City Council - Regular Meeting

one is this on okay there we go welcome everyone to our july 21st 2026 midvale city council meeting uh we're actually starting today at 6 p.m with our redevelopment agency in midvale city meeting we have just a couple of items to get through there and since we didn't have a workshop today we thought we'd start with the redevelopment agency meeting we should get through that pretty quickly and then we'll proceed to our city council meeting uh just at the top of the meeting here i wanted to let folks know uh who might be here for the rezone request at ha lalani that is going to be renoticed and rescheduled for a upcoming meeting so that as you see on the agenda has been pulled from the agenda today There's a question. No, so we will hear the one on Greenwood tonight, but the Halalani is not going to be discussed here today. So with that, we will start with the Pledge of Allegiance. If you'll stand and repeat after me.

Okay, Rory will you see who is here and who may not be here. Yes, board member Glover. The online.

He's not online. Okay. He's in London, I believe. Board member Billings.

Here.

Michelash. Here. Brown.

Present.

Ann Robinson. Here.

Okay. So we have four board members present. Are we expecting board member Glover?

He got the Zoom link, so if he can connect.

We'll just keep our eye, see if he shows up. Okay. Well, we have four board members, so we have a quorum. We can proceed. First, we'll go with public comments. Is there anyone here who would wish to address the redevelopment agency at this time? Chief Mazarin. Just to let everyone know, Chief wanted to say a few words. They have to get to a meeting at seven. So we offered this time for three minutes during public comments of the RDA. Chief.

Perfect. And thank you so much for accommodating us, as I had said earlier. And I brought Chief Hoyle to you at your last meeting to introduce him and tell you about some of the changes that are happening. And we've affectionately called it the world tour. So we're going to go around and hit all the cities and visit the mayors and councils. But Part of that, we also have a new chief, Wayne Dial, retired. So we can have Chief Lallotta come up here. He'll be going out with us, and I want to introduce you to him. So where'd he go? He's behind me. You may recognize this guy. He spent a bunch of time in Midvale doing your investigations back a while ago. Well, now he's all grown up. He's a chief now. Yeah. We're pretty excited for that. I mean, just in one week, he's already doing great things. And so he will be absolutely outstanding and we have total faith and confidence in him, but yeah, The reason I'm bringing him here and the reason this is important is because I don't feel like your police department's done a very good job showing you the shared services piece. And we are going to modify that. As you know, Chief Morrison, I met with you and we talked to you about your shared services and showed you some different things. And I think that was helpful, but I want to introduce him. I want you to be able to see his face, know who he is. If you need his phone number, I'm happy to give that to you. Call him if you have any questions or concerns, but he's here to work for you. And I want to make sure there's that personal connection so that you guys understand that, you know, you have Midville's, your precinct, but you have an entire large department with over, you know, 300 people, not including your crossing guards. So you got a lot of resources out there. And I wanted him to maybe just say a couple of things.

Well, hello for those of you that don't know me. I'm excited to be back in Midvale. I served out here, you guys, directly in the precinct model for about five years under Chief Thomas before he retired. So I'm excited to be back to serve you again, this time as chief in a little bit of a different capacity, but nonetheless serving Midvale City and their citizens. Chief Morris has been kind enough to find me an office in Midvale. So my commute's much better again. And I'm back to the precinct that I kind of grew up in as a supervisor in this department. And I'm in charge of a division that specializes in individual fields that serves your community that a lot of communities don't have. Like our violent crimes unit, for instance, they're experts in their field. So we're excited to bring that to you. You guys have always had it, but we're going to be a little more visible, a little more out there where you can see us and get to know us a little bit better. So excited for the opportunity, and it's good to be back.

Thank you, Chief Lovato. We're certainly excited to have you. I know it's no small feat to find office space here at City Hall or at the precinct, so that's a good job, Chief Morse. But I'm certainly thrilled that you're in the position and glad to have you.

Thank you. Any questions for us? Thanks for the accommodation. Absolutely.

Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to give public comment? Come on up. Yep.

I'm not sure if I should now or later, if this is about the Greenwood, should I comment now or wait until your, does that make sense?

Yeah. So we'll have time for comments during the city council meeting. Yep.

We, when we notice those, we have to notice at a specific time. So we had to do it before seven.

but the meeting will be very exciting and you'll be happy yes stay tuned okay moving on then if there is no one else who would like to address the redevelopment agency at this time we'll move on to the consent agenda we have one item to consider today and that consider the minutes of july 7th 2026 is there a motion to approve those minutes mayor i moved to approve the consent agenda Second. Okay. We have a motion and a second. Rory, will you call the yeas and nays?

Yes. Board member Brown.

Yes.

Nick Alush. Yes. Billings. Yes. And Robinson. Yes.

Okay, that passes unanimously. We'll move on. We have one action item tonight, one that I'm very excited about, and I think everyone up here will be as well. Consider resolution number 202620 RDA providing consent to enter into a memorandum of understanding with the Utah Main Street Program. Here to discuss that is Moira Gray. Welcome, Moira.

Hello RDA Board, lovely to see you. The Utah Main Street Program is housed in the Utah State Historic Preservation Office, USHPO. They are the Utah coordinating program for the Main Street America Program, which is a subsidiary of the National Trust for Historic Preservation. And they are really focused on historic preservation and revitalizing historic downtown areas. So in Utah, there are 29 communities. We are hoping to be one of those 29 communities if this goes well. And there are a whole bunch of different communities that Like to support this kind of framework working towards economic revitalization of historic downtowns the two ones in salt lake county are Murray and magna, but there are 29 communities participating in utah and 1600 participating nationally. My button is not working today. Perfect. Awesome. So the Main Street approach has kind of a four-pronged approach that focuses on economic vitality, design, promotion, and organization. And a lot of this is kind of building on stuff that we've already been doing as a Main Street, but trying to do some more capacity building, community engagement, and representation. really utilizing this four prong approach. This memorandum of understanding is to accept us as a tier one promising community. There are three different tiers, so we're at the bottom of that process. Yeah, each tier has different levels of what you're supposed to be doing within the program, different guidelines. The stuff for Tier 1, we're learning the Main Street approach, we're demonstrating our historic preservation ethic, we're doing community engagement, and then we're also reporting back how things are going, how many jobs have been created, stuff like that. And resources we get from Main Street as participating as a tier one community is we get a strategic plan work group. We get this wonderful network of other communities that are going through the exact same processes that we are. We have an ask an architect webinar, which is really cool. They have an architect on staff that staff and business and developer members of the community can go and ask questions, which is amazing. We get to work with the Utah Main Street staff, which are lovely. And then some details about this Memorandum of Understanding. There are no funds or costs associated with this MOU, so it's kind of lovely because we get all these lovely resources when we just say, yes, we'd love to work with you. This MOU would expire on June 30, 2027, at which point we can renew or sign a new MOU. And then after three years, we would need to reapply. And we also have our lovely Chelsea from the Utah Main Street program here, if she'd like to say a little bit about the program as well.

Thank you, Moira, and welcome, Chelsea. Will you just say your name for the record?

Yes, my name is Chelsea Gauthier, and I am the Utah Main Street Program Manager. As Moira mentioned earlier, we're housed within the State Historic Preservation Office, but we're under the Department of Cultural and Community Engagement. So we're really looking at our downtown areas through a preservation-based lens, but how we're activating this space as a service area, how we're bringing in all of the stakeholders within the downtown. You heard a little bit of our tiered structure. We know you guys have been doing a lot in Midvale, and we want to assure you that we meet you where you're at. You can go through the tiered process quicker if you have an organizational structure and a plan, and we will help you get to where you want to go. It's also a great opportunity for you to have national spotlights on the work that you're doing with Main Street America as well. And I'm happy to answer any questions if you have any.

Any questions from board members? We appreciate all you do and we're looking forward to working with you if the recommended motion that has magically appeared on the screen passes here today. There's no other questions or comments from council. There's a motion for you to consider.

Mayor, I move that we suspend the rules and pass resolution number 2026-20 RDA, providing consent to enter into a memorandum of understanding with the Utah Main Street Program. Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. Rory, will you call the yeas and nays?

Yes, Board Member McElhosh. Yes. Yes. Billings. Yes. Robinson. Aye. And Brown.

Yes. Okay. That passes unanimously. Thank you. We're looking forward to working with you. Thank you. Moving on. We have one discussion item and I'm also very excited about this one too. So hopefully you are as well. Discussion regarding entering into a five-year contract with craft Lake city to produce the annual letter West conference. And here to discuss that again is Moira.

Hello again. Oh,

we're not doing that yet spoilers

I can get started talking about it if everybody's okay not looking at the slides. You all have supported Letter West in the past, so I'll just give a brief overview on what Letter West is. Letter West is the nation's leading conference celebrating calligraphy and modern hand lettering. It features keynote speakers, workshops, and more from top lettering artists from around the globe, around the nation. A little bit of background information. 2024 was the first Midvale and Craft Lake City collaboration for Letter West. That was a one-year contract that we had with them. Then in 2025, based on the success of the 2024 Letter West event, We entered into a three year contract with craft like city to produce the event for 2025 2026 and 2027 i'm here before you once more. Based on the continued success of the event we would like to enter into a five year contract with craft like city to produce the event until 2032 you might notice that i'm a little early because our next. Our current contract with them doesn't expire until 2027. Something that we really, really love about Craft Lake City is how far in advance they start planning. So they are already working on finding excellent keynote speakers, excellent people to come. So just there's a little background information. And here to talk about this year's Letter West event is Craft Lake City.

We're on. Excellent.

Got here, Sriracha.

so really here with me today i'm angela h brown i'm the executive director for craft lake city thank you so much for your time today rda board and of course thank you to the city council and i just want to give a couple shout outs to the midville staff really quickly because they've been so incredible to work with so and of course mayor dustin gettle thank you so much um moira gray thank you aubrey christiansen thank you millie maloof thank you kate andrus thank you uh laura magnu thank you and Caitlin Braithwaite. Excuse me, I probably mispronounced that. But again, the Midvale staff has been so great. So as Moira mentioned, that we have produced three successful years with Midvale, and we have our fourth one. coming up on contract. We've already confirmed two really big presenters, one from Australia, who we've been working with for two years to secure him. We finally got him to sign a contract and he is just ready to come out. We also have secured another presenter from New York City who is coming around where they were a huge headliner back in the 1990s. And so now they're coming around with the 90s being so popular now. But I want to just stop here on these stats, as you can see on the screen here. These were from our surveys from last year's Letter West that 99% of Letter West attendees came from outside of Midville. So these are individuals that traveled to Midville specifically for Letter West. And that is one of the big benefits that we provide with this creative conference is essentially putting Midville City on the map and letting them because once they come here and experience what you all have to offer, they want to come back and return again. It's the local businesses. It's the architecture, it's the Main Street, and it's really the community. Also, 30% from outside of Utah. We partnered with 13 local businesses here in Midvale City, and that number just keeps going up and up. And that is something that we're dedicated to doing is promoting and partnering with more Midvale on Main Street, of course, local businesses, but broader Midvale as well. Now, one thing that was brand new for last year that when we first inked the partnership with you all three years ago was at that time, the staff really wanted a night market. And we said, yes, we will bring you a night market, but we want a couple of years to grow the event. So the very first year was one day. Then the second year was two days. Last year was two days. And we added in the night market. We were able to solidify a new partnership with the church down there by the Maverick. And it was so wonderful. I don't know if any of you had a chance to come out, but it was a free marketplace for the Medville community, just hustling and bustling. This year, we've changed the dates for 2027. So we're going to be bringing that marketplace down to City Hall in the food truck area since now that is complete. And we're happy to take that market outside just with the dates that we've done in April, which were the 10th and 11th for this year. the weather was just a little too dicey to plan outside. But now, with that being moved next year to the twenty-fourth and twenty-fifth, we just know that that's going to be great for us. Now, here on the screen, of course, you can see that these are some of the presenters as well as where they are from that came to this year's Letterwest in 2026. And we had such a great performance lineup that we will be doing that again, kind of the same format for next year. Now, we do a mix of Not only people from other states, but also local presenters as well, and, as I mentioned we've secured an international presenter again for next year, which we're really, really excited about. Now some of the kind of topics that we've talked about with letter was no letter West again it's a conference for people who love hand lettering. Now, we do talk about technology, of course. AI is all over the place. We're addressing that, too, as it is part of the creative culture. But it's so important to come back to some of these time-honored techniques, especially in this technology area, to recognize pen to paper and kind of some of the thinking that happens when you create in an analog manner. And it's about slowing down, but also lettering is really part of every type of art form, from all of the local Midvale tattoo artists that we see here on Main Street, to sign painters, to the mural making that we see with the Midvale City Los Muros Mural Festival, which also ties in really nicely. In fact, there's a lot of crossover too between attendees. that have been mural participants and also some Letter West presenters there too. So we really just feel like this partnership has worked out very well for both Midvale City as well as Craft Lake City, and we're so enthusiastic about really settling in for not only next year being the fourth year in the partnership, but an additional five to really carry us in where we can plan further out. As Moira mentioned, we're pre-planners and love to just get things in the books. And this would help us just secure that funding in order for us to continually work on getting bigger and bigger presenters and continuing to put Midvale City on the map, not only nationally, but internationally as a bastion of creativity and just a really unique place where people want to come, live, thrive, and of course, spend their dollars. So... Um, of course, one other thing that we are looking for with letter West are new partnerships. We want to involve more of the younger community. We have successfully worked with some of the schools here, but we want to involve more, and we welcome, of course, input from not only the RDA board as well as the city council and any other community members and how to do that. Of course, you're gonna receive this recap that we're kind of glossing through in order to save your time over email. So do pour through it and feel free to reach out with us with any additional questions, but we look forward to coming back again for 2027 and in future years, to partner with midville city for letter west we also have a letter west tote bag that we'd like to have you all receive and these are the tote bags that we give out to all of the letter west attendees so every letter west attendee gets a tote bag that has art supplies has information about the organization and just tools to create so we'll go ahead and pass some of those out now Thank you so much. And while we're passing those out, does anyone have any questions about Letter West?

