Code Enforcement Board - Regular Meeting

all right thank you very much we'll now call this evening's code enforcement board hearing to order uh mr hill if you would approach and start us off

Good evening, everyone. Welcome to tonight's Miami Shores Village Code Enforcement Meeting. My name is Marlon Hill. I'm the attorney representing the Code Enforcement Board that is seated at the dais. I will be representing the Village at tonight's hearing. Hopefully, you checked in this evening with Clerk Emily. Raise your hand, please, Emily. If you have an item in the agenda, please make sure that you checked in with Emily. And then we have our code enforcement director and team to my left. I want to encourage everyone right now, if you could, do us the courtesy of putting your phones on vibrate so that you don't disturb this evening's proceedings. We're going to have three types of hearings on our agenda this evening, but it's a pretty short agenda. Typically, we have a first hearing, penalty hearing, and request for relief. Chair Huber is going to walk us through what's on the agenda for those people who have checked in with our clerk. If you are going to be testifying this evening, I'll ask if you could just stand and raise your right hand. if you're going to be testifying on the agenda, if you're going to be speaking at all. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Thank you so much. Chair Huber, over to you.

Did you cover the request for relief, best and final offer?

No, I did not.

Okay, yeah, do you want to just do that real quick and then?

The... Yeah, third and final meeting. So basically the three types of hearings that we have, the one has to do with request for relief. These are cases where there has been a cited violation and there's a lien pending on the property and you will have an opportunity to present your best offer to the Code Enforcement Board to settle that request for relief. It's an offer and a negotiation that will be accepted or not accepted by the Code Enforcement Board.

All right, thank you very much. Thank you for coming to the enforcement board hearing. This board is empowered to hear evidence in order to reach findings of fact and conclusion of law for the purpose of resolving cases that come before it. A finding of violation in any case before us may lead to costs being assessed and a daily fine being levied for the violation of the village's code of ordinances. The board is always interested in comments or statements that will help us make a determination in each case, and we are always interested in compliance rather than levying fines. If you have not already done so, please come forward and give your name to the clerk so that we may know you are here. If there is no objection, we would consider at one time all cases involving the same piece of property. All right, Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Mr. Congiano? Here. Mr. Rodriguez?

Here.

I know that Mr. Vickers is excused. Mr. Pearl?

Here.

Mr. Hahn?

Here.

Mr. Behrman? Here. Chair Huber.

Here. All right. Thank you very much. Madam Clerk, is anyone present for first hearing?

Yes.

All right. Who do we have?

We have Mr. Vega, 20 Northeast 104th. However, I don't see that on our agenda. Did he leave? All right, then that leaves Mr. Miller at 4479 Northeast 102. Mr. Berry?

Mr. Berry?

OK, 479 Northeast 102? Yes, correct. All right, if you would approach the podium and just state your name and address for the record.

My name's Steve Berry. My address is 479 Northeast 102nd Street.

All right, so we're here for case 0524319, unauthorized construction and property owner's responsibility regarding Parkway. Staff, why don't you start us off?

Good evening, everyone. Leopold Lewis for The Village. CASE NUMBER 05-24-219, PROPERTY ADDRESS 479 NORTHEAST 102 STREET, ALL KNOWN RECORD, BARRY STEVE, IN VIOLATION OF CODE 20-17AB, HONORS RESPONSIBILITY REGARDING PARKWAY, AND 6-4, UNAUTHORIZED CONSTRUCTION SLASH EXPIRED PERMIT. THE COOPERATIVE ACTIONS IS TO RESTORE SWELL AREA TO ITS NATURAL STATE BY REMOVING GRAVEL AND ADDING SOD. This case was created on 5-31st, 2024. The current deadline was August 25, 2025. The property is still non-compliant.

Okay, so both the unauthorized construction is the swale? Yes. Okay, perfect. All right. Mr. Berry, why don't you tell us

Okay, so I purchased my property in December of 2016. At that time, the property is as it is today. There were two parking spaces in the front on this whale that are gravel parking spaces. I have found some aerial photographs from 2012. Those spaces are there. And as far back as 2003, I have another one from 1993 downloading. It was a large file and it was taking too long today. So the parking spaces have been there for over 20 years. It never was a problem in all the years that I've owned the house. I know my neighbor, Felipe Azana, moved in two years ago. three years ago and put a gravel driveway on his swale or parking space on his swale. It was at that time that he was cited I think from a neighbor complaint is from what I understand although that was never really made clear. And myself and another neighbor were also cited for the same thing. So the violation says prohibited installation of gravel and swale area, but I didn't install anything clearly. And we've been petitioning the village for the better part of a year, year and a half to please consider changing the code we have a real flooding issue in our on our street 102nd street the street is here the sidewalk is here and our properties are here so every time it rains we we deal with every bit of six to seven inches of water in the in the sidewalk alone Having the the gravel driveway allows when we park our cars to we don't step in mud and grass and get all wet it's the water is able to get into the ground and still not make a mess. I mean I maintain the parking spaces as do my neighbors. I don't have any driveway on my property. I don't know if there ever has been. I don't believe there ever has been a driveway. If I put in a driveway, it's just going to be more impervious materials that is going to cause more flooding, which I'm concerned will get closer to my house and cause further problems and damage. So I'm asking for you know an exception or a variance or I don't understand why this violation all of a sudden started occurring when the parking spaces have existed for more well more than 20 years I've documented that right right here okay so you have not recently added any gravel or I have not changed the dimensions I never have okay all right um And I've been working by calling. Everett Call was the first person that I spoke with. I know I spoke with Leopold as well. I call every month or two, and I'm told that apparently there's a lot more homes in Miami Shores that are facing the same problem. I know Felipe and I go for walks. I go for runs. I see plenty of gravel driveways. We're not quite sure why only our street is being cited with violations.

