thank you uh for having us. Uh we appreciate coming up and sharing a little bit about what we've been doing in Northern Utah. So, I am the president of the Northern Utah Economic Alliance. We're a public private partnership. We have been engaged by Davis County, Weaver County principally, and also the state of Utah uh funds our operation. So, we're a private nonprofit corporation that engages with both the counties, both Davis and Weaver. And uh we have a pretty simple mission. It's to create highquality jobs, principally in office and industrial growth. We don't play a m we don't play much on the retail side unless cities or counties ask us to help them with that recruitment uh in that nature. So um I have on the screen here and I guess uh Kate you're going to run through those. Um I have lots of slides. I plan to go over these fairly quickly. Um we can kind of come back and answer questions. I want I want to make sure I leave enough time uh for Stephanie PAC who's here representing the Utah Inland Port. We work together on a lot of projects and so uh we want to make sure that we save enough time for that. So again, Davis Weaver is kind of our principal marketplace and supported by the the governor. So Kate, we'll just kind of whip through here. I I won't I won't want to mention too much other here than that we operate as a nonprofit corporation. and our offices are in Farmington, Utah. And uh we have we we we go on three-year running contracts with the counties and we're in the ongoing budget with the governor's office of economic development. Um this is just a look at who our board

of trustees is. Commissioner Blocker attended a couple of our uh board meetings. We meet quarterly. Um so you'll see it's kind of a public private mix. It's co-chared by the two commissioners Stevenson Davis County Commissioner Froer Weber County and then we have a mix of both public and private. We have state legislators. We have private business leaders. We have the two biggest cities uh between Davis and Weaver represented between Dav uh late Leighton and uh Ogden City and then kind of a mix of the rest of what you see there. Um, from a marketing perspective, I just list these real quick to show you. Uh, this is a list of different office or industrial areas in Davis ora that we're working on that are what we kind of call jobs, potential job centers. So, for example, some of those might be a green field site, some of those might already be underway, um, and everything else in between. So there's a lot of different. So for example, the Centerville Still works build uh is almost built out. They have about 250,000 square feet of industrial space there. So our our principle, why are we doing this? Well, we have a lot of out migration between Davis and Weber County, principally to Salt Lake County. That's been sort of going on for 20 years, 30 years. And we suspect that we'll always have some out migration to Salt Lake City. They're the capital city and there's a lot happening there. But I think as the Wasatch Front gets built out, uh, we want to create job centers a little closer to home for people. Um, so if you live in Ogden, you probably don't want to work in Draper. If you live in Leighton, you probably don't want to work in, you know, Utah County or South Salt Lake County or maybe even Salt Lake City as [snorts] as I-15 gets a little more crowded. All those places represent

different job centers that might create places for people to go to work. Um, we work a lot with national site selectors, brokers, other people that are bringing projects to Northern Utah. Those are new projects. And we also work with existing companies on what we kind of call expansion retention efforts. So if you're a local company and you have 10 or 20 people, maybe you need new space. Um maybe you maybe you need to hire some new people. So we we house a lot of data and keep a lot of uh information available for companies. Um again these are just some national groups that we work with uh that represent a lot of times when companies are looking for say for example oh we we're an east coast company we want a location out in the western United States somewhere we don't know where they'll hire site selectors they'll call the state or regional groups like ours and say hey we need 50 acres we need 20 acres for a new industrial project can you help us collect all the data so we can make a site selection decision. Again, just kind of more a little bit more about uh our connection with the national site selection community. Uh a little more advertising that we do nationally with groups. Skip through that. So the re the research that we provide um is interesting that uh we create an annual labor profile. We create an annual advanced manufacturing and aerospace profile. We keep a real estate database of uh potential commercial sites that might be an option in Davis or Weaver County. So, if somebody comes and says, "Hey, we need five acres or 500 acres or whatever it might be," we'd go to our database and say, "Here's some potential places for

you to do either industrial uh or or office." And then of course when companies come and they look they want something done specifically for them. So for example like that labor ring analysis would be for a specific site and we would say hey within 30 minutes or 40 minutes here's the labor pool that could be available uh to you. So um again these are just the covers of some of those uh some of that data that that we keep. Um, we we kind of look at, you know, we we when we look at northern Utah too, a lot of times companies that look here, they want to cover, you know, Davis and Weaver is sort of that core labor market, but they might be interested in Morgan County, they might be interested in Boxelder County, maybe even further up, you know, to the Idaho border. We're kind of all part of the same kind of economic region up here. Um, I know that you guys up here don't have as many. You know, your population is smaller. You have fewer sites, but um, we certainly welcome you guys participating with our group as again, Commissioner Blocker has been I don't know, Commissioner Facel, did you come I think maybe a year or so ago to one of our meetings as well? So, um, you guys know a little bit about us. I want to kind of stop there for a second if there's any questions about kind of who we are, what we do. Um, Commissioner Blacker, I know you've been to the last couple of meetings that we've had. any questions about kind of how we conduct our business or

I really like the last meeting with the updates from President Bush, Durham and Tagert from the two tech colleges and Weber State and how it all collaborates together, how these three colleges are working together to create laborers for all these businesses that are coming in. And I didn't realize how much they were intertwined. And um you have these businesses looking at Utah and then they look at okay what's the educated population? How many people can do this job? And right here they're producing so many educated individuals which includes Morgan County because a lot of our students take part in weaver.

Yeah. The two the two tech colleges and Weaver State uh combined. And the nice thing is you saw in that presentation commissioner that they're all pretty tightly aligned with each other, which is what companies want to see when they're coming up and taking a look at our area. Um, if they have to have certifications for plumbers or electricians or forklift drivers or, you know, whatever it may be, they can work with the tech colleges or Weaver State and figure out how they can get a flow of I mean, we have a low unemployment rate. Um, but if you have a competitive compensation package, you can still hire people. And particularly with our out migration, I kind people don't really think about that, but when we're out migrating between Davis and Weaver, maybe probably a little over Morgan to Salt Lake City for work, um, you're talking about 50,000 people every day that make that move. So if we can find them a comparable job somewhere in northern Utah, I think over the next 10 or 20 years that that's going to mean that's going to mean a lot. So as we see different pockets of where, you know, that might happen. But yeah, the academic groups are a big part of our so they're all on our board and they're a big part of what we do when companies come here. There's a there's a labor component, there's a real estate component. Stephanie will talk a little bit about some of the infrastructure that's required to get these sites up and running. That's why the inland port is also such a key part of what we do. And then of course the cities and counties all play a role in that too. I mean you guys all have master plans. You all know what you want, what you don't want to see in your cities and communities. And everybody's a little bit different. And so that that's okay. We we try to work around that. So if we have a particular project that doesn't fit the nature of what you want to do, well then we don't, you know, we wouldn't share that site. We would only

share that if we thought that was something that you all would want to look at. So Moring County is so unique because it's 98% privately owned. Do you work a lot with private land owners?

Yes. As a matter of fact, most of the most of the ground is private. So, when when Stephanie talks about her project, that's all private uh privately owned land. Uh it's zoned industrial, luckily for us, but like up here, you're going to have lots of property that's been in families for generations, right? And so, they may or may not be willing to sell or do certain things with it. The county may have a master plan where you want to do something or you don't want to do something whether it's mixeduse development, housing, office, industrial or [clears throat] retail or whatever it might be. So yes, we we work obviously if it's private land, we have to work with the land owner, right? I mean, I we can sort of talk all day about wanting to do something, but if the private land owners don't want to participate or either sell their ground or partner with the developer, then, you know, it's not going to work. And if the county doesn't have that in their master plan for something they want to do, companies are probably just going to go elsewhere. They don't want I mean, they want to join with you. They don't want to come and fight with the city or county about, hey, we really want to come here. if they see that the city or county doesn't have that as part of their master plan, there's there's other places for companies to go. And even on the Wasatch front, you know, if they find that we don't have something that fits, um, they're going to look elsewhere in Utah or maybe elsewhere in the western United States for a site that might work for them.

It's actually really good timing. We're redoing our master plan right now. We're also planning Mountain Greens Town Center. Yes. which is 35% commercial. So, we will be looking for a lot of businesses and retail to come in.

So, [snorts] as I thought about coming up meeting with you, and you guys do have a unique county. I mean, you're very different than say Davis or Weber County. I mean, what what would I want to see if I were a resident here or if I were on the county commission? What I would do, say with like a group like ours, is you don't have to use us, but you could if you wanted to. I would want to come in and do an inventory of all the real estate in the county, public or private, it's probably mostly private, and see where there might be potential commercial opportunities where whether it's mixed use or some of them are kind of a combination. Like we there was some property we worked up with a developer in Farmington where part of it will be housing, part of it will be an office development. So they kind of combine that together. But as I thought about that, I would I would at least want to see where all my real estate assets are in the county and then look at your overall master plan. What do you guys how do you guys see that over the next 5, 10, 20 years building out? Maybe some of that's still greenfield site in 20 years and maybe, you know, the land owners want to keep farming that property or what have you. But there may be some places that, you know, [clears throat] whether it's around the new mountain green interchange, maybe it's over where the airport is, maybe it's where some of these commercial business areas are, you know, off your main Morgan exit that you would want to master plan. But that that would be something that I would probably want to see. we could help help you do that. We keep a we keep a real estate database. We I think we have now about 250 sites that we've identified in Davis and Weaver County. They will not all be developed commercially, but they have if they have a potential to be developed, we at least want to put them in our radar, start to figure out what the land owners want to do, start to figure out

what the cities and counties are master plan for so that when we get a call, we can at least say, "Hey, this is a site that might be a possibility or this one's, you know, quite not shovel ready yet. There's not infrastructure there or the land owners aren't quite ready to sell, etc." But at least we've kind of got an open database of what that looks like in those two counties. And that's what I would recommend for Morgan is at least you at least know what the lay of the land is. You know where the you know where the parcels are. You know who the owners are. And then that kind of shapes what you guys will all do with your with your county master plan. So any any other questions around that?

Yeah. You mentioned infrastructure. Um, can you maybe give us an idea of what most entities are looking for? Is it shovel ready type of a situation? What type of infrastructure do they typically need for projects that you're working on?

I mean, it depends on how big the project is. If it's a if it's a really big project, they might say, "Hey, we'll build the infrastructure with you." Say for example, when Proctor and Gamble went to Box Elgreer County, when they're building that big of an industrial building, they didn't have the water sewer uh power, but they sort of built that out with the city and the county. If you're talking about smaller projects, maybe they're 30, 40, 50,000 square foot industrial flex buildings or something like that, they won't need, they'll probably just tie into existing infrastructure. uh you know that that might be available, but they've all got a timeline. Some of them have a timeline of if it's a really big bill to suit, they might have a couple years to sort of plan that with the city county. If it's a smaller project, they want to go into maybe an existing industrial park or a building that's already being planned and that they know that they can go in and lease space. We got to find out, do you want to lease this space or do you want to own it? So that will kind of affect too kind of when and where they go. Most of what we do right now is industrial jobs, manufacturing, advanced manufacturing, aerospace and defense, that sort of thing. The office market's still pretty flat since COVID. As you can imagine, there's not a lot of people building office. It's very expensive to build office. So the lease rates are really high even if we built it. But the industrial rates are okay. So there's about 60 million square feet between Davis and Weaver and the Northern Utah area and we're very very low vacancy rate. So you'll see pockets of spec development for different like the Centerville place I was telling you most of that new product there was all spec development by the developer and then companies could see those buildings coming up and they said oh maybe that's a good place for us to expand into. Um,

and so you'll see you'll see it. It just depends on a lot of that. But, uh, Stephanie will talk a little bit about that when she's talking about the port. That's a lot of what they do for these bigger sites like the one we have in West Weber that she's representing. So, I won't kind of steal her thunder. I'll let her talk about that. Any um, anything else? Just one more followup on that. Sorry. Um, yeah. What do you typically see as like the minimum size for an industrial project? And and I guess the reason I'm asking that is we currently don't have very much ground within the county that's zoned industrial. Very very little in fact. And most of it that is zoned that way is already built out or in the process of building out. So just want to kind of understand

Yeah. If if we were to engage with you, what what size and scope of projects would you typically say, hey, this is, you know, if we had an acre or two acres of land, are you going to say that's not going to do it right? we need hundreds or what what does that look like? No, I mean you can do you you can have a small industrial development on five or 10 acres of property. Okay.

Um and I think what you'll find out too over time is that when you guys master plan, you have a lot of private ground. Uh maybe a lot of that's not ready for development. Maybe you've got some transitions with families and generational property that might consider working with a developer for some type of commercial use. So, I would I would encourage you just to kind of stay open to that process. Um I I mean obviously Morgan's not going to have the same sort of landscape that you know you'd see in Davis or Weaver County, but over time you might see a handful of companies that would really want to be up here. I mean this is a really terrific valley and they know that they can attract not just the workers within your county but they would attract a lot of people from Davis and Weber to come up here as well. It's not that, you know, I mean, if you're within a 30 40 minute commute, 30 minutes, that would be considered, you know, well within reason of somebody wanting to come, you know, to work in your in your area. But, um, so I would I would kind of keep a lot of those parcels that might still be in private hands at least on the radar. And then, um, now that that's just kind of on the industrial side. You might have some other mixeduse things. You might have some housing components that all fit in with other commercial use too over time. I mean, they kind of start to blend together. I know that a lot of the communities that we deal with, you know, 10 years ago would say, "Hey, we're not going to do any highdensity housing in our community." You know, we just don't do that. And now I think everybody is saying, "Yeah, we, you know, we've got to take a turn with that." And everybody can't have one acre, halfacre lots. And so we're seeing a little bit of a transition. I know you guys probably don't see quite as much of that up here because you still have

absolutely way more open space than a lot of the cities, you know, on the on directly on the Wasatch front,

but it'll it'll start to kind of I'm sure come your way if you haven't already seen seen that. So, I I see I saw some of the new developments just driving in here this afternoon. So, um but yeah, there's there's Michael. There's a lot of different shapes and sizes for office, even office and industrial. You might even see some twostory smaller office, whether it's medical plaza type stuff or other small office stuff that that's the kind of stuff that I think we'll still see continue to pop up. And that might be appealing up here, too. Might even just be a [snorts] medical or dental plaza uh that is kind of a nice amenity to have up here o over time. So all all of that stuff is fair game. And then I think you know retail is a little bit a different animal. Again we don't we don't do that directly but we can kind of put you in touch with if you're trying to recruit certain types of retail for certain parts of your cities you know city and county you know we can we can at least offer some data on that too. So do you um also within that you're talking about retail do you help us by having you know if somebody comes to you guys to ask about the economic you know viability of having restaurants or hotels or whatever in an area you

I mean we we have we have developers that call us and say hey we we're considering a hotel in this region. Um there are certain say commercial brokers that all they do is represent retail development. All they do is represent the Costos and the Trader Joe's and and you know the Olive Gardens of the world and they try to place them anywhere say in the western United States or the country for that matter. So, they're kind of all sort of making inquiries into where do communities want to have that kind of retail and hotels fit into that category, too. So, in the event that we have those people connect with us, if there's something that you're interested in, well, then we would either steer them your way or steer them not your way to another community that that that might have that interest. Um, I don't know. I don't want to. Uh, that's just part of our commercial real estate database. That's Stephanie will talk about all the infrastructure out there. Um, that's a that's a labor ring analysis that we would do for a certain site. Um, again, local expansion retention, just working with existing companies that are already here. I would keep going. Um that's a that's an existing business outreach campaign. These are some of the people that obviously that we partner with. You'll see on there all the not [clears throat] just the the government groups, but all the other like you know 47G is the aerospace association and people like that. So everybody I mean we're just Utah is still a small state. So we want to make sure that we all work together and partner together. I'll let Stephanie jump into that. Keep keep I think there's maybe just one more

