Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Heat. Hey, ladies. Ladies and gentlemen, could you have your seats, please? Um, I'll call this meeting to order at 6 o'clock p.m. Um, and welcome to our uh planning commission meeting November 12. Okay. Um, Madame Clerk, can you please call roll? Commissioner Nighton here. Commissioner Ramirez is absent. Commissioner Thomas

here. Vice Chair Holler here. Chair Madrid, uh, here. Um, can I call Ryan? Would you lead us in the pledge of allegiance, please?

To the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you all. So I see there are no presentations tonight. That is correct. No presentations. Okay. Um Madame Chair, are there any other modifications on the agenda? No modifications to the agenda. Okay. So can I ask the planning commission for an all in favor to approve the agenda, please? I I

hearing no none opposed. The agenda is approved. Madame clerk, are there any requests to speak on non-aggenda items? There are none. And I'm sorry to interrupt you, chair. Um, it can I please get assistance? My computer just shut off.

Well, that's not on the agenda. Okay. Wow. Got a lot of interested people out there. Good to see you all. got it. So that that came through the uh the agenda the approval.

Correct. Thank you. Okay. Good. Thank you. Okay. Madam chair, no request to speak. Are there any requests to speak on non-aggenda items? No. You said no. Okay. What did I say? Oh, I did. Okay. All right. This takes us to item seven. Uh there is one set of minutes for the planning commission's approval. Does the planning commission have any modifications? I haven't. No. Okay. Could I ask the planning commissioner for an all in favor to approve the October 22nd 2025 minutes? I

I Okay. Hearing none proposals. The minutes are approved. Okay. Is that Could you confirm madame clerk there are no consent calendar items? That is correct.

Okay. So before we begin the public hearing, I'd like to briefly explain the procedures. Uh following the staff presentation and any questions from the commission, I will open the public hearing. The applicant will then have an opportunity to speak followed by members of the audience who wish to address the commission. Uh each speaker will be given up to three uninterrupted minutes to provide their comments. Please note that the commission will provide Please note the commission will not be able to respond to comments or questions posed during the public comment portion but may raise questions or issues with the staff or the applicant after the public hearing is closed. So that takes us to item 9.1 um the Trumbull Watson warehouse. Um, this item has been um it's it we're not going to hear this item tonight. It's going to be rescheduled. So, would if there's anyone here for this project that would like to make a comment, you're welcome to do that right now. Chair, I just want to clarify that because we are not well our recommended item uh action is to continue the public hearing to a date certain which is December 10th, 2025. We will not be taking public comment regarding the item itself. But if there are any public comments relating to the recommended action which is to continue the public hearing to a date certain uh they are welcome to make comments about that. Thank you.

Okay. Does everyone understand that then? No comments to be made. Okay. So we'll see uh the date certain meeting. Um yeah, so it'll be December 10th. Chair, we do need a vote on that. A first and a second and a vote. Yeah. And we'll do a verbal for that, please. Chair. So what's the um that we that's going to be moved to a date certain? Yeah. So the motion would be to move the public hearing for item 9.1, the Trumbull Wson warehouse to December 10th, 2025. Okay. So, can we get a motion and a second on that, please? So, moved. Second. All in favor? Right. I verbal. Nothing coming up. I Okay. All right. Okay.

I Now we'll see you December 10th. Okay. Okay. Then we're moving right on to item 9.2, the Pemcore Business Park. Um could the community development director Orlando please introduce the item? Thank you chair. Um unfortunately the planner that has been working on the project uh Russell Brown wasn't able to be here today but uh uh Brandon Clearary has uh stepped up and he's going to assist us with the presentation today.

Thank you Orlando. Good evening chair and commissioners. the Oh, it can I get Thank you. Uh, good evening, chair and commissioners. The project before you is the Meny Business Park plot plan number PLN23-0245. The project is located approximately halfway between Scott Road and Keller Road, east of Howard Way and west of Ziders Road and the Interstate 215 freeway. The general plan and zoning designation for the project site is economic development corridor southern gateway. The project site is surrounded by additional economic development corridor southern gateway zone properties to the north, south, and east along with rural residential 2acre minimum to the west. The project proposes commercial industrial business park uh consisting of 11 buildings ranging from 23,000 ft to 37,800 ft for a total of 337,770 square ft. The project also includes 677 parking spaces and 22 truck docks. The original design proposed by the project included six buildings. However, in collaboration with the applicant, uh the project was amended to include 11 buildings to encourage industrial and manufacturing uses to service and office uses uh versus general warehousing, which is not an allowed use in the southern gateway. The two buildings along Ziders Road are intended to be uh service commercial oriented uses. Access to the project site will be from Ziters Road. Uh a car only access point will be along uh the frontage uh in the

middle where the green arrow is located and a combined truck and car entrance will be located at the southern end of the project site which is a shared access to future development to the south. Uh there is also a traffic signal at the southern entrance. Uh regional project access will be along the 215 via Scott Road, which is a designated truck route. Public improvements for the project include the Ziders frontage and Howard frontage to the west. Um the Howard frontage may be an inloo payment versus the actual construction due to the status of Howard Road being a entirely dirt road all the way up to Scott Road. In addition, there will be fair share cost participation uh for off-site intersection improvements. Approximately 116,000 square ft of landscaping is included throughout the project site, which includes larger 24 and 36-in box trees at the perimeter and larger 60-inch box trees at the primary entrance uh at the middle on Zinder Road. The landscaping along the western boundary also acts as a buffer to the nearby residential. In addition to the increased tree sizes at the primary entry is the inclusion of landscaping, decorative paving benches and tables in the POS between nine of the buildings for employee use. Due to concerns regarding screening for nearby residential, uh the applicant proposes a six- foot tall block wall along the western project boundary along with a row of bushes at the northwest corner of the project site to screen for the existing residential near the northwest corner of the project. Uh that uh row of bushes will uh screen the uh

vehicles in the parking lot and their headlights. The proposed architecture is consistent with the city of Menfy design guidelines and is similar building types throughout the city. Uh the buildings include white and gray wall offsets, porcelain tile with wooden appearance, concrete eyebrow on the pro prominent corners along Ziders Road. So, the two buildings that front the project on Ziders Road along with glazing and tube steel canopies above windows. The buildings will be approximately 38 to 40 ft tall and include truck courts that are cut into the building to scream for public view. And as you can see in the uh bottom left corner elevation, uh the truck court is uh built into the design of the building which will help screen against noise and provide better aesthetics so you don't see the truck court from the public portions of the project site. The city prepared an environmental impact report with mitigation measures required for air quality, biology, hazards and hazardous materials, noise and greenhouse gases. Uh greenhouse gases did have a significant and unavoidable impact during the 45day E public review period which was September 2nd through October 16th of this year. Uh comment letters were received from the listed agencies, organizations, and residents. The public hearing and final environmental impact report was published on November 2nd with responses

to the comment letters sent out on October 31st. Staff determined that no new information or substantial evidence provided by the commenters warranted any changes to the environmental impact report. Staff also received additional comment letters from Golden State Environmental Justice Alliance and SAFER, uh, which are located in your blue folder along with a memo addressing the comments. Uh, with this staff's recommendation is to adopt the resolution certifying the final environmental impact report, adopt the findings of fact and statement of overriding considerations and MMRP, and direct staff to file a notice of determination, and adopt a resolution approving plot plan number PLN23-0245 for the Meny Business Park project. This concludes staff's presentation. Uh, we also have our consultant and the applicant here and are available for any questions you may have.