Any questions for Angela? Well, we appreciate all you do. I know it's become, you know, one of the highlights of the year as far as the programming that we have on Main Street. I'm always shocked at just the number of people, how excited they are. And, you know, the past year and adding the new market was incredible. That was jam packed as well. So, yeah. what you guys do, I think is, is just everything that we're doing to try to revitalize and activate main street. You guys have become a great partner in doing so.

So we really appreciate those words. And of course, appreciate your in-person support being there as well. Thank you. Great.

Okay. Thank you so much. And Moira, do you have anything else to add? This is a discussion item. It'll come back to us for approval.

Yeah, this is a discussion item. Just one quick thing. The contract changes from this contract to our previous contracts with Craft Lake City that I wanted to make sure you're aware of. The term of this agreement is for five years. We've previously done it for three and one, so I wanted to make you aware of that. And then the other thing is we have a 3% annual increase in what we are paying them to put on the event because we really want to combat inflation, especially with the longer term. We want to make sure they have all the resources they need to successfully execute this event. Also, here are just basics from the contract on who's in charge of what. And one thing to point out is community engagement. Craft Lake City always has a lovely free activity for the Midvale community, so you don't need to have a ticket to Letter West to necessarily participate in some of the festivities.

Is this funded through the Main Street events budget? Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Moira, is there a way for us to try to figure out the economic impact of Letter West and just how it's helping the businesses on Main Street?

Absolutely. That is actually a really good suggestion because we've heard anecdotally, of course, in our business alliance meetings that, yes, this does help. Having boots on the ground on Main Street is, of course, very helpful for sales and even for referrals for some of the tattoo shops, that it does work, it is working. But I think you're right that getting some data behind that could probably be very helpful in the future. Awesome.

Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions, comments from the board? Okay. Thank you. We look forward to this coming back in our next RDA meeting. Okay. That we do not have a closed session for the RDA. So I'll look for a motion to adjourn RDA and go into our city council meeting.

Motion to adjourn. And move into city council. Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor of adjournment, say aye. Yes. Are there any opposed? Okay, we are adjourned from the RDA meeting. Okay, this is one of those things.

Let me just confer one second.

This is one of those things we tried to extend as long as we could to get to 630. But because we've noticed the city council meeting to start at 630, we kind of all have to awkwardly sit here for the next six minutes. So there is time to go to blacksmith ice cream if you all want to. But we will reconvene city council meeting at 630. Yeah.

Mayor Mrakas, So if I plug it in now, we can test and see if it works, so yeah. Mayor Mrakas, Just make sure we're getting when the time comes. Mayor Mrakas, Mayor, I think you're gonna have to remind people.

Thanks guys. Two minute warning.

Hey, welcome everyone. It is now 630 on the dot so we can proceed with our city council meeting July 21 2026. For those who weren't here we had an RDA meeting redevelopment agency meeting from six to 630 we did already do the Pledge of Allegiance I've confirmed that there's no desire to do a second Pledge of Allegiance. So we are going to go straight to roll call and see who's here.

Okay, Council Member Robinson. Here. McElhosh. Here. Brown.

Here.

And Billings. Here. Council Member Glover is excused.

Okay, that's four of us. We have a quorum. We can proceed. First item on the agenda today is an update from the Unified Fire Authority. And here to give that report, as always, is Chief Kaye. Welcome, Chief. I know it's been a busy 10 days or so for firefighters. Yeah.

Definitely has been. Thanks, Mayor and Council, for the opportunity to report out this evening. Got a couple of things that I want to talk to before we get to the quarterly report. The first one is related to the fireworks ban. I just wanted to say thank you to Midvale City for choosing to opt in to the fireworks ban. We appreciate your commitment to public safety and And we support your decision in opting in. Just for your awareness in the UFA response area, Taylorsville, Kearns, Riverton, and Harriman chose not to opt in. So they are going to allow fireworks in their community. The rest of the east side bench is going to be, they opted in for the UFA area. So again, thank you for that. Speaking of the wildland fire risk, I just wanted to highlight one of our divisions. Our wildland division is staffed with eight full-time sworn personnel and 26 seasonal. They staff a Type 2 initial attack hand crew that is available nationwide, as well as two wildland engines and a 10-person fuels crew that stays here locally. And then we also do a year-round single resource program. that supports both local and national incidents. So they've already had a busy summer with multiple deployments across the west. Close to home, our wildland division responds to local wildfires, conducts wildfire risk assessment, develops community wildfire protection plans, provides firewise education, completes fuel mitigation projects, and serves as UFA's wildland duty officer for fires within our jurisdiction. I just wanna highlight the wildland duty officer piece. We are the only municipal fire department in the state that has an MOU with the state where we can order, our wildland duty officers can order state resources directly from the Northern Utah Interagency Fire Center. So we're able to get aircraft and other resources on scene very quickly, which is a huge benefit to our community. A couple of safety messages. We're focusing on e-bike and e-scooter safety. We've seen an uptick in e-bike and e-scooter accidents over the last several months. So a couple of reminders. A lot of these e-bikes and e-scooters can reach up to 20 to 28 miles per hour. And there's multiple YouTube channels on how to bypass the governor, which then they can go extremely fast, over 40 miles an hour. So... We want parents to know that today's e-bikes often behave more like small motorcycles than traditional bicycles, and they should be ridden with the same level of caution. So some points to remember, e-bikes and scooters are not toys. The speed significantly increases stopping distance and the severity of the crashes. Parents should ensure children are riding age-appropriate devices, understand the rules of the road, and always wear a properly fitted helmet. Riders should obey traffic laws, stay alert, avoid distractions such as phones or earbuds, and ride predictably around vehicles and pedestrians. Emergency departments nationwide continue to report increasing injuries involving e-bikes and e-scooters, particularly among youth. And Utah law now requires riders under age 21 to wear a helmet. So a couple of reminders there for the community. And the second one is we know how hot it's been the last couple of weeks. And just a reminder that hot cars can turn deadly in minutes. So a reminder to... To stop, look, and then lock. Make sure that we don't have kids and pets that we've unintentionally left in the vehicle. So some data. A parked vehicle can heat up by approximately 20 degrees in just 10 minutes, even on a mild day. A child's body heats up three times faster than an adult's, making children especially vulnerable to heat stroke. Heat stroke begins when the body's core reaches about 104 and becomes fatal around 107. So just a reminder that stop, look, and lock. Okay, for the quarterly report for Midvale City, you can see the numbers there. 983 total incidents, 324 of those were classified as emergent. Again, our top fire calls for the quarter, vegetation and grass fires, and then other outside fires and cooking fires. So remain there. Sick persons and falls continue to be our top EMS call. Our total response time is still maintains that kind of that 629 average, which we've kind of been staying at. So we're really comfortable and happy with the crew's performance with that response time. Midvale remains in the third position for busiest city among UFA. And so, yeah, so that's quarter two. So for June, 318 total incidents, 99 of those were emergent. Vegetation was the top fire response. Sick and falls, again, our top EMS response. And we had a 621 emergent response time for the month of June, so. That ends my report. Happy to take any questions.

Thank you, Chief. Yeah, would you mind just...

It was on the bottom here.

It doesn't show up on this report because we had two fires in July. This report ends June 30th. So would you mind discussing those two fires?

We talked about that before the meeting and I totally missed it. But yes, we've had two major house fires in the last couple of weeks in Menville. One was right here behind... Behind City Hall that one was an outbuilding that extended to an RV and then into some trees and other shrubbery pretty pretty fast-moving fire that that moved quickly I was actually at City Hall for a meeting and I had left my notebook in my truck So I walked back out to get it and I turned around and by that time it was a huge header coming up so I ran over there and and helped out well while I could and I want to say thanks to UPD. They were super helpful on that. We were circling the neighborhood trying to find which avenue it was on because it was kind of hard to tell. So super helpful. They shut down traffic for us and started evacuating all the homes around it. And then I want to mention the blacksmith ice cream shop over here on Main Street. They opened up their doors to the police and firefighters, and they were able to go over there and get some ice cream after work. after they got done. So thanks to them and thanks to the firefighters. You know, those are two hot days and the second one was started on the exterior of the home and some dry vegetation and then, you know, extended into the house. Yeah, it's seen an uptick. We've seen several large fires in Mill Creek and Holiday, Magna. So it's busy and it's hot and it's dry.

Do you know the cause of either of those?

I don't know the cause of either of those. The one right here started inside the outbuilding and then extended. And then I don't know. We haven't determined the cause for the both of them, but...

Hey, thank you, Chief. And we just want to say thank you. Stations 125, 126. Also, I know we had mutual aid coming in from other cities. So both of these fires were a huge effort from our folks. And we just appreciate all that you do. We wish to give you more than ice cream. But we're glad that we have the best firefighting unit here today. in midvale i'm very very thankful that especially on third ave and and the fire on birch street those could have been spread to other houses and been much much worse but for the quick response of ufa and upd as well so thank you very much thank you thank you Okay, we'll move on to public comments. Before, I just want to let everyone know, we have a public hearing scheduled for tonight. There will be a part of that public hearing where we'll call people up who want to speak specifically on the public hearing. So this public comment section would be for anything else that's not scheduled for a public hearing tonight. So if there's anyone who would like to address the council for any reason not scheduled for public hearing, now's the time to do so. And each speaker will be given three minutes. And if you'll just state your name for the record.

My name is Diane Bjornson, and I live at 594 East 7500 South, which is east of State Street. My comment is about the tracks crossings. The tracks crossing arms come down, and they are down for so long. And I just want to register a complaint, and I think that something should be done, because when both trains have already passed and you still have to wait there for another 10 minutes while the one that's going south has to unload and load up and take off again, I think that that's horrendous. yesterday i was in the line for 10 minutes and the train hadn't moved i ended up having to turn around and go south to 80th so that i could get across when i was going to the east and i've seen it happen several times so i just want i i know that you probably don't have anything to do with that but if you could maybe support us in in complaining about that that once the train goes past it should be opened again so that the traffic can go through so that it doesn't back up from the track station to state street or from the track station clear down to main street so that was my comment okay

Thank you, Diane. We appreciate that. And we can certainly reach out to our partners at UTA and see if there's maybe a signaling issue there. Is there anyone else who would like to give public comment again on an item that's not set for a public hearing tonight? I thought you might have something to say, Lorraine. Just state your name for the record.

Lorraine Butler. I'm 7500. Um, I was witness to one of that fires and I appreciate the fire department, all seven fire trucks that were there, the command center, they did a wonderful job and they contained it just to that house. And there's a lot of really, really close properties with a lot of really bad tinder, dry, tender, dry. grass so i was grateful for them i want to express my gratitude because it didn't happen at my house it's right across the street from me and they did they did loss it's a pretty good loss so we're feeling we're feeling the loss of that so i appreciate that um i was wondering also is there an ordinance for airbnbs in in condos the new the ones that are being has anything passed here because I haven't been able to be here for a long time but I know that there are airbnbs that are being opened in the condos so I was just like to address that and wondering about it because parking is bad enough as it is airbnbs don't make even any much fun um also there's a there's banners hanging on state street all the time saying the first full week of august for harvest days. I want to know why we're false advertising. And it's been that way for two or three years. I didn't realize it was going to be at the end of July. Harvest days has always been the first full week of August. And so when it's changed, I haven't been able to adjust myself to that. July has two holidays. I didn't need a third to try and go in there. So that's what I was wondering about that, why it had changed to not the first full week. And if all the banners are going to say the first full week, maybe they ought to not be up there because I know they read them. I read them when I go down State Street. And is baseball banned in Midvale? I know. I like the faces. Tell me where there is more other than up in Seventh East. I know all the baseball fields have been taken away. Is that true?

There's a pretty big baseball field at Bingham Junction Park right behind Topgolf. That's the one I can think of off the top of my head. But yeah, you're right. Multiple fields at Seventh East. The high school obviously has...

But the high school can't take... You know, they don't take Little League or anything like that. So I just know that this was a great place to come and watch baseball when my kids were little, when they were growing up and their cousins played. And school took one. This took another. I know someone else is going to take another one. So if we could get some other than the one back there because nobody up east knows about them. Okay? Thanks. It's nice to see you.

Thanks. Good to see you. It's been a while. Is there anyone else who would like to get a public comment? Davey? State your name for the record, though I just did for you.