[snorts]

uh slide or two. I'm gonna at the very end. Keep keep going. Yeah. I just want to show you that one. Um that's just kind of a list of companies that have expanded in our region over the last four or five years. So some of those are small, some of those are, you know, are bigger. Um we've worked with projects where people are going to employ 20 people. So, we don't we don't have any particular uh some of those are really big like Northrup coming here and being a big partner up at Hill Air Force Base. They're going to employ several thousand people, but we also deal with small vendors that need 20, 30, 40, 50 people. So, we we sometimes it's, you know, more interesting and fun to work with the small with the small groups as well. But, I just wanted to say we're we're available to be a resource to you. Uh, Commissioner Blocker, I don't know what conversations you've had with both Commissioner Stevenson and Commissioner Froer, but I think I won't speak for them directly, but I will indirectly that I think initially uh if you wanted to come and be a formal part of our group, we weren't looking for any financial contributions. We just wanted you to come be a part of our team, be a part of our network. And after a year or two of that, you know, you could determine if there was something that made sense. But there there, you know, we're not here you know, asking you to get your checkbook out. We just want we we'd like you to be a part of our team and just see what we do. Um, we can help with the real estate database and other things like that out of the gate with your master planning if you'd like. Um, and our services would be all free of charge. So, we'll just kind of let [clears throat] let you sort of noodle on that and then I'm gonna

Okay. I'm gonna ask you one more question. Yeah, sure. Um, since I began working with you in 2021, um, I mean, you say that we're not going to be charged anything for the first couple years. Now, back then it was a lot. Then it went down lower, then it went down lower. So, we're just going to try it for a couple of years and see how we do and then you might decide to if it's a benefit then we can

I think what we did before is you guys were having a transition on I think you had a contract with a private group and what you were doing with staff so we you know I think at your request we we did something based on your population so you know compared to say Davis and Weber County. So I don't I don't recall what that amount was. We can go back and revisit that. But we didn't want to come back and say, "Hey, we're, you know, we we can sustain our operation without, you know, adding more more staff or money to the mix. At this point, um, I can tell you I don't think it would be significant even if it was out two or three years. But if you wanted to look at that so that that you know was something that was in part of the 3 to 5year plan, I'm sure that Commissioner Stevenson and Commissioner Furer would be happy to kind of look at more detail there. But we didn't want to come to you initially and say, you know, this is something where we're looking for, you know, any kind of financial contribution. So, but we we would just sort of

I'm not sure how you guys are staffed now for economic development, whether you're still [laughter] um We're not. [clears throat] We're not. It's called

And that's okay. I know that like in communities like yours sometimes people wear multiple hats and they do lots of different things. For example, most if outside the really big cities, most of the cities in Davidson County, Davis and Weaver County do not have full-time economic developers. So, we kind of come in and help them. They don't contribute either. They let the kind of the two counties sort of pay the freight for say West Point City and West Haven City and Pleasant View and places like that. They don't have full-time economic developers even though they're, you know, a little bigger cities maybe even than what you guys represent, but we just kind of go in and help them on behalf of, you know, Davis, Davis, and Weaver.

Thank you. I'll end with that. If there's any other questions after Stephanie goes, we'll we'll stick around. Thanks for your time. [clears throat]

All right. It's really, really great working with Chris and the Northern Utah Economic Association. Uh they do incredible work for the communities that they work for. Um I I know as they partner with Morgan County, they're going to do that same incredible work here. Um, similarly with the Utah inland port, we want to have our tools be led by the community. And so at the end of the day and and the biggest thing that I want you to take away from my presentation is that this is a tool that you can leverage for your economic growth. And uh that's that's what we want it to be leveraged for. So, the Utah Inland Port Authority was created in 2018, and the original creation was designed to be a traditional inland port. Uh, a traditional inland port looks a lot like a a deep sea port that you'd see on the coasts. Uh, it's a largely logistics facility that facilitates the movement of goods via different modes of transportation. Um, an inland port functions the same. The legislature created the Utah and Limpport to create facilities just like that in Salt Lake City. Um, our market is small enough that the private sector and the facilities that the private sector manages service our our region sufficiently that we don't need a government entity to be, you know, creating, maintaining, owning those types of facilities. So, um, we anticipate that that will change in the future. um we're positioned and and poised and have the legislative tools to be able to serve that need when it comes. Until then, what do we do? And that uh really came to bear as our uh new executive director, Ben Hart, he started about 3 years ago. Uh and we saw the tools that the legislature gave to

our organization and saw an opportunity for us to work on regional economic development. And so, uh, the the functions that we serve across the state, uh, look a little differently than how it was envisioned when we were created, but still we're we're driving value in communities across Utah. Um, primarily in rural Utah to help with economic growth. So, how does a port project area work? We first start with a request from the local legislative body. And so, um, be that a a city council, a county commission, um, the the legislative body creates a resolution inviting the inland board in. That's an important and key component. Um, we had to learn that the hard way. Uh, when the legislature unilaterally created a project area in Salt Lake City. Um, the the the city didn't love that. um we had to work really really hard on rebuilding that relationship with the city to help them realize that that you know the project area is a tool that they can leverage for economic growth. So um we reverse that path. The legislative body takes that first step inviting the project area to to come in. Um we're similar to an RDA or a CRA. There's an important difference in a Utah and Limpport Authority project area and an RDA or a CRA and that difference is we do not require a um interlocal agreement with all of the taxing entities. When a project area is created, it is driven by the legislative body, the land use authority um in this case Morgan County. Um and the different um the creation of that is a flat 7525% split. I'll talk a little bit about this uh later in the um meeting, but it's important for you to know that that's a a important

difference. It helps us be a little more agile than the creation of an RDA or a CRA is. Um in that, you know, we can create it a lot faster. we don't have to worry about negotiations since that since that percentage is is already predetermined in our statute. Um we we can go into the the specifics but um in the interest of time we'll we'll move forward. Um if you go to this slide this shows the areas that we're already partnering with communities. These are our project areas that we've currently created. Uh we are going to create a project area in the Uenta basin here next month and um the the creation process is a two meeting process um after the local legislative body uh creates a resolution to invite the the Utah [clears throat] inland port in. We work with them on identifying a boundary for the area in question. Um usually we focus on industrial development and uh once we've determined the boundaries of the project area we then take it to a two meeting cycle in our board. Um and these are the areas that we've currently established. Um so if you go to the next one um we've kind of broken out the state by uh region and I'll have you go to the next slide. Um I manage our northern Utah project areas. Uh there are currently four in existence uh Boxeler County, Weber County and two in Tilla County that I manage. And then um I have counterparts in other parts of the state that uh focus on um those other counties. Go ahead to the next slide. Um really what we can do with the uh tax increment that we generate is we can uh create uh we can finance infrastructure

projects to these areas. Uh these areas are best served in green field developments that are uh in hyperrowth mode that are going to be growing um but don't have a lot of infrastructure to them today. That's really where our tool is best leveraged. And so, um, we, uh, facilitate the ability to finance the infrastructure build out up front and then let the growth pay for that initial influx of capital over time. Um, we have some other financing tools including an infrastructure bank that the legislature funds. It's a revolving bank loan uh that can be utilized to get lowcost financing for these types of projects. Um and uh we also can create an incentive program if you want to directly incentivize specific companies to come into your community. And so uh there's a couple of uh cool things that we can do with our tool. If you go on to the next slide, uh these are the tools that we do not have. Uh we don't have land use authority that still is maintained with the local land use authority be it the city or the county. Um we can't permit these areas. We don't zone these areas. All of that is uh still in the authority of the local legislative body to determine and uh we don't have the ability to move tax differential outside of a project area. So any tax differential that's generated here in Morgan County stays in Morgan County in this example. Um, but we also can't take any differential generated in Salt Lake County and bring it over here. So, um, just wanted to make that clear. Uh, these really only work with the collaboration of the community. Uh, since you know what you want, you know what you don't want. Um, that we follow the plan of the community in terms of what your zoning says, what your

permitting allows. Um, we don't go beyond that. Uh however these financing tools can accelerate the growth of these areas especially without that financial piece inhibiting that growth. Go ahead to the next slide. Um this is just a the statutory alignment that we have with all of our project areas. Uh you we we are going to use this money for public benefit. Um, we're going to use it to create public infrastructure that's going to benefit not just a single company, a single user, it's going to benefit the community. Um, go ahead to the next slide. Um, this is the most important slide that I wanted to bring up. This is how this financial tool works. Uh, we we take a a green field development largely uh areas that aren't generating a lot of tax revenue today. uh they don't have you know buildings there, they don't have infrastructure to them. Um they are zoned for development and and prime for development. There's a demand there. So we identify these locations and we freeze the existing tax base. So the taxes that you're getting from these areas today will continue to flow to you to the other taxing entities. Uh any new taxes that new tax revenues that are generated in that area, we set aside we set aside for this development. 25% of that increase of that new tax revenue will go to the existing taxing entities. Um those are funds that you can put in your general fund to provide services uh to continue to help uh support uh these areas as needed. uh the remainder of that tax differential at least for the term of the project area which we have a statutory life of 25 years um 75% of that is available to us to put towards the development and growth of this area.

The the inland port we capture 5% for an admin fee for the uh admin of these project areas. um that remaining differential we can put to work in building infrastructure um incentivizing companies to come um creating value in these communities and then once that 25 years has ended um we close the project area and all of that new taxing revenue continues to flow to the taxing entities. So, the purpose of this model really is to generate more revenue for the community. Um, and we just defer some of those revenues on the onset to build it and once it's built, we can close it and all of that tax revenue continues to flow.

I have a question on the 25 years. So, unlike CRAAS and RDAs, we're able to renew or do a secondary project within the area at the same time. Is this legislatively restricted? So, we can extend the life of a project area up to 40 years. Okay. So, it's the same.

It's the same. So, um and in an instance where we get to that 25 years and there's still debt um in in crude on that, you know, a a project area or we've uh issued a bond that hasn't been paid off yet, we would extend the life of the project area until that's paid off. Um but similarly in an instance where you know we we issue some bonds, we acrew some debt um you know that increment comes in, we use it to pay off all of that debt and we get that debt paid off soon uh sooner than that 25 years um and all of that debt obligation is covered. Uh the county at that point will have the opportunity to terminate the project area early and all of that revenue continues to flow to the to the taxing entity. So, as long as that debt service is paid, um we're we're in good shape. If it's if it's served the purpose of what it was created for, uh we can terminate it early.

So, it look like based on the project list you showed us earlier, the smallest one is around 200 acres up to 50,000 acres, right? Or 42,000 acres. What's the the minimum size of acreage you would need for any type of a project like this?

Uh we we don't have a minimum requirement. Uh there's uh a there's a few uh benefits to our statute that I think help uh make it pretty flexible and help make it pretty agile. Uh we we don't need landowner consent. I mean when you're looking at economic development, it's best if you have a willing land owner that's, you know, ready to develop their property. Um, and our our most successful project areas are are just that you where you have a I think with very very few exceptions, all of that acreage within our project area boundaries are privatelyowned land. And so we work really really closely with the private land owners um and the developers within our project areas to make them successful. Um, but it also is a really close partnership with the community who's doing the planning and the zoning of each of these areas. Um, in some of our more rural communities, we do have um mixeduse developments within our project area boundaries. We're not restricted to just doing industrial. Um, I I think that's our strength. I think that's really where our uh the rubber hits the road with our tools specifically. Uh but we have project areas in in um really those smaller communities that have mixed use opportunities. Um there's communities like Wayne County or Sevir County where they have small enough populations that an yeah an industrial park is great but if you don't have workforce housing it makes it really really tough to recruit uh those types of businesses there. So they've incorporated housing uh into their project areas. So that's that's something we can consider especially if there's a a lot of uh development that requires a huge infrastructure lift. Um

we can utilize the tool to recruit some industrial development. that revenue is generating the bulk of that value and we can use it to build infrastructure that's going to benefit not just that industrial development but it's also going to benefit a neighboring residential community or a neighboring retail center right and so I think that's something we can look at um when it comes to creating a job center um you know it's it's nice to have those amenities but in a community where you know it empties out every day because everyone's leaving the community to go to work. It becomes hard to recruit retail. So, by creating a job center, by bringing in all of those employees during the day, um it facilitates that retail component as well. So, I'm trying to see how you guys work together. So you are creating the infrastructure and you are pretty much filling it with a clientele.

The the way I like to describe it um I used to work at for EDC Utah um and I used to do exactly what Chris does which is corporate recruitment. I like to think that at that job I was on the sales side of things but with the Utah Port Authority I'm on the product development side of things. So, I'm helping to work with you on building the types of developments that Chris can then go out and market. Um, you know, it's it's a lot easier for him to know, hey, we know that there's a development in Morgan County. We know that the land owner is ready and willing. We know that the infrastructure, even if it isn't built, we have a mechanism to getting it in place. Um, it makes it a lot easier for him to to market the community. But you can't approach a land owner owner until the legislative body invites you in.

How does that work?

It it really depends. In some of the project areas that we've created, it's been the other way around where a a developer or a land owner heard about the tool, approached the legislative body and said, "Hey, we need help getting infrastructure to this development. We know that the community wants it. We know that the community needs it. are you willing to partner with us in in putting this tool in place to helping it along? And so, you know, in the instance where the county in this case, um maybe you're partnering with a city here in the county um that has a an industrial development in mind. Um you know, we can then identify wherever we want. We don't necessarily need landowner consent. We create the project area and then we approach those those land owners and say, "Hey, this is a tool that you have access to. You're not on the hook to footing the bill for all of that public infrastructure. We have a mechanism in place to to support that. That being said, these developments work best when the property owner and is is willing to put some skin in the game. Um, the best developments we've seen have had a a huge lift from the landowner side, from the developer side to uh, you know, invest in that development because if they're just coming for public dollars to to hand them over uh, all of that infrastructure, you know, that's really not what the tools for. Uh, it's really to make a good development better.

So, [clears throat] Chris, I need you up there.

The land was already zoned industrial. The county had already master planned it 20 years prior to that. So, that wasn't that made it a little bit easier. You may not have that same situation up here. It may just be probably zoned a or something at the time. But anyway, in the case of West Weaver, we didn't have to go through that. They were already the county already said, "Hey, we want to master plan. That's where industrial inland port came in." And then that allows really what I look at it like it's it's faster, more efficient to get that infrastructure to the site with the port than without it. You can do it without the port, but it's not as efficient. So, companies [clears throat] like to see the efficiency of of the port kind of coming together.

Does it have to be green field? Can it be brownfield?