Thank you, Associate Planner Brandon Clearary. Does the planning commission have any questions for staff? No discussion, just questions.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I do have a question for our city attorney. Madam City Attorney, um we've seen three, I think, letters today in the packet and the letters assert that the uh final EIR is deficient. Um I did hear what the uh associate planner said in the presentation, but I just want to make sure in your opinion are we able to rely on that document uh this evening? Yes, it is my opinion as well as our uh consultant's opinion that the EIR is fully sufficient and meets the requirements of SQA. Thank you. Thank you. I Michael. Yeah, that was my question also

too. Um so there's no nothing legal that we need to matter that matters for us to make our decision of approving this project tonight or not. that correct? Well, you will still have to make the findings as required for the resolutions. Um, but as to the issues brought up in those letters, I believe that they are addressed in the final EIR, the staff report, and all the supporting documents that are available to the public. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Go ahead. and and just I I I believe I know the answer, but um uh for director and so the override is for greenhouse gas. So that's the only that's the only override that we would be considering this evening. That is correct.

Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Thomas. Questions? No questions. And nor do I. Okay. Good job, planner. Okay. I'll open the uh public hearing at 6:15 p.m. Uh, Madame Clerk, can you confirm that the item was legally noticed and if any correspondence has been received?

Yes, it was legally noticed and the correspondence is included in your folders. Just just so the audience knows, the public knows, we receive these comments probably today and they're addressed to the uh staff and then staff make sure we address these comments. So, we're not ignoring them at all. Um, okay. So, at this time, I'd like to invite the applicant to the podium to speak. Good evening, Mr. Chair and members of the commission. My name is Paul Mayor. I'm representing Pemcore Properties, the developer of the proposed project.

Good evening. Thank you.

I think um staff did a pretty good job of explaining the general nature of the project. Um, Brandon did alert us to a couple of comments that were received during one-on-one meetings with members of the commission. Um, one in particular pertained to the amount of glazing or glass on the fronts of the buildings facing ziders and um, our project architect is here this evening and after conferring with him, we've increased changed the design to increase the amount of glass by six more feet of glazing at the top of it. So it will have a I think a really significant impact in terms of the visual effect facing ziders which of course is the most prominent elevation. Um I'd also be remiss if I didn't take a moment to thank staff. They've been very good to work with. Um, as you know, these are long complicated processes and um, you know, they've been very cooperative and we've had a good working relationship throughout the throughout um, I don't excuse me, I don't want to use too much of your time, but I would mention that we've also speaking towards the design and the general theme of the project, we've tried to be sensitive to the u the, the objectives of the Southern Gateway Initiative. Um the initial concept for the project was larger buildings. Um and in working with staff, we um we significantly scaled the size of the buildings down to try and create more of a campus kind of environment or feel. Um and we spent um quite a bit of time going back and forth again speaking to the architecture just trying to make it again reinforce that

campus kind of character and um convey the kind of image that we we believe the city's seeking with the Southern Gateway Initiative. Um we think the project will be a great asset. It's it's obviously with the smaller buildings, it's oriented to smaller business um and local entrepreneurs and uh maybe incubator space for companies that will ultimately grow and become larger corporate citizens. Um but we do feel uh that we've made a sincere effort to create a project that will be an asset for the community and for the business community. Um, with that I just invite you if you have any questions. I don't want to go on with a long question. That's okay.

So, you've got the the smaller buildings. I noticed that they're they're like, you know, together in sections. So, are they going to be built so that say a company needs 30,000 square feet, are they just going to be a shell or you going to build them as 215s and you'd have to tear down the wall? Are you going to leave them as a shell? Well, we're going to have that flexibility, but rather than creating it from the outset, we'll have a 30,000 foot building that can be demised if if somebody wants less space. And that's the case with all the buildings. They're all demisable.

Uh, thank you for the additional glazing. Um, Ty, is that included in the conditions? has that been it it's not uh currently included. However, we can add a condition of approval that that requires that of the applicant. Okay. Thank you. Um I saw in one of the pages this is going to be phased phase one, two, and three. Yes. Is what kind of time between phases? Are you going to build the whole thing at once? You going to lease it as separate phases? How's that going to work?

Well, we're hoping our objective is to roll right from one phase and then commence the next phase and then commence the third phase. But, you know, it will be dictated to some extent by market reception. And Pemcore is the owner. Yes. And do they plan on selling the project after it's built or are they going to be long-term le uh leases? Well, we're actually building it with the idea of having commercial condominium space. So it'll the prop the units will be available to purchase if owner users want to own their own space, but of course they'll also be able to. Thank you.

And I'd like to thank you in addition to the glazing. You were patient enough and you did change it considerably from the PAR and that didn't take too long for you in the city to or the staff to what you took had it in May and then you ended up getting the approval in December 94. So that was good job. Thank you. Uh commissioners, any other questions? Okay. Thank you very much. Um does the planning commission have any other questions of the applicant? No. Madame clerk, are there any questions to speak or would any one in the audience like to make a public comment?

I do have one request to speak. I have Chase. Good evening, honorable, excuse me. Good evening, honorable planning commissioners. My name is Chase Presciato from the law firm Lizo Jury here on behalf of supporters alliance for environmental responsibility or safer. Safer respectfully requests that the commission refrain from approving the project tonight. Instead, the commission should continue this item until the EIR is revised to comply with the with the requirements of SQL. The EIR concluded that greenhouse gas impacts would be significant and unavoidable. However, the EIR fails to apply all feasible mitigation measures for this significant and unavoidable impact as required by SQA. There are ample additional feasible mitigation measures that can be applied to this project. For example, the EIR currently requires only 15% of the rooftops to have solar panels. The city should increase that percentage to the maximum extent feasible. Additionally, there are numerous feasible mitigation measures recommended by the California Attorney General, including limiting truck idling time to 3 minutes instead of the 5 minutes currently required by the EIR, requiring all on-site operational equipment to be zero emission, and requiring all emergency generators to be powered by a non-diesel fuel. The EIR must be revised to include these feasible mitigation measures or otherwise justify why these additional measures are infeasible. Also, the EIR makes several references to a transportation assessment prepared in 2025. No such report was included in the EIR's appendices. The commission should

not approve this project until the 2025 report is made available to the commission and the public. For those reasons, safer again requests that the commission not approve the project tonight and instead continue this item until the EIR is brought into compliance with SQA. Thank you. Thank you, Chase. Is there anyone else that would like to speak on this matter? Madam clerk, no other written. Okay, I have no other comments.

