Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

It be help if I turn the mics on. There we go. Mic check. Mic check. Okay. On to roll call. Commissioner Bole here. Commissioner Oler, she um asked to be excused. She is sick. Okay. Commissioner Johnson present. Commissioner Murray. Um, Commissioner Murray actually sent an email saying that he's moving out of the city limits. So, he has put in his resignation. We must be hard on people. Commissioner Zaro here. Vice Chair Whan, uh, she emailed saying she would be unable to be here. Asked to be excused. Did does believe she'll be here for October.

Okay. And then, uh, Chair Elliott present. Uh so with that we will excuse because they called ahead um Ol Murray and Vice Chair Whan. Motion to excuse. Second. All right. All those in favor? I

I. All those opposed. All right. Moving on to additions, deletions, or corrections to tonight's agenda. Going once. Going twice. All right. Um, approval of minutes from July 9th, 2025. Oh, sorry. No, I'm skipping ahead. Public participation. We do have a few members and our audience today as well as online. Um, you are welcome to approach the podium if you'd like to uh present any public comment. Um, you also have an opportunity to speak during the public hearing if you'd like as well. Going once. going twice. All right. Now, on to approval of the minutes for July 9th, um, 2025.

That wasn't here. Tom, I move to approve the minutes for July 9th, 2025. Second. All right. A motion has been made. It's been seconded. All those um if there's no discussion, we'll move to vote. Um, all those in favor? I I. All those opposed. All right. Motion passes unanimous. All right. And then on to our public hearing. Um would you like to Sure.

Um just present the two topics. So um tonight before you is first the public hearing and then later under the um agend the action items it would be on for recommendation to the city council is the draft 2025 update to the comprehensive plan. Um it basically there are two um updates. I realize I did not include the second half but I did last meeting. It's just the updates to the six-year capital facilities. So, that was presented in in um was sent out in last month's packet. Um it's just the uh basically the public works department went through and updated um the six-year plan because obviously we pushed ahead six years and it will match their um individual utility comprehensive plans. The second item is the um an amendment to the future land use map. Um and that's the reason why you see East Pierce Fire and Rescue here as well. Um is they have been purchasing property with the intent to build a fire station here in Milton. Um this has been kind of an ongoing process. They um there was a brief look um there was a brief study done between the city and the fire department to see if maybe we could do a joint facility that came back unfeasible. So they are moving ahead with their own um facility. So the proposal is to change those um particular properties which are now all owned by East Pier Fire and Rescue to um community facilities. And then the second um half of that will be the next hearing and request for recommendation which

will be the zoning which will make um basically fire and emergency service facilities a conditional use permit in the um community facilities zone. So uh so with that the time is 6:05. I call this public hearing for agenda item 6A um for PLN 202500 05 comp plan annual update items open. Do we have any public comments?

Come on up. Please state your name and u yeah city of residents.

Good evening. My name is John Parkinson. the fire chief of East Pierce Fire and Rescue located in Bonnie Lake. Um, I just want to thank you for your consideration tonight. I know you just heard a summary of what you're being asked to review and consider. Um, this has been a multi-year project for East Pierce Fire and Rescue to both acquire the land and then make sure that we have a fund the funding to build a fire station here in Milton. Um, just a couple years ago, we finally for the first time started staffing the Milton fire station in the parking lot here 247 365. However, as you're probably well aware, the city of Milton does need the space to grow into and um uh we and needs that space to move into in the long term and needs us to find another location to operate our fire station out of. So, uh as you heard, we've acquired the land already. Uh we have the funding set aside to now move the project forward. So, uh you know, just procedural hurdles that we need. That's all that I have, but appreciate your consideration. Great. Any further comment? All right, it is 6:06. I call this public session closed. So, the second um public hearing deals with the annual zoning update. Um it does include the changes to the zoning map that would match the comprehensive plan amendment for that land. Um, it also includes um a few other minor things that are just meant to be um corrections um or oversightes from the last major update. So um listed on page nine um there's been some kind of confusion discussion of um when we're dealing with an accessory dwelling unit, the intent is that it is a permanent structure. We've I've had as staff has had some

people pushing back thinking that it could be a um RV or a other kind of mini house on wheels that's more of a temporary portable thing. And so I am um staff is requesting that we amend this. I actually um apologize. It should be and meets all of the codes of a permanent structure including a permanent foundation. Um so that is being requested to be amended for 1708255 in the definitions under the use table. Um as stated to add the fire and emergency facilities as a conditional use permit under community facilities. Conditional use permit would require a public hearing. It allows the public to um have two ch a neighborhood meeting to to discuss the project and maybe bring up any concerns ahead of time. It also requires a public hearing before the hearing examiner. Um it's a great way for something like this that it does have unique um it's a unique project. You don't have very many fire departments or fire facilities. So that's the appropriate staff feels that's the appropriate review process for that. And then um the second one is just um the business district is the area that is just along um Pacific Highway. It is it's currently allows all similar uses. I think the intent looking at my notes um it seems like vehicle repair should have been in there. I believe there's already some vehicle repair through there. So there's definitely vehicle sales and different stuff. So again, staff feels like that should have was something that should have carried over from the previous. And then again, um the good thing about code is it does you can amend it as need be as you as things get brought up. um when we're dealing

with the temporary signage um and I want to clarify this for everybody is 1750140 is um temporary signage and so we require temporary signage on private property to be um 500 or sorry to be 100 feet apart on the same property line if it provides the same information I believe the intent of the planning commission that that would have been the same for in the rideway. It doesn't specifically say that. So, this would add um under the temporary signage in the rightway section that um it has to be within 100 ft along the same property line providing the same information. So, if if you're in a you know, if there is two properties that are next door and they're each only 50 ft wide, they each could have one sign, but you can't have three signs in front of one property that all say the same thing. Again, trying to cut down on the clutter, but at the same time allow people to have their um the signage for different events and stuff. So, and then as already stated, the last one would have been the zoning map. Okay, great. So, it is 610. I call to order the opening of the public hearing for PLN 2025006 zoning code annual update items. Any comments from the public? Once all right, it is 6:11. I call this public hearing closed. All right. And that takes us on to agenda item 7A. So staff is recommending recommendation

to the council on both of these um issues that we just held on the public hearing. So we act on those before we move on. So it's first just um up for discussion. I was going to make a motion, right? Or if we're ready to go, right? Can make a motion. Yeah. Yeah. If if everyone make the motion. Is it this one? Yes. I move to recommend to the city council the draft 2025 updates to the comprehensive plan as presented and discussed. Second.

All right. We have a motion to recommend the city city council the draft 2025 updates to the comprehensive plan as presented and discussed has been motioned and seconded. Do we have any discussion on the topic? Um I think it's an improvement. I'm glad that uh East Pierce was able to get that property and that we are putting it as a community facility and uh and I think you know we have the one time during the year to make big changes to the comp plan and so this is good. No problem for me and the fact that we're doing zoning also helps in my mind.