It can be brownfield. In fact, uh brownfield is a pretty exciting opportunity for us because the cleanup um can often be a hindrance for getting that area ready for development and we can use these dollars to clean up a brownfield development. So, we had three or four years ago, we had representatives from the Inland Port Authority come and do a work session with us. And at the time, we could not identify anything that was more than 10 or 20 acres in size that would be suitable for industrial development within the county. I don't know if you [clears throat] have other places in mind that you think that would be suitable. If so, great. Maybe we can talk about that. But that's why I asked about kind of minimum size is it it seems to me like I'm not sure that there's a lot of industrial opportunity within Morgan County. We're just we're not set up that way. I mean without taking out a lot of agriculture which I think our residents would really be unhappy about. But um I don't know if you've seen anything creative you know elsewhere in the state where they've been able to to you know do some smaller projects that seem to work with small communities. I I again I think it's that that those three legs of the stool that really make it successful. You know, you you have the public entity, you know, interested and willing in in seeing that development happen, willing to sacrifice some of their revenues for a time to make that happen. Um, and then you have a willing land owner and developer that that has the the vision, has the willingness to put, you know, their skin in the game to put up, you know, their their development as collateral to make that happen. And then the third leg of that is, you know, something that that

Chris and I can help work on is identifying a a business partner that's interested in coming in and investing in the community because we we don't have tax increment to play with if we don't have investment. And so we we definitely need that willing partner who who sees the vision, who identifies this community and it and likely it'll be a company that is already located here. Um that's a a big piece of economic development that we tend to forget. You know, most of your growth is going to happen from the businesses that are already here. um you know, we're we're going to be working and on marketing this area to businesses outside of the state um to come in and and invest here. But that's probably my first look is to say, okay, who in the county already needs some more facilities, wants to expand, um who wants to relocate uh to a a an area, that's something we can look at. Um, one thing to consider is, um, we can none of the areas that we identify need to be contiguous. So, if there's small pockets that are non-ontiguous, we can kind of add [clears throat] them as it's appropriate. Um, we can do multi- uh jurisdictional project areas. So working with uh independent cities uh with or municipalities within the county that also have interest in industrial development, we can include them in the project area. Uh we can also amend Morgan County into a larger uh project area um outside of the county. for example, because we don't require [snorts] uh even a a jurisdictional uh uh content, we can amend,

you know, 10 acres here in Morgan County into our project area in Weber County. And any any increment that gets generated here in Morgan County stays in Morgan County. Any increment get get that gets generated in Weber stays in Weber. Um but it it just facilitates the ability for you to you know participate in the project area leverage the tool um and you know it would just be a a a loose partnership with that community in that you know you're you're joining in with their project area boundaries. We have a project area in central Utah that I think covers four counties. So, I was thinking the industrial park in Mountain Green is in shambles, right? I don't know how many acres that is and how many businesses are in there, but

you're talking industrial by the airport. Mhm. Is that industrial, isn't it? Light manufacturing. Light manufacturing. I don't know if we have any ground currently zoned industrial in the county. We have manufacturing and light manufacturing, but I don't know that we have So, does it have to be zoned industrial? Well, and when I say industrial light manufacturing fits into that, sorry if that wasn't clear.

No, that's good. Yeah. So, for example, I don't know if you've seen that light [snorts] manufacturing zone area over there, but it's really old. There's some vacant buildings. There's some that are full. There's Is that an example of something that you come in? Um that one would be a little bit tough since the power of this tool is with is capturing tax growth. Uh and so if there's an existing building um even if we make improvements to that building, the value like the taxable value of that building isn't going to change significantly. Um so it's going to be less potent in an area that's already developed. Um, that being said, if there's going to be significant investment in a place like that, you know, if they need to demolish some buildings so they can build a bigger one or if they want to expand the borders of that industrial area, um, you know, I think that would make more sense. But something to keep in mind um you know with a brownfield development if it's you know if it's undevelopable now because of hazards or things like that that's something we can look at.

Thank you Stephanie. Um feel free to reach out and ask us any questions. Um you know we we'd love to help support. One other thing to keep in mind is um we want to improve the logistical infrastructure on the back end. And so, um, you've got a great asset in your rail line here in the county. And that's something that we want to make sure is utilized and not undervalued. And that would that could be something we can focus on is identifying some areas adjacent to that rail line and and make sure that it's well utilized.

Awesome. I'd just like to say with, you know, what Chris was saying about identifying these properties and using our master plan. I think one of the frustrating things for me is when somebody, you know, they come in, they buy a piece of ground, it's zoned one thing and it's like, oh, we'll just get it reszoned, not a big deal. It's like that is, you know, so I appreciate that you're working with the county. This is the plan of the community. Let's try to build the best we can with what with what's available and not just like we'll just change it. No big deal. real little real kind of strong arm and a little twist twist a little bit. And so that's that was one thing I got that was um appreciated is working with the plan that's been put together by the community. So thank you.

Absolutely. [clears throat] Say in closing too, we just want to be a resource for what you are all working whether you're redoing your master plan or whatever that looks like. If we can be a resource, Michael, if you've got other questions related to what we do, don't do that could be of benefit, you know where to find us. So, thanks for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you guys. Appreciate you coming up. Okay, we'll take a five minute recess and reconvene.

What are we trying to do? I blame [clears throat]

went to Jordan. Egypt. Egypt and Jordan. Uh, I I mean, you're always glad to come over to the United States or not, but

it's cool. Things are cool, but Welcome everyone to our February 3rd, 2026 commission meeting. Appreciate your attendance and appreciate those who are online with us as well. Um, I'm going to give the invocation and lead us in the pledge of allegiance and then we'll go to that point. Our father in heaven, we are grateful to thee for the blessings that we receive at thy hand. We're thankful for this beautiful community in which we get to live. We're grateful, heavenly father, for that which we have received from thee. And we ask a special blessing that we might receive more moisture, more snow in our mountains for this summer. We're grateful for that which we have received, but we pray that we might um have sufficient for the needs of our farmers and and the needs of our county. We're grateful, Father, for all the hard work that is put into this county, for all the employees that do their very best and ask that thou would watch over and bless them and their families. Please bless us that we might um not have serious illnesses here and and that uh people will continue to watch out for each other's needs and and serve one another. We love and appreciate the Father and say these things humbly in Jesus Christ's name. Amen.

Amen. Please stand. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Has everyone had an opportunity to read the through the consent agenda items and any questions that they had taken care of? Okay, I'll look for a motion then. I move that we approve the consent agenda.

I'll second it. Have a motion by Commissioner Ferel and a second by um Commissioner Blocker. I was going to say Newton. I was writing down Newton. [laughter] Are you used to me doing a lot of motion? [laughter] Uh, all all in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Any declarations of conflict of interest?

Okay. Thank you. Okay. We'll turn to our public comment at this time. Anybody that has a public comment to make, please come forward. And there's 3 minutes if you'd keep it to that and state your name and where you're from when you get to the podium. [laughter]

Tina Kelly, Mountain Green. This is about action item number seven. Just a word of caution. And I didn't sit on the cog when this tax was in place, but I did sit on the cog and I felt like it was loaded towards the city and the school district. They never proposed any projects that were good to the county. They always proposed projects that were expensive and it to the good of the city and the school district. And I realize those two entities belong to the county, but also you need to look out for the whole county in its entirety. they actually have money that comes to them through taxes as well as other areas. So just keeping that in mind that that they those that does happen and also you are the actual entity that has the final say. They are an advisory board. You have the final say on those projects. Thank you. So I guess when we when we we can discuss that when we get to that but

my question would be is everything that comes from COG would come to us. Everything's advisory. Okay. Okay. Any other public comments? Okay. Seeing none, we'll move on to our presentations. Okay. Did you Did you want to do this or do you want me to do it? Okay. Okay. Can we have um Cindy? Is she here? Cindy, there you are. Hi, Cindy.

Well, I'm telling you, if somebody's giving out money and they said Cindy, I'd come out. [laughter] We just wanted uh we could have just brought this to you, Cindy, but we we wanted you to come and and present this to you so our uh we did this online and our public understands what we're we're doing. But the the county has set aside $6,000 towards our um food pantry and uh we really really appreciate all that you guys do. I know it's a lot of work and I know you can you can use it and it will go to a good use. So, thank you very much. Thank you for all you do. [applause]

Thank you. Thank you, Mike. The end of October when the government was shutting down, but that's what we're there for. Please don't go hungry. that kind of thing. But if you have anything to donate, we'll take that, too. And from the end of October until the end of December from Morgan County and also Washington Heights Church in South, we were donated over 13,000. Wow. Toilet paper. It's amazing. The community always just steps up and comes to us. So, our shelves are full and beautiful right now. So,

right. Thanks, Morgan is a great community and we have great people here. Speaking of great people, you have a new fire chief. You can come up. Unfortunately, he is related to Todd Christensen. [laughter] That's a plus in my book, by the way. Huge negative.

So, this is Brad Wilks. He's your new fire chief. His first day was last Fridayish officially. Um, but of course we had a a fire a couple weeks back and he boots on ground that and said sitting back and watching that told them more than probably 60 days in an office could. So they're nosy so they'll have questions. That one's a thirsten. So tell us a little bit about yourself, where you where you're living, your family, and just tell us a little bit. Um Brad Wilks. So I live in Leighton, East Late, right behind the water treatment plant.

So um three kids, 4.75 grandkids. [laughter] Um so my career, I started as a builder, got in fire service. I retired from Leighton City as a operations battalion chief in 2023. went to Northford Grumman as a fire inspector to take the low life, get recharged. Was looking a little bit to get back in the business, but I had to be very targeted and I love this valley. Spent a lot of time as a kid. So, super excited to come up here. So, at Leighton City when I hired, there were 12 full-time, 36 volunteer part-time. When I left, there were 83 full-time.

Wow. So, I've been through we were went from one station to four. So, I was telling Kate interview, I know what's coming here and I think I'm pretty well positioned keep us ahead of the wave because it's growing like crazy. Well, welcome. Welcome, welcome. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. And is it tomorrow that you have brunch at the legislature?

Monday. So, I got invited to the fire caucus for to meet with the legislature. So how that they feed your breakfast and you sit down with our area reps and senators. So I'll be attending that and I'll bend their ear. I have no problem being in anybody's ear. Fine. Let them know this stuff that they cram down our throats. If they don't understand sometimes how it affects us, they like to tell us what to do without any money to do it. So we'll look for the best interest of the county for sure. Thank you. Awesome. Good to see you, bro. Appreciate it. Erica, are you sad to be relieved of duty? [laughter]

I do think we ought to recognize Erica though just for her contributions. She spent a couple of months as acting chief and that's not an easy job. So, she was fulfilling really three jobs for a while there. The the fire chief, the EMS department uh head, I guess, chief as well, right? And or deputy chief and emergency manager. So, um, those are three heavy jobs. Thank you, Erica, for doing them. Did they triple your income? [laughter] You weren't here to sign up, so

Yes. Thank you. We do appreciate that. And sometimes those things do go unnoticed, but we do appreciate it. Okay, we'll move to our action items then. F1, Morgan County Historical Society. Discussion. Discussion on preservation tax credit proposal and discussion on request from Morgan County Historical Society that the county establishes historic preservation property tax credit. Jeff Matthews, Morgan Valley Preservation. Mr. Chairman, Commission, city staff. Our uh presenter Justin Ree is unanticipatedly running late and he has his PowerPoint and we would like to request if it's possible to move our item there is

down a little bit. I uh withdraw my request [laughter] for your

Thank you for going in. All right. I see you got I got it.

Got it. Okay. Well, pardon uh my little bit tardiness. You guys are very quick. It's great to see. Well, uh it's an honor to be here and uh present to the commission tonight. Um it's been an honor to work with the preservation society. They were so kind to invite me to to participate on their board and uh work on some great things. Um, I think one of the most important things that we try to work on and that we have done a good job, I think most recently is doing things that have an impact on like actually see action happen. And one of those things we'd like to present tonight that can have a meaningful impact in the community is is proposing this historic preservation tax credit. Um, as you know, Morgan County has a lot of history. Uh, there are buildings that are in the historic district. We have a national historic district. Correct me if I'm wrong on the verbiage there, but there's already been a lot of action to preserve the history of Morgan and we want to continue to do that. So, I'll walk through a few of these things and we have some examples of these uh buildings that we're talking about that would that would fall underneath this particular tax credit. So, um this is just an example of a house that had some historic uh nature to it, but go ahead and go to the next one. So, the main things that we're doing here to keep it very simple, it protects our historic identity. Uh Morgan has a great rich historic identity. We want to keep it that way. Uh it keeps our character of of of Morgan. Uh we've got recent signage up in the be in the entrance to Morgan City that says, you know, historic Morgan City. So, we want to do what we can to keep it that way. And it increases our long-term property stability. we have enough of these buildings and houses that uh we want to take care of and make sure that they stay nice and stable in our in our history here. Um our snapshot on this we have we want to uh request or uh put up to to you that we would have a 20% tax

credit up to $1,250 that would be only available for qualifying historic residences. And this ultimately would just encourage is proper maintenance and restoration of these these houses. Clarifying question. Yes. Residences only.

This would be for residents only. Residences only. And the reason for that there are other programs available for commercial buildings. So while we want to have all of that be historic, we definitely want to uh you know in this particular one target residences. So with that we went through a lot of work to figure out what is a good uh time frame to focus on and what we come up with with a with a significant amount of of properties. It would be anything built uh earlier or on the year of 1945. So 1945 and earlier um that means that they must meet particular maintenance standards um and they must follow our preservation guidelines. And I'll get into who administers that and how we oversee that. So, we go to the next one. Um, oh, we'll get that in a second. But, you know, again, why do we need this? It preserves our heritage and our character, gives us a good identity, um, and, uh, keeps our rural character. If you've been to other rural communities in Utah, you'll see that there's been a good effort along among all the rural communities to try to keep that history. Um, you know, if I'm driving down on my way to Lake Pal and you go through Canab, you can see what they've done there. If you go up to Hebrew City, you can see what they've done there with some historical residences. Cash values a lot lot there. Um it also encourages reinvestment into aging homes. Um homes are getting older obviously and uh those homes that are in that time frame and earlier uh need need additional help and need additional focus on them. Um and then I think another big one here is it supports these neighborhoods and keeps those property values strong and stable. Um, I think these are are fairly intuitive here. We increase the long-term property values, uh, resale values. If any homes that would would fall underneath this or get that uh, um, facelift, so to speak,

they would, uh, see higher tax increases and assessments. Uh, in is as a one of the hats that I wear on tourism, it is one of the appeals of Morgan to have that historic nature. We have a lot of people coming into town that are looking for that uh that type of architecture and that type of of look and it has people uh brought in for that. And then just overall community branding and attractiveness. We want our communities and neighborhoods to look good. Okay. So the cost to to the county in in a tax revenue perspective here. So we're looking at $1,250 per year. Um they must be built on or before 1945. We've gone through the list. Um, uh, Cheryl Gross has done a very good job at identifying there are only around 100 homes that qualify for this in the county. So, this countywide, um, then you must actually apply. So, not all 100 homes would get this tax credit. It would only be ones that apply. And out of those, it' only be the ones that actually meet the criteria and then are and then are ultimately approved by by that group. We we do not anticipate that all 100 or or uh even a high percentage of those will go for this right away. I think uh some people will probably wait to see how well it goes. And we'd love to share the good news of where those who have successes on that promotion and that that tax credit. And we really feel like overall what this is trying to encourage and invite has a very low net cost to the county for what it ultimately would bring back in and in and value and attractiveness and that character that we're looking for. Um 1945 it aligns with that historical architectural period before the post postwar uh construction boom. It's consistent with national and state standards and and we're really really trying to focus on genuine historic

homes, not not modern homes. Yeah. Um the county assessor's office will oversee the eligibility, the verification, and the tax credit application. our historic society and the preservation society will actually go through and do the review uh and the documentation to make sure everyone's compliant and all of those uh applications and and requirements are met and filled. Uh and then every year those groups will have to renew or reapply for that tax credit. So they don't automatically get it in year two if they did it in year one. We want to make sure they continue to to apply for and have to be uh awarded that.

And how do you know that they did $1,200 of fix up? [clears throat] 1250.

How much of that do they have to spend towards keeping their property? So your question is how do we ensure that they actually use the amount that we're giving them back? Well, that would go through what we do with the documentation. And I would, you know, we can we can provide some more uh context on that. But the process that we would go through and review the home for them to apply would be would be done by the historic society and the preservation society. And we would just have to make that that group would be in charge of making that assessment to make sure it's there. We assume that that amount isn't going to cover most of the repairs on a facelift for a house, but if they're willing to put in, we're assuming they're going to put in more money than that, but every little bit would help to encourage that that that upkeep and that facelift.

