Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

I would like to get our meeting started if we could all stand to pledge to the flag. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, next item is the roll call. [clears throat] We have Rich Nuttle here. Peter Tantala here. Amber present. Keithwald here. Joe Antelli here.

Ryan is no longer present. Penoni, traffic engineer, we had absent. Tom Piaantino. Jimnis. Dominic [clears throat] Jim Espazito. All right. Our next item is our reorganization of chair and vice chair and secretary. So I need a nomination for chair of the board if we have anybody wants to nominate. I'll nominate I would like to nominate Rich. Uh I need a second. Second. Have a second. All in favor? I.

All oppose. Okay. I don't have to move. Uh, next item is nomination for vice chair. Do we have any nominations for vice chair? I'll nominate Tom. I'll second. If elected, I won't serve. You don't want it? Well, I'm not going to be here for a few months, so I don't know how that works. It's up to you. I'll take it, but I'm not, like I said, I'm not going to be here for [clears throat] the next few months, Jim. He wants you to they want you to hit your mic when you're talking. Um, so ultimately that's fine as long as Rich is here at those meetings cuz right

the vice chair the main role would be if Rich is not here then you're going to run the meeting. Not here then I run the meeting, right? Yeah. So if if Rich will be here if not we can we can determine at that time uh who will then take charge of the meeting. Okay. Fine. There's been a motion and a second for Tom Pucantino for vice chair. All in favor? I. Any opposed? And we need a nomination for our secretary. Any nominations? I'll nominate Amber Watson Tarta for again for our secretary. Oh. Oh, you seconded it already. Boy, that was quick. All in favor? I

I oppose. All right, our board stands the same except for Ryan. We miss him dearly. So, our next item is the approval of our minutes from our December 3rd meeting. Did anyone from the board see anything in the meeting in the minutes that they might have a question on that we should review at this point? [clears throat] Seems that there's no question from the board on the minutes, I'll ask for a motion to approve the minutes from our last meeting. I'll make a motion and a second. Second. All in favor of approving the minutes? I I wasn't here.

Tom wasn't here, so he cannot vote on that. Okay. Item [clears throat] number four, application for subdivision and land development for S/LD number 259 for a subdivision and land development to propose to construct one new single family dwelling existing dwelling to remain on 830 Old Highway tax parcel 22-013-213 in the R2 residence zoning district. There were 60 addresses notified. Is anyone here to represent this applicant?

Chair, may I just cut in for a second? Sure thing. Um, that was a typo on the agenda. It's actually 2513, not 259. Just just Yeah. Okay. Um, second, do you want to make an announcement just in case there were about the I will. Thank you. I'm sorry. I forgot you did told me that two minutes ago. It's all good

and I forgot. Sir, before you start, I would just like to add that if anyone is here tonight for either the Take Five oil change uh applicant or the Taco Bell applicant or the uh Corman Properties applicant, all three of them cases, they were postponed tonight. So, they will not be heard or discussed this evening. If anyone is here from the public that uh is here for them, three particular cases. Okay. Seeing none, sir, you have the floor. All right, good evening. My name is Larry Burn. I'm the uh engineer that prepared the plan for the applicant. With me tonight is uh Kevin Todd. He's the owner and uh going to be the the builder. Just a brief overview. What they put up here is an aerial of the uh property in red. This is Old Lincoln Highway here, Brownsville Road, and this is uh Richardson [clears throat] Humeville Road. It's over in the uh Langghorn section of uh the township.

We have a little point over there. Oh, see goes right on the screen. Oh, nice. High-tech. I don't know how to use it though. Yeah, Mr. Burn. The problem is that we want you to use that because it will not show up on the TV screens because we're televised now. So, if you can use the other one that the one that we were handing Yeah, the one that you were handed, I guess. Yeah, but how does it work? There you go.

All right. Well, that's that's the uh the property and doesn't want to move. Okay. Well, anybody have any questions on the location of the property? As you can see, it's it uh

Yeah, it has there's an existing dwelling. If I can get this there. right there, existing dwelling that fronts on Old Lincoln Highway. That's the existing house and that's to remain. There's not going to be any changes at all to the uh existing house. It's already connected to public water and sewer and has access to Old Lincoln Highway. And what we're doing is going to subdivide the property in half and then build one new house in this area. Uh most of the property is uh it's all lawn basically lawn area. There is some trees along uh Richardson Avenue and the proposal would be to have that subdivided and build it one new house and then connected also to the public water and sewer provided by uh Bucks County Water and Sewer Authority. So um

the uh proposed house would take access off of uh Richardson. Correct. Can I ask you a quick question? Sure. I remember a case that came up to us years ago. Was did this used to have like a silo on the property, a b like a doomsday bunker? There was a property right on the same street that came up to us years ago, probably 15 years ago, and I'm wondering if it was the same property, but they had to remove the the doomsday bunker before we would do anything for that. Just I was just checking. It's literally either on one or the other side of you. I I know. Oh, there is one.

Oh, okay. I don't have a problem with you talking and explaining, but for the benefit of the people at home, we do need you to talk into a microphone. Yeah, we'll we'll get to you. We'll get to you. Thank you. Okay, go on. I'm sorry. No, it's just it will confuse the people at home because they won't be able to hear her properly. So, we just need to remember that moving forward since we are televised now.

Okay. So, uh yeah, no no doomsday bunkers. [laughter] All right. But, uh that's just I said I wanted to put up this aerial to show you the location and the property. It's as I said, it's existing house and basically a lawn area that we're going to subdivide in half. Now, can I switch to the site plan, please? [snorts]

Okay. Yeah. This is the uh the proposed subdivision. It's very uh simple and straightforward. It's uh I get this circle to work. I guess no. Well, as you can see, this this is the project. It's basically subdividing the property right in half. Uh if the the little circle thing would work now

pushing the little button there. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I guess well that's switching it. I don't want to go to that plan. I wanted to go back to the first one. That's the existing feature that Okay. just put up a plan if you want to. Okay. Can I use the laser or no?

