City Council - Regular Meeting

that can accompany these schools with the athletic fields, band practice, et cetera, that normally goes along with the K through 12 or junior high and high school use in public schools. However, it should be noted this is a private K through 12 school. They have no plans for these types of uses. This subject site is already developed with an existing building and parking area. is located along a commercial corridor. With the proposed vehicle stacking plan allowing approximately 40 vehicles to stack for drop-off and pickup, this application is not anticipated to adversely affect the surrounding properties. Therefore, staff recommends approval of this application. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

Was there anybody from the neighborhoods that came to the planning commission?

No, there was no one there.

Will this require the city to make a school zone on Eastern Lights? No. No school zone?

No. I'm not aware that private schools require school zones.

And you kind of addressed it, but I just want to make sure you feel confident because we can't have cars lining up on 4th Street.

Correct. We've made it very clear that cars cannot stack on 4th Street or Markwell. And they do have room for 40 cars to stack. On the property? On the property. They also utilize small buses to bring people to the school. And as far as the students who may drive, they indicated that there's just really not that many of them because they are a small school.

There's a light on Markwell.

There's a four-way stoplight right there on Markwell and 4th. Is there an anticipated enrollment size?

I don't think I can answer that question. If the applicant is here, I would defer to him.

OK. Yeah.

Good evening. I'm David Herron, head of school at Antioch Christian Academy. We have an anticipated enrollment of 300 students when we move in, preschool through 12th grade.

And you're starting K through 12 all at the same time? We currently have students. Because you currently have another school, right?

We do. We're at a different site. We currently have those grades at our current site.

And so are you moving from the old site to the new? Yes.

OK, any other questions, council?

I'll make a motion we approve.

Second. We've had the motion and second. You can call the vote.

Louie Williams? Yes. Rob Clark? Yes. Kathy Griffith? Yes. Sid Porter? Yes. Melissa Hunt? Yes. Mark Camp?

Yes. Item passes. Item 6 is consider rezoning application number RZ1059 located in the southwest quarter of section 27, Township 10 North, Range 3 West, being north of Southwest 34th Street and east of Santa Fe Avenue, from C3PU General Commercial District to C3PU General Commercial District with a permissive use for participant recreation and entertainment, indoor, alcoholic beverages, and low-point beer permitted, and approve ordinance number 5526. This application is by Thurman Lynch. The Planning Commission recommended approval 5-3. And this is in Ward 3.

Mayor and Council, this site is located east of South Santa Fe Avenue and north of Southwest 34th Street. The site consists of one lot, totaling approximately one acre in size. It is currently developed with an existing strip center with leased spaces. The applicant is seeking to rezone the property for participant recreation entertainment indoor with alcoholic beverages permitted. This is to allow the sale of alcoholic beverages, more specifically beer and wine, for a golf simulator business that is currently located on the site. This is a developed site with public water and sewer. Access is provided by North Santa Fe Avenue. The site does not contain any FEMA regulated floodplain or floodway and detention for the site is provided with the original development. This parcel is developed with a strip center building with various businesses leasing out rental suites. The surrounding area is a mix of commercial and educational uses with the Oak Ridge Elementary School located directly across the street to the west of the site, across the Santa Fe Avenue to the west of the site. The Goddard School Daycare is located directly north of the site, and the Southmore High School is located approximately 700 feet to the northwest of the site. The applicant is not requesting to change the underlying zoning, but is asking for permissive use to allow for the sale of alcoholic beverages at an existing golf simulator business. The applicant does operate the existing business. He proposes it to be a 16 plus entry. 16 and under, it would be allowed with a parent. that offers beer and wine through an auto dispensary system with RFID bracelets or cards, meaning that there is no bartender or wait staff on the site. The hours of operation for members are 5 AM to 11 PM. The general public is allowed only during specific hours. The Envision More 2040 plan calls for this location to be neighborhood commercial. This application was reviewed as to its conformance with the plan. And because the request is not proposing a change to the underlying zoning, but just add a permissive use, an amendment to the plan is not required. Permissive uses, by definition, are uses that may not be appropriate in all areas within the underlying zoning district. due to potentially undesirable characteristics affecting sensitive uses. Each permissive use application should be viewed as unique and evaluated on their individual merits. This application is seeking to add a permissive use for an existing retail center to allow alcoholic beverages and onsite consumption at a golf simulator business. Although this immediate area is zoned for general commercial uses, there is a concentration of school and daycare uses in the immediate vicinity that must be considered. Additionally, this application must also be considered in the larger context of other potential uses within the strip center. If this application is approved, the approval for entertainment uses serving alcoholic beverages would apply to the entire building without additional reviews from the Planning Commission or City Council. This would include such uses such as pool halls, arcades, dance halls, entertainment centers, uses such as that. While the impacts from a golf simulator that sells beer and wine for onsite consumption would likely be minor in most situations, council must take into account not only the close proximity to the surrounding schools and daycares, but also consider what other uses would be allowed with no planning commission or city council review that fall under this use unit classification. Because of these reasons, staff recommends denial of this application. In your packet, you do have a... letter prepared by the Goddard school and Although it is not officially what I would call a letter of protest. It does raise some concerns With the hours of operation and timing being located so closely to their facility If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer them So do we know what the current hours of operation are and are they expected to change?

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What has been told to me is that the hours of operation for members would be 5 to 11, 5 a.m. to 11 p.m.

So this is a membership thing?

It's a mixture of membership, but they do allow general public walk-ins during certain times.

But the bigger concern is, if we approve this permissive use, then the entire buildings, a pool hall, whatever could come in, and you're still in that proximity to the schools and the churches.

That's correct.

That's correct.

So does restaurants fit in that?

Well, restaurants don't fit in this particular use unit classification. Actually, restaurants could go in this facility as it stands today. That serve alcohol?

Yes.

The difference would be that you're consuming food along with the alcohol, which does make a difference.

So this, help me understand, there will just be a vending machine, a beer vending machine? I mean, there's no bartenders?

There's no bartenders. I will let the applicant speak to the actual mechanisms.

I would like to talk to him. Yes, please.

