Code Enforcement Board - Regular Meeting

I certainly can. Good evening, everyone. Today is Thursday, June 5th, 2025. My name is Marlon Hill. I am the attorney representing the Code Enforcement Board here this evening in the village of Miami Shores. I'm presided by Chair Huber. The board members present this evening are all volunteers, residents of Miami Shores, and also your neighbors. THE BOARD IS CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THE CODE AND ARE INTERESTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. YOU CAN CHECK A COPY OF THE CODE. IT'S AVAILABLE AT THE VILLAGE'S WEBSITE. IF YOU'RE NEW HERE TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD MEETING, THE VILLAGE STAFF IS REPRESENTED TO MY LEFT BY MR. MICHAEL ORDA. IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND, YOU GET TO KNOW HIM VERY WELL, OUR DIRECTOR, MS. EMILY SMITH. If you haven't checked in with her, please make sure that you have signed in for today's hearing. The staff will be presenting. Mr. Louie is also here. He's on one of the code enforcement staff members as well. And they'll be presenting all cases of violation hearings and requests for relief, et cetera. As Ms. Smith said, please place all your devices on vibrate so that we can proceed efficiently for this meeting. JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CASES THAT COULD BE HEARD FOR THIS MEETING HERE TODAY. THERE ARE BASICALLY THREE TYPES OF HEARINGS. YOU HAVE THE FIRST HEARING FOR VIOLATION, PENALTY HEARING, AND A REQUEST FOR RELIEF. CHAIR HUBER WILL RECOGNIZE EACH OF THESE CASES ON THE AGENDA AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROTOCOL, WHICH I WON'T bore you with the details here, but we will take each step by step through each types of these hearings. If you have any questions while the agenda is being conducted, you can ask any questions of the clerk or the staff and we can step outside and answer any questions that you may have about your particular case on the agenda. If you're going to be testifying this evening, I'm going to just ask you now if you could just stand and raise your right hands or sit if you're unable. You're going to be testifying. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Only two people testifying? Anyone in the front testify? Yeah. You've testified. Yeah. All right. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF YOUR CASE, YOU'RE GOING TO TESTIFY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS. YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHAIR HOOVER, OVER TO YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THIS EVENING'S CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD HEARING. THIS BOARD IS EMPOWERED TO HEAR EVIDENCE IN ORDER TO REACH FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF THE LAW FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESOLVING CASES THAT COME BEFORE IT. A FINDING OF A VIOLATION IN ANY CASE MAY Before us may lead to cost being assessed in the daily fine being levied for violations of the villagers code of ordinance the board is always interested in comments or statements that will help us make a Determination in each case and we are always interested in compliance rather than living fines if you have not already done So please come forward and give your name to the clerk so that we may know you're here if there's no objection We will consider at one time all cases involving the same piece of property Madam clerk, would you call roll?

Mr. Kanjiano Mr. Rodriguez? Here. Mr. Vickers?

Yes.

Mr. Russell? Mr. Pearl? Mr. Han?

Here.

Chair Huber?

Present, thank you very much. All right, Madam Clerk, is anyone present for first hearing?

No, sir.

At this time, Chair observes that there have been no appearance by anyone on behalf of the alleged violators in connection with the case numbers 02-2532, 04-25102, 04-2579, 042594, 042596, 0525104, 0525116, 0525122, 0524295, and code 0923333. Mr. Director, do the case files on all these matters contain affidavits attesting to the existence of the code violations alleged and demonstrating proper notice to the alleged violators of tonight's hearing?

They do, Mr. Chair.

All right. At this time, I'll entertain a motion for summary adjudication.

I move for summary adjudication of all such cases to include a finding of fact in conclusion of law that the violation exists as charged in the respective notice of violations issued. In each case, the offending party shall correct the violation within the time period specified by staff in the staff recommendations for these hearings and immediately notify the code enforcement officer when the property is brought into compliance. In each such case, if the violation is not brought into compliance within such time period, the Code Enforcement Officer may report this fact back to the Board in accordance with the Board's rules and regulations, at which time a fine is hereby authorized to be automatically assessed against the violator. In respect of daily amounts specified in the staff's recommendation for tonight's hearing, retroact the original compliance deadline, which will constitute a lien on the property of the violator. Further, with respect to each such case, costs in the amounts specified in staff's recommendations for tonight's hearings are hereby assessed in order to recoup the village's expenses in prosecuting the violations to date.

