Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Thank you very much. Hey, can I get a roll call, please? Chair Anderson here. Vice Chair here. Excused. Snow here. Here. Commission. Commissioner Casmberry. Could we a review? Well,

I make a motion that we Thank you very much. our public and on the agenda mid various sections of the SSC, RC and CI zones of the midbell code relates uses and section 17-5 regulating the vehicle. Yes. A couple things for you remove an existed uses. So this is just kind of a general included I outlined this, but there are use.

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all right. I can see it. Um so fulfilling station things definition and then all other definition just really to the vehicle related use major minor sales hair filling station allowed in the state regional, commercial and um and use permit some of so you don't see those on a staff level and requirementsing to take all of those standards zones and instead put them into that we've had for past year or two for someship and all the in which they're uses to allowed uses discussion before is the commission help take things on nature applications come to you criteria all you're doing is approving feel like it's a really good use of your time or the develop the applicants time to come. Republic said we will of their building permits will remain the only standard just were quite redundant over

excuse me all We're doing um probably quite familiar um criteria find that this makes interpretation more straight motion unless you have any question. I like same one place instead of having so if you ever need a Yes. I really like what you you're doing.

Okay. I'm going to open this to the public for comment. Seeing there is no one here, I make a motion that we public hear. All in favor? I. Thank you very much. It sounds process which good conditions are really changing. The only thing is that the public can't necessarily comment on it. But if it's already going to be approved if it meets all their information, then that's kind of a foregone conclusion. Sometimes we have them put their input in as a consideration the outcome. Yeah.

So I which right so they feel like they and it's like well we kind of already the standard so is what it is. Anything else? Anyone? No. That we recommend approval provided in the attachment noted in the staff report. Second. Can I get Vice Chair Ericson? Yes. Commissioner S? Yes. Commissioner Liy. Yes. Commissioner. Yes.

The motion passes. Now we have action item and this is consider Midbell city initiated request to amend various sections of SF-1 SF-2 RM-12 and RM-25 zones of the Midville City Municipal Code relating to master plan development. Liz,

yes. So hopefully you'll recall that we had quite a robust this text amendment a couple meetings ago came away with a couple of to research and look into. So I've toed in coming back to requirements was a big one we talked about.

I put it it's wrong in my PowerPoint. Okay. It's it's a half. Sorry, I was saying it spoke but the parking to have we've now come back with additional a half stall for guest parking. So um and so they cannot parking. So there will comes in discover that we cannot regulate garage parking. We as being um a way that they are able to meet parking requirements. So exclude driveways and have them have dedicated guest. Um so that was what we came back with there. I think we came away with was whether or not projects without common area should still be master planned. And after quite a bit of staff discussion that that would be of everyone's time when they're coming in for what we would development. They're meeting the right underlying there doesn't seem to be to evaluate as part of a three acres or four acres of a lot by lot development. you know, there's they're selling those as individual lots for people to come in and build their own houses and own landscaping. So, there's no coordination of development to be happening there. So, um it's staff's opinion that we would still propose only happen for common area. Um the there was about was some discussion about what

as a result of if projects do have common area develop to not do that and I think for our city where parcels are built out and anyone that's coming in with some of these larger developments that might be utilizing a building footprint lot like we most recent with the trailside 300 east if you horseshoe piece. You know, they really couldn't develop that as a lot by lot development. And so doing the building footprint lot will help them get get maybe an extra unit or two that they're interested in, but that development standard should give us increased an area. So if I had to our discussion open to your thoughts and opinions just looking for an action to take the take to this I I I think I'm still interested in like a master plan requirement over acreage. um like you know if you're going to build 40 houses I can't imagine that like we would just say okay go do without some type of community input and maybe I'm the only one here but um

I agree so you want a threshold I I just like to see something where it's tied to the like the amount of land being developed be that five acres 20 acres whatever it is And I I know that those are exceedingly rare in our builtout community, but like that's my personal opinion uh for for Midville. Sure. So, we recently saw one that was just barely over an acre and and but but would that be within what you think is acceptable? Yeah, I think I think if they don't want to master plan that, I'd be okay with that. Okay.

But, you know, you think someone's going to go put 20 units on five acres? Um, like I think that should go through an additional level of rigor. Okay. I don't know if you'd want to force someone into aud I think I like where it's a choice. I don't know that we you might run into legal force a development of a certain size into a uh master plan develop. I mean you can do lot by lot. the zoning allows that or you can do a master plan development. That's fair. And that would be my recommendation.