Ju just for the presentation here. This is the proposed property line and then we're going to have the one proposed house here, existing house to remain here. Uh basically splitting the property right in half. Each lot's about 30,000 square feet. This one's a little smaller because it has some ultimate rightway that we're providing. So that's uh you know that's basically the subdivision of proposal. It's nothing real elaborate. It's minor subdivision complies with all the zoning criterias and so forth. Uh we did receive a couple letters. We have the township engineers letter. As far as I'm concerned, everything's a will comply. Real relatively minor comments. Uh the traffic engineer had had no comments at all. The fire marshall had no comments at all. Uh Bucks County Planning Commission just had a comment about u sewage facilities which we know we have to do. It's also in the township engineers letter. Um we did receive a environmental advisory council's uh letter this morning. um talked it over with my client and um but basically they're not willing to do any of the comments in the in the letter as far as providing solar panels and geothermal heating and stuff like that. So um that's and then to convert it to a the storm water management which is going here to a from a drywall to a rain garden. Uh that's uh we're not proposing to do that either. So uh you know with that we just respectfully answer any questions you have or if you um you know would just consider recommendation of a preliminary final

plan approval so we can move the project forward. Okay. Thank you. You have any comments? Sorry. I'm still learning with the TV thing. Dominic, any comments?

Uh, not too much to add. Um, as the uh, Mr. Baron stated, our our letter is rather minimal. Um, we do have a couple of our standard comments in there, um, which it's my understanding that they are will comply. Um, one of the comments regarding the landscaping, uh, it sounds like that they will in fact be able to salvage, uh, at least a few of those trees along the frontage of West Richardson Avenue. Um, and then the waiver they are requesting is for providing sidewalk. Uh, if the township is open for that consideration, that is something that we would uh, we would uh, be agreeable to with a fee and Lou. Um, other than that, uh, yeah, it's it's pretty straightforward on our

I would like to mention though there is existing curb along Richardson Avenue already. So, there's curb there and that old Lincoln Highway is uh obviously a state road. So, we're not proposing any improvements along the state road and the existing driveway is just going to remain for the existing house. Okay. Matthew, any traffic? Uh, no traffic issues. No traffic issues. Okay. Uh, any questions from our members of board? We'll start this year. We'll start with Amber first. Not pending public feedback. Okay. Joe, no, I don't have any.

Tom, any comments? You willing to do fee and Lua for the sidewalks? Yeah, I guess the fee in L would need to be uh determined and uh you know agreed upon by the township and uh you know the owner but you know the fee in lie of would be you know provided. Okay, that's all. Thank you Keith. Any questions? Not at the moment. Pete, uh one quick question. You're proposing no change to any part of the property that will front onto Old Lincoln Highway. Correct. It's just the subdivision and building new on Richardson. Correct.

I mean, it seems that the zoning all the zoning issues comply. Correct. The only waiver you're asking for is from the sidewalk. The use seems commensurate with um the surrounding uses, but pending any public comment. That's what I'm interested to hearing if there's any public comment. Um otherwise, it seems that it's not um not an issue for the township, but I I do would like to hear from the public.

Thank you. All right. And that's where we're at. Is there anybody here that would uh like to speak on behalf of this case? Um I'll have to go grab the list of people that signed up. [clears throat]

Thank you. Okay. Um Sher Cohen, she here. That's not for that case. Okay. Um that's to highlight. Ariel and Patricia, you guys would like to come up and speak on behalf of this or you signed up.

Come on up. [clears throat] Hello everyone. Uh we are Adela and Patricia Matoss. We're literally right next door. We're at 848 Old Lincoln Highway. Uh this is our first time sort of going through this process. So, you know, we are um just curious about the process, how it will impact impact our quality of life while all of while the traffic and the construction is happening. So, I have a few questions. I mean, I'm grateful for the clarity that the property is going to be built more on the Richardson side rather than the Old Lincoln side because one of the questions I had was in thinking about the construction traffic, where will the entryway be? Will that be from Old Lincoln or will it be from Richardson? It would be from, you know, Richardson. The not going to be any changes at all along Old Lincoln Highway. No traffic, no construction.

Okay. All right. Perfect. Just again recognizing that we are we are located on the same street as a local high school and we get a lot of traffic there on a daily basis as is because of the high school traffic. Uh so just being mindful of that. Um we're concerned about noise violations. You know, what time can construction start? When is it set to end per day? uh sort of like what is the time the length of timeline for this project and when is it is it slated to begin right we have two two little kids at home um eight and 10 years old uh so just being mindful right of their experience throughout this process as well you have any any comments

no more so more than anything is there more resources that we can um basically obtain with regard to noise ordinances and things of that nature so that Jim Jim can answer that for you.

Yeah. So, the the noise ordinance is available online under the Middletown Township Code of Ordinances. Uh the noise ordinance does dictate when construction can happen. Um it cannot happen anytime prior to 7 and it cannot uh continue to occur anytime after 5, especially for the outside work because that's the decibel level kind of really gets raised with the outside work. That may change when they get further into the inside work and and it will be less noisy when they're actually doing the interior. Okay. Thank you. I think that's pretty much it. Thank you. I I have a quick clarification. So, you're saying you mentioned that there's nothing going on out on Lincoln Highway, but you are cutting a driveway in. No. No. Is existing.

That is This driveway is existing right here. It says proposed driveway. That's Richardson. This is Old Lincoln. I got you. Never mind. Yeah, this is Richardson. Well, this is the way it's written, [laughter] so I had it upside down. My my fault. Okay. [clears throat] So, the existing house is on Richardson. No, on old Lincoln. On Lincoln. Gotcha. All right. Yeah. Now I'm turned around. Okay. [clears throat] Yeah. Actually, if you put it this way, the way it was, I think this is old Lincoln heading towards the high school. Gotcha. Okay. And then this is Richardson.

Mr. Burn, can you can you answer the questions or Mr. Todd even uh about the duration of the construction project? First, Could you come up to the mic, please? Yes, sir. Thank you.

Like I said, 3 to four months is what our projects typically take. The first two to three weeks is when you get all [clears throat] the noise and you know, and it's not it's not going to be traffic jam. We might have four or five work trucks out there. Uh the guys, trust me, don't want to work late. Uh we're not allowed to work on Sundays, occasional Saturday, but uh for the most part, we work with everybody. You'll have my cell phone. You'll be able to reach out. Hey, Kev, can you address this or you know, we're easy to get along with if that makes sense.

Thank you. Um, so I'm going to go down this list just to make sure and you can tell me if it pertains to this case or not. Uh, is it Joe Lemus or Lemming? Are you with this case, sir? Yeah. Okay, you're up. Come on up. Hi. Can you state your name and address, please? Sure. Uh, Joe Limming. Penmanship. Terrible.

