City Council - Regular Meeting

Having fun? I really like that we got sworn in for Berenstein. I hear Bertrand Rayford here. Shaner here. Scott here. Please stand for a moment of silent prayer, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag. The United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Morgan. Haskell. Morgan. Here. I don't see Morgan. I don't see her. That is not present. Whereas, on behalf of the City Council, I'm pleased to join the Historic Preservation Commission and in promoting May 4th through the 19th as Historic Preservation Week in Sioux City, Iowa. Whereas, historic preservation is an effective tool for managing growth, revitalizing neighborhoods, fostering local pride, and maintaining community character while enhancing livability. Whereas, historic preservation is relevant for all Americans of all ages, all walks of life, and all ethnic backgrounds. Whereas, it is important to celebrate the role of history in our lives and the contribution made by dedicated individuals in helping preserve the tangible aspects of the heritage that has shaped us as a people and a community. Now, therefore, I robbery Scott, mayor of the City of Sioux City,

Iowa, on behalf of City Council, do hereby proclaim May 4th through May 9th, 2026 as Historic Preservation Week. I read it where it was, so we'll get that changed for you in Sioux City, Iowa, and urge all our citizens to learn more about Sioux City and its rich and historic past. I'd like to present this to you guys, and thank you for the great work you do in our community. You do a great job of making Sioux City better and say a few words. Oh, okay. Let's just do a quick recap of what the week entails. The highlights were well, of course today. I mean, look how many people came. Yeah, yeah. And then Wednesday night, Tom will be doing Sioux City trivia at Sioux City Distilling. That is who our award is going to this year for historic preservation. Great. So if you have not been to Sioux City Distilling, you'll have two chances this week to go 6:00 on Wednesday for Sioux City trivia. Austin Foster will be serving some cocktails and we'll have some food. And then Friday at 4:00, we will present them with the Sioux City Star Award for his epic things he's Done with preserving the Ogden Building, better known as the Wigman Building. It's at four, so that'll be fun. Good for you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We have a proclamation that reads, Whereas Sioux City recognizes that nothing is more. Precious, you'd say, well, we've got to go over these more precious in our community than the growth and development of our children. And every young person deserves a safe, loving, and stable home. And whereas

foster care plays a vital role in providing safe and nurturing environments for children and youth in need. And whereas foster kinship and adoptive families open their hearts and homes to children whose families are in crisis play a vital role in helping children and families heal and reconnect, thereby launching young people into successful adulthood. And Whereas, a strong network of community partners including nonprofits, volunteer mentors, education and government agencies help create a support system that uplifts youth and care and promotes long term stability and well-being. Whereas, city acknowledges the essential work of these individuals and organizations encourage more residents to become involved by fostering, advocating and supporting families and their community. Now, therefore, I, Robert E Scott, mayor of the City of Sioux City, Iowa, on behalf of the City Council, do hereby proclaim May 2026 as National Foster Care Month and urge our residents to recognize the significance of foster care and honor the individuals and organizations committed to improving the lives of children and youth in foster care. I'd like to present this to you guys. Say a few words. We'll get that one word changed. That's great. So my name is Emma Kroll and this is Jean Schneider's. We are here with Four Oaks Lutheran Services in Iowa, representing foster care and adoption here today. We just want to thank you guys for declaring May as National Foster Care Month and then as well as thank our families out there supporting our children. And then again, we do have a huge need of foster families across the state of Iowa, especially here in our county. So if you are interested, go to

our website, Iowa Foster and adoption.org. Very good. Thank you, thank you. We'll go to the consent agenda. Items two through 19 G constitute a consent agenda. Items passed unanimously unless a separate roll call vote is requested by a council member. Anyone wishing to speak on an agenda item may come to the podium at the time the item is being discussed. Anybody wishing to speak on an item, not on the agenda may do so at the end of the regular meeting during Citizen Concerns. Please always remember to state your name for the record and then provide your statement. I'll move the consent agenda. Second two is a reading of the City Council minutes of April 27th, 2026. Three is a motion appointing Korean Erickson to the Active Transportation Advisory Committee. Upon due consideration of the circumstances, the City Council waives the policy that no person shall serve on more than one board or commission. Four is a resolution authorizing staff to proceed with negotiations with Riverside Technologies to formulate a contract as the IT managed service provider for Oak View Group's city managed facilities under the management agreement. Who has. John, do you have this under the management agreement with Oak View? Is this our cost expense or is this an expense that they incur? But we manage the contract for them? I'm not sure if I have that. John Malloy. I t not sure if I have.

Okay. It won't affect approving it, but could you maybe get me a summary? Absolutely. Thanks, John. Five is a resolution authorizing the staff to proceed with negotiations from MCP management to formulate a contract as a primary vendor for the city and county cabling services. Six is a resolution authorizing staff to proceed with negotiations with Thompson Solutions to formulate a contract as a secondary vendor for city and county cabling services. I need to abstain. Conflict of interest seven is a resolution adopting plans and specs for the Nebraska Street Water main replacement project. Fifth Street to eighth Street. A resolution amending resolution 2026-0099 to correct a scrivener's error relating to the Consulting Services Agreement with f h designed for the long lines. Family rec center loading dock structural Concrete Repair project nine is a resolution appointing Jason Allen to the transit director. Mike yeah. Council. I would like Jason maybe to come up for a minute just to introduce him. Jason has been with the city for years as our transit operations manager has done an outstanding job. He's been key in internal and external things that transit has going on. He made it a really easy decision for me. So with that, maybe just give a little bit about yourself. Hi, I'm Jason Allen, I've been with transit for about four years. I get the privilege of working with awesome maintenance personnel, bus drivers, administrative staff. We serve the public up close and personal, getting them where they need to go every day. So that's a an honor that we don't take lightly. So being a resident of Sioux City

for the last 12 years, and so I look forward to being here a lot longer. So thank you for the opportunity. I'm very humbled and certainly got big shoes to fill. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. You guys need to come back every week. Yeah come on on. We love it. Positivity. County resolution. Accepting the work and authorizing payment to KP construction for the West Clifton Avenue sanitary sewer improvement Project. 11 actions relating to grants. A is a resolution authorizing the city Manager to submit an airport State funding application for a Commercial Service Vertical Infrastructure Grant to the ideal Tee to assist with terminal improvements at the. B is resolution authorizing the City Manager to submit an airport state funding application for an Airport Improvement Program grant to the IdOt to assist in the third phase of the South Apron Reconstruction project at the airport is 11 B doesn't have anything to do with the 1/85 does not. But on the chamber trip last week, there was obviously quite a bit of dialog in DC, but there was also dialog at the state level. So I would encourage you to maybe reach out to either Chris McGowan or Barbara and ask them where their discussions regarding the 1/85 and potential state funding that was actually finalized in part of the bill that they closed on this weekend for $10 million. Very good. So it was limited to 10 million because in the discussions last week, they were actually sensing that 10 million was the floor. So it did stick at 10 million. That's what I saw. Okay, okay. Thank you. See, as a resolution

authorizing the city manager to apply for an Air Service sustainment grant with from the ideal T to assist with marketing efforts at the airport. D is a resolution authorizing the police department to submit an application to the state of Iowa congressionally directed spending request for grant funding to purchase a surveillance van. E is a resolution authorizing the City Manager to submit an Airport Improvement Grant application to FAA to fund the taxiway C rehabilitation project at the airport. F is a resolution authorizing the City Manager to submit an Airport Improvement Grant application to the FAA to fund perimeter fence improvement project at the airport. 12 are actions relating to street closures. A is a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the downtown area every Friday beginning June 5th and continuing through August 7th for Food Truck Fridays B is a resolution. Mayor. Quick question Mike, about a month ago we talked about possibly identifying a permanent food truck location. Have we had any more discussions on that? We have not. Okay. If we could maybe continue those discussions. Yes. Thank you. B as a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the downtown area on June 6th for the Sioux City Pride Festival. C is a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the downtown area on June 4th to accommodate the Sioux City Pride Parade and staging D is a resolution temporarily closing various sections of alleys and streets in the area of Fifth Street and Floyd Boulevard, June 12th and June 13th for the ride for the kids event. E is a resolution temporarily closing various streets and alleys and streets in the Leeds neighborhood on June 14th for

the Leeds Community Day Street Dance and Car show. F is a resolution temporarily closing various streets in the Leeds neighborhood on June 12th for the Leeds Community Days Parade and staging 13 are actions relating to civil penalties and suspensions. These will be moved to after item 21 because there a hearing rather than a consent. Item 14 are actions relating. Do you need a motion to move? Move. Okay, I'll move that. We move items 13, A and B to the final agenda. Items for hearing second. Bertrand a Rayford a Shaner. I got a Bernstein a 14 or actions relating to agreements and contracts a is a resolution approving renewal option number one to the purchase order with high camp for an additional one year period for aluminum B as a resolution approving accepting a cooperative agreement from HUD for the purpose of processing housing discrimination complaints by the Human Rights Commission. C as a resolution accepting a license and naming agreement with Security National Bank for the naming rights of the baseball playing surface at Lewis and Clark Park. D is a resolution approving a contract with Sioux City Engineering for 2829 Home Street. Emergency Storm sewer repair project E is a resolution granting a permit to Verizon Wireless to maintain underground fiber and related facilities in the area of Harris Street, West 19th Street and Casselman Street. F is a resolution approving amendment number one to the Consulting Services Agreement with DDR engineering for the Nebraska Street Water main replacement project, fifth Street to eighth Street G is a resolution approving a consulting services agreement with McClure engineering for the

