Council - Regular Meeting

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What's the computer? Baseball game to watch. You good? Mhm. All right. So, plastic advisory board meeting April 27th time is 7:06 meeting called to order. We jump into things. Any public comments online? No. No.

Public comments. Okay. Um, bills. in Tallahassee. Um, just so you guys understand the he he he was referred by St. Fabricio.

Um, he has two properties that he's been suffering with damages, a driveway, a patio, different this the standard

complaints that we all get. How close is he to ground zero? We're not translating. We're not translating. No, that's good. Ask him if he has any water on or near his property. Second water. Oh, no.

complaints. No,

do you have it? I don't. I was about to ask this. Yeah. Okay. person.

Wow. Somebody goes down to the foundation. Is that inside? Outside the patio. Does he have anything on the inside? Something similar that No, only exterior like on the terraces of the driveway. Okay. Yeah. Foundation wash. Yeah. Of course, I just patch my own bag up again.

Martinez. Y here is here. So order of business deferrals deletions. Sorry, he's just giving me his email. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's just like go over the old and you got a report from the school. I want to hear that stuff. order business deferrals. None

seeing the approval of minutes which I'll show down next shot. Sorry, what? He did the I did the minutes for the first time and I did it like I do my notes when I was in dental school. It's a little bit long. Yeah, I opened the email and I was like, "Wow, whoever I mean I know you put together the agenda and I'm like, "Wow, this is a very extensive agenda. We're covering a lot of historical stuff." And then I saw the minutes and I was like, "Wow, congratulations Secretary. This is why are we doing it again?

I will I will I will make it much more brief." Motion discussion second. discuss this and when we get to it as soon as we get to that point you just go through the agenda. So, um, you g his information? Yes, I have his info. You'll send that. I already had his phone number, but now I have his email address. So, okay. And you'll have to give me just a quick paragraph away. I That's why I took notes. Yeah. Do that and send it to me and I'll

incorporated verbid. All right. Um, so close public comments, adoption of minutes. I move to adopt them. All in favor? I I All right. That comes the fun stuff. Yeah. Now, now let's get into business. Right. This uh it's fair to say I think this meeting will we'll dedicate it to Edwin. Okay. Who's a has a number of items requested to play be placed on the agenda. Okay. Um for old business, the program status reports that the they've done an incredible job with assembling the these uh stats.

Okay. Um, it's now been posted on the town's website, has it? Yeah. I haven't seen I've been there for for about a week and a half, two weeks, right? Um, I'm not sure. I gave it over to the person that does the website. Yeah. Um, the day you told me you sent me an email. It was that that or the following day it was up. So, that was when it was up. Okay. Yeah. It was like two weeks ago at least. just based off my memory because I went on the town website when I was on the phone with him to confirm the day of the meeting because we used to be the third Monday of every month. So I always get tripped up like is it the third? Is it the fourth? So I went on the town website and I saw it and I'm like wow look at us so fancy. So yeah thank you. That was good.

You're welcome. I just passed the information along the is is the that website now is it a live link or static? It's it's I push a bone push. I have to hit a button. I have to hit a button because in order for it to be auto refresh, I have to have a gateway to the Florida. That's one thing. It's going to be a little harder. And two, we have to pay the monthly membership $25. Okay. So, you the next four months right now, but no, no, no. The way it is right now, I think is best regardless because he can't update the report unless the CFO's office produces the data,

right? So even even if we did it, like why take your money if it's not going to create a big I want to make sure that at least keeps updated. No, but it's it's just not going to update. Like he still has to push it anyway because the info has to be posted on the CFO's office. Then from the CFO, it has to go to him. He's going to have to push it out anyway. So long as there's blast, I'll be refreshing that part. I'll do it very well. What's the What's the latest uh date that has now? I haven't checked since last time. I was a little busy just figuring the data. Um what I was doing is I was looking at the there's two links in the blast reports that come out. One is the company records which is the like the size small graph official report.

Yeah. Which matches with what is already in the report. I checked it's only four PPVS that don't match the rest match 100%. And now the other one which is the size the independent seismologist that one I did find a discrepancy that between that and the reports right

and I have a report that to show you but basically um I went and checked like my hand handed them um and they're all correct as far as like the incorrectness how it was written incorrectly like for one of them they put the PV is 160 but there's no PV 160 they just put they didn't put the test right but in my report it come out 160. So when I see that I'm like okay I caught the error that they also made the error they corrected when they publicized the the VBD I saw it was one6. So I'm like okay so the data is there now I think I can u I can like kind of like redo that portion of it so I can like kind of clean it up.

So like in a couple months I should be able to have like a thing like a refreshable the download. The reason I asked uh we do have a resident that that also requests from them uh the latest reports and and it used to be that it was basically the lag was one month behind. It used to be it used to be and now it's several months. That's why I find it it's been odd on their side uh these delays. Um, but I'm I'm curious that if if you are if you're getting the latest as it goes, then what what the what what's being represented on the town's website will be the latest as as it as we have it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's dated there. So dated for December 31st.

So how does it work now then? You you have a the control of the update. Yeah. So there there's two levels of it. there's a level of like me just publishing it on the website on the internet and then there's another um option of sharing it. So I have to monitor both. So I can publish it and like some of the edits that I make on the desktop version doesn't flow through the website. So I have to also edit the website version to make sure that everything flow through correctly. Those two different layers.

Um but as far as like managing it the way that we have it set up is very simple. The first report is very simple. So I don't really have to manipulate so many things or change any. Very cool progress. Um all right. So that being said, 6B the school seisma project. Um I started at random. I I went to Mag Educational Center and uh by coincidence I met with the principal of the school. Coincidence? I like that.

Yeah. Um he w once I explained the project they they did get the the town sent to the sends to the school board. The school board distributes to the to the schools in the area he so they did get the email. He told me that the email was a little bit confusing the way it was laid out. It was kind of odd. Um but he did get it. Once I explained it then everything was was crystal clear. Now, the the professor that's in charge of the of the science division, if you will, um was out has been out with some health issues. Um but once I explained it what this project entails, um he als he explained to me that they have some the teachers have some of the teachers have properties that are affected. So, they're very interested in in uh in learning about this. Um, so the the professor that that that is out once he returns then will be contacting me to move forward with this thing which I expect that I'm hoping it's this week. Um, I met with them last week. Um, if I don't hear from him midweek this week, I'll contact again and and and move forward with that.

Should we contact Dr. McNut? What's that? Should we contact Dr. McN? See the um, all right, our seismologist. Yeah. Yeah. uh for maybe you know being interested in health presenting for the school too. He is a teacher. He works at FSU, right? No. Um USF UCF University of Central Florida USF. Okay. UF um what do you call it? He uh I have not um I stay in touch with him. That's what I was asking. Yeah. No, I'm in touch with him regularly. Uh I'm actually relocating one of the devices of his uh in Myiramar. Um are we still using the Raspberry? Uh oh yeah. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. You send me that website. I've lost it, I guess. Um yeah, just Google raspberry shake. Raspberry shake. Okay, I'll find that. Um actually, if anybody knows somebody in in Mir Isles, we're looking to relocate a device there. Um

I have no friends. the Myiar that the the town of Myar referred me to somebody, but they and we've been emailing back and forth back and forth and they they went cold. So, I don't know if they're no longer interested in assisting or or what, but that's that. Um, so the so that's where with the school project, the the principal told me it's a go period. Uh, one way or another, it's going to happen. So just waiting for response from this particular professor. Um so that's going to happen. Um moving on to 6C for BCIO's office. Any updates?

You know, basically the same they started the session actually tomorrow. It's going to be a long day and again the the blasting issue has not been uh approved by committee. So we have to wait for next year. All right. We have three main topics that are they want to push. Was this the fourth fourth year stride? What? Is this his fourth year stride to get it off for the committees? No, it it it's dead in committee. I mean it there's is there any any movement anything that can happen to force a committee to place on just has to put it on the agenda.

It is my understanding is is submitted and then the chair can take course, right? So it's up to the chair. And there there's no other there's no alternatives other than that. The year was the last year that you were presented at least that was allowed allowed us to correct it. So by this year can Thomas share with us the committee chairs all the committee chairs that's going to receive the vote. They don't they don't know. Great. Okay.

But well yeah it's on it's it's public record so you can go. Yeah, I know. But it's after the fact. I want to get to them before the before the book shows up. We send them letters. Speaker is the one that picks the committees and the chairs vice chairs and and it happens. Everything happens right then and there. Yeah. So he doesn't know the speaker assigns the speaker is the one assigns the committees around them. You know who the speaker is? The guy from Halia. Sam Garrison. The one now is Brian or it was but they just changed this time is is Sam Garrison. I don't know. Is he out of Gainesville? Uh he's from North Florida I think but I'm not sure.

Okay. Thank you. Sam Garrison. It is Sam Garrison. Okay. So um thank you.

So moving on. I guess we go pretty quick today. New business. Um Edwin requested that we add the mission statement of of of this committee to all minutes so we can add how topics of discussion align with the mission statement. Mission statement is the blasting advisor board was established to discuss and provide the town council with recommendations and possible solutions to ease the efforts at least the effects of rock mining blasting. Um what is the intent? Um, I think there's a lot of points that bring that bring it up, but they always don't fall in line with the mission statement. Like for example, but they all do indirectly like like the school project that we're doing right now indirectly is helping us.