Well, just in general, the way neighborhood services work is they come for a complaint and then when they're in the area, they might get a couple other people. But unless somebody complains, for the most part, they're not driving around looking for compliance issues, right? So that's usually how it gets caught. I'm sure it was the new construction next door, your neighbors, then they came to inspect that and notice, oh, well, he's got a driveway that he's not supposed to have. He's got a driveway and then it's the way it works. right it's been nobody was out to get you you know it's not it or and then also the reason why that other neighborhoods might have the situation to is because we're not driving around looking saying all he's not allowed to have that driveway and you know it's unless somebody calls and says hey they're doing construction they're not supposed to The problem is with this board, we can't make a variance. You have to go to PNZ. And that's a whole different process. Right. I mean, it seems that you have, you know, some evidence to the fact that it's existed for an extremely long period of time. Leopold, is this swale, is this an easement on his property or is it Miami Shore's property? Yeah, that becomes a little bit more difficult, too. If the approach, you know, if it was your property that the Miami Shores has an easement against, then it's a different story. Like the swale in front of my house is not my property. My property ends 15 feet before the road, and that's Miami Shores' property all the way to the center of the road. I mean, you still have to go to P&Z. I think what the board might want to do is, how long would it normally take him to get on the P&Z?

He just has to apply.

And when's the next one? I'm sure he's missed the next one. Yeah, the next one he can apply for would be October. Okay, so, I mean, what I would recommend the board do is to give him an extension to come back in November. You know, that gives him an opportunity to get into at least one P&Z meeting. He might be able to squeeze into this one. I would be fine also with removing the 64A violation and it would just be the 2017 AB. You know, obviously he hasn't done any construction recently. It would be a different thing if he put in gravel and this is where, you know, or added, you know, some logs around it or something to square it up. Mr. Chair?

Yeah, Barry. I believe that this evening, since Mr. Huber is not here, I have probably Mr. Vickers is not here. I believe that I have probably the senior member of the board and about 20 years ago, the village band gravel driveways. And everybody who had a gravel driveway was grandfathered until they did the slightest changes to it and that triggered them having to come in compliance with the new code with the new code so it's entirely possible that mr. Barry's house had the driveway for years and years and years and You know, it's not your fault, but You're responsible for the property. So even though you didn't do it. It's still your problem. I

Mr. Perry may ask a question.

Well, hold on.

First, you're not sworn in.

And I think Mr. Huber is right. The only way that you're going to avoid having to pave that is to get a variance from building and zoning. We can't do that.

Well, we could also ask staff to find out when the code changed and come back to us, right? Because if he is grandfathered in...

You know, this will, you know, they could do some research in the same amount of time. So, if we came back to revisit this in November, would that be enough time for you guys to research?

Yes.

My recollection was that from years ago, it was the part of the driveway that went from the sidewalk to the house. I don't, but I imagine that the part from the sidewalk to the street probably was in the same package.

Well, the problem is with Miami Shores property, it's different. If it wasn't part of the easement, it was probably in that package, but Miami Shores gets to dictate whether or not you plant a tree or anything on their property, which becomes, that's where the difficulty arises. If it was under our power, we would come up with a decision, but that's... The variance would be outside of our power. The only thing we could say is if it was grandfathered in, then we could, you know, but we'd need to do a little research on that. So my recommendation would be that we table this to a November meeting.

Which is what day? November 6th.

6th? Yes. Okay, perfect. So motion and seconded, or moved by Barry, do we have a second?

I second.

Mm-hmm.

And then, Madam Clerk, would you call roll when you get a chance? All right.

Thank you. Oh, we got a review. A little bit more. Some more formalities.

I'm confident that it's going to pass.

Mr. Conchiano?

Yes.

Mr. Hahn?

Yes.

Mr. Pearl? Yes. Mr. Rodriguez? Yes. Chair Huber?

Yes. All right. Thank you very much. Chairman. Yes, sir. Would it be possible to make a motion to change the ordinance?

That would be at planning and zoning. Okay.

No, actually change the ordinance. You got to go in front of village council.

Well, town council would normally ask the planning and zoning to then come back or staff to come back with an adjustment. And then they would go through, it has to go through an announcement period and it takes quite a long time. Okay. But that's how the fence height change got done. You know, it just, it took six years.

I'm just trying to avoid future problems. If I have to replace it, I put grass in, then it's like, oh, the grass is dying. Then I get a violation for that. If I put in concrete or pavers, I got a driveway, now I'm flooding everywhere. Where my house sits is a real problem with flooding. All the water from the alleyway on my entire block drains into my side yard. It's caused me... close to $100,000 in problems so far.

I have a similar problem. I've offered to the city to have my swale dug up and removed the impervious surfaces to replace it with drainage, and they've told me the same thing, that I can't, so I'm stuck with what I have to.

Okay.

Well, if I may. Go ahead. Have you come here to look at your, I call it a dossier, of your property? Have you come here to do that, to see what's been grandfathered? The file, yeah. Your file? No. You should do that. And the interim while you wait for P&Z and you wait for them to come and do it. I've done that when I bought my property. I know what's grandfathered and what's not.

Yeah, if you have a permit, if that area is permitted from way, way back when, you're golden.

You're golden. So I would take the time to come here. Just go to the clerk right there and just ask for your file. They bring you in the back, and you just go page by page, and you're able to take pictures and photocopy your stuff. But you've done your own investigative work instead of waiting and then just pondering, hey, are they going to get to it? Just come here yourself. And I tell that to everybody, so that way you know what is in fact grandfathered, what's not.

Okay, and that's like typical business hours.

Of course, yeah. And they'll take care of you. I mean, on a slow date, they'll call you in, they'll pull it. The hardest thing is them finding the file.

Yeah, schedule it in advance.

But it's well worth it, man. Oh, you can do it digitally? Yeah.

Digitally?

They've scanned a lot of it. The point is it's well worth your time because now you know what is and what is not. And then you can go to PNZ or you can go and you can defend your property accordingly. Just free advice.

okay so i'll do that yeah and then i gotta get with pnz yeah get on get on at least for the october okay yeah all right yeah yeah even if they give you a temporary variance you know if it gives you time to you know work with you know if they can give you a period of time to see if you can work with the town council to change the code you know yeah i mean i think it would be a benefit to the village especially like on my block because of the flooding concerns All right. Thank you.

Good luck. Madam Clerk, do we have anyone else present?

You know what they say about free advice. Yeah.

They don't take it.

There's no one else for NOVs.

Huh? Yeah. What was that? No one else for NOVs. No one else for NOVs. Okay.

I remember that the gentleman in the striped shirt, I'm sorry, sir, I don't know your name, but you had a question. I don't know if you wanted to get sworn in to ask.

Oh, no, that's okay. Okay. Actually, I will.