So, are they able to do both the state one and the county one? Because Utah has the 20% tax credit for historical preservation as well. If I think if they and correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think if they apply for both and are approved for both, they could they could do that. I don't think we're we're not prohibiting them for going after both. And again, the benefit is you get a better looking house and better looking neighborhood if they do. Yes, please do. But you have to come up. Have to do it on mic.

Cheryl Gross, president of Morgan Valley Preservation. Um, this is not u a proposal to help the people. It's not like some of the other tax proposals. This proposal is strictly to help keep Morgan looking better. So, they would get the tax deduction uh for keeping up their property. It's not going to come anywhere close to what a cost is to maintain a old home. Um it is just to encourage as I have talked to people they say well if I fix it up it's going to cost me more in taxes and so we're trying to encourage people to keep up the property to make it look good for Morgan. This is to help Morgan not to help the the individual people. It's to encourage them so that Morgan looks a little bit better.

It's not to reduce the tax burden. It's to try to encourage them to maintain the structure of Yes. Yes. So, Cheryl, you might want to stay there. Um, okay. So, will they receive this tax credit forever or will it just be those two years or what? They have to apply every year. Every year you have to apply for it. She has worked with

speak for Janelle that in every meeting we've had, she is very confident that the the work that goes into this and the cost to the county and the tax credit far far less than the benefit to the the county overall with with the way that things kept up. So to get the 20% of the eligible rehabilitation expenses from the state um it has to be on the national register of historic places. Are you requiring that as well? Um a national one or that's a that's a Cheryl uh question. Yes. 1B.

Sure. To even apply for uh the state credit. Um you need to have spent at least $10,000. The state one is on uh work that you've put in, cash that you've put in to your home.

Uh the problem is a lot of this and it has to be done within a three-year period. Um, a lot of the little things to just keep up the home to make it look decent, they're never going to hit that $10,000 in a three-year period. Sometimes, as like Janelle will look at the upkeep of the home. We look at the historical value of the home. And sometimes it's nothing more than cleaning up some trash out of the yard. From her point, this is to make Morgan look a little bit better and be a draw for the historic people that come in to see the history of uh Morgan. Cindy will tell you that we get a lot of people into the train depot because it's a historic building.

[cough] So, uh, this was started to try and clean our town up a little bit, honestly. And right now it would only be you have to be on the historic register. So, it would only be uh it only includes Morgan North and South right now, but anybody in the county that wants to get on the historic register could also apply.

So, don't leave yet, please. One of the on one of the slides it said uh one of the benefits to Morgan County would be that it would make the homes more valuable and increase tax. So I I just don't want you you said that they don't they feel like if they increase the value of their home by fixing it up it's going to increase their taxes and it is. So are are you just saying that we're trying to offset that? Uh it's more um Justin wants me to speak into this. I taught school. I didn't have a

because we're trying to incentivize them is I what I incentivize them. Yes. Uh that isn't I'm just hoping that if they see u a reward for fixing up their property that they will be willing to do so.

Yeah. And and you're right. I mean, if I I I slapped on a new coat of paint on my house and I think the property values went up on that. But what [laughter] what but what we want to do is we want to make sure that and and we we've seen it in our in our town. You'll have an old house. You've seen cheap paint get thrown onto it. And there are things that would disqualify somebody from even being able to do this. We're trying to incentivize good historic behavior, good renovations that actually will make continue to have this house. And there's, you know, we have some examples of different types of houses we can show on their different areas. Uh, but we want to make sure they're doing it right because if they just are, you know, haphazardly just throwing up paint and and and and changing out a few things like that, just doesn't fit, it doesn't do anything. And and as we drive by some of these houses, you can tell where that's not been done right. Um,

yeah. I just don't want the the the the 1250 to get eaten up in tax increases. I guess that's what I'm saying.

Um, I mean, I think there's other ways for for that. So, so if if you if we want to work on other ways to get property taxes down, then great. We can we can work on that, too. But um again back to what what Cheryl said, the the main idea is to make sure that the look and the feel and historic nature of these buildings in this era um fit continue to look good and and are encouraged to to look good and then to be upkept. Um we just don't want these to fall into disrepair and we lose that that character that that part of our history that that is there. And so anything we can incentivize and as a as a preservation society, historic society, we have few levers that we can actually pull. We can encourage people to come to meetings. We can we can throw up uh advertisements. We can send out emails. Uh this is one we feel has a little more little more bite and benefit. It's a it's a monetary value. We feel like that is actually going to be as as helpful one of the most helpful ways we can do it. So these are some examples of different houses. You know, there's a 1920s house, 1930s house. If anyone's houses here, you know, you're famous now. Uh that's over on Circle Drive. 1930s. So, these are these houses that are that are pretty. They're unique. They've got character. We we know which houses they are, and we would love them to to stay stay with us that way.

I I do love the one the rare Sears catalog home. Isn't that interesting? And I know two of them. Oh, you know two of them? My grandpa built one and my uncle built the other. And it's like I never even heard that. and they were delivered to the depot and they got a notice. Your house is on a train car. Come get it. Yeah. And I mean that that was what what year was that one? What years was the the Sears 1940 for for for everyone else? No, there was houses you could order in a Sears catalog

and they would ship it out pre made for you and you'd pick it up at the train depot and and they'd c it off to your to your lot there. Uh that's something that I a lot of people might not know, but again, great part of our history and and fascinating for people. So presumably any tax credit um would be shared by all of the taxing entities. I'm just curious has have you had any discussion with the other taxing entities school district city [clears throat] we were basin water because of your property tax bill only about 15% is Morgan County 75% is Morgan school district the other remainder is either Morgan city or we basin water any other taxi entity so just out of curiosity is that discussion the microphone

one of the members of Morgan Valley Preservation is uh our city manager and our mayor and they uh helped a lot on putting this together. So they're aware that it would have impact on them. They have also presented it to the city council. So So it's going to be a joint tax. That's the question I have and and everybody else is having. That's going to be a joint and that's something we'll have to work with the assessor. Yeah, it'd have to be. I mean, if you go look at your county or your tax bill, you didn't pay $1,200 in county taxes. I guarantee that. Yeah. So, it'd have to be between all of the taxing entities. They'd all give a their corresponding portion.

Yeah. But it sounds like Morgan City is well aware and understands. I mean, initially all of the structures would be in Morgan City, so that is good that they are aware on board. Just an additional little comment. Uh to keep up a historic home is extremely extremely extremely expensive. Um I'll add one more extremely to that. I have [laughter] actual knowledge of this. Uh and so it's just helping them to help Morgan is basically what it is. I

I think it's a great idea to try to preserve our history. I mean, it's neat to go to the depot or, you know, and see the old photographs and instead of just covering it up and hiding the old, it's like, let's show it off. Let's show It's neat when you drive down through Fountain Green and Mai and those areas. And we have the same thing here. It's just are we? So, I think thinking outside the box, getting ideas to help people to kind of show off our history, show what we are and and where we come from. I I think as people look at as Mike brought up the taxes, you know, the different entities and the school district and all them. I mean, sounds like the city's on. I think it's a great idea and a great way to try to incentivize those few homes that we have to not be torn down and not to be covered up, but to show where they came from. I mean, I'm the Sears Robuck House. Let's get a couple of them up there.

So, I suspect and Garrett, you can confirm this. The next step on this would be to to have an official resolution that codifies this. Correct. So, um I I think well we would have to have a resolution but for now it's just on for discussion. Is that what you're saying? Just for the next I'm just trying to understand. I mean right now obviously the only decision that could be made is us to say we like this or change this or that. Right. We can't put anything in place tonight. We don't have that. We're not at that point. But in order to enact something like this, we would need a a code amendment that clarifies analysis.

So, I don't know if it would take a code amendment. That would be by ordinance. I think it could be done by a resolution, which wouldn't actually go into our code. It would just be a resolution to say that we're in support of this. Um, I I think what I was hearing is there needs to be some agreement with the other taxing entities though that they're on board. How do we do the homestead credit when we rewrote it in 24? Yeah, because this would be very similar to that, wouldn't it? Yes. I mean, it' affect the same way.

I thought that was by trying to remember. And any way that this is written, even if it's homestead credit, veterans, what have you, in order to approve the credit, as it's a loss of revenue, it would have to come before the commission annually listed out by parcel um and done by resolution. So you guys, we do with the homestead with the homestead credit because I I didn't think that was done by ordinance just because it didn't go into our code. But maybe it did and I'm I'm trying to pull up. But I do I do think we at least the school needs to be aware of what we're talking about.

Agreed. Since this is the greatest part. Yeah. So I I think we did the we did the homesteader credit by resolution. Okay. And so if we do it by resolution then that allows you to update the criteria if you think there's any changes. So with the homesteaders there was that discussion that maybe this changes we see how it impacts the county and maybe the credit changes over time. Um I would suggest doing something similar here where there is a resolution it comes back. Um, now it's not in our resolution for homesteaders credit that it come back annually. It's just at the request. I think that was just at the request. That's true.

Correct. Um, but as far as actually applying the credit, that has to be done in an additional resolution annually because you are waving revenue, right? So, if you want to task me to write that, I'm happy to do so. What? Yeah, I'd love to visit with Janelle on it too just to because the other thought I have and I don't know if this is even feasible. Is is there a mechanism whereby we can reduce the taxable value of the residence rather than a credit? If you did that, it's not really a loss of revenue. It is a shift of revenue, right? Because then the taxable value on that home is lower, but the the reason

the burden would go elsewhere. Here's here's the reasons I think you cannot do that. Okay. One, that's going to affect it when it goes to board of equalization because now you've certified an an unfactual value. Yeah. Um and then they can so tax credit is probably the only way to do it. And that's fine if it is. I just want to lose control of

in working with Janelle and and she apologizes that she couldn't be here tonight, but she said it actually would not be any decrease of revenue to any of the entities. It would the tax amount would just be shifted. And I said, "Well, what do we mean by how much are we putting on another person?" Said, "$10?" She said, "No, more like a dollar. So there wouldn't be any loss of tax revenue to anyway to the school. I don't know. That's why I wanted to talk to I don't think that's accurate. Um the first year would be a loss

regardless the second year. So our the county tax base is is not only filled off based off its assessed value, it's also based off of how much we collected the previous year. not how much we assessed or how much we build but how much we actually collected. So that would neutralize in year two but yeah year one we would have a loss.

We would have a loss. The big the biggest thing I see is is I'm going back to the same thing and that is the school district. We need to make sure we talk with the school district because I mean like on my part of the property tax of my home it's not equaling above 500 on that part but school district takes up the other 2500 so or 3,000. So that's something we have to look at is if we're going to do this we got to do it with every entity otherwise we are giving money back and the rest of it it's on the burden of us. So what is next steps for me? Well I think overall I mean I support it overall. I think let's just figure out the the nuts and bolts of it to make it work. How many homes are you are we looking at?

100 max. But is that just in the city?

And some of some of them Justin's going to keep me in line here. [laughter] If not, Jeremy will. We know that some of them will never try and and apply. they just don't want to put the work in, you know, to it. Uh, so if every single last person that could by age of their home apply, it would be less than 100. And is that countywide or only in the city of Morgan?

Right now, it's only in the city of Morgan. There are not uh there's probably maybe a max of 10 in the county that could, but to begin with, they have to part of part of our ordinance says they have to be on the National Register of Historic Homes, which is through the National Park Service. So, they would have to do that first and then they would be eligible to apply. And so, um, it's not a huge number that we're talking about, um, from your perspective. So, do you know what your marching orders are? I do.

Okay. All right. I think we're in favor for the most part. We just got to work out the details. So,

she knows way more about this than me, but um, you know, we we appreciate that. This is this again we have a few tools that we can propose and we can we felt this was one of the best options for for keeping that historic and preserving the history here in Morgan. U we want to see how successful this is. We'd love to come back when we when we get all those things figured out come back and give a report on what was the impact, how many people took us up on it. Um show what people did and and what they what they can do. And my belief is as we as we have programs like this that are supported by the county and these our different groups that we can we can even expand or or come up with new programs that might have a similar impact. You know, the business stuff has other options for them. Um, you know, we have plenty of businesses we like to see renovated and then kept up. Um, and I think this is again a good first step to show that we're we are we care about it. We want to see Morgan stay with its character and its uniqueness. So, we appreciate all your time.

Thank you, Justin. Okay, Casey. [snorts] Hello. So, um yeah, we have a I wrote a new handbook. It went to legal. We got an outside consultant for it and they looked it over and everything. They made comments. We adjusted some things to make sure that it's correct, up to date, has everything in it that we're legally required to have. And yeah, what questions do you all have about it?

Right off the top, I have on page two of it. We're not we're not a council. It's about third third paragraph is where it's at. Sorry. That's all right. I sorry I changed I had to circle too [laughter] back and forth the old handbook did and and I tried to copy parts of it that I could and I thought I found and replaced all instances that said council to commission but you said what was that I say you just missed I'm still so page two of the handbook there are three references to council

page two is the Well, [laughter] this part. Yeah. Okay. So, welcome. So, there's there's just three there and then there's one on page 26. Okay. I know there's one on page 13 where it says undue hardship for the city under religions accommodation. I don't want to speak for the city.

Yeah. [laughter] Uh under religious con religions accommodation. Okay. I I felt like in mail and rest breaks. Um I know sometimes I think we should have something in there whether it's allowable or not to forfeoot your lunch or breaks. I think we've said that's not allowable, but I don't see anything in there that would would um make that clear to anybody if they didn't take their lunch or their breaks that they just left early an hour and said, "Hey, I put in all my hours." So,

I think something should be said there whether we're going to allow that or whether we're not going to allow that. I think in the time past we've said not meal and rest breaks was the topic. I only got through a third of it. So, it can't be very

page 25. So if we go down to page 52 on to page 53 when it talks about workplace guidelines if if an employee is non-exempt or no if they're yeah if they're non-exempt they're subject to the FLSA and the first full paragraph on page 53 it does say non-exempt employees scheduled to work more than 6 hours will generally receive an unpaid duty-free meal period of at least 30 minutes. Meal periods are scheduled by the supervisor. So I I do know under the FLSA, they do need to break up. If they're working more than six hours, they have to have that 30 minute break.

Okay. Then in time records, I did it by Sorry, I didn't do it by page. You're good. time records page 25. It says exempt employees must take PTO only if they are gone the whole day. So that was really unclear to me. What does that mean? If you're if you're gone seven hours and not the eighth hour, you don't have to take PTO. I don't that's hard for me to understand. Shouldn't it be by the hour hour increments at the minimum? Well, these are these are exempt employees. So, they're salary employees.

Leslie, so salary employees must take PTO only if they are gone the whole day. They should be taking PTO even if they're gone half a day. I agree, but that's not what it says.

So, the way the FLSA puts it is I I tried to follow their wording of it because we cannot dock a salaried exempt employee for missing um like sorry, give me just a second. I'm trying to remember exactly how they word it. Um, the only way that we're allowed to dock a salaried employees pay that's exempt is if they were to miss a full day of work. So that is the wording that the FLSA

Yeah. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't use PTO for it. It just means that I mean at least in the private sector that's not how it works for salaried employees. You Yes. They're still going to pay you for the full day, but you still need to note that you're taking a deal because for a salary employee, I mean, that's the way it is no matter what, right? Even if you took a full day off, you're still would get the same paycheck regardless. It's just you have to note that you're using PTO for it. So, I feel like that needed to be re that needs to be fixed

under that same time records where it says supervisors must sign the time sheet. I'm under the impression that they're not signed. Yeah, I I I went in and actually I updated that to they must submit the time sheet to and then saying stating that it's accurate and correct. And Casey, do you think the pre-authorization for overtime is being followed? Not we don't have one right now. So So we don't have one now. So when this goes into effect, they're going to have to do it. Yes.