Well, listen, we just had an educational clause in there. That's all. The public and so it's like it to me it helps to have that either maybe not in our agenda. Maybe in I don't know if it's like the towns. Um it's on it's on our page on the website. Yeah. See it just here. Um I think that would be cool. Just a thought. Um

well the mission statement is on the on the blasting committee website. Well, I'm just saying just like because uh we've been talking a lot about the indirect um impacts to the cause like we're not looking for recommendations from the science project. It's not going to help us to push anything to the house to move anything along. So, there's topics like that that are going to get brought about in the committee. And I think it's if we have the mission statement in our faces, it'd be a little easier to be like, okay, well, how how this is aligned with our mission statement that we're going to spend 30 minutes talking about, you know, we only meet 12 times a year. So that's like only 12 times. So, if we're going to spend 30 minutes talking about something, it doesn't directly, you know, just like pull hairs at um, you know, opinions, like maybe you have an opinion about how we can help or you have an opinion, how we can help, but we just like dive down into that one. Um, instead, I think it's like indirectly spending time. But if we focus on the mission statement, then we can probably like think of ideas um that more like direct impact. Um I mean you you want to keep it just strictly.

No, not just just just so I think it's feasible if it's just there. So like if we're talking off topic, if we have the mission statement in front of us, we can kind of guide the conversation towards are we married to this mission statement? Is this irreparably change? You can't change it. Yes. I think we have to go to a vote and and present it. Well, I would just add an education clause in there of public education, you know, in order to, you know, forward the mission of people awareness, you know. I mean, I think too many people think that the mall over there is being constructed and that's what the blasting is about, right?

Far too many that in my head is more like the transition of how much time we spend talking about it since we only have 12 meetings a year here and there's like one workshop done a year and basically the same thing's done every year. So it's like it's not like directly going into the mission statement. So I'm just gonna add my two cents. Adding text to a document doesn't align a meeting. The structure and the order of the meeting is established by the people running the meeting, right? The chair, the vice chair, if the chair is not around. So the chair actually sets sets the the

right the agenda. So, I have zero problems with adding it to the agenda because you're just adding text to a document. But if you only want to discuss things that align with this particular victim, then what is the purpose of adding it to the agenda? No, it's the point of it is if you have the text in front of you while we're talking about So, who's going to police that? like this conversation that we're having right now, it's not aligned with this mission statement because in order to execute on it, we have to enforce on it. So, who's going to be responsible for enforcing this?

It's not enforcement. It's about like uh like if you want to break creativity or creative thinking like having those words in front of you like I think it helps cuz if not we're going to deviate too much because we don't uh we don't deviate from the topic. Hey, let's go back and talk about blasting, you know, but we always just talk.

Okay, so this right here, this conversation is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that if there's a member of this board that would like to see it on the agenda, I don't have a problem putting it on there. But I don't think it's a proper use of anyone's time to police whether or not, you know, if something's not aligned with our mission, then that's the purpose of voting for things that we do or not do. because you use the science project as an example of how something that's not exactly aligned with our mission, but when that topic was brought to a vote, it was unanimously approved. Right? So, how is that not aligned? Why didn't you vote?

In my head, it's not have to do with that. If you have the mission in front of you while we're off topic, you can kind of bring it back to So, to stay on topic then, what is the motion? Is your request that we add it to the agenda and that's it? Yeah. So, then make the motion and then let's vote on it and then we can move on. No. I just didn't know if it was feasible to add it to our agenda or to add it to the town's like template here. I mean, the chair is the one that does the agenda. So, right. Oh, I don't know. It's part of the template we just downloaded. The agenda is always done by the by by the committee chairs. All right. Yeah. He sends it to me and then I send it to the office of the clerk.

It would have been cool if we just been in the recommendations like in the front. I personally I don't as my opinion then um it it it is it's not hurting but it's not helping anything. It's not I don't see the purpose of it. Um and and as an agenda we always try to keep it as streamlined and concise as it can. Um it's just adding to it but but it it's on the town of Whitelight. Um

and I I don't see I don't see a need for it. the the the a committee is run by by the chair. They they're the ones that steer the bus. Um and so we're always um the the the intent is always to to provide advice to the council. How we do it is it's up to the committee. Um again guided by the chair. So, and and as an example of this project that we're doing, that's just another uh example for the community to do. And we advised we actually had a request from the council approval to do this. It was a thought and idea. Um we're not advising the council to create this. That's on us. So, I don't see the the the the necessity for it. Um I don't have a problem to do it. I just don't see a reason for it, though. um being involved for this for about what we're about 8 10 years now doing in this

2016 I started 2016 10 years ago. Yeah. And that was when I I was chaired that night. Yes. And I just Yeah. Anyway, um the wheels been spinning in the mud for 10 years. We have to think out the box. Yeah. One of the problems that I know about is I don't want to be constrained to these words when you can essentially say well this is directly related to the project and the problem but it may not be co you know directly uh placed can can be directly I don't know how to put it useful advice shoehorn you're shoehorning this

yeah yeah it just it just we have to think out of the box at this point because we tried doing everything we gave 10 great great opinions during our little standard that was done in 3 weeks too and it just it just spun out of nowhere and we got to start thinking out of the box. We got to get some public pressure out there. You know, the few well I don't know how many now have sent plenty of emails that have been sent to the uh various um representatives and it didn't seem to do anything. Didn't they didn't move the needle. So you know that I don't agree with you. Um it actually need Oh yes. Oh yeah. If the if you recall the first time actually before you were on the committee that I went to Tallahassee, it was unknown what the issue was. Didn't exist. It was just unheard of.

Okay. And now you go, hey guys, what's what's new? So there. So in other words, that's huge. The website wouldn't even be within this in this in this little statement. So just by that alone, now we've expanded beyond the mission statement just basically trying to I guess move things forward. I actually I disagree with that. I don't think you can do anything without the data website. I I really don't wouldn't take step one at least step one in my side. Like if you don't look at the data from the website, you're just going by your opinion. Well, yeah, we had we had our own data. Yeah. No, no, it's he he's talking about a larger spectrum than what you're you're seeing. I'm talking about the data from the state. Yeah. I Yeah, as I said, I I haven't explored

I was sitting in the airport waiting for my flight, return flight. I was talking to my mother on the phone actually and I had I'm assuming it was a state representative just come up to me. You're the blasting guy. Hey, nice to meet you. No idea who this guy is. Never seen him before. The only he had a logo of the state on his shirt. That's I'm assuming he's a state rep. I mean that that's the type of impact and and influence that we've done at at a grand scale. Um time. Uhhuh. Over time. Over time. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It took a lot of time. And so the the the intent of of this committee is to advise the council, but at large we need to um expose what's been going on. And I think we've been highly effective doing that. That's why I say again getting back to your statement. I don't know. I don't see what the the a you see as a negative putting the state. I don't see as a negative or a positive. I I see it indifference. It has no value. It has no value to me. is required like Okay. So, let's vote on it cuz we all got we all got opinions. Yeah, just take a vote now. Let's take a vote. Make a motion. Motion to put it in the minutes. Put the state in the minutes. Someone second a motion.

I hear a second. Oh, second. Okay. I'll second I'll second the motion. I'm going to do nay. All right. No, no, very very interrupted in um cultures coming in. We do have it, you know, it's a very short. It doesn't have to be very very verbose. Just keep it simple. That's it. Okay. Well, we could vote on a alternate mission statement more representing what we're trying to accomplish. Change the mission statement unless it wasn't. That's one of those. But but we can send that off to council. Just expanding what the mission statement is, can't we?

That's kind of why I ask for a subcommittee. I was asking for a subcommittee when the topic got brought up. I was saying, can this be a subcommittee so we don't take up this time to talk about it? Because I think it's great. We're four people to be a part of the subcommittee. The two people that not come in on a different day of the week. You don't have to come so that we come so we talk about the same thing. We're voting on this right now. If we put it on the on the agenda, fabulous. If we don't put it on the agenda, let's move on. They would have to complete. It would just be you at the subcommittee. So the other members would have to come for a discussion. It's not another day. You have to have more than one person to have a discussion.

No, but when when the paperwork is getting approved, they need to stay for Dr. Bennett to just meet and just prove it. Isn't the same thing as a subcommittee? It's more than one person, right? It's two people. Okay, you can do that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like and that's why I brought up the subcommittee, but you guys just brought it down. You guys didn't want to talk about it. That's why I was like, "We only have to go committee for what? A subcommittee to talk about statement." No, no, no. I'm talking about I requested a subcommittee when the topic of the um school project

project was brought up because in my side, I think it's a great idea. I do want to do it, but I just think 12 times it would meet every single year here is not worth the squeeze. Hey, so how are you? So I just would you like a subcommittee basically to be a liaison to the schools? No to the things that don't align with the um goals. Oh, nice matter. Yeah, I think they do. Okay. You want to introduce yourself? Uh Switson on the blasting committee there which bless you. You know what I say? I'm sorry. Mr. asking Tomson T L I N

were you there when we did our presentation with May? I've been there been there quite a few times. Remember we did our presentation there when they had that general meeting there. Oh, that you're talking years back. I know that now. I doubt it. Okay. She with the town itself. No, I understand that was that was a community meeting. That was okay. Yeah. Okay. So we voted on the measurement city. Yes. Did you leave off? We voted and then we denied. Okay.