I am Davey Byrd. I'm the manager at the Tyler Library here in Midvale. And I just wanted to let you guys know we're excited about Harvest Days next week, even if it might not be the first full week of August. But we wanted to invite everybody to the library night, which is on Thursday night of that week, so July 30th, from 5 to 8. And we will be having mini train rides again. We're going to have a magic show. We're going to have an open time for people to share stories. We're trying to do a... Potentially a storytelling festival here in midville and this will be kind of like a test run of that So if you want to come tell jokes and stories mayor But also we will have games crafts we've got an art show that you guys can come see at the library from fellow neighbors that have put in their little mini art and also Your Ruth Vine Tyler Library was awarded the Hall of Honors from the Midvale Arts Council. If you'd like to come in and say, great. I guess I don't know what to say. Support us. It is on July 29th at 7 p.m. And it is at the Performing Arts Building here. That building has been in Midvale for years. 55 years 56 maybe and before that it was also the midville library which we should be getting a new one of those coming up soon so we're very excited thanks for all the support and thanks for your time okay thank you davey we appreciate you is there anyone else who would like to give public comment and just state your name for the record uh yeah hi city council my name is george pollard

And my wife and I moved into Midvale about 14 years ago. Well, we moved into a little house on 7350 South. Well, 7350 South is a private lane. The first thing we noticed when we moved in was the street repair was really in bad need of repair, asphalt. So we thought, well, we got to do something about that. Let's call the city council, see if we can get the city council to come out, take a look at it, and perhaps they would take, you know, consideration of, you know, giving our road a new pavement. Well, of course, you know, we got told the same thing that everybody else is told, that it's a private lane, and we're responsible for our own repairs. Then I looked at my bill, I noticed that we have been paying for a light. on our street, that $5 a month is not much. Nevertheless, it's $5 a month. And we've lived there for 14 years. You add that up, that's quite a bit of money we're paying for a light that isn't there. We were told that they were going to put a light on the street. They never did, and they never have. So we'd like to see a light put on our street, or at least two of them. as we were told that they would do, but they have never done. Next, we'd like to have the city council reconsider perhaps coming down the lane and looking at it and maybe give us a break or find some grace, maybe a little bit of mercy that will go along with it, too, to give us a new asphalt road. It's only 600 feet. Either that, or maybe the city council might consider us, as we make the repairs ourself, to give us a reimbursement for the repairs that we have to make ourself to keep that road from somebody breaking their neck or having an accident on the road. So those are my two concerns that I want to bring before the city council today. First, a light that we were told was going to go up, but it never has. I wanted the city council to reconsider, maybe give us a little grace on putting a new asphalt road, which was really needed. And everybody that I know that moves into that neighborhood has the same gripe, has the same complaint. What are we going to do about the road? Well, I just said, you've got to call the city council and find out for yourself. And when they do, they're pretty just, you know, it's disheartening to hear what they have to say. So these are the two things I'd like the city council to consider. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you, George. We appreciate your comments. Is there anyone else who would like to get public comment? Step right up. It's addictive once a couple people do it.

Sorry, I'm actually coming up because George is my neighbor. And just to give some context to the road, sorry, I'm Savannah Rodriguez, and I live on the same road as George. To give some context, we have about six homes on this road. But it was, I don't know the history fully, but it was likely developed, I believe, in the early 2000s from a large farm plot. into several parcel pieces of land that were a part of an HOA, which has since dissolved. I've just moved in, and I also wondered why the road was in such a state of disrepair. And also, there is no way for like, we can't put our trash cans out. We have to take it clear down to the main road, which as you can imagine, on an asphalt road that has multiple, multiple, multiple potholes is a challenge. So my question is actually, if not you, who do I go to to petition a change? Because I know that those kinds of things are not necessarily on this level of city council you will handle, but if you could direct me to who I need to go to make that sort of change happen, I'd love to be a part of that and help and work with George, because I know sometimes you guys have a lot going on and a single street might not be the highest priority for you guys, but for us, it is the highest priority. So where can I, or what can I do? Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, I think that makes perfect sense. And, you know, we, it's difficult for us when it's a private street. So, you know, on the surface, it sounds like, yeah, why doesn't Mid-Bell City just do that? But we don't have the right to do that.

Can I ask who owns it? Does that work?

Yeah. Well, that was my question for Garrett that we should look into is, it's weird that the HOA dissolved without a plan. So I think, I don't even know if that's necessarily legal. Because then who's responsible for that? And so I think step one is to find out if that's even something that's permitted. And then you guys might have to, regardless of what happens, form an HOA. to maintain your property regardless of the road situation, right?

Because- No, no, I understand what you're saying.

So I think step one is in our city, do we allow that? A private road that is unowned because technically that's who the owner would be, the HOA that has since dissolved. And then, you know, what's unfortunate is for years they should have been collecting so that when the road was coming. So to put that kind of on the city is not necessarily- You know, all HOAs would just do spam and then come to us and say, hey.

And I just moved in six months ago. So I'm also like you. I'm like, I don't really know what to do. And that's why I came in. I was like, who do I go to or what do I do? I'd love to have the tools and resources. So if I need to email you, is there someone I should email?

You could email me. I was going to suggest we have members of our planning staff here tonight. So it might be that someone could talk to you out in the lobby. I know you might be here for the...

That's great. I'll wait hearing as well.

Sounds good. But yeah, we would love to give you contact information, you know, something we can look into and trying to figure out a solution.

Appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to give public comment? Scanning the room, I don't see anyone motioning to come up. So we will move on from public comments. And again, there will be time to speak about the public hearings if you're here to speak about that. So we will start with council reports. As we always do, we'll start in District 1 with Councilmember Bonnie Billings.

Nothing today, Premier. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. District 2 Councilmember Paul Glover is in London, England, I believe, at this point. Oh, he's on. Mayor, can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you, Paul. Welcome from England, huh?

Yes. It's, what, about 2 o'clock in the morning here almost? We appreciate you being here. We are sailing out of Southampton, England, and going to Cornish, England, so somewhere in the sea between us. It took me a few minutes to try to get this connection working, but it finally worked. It's good to be here. Comments from me? I'd just like to thank the miracle that the county passed, the committee passed the bond or not the bond, but the amount of money for us, they get our rec center. Uh, I've been working on this for longer than I'm alive, I think. And, uh, I was getting very discouraged, but I am very happy now. So thank you. That was great. Good job. Uh, just hello from jolly old England.

Well, we appreciate the dedication it takes to wake up at 2 a.m. if you were asleep. Maybe you've been partying this whole time. No, I went to sleep. We're glad you're here. We'll have more to speak of regarding the recreation center in the next few weeks. But for the interest of time, we were going to skip that discussion tonight. But we do. I want to note that, Paul, you have been, Councilmember Glover, you've been very instrumental in positioning us in the way that we've been positioned to hopefully get a rec center here in Midvale. So thank you for your efforts as well. Good to be with you. Okay, we'll move on to District 3, Councilmember Heidi Robinson.

Thanks, Mayor. As it's been brought up more than one time tonight, next week is the start of Harvest Festival. So I would suggest popping on to Engage Midvale and see if you're having any block parties or if you want to attend. Hall of Honors or go to our lovely library and see their event. There is something every night of the week and it's one of my most favorite things we do in the city, like culmination in the parade and everything at the park. I really hope to see everybody there. It's one of the best things we put on in my opinion. There will be fireworks this year, but the Utah State Fire Marshal has permitted that and everything, so we will do this as safe as possible just so everybody knows, but please make sure you look up. It's the next Saturday night. Check out the fireworks. That's all I have tonight, Mayor.

Okay, thank you. I'll move on to District 4, Councilmember Bryant-Brown.

Thanks, Mayor. I only have a couple things. First, I want to very much echo the complaint about the tracks. I've brought that up at City Council several times because I live right behind that one. And it's even worse than how she sort of explained it because sometimes the arms will go up, but there's these lights. But if there's no pedestrian, I still don't know why those turn on. They should not turn on unless someone activates it. Because the lights will turn red. The arms will go down. The train will come and go. The arms will go up, but the light will stay red. We wait for sometimes two minutes. Then the arms come back down. If there's nobody pushing the button, the light should not turn on. I don't know how else to say that. There's no reason for that light. Cause if the arms aren't enough, then there's like other problems, right? Like if people are blowing through it. So the arms are long and the lights five to 20 seconds longer. So we, on the main street one or the center street, like they cannot turn on unless a pedestrian pushes it. My second point is You know, one thing that I think people need to realize, you know, being an elected official, we make our decisions. And if we only base fireworks, banning fireworks or not based on it being dry and hot, then July 4th would never have fireworks, right? Because we live in a desert and July 4th is always hot. So really our decision-making process is based on how much rain we get, how dry it is, the resources of the fire department, right? So for some cities to make decisions, that's fine if they wanna put their fire departments and their water resources at risk. So for us, a single rainstorm doesn't necessarily change the equation. And I think that's very unfortunate that some cities had one rainstorm today and thought, well, shoot, let's have fireworks. Because as we've seen, we've had two pretty serious fires in Midvale. I'm guessing part of that equation is we're trying to conserve water It's really hot. We're going to set a record month at average temperatures, right? And so unfortunately, we kind of are continuing trying to be good stewards of Midvale, right? So it's not a simple, oh, it rained today. Things are great, right? So I'm sorry. I love the fireworks. I can show you tons of photos of my kids and me spending a small fortune on fireworks every year. They're sad. We're sad, but I'm glad that we're still doing it as a city. And hopefully next year, hopefully we have a great winter. And we don't have to have this conversation. That's all.

Okay. Thank you. Moving on to district five council member, Denise Michelosh joining us from Cleveland, Ohio. Is that where you are tonight?

Jolly Cleveland. Mine is jolly Cleveland, too. No, thank you, Mayor. I just want to reiterate a big thank you to UFA for the response time to the homes that we've been speaking about that were burnt down. And my heart goes out to the residents and having to deal with that and also their guidance and support on the fireworks ban. um as councilman brown said you know it there's it's a heavy decision but i think it's for the long term um i also want to say hope to see you all next week at harvest days um so many activities so ways so many ways to get engaged and we will all be there and would love to engage with you so thank you okay thank you council member safe travels home to you and council member glover

Moving on to Mayor's report, I'll be as brief as humanly possible, mostly because the things I have on my list have already been discussed by a council member, so there's no need to reiterate. One thing I will say, just to give some clarification about the fireworks ban Chief Kay mentioned earlier, that we have opted into a citywide fireworks ban for Pioneer Day. It's not a decision that we arrived at lightly. We do understand that people enjoy having fireworks as part of their July 4th and Pioneer Day holidays. But the indication from around the state and with the State Forester, which is a position I'll be honest, didn't know existed until the July 4th holiday. Seems like a really cool job title. But the State Forester has told us that here in Salt Lake County, we are under a very severe situation. fire risk. We can go outside and feel the temperatures outside. Just does not seem like an appropriate time to allow for fireworks discharge in residential neighborhoods. So we did submit our paperwork today. TO THE STATE FORESTERS OFFICE TO GET THE FINAL APPROVAL TO BAN FIREWORKS CITYWIDE FOR THIS PIONEER DAY. AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING THAT GIVES ANY OF US GREAT JOY TAKING THAT AWAY FROM THE FOLKS WHO WANT TO DO IT. BUT FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, WE DEFINITELY FEEL THIS YEAR COMPARED TO YEARS PAST IS CERTAINLY AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO SO. AND YOU'LL NOTE THAT CHIEF KAY WITH ALL OF HIS EXPERIENCE WITH in the UFA and other fire organizations. I think every fire professional around Salt Lake County agrees with these bans. So, you know, I really hope that some of the other cities that have allowed fireworks, West Jordan being one of them, shares a border with us. Just hope that everyone is very, very safe. in discharging fireworks in those communities because fires do not stop at municipal borders. They can spread. And we're certainly not wanting any of that to happen. So if there's anyone listening from West Jordan or any surrounding cities to Midvale, please be very responsible. Again, fire does not stop at the municipal border. But we appreciate all the efforts. City staff, our city manager spent most of the day yesterday and today putting together that application. So we're hoping to get word and then we'll communicate that to the greater public once hopefully the state forester approves our application. our notification that we intend to ban fireworks. As council member Brown said on August 1st, Saturday, August 1st, 10 PM, we will have a professional firework show at the city park. So we hope that folks who are disappointed in the decision will at least join us at the city park for a fireworks show that again, you know, I think is one of the best firework shows in the entire city. Valley, because I mean, it's the last one of the year, typically, and we get a pretty good show out of it. So hope to see everyone at that and other events. I look forward to the block parties each year. I think I gain about 10 pounds because I try to get to as many or as all of the block parties as I can. And there's always a lot of great food from a lot of folks. So Looking forward to that next week, Monday and Tuesday. Then Wednesday, as Davey mentioned, Hall of Honors and an art contest at the MPAC building right on Center and Main. We're so thrilled that Ruth Vine Tyler Library is going to be enshrined in the Hall of Honors. Some people have asked, is this the send-off to the library? Because we are going to get a new modern library at the City Park. But no, I think it's a well-deserved honor that We could have done many years ago because it's been such an institution within Midvale. Other than that, we do have the library event itself on Thursday, concert in the park on Friday, and then of course the parade on Saturday, all day vendors at the park on Saturday culminating in the fireworks event. So we're super excited. Lorraine, we will get those banners updated to make sure that everyone knows exactly when Harvest Days is going forward. So we appreciate that feedback.

i know i said i was going to be brief i wasn't very brief i apologize uh we'll move on to city manager report city manager matt doll obviously um okay so i wasn't going to go over anything but we had a lot of good comments so i was just going to go over some of the things that were mentioned um thank you uh while i I know you have mentioned that before. I feel like we had followed up, but I'm not sure if they just never moved forward with the crossing arm light issue or if it like reset back into that pattern or what that is. So I'll follow back up with it.