Thank you. Thurman Lynch on land run links 34th and Santa Fe. So to answer that question is when we say there's no bartender or waitstaff, that doesn't mean there's no employee there to make sure things aren't getting out of hand, right? Because we got to scan someone's ID and we got to check that ID. We've got to then put a payment system on file. I have to then hand them an activated RFID card to where they can go up to the set of taps, they'll hit it with their RFID card and they'll pay by the ounce basically. okay and and so that keeps track of their alcohol use so we have to monitor that and and the question there is is um that someone else raised is like well if you give permissive use to the whole building then that's understandable and it's a it's a great thing to think about but we also have to pass abel's laws so abel has a very tight set of restrictions that say hey Thurman, you can do this across the street from the school, even though we're less than 300 feet away, but our sales can only be like 35% of alcohol sales, right? So we have to fall in that and any business that comes in there has to fall into that to where it's a very minor thing. We're doing this one to keep membership here, keep tax dollars in more as other ones are opening up closer, maybe in other cities that have know bigger spaces and they have bar time and things like that we're doing this more as a concern to keep our members spending their dollars and more and staying you know within within what we've built and spent a lot of money on um and the other fact that is is uh our hours are 5 a.m to 11 for members yes but that's not what the drinking hours will be because I can't be there that long and I'm not paying anybody to be there that long. So members have special access to where they can key code in and get in. The machines being RFID, they're also hooked to the network. So they have to lock two ways. They have to lock physically and they have to lock digitally. So just because I gave you an RFID card, let's say I gave it to you on a Friday and you come back on Saturday and you never turned it in, that's fine. It's deactivated. We've tabbed you out and it doesn't work until we activate it again. And plus those machines will be off. They will be on a timer when we say, hey, you can serve or you can not serve. So we will have, our staff will have control of all that. And even then we still have to meet all of Abel's guidelines. I can't have a 15 year old in there running the golf shop, which I can't now, it's not a problem. But when that gets in there, I can't do that because we have to watch for over-serving still. We have to pay attention to, Hey, I gave Mayor Mark the RFID card. He can't give it to his younger son or whoever he brought in there. You know, he has to be the guy that's using it. And then we have to monitor. He set that drink down. Who's drinking that drink? So it's a very confined space. It's 1,800 square feet. My bays are 18 feet wide by about 15 and a half feet deep. I got four couches on the backside. I can see everything. So it's a very intimate spot. There is not a bar. These are going to be taps on wheels that plug in and hook to the internet. So there's not a hangout spot. You can't come in and just say, hey, I'd like to drink a couple of beers. I don't have the space for it. And that's not what we're after. And even the Goddard School said, hey, we're not really against this, but we would like you to maybe serve after 4 o'clock. And I know the city can't make me basically say, hey, we'll give that to you if you serve after 4 o'clock. I don't have a problem serving after 4 o'clock. I don't know a lot of people that would come in Monday through Friday anyway and want a beer at noon. Maybe some business guys occasionally. I'm not going to say no to that. But also, I don't have to serve before 4 o'clock. That's not a problem. And I'll go shake that guy's hand and we can make that deal. The main thing is evenings and weekends and just doing stuff that we can do to protect our investment and keep tax dollars here more.

And quick question. How many people do you think you have in your facility at any one time participating?

12 to 14. Tomorrow night, I'll have 12 to 14 people in there.

Do you have four lanes, six lanes?

I have two bays, 18 foot wide. I can only allow up to six players per bay. That's all the system will take. Does a golfer bring his wife in occasionally while he plays? Absolutely. I mean, that stuff's allowed, and that's fine.

And she doesn't have to participate. She just comes in and watches.

Correct. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, we want to be two things. We want to be a learning environment for the game of golf. We want to be here for the community, and honestly, We've got a goal to grow golf through a juniorship program. So we're not looking to try to be a bar.

So if I come in, I can't bring six of my friends with me that are just going to come in and drink and watch me play golf. I might be able to bring one of my friends, but...

Absolutely. Absolutely. For one, that's how I quickly get over my 35% of my sales. Okay, guys. I mean, right now I can say in front of everybody, okay, sales right now run about $10,000 a month. I got $2,500, $3,500 worth of room of alcohol. It's just not a whole lot. And it's more of a what can we do to keep our memberships happy and for the folks that like it and to keep using it.

What's the majority of your clientele, what's their age group right now?

I have 35 members. And those members are probably more middle-aged members for the most part. I have plenty of retirees that come in Monday through Friday. And as I told the planning commission, standard Monday through Friday traffic during the day might be a total of eight to 10 clients on good days.

Is this a place that high school kids could

If they're 16 years old and they can get themselves there, yes, they come in and practice. And I have high school kids come in and practice. But I would also say those high school kids go to golf courses. that have the same amenities right in front of them as well.

I just have the issues, because I've seen the property, you've got the daycare, you've got the other school, you've got the high school, those kids walk over to McDonald's and stuff, and I, you know, Admire your business and everything. I don't think this is a good location for it You get 16 year olds in there with people that are drinking and you know, I'm all for a learning environment but me personally on that I just think those two mixing together and where that's area over there with the people living over there how it was zoned this was not something that they planned on being there like that and I just with everything with with the kids coming there and if something happened with the daycare because I know that they're open till six o'clock on some things and I just I I admire you having the place, but I think it could be in a lot better place than being by the schools.

Well, we're really just happy it's in Moore. And if you've looked around at commercial in Moore, it's hard to find. It's hard to find. um so i'm happy just to be in more and and i understand you feel that way i'm not gonna said i'm not gonna change your mind on it you know what i mean um and i get it but the other part of that is is it's still sewn c3 so if chile's wanted to buy the whole thing and serve alcohol they've served mixed drinks they could get away with that right now now they still have to pass abel's laws and they still have to follow all that but so it's not that it's not zoned to serve alcohol

So how long has your business been in operation?

Since November.

Since November, OK. Yep, we've invested.

I mean, the other part of that is when I say this, these aren't standard golf simulators. They are probably 10 times more expensive than any of the other ones, not just in this city, but nearby cities. I got the only ones like them in the OKC Metro, to be honest. And so I can't have things out of control, because my equipment, each one of those bays are a little over $100,000 each. So I've got a lot of invested in there.

So so we have a lot of oversight and we want things to go Very well, and I would guess golfers are pretty serious folks and most of them are coming in there to learn to play golf better It's not it's not in there.