All right, motion by Mr. Hondo.

Mr. Hahn? Yes. Mr. Vickers?

Yes.

Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Mr. Congiano?

Yes.

Chair Huber?

Yes. All right, thank you very much. Also in tonight's agenda, as a matter of staff's request for orders imposing previously adjudicated fines as a penalty for lack of timely compliance with the board's prior orders. Madam Clerk, is anyone present for enforcement orders?

No, Chair.

All right, so we have case zero. zero one two five one four zero three two five four eight and zoning case it looks like zero three two five five seven mr director do the files and all these penalty cases contain an appropriate affidavit demonstrating in each such case that the violations referenced in your request continue to exist subsequent to the date once they were to be corrected in accordance with the previous orders of this board and that to date no one has contacted neighborhood services to advise that

They do, and they have not.

I will now entertain a motion to impose fines.

I move that in each case currently remaining on the penalty document for tonight's hearing, each respective violator be ordered to pay the daily fine previously adjudicated and unauthorized to be imposed against them by prior order of the board, retroactive from the day the violation was to have been corrected, that upon recording, the board's order in this regard will constitute a lien on the property of the violator.

Do I have a motion?

Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Mr. Hahn?

Yes.

Mr. Vickers? Yes. Mr. Canciano? Yes. Chair Huber?

Yes. All right. Thank you very much. Madam Clerk, is anyone present for request for relief?

Yes. First up would be the Romulus for 201 Northwest 91st Street.

If you would approach the podium there and just give me one second to get everybody We are here for 201 Northwest 91st Street, case 911-8992, unsightly house exterior. Depreciation of surrounding property paint on exterior, fine amount $12,350. Case 3-129674, permits application generally, rear chain link installed with no permit on file, $98,000. Grand total is $110,350. Please state your name and address for the record.

201 Northwest, 91st Street, Miami Shoes, Florida.

Okay, and your name?

LVN. Okay.

All right, so please explain why we should accept your offer of $2,000.

Well, what she was saying is that she came here numerous times trying to pay, and she was trying to, I think it was a language barrier between her and the clerk that you have up front, that she was trying to contact someone to pay the fine. She was trying, actually, what she said was she was trying to get it financed, because she understands that she violated and she has to pay. But what, with the violation, It was a language barrier that she was trying to, they told her that she couldn't finance here, and she had to call a number, and she called that number, and no one ever answered that number. And she, it just kept going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and to escalate it to this huge amount. That's why I just, I'm just finding out about this, so that's why I'm coming to hand like smush the language barrier because I can translate to her okay much easier and what you guys speaking to me I can speak to her and then she'll speak to me and I'll speak to you guys all right and what's your name sir my name is Romy Amartil okay and your address my address is 1942 players place North Lauderdale okay perfect thing and your relation to uh Miss Romulus that's my aunt your aunt okay perfect thank you um

The, what, are you trying to refinance?

No.

No? What's the, are you, is the house for sale?

No.

Okay. The reason for coming before us today is to just get this done and over with? Yes. Okay. Does anyone have any questions? Go ahead, Bob.

So, I think there's a lot of confusion.

They tell me that the first thing I have to do is pay the bill before I solve the problem. There's a lot of confusion. They tell me that the first thing I have to do is pay the bill before I solve the problem. What she said was she'd been trying to resolve this issue since 2018. She came here and spoke to someone about it.

And they gave her a number, and she called. And like I said, that's where the confusion came in. It's not that she didn't try to pay, but it's, like I said, the confusion with the language barrier.

All right. Yeah, I think there's a little confusion, because in 2018, the fine had stopped growing. So it hasn't been growing since 2018. Right. So the question Mr. Vickers had is you the permit and the chain link fence happened in 2012 and it took till 2018 to resolve it.

She I think Mr.

Chair. Yes, I'm sorry if I may. She's explaining about a garbage bill or garbage lien rather that she has and I've been trying to explain to her that that's a totally separate issue this is a code issue not a garbage bill issue but she's she can't seem to understand that she can't separate the two that's why she's she's explaining to you about about that okay but so if you can just Go beyond that and just focus on the code portion of the hearing.