See, I think yeah, if it's a subdivision and they're single lots, um why do you need to have a master plan? Even if there's 50 of them, yeah, you have, you know, you have a subdivision that have 50 lots, they don't have to go through a master plan. It's a subdivision. Now, if they wanted to do footprint lots or if they wanted to do some other configuration, then yes, that would fall under the master plan provisions in our code. Yeah. and then we're looking for but just to say lots therefore you need to be a master plan I just I I worry about that I think it's a slippery slope there

yeah um also maybe one thing to consider is that you know pieces of land don't always come in nice re rectangles and that there is always an incentive to use this option anyway way because with the footprint lots you have a lot more design flexibility and you may be able to get um more units compared to a straight subdivision you know very regimented lot size. So there there's another aspect that actually that sort of drives it you know development in that direction oftentimes anyway

and if someone were to I'm sorry I feel like I'm interrupting all sorts of stuff but no you're adding interrupting if someone came in and said okay well on this piece I could do x number of lots if they choose option they're not getting an increase in density we're still holding them to that base density in the zone. It's just rather than squares or pieshaped or rectangle lots, they're choosing a different configuration.

And what would have been yard space in a straight what I call a straight subdivision is now made up for in common area. So the density hasn't increased. It's just the layout is different and maybe somebody doesn't want to take care of a a yard and so they have a common area that's taken care of instead and their lot is their house. If that makes sense. That makes sense. But then wouldn't that that would be a PUB? Yes. But we're not forcing them into it. That's their choice. Yeah. It was a choice. So, can you award it to where if you go footprint lots, you have to go a PUD? Well, it is that way. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, yes. Okay. So, the answer is yes.

At their footprint lots, there's got to be some common area that they're going to be sharing, right? And so they'd have to have a peed and homeowners association and stuff to maintain it all. I'm not as worried about single family lots. Mhm. Somebody wants to come in and do 5 acre development and put actual lots and single family homes. Bring it. Yeah.

And in many of the multifamily zones, the multif family developments already have standards for xum, you know, x% common space. And so that's already really laid out. This is really just for those the single family zones and how to accommodate a variety of development types that are not multif family still single family just not the standard rectangles on in the multifamily zones RM12 RM25 you have to hit a certain acreage to even build multifamily anyways so which I think is a halfacre I'm I'm pretty So, the only thing we need to fix is the guest parking.

Well, it's correct in what I gave you in the packet. It's wrong in my presentation. Okay. I like I like that we have more guest stalls because that seems to be the biggest problem is is that there's just not enough guests parking. And that helps enlarge that. But, you know, I don't know if it'll solve the problem when you have someone with 10 cars and they're going to park all their cars in the visitor parking, but that going to have to be up to the HOA HOA and community and stuff. So, but uh I think it would help and I like that

our HOA stipulates if you're an owner, you can't park overnight in visitor parking because it's so we hardly have any and so if you are you're in trouble. I I think it's a good faith effort towards a problem that we've heard from the public right regularly. So I I think that's a great response to it slightly increasing. I don't think in the end it will solve no the guest parking. I mean Thanksgiving is still going to be a mess. Like we can't deny that. Yes. But I but Thanksgiving's a mess in my neighborhood, right? So yeah, I I I think it's a good faith effort and I appreciate the work y'all did. Yeah.

Well, this is the same stuff I put up last time, not to interrupt your discussion, but for text amendment criteria, we find this promotes the purposes of the general plan and then helps, you know, speed interpretation for applicants, developers, for you to see the kind of projects that we're interested in. So, um, that's what we're proposing. Staff is still, you know, recommending approval, but we've had nice discussion. So, however you guys want to move that forward, use the commission to the council. So, where this isn't on the agenda as a public hearing item, it's not a We did it last time, so we don't have to. Okay. Yeah, that's what the boss told me. Thank you, chairperson. I I like what you've done and I'm comfortable with with it.

Any other discussions? I will make a motion. I move that we recommend approval of the amendment as provided in the attachments with the finding noted in the staff report. I second. Could I get a roll call vote, please? Chair Anderson? Yes. Vice Chair Ericson? Yes. Commissioner Snow? Yes. Commissioner Ley? Yes. Commissioner Edwards. Abstain. I don't need to vote. Can I Can I not vote? The motion passes. Thank you. Never mind. Okay. Thanks. Now we have our staff update and other businesses.

Yeah. For the department update, I just wanted to let you know what the city is applying for. This is the season where we are trying to find money to move things along in the city. And on the planning side, there are four projects for which we submitted to Woruch Fund Regional Council. I mean, they're basically that's where most of the um money for transportation related um items, you know, gets divvied out. It's mostly federal money. And so we have um first of all a bridge over the Jordan River um in there and this is um at Bingham Junction Park and that came basically due to popular demand. There are quite a few people in the neighborhood who um you know talked with council members about it. That would be swimming across.