They're not coming in there to get drunk and then play golf Absolutely, and most people are in there for two hours so we can yeah now I guess you could you know what I mean? I guess you could but that's our job and to do it. No different than we trust everybody in here to do their job. You should trust us to do our job to make sure they're not over serving.

It's easy for us to turn it off. Assuming a member has to make a reservation to come. Correct.

Even outsiders, right? If you walk in and want to get a tee time, you're walking in for luck.

So it's a tee time just like that.

You get online and you book it. Absolutely.

And how long does the average person stay? About two hours. About two?

Yep. It's really like 1.8, but two hours. What are the hours for the nonmembers that can just come in? Nine to seven. Okay. And then on the weekends until 8? 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. Monday through Friday.

You don't have to be a member to come in during that time.

But they have to have a tee time.

But you have to have a tee time. Absolutely.

I mean, you can walk in off the street, but chances of getting a tee time are up. Absolutely. Everything about it is intentional.

You have to intentionally plan to be there.

Yep. Because otherwise, honestly, today was a slow day. It's Monday. So from about noon to four, I lock the door. and called it good. I shut down that time for members only, because I can do that anytime I want. And then I walked out, because there's just no need for me.

And when you're not there and members only, they don't have access to alcohol? Correct.

Correct. Yep, we shut down it. We would shut down the alcohol then, too. Right now, all I have to worry about is locking the door.

They can still get in the building. Absolutely.

They can still get in, but the alcohol won't dispense. And I've got to follow Abel's laws on that, which are pretty strict. So even after this, I have to go through Abel protocols and get approved.

Elizabeth, what was the planning commission's concerns?

Those that were voted. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you.

There were a lot of questions but not a lot of discussion amongst the members. It was approved five to three. I think that the three who voted against it, you know, the points that were made during the meeting was that although this business model probably isn't problematic, we don't know who's coming next. of and you know it could be different hours it could be a different even type of business and i understand that they are limited to 35 percent of the sales but if you have every single unit in that strip center having a business that sells alcohol of i mean and all it takes is one time all it takes is one time to have somebody who's been over served or who's impaired somehow and you know we just have so many schools in the area I think that was that was a consideration.

Okay yeah I just try to so if this business were to leave or relocate then another business could come in under the what we would do here and sell alcohol there. That's correct. And it may not be as much oversight.

Without this, they can do that also. Well, but only if it's a restaurant. A restaurant can come in.

A pool hall.

A pool hall, arcade center, those type of things could come in, if this was approved, would come in without any sort of council notice.

Would a nail salon fall under that?

They have what's considered a complimentary beverage.

Okay, they're not selling it.

They're not selling it.

Okay. Okay, any other questions, council? We just need a motion.

I'll make a motion to deny this.

Second. Second. Okay, we've had the motion and second. Would you call the vote?

Kathy Griffith?

No.

Sid Porter?

Yes.

Melissa Hunt? No.

Rudy Williams? No.

Rob Clark?

Yes.

Mark Camp?

Yes. What happens now? A tie. Well, we don't have a council member here. They messed us up. So what is that?

What's that mean? Not approved.

It's not approved. OK. It fails.

OK. OK. So the denial was not approved. Correct.

That's correct. Oh, the denial is not approved. The denial was so. So what? So where are we then now? So what happens? Right where we were? Okay, so now we need a motion, but if we do a motion for approval it's gonna be the same thing. So then. Carry it to the next meeting?

Carry it to the next meeting.

I would like a little bit of time to think on it. I want to go over and see his business and understand.

OK, so the motion has denied maybe a motion to table? OK, I'll make a motion to table.

Yeah.

Second.

Second.

Yeah, I think that'd be good for people to go over and look at it.

I do like that idea, no matter what our vote was, to go over and look at the facility.

Thank you. OK. So the motion to deny failed. And the new motion is to table the item until the next council meeting. Did we get a second? Yes. I did. Would you call the vote, please?

Sid Porter?

No.

Melissa Hunt? Yes. Louie Williams? Yes. Rob Clark? Yes. Kathy Griffith?

Yes.

Mark Hamp?

Yes. Item's tabled. Thank you. A new one for us yet. Item 7 consider rezoning application number R Z 1, 0, 6, 0, located in the Northwest quarter of section 31 touch it 10 North range to West being South of Southeast 34th Street and needs to Bryant Avenue from a one rule agriculture district to a 2 suburban agriculture district and approve ordinance number 5626. The application is by Vince Dennis. The Planning Commission recommended a denial eight to zero, and this is in ward one.

Mayor and council, this property is located at the corner of Southeast 38th Street and Turtle Creek Road. This is in the Turtle Creek neighborhood. The property is currently five acres in size. It is zoned R1, or I'm sorry, A1, rural agricultural, and is developed with one home. The applicant would like to rezone this property to a two to facilitate a lot split for the construction of a new single family home with the newly created lot. The property currently has access to a eight inch public water line. Property does not have access to city sewer and private septic systems are utilized. Access is provided from southeast 38th Street and Turtle Creek Drive. These are private roads maintained by the Homeowners Association. There is no FEMA designated floodplain located on the property and Turtle Creek addition was developed prior to the adoption of detention requirements. However, this application is approved. The newly constructed home must comply with the 2021 drainage criteria for infill development. The subject site is located in a rural neighborhood established by a plateau survey many years ago. The plateau survey is unique in that it is meant to establish acreage lots and we're not subject to city's plotting requirements. However, as lot splits begin to occur, this neighborhood takes on more density without public improvement standards as specified in the city's subdivision regulations. This is especially important with roadway width and construction standards to accommodate the increase in traffic that would accompany the increased density. The Envision More 2040 plan calls for this location to be open space residential. This application was reviewed as to its conformance with the plan, and because a two uses are considered compliant with the open space residential land use designation, an amendment to the plan is not necessary. This application was previously considered by the Planning Commission and City Council in 2022, and at that time the request was denied. The application is substantially the same as the 2022 application with no significant changes in the built environment, no change of the comprehensive plan, or the surrounding development. All lots within the Turtle Creek neighborhood are a minimum of five acres in size. While this application does seek to increase the densities allowed on just one lot, It can be assumed that should this rezoning application be approved, a precedent would be set which could conceivably double the density of the neighborhood over time. This would not only alter the character of the Turtle Creek neighborhood, but would also create a neighborhood that has private streets that do not meet today's roadway standards, and it could potentially place pressure on the city to take over maintenance of the streets in the future. Staff recommends denial of this application. At the Planning Commission meeting, several homeowners from the neighborhood spoke in opposition to this item. They cited the inadequate streets, the increase in density, and the character of the neighborhood as reasons that they oppose the application. Last week, staff received a protest signature list, and I have placed one of those at your seat tonight. Within the official protest area, which is all the area of the land that falls within the 300 foot notification area, Eight verified homeowners are included. There were four unverified homeowners that did sign the petition, but they are called unverified because the property is being held as a trust. And so we don't know who the signatory is for the trust. So those are also shown on your map, but they were not included in the land area calculation. If you add up all of the land area within the 300 foot notification area of the people who signed the protest and were verified, this does equal a 32% protest area. This does fall short of the required 51% area that is required for a super majority to approve this application. However, just the fact that every single homeowner in the neighborhood signed this petition is significant. If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer them. I have a map that hopefully explains what was the area of protest and who signed the signature list in front of you.