So what has happened here is in April of 2012, she got a notice of violation for the unsightly house. It looks like the exterior of the house needed to be repainted. It looks like that went for eight months before it was resolved. AND THEN THE OTHER WAS THAT SHE PUT A CHAINLINK FENCE IN IN SEPTEMBER OF 2012 AND IT TOOK FIVE AND A HALF YEARS TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.

MR. CHAIR, AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE BARRIER CARRIED THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE.

YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.

In 2003, I had a family problem and my husband left me. So the life is not easy for me. For I keep in the house, you know, I got so many in shoe. So it's not easy for me. Because my husband is laughing me and divorce me with the four children. So it's by myself to do everything in the house. So when I come in the mornings, you know, it's not easy. The life is not easy for me. That's the problem. So when I come in here, I want to make the negotiation with the village to fix the thing. Every time when I come in, they just make me confused. When I come in to pay the garbage bill, they tell me, oh, it's not here. to make the bill, no finance here. They give me the number. I keep on calling, calling, calling. They tell me I'm supposed to finish pay the garbage bill first because the result, the result, they love the problem and the case. So they make me, the village make me in confusion, not because I want to take too long to resolve it.

You're speaking awesome for fantastic. So I think the burden of putting it on the village not communicating or you not understanding, that's not on the village's burden. That's your burden. And again, the trash is not in front of us. It's six years to resolve a chain link fence. This gentleman, how long have you known this gentleman?

All my life.

All life. When did you decide to bring him into this? So I mean, again, these kind of things just don't go away. So again, the chain link fence took six years to resolve. I guess it was getting a permit to close it out. It was done without a permit.

Was it done without a permit? Eventually it was.

Eventually it was. Eventually it was done. But at first it was done without reporting. According to the documentation for six years. I'm guessing you pulled an owner from it. That's the biggest number of the whole thing here of the fine.

Yeah, that's what they told me.

I think there was probably some confusion there because you have to pay the administrative fee before you can do the request for relief. That's probably she was probably getting told these two things and conflated them together. That would be my guess, because that's what they're going to tell you. Each one of these cases, so it would have been two $50 fines that you have to pay first, and then you can apply the paperwork, right? So she's obviously now paid these two $50 administrative fees, and that just covers the mail and all that they have to send, the notices and the certified mail. So now we're down to the, you know, and somebody went and re-inspected on 2018, because if not, this would have still been chugging along. So some... Somehow this got turned around at some point at least and if we're not at like I mean by now it would be over Mike do you have anything to add about the property current state any other issues

No, actually our relationship has always been cordial. Okay, just language difficulties. Yeah, you know, and simple maintenance, you know, with shrubbery and debris in the alley, but she'll take care of it immediately.

Okay, so this is your case?

Yes, sir.

The painting was your case too?

Yeah, they're both my cases, yes.

Okay, so just because that one's more reasonable. When you gave her the notice of violation, it looks like eight months, whatever, Were you in contact with her after April and still cajoling her, or did she just paint the house?

Well, you know, unfortunately, I can't remember. Getting old sucks. But there was, I guess, a gap when I didn't hear from her, and I had to draw the line somewhere. Yeah, yeah.

No, but I'm saying during that period, after you drew the line, do you think there was any, no, I'm just trying to figure out if she...

What I could say, she's by herself and she's done a pretty good job, I mean, for the most part, considering her situation.

Everybody needs a roof clean once in a while. Yeah, yeah. Long goes an extra week.

Right, but to answer your question accurately, I can't do that.

Okay. All right, and and the house isn't you're not refinancing you're not and you live in the house. Yes All right, does anyone else have any questions All right hearing no other questions the Fine amount is $110,350. The amount proposed is $2,000. Is that your best and final offer? Yes. OK. And how long would you need to pay?

About two, three weeks.

OK. It's 30 days? 30 days is fine, sir. OK. All right. The amount proposed is $2,000, payable in 30 days. Do I have a motion?

Mr. Chair, I move we accept.

All right, do I have a second? I'll second it. All right, Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Mr. Congigliano?

Yes.

Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Mr. Vickers?

Yes.

Mr. Hahn?

Yes.

Chair Huber?

Yes. All right. Thank you very much. So just get with the clerk and make sure you pay it within the 30 days. If not, it'll become a whole, the whole thing come back and we'll have to start all over again.

Okay.

Now, once we rectify this, how do we rectify the other problem that she has? Who do I, where does she go to get that?

