Council - Regular Meeting

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All right. All right, again. So welcome, everybody. Miami Lakes Plastic Advisory Board, August 24th. Time is 7.23. We'll start with a roll call. All right, you go, Martinez. I'm here. Francesca is ill. Dr. David Bennett. Here. Edwin Orr. Here. And Audrey, she wanted to go to be on virtual. Okay. But I advise her it doesn't count for a visit. So she texted me her update of what she was working on. Okay.

So item four.

We're in business to prohibition of deletions. Any comments? There's no one online.

You can be kind of as present, but it doesn't count for quorum. That's what's said? It goes on virtually. She counts as in-person or remote, but it doesn't count for quorum.

Correct.

Because it doesn't count for quorum, then today she appears like she's us.

Why doesn't it act as quorum? Why not? HAB-Masyn Moyer- I think roles, you have to be in person to vote or anything like that yeah. HAB-Masyn Moyer- it's but it's an it's a. HAB-Masyn Moyer- it's.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Just how it is cases emotion that requires a vote, you know. HAB-Masyn Moyer- that's just below.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- Our adoption minutes. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Any comments or questions. HAB-Masyn Moyer- modifications for the minutes.

The presentations that a high school kids did the best teacher.

I had spoken to the teacher.

doing it all beginning of the summer. And she said to wait until school's back on.

Yeah, I think if we're going to do it, I'd like to, you know, try and get into the science fair this time, but we're going to have more specific requirements. We're out of time. Yeah. So, but I like getting in there and actual, you know, displaying the actual effects. And I mean, we can probably run the same rewards, but I'd like us to get some sponsors for it too.

All right, maybe we can discuss it on open discussion. Okay.

That's my serious feedback.

Okay. So any emotions in the minutes?

I'll second. All right.

Okay. Actually, you're not on board anymore. All right. So I guess emotional proof. Yeah. He's not on the board, so he can't put a motion. Yeah. Yeah, so fine.

I'll motion to approve.

Are you still performing? They're performing. The three of us here. All right. Old business. As always, welcome. Any update from Fabricio's office?

What's Sam's last name? I don't know. Going through the election primaries and things on hold. I don't have the exact dates. We need to organize the committees. So we'll see. All right.

And as far as the lawsuit on the 30th, 31st, is it Monday? 31st is Monday. OK. It's going to be the first in-person hearing. So if anybody wishes to attend, to show support. And what's the flag of the flag of Corvus? The flag of Corvus in downtown. Who's the opposing council? What's that? Who's the opposing council? I have no idea. I'd like to know who's the opposing council.

But Miguel de Grande, who we used to do, I don't know.

I have no idea. They gave me the name, but I don't know. It's the biggest firm in Tallahassee has, but I never heard of them. I'll find out. Any of that. If anybody wishes to go, I have the information. What do you call it? So, and again, it's the first in-person hearing. We had a virtual hearing, which set the stage and things. So we'll see how things go pan out from this juncture. Yeah. um all right so uh update on assigned location of contact um audrey sent me her she she's doing just some stuff with work going on um so but she let me know she sent a copy of the flyer received from leah that list the state's hotline for important to blast to initiate to, I'm sorry, to United Management, Bluegrass Lakes, Slazon for the Vizcaya, and she turned, in turn, sent it to the HOAs from the seven communities within Vizcaya. She will not give her the contact info with respect to the community, so she's contacted them on her own. One of the community radars of the state will have its first meeting in three months in September, and I'm working on getting you, getting me on the agenda And I also contacted Luis Barrosa, who is on the Bear Moor Blast Sand Board to schedule a time slot for an update on the progress being made by Miami Lakes at their next meeting. He's also made aware of the port date for Miami. I have contact for one more HOA who's on vacation as we speak and will follow up at their next meeting at the end of the week.

So she's trying. What's the pushback, do you think? Why don't they want to just share contacts? Isn't that a big problem? I mean, it affects their power.

I would suspect that's what I've seen. They just, they want to be in control of things and just be public or public comment. You know, it's a contact. If it's the management company, it's their clients. So that, you know, they're not freely giving out their client information.

Yeah. Oh, she's, she's punching. Oh, she's, she's going directly to the management company, not the HOA board.