Uh thank you. Um, yeah, I've been kind of looking forward to this project moving forward. Um, I just had a couple questions about is this is just for the zoning of this or when we did our comp plan before we had the zoning map with the different neighborhood districts and the things that we changed on 99 and made that didn't we make that business district? Is that included in this? So I just highlighted that the specific area. So basically um it is the um town. So some of the town center properties and some of the one of the residential properties um is what's going to be changed to community facilities. So the nothing else on the map will change.

Oh, and so all the changes we made with the comp plan are already in there. Yep. Okay, that that's what I was They're already there. This is just changing that map a little bit. And then by moving this to this is maybe the dumbest question of the night, but by moving this to a community facility zoning, does that exempt them from property taxes or how does that work out? The zoning won't exempt them, the facility will exempt them. Oh, okay. Understood. Um, and That's it. That's all I got. Thank you.

Any questions at all or comments? Um I think my only question about this was um does this designation exempt them from some of the design standards we're talking about for the neighboring zone. It does put them in different design standards. Um, but we have been going through and having discussions of they still have design standards that they're open to incorporating um the look and feel we're going for for Oldtown or whatever it is we're calling that district. Okay.

All right. Um, is there any further discussion? Once, twice. All right. With that, um, again, we've got a motion to move to recommend to the city council the draft 2025 updates the comprehensive plan as presented and discussed. All those in favor? I.

All those opposed. All right. Motion passes unanimous. Okay. So, um, this is the second half of the um, so for the annual zoning updates. Um the intent is not to have anything that is um outside of the map change to make it in compliance um with what we did on the comp plan, but it's not um you know huge uh policy changes. It's more just like I said the sign code just sort of clarifies what I think the original intent was. um this ex the definition again expanding the definition to make sure that we're that it is when I have somebody question me it's very clear.

Okay, great. So with that we can open up for discussion first or go straight for motion whatever you guys feel. Uh go ahead. Um curiosity question. Who's responsible for enforcing that no one puts two signs within 100 feet of each other in front of their house? That would be the community development department. Mine. Okay, you got it. Okay, go get them. Yeah. Yes, Commissioner Johnson. Okay, so we are talking about 7B, right?

Just to be on track, I do have I don't you all didn't get the email yet, so I'm just going to go over mine real quick. my questions that I had. Yeah, we did get your email, but yes, feel free to Huh? I said we did get your email, but yes, go go go go through that. Thanks. Um on page nine, um I I like the addition now of including permanent foundation with being a permanent structure. Um the question I have, are tiny homes considered? They don't move. They're put in. They're put on a foundation. So, can they be allowed like an ADU?

So, that's actually where some of this um came out of is a property owner that um disagreed with my assessment on tiny homes. So, um potentially a tiny home could be, but this was the idea, but it needs to be um put on a you know, similar to a manufactured home. It has to be on a permanent structure. Has to be permanently hooked up. has to demonstrate that it um there's different criteria. Some criteria is RV criteria, which is temporary um approval because they're done in factories.

Um the RL LNI does um regulate and permit some tiny homes that could be made permanent. Mhm. But that's the idea is that um they have to demonstrate that they have the proper um registration and licensing from LNI that they're can be used as a permanent home and then they have to be on a permanent structure. And so you can't just roll something in and then roll something out.

Okay. The other question is that's good to know because when we look at the new movement of taking the storage containers and people are converting them into small homes because of the economy and everything and moving to their parents' property or moving somewhere. Would that be allowed if it was put on a permanent structure and had hookup and everything? Again, it would have to it would have to the the remodel of it, okay, would have to meet all of the criteria that that would be um in the international residential code. Okay.

So, obviously there are people I mean we convert garages right now, but they have to permit they have to then increase the insulation. They have to put in um the right energy code, all of the fire safety stuff. So theoretically, yes, but they would have to go through the process to make it a permanent structure, not just I'm living in a shed or I'm living in a Okay. Um then under the use table, I'm glad to know that the business concept is only on the pack area because when you said vehicle repaired is allowed and I thought, wait, do we have more than one business area? I didn't look up everything and I thought because of home occupations that there has to be some clarity that

they're not allowed in the residential zone.

Right. Okay, that's good on that. Um I like very much the temporary signs change and that does also mean political signs because they're a temporary sign. Correct. Yes. Under our code um political signs because are the same as any other temporary sign. um and they they have to follow all of those rules. The only exception with political signs is then any other temporary sign is um under what so there's a slight difference between the US Supreme Court and the Washington State Supreme Court on when a sign can be put up. So, um, the US Supreme Court says you have to treat all temporary signs, election, churches, anything that's a nonprofit the same. Um, and so like ours says a sign can be up for 120 days. Um, the state supreme court says, um, political signs have to come down 10 days after an election and there's really no start date per se

for when they can put them up if they feel that they're going to run for a position. So, in theory, they could be up more than 120 days, but the 120 days, I believe, covers from when you can first register through the election. So, it's pretty close to what somebody says. And either way, they would have to take it down after the election within 10 days. Um, page 19, I noticed that in some that's the next item. Oh, it is. planning commission. No, wait a minute. So, we can you want to wait on that one? That thought? Yep. That's 7 C. I'm done. I'm good.

I'm good. Any other comments on agenda item 7B? We're on page nine and 10 of the packet.

Yes, Commissioner Bole. Sometimes I this is a little bit off the spectrum a little bit, but when they say that a manufactured home is a permanent structure, it's just kind of not true. Uh, you know, basically if it came in on wheels, it could leave on wheels. I believe they leave the framework and everything that it comes in on. Uh, but so that could be an argued point. Um, but is it going to be included that it has to have a foundation?

Yes. So, um, I did when I was looking because I'm taking this to, um, the city council next month or next meeting, I realized that I was kind of relooking at everything. And so, um, yes, I would like it to say and meets all of the codes of a permanent structure, including a permanent foundation, which that matches what we require for manufacturer homes under the single family housing. So, and any house, I mean, theoretically, you could move any house if you want to, but that definitely makes it much and they have to attach it. There's certain requirements in the in the building code that they have to I think it gives it clarity

uh by having the foundation in there and and it shows more intent. Uh so we're going to so we're going to amend this to including a permanent foundation.

Yep. And then I'm trying to picture in my mind trying to cover all the bases with the sign temporary signs is like if you have a property such as the faith family church for example only for example only uh is you know their property is more than 100 ft it's on somewhat of a curve and so they would not be able to advertise their events from one end of the property to the other. They could only have unless they were 100 feet apart.

Yeah. So, if they, you know, and this is the temporary signs, the little ones. So, yeah. If they had a sign that says daycare opening, they would have to do 100 feet, just do another one that says daycare opening. Gotcha. Now, if they had one that says daycare opening and another one says daycare closing, join join us for a picnic, right? Then those are two different informations. Then they could have two signs. They could have two of you. That's all I got. Okay. Thanks. All right. Mr. Zara, any comments? Okay.