The garbage lien. Can you make a recommendation of who she needs to talk to? Public works. Public works. Yeah, and they have to go to their office out.

I could say that she's been shifted around pretty much. Okay. So I couldn't tell you exactly who because that's not in my wheelhouse, but public works would be a good start. I know that Maggie and the other employee there that works in the administrative office, they've been in contact with her because I made that happen for them. So I don't know what happened with that conversation, but I'll revisit it. And I gave him my number. Okay. And we'll be in contact, and hopefully we can resolve this for her because that's, she's been pretty. Yeah, I would definitely say.

Maybe get on a conference call.

Or send an email, you know what I mean? Because people can use Google Translate on their computer to, you know what I mean?

We'll find her solution.

Yep. All righty. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you. Madam Clerk, is anyone else present for request for relief?

Yes. Address is going to be 152 Northeast 99th Street, David Stein.

I SEEM TO BE MISSING THE COVER SHEET FOR THIS ONE. OKAY, SO IT'S 152 NORTHEAST 99th STREET? CORRECT. OKAY, PERFECT. ALL RIGHT, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?

DAVID STEIN, 441 GRAND CONCOURSE AND MIAMI SHORES.

ALL RIGHT, AND YOUR RELATION TO THE PROPERTY?

I'M PRINCIPAL OF THE OWNER.

Okay. So we are here for 152 Northeast 99, case 10-12-10560, non-dwelling structures and fences. The fine amount is $221,650. The amount proposed is $25,000. Please explain why we should accept your offer.

I WAS HERE BEFORE AND YOU GUYS SUGGESTED THAT I LISTENED TO SOME HEARINGS. IT WAS MY FIRST TIME AND I DID LISTEN TO EIGHT MONTHS OF HEARINGS. I CAN READ THE STATEMENT AGAIN THAT I SUBMITTED IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN JUNE OF 2023 UNAWARE OF THIS 2012 VIOLATION FOR A DIRTY PERIMETER WALL. Upon learning of it, we immediately cleaned and painted the wall and are now in compliance. The violation was issued to Bijan Enterprises, who subsequently sold the property to another previous owner, Joanne Hatton, who we bought at a foreclosure sale on Ms. Hatton. We had no role in creating it. We received no notices, obviously, because we didn't own it. We acted in good faith from the start. It wasn't on Airbnb. We didn't act without permits. There were no complaints that I know of that may have been initially. And nothing was unpermitted during our ownership. We have support of the neighbors and planning and zoning who's approved a new single-family home on the property, which were 95% through the building department. And in light of our efforts, I feel that it's a fair offer based on what I witnessed at those eight months of hearings.

Okay. And the home, if I recall, has already been demolished, correct?

Oh, I don't think there ever was a home. Okay. As far as I know. All right.

It's a tiny home. Oh, yeah? Okay. Yeah, there was a little house on it.

All right, do we have any questions comments from the board All right hearing none 25 the amount fine amount is two hundred twenty one thousand six hundred fifty dollars The amount proposed is twenty five thousand dollars. Is that your best and final offer?

Yes.

Okay, and how long would you need to pay?

60 days 60 days

All right, the amount proposed is $25,000 payable in 60 days. Do I have a motion?

I so move.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Second by Mr. Vickers. Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Mr. Rodriguez?

Yes.

Chair Hubert?

Yes.

Mr. Vickers? Yes. Mr. Hahn?

Yes.

Mr. Congiano? Yes. Thank you.

All right. Thank you very much. Motion cast. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good day. All right. Madam Clerk, do we have anyone else present for request for relief?

Yes. For address 73 Northwest 98th Street, Dennis Kane.

All right. If you would approach and state your name and address for the record.

Dennis Kane, 73 Northwest 98th Street.

All right, so we are here for case 71412958, unsightly house exterior failure to maintain sidewalk roof, roof and sidewalk dirty exterior walls discolored. The fine amount is for $18,150. The amount proposed is $1,800. Please explain why we should accept your offer.

It's an old lean and I was having problems at the time. I could not paint the house myself because of medical problems with my feet. I did eventually have a company come out that I had to finance to have the house pressure cleaned and painted that same year.

Okay. Is the house currently for sale? No, sir. Are you refinancing?

No, I did take an equity loan.

Okay. All right. And you live in the house? Yes, sir, I do. All right.