Actually, you voted against your own. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a if you guys weren't going to vote for it, like it's just like go for it. Like you you motioned for it. You just have to motion for it. So that's why I was like, "Okay, why you second it?" If if we No, no, no. The motion is one thing. The voting is another. Yeah. Yeah. So, you voted against your own request. It's It wasn't It wasn't meant to be put out there because if you were gonna deny it, you shouldn't just not put a vote. Oh, no. You know, you know you're going to deny it. A lot of time I'm in a lot of committee meetings and a lot of things don't go through that. A lot of

Yeah, but we should always bring it to a vote if it's something that that's why I was asking for subcommittee. I was asking the subcommittee when we were talking about the school and like that getting that didn't get brought up for like

just because you suggest that something should go into a subcommittee doesn't mean everybody's going to agree for it to go into a subcommittee because using that same exact example there was a couple meetings ago where I requested that a subcommittee would be created remember for something that required a specific expertise that I felt I couldn't bring any technical value to the table and you were against that. So, we're all here because we're capable people who represent certain values and principles and all of these things. I'm perfectly fine with you disagreeing with me. You also need to be perfectly fine when it's the other way around. So, the motion about the mission didn't pass. The suggestion about the um the special call or not the special call, what was it? the the committee subcommittee for the other reason that was brought up that didn't pass. I I don't see anything wrong with that. I mean, that's just the dynamic of a board and whether it passes or it doesn't pass.

Yeah. Whatever quorum is is what ends up happening, right? Right. That's just the way that the committees go. Um is she aware of our school project? Maybe we can expand it to uh your it uh No, that's sure. Mlet, can we discuss is that new business or old business? That was old business. Before we move on to open old business, you can just go back. I don't have a problem with going back to to bring her up to speed. I noticed that there's a list of things that are like historical here, like reviewing the 2024 opinion, requesting a marketing campaign flow diagram, marketing flow diagram. These are all new business items though before.

These are things that we hadn't discussed before. No, Edward requested them. We haven't discussed a 2024 opinion. No, no, no. To discuss today, Edward requested which whenever you I saw you sent me a a lot of emails, so I forward it to Miguel so that we could put it in the agenda. The uh which now you remind me that the latest version of this that's not you took the first one, not the first. They might have used the first one when we because I submitted this with the the minutes with him. So then they probably just used All right. Because you'll notice it says I'm the vice chair. Yeah.

Yeah. So I had correct all these things and that was if you look at the the late the last one I had sent you had all these items corrected and all the Edwin's items his requests you know I listed that as Edwin's request. Yeah. When I resubmitted Friday they they use the first one. So then this list is also a part of Edwin's request. Yes. All of them. All six items. Do you guys submit anything for today? Anybody can anybody can and and it's up to that. That's why I submitted so many because I was like last minute all we talked about was the school in minutes. So I was in my head I was like it's already

a meeting agenda is done by the chair. The chair will decide whether if you submit a request to put it on the agenda or not. Yeah. That's why I was like my personal as a courtesy unless there's something uh blatantly wrong I'll put it on as a courtesy of to you. So on here though, but what I what I do do and that's what I the last version I realized I I missed it. I put who did it? You who's who's the topic of So I put your name on all those items. Um but unfortunately that's what the when I realized I'm like this isn't the the latest one I sent you. Yeah. cuz I I sent off the first one and then that was rejected because of the minutes and then I sent it a second time. So they updated the minutes but not the the agenda. Yes.

So for I think it's best if you go over at this point because I'm not sure what it's about. But then after we get to see I feel like all the questions might be pointed to me. So then I can just take it from there and it uh I'll go down the list. Um I just we uh doctor's requesting we open up old uh old business business again for the uh 6B for Audrey just Audrey the you had your email has a different name on it by the way you messed me up so sorry I used that one when my daughter was in school so anything that popped into that I knew it was related to school I went there immediately

okay and I just kept it for you know that that's her red flag. Yeah, basically right I'm like who's this? Do you want to go and bring it up to speak?

Um yeah, so we're going to open up uh uh 6B again. Um this is Dr. David Bennett. He was the chair of the first committee for the BAB originally. Um he when when it sunseted um I created my a citizen committee. He was part of that. We did a lot of stuff. We did a lot of research. We got a lot of the background information on it and then this committee was re relived, revived. Um I then became the the chair then and I'm the chair now. Dr. Bennett recently re rejoined us. um and on his first day had an idea which we thought was all fantastic and his company is now sponsoring the the idea is to create a competition for for high school students for seismic energy a model of seismic energy that we're experiencing in the specific soil conditions that we have

kind of a science fair project so even a STEM project either one will like expand that's phenomenal

and we were going to and we were going to a token um I like call it scholastic achievement award And basically, it's to it's what I always thought. It doesn't have to be used on school. You can use it anything you want. I didn't want to give any restraints. If they want to use it for school, they're more than welcome to do it. If they like to go ahead and help put down a down payment on a car, that's just as important to me. Um, one of the things is with very, very few exceptions, science is never rewarded financially. You know, it just isn't. Now, there's Nobel Prize, of course, you know, when you get to that level. Um but you know all in all even you know our greatest there's not even a holiday for scientists and engineers who built the modern world literally built it and there's not even a holiday. So they're very they're only the ones working in the background making supercomputers that are handheld. So um any rate so I wanted to I set up three we set up three levels 500 first prize I think 300 was second prize 200 was third prize

and we're going to coordinating with the schools and the science departments and we're going to set up the criteria in which case we're not going to we're not going to handcuff these kids we're going to let them use their imagination but we're going to give them general priorities uh just explaining you know certain principles and demonstrating certain principles and obviously I don't know exactly how we're going to go ahead and judge it. I guess we'll have to find some type of some type of judgment which we haven't come up with yet. Anyway, and that and that was to do it was to do two things. One,

as you know, all science projects seem to be um shall we say, helped a lot by parents. So, parents become aware of what's going on. It's essential to to tell people what's going on. Too many people honestly believe they're still building that mall out there and that's where all the shaking is. They think they're they're they're setting up a foundation out there and there's nothing there's nothing going on. And so we want to make them understand this is what's going on. Um it's just a kind of a nice way of u getting the word out. Community awareness. Yeah. And I think it also will generate u possibly generate different um not solutions but but um evidence of of of the damages that are occurring

right. Yeah. Okay. specific to this. U there's an example of as of a phenomena called it's called liquefaction that occurs um and that's studied extensive is studied extensively already but the but the parameters of liquefaction don't exactly uh match what our condition so they run parallel but it's not the exact same thing. So it makes a good basis of of what we're doing and as far as this experiment, but uh as as far as the the exact specifications or conditions that we're dealing with, I think that's what would be interesting what what can come out

and the conditions that are that are built into the law are not the conditions that we experience because they took studies in which we had a granite foundation. That's the one from Virginia up north. And when that and what happens when the shock wave hits it, it attenuates.

Okay, we're on a we have a water table and water liquids are incompressible, which means the impact at part A is transmitted with no attenuation to point B miles away. And so, you know, what happens is is that you get the full effects of the blasts even if you're a mile, two miles away. And that's one of the things that unfortunately we can't seem to get anybody to listen to. Says the study is the study is invalid to our conditions, but they keep using it for the law. That's why they came up with a 0.5 PPV, which is great if it was attenuating, but it wasn't attenuating. I think the state would have engineers who can attest to that. It's a basic, you know,

and of course, if the state and the do, you know, didn't want to have any problems, I'm sure they would, right? I'm sorry. I'm I'm very jaded these days. I I've been I've seen too much how these things work. Um yes. So that this is actually marketing uh information that we have it's on our website. Okay. So I what I I created a little mini package to take to the schools and so I printed out from the website the front and back for these two flyers. Um one is more extensive explanation and the other one is more brief and then the other one is is the actual science experiment uh for the students. So you can have that. You can understand what we're doing. Um and it's open to anybody that's in in an affected area. Okay.

So it's not just the Miami Lake schools. Yeah. Myar definitely Myar's deck can definitely go into it. At which point if we start expanding to more schools, I'm going to try and get some sponsors out here so we could jack up this the uh Can you imagine? Well, once again, if if I see that we have other schools involved, I guarantee I can get you sponsors and we can that thousand we can double, triple it, or even 10 times. I want to join Yes. And as soon as you go back to high school, we'll let you. Or actually, I don't know. Are we living to high school? 9 through 12. It's it's high school. High school students. So, yeah. And like I said, college, you know, depending on their major.

Yeah. It can be a STEM project that eventually they can turn roll over into the science fair, but that's fine with me. I mean, they can use it for two purposes as far as I'm concerned. So, it's just one of those one of those things that I wanted to allow the young men's young people's imaginations, their mind will go. So, right now, since it's it's the inaugural year to do it, just to see what what can come out. We we um we kind of chose a single school to start. Let's see how this thing pans out. But it could evolve into a not district, but an area wide area. I mean I mean Dorado gets it from the binding they used to have. Obviously he got mirror Marley still affecting Dal. Really?