Okay. Is there so one thing I didn't see on here was and I know we've discussed a little bit was about like uniforms like we give a certain amount for boots and pants and um I think a a concern that I have is like you know I if that's a an amenity that we allow are we how are we keeping making sure that they're not buying like the $500 fanciest boots and putting that in the closet. So right now we don't have anything in the handbook about uh uniform policy. I'm I'm working on Okay. So you're I have because that was brought out to us two weeks ago. So we're Okay.

So it's been written and just waiting to get more comments from um see what needs to be. Curious about that. So that would that be something that we could add in to an amendment later on? So the the plan for h this handbook is that each year it will be um relooked at and then anything any policies that have been written throughout the year will be added to it where it's necessary and then it'll come before you all and get ratified again. Okay.

So anything that we would do throughout the year would go into effect immediately. Yes. It'll just be a standalone and then once the new year comes it'll be entered into the hand book. Then Kate the only other thing I had like I said I only got through a third of it's pretty long. You don't have to. We have a lot of comments which are great and it's not something you have to pass tonight. So I I I thought saw a decision so I thought we Well, if you wanted to pass it tonight, you're more than welcome to. But yeah, I would love to finish reading sure with the stack of comments that we have,

but it says on work schedule half hour lunch. So, I just need I just think they need to add in the the two breaks. So, so it's all in there. Is that the page 5253 again or is this back on meal and rest schedule? It's under work schedule. I thought there was a part where I talked about two 15minute breaks throughout the day. Yeah, I did read that. It is in there, but it's not under work schedule. Okay. I could remember where I read it. So, going back to the PTO paid time off if they leave part of the day and then they're

you said it right, Casey. Right. Right. Because they're exempt employees. So, you can't deduct just hours from them or else they wouldn't become exempt status. You're not deducting by having them use PTO. If they miss two hours of the day, then you can't deduct. They use PTO. They use PTO. You're not deducting anything because they're using PTO. But they're required to use PTO if they're going to take time off, whether it's an hour or 8 hour, but it has to be for the full day. No, no, no. They would just use an hour of PTO if they took an hour off. But I don't think you can do that because then it gets rid of their exempt status. No, no,

that's that's absolutely might need to look into that. So, we're going to research. Yeah. So, it just that's not the case. I can assure you that because that's how it works in the private sector and government doesn't have an exemption to that.

So, technically they don't have to record actual hours worked be with their exempt status. Um, and so that is that's where it happens is as long as they get 40 hours in the in the pay period, they I mean they don't have to track it down to the minute and like correct non-exempt employees. Um, as long as they have satisfied all of their work and they they are are meeting their hour requirements, they're still exempt. So they don't have to clock in, clock out. That's a big part of it. So, but they still have to meet their 40 hours. Yeah. Yeah. Presumably. Yeah.

I mean, the thing about an exempt status is you could work more or less than that. Yeah. But regardless, you still get paid for that 40hour increment, regardless of the number of hours you actually work.

Yes. So typically in in other handbooks that I've been a part of um having uh say in that we we have we had decided in a previous uh a job that if as long as you worked at least five hours in that day, you didn't need to put in um any PTO and as long as your job is is getting completed. Um and so that's what I I kind of mimic that into this one. um because that's what I've had a hand in in my past job in the private sector. I I put that and so I just kind of mimicked it in this handbook.

And then on just real quick on uh leaves of absence under holidays um Veterans Day I think I'll add that Christmas Eve because we do a half day Christmas Eve. So, the reason I didn't add that, the Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve, I realized I I put in New Year's Eve day.

New I meant to put in New Year's Day. Um the reason I hadn't added that was because it had been done that the commission approved those half days rather than um it being a a stagnant thing that each year came before you and we revisited it. if you want me to put in that um New Year's Eve day and uh Christmas Eve day half days, I can I'm happy to put them in there. And I I can that makes sense because those days are are fluid because it might be on a Saturday or a Sunday or something like that. So that that makes sense why it wouldn't be in there.

So would would you like me to put it in there? Do you want do you like it the way that it is? How would you like me to take care of that? Leave it the way it is. I say leave what the delay it is and let them approve it when they approve the calendar and payroll schedule.

Okay. So, I'll I'll take out New Year's Eve and just put New Year's Day in there. Um and then I also Leslie brought up that I put in 480 hours of compensatory time um in there, but it should have been 80 hours. So, I'll go make sure that that's changed. the the law firm that looked it over, they they thought it was a typo because I had put 480 hours in PTO and I had it everywhere and the law allows for up to 480. So, they went in and put a four in front of the 80 and I didn't catch it. So, that's okay. Any other catches? And if you obviously as you continue to read it, just shoot Casey an email.

Yeah. Okay. But I have all that listed and it sounds like we have the keynotes that are brought up today and they would like you to research that whole exempt employees thing and bring that back um when you come back assumingly next meeting. Also, just so you all know, if you're having a trouble sleeping at night, this is a great [laughter] wonderful. Do you have a baby at home or something? Something like that. Thanks. Any other questions, concerns, comments? This is This is a huge overhaul and very overdue and needed. So, thank you for all your

and this is not our expertise to critique. So, thank you. Um, I will need a motion to postpone or Um, I move that we postpone CR26-10 approving the Morgan County employee handbook until a later date. I'll second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Backerel and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I. Are there any opposed? Okay, motion carries. Josh F3 Jeremy.

Good evening, Mr. Chair and to the members of the county commission. Action item F3 is the village of Trappers Loop Preliminary Flat 5.030. The applicant Wayne Johnson is in the audience tonight and and represents the owner, Soder BLTD. The project location is approximately 600 south 600 feet south of the intersection of North Queens Garden Road and West Old Highway Road and is identified by the parcel number and serial number in your packet tonight. The current zoning is the RM15 zone which is a multiple residential district or in other words a medium density residential housing district. The acreage is 8.5 acres and the request for tonight Mr. chair is for preliminary plot approval of the village of Trappers Loop town homes subdivision to allow for the construction of 45 town homes. Uh staff having conducted a review of this preliminary plot uh recommends approval to this body. The review having been completed by planning staff, the county engineer along with the addressing contractor for the county and the mountain green fire protection district. The preliminary plat review uh includes within its scope the review of subdivision boundaries, the lot the layout of the lots, uh meeting, drainage and utility plans submitted for this project, uh as well as taking a look at infrastructure and public facilities. Otherwise, uh uh staff is happy to answer any questions you may have tonight, Mr. Vice Chair, and yield my time. Thank you.

I thought we already done this on this one. So approximately a year and a half ago was a concept plan approval. It was just a concept. So we have gone back to preliminary approval. I thought we had done away with it. Taken some time to get to the next step, but this is the next application. You did away with um concept. Oh, concept. Okay. Yeah, we did a text amendment to remove concept plan as a requirement, but that came after their concept plan. Okay. All right.

All right. So, what just out of curiosity, what's the what would their density like what's their maximum density like they could do? And so, we got 45 units they're wanting to do, what would be just I think because I mean we hear a lot about everybody's sick of town homes and so just just so the information so the public can see what what is their entitlement and what are they asking for. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, the entitlement is greater than 100 units. So, they they could put more than 100 on Yeah. You would take 8.4 four or five acres, multiply it by 43560, which is the square feet within an acre.

Um, that gives you the total square footage. Then you would subtract 8,000 square feet for the first unit and then divide the rest by 3500 and that gives you the total density they're allowed. This is well below what they're allowed. [snorts] I just know that's the we get a lot of comments on town homes and those kind of things. It's like he has an entitlement and we can't remove that entitlement. So I just I wanted that just so that people understand what is what they're asking for what they're entitled to. So it's like just say no. It's like well we can't just say no. Yeah. This is hard zone. Yeah. And I just wanted to make sure that people understand why we're say why we would say yes to something is they have the entitlement and we can't take that entitlement away. That's correct.

Thank you for explaining that to us. Great question. So it is a total of 45 units that they not buildings 10 buildings approximately.

Any other questions? So I see a open space park. How big is that about? So, our current landscape requirements for residential multif family doesn't set a total square footage uh or percentage. Um okay, thank you.

The code says that the landscaping will be set at preliminary plat um and so right now uh they applied for a site plan at the same time. Landscape plan, photometrics, all those were required as part of the site plan approval. So, we kind of get into their totals total landscaping there. But um the total percentage that they're providing meets our code. Okay. So is there sidewalks in this also or not? Cuz I'm not seeing anything. Um there is on one side but not on the other side. Yeah, there are sidewalks on one side. Um how big are they supposed to be?

Well, these are private streets. They meet the private street standard. I will just note I appreciate the private street versus requesting a public thorough affair. Yes. So, thank you. That's just more infrastructure we don't have to deal with. That's correct. That's great. And I appreciate you not building a 100 units [laughter]

and doing the 45. Any any uh questions for the owners? Okay, I'll look for a motion then. I move we approve the village at Trappers Loop Town Homes preliminary plat application number 25.03. 030. I'll second the motion.

Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Blocker, a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Action item F4 is the Village of Trappers Loop Town Home Site Plan, which is application 25.044. same applicant and owner with the same project location. Uh parcel number is serial in your staff report, Mr. Chair. And the current and the current zoning is RM15 with the acreage at 8.45 acres and the request is for site plan approval of the village at Trappers Loop town home subdivision to allow for the construction of 45 town homes. So again, we're preliminary plat um has a little bit of a different scope. The scope of the site plan application uh is to look at landscaping is to look at the lighting plan which includes photometrics and then to look at uh parking calculations and the tables contained in the site plan submittal also to look at elevations and building materials with certain building materials being approved specifically by the planning commission. Uh the planning commission found the elevations and materials list to be favorable and and and and approved that the looking at my notes. Uh the multifamily residential design standards are reviewed for site plan applications and the review the reviewing body consists of the planning department, the county engineer, the mountain green fire protection district. Uh I'll uh recommending approval for this application, Mr. Chair. Uh again, it's been mentioned prior that uh private streets are a feature of this development. Uh hence temporary hammerheads on the property, two of them, uh which is meant to be connections to future development, Mr. Chair. Otherwise, again, staff recommends approval for this application. And

uh I will add that prior to the planning commission meeting they had u a material list that included stucco. Our design requirements for multif family require that stucco be less than 51%. When we contacted the engineer and asked them to provide us a percentage they opted to get rid of stucco stucco completely and go with a material that's outright permitted the hardy board. So, in that list, it lists Stuckco, but they're not actually doing stucco. And the planning commission made a recommendation and added a stipulation that they that their um their elevations that they submitted that show no stucco are the ones that are the final ones.

So, I have a question for you guys over here. Maybe not for you guys, but what's wrong with Stuckco? What's wrong with Stuckco? Doesn't [clears throat] hold up very well in our environment. Our climate is not conducive. You'll see it a lot of moisture gets behind it and then it gets trapped and it rots out the structure there. If not done properly, our climate is not very conditioned to stuck. See a lot see a lot of problems with it. Okay. Yeah. Having come from Arizona, you don't want stuff. No. Okay. All right. Because I see so many homes built that way. Yeah. In Arizona. Yeah. Oh, I mean down in the other side of the mountain. Oh, I know you. And a lot of them end up getting torn off. They're redoing them a lot. Lots of mold behind them.

Yeah. Is that private street going to be connected with like flagship development? Like is that going to be main thorough? Yeah. If you look at the east side of that drawing where it kind of tees up like it's going to head north to Highway 66. Uh it's also going to go south but highway roadway. I'm sorry. Old highway road. Yeah.

It'll go north to Old Highway Road to 66 brain fart. It'll go north to um Old Highway Road, but it'll also connect south to uh Flagship Homes development. that's where their secondary access um one of their future accesses will be. So they'll they'll connect up. It'll come it'll come out across from Queens Garden. It'll line up with that. So will that private street be a main thoroughare? It's going that direction. So the interior streets there's going to go like this.

Yeah. Flagship is to the south and to the east. It'll cross the river. Yeah, flagship uh flagship. Um it says public. I just had a res just worried that maybe that road's not going to be wide enough and you have driveways there and if a lot of cars and traffic [clears throat] are going through, maybe there should be a front. The interior streets of this subdivision are going to be private. The Queen's Garden, my understanding, will be a public street. It that's 60 ft wide. You can ask the applicant. They can verify. Tell me. I'm confused where Queen's Garden is. Yeah. Is Queen's Garden where it says public safety or public street.

Uh yeah. So, it'll go north to Old Highway Road. And right now across the street is the Rome subdivision. You know where the flex units are? Yeah. That's Queen's Garden. Well, that road is Queen's Garden. So, yes. Isn't this where they're going to put a bridge? Flagship. Uh, yeah, there will have to be a bridge that goes across the access. Yeah. Okay. So, their main is go down old highway and then take a right once garden into that what you're saying.

So, if you're going down old highway road, you can either go through the le marketplace and through Rulon's future because that'll connect up. They have to provide connections to adjacent properties. Or you could go to Queens Garden and turn south and access it that way. Or go past the fire station. There'll be another access over there. So no frontage road anywhere. No, but the rest of them are going to be public maybe.

Well, I don't I don't know what Flagship is proposing yet. Um, I've seen a conceptual drawing. Uh, they're working on the text of the development agreement. I know county attorney was going to talk to you about something related to that. Um, but so the details for that aren't aren't meshed, so I don't want to speak to that. Any more questions for Josh or the I just I guess my only question is do have you guys where's your thoughts on snow placing snow? Not that we have any but

the issue uh we did pass a snow storage application uh but this application's been in process long enough that it predates that. So we can't hold them to the new snow storage standards. But are they going to put them on to 4900 West so that we then have to remove it or what? Dump it onto a public. No, they won't be able to dump it on a public street. They will have retention basins. Um they'll have to provide for their water storage. They're going to push it over. Actually, not having sidewalks on one side of the street in several areas is going to help them with that cuz he has to put the snow along there. That's correct. That would help. Okay. Any other questions?

Okay. I'll look for a motion then. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve uh Oh, shoot. I don't know the application number here. This village of Trappers Loop Town Home Site Plan application number 25.044. Second it. Okay, I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. Thank you. F5.

F5 is the range phase one uh first plat amendment application 25.052. The applicant is Chase Free who has an agent in the audience tonight, Mr. Chair. The [snorts] owner is CW The Range LLC. Uh the project location is a little bit difficult to put together. It's it's talking about the subdivision and not a particular lot. So install lots in the subdivision. The parcel number and serial numbers are in your packet tonight. The current zoning is residential the R120 district and the acreage is approximately 19.29 acres combined. The request for tonight is to remove the temporary fire access easement located along the north boundary of the range phase one subdivision. Uh in short, Mr. Chair, the range uh range road, which is the entrance to the subdivision from North Trappers Loop uh connects to North Frontier Drive for circulation, and that'll provide access ingress and egress for the subdivision. The temporary fire access easement in that case is no longer needed. Uh the reviewing staff consists of the planning staff, the county engineer, the county surveyor, county recorder, and the fire department. Um all having re uh reviewed and recommending approval to uh this body. The planning commission, Mr. Chair, heard this on their regularly scheduled meeting on January 22. Uh there were no uh comments from the public during that meeting. There's questions from the planning commission about uh some of the circulation coming through the subdivision to the north, the Trappers Point PUD. Um and again, this the removal of this temporary fire access easement is that it's uh accomplished its its use and is no longer needed and and that that was clarified at that meeting. Uh the planning commission voted to recommend

approval of the application with a vote of 5 to zero. Uh, Chair Maloney abstained from voting and member King was absent from that meeting. Otherwise, if you have any questions, staff is happy to answer those. Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is what was planned all along. Yeah. I mean, if if if the if the fire department's saying they don't need it anymore, I mean, so the new road is in in the new subdivision.