So now she's going directly to the board, but it's individual. That's what I thought. Yeah. Um, Francesca and I went and I met with Christy Fraga, Mayor Doral. And she requested and looking for stuff. And unfortunately, I fell ill right after the meeting and I wasn't able to get things back going again. But the stuff that we've done that's on the Miami Lakes page to get it to her electronically, the PDFs. And she's going to post it and share it on Doral's website, giving credit to where the information came from, to us, Miami Lakes, but sending it to their contacts as well. It was a good meeting. I advised her of the fact. She was telling me that because they're moving out further west, They're not feeling it as much, if at all. Because of that, nobody complains anymore. Because nobody complains anymore, the problem goes away. And I said, well, not quite. If you've had the problem ever, your buildings are already affected and they're just being forgotten. So that turns into neglect. So if something were to happen, God forbid, we have another Hurricane Andrew, your structural integrity of these structures have been compromised. And then we're really going to see what's going on. Um, and obviously it was, it was an eye opener for her. I said, I said, and I quote, this is the same as what politicians do, kissing babies. Everybody's all excited at the moment and then it disappears. We can't let that happen. Um, this isn't a matter of that, that forget it. And it goes away. Um, this needs to be addressed and concluded properly. So she requested that we send her the stuff. And she'll post it on her website, on her town's website. Shoot, and it's appreciated.

Have we done, has there been a study on occult damage, you know, and then, like the surfside collapse? I mean, was there ever a report of occult damage that was done? What do you mean occult damage? Occult, hidden damage. You know, done from whatever, vibration, structural, whatever.

I gave a presentation to the town. from a forensic engineer in the Philippines who did study that. He provided me, I had provided information to him. And in exchange, he sent me the report, his findings, his study. And I presented that. And yes.

I wasn't familiar with the study.

So that's why. So what's happening in Surfside, so you know, and I actually provide that information to the federal investigators. of which the conclusion came out recently, and none of it was included in that. They intentionally ignored it all, in my opinion. That it was totally self-contained within their parameters of the building's demise, and nothing to do without external forces.

How did they explain the rebar that was completely separated from the concrete? What was the explanation for that? Yeah, I don't recall.

Did you hear the surfside, the federal study for surfside? The collapse of surfside, the concrete?

I thought it was related to the pool deck, right? Well, it was related to it, but the whole structure collapsed. It wasn't just the one side, and the rebar was separated from the concrete, completely separated from it. There's got to be an explanation as to why that happened.

So the presentation I gave, this engineer and I worked with I assisted. He actually built a structural model of Surfside. So they're on a shake table to test his theories. And it came exactly as the collapse of Surfside. I mean, you look at the pictures from the model, pictures of Surfside, they're identical.

So they think that the pile driving and the adjacent facility at least contributed to the collapse. Right. It's not the sole cause. Because there was obviously some neglect according to the HOA. So basically, it acted as a trigger more than anything else. Right, exactly. Is that what the federal study indicated? No, they didn't.

No, it's just a failure of maintenance. A lack of maintenance in the building caused the failure.

That explains why now condos have $200,000, $300,000 special assessments now.

Right. So in Surfside, with this engineer, what he was able to prove is that the energy wave created by pile driving creates uplift. the Z component. That uplift moves the columns up. And in Surfside's case, they had pre-stressed slabs that's in tension. And those cables go into the columns. So as the column goes up, it began to detach the rebar. And the columns come back down, that Z component. It literally stripped the rebar connection from the slab to the support. And then what happened was the slabs and pancake down, which is what's seen in all photographs, they just slid down the columns and it makes some sense.

I mean, So the slabs were attached to the columns by rebar and supporting cables?

The cables go through the columns and that's what holds the slab up. And then it's attached, they're L-bars.

I didn't realize that's how they built it.

Yeah. It's a pretty stressed concrete. But the columns to the slab, you have rebars connecting it, each one. And if you look at the photographs, those rebars, they're literally just ripped out. It's all detached.

That's what I was saying, that the rebars were separated from the concrete.

That's what that is. I mean, I've provided photographs on it. You can see the post-tension cables literally just hanging. It's all just stripped. So there's nothing attached to it. The micro... surface of concrete that attaches to rebar was all vibrated and pulverized. So there's nothing physically holding it anymore. And this guy was able to prove all that with a shape tape. So I presented that here about two years ago, I guess it was. I provided all that to the engineers and the federal engineers and nothing.