Do we have any other questions or comments?

All right. Hearing none, the fine amount is $18,150. The amount proposed is $1,800. Is that your best and final offer? Yes, sir. And how long would you need to pay?

I'll pay it tonight.

30 days? All right. The amount proposed is $1,800, payable in 30 days. Do I have a motion? Yes. Do I have a second? I'll second. All right. Seconded. Madam Clerk, would you call roll?

Chair Hubert?

Yes.

Mr. Rodriguez? Yes. Mr. Hahn? Yes. Mr. Vickers?

Yes.

Mr. Congeniano? Yes.

All right, motion carried. Thank you very much. Where do I pay it? You can come in during normal business hours, but give them until at least the middle of next week to get the paperwork all through and signed off and all that.

Yeah, because the equity loan is on hold until tonight.

That is problematic.

Well, I mean, not tonight. They were waiting for a decision tonight.

And I appreciate that.

Did it get approved?

No, okay. But they'll need a release or something?

How early can you get them in a stoppel? Yeah, Tuesday. Yeah.

Tuesday? Yeah, that'll be the areas.

All right, I'll let them know Tuesday. Yeah, you can have the estoppel letter by Tuesday. Thank you. All right, thank you. All right, Madam Clerk, do we have anyone else present for a request for relief?

Yes, for address 867 Northeast 91st Terrace.

All right. If you would approach the podium and state your name and address for the record.

Sure.

Well, my name is Claude Rougier and 867 East 91st Terrace.

All right. Perfect. So we are here for case 1130-2022. Paved walkway and patio, front and rear, no permits on file. Gravel rock used as ground cover throughout east side of property not permitted. Impervious materials, unauthorized construction expired. The fine amount for the impervious materials was $20,000. The fine amount for unauthorized construction was $20,000, grand total of $40,000. The amount proposed is $500. Please explain why we should accept your offer.

When we, first of all, we live 50% of the time here and 50% of the time in France because we have children on both sides, you know, and we are citizens of both countries, you know. So complicated from time to time the issues, you know. When we move at the end of 2021, to Miami Shores from North Bay Village, you know, because that was rented before. When we moved in, we had a good intention. and we thought that the rules, the codes would be the same in Miami show that in North Bay Village and that was a mistake. That was a mistake because we changed, we wanted to, we love mid-century houses and we tried to have something in the same style that was accepted in North Bay Village and that was, and that's what we did in North Bay Village. We put gravels. It was a very design, you know, with a sculpture, everything. We did the same thing, and it was a mistake. I had no idea. When we took an architect to change the Florida room into our painting studio, he said, sorry, he didn't speak like that, you know, he said, you made a mistake. Oh, wow, you know, and The following summer, when I discovered it was a mistake, I took a plane back from Europe in July. And in two weeks, I moved all the rocks, not the rocks, the granites, you know, away. And I put myself to code. At the same time, second thing happened. A friend of ours, you know, he said, well, as you are going away, I'm going to help you with the administrative side, you know. We trust him, he was a good friend, and we left back. After that, you know, we came back months later. We went into the process of the permit for the Florida home and everything went well. And we thought everything was okay. We had no idea. at that time that we had a lien and that you were costing us $50 a day, because can you imagine, you know, if I would have known that. We only discovered that, you know, in April a couple of months ago. Sorry, we had a shock.

Yeah, the mic on the podium. Yeah, it's just for the recording.

Oh, sorry.

Not for our ears, but for her later to type it out.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Should I repeat? No, no, no, no, no, no. So that's a sad story. It was a story of good intentions, which turned, unfortunately, poorly. I have no other explanation that we wanted to do something nice to the house. And I think we did. But now it's grass instead of gravel. It's a question of point of view. That's it. And I'm sorry for that. I'm really sorry.

Mister chair, yes, I just wanted to say I concur with the testimony because the individual that was helping him did come and see me a couple times and. No problem continuing the case because. He will come in and when he was a will come in and and I saw that he was progressing with the process but. One day it just vanished. Because he did so, I had to draw the line. But their property is always well maintained. This was a walkway that they made out of gravel. They had no idea, like they said. But they had this individual taking care of their personal matters, but he dropped the ball on them, and that's why we're here.

Okay, so just to clarify, both of these cases or both of these violations are only for the gravel, not for the brick driveway?