That's okay. 241 Wheat Chief. So yeah, I'm not I'm not a neighbor. I am on the EAC. Um it's more of a a bigger question for and I spoke at the last meeting, rain garden versus dry well. And I realized that they're within their rights to do a dry well. Looking at the bigger picture, I think storm water management has gone through a lot of iterations. We used to have lowflow concrete channels. Um we've used to mow the basins. Now we've we've moved on. we've progressed. I just feel in 30 40 years dry wells are going to be a problem. They're not going to be maintained and they're just going to get clogged up over time. Um I I do I I'm not a landscape architect. I can speak from experience. I have my own rain garden um that handles run off from my roof and I did some calculations today and that and that will a mature rain garden is about 3 four years old. It handles about 4 inches of rain per hour. So that's a very um it's a high interval storm, at least a 50-year storm that it can handle. So um having the expense of a dry well versus a rain garden, I just feel and I know, you know, it's with it's within their rights. It's within code by right. They can do whatever they want. Um, I think the bigger question is I'd rather the township steer, you know, get at the onset of this process and steer them towards another solution. A neighboring town, um, Princeton over in New Jersey, they actually do this. They they do say that in their code, you know, you can't just default to a dry well. you have to prove to the township engineer that these other solutions u a rain garden and other um green storm water infrastructure will

not work in that case. So this place is they're proposing a 20x 20 dry well that's plenty of room for a a rain garden. Um I'm not sure of the setback from the dry well where they will be be prevented from planting trees in the future. So, as our no matter what side of the aisle on summers are getting hotter, um storms are getting uh more intense and maybe this homeowner will want to plant a tree down the road for some shade in their backyard, but they're going to be locked out of that. So, that's uh that's basically it.

So, I I just want to try to address that uh a little bit. So, right now that this is what the regulations in the ordinance say. So, this might be more of a a question for um or getting together and discussing with us, the township engineer, the township manager, and ultimately the township supervisors if we want to incorporate that into the storm order uh management ordinance. So, that's something that maybe we'll reach out to the EAC and start having those discussions if we need to uh look at possibly making those revisions. Yeah, I'm I'm still learning how the process works. I I didn't know if

right now they're they're complying with what our orders say. So it's it's we can't force it right now, but if that's something that we might want to look at um and get more some um you know research whether we do want to change it or not, we'll have those discussions internally and we'll invite the EIC to to discuss that with us. Now they they have to do a waiver for the sidewalks. Is that kind of the same thing? Like you can give a wide you can I feel like engineering is always you can pick and choose. There's a lot of options.

The waiverss is more of whether they meet um some sort of it's whether it is practical or sort of hardship, not quite a variance hardship. The reason for the waiver in this uh instance that they're requesting and I I'll let them speak why why they're granting it. No one else on that road has sidewalks. So it would be sidewalks to nowhere. So it might it doesn't it's not practical to make them do the do the sidewalks but they'll pay a fee in lie of the sidewalks that'll go into a fund that the township can use for other road improvements or sidewalk improvements throughout the township. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. [sighs] See if I get this right. April Lee A. Is it Ahern? Did I say that right? Correct. Oh. every now and then I hit a home run. So, I just wanted to echo what my neighbor said about just construction and the noise. So, I think that that has been addressed. So, nothing more to offer. What? Oh, she I got it. She's 842 Old Lincoln Highway, correct? Yeah. Sorry about that. Um, if this one is correct, Bill Hellstrom,

nothing to add. Nothing to add. Okay. All right, then. I went down the other the first lady I mentioned and the the next lady are both for the Rising Star Daycare. And there's another person for the Rising Star Daycare. Is there anybody else here that wants to speak on behalf of this that didn't sign up? You Come on up. Just have to state your name and address, sir, and I'll fill it out here in the paperwork. Not a problem. [clears throat] My name's um my name is David Ross. I live on West Richardson. Um you excuse me. Can you spell your last name? R O SS. Oh, okay.

If you knew who made the flag, it's easy to spell. Um I live on West Richardson. Uh just to make everyone aware, West Richardson is primarily an undeedicated stone road. Uh the proposed house has gone on a section that does have curbs. Curbs end at my house. Uh they don't maintain the road. Township doesn't maintain the road. We maintain the road. They maintain the paved portion down below where the proposed house is going. I don't have any objection to the house. I would prefer to see him take those trees down because they're all decaying trees and every time there's a windstorm, one of the branches comes down, cuts electric out and there's only eight of us back there on the electric and try to get Pico to act for eight people. So, I agree.

I would like to see the trees come out. That's one thing that I would like to see most of those old aging trees come out of that property. Um, my biggest concern becomes we're running out of lots on West Richardson. So, does the township have any long-term plans or what they're going to do with West Richardson? They're going to develop that street. They're going to make the next people to come in. There's only uh one three lots left there. So, and from a storm water storm water management, we have flooding problem at the end of West Richardson and Huville Avenue or Humeville Road. It puddles down there. We add one more house. I understand because I've done development before about the retention of the roof water retaining on the lot, but there's a driveway. We're going to add to that problem. What are we going to do about perhaps anything we're going to do to maintain that runoff that comes off that lot? That lot flows a lot of water. I know you have been there for 15 years and I see it every time it rains all the water flowing off that lot because it comes from Old Lincoln Highway down across there. So, that's just the way that it it runs out that way. So, there are my concerns, but I don't object to the project. So,

okay. Just have some concerns about it. All right. Thank you. Is there anybody else that would like to speak on behalf of this before I move to the next item? Anybody else here? Everybody else here is for the Rising Star Daycare, I presume. Then, all right. Um, at this point, if we have no other questions, is there any more questions possibly from the board? Uh, follow-up questions or anything like that? Then if you can give me one minute to find my papers. Thank you, Tom.