Ms. Marlin, Mr. Hill, would you please swear him in?

Yes, sir.

All right, you can approach the podium if you had a comment about the last.

My only question was I was working with Steve and Michael Miller, 103rd Northwest, 2nd Avenue.

The only thing I'm trying to understand is what are you guys actually trying to do because you're saying you want it to be not imperious, but if I put concrete there and I know the code that I can do an entire driveway for them, but I'm taking away more stuff, that's going to be an issue.

Yeah, I mean, that's what we were saying. That's outside the purview of the board. We can only enforce the code as it stands. I mean, sometimes, you know, we don't like to, but that's, you know, if the code says you can't plant a tree and you planted a tree and, you know, we got to tell you to remove it. You know, we're trying to give him options to extend the period before we have to basically start finding him or putting a lien against the property. um correct but yeah for planning and zoning that's where we would that i would recommend you start but then you know you have to get the town council to request pnz to or to staff to adjust the code and then it takes a whole announcement period and and all that uh it just takes time and yeah i mean there's a it's not what's what's the board that your wife is on the sustainability board would probably be a great place to start with that as well they're already Yeah, but the more outcry, the better, right?

Because how I read the code is if I make that legal, I'm taking those two gravel spots, I'm making them into concrete, and I'm doing a round circle. So I'm taking away more things that are actually soaking water. I sent out to Mr. Orta and other people, hey, here's a solution. We do this on places that we have to, like where we park boats, where they're like big pavers for cement, but you still get grass coming through them, and no response. That's all I'm trying to understand.

Because you go up and down 101st and 102nd, every driveway... Yeah, the code enforcement team is kind of, or neighborhood services is kind of handcuffed. They can't tell you how to do anything. They can tell you how you can't do something. Right? They, you know... Hi, I'm sorry.

Did you guys just come in? Can you come sign in for me, please?

I think they're together. Okay. At this time, Chair observes that there have been no appearance by anyone on behalf of the alleged violators in connection with case numbers 0525131, case 0724373, and case 0825243. Mr. Director, do the case files on each of these matters contain affidavits attesting to the existence of the code violations alleged and demonstrating proper notice to the alleged violator for tonight's hearings? They do, Mr. Chair. All right. At this time, I will entertain a motion for summary adjudication. Mr. Chair, I have a question first. Oh, go ahead.

Mike, regarding the...

0825-243.

0825-243. Is that anything that the board needs to be concerned to be considered separately? I say it's a vicious dog.

Well, I'll tell you, we...

Immediate threat to somebody's well-being or...

We got an email from the police department. They were called by the individual that lives behind them. And these individuals from 9526, they have dogs that continuously get out of the property. So what happened was one of the dogs, I guess when the individual was pulling in, the dog started biting the tire. So... BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ELSE.

YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANY REPORTS OF A PERSON BEING BIT?

NO, I DID NOT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ALL RIGHT. I NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR SUMMARY ADJUDICATION.

Mr. Chair, I move for summary adjudication of all such cases to include a finding effect and a conclusion of law that a violation exists as charged in the respective notice of violations issued. In each such case, the offending party shall correct the violation within the time period specified by staff in the staff recommendations for these hearings and immediately notify the code enforcement board, oh, I'm sorry, the code enforcement officer when the property is brought into compliance. In each such case, if the violation is not brought into compliance, within such time period, the code enforcement officer may report this fact back to the board in accordance with the board's rules and regulations, at which time a fine is hereby authorized to be automatically assessed against the violator in the amounts recommended in staff's recommendation for tonight's hearing. retroactive to the original compliance deadline, which will constitute a lien on the property of the violator.

Do I have a second? I second. All right, seconded. Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Mr. Hahn?

Yes.

Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Chair Hubert? Yes. Mr. Pearl? Yes. Mr. Canciano? Yes.

All right, Madam Clerk, is anyone present for enforcement?

No, Chair.

All right, thank you. Also on tonight's agenda is a matter of staff's request for orders imposing previously adjudicated fines as a penalty for lack of timely compliance with the Board's prior orders. I will now call the penalty cases on the agenda. We have Case 0525121 and Case 1124517. Mr. Director, do the files on all these penalty cases contain an appropriate affidavit demonstrating in each such case the violations referenced in your request continue to exist subsequent to the date on which they were to have been corrected in accordance with the previous orders of this board and that to date no one has contacted Neighborhood Services to advise these violations have been corrected?

They do and they have not.

All right. I will now entertain a motion to impose fines.

I move that in each case currently remaining on the penalty docket for tonight's hearing, each respective violator be ordered to pay the daily fine previously adjudicated and authorized to be imposed against them by prior order of the board, retroactive from the day the violation was to have been corrected. That upon recording the board's orders in this regard will constitute a lien of property of the violator.

Do I have a second? I second.

All right, Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Mr. Perl? Aye. Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Chair Hubert?

Yes.

Mr. Hahn?

Yes.

Mr. Cangiano?

Yes. All right. Madam Clerk, do we have anyone present for a request for relief?

We do. However, we just had someone join us. Mr. in the pink shirt, will you be participating in the hearing tonight?

I'd like to give.

If you'll be speaking tonight, yes. Mr. Hill, please.

All right, thank you.

All right, who do we have present?

Todd Headley, 20 Northwest 93rd Street.

All right. All right, Mr. Headley, if you would state your name and address for the record.

Todd Headley, 20 Northwest 93rd Street.

All right, so we are here for case 31817466, unauthorized construction, expired permits. The fine amount is $124,350. The amount proposed is $12.35? Yes. Okay. Please explain why we should accept your offer.

Sure, and I may have overdone it, but I put some packets together. Is that right? Yeah, go ahead. Thank you. So to start on this entire issue, it came from a fake complaint from a business that I ordered product from that never delivered. They decided to then probably two or three weeks after I did an Amex chargeback, they called in a fake noise complaint on a Thursday afternoon around 3 p.m. saying there was construction going on. I was dumbfounded by the complaint, so that was at the time when Tom Benton was here. Went back and forth. He finally sent me the voicemail recording and the phone number that came attached to it. I couldn't figure out who it was. I have an amazing relationship with all my neighbors. This was maybe two months after we had one of those bad hurricanes. I'm in all their backyards cutting their trees down, clearing brush. We got some older neighbors, etc. So I was puzzled. We don't have an alleyway, so we're really tight among that street 93rd and 92nd. Couldn't figure out anything. No one did it. I hired a private investigator to figure out who made this complaint because I knew it was false. Come to find out, and it's in the docket, that the gentleman found that it was, in fact, the owner of this company who called Miami Shores. It was, in fact, his wife. They're out of their cell phone number from Sunshield Awnings. Made this complaint, which obviously forced Code to come check something out for noise. I do believe probably two weeks after the fact that Code came out, I had some gentlemen working on something else. That's when they observed the shower. I want to show you guys these pictures.

