Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

States of America andice make sure we're recording says recording the thing is not gray I think we're good okay sounds good I always forget which side I need to be on with this um going into roll call commissioner Bole here Vice chair Wayan here commissioner sweat um abs called in commissioner Johnson absent called in commissioner Zara here oh and this is no longer Vice chair ol I did the AMS right I just didn't do the agenda correct okay and chair Elliot present uh so with that we've got four today which means we still have a quorum any additions deletions or corrections to tonight's agenda we got to move excuse I'll move to excuse commissioner SWAT Johnson and oler from tonight's meeting perfect um second second all those in favor I okay motion passes I always forget back and forth whether or not we go through the motions I've apologize if I moved too fast and skipped that um so additions deletions or corrections to tonight's agenda once twice all right um um public participation we have no one in the audience today hello public on camera hope we're working and that moves us to approval of minutes first step is December 11th 2024 this one got shifted to tonight's meeting because we wanted to make sure that we added the public participation list um of commenters uh I make a motion to approve

the minutes for Wednesday December 11th 2024 second all right we have a motion and it's been seconded to approve the minutes of December 11th 2024 all those in favor I all those oppose motion passes unanimous uh next meeting is Jan um minutes to review are January 8th 2025 I move to approve the minutes for Wednesday January 8 202 2025 excuse me all right motion has been made and seconded all those in favor I I all those opposed right then moving into agenda item 6A Planning Commission Retreat um so um it was discussed or it was requested by planning commissioner Wayan to discuss if the Planning Commission was interested in a retreat and so that is the first item okay um is there any budget for that there is so the Planning Commission does have a small budget for both we could do it for the Planning Commission for retreat or if there was any training that planning Commissioners felt they wanted to to do we would be able to there is a small budget for that so great so I'll open it up for group discussion as far as um getting an idea of if we're in favor of the idea of a retreat potential topics and kind of what season that may be good for getting started off with you Tom Mr will uh I can't really do much from June to October okay uh for extra stuff but um sometimes I'm available Saturdays if we

have a sometimes we've done it on a Saturday afternoon before or Saturday morning uh you know I think if uh we can get uh a list of things to discuss usually it's just a couple three things that we can all go over and uh and get it done in a couple three hours it's always nice it's a good how do you say it it's a good group bonding experience uh to be kind of a little bit unofficial in a way and a little bit of Loosey Goosey um and I've always enjoyed our retreat um you know coffee Donuts or whatever and uh just kind of get stuff off our chest and maybe talk about things kind of think it'd be more effective if we did this um in the in a November time when we're getting ready to prepare for our work plan um it may be a little give the U director a little more insight into what we want and then give her time to run that through and see if maybe one or two items fits for the work plan for the following year so just something maybe for the end of this year uh to think about okay great um I know you're probably newer to the group and haven't been through a retreat but do you have any ideas or feedback as far as what interest or disinterest you about the idea um I would just like to get an idea of what historically that involves is that an annual thing um and what has that looked like before a little bit of hazing new people hazing part so we've done I think we did one that was a little bit of why are we like we did one

with framework did we do one yeah I think that's the only one we've done that I know of in the so tried to do some training of reminders of how meetings work and how to make the Planning Commission is efficient and then at the time since we were doing the comp plan framework did a lot of um did some again informal discussions of what people might vision and see and so um we didn't sit it we tried to sit down below and not have it up here so um yeah so part of it would be if there was topics that everyone wanted and then yeah it's an opportunity to be less formal still official that it's yeah less and we can always Circle back if we want to um get some of your input and stuff um historically uh it's been an opportunity for staff to really uh offer some training on um how we function what our scope of work could be resources so it's it it's uh it's something that's functioned to serve many purposes but as was said earlier it's largely an opportunity to just uh get to know each other better set goals uh I mean even the work plan survey that's at the end of our uh agenda I mean that's that would be the sort of thing we'd be talking about scoping things out so that idea of perhaps November thinking about gee what do we think and why um might be an appropriate time and thing to think about uh it's not an urgent thing but it's just it's just every once in a while while it comes up as you know how could we work better or um what could we do to to dig in and make it a more meaningful thing or start exploring other GE should we be

meeting uh twice a month six months a year it's it's sort of that uh just look into how we're working and how to work better kind of thing so it doesn't happen every single year and um there's been times when there have been a lot of new Commissioners and staff has used it as an opportunity to uh do training you know like a short course on local planning so you know now so much of that is readily available online so it's we just haven't had one in a while it's sort of the last one we had plann was um dedicated to all of us sitting with uh laptops and uh learning how to work with con cono is that how you say it yeah we've yeah we've had a couple extra meetings where we that weren't as informal but yes we were either focused on the plan or we did do some discussion of meeting stuff so I had just brought it up as a gee we haven't done it for a while is it something worthwhile and you know it's it it's not a crucial crucial thing but yeah um so yeah I uh my opinion I I do like the idea of doing something a little less formal um I'm also kind of peak season as far as June through October is tougher for me to commit to so I like the idea of November or may or November um November sounds like it's kind of aligning with the idea of that also being a chance for us to look at work plan I think that'll also align well with if it's after the election then we may have a better idea of council members mayor and and all of that too so um and how that may impact us going into the next year so hearing majority of interest is for something maybe in the

fall thinking of a work you know seeing what we accomplished this year and um what might be the next chunk to tackle yeah yeah yeah it's never ending and I like the idea too of uh of us passing along to each other different resources uh for you know topics that we're talking about sometimes it's right there you know it's so easy to you know even go into different cities that are similar to ours that's always a good resource and see what kind of see what they're doing and stuff like that little tricks of the trade yeah okay yes another time I can remember uh the group taking a tour of the city together so sort of a visioning kind of kind of a gee what do you think it's going to be like in 2060 so it's it it was just a just a not like I said a critical thing but um perhaps we come and visited again in July and think about it um as something that might serve a need for the group to function better and um U really explore what what things are going to look like cuz boy it's changing fast well and something that might be thinking of that um you know one of the things that we've we dis the Planning Commission put in the comp plan and has discussed is um taking a look at Pacific Highway and doing a sub area plan and you know we sort of set that aside for visioning so that could be something too to that might be a topic to start thinking about or even have like you said maybe a a mini really look at what's out there and what's melting and what's not and I know