Yes, it would be swimming.

And um West Jordan is also on board with that. Um the other side of the river is in West Jordan and they West Jordan actually is also uh working on improvements and right in that area. So um it sort of yeah was a nice coincidence that they are working on something there. Um then the next item is um buffered bike lanes on Bingham Junction Boulevard um together with some pedestrian improvements. Um this is a project that we already sent to UD do earlier in the year but um they didn't fund us so we are trying again. And this would um add buffer bike lanes uh between um 72nd South and Center Center Street. Um there's plenty of space on the on the road, so it's relatively easy. Um the other component, the pedestrian improvement would be um right at Top Golf. there's a lot of pedestrian traffic from Top Golf to the restaurants and vice versa. Um so we submitted that then um we sub submitted um for funding on looking at our code with respect to the landscaping provisions. you know, in in the spirit of what we just talked about with the water use and preservation plan. Um, and the idea is to make everything a little more uniform, uh, simpler to administer, simpler for developers and homeowners to follow. Um,

and to especially keep the idea of water savings. I mean, we it's all in the code right now, but um it's not very consistent. Um you might remember we um approved um the water efficiency standards from the Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District, which is our um really the most important water provider we have. And that, you know, was the city's choice, but there was also a lot of incentive to to approve that. And um we just need to basically work that more into the system so that it actually works. And um it's, you know, would be preferable to have someone with more background in that, especially with regard to landscaping, you know, types of plants and so forth. So that's um the idea behind that. And then the crowning thing that hopefully will be funded this time is the land use plan. Um the land use plan hasn't been updated updated since 2016. So it's been a while. And in in these intervening years, we have updated quite a few other elements of the general plan. And we've we've even created new ones. Uh for example, the transportation master plan is brand new. Mitra never had one. And you know, we've had several plans addressing the downtown. So the the land use plan would synthesize all of that and also then with especially with respect to the land use um try to get us to the point where we have more actionable policy that the city can work

towards. So otherwise um planning conference is coming up and I think we'll have record attendance this time. So, um, and, um, we haven't signed you up yet, but it's going to happen tomorrow. So, look out for emails with instructions. So, sounds good.

And, oh, one last thing that I forgot. I know you've all been waiting for the ground rules book discussion. Um, and here is my proposal to you. Um, we have about 40 pages left in the book roundabout. There are some chapters that maybe aren't as applicable to you. So, um, I'm proposing that you read whatever you would like to read. Um, and then in October or whenever you've all done as much reading as you would like to do, we'll have

stomach. Yeah. That you can stomach. We'll have one last session where we, you know, address any questions you have. Um I will probably pick out three four principles and and what we haven't discussed yet and then we can do sort of like an overall little overview you know discussion about what have we learned you know is there anything that maybe we need to watch out for um or anything that maybe would drive changes in the bylaws or in our code. Okay. Thank you. Sounds like a plan. Well, a plan. Yeah, a plan for the planning. Yeah.

Yeah. What did you want to say? I did have something to add. Um, so I we had talked at our thank you dinner, which by the way, thank you for our thank you dinner. That was lovely. Delicious food. Thank you.

Yeah, we escaped before any Yeah. Um, and we had talked, at least in the at the table that I was at, about how great the Hillrest High Marching Band has been sounding lately. So, I found some contacts online and emailed the music directors over there. Um, it was probably a bit too detailed with too much personal information, but I did get a response. Um, so I wanted to read that because there is an invite in here for all of us. Um, it says, "We invite you, the Midvil Planning Commission, and any other community members to come to our friends and family night where we showcase CU Space Cowboy." That's the name of their program this year, um, in its entirety in a free concert held in the Husky Stadium October 17th at 7 p.m. We would love to see and meet any new friends. Also, you can follow and support us on Instagram at Hillcrest High. So, it's really

if you'd like to support and and see them, they're probably going to be at their peak on October 17th because they've been practicing for several weeks and months. So, I'd encourage you all to go out there and we might make it out there as well. So, till Friday, I'll be there. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. So, if you get a hair up your butt sometimes to just email random people, go for it. Put that in the mail. It won't be typed out. Okay, good. It's a common saying. But that's all I had and I just wanted to share. So, thank you. Well, I know some common sayings, but I don't say them. Shocking. Thank you very much.

Oh, and that was from Maryanne Tearlink, who is the Hillrest High Music Department assistant. What's the time, Kit? And I move that we close the meeting at 6:28. All in favor? I so adjourned. Cash.