All right. I move to recommend to the city council the draft 2025 annual update to the zoning code as presented and discussed with the revision of adding including a permanent foundation. Second. All right. A motion has been made and it's been seconded. Um, one last chance for discussion. Going once. Going twice. All right. Um, those in favor I I

those opposed. All right. Passes unanimous. All right. Um, I think those are the agenda items that you guys are most interested in. Um, you are welcome to stick around, but I will not be offended if you want to sneak out because [Laughter] Thank you guys. Hey, thank you for all you do for us. Y appreciate it. Much needed discussion. All right. Like me to move forward? Yes, please. Agenda item 7C, please.

All right. So 7C is so as um as part of our previous uh due in 2024 comprehensive plan periodic update, you are also required to update your critical areas ordinance. There is a um a little caveat in that that says if you are substantially complete certain parts can take a little bit longer. So for us, we were substantially complete in that we had the comp plan and the zoning updates all done in January. And so we sort of have till the end of this year to get the critical areas um ordinance updated. So um I basically the department of ecology and department of com commerce provides us sort of a checklist that says these are the things um and I apologize I don't know that I included it but it basically just says um go through your code and make sure these are the most recent definitions that we want. Make sure you've done this or that and you kind of go through and say yes I have. No I haven't. And then you kind of know what you have to update. Um, and then I have went ahead, normally I don't necessarily send it out real early, but um, I did I have already sent this um, to the state review. There's a 60-day review for any um, zoning, land use, subdivision, or critical ecology changes. Um, sometimes if it's something just that's really local, you know, something like if we were changing our sign code, I can request a 14-day review because nobody's that concerned whether we have signs that in this case. Obviously, they're going to want the 60-day review. And I suspect they may have suggestions. So, I wanted to get that out already. So, hopefully, and I've gotten letters um from a couple of the departments saying, "We're reviewing yours right now. We'll hope to get your

stuff in a month." So um tonight today is simp tonight is simply just to um let you know that this is coming. My hope is to be able my plan is to have this in October as part of um for the public hearing and recommendation. Um if the ecology, wildlife, any of the state departments come back with suggestions, I will try to incorporate those. The main things again I um I did break down if you're starting on 14 um the the definitions were all just one giant

which means anytime you amend one of those you would have to amend that whole huge section. So I'm suggest I went ahead and put in that we would divide those into alphabetical letters. So if we end up needing to add something in the A section, we don't have to do the whole thing. We can just amend that little section. Um it's just Yeah. And so um and then I went through and I tried to make sure that all anything in the definitions um reverts back to what um the state has usually in the wax or they specifically said we want you to use this definition. Um, so I believe all of those match and then um the actual documents start I went ahead and include I don't normally include the whole document. Um, I probably should have included more in the last one. I apologize but um

33.

Thank you. On 33 is the actual critical area section. It goes through several different um parts. So the first part is sort of the generic general provisions of that you have to do um when you have to do what's called a critical areas report. So any big projects that we believe that there might be wetlands, steep slopes, flood planes, anything to that effect, we require them to do a critical areas report. They have to hire a a biologist that's specialized in that. Um there are few things that are exempt if it's an emergency, if it's already there's some exceptions for single family homes. Um there's some partial exemptions. None of those appear to needed updating. Um so starting on page 40 was again um this uh started adding some of the language that either um I saw that other jurisdictions were updating or the state required. Um so like the idea sometimes we do so like on page 40 the B is a brand new section. Sometimes um a property they know they have a lot of maybe wetlands um or something that hits this. You don't really know what is buildable until you do sort of a critical areas report. So sometimes the property owner who's trying to sell will have a critical areas report done. They want to get the city to sign off on that so they can then sell it with the idea of here the city is already signed off. this is how much is buildable. This is the mitigation you'd have to do. And so this language basically says the city can do that, but it's only valid for five years. So it sort of gives the parameters on how and when we would review that ahead of time. Um page 41,

the idea of no net loss. That's a new um requirement as from the state. This idea that there are times when you do need to maybe you're adjusting different things, but the idea of no not loss. So maybe you're um encroaching over here, but you're going to improve and expand over here. So if they can determine and nutlos may be square footage, it also may be quality. Maybe we're it's really poorly. It's got a lot of invasive species. So we're going to let them encroach over here, but they are going to get rid of all the invasive species over here and they're going to make it a much better higher quality. So sometimes it's square footage, sometimes it's the quality of um in most cases you're talking wetlands, but not always. Um again just some better language. Mitigation sequencing is that idea of if you if a um develop wants to or feels that they need to encroach they have to go through a certain process that says well you know ideally we'd like you to not encroach at all and then it's like okay if you feel like you need to encroach you have to kind of justify it and then these are the steps. The ultimate is something like the state highway where they literally are having to go through wetlands. So they are having to um build wetlands somewhere else. That's like the least res. Um and sometimes you can or certain businesses will pay into a fund um and like so I don't think Pierce County has anything right now, but like King County um you can pay into a fund and that they are using to build wetlands in certain areas and so they may it's kind of credit. So this basically goes through that and that's a requirement. Um, so then like I said, there's not a lot that I note. It didn't feel like we had to. Um, I will see what they come back on. A lot of it was more in the definition section. So

at that point, I will there's any questions. So I think do we just want to kind of tackle a little bit of a section at a time so we can first get into definitions? Are there any questions or comments? Um, that'd be pages 13 through 32. I have a general question. I'm wondering how much of this is actually up to us and how much is word for word from the state? Like, is it worth us going through every paragraph? And I I don't think so. I mean a lot of this is kind of prescribed prescriptive from the state.

Yeah. Um you know so that's our as far as I can tell our buffers are correct our mitigations are right um a lot of this is is that so I don't know that we have a lot of flexibility or that we would know enough expertise to know right

what it should be if it's different. So, if there's any general questions on it, if you feel like you kind of want to scan through it um and have things, that's fine. But I don't see I mean I don't have the expertise myself to always, you know, I'm looking what I am doing is looking at what does the wax say, what are the various state departments telling me. Um I did look at Pierce County, they recently updated theirs, so I went through theirs to see if there was any language that would help us. So, I don't know that there's much we would be able to like suggest, but it does have to come through you guys. Yeah.

Yes. Commissioner Boy. Oh. Uh so um we do fortunately have um them reviewing it now and so possibly by before we make take any action on that we'll have their input on. That's my my hope. Yeah. Okay. And then um are we doing questions? Yeah, please. Um Oh, we're still on definitions. Uh this appears that the definitions are basically housekeeping items. I didn't see any major changes or or anything. It's just kind of a housekeeping type. Yeah, that's like I said, it was all

with their changes. Yeah. Um Commissioner Johnson, I think you had

Yeah. on the definitions. I like the aspect. They're broken down that way because you may be looking for something with an H and you can go to it quickly. Uh the only one thing I noticed here that's different in some of the other areas on page um you start off on page 16 uh under critical aquifer you do list the WAC 365-190 but in some of the other changes to the definitions like on 19 you took it out. So I'm wondering why and on um at the top fish and wildlife the blue had the WAC 365-90 but the references to the Washington area code or Washington administrative code were taken out on certain areas but left on page 16. Was there a reason? It may be that it moved or it may be that I just when I was focused on that area, I handled it differently. So, I will research if um and look at those

just to follow up with some conversations in the past. No. And get back if if um if there was a reason I did that one and not the others. Yeah. Um I know some of it seems like one or two of the sections moved, but that doesn't mean I couldn't put the new put the new ones in. Yeah. just to be safe when it goes to council. Um, but that's all I have on the definition. So, good job though.