that uh that light rail May really be impacting it and it will yeah goes yeah and depending on where it ends up aligning um can affect how we have to work around them or force them to do stuff or something okay okay well it sounds like you've got some ideas and we can table this till July is to start looking at what we want to do in either October november-ish so with that that takes us to agenda item 6B which is another discussion topic and I'll turn it over to staff yeah and this one um when I got into it it really ended up I think it's actually a very could be a very simple um code change to make us compliant with the requirements of the co- living um and so this is um so this is based on ESB 1998 basically cities have to allow cold living houses and I sort of put a couple of what I found as other cities definitions um and then on page 12 um now theoretically it doesn't have to take a fact until December 31st 2025 so we have the year um but for the most part the state just basically says you have to allow it um you can't regulate it too much um you can do um basically the parking is 0.25 per sleeping unit um it can't be any the standards can't be any more restrictive than other multif family buildings in the same zone so I think the um simple fix is to have a definition that we would add to our definition section and

then we just add co-living to our anything that allows um multifam so the two mixed use the multif family the urban residential multif family and the neighborhood commercial and then as part of our off street parking requirements we just add in that for co- living it's a 0.25 space per sleeping unit so I think it's that one appears to be pretty straightforward so the idea of a sleepy I mean it's sort of that old you know the idea that instead of having to have um you would create an Essence it's multif family but instead of each unit having everything maybe they have a mini kitchenet or maybe they don't have a kitchen at all maybe you know it's kind of the dorm room feel or the old boarding house feel um it just allows another variety of um housing for people who can't afford a lot so um so if there's any comments on that if we're comfortable with this um we can you know like I said it doesn't necessarily have to be adopted until the end of the year so we could um since we're not doing parking till later we could hold you know we could do it now we could hold off we could do the both you know the two things the uses and the definition now and then the parking later we could do it all later when we do the parking um if there was any tweaking to the definition that that anyone had um but I I think this one's after researching it's pretty straightforward and I it's not going to be something that there's going to be a ton of there might be it's just again providing various options for people um so I guess we'll start off just opening it up for discussion commissioner Wayan uh so um thank you for bringing us uh forward and helping us get in compliance

with state law um one of the things that I um there were a lot of little questions that that popped up but among them was it seems there's so many words or terms you know boarding house uh residential Suites micro housing micro Suite it was just wow there's so many ways to try to deal with this concept and I noticed that one of the definitions actually talked about square footage as a way to lineate the type of Housing and so I haven't really settled in on a what's a good definition particularly when I read the ordinance uh or the legislation um I sort of pulled the ordinance definition but then tried to make it a little more understandable was my goal yes and it says so yeah it says it can't require room dimensions larger than what required by the State Building Code I was afraid and so that part of that is like that theoretically could change so if we put a number in here then we have to change it if State Building Code had changed so that was the that was the thinking behind at least not putting a specific number and the other uh the thing that uh came to my attention right off was on page 16 of our packet and I really appreciate the legislation being included it just saved searching for it but uh it mentioned major Transit stop on line number 34 and then it defines major transer Transit stop on page 18 line 13 and I got to thinking it seems like every time the state does something

they've got a new Twist on what they mean by Major Transit stop you saw that too okay so that was a point of just How would how will it work because of where this is because we did some changes in the zoning title right when it came into the um emergency housing shelter there was stuff about what a major stop was and I know we adopt it and of course I don't think it's on it's not on the uh site yet yeah not on the site yet and of course this is my backup um let me see if I can find I'm sure I've sent the email to people so let me see if I can find it real quick that I was assuming I thought I checked that the definition was basically what we've what they're using in other things but there's always a chance that they change it and then they contradict themselves and then we all have to figure it out so so it seems that when they use the term depending upon the legislation it really can vary um relative to parking visions and such so and maybe instead of looking into it in detail now it's just it was a question that came up um because uh in the package that we just completed last year it was there's two different definitions for Transit stops uh already in the code um and then the question on the co- living um being able so it's on page 18 they provide a definition for cohab housing so we have to do at least that definition correct we can't um but we could enhance ours is that corre I think as long as you're not um being more restrictive so would we change our definition or add to our definition to add those examples such as what the state

did because the thing I'm uh in my mind and I think it's because we've done a package together of the co-housing and the unit lot development so it's still it was a lot to get settled out in my head of is this ownership is this rental is it both are we creating um motels what you know what are we because when I think boarding house it it could be a three-month rental or long term so um I I think it's just be having a little more clarity on things and I need to do more homework to understand it but I can see the merits of keeping it simple getting compliance but I just didn't want to leave too big a opening um for something that may be not quite what we want or the everpresent unintended consequence yeah um so so those were um I'd love to hear what other people have to say but those were the two things that came up for me um anyone else want to speak I guess I'll go ahead to you know at first glance this would be something um especially now that I'm getting into construction on some of these in like the university area where I'm like who would ever want to do this but now that my son's 18 and I start thinking of like oh when he's back what's going to be affordable for him in the area um and knowing that the kids now are just door dashing don't cook as often um they don't need as much home space because there's more community space it it starts to make sense his apartment for next year is really a co-living situation where it's five individual

leases for this one unit so each one has a lease for their own room so that they're not St stuck in a you know roommate situation pointing fingers at each other they each have their own leases and then they have like a shared kitchen space and living room and stuff like that so it's one of those things that you know I typically go into these with the mindset of you know my 40-year-old self and but then starting to reset and go what does that look like if I'm just out of college or just out of high school or if I just moved to the area and need somewhere to live while I'm checking out the the neighborhoods and figuring out where I want to land long term um stuff like these start to make more sense to me so I actually kind of like that we're looking at more ways to find affordable housing throughout the state um yeah we're actually my my daughter has a friend that we are trying to help him he's ver in essence he's been um homeless and kind of has staying with people and again he's a you know part-time job kind of thing and something like this would be perfect for him yeah because he doesn't need he just needs a a space to be safe and sleep and and lock a door if he had a microwave he'd be thrilled you know yeah so there are again it's yes so you have to think about that there it's the idea of variety that there are some people this would be ideal for I wouldn't it it's not where I am at in life but there are times in life would be yeah um and again it also could be on the other end there are you know as people get older you know maybe they're still somewhat self-sufficient but they don't they can't afford a lot so it would allow them you know some of these would theoretically could be designed for

people who are 55 and older or something so yeah um I will double check the major Transit stop that they didn't add or subtract or you know add anything that we now have to add to ours um yes if you think of it you know kind of like I said I kind of started with their definition and then sort of tried to kind of keep with the intent but try to make it not quite as I just felt like there was a few things I liked how some of the other people wrote it so um but we can adjust as we need to okay yeah and I I do foresee more of this type of housing um become or in the the moderate density areas becoming more popular as we get more public transit coming down this way um or if our extension campuses like udep Tacoma or Pierce College start expanding and people can't afford to live in town that these start becoming more and more options um continuing down the oh yes please sorry G make sure Anda I have anything to add I like the definition um I like short site and I think it makes sense um but overall think it's exciting more options are better yeah commissioner boo uh uh to add on to what uh Vice chair whan was saying is in this draft code definition it does state that it's they are independently rented on there so and I agree that that is that's important to specify that and then um the only question I had is you know and we're going to probably get into this later on is as part of the parking amendments add