Oh yeah. Oh I haven't felt I haven't felt a blast out there in years. So cuz I think you know some right here at the front of um of um sky right by 202 and seem on the south side of Oko. No no no. I was just saying that there's school right there. Oh yeah. Yeah. So is it okay to Yeah. We you want to start approaching the science department? Yes, I would go obviously whoever the chairman of the science department is and kind of explain it. And once again, you're welcome to invite, you know, either of us if you want. I mean, like I said, I'm semi-retired these days, so I can, you know, I can I have time on my schedule. But yeah, so that's what that is. So

any any thoughts, questions or No, no. This this I I think I mean science you can't go wrong there and it's quantifiable and it's it's not you know out there. It's not arbitrary. it's oh grief you know and so but no

one of the things that came out um which I think it's it's it's pertinent to this um when I was in Tallahassee now and day days state represio got us a meeting with the lobbyists of the mining association um to myself and councilman hersburg and he his introduction to us to state that our complaints they're not ill-founded but they're exaggerated According to him, he says, "Stuckle cracks." Come on, guys. Let's get real. And I quote, "Stuckle cracks." There's a reason for stuckle to crack, right? Like whatever it's attached to. An

object at rest will remain at rest and external remain in motion unless acted upon by an external force. Physics physics, you know, the basis of physics. Um, so stating something like this, this is what they're pushed uh on is being pushed in Tallahassee. they're exaggerating exaggerating and it it kind of just you know it it undermines what what we're going through.

Um and um and it it's in my opinion it shows sheer ignorance on their side. Um you know we're talking about attorneys. They're not scienceminded. Uh and they don't see what occurs and and they don't realize or recognize what what is actually happening. They're looking at at at their own agenda and at their uh level, if you will. Um, and it it it's a shame. I mean, it's it's a shame. I think the whole world would be a better place if if everybody can recognize.

I have to very important. The limestone is an essential product. We're not I don't want to see them out of business. We just want them to attenuate their blast. That's all we're asking. You know, it it is absolutely essential. You can't I mean, with all the building going on around the state, they see force and force as a threat. Well, if if well, if they were to use the hydrodnamic mining operations, it would take longer, which means their profit margins would go down and I guess the the price per ton would have to go up and the number one purchaser of limestone is FDOT. See the problem? Yeah.

But then again, you look at the overpasses and what have you. Has anyone really checked to see if there's any effect? Every two years are expected to say that any any signs of Yeah. And and the reason is that the engineering of of an overpass is designed for movement. So it absorbs the it is because once again it has an oscillation effect. Show the Tacoma bridge uh video. You remember you the one with the what that was Washington. That one's cool. That one's cool.

That's that's the classic physics uh engineering fiasco. It's in Tacoma, Washington. And there was the suspension bridge and it was built beautifully to the specifications and then they had a nice wind come through and it started oscillating and it just so happens the length of the bridge was exactly the wavelength of the wave. So after the wave went down it came back and reflected back and building up until eventually it the bridge collapsed and it was just a classic example of uh engineering you know where they didn't they didn't think about everything everything right

they t put a car on it. Yes, they put a car on for reference. And one other thing just is as a little side note, then we'll continue. Apollo 6, Apollo 6, the um the engines for the first time based on this, the Saturn 5 rocket just happened to be the frequency of the rocket itself. So, as it was taking off, the vibrations of the first stage started oscillating up and down. And it oscillated to the point that they would have to have aborted the launch if a human was up there. And all they did Yeah. All they did is they place quote unquote accumulators in the engine blocks uh basically. Yeah. You know, like a damn shock absorber.

Yeah. Shock absorbers to take it to to neutralize it. But I mean it caused a whole bunch of things. It caused uh lines to break. It caused other engines to fail. It was hilarious. And it was just because by coincidence the the length of the rocket was the same frequency as the vibration that was being generated, which is bizarre. Yeah. A little FYI awkward. inch. No, lift that up. Yeah, six. Apollo 6. We love it. That was an unmanned flight. Getting back to Yes, back to our work. I'm sorry. I digress. On our agenda 7B, uh the review of the the 2024 the BAB opinion. Um I don't have a copy of it, so I don't know what it was.

That's why I put the link. It's 75 pages long. Oh, I can't link the the opinion tonight. Yeah. Okay, I can go to any page. Can you give me the the conclusion statement? It um there was uh I think seven topics in it uh if I recall correctly take to do and and on there number of weeks. Wow. Okay. So, this is the website. Okay.

All right. So, and just to bring you up to speed as well, um this is Edwin [ __ ] He's requests to add to the agenda and and this item it's um the review of the opinion docu the the blasting word opinion and determine the status of the comments status of comments. I don't you want to explain that? I just wanted to know like when when are we scheduled to produce an updated one because like when we submitted the report to the commissioner or sorry the county the the mayor committee

the committee report that was done from one day to another. So I gave like really no one in the committee time to look at the document. So this is what I was asking this document was meant for 2024. Like how long did it take? Like how long how many meetings did you guys have? This is written by an attorney. Oh, sorry. We won't be doing something like that anytime soon. Yeah, none of us have the capacity to talk what this what Stephen Hersburg did. Well, the one thing I want to mention about this is that the word or complaints wasn't really mentioned as much as I thought it would be. What do you mean a complaint? Like complaints listed in the report?

Yeah, like no, the word the word complaints. just the word cuz like when we put complaints on the website I think that's like the driving factor for the town or anyone having issues with glass which is the word wasn't used that's why I was like I wasn't used like I want to say in 24 I don't remember that was the year that Rudy was chair right and I was always chair that's secretary

so as involved as um Miguel has always stayed there was a period of time I think in that year specifically that he was not as involved that the the nature behind that opinion we we didn't use the data we use today about the complaints that didn't exist until you got involved we didn't have a way to display

the true um um data surrounding the website that you grab this stuff from Right. The mission that year, and I'm not going to call it mission statement. I'm saying the overarching theme that year was increasing awareness and other priorities. We at during that time did like um different community activations like go out to HOAs, encourage them to file complaints. So maybe that's why you didn't find the word complaint to be so prevalent. But this was prepared by an attorney who was very specifically giving an opinion on the board based on where he wanted the direction like a summary of what had been done and where we should direct our efforts to. And then from there it moved on to 2025 opinion which the 2025 opinion had a whole different theme. Um and although these are

not opinion but but u avenue right right but I think we called them every time like board opinions right but that but what he's referring to is something specific that was done by by Steven Herszburg it was like in the website is on the um the board looks like yeah but this was done more than once oh 2024 it was done more than once um whether it's on the website or not I can't verify that because I I don't remember. But we don't do this. That was done on those given years because there was an attorney that volunteered and did it. Uhhuh. So, can it be something that's rehashed?

I think that's amazing. But who possesses the the skill set? I have to digress because I'm not an attorney. But but I think it it was a great way. And then they would present that to the board and it would kind of be like a summary of our findings where we want to go for the next year and then the council would provide their opinion on whether or not they agree or disagree and for the most part they always agreed with us in the past and um it was voted unanimously uh approving the the the recommendation on that. Um I'll have to read it and summarize and again I don't recall I heard it but the final step was a lawsuit to the state. Mhm.

Uh the final recommendation was a lawsuit to the state. That lawsuit uh um the the town's attorney actually retained the services of of a consultant attorney in Tallahassee regarding the standing of the town to do to file this type of lawsuit. It was found that the town does not have standing to file this type of lawsuit because the lawsuit is specific to the constitutionality of a state law. So it's like you telling your parent how to how to raise you like me telling Dr. Ben how to fix my teeth. That's okay. I've done that. I've done that many a time.

Um so for that reason the town did not have standing for the to do this. They could do it and more than likely will be shot down as as you know as a moot point without standing. Yeah. It gets dismissed. So they want you to file individual lawsuits. Every person wants to do an individual. If we can get get rid of that that committee doa DOA get rid of DOA that DOA has a civic use. This isn't it. Yeah. Yeah. Um so that lawsuit then has now evolved in that there are four private parties uh plaintiffs for that lawsuit. So the lawsuit is is continuing. Um it's just not through the town any longer which is a shame.

All right. That that was the the big item of the these recommendations. lawsuit going by through the house. Yeah. Well, that was that was the with the opinion using that as the foundation for the lawsuit is what

and yeah, that's why I was like when I was reading it, it was like more related for that like legal and in my head when I came to the board and I presented the report that I that I intentionally put claims on the report. So, I wanted you guys to tell me what to put and the first thing you guys said was put my complaints, right? Which made sense. It didn't click in my head. That makes sense. So when I read that, which I didn't read, I want to listen to that. First thing I did was control find complaints because I wanted to go I didn't want to read every page. I wanted to go to the section where we talked about complaints. I'll go with evidence. So it might not be part of you know in my side. I was like I was really the purpose of the report.

I did see the complaint put in once and it was placed on the top of a paragraph kind of like they just put it in there like they wrote a fancy paragraph and they said, "Hey, the entire the entire writeup is very focused." Yeah. By the way, the the lawsuit itself is the complaint. That is specifically what it is. All lawsuits complaint. Yeah. A specific comp the complaint complaint. Correct. Correct. But but in this case, the spec the spec specific specificity thank you say of this is the unconstitutionality of the exist of the current law set. Okay. Uh, and it's a stat, a specific statute that is a cloak of protection to the minors. And that's what this lawsuit is to remove that cloak,

which they didn't have until 2000 when Jeb signed it away as a last little item on the 2000 agenda that he did. Actually embedded on on um tractor trailers driving on I95, right? And that was also the same that that got rid of the inspection stations for your cars. Yeah. You don't remember being had take your car for an inspection in 2000? I I'm a Johnny from Ley. Okay. Yeah. They used to take your car in and make sure the tailpipe was within specs. The inspection breaks when they had no inspections down here. Yes. Well, in 2000 2000 it ended and you had to get your annual inspection that they don't do that anymore. Pass the inspection.