Correctionville Road over Bacon Creek culvert replacement project H is a resolution approving a First Amendment to the Development and Minimum Assessment Agreement with WB Land and Development. The property at 3000 Outer Drive. Mayor, I got a question on on that one. Just Renee just I just wanted to know, like, how did we get to the amount or the agreement that we got to? I mean, I like it, I like what we're doing, but I just just had a couple questions. Renee Billings, economic development Manager. So the original agreement with the developer provided that they would have a minimum assessment of 5 million in year one and then 7.5 million in year two and then thereafter. So Midwest Will is going to come in and build the new facility. So they have agreed to take 4 million of the minimum assessment. So the developer will be left with a 1 million minimum assessment in year one, and then 3.5 million thereafter. And so we'll likely come back as additional development happens and the additional new projects will take on the remaining minimum assessment. And it's important to note those are only minimum assessments. If the assessor comes in and works with the developer, that it deserves an increased assessment, they're not limited to that minimum assessment number. Correct. It's likely that the overall property will be assessed that much higher than the 7.5 million. When all is developed. Are we are we are we leaning at trying to do this with more developers and, and those things? Yes, absolutely. As developers need help with infrastructure, this is kind of the way we can come in and help with the upfront cost of infrastructure. They take on a large minimum assessment and then divide it over the projects that get developed on the property. It also protects the taxpayer. Absolutely, absolutely. No thank you, I

appreciate this. Yep. Thank you. Renee, do you know when the construction is supposed to start with Midwest? We'll Midwest we'll I believe will start in 27. Thank you. Thanks. I as a resolution approving a minimum assessment agreement on the Midwest wheels with Midwest Wheel Company. The property at 3000 Outer Drive J is a resolution approving an amendment number one to the service provider agreement with Northwest Electric for the return activated sludge pump repair at the wastewater treatment plant. 15 are actions relating to property A is a resolution amending chapter number 2026-0357 relating to the hearing on the manager's report of demolition and the resolution declaring a structure to be dangerous and dilapidated, and authorizing the City Manager to carry out such an order to demolish by authorizing a 90 day delay in demolition. The property at 2818 Sergeant Road, the owner is Porsche LLC. Go ahead Darryl Darryl Bullock, commercial or excuse me, inspection services manager. This property was in front of council back on the placard hearing date and was ordered demolition. The property owner does has provided the $10,000 cashier's bond. All of the estimates of repairs from the contractors and significant letter of financial means. To do the project. Staff would recommend a 90 day stay of demolition with bond. These are the owners here. If you have any questions for them, go ahead. So your plans. So I'm Tanya, this is my husband Jeff. You need our address? No. Okay. Okay. Our plans are to fix it up completely restore it. This is not the first project we've done. We understand ethical and sustainable restoration. My

husband is an electrical contractor. I have worked in residential real estate for 22 years, and we live in the area. We live about a mile away and we believe in this property. I saw your post on social media, and you have a lot of people who are just excited that you've taken on the project, and you're going to bring some life back into that property. Yeah, and we're not your typical fix and flippers. I've been in enough properties over the years that I can understand the difference between a property that has been well done and may be one where someone has maybe not put quite enough money into it. So where it just is meeting the the bare minimum. I do have a little, I guess, letter, so just we understand the concerns that surround the house. It had been vacant for years, had issues with unauthorized entry and had deteriorated significantly. We stepped in because we want to prevent it from being demolished and restored properly. We have. Since purchasing the property, we've been on a stay, so we can't. We wanted to have the Hvac installed. We have all of our contractors lined up and they are all local companies. I've given Darryl some of the information, but we. Since we can't do any like real permitted type work, we have been cleaning it out. What are your time frames? How are you going to phase the work? Yes. So we have Hvac, Excel, comfort and heating and cooling was supposed to have pulled the appropriate permits and already started on the Hvac. But we were told that we had to stop. The electrical will be easy

whenever my husband's crew can get to it. You heard her say easy. But some people say that plumbing, plumbing. We have Wes Rasmussen with CW Suiter lined up. He can start when we need to, and we have A and B, the. The biggest obstacle we see will be just. Those retaining walls need to be. They need to come down. The city has gotten the job scope. The retaining wall project alone is about a $32,000 project. So. But yes, we. We feel we can get it to the state where we can get the tag removed within 90 days if if we're so allowed. I think one of the biggest concerns was the. I think some of the neighbors just felt like it would just be, you know, someone would come in and just kind of paint over some things. Yeah. And I mean, so thank you for being here today. Yes. And we've, we've done other projects, some we still own and live in on a part time basis. I own and operate an ER in short term rental and that I'm a super host and that is in the top 10% of all properties for that type of. So we don't like, we take pride in what we do. I will say that the scope of work that I've received do indicate does indicate that it will take it beyond the minimum housing standards. I know during the placard hearing the issues that I was pointing to. In addition, there were safety concerns, hoarding issues. Is it cleaned out now and is the property safe? So, you know, hoarding is a mental illness. And we did make arrangements with the owner that she could come in and remove her stuff after

closing. She believes she will have that completely done. She told us by Wednesday, we have Wednesday of this week, Wednesday of this week. We do have within our contract, we allowed that property to be. May 8th is her absolute deadline to have everything out. Anything that is in after Friday, May 8th will become our property and she can no longer have entry to the property. Did the. Did he ask you first before he bought it? You kind of moved on your own on that one. He. He did not get my permission to buy the property. No, he did not. I'm glad you guys are stepping up in the neighborhood. You're local and everything and, you know, good luck. Yeah, I think we can do it. Absolutely. Yeah. Good luck. Have fun. Darryl, are you comfortable that the neighborhood is supporting the project and believes in the project? And am I comfortable in the neighborhood? Comfortable that the neighborhood we had quite a bit of them are here. I know that, and I see the wood berries here, which is why I'm asking the question. Is there I've had I've received no, no additional other than what was at the at the placard hearing. Okay. Yeah. We missed that meeting. We were under the impression we had everything ready to go. And we found out after the fact that that we probably should have been there. Yeah, we did mail out all the neighbors a letter of kind of explanation. Explanation kind of, you know, what a airplanes eye view of what we intend to do and who we are. Any responses to the letter that you sent? Nobody has reached out to me. Anyone else want to be heard? Well, we wish you well. Thank you, thank you. Okay. Get to work on it. B as a resolution proposing to

sell a vacated part of eighth Street adjacent to 702 Saint Mary Street and a vacated north south alleys adjacent to 702 Saint Mary's Street. The petitioners, Amy Lynn Pierce and Damon Marcus Pierce, 16, purchasing as a resolution awarding a purchase order to Estate Truck Center for two dump trucks. B is a resolution awarding a purchase order to carries Corporation for sodium per magnet magnet for the water treatment plant. 17 are applications for cigarette tobacco. Nicotine vapor product permits. 18 are applications for alcohol license, 19 are boards, commission and committee minutes. Anyone to be heard on any of those items? Nicole. Question on 15 B does that have to be heard again next week or is that is that complete that transaction 15 B it's a purchase order. So it's just one vote on that. So it's done. So they can proceed from there. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I think they're under the impression they had to come back in next week for a second reading. But it's not. No for resolutions. It's just one ordinance. That's what I thought. Why don't we clear. Thank you. And I have one question. On 19 A the airport Board of Trustees. We don't have a council representative on the airport board. Is that correct? That's correct. And you would you attend the meetings? Correct. I do, is there a reason why we don't have a council member? It's an administrative board. I think administrative boards don't necessarily have council representatives for. Voting electronically, folks. Passes five zero. Hearing number 20 is a hearing and resolution approving plans and specs for

the Martin Luther King Jr Transportation Center elevator modernization project. I'll move that second public hearings now open. Anyone to be heard? Seeing none. The hearing is closed. Passes 5021 is a hearing resolution approving approving plans and specs for the Seager Avenue water main replacement project. I'll move that second hearings now open. Anyone to be heard. Seeing none, the hearing is closed. Yeah. Passes 5013 are actions relating to civil penalties and suspensions. A is a resolution assessing a $300 civil penalty against Love's truck stop number 4792525 Singing Hills Boulevard for violation of the cigarette laws. I'll move that second public hearings now open. Anyone to be heard? Seeing none. The hearing is closed. Passes five zero B is a resolution assessing a $1,500 civil penalty and a 30 day suspension of the cigarette permit permit issued to Sky High Smoke Shop

and Vape, 1901 Hamilton Boulevard for violation of the cigarette laws. I'll move that second public hearings now open. Anyone to be heard? Seeing none, the hearing is closed. I did have a earlier question with Nicole and Heidi in light of the fact that this is their third, the prior fine, the suspension and as it relates to their application, but it doesn't affect their ability to apply for their 2627 application. Correct. Okay. You want to be heard on that? Please come forward sky high. Can you make sure and speak right into that microphone? Introduce yourself. State your name, please. My name is Musa al-Khwarizmi. I'm the owner for Sky High Smoke Shop. I do everything for for my business, for life. I do the scan for the. I do scan the ID and I do all, everything. I respect the law, but right now I have the letter, you know, for for the fee, like it's 1500. Everything for the fee, I will do it for that one. But I don't know how can I do it for the on, you know, because this is the mistake for the employee. Did you move the microphone up a little bit? I'm sorry. I'm having trouble hearing you. I see I don't know how can I do for the the worker with my business, you know, because they have a lot of business. I don't know what they're going to do. You're saying your employees aren't scanning the ID cards? Yeah. Sometimes you have the mistake. You know, I don't know. Well, I told him I have I have the system. I have this the sign from our side, from the door and the cash register and everything, you know. But I told him every anyone he do the ticket. I gonna fire him. I