So it's kind of disheartening. But was it you or the town that provided it? Was it you or Tom?

Me.

Did they interview you? Did they ask you specifically about this or you just volunteered it for them? The federal investigators. Did they seek you out or did you volunteer?

No, I had contact. I don't remember how the connection was made. Okay.

So it wasn't included. So they say that the vibrational stresses from the pile driving had no... No effects on it. That was incredible. No effect. They say no, that's the whole point. In their official report, they said no, that wasn't. Is that online? The report's online? Actually, we go to YouTube.

I don't remember the lady's name. She was the lead engineer on it. I just want to read it, I want to read and she has all the links on on there and explain it, and then I have the links to I just like to read it because every paragraph I like the parts okay no problem. So. That happened, I and again I transfer all this that information to to Christy product and her chief of staff and i'm gonna call her name actually. um. So they had asked for information on that. I'll send it tonight. I also contacted, but I'm speechless. There's no words. City of Hialeah, the chief of staff ignored the first email, first contact I had with her. I emailed her again, and then she denied any meeting with the mayor. then said it was the only time that he's busy, quote unquote, until the end of September. So I sent her an email at length explaining what's going on and their constituents that they have are directly affected by this and no response.

That's one of the ones out west. The annexes.

They got windows shattered. I didn't know that, but yeah. With photographs of from properties of the annex. I'm beside myself floored with the response that they had. Absolutely floored, if not insulted.

Any updates from you guys? Yeah, I have an update regarding the report. I looked it up yesterday to see if I was going to bring one refresh. but it's still have data up to me. So I'm like, cause I even have way through the year. So it's going to be like in balance. It's kind of low numbers are kind of lower now. Like we're talking 2023, 2024 numbers. So 24 numbers of, of, uh, like that, the, the, the rate went down since last year. So that's, but I should have it to have something next month.

I know from, from my engineers that they've been blasting a lot less actually, um,

I've also noticed that it's on the other side of the lake. And it's also further out.

Yeah.

I think they're expanding it west more than east of this one, because I think they're as far as they can get to the burn pipe there.

Yeah. And CMEX is going... Well, it's shutting down, I thought. Huh? I thought CMEX was shutting down, the one we're invited around. Are they shutting down? That's what I thought. I heard that they're going further west. I don't know.

Yeah.

Well, I thought they were moving the plant. Right. Yeah. But it just, again, it floors me out of sight, out of mind that people don't feel anymore. And God forbid we have another hernia syndrome. We're going to have just a swamp of... The connections are weakened.

A lot of people in my driver's works, all the drivers are going down, stuff like that. That's just normal. But on top of that, with all the blasting and all the... It's absolutely normal.

Yeah, I haven't, obviously, I have a little seismograph, and I haven't had any alerts in the last three months. I showed you the one, a little NTECH one. But I haven't gotten any alerts. Yeah, I used to get one like every day, almost now. Yeah, so I don't know. Maybe they're quiet for the midterms, and then after that, they'll come back.

That makes sense.

I don't know. Or maybe they're quiet because of the lawsuit problem. Yeah. I mean, they don't know. There might be some pressures they're not aware of. I don't doubt it. I don't know. Like I said, it's all supposition.

So that being said, moving forward, I have number eight. Any recommendations?

Well, I'd like to go ahead and try and expand on the awards for the project, like expand the high schools. I'd like to meet with science departments of HML, which is now Park Charter School, I understand. I think they're Park Charter School. I think they're Complete Charter School. HML, really? I think that's where I read the paper. And Robbie Alonso, I think, gave it his blessing. I'd like to do that, obviously, Val Goldman and the one over here, Bob Graham, and all that. anything i like to do with junior high school on up because sometimes they use junior high school kids are pretty smart too especially the ones that like songs and then if i can do that i'd like to see if i can expand the award and if i can that might make it more interesting any does anybody have any content any contact with them well i know the pta president so maybe i do it for that

Because the only response that we got was through, and I went personally, and he says, I got it.

I'll make appointments once we let the school year get started. And then we'll start presenting, because I think it's March is when the science fair is. So we'll give them plenty of time to think it through if they want to do it. And then I'd like to see if I can secure a large enough award. But you've got to get in now just to get scheduled. I understand that. That's just why I was going to try and get ahold of them if I can. Other than that, I mean, that's for public awareness about as far as I can go. Unless you want to buy advertising on TikTok.