Um, I had just a few things that I flagged if it's okay. Um, so like page 15, aquafer recharge areas and it's kind of the same examples as kind of where I noted before is we got rid of the recharge areas are classified as follows and high, moderate and such. Is there and low? Is there a reason we got rid of the types? partially because it felt like um it didn't belong in the definition that was it seemed like that was more of a once you're analyzing it side and those can change. Okay.

Um was and it seems like that wasn't listed um in the state definition. So there we go. aquifer. Um, yeah, because that it seemed like that that's not definition to me as much as like I said, those are classifications. Usually classifications are more in the heart of it. Okay. Not in the or and again they may change depending on what's the most recent um book that they have to look at as reference. So that was my thinking.

Okay. So the intent is just to basically provide the definition but then push them to the source as far as the classifications within it. Okay. Um page 16 critical aquifier or aquaire recharge areas. I just noticed that we removed the whack 365 19082. Is that just basically to update it to 190 or was that a or 19030? I want I want to say that's one that changed. So, but I will I will double check that one as well.

Okay. Um, erosion hazard areas on page 18 was kind of the same thing that I was just asking why it was low, moderate, and high, but it sounds like again that was also just pushing them to the source. Yeah, because I know that things change and those levels change and sometimes like I know one of them um that used to be that they use this book manual from the federals now or the state and then they change it. So it felt like if we put too much in here we might be not in compliance.

Perfect. Um next page 19 I had flagged and kind of highlighted. So within fish and wildlife habitat conservation areas,

it's kind of mid paragraph there, but it says counties and cities may also designate locally important habitat and species. I guess is that something we need to dig into a little bit? Is that something new and is that something that the city actually wants to take on or should we be? So again, the definition is from um I'm assuming it's from the WAC and that's their definition. Um I do not believe we currently have anything. It is something and I don't know if we have anything that is of local importance, but if we chose to look into that, we could.

Okay. I just wanted to make sure that wasn't a loophole to allow. Okay. and and then more classes but that's okay because we already discussed that. Those were my questions and comments. Was there any other questions or comments within definitions and then we can take it into critical areas? And I also want to say I do appreciate and and hearing the reasoning behind breaking all the definitions by letter makes total sense and probably saves you a lot of work later in the long run if we ever have to do more updates. And just on a comment, I'd rather do the opposite in the zoning because the zoning every single definition

is its own little thing and that gets a little cumbersome. Switch it to where it's by letters, but that would be more work. So, we're just Yeah. All right. Um, critical areas article one that that's kind of pages 33 through 49. Um, I think the only thing really added was the whole no net loss portion of it, but did anyone have any questions or comments about that? Yes, Commissioner Johnson.

Uh, page 40. Um, uh, curious as to why we changed the pre-application from is encouraged to rather than shall. Is because you want to wait till the permanent comes in. Um, I don't believe you can require pre-application meetings anymore. Okay. All right.

Any other questions or comments about critical areas? Uh, same same line on page 40. The definition uh next one down uh 18.16120B it says the department shall review and make a written determination of the presence and yada yada yada the classification who is the department. So the department would be the community development department and then I subcontract with our wetland biologist consultant. So, should we you want me to maybe clarify which department we

see? I figure if I don't understand it, there's got to be somebody else out there. Uh uh I think that's it. No more questions. Thanks, Mr. Zo. Any the net area? That's a state requirement. I did have one more. Yeah, go for it. Now, the no net loss um the intent of that is trees go out, trees go back is the basics

of what you're trying and same thing uh you know wetland mitigation. If you're taking this out, you got to put that there. That's what no net loss is the intent. Yeah. And um like I said, sometimes that means actual square footage. Sometimes it means um maybe you're removing a really lowquality wetland, but you are willing to take another low quality and make it a high quality. Gotcha. Okay, fair enough. I just want to make sure I Yep. understood. But yeah, it's the idea that in the end you feel like you haven't lost something.

I guess I should have went to the definitions and I would have understood. Well, if it's not in the definitions, then I better put it in. There's also that. It's just why it's good to have you guys. All right. Article two, wetlands. Let's see. Um, that's page 49 through 58. 49 through 58. I think I'm going crazy because I thought I read this two days ago and I forgot to mark it down. I thought there were two paragraphs in there that had a colon and said the following items and list and there is no list and I'm still trying to find it

that appeared in the design standards part. Thank you. Okay. All right. We work together well because I Oh, the only one I have is on page 75 and this is just a language thing is site uh 1816 640 number a uh shall be prohibited from habitat conservation areas. Is that what page? Uh page 75. 75. And shouldn't it show be prohibited in instead of from? I don't I mean it's just minor, believe me.

18. Catch me up again. Where are we? Page 75. A a alterations prohibited land development and use shall be prohibited from habitat conservation areas. I think it should say in I agree.

Yeah. Okay. I don't Yeah. All right. Um I think after wetlands they're all a bit shorter. So is there anything else as far as articles three, four, five, or six? Does that be pages 59 through 82? Yes, Commissioner Bole. Nope. I'm taking it back to definitions just to make clarification. Which page? Page 17. That department is defined in the definitions. Oh, yet no net loss is not. I will work on that no less net loss one.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program. So on page 67 under geological hazardous areas um the Washington State Department of Natural Resources um encouraged us to put something in that says hey we have information we have database um so um to let people know that there are resources out there. So I I didn't you know they have a specific website but I figure website names change so this was more kind of generic but hopefully let them know that they can go there for assistance.

Yeah. And then fish and wildlife is article five. And then the last one um frequently flooded areas um for now is under the flood damage prevention which is under the building code section. So, it just says go there. So, good job. Good job. Good job. All right, let's Any last like questions, discussions, followup tasks um regarding agenda item 7C. Good job. Good job. Let me just wait for comments from

Yep. So, my like I said, my hope is to bring it back in October. All right. Well, great work. All right. on to agenda item 7D which is a amendments to title 1743 design standards and guidelines um and I think this was specific to multif family areas.