Sorry to make full copies here.

And I have these on my phone. The dates are blown up. That's in 2017. This is the shower. It had long been there. And then here's a view of my house, just so you can see how private. So, the shower was there. There was, we had the, what do you call the cover to go underneath the house, the access cover was removed because probably a week prior we had a dead animal. Excuse me, an animal dying in the house. That was the only way to retrieve it. They were helping me do that. When the pest control did that, he kicked off a drain. So they were helping fix that. These were gentlemen that were at my house often. A partner and I had a property on Northwest 7th and 48th. where we did lots of construction. So this was their halfway point. They'd come by, drop tools, things like that every day for almost two years at my house. Not arguing that the shower was not permitted. I admit that. I've remedied it since then. I just am kind of in shock that a fake complaint occurred. It was proven. I tried to work with counsel in the past. Everyone kept kind of passing the buck. I demoed the shower, I demoed the fence, I capped the plumbing, I did everything. I thought this was closed out late 19, early 20. I needed a new roof earlier. I started looking at getting a new roof earlier this year. I applied to Ygreen. They ran a search to finance me and told me I had a lien on my home. So came in, found out how bad the lien was. Mr. Orta was very helpful with that. So that's kind of where we are today. I also have, in my opinion, you know, this is me looking at stuff online, I question if someone's allowed to go into my backyard without my permission. Tom Benton said my workers were acting as my agents. I don't believe that's in any way true and acceptable. Next thing you know, your landscaper is letting people in your backyard. So this was a very intrusive experience. Still to this day, I get worked up about how everything went down. And I want to make it right. I've remedied it. I understand the amount I've requested might sound ridiculous. But after all I've been through over this, I'd like to get it put to bed.

Mr. Chair, I do want to say we spoke about the matter. I did want to say this to you, and I told Mr. Healy that I was going to mention it. He has maintained an impeccable property since he's been the owner of the property. I just wanted to put that into the record.

Okay. Whose case is it?

My case.

It's your case? Yes, sir. Okay. Did you enter the property without permission?

Of course not. And I do feel, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Without my permission?

Well, he doesn't, yeah. I mean, listen, you're a guy after my own heart with knowing curtilage, and that alone sets you above and beyond like 99% of the people. But anybody that's working on the property can give him access to the property. It's just the way it works. Yeah. And then I see, and these are great photos, but the other thing is that this breezeway gives him common access because it's not secured. It gives him common access that anybody can walk up to that fence line and view what is allowed by common access because there's doors there. People could walk up and knock on that door. So that does give them common access to that area. Trust me, you are... probably the most informed person about your rights. And this is going to go a long way for you. I am wholeheartedly in agreement that as the The curtilage of your home extends out, even the swale of Miami Shores that isn't my property, as far as I'm concerned, the curtilage of my home extends out into that property as well. But people are allowed to approach your house, they're allowed to knock on the door, they're allowed to place mail into your, mailbox, they're allowed to see up into where there's been marked, you know, fenced off and things like that, right? So, and it does extend into that if you have somebody working at your home and a code enforcement officer says, hey, what are you guys working on? And they're like, come see what we're working on. He's allowed to go and look, you know, this is... I agree if you had told your workers and from the future I would tell your workers that they are specifically not allowed to allow other people in your property then even if they did allow it anything would be for the poisonous tree after that even whatever he saw because you specifically told them they were not allowed to. Give people get to give people access yes, I mean that's where we're at. And I'm going to have that right yeah, yeah, that's definitely. Now The next thing is that, yes, you weren't currently working on the bathroom. It existed before, but there were no permits for the bathroom, I'm assuming. The shower. Yeah, sorry, the cedar shower. Yeah, I was speaking a little bit too generally. So once again, yeah, and even a prior owner could have put in that shower. We're not saying who put in the shower, but work was being done. You're saying it wasn't that, but something that was unpermitted got found. Right, so you had to undo the shower and yeah, that also not great. I'm guessing, do we have a time period in which you took out the shower? Because that's the most critical date is what I'm looking for.

The shower was removed early 2019.

Do you have anything that would show me that date? Because basically what I'm saying is then we can adjust and start talking about a complied date of 2019 instead of 2025, right? Yeah.

So we can talk about a more reasonable number. I would have to try to find photos. I've dug like crazy for these, the ones with the dogs in the background.

But you didn't have anyone from code enforcement or building come and take?

Travis Kendall came and he even walked in and took a look at everything. Who's Travis? I don't know.

He was our previous planning and zoning director. Yeah.

Okay. So he came by, looked at it. And it was a simple removal.

Just take the cedar off the wall?

No, it wasn't even on the wall. It was in the ground. Too little, if you can see the columns there.

It's just a little privacy.

Oh, an outdoor. Okay, I haven't seen those photos. They're not in my packet. So you did an outdoor shower?

Yes. There was an outdoor shower. Yeah. Faucet was tied in through the washer dryer lines that have been there forever.

Okay, so those which were outdoor washer and dryer lines Yeah, just ran like a hose. Yep, and then okay and you built a knee wall That is accurate All right Mike would you What when in 2019 very early because this happened 2018 uh i think the complaint came in in february and then all this started in april maybe wow yeah so it's uh well we have it in march of 2018 is when it came in and your final compliance was october of 2018 so you're saying that you complied What month in 2019?

Easily January if not into 18. Just going back on memory. All right.

Well, let's say February of 2019. Are you comfortable with that? Sure. Okay. All right. So now we're just talking the math for March of 2018 to let's call it March of 2019 just to make 12 months round number.

12 months, yeah.

Okay. What was the daily fine? Was it 50? It looks like it was 50. Okay. That was pretty nice, too, for unauthorized construction.