And I appreciate it. I know it's not us, but for the people that live there, it is so annoying.

Yeah, I understood. And so our city engineer is one who deals with traffic issues like that, and I'll have him reach out to UTA. And it may be UTA and the county working together on that, and see if we can get that addressed. And so I appreciate that getting brought back up, and we need to work on making sure we get a good fix on that. And I appreciate the... clarity that Lorraine brought up on the issue with regards to the banners. The Harvest Days Festival is, since 2019, has been on the first Monday, or first Saturday of August. And so I think, you know, we made that in a lot of years. There are more days of August in the week that led up to it. And I get that when it's on the first, when it is on the first day of August, that that can be confusing. But just for the record, everyone, when you are putting on your schedule, first Saturday of august is going to be uh harvest days the festival itself um short-term rental policy uh I do um appreciate that getting brought up it is a big issue and um Councilmember Robinson has been on us and we need to work on getting that policy finalized and um and uh I appreciate the reminder and apologize that we have not got that across the finish line for you, Councilmember Robinson. Next thing is, I was just going through and looking at the baseball fields. I know many of you might not realize that Well, as I look at this group, actually, probably most of you realize that this used to be where the baseball field was before this facility was built. At the time we built this one, we did build another... Around the time we built this, we built another field over in Bingham Junction Park. And there are the facilities at Union Park. There's also a couple of baseball fields over at... Copperview Recreation Center. And so I know we do have some more of those facilities here. There's definitely a lot of recreation facilities that we're trying to get put into place. But we haven't heard a lot of demand for baseball fields, but I appreciate you bringing that up as a consideration for us. The next thing is just, we kind of hit on the private roads. We've got we have standards for public roads and those things are going to require like sidewalks on both sides of the sidewalk and or both sides of the street and and other sort of things that if a street is going to move from a private street or be considered a public street that we need those to meet our street standards and so we can have the conversation in order to assist on um where we can provide some additional information for the private property owners to make a decision about their private property. But we've had the situation rise in different areas, asking for a private road to be converted into public or treated like that. And we've sort of held the same line that they have to meet the street standards if that's ever going to happen. And that's not us putting that together. We can talk more about that. And then related to that, this has been an issue that has been brought up before regarding the fee that is charged for streetlights. That is a good question and understandable. The fee that is paid for streetlights is not for a streetlight in front of your house. It is contributing to a streetlight system. A number of years ago, 2014, 15, somewhere in there, somewhere in 2014, 2015, there was an upgrade to many of the streetlights throughout the city and that fee contributed towards those improvements. We are working on a streetlight master plan with the goal of trying to make sure that we fill in some of the gaps where there are missing lights in the public right-of-way on our roads. And so we'll hopefully be able to address some of those areas where there are missing lights currently. I understand the confusion, but again, it's not for your private home to have one. It is for us to have a street lighting system. I think that covered other than the fact that always appreciate Davey and the events that he puts on at the library and they're a good time and appreciate all you do. You got it. It was a good time. So with that, I think I've addressed, even though we can provide fuller answers after this, the questions I've been brought up.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, City Manager Dahl. We'll move on then to public hearings. We initially had two scheduled for tonight, but again, we have canceled. We will reschedule and re-notice the... the public hearing for 7250 South Halalani Drive. So that will come back up. We will re-notice the homeowners within the range and we'll get as much communication out as possible so that folks know when to come back for that particular public hearing. So with that, we'll move on to the only public hearing then that we will be discussing here tonight, and that is to receive public comment regarding ordinance number 2026-025, authorizing a zone map amendment located at 620 East Greenwood Avenue and 7500 South 700 East to add the duplex overlay to the existing single family residential one zone. Here to discuss that, our senior planner, Elizabeth Arnold. Welcome, Elizabeth.

Thank you. I provided a vicinity map up that you are viewing that just shows some existing zoning on the surrounding properties for some context. So the properties that we're talking about are those two that are outlined in green. They total just over four acres and are a former Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint site. Everything that you see there that's in kind of that pale yellow, that's our SF1, our largest single family zone. And then everything that's in that kind of orange hatched shading nearby, that is the duplex overlay zone. So there's some that exist just kind of to the south, a little bit east, and then, you know, a little bit further north for some context. um here is a concept plan of what the developer has put together please keep in mind as with all reasons that we have not reviewed this to meet site plan standards we haven't reviewed this for a lot standards engineering has not seen this no internal departments have reviewed this so any concept that does come in would have to meet sorry it wouldn't be a concept then any site plan application would have to meet those standards we have not yet reviewed this for that so this is just for the reason application Attached and much more was included in the packet are some samples of what these duplexes could look like. Again, just a sample, not concrete, not held to. These are the standards that you see in front of you for a rezone to be passed in our code. There are three possible criterias that a project could meet in order for the city council to grant a rezone request. Staff finds in our analysis that this meets goal number one, or criterion number one and number three. So it meets the objectives of the general plan by fulfilling a community need, providing more housing options, and then for number three, a former church site that's no longer being used, we see that as an opportunity for redevelopment. I've included a motion for approval. As you know, with rezones, you can find and make a motion for whatever to table to deny. Those are always welcome to you. It was helpful for us at the Planning Commission to leave this slide up for public comment, so I will leave it here. We did receive tons of public comment at the Planning Commission level, and I'm seeing some familiar faces tonight, so I'm sure we'll have a great discussion. I included just a brief kind of summary of that meeting in your packet. I will not make an attempt to include everything. But hopefully you're able to watch the meeting if you got a chance to. And the Planning Commission did recommend approval on this. That's all I have for you, unless you have questions for me. And the applicant is here and does have some materials to provide.

Okay, thank you, Elizabeth. Let's hear from the applicant. And if you'll both just state your names for the record.

Thank you Paul. He's wears a lot of different hats and he tries to keep me on track here with our IT and different things like that. My name is Brad Reynolds and I am the applicant of the proposed Zane Rezone Rezone application. We have been building for about just over 40 years. And we primarily have specialized in custom homes. And probably into that 15 to 18 years ago, we had a number of clients come to us and say, hey, we wish there was a more quality, affordable product for kids and some of our family that are graduating from college that we'd like to try and keep in the area. So we started to look at that and we thought, hey, we ought to probably look at something a little more affordable. I mean, we've done homes for John Stockton too, for Jeff Hornacek. So we were doing a lot of large custom homes. And so we started to look at it and we thought, Hey, we need to do that. And so here probably about 23 years ago, we, um, did our very first townhome project, and it's here in Midvale, the very first one we've done. It's on the cottages on 9th at 6700 South and 900 East, and that was 22 years ago. And if you drive through it, you'll still see that it is a very nice, well-maintained project, even though it was 22 years ago. And so we did that, and there was approximately 88 people units that we built then. And then we came into Bingham Junction, we probably did the first project, first or second project into Bingham Junction, where we came in and did apartments there, 256 units. After that, and I'm just talking about projects we've done in Midvale, we came in, the gentleman that used to own Woodard Farms, I don't know how many of you are familiar with that, on about 380 East. and 7800 South, a very large parcel. And he was getting older and he approached us and said, would you consider coming in and developing our property? It had been approached by several developers because it was a very large tract of land here in Midvale. We said, sure. So we came in and we did 117 townhomes between 7800 South and 80th South. And if you look, you'll see the quality of the townhomes. And still, if you drive through it, even though it was 14 years ago, you'll be able to see that how well maintained, how nice the units still look. If you look, and it's to my left, I'm not sure where you're looking, you'll see a rambler. And that is a similar Rambler that we built back then that we're proposing to be built against the existing homes on this 7500 South project. And what we did here is it adjoins Sandy City to the east. And we had a lot of residents come to us and say, we just don't want a big, huge two-story building. What can we do? So we said, hey, let's put a row of Ramblers all along that east side. So if you drive in that subdivision, you'll see there's probably 12 duplex Ramblers that have main floor living that are all along that very east side of the project. And they were happy. You could see we do different things like even the playground, it was an old farm. We came in and did a tractor. We did some elaborate playground things just to try and make it more appealing to the community and those that are around it. After that, you know, we've done another project, just 17 units on 700 East and about 6,800 South. And they were built in 2021. Very successful project. All these were and sold out very quickly. Currently, we're working on cottages at Union Meadows. This is 117 townhomes. Normally, we don't do three-story townhomes. This was a project that was high density. It's the old CenturyLink site that was run down. Quite a few homeless people going in there camping. We came in, even though many talked to us, well, you should do apartments here. And we have really had an influx and a lot of concern that there's just not affordable, not enough affordable housing. So we've come in and made these units. They started at 400 grand and they're all three bedroom, very nice quartz countertops, nicely done. And in a matter of months, we've sold over 60 of those and another 15 or 18 are under contract. So it's been going extremely quick just because it's more affordable and there's just a real need for some more affordable housing. Now, currently the project we're proposing 700 East, 7,500 South, Elizabeth showed you the concept plan. So as you look at this plan, it's a little hard to identify, but if you had the south, it's kind of a little bit reversed, but to the very south of the project are those little bigger footprints that are those ramblers that I was talking to you about. So they're one floor living. And they have two bedrooms on the main floor. They're about 1,300, 1,350 square feet per floor with the option of finishing a basement. And then the rest of the community there that you can see a little smaller footprint, those are three bedroom townhomes. Everything has a two car garage. Most of them have driveways, full driveways. The parking we're proposing code, says that we should have 100, we have 40 additional parking stalls. So I think code requires 168, we have 248, something like that, but it's 40 more than that's what's required. As shown earlier, this is the style, the Rambler that I was talking to you about, a little more modern colors, the same as the one on the Woodard Farms, but it's a little more up-to-date colors. We do a lot of masonry. We don't do any stucco. Everything we do is either hardy board or masonry, which adds to the longevity of the project. If you come back 10, 15, 20 years, it always looks nice. You might have to put a coat of paint, but it always looks nice. You can see even in the back, each one has a little covered patio where people can go out the back and enjoy their own privacy and have a little private area there off their patio. Here's the same unit with different colors. We recently finished that in Murray, right off Winchester at 525 East, just east of Fashion Place Mall. The city came in and did a text amendment because they liked what we were doing. It was originally going to be commercial, and we came in and did a whole street with these same Rambler units. And you can see another couple of versions of those Rambler units, whether it's stone or brick, it's been very popular. And then here is the two-story unit, which we would hope that we could do some of those. They have all three bedrooms upstairs, two-car garage, And they all have a full basement. We think with what we're proposing, there is an actual picture of both units, one in brick and one done in the stone. And there's another slide there. But I think with, we've been doing this, like I mentioned, a very long time. And I think right now, I don't know if I've seen a more challenging time. It's difficult for builders with high interest rates. Costs keep going up. But even though it's challenging for a builder or developer, it's even more challenging for homeowners. There are so many that just can't qualify in these current circumstances for housing. And I think as everybody's seen the governor, everybody get on TV, hey, we're in a housing crisis. I think with what we're proposing, it would provide a diverse community and provide housing for new professionals, young families, as well as those that are empty nesters that want to stay in Midvale. So we really feel this would be a big plus for the community and the quality that we put into it. If you look at the detail of the vents, the hardy siding, the masonry, quartz inside, all two-tone paint, All on the main floor, they're all hardwood floors. We try to go out of our way to put the quality that will last forever on these units. We also, I know there was some concern on traffic. We have two traffic engineers here. If you have questions for them, they're with Hales Engineering. And so later, if you have questions, they'd be happy to come up and address those. Any questions I can answer?

Any questions from Council for Brad? Not seeing any. We appreciate you being here, and we appreciate the history of the projects you've done here. Thanks for your time. Thank you, Brad. Okay. This is, as we know, scheduled for a public hearing. Is there a motion from the Council to open this to public comment?

May I move we open this to public comment?

Second. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor of opening public comment, say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? Okay, so before we get started, we are in public comment now. I just want to let everyone know, like our public comments earlier, you'll be given three minutes each speaker. Feel free to come up. We'll have a three-minute timer. You'll be able to see it right behind my head. Hopefully my head won't be in the way. I know from watching the planning commission meeting, I know these are issues that can spark some emotions within folks, but I know those comments at planning commission were very respectful. There were definitely some high emotions, but we just want to, not that we think that's going to be a problem, but just let everyone know we expect comments to be as respectful as possible. And we know that that is what will happen, but just wanted to put that out there. So if there's anyone, any of you who would like to give public comment, please do so. And if you would, as you get to the microphone, just state your name for the record.