Thank you. Um, therefore, I will close the public hearing at 6:24 p.m. Does the uh planning commission have any other comments or discussion? No.

Nope. Okay. Um there are two recommendated recommended actions for the commissioner's consideration to adopt a resolution certified an EIR for the project business park project and adopt an MMRP. Are we going to vote on these together or separately? Okay. And adopt a resolution approving plot plan number PLN23-0245. Can I get a motion in a second to adopt the staff's recommendation? Second. Never mind. Sorry. That's okay.

Okay. Okay. The item has passed and thank you very much for your uh make one comment while we're finalizing this. I'm glad these are going in. This is exactly what we need in this city. Um I've had Several business people over the years contact me about needing these smaller type of spaces there. So, I'm glad that these are going in. Thank you, Commissioner Th.

Okay. Um, so that moves us to uh item 9.3, Cypress Sands Residential Project. Um this is item 9.3. Could the community development director um director Nandez please um introduce the project? Thank you chair. Um as you know uh back to back we have projects that involve uh state density bonus law. So, this is another project. We haven't had any since I've been here, and all of a sudden, we have backtoback projects. So, this one is going to be presented by uh Ryan Fowler.

All right. Thank you, Ryan.

Good evening, commissioners. It's Ryan Fowler, principal planner. I'm here presenting to you the Cypress Sands residential projects tonight. It's PLN 240136. That's a tenative track map. And the other piece of this application is PLN 240137. That's for the plot plan. So the project is approximately one mile to the east from the I215 and it's north of McCall Boulevard, south of Chambers Avenue, east of Chatham and west of Analopee. You can see to the to the north is that Legato specific plan project um under construction. to the east and to the south is vacant land and to the west is some existing single family residential homes and it's close um you can see in this image to the east is is the hospital there as far as general plan and zoning the general plan is 8 to 14 dwelling units per acre residential and to the east and to the south is that economic development corridor uh mall boulevard sub area and to the west is 5 to8 dwelling units per acre residential to the north again is that specific speific plan, the Legato specific plan, and it's zoned medium density residential. So, I I believe same as last week or last planning commission uh hearing, this item is uh a Senate Bill 330 project. So, the project applied for that Senate Bill 330 application on April 3rd, 2024. So, what that does, just as a refresher, is it expedites some of the development processes and then it also freezes fees that were in place on that April 3rd, 2024. Um, of course, if there's any CPI, um, uh, escalators that are built into ours, which there are, um, those still apply. Uh, the project would then vest if it is approved tonight, and that vesting lasts for two and a half years. They have to

begin construction within that period for those same April 3rd, 2024 uh fees to to hold. Ry Ryan, can I ask a clarification on that? So, we're saying their fees are frozen, but you're saying the CPI still applies. Yeah. So, our our the current fee study that we did applies. Um but in those fees, every year it goes up by an escalator. Those still apply. Now, when this comes into play is if we were to go and do a full-on um study. Yeah. Diff study. That would not Okay.

Yeah. And then again, um as uh community development director mentioned, this is a state density bonus law. What they are doing is they're proposing a 5% minimum of very low income units. And I'll talk a little bit more about that. And that affords them that 20% density bonus. I'll get into that a little bit more, explain it further. So again, this is a tenative track map and plot plan. The tenative track map is a condo map. Um, it's on 8.15 adjusted gross acres. There's 132 units and that comes out to a 16.2. So, as I mentioned, the general plan designation for this is 8 to 14. So, they're getting to that 16.2 via the density bonus. It has the one open plan wreck area. You can see in the middle lower portion and then there's 295 total parking spaces. Little refresher on the uh state density bonus law. So this was enacted in 1979. So it's been with us a little while. It allows for development to exceed that general plan max density. Um in this case, like I said, the 5% of very low-income units gets them the 20% density bonus. And the way those are constructed is they uh during post entitlement final engineering they would designate where those units would be uh planning staff would ensure that they are scattered throughout because that is in their conditions and then they'll be have similar features and finishes as all the other units. So from the outside you won't be able to tell and just below at the bottom is is the calculation just kind of the math showing how we came up to what they're allowed. So they're act they're allowed the 136 at the very bottom.92 dwelling units and they're asking for 132. So a few short of the the max they're allowed with a 20% bonus and um they have to supply the six dwelling units required. That is the 5%

that's what it comes out to is six dwelling units. Um, as far as their access, so on the north end on Chambers, there is a ride in right out. And just one correction, I know in the staff report there was a mention of it being V emergency vehicle only access. Um, that isn't correct. It is only a right-in ride out, but any vehic type of vehicle can enter through that. And then off of Tyogga, which is the south road on the bottom there, um, that is full access. And then um the I mentioned 295 total parking spaces. So that's divided into the garage parking. Each unit gets two. It comes out to 264. And then there's 31 guest parking spaces. And those are kind of distributed throughout the the site plan. It's got 20% of the site is designated or shown as open spacecaping. um that's going to be maintained, the on-site landscaping is going to be maintained by the HOA and then any landscaping in the public rightway would be by the community facility district, the CFD. Um there's a total of 115 total trees uh proposed. That'd be a mix of 60, 36, and 24inch box trees. So, um they stepped up in terms of the sizing of those above our minimum.

Question, the northeast corner, is that a park or is that a basin? The northwest corn. Northwest part. Yeah, that's a basin. Okay. And the basin is the basin's not counting towards open space, is it? Yes, it is part of that open space. Park functional open space. Park functional basin type of thing where No. No. It's it's not um it's it's function for water quality.

So, how can it be counted as open space? Oh, look the I believe the minimum on this. I have to go refresh and I I can look that up. Um but uh I believe they're well above the minimum. Um I'd have to double check real quick. So So the definition of open space includes basins are considered open space, right? Typic if I may, Commissioner Thomas, typically um when it comes to landscape percentage, okay,

there's a minimum required that that they have to comply with code. Uh in this case, uh open space, it does include the uh basin, but obviously that's not counted as part of their landscaping requirement. So, this is above and beyond. And this number just shows kind of like the overall number. Okay. So I guess I guess when I hear the word open space I'm thinking of quimby and park and things like that. Yeah. That that that wouldn't be the case for the detention basic.