Yeah. So, the new road has been constructed all except for the uh striping along Trappers Loop and the uh seal coat or chip seal. Um because of temperatures, UD do is not allowing them to stripe or put the seal coat down. Uh in our discussion with UD do though, they've provided an emergency um approval that allows them to use that entry for construction work and fire access. So, the barriers that have been there should be removed. If they haven't been removed, then I'll be discussing it with them to find out why they haven't removed them. Um, because the construction uh vehicles for the home that's being constructed in the range should be going through the ranges streets, not

somebody else's the completed subdivision. Yeah. So, so we've been working with UDOT to get them conditional approval and um they they granted it um I think a week and a half ago. I have a question. Um, I'm going to point up here.

No, the the access has been constructed is north of that. Mhm. Yeah. We don't need that anymore. the gravel. I think that's part of retention basin. I think it's just a drainage. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So, do you feel like we need to add a condition that the that the barriers need to be removed before we officially take this out? I mean, I'd hate for us to say, "Hey, yeah, we can abandon this." and then there'd be a barrier there and so a fire apparatus couldn't enter. You're welcome to do so, but as many Saturday phone calls as I give them about those, I think they're very ready to remove them. Well, I don't I don't I don't think it's necessary because we can hold up the recordation until they do. Okay. And until it's I just want to make sure that we don't Yeah. prematurely if that's the case.

I if you want to add it, you're welcome to add it. I we are watching it. Mark Miller drives by it every time he comes to a meeting. Um, we are aware of it and until those are moved, we we won't allow it to be recorded and I think they're wanting to get it recorded. So, I would imagine I'll get that done. Yeah. Okay. If there's no further questions, I'll look for a motion. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the range phase one. Yeah. Number one, plat amendment application 25.052 052 to remove the temporary fire access easement. Second.

Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay.

Okay. So, a little back history for the public. Um, [snorts] the Morgan Junior Livestock Committee applied for a grant from the donor advisory fund and was granted that to do an addition onto the fairgrounds livestock barn at the Morgan County Fairgrounds. The commission approved um their request to be able to make improvements on county property at July 15, 2025 meeting. What is before you today is a request to wave the permit fees for that. um for that project as the county cannot um tax. You can't well you can we can but it would be stupid for us to charge ourselves fees.

So um but you can't wave revenue without a resolution and even though it's you paying yourself it's [snorts] it's either I have to do the paperwork for the budget adjustment or I have to do the paperwork for you to wave the fee. Here we are. Okay. Mr. Mr. Chair, I move we approve resolution CR26-11. I'll second motion by Commissioner Newton, a second by Commissioner Fel. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. Okay, Kate.

Um, the Morgan County Council of Governments um has kind of been on me to get this before you. they finally made a formal action to um request that this be put before the county commission. Now that um this is triggered essentially because now in the past we haven't had enough ramp tax um all the ramp tax what little we were generating went straight to recreation. But now that we're um the county is starting to create a small fund balance um they felt that they would kind of like a seat at the table on how the ramp tax um is spent and So they requested that the COG also act as advisory board over the ramp tax similar to the tourism tax. Um, and so this is what I have drafted and I know Kelly Priest is here from the city and um or not city from the school board and I reached out to the mayor but he was unable to attend this evening on behalf of the other members of COG and your COG seats right now are von and Brad.

Okay, this is separate from the recreation board correct? So, the recreation board was never technically dissolved. Um, and because the recreation board and its bylaws and a reclex creation are so fissured together that u it's going to take me quite a while to dissolve that. But it has nothing to do with recreation because actually the ordinance Well, I say that.

Yes, it does. it the the ordinance for ramp does not allow for arts museum parks. It only allows for recreation in how it's written. Um so that part is the counties to be able to change by ordinance. This is just an advisory board like airport advisory board, like tourism advisory board. Um it's just would be at the same time as COG. And so no, it does not replace the recreation board that is inactive but not dissolved. I uh personally I don't want to see it this way as a COG item. And the reason I'm saying that is I think that an advisory board for the ramp tax ought to be not from elected officials but from individuals within the county. And that's because it's [clears throat] and it could possibly hold an elected official. But in that board, I think that the public needs to have a little bit more insight into how those taxes are done. And after my research on what the ramp tax is, that would be my recommendation instead of having to go through COG, even though we can go and talk about it in COG, which we have done for many, many years. Um, I would like to see that ramp tax be used by individuals within the county. I mean, not the ramp tax, but the ramp c tax advisory board be held by individuals within the county that want to serve on that board. That's my opinion.

And Kelly knows all about that about that. So the um I do present the the ramp revenues and expenses um every month to COG. Um and so I did explain to them that the bud this is the first time that the ramp budget has had anything in addition to the $200,000 that's allocated over to recreation. And I think that's what triggered this like, well, we'd love to be able as a community to advise on those additional spendings instead of no one essentially.

Um, you know, we've discussed a little bit about like a recreation board versus a ramp tax board. Maybe we have a recreation board that then takes that to us to the COG or something like that. So that those needs in recreation, whether from the city, county, wherever. I'm wonder if that would be where the voice of the community could say we need more fields or whatever it may look like. And then we could take that to COG, you know, we could have a representative from a recreation board to help guide the recreation then to COG and then Cog could send it to the commission. I mean that's how I was butchering it too. That's what I would that's I mean because I've had a lot of residents that are like we would like a recreation board as wreck has grown

and gotten bigger and bigger. It'd be good to have that voice from all over then we could take that to Cog and then COG can hammer it out and the neighboring here. I mean that's just some thoughts just I was reading over this in the last couple days like this might be a good place to get a good wreck board that that's kind of like what I'd like to see you know and then and then COG could look at that. they could see where and make their recommendation and ultimately it comes here to us as a commission. So why would we just being devil's advocate here? You do that. I don't know. You do that a lot. [laughter] No.

Um why would we want it to go from a from an advisory board to COG then to here where COG would be advisory as well? And I'm not saying they shouldn't be involved. I'm just trying to understand the logic behind that. I mean, I don't know of any other entity where we have an advisory board that it goes through two advisory boards before it gets to the decision makers. I mean, at the end of the day, regardless of who the advisory board is, whether it's made up of COG members, whether it's made up of other members, whatever, we still make the final decision, right? It's they're still advisory in nature, which is great. And I I welcome I like the idea of advisory board, whatever that makeup looks like. I'm just trying to understand is there an advantage to doing what you recommend and having it go from an advisory board through COG to here or would that just be an advisory board that goes directly to the commission? You know, I think there's advantages and disadvantages to having elected officials on on a board. The advantage is that those are people who have been elected as a whole um for for you know by at least somebody. when you have people who are just appointed sometimes they tend to represent their own initiatives more than than anything else. So there is some advantage to using the cog board I think for that purpose

have a fiscal responsibility so they're correct so they're a little more allocate this money

where a wreck board would be nice where you could get the view of parents and those that are in the rec. Now, that being said, even if the COG were to do it, there's no reason why you couldn't still solicit that input from from, you know, whoever, whether it's an official board or just you say, "Hey, we're going to have a conversation about how we spend this money. If you want to voice your opinion, come voice your opinion." I I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there. I I don't necessarily think that there's a purpose in having two advisory boards for the same money. We're talking about a pretty small pot of money too right now before it gets to here.

Yeah. The only thing I can see is is representation. I know on COG the only representation from the lower end of our valley is really there's nobody else that represents more. I wouldn't I wouldn't say that the school district represents we're not I mean we can make decisions but I mean when it comes to the whole making a advice advice about the ramp tax it should come from parts of every single part of this county and not just those in the city and those in the school district and those uh but does the school district not have facilities at the other end of the county? No, we Yeah, they do.

Yeah. So they're representing that too. I mean they just because they might live in one end of the county doesn't mean they don't represent that area as well. I mean I don't think you could say well we don't have any representation from that area. Right. I'm not saying we don't have any but we've got a very small portion from that end of the county. I would say it's equal. Maybe we ought to have Kelly come up here and explain his part of it [laughter] from the school district.

So here's here's a little Okay. So I was tasked to bring this before the commission. Hence, in the format that it is, this is what's before the commission. Okay? I don't have a skin in the game at the end of the day. However, to restand up the recreation board is going to take me forever. I have brought this issue and this request from the COG before this commission several times and there's been no cohesive like path forward. So I guess in a way this is cog like forcing the hand of like hey make a decision. Um there we are creating a very small um though it hopefully will grow if we get to reallocate in 2029 the um ramp tax fund balance. Right now we have an inactive recreation board. We have a agreement that like 7% of it is actually followed through on in its current form for the reclex. We have a um active transportation advisory board that doesn't meet and doesn't have any like connection or advisory over any type of funding. And you have just like you have a tourism tax that isn't required to have a board. They hardly ever meet because we have a very expensive contract with a company that does that for us. I So I'm I as your county administrative manager am adverse to creating another board of what's going to be the same dang citizens. Um, unless you wanted to add this to an existing board like put this under ATAB, put this under COG, put it under something that's already pseudo created,

but to create something completely separate when its scope, specifically what COG is asking for is advisory over ramp tax. They're not asking for advisory over recreation programs. They're not asking for um like they're specifically wanting input on the ramp tax. And bluntly, that's because they see that there's $200,000 to go into recreation. It's been that way for several years. We have our recreation programs are very well used. We've got adult programs. They're growing. Um FYI, Lydia is so good that she got an intern for free from the Utah Jazz to manage her basketball. So, we literally get a full-time employee for the basketball program, the Utah Jazz, and we don't pay a penny for it. Good job, Lydia. Um, but in that, they see that honestly, Commissioner Ferrell, you requested $50,000 for trails, but there's no one that gets to say where those trails are going to go or what that money or if that's what they the community needed for the recreation part. So that's why they're saying, "Okay, if we're going to start pulling money, and this is my understanding, and Kelly can correct me if I'm wrong, if we're going to start pulling money from fund balance to do projects, let's have an advisory board for the projects instead of it being one commissioner's initiative." The end. Period. Kelly, do you have anything like did I misspeak?

Okay. Do you want to say anything? In benefit of the mic,

you have to talk in the mic. [laughter] No, thanks Kate. That was awesome. And as we watched it over, many members of the COG were those individuals who helped got that tax passed and have seen that grow and from the first members of the rec board, which I was one of them when it was laid to rest and still inactive. And so we have seen that grow. It's been what almost six years into the bond now and the money's there. Um I have faith in the men and women who sit on the cog right now. The Kate's uh mentioned that. I appreciate her bringing up that. That is probably the only council of governments or comm council in the valley who has continued to meet regularly for at least once a month for the last almost 10 years. Sometimes we don't in December because it falls on holiday. So with that thing that are effective, we have members across our community. We have members that represent the county, the city, the school. The only difference is from what I said on the rec board is is you had a couple members that was parents at large. That is the only difference. The members of that rec board was members of the school, members of the city council, and members of the county council. So, and with this fund balance that's coming to us, yeah, I think the the I speak for the majority of the the cog is that they would like to have the opportunity to have the say they represent all of us and I think they do it fairly. So, I appreciate Kate and all your efforts on these things, but I think it's come to that point now where that needs to have a little bit of outside advisory to help us make good decisions on where we spend that money

across our community, which we all worry about.

So, on your cog, because I was there for many, many years. Um, so are you wanting I mean, okay, I'm trying to figure out how to say this. Okay, we only have four years left of this tax. Okay, and in these next four years, you guys would have a big responsibility, not just along that way, but in a combination with the recreation board. That's what it should be because recreation, we do get monies. I mean, some of the monies from COG or not COG from the ramp tax can be used for those things that are in recreation trails for number one, which is my big thing. They they should be there and it's for infrastructure of whatever things that help out recreation of any sort. And that is what the original uh

emphasis is supposed to be for ramp tax. Sorry. So, so, [laughter] so to answer your question in short is where's your recck board? We don't have one.

That is correct. And that's why members who have served in the past wreck board who love the kids have a invested in that served in our community for one of them nearly 20 years and served for many years on that wreck and that's in their hearts and their minds. So that is the position we're taking tonight and we've encouraged them with those members of the community see and grow. We think that they can be a great asset to the community, great asset to the county commission and helping you guys make good choices and help us make decisions that support our whole community.

And Commissioner Fel, you brought up a good point. I think one of the number things that I number one things I hear from them about the ramp tax is it was intended for infrastructure, right? Where's the infrastructure? I agree. And that's supposed to be upon us, which we have not done that. Hold on. We've done a lot of infrastructure. We just We have We just haven't half a million dollars in parts. I agree.

To be able to do in what I'm saying is is is I would like us to say, "Okay, I'm okay with it if we see how it works for a year." Just see what it how it works for a year. in a year come back and let's do another resolution or just an amendment to this to where let's see how that works and see whether or not we get any people's input other than elected officials. So I see and my thought is I I have no problem revisiting it in a year. I don't think I would put that in a resolution saying this is a temporary thing. I would just in a year let's look at it and if it's not working change it. Okay. And these are open meetings so Yeah. Oh yeah. absolutely should

and there'll be time set on the minutes for the public comment and public meetings for that.

The benefit to you have is is you have members from this council. So if you don't like something, it ain't like we're going to, you know, feed you anything that's not been already been debated and talked about. And Bob mentioned that earlier and his other comments of that is we talked about it and with the experience that those sitting on the board and then you have the mayor and the city, you already have those people in places that are already in the meetings who know what the community wants. You're not trying to create something new. I think that I think it would add to the effectness of of both situations and help the county a lot. And may I say to you guys, Kelly and the cog, in the past, four years that I was there, those four years, you guys brought that up every single week and we discussed it. I mean, every month, and we discussed it and and of course, we didn't have any direction from anywhere else to go other than me. And uh so that's so I appreciate this effort. I really do appreciate it. And you know what? You guys have an interest in it. We might as well try it. Even though I'd like to see a citizen advisory.

That's the only difference. I would just encourage citizens if they have input to go to the COG if they're the advisory board or come to the commission if we're going to make the decision. Right. I mean, there's there's public opportunities for people to speak to any of us at any time and they should.

Hope they do. Well, and if you if you create a board again, uh, a lot of what Kate said is is true. You get those same people that have a agenda and they come and they want to push their agenda and that's not the input we need. We need to put have everybody come and [clears throat] that's what these public meetings are for. We need to encourage people to come to these meetings. May I request one more thing that we within this you guys come up with what we're going to do in four years when this thing goes away. So just a reminder it's not going away. It we can reoff

we can reoff. And I feel like that's a really good thing to REI off and it would it's better to create the relationship now where we're all in it together and all our butts are going to get chewed when it comes up for Rio, not just [laughter] the commission and I can agree with it. So I can I appreciate that that and that's been talked about in a number of meetings. I'm sure you have too. That comes up in four years and it took a lot to get there. the benefit that one penny on $10 is really become a great benefit to our community. If it had not then Wreck would have failed because I think people seeing these these fields and stuff like that is going to be a big deal to them.

That's exactly right. And that's what we've seen across our community is when our uh our taxpayers, our supporters see those things come to fruition, they start seeing the buildings, they start seeing the fields improve. They start seeing where their their money's being invested. That's when they become part of us and they become to back us in all their positions in youth councils, the the Marinette group and all of us and in our school districts. That will be a charge and we've talked about that is to make sure that in four years that we continue to have the support that when they look at our community money will spend great effort on those visual individuals behind the scenes who attend all these meetings and go to all the the other meetings that help you make good decisions in where that money spent. And great motion there and great thought is that will be for the next four years. And that's what we all got to focus on is making sure our public knows that behind the scenes great work is done. I think that we can accomplish that. We got great people.