Okay, my name is Matt Bjornsson. I live at 594 East 7500 South. I've been there for 42 years. We built our house back in 83. And we have a share of water up there at the canal that we bring down. And I walk past those townhomes, and I feel like people are staring down at me. But anyway, Brad does a nice job. I've seen his product. I've seen the one, the twin homes he built between 78th and 80th. uh, over there. And, um, they're nice. I just wanted to encourage him to put a twin home on against the fence on the West side, instead of a two twin, uh, uh, twin homes, but just a regular, um, Rambler type twin home. Uh, cause they're really nice. And, uh, I think it'd be more fitting the same thing that he does on the, um, on the south side of the fence, just keep the same style on the west side. I would really appreciate that. So thanks for your time.

Okay, thank you, Matt. We appreciate your comments. Is there anyone else who would like to give public comment?

Go ahead, yeah.

John Fuller, hi my name is john fuller I live just two houses down from matt i'm i'm opposed to rezoning for the duplex overlay as a neighbor I want to see. John Fuller, Housing and development that encourages owner occupancy our block is made up of older homes that have a lot of character right now and there's already many duplexes and higher density options totally surrounding. Our block which you could see on the on the map so I want development that preserves the character of our neighborhood and allows the owners the opportunity to To put down roots and add to that character Duplexes are harder to own the financing is harder and when you build those kinds of units you make it more likely that absentee landlords and investors are going to own those properties and Detached homes in Utah have a 90 percent occupancy rate. Duplexes are estimated to be 40 percent. I'm also not convinced that there is a big demand for this type of luxury high-density housing in our neighborhood. There's clearly demand for single-family homes whenever they're available. There's currently 26 properties for sale within like a four-block radius of the rezoning request. Of those, only four are single-family homes. All the rest are a mix of duplexes, townhomes, and condos. There's a specific example right near Mid Valley Elementary, which is the Woodhaven development. It's on Third East and 7600 South. I think the original proposal, it's just across the border in that weird knob of sandy that intrudes on our city. But I think the original proposal was for 24 units. And as of now, only eight have been completed and they're all sitting vacant while the site remains unfinished. To me that doesn't show a demand for this, this kind of product in our neighborhood. Meanwhile, over on the other side of 7500 south. There's a 2000 square foot house that went up for just over 600 K and it was sold immediately. More anecdotal evidence is that my best friend just moved back into the neighborhood. His goal was to move close to our house and be within walking distance of us. And it took him over a year of shopping before he was able to find a detached house with a yard and garage like he wanted. So to me, that says that there's a demand for that kind of development in our neighborhood. And There's a lot of availability of other types of high density housing already. So I'd just really like to see that kind of development on that church property. Thanks.

Thank you. We appreciate the comments. If you'll just state your name for the record.

Brad Ballard. I lived in Midvale for 26 years, two different residences. and seen a lot of changes. First one after I sold the family home that I had built new and moved to a home on 75, 65 South, 700 East, right across the street from the church. Right after I moved in, I had a developer come in and buy two single-family plots to the south of me. They tore them down, and they basically destroyed one of the only reasons I moved there into that place. We wanted to stay in Midvale. I had children still in school in the area. And they put two storey units and then, you know, they looked down on my backyard. I mean, I lost all my privacy. I talked to the city planner at the time, and he said, there's no way you're going to stop this development because they've already built one across the street on the west side of 700 East. My neighbor, who was born and raised, he's my age, he was born and raised in the house next to me. We're just watching stuff disappear all around us as far as single-family homes, new developments that come in. There's one that was built right after the one next to me on the other side of... of Hillcrest Drive, the corners of Hillcrest Drive and 7th East. There was another development that was built there about the same time. I'm sure there's going to be one at a vacant lot that's been there for 14 years since I moved in right next to the current townhome or condominiums or whatever they are right past the, I guess it's probably about 7600 South 7th East. One thing I'd like to say is that if this moment does come through and Brad gets this thing going, please stay with one story. I mean, these two-story monstrosities are just, you know, they're wrecking the whole neighborhood. I mean, the two stories and three stories, we're only seeing two here now, but it's just not the same. It doesn't feel like the subdivision that I moved into at all. And if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't have moved there because of the changes that are made. I don't want to live in that kind of community. It's just not really what I wanted to do is have all these duplexes and condos and multiplexes and everything else all over the place. Midvale's pretty low, but I understand we need more housing at lower costs. But the gentleman that was up here earlier, You had a really good point. There's things that could be done. There's a lot of duplexes and stuff there for sale. They aren't selling. My wife's a real estate agent, and she says they're not going to sell. So let's not put more new units in that don't sell. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you, Brad. We appreciate your comments. Is there anyone else who would like to give public comment? And please just state your name for the record.

Hello. My name is Gretchen Fuller. I also live next to the properties on Greenwood Avenue, about four houses down. And I'm here tonight to respectfully ask you to deny the request for a duplex overlay on these parcels. I understand that this property will eventually be rid of redeveloped, and I support thoughtful redevelopment. However, I believe it should remain limited in scale and consistent with the character of the existing neighborhood that we live in. The property can be redeveloped under the existing SF1 zoning, and Midvale's code says rezoning should be discouraged and approved only under limited circumstances, and I do not believe that these circumstances have been met on both 1 and 3. My concern is the proposed overlay would allow a level of development that is too large for this area. More homes mean more traffic, more parked cars, more daily activity on our street, 7th East and Greenwood Avenue and the surrounding neighborhood streets. It is also important that the redevelopment preserves the existing access to the water rights that we already have in this neighborhood. these practical issues that affect both current residents and the families who would be interested in moving into this neighborhood we would all like this to be a safe and well-placed planned place to call home i'd also ask the city council to consider if this property can be successfully redeveloped under the sf1 zoning why is the duplex overlay necessary what public benefit does the rezoning provide that cannot be achieved under the current zoning For these reasons, I'd respectfully ask you to preserve the existing zoning and allow redevelopment to occur at a scale that fits the existing neighborhood and reflects the intent of the current zoning policies. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Okay, thank you. We appreciate that. Just state your name for the record.

My name is Christopher Evans. I am an attorney. I have a wife and three children. I live right across the street from the church on 7500 South. I read through the packet, all 51 pages, and frankly, in all those 51 pages, there was nothing that would really allow for this proposal. On page three of the packet, citing to the municipal code 17-3-1, resigning land is to be discouraged and allowed only under the limited circumstances. And at no point have I seen that anyone has actually discouraged anything in what is being proposed here. It then goes on, quote, the Planning Commission may recommend that the City Council may grant a rezoning application only if it determines in written findings that the proposed rezoning is consistent with the policies and goals of the general plan and that the applicant has demonstrated one of three other elements. I looked up the general plan and this predicate element Before we even get to the rest, chapter three of the general plan identifies nine opportunity areas that anticipates future growth. This is not one of those areas. This is not an opportunity area, which means it's a de facto stability area, which is defined in general plan page 50, which the goals for the stability areas are one, support property maintenance and neighborhood stability. The number one goal of the general plan would be completely upended by this proposal. None of the other goals in that plan are even close or relevant to this one. So this proposal creates more traffic, a more dense population area that is not ready for it, does not want it clearly. And instead of middle class homeowners buying their little share of the American dream here, we're creating renters. The available evidence is that 40 to 60% of multifamily units are rentals in the state of Utah. I believe in Salt Lake County itself. Or as people have said that they're just going vacant because they go towards people's portfolios and they could just borrow against the property. The multifamily dwelling sitting kitty corner on 700 East, there's 10 of them owned by only two separate entities. Two entities own all 10 of those that are kitty corner to this proposal. And that's what usually happens is somebody comes in and it's an investment property. For the other three elements that were mentioned by the city planner here, is obviously it's not a clerical error. She mentioned three is that the land has changed and no one should really, no one should be claiming that the land has changed. The city planner said this one applies. The code says, quote, surrounding environs have to have changed means it cannot be the plot itself that has changed. You can't change the plot and then say the surrounding environs have changed because we're proposing to change it right here. That is not what the municipal code says. And this is not necessary to comply with the general plan because as we already showed, the general plan does not say that. The presumption is that the plan and the zoning stays the same. Going back to the packet, packet page five, Midville has the authority to improve the morals, peace, good order, comfort, and convenience. This does none of that. This is a company that couldn't even be bothered to spell Greenwood Avenue on the proposal. It said Glenwood on it. Thank you.

Okay, thank you, Christopher. We appreciate your comments.

there anyone else who would like to give public comment at this time if you want to just state your name for the record yes here my name is elizabeth chipman i'm not as studied in all the history and the paperwork and the zoning know materials that you're all maybe more familiar with i'm just kind of coming from an experiential point of view um i bought my address as part of briarwood springs condominiums and it's a huge you know area with lots of condos so it's pretty high density a lot of them are three stories excuse me did i bump this Anyway, I kind of like the feel of they have a lot of trees, but the trees are going away because a lot of people are not invested in keeping the environment beautiful there. It seems like when things are crammed together and there's sort of Like widget semis, you know, this one looks like this one, looks like this one, and they're all, you know, there's a whole row of them that are near me that are a different condo HOA. And there's no one to take care of the bigger trees. They're going away. The people don't have a way to maintain it. And there is the canal there, and it's a very sensitive area. It could be made beautiful. It could be made kind of the communication just isn't there between Midvale, Sandy, and the canal people. and you try and find out what's going on, nobody can tell you. It's sort of, and a lot of people are just running across the street, nearly getting run over to get to Harmon's. So there's lots of, There's a little walkway, the gates and the fences that used to be around that were knocked down, knocked down, knocked down. Finally, I talked to the people who were out there fixing it. I said, talk to Sandy, see if they can get it set up with big barriers and stuff. You won't have to pay for that over and over again. Well, then it happened. But there's a lot of transitional stuff there. It's a big conglomerate. And I think the people that live in a neighborhood where they've lived there and they have neighbors and each yard is creative. And I don't like the little peaks and the little modern colors and the... It just all looks the same. To me, it is very unappealing. I probably way used over my time.

Yeah, 20 seconds if you don't want it.

Oh, I'll keep going. Okay. But I like the places where people can... Be together like in the park and places like that. If this one could be maybe half a park and have two dwellings or something, but I really sick of the two story three story. The corner of. 7200 and 9th East that five story building and all the businesses that have. Everything is so crowded and so noisy. I have friends that will not even come and visit because they don't want to come through there. And so I hope we don't have higher density.

Okay. Thank you, Elizabeth. We appreciate that. Anyone else like to get public comment, state your name for the record.

My name is John Welley. I live in a neighborhood. I'll try to keep this brief because I think we have heard it before. Again, when I look at the code talking about how the neighborhood and the environments have changed, I'm not seeing that. So I am unconvinced that the neighborhood meets the criteria for having been changed already. The character of the neighborhood is stable. And so I'm unconvinced of that. I've also heard the claim that you can't develop single family homes there. I'm also unconvinced of that. I think that there's evidence that there is single family house development that has been successful. And I think that that would be a good and legitimate use for that redevelopment area there to keep that neighborhood character the way it is. For those reasons, again, that's what I'm encouraging. I think it's a great walkable neighborhood. I think it's a good neighborhood that I enjoy living in. So thank you. Okay. Thank you, John.

And if you can state your name for the record again.

Savannah Rodriguez, I just keep coming up here. So I just wanted to say, I know that a lot of these things are being repeated, but one thing that I haven't heard talked about is the fact that this plot actually sits right next to a four-way stop, which directly feeds into the high school, which is right nearby Hillcrest High School. So this is actually a location that will see a lot of foot traffic on the daily. And I am concerned with the fact that this neighborhood does not, as other people have pointed out, the current zone is one for single family housing. And... the duplexes inherently double the baseline household and vehicle number in the area automatically. And he also wants to introduce more than just the duplexes because he wants to introduce those townhome style ones that were like taller. And those ones didn't always have a driveway even to park in. And so we are introducing duplexes more parking, more traffic on this road that will directly affect the high schoolers that will be walking home. Not a question of if they will be walking home because it is close enough that they are required. They don't have a bus system for this area. Also, I just wanna point out that when you rezone an area, you open up the possibility to rezone other areas nearby. A lot of the argument for the rezone is that there is across the street a similar zone. And so when we rezone, we encourage or open up a door. And so my request to you city council members is to please don't rezone it. There is a reason that there are this many people here tonight and it's because they love the area, they love the zone, they'd like to keep it. That's all I have to say.

Okay, thank you, Savannah. Would anyone else like to give public comment?

hi my name is Sasha Evans my husband spoke earlier, and I just wanted to reiterate that I live directly across from where the churches, right now I have a profoundly autistic child. And he has issues with the loping I am very concerned about the traffic i'm very concerned about the children that go to the middle school and the elementary school, as well as the high school. And I just feel like it's going to create a dangerous situation for just people, pedestrians in general. So besides that, my father emigrated here into the United States, into Utah in the 80s. He was escaping a genocide-torn country to make the American dream here. And I am his daughter. I am the daughter of two immigrants, one from Mexico, one from Guatemala. I'm here for my American dream. I know that there are others that also want their American dream too. And I question how conducive this is to that dream. I don't want this dream to die for other people. and i just sincerely hope that you take deeply into consideration what this will mean and all the argument that everybody has given today and i thank you for your time okay thank you sasha we appreciate that is there anyone else who would like to give public comment

And just state your name for the record.