And now you can see the what's on the road driving by you at 90 mph. You mean when you're gasing? Yes. That too. Well, the one with the three spare tires and the mini spares and the one regular tire spinning down the I95, but checks your brakes, checks your horn. There we go. Exhaust, all that stuff. So, all right. So, moving summarize that. Well, are you satisfied then? Yeah, we can't we can't nothing to do with this. All right. Like that's just like a a point of reference that we use to continue um research or Yeah. initiatives for moving on to uh 7 C requesting a marketing campaign flow diagram. Yeah,

I was going to do it but I that's why I created these questions. So I think when he's by answering these questions I can do the diagram and I presented an example of a diagram what what are you mentioning? Um we have a it was a marketing department right? So in my head I want to have it documented as far as how to handle that department. What do we what something comes in? What's department? No, we do. I'm sorry. I'm so confused. I just don't know what we're marketing as a community. No, it's like because you were in charge of marketing before, right?

Previously. I mean, I I wouldn't even say previously. I've always handled all the marketing that all the marketing requests that come I've always handled. Yeah. So, the in my head I I need to um document as far as like what is what do you do? Like if I want to go look at the photos that were submitted or anything that was submitted for marketing, uh I can't why how do I go? There's a QR code right there. Where where do you have another one? I'm sorry. Can I borrow that one second? Thank you. They're like all over the resource.

Yeah, but that's that's something for the public to have. Well, QR codes are for you, too. Anything that comes to us is bundled. Everything is on the Google. So everything you have is in there. Everything. You don't has to be has to be this public record. This has there's no privacy. There's there's a 19. There's like 119. All of this has to Well, the reason why I say is because like I haven't really seen any documentation as far as like we have this number of pictures or we have any or we're using this for this. Just just there. Okay. And if you want to see what marketing materials are available, they're on the website in the resources tab and they're all linked right there. Yeah, that's where I got the talk.

Every single deliverable I have ever produced is right here. So you don't have anything saved anywhere cuz that's the impression that I had when we talked about part of the car. I don't understand your question to be quite honest. I I don't have what saved any additional photos. Yeah. If I took the same photo twice, the drive only has it once. Or like home visits. I'll I'll take that. You're asking if I did what? Like I read anything. Whenever I've done home visits, they've been discussed within the committee and they've been placed in the minutes of that meeting. So like for example, Felicia sent me an email saying um that Orelvi was a resident concerned about blah blah blah.

I called him, he called me a couple times. I invited him to come to the meeting today. He is here. He presented us with the information. He is giving us his address. He's giving us his email. We'll keep the communication open. Um, how do we keep that communication open if you're done here? Literally everything we discuss here is public record. No. When we are done here, the entire public that has access to our website will have his first and last name, his email address, and a summary of everything he said today.

Yeah, but that's in the minutes. I'm saying like as a report like as like, hey, it says a summary of all the people who have come to the board. And that's for the that's where you get it. But that's the minutes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But it's not consolidated. I don't think anything like that exists. No, for any of our committing exists there. No, you got you got the video. So we can't consolidate it like the other. I mean that that that's how it's done. No like into one report. You have to keep updating that report if that's the case.

But why work twice when you can go specifically to find cuz it's not documented anywhere that how many people came here like we have for like a summary. Well, well, once again, in the minutes, it lists the people that are here, guests, and so on. And so, why don't you guys take a vote on if you want to

explain what they asked was if we can get these questions answered. If I can get these questions answered, I can create the flow diagram that I'm trying to do because that would I think that would create a better picture for anybody coming into the team. Anybody we're trying to duplicate this or to show somebody else, hey, this is how you handle people coming in. This is how you connect with the the house based on these documents. This is how you use it. This is how you compose a flyer based using these documents together. I think that can be documented into one or two pages. Uh the summary I I don't again I don't see the the I don't see the intent. Let's go back. So who benefits from this report?

In what way? Obviously we're all confused. So we can utilize the resources. The resources are available to everybody. And the way one of these resources gets produced is because we converse in the committee and we say, "Hey, Fourth of July, we have an event. We want a new flyer that highlights this, this, and this." Let's say we're not going to repurpose one of these, and we want a brand new one. It is public record. Everything that's discussed here, I'm going to say, "Okay, perfect. What content do you want? What's the call to action? What do you guys want? We're going to vote on it. You guys are going to approve it. I'm gonna produce the flyer. I'm gonna email it to Noah. Noah's going to put it on the website and Noah's gonna print the 50 copies we need for the Fourth of July event.

And every email is viewable by the public. Every email you send to me is public information. Mhm. Crosses this line. That's it. Yeah. So if there's a photo or anything, it doesn't get lost. It can be tracked. Easy. Be careful what you send them. What you are those on? You got these soon? Yeah, there he has. Yeah, if this doesn't seem like it's Is there a library then? Probably. He's asking. I'm trying to Yeah, I'm Is there a library that if I were to go in for example examples of documents submitted

those cracks I have on my website there? Is there where he could type and it brings up things like this? No. Okay. understand these images are coming from my personal library first of all. Oh, okay. That is the and what I share is is accessible what you're saying but I'm not sharing my library. I I'm just sharing all of it. Right. Right. Once I I I shift it to here this gets this is public. My library is not. Gotcha. Right.

And using that same stuff as an example. Right. So I mean that was produced years ago when I first got involved in the committee. Miguel at the time was probably the chair. Those images we discussed it in the meeting. Those images went through the proper channels. That person who was sitting there emailed it to me. I produced the flyer. Then I brought it to the meeting. Then I said, "Hey guys, this is what I produced. What do you think? Do you like it? Yes or no?" I make changes live in most of our meetings. and I go changing them because I'm not a blasting uh scientific expert like these two are. So, I may address some of the things. I may fix some of the labels on the images because there's something that's more aligned. We will then discuss it again.

It will be approved and then eventually it'll make its way to the website. So, if you're requesting that there be almost like um uh you you want an outline of our processes and you want an outline of our I can create the outline. I understand it in my head. If you guys want to teach me that like the process like like I can create the flow diagram. There is no process.

There's a request where somebody says I want a flyer. Franchesca produces it. It's like the I don't need to have a marketing title in the committee to know that everybody knows that the value I bring to this table is I do the marketing. So I don't I don't have like a tangible list of deliverables to give you um because it's just never been done.

Okay. I guess I can go to my next point so I so I can kind of like make sense of it. U if you go to the diagram that I have um because that's the whole point from this diagram. Um, in this diagram here, what we're showing is the current status of the blast scene. What's happening or that's what I'm trying to show. So, if you guys can help me fix it, that'd be great. Or if you guys can say, hey, this is what it looks like, then that's fine. Um, but here, what I did is I grabbed the historical data that we have, not the most recent data, and these are the names listed in the historical data set, which means basically it's already been vetted by them, by the state. Here are the different uh minings that we have. uh which we always talk about as far as White Rock SX the the big names but then we also got the blasters right which is not talked about really I haven't heard of Dino or Awesome Powder or JG explosives talked about at all

excuse me just for a second Marshall would have every complaint that they received with named address and everything we could probably request a CD or whatever the equivalent is a file it's online I know but we could probably find me a downloadable file that you might let him know because it's got it's got the the I'm just satisfying his database. In other words, I think the data is there and it's readily accessible and if he wants to some way organize it in some way, I more power to you. At first, I don't know how this is gerine to what we do. That's the bottom line.

You have you guys have different committee members that come in and they don't really know how to look at how to help or like what to do. So, I think that this is gives them an idea of like what the process is. So they know how to connect the two dots. Bringing my my example back to the bottom part here. Um there's seismologists, there's blasting firms, right? So as a blasting firm does the blast and the blasting firms work in different quarteries. They can blast in semics or they can blast in rock. So it's not really the the problem might not be why

right? So that's but you can't really get that understanding from coming to the board meetings. You have to have to research and know that. And in my head is you don't have time to come and research and know that when you come here. We go on to fasttrack people to get to helping us. That's what that's what I'm thinking. So you basically it's an educational document for like intended for who now us new members people members. Yeah. Not for the public. This is for us. Everything we do is for the public. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just trying to say, so you want to set this up so that a new member would say, "Okay, here's how it works to get me up to speed." That's what you're going for. I I I don't know.

And I say this because me in person, I've been here for over a year and I don't really know what's happening as far as the communication goes. Like there's communication here happening outside the board, which makes sense. You guys don't want to vote on things. It's great. What do you mean? Oh, no. It's not happening outside the board. What does that mean? I've been here already over a year and I do not know what happens as far as like how do we make decisions to um to create these flyers or do we have time to validate everything is in the flyer. You literally just said how we talk about it here. I know your comment. No, no, no. Let's backtrack cuz your comment was that conversations happen outside of this meeting board. So therefore, you're accusing someone or us of breaking sunshine.

No, no. Last time you said that if you don't it's not for a vote. You guys can talk and you guys can meet. It has nothing to do with the boat. Sweetie, you need to read through the sunshine guidelines so that you can truly understand what conversations need to happen here and which conversations are okay to have side conversations about cuz once we voted on something and I feel like you should elaborate here once we voted on something isn't it okay to have a conversation right anything that's going to come to a vote you must you must discuss only in committee and not outside committee that's that's That's under that's the the gist of it. Now, believe me, the things I've seen the whole chapter. It's ridiculous.