Yeah. So, some of the stuff is so um two two months ago we discussed um you know basically we're starting just a refresher for everybody. We're starting with our uptown design guidelines for the most part and then looking at if we want to expand those into some of the other zones for commercial um office buildings, mixed use and then um for maybe apartment complexes. So, what I pulled out here is those sections that just specifically apply to the multifamily that are not town houses. Um, for the most part, townhouse, some of those things would apply to town houses, but town houses kind of have that single family feel because they're just happen to be attached. These, um, a lot of these would be more for like your traditional apartment multifamily housing. Um, some of them are the same like pedestrian walk walkways, um, slope treatments, stairs, that kind of stuff. Um, but then as you get into, um, I think it kind of gets more into page 90 and 91. Um, specifically 91, it gets into the actual building location. Um, the idea of corner features, blank walls, side screaming. So, it's all very similar. The idea is to give it a little more choices, a little more requirements to make them have a little bit better feel, a little bit more usable. Um, so that it's a good project for those that end up living in it. Um so happy to if there's any parts of these that you want to discuss and then um kind of maybe going forward are we it's a it is it's a large chunk of stuff. I feel like maybe the next step is to kind of if if we're feeling like yes, we like the idea of using the

uptown, this is what it's got, is putting it in a single kind of chunk document that would apply to all the different zones and then kind of go from there. But specifically, we can start with if there's any question, comments. Yeah, let's open it up to the group. Um, Commissioner Nats, would you like to start? We can go first. pressure. [Laughter] Uh the pressure pressure now the pressure evenly.

So uh yeah. Um, so a couple things I was just thinking about randomly and I noticed that we've been um putting I don't want to say cramming, but we've been doing our parking behind the buildings generally. Um, just wondering if that should could become security issues, but I guess that's up to the property owners. So that would be one of my concerns. Um but uh I like the idea of it and also I very much like the idea and I hope this is going to be required is the uh screening techniques for like dumpsters and recycle things and so I'm going to be really big on that. Um but generally uh this is an improvement and uh we've have to uh encourage people to uh developers to stay with the times shall we say. Let's move forward. As much as we like to call it Oldtown or Midtown Oldtown or whatever, uh there's a you know, some people think that um Oldtown might mean rundown, but uh we hope that's not the case. So,

um, real quick, um, realizing one of Susan, uh, Commissioner Johnson's questions, um, relates to the fact that, um, you weren't here at the previous one when I went through how I structured it. So, what I included was the intent and the standards, but I didn't include like all the the options. So, that's why you see those little colons. And so I I felt like this was kind of like this is the higher level. And then it'll say things like you can choose from okay A B CDE E FG but I I felt like for space and for processing on brain I left those off.

I think the whole idea is good. I don't see it happening in my lifetime. I think, you know, we think of when we look Oh, sorry. When we look at the future and you look at uh sci-fi and stuff, how cities change and everything. I think uh looking at this, I feel good because we used to have slant, what do you call it? The lateral wanted to go with lateral parking on the street. And I remember the first time I think it was in Tacoma and it was a lateral but you had to back into it and I thought how in the hell do you back into a space that's a lateral and there's people coming down the road and that's in Tacoma. And so the slanting type I don't like. Um I think the idea of I the one question I have I don't know what you mean by expansion of floor area. Is that within the building or the concept of the lot?

So expansion of floor area would be that you are doing an actual addition and the footprint is growing.

That's right. Okay. And um the aspect of pedestrian walkways I think are so important because I mean sometimes I wish Safeway had built a little bridge over the go through because it's so hard in shopping centers the way they're developed that you have a passing lane right in front of the store when people are trying to park and then come across to the shopping center. It's very dangerous and a crowded time. But the having the walkways, you know, the example you used with the path, having something that somebody can actually it's very good. Um the light lighting is important. I mean, everything in this I think is positive and um the parking in the back doesn't disturb me too much depending on the lighting and the opening. And I I have to say when I go into the comments, I rather park in the front than in the back when you're over behind Target or, you know, in certain areas. I don't because there's less people because everybody parks in the front. Um and uh these I think this is a very good start for us to have a design standard that everybody needs to to follow and to um help the city have a welcoming welcoming welcoming presence and sort of conformity and styles with the businesses. And we're talking really only the businesses and the shopping centers and uh like the uh business neighborhood area, right? So that's the question is do we want to extend this to um all zones

that do all of our business commercial zones um and anything that does uh multifamily. Okay. Yeah. Um and then I guess the other side is do we does it go need to apply to the I would assume it doesn't apply to the manufacturing. Okay.

Unless we the other the alter we have two alternatives. You can do it by zone or you could do it by I mean the building portion you could do per type of building. I mean if they're putting in a Yeah. If you're putting in a warehouse it doesn't make sense to do a lot of this. If they're putting in a car lot, maybe it does or Well, is there one question that Milton would want to say? What is the image and the view we want to present as a city? Do we want everything to look different or is there a tone that we want

in apartment buildings and in businesses? You have to give some flexibility in single family. Um, but That's, you know, some cities have a personality based on the buildings in the city. And this will that the hope is to to provide within those broad categories and those standards um some flexibility so they don't all look the same. But the idea that you're you're create yes that you're creating a place that people feel like, okay, I can safely walk,

right? and there's some vegetation and there's some landscaping and um some ideas like that. So, well, the one thing I want to insist on is that there should not be any vegetation that blocks egress from a parking lot if you're trying to turn left or right because we have that problem in this city. Yeah. And uh and it's not supposed to

No, they're supposed to have no higher than four feet like back to And then the other thing is how about is tin I saw the most interesting building recently. The wall outside was not wood. It was tin that looked like metal that looked like wood. So I mean it was absolutely I did know they made the metal to look just like wood. Where is this?

I can't tell. But I think it's great. And I'm thinking is that the reason I bring that up is because on page 93 we talk about buildings and I could see apartment buildings having something like that if it's it just because what's so expensive now and someday we're not going to have it maybe and so uh they're doing so much with what is it planking and different is that what they call it but I I just thought it was wood and it was not wood. Yeah. There's some Allura panels and stuff like that, like stone panels that look really nice.

And don't get me wrong, I want flexibility. I don't want to be a homeowners association for the city. But, you know, it's keeping it friendly, open, and nothing where a person could be pulled to the side into an alley, things like that. And I'm done. Thank you. Uh, yes, Commissioner Buoa. Um couple uh comments that you had brought up. Um director, it was um car lots. If we were going to have a car lot, how could you encourage parking in the rear when all the cars are going to be in the front? I think side is an option as well, right? Yeah.

Yes. Um let me go to uh let me pop up. I'm thinking, let me double check the use table. Um, and if it applies, allow I mean, would you have a car lot and a multif family or mixed use structure? So, no, but we were talking about doing it like in the uptown. It gets a little challenging when you do things like car washes, let me tell you. Uh, just a side note, I curbshotted the new car wash with my wheel. Uhoh. I was telling everybody, "Be careful coming out of there. That curb." Yeah,

it's a turn and you're going to get it. And I got it. Uh, so get it. Yeah. I heard my wife on the camera when the guy came to fix it said, "I didn't do it." Was the first thing she said, "I didn't do it." Um, so what about um, and this may go beyond of what we're talking about is um, and sometimes it's forgotten and sometimes it's not and it's becoming more prevalent is uh, EV charging stations and I mean that's more it's more in parking requirements I'm sure but it's in the code for EV. Yeah, we limit that there of energy code now.