0.25 spaces per sleeping unit um shouldn't it be 75 because I think three4 of the people own vehicles in the world between the ages rental ages of of 18 to 70 that one I think we're stuck with oh who's the genius who come up with that math well again I think not there are I mean there are people who would rent these who wouldn't drive there are people who do um but a lot of times take overall I would be curious to see how many of the 18 when we were growing up everyone had a car I think if you looked at the cars for those that are in for like if you looked at Tacoma for 18 to 25 it's a lot less because the bus systems there I realize Milton pushes that because we don't have as much of that but there's a lot of there's less people who have cars at younger ages that just don't even have driver's licenses I it shocked me when I was working at the mall as an adult manager going what do you mean you don't have cars yeah I mean we all had cars I could even my own younger brother was like not in a rush to get his license and that was shocking mean just that little microgeneration between zenial and Millennial it doesn't mean that a developer couldn't add more and if they if they were doing if their target was a different age group um they probably would add more but if they were doing something next to a community college or something then they probably wouldn't not that we have that here but it it is nice transit for Pierce if it's off of Meridian and then if you dub Tacoma and the link connects that would be another good connection point for those two

campuses yeah yeah I'd love to see some of the some of the surveys done on the the transit service and how many people write it and how much it gets used and how much people just decide to drive is it because there's not enough Transit is that the reasoning of why nobody rides it because it doesn't get them to the point they want to be at or are there a ton of people taking Transit so much that we need to build these light rails and things to to get these people moving or are we just spending all this money on this on this light R and things to hopefully encourage people to stop driving that is a whole other meeting I mean they're basing they're basing our laws on this MH and what what is the what's the objective is to get people off the roads is it to yeah for every for every bus you can get people to ride you take off you know if you if you think about it if a bus holds 30 people that's potentially 30 cars off the road and there are again there are routes that don't get very much and then there's routes you know if you're try I mean I had I've taken the um the train up to Seattle for classes and it's Standing Room standing room only at peak times yeah if you're at in the morning and you're at night it's standing you know and I would love to be able to take the light rail to the airport so I'm I'm looking forward to that so yeah and there's part it if it doesn't come enough people well I don't want to have to wait an hour and a half but if you do it every 50 minutes and you don't enough people then it's a waste so yes there's always that yeah so yeah it's does the transit spot have sufficient parking because that's the first issue right

um is there a desire to just take this through or do you want to at this point wait and when we're ready for parking and everything and take it kind of with that well I'm I'm you know I think we got a good basis here with this definition but we do have three Commissioners that are here so well we still need to have a public hearing and then um so I mean we Again part of me is like if I get it done and it's off my plate great yeah I'd be in favor of continuing to push it Forward um considering that the actual draft code Amendments of only a few lines yeah this one is when I said when I started looking at I was like really not much yeah the parking spaces I mean I guess just do one more check to make sure if we're really required but I'm thinking that's going to impact us what along milon way 99 and Meridian as long as they're within a half mile of those because that's where our Transit runs yeah so we don't we don't nothing we have qualifies for um I don't think anything really requires for the high impact um parking so it defaults to whatever we have so and and until we put point we don't 0.25 does not kick in until we adopt it or January 1st 2026 so it would just if for some reason someone actually wanted to come in um we would find whatever's the closest um which might be group home it might be multif family it might be you know I would just find whatever's closest which is going to be higher than whatever it's eventually going to be so okay so yeah sorry I tend to face this way that's fine like I said I've been invisible lately and that's good you over here and then we'd all be over here

oh that yeah okay next time I'll know that um I in reading the legislation it brought out the issue of Shoreline master program regulations is there anything that we need to think about this relative to our Shoreline master program is just a question Food For Thought um the other thing I saw on page 17 line 25 was the discussion of how to calculate dwelling unit density for co-housing and so I was wondering how that was going to work with how we have two different ways to discuss density in our new zoning code dwelling units per acre and then we have lots per acre right so this only applies to the mixed use zones it doesn't apply to any of the single family residential zones okay so that's dwelling units per acre MH okay and on page 16 um paragraph number one under new section number two talks about six multif family residential units so they're talking about this has to be allowed anywhere that we have density that allows six dwelling units or more on a lot correct okay and then I think all of our mixed uces that yeah okay and I'm either way about you know moving this forward now or um combining it with something else but um I was wondering what the police department might have offered as input on this uh a few years back when we were talking about adus and this was before you were on the team here um he

expressed many experiences to the Planning Commission around the issue of gee we have a complaint and we arrive and there's bedrooms with numbers on the doors and so I you know if a conversation with the police department might be insightful um in any way um okay to help deal with uh any kind of nuisance issues because it's going to be one owner for theu rure and then co- living is individual rooms for sleeping yeah so it be like an apartment except they are they're not fully functioning there's a shared area so they're sort of halfway between that which in some ways shows that there's a need for people are doing it illegally so here we're creating a way to do it legally so hopefully people will take that option and vers versus the other so and are there other public health or you know if you're putting something up for rent I know from folks who do rentals there's a whole new set of rules they have to abide by because they're you're getting into tenant laws yes so I don't know if there's anything I don't like I said I think it would just fall into because again you're renting your space with you know shared areas some I mean even full Apartments now have like shared computer labs or laundries or whatever so I assume it would just all fall under the same idea idea that and then yeah I said and then by making it like you were saying is by making it that you were just leasing your room it prevents the CH the problem of five people are paying but their one roommate isn't and then everyone else instead it's like no you have a relationship with the landlord you have a relationship and it doesn't affect the other one so there's some advantages for that yeah I think that's an important

piece to just have that kind of clarity the other thing that's um kind of nice about something like this is it legitimizes it it puts it um building code around it so that there's sound barriers fire code um so firewalls between the units um there there's a lot more to it than just switching out their hardware and putting a lock and a number on the door um when I look into what gets put into building these yeah and I think it's a valuable thing to add to the variety of Housing and um you know thinking back to starting out and my friends it was studio apartments and you know co-living where we were sharing rent for a apartment kind of thing so um as chair Elliot mentioned the idea of having this brings in more safety and um hopefully better quality yeah okay right so um so you're indifferent to putting it Forward I I'm in favor of pushing it Forward um commissioner zaro I'd be in favor of pushing it forward all right Comm what so by pushing it Forward we're just saying okay we'll do a public hearing at the next meeting um either which means you guys could make the recommendation that meeting or you can make the rediction recommendation the next month if there's changes or something to it so great good all right so this one's a was even went the other direction this one got a little more complicated the more I got into it understanding it a little better um so what this is is this idea of unit lot subdivision and so again the goal for for these is to increase the supply