don't care, you know, he he don't respect my business, but but staff is not using the ID process. Is that right? Yes. Anyone he have the mistake. I going to fire him. You know because I told him he don't. You don't respect the business. You don't respect my business. How can I trust you for my business? Because I don't know right now. I don't know what I going to do if you have. Give me another chance. For I don't like clothes for my store. Like for 30 days. I don't think we're allowed to do that. Yeah. I don't think we have a third violation. It is a 1530 days, and we don't have latitude to modify the penalty. Correct. State law, state code that dictates that we're not closing the business. We. There is a. But there's a 30 day suspension for the license. Right? Right, right. So he can't sell. I can't close it, you know. But we can't do anything about it once it's the third time that that the state sets the parameters. We don't. So we we have to suspend it. And you have to close for 30 days. Yes. You have to close 30 days. Well, yeah. Unless unless you're selling something else. But you better not get caught selling cigarettes and vape products than that. No. Do you, do you sell other things in there? Not only just cigarettes and the vape, they say, oh, I thought maybe I don't know. No, no. Right. I do everything. I respect the law. I don't do anything like it's out the law because got a hammer that staff right. Unfortunately as a third as a third violation our hands are tied. So anyway, I don't know what I got to do. I have three days to right here in South City and they have in Omaha and Snow Falls in Chicago. I have too much headache for my business. I don't know what I'm

going to do. Well, the worker, you know, I do the system, I scan the ID, he scan the ID and the system. I told him, you can't scan the ID, whatever, but I don't know. I do everything anyway. We understand there's literally nothing that we can do. All right. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Anyone else hearing is closed. Passes five zero ordinances. 22 is an ordinance amending chapter 13.08 Sanitary Sewer Rates of the Municipal Code to increase rates for outside municipalities and outside improvement Districts by a 27.4, effective November 1st, 2026. First consideration approved on April 27th, I'll move second. Is there a second? Second, Tom, what are the other cities saying? I'm second reading. Yeah. Public Works director. I haven't heard any comments from the other cities other than a thank you for letting them know. And they do know. Yep. Okay. And I can candidly, I was able to spend some time with Jeff Dooley on the chamber trip last two weeks ago. And he understood he acknowledged it. And he said that they completely understand the city's position. Now, I don't want to speak for him,

but he was sharing that in his candor was, you know, very clear in communications I've gotten from him in the past as well. I, I put a little analogy together for a citizen who are thinking, a local citizen who is thinking that the 27% sounds, you know, awful, but it equates to about $4.40 for an average household of two users. So it's not as horrible as it seems. It makes a good headline, but it's not as horrible as it seems. I think it's very approachable. But again, everyone that uses that plant, whether they're a sister city or whether it's in Sioux City, has got to invest in it because they use it. They can't just be pay a little monthly bill. We have to sustain it, and we have to be accountable for the maintenance fund of it. And there's no other way to do it. This has to be fair and equitable. Not only the plant, but it's the conveyance systems and all the lift stations that it all goes through. So that's what a lot of infrastructure, all the conveyance systems that it takes to get that waste. So, Tom, I understand all that. I'm just asking the question. Yeah. Good job. You know what? You jumped on that and it's smart business. And I really appreciate you did a lot of work quick and found the legalese around it. And it's probably going to do this again in a year. And I thought you communicated very well. The big thing too, is I want to make sure that people understand this is not Sioux City. This is our sister cities. This is Sergeant Bluff, the Dunes, South Sioux. They're going to pay their share. And it needed to be done years ago. And so we raised another million dollars to the city. And it seems like there's no resistance. Nobody's

been here. So great job. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Mayor. Thanks. Passes five zero. I still think when you do a 27.4% rate, you should take all three readings. So I would not be fine with that. 23 is an ordinance amending chapter 12.3, 0.020 storm water program maintenance fee and 12.30 and 030 special rule for certain nonprofit organizations of the Municipal code to modify the stormwater collection fee. First consideration was approved April 20th. The second consideration was approved April 27th. I'll move third reading second. Passes five zero. Yeah, I apologize, I misheard Councilman Bertrand. He was asking about 15 B instead of 16B15B. Does require a hearing that will return to the council on May 18th. And that's done. And it's done. Done. And then it will be done. Yes. Thank you. 24 is motion authorizing staff to draft a

city ordinance legalizing the utilization of Utvs on specified city streets. I'm not moving it. I'll move it second. So it's nothing's going to happen. So with some discussion. So I was unable to be at the public discussion because that was the week that I was in. The mayor was as well in DC with the chamber trip. And so I'm curious, like if you could maybe share some of the input. Also, I know that an forwarded a summary of the citizens concerns, and I was able to see it and read it, but it was hard to decipher. The dashboard gave you a dashboard, gave you the totals. Yeah. The dashboard gave you a visual more than just a very good one. I'm with. Yeah, I'm with Craig. I don't I'm and maybe it was just my smaller screen. This is in the nose. I just couldn't decipher the final input. I know that Ike's got a couple of different proposals, but maybe before we get to what proposals might look like or next steps, could you share a little bit about what you learned? Absolutely. Tuesday night, as I said, a couple of weeks ago, I was actually very impressed with the engagement of the citizens for the listening session. We had a room full of citizens out. We had, you know, a little bit on both sides. I think, you know, we heard a lot of good conversation, the Chiefs here, and I don't know if you want to give some input as to some of the things you heard as well. But I think we're at a point where we, you know, should ask staff to, to at least draft a couple of options for ordinances and see what those look like as it relates to what the state has allowed us to do. And, and then we, we, we make a

decision. One question that that I have that I think relates to the use of whether it's ATVs and I know this is just on Utvs, not ATVs. Right. But does. Chief, do you know or do you know that when you purchase a UTV from one of the local retailers, you get paperwork, you get a booklet, a pamphlet? Do the manufacturers of the units recommend or do they do they say not for public street use. Do you know Chief Rex Mueller Police Department? When we researched this a few years ago, a lot of those vehicles do have a disclaimer that they're not made for that. But I would imagine that this would be an individual basis. There's new classes of vehicles coming out. So for me to comment and say, you know, a razor is a this isn't. So I think that's I'd have to look at those vehicles. I know a significant amount of them of certainly the ATVs, as opposed to the Utvs say for not for on road use for specific reasons, but I think but you're not certain with the Utvs. Well, and like I said, it depends on the manufacturer. I'd hate to make a comment and be proven wrong because manufacturers have changed. You know, the tires, the suspension, something that would make them more roadworthy. Obviously, they're made for off road, right? So thanks, chief. And I do think that that distinction between ATVs and Utvs, I'm I would go on the record as saying that I will, you know, never vote to allow ATVs on city streets. But I think the Utvs is a different class of vehicle. And from what I've seen and my research, yeah, I think, you know, whatever we

can do to, to move forward. So all we're doing today, right, is just giving direction. You have a couple proposals. I got some ideas, but I want to hear yours. Well, my, my proposal, I mean, I've, I've emailed staff to, to, to come up with a couple of options. What do you want to share those I can I'll, I'll send to you what the chief I got question on the ATVs and Utvs. What's the fine for an ATV fine on the road. An all terrain a four Wheeler. Do we know? Well, depends on the traffic violation. I mean, they would be they would fall into the same regulations that we you're talking about if it's not legalized. Yeah. Right now ATVs, ATVs aren't legal on the street right now. I think it's 70 bucks. I have to look on their. Yeah. So my question is how many. Because the concern is that from the police standards, they use these in a lot of other municipalities and other states across the road. And I applaud, I for giving this thing a vote, which I think it deserves a vote one way or the other. My question is how from the HQ is the is the biggest push by the police department is is because you have to chase them or because of the they're going through yards or what's what's the biggest concern with not even having an A? Let's start with the ATVs. What. Not having them on. When the council asked for our guidance, all I can do is provide what ifs is is forecast. What are the potential consequences? And, you know, do I have personal feelings? Yes. My staff is divided as to whether or not this is something that should or shouldn't. So obviously there's a difference of opinions out there. Just in my research, some of the concerns that were brought up was just the safety piece, their interaction with other traffic. Now the ATV or excuse me, UTV advocates have said, well, they're safer than motorcycles. That's a point

that they point pointed out noise also that being a concern, because traditionally they're not quite as quiet. And then that gets brought up again. Well, people with straight pipes on their motorcycle, those are allowed to underage drivers that the fact that these would be legalized almost like golf carts, are we going to see underage drivers operating will, if given the opportunity, will people fall into the, you know, fall into line and follow the laws in that they would equip them as required with the appropriate light safety mirrors? ET cetera. ET cetera. That again becomes another concern because those are usually add ons. There are enforcement challenges. There's no doubt about it. Is there the possibility that people use them on bike trails, walking trails? Yes. I think the the talking session that Councilman Raiford facilitated did a very good job of allowing people to address some of those thoughts regarding legalization. I have reached out to other chiefs in the state, didn't get much of a response for those that legalized. They said they haven't seen a lot of enforcement issues, meaning for those communities that that legalized, they haven't had a lot of issues that that made them recommend one way or the other. So my question, how many how many do you think we have an ATV issue right now in the city at all? Like an ATV issue? I mean, with big of, of recklessness? Yeah. I mean, just recklessness or a presence of we've definitely seen some of that watch dashcam footage. How many tickets have we issued on ATVs? I don't even know. I don't know offhand. I don't think it's many, like I say, because I know they're screaming around my neighborhood and we call and nobody gets busted. My question is because when all the UTV, the UTV guys all present themselves and I believe that

that they're going to they're going to be responsible. These are high dollar kind of buggies. So what I was what I would propose is when when they go to draw this up and I can let me see if this follows with what you're thinking is from a proposal standpoint is number one, I think there's going to be some confusion if we pass this between ATV and UTV immediately. So I think we should wrap up. I think that fines and stinging is going to is going to help with enforcement. So I think immediately we should look at take another look at what the fines are for ATV usage on roads other than $70. If we take that to a 250 fine or something like that, we should take another look at the ATV fines if we bring this on board. The other thing is, on the UTV side of it is it's going to be training. I'm not so much worried about the person that owns the buggy. It's does the kid jump on it and tear off across there? So there's got to be some some type of a household regulation to this component of it. So what I would suggest, and this is just we're just going to get freaked out is I think we should put something in place where on a first offense, the vehicle is impounded and it's $1,000. So that right now it stings. So if these are the everyday people that are coming in and they're doing what they're supposed to do, this should not be an issue at all. And then on a second, second, on a second offense, I think, again, you impound the vehicle and it becomes a $1,500 offense. So it's got to be. And then what I like about this introduction with the fining part of it is it's going to get control of these vehicles. But then I think you sunset the fines after like three years, which is an introduction time, sunset the fines and then go, go ahead. I don't know if we can do it or not. No, we're limited to simple misdemeanors and the scheduled what's the highest you can find? I think it's is it 650. Depends on the violation. Depends on the violation. We can either do a municipal infraction, which can go up to $1,000, but the judges have discretion as to what they