Well, and I think um Kelly, you said when I first came in, Matt, guard that money. And I think as a commission, we've tried to guard that money, you know, and and say, "Keep this money. We've got to we've got to do some infrastructure with it." And we got to get it done. And and that's one of the things we did two years ago when we would said, "Hey, there's a limit on what we're going to put into the recreation department." And I'd still like to see that go down to 100,000. We subsidize that from our general fund. And that way t the tax from this ramp tax can be used for what we need it for, which is infrastructure and and that way it's more of a paper play. That's just my opinion. Kelly, while we got you, I'm going to hit you up on one other thing here. Yeah, [laughter]

I knew it. So go ahead. So, one of the portions of our recreation budget, as you're well aware, that we we are paying rental fees to the school district to use facilities. And I certainly understand that you have a cost associated with operating those facilities. But I do just want to put the bug in the air that in my opinion, the more we spend on rental on facilities, the less we have available to build new facilities because it's all coming out of the same pot ultimately. So maybe something to keep in mind when you have a discussion with the school board and there's a discussion about, hey, why don't we charge a little more for rental for this, maybe remind them that we could do that, but it means the county is going to have less ramp tax dollars to spend to build new infrastructure. Okay, that's

all right. Thank you. Is there any other to go back? No, we appreciate you. No, thanks guys. Thank you for the time. Unexpected, but thanks. [laughter] Okay, I'll look for motion.

Um, hold up just a second. I out of curiosity under this duty section that Utah code 59-12-74. I pulled that up. I would not put that in there because it it talks about counties of the first class and it specifies that they have to use 30% of their ramp revenue to support cultural facilities, recreational facilities, 16% for zoological facilities, 9% for botanical organizations. I don't think we want to tie our hands that way. So my opinion is just remove that section. Okay. I I I think what you have there is sufficient unless somebody else disagrees.

So, you're saying that we don't want to use any of the ramp tax for infrastructure such as museums? No, I don't care how we use it in that regard. I'm just saying I don't want us to tie it to a state code that says you have to use hold the feet to the fire 9% for that and whatever. Isn't that one just for the first class? It is. And that's why I think we shouldn't cite it. That's all. Are you good at the red line on your screen? That's what I would go with. Okay. Kelly stole my paper copy anyway, so I have to improve it. [laughter] So, with that, I'll make a motion uh to approve CR26-12 as amended this evening. I'll second it.

Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Are there any opposed? Okay, motion carries. Uh, chair legal has requested that we postpone this until um Janet So Janet has made a red line. We think it's substantial enough that it's good to put in a future packet with the updated changes for transparency. Also, um, it gives us a chance to reach out to the other party and make sure they're good with the red lines. Okay, Mr. Chair, I move that we postpone action item A. Second. Have

a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? Okay. Do you have any questions as to what that was? Okay. So, when you keep hitting the curb, you be taking this online class. [laughter] We don't have curbs. You don't have curb and gutter side jump out front of you.

I just hit the ditch. um a lot of moving parts going on. Um right now I'm in my uh first quarter one-on-one meetings with um department heads. So if you sit on that portfolio, you've been getting those CCD on action items and what's going on. And of course, every single one of them has a very long laundry list. reminder that we have a boatload of RFPs um published right now that are on the county website for um I think every single one of them is um set [clears throat] for they need to be submitted February 11th which is I believe next Wednesday um by 5:00 p.m. Mountain Standard Time. Those are um your um Oh, good gravy. Your clerk's clerk's office edition. That's um fixing of the gutters at the library, fixing of the ceiling at the library, the burm at the airport, your grant administrator, just a lot of a lot of moving pieces right now. So, I apologize in advance for next commission meetings length. Um and the rest of it I can recap probably in an email because it there's just a lot there's a lot going on. Happy legislative session. So,

okay. Unless you have any specific questions for me on any Oh, U.org, your grant is open. Are you good with us applying for phase two of the trail at the fairgrounds? Okay. Um, quick issue with the fairgrounds trail. Couple updates there. Um, two issues with phase one. One is we are still waiting on Bureau of Reclamation to get back to us on the water shares. We cannot dig the well until that gets signed off on. They have been crickets since October. We have hunted them down, called every number. We even called their counterparts in another state to see if they had a backdoor number to call. We are not getting any response. Um, so I might be getting in my car and driving down there. Um, because we can't dig the well without that and I'm not putting down that much money in sod just to not put water on it. Um, so that's holding up that project right now. Also at the entrance of it um when you come to the multi-use fields uh there is currently the Philips 66 pipeline and that they do have an easement for that. So, we would have to have it an encroachment agreement and we would have to understand that anytime they would have to get into their pipeline at that area, they would have to cut through your trail and that could happen every 2 years, 5 years, what have you. And we would be responsible for fixing the trail once it's done. Um, we looked at possibly moving where the trail would be so that wouldn't be an issue. And there's no way of doing it without moving

to do major major changes. Uh, it goes north. It's going to cross it no matter what. Okay. Yeah. It's going to cross it no matter what. Yeah. The only way around it would be almost to we'd have to completely remove the layout of the multi-use fields. So, we just deal with the one that happens. So, those those are the two things right now going on with your your phase one trail, but we're good to go on applying for phase two. Okay. So, there is a bill that is out today. Um, well, I don't know if it's today, but it has to do with this diversion of the water and all that kind of stuff. I think it's a 165 positive house bill or something.

House bill. And so, that one uh I was going to look into it further because I brought up a question on that. I bet you Donna Zarini is all over. [laughter] She'll give you the run. So anyway, I uh brought that up that they um I think and they're going to monitor instead of oppose or uh because I don't know how good the bill was. What's that? They being UAC

UAC. Okay. And so um so the group of us in the committee basically said that we would not that I wanted them to monitor it and find out what's going on with it before we agree to it because it could affect everybody that has a right to the water and it could actually benefit us also. So that's where I'm going to look into and try to figure that out for you. But that's on our monitor list. Yes, it's on House Bill 165. I hope the $20 minimum wage isn't getting any traction. I have no idea. Democrat that brought it in.

Okay, Commissioner Blocker.

Um, yeah. So, we had County Day on the Hill. Um, we were able to connect with Representative Auxer. came for breakfast and I spoke with Senator Milner who is retiring um and Representative Kyle and then I was able to meet with the interns of Johnson Strong and Adams as well just there. Um so those of us that went I think it was it's good. Um I met with Kate and Brett and we went over the mountain green sidewalk plan. Um down there we'll go through all the PSC meetings, but we did have WFRC um the legislative meeting. Mike and I were there. I was able to put an ear into President Adams and Speaker Schultz um inadvertently thanking them for all their help in getting interchange in ASAP. [laughter] That was good. Um there is a bill out called SB15. uh would create an option to create a full or part-time commission without a vote of the public. So,

what was that commission on that? What's that? What was that commission on? That was the legislative committee. What were they going to create? The commission on what were they going to create it on? Yeah. Saying like a county commission, right? Oh. Oh. So they can change their form of government. If we feel like, oh my goodness, this is so much we need to do full-time and it fits within our budget. Oh, gotcha. We can authorize that and it doesn't have to be a vote to the public. Or if someone a county wanted to downsize and make it part-time, they could do that as well. SB15 SB5.

Um, can someone just tell me what's going on with 45? Is that the one that Katie called about earlier? Uhhuh. So people aren't very happy about it. I can tell you my

Okay, I can run you down what was what it says. And again, I did not write it. Um it was I forgot Ruth Ruth Anne I think is listed as the drafter. Um this is Senator Strong's bill, House Bill 445. There's you and I just went through it. There's three major components. one, a county cannot purchase land within the boundary of another county without a legislative decision from that body, like without permission, unless it's a joint project. Um, like [clears throat] Summit and Morgan got together to build a library, like that's that completely has nothing to do with it. Um, agencies are exempt, special service districts are exempt. It's literally just county to county. Um, and then in that, what was that wording that an agency can't do can't

they can't deed zoo what they can't it's like an agency can't buy it and then turn around and give it to a county as a way to get around the system. And then the third one was if a county if if a county commission agrees that another county can buy land in their county, it stays. It's not tax exempt because it's not their county property. So, it would stay in the uh zoning the tax of what it was when it was purchased at the immediate immediately proceeding. Yeah. The So, if they purchased it and it was in green belt, they would get the green belt unless they don't maintain that. And then they

who'sever county's purchasing the county some county buys property in Morgan, they buy green belt property. it will remain green belt taxed unless they remove the cows from it. So it's no longer green belt then it will then and then it's subject to green belt roll back but like if it was if they bought commercial property they would still pay taxes on it if it's commercial

which is kind of like what what we've we've working with Summit County they will pay the green belt roll back on our portion that's in our county. So they're going to pay that. And so the I had to I guess Katie talked to you right before she called me and I said this whole thing started because what we want is a conversation to just all of a sudden hey we just bought 2,000 acres in your county. Thanks. It's like well maybe we were trying to purchase that but we could have worked together. So really it's not to prevent but to force the conversation like hey you know come into a close session because it's about acquisition of property and and discuss it with us like hey we're thinking of doing this what do you think can we work together just so that it's not just kind of an endound but to include all parties. So when I I described to her the 910, which is prior to you and I both coming on, but it would have been nice from what I've heard from the other commissioners, had they come prior to and said, "We're looking at doing this. How would you like to be involved?" Instead of the last minute, hey, you need to sign this or we're going to lose $40 million, you know, and just being strong armed. I said, so my conversation with her was it seemed like nobody down there really knew and and I guess Uk was a little frustrated by there's a process that we follow if we want to take have legislation drawn up. And I says, "Well, we had some concerns with that because of what was going on with Summit County um of kind of showing them our hand, but really just comes down to a lot of the concerns that I got from Katie are not really what's in the bill as far as the taxation, you know, the school district being able to purchase and having property so they have water rights and this and that. That's all exempt."

Which also leads me to believe that they're not reading the bill. they're reading the headline and flipping out and not reading it. And cuz to me, that bill is so plain language. If you read it, so the first thing I would encourage anybody that has a concern with it is read it in its entirety and then tell us exactly what you're concerned about because the idea or the notion that oh well, I'm just worried about this. Okay, what exactly would you strike from it or don't you like about it instead of simply I'm concerned about a bunch of stuff that's not even in it.

Right. So when we met with um Strong, the conversation was how and this was before we got Summit County to the table over 910. When we talked to Strong and when we talked to um Oh, good grief. No, our our senator that came for our visit, Senator Curtis, they were just baffled that this is even legal that a county can buy land in another county. And I think our big point was it's it's not so much a question of the if they can because we want open commerce for real estate, but at the same time it calls into question planning and zoning. It calls into question the taxation. Is it taxable? It calls into question can it be um what

about infrastructure? What if you decide you need to build a road through there now? Can you do eminent domain for it? I don't know if the county owns it. That's a whole

Well, the big one, those were the big ones were it it called into question the taxation. It called into question are we is it just a way around the lieutenant governor's office to change the boundary line, right? Um so what we were asking is we want a way to have a stick that says, "Hey, if you want to come buy land in Morgan County, cool. But it's it's your land Morgan County Commission. So you should have a say if another taxing entity is going to come in. If at the end of the day or not a taxing entity, sorry, need to 10,000% correct that because that has nothing to do with special service cities. If another county wants to buy land in Morgan County, they're welcome to do so. However, that needs to be done that we need the stick of well, you can't do that without a legislative action by the boundaried county. And that lets us create anou that says, hey, yes, you can buy land, but it has to have a conservation easement. It can't be a landfill. It can't be high, you know, highdensity housing that it can't be like, it can't be a library. It's can't be anything that's going to be high traffic that we're going to have to maintain the roads without a whole bunch of like debt on us for road infrastructure. It's it was literally written not to in to say no but to give us a stick for anou. That that was the intent. When Ruth Anne added that stuff about the agencies and the taxation, I was like, "Oh, that's brilliant." But that's that was the ask was, "Hey, I now have a county that owns more acres in this county than our own county owns in its county." Um, and there's a question

there of if they were to build um, and again, a lot 90% of this has been resolved because we had the stick of their $44 million grant, right? Without that stick, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. We'd be having a conversation about even more strict probably wording to this legislation. So, so someone didn't Summit didn't know we were filing this bill. We again, we did not file the bill. This is not our bill. It's not the Morgan County bill. This is a bill that Representative Strong filed. He filed, but we went to him.

We did ask him. We said, "Here's our issue." And he said, "I would love to run a priority." like this was such a big like what the heck to him that he put a priority number on it. So why did we go to him and not our own representatives because that looks really bad on them and they asked us not to because they represent those other counties too. They have representation not all in different areas. So it was nice to have somebody just not all but it's nice to have kind of a neutral that's not tied to anything. He doesn't have a dog in fight. He doesn't have a dog in fight. He's 10,00

but he's looking at the issue from a from a neutral standpoint and saying this is a problem or could be a problem anywhere. Frankly, it shocks me that Salt Lake County would think it's a bad idea if they've actually read it because I guarantee Salt Lake County would not be happy if we started buying land in their county or Summit County started buying land in their county and that's a very real possibility for them because we both border them. Yes. How did Representative Strong learn about it? because our we reached out to a neutral party that was so they're going to be questioning me about it. So I need to know all the details. Who's going to be questioning you? Well, I sit on the policy board so I'm sure they're going to be going through this. Got and I haven't been to any of the meetings. But you have not on that

because we've literally talked about this. That's different than being in the meetings. Okay.

Yeah. getting just an update is way different than sitting at the table because it's active legislation and it could end up in litigation. So, we're [clears throat] actually told not to. So, I'm happy to have that conversation with you, not on mic, but at the end of the day, this legislation is pivotal to a county like us that is a bedroom community with a bunch of rural. it. There's no reason in my opinion to not support Representative Strong's piece of legislation. I I don't see how anyone loses in in doing this except for if you're a large county that's intending or not even a large county. If you're a county intending to buy property in another and yeah, you're going to have to pay the green belt roll back and you're going to have to pay taxes however she she wrote it if it's not a joint project.

You should. But I I think you you should because that's infrastructure. I mean, I I need money for roads. Yeah. And and on top of that, that's now in that particular instance, that's almost 2,000 acres that's exempt and we can't tax it, but that's still people on the roads and people going to it. And if they were to build an education center on there or something that would trigger a lot of high traffic, I have no revenue coming in for those roads.

So, if I see this on the agenda for whatever policy committee it might go on, operations or then hopefully you can get on to defend it. Yes, I'm already scheduled to on Thursday. You know, the bill is not that long. It's like a 15minute read. Yeah. So, again, my first response to anyone that questions it is, have you read it in its entirety? And if not, please go read it in its entirety and then let's talk about the merits of it. And if you have a suggestion for a change, by all means. First draft suggestion.

Yeah. The first draft that we saw was really strict and we're like that's not what we're going for. We are going for as neutral as possible while still getting a a word in. [laughter] When we had a Matt and I went to a meeting with Summit County, when you have one of their commissioners say, "I will buy every piece of ground I can afford everywhere." That's a concern. And she said right, she's like, "I'll buy everything I can." And they're dead straight about it. And they've proven that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, and I said to Katie, I said,

"We cannot compete with Summit County. We can't compete with Salt Lake County. We don't have the money." And as Kate said, you have a county that owns more property in our county than we do. They got 2,000 acres. And it's like, that's the concern. As I told Katie, I says, "It feels like a hostile takeover. They're they're walking in here like, "Hey, we got the money and they didn't even come to us." And I said, again, this this predates me as a commissioner. it. You know, we weren't even asked,

but I do think that they are making attempts now to say, let's work through this and so, but hopefully this legislation just makes that happen at the beginning. So, there's not that feeling that we've had as we've waited so that other counties don't have for everyone. And and also, our taxpayers should not subsidize Summit County property either. And and that's really what happens is the more property they buy in the county, it shifts that tax burden if it's exempt to the to the remaining taxpayers. So, and not just in any county that buys land. Yeah. It's not just an example.