and affordability of homeownership opportunity so the the intent for these is um not to say that somebody couldn't buy it and rent it to somebody else but the real focus and the The Hope in is that you're you're increasing home ownerships um and so it's we've kind of talked about it a little bit when we were talking about adus um is this idea that um so let's say a house single house creates two adus you could the person who owns the property could own all three of of them or under this new unit Lop subdivision they could in in essence cut out little internal squares if you want to look on page 20 um little internal squares that includes the building and maybe some lawn and then there will be shared lawn shared driveway whatever and so each one could be sold and then the stuff that's in common can either be many homeowners or like we do with easements there could just be a file document that says everyone's responsible these three Parcels are in joint with these for the common area and so the idea is that though all of they still when we go to do setbacks when we go to do lot coverage structure coverage impervious service coverage we're looking at the bigger the bigle square so whatever buildings they put inside that um still have to meet all of those it's just allowing them to sort of condomini basically make them into sort of a condo type unit so they could sell them and and create home ownerships but they still if you were looking at it you wouldn't know it doesn't allow them to

be any closer for setbacks it doesn't allow their density or their percentage to be any greater than what we would require if they were all just owned by the same person and so um again I went through and tried to pull did I include so I included the um there was two different handouts that the Department of Commerce they sort of parts of them are similar it's the Commerce fact sheet and the Commerce guide um so the Commerce fact sheet is specifically on unit lot subdivision the um there was also the the middle housing model ordinance guide had a section on um this unit lot subdivision so I grabbed those pages as well just that small part of it um so um so basically it would you know the definitions basically kind of break out that there is it goes in the subdivision chapter so it's it would be a new chap a new sorry a new chapter within the subdivision title so under title 16 we would create a new chapter um we would be adding Lots so the idea is that there's a parent lot and then there are unit Lots those little small ones that we make um I also since I was going through the Section I thought well there's no definition for this word or that word we might as well do it now since we're here and then there's a definition for unit lot subdivision um and then I like I said I sort of updated a few other things and so the in essence the unit lot subdivision process would be very similar to what we do for short plots

um it's uh it would be processed as a type three that's the same as a short plot um it has to be recorded when it's done it's reviewed by staff it's reviewed by Engineers it's it's all of that so um the code allows us to go up to nine Lots can be processed under a unit lot subdivision um we have to do as many as our short plot which I believe is four you can go as high as nine so um that can be up for consideration as I was looking at the unit lot subdivision which again is similar to the short plot I we have language for binding site plans um which in essence is like a unit it's the similar it's the same idea you're creating these little unit Lots on just a much bigger parent lot and so it felt like it would be appropriate to update that chapter as well to um in some ways mimic because it's being I I I believe it used to be historically people sort of used binding site plans for hey this is a a mall we've got four stores big boxes that each want to own their own but they're shared parking parking lots well now as in the the the development behind um the post office more and more um it does allow them to use this process for residential and so it felt like if we're doing the one it wasn't it kind of made sense to maybe look at the other and improve the wording and approve the process for that so if you're comfortable with taking on both um The Binding site

plan um added some additional Provisions kind of or rewrote some of the provisions added some um brought in some of the language that it needs to have um obviously there's a couple places like that has uls which is unit lot that I because I was trying to somewhat again similar so we there's some minor edits that would be there um but in this case it would be um for The Binding site plan it is a public hearing it's a type four so there would be because it's on the bigger scale it would have a neighborhood meeting it would have the public hearing um so that is that so any I will be quiet now and allow any questions I guess we start with questions and then we go to comments or however you would like to do that sure I think just is there any um requests for like clarification so far before we get into more just discussion Vice chair thank you so I got a little thrown by the 4 to n number range uh with the way it was worded so could you explain that a little more so the way the state legislation is written um technically the default for short plat is um for Parcels um but the state allows you to go up to nine Parcels but you have to change your code to to this point the city has not changed their short plat code so our short plat is at four so the unit lot subdivision um the way it's written is that it basically says you can use that same

range you have to do at least four but no more than nine so being the optimistic that I am I threw in the nine but um obviously if the Planning Commission is not comfortable with that what if we reduce that it would just be any you know so if we reduced it to six um or four then anything bigger than that would kick into The Binding site plan process if somebody wanted to do it okay and it's nine per Lots not per acre right as far as that number goes but if you and they still have to meet the density calculations for whatever that zone is right but if you happen to have a two acre parcel you if they happen to have so I don't know what our numbers are now um let's say they have a what a half an acre and they end up being able to do let's say nine with the density nine little tow houses or nine little you know they have a fourplex and a threx and a something yeah fourplex threx and a twox or something they could um basically again create the the as a hole every all of those buildings would have to fit the parent lot but they could sub chop those up and if it you know and it would just depend on how many is whether they would use the small process the unit lot or the binding site plan okay um can I put it in a scenario so like yep okay so I have an acre in it's no longer called the single family Zone but um whatever we call that now1 neighborhood residential okay so I have

an acre neighborhood resident residential yep so and I want to put in nine Cottages um if you in the neighborhood residential you would not be able to on one because it's still because it's three your limit is three per parcel now if you if they if they chose to div actually divide it and make two actual Parcels but if you were just one parcel in any of the neighborhood residentials um neighborhood residential one you're still limited to R three so a single family 2 adus a duplex 1 Adu okay so this isn't a a workaround to increas density the density still is first okay so you would say okay this is this is we're using the density number doesn't change for how many you can put on the parcel so it's either the three per parcel or the however many per acre okay that stays the same same it just means that you can either say it's an apartment complex and we're renting them all and we have one owner yeah or we're going to let you in essence condo each one and have common area that they all have to share okay so that they can be sold individually okay so if I was neighborhood residential one and wanted to do this with my house and my two adus then I could kind of parcel this out to where where each person could own their Adu and and then have a a shared common space and parking okay and you still own your house and I still own my house okay who pays the property taxes um it would be similar to uh condos that each each area gets recorded has to they have they end up with their own personal number and they have to pay their own property tax and then somehow