actually institute on that. Do we have discretion to impound? That's a dicey. I mean, if it's if it's a. Yeah. And I agree with. So if you if you if you if you've got kids jumping on it, because here's the biggest concern, which you get from people you talk to, you talk to Menards or Walmart, the biggest concern is they're going to jump on these things. They're going to be terrorizing the neighborhoods. So how do you get in front of it? You get in front of it by where it stings. So if if the kid jumps on it or the guy gets on it and they abuse that, the privilege that the city is looking at giving it, then let's find it and let's impound it. And then again, I promise you, people aren't there. Whatever our maximum fine we can do, or let's find the avenue that we need to do. And I think that's, to me, that's a fair compromise. I'm not trying to penalize the sale of the vehicles. I think they're going to they're going to do very well in Sioux City. But I just think there needs to be an introductory. If you're screwing around, you get caught. There's going to be going to be a real not 70 bucks. And that's been my complaint with the ATV thing is that these. There's no consequence with the ATVs. So that's I I'm, I'm open minded on this thing completely. I just think I'd like us to research more than Nicole on the, on the, what we can do from a, from an enforcement standpoint, is that fair? Is that a fair? Yeah. And I, and I believe that the those that were proponents offered that as well, that they offer that stiff penalty. Yeah. So that's kind of where we got it. Nicole. The other question that I would have, and I know that I think it's ultimately going to request maybe three different alternatives. But the other piece and part of the reason I was asking the question about the manufacturers recommended use or recommended non uses is an insurance question. You know, if they're not recommended for street use and there's an incident doesn't will will their insurance coverage cover claims. So I think it's just something that we need to be aware of as well. And I believe that's part of the registration with the DNR. It is they have

to have the proof of insurance. Okay. They do because I don't think I have to with my boat. When I reached my boat, I'm pretty sure I don't have to show insurance. I'm just looking really quickly. And I was going to say the DNR. Nicole, I don't you don't need to give us an answer today. I just want that to be on your radar. I think there is a minimum requirement with the DNR that they have to have the insurance requirement be 18 years of age to operate and so forth. Valid driver's license. Okay. Thank you. We'll follow those codes that are already in place by the DNR, and we'll have to look at exactly what we're allowed to do. We can be more restrictive sometimes than the state unless it's preempted in the state code. So those are all things we'll be looking at when we're bringing forward a draft. As to what the max amount is that we can do for safety and regulations within the state parameters. Sounds good. And I've asked for a couple of options so that that we can have some. But you're not proposing ATVs? No ATVs off the table, only Utvs. And. Would you guys be opposed to once you pass an ordinance like a one year trial period? I wouldn't know. And that's part of the, I think, thing that I was looking at. If we're restrictive and we see how that goes, if we need to be a little less after a year, then we can do that. But I think as, as Councilman Bertrand said, we let's let's be tight and then we can ease up later. Mr. mayor, are you considering that? Well, I mean, I don't have a huge problem with it, but I want to control it. I mean, if you go to the Black Hills, there's more of them than there are cars right now, unfortunately, which is a little scary when there's 3 or 400 of them

running together. But but I just think if the kid jumps on the buggy and gets busted and 1500 bucks in impoundment, that's going to stop that pretty quick. Yeah. Anyway, there are and there are some state licensed cars. There are some state restrictions that even, you know, for us being in Sioux City or state highways, they're not allowed on. You know, all of that will play into all of that, right? Absolutely not. Right. So so we're going to vote whether or not we're going to move forward with having staff draft a couple of very limited direction. Just move forward to draft an ordinance or multiple options or multiple language to give us consideration. Taking into account everything that we've discussed. And we'll be looking for direction down the road too, as well as which roads. Obviously we're limited on four lanes, primary highways, right, state controlled highways. But if it's city wide, I mean, those are all of the things that we'll need to be looking at when we're is there a maximum speed limit of 35 miles an hour? It's actually even 30. Is it 30, 35, I believe. This is good dialog. You know, the the difficult part is, you know, chief, as you mentioned, the Utvs are either as safe or safer than motorcycles or, or other vehicles that are permitted on the road. So it's a, it's a very difficult balance of what we should and shouldn't permit. So. Well, and I do sorry. Go ahead, go ahead. I do have the. Dashboard from the total of the survey that we put out and in support of the Utvs, it's about

67% who took the survey is in support of approving it, 31% against. And about 2% were unsure who took the survey. So we're leaning towards and wanting it. About 800. It was a big it was a big sample 80, something like that. Yeah. And as I said the first night, you know, we want to get it right. We want to be a city of of progressiveness and change and, and doing things. And so, you know, we're taking our time with it. So this is not a decision that we just said yes or no. And so. 826. The survey. Okay. All right. Thanks, chief. Thanks, chief. Passes five zero citizen concerns. Are there any citizens to be heard? If so, please come to the microphone. State your name. Hello. I'm Lihi, Tonga. Lihi. How are you, Craig? Hey. Wanted to come back and discuss the property at 901 Nebraska Street. I know I sent all of you guys an email. I appreciate the responses on that. A couple of things. One is trying to figure out. When you get a 90 day stay like, like we, we received in there, it does outline that there has to be progress made on the

property. And I'm wondering what the definition of that is. You want to come up. Inspection services manager progress would be actual movement forward permits in place, contractors hired. Those kind of things would be actual progress, just like what was here a half hour ago with that property on South Saint Mary's. We have all of that though. So that took nine. That took over nine months. These people were here two weeks ago, and they've already got that stuff and they've got contractors lined up. There's a big difference. You're not comparing apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and oranges. But to be fair, I think that that is true. It is not the same. And the only reason why is because I've restored many house properties, and they're not always required to have blueprints. That is the major difference here. Those guys and what they presented today was what I presented the day that the stay was, was, was granted everything that they brought today. Daryl, is this true or not? Requirements for commercial properties are different than requirements for residential properties. It is different. So it's not the same. But everything that they provided today, I did provide the day that the stay of demolition was presented. The only difference is that I have to supply blueprints. So in order to do that, we couldn't do it until the demolition. The 90 day stay was granted because it's like it was it's almost $40,000. So we communicated that we were not going to move forward on even starting the blueprint process until we were granted from city Council to move forward. And so and since then, there has been communication that that's what we were doing. I have an email

between Daryl and myself and with Heath, the inspector, in December, setting up time to meet and go over the property. We've that was discussed at a prior event here at the council. We did show up at that meeting. So did the architects. Lihi was there at present for a few minutes and received a phone call and left. So there was not a final anything there other than basic questions from the architect, and they left. So there was not a conclusion at that point. It was that. Daryl that wasn't an accurate depiction. I, I apologize, I have to just be straightforward because this is obviously my life here. You weren't there. You I asked you to be present. You sent Heath, which is totally understandable. And I respect that. But before prior to the meeting, I let them know my father was in the hospital. He had a heart attack. If I get the call, I would have to go before I left though. And I wasn't there for only a few minutes. It was at least 3040 minutes at this point. Before I left, I said, can you guys continue to iron this out? And is there anything that you absolutely need me present for? Because if so, I'd like to still be present and knock that out now before I go. They all said, it's totally fine. You can go. They're professionals. These guys draw up blueprints every single day. Heath inspects. That's his job. Every single day they can work together and finding out if there was any discrepancies that were working from on a construction standpoint versus what the city's expectation is. Right? I mean, understandable. I sent Daryl that correspondence happened in December, came back. We ended up not being able to move forward with that particular company. We started again in January. We then since finalized and got everything

done and submitted back to the city in March. So I that's very reasonable for me. And what think it would take somebody to get 14 unit blueprints done and submitted to the city? That was two weeks ago. I haven't heard back. And I know that they're busy, but I'm trying to figure out how what annotates progress because I asked to do physical work and was told no. So the only way that I can do any work on the property is if I have blueprints done that. Progress has tried to be made. So how you do or you do not have the blueprints? I did and I submitted them to the city two weeks ago. Yeah, they were resubmitted after there was initial considerations. The submittals do not have stamps on them, nor are they complete yet. So. So they're not stamped and they're not completed. You don't. The second set was not. The first set was, but it was not complete. So revisions were made to it sent in, and then the stamps were not present on those revisions either. And we can I would be more than happy to get that. But that that we have to come to City Council meeting to be told that. I just I asked, hey, if there's anything that you need here, if you if you could give that to me. I'm not trying to be difficult there. I promise you that. We've worked together for many years and never had a problem. I've never, ever I've never had a problem. I'm like, I'm actually dumbfounded because in the email that I stated and I included everybody, I made it very specific. I'm more than willing to communicate. You can reach out to me at any point in time. I will absolutely jump on it and respond and get it done for you. I even asked today if there was an update on the plans, where we can, where we can go from here, no response. And then we come here and you're like, well, yeah, there was problems with it. Well, I'd love to know that so I can get on it for you guys.