Well, again, he does...

It was also 2018. Yeah, correct. Daily? 50 daily? Yes. Okay. Somebody want to do that, Mal?

How many months? 12 months. I get $18,000.

We can round it down. $18,000 is nice. Okay, so now we're talking about a fine amount of $18,000. So now we'll adjust that and we'll talk about that when it comes time to do the offer and all that. Which is more reasonable than $124,350. Thank you. Yes. Quite a bit. All right. So give me a second. I didn't get through all this yet. Just give me a second. If you have anything you'd like to add while we're...

No, I mean, I know the in fact, I got it from a newsletter, the anonymous complaints statute.

That's recent. That's going to that's going to happen after the 2018. Yeah, that changed in Senate Bill 60.

It's Senate Bill 60.

Yeah, but what year? It was 2020-something.

It's 2018, maybe?

No, it was after the pandemic. Yeah, it was actually during COVID because everybody started anonymously complaining against each other. It's because they were spending more time at home.

Sorry, COVID really hit my memory.

Still got memory problems? Uh-oh. A little bit. So while you're doing that, I have a couple questions.

So this all stemmed from you hiring a contractor to put awnings on your house, from what I've gleaned over, to put awnings on your house, and then something went south, you don't need to go into it, something went south, and you, or he, or they, stepped back, paused, and then someone wasn't happy, and then they came and said, oh, you know what? I'm gonna call on Mr. Heatley. to say that he's got a shower or whatever.

They didn't even say that. It was his wife that said, loud banging. Loud construction, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The name of the company, Sunshield Awnings, was looking to hire him.

And the officer that came out was Mike that came out.

I was never at home when Mike came.

Okay, so Mike originally came out. Back in 2018, okay. Yeah.

Interesting. Correct.

They never delivered any materials and I did a charge back. It was after they were supposed to deliver in four weeks. I gave them until week seven, week eight, nothing week nine. I called Amex and I'm guessing two months later this pops up.

And then Mike showed up because of the way the house is set up.

Well, yeah, I mean, you know, it's just, correct.

Correct.

Yeah.

Okay. All right. Not doing the shower.

Just got to be clear.

Mike, do you have anything else you'd like to add?

Yeah, it is. And it's my private backyard. He's doing his job. I get that. But the way it happened, I'm getting worked up again just talking about it. It's just infuriating. No one here wants that to happen.

Okay. Well, staff is... Agreed to set the complied date to, let's say, the end of February of 2019? 2019. Okay. We're just going to make it a nice round number of $18,000 on the $50 a day?

Did you say February of 19? That's not $18,000.

That's end of February of 2019.

OK, but I thought you said 12 months. OK. Yeah, 12 months. That is 12 months.

Yeah, this is from March 2018. That was the original day.

Oh, I'm looking at this. OK. Deadline. That's the deadline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Then 18 is 12 months.

Round it off. Round it down. 30-day months. OK. All right. So do we have any other discussion from the board?

I just have one question.

Sure.

Did you go to any of the hearings for the violation?

No, that's when I was in communication with Travis a lot. We were opening up a business here. He was trying to help with both items.

Were you advised not to attend your first hearing or second hearing?

That's when I have a bunch of back and forth with Alice Birch, Sean, not Matt Glenn, Sean. I've got to remember the names. A lot of people that were on the council at the time, because in my mind I was going, this isn't right. How am I even going to have to attend anything when this was something completely different? And I thought out of principle, let me try to take a different route. Learning that's a mistake.

So the next question is, why did it take 12 months for you to comply?

Because I was, in my mind, fighting and going, you can't come into my property, A. B, it's a fake complaint. C, this has been here for, you know, three years.

Understandable. Okay. Thank you. Well, at some point you had a discussion with Mike or somebody because they gave you extensions because it wouldn't have been for October from a March complaint.

No, I don't believe Mike and I spoke until this year. Most likely. Yep, yep. That's it. 100%. 100%. Okay, yeah, maybe that's what it was. He tried to give you as much time as he could.

Just trying to figure out. No, I understand.

I understand.

All right. You have anything else you want to add before?

I don't know how this works, so.

So, what we're going to do is we're going to, Go over the numbers again, your current amount proposed, and then I'm going to ask you if you want to change because we're only going to vote. We only vote on one case at one day. So if you want to change your number up or down, and then we'll vote on that. And if it passes or fails, and if it fails, you got to come again on another day. If it passes, then you have whatever amount of time we agreed to to get with the clerk.

So I give a number first. You guys say yes or no.

You would counter? Well, I'm going to read your number, which you already gave us. I'm going to say, is that your best and final number? I mean, is that the one you want to vote on? No. And then you're going to give me a new number or not, and then we'll vote from there. All right? So let's do that. Let's do that now. We'll cover that. I'm trying to give you the best sound I can give you, even though everybody says I'm too loud. All right, so we have no further discussion. So case 31817466, Mr. Headley, 20 Northwest 93rd Street. The fine amount is $124,350. Amount proposed is $12.35. Is that your best and final offer? Actually, we're changing, we're amending the fine amount to $18,000. So the fine amount is $18,000. The amount proposed is $12.35. Is that your best and final offer?

No. Okay. I'll go after hearing you guys understanding stuff. Can I submit $1,200?

$1,200?

Okay. Try to make it a 10% of that original.

All right. We have a fine amount of $18,000. The offer is $1,200. That's your best and final offer. How long would you need to pay? I'll pay you today if you accept. 30 days?

Okay.

All right. Do I have a motion?

Yes.

And that motion is?

Oh, sorry. To accept. It's like my first day. I move to accept.

Yes. He's always dressed to the nines. Love it. Do I have a second?

Second.

All right, we have a second. Do we have any further discussion?

Mr. Hahn, would you consider amending your motion to 1800? Due in 30 days? Yes. Is that a yes? Yes.

I said yes.

Are you willing to second that? Yeah.

OK. OK. Let's amend that to 60 days.

Yes. I agree with that. Yes.

All right. We're going to vote on this because we changed your offer. You don't have to accept it, but if it passes, you'll have 60 days to pay the $1,800. If you don't want to pay the $1,800 and you want to come back to a meeting again, you're free to come back to a meeting again. You don't have to pay it if the motion carries. All right. All right, Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Mr. Canciano?

Yes.