But essentially, that's it. There are no outside communications. I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't have time for outside communications. But yeah, and as far as how she we basically ask, hey, could you make a flyer representing this? She does. It's for four people, so we can we can streamline it. We're not a huge committee. So, in the time that you guys meet here or meet here, you guys have time to validate all that and and do Anytime any time I've produced a marketing deliverable that answer is yes. We haven't had enough time to to I haven't produced any new market. No like certain documents that we have did this during our last meeting. This is the the the the competition. She produced it here. You wrote all that while we were talking.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't you see me? You even we put it up on the screen and everybody voted on it. Yeah. Yeah. But what I'm saying is there was no way that we had enough time to read all that before we discuss

because we chose not to read it because we brought it up to discussion. We went through every single point. Then somebody made a motion, somebody second it and somebody voted on it. So if your vote to that was yes, then shame on you if you feel that that's not appropriate to pass because you didn't read it. See, I read it. I wrote it. I said yes. He felt that he read it. He was okay with voting yes. David maybe he voted yes under pressure but he still voted yes. So what are we talking about here? Anything that is requested if it's prior to the point of the meeting we bring it up to the table to approve it and bring it to a vote. If it is done in the moment of the meeting like the science fair project thinging was done. We reviewed it on the screen. We brought it to a vote and it was unanimously approved. If my memory serves me right. So like

I even said I was impressed of the speech you did this. What you're seeing what are we talking about? After vote we basically have it clear that No, this she presented this. You presented this. He created it and we voted on it and this is the finished product. So you can go there and you can find the finished product. Correct. We put it up on the projector too. Yeah. So not only did we see it but anybody watching the meeting also saw it. Yeah. They can see they can see us on the screen. Yeah. Um, absolutely. Yeah. They have the live feed. Oh, you're on to Congratulations. Well, on YouTube, I guess close enough. I think it's like the desktop view. So, anything that's in frame, they see. Okay.

Yeah. And I mean, yeah. I mean, she kudos. I couldn't take notes that fast myself and I I went through eight years of this stuff. So, is there any reason why we don't talk about the blessing firms or the seismologists here? You mean talk about who is the seismologist or and as far as they the well we did discuss the firms we as I he said most of the firms were willing to speak to him except for white rock because apparently that was the black sheep of the blasting whatever it is I mean I don't know what whatever whatever I don't remember the exact word the the uh yeah I don't in New Jersey we call it the redheaded stepchild which is it's basically the child the the prom child is what the guy

most of the blasting firm spoke with him and then of course they when Black Rockck came up they they didn't want to discuss and that's Miguel de Brande probably I don't know if he's still the attorney there or not no so Dino or Boston also up there

Dell is still there um as a matter of fact a lot of these people presented at the workshop that that state created last year um or the year before um and they they they created a panel to present to a to the subcommittee. Uh I was invited, Stephen Hsburg was invited and we spoke. My my presentation was censored and all images and videos were removed from my presentation. Yeah. Okay. And then the entire video the whole meeting was removed from their website which we found out and we got it back on. So you can go now and see the video.

Yeah. Except except your whole presentation was Yeah. Yeah. Right into the which is which is once again it was on the agenda. How do they get that? How do they do that? No, you have because you have to submit anything that's going to be on the agenda is just says Miguel Martine is going to speak. The actual presentation you need to submit it. But don't you have to give a package with your what you're going to talk about. Correct. You need to submit it no later than 24 uh 24 hours in advance and it gets reviewed to make sure that it's not something to be censored that inappropriate or something. That is when when the items were removed. Wow. Yeah. Can we show the background real quick? Uh, sure. Which which one? I think I sent up the the I can scroll down when we needed. No, that was good.

Okay. Yeah, because the questions No, to the diagram. What's the actual diagram? Yeah, because the the diagram. Yeah, it's in the agenda. Scroll down. See? No, I didn't see it in the agenda personally. Well, it was, but that was the agenda that didn't make that last done this, right? Yeah, I know. But it didn't I don't think it got there. This is what he was talking about that. No, I have it. And he wants to put it on the screen. I'm hoping it be there, right? It's going to take the last paper. Couple minutes. Couple minutes. I got to put it into a phone. While he does that, since we can all see it, what what are we looking at?

What I want to do is I want to create um like a timeline. I'm not ter basically between the house bill um and any action that we're taking like for example work times or uh how long we how much work are we putting into to get something done that's what I want to do how many house bills we have ever talked about here u list them basically u and to be like this is how much time we're spending u and this is how much results we're getting um so we can like say with this

house bill as in what Fabricio is is being submitted. So he submits a bill every every session that he's been elected. Um and each time he submitted that bill does not get heard in committee. I want to I want to so you went historical float a flowchart. You want to say representative Fabricio did House Bill 1 2 3 4 5. It got it going into this committee insurance committee and there it stopped. Yeah. To go to this committee while you're presenting it to the Well, I don't want to waste my time. Like I don't want to do something. I want you're asking us to waste our time.

Well, that's readily available. Well, I want to I want to bring you up here so I can say if we're going to talk about it in the next meeting or not because if you guys don't want to hear it, then like I'm not going to do it. What is your No, no. Like what I'm saying like I'm one of my goal is I'm going to go with this diagram. I'm I'll just see bring this diagram every day every time I come here and I'm going to have the house bills. Uh I'm going to have um like the the flow of like how we're connecting back like this gentleman that came in today. What are we going to do about it? Like is it going to be Nino going to send out like just a line basically? And you're going to want all the cities input too that too. I mean all the all the affected cities also be put into your

well it's general because this is a state. So like in the in the diagram everything is belongs within the state. Not really the city because we can't really take any action as far as like it's a huge database. I can just see it right now. getting the complaints from the fire marshall alone. Well, you're asking I think I think you need to look at the ROI. Um, that's what we're looking for because I want to understand the current return on investment the ROI because the investment of time that you're looking at to to to create this archive that you want to do archive. Yeah. Um, I think is astronomical. Isn't it just like a Google search and just put in the you tell me that's what

what you present at the next meeting a proposed diagram. Yeah, I want to uh this is my so from here I want to grow it. So that's why I wanted to bring it first. So you want to know what well once again we always encourage if you have something that use I just don't know how much you're going to be able to use it for. But so what you need now is the data packets about the which complaints were made by who and from from the locations and then you want to know who's involved with the blasting. You want to know who the engineers are that set up are I already have a a reservoir to take out the data from the state. I already have that data. Okay.

But in my side is more of like creating like um like diagrams of what we're going to do. If we tackle the complaints, if we promote focus our marketing strategies into complaints, how is that going to impact our house? How would we do that? Just out of curiosity, would we contact each of the complainers specifically and say, "Hey, yeah, you made a complaint. We we thank you for your service. Um would you like to help us out?" No, not not at all. Like this gentleman came here today and he was gonna he gave us our easy email. We never have to contact him again. We just have to see if his email comes out on the system again. Well, we have all those in the meeting the meeting minutes. That's what I'm saying. But if I create a diagram here that that's what we're going to do or that's what we're doing. That is what's not right. But I want to document it to the diagram.

Okay. I think it's it's it's power to you. Yeah. I again I think I I I I give you free reign. I'd like to make I'd like to make a a motion to let him go ahead and generate the diagram for our next meeting. Um, if you could get to us, get it to the town clerk prior to this so we can review it because I think it's going to be pretty extensive. I'd appreciate that. Are are you on LinkedIn? No. Okay. I I strongly encourage you to several items. I I cancel my LinkedIn account. I mean, I strongly encourage you to get on LinkedIn. There's a lady by the name of Hope Reynolds. Um, and she has created a deposit. Exactly.

A history. Yeah. Right. We're talking about from the 70s to today. Right. It's just that in my head from data like to me that's a lot of words. Hope is my end result like this. Yeah. The background is what what she so it's like for people to like look at this and then go and do their own research. If you go to her her her she created a group for for us and if you go to the original posting of of hers the very first post it's an outline with direct links to each article that we've all submitted to her and and I and so what you're asking for the work is done already diagram is not done not the diagram

but the the database there information why don't we just I'm sure hope would accept she's got a an email we just sent give her the What's I I see this as a resident project. I don't see this as a fab project. No, that's just my opinion. That's what I'm

because I have personal projects that I do for my myself, right? um to where I engage with the community and I think that this is what I would think is a personal resident community task which is what hope has done. Um David Bennett made a page on Facebook lasting victims seeking justice and if you become a member of that on it um you you could find a lot of the information that I have all the friends I have done. So any any information that that I come up with on my own I post it there. I've also done it on next door and on next door it's easy because you could say blasting do a query blasting with three exclamation marks. it will show you all the postings that I've done and that's my tagline. So I put blasting three exclamation marks and what the topic is and then I and I give a full explanation of what it is and I will tell you and I think it's the the the what your background what you're missing or you're trying to get to where I base my stuff on and what we're discussing here is the the the amount of erroneous information that was published and shared and and spread because gossip loves company and that's what spread like hot like like wildfire and I was fed up with that when I created my my own committee uh we did a lot of investigations and we can get into that at another date um including science um a study of the tune of $57,000 study was paid for by an attorney in the group um and a lot of the science was based on that so a lot of information that I share I am allowed to share I was I was uh given permission to to to share. So that's where my basis is coming from. I cannot divulge the entire report. That's I'm not allowed to do that. I have it. I can't do that though.

But we but there was a reported available to remember when Bovo ordered up that uh the blasting u review study. Bovo did it when he was the respect. The respect study. The respect study. Thank you. You're talking about respect study. Yeah. And that that was actually one of my starting points. Respec. Uh that was paid by the state. Um, but it was through Bobo Manny Diaz. I guess she did it. Manny Diaz because that's Josh Das, uh, Kate Alvarez and Okay. I forget who else was on the committee that reviewed it. Okay.