Elizabeth, you may not be able to answer this, and maybe the homeowner can't. What does their homeowner association covenants codes and restrictions say regarding lot split from five acres down to two and a half? Do we know that information?

What was explained at the Planning Commission meeting was that all lots are required to be five acres.

OK. So there'd have to be an HOA amendment. Yeah. Was there anybody, any of the neighbors, that were in support?

No.

No. OK. And nobody has signed up. Did anybody want to speak on this?

Terry Gates, 2101 Southeast 38th Street. I'm the current president of the association. Those homeowners within the inside circle, 38th Street, Turtle Creek, and 40th, we were unanimous in opposing this request. for the reasons that Elizabeth stated. So I just added that additional list of those homeowners that's not within that 300-foot radius requirement. But, you know, we've got great neighbors. We all moved in knowing these were five-acre lots. Everybody that purchased their properties knew that going in. We just don't want to set this precedent. The future is, you know, unknown. We don't know what changes might come if that was to be changed. So we appreciate your opposition to this.

Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? I don't have any. Thank you. Thank you.

And the appellant is here. Did you want to say anything before we do a vote?

Good evening. I'm Vincent Dennis. I am the petitioner of this asking for a rezoning of my five acres on this property. I am not the person that has set a precedent for reducing the size of the property. I do live in this subdivision for 25 years. I've remodeled a two-story home That was unfinished when I purchased it. We've been here 25 years, established businesses in the area and in the neighborhood and employees, and we have complied with every rule in our HOA. The president was set by a developer named Hayward that bought one of the three parcels, 60-acre parcels of cattle agricultural behind me. I literally sit on a corner, catty-cornered from this 60-acre parcel that Hayworth developed. where he put 130 homes on 60 acres. Subtract the roads and your infrastructure, each one of those homes is not anywhere near five acres, not even near a half acre. Because of this development that went in behind me, which the planning board said we don't recommend it, but they said he went and approved it, and he put these houses in. There's been several problems because my house is the only house that is in the far northeastern corner of this subdivision, which means that I can stand on my well in my backyard and I can break the windows of the houses behind me in this subdivision. of which after they were developed by five or six developers for sale, Hayworth went in and built his and quite a few of them are rental properties. So they change ownership. And anyway, my property is on a corner of Turtle Creek and 38th Street. My entry to my property is an electric gate on 38th Street in a subdivision. It's a service gate. My driveway goes all the way up to Turtle Creek, in front of my property. I have two complete accesses without having to ask for an easement. I have two accesses to both pieces of parcels, which I've had surveyed for the third time and proposed this plan of changing the rezoning from a 5A to a 2A. Thank you. Minimum requirement, two acres, or two acres. There are seven properties in this subdivision, Turtle Lake, Turtle Creek. There's only, I think, now 18 owners in here. It was a lot larger than that. It went all the way over to 34th Street. And anyways, those people are not members anymore. They have their own whatever they do. They don't pay into our dues. But we have 19 members. or payable members. I have not, and I have said this before, not trying to set a precedent by subdividing my property. The purpose of doing this is I want to take the two acres in the front, which is easily subdividable, and facing Turner Creek, which is my real address, even though my sale mailbox is on 38th Street and the access to the back house is on 38th, in order to put a one-story home on them two acres. And take the equity out of the back three acres and 4 000 square foot two-story home i can't do stairs anymore i have some health health issues since then with strokes and heart attacks so stairs are out of the question but i do i was a contractor i've done some Redone we did some homes and what-have-you and I wanted to take and put a home on at two acres and in front I love the area. I love the city. I love me in here my kids one of them was a teacher here and and went to school here and I had started the batteries plus businesses with my wife and and nice steps done who still works for the company and Anyway, to make a long story short, I like my neighborhood. I've been to the meetings. We've done things together, including me contracting a friend of my family's to pave that subdivision because we're responsible for the roads. It used to be gravel. And I'm not asking them that I want the subdivision rezoned. I just want my five acres rezoned to a 2A from a 5A so that I can still stay on my property and build a one-story home in the front on the real address of Turtle Creek, which I have. Anyway. I know that they are entitled to their peace and quiet and what they want. If they want to change their five acres to a 2A zone, then they have to go like I did and go to the planning board, request it, and go before you gentlemen and ask you to rezone it just like Hayworth did with the 60 acres behind me. of which I now understand in November I spoke to this grandson of the gentleman that passed away that owned the cows behind me, that he has the other 60 acres and he's planning this November to do the same thing but in a subdivision like that. I want to get away from that wall or from that fence. I literally bought five acres to have my privacy and peace and not have fireworks fired onto the roof of my house and I had to wet it down to keep it from catching fire. So anyways, this is why I'm asking to have the rezoning done. And like I said, there is people here that have protested, my neighbors have protested, but in order for them to take and rezone their property, they would have to put an easement to gain access for the second home. I don't need an easement. I have frontage on both of these roads, 38th Street and on Turtle Creek. And I actually have a driveway coming into both ends. And it's all fenced in. My whole property is all fenced in. I welcome any of you to come down, take a look at it. If you want to take the time to deliberate on this, and I make a decision tonight, I'll request you to table it, come down 38th Street, take a look at the property, and I have done improvements on for 25 years and see what I'm talking about. But that's up to you gentlemen. I don't know how much time you want to devote to this issue. And I thank you for your time. And like I said, I am not trying to set a precedent for the remaining 19 or 18 owners in this neighborhood. That precedent was set by Hayworth and will be set again in November because all this was supposed to be acreage back here, and obviously it's not anymore. So I'm just looking to go to a 2-2 acre meter, 2-2A from a 5A. and build my house.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Are you going to say anything different than what your president state stated from the homeowner.