they figure that I don't know how they do it with because I was looking at it like say I'm an investor I'm a builder I'm going to build a a nice house and then I'm going to build these Cottages behind it uh what would incentivize me to sell those why wouldn't I just hang on to those and rent them and then you said well that's okay you don't have to sell them we're just allowing you to have this to to have some more affordable housing yeah Spokan actually is um they're one of the models cities which I thought was interesting being on the east side um they five or six years ago um did were one of the trial runs to do this with a lot of their interior areas to try to again create opportunities for home ownership and it seemed to work um Olympia tried it um they got challenged so it got it got adjusted a little bit I'm not sure um I can't remember what it was that was being challenged in there I think it was more than just that but um but yeah so I know that Spokane's done it and for my understanding that it's been very successful um and again not everyone's here so if there are things that you're like hey we want we do have these beautiful new screens now that do work um if you want um like hey I can bring some more visuals if that would help trying to wrap your head around how this works or no think I saw some of these pictures here mhm there's a couple of them you're like what well they don't not all of them applied necessarily to I know I know but cuz like picture three I don't understand why that wouldn't fall within the parent lot setbacks well in this case obviously

whatever for us it wouldn't fit ours oh okay so these were just photos that um um you know this would be if your rear setbacks were what 10t maybe 5T maybe um I could come up with some like I said I could do a couple quick graphics for next time that would show what it would look like in our neighborhood residential one zone and what it might look like in our which is our lowest and maybe what it would look like in our um Uptown mixed use which is our highest um I could do two okay two um Graphics to get a feel of what it would really mean for us yeah so yeah I um so I I like putting the other one to public hearing next me I think this one we'd want a little bit more discussion as far as um examples Y and then if we've got are there any other things that we would like staff to kind of think of or that would help us kind of move the conversation along next meeting because I know that we're missing half our group so whatever we can do to make it easier for them to wrap the concept quicker next meeting I could add something if someone else I sure um so the pictures came out of the middle housing yes guide yes those are not Milton specific at all those are not specific it's just examples um I had a question that was like it would be helpful if Public Works weighed in on the issue of shared utilities or not is that something to put in the zoning code is that something that's Public Works policy because um you know we've had this discussion before where well it's an Adu it's an accessory to the principal structure so why not save

money by having all the water go it's a shared meter kind of thing so if the goal is the if they end up selling it I would think they would have to have their own meters so yes that might be something so I don't know that we need to be specific about or like yeah SE easement for and and especially if because you can do this up front you could do this 10 years from now so you could be you could have twoa to use because you just want to rent them or right you have kids who can't grow up or something and then um you sell it and the next person's like I you know or your kids move out or your your parents move out and you're like yeah let's sell them well then if you've all been on a sh meter there would have to be something that would kick in I think so yeah yeah there's a little bit of like I'm all for making housing more affordable and more options for that but then I also do think of you know like my brother bought a place in West Seattle and it's my septic you know we know the sewer Line's going to go bad at some point and it's under their house and what are we going to do about it when it's your problem but not theirs and you have to dig under to get to it so I think trying to make sure that as much as we're allowed to that we're trying to not just create problems for the next round of people 20 years from now and I know that Tacoma power will require it and it makes sense especially if we're selling if the intent is to do the unit lot subdivision because that intent means its own parcel I I would think they would have to be some easement requirements yes and that's where you get the shared common space yeah so you have to make sure utilities are in the you know ideally in the shared common space and that they probably and then they would have to have all their own metters I don't see any way around that yeah um yes commissioner bo uh on page 26 um 16.30 034 effective preliminary approval

that kind of touches on the on the uh Public Works input and required facilities and improvements yeah you know they they'd probably all want their own they the city would you imagine they want at least for like the condos over here by my place I'm pretty sure they that um the each unit has its own water meter but I could be wrong so yeah so on page so if we're talking about the utility lot subdivision on page 23 oh what do you got there um which I assume I should be mimicked on the on the I tried to these kind of things I tried to do on both so G right above G it says four um one of the requirements is that the face shall contain easements for existing or new utility connections okay so again making it clear where they are that there's easements um but I do it may be worth putting in there that clearly that each unit is required to have its own yeah what if one unit goes Belly Up and leaves with a thousand water bill the other people have to cover it because they just heed off to each yeah so I think once you sell it once you have more than one owner they each need to have their own yeah some of it could be stuff that were just kind of worried about that's outside of our scope but I just want to make sure that if it's in our scope we've we've got it covered oh it's it's a question I had I'm glad you brought it up because I didn't I didn't make a note of it okay the other thing about um because it's a New Concept I for one would really appreciate a variety of scenarios so we could better understand how this could play out um and can the rules be different per zoning District or is the only difference it's the standards that are

in the code for that District impervious surface so so in essence what this is is just the process if someone decides they want to divide it all out um the [Music] actual you like I said the the setbacks the the heights the all of those are controlled in the actual in the chapter 17 so this is simply similar to like if you were doing a short plat it doesn't control or if you're yeah it doesn't control the setbacks for the individual houses it's just figuring out how you divide it all and how you make sure everybody's got utilities and that again they have to in in the short plat and the full plat you know you have the the lot parcel minimum size here the individuals don't necessarily have a minimum size but your parent does so they have to you know it has to fit that parent I appreciated uh again the materials from Department of Commerce it really helped uh page 32 of our packet discusses dimensional standards and I appreciated this the bottom example where it was based on a 60% impervious surface uh coverage and that's that's what the that's what it is for the parent lot and then it went into to say but development of the mini Lots I guess you could call them amounted to 55% so it was really explaining how the math would work in terms of saying well yeah some of these things are going to have 80% coverage but the

way the regulations will look at it as what's the parent lot and that's the number that be shared a shared common yard that makes up the difference right uh so it was helpful I I I do worry about how it will get around uh subdivision and so forth and I understand the balance with working to find out more ways to make housing um different types of Housing and at different price points um I I wonder is there fire code that talks about things like spacing between buildings because I looked at some of these and wondered aboutuse fire code for like if they have a shared wall that there's fire separation so that if one caught on the fire a 2our if it's you know someone who's on that one acre like you said and they want to have a big house and two adus that are up to a th000 square feet but you there's um fire separation so basically um I think it's depending on how you read it it's 5 feet or six feet but if you're six feet apart um there's no extra that you have to do if you're I think it like three feet apart um you can't have Windows okay because those are less you know because of a fire fire in one and then if you're you know and if you're um even more closer then you have to have a 2hour firewall instead of a 1 hour so yes there's it's real specific in the building code um if you're like you said if you're a townhouse and you're a shared wall this is what you have to do if you're apart depending on how far apart it depends on on whether or not you can have openings whether and then