There's across the board. You know, we if we were purchasing in another county, those taxpayers shouldn't subsidize whatever purchase Morgan County made either. Yeah. So, one thing that was asked on that is that make sure one of us is at the legislative meeting on f Thursday at 10 to make sure that we can explain it if uh if we need to. So, I'm usually there in person, but I can't be there in person this but I can be on I can be this week. You can or cannot. I can. Okay. But you'll be there.

I'll be there to testify. That that was a very contentious phone call that I had [laughter] which is so weird because I talked to their policy analyst. Well, one I reached out before this even they so it got its number on Friday. I don't know how you just picked up on it today but it on Friday I reached out to the previous previous policy analyst at UC not realizing they're not there anymore and now it's a new one. So, I talked to him today and he was like, "Oh, yeah. All that makes total sense." I'm like, "Okay, well, if you have any questions, here's an cell number." And

I'm like, "I'm really sorry. I did reach out, but I didn't know you were I guess he's been there for eight months, but I like to me session is session, and when session's done, I don't think policy unless so." Okay. Yeah, it is on the agenda. Tomorrow. [clears throat] Tomorrow. Which committee? The revenue and taxation policy.

On that one instead of Yeah, I am subdivision. But it does hit 59 when that's like I said, it says under it just says a house rules says B restricts a county's ability to purchase land in other counties. requires counties to pay property taxes at full value for properties outside of the county. So, actually, it doesn't restrict them. It just says they have to come to the I think that last one could be very misleading. Yeah. You will pay full property tax like you're going to pay top dollar. It's like I think that last comment that they have requires counties to pay property taxes after all

the full value because that's kind of misleading because yes, full value of what it was when you purchased it. And so I think that, you know, they're saying, "Okay, if you took that property at full market value, that's we're gonna have to pay." No, read the bill. And the bill specifically says that's what we're going to ask. Yeah. So I I think that I think they they read the highlights. [laughter] Well, and when the highlights are not factual because it doesn't restrict it fully. It just says that they need to work with the other county. That's right. It's not It's not restrictive. It's prohibit or it's it's allowing it under certain conditions. The restriction is you got to make a phone call and have a have a have a conversation versus I'm just going to go do it and I'll tell you about it later. Yeah.

You know, that's the restriction. Be a be a good neighbor and say, "Hey, it was on the news even before we even heard about it." Might be there right now. Yeah. So, yeah. So, that's at 11 a.m. Oh, that's at 11. Okay. Yeah. Our policy steering committee So you can be there. No, he's gone. I've never been to Okay. That's the beauty of legislative sessions. We have to pivot and some things you can't pivot. Can I ask for a recess? Can I have a really long [laughter] recess?

Need a 4 hour recess. You are not aware,

Mike. You know I will. Um, I would I would go down to that, but I'm going to be gone to wrestling tournament tomorrow and Thursday. So, um, I just want to give a quick update on the fairgrounds electrical project, which is proceeding fairly quickly. Um, they've gotten a lot done over there, which is awesome. Um, we also received the fairgrounds board received approval for funding to do the u sound upgrade at that facility as well. So that will be moving forward. Um, between the electrical, the sound, and the building expansion that we approved the the waiver of the fees for tonight, there will have been a little over a million dollars invested in the fairgrounds this year alone, which is probably more that's been than has been invested in that facility in the last 20 years.

So, it's pretty exciting. The fairgrounds board is excited about that. There's a lot of good things happening. Um, still more good things that will come, too. We've got a couple applications in for some grant funding for additional items, too, that uh won't require any match or anything from the county. Um, I think that's my only update right now. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Fel.

Yeah, just to go over a couple more bills. Um there is a bill that of course it was on the revenue revenue and taxation one that there's a couple one of them was that will affect individuals and that is to do with vehicle penalties for registration of vehicles. So, in other words, if you if you have a vehicle that you've had under repair for the last six months and you haven't registered it because it's in the garage, you're fixing it. If you go into um to go and register it, they will charge you a penalty of at least 50 bucks each month

for letting it lapse. For letting it lapse.

It's crazy. And so, um, that was one that UAC did not take a position on it other than monitor it until they talked to the representative that's, uh, doing [clears throat] it. And so, that one and Senator or Representative Strong was very much opposed to it in that one and that was in the committee meeting. And uh and then also another bill that might affect individuals. Um because right now it supports dealers. If you go and purchase a car at a dealer, you only pay the difference between a the price that you get for trade in and the new price. They're saying now what they want to do is they want to treat everybody private. you know, if we sell one privately, um, and I don't know how they're going to monitor it, that if we sell a vehicle privately and I sell my car to you, you now have to pay full full taxable value on it. And so what they're trying to do is make it to where it's more like a dealer is what would be the trade in value versus what you're paying for it. And so that's something that could benefit us, but it could also hurt us. Um, so that's something we might want. You're saying even if you didn't trade it,

even if you didn't trade it, they would just look at the trade in value, subtract that out of it. That's correct. So, it would hit I mean, it does stink that every time you buy or sell, you you pay that sales tax again and again and again on the same product.

That's right. And so, that one is House Bill 102 and 107. Both of those two. And then there was another Oh, and this is something that we can do. Um because the state is this is House Bill 56, Substitute One, where they are going to if you go in to ask like we had last time or a couple of times ago when somebody came in and asked if they could have it uh rebated or basically their car registration, uh they're going to impose no matter what if you do that. and it comes up to so many months um that you would still have to pay at least the $ five dollar a $ five dollar administrative fee. And so we as a county might want to if this one gets approved, we may want to put that one in also. And that's what they're saying is instead of the state giving everything back, I mean giving back five bucks, we ought to be able to at least keep something for administrative. So that's something we need to look at. Another one that Um, oh, a HB231. Um, that's the Norm Thirstston bill on sales tax removal of they want to he wants to basically he wants to make it to where the TRT is no longer with prepared foods, but he wants to make it a sales tax on everybody. And it's an unfair tax and but he's pushing for it. And last week in our legislative meeting, they discussed they says, "Well, Norm's going to just plain repeal the law, then that means TRT gets nothing. Restaurant tax gets nothing." And so, um, I doubt it'll pass. We had a meeting last Thursday morning with u tourism and recreation boards

and they oppose this tax. So if you talk to any of your legislators, you might want to look at that bill 231 and see whether or not you support it or if you want to follow with what UAC is doing. UAC says oppose. And so the tourism recreation says oppose also because what would happen is that amount they collect in sales tax will actually become our TRT, but then it unfairly taxes everybody. I mean, if if Garrett goes and buys a suit, he now is paying for prepared foods, TRT. And so that's where it's not a fair tax. And so that's just my opinion, and everybody else is doing that's it.

See, we had board of health.

That's your We may not, you know, claim each other. He moved down below a long time ago. Um, let's see. We had board of health last week. Um, there is a bill that they're uh they were talking about where and they didn't they didn't have the number so I couldn't can't show you, but it's about the immuniz immunization waiver. Um, where they're looking at repealing any need to get the waiver just like you just go get it. you don't have to like basically no immunizations required to attend public school and no waiver required. Uh they're a little concerned about that and they used um the measles down in Weber County. They had a few in one of the high schools and they were able to track all those kids that had the immunizations and then when they contacted all those that had waivers, they found out that um I think there was about a hundred that had waivers and about 70 of them were able to find their records after they told them they couldn't go to school because they could be infected and said so about 70% of them that had waivers actually had the immunization, but they were able to kind of track that down. So, um they they don't feel it'll gain much traction because of just the documentation and be able to um if there is an outbreak of something, measles, which we're dealing with right now. Um it really helps to be able to narrow that field down and and and talk with them. So, um I also had a a meeting with a his name is Josh Pace um about a uh motocross track, I guess, and I talked to Mike quite a bit about this. I guess it had been proposed years ago. Um he's kind of bringing that up and was curious about how the county feels and I says you know my understanding is I mean we the things that people want to use. We don't have trails. We have no place. We got kids riding dirt bikes down roads. Um if [snorts] there was a place um you know

funding would be a big one. So if he has funding options or ways to acquire property or things like that. Um he I guess he he says he knows a lot of people that have um that are in that industry and I says obviously we'd have to work with where is an appropriate place for something like that. Um but anything to you know to kind of encourage people to use an appropriate area um to be safe um to encourage people to come and again spend their their their dollars here and then go back home wherever they live. Um, and so he's going to do a little bit more leg work on it. He originally wanted, his proposal was where our multi-use fields are going. And I told him that is not going to happen. Um, so

I'll give him somebody else that's way passionate about it that he can work with. We had a a mini moto lacrosse competitive player on the fairground.

And he brought that up. He says he actually won he won it the first year that that had the mini moto. And um, he's very passionate. He's got his own track out there on his dad's property and it's a it's private. He'd like to um have something a little bit better where people can can train and practice and be safe. And so he seems very passionate about I says bring us some options, some ideas. I said I think we're we're open. So um he was pretty excited but I did tell him he can't have where the multifuse fields are going. That's a that's a non-starter for us. So that's been about the the last two weeks. That's all I got. Okay, Mr. Chair, before you do yours, can I ask one more to Mike? Sure.

Sure. Um, the there is a bill coming out about uh the disposal of solar panels. Okay. So, um I don't know if you at the Wasatch Integrated Waste have talked about that because they're trying to determine where a location is best to take care of those and if you guys have, you know, because there's I guess substances that are not good with solar panels. I didn't know that. So, I just wanted to bring that to you.

Was integrated won't be a a viable place regardless because we've only got 12 years left of the landfill there. Um, but one of the larger regional landfills could be a potential location for that. So, okay. I just wanted you to be aware of it. HB 323.

Okay. Well, I've been gone for two weeks, so I don't have a ton to report on [clears throat] assignments, but I do have some things that I've tried to to deal with previous to this that I' I'd like to since I've got a captive audience. Um, we tked Josh couple of months ago allowing the planning commission to access um the notes. I've asked the attorney. I've asked K. I've not received anything back from that. I I I thought when we tked some happened.

Yeah. And I I think I was I think I told you I was um in a trial. I I did talk to Josh about that today and I think he's met with Mike as well about it. So I'll get with you about it. Okay.

All right. All right. Well, I know what he said in the meeting because I listened to the meeting, but I don't agree with what what he said. I do feel like it's their that they should have an opportunity to go through stuff and and make sure they may have saved him from what got postponed to last session, you know, from our last meeting. So they could have possibly raised a red flag on that, but I think they do have a otherwise. Why do we have a planning commission if we're not going to have I'll chat with you, Matt, separately because there's a lot more to it than just that. Okay. Okay. BB3. Did we find a lease transfer? Nope.

Is that one that we've talked about though? That's the one I emailed you about. and said, "Hey, he's here and he wants a copy." And the last thing I have is a 2003. Yeah. And we did go through the com or you went through the commission agendas and it was never never brought before the commission. And and so it can't be transferred without commission approval. So So we need to get it on the agenda then is what what you're saying because he paid his he paid a year ago. they took his money and he it was under his name but now it's suddenly not and I specifically remember it happening but

I I pulled everything [clears throat] um [snorts] the there's more issues than just that hanger of us not having the transfer paperwork. So it's something that Dane is and I are we've got the whole spreadsheet and we're actively working through those things. Um, it's it's one of those sins of the father of the the previous administration and we're playing catch-up right now. Okay. All right. I won't worry. I'm not going to worry about it.

And I do think it does bring a discussion to say when they're transferring against the lease. Does the commission want them just to come in and say, "Hey, sorry, we did this a year ago." Or do you want it to be, hey, you violated the terms and now you have to negotiate a new lease agreement with us? I I don't know where you're at on that spectrum. But I would if it's a violation of them negotiate a new fee and raise the freaking

rate. And that's what I was thinking because if if they're if they're turning these over and over and over to whoever can pay the most, that doesn't benefit our community necessarily. It could, but but not necessarily. I'm just asking can you let us clean it up first and then reminder that you have an impact fee out and your county fees out for RFP and part of that is airport fees. Yeah. And I I was going to say if we if we would have had a really smooth running organization down there it would be easier to say here we're drawing this hard line. But yeah I have off the top of my head I have five.

Okay. And the last thing is is and just by default that I'm working on Buster's um hangers is that in doing the area there that we said that we the county would pay for this portion and it and they sent us a diagram that had those colorcoded. This is the county's part. This is the we the county will pay for this part of the runway. D. So apparently John, this came from John. I'm getting second hand. None of this is ringing a bell to me, but okay.

Apparently um Dne was worried that the construction of that area is probably more than $5,000. And are we supposed to be getting three to five bids for for that area? Um, I don't even see how we've done this before on the other stuff. We did it last time. Are we talking the paving of the runway? Correct. Is it a runway or a taxi way? Nowhere.

Are we including that in our like is the paving being done by the same entity that's doing the road paving? Because we have an agreement for them at a certain rate per ton. So, we can do paving anywhere in the county at that rate per ton. and we've already done the RFP and everything for that. So if it's done it's being done which I believe it's Parsons that currently has that contract. Correct. It's being done by them then no we don't have to go out that's not paving. It's No, we have we do Yeah, we have a rate for chip sealing. Now the crack sealing we usually do ourselves. I was about to say like we have to What about the earth work? That's where that's where we're at. Oh, that excavation

that I would think is I mean I know that's not part of the Parsons agreement. I don't know who's doing it at the airport. Makums are doing Oh, okay. Mums are doing it for us. So, in the past they've done all that and then we've we've got the county's price on the to have like Parsons or whoever come do the So, I just know it wouldn't work somebody else should have bid out, but I don't because I know we don't have a long-term agreement on that. we just do on the asphalt and we we typically get a three-year deal on the asphalt pricing. Is this 20% or whatever agreement in writing somewhere that I can pull 20% or whatever

it was one that we had uh we approved it 2025 with um this agreement it came back in the spring I think it was is when it came to us on that and I don't remember which date it was. I'm talking about the the agreement where we're going to pave. Oh, it would have been in when we were dealing with the buster thing and and brought in somewhere in that agreement because I'm going to have to pull it some somewhere in that agreement is language that we're going to pay for XYZ. Okay. Because I I did not budget for that. It was not

it's not on my list of things he and I talked about this morning. So, I'm like this is all new to me. So, I will pull that. And um I'm I'm sure just like when we did the fairgrounds, the city was doing the trail and we just finished and did our uh pass through billing. I'm sure there's a way. I just need Okay. documentation. Just throwing up the flag. So, I did not know that. So, okay. And that's all I have. Well, how was Egypt? Awesome. Well, it was a vac it was not a vacation. It was a trip and it was a trip of a lifetime, but it was very weren't you carpeting the It was a business trip.

There's only one room down there. Yeah, it's pretty easy. No, it was it it's pretty surreal to be in places that are 4,000 years old. It's crazy. Work under the historical preservation. Yes, it will. [laughter] Apply for the tax $400 tax break. I'll tell you, I was tired of paying a dollar every time I went to the bathroom. Oh gosh, that's everywhere. Yeah. Anywhere else. Five squares out. $1, please. [laughter]

And the food is horrible. [laughter] It's horrible. So it serve rice chicken. Can I move we adjourn? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. [laughter] Why you have