Yeah, there's, yeah, so no.

That's the only thing, because I read it, when I read through it, as one was the driveway was done without a permit and then the rest is the gravel.

No, excuse me.

Yeah, but you can have two violations in one case.

I was surprised, too, to see the driveway, because for me the driveway is the passage for the car to the street. And here we are talking about a square in front of the ex-Florida room and a passage on the east side of the house, because the driveway was never concerned.

Okay, so there's just a small patio and a paved walkway is what we're talking about? Yes, exactly. Plus the gravel. So two separate cases. Well, not cases, but two separate violations. Violations. Okay, so one is for a walkway and a little patio, and then the rest is for the gravel. Okay. Okay. And is the house for sale or for you trying to refinance?

For sale, not refinance. For sale, the house is for sale? For sale, yes.

Okay, and for how much do you have it listed for?

It's not listed.

Okay.

It's a, okay. A pocket listing? It's a friend.

Oh, okay. It's a friend's daughter.

A daughter of a friend, you know, who just had a baby and wanted to do a condominium. She knew us and she said, well, if you are interested to buy.

Okay.

We're getting old.

All right, so you already have an offer? Yes, we do.

And the offer amount is? The offer is l'offre.

The price of the house? It's 1,030,000 or something. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Do we have any other questions or comments?

Go ahead. I just wanted to confirm. So the real issue here is that initially you did do a bunch of work on the property without a permit, correct? You built a patio area and built walkways. The patio was done without a permit, correct? No.

Is this the house here?

Is this the house or is it the old house? It's the old house.

Sorry. We're trying to work off of the picture to understand what's going on.

Okay.

Yeah, it just sounds like to me they mean a landing and a walkway from the landing to a rear patio or a front driveway or something like that, right? Okay. But the Florida room and everything else was done with a permit?

Yeah, 100%.

So it was just this small walkway and then all of the gravel that took so many man hours to get back out.

No question, sorry. Now I understand what's going on. The picture was throwing off. I was trying to figure out what the problem was here with what your conversation was.

All right. Do we have any other questions or comments? All right, hearing none, the fine amount is $40,000. The amount proposed is $500. Is that your best and final offer?

I don't know. I had no idea what to say because when I look at it, the violation was corrected. within a month. And the rest was a technical issue on the permit. So I said, 500, if you want a thousand, you can make a thousand. But I think, I mean, for me, the key was, you see, the gravel, the setup, you are not in North Bay Village here. You are in Miami Shore, that's the code. And I corrected that right away. And the rest was administrative.

Okay, so the case is originally from November of 2022, and until May of 2024, somebody else was handling this issue?

No, we found out when the lady who is buying went to a title and they found out.

Okay, so once you found out about the, when did you find out about the issue with the pathway?

A month ago.

Okay, so May of this year and then you immediately complied within a month. You didn't, okay. So you had it rented? The house was rented?

Before.

During November of 2022, the house was rented?

No, no, no. We moved in 21.

Okay.

We bought the house in 15 or 14, and it was rented. But then in 21, we moved in.

Okay, go ahead.

Yeah, it was rented before.

Was it rented when the work occurred and when the violation? No, no, no, no.

We were living in it. Yes, when they were doing the remodeling and everything, they were living in it.

So you did not receive the post-it on the door or any of the mail?

No. Well, we were not. Maybe it came when we were not there, but someone is picking up our mail, and we never received. Because, you know, honestly, if we had known, we would have solved the problem right away.

There was that individual that they had helping them, that friend that I said that I was working with. Okay.

And I just want to remind you that we'll only vote one time. So if it doesn't pass today, you'll have to wait till, are we having a July meeting? The third, okay. So yeah, we'd have to wait till the July 3rd meeting if it doesn't pass. Yeah, you have a question? Sorry?

The year, the question was essentially why the final month is what it is if you pick a month?

No. My question is, in 22 is when the initial violation was recognized or identified. And yet, in 24, when they get ready to do the What's it called?

No, they had already done the Florida room.

No, when they went to go do the paperwork in preparation for the house, to sell the house?

No, that was just last month. No, yeah, yeah. This May of 24 wasn't. It's May of 25 that they just found out about it.

Correct. So what happened between 22 and 24? That was all administration?

No, the guy was working on it, right?

And you kept giving them the extensions? Yes.