There's an EV code in there. Yeah. And I think we um did I hear a rumor they're going in by Safeway? So they I'd have to look exactly how the electric vehicle we allow it in certain aspects when it's we allow it I think as an accessory not as a primary. Yeah. So like if You know, Safeway wants to have a couple EVs, that's fine, but you couldn't just have one lot that that's you're trying to make money off of it or something is you can't the city like a gas station of EV like say they have 100 parking spots. The city can't require two. We could. We don't currently. Oh,

but we could. I don't think we've gotten to that point yet. Um so okay looking through this my thinking is um it makes sense for the um town center mixed use the uptown mixed use and the neighborhood commercial. It probably doesn't make sense yet for manufacturing or business partially because the business we're hoping in the next year or two to have like a a sub area plan where we would figure out what it looks like.

So I would say and then if the um and then the Yeah. So the ur and the urban res so the urban residential multifamily town center uptown and neighborhood commercial that it would apply to those four zones. Um, I'll work on um kind of a new one and basically take our existing uptown and sort of make it more expansive, try to incorporate what I've heard over the last couple um meetings and over the last couple year or two as people have talked design. Um, that's going to take time. Um, and as my new buzzword is competing priorities in my life,

right? So this is not a rush on this and plus we'd have the opportunity to hear from our other commissioners too because they weren't here. So last time it's possible I won't bring this back till probably I'm thinking at this point January as crazy as this year is flying by. Um obviously in October I'll bring back the critical areas. Um, I could possibly I'll look and see what other if there's something else that makes sense

or maybe we take November and December off. Did I say that out loud? No. with the part that Commissioner Bole brought up about the covering of trash bins and stuff. There's nothing we can do at this point on businesses that are in existence of putting a a a blinder around gar not garbage but

not without them changing something. And so that that is one thing I have heard is we would like to find ways to um sort of cause some improvements and usually that's tied to they come in and they're going to expand, they're going to approve, they're going to remodel, then sometimes we can require them to then upgrade certain other things. So, I will look for those um opportunities that we can build in here that says, you know, great, you're going to remodel and it's going to whether it's based on value, based on square footage, based on the percentage of the law, something and then say, okay, with that, you will need to improve these certain areas.

For now, they're kind of grandfathered in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, basically build in triggers. So, we'll I'll look for some triggers that we can build in. And I know like I know that it's been a big discussion about some sort of pedestrian in like the Safeway complex, the ACE complex of um getting some pedestrian crosswalks or striping or something. Stripe. Yeah. Whether even if it's just striping and slightly raised or something to give people a a better safer feel. So again, we need those things to trigger. Um and so we'll look for those as well.

Yeah. Um, did you have any comments yet, Commissioner Zaro?

I am wondering, um, historically, has the city hired an architect or AR design consultant to look at this as a whole and provide feedback? I feel like we each have our own taste and priorities and it's so difficult to list them all out in a way that is comes across effectively. Um I don't know how realistic that would be but you know a professional. So that's kind of why my I'm sort of using so whenever they did the uptown design guidelines that would have been done by a consultant

and that's sort of why I'm starting with that

um with the idea that I think it could expand and so and then again yeah and some of it is to add options so their personal you know each project can have a little bit of but you know things like you know you at least you can't have a solid wall more than so many feet long you need to break it up with certain things. Um, I do know from my own experience, you know, like I know Furrest did a minor version of this and that's where I previously did. So, I looked at some of his stuff. Um, so that was kind of my thinking so that we didn't have to go out is use what we have and just sort of expand it a little bit or or alter it a little bit.

Yeah, it is. That's a very good question because uh it is it was consultants that gave this to us and we picked through it and rifled through and and it is like well I don't like that but you like that and you get into that but there wasn't too much of that because it was such a drastic change from what the city looked like. I mean, we were literally stuck in the 70s and so um this was probably 2006 or whatever when we did that and uh so it's been 20 years. So I mean it's uh different things change, trends come and go and things like that. So it's good to do something like this and you know we can look at it and go no I don't want it to look like Shaky's pizza. I do not want it to look like that. you know, but in the 70s you were like, "Man, Shaky's Pizza looks that place is cool." You know, uh, so things change and this is this is good. I don't see any drastic changes, but

um, you know, you go down to Arizona and things and you can't find a sign to go into Walmart. You have to really look for the signs because everything's low and no neon and Oh, really? Uh, yeah. So there's a lot of areas out there that are like that that they near Sedona. Yeah. Be so high and things like that. Um over their door. All right. I have Thank you for that question.

Yeah. I have a few comments. So on path pedestrian pathways minimum average width, we said something about established specifics. Um, so I know ADA requires 36 inch minimums as long as you have a 60 foot return every 60 ft or something like that. So I don't know if we just want to reference ADA standards so that we just always stay in there or if we want to So that's page 86 where it's red and says establish specifics or I'm okay with just saying like 36 or 60.

Um, The rest of my highlights were a little bit of double checking. Oh, um, switching over to page 91 for screening techniques. Um, so that's number three on page 95. Um, we put 100% site obscuring. I'm wondering if we should reduce that to like 80 or 85 just because I didn't know if 100% was realistic. That was just my random. I don't know if anyone's okay with that. I think that picture below of the fence, I wouldn't call that 100% right.

Sorry, what are we on? Um, page 91. 91. Sorry. Um, screening techniques is the third down. We just said screening shall be 100% sight obscuring. I'm just wondering if we should reduce that to like 85% just so that it's reasonable. I don't know. So I guess the question there is are you do you want like the picture on the left is like it's just a wall of some sort or versus the one on the right where it's just a fence and that really doesn't screen anything. So

like a chain link with privacy slats in it. And I guess to me, I was just thinking that there are situations where I'd be okay with that. Or if it's a perforated panels or something like that, then I just want to make sure it's Yeah, I get what you're saying. So restrictive. The slats are usually the way they go with the chain link. And then uh you can kind of see what's in there, but that's about it. So I don't Is that not Is that not 100%? you know, it's Yeah, I guess I would too that that's it's not a very um attractive those don't wear very well. They start looking

beat up pretty soon if you're just doing slats in a fence versus actually having to build a structure whether that's wooden structure or cement structure. So that was plus it secures it better in a way too to keep debris from flying. Yeah, I can compare and see what other cities do. Okay. I just to me for some reason thinking 100% just I I don't think you would push through like no I can see it when I

put a lid on that too or something like that all of a sudden because it's like well that's downhill or just something dumb. Um so that's why I was kind of like well just for the sake of long term. Um moving down to buildings close to sidewalk under multif family building design page 91. Um, so this is saying like maximum 10 foot setbacks and stuff like that. Are these setbacks, so I'm thinking of like you're in an apartment building and stuff like that. Are these setbacks just from the rideway or are these like within the apartment complex if that makes sense? Because I'm just thinking if you had an apartment complex, it might make sense to allow at least 20 feet, which would be like standard parking stall if you're within it. But I just wasn't sure if the intent