Just like every other instance, if there's any other problems in the permitting process, you reach out to the contractor and you give them that opportunity to make changes. Why is that different right now? But why is it different now than it was nine months ago? It it is not different. I, I outlined a resurgence of energy and you're trying to rebuild trust with the city on a project that has basically been abandoned since the new owner bought it in 2020 223. It's sat there. I do understand that all of a sudden the placard hearing comes and you're being responsive to that. To be fair, it was before that I've always and this is why I would like to ask, and I asked in the email, I would like to ask Daryl if he's ever contacted me or his team. Ask Keith, the inspector, when you got. Let me explain something to you. When you got a 90 day stay, I can't impress upon you enough that that's not Daryl's job anymore. That's your job. Correct. You have to do. You should be here. Daryl should not have to be here. Daryl asked me not to. Bob. Well, there there was no urgency whatsoever until the demolition comes up again. No, no, no. For the 90 day stay. I can respond to that for sure. There was never a comment from you asking me to not come to this. There was. I never told you not to come to any of this. No no no no no. You just clarify the statement in front of council. I just want to be very clear on that. I, I clarified because I did understand that that was what he like there was an implication and I did not want to make that at all. All I was saying was at the 90 day stay, he said there wasn't it wasn't a requirement for me to be here. So I said, okay, no problem. And there was and there wasn't any. He got it done. That's great. But that was my communication. The day I signed the paper, I said, Daryl, I actually didn't sign it the

first day his the secretary was there. She gave me the paperwork, I got it. I went into the office and I got it and I said, hey, this language reads that I have to get this project done in 90 days. It's impossible. And then I spoke with Daryl and he said, no, it does say that, but there is there just has to be progress made. And I said, okay, but when was that? August. It was August. It was the end of August. Right. And then you said you would have the project finished in 6 to 9 months. And it's from the plans being done. But the plan we I will start work tomorrow. If I get the green light tomorrow, but we can't. But your plans aren't approved because if I if I start work tomorrow, I'll get a fine and they'll still move forward. Right. So that's the problem I have. I will start work tomorrow if given the approval, but we cannot. And I've asked multiple times. I said, hey, there's some things exterior wise that we can just start with that are not structural to the property. We can at least get moving on those. The roofing company was ready to go. I said, hey, can we just get at least get the roof done that way that there's not a continual dilapidation on the interior of the project. I was told we cannot do anything, which That is the standard until the blueprints are approved. So there was no. But you've had from last August until now to get blueprints. And now it is not as easy. How do other people do it then? You're saying that you're very experienced in doing these things, and I believe you. But for some reason, this specific site that has been broken into, it's been had fires, it's had everything else since the new ownership, nothing has happened. And now I can't believe that

you cannot get blueprints from when this building was purchased until now. Now, again, the demolition order was given. Now there's a sense of urgency coming from you and your partner. I've only been involved since August. Is part of it, Lehigh, that you don't want to commit the capital. I think you said $40,000 to get the blueprints finalized and stamped and submitted, or has that process occurred? We we did that. There was some revisions when I talked to Henry originally, like I submitted to him, we looked over him quick. I went back and spoke with him personally. He said, hey, there are a couple of things that you need to do just right off the top. So I reached back out to the guys. They made those revisions. The original blueprints did. They were stamped. So if the revision wasn't stamped, it was just an oversight. It's the same company. They just they just need to stamp the revision. But they were done. Oversight. Well, I mean, it just does. That's what they do. I'm not sure how you create plans and you don't use your authority and stamp them. What's the wishes of the council? What you're being asked? I don't know that anything is being. He's just. I'm asking to start. I'm asking to start the work. I'm asking to start the work. We can start the work tomorrow. I have everything ready to go. Obviously, on the agenda for us to vote on it is not. So first thing you would have to do is go. It would have to get onto the agenda. And then and then we can, you know, I'd love to come back for that as well, but we we're ready to go and, and hold on, hold on, hold on. So where's, where's the partner in all this? He lives in Montana. Okay. What's his involvement at this point? Is he putting up the money? He's the money guy. Yeah. So he's the money guy.

Okay. So is he. Is he. Is he produced you? You personally a letter of credit or some type of funding? Or do you have proof of funds? I mean, because you told me this project is 900 grand. To me it ain't. But just you're we're both in construction, I think. I think you're gonna put a ton of sweat equity. That's fine. I just think that there's a validity problem here. And Julie's right. There's just there's a validity problem here. And I hope this guy isn't setting you up. No, it's it's financed through the bank. He's not financing it personally, but his responsibility and the and the project is that that's his responsibility is to handle that. So he did. He got with the bank. We secured the financing. We submitted that letter. Now, I did talk to Darryl, and there was. Put a potential language issue in the letter. So I got that revised and I'd be more than happy to send it to you. But so, so have Darryl, have you, because that was an issue I pointed out to Darryl. Yeah. Two months ago, when I looked at what was represented as a letter of credit, that was not a letter of credit. It was a letter from a financial institution, I believe, in the Iowa City market, that simply said that they're available to help finance the project. Financing the project is not indicating that there's a that there's a letter of credit. The letter of credit indicates that the funds are in the bank supporting the project. Amount of money that was stated on the letter was $900,000, and that had been approved for repairs on the properties, not necessarily the address here, and that was two years prior to the address or the date on the. So is there a new letter or a commitment I've received? I have not, but I do have one. I'm more than happy to send it to you guys. I'd send it to Darryl. Yeah, yeah. I was gonna say. And as you shared with me, you know, you basically had $1 million. You took $100,000 and used it as a bond, right? Or, and then so that left that 900 for you to finish those things up with. So, which we still will have access

to once we get going. So a lot of companies that are doing $100,000 bonds on properties like this, they don't want to take that on. So if you go to a bond company and you wanted to get that, it's not going to happen all the time. But they will, however, do it maybe mid-project. So then we can go to them. It's a smaller fee. They take on the risk, then we get our cash back and then we can use that. But it we it's not necessary for that cash, but we do have $100,000 in cash with the city that if we get if we get bonds company eventually throughout the project to pick it up, typically it'll be 10%. We pay $10,000, they give us the cash back and we can use it. Mike, do you have any thoughts? You know, it's been a process, I think, to get where we're at right now and right now where we're sitting is going out for demolition. I don't think we have any plans that have been reviewed at this point to finality. To give you complete responses back. It's really up to the council whether you want to give additional time. If you want to give a date, certain, that'd be my only recommendation. If you were to give leniency, give a date certain on what that needs to be in 30 days. I know I'm not willing to do it again. We were given the 90 days and I just for for me, I like we, we, we talk about potentially like, no offense, Rick, but you sent in the email that you would love to give us an opportunity to develop in the future we're developing now. Dude, I'm the champion of development. If I, if I thought this project was valid, man, I'd be I'd be screaming right now. I just don't think it's valid. I think I think what's going to happen is this thing's been kicked down the road. I think you're going to get about a third of the way into this and it's going to go broke. It's going to be a mess and it's going to

go to court and it's going to sit there for three years and it's going to be versus it's time to clean the neighborhood up. Let's. If housing needs to go there, then let's, let's put a real project with fresh, whatever needs to be income housing in there. That's just that's my opinion. But I'm just saying I'm all about the side of it. But I don't think it can happen. He let you talk. That's all. I just I just don't think it's I just don't think it's I don't think it's a valid project. I think you're going to get took on this, I really do. I'm not trying to protect you. I'm not giving you legal advice. I just think that it's the the scope of the project and the fuzziness around it and the timing of it just doesn't make sense. And I think it's time to clean the neighborhood up. That's it sucks. I agree with cleaning the neighborhood up, which is why we're trying to do it. But I would ask you that question. You just said that you would want people to develop it and turn it into to housing for someone who is that? There's a ton of people, maybe, maybe even you. My why? Maybe it's my property. That's what I said, right? So why? Maybe that's what I don't understand. What I don't understand is I'm saying I have the capital, I have the experience. I have everything ready to go. Why do I maybe get an opportunity at developing my land? How does absurd does that sound? Where's your partner? That's what I said. Because I'm not saying you can't do the work, but I like to see the money guy stand there and make a statement that he's going to make sure that that million dollars is available. Because right now we got a letter, we had a developer at the airport, Mike. He had all kinds of letters of credit. Of course, none of them were on a bank that was actually a bank, but he had some really fancy, nice letters. I mean, I want to know who the dude is that's got the cash in the project. Why is he not here? This is what he does. Developers come to town and and show up, fight for the project. Right, guys? And I know you're saying that the property is yours, but has it been added to the. Name of the property? It has. And that was submitted to Darryl. And he wouldn't actually talk to me until he

got that paperwork. So it is. So if I pull up beacon, your name's on it now too. It's it's on the LLC that the property that owns the property. Yes. I think the first it won't appear on beacon because to your point, Julie, I can look at the owner of the real estate will indicate. But look and see if you're a manager or member of the LLC, we'd have to look in the. And it actually had to go to the legal department. So I submitted that paperwork to Darryl and he. I think that the first step is obviously there needs to be some approved plans and. And until that, there is no work that can be done. So, you know, if the plan, you know, I, I mean, that's where we're at, right? Yeah. So Darryl, I don't know, you know, what that looks like. I don't know if if you can get that done by the end of this week. I don't know, Darryl, what's going to happen over the next 30 days with the demolition, the realistic timeline of what you're looking at for the next 30 days, a scope that would be able to be accomplished in the next 30 days would be the survey. That would be the first step, and you have to wait for the lab results. So within that time period of 30 days, a asbestos survey could be conducted and lab results back knowing what would have to be abated. So clearly you're not going to be able to do anything in the next 30. Even if we do nothing tonight, you've got 30 days where you've got to have an asbestos analysis. In 30 days, you'll report back to tell us whether asbestos affects the demolition. Correct. Asbestos will always affect demolition. Yes. If the report indicates the amount is what changes, the next action would just be to bring a demo contract back to council. Correct. But not for 30 days until you know, the asbestos results could be part of the contract. There's there's several steps to it and there's several pieces of the contract. Some of those contracts are smaller, small enough dollar amount that they do not need to come to council, which unfortunately, those are