When there's ever a situation where the owner of the property is not living there there because we do have questions like that I like to give play especially for something like this like a gravel walkway or patio, you know and And the individual, like, you know, he would come in and say, you know, that he was very busy, this or the other, that to please give him more time and everything. And because I would hate for somebody that's taking care of a property for someone else, you know, to drop the ball. And, you know, they're not here to do, to take care of matters. They had that gentleman. I didn't want to, you know, make them pay for the problem. So I just kept giving extensions, but...

I understand. So 24... What happened in 24? Did you do the lien search in 24? No, no, no. But that's so you can.

No, no, no, no. No, that's so in May of 24 is when the guy stopped in contact and Mike started the fines.

That's when you started the fines right there. OK, now I make sense.

And in May of 25 is when the person they were selling the house found the paper. That's where the gap is.

Twenty two. Twenty two is when something originally happened. And then. Because of the administrative guy coming in. He gave him 18 months, basically. He gave him 18 months, correct. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Okay.

Yeah, because he was going through the permit process. So, you know, he's going through the permit process. Makes sense now. Yeah.

But then in 24, and then in 24, and then in 24, he stopped coming, and then you said, hey, did you do the whole thing?

Mr. Rodriguez, apologies. I was trying to be useful, and I jumped in on that.

No, no, you're good.

You're good.

You're good. You're good. You're good.

I was just trying to figure out. To add to his confusion, though, so when did this go into compliance? When was this in compliance? That was my father, of course.

Yeah. So that's what their testimony is. They found out about it in the beginning of May, and they took a month, and it's just now.

The beginning of May this year, the gravel was removed.

No, no, no. The gravel was removed right away.

But the permit for the sidewalk, but the permit for the sidewalk is the permit. And that's what we permit. Okay, thank you. That explains everything.

Well, if it had been, well, the thing is, is if it had been two separate cases, right, the gravel could have been closed back then, but it's one case. So it all, it all rolls. Yeah. All righty.

Yeah, no, thank you. All right.

Do we have any other questions or comments? Hearing none, I think I heard 1,000 is your current offer. And is that your best and final offer?

Yeah.

Okay, and how long would you need to pay? 30 days no no no we do minimum 30 days because stuff happens and then you got to come back if you don't do it right you know and then it all has to come back do I have a motion I move all right madam clerk would you call roll mr. Vickers yeah mr. Hahn yes

Mr. Rodriguez? Yes. Chair Hueber?

Yes. Okay. Thank you very much. Motion passed. Thank you. So the same thing, well, Tuesday is kind of your rush job. What day is going to be good for them?

I would say Thursday. Thursday, okay?

For the paperwork? Next Thursday. Okay.

So next, yeah, not this Thursday, next Thursday.

Depends on where you are in the U.S. because this Thursday to me, growing up northeast, means Thursday. following one.

Next Thursday is the one after that.

Alright, has everyone had a chance to review the minutes?

No, I got them late.

Alright, you want a few seconds, minutes to review the minutes?

We don't have minutes in here. I don't have minutes in here.

They should have been on the desk. No, thank you. Have a good day. Were they in here, the minutes?

I said there'd only be one copy.

There's only one copy of minutes. Okay. Okay.

I need a favor from you.

If you can give me your folder real quick. Of course. I would love, no. Oh, the whole thing? If I could make a copy of this here. Because mine is...

One comment.

So on the request for reliefs, so the cover sheet is that critique sheet that I create. I'm human, so I'm not gonna say I never make mistakes, but for the most part, mine will be accurate.

then application sheet that they fill out yes i want you guys to look at it but if the numbers don't match to please go with what's on mine yeah and the other reason too is the application is before they pay the you know before it gets closed sometimes too so exactly could still be accruing correct application is getting submitted correct thank you we go by staff's name yep all right has everyone had a chance to review the minutes do i have a motion no i'm checking oh wait okay sorry no take your time We went on that one. The cover sheet wasn't attached to it. That's where it was. It passed for $1,800. All righty. It seems like everybody's had a chance to review. Do I have a motion? Okay. Do I have a second? Mr. Pickers? Okay. All in favor say aye. All in favor say nay. The ayes have it. Do I have any other further discussion from the board? All right. Hearing none, do I have a motion to adjourn?

I move to adjourn.

Do I have a second? Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Meeting is adjourned.