No. And this is where we get into that discussion of is this too much? Um cuz I just know it sucks when you go to a multif family community and there's no guest parking because they just try to cram in as many buildings. I don't know. So the guest parking we'll have to get to when we get to the parking section. Yeah. Um because that really depends on how many Yeah. Or I am thinking like if it is like a townhouse

for lack of a better term like sometimes you're going to have it where it's inset. So, I said, I can understand where if we're just trying to get away from the rightway stuff, but then once you're within the community, if it's a multif family complex, um maybe allowing Yeah. And that might Let me look into those more. Okay. Um and see, yeah. Is it is it sort of picturing a community that really has streets and so you want those houses sort of up front because they're townhousey like but like you said a more traditional it may not that may not make sense. So

well if you're going to require parking in the back that puts the building in the front. Well when we're talking about like the apartments in Edgewood and it encourages well this is multif family so this is covering all multif family. So that's why I'm trying to make sure are we talking about just stuff that's abudding the rightway or are we talking within the community you know do is it do they have garages which would be different than Yeah. And it encourages by having the building close it encourages the walkability which is kind of our goal. I get what they're I get why it's like that. Same thing if like I've always said if you look at u uh uptown coffee you know everything's right up to the sidewalk and

and it is hard to know how much of this is designed for more a more urban setting you know like if you're in Tacoma those apartments are on the sidewalk and then they'll have parking underneath right that may that doesn't necessarily work here so yeah there has to be some a little give a little like okay what makes sense for here where more of what we're getting is, you know, we're going to do this whole huge acreage. So, there's really internal driveway access, but that's not necessarily sidewalks and city street. So, yeah, let's Okay. Yeah. As I'm reading this, it's kind of one of those where it's like, am I supposed to read it this way or this way? We should be clear on which way we're trying to to

you know we don't want to make regulations that just don't make it restrictive or so restrictive or so okay um key corners on the next page page 92 I guess does the group have any ideas on what key corners that one just blew my mind you know it's like are we talking Yuma Taylor and uh I mean are we just saying any corner that has a street light because we only have so many. Every corner is important. Um um yeah, that won't

so maybe that's something we chew on a little bit, but I wasn't sure if the group had any idea of any key corners or if we wanted to get rid of that language. Well, I think the business area definitely residential. I mean, if you were in like the town center or something, it probably would make sense like any corners abing me way or Well, again, okay, I assume. Yeah. So, we can bring it back with a map of the different areas and kind of think through.

Okay. I think I mean for me on the just right off real quickly on when you think of standards applying to corners again it has to do what we have already in a way and it's not always areas the right is keeping the visual down everybody has to have not a privacy fence up close to the corner where somebody can't see around it or bro grow grow stuff that you can't see because at a corner you're merging you're coming out and um It would be nice if, you know, we don't have neighborhoods with names. In Milton, we're all just one big neighborhood. So, usually in a place that's big and you have subdivisions within the main area, they have the corner coming into this area.

Yeah. The monument sign that says that area. They do that in Virginia a lot, but we really don't have that in the residential areas. But standards for planning 20 feet away. So you can see around the corner is important. Um so it sounds like that's something we just need to think about and come back to.

Um and then the next page 93 we talk about primary resident residential entrances. Um, so again, I just wasn't sure if we were talking about if this was like the main office lobby entrance or if this was entrances to all of the residences as far as um how that the the intention there must have cut some of my pictures out. Um town houses.

Yeah, some of them actually have like um the apartment is along the street and their interest is actually directly go out onto the sidewalk, but I don't know if that that's so urban. It's very more urban than I think we are. And I don't see us having those streets that would do that. So there's, like I said, so there's parts of these. I mean, it's one thing if you're doing like town houses or something,

but yeah, it does feel like some of these things don't unless we're really redo I mean, if someone want you know, if we could really redo all of the town center, it could be really cool, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. And so it's going to be peacemeal. And if we're peacemailing it, I don't know how likely that is. Yeah. Yeah. But do we want to put it it I mean to look are we looking now for the future? So trying to define this is the goal like the vision aspect it was done what in 2006 the first vision I don't know somewhere in there. Okay. And maybe it's um

might have been a little later. Maybe it's providing more guidelines of when things apply and when they don't apply. Yeah. in these certain situations, this would make sense. But if you're doing this type of because it kind of says it already, like if it's a townhouse, it doesn't apply. Maybe we need to look and see if there's other types that wouldn't. When would it these certain things apply and when they wouldn't?

Yeah, because if I read a lot of this as um any entrances that are budding the rightway or facades on the rightway, then a lot of these standards make sense. But then once you get within a community, if it's two or three buildings within the community and they're not all facing um Taylor or whatever, then it's like, well, I don't I'm not going to be as strict about this stuff cuz in theory I'm kind of just driving by it and

not walking it as much or or you know, I'm not trying to encourage people to like cut through neighborhoods essentially, you know. Um, so that's what I had for primary residences is just that it didn't seem like it made sense for individual residents entrances unless there was something specific I was missing. Um, and then materials, I wasn't sure why we were so restrictive on materials on page 95. As far as like I've seen some really cool buildings that have bigger panels that are larger than 9 square feet. Um, as far as like Sumar High School, we did those big panels. Um, also same with like reflective glass and vinyl sighting. I wasn't sure if there was a specific reason we were trying to specifically state that those weren't allowed in multif family zones because those are like reflective glass I could see being used if let's say you had like a gym on the first floor or if you had parking below, you know, and then you move up from there. And then vinyl sighting also just for four flexes or 10 flexes. Those that's a good sighting material. So I wasn't sure the intent there.

Yeah, that was what's in the uptown. So this is good to bring up that maybe technology has changed or is the idea that we just don't want a solid wall, but if it was textured it would be fine. So yeah, that's a great way to something to look at to see if there's some alternatives. Right. Okay. Okay. And then same with like windows section. Again, I just the transparent windows was one where I'm like, well, there's times that you want what's transparent windows? So, they're basically saying in here that they need to be transparent, like you can see inside the windows, but there's times that you have like mirrored windows or something like that where you see your own reflection. And I'm um thinking or they have like a security glazing or something so you can't see in

one way windows versus both way windows. And when I think of like gyms or personal services or counseling, you know, counseling or eyebrow threading or something, you know, something like that, it's like I don't necessarily want to see inside every window. So, and we now have sort of window rules a little bit. So, yeah. So, that was again where I just Yeah, we'll have to look at some of that. Or if for some reason we did have residential windows on the first floor, I could totally see someone not wanting people looking into their living rooms watching football. You put curtains. Yeah. What? That's why you have curtains. Yeah. Yep. Yes. But they're rentals and then they got to pay to have that repaired and have those

because you can't say, you know, reflective glass is not allowed. And then actually we do it says reflective glass not allowed, right? But then you're going to take away the transparent windows. No, we're saying you have to have transparent windows. Yes. So you can't have reflective glass and transparent windows. Get me? No. Because reflective glass you can't see in. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not allowed. And then transparent windows shall be required. So you can't really change those. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah,

I got you. Oh, can I get while I got the while I just totally interrupted be u You're good. Can we go back real quick to um the screening? Oh, heavy sigh over here. My back hurts. She's like, if we must back hurts. Dan with this guy. Okay. Uh uh sorry, page 91 the screening techniques. Y

when we were talking about the 100% sight obscuring, you know, it does say above um they use the terms uh fully screened, which may be better if we could fit that in there versus 100% sight obscuring. Just say fully screened. It's just an option. Yeah. I just wanted to get that before we got too far. That's all I got. Do you want a top on it as well? What a top? Uh, no. We got to The rat's got to get in and out somehow. That's true. Yeah. And I guess we could with screening techniques instead of just saying 100% should say screening shall be sight obscuring and then you can I don't know.