Mr. Pearl?

Yes.

Mr. Hahn? Yes. Chair Huber?

Yes. All right. So the motion carried, which was paying $1,800 within 60 days. So if you decide to accept it within 60 days, pay it, and everything will go on its own. If you want to come back next month and try for it.

I'm done.

I accept. If I may. Go ahead. So I was moved by the fact that you did all this work. Thank you. Because I know it's a pain in the caboose. To his point, I mean, it was well done. To his point, my question that he asked was, why did it take so long? And that's usually my answer. The biggest concern sitting here is why did it take so long? When the smoke started to build, why did you wait for the fire to ignite? You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of my thing.

He's a man after my own heart. I get it. I get it. I get it.

But understand that they moving it up to actual 10% is why I was the first to go, you know what? But I understand. And I understand why you went to the village council because you were like, WTH, what the heck is going on here? So I just want to put that on the record. So I appreciate you doing the work. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Mr. Healy, you received that paper regarding requests for reliefs?

Yes.

Okay. Thank you so very much.

Is it something new?

Yes.

All right. Thank you again. Well, we put one in record, but if you want any of them back, yeah, we'll take care of it. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Clerk, do we have anyone else? All right.

Next, we'll see Orlando Crespo for 9600 North Miami Ave. All right.

If you would approach the podium and state your name and address for the record.

My name is Orlando Crespo, and my address is 9600 North Miami Avenue. All right.

Thank you very much. All right. all right so we are here for 9600 north miami avenue case uh 1131 2019 unsightly house exterior find them out 40 438 000 case 411 8414 non-dwelling structure and fences amount of 258 600 Case 7118777, grass and landscaping, fine amount of $254,050. Case 0424250, failure to maintain sidewalk and trees and branches, fine amount of $26,500. Case 7118778, failure to maintain sidewalk, fine amount of $254,050. Case 4118413, diseased or dead trees, fine amount of $258,600 for a fine amount total of $1,489,800. The amount proposed is $10,000. Please explain why we should accept your offer.

Last time I offered just $5,000. I think that it's more reasonable to double the offer. Today I could pay $4,000 and the rest in less than 90 days or before 90 days, the $6,000 remaining. I'm not here to change my statement. I sustain my statement, and I know that it was my fault not to comply, but I'm trying to do the best now, and I comply with all the fails that I have in my list already.

All right. Is this your zone, Mike? It is yours? Do you have anything you want to add?

No, his statement the last time was accurate. He's just humbly asking to accept this offer that he practically doubled. He just added a new statement.

Yeah, but the current state of the property?

Oh, it's fine. No, he's behaving.

But no, yeah, so no trouble?

No, not at all. Again, the issue stemmed from his career. He was always working. He was out of the country for his mother, I believe, right? And also out of state doing first responder work, yeah.

Okay. The property are you currently refinancing or is it for sale?

It's probably for sale. Yes for sale. Okay, I'm having some problems doing my help and it's time.

Okay, and How much have you listed it for?

Right now. I haven't listed yet.

Okay.

I'm just really considerate because my personal help is Okay All right, do we have any comments or questions from the board?

Just one question. Mr. Crespo, how long would it take you? I think you mentioned you'd pay some now and some more.

Yeah, $4,000 now in less than 90 days.

Yeah, so we would just do 90 days.

You think you could get the whole thing paid within 90 days?

Yes.

OK. All right. Any other questions or comments?

All right, do you have anything else you'd like to add?

All right, so we have a fine amount of $1,489,800. The amount proposed is $10,000. Is that your best and final offer? Yes. And how long would you need to pay?

In less than 90 days. Today I will pay $4,000. Would 120 days be better?

Yes. Okay. Perfect. So the offer is $10,000 payable in 120 days. Do we have a motion?

Yes.

All right, Barry.

Mr. Chair, I move that upon receipt of $10,000 within 120 days that the lien on this property be released.

All right. Do I have a motion? I mean a second. Sorry. I second. All right. We got a second over here. Who was first though? I'll let Emily decide that one.

I'm going to put Jesse, Mr. Hahn.

All right. And then call roll.

Mr. Canciano? Yes. Mr. Perot? Yes. Chair Huber? Yes. Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Mr. Hahn?

Yes.

Thank you.

All right. The motion is carried. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Thank you. All right. Madam Clerk, do we have anyone else present for request for verdict? Yes.

Miguel Antoni for 8-9 Northeast, 106th.

If you would state your name and address for the record.

Hi, how are you? My name is Miguel Antoni. The address is 89 Northeast 163.

Yeah, your address, though?

89 Northeast?

No, that's the property address.

My address is 1925 Brickell Avenue, Miami, Florida, 33129.

Perfect, thank you. All right, and you are an officer of C&D Investments?

Yeah, I'm the owner.

Okay, perfect. So we're here for case 112-9435, unsightly house, non-dwelling structures, fine amount of $657,600. Case 112-9436, electrical wiring and devices, fine amount $219,200. Case 1016-1595-985, watertight structures, a fine amount of $129,600. I don't have a grand total there.

It's a lot of money.

Yeah, just shy of a million, I think. The amount proposed is $7,500. Please explain why we should accept your offer.

Okay. I bought this house, actually I came here like a month ago. I bought this house in 2019. I bought this house actually with violations of what I remember is like $600,000. And I had a meeting here with Lazaro Rendon in 2019. and I got an agreement with him to pay an amount to take out these violations and to do the renovation of the house. Actually, I paid $38,500 on 2019 to the city. And I supposed to make the renovation of the house, but I didn't make it because the reason COVID came and I was in different situations. I couldn't do the house after two years of COVID. I came again to the city, I got the, I submitted the renovation, the plans to do the renovation of the house, and actually had a meeting with Ismael and Lazaro, and they told me, look at the situation of Miami Shores, it's growing up, I say to Ismael, I want to move to Miami Shore because I love Miami Shore. He told me, do the situation of Miami Shore and try to think if you want to do a new construction house because you have a good land. And I took this decision on 2021 and I submitted the permits to their department. I passed to get the permits of their department. I passed like, I don't know, before I came, to Sunningham Planning to propose, to give my proposal. They accept my proposal. After that, I spent one year in Durham. After that, the permits of Miami Shore and actually my house is almost done. It's a new construction house. Mike knows which is the house. My name here because I came months ago and some, the, you didn't accept my offer, and somebody told me, we don't know if you are going to do the house. And that's the reason that I'm here again, because the house is 90% done. I want to solve the problem, actually.