Okay. Correct. Okay. And another feature of this project is there is a linear landscape PO that runs as kind of a spine north to south through the center of the project and that uh provides a walkway and a quicker connection to the to the open space the pocket park here that's shown here 70 by 90 ft. Um it's open turf, large shade trees and a picnic area. And then also throughout all of the crossings of drive aisles um are shown with decorative paving as well. Uh this is a unique project in that it's uh one of the first to come before you that is within the very high fire severity zones according to the new 2025 um state mapping. Um, and it had to uh submit and gain approval of a fuel mod plan as well as a a fuel protection plan, a fire protection plan. And so you'll see there's various zones here that are shown in this in this fuel mod plan that they had uh approved through fire. Um, within that, the closest shown in red is that 0 to 5 foot area that's immediately adjacent to buildings. Um and then as it goes out the restrictions obviously become less but uh very close to the buildings in that red um that's the zone zero and then within there there is zero combustibles that can be uh placed there or installed there. So no no wood obviously but no um plantings no mulch. So, um, the city met with our fire department, our landscape consultant. We met with the applicants and their their, uh, fuel protection plan and fuel mod prepare as well as their landscape architect to come up with some kind of creative solutions so that way in front of the the the homes

it would not appear stark and kind of cold because of the lack of vegetations within that 0 to 5 foot zone. So what they presented um their landscape architect came up an architect came up with um some illustrative plans kind of a menu of of potential decor that could be put put in front of the the home. So that way when the final plans when the final landscape plans and the final engineering comes through um the planner would look at uh against these illustrative plans to make sure that we've gotten um some of these features uh in front of in front of the home. So they did provide some renderings and I'll show that on the next couple slides. So they approved or they uh presented some some garden sculptures made of steel and ceramic obviously no wood or plastic. Um pots and urns as well as some large river rocks, large boulders, more pavers, uh more uh metal uh wall art and and f ceramic fountains, all non-combustables. So here's a rendering. I have four renderings. Here's here's two. the first two showing kind of how that would look in front of the homes. Instead of just being the plain concrete, um you would have those river rocks, some of the pots, the the metal or ceramic um accents like the the plants and fountains and art. Here's another two to show examples. And then here's looking down the drive aisle. So, a couple things that this doesn't include that um I think are worth noting is that there is the decorative walkways that cross the street that will also be in there that you'll also see that will break up that um break up the the the roadway, the monotony of the the asphalt. And then in the background there will also be trees

that are not shown in that image, but some of the pots provide some of that verticality and the texture from the the pavers of the walkways and the river rock. Um kind of break that up as well. So the project is proposing three different kinds of building types. There's a building A, a building B, and a building C. It's a sixplex, a sevenplex, and an eightplex. Here I'm showing you one example. Um it's building A and this is their their Spanish style building and what that includes is some S-stile roofing, decorative gable accents, corbals, your metal awnings, um the Juliet balconies, shutters, metal pot shelves and arches, arched window frames. Uh their second type is the bungalows which has the flat tile roofs, reisson wood, the lap sighting, the board and batten trellis awning shutters, wood pot shelves.

Ryan, can I ask you a quick question? Sure. So we have the fire, the fuel mod zone, extreme fuel mod zone on the garage side, but on the walking alley side, the front, is there going to be plants allowed? Because all these elevations front and back are showing plants, but obviously you've shown us the the rears have or the Yeah. the the parking the the garage sides you have elevations showing just rock and ceramic and stuff. But are the fronts going to allowed to have plants? So I actually calling it rear the that's the walkable alley side. Right.

Right. So the bottom is what I was showing before of the the fronts where the drive aisle is where the garages are. Um yes it is showing some small shrubs. This was done before the state mapping came out. So that's why it wasn't revised with removing those bushes but um those won't be there and it's place that will be the pots. Now on the back side um that's in the private backyards um next to so you're going to have about you know 10 I believe it's like 10 or so feet um of backyard in between from the home to the fence line. Um, for the first 5t you obviously couldn't put anything. So it' have to be just like pavers or flat work. Um, now next to the fence you could because that would be further than the five feet. You couldn't put trees um because of the fire restrictions, but you could put some tall shrubs or

so the on the rears here each of these we're seeing them as if there's no fencing, but there is going to be vinyl fencing and it's like five foot is it five foot fencing? Uh, it' be six foot standard. Six foot vinyl fencing solid. So, so one correction to that, um, there will not be vinyl fencing because of those fire requirements. So, because those came about, there'll be either a CMU like masonry unit with a decorative cap or it'll be a metal product. There's there's a lot of new metal products that are out there now that look a lot like the vinyl. Okay. And I do have a picture of one if if you need it.

And how big will those um quote backyards or patios be? Um, I put it was in the staff report. I think it's about I don't know if the applicant could answer that, but I think it is um it's like 10 by Yeah, 10. Yeah, it was nine a depth of 9 to 20 feet and width of 24 to 27 feet. Okay. And they'll probably have will have like a step out cement pad and then it'll have dirt or what will they have? I don't think we've gotten quite that far because it's conceptual at this stage.

I'm just thinking because I've seen some other products like this and how they work. I'm just trying to visualize what how it'll it'll function. Okay. Yeah, we'll we'll get to that when we do like the final landscape plans. But yeah, I'm envisioning for the first portion next to the home, it's it's all it won't be any plantings and it'll all be flat work, hard hardscape. Another question. So, are these twotory units each unit is twotory or is one story below and then another units on top or these are all twotory? They're all two story. All two story. Okay.

Okay. And then here's just the last one is the cottage style. So that similar I mean it has the flat tile roof, the shutters, the corbals, the stucco um the slope stucco sills up to the windows um the res wood stove and veneer and yes was the three that they're proposing. Now they're also proposing here the the wall and fence plan. I did mention um the the swap out here on the vinyl fence. So the orange lines are will now be the either the CMU uh type of product or a metal fencing, but around the entire perimeter they'll be showing um they'll be installing sixoot perimeter splitface decorative walls and around the basin will be more of the tubular steel. Now this project did have prepared a initial study uh mitigated negative declaration. It found that there was no significant effect on the environment and staff rem recommends adoption of that ISM and it went out for a 30-day review public review from October 5th to November 4th of this year and there is a MMRP mitigation monitoring and reporting program that's uh part of the staff report package. We did receive one comment um you should have it in your file from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife and in that memo we uh respond to their each of one of their comments. We don't feel like it's there is a need to recirculate um that is it did recommend a couple of preconstruction surveys, one for burrowing owl and one for a new species, the crutch bumblebee. um those will be put into the conditions of approval and they're provided in your package. So, we already did have the burrowing owl precon survey, but it's just some rewarding of that condition.