You can require above screening if it's next to um like if there's a if like you had tall apartments. Sometimes they do say if it can be seen from a up above you would have to put a top over as well so that they don't have to look down at your garbage touch the rat seat versus at grade. So uh something to do with the seagulls or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Um so yeah, those were kind of more my comments is that I think we need to get with multifamily. I don't know if just copying and pasting straight over from uptown quite applies unless we're just talking about right away versus within within the communities and what the intent is. That's kind of my overarching thought on that.

Okay. Um did I have any other comments? Nope. That was it for me. Anybody else? or 7D. All right. Once, twice. Okay. On to staff reports. Um, reminder that next month is on Tuesday, October 7th, because they start setting up for the craft bazaar on Wednesday. Okay. And so, this is our one bump. Um, if you do ever mess with our code online, it is been upgraded. I like it. It's You do. Hope you do.

Yeah, because you can print right from it. It's so easy. It's got some nice little um It's got those shortcuts people are used to like sharing and downloading and stuff. Um, you pop out the tables and stuff. So, um, it just it's code publishing. It's an updated software. Um, On a side note, it's actually got some extra benefits too for staff. We actually have a login. So, we have an ability to sort of um save things or compare to other cities really easy or actually even make notes like here, don't forget this other section that also applies or something. So, that's been kind of nice.

Um other than that, um nothing new. Definitely quite a few pre-application meetings if possible. um development, but I don't think we have anything in new for the that since the last time. Okay. Uh commissioner reports. Can I ask her a question? Sure. Uh what was your uh feedback on the your booth at Milton Days? Did you have a lot of interest? Same as every year interest.

Actually, the So, at um Milton Days, we had a when I told the mayor we had a I was going to have a tree, she thought I meant like a real tree. Um, I had a like bulletin board tree with a bunch of leaves and we were just asking people to put um why trees are important, why they like trees, what's valuable about trees. I had a lot of people engaged which was really fun. Um, a lot of kids said oxygen, so obviously their science classes are telling them that.

Um, but yeah, a lot of real positive stuff um about that. kind of engaged a little bit that we're, you know, wanting to um kind of identify our urban, you know, an urban forestry plan. Um I did find also that it looks like the city adopted an urban forestry plan like 20, 30 years ago. So um I will look at that at some point when again when I have time. Somebody really draw a chainsaw on one of those leaves. I do believe someone drew a chainsaw. I don't know. It's probably some spiky blondhaired guy always up to something. So, and then um it's always fun. We always do a map that likes people put where they live or work.

And so that was really fun. People got excited. They they just I need to make it next year. We're going to make it spread out more because we get a lot of people from um farther out. You know, I sort of have like Edgewood and F, but they really get out to Federal Way and stuff. So, we're going to make it a little more distant and stuff. So, that was fun, too. Um, but overall I thought, yeah, it was a great success and we had a lot of great conversations with people and nobody I kind of figured it'd be an opportunity for people to complain about stuff and I don't think I had any complainers so it was really really a positive day. Check you out. All right. Uh, commissioner reports. I'll start with Commissioner Zaro. I've got nothing.

Nothing. Boil.

Uh, yeah. I want to thank staff uh and the powers that be for the development status reports that we get and also our paper packets. Uh I just love to scribble and and a computer does me absolutely no good. Uh so thank you for that. Um Milton days. Yeah, Milton Days. It was fun. Uh I was just curious uh from staff how that went for them. Uh it was filled with fun and games and this and that and the other and the weather gave us some challenges on Friday night. People were getting stuck Saturday morning and uh tents blowing over and things like that, but it just it's just part of uh Milton days. You never know what's going to happen and uh but total success. Um I can't wait for next year. Um I have a lot of fun. Um, and there was what else was Oh, can somebody clarify? We said that we're not having a 807 meeting or a a 10:07 meeting. We're having What day is our next meeting?

October 107. Oh, it is October 7th. Okay. It's Tuesday instead of Wednesday. It's a Tuesday though. Oh, okay. Good. Good. Thank you. Right, Commissioner Johnson. Um, Milton Days was great. The MC was wonderful as always. And it was 1905, but we didn't become a city till 1907 when the post office came. Yeah. Well, okay. So, anyway, I say you were here. Yeah, I was. Okay. That's what I thought. I thought I got one in there. Now, it's just trying to get back publicly.

Um, well, I have a question, please. Um, oh, I did enjoy my vacation. Sorry, I missed I had the co at one point and then I went on vacation for three weeks and it reset my mind. So, be careful for the rest of the year, right? Um parking when we get to looking at the zoning on parking will involve easement aspects with that as well. Where is that anything that planning can look at regarding easements? Okay. Then second off,

you're talking the rideway. That's all parking rules that are done by like the police enforced by the police department and stuff. That's not really a zoning thing.

So, and so what are parking changes would not Okay, I'll look into that later. Is there any way that we would in our area deal with home occupations and the rules required underneath there? I know we have a section in the code um that may I think needs to be enhanced on home occupations and is that something we can add to a conversation at the study session to say is that something we want to look at or if anybody sees is that an issue I've just had a couple people coming to me on some home occupations. The question would be are they legal homeware occupations or they're illegal home occupations. If they're are if they're illegal then it's just a compliance issue and we're probably

you know so um but if you want to go I'm if you I'm h happy to meet um to discuss what your concerns are so we can identify is it something that I think the code needs to change or is it something that a code already identifies and we just are having compliance you know that we need to continue to violate. So, and if you feel like it is something that the code needs to change, then you could recommend it um for the next planning commission work plan

when we discuss things later on when we try to pick up next year's topics. Right. Okay. Um there was something else. I'm going to say that's it for tonight, but thanks for the work you did on this. I think the way you've done it, it's been and and all this again to go back the staff was incredible. The public works staff at Milton days, especially after the flood of Noah that came the night before. Somebody sent me a picture. Somebody there was a van stuck in the mud right in the middle of the park. Y and I was like, "Really? I don't need this right now. It's only 8:30 in the morning." Y but uh they took care of it. public works are awesome.

Yeah. No comments for me other than uh maybe welcome here soon, maybe get a chair here. Um but yeah, no comments for me. So next meeting again is Tuesday, October 7th.