I think that as a competition, as an event for high school and like that, I think it's fantastic. It was very appropriate.

It was a good use of science, obviously. There was a lot of chat GPT. Absolutely. But that doesn't bother me at this level because they'd have to understand the problem. And it's a tool that's available to them today. Right. And I'm going to use me. I know the Dewey decimal system and go to the frigging library and look things up in legal pads. They don't have to do that anymore. Although I don't, I don't want to see any libraries closed. I have no idea if having libraries around because it's a source of focal point for gathering knowledge. You can still say, well, here's what you can get. Even if the computers, they are tied to chat GPT. Doesn't bother me.

No, but it's a great starting point.

Yeah, well, I think it is. But what I like this time is to do a working model demonstrating the effect. We'll give them a list of effects and let them demonstrate those effects and then let them do the calculations. I don't know if you've seen the simulations in which cars are going at 10 miles an hour with speed bumps and then 30 miles and then 150 miles an hour. Yeah, I mean, that's all simulations. I mean, and that's fine and dandy. I don't think I want paper machine models necessarily. So I would like to have some type of demonstrable simulation. And they can make it a virtual simulation if it actually shows it after its formulation. It'd be crazy if they can put it inside a class, like a science class. Well, it goes under dynamics. And in this class, this is all Newtonian physics. And wave propagation all that I mean it's all it's it's basic science to be honest with you there there, I mean geophysical science is a specialty of it, but it's uses the same format. You know you're you know if equals na is the same across the board and only in this case, the mass is very, very large and the a is very, very small, but the forces are. The theory basis of it all, is this is all the same way propagation and constructive destructive interference it's.

It's just the cause and effect that is what's meriting in it. And I think the effects is impressive.

Euler's identity turns out to be a factor. I don't know if you know what that is. But Euler's identity turns out to be a factor because the waves are not like sinusoidal waves. Turns out they're three-dimensional waves, the way they move out. And they found that there's a relationship using Euler's identity. Weak the I pi plus 1 equals 0. Makes sense. Well, it's because it's three-dimensional. That's a three-dimensional thing. structure so quickly makes sense um that being said what what do you think could be the best for the town to reach out and and post this if the town could just make the you know just reach out and just give me the uh get me an appointment i mean that easiest thing is for the town to get me an appointment i'll just go and we'll make our presentation i think for both of us or me whatever and let them know what we want what we did last year And what we'll do, and we'll like to do this year. And once we get some type of hard response that are interested, well, then we do some fundraising for it. I mean, you know, I'll still contribute my $1,500, but I like to see it get up to $2,000 or $3,000 would be nice. Ideally, I'd like for the seniors or juniors to go ahead and be able to buy a car with it. I mean, that's always been my, I think that once again, I want Science and knowledge to be rewarded. It's so rarely, you don't even have a holiday for engineers and scientists and they get our entire existence is due to their, their work. You know, it's got, you know, we've got president's day and we have all these other holidays, but scientists and engineers, they got nothing. And they literally built the modern world. Okay. So can you send another email?

Now that we have time, all the surrounding schools.

Yeah, we can make up an email, send it out to each school. Similar to what we did before. Should I go before the school board? Say again? Should I go before the school board? We had their meetings.

We wanted to do an event with the school. So there was this lady in the education advisory board. And she wanted to see what we would do.

I mean, I guess I have to contact Robby. You need to represent him. He doesn't hold it against me. I ran against him.

No, he's a good guy. So we'll start there with the town.

The thing to do is also, because I know that in the Education Advisory Board, there's several teachers or principals that attend that. So you can go and ask to comment.

I'm just trying to figure out the best way of reaching out. That sounds like a reasonable, I think the school board would be the best way to go. And if I get on the, like, there's public comments, I believe in those meetings.

If you go to public comments, either in the Education Advisory Board, or if you want to present it to Robert, also. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's the way we're going to go. I think it'd be best to go, education policy is part of the town you're talking about. I think that dilutes the effects for us, for our, our needs, is the only thing.

I think they should be aware. I don't mind them being aware, but yeah, I have no problem with being aware of it, but I'm probably going to, I might want to do that as an afterthought, maybe go directly to Roberto Alonso and the school board and then inform them of, you know, of what the meeting was about. And we do it in that order might be better. I think I agree.