My name is Barbara Smith, and I live at 639 East, 7500 South, so right across the street from the church. And I've lived in that house since 1976. And my family moved in, and we really loved the neighborhood, and that it was single-family homes seemed like a really safe place to raise a family, and it felt like a very stable area as far as home values went. and although there are some areas that have duplexes, we've noticed a lot of them turn into rental type situations and a lot of them get run down and they do have a tendency to bring down home values in the areas where they go in. Also, as other people have stated, there's a big traffic concern, people parking on the street and a lot of extra cars going in and out. I worry about the current infrastructure in the area. um will like the sewer the plumbing the electrical the roads the four-way stop will it be able to sustain a whole subdivision going in there all these extra houses i'm not opposed to development of single-family homes but i would like to ask that you oppose the duplex overlay i feel like that would be an excessive amount of extra traffic and extra people packed into a small space and if it becomes a whole like a rental situation it could become run down in just a few years and it would affect home values and you get a lot of transitory people in those situations where you have people moving in and out all the time where they don't stay long term because it's it just you get developed or you get people that just snatch them all up for um rental properties and then people aren't able to use them as a first-time home and that it does become a big concern for the long-time residents because they just see their home values go down they see a lot of extra traffic and you feel like maybe it's not as safe a neighborhood as it used to be you know i feel pretty safe walking up and down my street at night i can go for a walk and not be scared of what's happening if i had a really you know sketchy population of people always coming in and out all the time it would make it feel a lot more unsafe we have a lot of kids that pass by in front of the house when school is in session a lot of traffic there's been a few accidents i'm not really sure that four-way stop would be sufficient if you put a housing development in there there'll probably be a lot more accidents we do get accidents and that church house has been hit couple of times by people running that four-way stop it does happen and I just worry that the increase in traffic would also mean increase in people parking on the street and more accidents so just they need to do that traffic study to make sure that they're doing things safely and in a in a good way Thank You Barbara sir anyone else who would like to give public comment

Step right up.

Hi, I'm Ryan Sisney. I was received notification that I would be impacted by the zoning change. So I have a couple. I'm going to try and be quick because I wanted to give you the Council time to respond to this. The last meeting I went to was with the Planning Commission, I believe. There, the community feedback was, as far as I'm aware, universally opposed to the rezone, but the commission voted to recommend the rezone anyways. So my first question for the council would be, why might the council vote to rezone in spite of opposition from the voters in the community who are directly impacted? So I'd be curious to know why you might still do that. The rest of my questions only apply if the city council goes against the will of the people. The next question is, if it is rezone and the developer changes plans undesirably, can the city rezone back to see single family residents without legal or financial risk? The 2nd question would be what can city? What can the city enforce if ownership changes? Because I know as soon as it's rezone, the value goes up. And then the final question would be, are impact fees actually covering our infrastructure costs for water, sewer, fire code upgrades for this density? And are you taking into account the fact that when it gets rezoned, it also means that there's more of a fire risk because the houses are too close together, the fire trucks can't get in there. So will there be something built into the requirements that the homes themselves have to protect the people who live in them? So those are my main concerns I did find it interesting that one of the arguments built into the city code is that everybody's doing it right I'm not sure why that justifies continuing to do it I have been with the youth for a number of years worked with them and we don't encourage them to act on that advice so just the fact that a certain area has been rezoned doesn't mean that it's a good idea to continue that same process so I can stand here and wait and give you a chance to comment, or I can sit down however you wanted to handle it, but I did want to give you a chance to.

So we'll have everyone come up who wants to get public comment, and if council wishes to address the questions that you asked, they'll have a chance to do so.

That works for me. Thank you. And we usually do that after it's closed. So we let everyone talk, we close the public comment, and then we do our thing.

Yeah, I'm unfamiliar, so I just figured those are my questions.

Thank you. We appreciate that. Is there anyone else who would like to give public comment?

Welcome.

Diane Bjornson again. We live two houses west of this property that is going to be developed. And I want to make sure that you realize that there is a canal that goes along that south side. of the property. It's an active canal. We use it all the time. But also, I wanted to bring up that when they put in duplexes or townhouses, usually they say that it's going to be owner occupied. But on the little area where we go to turn down our water when we Turn down our water. There's 10 units there and they were supposed to be owner occupied, but they are all owned by one person in California. So this is another absentee landlord. On streets near us, Lana and Carmel are pretty close. When those were built, they were supposed to be townhouses, owner-occupied. But I would say that 90% 90% of those are now just rentals. And so we've got a lot of turnover on those streets too. That's what I worry about with the duplexes being built there. And so I would prefer single family homes. It's an area that a lot of people use um and we've loved living there we've lived there for like 42 years or more and and so i would really like to see it stay as single family homes if possible thank you thank you for your comments is there anyone else who would like to give public comment at this time

step right up. I was wondering when you were going to come back up to talk to us.

After everybody talked.

That's when I decided to come up.

Lorraine Butler. I live at the other end of 75, so I'm not by that property. But I've gone up that property all the time. And all of these wonderful people, I'm so excited. Aren't you excited to see this many people come? It makes you really, really tired because we all talk about that. That was the neat thing about the planning commission. I mean, when I saw the planning meeting, it was amazing. And I... I watched it, and it was wonderful. And they all talk about a traffic study. And for all these wonderful people, I've been here long enough to know that Matt Dahl was just a little kid when he first started. And I've been here long enough to know that when Mr. Rockwood was put in, I listened to what he wanted to do with Midvale. And I know where I live. I don't have the option. I don't have an option with a rezone because I'm in what they call a TOD zone. And the government says, I can't have anything. I can't do anything. I can't. I don't have that privilege of having a rezone maybe go my way. And Mr. Reynolds does great, great things. I've seen it. But they use wonderful marketing words like meadows, cottages, villages. They sound so calm. And I get to be part of the cottages at Union Meadows, which is 117 three stories on a street that's going to come down my street. And I didn't have a choice. And they could have gone more if they wanted to, they told me. I didn't have a choice. I would like all of them to know that a traffic study will never, ever, ever go in their way. It doesn't matter what they do because it will never, ever go in their way. So you can ask for a traffic study, but you'll never get it in your favor. And I know because we asked for more than one where I live. I love the concept. I wish sometimes it would be like West Haven or West Point where they've gone and the developer has done tiny homes. Something under $400,000. All of them around here are $400,000. I live in a house that cost me I don't know what and it's like $450,000 to go for now. And I'm going, my house isn't worth that much, but the market says it is. I like where I am. And like I said, I've been here long enough to annoy everybody on this council. And I appreciate the fact that they would even listen to me, even respond to me. And I hope Mr. Reynolds understands And that the residents understand that it's going to get worse, especially with the rec center thanks guys.

Okay, thank you lorraine appreciate your comments. Is there anyone else who would like to get public comment at this time.

Welcome. Good evening. My name is Christian Cisney and I live at 603 East Greenwood, also across the street from this church building. And I'd actually like to thank Brad and the group here for the opportunity to speak today because when we got this notice, I took the opportunity to walk around my neighborhood the night before the planning commission meeting and hand out a couple of flyers and speak to a couple dozen of the residents that live in this area about this development and what this rezoning would mean. and saw a lot of familiar faces. I also appreciate you guys if you took the opportunity to listen to or watch the Planning Commission meeting because there were many people there who felt strongly about not rezoning this area who are not here tonight. And one thing that I heard resoundingly while I was walking around talking to people is that they felt like there would be almost no hope to not seeing this area be rezoned. And while many of them came To the planning Commission meeting to voice their concerns, as you can see, a lot of them are not here now. The unfortunate truth is, this is one of the last couple of streets in midvale this still retains the feel of single family living and. What unfortunately have to be considered starter homes in salt lake county in utah and most of them are in the 400 to $500,000 range. And that's about as good as it gets. And it's not too far off from the number we're throwing around for these town homes to begin with. And the truth is you go walk down these streets and take a look at them. Greenwood Avenue is already a wider than normal street with full car side street parking there. The entire area is zoned off so you can fit an entire car off the side of these houses. And people still treat Greenwood Avenue like a speedway. I had the unfortunate, you know, I unfortunately had to park on the street for a couple of nights just this last week and had my mirror taken off by someone who sped by at past midnight going well over 50 miles an hour on this 30 mile an hour street. And it is patrolled by police cars because they do their paperwork in that church parking lot. And I've gotten a three mile an hour over ticket on that street. So, Exactly. Say what you will, putting another 200, 300 people into this neighborhood is not going to do anything good for the community in this area, and it will significantly impact the feel and the vibe of this neighborhood full of people who know each other, who know who their neighbors are, and speak to them regularly. and it's just gonna unfortunately reshape the entire feeling in this neighborhood and i respect and understand the need for more housing in utah as one of those young working professionals that severely struggled to find housing that he could afford i don't think this is the answer and i certainly don't believe it's the neighborhood there are other places to do this and i urge you to vote no for the rezoning effort thank you okay thank you christian is there anyone else who would like to give public comment at this time

Council, my name is Josh Gibbons. I'm with Hales Engineering. I just wanted to get up and share brief findings that we did in a traffic memo for the project. So what we did in this memo was just look at how much traffic we expect would be added to the roads based on the townhomes that are proposed. Based on the proposed townhomes, we'd expect... just around 220 trips to be added to the road. A trip would be a car entering or exiting the property during the day on a daily basis. On a peak hour basis, it's around 18 or so trips we'd expect on the site. Once again, that's total cars in and out of the site. So based on what's out there today, we'd expect that to be about a three or 4% increase of traffic on the roads nearby. It's kind of hard to picture that, I think, when we talk big numbers of peak hour trips, but that would be about one car added to the road every three minutes. 18 trips an hour, that's about one every three minutes, a car entering or exiting the site. Overall, the way that the traffic data works for townhomes versus single family detached housing, townhomes is less traffic added per home based on the data collected nationally and dozens and dozens of studies that have been done. So if we were to look at this site compared to say a single family project with say 19 single family homes, the trip count would actually be pretty similar. It's around that 20 trips in a peak hour based on how the data works out. There have been comments tonight about potential existing issues, high school nearby, schools nearby, always stops, generally can back up in those situations. So recognize there's existing issues, but overall it's a minimal amount of traffic being added to the road and we would not expect it to be a, it'd be a minimal impact on the roads essentially. And that's kind of all I wanted to share, just a quick summary. Happy to answer any questions later.

Okay, thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to give public comment?

Thank you. I'll be very brief.

I just want to make sure no other public. That way you can respond. Let's just make sure no one else.

If that's okay. Is there anyone else not named Brad Reynolds?

Yeah.

Who would like to get public comment? It will be part of the minutes that we will have on our website within a few days after, sorry, after they're approved. Yeah. So we'll, we'll meet in two weeks. We'll approve these minutes and then they'll be up.

The questions from the audience that's not on the mic is, will these comments be available? Sorry, she wasn't up. So I just want to make sure that's approved.

Anyone else like to give public comment? Going once.

say that it needs to be in the microphone yeah and state your name for the record again brian cisney for the record um yeah i was just wondering uh as far as public comment is concerned again because i'm new so we had someone come up that did a study um are they part of the public then is that the way that works even though they're private privately commissioned is that

That's a good question. As long as I've been here, I don't remember someone coming up during public comment to give the traffic study, but that will, we will make sure that that gets into the record as well.

And then my next question for that individual is who commissioned that, who paid for it? Just wondering how that works as far as the findings that are there, because it seemed pretty pro development. And I'm not sure if there's a reason behind that or if it was just a study that was done for the best interest of the community, so.

I think we'll ask Brad Reynolds that question in a little bit.

Okay, yes.

So typically, we're allowing more things that we typically don't. Most people get one bite at the three-minute apple. We understand there's a lot of feelings in the community about this. So Savannah, if you want to come back, quick question. I should have the microphone, though. Yeah, come up to the microphone.

This is just the same. The question is also towards the study. With it being a national study, I just want to know about the car thing, being that if you include New York City, where they don't own cars, I just want to know, are we having a study that actually reflects Utah? That was my only question.

We will ask that question. OK. Is there anyone else who would like to give public comment at this time? Sorry. Can you come up? Sorry. I thought I gave you a thumbs up to your question. And state your name for the record again.

I submitted some other ideas written, but I didn't bring a copy of them tonight. So I don't know. in the thing.

We can have our planning staff. I'm looking at Elizabeth now, our planner. This is Elizabeth, two Elizabeths here. So my guess is, and we'll confirm, I'm sure we got those comments that you submitted. So we'll hopefully have someone answer those questions that you have. Okay yeah it wasn't so much questions it was statements and typically those public comments that go via email, they do get put into the public record as well, and we will make sure that they do. Now. Is there anyone else who would like to get public comment.

hey thanks for letting me make sure that played out seeing none.

brad would you like to. Come back up. I think we have a couple of questions. We'd love to. Sure. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to jump the gun there a little bit.