the very first ones. If you pull the trigger. Have you pulled the trigger on the demo? Yes. So the triggers as you pulled the trigger on the demo contract, have I pulled on it? No, I that's there's a lot of steps. That's really what we're asking. There's a lot of steps that have to take place before that. Are you I'm asking is because I'm not sure the survey do anything tonight. We can't. That's what I'm saying is that we can't do anything tonight. You've got effectively a period of time until Darryl can finalize the demolition. If you can prove I. I spend this week getting as much done as you can before he pulls the trigger on the demolition. And while we can't do anything and won't do anything formally, my sense is that if you can prove that you can make progress in this first seven days, 14 days to get to 30 days, I think the council wants to try and find an opportunity to save the property. I appreciate that. I understand what Rick's saying. I understand what you're saying. It's a great looking property. Yeah. If I were you and it's not, it's also not unrealistic for us to ask developers to show a proforma is how I show the show, the perform on it. And there's nowhere through all of this you're looking at 14 apartments. What are you going to get for rent on those? I look, I look at your plans. I looked at them. So you got the one one and a half beds, those type of things. You're hoping to get a grand. They're all two beds. But yeah, they got that little jog. I'm not sure you're gonna get that through, but but so you're looking to get a grand. Yeah, somewhere in there. So in that neighborhood you get 1000 bucks. I mean, so I, you know, does it even work? I mean, it absolutely works. Okay. It didn't work. It doesn't work in my math, but are you going for market rate rent? What's I'm sorry, is it market rate rent? Is that what you're going to price it out at? I'm not. We're not sure until we get close. But you know, obviously it's

not going to be luxury housing right there. Right. So whether that be working through low income housing, HUD housing, that's what you already have 52,000 bucks. It ain't going to be high end housing. Right? Well, I think you got to get the work done. I mean, I think at this point, yeah. But for us, we we just want to get the work done. And what and this is totally respectful for sure. But if I lose on the project, that's on me. But I'm not going to because this is what we do, right? Like if you you do a lot of it. And if you go and you develop a property that's on you and if and you would never be told that you should make a profit on developing the property, no, your profit on it is on the equity of the property, same as mine. So saying that I'm going to put equity, sweat equity into a property is absolutely true because that's what I do. I wouldn't expect to not do that. So Leah, I told you, you know, from the start of this that I'm willing to give you 30 days. You said you could get a lot done in 30 days. Absolutely. I don't know what that looks like as it relates to getting plans and, and getting work done, but I'll stand on that. So, you know, thank you. As Craig said, you have the two things, the two things I told you, Lee, I am happy to look at this objectively. I'm continuing to look at it objectively, but Daryl needs to be comfortable that real progress is being made because the council is going to take direction from Daryl. That is his job, yes. And at this point, Daryl does not seem comfortable that you and your partners can make the necessary progress, whether

it's seven days or 30 days. All I can my sense right now is because there is a natural delay of likely at least 30 days because of an asbestos study. I'd be working as hard as you can to convince Daryl over the next seven days to 14 days that you're making real progress, because Daryl comes back up to that mic in seven days or in 14 days and says, I am comfortable that Lee and his partners are making true, objective progress. I'm willing to revisit it, but unless Daryl tells me that I'm, I'm, I'm not going to change my perspective. Would I get a commitment to look in the plans over and getting that done? Because if I. That's the only way that real progress can be made. So like, unless that happens, you know, but I haven't gotten a response back. We will look over those plans, but they still need to be stamped and they're not stamped at this point. So if council is asking us to look at those plans, are not prepared to let him get them stamped first and submit them to you. It won't. Look at those if you would like us to. But yeah, no. Do you know the timeline that it would take to review those? Daryl, as soon as we get them in here, depends on the amount of work. We could probably get them done within a week or so. Okay. No, I just wanted to make sure because I didn't want to come back next week and say, well, why haven't you done anything? I just wanted to get them stamped and then resubmit them. Okay. All right. I'll do that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thanks. Anyone else be heard? Any other citizen concerns? Hi. Sheila Moore, the warming shelter. Hi, Sheila. How's it going? Thanks for having me. So in order to stay under my three minutes, I brought a little note. Take as much time as you need. Oh, can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes. Now we can. All right. Good evening. My name is Sheila Moore, and I serve as the executive director of the Warming Shelter. I'm here tonight to respond to the discussions that took place last week regarding the efforts

to classify the warming shelter as a nuisance or a specified crime property. The approach being taken right now is not, in my opinion, a productive finger pointing, sharing, misleading information, and framing our organization in the worst light possible does not move this community towards solutions. It creates division, it fuels frustration and ultimately leaves everyone feeling unheard. No one wins in that environment. My goal is simple and transparent, as it has been since day one, to continue operating a low barrier shelter that saves lives and provides a place for people to stabilize and rebuild your goal. Rick has been less clear from what I've gathered, there have been two possibilities. Maybe more. You want us to either move from our current location because it doesn't align with your vision for downtown, or you want us to cease operations entirely. If either of these interpretations on my account are correct, then I just want to be straightforward. Offer ideas on where you believe the shelter should be located, and work with us to explore those options. I ask you to join the discussion of how we can best serve this population and address the concerns that you have. Collaboration will move us forward. Accusations won't be a part of the solution. Don't just identify something you see as a problem. If it does, it does not benefit the warming shelter, the council or the community to continue exchanging claims. Counterclaims. If you want me to spend time addressing every inaccurate or misleading statement made about our organization, I absolutely will do that. However, I think it is a far better use of our time to identify what each party wants to see, and then working toward a solution that protects both

our community interests and human lives. Thanks, Sheila. Thanks. Any questions? So in full candor and transparency, I reached out to Sheila this morning. We had a very nice visit. I wanted to get her perspective on some of the commentary, and I appreciate what the chief had mentioned last week. Rick, I appreciate your approach to trying to address these issues. I think all of the council members are are trying to get their arms around how we manage the social services issues and everything that that is combined within the very complex nature of the citizens that you serve. And while I don't want to respond in particular to the warming shelter, the gospel mission, or the soup kitchen, or to agape, I am still going to reiterate, and I shared this with Sheila this morning. I and as I've shared with Chief Mueller, I do not believe this is a police department issue. I believe that this is a complicated, complex issue that our community needs to address. And I asked before, and I'm going to ask again, that we as a council, support retaining a consultant that can help warming shelter and all of the other social service agencies to manage this issue. Part of it is the services that you're providing. Part of it is your location. And, and I know there are other communities that have addressed location and providing these services. I'm going to ask the council again to find it within our financial wherewithal to support retaining a consultant to help us identify these issues, working with the Coalition on Homelessness and otherwise.

Thank you. Any other comments? Okay. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Sheila. Anyone else? Hi, my name is Melvin Carter. Well, today seemed like I got two concerns. One with the warming shelter and one with the dinosaur park. Okay, now, everybody know that y'all want the woman shelter near town. Because I see people hanging out, you know, on the front, on the side and stuff like that. They trying to clean that up. I got to give it to them. They trying to clean it up, but if you run them from there, where would they go? What would happen to the homeless then they'd be down here amongst us much y'all anyway, because they don't have nowhere else to go. See. So therefore, you should think very hard when you tell them that they got to move C, because once upon a time I was part of that community, okay? They were there for me. Okay. So therefore, when you're taking things that people need away from them, that's not a plus. That's a negative. You heard in the community and the people who they serve. Okay. Now, so much for that. Let's get back to my little part. We were talking about last week. Y'all had called me, he called me Tuesday. He kind of convinced me that they take

care of the part when I'm kind of let them know that I'm there all the time. The park need more than right now. My more is broke, but I got to get them more so I can keep the park up because I got to go because we got children and community needed. So like people in the community need the warming shelter. See? And when you take these two things away, you're taking a lot from the community. You're taking a lot for the things that people really need in the community. See? So therefore, we should take a closer look at how we vote for the warming shelter and how we vote to keep the little park in the community that been there for over 20 years. Sir, is Matt is revisiting the issue correct? He met with Rick Arnold, right? Yeah, yeah. Matt is working with neighborhood network individuals to revisit all of the parks, including Dinosaur Park. Okay. So we are if he doing this, why don't us all park never had a break. Dinosaur park never been taking care of everything in an old rusty. See what I'm saying? The swing is rusty. The little horse that the little children rocking back and forth on hard. The movie called Rusted All Out. Y'all have. I've been upkeep with the parks for the children to play with. I'm looking at that, you know, like the slide, the slide, the stuff is real high on the slide. Little kids really can't get up on it. The parents got to help them up on it. You know? But, you know, like. I hope y'all and Matt do the right thing. Leave the little park alone for the children to play because little children been going out there

playing little children been coming out there to help me pick up the park. See, I got signed note from little children, their parents and everything telling that they don't want that park closed. And I can bring that back to y'all if you want me to. The next city council meeting. But that's all I got to say. Y'all have a good day. Thank you sir. Thank you, thank you. Hey, Joe. Councilman, how are you? Pretty good. Wish I wasn't here. I'm Joe Tidwell, and I have been involved with the warming shelter for. Since its existence, I've also been involved with a lot of other not for profits in the community that serve the those that are in need. I asked the same question that Sheila does. What do you want? If. The one thing that is frustrating is. We do have a great organization in the community called the Coalition to End Homelessness. It's made up of almost 40 organizations that collectively form the fabric of providing services to people in need food, shelter, health care, counseling, every aspect of that. We meet on a regular basis, and the city is involved in that. They're clerical. And Joe Vonderheide, we we all try to work together to provide whatever it is that people need. And the thing that's frustrating is this is not a new issue. One of the things the housing and urban development form of the government requires is on an annual basis. We do what's