I agree a hundred percent.

I can't do anything. I'm just, you know, for just, just to get the word out, you know, I can't imagine anybody wanting to quash something like this. I mean, it's beautiful. It's science.

It's the kids.

It's financial rewards.

Yeah. The limited participation we had, I think it was beyond successful.

No, no, no, no. They were great. And the one young lady was amazing. I mean, she really got a very good understanding of the material. That's why we made them do an oral presentation, not just send in a report. We want them to make sure they understood the material. That was what's important. So, yeah, I was very satisfied, you know, but I like to expand it. And we'll have to set up parameters. We'll have to discuss that, exactly what we want to do as far as that. But I think I need to talk to the, let me talk to the principals and the science teachers first. All right. So. Okay. So I'll figure out when the next school board meeting is. I'll see if I can attend. That'll be my legacy when I leave you. I've been, I've been invited on two other boards, uh, uh, the FDA, the, uh, but he's retired.

So he has time for all of it.

Yeah. I'm partially tired, but, but, uh, the Florida Dental Association has invited me on their, uh, advisory board. And, um, I'm on another board too. So let's take it up some time, but I think.

Anything else?

Um, no, anything else that opened the session, I guess, uh, I mean, once again, until we find out after they just report about the court meeting, a meeting at the courthouse. And if you can, text me the opposing counsel. I'm just curious. All right. Play nice. That's not their job to play nice. Their job is to win it. But the point is, I'd like to know who it is. As I say, I knew Miguel de Grande. He was representing, I think, White Rock. I remember all that. I was aware of him, but

Okay. I met him in one of the meetings. He didn't even live to talk about it.

He was like, you're the guy. You're the guy. Why does your name sound familiar? You're the guy.

You're dumb. Yeah, I think we're... Anything else? Sir? He's the quiet one you've got to watch out for. He's protecting us.

Schools were...

They've been good. We've been steadily making some progress.

Obviously, with Helen's first day, I mean, I know it was a nightmare. My question is, I mean, it wasn't too many fights on campus.

No, no, and normally that's not really the case. Normally it's very easy.

So just getting everybody in and out. Yeah, I saw the problem. Fortunately for me, I left late and moved back home early. But yes, I saw the issue. And it's going to compound. I mean, you've got two seven-story buildings going up in the next five to 10 years. And I don't see any expansion of 154th Street or 138th Street. I don't know where you can expand to. So yeah, I'm waiting for hover cars and jet cats.

That should be the solution. They had talked about lifting two sections of the highway, remember? Yes. And to have another two points or three points in total.

But that never happened. I'm curious about the 67th Avenue, the MDX project and how that's going to impact 67. I haven't seen any of the studies yet. I've just heard about it.

The books are in the lobby.

Oh, how nice. I'll go look at it now.

And then at the council meeting, the last thing was they, the proposal was for them to have, to see what, what would be the impact if they open the ramps to get on. Yeah, of course. Right, so we can have. Right, an entrance. Yeah, and guns to get off.

Yeah, well, so far, only because it's new, the 170th Street Bridge, I haven't seen a huge amount, I've seen a little backing up when the Matter Academy is letting out. However. That county line road and the 170th where it bends, you need a four-way stop because people are coming around that corner blind. And then the people are trying to make a left-hand turn to get on to 170th Street. And it's fun to watch. I'm just glad I have as much pickup on my car as I have. And as mentioned, a neural net with self-preservation built in. That means the car will look around and determine what maneuver it needs to be not to get hit. That's right. There's a media that has that.

It actually has that ability. You look for a Tesla and just cut them off. The Tesla will hit the brakes.

It's even better. It had the unsolvable problem with a person on the sidewalk and a person in the crosswalk. Which one do you take out to avoid the accident? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen the solution to it yet, but I'm telling you the problem. And you don't want to. Who goes? It actually had, it's built into the neural net. I don't know what the solution was. I mean, obviously, braking would be good. Rear-ended, I guess, is the safest thing.

Yeah.

I'm just trying to say, I don't know. It was one of those weird scenarios that they put in. Motion to adjourn? So you have a motion to adjourn? Motion granted. Okay. Second. Thank you all. So comments that I was appointed to the FDA's