One additional question for you. So, they're really getting hit by the fuel mod stuff here by the new maps, right? is the maps is the project to the north in the same map though that that one would already are you talking about legato northwest I believe it's already vested that one's already vested so um they don't have to change anything on the maps I think August 1st was the the cut off okay

so uh yes so those that project is vested but if there are any sometimes there are build well even the building standards have been delayed so it it probably won't have the same requirements as this one.

Okay. And so at this time, staff recommends adop adoption adopt a resolution adopting an initial study mitigated and ne mitigated negative declaration and adopt a resolution approving tenative trap track map number 39364 and plot plan PLN 24-0137 subject to the findings and conditions of approval. And this concludes staff's presentation. Good job, Ryan. Thank you, principal planner Ryan Fowler. Does the planning commission have any questions? Any more questions for staff? Ivan.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, just to confirm, Madam City Attorney, um I did look at the letter from uh CDFW. Um they raised a few issues including riparian resources and potential impacts downstream of that. Certainly the burrowing owls. I assume there were surveys done before, but on the crotches, Bumblebee, they raised issues there. So, is there anything that would prevent us from relying on the M andd they haven't reached a fair argument here and and we can respond or the city can respond to all of those concerns by either including conditions or items in the mitigation monitoring report? That is a question even though it sounded like a statement. Uh we believe that all the analysis that's done by the city and our consultants is adequate to address the concerns raised by the department of fish and wildlife

with modifications. Yes. With the modifications to the condition. Yes. Not really the ARA but with but with the additions that that I see in the memo here which I think includes additions to the MMR probably more than anything else. Um I I can I make one other statement at this point in time? So this is a Obviously, this is a density bonus project. Um, these do bring My apologies. What's that? My apologies, Commissioner. I just want to confirm this is questions for staff because that's all that's I'm looking at talking to him.

So, so it's a density bonus project. There are things that that I find challenging even though from a fire perspective I see our fire marshall in the back of the room. Um I assume have been adequately addressed. So the 25 foot road width with a parking prohibition I mean that seems like the minimum when you can put down the outriggers and unbed the ladder safely. Um, so that's a concern. Making it around the the corners, the general circulation where you'd have to zigzag through the project. You could go up the left side, but not the right side. You got to go zigzag through that. I just want to make sure that all those things have been addressed because these are private roads. I don't know how the parking prohibition is going to be enforced and and that could really present a problem for a first responder along with how these items are entered. Um madam fire marshall in CAD. So that's my question.

Thank you Sonia. Did I do okay counselor?

All right. Well, good evening chair and good evening planning commissioners. Um, yes, you did address um on the last time we spoke about some of those turning radiuses within the project. Um, and I will assure that they do meet our proper turning radiuses throughout the project. Um, you the 24 is our minimum for the fire access road in which that project does have um the minimum requirements. Um it could either be posted um to ensure that maybe that there's no parking or to ensure that um we're not being restricted by parking. Um we do have um signage that can be placed in there um every 50 ft. There's some signage that um clearly um dedicates it to be a fire access road. Um there's other options if we painted it road um red um for the red curbing to ensure with the CBC codes um to ensure that the parking is enforced within that um development as well. Um so I don't think we've reached that point but those are um conditions for that project to ensure the fire access road is um available.

So that would be I guess one of the one of the concerns is how how do those get enforced? If somebody parks in the roadway and you have to get in that that obviously is a problem. This is these are private roads so many PD is not going to go in there and and and enforce that. So how how does that work? Part of it is uh one uh most likely they will be red uh uh they will be red painted to prohibit uh parking uh to HOA I believe also uh they do enforce that as well but uh again it's mainly it's mainly the signage and and and the recurring on on on site

and commissioner one of our conditionals of approval does require homeowners association So that that's the way to to enforce it. So So Sonia, when that happens and you don't have time, do you just bulldoze them out of the way? You've seen it happen already. Yeah. So you just No. Can't wait for a tow truck.

Um Yeah, it would be um the tow truck. Um but to easily to move maneuver through there um adequately um one of the engines um that we do have or the uh truck that we have in that matter is 12 feet. So, I mean, you could maneuver through there. Now, if you needed to do um aerial apparatus and you're throwing the outriggers out in that area, then maybe. But I think at that point, we would already have it cleared or relocated by tow truck. Um and again, um those HOA um is responsible um to uh adhere to those um fire conditions and those um regulations towards parking. Michael, Sonia, um, this project, standard twotory homes, you wouldn't necessarily need a ladder truck in there unless it was the next available apparatus being dispatched. If there was a two-story fire, you can just do it with a regular engine. Correct.

Um, yes, you could, but just depending on what's available, what's the available resources? Availability. Yeah. Okay. So you don't need special apparatus to fight a fire in a standard in a project like this. Again, it would be the available resources available. Okay. Thank you. You guys you guys are always ready. So you wouldn't approve this if you didn't believe it would work. So correct. Okay. Thank you. You have questions? All right. Thank you, Sonia. I got one question for Ryan. Okay. Um what's the width of each of these um homes?

Given that it's 24 to 27 for the backyards and they are attached, they're they're within that range 24 to 27. When I first heard about this project, I was thinking row homes. Um, my first thought was like full house, you know, San Francisco, these tight little things that are only like 12 feet wide. Um, so it's nice that the garages there and they do have a little bit extra width. Um, these to me are more like condos or town homes rather than sizewise, widthwise rather than.

So, thank you. I haven't any questions? Okay. So, looks like we have no more questions. So, I'll open the public hearing at 6:53 p.m. Madame Clerk, can you confirm that this item was legally noticed and if any correspondence has been received? Yes, it was legally noticed and the correspondence is in your folders. Thank you. Um, okay. At this time, I'd like to invite the applicant to the podium to speak.

We have that uh presentation. Yes. If it you could pull up the other 9.3 um PDF.