Thank you. Yeah, so I remember this. But did you have a lawyer involved with the reasonable accommodation?

No, because I want to solve it. I came to the city just by myself.

Yes, and that's the thing with the reasonable accommodation is it has a set period of time to complete. And then everything gets reset if you don't do that. So that's obviously why we're back here again.

Yeah, we discussed that the 38 was already forfeit.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's, that's gone.

Um, quick question for staff. Oh, four Oh five, 2024. That was the demo date of the original structure. Is that what brought them?

Yeah, I was just going to remind the board about the reasonable accommodation, but you got it. So it was easier to just download the property and come into compliance, and that's what he did.

The current house, this is the house that you're moving into, or is the house going to be for sale or for rent?

No, it's for me. Actually, I'm going to get married. I have a kid, three years old. That's my plan.

All right. And then this says there wasn't a previous request. There was.

Okay.

Oh, that's just based off, like, my personal records. That's my error. Apologies. Okay.

No worries.

All right. Although we feel like the totals are different this time.

Well, I think because before, I think it ran all the way until the meeting, and then we had it chopped down to when the house was demolished. That's why it's almost half. Okay.

Yeah. It was a significant number.

Yeah, yeah. All right. Any other questions or comments?

I have a question. Go ahead, Barry. I don't know if you have an answer. Mike, the original agreement, the accommodation. Yes. When was that supposed to have been finished?

Do you know? Yeah, I can answer you. I don't remember exactly, but they gave me like one year and a half to make the renovations. And actually, I made a mistake because I didn't saw the agreement. It wasn't my mistake. It wasn't Lázaro's mistake. I didn't saw the time.

Okay, well, let's just assume it was two years, and he bought the house in, when in 2019? 2019.

Yeah, he bought it in 2019.

Which month, give or take? End of the year, May. So let's call it the middle, so that would have got to May of 2021.

It says here that the disagreement is made and entered into this fourth day of April 2019.

Yeah, I mean, he said May. Yeah, of course not.

I have another question for staff, actually. Can you speak to whether or not all of the fees that the village incurred maintaining that property for the four years it was left vacant and decaying have been paid by?

Not accurately, but I can tell you that Public Works did go out there several times, and those are special assessment fines that finance can help us with that amount.

Well, yeah, I mean yeah, he leans if they were set they would be separate means anyway that he there's no request for relief Correct.

Yeah some clarity. I just want to get some clarity you bought you purchased house in 2019. Yes, so that the 2012 original compliance that line was or you know those are from those are those were the existing yeah that's what I'm trying to get from the and then the House said dormant for 4 years prior to his purchase no no after the post purchase Oh, post-purchase.

I made the demolition four years after because I was supposed to do the renovation of the house. And then COVID hit.

Now I understand.

And the original reasonable accommodation was, let's call it two years, to renovate the house.

Actually, I got a renovation drawing approved from the building. And I didn't start the house because... Because of COVID. No. And took the decision to do the demolition.

The process, the building process is what took time.

That's what took time. Yes, sir. Thank you.

Okay. That makes sense.

Yeah.

A nuisance. There was no longer renovatable.

Correct. Got it.

Got it. Got it.

Correct. All right. Jason.

Yeah. Okay.

All right. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Okay. So as Emily did the math for me, we have a fine amount of $1,006,400. The offer amount proposed is $7,500. Is that your best and final offer?

Yes.

Okay. And how long would you need to pay?

30 days.

30 days. Okay. 1,006,400. So just a million dollars.

Okay.

If you want to do easy math. Do we have any discussion from the board? Do we have a motion?

He did. He already answered.

Oh, that is $7,500 payable in 30 days. Okay. Do I have a motion?

You know what? I hope people don't think I'm getting soft here, but this man bought a house that was in disrepair, paid $38,500 for the privilege, a little late, wants to give us another $7,500 to take a house. Well, he doesn't want to. To take a house that was an eyesore in the neighborhood and build a nice new house, I'm inclined to accept his offer. So I move that upon receipt of $7,500 within how long did you say you needed? 30 days. 30 days? Yep. That the lien be released.

All right. Do I have a second? I second. Oh, okay. All right. We have a second. Any further discussion? No? All right. Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Yes.

Mr. Pearl. Yes. Mr. Rodriguez.

I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say yes based on his explanation.

Chair Huber.

Yes.

Mr. Cangiano.

All right. Thank you very much. Just don't let the 30 days because

Hi, you got a paper regarding request for relief at the start of the meeting? You received a document at the start of the meeting? Thank you. That's going to be your best friend.

All right, do we have do we have any We got five people work we have enough to do that do we have any other we supposed to elect Chairman tonight, or are we gonna pass?

Because there's two people missing

We did kick the can down the road Mainly because everybody there was only two or three of us that were on the board before so now now we have at least How many how many people were in attendance in the last meeting well minus one so it was just one other person missing so that's not bad That's pretty good. All right

I say we... Can we do our meeting minutes first, please? Certainly. Thank you.

If you had more than one, I would be all over it.

Okay, I would like to state for the record, when I started this position, we were more than six meeting minutes behind. I started doing meeting minutes in February. So the fact that we're just a couple months behind, someone give this girl a pat on her back. Thank you.

request that staff give miss Emily a pat on the back yeah so let's do let's do Emily's meeting minutes do let's we have May's has everyone had a chance to review them yes yes all right so everybody is informed do I have a motion to accept the minutes for May I move we accept all right do I have a second All right. All in favor say aye. All opposed say nay. Aye. The ayes have it. The meeting minutes have passed. The next item on the agenda is to do the board elections. I move that we do the board elections in this meeting. Do I have a second? I second it. All right. Everybody in favor say aye. Aye. Ayes have it. Thank you very much. Do we have any suggestions? Suggestions? Yeah. Nominations?

Nominations would be the word that I would use. I think that Mr. Huber is doing a great job and that he should continue to be our chairman for another year.

I appreciate that very much. Thank you. I second. Okay. All right. Do we have any other nominations? I accept the nomination. I'm sorry. Who's second?

What's that one?