My name is Robert Nidell. I live at 4100 Turtle Creek Road Drive. I was a fourth house in that addition. Every one of them contracts had five acre tracts and that's why we bought them because we was close in but we had our privacy. and the roads we put in as a homeowner association i've wanted to send every mail out to everybody that owned them lots to get a homeowner so we could get that road paved it was just gravel and dirt so i've been there since i bought that property the end of 97 moved in in 98 and i was the fourth house in that edition And to make one person happy, he wants to make 18 people not happy. And that's a problem.

Okay. So you're opposed to it?

So, yeah. On everybody, yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

We just need a motion. Council, does anybody want to make a motion on this rezoning?

I'll make a motion to deny. I'll second that.

OK, we have had a motion and a second to deny the rezoning. Would you call the vote, please?

Melissa Hunt. Yes. Louie Williams. Yes. Rob Clark. Yes. Kathy Griffith. Yes. Sid Porter. Yes. Mark Hitch.

Yes. So the application is denied. Move to the next item. Eight is receive a presentation regarding the proposed animal shelter policies and procedures manual.

Mayor and council, we have looked at the policies and procedures manual for the animal shelter. They were emailed to you last week for your review. Our shelter superintendent, Stephanie Adams-Hawkins, is here to answer any questions.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. So we've rewritten the SOPs. The direction it's gone, I think, enables us to proceed to develop as a presence in not just central Oklahoma, but all of Oklahoma and some of the precedents of how we administer animal sheltering. So I'm happy to answer any questions.

I notice we've talked about an advisory council, and that wasn't in there. Is that something that's coming?

Yes, we're working through the details on the qualifications of the advisory council to bring to council. So we're still working through that.

Very good.

And council, if you have any input on what you think the advisory panel should look like, just reach out to Brooks and let him know. Because he needs to hear from us.

Any surprises from you so far?

Sir?

Any surprises from you so far?

Here in the first

yeah yeah um i don't think any surprises i think it's what i uh expected it to be okay all right yeah so i think that everyone's eager to make progress and do something you've been through a storm so i and i i'm quiet in this whole conversation because i'm not a pet guy so that's all right i'm just trying to watch and observe but that was one of my questions of Because you were here early on and spoke during that whole process. And so after walking into this, I was just curious if anything had surprised you.

No, sir. I have some other kind of general questions, if that's okay. Sure. So I think in the budget we approved for the surgery suite. Yes. I'm correct in saying that, right? Are we in the process of getting that filled and approved?

in use yeah that might be one i'm most excited about being able to build out a surgical suite in our shelter positions us to kind of achieve a lot of those goals that we have of being able to administer quick medical care to the animals in our care but it's also going to allow us to do a lot of community outreach It's also going to solve a lot of problems as far as vets go. We can start looking for a contracted vet that's going to come in and be able to operate right out of our facility.

Will we begin to do spay and neuter in all ourselves?

Yes, sir. So we'd be able to start looking at community spay and neuter programs, low-cost spay and neuter programs, community cat programs. TNR, which is Trap New Return, where you have feral cats that are just out there multiplying. For us to be able to do that, we have to have a contracted vet or a vet that can operate.

It would be a contracted vet, right.

For right now, it's a contracted vet. Ideally, we would have a non-staff vet. That's pie in the sky that really sets us up to set the standard in central Oklahoma, is having a staff veterinarian. But the funding going into setting up this surgical suite is going to kick us off to be able to have that contract to lead into some really neat things we're going to do.

And just so the mayor and council knows, the capital outlay for the animal shelter that was approved in the budget, typically whether it's the animal shelter or various other things, they're budgeted at certain times of the year. All of the animal shelter items, the surgical suite, the fence, the new turf, those were all green-lighted and approved for order in July this month. So it's just a matter of ordering it and getting it installed. Awesome. Very good. That's great.

And staffing levels are we where you think we need to be?

Yeah, I think we're very well staffed. We haven't been very well scheduled so I think we can optimize our staffing better by redoing some of the schedules and so we Launched that out to staff actually in a meeting this morning about what new scheduling will look like And it's gonna allow us to have operational be fully operational seven days of the week right now we have a half day on Sundays and where staff comes in, gets the cleaning and the feeding and the medicating done, and then they leave usually about noon. With the new schedule, we will be able to be fully staffed seven days a week, both with our officers and our kennel staff and in-house staff. And that's going to allow us to be able to provide care and services to the community more hours of the day.

Has this new policy and procedures have been implemented yet? Are you still in the drafting of it? So no, this is what you guys have is my final draft for your feedback We have started to implement some of the things already just operationally And so this will help us formalize that but it hasn't been put out completely a hundred percent This is everything because my only I come from a world of policy and procedure back in my former life and One things that I know we've talked about this advisory board and and talked about and talked about and since it's going to be in part of policy when you're rewriting a policy and stuff it's good to have a boom everything right there before we say this is it and because i've heard different things and i still get emails on that so can we have like a timeline on what this advisory board may be done to put that with it because you don't want to put policy out and then come through put another policy out because we added something especially with what you've done and all your people have come together writing this policy which in my opinion is well written there's a lot in there and it needed some some stuff in there and um just kind of the following thing with the advisory board and i know i'm talking to two different people here and stuff But if we could have a timeline of when we may know something about that. There's other people that have these advisory boards around here, and I don't think it's going to be real hard to have to get something together and start advertising to bring that together. That's just my two cents.

No, certainly. Waiting to hear back from the council on their thoughts on the advisory committee. And we could have it on the agenda for the next meeting or certainly the one after that. So it can be done quickly. Very good.

And then my other question is record keeping has been a little bit of a problem in the past. Are we back up on, you know, staying on top of things? Do we have the right software? Are we good?