My house is one of the properties that was used on the Reesequ study and and they the the the engineers that came to my house to install the devices educated me on how to identify and my initial education how to identify seismic damage. They're the ones that discovered cracks in my house. um the uh hairline cracks that start on the openings where openings got torsioned. Now, my background is in construction as an I'm an architect or an architecture. Being in construction, most people don't understand what a tie column is, lateral forces, and what what a uh she's an architect as well,

dear. So you there's a um a canal lever effect and and all these different things in in in structures that we have to study and I am able to apply it. Most people don't know what I'm talking about. They don't know what they're looking at. So I not tooting my own horn, but I but I've developed a knack because I'm actually was never a public speaker to educate the public to put in layman's terms so they can understand what they're looking at, what a step crack is and what what um why that the crack starts on one corner of the house and and goes at the bottom the base of the wall. What is that?

So it's a hinge effect. You know, we can get into fenestration. We can get into the the details of architecture, but I'm over you guys. So I I lose my effect of of educating if I can't discuss something with you. So I've brought it down to rudimentary levels so people can understand what is it that we're looking at. These images the this is actually my own neighbor's house. This is a view from from that's his fence. That's my neighbor's house. Okay. I took all these pictures. Um this this is from Aragon and Halia Gardens. Um, this is in PSN. So, I've taken these.

They did a real nice job fixing it up now, by the way. So, I've taken these images myself. I have a 80 gig hard drive or a drive in my computer with all this information. I I only what I share here is what I shared. I haven't shared my hard drive. You're not going to get that. There's a motion on the on the table. move forward. So, but thank you.

No, I want we want to we want to I want to share with you your ROI, what you're asking for. I don't think your return on investment that you're going to get what you're looking for and what what you're what you're profering to us is is the true definition. Don't get don't take it wrong, but of sheer ignorance, innocent ignorance is what I call. It's lack of knowledge of something and you want to get it all. It's not going to happen. I am not a marketing person. She is. I'm not a background science scientist. He is. You're not in construction. I am. You know, you're engineering. I can't do what you did in your thing. So, I I'm um as a chair, I can tell you one thing that I've done to make a strong committee is is use each person's strength and build on it. So I'm beyond appreciative beyond impressed and appreciative of what you have done with the um with the the the data uh set is is it blows me away quite honestly. But understand that you you will not be able to obtain all the information of all the components that make up a committee. A committee strength is not by the weakest person. It's the strength of everybody combined. And everybody is to do something. you know, put an effort in. Like I said, you've done your part.

I feel like and I appreciate it. I'm appreciative of it. Um, so Noah has to do his part. We're waiting for him, but we're not going to get there. It's okay. For which part? He's just like I try to do

uh everybody has to do their part to make a strong committee. When you when when you don't do your part, then that is the weak link. Um, so again, I think what you're asking for is is a culmination of everybody's mind into something and I I don't see that happening. I see it as a waste of your time. Um, I'm I will tell you as the chair, I will not put the committee up on onto that task because that that's it's a waste of time. Like whenever I've gone to different companies to work for, there's always SOPs and there's always like this is how you should handle your position. And like to me like I I felt that that's what like the bare minimum they would be trying to do for board members, right?

Like when I came in it was only brought to my attention like go to this link, go over there, you know, and like I read the flyer, the 2024 flyer, and it was very detailed legally. Yeah. So it's like that's why I was trying to figure out why we have to like bring it down a level. Yeah. H um Yeah. So for the for the diagram here, who pays the seismograph readers? The mining company. This the official seismograph reader is done by the by the state mandates the the mining company

the licensed engineer does does read and report. And with the our efforts, Manny Diaz created a law um had it created it a bill and approved into law that the m that the seismograph uh company not be associated with the mining company itself because who pays them? Manny Diaz. Manny Diaz pays them Junior. No, no. The the blasting company still has to pay the outside engineers, but they can't be they can't be inside the company. They have to be an an outside an outside that has probably PP.

What was happening was White Rock was renting an office uh to to um for the name of the company they had right now, but the the company that they were using was renting an office inside White Rock's office. Um which in all t purposes, you're paying me and I'm paying you with the rent. That's a conflict. So, this did away with that. Um, what is unknown to people is that company bought out a company in Atlanta. So, the qualifier is still the same person, but the name of the companies is is a separate name now. And that's how they're getting away with it right now.

Okay. Do we want to report on blasters or seismologists or do you want to keep the the the reports at the mining level? It's it's I my opinion it's irrelevant. the the the we are not going after a legal entity of generating this report. The responsible party is the miners. So I don't I don't see why we have to do with deal with the the the entity creating the the engineer in other words. Yeah. I was just bringing it up because that's what the data that the Jeff is his name because the main the main difference between E, right? He's a P. He's a P.

Yeah, if he's a P, he's sanctioned by the state. the main the main difference between the previous data and what we have now is that those data sets right there they basically got put it into a PDF right so basically with the new data set they made it harder for us to review the data that's why does and that was the primary column data set that they were giving us before blaster in seismologist oh and I was like why is that now the new data set they decided to put that inside of PDF where it's harder to get Yeah, the uh you're saying the data that that you're you're analyzing or not analyzing but but regurgitating

like was really weird like why is it that I have to go like I was able to get it but I have to go through a lot of steps uh to get that PPV that that is submitted. All right. So I don't think I think that's by design my opinion but moving along then you have the goal. It says what is the goal? What was the goal while the head while I can't speak today? What was the goal while the the the being the head of marketing? What was the goal while being the head of marketing? What was what was your goal? I never knew I was the head of marketing.

Yeah. There you go. I don't really understand like what's like do we want to market the BAB as were assets to the to the house to the state? We're trying to push things asset to the town of Miami Lakes. That's we are a resource for the town of Miami. That's it. And that's as far and that's as far as it is. So then why are you trying to tell? If if the BAB was not here, could the state do anything? Could the state still pass things and get things moving along if the BAB was not existent? The the state one thing to do with the other,

right? The state does whatever they want. Uh we do we became lobbyists um with teamed with a state representative that's assisting us because prior to the state representative, we didn't have any support um supporting us. obvious. As a matter of fact, there are state representatives today in the area that support the miners and say this doesn't exist that it, you know, if some of the meetings we've had in Tallahassee have been no joke. I mean, they're the eye openener to me that that it actually exists. State representatives from South Park here. Yes. Yeah. They live they they're affect they're in affected communities and they deny they've got drywall cracks and they say I don't know about that.

Slam the door to the park, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I have I have a plastic jumping on the bed. Yeah. I have a entrance into my kitchen. There's no door, but I got the crack right up the beside the wall. So, yeah. I slammed the door too hard. It's gone now, right? Yeah. But yes. So they're they're receiving funds and and so they say yeah I think he needs so we used to do this thing that when a new committee member came on board they would meet with the chair and before you were a committee member you'd meet with the chair you'd get a download of information historical stuff what we're doing up until this point

he would identify how he could see your work being of value for the for the committee. Um, which is how I got recruited to be here, right? I think a lot of this Your head was spun out there, by the way.

No, I I was definitely spun, but it was very informative to determine whether or not the mission of the story and the object objectives of representing this topic aligned with me as a person. And I think that because you didn't get that coming in, you might be a little confused as to like certain things discussed and he's lacking a lot of background information like the purpose of the opinions and stuff like that. And I think that you bring a lot of great value to this table. Absolutely.

But your your questioning certain things is seen as if you feel that some people are not fulfilling the responsibilities that they should because your responsibilities are so clear like you're producing a report on a weekly basis or a monthly basis or a quarterly basis whatever the frequency is. So I think there should be a meeting of the minds that happens where all of this background information is downloaded into Edwin's head so that he understands like how we got to where we are today. I know it was super valuable for me. I mean, if you don't think it's valuable, you don't have to. This is just my suggestion. Um,

you can't do it now because the sunshine. Well, only if you're going to vote on something. You can talk about what would historically what happened. Okay. No, it's like like I said, there's nothing you're going to telling him that we're going to be voting on. You give him the background. Just background. Basically, we like our discussion prior, you'd actually be sworn in, right? So I think you remember when you first started I I said you missed out if you recall. I guess I just came from like Tallahassee and stuff. No, no, no. When you the day you started here, the first day you came in here and I said you didn't meet with me. You missed out. Oh, I just I just avoided. You've already done this twice. Oh, come on. I'm a veteran.

I'm a veteran. I've got the scars to [ __ ] prove it. M um so what I'm going to do is cuz I'm hypoglycemic and I don't feel like painting in the middle of his meeting and I will be leaving in a few minutes. Okay. I'm going to go through all your questions and I'm going to answer them from my perspective. Okay.

What is the goal of the head of marketing? I didn't know we had one. Anytime there's a marketing request, I gladly fulfill it. So if there's a new request, please make me aware and I will gladly complete it. Regarding photos, how many photos, videos have been submitted? Where are the photos and videos saved? Can anyone in the BAB committee access the photos and videos? Can we send a thank you email to reach each person after submitting photos and videos? In my time on this committee, I have only been to two residences in all the years. Okay? I've talked to many people who complain about damages, say that they want me to do things and what actually pre- properties. I'm sorry, I missed out the highlight gardens. So, the connection is made and sometimes when people when I offer like, "Hey, can I go take videos and can I go take um uh pictures, they automatically um uh remove their request or their offer because a lot of people do work without permits and they think it's like a m misconception. They think that if I go to pictures that someone is going to report their efficiency or you know the gazillion illegal things we have here in South Florida. So in my all my years I've been to three houses. I took pictures of all of them. They're reflected on all our marketing materials. They're reflected on the resources page on the Google Drive and all the places that you have access to through the three QR codes. There's a

care. We went over photos. House visits. I already touched on. Why do we do house visits? Because people requested. Sorry, interrupt. Is that something that like um I guess obviously you guys approved. Yeah, we're going to go do house visits, but no. House visits are something I do as a resident in my community. Courtesy. As a courtesy, how many house visits have been completed? Three. Do we send the thank you email uh after gathering? No, I do that in person. You do that in person? Okay. Also, we're not really gathering evidence.