No, I, I just, uh, I certainly sympathize with the neighbors and their concerns. And I know it's challenging when a church has been there for, uh, a large number of years to see change. The neighborhood is changing. And that's the reason why the church is selling the church is because of, uh, Some of the demographics are changing a little bit, but our plan meets with the general plan that the city has adopted. Everything that we're doing with the diversity of the plan does meet that master plan. But I was going to say too, there was some comments on duplexes and getting run down. And there's a reason if you look at even the earlier projects that I brought up, and have you look from 22 years ago to even 14 years ago, look at all those seven or eight or 10 years ago and look at how well they're maintained with the HOA and see how many rental signs you see. They're all owner occupied. And with the price point we'd have to be on this particular project, it would not make sense for somebody to come in with a quality project like we're talking about with Ramblers and three-bedroom townhomes. They could not rent them and make the kind of return that they would be seeking. It wouldn't make financial sense. And so, and if you look at any of our projects, you don't see a large number of rentals. It just doesn't happen. So I just wanted to clarify on that. And the other point, just briefly, if you had to turn this into housing, just individual homes, 7,000 square foot lots, the units would be unaffordable on housing. Housing, you'd get roughly 19 homes in this area, 19 to 20 homes. And the traffic is, would be virtually the same. And so it, to me, doesn't make sense. Why not provide some housing that can accommodate more people's needs? And that's why we're proposing this project. We wouldn't be doing a project that didn't make sense to sell. And that's why we've been doing them is they've been very successful and very popular. There's a real demand for that kind of housing, our opinion. So any other questions I can answer?

Before we do that, let's, so this was for public comment. We'll add that as a public comment as well. But if there's no other community member who wishes to give public comment, I'll look for a motion from the council to close public comment.

PB, Harmon Zuckerman, Aaron move that we close public comment second.

PB, Harmon Zuckerman, Okay, we have a motion a second all those in favor of closing public comments say aye. Yes. PB, Harmon Zuckerman, Any opposed. Okay, we're out of public comment. Thank you everyone for giving those comments. We appreciate the respect and just the class that you delivered those comments. We understand, again, high emotions regarding this project. So now we'll turn to council and see if there are any questions from council for the developer or for staff.

I have some questions for Brad, and I have some general thoughts. So I'll ask my questions, let them, and then give some thoughts. Have you ever, and this will answer some of the questions related to like, and I always worry about this too. Hey, let's say we approve a rezone, turn around and sell it. I don't think you'd do that. You haven't done that previously, but it's a very legitimate concern for me. And all of a sudden they want more, because I think this is not the full amount that you could put with the rezone, right? That's a worry. Or you turn them into rentals, right? The person that buys it from you puts a bunch of duplexes in its rentals, et cetera. Have you done a development agreement with us?

We might have done one on the Woodward Farms. I'm not totally sure. But we do them in a lot of cities. And we'd be happy to do that.

And so for the audience, the way a development agreement works is we would essentially lock them into a concept. So they couldn't do that. And it would go with the title. So they couldn't sell it. and lose it, right? Now, I don't know how this is going to shake out, but I think that at least answers those questions related to how it's used. Public comment is closed at the moment. I apologize. Second, I know this is just concepts. I do like the suggestion related to the one story on touching properties, right? So I know, again, just a concept. Is that something you'd consider if we did a development meeting? So that would be the south, which you already have the Rambler, and then the west.

You know, the gentleman that brought that up came up to me just prior to the meeting. And I said we would consider it. And I would come right here at council and say we would. Anything adjoining the residential home to the south or to the west, we would make sure it was the Rambler. We would go ahead and commit to that for a development agreement or whatever.

And that would be in writing in a development agreement. Right. So he, you know. Sure. We'd do that. You bet. Okay. Those are my questions.

Okay. I actually did have some questions. Okay. So you did say this would be HOA maintained, correct?

It would be.

Okay. And along with that, for those that don't know, HOAs do have pretty strict regulations on the amount of rent of properties that they can maintain within that site in order to qualify for financing. So it is in the HOA's best interest to maintain that smaller rental pool. That being said, and this is more of just my statement, I am in a small HOA of single-family detached homes. And I can tell you that has not stopped us from having rental properties as well. So I don't like this narrative that because they're duplexes, they're going to be rentals. Unfortunately, it is the nature of the beast right now. And I think everybody's feeling it. Yes, I wish that all of my neighbors owned their homes and that we didn't have problems with renters. But in fact, we do. And me being in a single family, HOA has not stopped that. So just so everybody knows. And then I had a couple extra questions for you. Sorry, I'm going to kind of go all over the place. I know you have been working with the residents regarding this irrigation ditch, right?

We've talked to a few of them and we are planning. It goes, our understanding, and we've actually even talked to the ditch company. I think it's the East Jordan Ditch Company that controls that. And it goes all along the south property line. But when it gets to the very west, it deviates just a little bit. so we've talked to him and i think we've mentioned to a few neighbors we would make sure that gets maintained even if we have to divert the piping just on that little western portion so it goes back to the original place and i think where it's at it might not even affect the project because it just barely comes in on the corner so that's a non-issue for us okay we'll make we'll make sure that stays in place or is the least usable

Perfect. And then as far as, and I'm sorry, I haven't worked with you on some of these bigger developments. Do you normally build in phases or do you build all at once?

We typically build all at once.

Okay.

Yeah. So typically we've been very fortunate in that as we start construction, there has been high enough demand, even in some of these less desirable time, so to speak, that we'll typically just continue to build and the homes will sell right while we're building them. So we anticipate in a community like this, that we'll have that same success that will build the whole community out and it will sell out very quickly.

Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. I do have one more question. Go for it. Sorry. Nope. When you were going over the map, you said that there were some that maybe did not have full driveways.

On the map there, there was a couple that it did not show full driveways, but even at that, and I misspoke, I do want to clarify one thing. I was saying on the parking, it's actually the requirement of those units you saw was 68 and we have 108 parking stalls. So we are the 40 stalls more than what was required But there was some that did not have it. But as we change, I think the density we have there is probably a little high. I don't think we'll get that as they start to go through green space and do all of that. We'll still maintain more parking than what's required for sure by quite a bit. And we're trying to get each townhome unit to have a full-fledged driveway. But the site plan did not show that on a few units.

So that would be two-car garage and then the driveway?

Every unit has a two-car garage. And we're hoping, and most of them showed a full driveway, but there were some that did not.

Would that be something you could put in a development agreement?

It depends on what that does. If we're already 40 stalls higher, I would have to see what, yeah, how many units we'd lose. And then if we're coming back and putting ramblers on the west side as well and the south, they're a bigger footprint because they're like 1,350 square feet. So I think we'd have to look at that and just make sure it works, which we want to try because it enhances the units. So we would want a full driveway if we can.

councilmember billy yeah i just have a couple questions and this is just maybe two to us i was just wondering in a single family zone is the height different than what it would be in a duplex isn't it two and a half so if it's two story so even single family could be two stories so the height's not

The height, if we were coming in and following the current zoning at 7,000 square foot height, 7,000 square foot lots, the height would be the same, two story.

And I think we even, the code reads just height and whether they make it two stories or not. Correct, correct. But it's the same in the two. We went back and forth on that, I think six or seven years ago. We used to say story or story and a half or two, but it would still be tall enough for two. So it would be the same height.

Thank you. And then just, and you may not have the data on this or off the top of your head, but I was just wondering if some of your other projects, if you have any data of what still remains owner occupied.

To be honest, I do not, but I, I'm kind of impressed. A lot of those pictures were just taken in the last week, 10 days. And as you drive through the project, I didn't see one for rent sign on those few projects that even the older one. So I thought that was a very good sign.

Within these newer ones in Midvale, do you know how long? And again, to Bonnie's point, you might not know this off the top of your head. Do you know what the longest one that sat on the market without selling sat?

On which ones again?

On the market. Just the one that's just on 80th that would be similar to this subject, just more units.

On the between 78th and 80th that we did 14 years ago?

Yeah. Sorry. No. I'm just trying to- I'm sorry. That's okay.

What was the question again? I'm sorry.

The average timeline that these similar units would sit on the open market, on the MLS.

You know, and that's a good question. I don't know if I have a great answer. Typically, I can just go off. We're doing similar units in various cities right now. We got some in Sandy. We've got some in Murray. We've got, we just finished a big one off Allendale with the, and typically they sell before they are completed. So I think if you look at the MLS, you would see nothing that I'm aware of over 45 days.

Brad, I'll ask a question that I believe Ryan asked about the traffic study. That's something you guys commissioned.

We commissioned the traffic study, but they are a professional engineering company that do traffic studies as well as other engineering. And they have to comply with the national as well as the local data. And so they're not just going to New York and looking at statistics from there. They're looking here at the local data. And I'm sure if there's questions, they could probably clarify more so than I could on how they did get their data. If you'd like, we're happy to have them come up.

I will say I am on two sides of that. I am always kind of skeptical on the... Harmon Zuckerman, Townhomes or duplexes have less. But I think one thing that is missing is we can't look at it as an empty lot traffic versus Harmon Zuckerman, These townhomes. It's more like if there was 20 homes or a few of them, which is happening in my neighborhood. I live down in the presidential area. They all put it. They're putting an 80 us or 80 us, you know, accessory dwelling units. That causes parking issues. So they're almost like duplexes, whether they're zoned forward or not. So, you know, there's very likely 19 homes turns into 25 or 26 or up to 40. So it's the way to look at traffic is what is the difference between, you know, the best case scenario, 19 homes versus 26 or 27 townhomes. And then that point, even if I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion that it's similar, it's, The amount of the difference is probably smaller than people think now an empty lot obviously has the best traffic. But that's that's different.

It's true. It's true. And we were looking at a project up by old mill with a different traffic engineer and they were comparing an area their individual homes as compared to Townhomes and it's a different engineer. I think it's all side and he was stating the same fact as what hell's engineering was saying is that if you compare and they even had more individual homes compared to townhomes because of the age of the different people living in the townhomes that the homes generated just as much traffic if not more than the townhomes. So it was interesting. I didn't used to believe that but I've got that data as well. I can provide

One thing I wanted to point out, and I know it's very recent federal legislation, the Road to Housing Act. One of the things we often don't think that our Congress are working in a bipartisan manner, but here's a bipartisan piece of legislation that came out of the United States Congress that effectively limits the number of properties that large investment companies And I believe that number is if there's a large investment company that owns more than 350 properties. I don't, I looked that up. I didn't have that off the top of my head. They're barred from purchasing any additional once they hit that number. So that seems like a lot. 350 properties is a lot to own. But I just wanted to relay some concerns that folks had. There was three people who mentioned that as a problem. That's not something that we can control on our own, but it is something that the federal government has put new guidelines in place to prevent that from happening. And from what I understand, planning staff, not to put everyone on the spot, I believe the focus was on single-family homes, but I do believe that townhomes and duplexes are part of that new federal legislation. So hopefully that will limit the ability for those large investment groups to come in and purchase all 34 of these homes.

Well, and if you look over the last 40 plus years, anything that we have gone through zoning or have gotten approved, we have never sold one property to any kind of an investor or anybody like that. There might be a property that if it's you know like riverwalk apartments that we just keep but if we're doing any kind of a townhome residential project uh we've kept every one of them and just like this this is a sellable a home owner occupied community that we're planning on okay any other questions or comments from some council if there's no more questions i do have some thoughts i'd like to hear

so um you know so typically i don't go into how the sausage is made and how i vote or whatever right i'm elected i feel like people trust that if they don't they call me i talk about it um however this project has made me a little frustrated with some narratives online related to um and it's no one in this room but there was this whole concept that somehow i'm financially benefiting from this Okay, and for me, I kind of laugh at it. The only other time that's been alluded was a mural that someone didn't like, and they kept telling us to follow the money, that we were somehow profiting off of the mural on a private business. But I will say, I can take it, but I find it very offensive to say that towards my fellow council members. We have passed a legislation that really limits how much someone can donate to our campaign. we disclose it and frankly the state has really hemmed us in on how we can even use money for donations so if brad donated a million dollars to my campaign i could buy a million dollars worth of campaign stickers which if i did that would be so cool because i would just or a million dollars with t-shirts all which all would have been up at the di um you know and i'm gonna make a really obscure reference because right now it's the world cup just ended right like the state couldn't I couldn't accept a private jet to Qatar to watch a World Cup final, right? If anyone gets that reference from four years ago, we can be like really good friends. I don't know how many people get that. So, you know, so now I feel like I have to explain a little bit my thought process more than I want to, but I would caution sort of, you know, the online narrative can get pretty rude. And, you know, I think we... we don't make a lot of money being up here. We're trying to help the community. You might agree with my decisions. You might not. And that's OK. Everyone has their opinions. But it is not based on some financial benefit. I think that's a pretty immature way to go. And I'll probably talk to that individual that started that because he lives in my neighborhood. It's not appropriate to do. Or come here and say it to us and talk to us. So that note, when I get something like this, a rezone in a neighborhood, I have a bunch of barriers to entry and I look at range of outcomes. My number one is, is it a rental or for sale? If it's a rental, I'm a no, right? If it's a for sale with developers that I think have done poor jobs in Midvale or I'm unfamiliar with, I'm also more cautious. And for example, we have some townhome projects over on the river that I swear started during the Reagan administration that they haven't finished building. And Brad Reynolds projects do get built, right? And on top of that, he mentioned that three-story townhomes over on Millennial Way area. There is a neighboring townhome project, I think, sort of next to him. So yours are for sale, correct? Ours are for sale. The one next to it is for lease. And that was within the zone. We didn't have anything. And it's not even in my neighborhood. I get complaints about that. So two people building, complaints about how they manage their dust and everything. So in my opinion, if I have for sale, quality product that I'm at least not a full no, right? But then I look at the range of outcomes and I live in a neighborhood where most of our homes are 1800 square feet. Someone just remodeled their home. It's 3000, but it's on the minimum lot size and it's sold for like $710,000, right? Which I can't afford. If a new construction was going to come in, those 19 homes would be million-dollar homes. And so for me, I don't know if that's a range of outcome that I want. Because the other outcome is sort of the Midvale Mills project, which I don't like. It's detached single-family homes that are HOA'd. And if you look at the parking, everyone is parked on the sidewalks. It's not a project I want, but that's a detached, everyone thought that was a win. And I think these town homes would have been probably less, there would be probably less property there if he would have done that there with less parking issues. So the range of outcome is we can't control purchase or for sale or rent, right? So another developer could just as easily put in 19 or 20 homes and put them all for rent, right? There's also another developer that can come in and put 19 homes that are substandard. There are also, and I think what people are sort of missing is, and I hate this, I hate to say this, but it's the reality is our state legislators are full of developers and they would like to take away our zoning ability. They've threatened it time and time again, right? And for me, something like this, where I feel like a medium density, he could have easily come in and asked for those townhomes that looked kitty corner. I'm not saying we would have passed that or not. Right. But the state legislator would instantly say, hey, this seems to make sense there. You are the middle city in a middle of the fastest growing county in the United States, practically. And so those are all things I factor in. I also factor in community input. I love when people come in, whether I agree or not. You guys did a phenomenal job. Like I said, the only time I get uppity is if I think people are being disrespectful, especially to my fellow council members. So I just want to, hopefully everyone realizes, and I would vouch that all of us have our own matrix where we come to decisions, right, that are similar. And none of it's based on us somehow getting mythical money from brand or other developers. So that's all I wanted to say, because normally I wouldn't. I do talk a lot.