That's why I'm here. And then at this point, I'm going to ask for a recommendation of approval for SLLD2513 application proposing two lot subdivision and the construction of a single family dwelling at 8:30 Old Lincoln Highway, Langghorn, PA 1 19047, Bucks County Tax Map Parcel 22-13-213 is the property. Recommendation is based on the plan entitled plan of minor subdivision 830 Lincoln Highway made for Judith Todd comprising four sheets and dated November 11th 2025. Plan prepared by Lawrence J. Burn PE and Edmund A. Chadro pls of Eastern Chadro Associates Incorporated of Warster, PA. Recommendation is further based upon the compliance with the comments provided in the section below. Comment A. January 2nd, 2026 letter from Isaac E. Kesler, PE of Remington Vernick Engineers, which is Middletown Townships Engineer. Item B, a December [clears throat] 30th letter from Matthew D. Johnston, PE of Penoni Associates Incorporated. They are Middletown Townships Traffic and Transportation Engineer. Item C, December 2nd, 2025 review letter from the Bucks County Planning Commission. Item D, January 6th, 2026 letter from the Middletown Township Environmental Advisory Council. Item E, December 30th, 2025 letter from Alan Welsh, Middletown Township Fire Marshall. And item F, a waiver from section 440-419 of the Middletown Township Subdivision and Land Development Ordinance. Waiver is requested to require no sidewalks along Old Lincoln Highway and West Richardson Avenue. Applicant shall pay a fee in lie of sidewalks to the township.

Question. Sure thing. Corrupt your motion, but the item D about the environmental council. We're not we don't agree [clears throat] to everything in that letter, any of it actually. Okay. So, we already mentioned that when we were had to discuss. I heard it. May I add um the will comply is to specific sections that are required in codes. Uh the AC is an advisory recommendation body. So even if it's a will comply, they don't necessarily have to comply to a specific requirement that's stated in their letter. Are you following that? Did you

Yeah. Yes. I just wanted to make it clear that we're not going to change this dry well to a rain garden. We're not going to use geothermal heating. We're not going to provide solar panels, right? And that's not in the township's ordinances anyway. So, yeah, we it's recommendation of the recommendation and I just want to make sure that everyone's clear. We're not agreeing to that. Uh yeah, I think kind of standard for us to comprehend that, but yeah, we get it. Okay, thank you. Okay, on that note, then I will ask for a vote, a motion to approve. Is there any motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve. Is there a second?

Second. Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? I I Is there any opposed? Hearing none, you're good to go, sir. Thank you. Shove on the ground. [snorts]

Okay. Our next item, item SLD25-1. Zoya Feldman, applicant owner, requesting to add a small addition to the existing Rising Star Daycare and reconfigure the existing parking lot at 1414 Highland Avenue, Langghorn, PA 1 19047. Tax map parcel 22-016-183 in the R2 residential zoning district. 32 residents were notified. You have the floor, ma'am. Thank you. Good evening. Happy new year.

My name is Chelsea Crocker Jackman. I'm here tonight. I'm from Begley Carlin and Mandio. Uh shall I wait for the uh presentation to be pulled up? Maddie, thank you. That's okay. Thank you. Is there like commercials in this whole thing, Jim?

Just the presentation. They need to pay it. I can go. I was going to say I can get started and give a little background. Sure. Yeah. I was just thinking the same thing. If you want Yeah, no problem. We We do have your plan here. We can see everything. So,

excellent. Thank you. Uh, so I'm here tonight on behalf of Rising Star Daycare. The applicant is Zoya Feldman. Uh, to my left is her daughter. This is Sher Cohen. She's the director of Rising Star Daycare. To my right, uh, is the project engineer, Nick Rose. Uh, so we're here tonight requesting preliminary and final land development approval for this project. Um, which is a 176 Oh, thank you very much.

There. Beautiful. Awesome. Okay. Uh, 176 square foot addition to the existing daycare that's on the property. This is the uh Google Earth view from the front. Uh, this is an aerial over uh here. My pointer's kind of slow. There we go. Um, so this may look familiar to you. Maddie, if you could go to the next slide, please. Uh, we were here back in April, excuse me, May of last year uh seeking uh approval from this board and then a week later went to uh the supervisors and received unanimous approval uh for land development. Well, after that occurred uh unfortunately learned that uh as an implication of the uh second floor addition uh which if we're having a little tough Okay. Well, hopefully you remember that the last time we were here, there was a second floor addition, and that would have required the applicant to outfit the entire building uh with with sprinklers, which was uh they were incapable of doing uh in a cost-effective way. And so, they sort of revamped the plan. We're here tonight for uh an amended uh land development with a small, I'll say, uh addition towards the rear of the property. Uh, and this is on 1.17 acres in uh in the R2 district. So, it uh fronts Highland Avenue. Uh, also has frontage um on uh Sunflower Avenue. So, the main structure will remain unchanged. Uh, and again, it's just an addition towards the rear. We received uh relief at the zoning hearing board for two special exceptions to allow the expansion of non-conforming use on the property and to continue operating a daycare uh in the building. So, uh, if you wouldn't mind, I know we have a hard copy just to

Yeah, if you wouldn't mind grabbing the plan and I'm going to get my good laser pointer.

Would it be okay if we just put it right here on the chair to see? We have it. We We have it right here also. Beautiful. You need it, Amber?

Yeah. So, we can see we can follow you at least. So, uh, as it was about, uh, 9 months ago, we're reducing the net impervious surface, uh, on the property and otherwise reconfiguring the existing parking lot, uh, to create additional spaces, uh, and to be ADA compliant as well. Uh so the development would result in the expanded daycare, more efficient parking on the property, and a circulation pattern that will allow the parents to more efficiently drop off their children, pick them up, and move through the building uh uh parking lot a little easier. So um when we received when we were back here in uh May, we requested three waivers. We're asking ratification of those three waivers again tonight. uh and that is to allow one row of off- streetet parking spaces to exceed 12 spaces. We have 14 uh and that's section 440-421 uh E1. We are seeking ratification of 440-421E uh1 which is to not provide a planter bed at the western end of the 14 car parking row at the parking lot entrance. And finally, uh, 440-421H to not provide one tree of 1.5 inch minimum caliber for every six parking spaces in a single row and 12 parking spaces in a double um, row. So, um, I'm going to take 90 seconds uh, and ask uh, Mr. Rose to go through the plan. Uh, anything that I miss uh, from a bird's eye view? Obviously, they have the plan in front of them, but anything that you want to point out real quick and I'll hold up the board for you.

Oh, here it goes. It's up. Oh, we got it. All right, back to their laser pointer. Here you go. Okay, there you go.