how wide your wall has to be with the right things to be a firewall okay so there isn't something that we've it's all of that is covered in the fire yep they take care of all the safety stuff for us okay and we don't as a city yet have the I think it's Bonnie Lake that went and required new developments having to have housing with fire sprinklers in them yes we have not gone that way we have not gone that way so um it's Unique to the area but uh a lot of that depends on how close to hydrant you are too is you get them into some of the more rural areas out the outskirts and uh you find we find that most of the houses I work on are on bigger lots and they're further apart and they have mandatory fire sprinklers just yeah the fire response time would be a lot higher than it is here another question in my head is the idea and it may be old code uh we used to have a standard in our short plat I think it was short plat that said you can't short plat something you've short platted within five years so it and I always interpreted that to mean uh because I call them long plats but subdivisions have much more things that have to be accomplished by the developer and the applicant so I am am I is that still in our code and is that applicable here yes so the way the short plat is written is like so let's say you have one parcel and we allow four but you only split it in half so you created two so theoretically you could within I think it's five years or six years add two more Lots because you're still within the four oh okay but you can't take so let's say again you have one parcel you split into two you

can't take one of the new ones and the next year make it four because you have two already you've got you created two already and that holds for a certain amount of time okay so is that a a something that would affect unit lot subdivision so it said yes so somewhere in here um at least it's supposed to be in here SE so subsequent platting actions and addition or modifications to structures may not create or increase any non-conformities of the parent lot um could you tell us where you're reading from please oh sorry I'm on 22 under the criteria um 16 29030 um and and if that doesn't specifically address what we're trying to do um the idea being that the intent is that you can't whatever if if you want to do anymore it still has to fit the you know still has to meet the density still you know so theoretically if you had two let's say we allow a house and two adus but you only have a house and one Adu there's I don't think there's anything that will prevent you from two years later at building a third and then kind of revising it but you're still at the limit of three you can't then somehow you know or say oh well I want to add a fourth but it's or you know I want to add a third but it's going to put me over that would be a better example let's say you have two and you're at the maximum for um impervious surface coverage and you you're like well I want it says I can add a third but it would put you over well no you can't I mean one we wouldn't let you

build it because you're over the impervious surface and two then you couldn't create you know again one you have to do the you have to meet the the the zoning before you can worry about subdivide unit unit lot I know they're all the same terms okay and another uh comment if I made about the uh binding site plan I mean our original language was it was only Industrial and Commercial and so it surprised me when I heard that there was approval for the development that allowed this process but when you go searching when you go waiting through the state law there is some funky language in there that has been interpreted that way and a lot of cities have gone that way and especi you know because it there there it does talk about again I had to reread it and you have to read it several times because it's good legal ease but it does allow um kind of like if you're doing it for multiple can't remember how exactly it's written but it is there um and so and depending on how you interpret it once you get into more than duplexes and triplexes it sort of becomes multif family and multif family can Apartments can be considered commercial under some things so then again it gets a little gray again so um so yeah so that's why I figure let's just um address it so that it's a little more structured okay because ultimately someone can come back into the City and say because I noticed at mrsc my go-to place for you know a search word and coming up with all sorts of examples they were listing a lot of cities that were not including residential although a binding site plan

could so I wondered what would be the advantage or disadvantage in that and the other piece of it was I always thought a binding site plan is in my beginner planner commissioner days was binding putting Lots together and then say okay this shopping plaza is owned by one entity and instead of doing all that messy boundary line adjustment so I always thought of it as putting things together never thinking it was really dividing things up yeah yeah it was so like if you look at the surprise leg Square um Safeway owns their parcel and then some other corporation owns most of the others but there it's technically like I think it's five part you know five or six different Parcels Safeway wants to own their own so they actually own their building even though it there's little buildings next to them they own their little section and then others own theirs now I don't know that they have a mining site plan officially on file anywhere I think it might have been created way in the days before that but that's the prime example is that sometimes people and that way you can sell them but then again you have shared so in the idea of the townhouse multe family that we did um it's it is shared there's a shared common area it's a shared storm system it's a Shar the streets are privately un shared the water system is shared so all of them under a homeowners association um share all of that so they do have they are all interconnected but each little house is has its own partial number and pays its own property taxes so it's yeah so is that the way you would do Cottage housing for example

because I saw in these examples uh on page 20 for example it mentioned Cottage housing and I got thinking you know are we are we creating end runs about around things and we want to think think about that could somebody again I think it could go both ways you could have um I mean some could you know it could be just it's all rentals and they one per you know one Co it's probably a corporation at that point owns that parcel and all the little cottages and everything shared like you would an apartment complex or yes you know some of these are individual um you know that they would sell each one of them now some cities have actual Cottage housing right so they actually then in that instance they actually specify this is the size of the lot you know they actually treat them they they left little mini lot requirements and and a lot of times those also have design criteria and stuff so if you um but I think that was the start of this sort of I mean some of those were basically this idea it was just a little more yeah and the irony of that was the was there was the goal to make the housing affordable and when it was brought to the Planning Commission like 15 years ago it was like well the examples you're providing are more expensive than our houses here I I understand things can change but I I seeing the example on page 20 got me thinking about okay Cottage housing that's a kind of middle housing type and does that allow us to produce a better product for or more desirable opportunity or is is there going to be a conflict if we ever go that route Cottage housing along with unit lot subdivision is yeah I don't know from

what um we did a little bit of research on Cottage housing in Fest and technically Fest does have a cottage housing option in their they they come up with they what they called small lot design so it's in in some ways it's sort of um the idea was we had some in furest they had some very um they have which are still undeveloped but they're they were very compromised by slopes and wet lenss and stuff and so the idea is well maybe we create you know some codes that would that for those areas that would allow much smaller than traditional Lots whether that's Cottages whether that's tow houses and so again it's all very similar in this nature it's how do you create small smaller things that people can buy with some common areas for again just diversity I you know so um Cottage housing and concept sounds really nice but developers I can't imagine there's a whole lot of them that want to do it because they are Standalone smaller when you can build 3,000 they're really more ideal for almost for like resort areas yeah resort areas touristy areas kind of things um and again this would be this binding site plan and the unit lot subdivision would be in areas where they can either do an apartment complex or they could other than adus which are in the but the binding site plan they're not going to do that's not an option in any of the low resid in the neighborhood uh residential because we only allow three units so the the intent of the binding site plan for a residential type use is in essence it's a again it's a multifam type of complex but they're conding the