Good evening everyone. Thank you for your time tonight. I'm just get this uh presentation up. Could you please could you please state your name? Yes. My name is James Walters with Fairbrook Communities. Thank you, James. On behalf of the applicant,

this project is Cypress Sands. It's 132 town homes that will be offered for sale and it's a community that's designed for entry level ownership where families launch their legacy. It's located at the southwest corner of Analopee Road and Chambers. And the project is aiming to be a family community where we're offering three bedrooms plus a loft and four bedroomedroom familysiz units. If if approved tonight, we're targeting permits in in the third quarter of 2026 and first occupancy later in 2027. As you can see at the bottom diagram there, we're fully constructing Tyogga Lane. That's at no cost to the city, part of our conditions of approval. And we'll go to the next slide and and uh walk you through why this project works for families, for safety, and for the city. Our vision is simple. It's to deliver attainable familysized and family focused home ownership in Meny looking for three and fourbedroom units for uh younger families, first-time home buyers. Everything comes standard with a twocar garage. We've uh featured work from home nooks in every single one of the units. Uh we we believe that that work from home culture is probably here to stay and and is a necessary component especially for uh young professionals and uh all professionals for that matter. Um, the

aim of this community is to make uh make our ownership costs and ho HOA burden as as low as possible. And so we have um minimized those as much as possible while still preserving the quality and aesthetics of the community. So, if we could go to the next page, just wanted to touch on the housing progress thus far. This was pulled from the California housing community development website. It's their data dashboard and what it explains is the current permits that have been issued in the uh reun number allocation categories. Uh this project offers six very lowincome units. Currently in the city of Meny, six at the you'll see it at the sort of top right at the graph. Six uh very low income permits have been issued of the allotted 1761 permits. So that's 3% attained. And with this project, with one vote, one approval, we can double that number and provide a total of of 12 very low income units. It's not meeting it's not about meeting a a quota, and it it's more about delivering balanced housing, market rate homes families can afford, and meaningful support for those who need it most. We could go to the next slide, please. Ryan had discussed the fire zone that that we're impacted by. This was released in April and and we've feel like we had substantially satisfied

all all comments up until then and then we spent the time since then designing and trying to come up with every solution possible to enhance the aesthetics and to make this as safe as as possible. So, of those safety features and design features, I'll start with safety. Uh, we've we've included a six-foot perimeter block wall around the whole site. Uh, all of the construction of the actual town homes will be ignition resistant and ember resistant construction per CBC chapter 7A. That is their fire construction standards. The site has a surplus of fire hydrants for easy access to to water. It has 14 total hydrants for little less than 8 acre site, which is pretty substantial. And as uh Ryan had discussed earlier, there is a defensible space plan with zone zero if no combustible no combustible materials within 5t of the building envelope and irrigated lean fireresist plants between five and 30 feet from the building envelope. Additionally, when homeowners are uh purchasing these homes, they will be uh instructed in a resident fire life safety protection program as provided by our our fire protection plan. So that'll be in CCNRs that they'll sign off on on their education of that to maintain safety of which will include obviously CCNR's agreements that the HOA will maintain and enforce with with respect to parking outside of designated stalls and garages. To maintain the aesthetic without compromising safety, we've used steel and ceramic sculptures, fiberglass, and terracotta pots, rock streams, paper

walkways. We've we've tried to keep the the maintenance of those um as as easy as as possible while maintaining the the aesthetic and and curb appeal. Uh, okay. Next slide, please. Community benefits of of this project is that Cypress Sands will become a net contributor to the city of Meny. And of of uh the benefits, I think most importantly, is that it it creates 132 new homeowner families to the area. And uh that'll grow stability and it grows the community in this area. There will be almost a million dollars of Quimby fees as part of this project. 5.4 million roughly of development impact fees and traffic impact fees will be used for funding schools, police, fire, infrastructure, other public facilities. Of course, we're we have a full construction of Tyogga Lane, which will connect a key mobility link there from Analopee to Chatham and of course half and half street with improvements on the remaining frontage roads. So between Quimby, DIFF and TIFF, Cypress Sands contributes roughly six million to support the broader community and Cypress Sands won't be a burden to the city. It funds itself and some. Go to the next page, please. That's Cypress Sands. It's a complete compliant and community aligned project from attainable home ownership to fire smart design from infrastructure investment to balanced housing

production. Cypress Sands aligns with Meny's goals. We're grateful for the collaboration with the city staff, especially grateful for Ryan Fowler, his hard work on this project, and we look forward to working with the city and partnering with them as we bring this project to fruition. Thank you for your consideration tonight, and I'm happy to take any questions. Um, let me ask you before you go on, do you agree with the conditions of approval? Yes. 12. Thank you. Hey commissioners, do you have any uh questions?

Chair, I appreciate your presentation tonight. I think you've actually done a good job in the zero uh zone. I that's uh somewhat creative and and I think uh I think that actually is about as good as you can do in in those areas given the uh location in a very high fire hazard disparity zone. Um, I do have a concern and and my concern is and I I note that in your presentation is in fact on the title slide of of your presentation you had pictures of kids and I would assume there'll be a lot of families with kids here. Um, the only area that I see for recreation is right inside the the main entry on the south and I don't see any recreational amenities in there. There's a finding that that relates um uh to living here and it's it's actually um it's a finding that we're being asked to to make in the reso for the TTM and the plot plan about um that that uh the project wouldn't be detrimental to the health, safety or general warfare of persons residing there. Um, with respect to the health and general welfare, I I do have a concern because of the lack of recreational amenities. What I would like to ask is if you're agreeable to include uh play equipment in the uh lawn area space there and put a low fence around that. We looked at a similar project previously where this where the play well not the play area but the recreational area was very close to the entrance um and and expressed some concerns and asked them to put a low fence around that. So I'm I'm asking um

would you be willing to include play equipment and a low fence around that lawn area in the southern center of the site? Yes. Yes, we could add that to the conditions of approval. I think I have the same exact concern. Yeah, I think the I think the comment adds value to the site. I think you're right. It is lacking some play equipment and uh certainly safety features. I I thought of this when when I spoke with Ryan about it recently uh that it would need to go to the northern section of the actual landscaped area, but we're perfectly happy to do so. I think it adds value.

That I appreciate that. that actually helps me uh to be able to make a finding that I was struggling with previously. So I appreciate that and that concludes my questions for the applicant fence and

I uh yeah it can be a metal rod iron fence. I had that I had the exact same concerns I brought them up last our the last project. Um, and I'm also thinking my my first question I had you and you already answered it is who's the uh who are these homes for and you said starter families, you know, so I'm thinking families. Your front page of your presentation had six children on it. Um, this is going to be a place for kids, uh, young kids, too. You know, I'm I'm looking at the two to five age where they're not going to school yet. Mom comes home from dropping the older kid off, gets her Starbucks or beyond if that's still on the um on the table, but they go there, they go down and read a book or whatever at this little park. There's nothing for these kids to do. A two-year-old, let them go, let them touch things, spin things. There going to be some sort of um doesn't have to be big playground equipment, but it is a pocket park. um just pocket park side things for curious kids to to flip and switch and climb. So that's that's I confer there with uh Mr. Holler that that's what I'd like to see.