All right. Um, yeah, as as was noted that there really isn't a whole lot of change from what you saw last time, just changing to a one-story addition. The parking is essentially the same because of the location of the addition. There is a property behind it that there was some concern expressed in your engineer's letter about drainage there. So, we are going to make sure we direct that flow towards uh Highland Avenue rather than towards that neighbor. Uh other than that, I believe there was one additional waiver we were possibly looking for for lighting because we understand there's been concern from neighbors about the amount of lighting in the area. So, we were hoping to just light it for a portion of the property so that it doesn't expand onto the neighbors properties. So, if that is a waiver, we'd like to request that as well. Uh other than that, the plan is essentially the same as what you saw before. [snorts]

And uh with a little more specificity, and I'll take the board's direction on this, I'll just go through the the three letters received from Remington, Verdict, Penoni, and from the fire marshall, if that's okay. Um I'll begin with the fire marshall's letter, which indicates uh that should the property have uh 12,000 square feet or more that it'd be required to be outfitted with a sprinkler system. Uh there were conversations uh with Fire Marshall Walsh and he indicated that so long as we're able to provide those numbers that demonstrate it is not more than 12,000 square ft uh Mr. Rose has those and can provide them that it that would not be one of the requirements. So uh we will comply with the fact that we will come in under that 12,000 square feet. Uh as it relates to Remington Bernick's letter uh dated uh January 5th of this year. Uh again I I note many of them are uh item satisfied. Everything is a will comply with the uh exception of the ratification of the previously requested waiverss. Um I do note that there are uh three new comments uh and those are on the second to last page. Uh so on 37 and 38 the new comments those are will complies. I'm starting from the bottom up. uh for 36 uh the new comment being clarify where the storm water runoff from the proposed addition is being drained to and provide any uh details necessary. Uh so that's what Mr. Rose was just commenting on that uh the uh what is caught from the uh roof drains from the new addition will be taken towards Avenue B and uh Highland so as not towards uh the neighbor's property that uh was in concern. Um and then I just want to point out for number 35 with regards to that additional uh waiver that we're seeking. So we we could comply with the necessary lighting that is uh indicated here. However, uh it's our understanding that it was uh the neighbors uh encouraging and urging that we reduce the lighting for light

pollution. So uh my understanding is that was uh discussed with Armenian Bernick and that it would be okay uh to to do it that way essentially because our neighbors, the community, that's what they'd like to see. So that's we're seeking that waiver sort of on their behalf. Um and then I think that's all I have by way of this particular letter. And then as it relates to uh Penon's letter, uh one of the uh so so everything is a will comply here. But I do want to point out number five. So I understand that uh let me get the good laser pointer. Here we go. So uh there were some uh discussions back in um sorry this if you wouldn't mind going to the next slide this is the old plan sorry there we go so there were some discussions back uh in May as I understand with regards to a pico poll and again my laser pointers we're really struggling here does this work is that seen on TV

okay so um this no it's not anyway the bottom where it says sunflower avenue If you look up right where it says uh proposed curb right above it very small uh as it moves towards uh towards the right plan right uh there are some angles we'll call it cuts into that curb um that are not real smooth and so it is our uh intention to smooth those out uh to make that look a little bit nicer and I also want to point out that uh to the left of it where it indicates a planter uh again an a prior issue that is really going to be rectified by this new plan is the ingress egress to allow a little bit more circulation while uh parents are dropping children off and picking them up. That that planner will be uh I'm going to use the word grassified. We're going to put more grass in it. We're going to buff it up. We're going to make it bigger so that people understand that this one very direct way in and one very direct way out with appropriate signage. And hopefully that helps uh what was the previous concern. So improving the property but also improving what uh might be uh something that neighbors and people who were driving on that road had to deal with in with regards to traffic. So I think that those are uh the few things that we wanted to point out. Uh I have uh Nick to my right who can answer any of the engineering questions and then um Miss Cohen to my left. She is the director. Any dayto-day or uh operational questions of the daycare she can answer.

That's all I have. All right. Thank you, Dominic. Just to clarify the last thing you mentioned about the planter. I I were you saying you are proposing to extend that to the Sunflower Avenue um I guess edge of pavement we'll call it. I believe that was a comment in both our letter and the traffic engineers letter. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Okay. I just just because that was the last thing you mentioned. I I figured I'd ask that first.

I'm sorry if I did a bad job explaining. Um, no, as as mentioned, um, we did have a couple additional comments from our last review with the new layout with the addition um being the the first floor edition. Uh, I did speak with Mr. Rose and he did clarify about the roof train runoff and how that's going to be directed away from the properties. Um, the the other two new comments um are will complies. Um, and then regarding the lighting, that is a comment in our letter. They they are not showing the minimum 1 foot candle which is required. Understanding that this is a daycare and they, you know, work during the day, there shouldn't be anybody in there at night. Considering the neighbors that, you know, if that has to be a partial waiver, we would have no objection to that. Um

on item 36 uh clarify where the storm water runoff proposed what you just spoke about. Does he have to add that to the plans? Yeah, that's something we would have him add to a revised set of plans. Okay. Uh Matt, you have anything? I know I s looking at your list here with signage and everything. Yeah, we had a communication

with the one-way signs going in and going out. Sorry, Matt. Come on out, Matt.

Thank you. Uh, yeah, we had conversations with the engineer this afternoon and he indicated all of our comments were will complies and that's what they said here tonight. So, uh, we're satisfied with that. Okay. Thank you. All right. Um, questions from the board. We'll start with Pete. Uh, just a few things and I'll be brief. Um, I remember when this came through before, you said it was in May. Um, my two concerns at that time with this plan were, uh, firstly that you have a playground and I was concerned because I didn't see at the time that you had from the traffic on Sunflower Avid a way to protect from cars going in, ballards, a fence, um, curbing, something of that nature. At the time, you you indicated the applicant indicated that you would have ballards and fencing there. Is that still the case? I see a fence. But will there be ballards or something more substantial to keep traffic from

hopping that into the playground? The consensus behind me, there are ballards currently there now and there's a chain link fence and that'll all remain. Yes. Okay. And then my other concern at the time and wait before I get to that just remind me um your proposal proposes no change in the hours of operation. No, no, no change. How about in your enrollment? What enrollment mean? I'm sorry. Enrollment meaning how many extra children we're enrolling. Correct. Well, we are going to have extra space. So, that that was the intention to enroll. Are you doubling? Are you adding? No, we're not doubling. I think it's maybe 25

25% or so more. Okay. 25 kids, but same hours. Okay. Yeah, same hours. Um it appears that um you don't need relief. you you you're proposing less impervious than what you have now. Um you don't need relief for parking, amount of parking. Is that correct? Was that right, Dominic? No parking. They comply with parking. Okay. Um less pvious, you made a statement um that the runoff, storm water runoff from the addition will be conveyed to Avenue B. What? by to to the surface of Avenue B or to some sewer that's in Avenue B or how will that work?