called the point in time count. It's administered by neighborhood services. It's been going on in this city in the same fashion since 2008, and the average number of sheltered and unsheltered homeless for the 18 years that we've done the pit count is 300.888. So you've had three roughly 300 sheltered and unsheltered homeless in this community since that time. Since that that's when they started requiring it as an as statistical evidence to be eligible for the various grants that we need to provide services in the community, the city, and the other agencies in that time. And, and again, you can go to the neighborhood services, get a copy of this. There are they have identified 37 agencies within a one square mile area of downtown that provide essentially all the services for people in need of everything from health care to housing to, to food. And so when you talk about relocating and you talk about, you know, moving the shelter, what are you going to do with the people that need, right? They have to go to the Martin Luther King building to, to get assistance in housing. They have to go to center for Siouxland. They have to go to Community Health Center that sees thousands of patients every month. You know, if we don't, as Sheila pointed out, if we don't collectively try and work together for a solution, that it's not going to fix the problem. But the thing that serves the the people in our community the best possible and these people that that are being served by

these agencies, the overwhelming majority of them were either born and raised in Siouxland or have been in Siouxland for over ten years. So that sometimes when the term these people or the people know there are friends and neighbors and relatives that are that are coming to all these agencies for service and for help. And, you know, we, we want to do this collaboratively. And this the, like I say, the Siouxland Coalition to End Homelessness. We meet on a regular basis and the meetings are open. People can come in and thank you. Councilman Bernstein and Councilman Raiford, you came to the meeting. The council was invited to come to the meeting, but they were the only two that showed up at the meeting. And we're constantly trying to work on solutions that work for the whole community. But we need some cooperation, not vilification, not statistical misinformation that vilifies one organization over another. I'd ask you, like Sheila said, try. I'd ask you to be part of the solution. Please. Anyone else? How's it going? My name is David Flores Marroquin. I'm with the Nameless Project. I just wanted to echo what everybody else here from the shelter had stated, and this particular commentary that came from councilman here, you know, kind of hit home as a as a as somebody that went through

those struggles and wound up, you know, getting myself out of it. I only did it because of folks like the shelter, right. And all those services. And as Councilman Burnstein, sorry if I butchered that mentioned this isn't a, a single faceted issue, right? It's not as just getting these people out of here. It isn't that if that would have been the case, then I would have been gone and long gone and so on and so forth. Right. This is this is such a complex and nuanced item that it almost requires the city to get involved in some shape or form. Right. And statements as, as, as a councilman here had made to me, you know, that statement. I believe this is quote here. I'm not trying to sugarcoat it. The businesses in the area have been very clear that they're looking at moving or is hampering their client base, and they're playing safety back. I would ask what businesses I know the realtor is working on two, two businesses right now. So it's well, for the sake of my time here. No, you said you shouldn't make statements. That's a statement. That's a fact. Okay. Let me grab some other stuff here. My apologies for not being prepared. And I

don't I'm trying to find if this is the the one made here by your by the councilman here. They can say what they want. They're still harboring the 20% in tier one housing. And those are the majority of the troublemakers. Why should we be held hostage to that 20% downtown, with all the multi million dollars being invested, has been invested that wants to be invested? Why invested? Why do we have why do we have to be held hostage? That's not cruel called law enforcement. And that's. And I could go on. I don't want to waste more time here. That just sounds like to me you're trying to, you know, criminalize the or further criminalize the situation. Let's stop right there. I'm not criminalizing. I'm saying is that we've had a historic movement in this community with the homeless. This is an issue that is you guys, you want to make me the villain in this. But this I'm telling you, this is this is called community. You want the council involved. That's what this is a council member. We've had a historic movement with with with the police department, the heart Association and others. We have more stakeholders involved we've ever had involved. When it comes to dealing with this problem. We've come to the conclusion we've identified the people that want help or they want to leave. That's all the agencies have said that the police, we've done that, but there's going to be an element that's there of about 15 to 20% that don't want help. They're troubling there. Maybe there's some illegal activity that sometimes are associated with that. Now that's where that's where we're at in this process. So again, now this has been pigeonholed that I'm saying that it's all on the warming shelter. I'm not saying that, but it's naive to say that that isn't where the community believes it. AM I wrong? It's a stereotype. Sure. So, but the gospel mission doesn't have

that stereotype. The foods other places don't have those stereotypes. So I'm just saying is that if we want to have a real discussion about this as a community, and the community is with me on this, guys, it's an 80/20. They are. So if you want a real discussion, then let's identify that 20% that's giving the problems, that's doing the theft, that's sleeping in there, that's defecating in the, in the, in the entryways to businesses that are harassing the people that are. Rick, I understand that our clients, I understand that, but what I'm saying is that all I'm saying is that we're identifying that 20%. And the stereotype from the community hovers there. If you want. If we're defending that and making that clarity, then this is the venue to do it. That's great, but let's don't villainize or try to say that this issue isn't real because it is real. And that's why I that's why most of this change has been or I've been elected, and I'm not going to just pass it down the road like everybody else. There's real solutions out there, guys. And I'm not advocating to push the warming shelter. You and I talked about rebranding it or getting services within the shelter, that they don't feel that they need to make the walk straight through all the businesses. Don't say that I'm not presenting solutions. And don't say that I'm not compassionate. Okay? I'm that's okay. Again, keep reading social media that says that. But from what I do in my personal life and as a. And what I do, I know I'm compassionate and what I'm doing it is. And I'm focused. So again, let's find solutions together. I'm good. Great discussion. Let's let this gentleman talk. Yeah. Could I, I didn't mean to strike a nerve there, Councilman, I don't accuse. So what then? Don't accuse that I'm this villain in this thing. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not accusing. I'm going off of direct quotes here. And it's someone that is, you know, part of a new organization that's that's spawned because of items like this. That's, that's why I'm here. I'm not here to villainize you. I'm not here to attack you. I'm not here to make any of that right. I'm more so on the fact of, hey, let's work together. We've known that this has been an issue. We're we're, you know, without the without the Tri-State. We're a city of, what, maybe 90,000 now. We

don't have Sioux Falls as Omaha's issues, right. We can most definitely get together and make this work, mind you. And maybe that's what, what it was, right. That triggered that response to me in me is that yeah, I read these statements. I'm like, well, that's a really out of touch item there. Right? So let to your point then. All right, let's, let's, let's work together. How do we do that then? Right. I'm not an official member. I present myself to these coalition meetings. Right. And that's a great avenue to start. If not, there's multiple ways, but to just go out and make such statements so that it does seem a little bit crass. And my apologies if that came off a certain kind of way. I just that that particular, that particular item being that it was part of my reality, it kind of hits home, especially when, you know, as Joe said, these are people that are out of our neighbors, our friends, myself included, that have been out there and to be told, hey, man, you're kind of just messing up my time drinking downtown. All right, well, let's do something about it then. That that that's that's all I wanted to say. And I don't again, don't mean to offend anybody here. Don't mean to make a certain kind of a hateful atmosphere here, but this is more of a hey, let's now that we've got the spotlight on that again. I mean, I see the spotlight's always on it, you know, you see it here, right? So let's, let's, let's flip that into a more positive light and work with institutions that have been known and tried to, to, to help the community, such as the warm shelter. And, you know, and I'll leave with this, you know, we have other orgs, we think of somebody like the gospel, but there's limitations to that, right? You can't show up if you're not of the denomination. If you're under these particular situations, you can't go there, right? These folks allow anybody there. And sometimes that's what those people need is just that, that that one little push and you're, you're absolutely right. You know, just some folks won't get it. And that is fine. That's there is nothing we can do about that. That's just, that's just human will. But for the other 80%, I would, I would say that it's, it's more let's offer them the services they,

they that they need. Unfortunately, and I don't know if this is by design or what those services are all downtown. It just happens to be. So I. All right. That's how you wrap it up because we're doing. That's all I got. Thank you, thank you thank. Brett Watson as always. Of course I will once again say don't remember there being a three minute time limit on the First Amendment. But you know, no one ever seems to care. The a couple of things need to tone down the rhetoric on this homelessness and whatnot. It's very clear that the way that the Council has been presented it and been presented by it, a few members. No, no, not trying to pigeonhole anybody. The word nuisance, nuisance property that doesn't need to be done at all. It's a legal term, I realize, and that's why you're getting away with it. But it makes you seem callous and uncaring. Do you agree? No, I'm. I'm actually trying to fix the problem. You're highlighting a problem that didn't really have a big existence until you put a spotlight on it. Two that's another story entirely. When I'll address Craig's idea quick here. The idea of hiring a consultant I will always be against because we love to waste money on that unless it's going to be, you know, Miss Sheila, that would be perfect. That would be a great consultant to be hired by the city and paid for her services. Beyond that, I, as an example, did we ever recoup the 25 grand wasted to find Mike's replacement? No. Thank you. My point made there then. I've tried this many different ways, so I'm going to present it in my official capacity. I would like for the Council to direct the Fiscal Effective Public Policy Committee to look into

changing the meeting time, or even better, put out a survey. Worked so well for the ATV thing, put out a survey. I think moving the meetings by an hour would be fantastic. 5:00 when people are actually off work can actually come be here and present themselves. I missed being able to make public comment for several weeks because I get off at 5:00 and public comment started almost at 430 was over by the time I even got out of work. So yes, I will say I'm on this committee. Let's use it. Please direct us to look into the problem or the issue that I keep presenting about these meeting times. And then I'll also bring up the fact that the last budget meeting was in the middle of the day on a Wednesday. Who were you expecting to show up on the middle of a workday on a Wednesday? I realize it probably just fit in the schedule there, but that's just ridiculous. Sorry. Several weeks of things bubbling up. But as I as I say, that's what I got today. Thanks, everybody. Anyone else to be heard? My name is Rachel Tudehope. I work for Neighborhood Services. I'm also part of the heart team. I have been working with captain recently to build a list of resources that we have that serve people experiencing homelessness, and also some of the gaps that we have in our resources. In an effort to be a part of the solution, I would like to offer those that list of resources and the gaps and everything to you guys, whether that's in a a presentation which I have already put together for the captain, or if I just send it over via email