Yeah. And that's another thing I'm quite excited about is we've just signed a contract for a new shelter software system. It's called ShelterLove. We've previously been utilizing ShelterPro. ShelterLove is much more modern. It's used across multiple shelters. We'll be able to share information with other shelters when we're transferring animals in and out, like with the flights that we do. A lot of those rescues out there use ShelterLove, and so it's fewer steps for us to transfer animals out. It's going to enable us to, it's going to solve a lot of bottlenecks that we've had. So in how we document medical things with, right now we're using remote vets. So vets that are offsite, it's going to allow them to have access with an account to prescribe medications and for us to put in any concerns. And so we're not skipping any steps or missing anything medically.

Be able to do that remotely?

Yes, remotely. Yeah, so we can set them up with an account and... You know, we have to be very careful with how we utilize veterinary care. And so having a vet sign off on things and prescribe the things we need. But then there's a bottleneck because with them being off-site, how do we report this medical issue? And how do we get it quickly so that this animal can get immediate care? And with Shelter Love, they'll be able to – we'll be able to put in the medical concern. The vet can essentially prescribe and – you know go through the diagnostics right there in in shelter love and then it's also going to allow us to when we do intakes one of the most stressful times in the shelter is when we are doing intakes out the window or doing adoptions and so stopping and doing that paperwork in those moments it can it puts a lot of pressure on the person working in in that that moment and And when you have software that's kind of working against you because it's dated, that's an added frustration that you just don't need in a shelter environment. ShelterLove makes it very easy. It's very application based. So being able to input an adoption right there in the moment, they can complete the entire adoption on their phone or we can have an iPad as a kiosk. And then it allows us to accept donations. So when they pay, it provides an option for them to also make a donation. The examples I have is down in Norman, when they implemented it, they took in $9,000 in donations in their first year using it. Down in Pulse Valley, they took in $35,000 in donations. It only costs, the software only costs $2 in adoption. So if we do 700 adoptions a year, you know, it costs us $1,400, but really we're not positive because of all the donations that come in with it also. And again, it takes operational pressure off of our staff to be able to let the person do the adoption themselves. It cuts down on paperwork also, so they can get everything emailed to them electronically. And if it's someone who is older and less comfortable with anything digital, we can still print that out for them and perform those for us. So it's going to free up a pretty good bottleneck for us on multiple levels by having it implemented so does it tie into the website at all to show what dogs are adoptable because i know shelter pro did and didn't do it very well no shelter love does it very well and in fact you can if you go to norman's website when you go to their city website and you go to adoptable pets all of those dogs on that are through ShelterLove. So in the moment, right now with ShelterPro, we could do an adoption and if the paperwork isn't put in until the next day, it's not live, it's not accurate when people go and look at adoptable animals or stray animals. With ShelterLove, it's live, it's immediate. If on our website we have pictures of animals that are adoptable and someone gets adopted, immediately that comes off the website. If we have animals that have been strayed and they're listed on our website as strays, as soon as they are processed and moved into adoption and we click that, it's a very easy click, live on the website it kicks them over to the adoptable animals. So that's going to be... considerable improvement for us of getting the animals in front of people as soon as possible to get them processed through the doors which is my number one goal is how do I get animals if they're coming in the doors how quickly can I get them out safely and humanely as possible and shelter love let's us do that Stephanie what do you anticipate the transition time to shelter love to be My goal is September 1st. I would like to be operational with it September 1st. Shelter Love does offer a pretty robust training program, so they have what they call Shelter Love University. When I first learned it, they didn't have that, but it was still pretty easy to learn.

That's all online.

Yep, that'll be online, so staff can watch the modules, learn it, and then when we onboard new staff, that will be part of their onboarding process is training through the ShelterLove modules. And again, it is gonna be so much easier. I personally went through the transition from an old software to ShelterLove when I was down in Norman. So I've experienced it as a staff member as well. So I'm kind of aware of where the sticky points are, where the frustrations were when I was trying to learn it. So I think that as we implement it with that September 1st goal, it'll give us time to learn, to train, to input animals so that when we fully launch, staff will be confident and ready to do that. um additionally we'll keep shelter pro running in the background for the year we'll we'll input data we'll transfer data but we'll keep that running and then that way we have that safety net if we need to look at historical data they'll do a one-time data transfer for us also so it's the implementation of it they you know obviously intentionally make it as easy as possible to get us onboarded quickly very good

OK. Anything else? I just want to commend you guys for the efforts you've put in to find homes for the pets, the plane flights to the other parts of the country.

Thank you very much. You know, staff has really gotten on board of, you know, how can they help? How can they be part of the solution? And change is hard and change is different. But I feel like we're really coming together to do some pretty neat things down there at the shelter.

I know we have some shelter staff here. Thank you guys, too.

Well Brooks I would just say maybe you would let's try for August 3rd that'd be the first council meeting to have something for the citizen oversight committee or what ultimately it'll be called of how many people will be on there and and how many citizens how many professionals just what we're thinking and then City Council y'all just communicate your thoughts to Brooks as well so he can take all that into consideration and get something out to us.

All right, thank you very much thank you.

Number 9 is consider approval of a 3 years. Consider approval of year 3 projects of the 5 year contract with Holbrook asphalt LLC for the street pavement preservation of selected streets using high density mineral bond in the amount of 299,000 $796 10 cents.

Mayor and Council, the past two years we've utilized this pavement preservation sealant. It adds approximately five to six years of life to asphalt pavement. It's got to be in fairly good shape and fairly new, but you do get the preservation in the sealant, keeps moisture out, protects from violet rays. And so we would recommend approval of this third year. The areas that we're going to be looking at this year is Apple Valley, Sienna Ridge, Rock Creek, Golden Acres, and Bluestem.

So we've been pleased with the performance so far?

So far, yeah. The two years that we've done, they're still intact and look very well. And you can tell that we're going to see some additional life.

And I know that you will, but just be sure and give adequate notice to the homeowners when they want to be going in. I mean adequate, you know, maybe 30 days so that they can plan for it.

Right. Understood.

Make a motion to approve.

Second. We've had the motion and second. Call the vote.

Rob Clark, yes. Kathy Griffith, yes. Sid Porter, yes. Melissa Hunt, yes. Louie Williams, yes.

Mark Camp, yes. Item passes. Item 10 is consider declaring six vehicles as described in Exhibit A as surplus and authorized sale by auction utilizing Purple Wave online auction services.

Mayor and council, the average age of these six vehicles is about 20 years old. That's the average. So we would recommend that we go ahead and declare them a surplus and go ahead and sell them on the auction. Make a motion to approve.