Well, right now it does go that way generally on the surface and we would just recreate that same pattern. So eventually it would be on the surface. It doesn't go to a sewer or anything. We would not try to get all the way down to a storm. Same point of discharge. Yes. Okay. Um and then my other big concern at the time, which is the concern that remains for me, typically the issue that um daycare centers have is the queueing of traffic, drop off, pickup, cars lining the neighborhood, that sort of thing. How can you convince us that's not an issue, that won't be an issue? Is it an issue currently?

So, we don't have an issue currently. Um, I know some of the some of the neighbors have an issue with the other neighbors that are doing drop offs and pickups for the bus stop in front of our property having nothing to do with you. Nothing to do with our children or people bringing children into our facility. It's the neighborhood families. It's presumed that this will enhance that scenario, right? So, no, it's not going to enhance it because we're the our drop off and pickup for our children at the facility is going to be almost like a roundabout. Parents aren't going to be parking. They're going to be dropping off and then continuing out. But when I say enhance, it's going to better that scenario. Yes. Okay. Yes. That's all I have.

For the benefit. Yes. Yeah. Keith, no, I don't have anything right now. No. Tom. Yes. I have a question. Um, did you uh would you like to address after I'm done my questions, we if you could address the EAC report. Um, again about the electric pole. I remember us talking at length about this at the last time we talked about this. So, is it is it getting moved out of the way or it's getting relocated? I know there's a talk about they didn't know if they could afford to move it or whether Pico wanted to do it or

um I can address both of those. the the second one you just asked the pole is going to stay where it is. What we did was we widened the sidewalk a little bit sidewalk. Okay. So that we don't need that section of the sidewalk. So yes, it will not be moved, but it doesn't have One other thing before you go to the EAC was how late do you stay open? 6:30. 6:30. 6:30. Okay. Because I know you're talking about get having less light, but at 6:30 it's still dark out. So I understand I know that the neighbors are the neighbors are looking for less lighting. We do. We do have lighting now. It's on a timer. Um, and you adjust it accordingly or whatever.

You adjust it accordingly to, you know, the the time change and and weather and everything like that. So, uh, by I I believe it's like 9:00 or 10:00, it it usually shuts off. Anything that's like, you know, the main lighting. Of course, there's the street lighting that is lit. I know the township had I think questions with regards to the lighting at the park, but um I I mean that kind of isn't us and we did try to add some extra lighting um like around where the garage is on the parking lot so that it is more visible but we have everything on a timer so it shouldn't have any kind of problems with the neighbors. Is lighting under your

realm? Yeah, they they are proposing lighting um usually via a wall-mounted light. The the comment was that it's not meeting the minimum one foot candle requirements per the ordinance. Um however, there is lighting in the parking lot. It's not meeting that that uh threshold in the ordinance,

right? That's why it indicated again understanding that um it is the daycare and they operate during the day and with the consideration of the neighbors that you know we would have no objection to a partial waiver but because while it doesn't meet that minimum um in the ordinance there there still is some lighting out there. So that's that's really the on the building lighting in the parking lot. Remember in the past we we had a problem with lighting and they they installed caps over top of the lights to help bring the light straight down instead of having it flare out. Is that would that be useful here or is that am I barking up the wrong telephone pole? That was I remember that. Tomus

detail for the actual diffusing the light. Yeah, actually they have diffusers or whatever for their not the not the wall lights but the parking lot lights. Sorry, if I could jump in. Yeah, there actually is a light diagram on there. The the light on the wall will not be shielded because there's already a concern about the light not spreading far enough. So, we want it to spread at least a little bit. You can see it goes about two/ird of the across the parking lot. So, we don't want to shield it any more than that, but we just don't want to have it. I was talking more like farther than that around the parking lot kind of thing. Correct. When you're getting out to the border. Yeah, most of the parking lot will actually comply. It's just the outer extremity that would not have that exact one foot candle. Okay.

And and just to that end, I just asked Miss Cohen, most of the kids uh are picked up, she indicated by 5:30. Uh so you're in terms of using the the the very far reaches of that that property. It's like right now and not in a couple weeks it'll be different obviously. Yes. Yes. Okay. So then the last thing was the EAC report and and we're in receipt of that. I'll just state uh generally speaking, we understand the recommendation. It's their intention to be environmentally conscious and two uh follow as much of the recommendations as possible. Uh they are uh a independently owned. This isn't a franchise uh daycare. Uh this is uh she's the director. It's her parents that own it. Um and so u understand the intent of the EIC, but go ahead. Sorry.

Yeah, in that letter uh their first comment was just to make sure we preserve that wooded area to the left of the plan, which we are going to do. We're not proposing any disturbance of that area. The other two had to do with the building. Um, and I this is an existing building, so we wouldn't retreat it. But the first comment is being addressed. We are not impacting that woods. And the number two was there's going to be seven mature trees currently on the property will be removed for construction. And are you going to replace them? I believe you're looking at the letter for the uh the last Yeah, I don't think that's our letter. Nothing's being removed. Oh [clears throat] god. I'll go home now. [laughter]

You got me there. Keep getting all these letters mixed up. Sorry.

Way to go, Tom. So, I only have the one question which actually I was talking about earlier. that plan on the for your proposed sidewalk shows where the sidewalk's going across and sort of dips and I think we spoke Matt about having them change that to a straight line but now I look at the plan that's in front of us and it is a straight line so I'm a little confused on which one uh is the proper drawing

it's not quite straight That one. That one. But the one we're looking at here, did you did you is is quite straight. Are we looking at the same plan? There's two little angles above the wordvenue. They're not very definitive. So it looks somewhat straight, but they're just two little ang Now now that we look at the plan in more in detail. So, are we proposing that they straighten that dip out to make it one straight curb? And that was brought up to them and they were in agreement with it. Okay. Which is going to encompass the telephone pole that was basically in the middle of the street at one point.