Commissioner Thomas. Okay. Um, I I like that you uh put a uh a a product not like legato. That's all we need was another. So, I I like it. It's good. Um, could you explain how the uh low income? It's low income, right? Not affordable. It's low income housing. This is affordable housing. Yes. Oh, it's affordable. It it's it's uh it'll be deed restricted for 45 years because it's for sale. If if it were rent, it will be 55. But it will be market rate right? Uh the sale

well 126 will be market rate. No no the affordable houses the 20% those are not so the whole the whole project is you said the whole 126. Yeah those are market rate. So you have different processes to help the buyer right for affordable housing. That's how it works and they have to stay there. You said the amount of time that right or it has to just it always has to be a incomerestricted home. So they can choose to sell it. They have their own uh sort of rules obligations that they have to adhere to but it will always be for at least 45 years low income. So is there a big demand for those homes?

Yes, there's there's a waiting list in the county. I figured there would be but so they work. Okay. Yes. My question I suspect that it it would not sell faster than about eight homes per month, maybe 10 homes per month. I think that given the waiting list for the income restricted units, those will probably be sold faster, but the market rate side will will likely just match the market uh with with sales pace and velocity.

Any other questions, commissioners? Good job. Thank Thank you very much. Good presentation. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Does the pl the commissioners do you have any other questions? The applicant? No. Okay. Um, Madame Clerk, are there any requests to speak or would anyone in the audience like to speak? I have no request to speak or make a comment. Okay. All right. Then I will close the public hearing at 7:09. Uh, does the the commissioners do you have any other comments or discussion? Commissioner Thomas? Yeah. One thing I good thing I like is that instead of using it as an emergency exit, we have two exits.

And I just wanted to be out there for staff and for anyone watching developers because a lot of these projects, they like to close off an emergency exit so they can get another lot in there. To me, that's a fire problem in the future if we have a, you know, coming through. So, I am just much happier with the secondary exit that is an actual exit.

The downside I'm concerned about, and I don't know there's anything can be done about it, is because of the fire zone and the zone zero, this looks like a downtown. When you drive through it, it's very sterile. You're looking at two stories up. They've tried to, you know, do the different elevations and the different colors, but it's just very sterile. So, I'll just leave it at that. I'm not sure there's anything can be done with it. Third thing is I went and visited a project like this in Tmacula, which was actually a multif family, but it had the same structure, the the, you know, the private streets, they're only 20, 20, 25 ft, all that. Um, I drove my truck in there to to get some furniture for someone and it was all red striped and so I had to park in a you know special spot because of the fire concern because of the the you know someone does park in there these fire units aren't going to get through. I'm wondering if we should require the curb red on these. Now, having said that, I would hate to live in a curb red area, right? So, maybe we can accomplish this through extra signage or something because if we're going to be dependent on the HOA

doing it, it's going to depend on Karen's going around and doing it. So, I don't know what the commission's thought is on that. Can't say Karen. Okay. Linda, I don't whatever you want to call it. You just made it worse. Okay. Um, well, Sonia mentioned signage. Don't say Sony. Yeah. Yeah. Can it be Brad?

I don't know what. Okay, I'll ask you. I'll ask the fire gentle woman. Uh this question because I know like in housing tracks and in um uh shopping centers, you do drive-throughs, right? You test all of that. I see you guys doing that all the time. Do you have any experience with these these small private streets doing drive-throughs that you have found they're actually parking in there and they are thus stopping your clear drive-thru in your test?

So, yes, they do go through developments and they do test that um going in and out maneuvering. Um our guidelines are based on just that and how we came to those um requirements for access through radiuses by maneuvering through different varials v different different um various um scenarios. Um and then that's how we are basing our requirements on just those like facts that we you just discussed that we've done. So, so I understand the theoretical, right? You've it's on a map and yeah, theories there's no cars there. Your drive-through works, but in practice, have you driven through these type of developments and there's actually were cars parking and thus it impeded your drive-thru? What has your practical experience been on these? So, um, for for like if a car is parked there maneuvering in and out,

it it has been we might send a squad in if we can't get the engine through, right? Or um there's different um pieces of apparatuses and sizes that could go in um in different scenarios where there might be a car blocked, you know, might send the patrol in, might send a squad, might uh the engine might be able to go through. So, it still can move. So, your experience is it does happen. people park anyway at times. Yes, at times.

Um, and you did mention either the red curbing or signages, right? So, our our requirements for those red curbs or signage would be that those signs are placed every 50 feet um is our standard. And so that signage could be in lie of everything being red um out on the streets, right? Who wants to go through and it's all red? It kind of looks like an industrial it's already industrial enough, right? So, um, you could do that in lie of the red, um, curbing. Um, we would allow for signage. Signage. I don't know what the rest of the commission thinks. I'm just thinking aesthetically how to accomplish the safety factor and the enforcement without ruining their lives looking at red all the time.

So, what comes to my mind is signs work because think about trash day. I mean, a street sweeper day. people know one person get you get a ticket once you know if every street trooper is coming every other t Tuesday and my car is out there before noon so I think that would work how does that work council uh if since these are private streets someone say someone parks their car they're there five hours right how can since it's a private street can a policeman come in and ticket it or is it an HOA ticket

it would typically be an HOA ticket. So, uh, essentially, you know, our CCNRs require HOAs to comply. At first, it will be the developer if, you know, before an HOA is formed. And, you know, there are consequences for not complying with the requirements of the conditions of approval or the CCNRs. Uh typically good HOAs which the city will you know help to oversee in some cases uh will make sure to find people for blocking those driveways because often with um you know in the HOAs have to be responsible right for the shared um areas and so if there are any type of you know damages or things like that they might be responsible too for being negligent for example if not finding or ensuring that their residents are in compliance. And obviously, you know, in some cases, police will respond and things like that if there are emergencies.

But my my thought on this is the signage. Uh I don't know what the US the commission I don't I don't have a problem with a with a red curb, too. I mean, I can envision a number of scenarios where someone's going to park there. I'll give you I'll give you one.

Um people moving in and out, right? So, they're going to park a moving van there. They're not going to go 400 feet away and park in one of the striped stalls that a movie is not going to get into anyway. That's going to be there for a while. If you happen to get a call and have to run a call during that period of time, that could print present a challenge. So, I think I think adequate signage and uh red curb, I I would do I would do it all. I mean, it it's really going to come down to the HOA to do the enforcement, and we're asking an HOA to do enforcement. So Sonia, why didn't you require a red curb?

Um it is in the condition for curbing. It would give an option of either or the red curbing or um signage. Um and that would come at a later point when we do ask for our um fire lane exhibit. Um and it would indicate what is what what their choice was. Um it is it is also maintenance, right? Right. um you know painting it every however long every year, every six months. Correct. Gross. Um and so then they might just decide on signage or you know again signage through years will deteriorate and then they maintenance of that but that might be a better option but we do we did give them both option on the conditions.