Second.

With the motion in second, would you call the vote?

Kathy Griffith. Yes. Sid Porter. Yes. Melissa Hunt. Yes. Louie Williams. Yes. Rob Clark. Yes. Mark Hamm.

Yes. Item passes. Item 11 is consider adopting resolution number 13726, declaring the necessity for acquiring certain real property and or easements, more particularly here in described all within the City of Moore, County of Cleveland, State of Oklahoma for the purpose of Northwest 27th Street and Shields Boulevard intersection improvement project in the city of Moore and declaring the necessity for acquiring said properties for roadway widening and reconstruction purposes.

Mayor and Council, we still have approximately five property owners that we've not been able to come to an agreement with or a settlement with. And so we feel that it's in the best interest to go ahead and move forward with starting the condemnation process. We'll still continue to work with the property owners and try to come to an agreement as we're going through that process. We'd recommend approval.

Make a motion to approve.

Second. You can call the vote, please.

Sid Porter. Yes. Melissa Hunt. Yes. Louie Williams. Yes. Rob Clark. Yes. Kathy Griffith. Yes. Mark Kim.

Yes. Item 12 is consider adopting resolution number 13826, declaring the necessity for acquiring certain real properties and or easements, more particularly herein described, all within the City of Moore, County of Cleveland, State of Oklahoma, for the purpose of Southwest 19th Street and Santa Fe Avenue Intersection Improvement Project in the City of Moore, declaring the necessity for acquiring said properties for roadway widening and reconstruction purposes.

Mayor and Council, we have four property owners that we've been unable to come to an agreement with, or they have not even been able to respond back to any of our correspondence. So we'd like to go ahead and recommend approval of the condemnation process. Again, we'll still try to work something out with each of them.

Make motion to approve.

Second.

Call the vote, please.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, thanks Jerry.

We're going to recess the City Council meeting and convene the more public works 40 meeting item 13 is the consent.

Make a motion to approve the consent docket items a and B.

You call the vote please.

Kathy Griffin. Yes. Sid Porter. Yes. Melissa Hunt. Yes. Louie Williams. Yes. Rob Clark. Yes. Mark Hamm. Yes.

Item 14 is consider authorizing the budget purchase of a rear load CNG sanitation truck chassis from Premier Truck Group in the amount of $155,344.50 using state contract number SW035. WITH A 20 CY PAL TRACK 1000 REAR LOADER BODY TO BE INSTALLED BY RIVER CITY HYDRAULICS USING SOURCE WELL CONTRACT NUMBER 91515 AND THE AMOUNT OF $138,303 INCLUDING INSTALLATION AND DELIVERY TO THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD FOR A COMBINED TOTAL AMOUNT OF $293,647.50.

Mayor and Council, we have just one rear loader that we utilize or have in our fleet right now. And so we utilize that rear loader for dead end and cul-de-sac streets that are made of asphalt. And they're approximately about 10,000 pounds less than the regular side loader. And so we recently had some repairs on one of them. On the rear loader and and the concern was we had to use some the side loader in an area that we didn't like You know didn't want to put that kind of a weight on to those type streets so it is in the 2027 budget it's been approved and recommend approval to go ahead and Obtain the rear loader make a motion to approve.

Okay You call the vote, please

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and passes item 15 is consider authorizing a budget to purchase of a Schwartz a a T e street sweeper unit. The amount of $460,260.68 using source well contract number 0, 6, 2, 4, 2, 5 dash SWZ public works.

Mayor and Council, the street sweeper has been approved in the 2027 budget. We do have a 2019 street sweeper that sweeps and lifts larger debris up onto a conveyor belt. But this particular street sweeper will allow us to be able to, as a vacuum unit, will allow us to be able to clean out the catch basins in the storm drain system as well as sweeping the street. would recommend approval. And again, it has been approved as part of the 2027 budget.

Make a motion to approve. Second.

OK. And just real quick, do we have a person that's assigned to the street sweeper? Or does it just go out as needed?

Well, we typically use the same operator to utilize it. But we train more than one in case they're not there at the time. And we will utilize both of these.

Does it run every day?

Pretty much, yeah. OK. All right.

Really? I've never seen it. Yeah, I haven't either. I believe you. I've seen it. I believe you. It's out there. It's out there. I've seen it. It would now be on the left. Yeah, I've seen it a couple of times. OK. Well, I'll tell you where I think it needs to go. We're welcome to provide us locations.

Bart needed something new to do, so.

Yes. OK. We've had the motion and second. You call the vote.

Louie Williams. Yes. Rob Clark. Yes. Kathy Griffith. Yes. Cindy Korver. Yes. Melissa Hunt. Yes. Mark Camp.

Yes. Item passes. At this time, we're going to recess the Public Works Authority meeting and convene a more risk management meeting. 16 is the consent docket.

I make a motion to approve the consent docket. Items A and B.

Second. With that, you can call the vote.

Rob Clark. Yes. Kathy Griffith. Yes. Sid Porter. Yes. Melissa Hunt. Yes. Louie Williams. Yes. Mark Ham.

Yes. Consent doc passes. We're going to recess the more risk management meeting and reconvene the city council meeting. All members that were present are still. Item 17 is new business, citizens forum for items not on the agenda. Nobody signed up. Did anybody want to speak about something?

item b is items from city council trustees i i'm sure other people say the same thing but i want to thank public works for all they've been have to put up with some of this weather and the public servants and actually everybody works for the city from the phone calls to extra people coming in and especially fourth of july you basically did two fourth of julys and uh i want to commend our city manager for making the right call. Um, it's if others would have followed him, they wouldn't have probably had some of the problems that they did. But I've always in my idea that safety is paramount number one to a show or anything. We can always have a show, but if we have danger coming and I just like to thank the men and women had work overtime and those that dealing with the storms and everything and And thank you so much for that. And just one other, I wasn't here last council meeting, but I just, you know, with the new distribution center and everything, the pharmaceutical, and I'm so glad to have that. And I've heard a lot of comments, but, you know, obviously we appreciate our governor and the county commissioners and our staff and everything. But I want to thank all the citizens and more because time and time I hear again and talking to the folks there from the Pharmaceutical Distribution Center of how they went around, how they love the citizens and more, how they love the people. Everybody's so nice and love. And that's why these companies and stuff, they want to come here. We all know what more is all about. That's why we're all here. And everybody's been here a long time, wants to come here. But thank you to the citizens for your support for all of us. And because you make it easier for us. But this is the rewards that we get because of the type of community we are.