It's actually to the south of the pole, but yes, it's in that area. Right. I have nothing else. Joe, my question was answered. Amber? Nope. Okay. At this point, is there anybody from the public? So, Sherry, at this point, you signed the paper, but you're not going to speak on behalf, right? And so, um, the next the next person that signed up was Galma Alex. She's not speaking either. All right, then. Uh, we'll go down to Zach Smith. Is Zach Smith here?

Can you state your name and address, sir? Uh, Zach Smith, uh, 1325 Highland Avenue. Um, I'm right there on Avenue B. I think through this conversation, my only concern is drain water going onto Avenue B because it already pulls at the end and there's no sewer anywhere at the end there. So, it just sits in my yard. Um, so if there's any way to push it towards Highland as opposed to off onto Avenue B. Um, because there's no on the top side of Avenue B in this drawing, there's no curb or anything. It just slopes into my yard.

Do you want to answer that, sir? Uh, yes. I just to say we can't we can do that. Yes, we'll work with your engineer to make sure we take care of that. Good with that, Dominic. Okay. Anything else, sir? I'm good. Okay. That's all. Is there um I went through the list of signups, but is there anyone else here that didn't unsign up that would like to speak uh on behalf of this case? Come on up, sir. And state your name and address, please. Absolutely. It's Matt Helms, 838 Sunflower Avenue.

Go ahead, sir. Okay, great. Um, how many employees does the daycare have? Uh, that would be a question that she could answer behind you. We don't know that. So, employees maybe on a daily basis about 20 23. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Um, how many parking spots will they have total when everything's said and done? It's 32. 32. I'm trying to count that right now. Right. I mean, Dominic had looked at that prior to 32 is correct. 32.

32. Okay. All right. And uh, so right now they have four parking spots that are available after parking, employee parking. So, after everybody drops off about 10 o'clock in the morning or so, um everything dies down, it's not a mess with traffic, cars coming in and out, and uh you know, you kind of have a good idea of who's staying there all day long. Um they're the staff. So, with an additional 25 kids and you have six extra parking spots, was it six? Math is not my thing. Um I don't know if it really works. Um, I just can't see it being any better if you're uh what do you have about 100 kids that go there? 100 kids.

Okay. So, I don't know, another 25 kids with only an extra like six parking spots and everything happens within like a 2hour time. Two hours in the morning, two hours at the end of the day. That's when that's when my neighborhood's a mess with traffic. I just don't see it. Um, if unless you do something with the employees to carpool, yeah, would be the only suggestion. I have no problem with the expansion, but I do have a problem with the traffic. I just want to clarify it. You you said it was going to be a drop off, right? A circle loop. So, my understanding is that the kids would get dropped by their parents in a car load and keep going. Yes.

And you have a line down, right? And you have a line down the street down Highland Avenue

dropping off. So instead of nor right now that the way that it works is everybody comes in one time, everybody backs up at the same time. It's a real mess. And uh so now you're going to have one person stop and hold up all the traffic that's going to come out the parking lot down Sunflower down Highland until that one person the bottleneck drops off and then a few minutes goes by you know and they usually this parents walk in. So, it's not like you just open up the car door, say, you know, get out and you and you move on. It's not like Wendy's. Um, I just see it backing up in the Highland Avenue. Um, I think the idea is a good idea to have a drop off, but it's not efficient. There's no pulloff space where you can pull out of the way maybe and let the next person go around. Um, I just uh I can see people parking on my lawn um dropping off because they're they can't wait. they're running late for work. Um, everybody in the morning, everybody drives so fast around the neighborhood because everybody has to get their kid to daycare so they can make it to work on time. Uh, I don't know. I just not a not a good as a resident of 27 years living there and seeing what happens every single day. It's just uh it can't get any it's not going to make things any better is what I'm saying. That's uh that's all that I have to say.

Can I make

Thank you. I I understand your concerns and you have to come up to the mic. I understand his concerns, but um I as far as I've seen and I as [clears throat] of right now, the way our daycare has been running, I've never seen anybody just, you know, park on somebody's lawn or stay on the street. And our drop off and pickup, we are going to have aids outside getting the children from the car. The parents are not going to be getting out of the car and leaving their car idled while they walk their child in. will have attendance out there to take just like at you know other schools they have attendance out there to pick up and drop off clicker and um we don't have a specific time like at elementary schools where you have to drop off at a specific time. We have people that are dropping off and picking up at various times of the day. drop off starts at like maybe 7 am um and it kind of dies down around 11 and then again you know pickup starts around about 3:30 and then it ends at 6:30. So it's not like, you know, all hundred and, you know, 25 parents are coming all at one time to pick up or drop off. And if it does p, you know, show a problem where it's going onto the street, which I don't propose it being like that because it is such a big loop that's going to be there um in the center of the parking lot. It's not going to be the way it is now. It's going to it's going to be in the, you know, parking lot and the spaces aren't going to be the same. It's going to be like a loop going through. Right. [clears throat]

So they're not we're we don't want to clutter up the neighborhood. We don't want to clutter up the streets. We've been like even when it comes time for like our holiday shows and we have parents coming. We started breaking it up so that you know we don't have everybody all at once coming. We started bringing parents in in in you know different times, different days and spreading it throughout the week instead of all at once. So they don't park in front of people's properties and disturb the neighbors. So, we do try to, you know, work with the neighbors on that. Your last holiday party, somebody was in my driveway. The we had we had to go across the street, track down the owner, and tell them, "Get out of my Can you get closer to the microphone, sir?"

Uh, the last holiday party, I did have somebody in my driveway leaving to work. There was a uh white minivan in my driveway. It's so it's the only time it's ever happened, but it it's because holiday party, you get all the kids there at one time. They stay there for a few hours and uh you'll find parking all over the place, in front of my mailbox. Um I person I don't have a problem in the front of my mailbox or the side of my house. You're parking in the middle of the street, that's a police matter, but in my driveway that you know that was disconcerning. Um, if it's if the cars if you have a number of cars in the roundabout and everybody leaves their car to take their kid into the daycare or maybe one staff member is bringing kids in, you still have all the other cars waiting for that staff member to come out and grab a child to bring them into the building. When they bring these children in the building, I don't know how efficiently it would work. Um, I would tend to see, I mean, having two kids on my own that are all grown adults, I know it's not that easy, you know, getting them out of the car seat, um, uh, grabbing their book bag, grabbing their bottle. It's, uh, it takes time. It's not a, it's not efficient. Are you going to have a policy like now with your new uh parking lot and the way that traffic's going to flow that um they couldn't drop off their child until they sort of got to the front door or the loading in area? Like are you going to let your um

so the the parents know that they can't pull over like by this gentleman's property and run with their child across the sidewalk and in to drop their kid off? like is there going to be a new policy enforce that coming and taking from the car and then walking in? We would have several attendants that are, you know, coming in and and taking from them. But it all the they all will be dropped off inside the parking lot area, right? As shown on your plan.