actual building not just the interiors and part of and another play on that is um I know banks are more hesitant to loan for traditional condos because the outside structures are commonly owned and what happens if the common group is not willing to fix the roofs or whatever where if you're in essence I own my house even though I might not have much lawn around me um there that's a more the the lenders are much more comfortable with that because you are you are able to do your own stuff and they are loaning you for the own the whole thing it's how do you or if you default if you default on just the interior that's very difficult for a lender if you default on a whole building they can take it and resell it so there is that too I've heard from developers that the traditional condos um are very hard to do anymore wow so I will bring back some more examples if you think of anything else you want me to expand on for the next meeting I'm happy to do that just a quick uh comment page 21 definition for unit lot subdivision uh it's a discussion about limited to residential zoning districts I'm wondering if it might be worth considering actually listing those districts that would apply to just avoid a confusion or is something to think on but I know it's just the pro I mean not that I see us hopefully changing our zoning names anytime time soon but now that we have there's a bunch of stuff I come across and I'm like oh it lists all of the zones that no longer exist yeah so you're not duplicating and so in our

definitions we currently have a definition for residential zones and non we do okay so we can always adapt you know we just have to be consistent with that and if not then be specific I guess I would say so the comment then is I'm I'm guessing that when there's definitions in the title they apply to the title so does the subdivision title 16 have a definition yes for residential okay and then we can just send in more questions just to keep things yeah if there's anything else you want you'd like clarification on for the next meeting and I will bring some Milton specific thoughts examples great if there's nothing else we'll go on to agenda item 60 which is for information all I was going to do was just introduce this one and send it home with everybody and um give everybody time to um so these are the the other um topics that we have on our work plan for the year that are much more discretionary the two I brought tonight are very much controlled by state legislation these are all basically pretty discretionary of what the Planning Commission and the city council want um so I thought it would be very helpful before or I start tearing away on my own ideas to kind of get feedback so um if everyone if you just want to take it um if again it doesn't have to be on this format it could be on a you know separate typed handwritten separate pieces of paper just kind of thinking of what are your top concerns if there's something else you can think of that I you know I like I did landscaping in general and significant trees if there's something else in that section great or off Street Park you know I was just trying to kind of get your brain thinking um and then provide it back I'm

going to go ahead and provide the same thing to the council I'll introduce it I'll mention it to them at the next council meeting under my comments and then email it out that night or the next day just to get a feel of what their initial thinking is if they have seen problems if they have specific concerns so that you guys are aware of them as well great perfect I I don't even have to write anything down I can tell you right now uh this Landscaping one it's just because it's going to be hard to like describe what I'm talking about when I can just tell you is um on item A2 Landscaping concerns for significant tree protection um with what we're doing with cramming all these adus and Tow houses and things on existing Lots lot even whether they're uh uh you know we're making these unit lot subdivisions or whatever uh there's not a lot of room for trees uh the common area looks to me from these diagrams specifically this one here from the state is this common area is for parking and so there really isn't any area or left for trees and so that would be one of my concerns with these areas like this look at uh page 31 uh example number two you've got room for parking uh in the middle of all these units and an alley in the back and you've reduced the setbacks it looks to me that they're really if there was a tree on this lot it would be gone to develop these and if you were to replant

then you'd be replanting within five or 10 feet of your house which doesn't make any sense to grow a tree that close to your house so that would be my concern um these I understand the principle of affordable housing and getting people into Home Ownership because I have uh a daughter that's 30 and you know fortunately she's getting into get getting her own housing and so uh but there's it's it's an uphill battle it's not going to get any better unless I get that you know I'm not against I mean I know I say we're cramming houses into which is what we're doing yeah and it's totally against the principles that since I've been on this Planning Commission that we've been trying to avoid uh uh you stress your infrastructure you stress your safety uh with traffic and it's it's a a landslide of things that you have to think about besides just affordable housing but I get what the state's trying to do and um when we have items like this that come up uh when we're asked questions about tree protection and Landscaping yet we're designing things that don't allow it so uh this is where um I was taught when I got on this thing and it may or may not have been from someone sitting on this dis told me that we have a fine line and so we have to determine where we're going with that line so that we can make this happen yet we can also protect um you know our environment and our trees and things because uh I mean we've seen it we've all seen it on tailor what happens with the church they don't care they they just want to build

build build and the power company has to serve them so the power company comes through and takes the trees out and bye-bye trees we pray that they're going to plant more trees around and things like that but um when it comes to this tree protection thing I've always told Jacqueline that uh she's a tree lover and I'm a tree killer but I spent the early part of my career planting a lot of trees a lot and so uh I do wipe out a lot of trees but uh they uh you know it's uh they're a resource that are dwindling away and so I just I don't know I just that concerns me as far as tree protection goes and uh and this type of housing is all so if you can relay that into this question about tree protection nope that gives me some um you don't have to use all my adjectives please don't but uh no but it does it gives one it means we need to look at one thing that will be helpful to come back when we do talk about landscaping and and tree coverage is um Frontage for sure what yeah so what we're allowing for what we're allowing um for structure coverage and previous surface coverage for different things it might also be worth and again I don't I don't want to go too far ahead because I want people to think about stuff before we start tossing out but maybe there's willingness you know things for like height bonus to say if you're saving some trees like if you know because they're you know as a developer they're struggling and they're like okay to make it work we need X number of units and maybe it's something where we say you know we if you're willing to protect this you can have the same number of units because

we're going to let you go up a floor or something um there's ways to be creative if we so desire or flexible in certain ways um but I don't want to get ahead of myself because I want you guys to take um you know week or two um I and I for the people who called out sick I did say at least do the survey for me um so when you feel better so um yeah and then that'll like I said then we won't I won't dump all of these all at once but that way that gives me an idea of where we're headed and what what the issues are what are you most concerned about yeah and then I I would assume that these will take a coule you know a few more meetings because they're again they're more um they have more flexibility more input more preference than anything else so yeah um now with landscape is that something that we could invite Dustin or public works or someone to that because I think that there's a lot of times when we talk about zoning what they are not allowed to require for landscape requirements um or what's feasible or is that really stay within planning the for the private property it stays within planning okay um stuff that's I mean if it's in the right of way they um and we're actually um yeah for Frontage requirements which does fall under the Landscaping section to some extent that would be worth at least double cheing with them oh and they are working with gr and Osborne we're trying to um this year hopefully we will also get new Street standards for all this stuff which focus on natives yeah so that that and and yes double-checking um that would be yes that's a good thing for like I said for the frontage requirements because they're con yes