All right. Thank you. So, city attorney, what if we some of us want to vote for it with a red curve and some of us don't? Well, it could depend on your motion. There's a couple things you can do. First, you can discuss among yourselves to see if one option or the other is better or both. That's up to you. Um or you can whoever makes a motion receives a second with whatever condition is that you want to require. And if that gets the votes, if not, then it passes. If not, then someone else might make a motion. Okay, we'll we'll talk among ourselves.

So, the last item is just for the record, it's too crowded. I mean, it doesn't mean I'm going to vote against it. I know the reason there's as many is because the density bonus. The state has taken that out of our hands, which you've all seen my rantings on that. Um, I think this is exactly why we should not, the state should not be doing that, but um, there's not much we can do about it. So, so what you're saying, commissioner, is we wouldn't have voted for this project with this amount of houses unless we were mandatorily.

If I had my wish on this, they would be um, uh, set further set back from the street. They would have landscaping. It would be less of a city feel. The developers doing what is legally allowed. Yes. Is there I mean it seems he's done everything that that staff has asked, right? Our hands are tight. Change of zoning too density wise. No, it's the it's the it goes 18 to 14 to 16. Well, the that the 16 is because of the density boat. Yeah, I know. If it wasn't for the state. If it wasn't for the state. Yeah. Yeah.

Which kudos to you for taking advantage of the mandate, but we're just making a statement so people understand that we're not density happy. So just everything. I'm sorry to interrupt. Just so my colleagues know, I I it's not a hill for me to die on on the red curb or the or the signage. One one or the other. I mean, I'd like both, but that I I don't want to die on that hill. What I do want to make sure is incorporated into the project conditions is the addition of play equipment in that area and low uh fencing around that that I do I would support and for whomever makes the motion uh ultimately hopefully we can add that in.

Thank you for bringing that up. Michael, what do you prefer on the curve signage? I don't have a preference. Um, we have big trucks. We have a bearcat. We can move cars. There's a problem. It's not going to stop the fire department. Police are going to get that same 911 call. Signs are good for you. Signs. Um, it can even be um part of the CCNRs. Um,

something chair, commissioners, can I offer a suggestion? Um, I' I'd let us to work through that in final engineering. If you had noticed um fire marshall indicated signs every 50 feet that would be a significant amount of signs throughout that community to install. So maybe a combination of red curbs and signing would be appropriate. Good call. Um throughout the community because nothing more than having too many signs throughout the community, but that'd be like one in front of every other house. I I like that suggestion. And if if I could just add, seconds matter. So if they have to move a car, Yeah, I know.

seconds matter. Especially if you're a pain. I would recommend on the radiuses for sure. If you're running EMS with that, seconds matter. So uh I I like that suggestion.

Good. Me too. Okay. So therefore, let's guys ready to move ahead? Okay. So there there are two recommended actions for the commission's consideration to adopt a resolution. adopting an aism and direct staff to file a notice of determination and adopt a resolution approving tenative track map number 49364 PLN24136 and plot plan PLN24137 and to add the lot equipment and a low fence around the existing park and any additions to that we got it covered. Okay.

And could I mention one more thing? The condition changes in the memo as well related to the two biological resources, the crush bumblebee and the growing owl. Thank you. What was that change? Um it was for preconstruction surveys that was based on that letter we received from CDFW. Right. I was getting there. I didn't know how to word it though. So, thank you for doing that. And the bumblebee survey can't be done until April. Right. the bumble sees it because they're underground currently. Yeah. So, can I ask a question before we approve this? So, based on those surveys, if they find something, are they going to have to buy mitigation land or something? Yeah.

No, there there is a requirement already in the conditions that they have to get uh permits through uh calfish and wildlife for there is a small amount of acreage of um permitted waters of the state that they will have to get um by some into a mitigation bank for. But for these particular, the burrowing owl and the crotch bumblebee, there is um some kind of whatif scenarios in the conditions that are spelled out. I do not believe they require

the mitigation ratios are left open-ended in the letter from um CDFW. Okay, so if you guys vote, please Okay. So, did we all vote? Okay, it passes. So, um staff's recommendation approved. Thank you very much. Good job.

Very much. Thanks for coming. Okay, it's a wrap. Let's go on to number 10. The discussion items. Are there u there are no discussion items unless someone thinks of one. Okay, number 11, community development director comments. My favorite community development director, do you have any updates?

I have one comment. I just would like to remind the commission that next week on Thursday, we are having our annual home builder lunchon. So, um I believe there may be one or two of you that haven't confirmed. So, we would need you to confirm if you are attending. So, uh, outside of that, that's all I have. Thank you, director. Um, so, Commissioner reports on committee activities. Michael, I got a long one this time. Yeah, my back has healed and uh, so I've been doing more stuff. Okay.

Um, on the 23rd, I attended the Meny Education Summit. on the 28th. This is going back to October. I attended a Red Cross blood drive over at Fairfield. I don't know who sponsored that. Um I'm only I'm only mentioning this because of Commissioner Sanchez with the PRTC um mentioned that he went to the uh Los Angeles Dodgers uh parade uh Monday after the series. Well, on the 29th, uh, I attended game five of that World Series. So, we got a little bump up from the PRTC on, uh, commission activities. And on the drive home, we did mention a lot of planning commission. Uh, many names were mentioned on this commission and staff. Um, so it counts. Um,

in in was those names in positivity or other discussions? No, there was no negative. Okay. Nothing negative. Um, on the 3rd of November, I attended the uh inter mural uh flag football game between Bell Mountain and Katherine Newport uh middle schools over at the college. That was pretty cool. Um, on 11:5 I attended the Boulders ribbon cutting ceremony. Uh, on the 7th, I attended the state of the city. On the 8th, um, I attended the Empowering Abilities Resource Fair. Um, that evening, I attended the Zimmerman chili cookoff. Um, I saw you there. I didn't get to say hello, but I saw you there. Does that qualify?

It qualifies. Um, we talked shop with Carwin. Oh, okay. Um, it's true. And he's going to mention it next Wednesday. Uh, yesterday I attended the Veterans Day ceremony and just coming this Saturday is the quarterly bulk item drop off event over at the SECA. Just thought I'd mention that. Thank you. So, so, so what do you do in your free time? I didn't have I I I had the pleasure of going to two of those. So I saw Michael at the um at the at the chili cook off and at the state of the city which went very well. Pretty proud of our city

and I attended the state of the city. Okay. Commissioners request for any future agenda items. I got one. Okay. Um, this will take up no staff time and you can do this for me in the next 30 seconds. Um, can we adjourn this meeting in the honor of in memory of Betty Bur? Commissioner. Yes, sir. Yes, I support that. Of course. So, how do we commemorate her in thought? Okay, we adjourn the meeting in honor of Betty. Meeting adjourned.

Thank you. Make sure you're here next. Next, Sonia. Make sure you're here next meeting.