Yep. Hear, hear.

OK. Anybody? Melissa?

No. I mean, Echo would. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would. Sid said it all.

Yeah. I would, too. So how was the drone show?

Good.

Good? Yeah. All right, cool. Yeah, I've received a lot of positive comment from the community and just random text messages. And they were all good. I think one person was upset because it wasn't high enough in the sky or something. Come on down and you can see it. But it was great. That's the first one that I'd ever seen. And I was just really impressed with it.

A lot of comments about the drones.

Yeah. Yeah. And then the fireworks were great. Again, you could hear at the end of the... program, just all those that were there in attendance, you could hear them applauding, and they were just really thrilled with it. And so it was just a home run and having to be flexible and adjust. Really, the decision was made early, which created less chaos, but it still was a lot of work for all the city staff. I would tell you that I... I was there and had a golf cart, but I did have to drive myself on the golf cart. I'll come drive you next year. OK. And that was a little tiring, but.

We didn't see a big picture of you at the end.

I know. They didn't do that. But yes. I'll give him ideas. Great work. And I also just want to say something real quick about McKesson. Did I say it right? Yeah. Okay. And so we had the ribbon or the groundbreaking and then the shovels right down there. Somebody wants to come look at it. Last week or whatever, And what an event it was. You know, I think it was scheduled for 2.30 and the storm arrived at 2.30. And we had a great tent that keep the rain off us, but when the wind is blowing 65 or 70 miles an hour, the rain just kind of sweeps right through the tent. But again, the city staff were able to, or had a plan, and were able to pivot quickly and got everybody over to the first Baptist Church and more, where we were able to hold the event. And I would tell you, when I drove up and parked, I knew that it was going to be different when our emergency management director is running across the gravel parking lot, Mayor Hamm, Mayor Hamm. Keep your comments quick. And the storm followed soon after. But we're thrilled to have them. And yes, with Brooks, with Deidre, Jerry, Elizabeth, and so many people working on that to make it happen is just another home run for Moore, Oklahoma, and really for our whole state. And so we're honored and thrilled that they, on a nationwide search, chose this city to build this new facility in. And look forward to having a great relationship with them and with all of the businesses in our city, because we appreciate each and every one of them. And that's that's what I have city manager.

Do you have anything? a couple of things I Want to echo some of the things the council said first I want to appreciate the communication that we had on July the 4th between the park staff Galen Deidre myself regarding the weather we were I alerted fairly early in the morning that while the weather was fine now, it may not be that way come showtime. And so I appreciate the communication throughout the day, and it was good that we made the decision we did. And as it turned out, the next night was very nice for fireworks and the drone show. Again, congratulations to the park staff. I know there was a desire for the 250th birthday celebration of the nation to do something a little more and a little different. And I think that was achieved. I heard a lot of good things about that. So again, kudos to the park staff. Kudos to everyone that was involved in the McKesson groundbreaking and the fact that, yes, we had another storm and we had to move that. And so the last two events, we've had two storms. I'm hoping we're not setting a trend, but, you know, time will tell on that. And then finally, I know that the council is going to vote on the police contract here in a few minutes, but I just want to congratulate the FOP, and I appreciate the communication that we have with that organization, the fact that their members know what's being negotiated, that they're able to express concerns, and it smooths the process out a lot. And we disagree from time to time, but I appreciate the fact that the – The FOP president will come into my office and have a serious conversation, and we're able to work these things out fairly quickly. And so they understand the importance of what they do and what it means not only to the police department, to the city, and so congratulations to them. Thank you.

Okay and then just one more quick question or quick comment it's too funny so I have to share it briefly and I know Melissa wants to go watch the soccer game that started at 7. So we were I work, I'm in law enforcement. Rarely do I have to ever arrest anybody at where I work, but that morning for the groundbreaking at my employer, I had to make an arrest. Somebody had been drinking too much and just causing lots of problems, and it's just kind of a routine thing. Take them to jail and then come home, change, and get out to the groundbreaking. And after we had the rain, and Deidre, again, is out there directing traffic and is just, doesn't look like what she looks like now because of the weather, you know. And she's over there trying to fix her hair and she said, yeah, I said, do I look okay? I said, well, Deidre, that lady that I arrested this morning looks better than what you do now. But she did the best with what she could.

OK.

I'll hold him for you.

Yeah, I had to probably go to executive session now. Item 18 is section 307, title 25, Oklahoma statute permits the public body to meet in executive session for certain specified reasons under certain specified conditions. It's the opinion of the city attorney that the city council may consider and adopt a motion to meet in the executive session to discuss the following items. A, discuss, consider, and if deemed appropriate, take possible action regarding pending court case number CJ2026-16 filed in Cleveland County Court by Donald Smolin on behalf of Stephanie Ford against the city of Moore. and authorize legal counsel and staff to take action as necessary and approve in the interest of the city of Moore and authorized by 25 Oklahoma Statute 307 . And then item B, consider approve of the fiscal year 26, 2027 contract between the city of Moore and the Fraternal Order of Police, lodge number 131, as authorized by 25 Oklahoma Statute 307 .

I'll make a motion we convene to executive session.

Second.

Would you call the vote, please?

Kathy Griffith. Yes. Sid Porter. Yes. Melissa Hunt. Yes. Louie Williams. Yes. Rob Clark. Yes.

Yes will be in executive session. Thanks, everybody, for being here tonight.

Yep. Thanks, everybody.

And I'm like, it was worth the wait. Let me put it that way. It was so he's going to go back to go from a jet pack that we had to use. And maybe it's been longer than five years, but not much longer.

Yes. No, that was good.

You're you're good. I wasn't bad at all.

All right. We reconvene from executive session. All members of the council are still present. Item E is the action.

I make a motion to proceed as directed. Second.

On both of the items? No, do them one at a time. Do them one on item A? Yes, each item. OK. Call the vote, please.

Kathy Griffith said Porter, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then item be make a motion to proceed as directed.

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Yes. Louie Williams. Yes. Rob Clark. Yes. Kathy Griffith. Yes. Yes.

Yes. And we're adjourned. Thanks, everybody.