they were concerned on um what's the width what type of trees which we have but again when anything you learn stuff you find out oh that tree wasn't such a great idea or you know what you really need five and we've always allowed three or something so um yes that will be that's a good that's a good thing yes Comm Vice chair way uh I I think it's valuable for us to just be thinking and discussing uh at our next meeting I to to because I think that's a valid point it's tough to have a house and a tree in the same square footage and I I wonder how other cities you know I've got Associates who've been to places like Singapore and they say man you know it's really Urban but it's got a field that doesn't quite feel so harsh and edgy um you know and you look and these are a big high-rise buildings and they're draped with trees and I mean it it takes big picture thinking to accomplish giving humans the opportunity to put their feet on some grass and enjoy some shade and so there are a series of trade-offs and I've I've been to jurisdictions that have very heavy tree protection because it's just such a valuable asset uh but so this may be sort of an ongoing sort of a evolving urban forestry concept and that's where I'm going to start looking is cities that have Urban Foresters to see yeah so if everyone wants to get me their again their initial thoughts in the next couple weeks then for the next meeting um we'll do the quick the first little blip on um the the whatever that is survey result um and then we can just you know chop up time for just you know here these are all the ideas that were

or concerns and ideas that were tossed out and just you know have discussion on each of those to again start formulating what those concerns are what are those things we'd like to address can we be creative and it's hard because from my hand like I said I again don't want to get too much into it but we've had discussion you know it's hard to regulate trees on existing properties that already have houses and stuff um so a lot of what we will be doing is for things that are being built or different things but we can we can I also think things like but what does it mean that you're built on if you've got three acres and you have a house does that mean you're treated the same way as something that's a quarter acre with a house maybe there's something where we can say no you can't just clear cut CU you happen to have a house on an acre um also thinking about um there are people who are convinced that all the trees are going to fall down and they that if a storm hits and so they just want to take all the trees down or they want their neighbor to take all their tree you know and it's like no so it's like you know there's public stuff too and I don't do we have the tools to address that you know usually my take is well get me an arborist if I can all have any say I'll be like give me an Arbus that says it's dying or damaged but if it's a tree that's you know like I said if if you got four trees but you're a single family residence there's nothing in my code and maybe there doesn't need to be it it's hard to enforce that but I do think there are properties that are very large you know like just the um the spiritual center technically it's the spiritual Camp um could they take all their trees down possibly because it's a develop it's considered developed now I know they

don't want to but that's where I think it would be worth having language that maybe again says if you're this size even if you have some development you can't just go in and clearcut or you guys ever been to the um Bridal Trails area in uh Kirkland and bellw they share um very very strict uh restrictions on trees uh really the only thing you can I mean they have like uh grandfathered in uh horse paddocks and things like that because it's all communal horse things it's Bridal like not Bridal I I don't know why I got confused with that uh but they uh yeah we do a lot of work in there and they are very temperamental about trees in there and but then again there also we had that Windstorm and that's exactly where that lady got killed where she was in the shower and the tree fell and killed her while she was in the shower you know so at some point they become Hazard but then I get a rush of people wanting to cut down all the trees in the city so now we got to go in and what we do is we to put a septic in we cut Roots is that detrimental to the tree and weaken it or is the nutrient-rich water that we're providing that tree that we're putting in does it end up helping it so there's a there's a lot of things about trees that I wish I didn't know but I hear you there all right could I say uh one thing before we leave the topic and it's actually relevant to our ear ear topic on page 19 uh the second bullet point at the bottom was a statement about the deadline

for2 unit lot subdivisions was that a typo no or that's the truth oh oh it was part of the middle housing Bill no but it no or was it not anyway it yes it technically went into effect at the end of last year okay so if somebody came in I'd have to wing it but I don't know that anybody I mean if if any if someone came in and said they wanted to do it I would just sort of have to default to our short plat and sort of make it work but yes that is one that is actually already on the books that I don't think any of us were paying that much attention to because we were all trying to get our comp plan done well and the other thing was for a while it was thought we had to do something about midle housing and then it seemed well no because of the size of your city it wasn't so it seemed like adus aren't due yet and a lot of this ties to the adus and so it was like yes so that one theoretically is already on the books that says that we have to allow them um but not that I have anybody coming in so I think we'll be fine so is there Merit to planning another meeting or something to get this done as quickly as possible because building season's coming and at least around me there's there's a lot of construction noise so uh I'm sorry to backtrack to this topic but yeah I I yeah we can I guess we could I wanted I would like to have it done the beginning of the year I'm not sure that it's like I said I I don't know if anybody even realized they can do it yet so um so if we stick on the current schedule we're on it's next meeting we're doing I we could do both public hearings next meeting if we want so

those are just done on both of those yeah because there may not be a lot of changes because for the most part it just is what it is but okay so we'll go ahead and do both both hearings on both um but not I won't plan on anyone we won't plan on adoption of the um unit lot so division next meeting okay I would assume that would go at least one more meeting and then Council has another hearing and then Council would have another hearing if something came up okay okay great cool I think that takes us into staff reports um I'm without a billing inspector again that's a whole long story actually it's not he anyway well it is it's a complicated story that anyway he had to move on okay he ended up out of the state unexpectedly so it's a weird thing I had a building inspector for a week and a half oh and then something about a family emergency and off he went um so we'll we have had a few more init um applications come in so we'll do that um already mentioned that Public Works is working on Street standards this year so that'll be very helpful um I thought there was something else but it must not be important so at least not a priority all right so then commissioner reports Vice chair Wayan I had something and it just left my mind so maybe it'll come to me after other folks but um I did sit in on one of the sound link um public hearings um yeah that's I I encourage everyone to look at it watch a meeting make comments um I know I submitted but when it came to that one I mean I think I was the

only one that spoke up so really just making sure that Milton is heard on those um I think they're still taking comments but it is looking at displacing several businesses and several homes um regardless of which route they take it's just a matter of of which one um so making sure we speak up to Why is it they've been working on this thing for 30 plus years and they still don't know where it's going to go I that's just branch has not been that long huh this particular section has not that long the light R yes you're right that has not been that long I stand corrected but um but I appreciate you just side uh for fighting the good fight and being there and uh reporting to us okay so yeah the the light rail um just want to make sure that everyone's aware of that I can't think of anything else happy long weekend Happy Valentine's Day yeah double whammy that's all I got uh I wish our other Commissioners well I hope they get well soon they uh it's going around I've avoided it uh but uh it's going around yeah it's a bad one but I've all we mask on the plane I always do they're like disease boxes okay that sums up commissioner reports next meeting is March 12 2025 it is 7:35 meeting adjourned