We're not gathering because in my head in Am I the photographs is just we're reporting what's there. Evidence implies that there's a cause effect. All we can do is see the effect. We don't know the cause. We suspect what the cause is and that's what we're trying to push for. Okay? So, all we're seeing is the results of uh you know of basically structural failure. That's all we can see. What I see is like I see a a resident that comes to us and how often has somebody come and given you something, right? And then that was the last time that they did anything about it, right? Oh, I did my due. I came and complained, right? I'm no longer going to follow through. I'll complain online or I'm no I did what I I could do. That was the end the road.

Right. On their side. On their side. Right. Right. So, it's more of the lines of um that's why I wanted to tie in that connection of like somebody comes in, we did something about it, we we document not just in the minutes because in my head the minutes are very um they're lost in in time versus the report or consolidated things together. That's that's why I was like I didn't want that person to leave here. And and just a side note and not to be argumentative with you, but what when you create this document, this living document that it'll be beyond impressive. It's going to be a Bible what you're going to be writing. Yeah. Who's going to read that?

It's supposed to be so it's simple. It's never going to be more longer than what it is right now. But but the data just just from the fire marshall's office alone, you're going to get at least five six thousand data points. Yeah. At least 10 years of information at least. I mean I mean we we encouraged our all those all all our people that were picked by blasting and we gave them the addresses all the representatives and the fire marshall's office and they they sent them as a matter of fact many of them tried to turn off the emails because they were being flooded by them. That's against the law. They didn't do that. But what what Dave is referring to is we created a when I had created my private group.

We created a website that um one of the guys in the group was an IT guy. He created a website that a private website, right? But all of the records when they contact their public officials, those are public records. That's not right. That's the part that like is camouflaging altogether. No. No. Well, once again, you have to know the history of what what we've done. I mean, we've been at this at least for well, he's at it longer than me, believe it or not. I've been at it with a decade, a little bit more since uh Dizzy was a lawyer before we were found in 2000. So, let me finish answering this question.

Yes, I can. Flyers source used Google CFO Miguel total flyers created. Can we access all the flyers? Are the flyers for annual events that can be reused? Yeah, I think the ones that the annual events that can be reused was more like, you know, like when somebody graduates school and they just get like a like a certificate, put their name and date like like a flyer like that. Like we have one like that where we can just like just read what? Huh? So we don't have to go through the marketing or we don't have to go through approvals. You need to look at the resources page. I'm going to leave that to you as homework for your next those flyers from. Go through the resources page to the card. Look at all the different flowers.

I'm trying to avoid putting a char. I see a charcoal all over the place. I've been trying to avoid taking a picture and clicking on it. I have a thing about codes. Okay. Well, okay. Okay. What else do you know? The flyers are usually repurposed for all events. The information is the same. Yeah. Just displayed in different ways. Sometimes I switch the colors a little bit. Whatever changes I make, it's discussed here on the board. Every flyer that has ever been created is on the resources page and you're more than welcome to go on there and peruse evidence. Do you do you want to just you want to email this back? I don't want to waste what you said. No, no, no. We're going to talk about you. She can't email you. That's sunshine.

And I can't email. But that's another piece of important homework. When you usually meet before you join the board, Miguel gives you this whole lesson on Robert's rules and sunshine and parliamentary procedure. But what you can do is you can send your email to him and go through the our our town clerk and as long as it's not like an indirect communication well to you to put it basically out there or something information like an activity I'm answering your question

evidence. What evidence has been used versus not used? Have has the evidence been used for local or legislative matters? What other types of evidence have been used? I have not collected any evidence of any kind. So, the people I take pictures of people's homes that allow me to take pictures and those people allow me to use the pictures on town collateral. Okay. Take my response the way you want. Okay. BAB member.

Who else was in charge of marketing? Additional questions? Any additional section to add into the marketing flow diagram? So, Who else was in charge of marketing? No one really because I've always handled all requests. The attorney who put together that very very elaborate opinion sent me the opinion looking very shabby because his gift is with words not with making things look beautiful. I made the opinion look nicer and through that uh teamwork that was executed all following sunshine laws. Next What's it marketing diagram flow? Whatever.

Uh then I'm going to now withdraw my motion officially. So now we don't have to worry about seconding or voting on it because you I think explained everything to your where you can get all the next the question first is does that meet your satisfaction? Yeah. So so I I can work on the diagram, right? Yeah, of course you can. You can volunteer your time. Of course. However you see fit. Well, I just I want to work on on something that's gonna be able to I if what I think is you're going to produce is going to be like you said the bible of the history of the of all bavs of all blasting in the area because you're going to get data sources going back at least 10 years. More than that. Yeah. At least 10 years.

Chris for the link that you're telling me. And uh it's it's extensive when when go to the fire marshall's office right then and there and start with

historically in in a nutshell. Um there were bits and pieces of information but nowhere at no time did anybody put everything together and that's what we've done period. Um so what you're talking about is is that tenfold and and great but as a committee we won't do that. you want to do that as your own project, I congratulate you and and you know and I'll help you what I can with the order I got. Um what we have shared or what is shar what what has been shared you will find it on the QR code and website. Exactly. Yeah.

Which is a rudimentary level of information. um understand something that the the the as I said as I stated Tallahassee wasn't even aware of our problem and it wasn't until we created this website that that Bennett's talking about um I stopped counting at at 14,000 emails to state rep to uh public officials public officials because it went to everywhere state reps um senators the the local government executive branch. They sent it off to uh committee chairs and we also sent it to obviously the fire marshall's office which an executive branch was part of the executive branch. Yeah.

Okay. And that was to make them aware of what that we have a problem here. It didn't exist before but we did this privately. Yes. It wasn't through the BAB. Right. The BAB came afterwards. As a matter of fact, I think the original BAB was established after we began our thing. No, before I left. That's right. I left 2018. I didn't hear anything about the loss. Yeah, I know. Because everybody thought it was the shopping center.

Yeah. Um once again, if you experienced them, I mean, I had stuckle fall on me from my uh my rafters one one afternoon as I was pressure cleaning uh my uh my patio and all of a sudden it came and fell down and what was that? And uh and then it co it coincided exactly with the blast. I reported it within 15 minutes to fire marshall. They actually came out to my house says what a coincidence. What do you what a coincidence? I it happened here. You know I didn't have to get the little piece of stuckle. It was really I mean it was it got to a point you know I mean that I think that was the third major blast that I experienced. Really?

I think so. third or fourth and I sent I sent complaints to the fire marshall's office every time. And that was before the the uh Yeah, we're talking Miami Day Pond program wasn't stopped. Yeah. Oh gosh. Yeah. That was one of your three complaints. I I think there's at least I know I I made three direct complaints to them. I think I had four or five, but you know, I just did I wasn't there when it when the destruction occurred. I just found the disruption. Now, I want to touch on your diagram really quick because we've talked a lot about it

and I feel like we haven't made any progress in any direction and we're just kind of going in circles. Your idea for the diagram is this historical archive. But I think that something that would bring value is if we had a diagram of how people can help us increase awareness on blast. So for example, step one will be like house blast. Step two file a complaint. What happens in between here? When you file a complaint, it goes into the CFO's office. They generate a report. Eventually, we generate the dashboard. If you want to say that after you file a complaint, your options are come to a meeting and you want to include like if it's Myar, this is the Myiramar meeting. If you're in Miami Lakes or un our our reach is broader because although the committee of the town of Miami Lakes, we are advocating for uninccorporated D County, Hay Aliyah, Alia Gardens, like we've taken all of these on like adopted children, right? So you you give an option to come to a meeting or somehow get involved and you want to create a diagram like this that educates the public the public and how a lifestyle of how you can get involved with blasting and reporting blasts. I see logic here and I see that

that's what I want. That's but there it is. this thing. I still to this moment and I'm consider myself somewhat intelligent have yet to wrap my head around this very complex thing. But if this is what you had planned, I make a motion and you propose some type of uh flow diagram flow diagram that skips the stage of the miners and all of that because how how are we going to verify that? How are we going to go over there figure out who reported what?

Moving forward, this is how we want the public to operate. You have to include on here the app because that's something that um council member Sanchez helped us execute that now you can file a complaint using the town of Miami Lakes app regardless of where you're located right you can incorporate all those steps within this diagram and at the very very end of the diagram it can be you know become a registered advocate for the bad and we put you on an email list so that in the future when we host events and we need photos and videos of these residents who are complaining that we can come to you first to seek um assistance.

An invitation even an invitation. So, my motion is to have Edwin create a draft of this uh diagram, however it ends up being executed, that it's a flowchart that can illustrate the value and how we can partner with residents in filing a complaint. Therefore, it'll help increase the number of complaints being filed and what happens at the end of this life cycle. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. Okay. I also make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Are we done? I was impressed. Are we done? I think so.