Parents are not to get out of their car. They're not to, you know, leave their car idled. They're to stay in their car. The car shouldn't even be in park in my opinion. They should be stopped. The attendant comes out, takes the child, brings the child inside. Next attendant comes, gets the next child. So, we're planning on having, you know, a couple attendants, you know, coming in and out and and helping with that traffic when it's a busy time. When it's slow time, I don't I don't really see it being that much of a problem. I just wanted to comment really quick. That was part of when we said it would improve. That was is is part of this. That's not what's happening now. I'm sorry, what's your name? I'm Matt.

Matt. Um, and I just leaned over and said to to Sher, can you exchange contact information? So, if somebody ever does that, you shouldn't have to go over. She'll she runs the school. she can figure out whose car it is and say get out of his driveway. He can't be doing that. So, she wants to be a good neighbor to you. That's that's so maybe afterwards you guys can connect. Sure. Um you had brought up that you have 25 employees now. Well, on that that are usually at once we have about 20 to 24. Okay. And do you intend to get more with another the other 25 children? Maybe maybe up to five depending on how many depending on how many children are going to be in the facility because we have to keep up the ratio with how many children or how many teachers.

Okay? Because the reason I'm bringing that up because he mentioned before there's only four open spots right now. How many open spots you going to have if you get more employees there now with more children? If I could comment that the lowest ratio is would be the infant room if and correct me if I'm wrong which is a 4:1 ratio. So let's say she only gets babies, then it would be at max five employees if you're uh being um costefficient in terms of employees, but meaning she'd be required to hire at max five employees. That's just what it comes back to parking more than not how many employees you have or the ratios like he had mentioned. Right now there's four spots open. So now

wait, we have 36 spots. Am I They're adding six spots though. I I can use that would be it seems like okay so you're Was it six spots or four spots? There's 32 spots proposed. Uh and right now there are 24 existing so they're adding eight eight spaces. Eight spaces. Okay, fine. Should be I I I apologize that there's 25 existing. So they're adding seven spaces.

Seven spaces and hopefully So, seven spaces and if she's, you know, and she has to hire five, it would be if she were to get 25 babies, you know, at least two spaces left, right? And again, in worst case scenario, 25 babies decide to join the daycare as opposed to something like a four-year-old who has a much higher ratio, meaning she wouldn't have to hire more people. That's right. Just commenting on how it see this doesn't seem like it's going to be a problem, but understand the the concern. I

think we thought at first there was only four available spaces and then we're thinking five more employees, you're out of parking, but now that that's been clarified, is there any other Go ahead, Tom. You got Oh, is there any other comments from the board? Is there anybody else from the public who would like to speak on this or Okay, then at that point I'm going to divert to a recommendation of approval. Jim, this one was the one with amended.

This is amended. Okay. Recommendation of approval for amended final land development of SLLD number 25-1. application proposing an expansion to the existing daycare facility and reconfiguration of existing parking lot at 1414 Highland Avenue, Langghorn, PA 1 19047, Bucks County Tax Map, parcel 22-16-083. Recommendation is based on plan entitled land development plan for 1411 Highland A comprising three sheets and dated August 15 2024 and last revised October 20th 2025. Plan is prepared by Nicholas T. Rose PE of Protract Engineering Incorporated of Hapar PA. Recommendation is further based on compliance with the comments provided in the list. Comment a January 5th 2026 letter from Isaac E. Kesler, PE of Remington and Vernick Engineers, which is Middletown Townships engineer. Item B, a December 30th, 2025 letter from Matthew D. Johnston, PE of Penoni Associates Incorporated, who are Middletown Townships traffic and transportation engineers. Item C, December 30th, 2025 letter from Alan Walsh, the Middletown Township Fire Marshal. Item D, January 6, 2026 letter from the Middletown Township Environmental Advisory Council. And item E, applicant will pay a fee in lie for required tree plantings. At this point, I ask for a motion to approve. Is there a motion?

I'll make a motion to approve. Is there a second? I'll second. Keith second. All in favor? Is there any opposed? Nope. at this point. Thank you. Have a good night. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, as soon as I can find I found it that fast. My agenda paperwork review of the zoning hearing board advertisement. Uh looks like you got a long list there, Jim, for zoning.

Yes, chair. Um and I believe we actually even covered some of these one a lot. There was a lot of continuences from the December Zoning hearing board. So, some of these that we already covered were carried are now carried over into January. Uh I believe I during the December meeting I drew your attention to appeal 2570 because that would result in a land development if it is granted by the zoning hearing board because it is a construction of an office building. Um, and then I that might only be the only one that would result, yes, that would result in a land development if granted by the zoning hearing board. So, if if that is granted, you would most likely eventually see that in front of you for land development.

And is that really an office building? Uh, it is right now a uh warehouse. Okay. and slashoff building. Seems like we don't we're talk we had this discussion in the past but they're not making office buildings anymore. Yeah. So it it it is office operations for already existing operations at that property. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So they're expanding the warehouse.

So yeah, so there's there's already a fairly large building on the property. are building another building for I believe offices that would be in combination to the warehouse operations that are there or that or I forget I forget ex if it's if it's not a warehouse it's some light industrial use that is allowed in that area of the light manufacturing zoning you go oh yeah it's not a data center it's not a data center not that's continued from December 10th so that's an ongoing that's right they yeah okay they're asking for some big relief on some things with the parking spaces and um setbacks. I guess sideyard setback. No, not the sideyard, but the front yard setback

and the side set. Yeah, front's pretty big. 25 ft. 15% more. Yeah. I mean, there's it's it's some serious uh Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, that I I don't know if the zoning her board will grant it or not. It's always up to them. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, that was the only one that would pertain to us. Then at this point, is there any other business to come before this board this evening? Then at that point, I will ask for a motion to adjurnn. Motion.

Thank I was waiting. That was a real long pause in the adjourn motion there. Is there a second to adjurnn? Second. All in favor? I. Meeting adjourned.