If any of you watch Council, I probably said 40 times how much I hate the tracks.

Brett KenCairn, Things so that Matt just looked at me like oh no brands and going again, so I do talk a lot, but I don't necessarily go into that detail of how the sausage is made, I just think you know there's a lot to consider yeah.

Brett KenCairn, Thank you, Council.

Brett KenCairn, And just just just for the record, I have not made any contribution to anybody on city council or the mayor in midville city. For the record. I'm just kidding. I know.

I did want to, because I know we have two council members joining virtually. Sometimes I know it's hard to interject into the conversation when you're not here in the room. Just wanted to give council member Michelosh or council member Glover an opportunity to ask any questions, give any comments that you might have.

Okay. Is that, you can hear me? We can hear you. Okay, well, I appreciate all of the comments that have been given. And I appreciate the opportunity to be able to consider what we need to do. I do know that every time we have a zoning change, I'm always afraid that we change the zone and then somebody comes in and buys it or changes what we originally wanted. I do like the idea of a development agreement that we get what is proposed and not something else. So that would be one consideration that I would like. Thank you.

Thank you, Council Member.

Yeah, I was also just had a few thoughts. Same. This is a tough one, right? Like I, it would be ideal to keep it as a single family home and the neighborhood like that. But I also know that diversity helps with affordability. And I agree with Councilman Brown. I'm a longtime fan. 10 plus year townhome owner. I'm not a renter. I'm not an investor. I'm invested in Midvale. There's a reason I'm on city council. And that's whether I live in a house or a townhome or a duplex or even an apartment, right, that some of us live in. So I really think it's about the quality and the commitment of the developer, which I agree a development agreement help. But I think the fear of too many cars renting it out, what could happen is very dependent on the community. and what we bring in at the beginning. And I think that what, that could go either way. I have family members who rent homes and they're single family homes, right? So it can go either way, whether it is a duplex or a home. So this was a hard decision, but I appreciate all the comments from the community. I appreciate comments from the developers and the council, just to make sure that we have thought through everything before we make any decisions. So I appreciate the time.

Okay, thank you, council members, McElhosh and Glover. Brad, you're welcome to have a seat. I know you've been standing for quite some time.

And like, I just want to reiterate, we're happy to do a development agreement. And if there's a sticky point one place or another, I'm happy to put it in that development agreement just so you know you're going to get what we've tried to sell tonight. So thank you. Okay.

All right, so looking to counsel, there is a recommended motion on the board that is subject to any amendments or different motions that you wish to offer at this time. If there's no more discussion, I think it's time to move towards a motion, whatever way that goes.

I do have one comment I would like to make, and it is regarding the traffic, because that four-way stop, I live right there. So I get it. That is troublesome. I would ask that maybe we look for some other options that could maybe help some traffic calming devices. where that is so tight to the homes, we're going to have to be really careful about any intrusion for the neighbors right there. But I don't know if we want to look at hanging, blinking, stopping lights or something. That intersection, and not just at school either. Like I said, I live right there. I hear the speed. My car, I got passed the other day on the other side of the road. It happens. We need to do something there. So we are aware of that. And I would task us as a city to start

That sounds like we should consider that regardless.

Yeah, I think this is just a problem that has been brought to highlight. So we need to pay attention to that. This one is a really hard one for me because It's got pluses and minuses, right? Like I am for diversity in housing and I was in the mortgage industry for way too long. I don't want to admit it. So I know that there is a desire for multiple different types of housing. But for me, it's trying to balance out that need to offer the diversity in housing with the neighborhoods that are already there. I think we all moved or lived in Midvale because it offered a certain charm and historic nature. And I, for one, I'm drawn to that. I love that about us. And I like the fact, I know this is really weird, but we also have some wildlife in that area that is really appealing as well. I have owls sometimes in my backyard. So I think for me, this is a really hard one because trying to balance out how we maintain wildlife what we have with where we should go is tricky and it's a very fine line and we're trying to walk it the right way so i don't want anyone to think that this is just like we're like stamp approval all the houses we can get that's really not what this council is doing this we are really trying to take the time to make the best decisions possible for the city that we love um so i just i just wanted to say that i think i think me and glover both are and i don't know if others are

we would like a development agreement yeah i i i can openly say that i actually like the project and i would definitely be in favor of it but i don't want it to be something that's not here and i also would like the west side to be single story So I know people here might not like that a ton, but I think they should at least find some solace if we can get a development agreement first. So there's not a rental nightmare or something along those lines where they pack it in and make it not. I don't foresee that just because of how much he's done in Midvale, but.

think that's the the way to go so do we take well i i don't know that's two of us yeah i think the three options we have are to approve the rezone deny the rezone or table this discussion pending a development a development agreement with some notes with the yeah and if you're going to make that motion i know staff in the past has um asked very nicely that we included those things that we would like to see within the development agreement so that it's not a huge question mark um having to come back to Council multiple times so um if that's the motion you wish to make or one of the council members wishes to make please include the specific things that you would like to see in a development agreement I know what I would like to see so I don't know about the other Council so if anyone has any additional thoughts Why don't we have that discussion now just to see what everyone would like to see in the development agreement. And then I know Matt takes furious notes over here, so we'll get all of that encapsulated. So Councilmember Brown, what would you like to see in a development business?

I would like to ensure that it's no more than what's here, that the south and west side units are single story. Um, I would like, can, am I allowed to say for sale? Garrett.

My preference would be no, just simply because the fair housing act.

So I, I totally get that, but I think Brad's going to do that. So I think I want to do that anyways, but maybe I won't. Sure.

maybe you can we can strongly recommend the preference rather than requiring for sale are you okay if maybe instead of saying for sale that it requires that each of those units is individually subdivided so that it can be available as a for sale product yeah i can do that how about does anyone else have any comments

Heidi, do you want to include anything about the four-way stop that you mentioned? Is there any...

I don't think that's really his responsibility. That's more of a city responsibility, right? For me, if we were to do a development agreement, I would... And I saw your letter in there, so I saw that you put that you were going to do the necessary greenscape and all that. I would like a consideration for something that the neighborhood could use. I know that you're limited on space there, but anything that you do, I would hope would be like a community amenity, not just a project amenity, if that makes sense. But I think...

the sidewalks it would already have sidewalks right there anyway so yeah no i'm okay so what i have now um the concept because this was not a development agreement it was a concept there were 34 units on that um the what we saw so is that what you're you're wanting to cap it at no more than 34 units yeah i think i think there's a good chance it might not even end up at that

But I don't want the opposite to happen where they find, you know, they actually go to planning. Oh, we can add 36, right?

Did Paul have something he wanted to add?

You wanted to add units? Paul, you wanted to add units?

No, I don't want to add units.

I just, I lost you for a couple minutes there, but I got you back. So I didn't hear everything you said, but I believe what you said before. So I think we're good.

Okay. Okay. Councilman Glover and Councilmember McElhosh, is there anything else? Well, Paul, you may not have heard then. We're just going down a list of things that we would like to see in the development agreement. Right. And I lost that list.

Okay.

I was gone for a minute. So far, it is to cap it at 34 units, no more than 34 units. That is also the south and west will be reduced to single-story Rambler. And Councilmember Brown's preference for that to be for sale or for sale. Individually owned lots.

Individually subdivided.

Individually subdivided lots. Got it. Sounds good. That sounds good. Okay. Councilmember Michelosh, anything else to add to the list?

I think the only other thing is I know that some of them had full driveways and some had partial. I think as many as possible that have full driveways, it helps with the parking issue. Similar to a single family home, right? You would hope that they would all park on their driveways. We know that everyone parks, you know, roads, other places, but I think having the option of full driveways wherever possible is really helpful in addition to the garages.

I'm going to look to work with the staff to, to identify ways to make full driveways because Brad had a, one of your pictures had sort of this like shared driveway situation or something like that, which that could play into it to help with the driveways or something like that.

Okay. So we have four items on the list, looking at council, anything else? Okay, who wants to attempt to make this motion, which will be a motion to table to the next meeting?

Or do I give a date certain?

Since there's a lot of the air, we can just table it until there's a development agreement that both the applicant and the city staff bills meets the needs of the city council. Is that okay?

do you need us to specifically state these four items in the motion or this is just about i don't have to say these these things oh i was taking furious notes um i can still make the motion if you want mayor i move that we table or uh the approval of ordinance number 2026-0-25 authorizing a zone map amendment located at 620 east greenwood avenue and 7500 south 700 east to add the duplex overlay to the existing single family resident one zone as providing the attachments until the city staff and developer can come to terms on a development agreement under the terms that the city council came to today.

Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second to table this rezone with direction to the staff to work with the developer on a development agreement that includes the four items that were mentioned here today. Rory, will you call the yeas and nays on this?

Yes. Councilmember Glover?

Aye.

Brown?

Yes.

McAlesh? Yes. Billings? Yes. And Robinson? No.

Okay, that motion to table passes four to one. So we hate to bring everyone back, but we hope that we will have a finished product, hopefully putting those guidelines in place or those guardrails in place for a product that everyone can be happy with. So we appreciate the time and effort and energy for everyone who was here today. Thank you. Um, with that, uh, we will move on to the consent agenda. We have two items to consider tonight. Consider the minutes of July 7th, 2026, and to consider resolution 2026 R 41. Authorizing the mayor to execute a purchase and installation agreement with mountain west precast for a six room restroom building. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda?

Mayor, I motion we approve the consent agenda.

Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. Rory, will you call the ayes and nays?

Yes. Council Member McElhosh? Yes. Billings? Yes. Glover?

Aye.

Robinson? Aye. And Brown? Yes.

Okay, consent agenda is passed unanimously. We will move on. We do have a closed session tonight to discuss, let's see how it's worded here, strategy session to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation. Is there...

hold on pause on that for just yes you may pause on that for a second we consult did i mess up on the motion yeah with a preposition for sure i did i hated that i did i could hear it i was like i don't know other words to say i'm just gonna end it

Okay.

Okay, so some consultation here. Sorry, we have a lot of moving parts here tonight. We have a closed session to discuss reasonably imminent litigation. I know that sounds weird, but it's just something that happens from time to time. So when there is a closed session, we do have to have the public leave. I know that's very awkward because we did... want to have some conversations with you. I was wondering if we could have some planning staff who doesn't necessarily need to be here for the litigation discussion. Maybe they could meet folks out in the lobby and have some discussions out there. Vendelin, do you mind? Adam, I know you'd love to stay for the closed session, but would you mind talking to some folks? Perfectly okay to stay if you want. You guys did great. You guys did great. But we have Elizabeth out there. We have Vento. Thank you, Elizabeth. We appreciate your time. Thank you. We appreciate you. Adam?

Do I need to make a small question? Yeah.

Yeah, we can go ahead and accept the motion for a closed session for reasonably imminent litigation.

I move that we move to close session for strategy sessions to discuss pending or reasonably intimate. Why can't I say that? Legislation.

Litigation.

Not legislation. Sorry, litigation. Oh, my God.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. Rory, will you call the ayes and nays?

Yes. Councilmember Brown.

Yes.

McElhosh. Yes. Billings. Yes. Lever.

Aye.

And Robinson. Aye.

Okay, that is unanimous. We are in a closed session.