Yes. All right. All in favor, say aye. All opposed, say nay. Aye. It is unanimous. Do we have a motion for vice chair? I move for Barry. Barry Pearl. All right. So Mr. Hahn moved for Barry, and we have a second. So you're going to call the roll? You ready? We're going to all in favor, say aye. All opposed, say nay. Aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes have it. Mr. Pearl, thank you very much for Helping us out again as vice chair. I appreciate it. Just make sure you're here most of the time. I have only missed two meetings in 12 years, something like that. All right. Do we have any other discussion? I do.

I also do.

All right. chair please go first so I would like to ask staff about the reasonable accommodation on a hundred third Street and how we're proceeding along because I know but there is activity but I can give you facts once I talk to the attorney Would you... He ran out of here as soon as you said yes and talked to the attorney.

In a real hurry.

If you want to come back in the next meeting, that's fine. I just wanted to... More information. I'm just concerned that we need to reiterate to the people that... the house had to be brought into compliance and remain in compliance for the period of time, the reasonable accommodation. And I'm just concerned that it isn't. That's obviously up to staff, but, you know, I don't want to see that fail. You know, it's the first board only reasonable accommodation. So, you know, we have a vested interest in it.

I'm a little concerned myself because One of the pending issues I think that should have been addressed immediately was the leaning wall along the alleyway.

Yeah, that was definitely discussed during the reasonable accommodation. And at least the root times. So I would say it's up to staff to talk and decide whether or not he goes by the rule of law in the reasonable accommodation, which was specifically written to make sure that was addressed presently. And then go from there. All right. Thank you. Valid point.

Emily you had something you wanted to discuss with us hi yes actually you asked me a question earlier in the meeting and we stayed that we'd speak about it after it's regarding the document that I passed out to all the requests for reliefs so an issue we've been having is people trying to pay for the release after the granted timeframe, as well as there is something else. Oh yes, not giving us enough time to get their paperwork done. So they would come in the very next day and then be upset that we're not ready to handle them.

I think we usually cover that for the people that are desperate. We do. Even me signing the paper, I've offered to come in the next day, but that still pushes you to Monday or Tuesday of the following week at the very, very earliest.

for the estoppel letter so and you've codified this in this document that you're passing exactly but they also get it in their relief orders that we send out to them saying their offer was accepted so i figured maybe if they had something to take home as well i don't know how much more we could inform them and what i also did was i went back and i called past attendees that got denied to see if they wanted a schedule to also to come back i've been trying to notify people that they had their time frames are basically running out. But I'm not going to be able to do that for every single person, every single time, every single meeting. But I'm trying.

And your hands are tied. Once the time period is expired, your hands are tied. Exactly. So there's nothing you can do. They have to reappear.

We will have some reappearing in October for sure.

Mr. Hill, the question I have is can we codify via our rules that they cannot approach the town for payment until a certain date like after the meeting so we would say that the first available approach it would be the Monday following the meeting or something like that can we make that part of the rules and regulations or is that something that would have to go through the town council Well, I think it would be beneficial to staff to have a date locked, like that the board had voted on it and said that, you know, while we might accept your proposal on Thursday, you can't pay on Friday. Like, we're going to say that the following business day, Tuesday, is the first available day for paying.

I would say as a matter of policy that you, you know, someone make a motion for a resolution directing the city attorney to, the village attorney to...

investigate it exactly how to yeah because i don't want to put staff in a position where we say you can't do it until wednesday they have a backlog someone shows up on wednesday and now we're having another issue because it's not ready so it's either going to be a window

Well, yeah, the window is their end, but in theory it would be the next business day, but we can't have them ready the next business day. She has to work up a document. It has to come to the chair or the vice chair, whoever was doing the meeting. They have to sign that and return it.

It's pretty tough to put an exact date minimum as well. If you say next Wednesday, then if anything happens...

Yeah, but we typically explain this to people during the meeting, and then they show up anyway, which is, yeah. I mean, if you're fine with just the paper, I mean, the board is fine with your judgment on the paper, you know, and then... But I think it would be protections for staff that they had at least the minimum. You know what I mean? That way they can't blame Emily for saying, oh, you handed out the paper.

This is a worthless piece of paper. I don't disagree at all. I'm just concerned about the opposite situation. There is a delay, and then we have even more contentious behavior as a result of that. Why not just make an announcement to say part of the opening script I

No, when we do the offers and compromise, say, please remember that it will take the village a few days to get the paperwork processed. You it may not be ready for three or four business days, you know And if you don't like it, maybe you shouldn't have done the violation in the first place Well, I I think we already kind of do that We do kind of normally when people are obviously like antsy to do it.

We're kind of work with that but Yeah, I think we can do that. We can change that and be more specific.

By the way, we'd like to remind you that government works slowly because they leave as their cases are over.

Yeah, they're out. So the other thing is possibly request contact information, and then that way Emily can contact them when she's ready, and we can approach it that way.

Or how about when we tell them the thing about, you know, you're only allowed to make one offer per meeting. If we don't accept your offer, then you have to come back at another meeting and make a better offer. And by the way, if we do accept your offer, please realize that it takes the village so many days to get the paperwork. And you're never going to make everybody happy.

Would you be open to that to get the contact information and just to notify them when you're ready for their meeting?

Absolutely. Okay.

So I think that's the way to do it, right? To tell them that Emily will give her your contact information. She'll notify you when it's ready.

I can make it a part of the sign-in sheet.

And we can always accommodate. If the person's like, oh, the closing's tomorrow, we can accommodate that. It's not great. you know she can have the paper ready and i've stopped by in the morning the next day to sign these things so you know we can adjust it by that but i guess you see how i feel that people who need to have a closing tomorrow they should have been here last month yeah well sometimes they were and we didn't take their number and that might be there so i'm in agreement with this i like this point okay okay as far as the people who missed the deadline

That's a different animal. And you know what? Again, I think that's fairly well established. When you say you have 90 days or 120 days, just tell them, say that the offer expired. You're going to have to come to the next meeting and ask again.

I have. I've been dealing with a lot of angry individuals regarding that.

All right. I don't think we need a motion for that. No. Okay. I think staff's happy with that, too. All right. Do we have any other discussion points or anything else? Do I have a motion to adjourn? I move we adjourn.

Do I have a second?

All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes have it.