however you would like. But I would like to be a part of the conversation. Of finding solutions, because we need to find solutions. And for both sides of this coin, like our business owners, you know, they need. Rachel. I'm sorry, could you move that microphone closer to your mouth? And can you give us your last name again? Tudhope TUDEHOPE. Thank you. Our business owners need justice and are the people who are experiencing homelessness also need some justice and kindness too. So I would like to aid in in bringing us together in that. So you have a presentation? I do, I have a presentation that I am giving to the police, Captain Bertrand, tomorrow morning, but I can also bring it here. Yeah I can, yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Anyone else? Tim Young? Some of you know me, some of you do not. Some of you I've met recently, mayor. I've known you for over 30 years. Oh, kind of hard for me to say. And. When I read some of the comments, I used to be that nuisance. But yet I shake hands with most of you. And I'm also a key leader in this town. I have gone through being homeless twice. Do I agree that the warming shelter probably isn't a bad spot on a

main road? Yeah I do, I think that's why it's getting attention. Is there other things we can do? There is, first and foremost, communication. I believe. There's been brought up the Suitland coalition that once a month meeting is not doing anything right now. Recently brought up the budget meeting. There should have been more conversation about what we can do for the homeless, because we're actually sitting here talking now for almost an hour about this issue. And it's actually been days, weeks, months, years. But yet we're doing other things. And this is a big concern for us. I care about those individuals. Recently, I know other individuals that were family members. They were service people. I worked with mission 22 as well. I don't know if you guys know what that is. That's 22 soldiers a day commit suicide because of PTSD and homelessness. I put my foot on the ground. I stomp all the time. When I had my time off. The warming shelter is doing a great job. They need more backing. That's what they need. I also talked to another entity today that said they haven't gotten any funding for the past two years for rent utilities. How can they help and serve? They're reaching out to the community for donations. There's lack of funding coming from the city, the county, the state. And I know how the funding works because I worked in grant business for over ten

years for nonprofits. I was an executive director of a nonprofit for drop in individuals who were coming off the street with behavioral health issues, PTSD, brain trauma. I've been there, I've done it, and I know how it filters, but they're not getting the funding. So my biggest concern is. Communication, working together. And yes, it was brought up to only two. Councilman showed up at the Homeless Coalition meeting. But that needs to happen more. Otherwise we're not going to do anything. We're just going to sit here and turn our wheels. And that's what we've been doing for the past years, and it drives me insane. It hits my heart. Bob knows I've reached out to him many times and talked about it. I reached out to IK. Yeah, something needs to be done. There's other alternatives that we can do, but we all need to work together. And that's my main point. And I'm going to bring up one issue on the agenda today. Number 26. Please change that wording. It says nuisance procedure. Please change the wording to people in need. Thank you. Hello, my name is Hope. I have more hope. Oh, my name is Hope Fawcett. Thank you. I have more of a statement than anything else as far as solutions go. And as a big hearted citizen of Sioux City, I actually like driving past and seeing how everybody's

doing. I think it's an issue we should not turn away from. I think it's something a lot of people like to avert their eyes from, but I think it's really important to keep it in the public eye. I think it's really important to make it obvious so that it shows how important it is for us to participate and make the situation better for everyone. And I implore all of you to not look away, keep it in the forefront of everyone's minds. So we actually figure this out together. Thank you, thank you. Thanks, Hope. You will try to limit discussion, but I think we all get the message and to continue to have it. On the subject of the shelter, which seem like we've kind of gone the whole race. So I'm going to is there any other issue that anybody would like to talk on today under citizen concerns? Okay. Thank you. We'll go to. Building permits. Daryl. Mayor and council building permit reports were provided to you again this year or this year. This year, this week. They're pretty self-explanatory. Marty does have an update, though, on our new systems for the computer as far as the next step in the procedure. So yeah, well, some good news on our software effort to, to bring new, new tools to, to the job citizen engagement project. We, they now have it pretty much set up. The software has been installed

and initial steps are completed. They're actually working on the connectivity for the test server to make sure that it works with all involved and the. 2.0 template issues have been resolved. So all the part that's document management system. So all departments are using the new document management services with no issues. So the next step we're going to move to the configuration. So in other words the software is installed. The next step is to to move to the configuration. And what that means is that we're going to figure out what we want the screen, the web page to look like and what the those different options and what it can do. So we have our original committee that will be meeting next week. It's a bunch of different departments, and we're going to work on two sessions with the with the software company on configuring what that module, what that will look like, the public facing side of it. And then once we get that done, we will move to the training of more people. Everyone in, in, they'll be working with it in the different departments. So, Marty, is this the part where you guys are going to design the scope? Yeah. Design what it what it looks like, what you're going to require from the commercial guys like that. So this is where you're going to, you're going to be saying, this is what we need. This is what we need, this what we need. When is that? When is that meeting? When is that meeting? Next week. What day? I wouldn't mind coming Thursday. You throw me an invite on that Thursday. I don't we don't have the time yet, but it's next Thursday. Just get back to me on that because I wouldn't mind. Do you know the time, Mike? No, I was just going to say there's going to be different scoping meetings though, so I don't know. You're going to need specifics before you get this. This encompasses a whole lot. We could meet with you if you'd like. We can when we get to the component of that. Absolutely. We'll make sure you're involved.

Yeah. This is going to include, you know, inspections and zoning and engineering and fire and everybody that touches the development review process in some way. So we'll, we'll get it figured out. And there'll be, I think we're not locked in place forever. I think some components could be added later or some features could be added later too. So. That that will move forward to the nuisance real quick on the go ahead. Yeah. One question. I did get a couple reach outs. Can you check where you are on the review and permitting process for Sunnybrook Church for me? Sure. I don't know if they've actually even submitted an actual application at this point. There's been conversations that the architects have had with us, asking us questions, but I don't know that they've actually submitted the application. Let me just review on you don't need to do it now, Darryl. You can go on, but just maybe get back to me tomorrow. I can, but I believe that's where that is at as far as just informal discussions. Yeah, it's in reviews. They've only asked for information from us. They have not submitted an actual application at this time. That's helpful. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to 26 nuisance procedures. Sure. Threw together a quick little slide show nuisances as far as the inspection services department deals with property. Marty, if you want to bring that or Heidi. I'm waiting for Heidi. There you go. Thank you for helping. F five. That's all right. I'll get started with nuisances. What does it mean as it relates to the property? Nuisance is a defined in our municipal code is whatever is injurious to the census or the destruction of free use of property. So essentially, to interfere with the comfort and enjoyment of life and property is a nuisance. It's about as

vague as you can possibly get. I want to be clear before I move on. Yes. Nuisance as it's been used here in the last couple of weeks. It's not meant to identify a person. That is correct. That's why my opening was about this property for us to have that, for the record. Absolutely sure. No, no one that has. Yeah. This is about property. We will. I mean, there's some sections in here we can get a little bit more detail, but in a nutshell, a nuisance property can be defined as a habitual offender. And habitual offenders will get municipal citations for being a habitual offender. As a matter of fact, some of these photos that you're seeing is that a property that's a habitual offender pretty much every year, I would just add, the gentleman that was here spoke very eloquently about this nuisance is a term used in state law that are in our ordinances, uses the same term. And every these these definitions, I'm pretty sure, are from state law, right? They're not speaking of a person or a group of people. It's property. Okay. I just want to clarify that. Absolutely. Yep. Nuisances are reported to us in several different ways. We get citizen calls all the time. Comm center will give us referrals. So we'll have referrals from the comm center. Basically those are first responders have gone on to a property founded in in deplorable conditions or very. They'll send those over to us as well. Nuisances. We'll get called out if they're serving warrants. And there's property that needs, needs our attention as well. We'll get called to those as well. City website. There's several options on the website. People will use most any platform to report them to us. We'll respond to those. And by putting in a case, why not do an actual inspections emails? And then we also do proactive. We try to be very, very fair and equal on this. So if we get called out to a particular neighborhood for something, we look at the whole neighborhood. We don't just stop with one address because it could be a feud between property owners, and they just don't like each other and they're turning each other in. It's not fair to

everybody on the neighborhood. So we'll look at the entire neighborhood. So there will be some proactive ones as well. That's actually good to know there because I was going to say, you know, I think sometimes people don't realize that, you know, it's not like you're just driving up and down the street, you know, looking for things, but you get that phone call. Yeah, that would be a pretty rare day for us to have the time to just do that. So I actually went over and asked him and they said they get 20 or 30 a day. Not unusual at all. It's call calls plus all the other. Yeah, depending on the season, we could we could do well more than 20 or 30 in a day as far as we've actually done over 100 inspections in a day on some of these. So. Encampments. Encampments. Go ahead. I'm sorry. You know, Avana does a lot better job. I'm just. There you go. Encampments on private property. We get these reported quite frequently, more so in the last few years than anywhere else. We are dealing now. We've had a meeting recently, very recently with heart to to help identify some of these encampments. They have a little more difficulty as far as the procedures to get to move these things away. If it's on private property, it comes under our jurisdiction and inspections department. Unfortunately, we have to deal with that as well. Notification process becomes very, very lengthy and it seems like we're just not getting anything done. But the law requirements for notification purposes before we go in there and remove property, we do have to get a search warrant. So just keep that in mind as we're doing. I'll bring that up again further in the slideshow that are on private property. Not on, not on. Yes on private property only, not on city owned property or public right of ways. So to move forward with it, the inspector will verify the the violation will go out and inspect to make sure that there is actually a violation there. We do photograph everything that is there at that time. So if there's any phone calls or questions about that or an appeal process is in place, we would have the documentation showing the violation very clearly exists. We are required to send out certified notifications to the property owners. Unfortunately, not everybody signs for their letters. This delays it

certified mail anymore. If you get a. If you get a letter back from the United States Postal Service that says they've. They've served a certified mail within three weeks. You're very fortunate. You're very fortunate. So we're finding we're trying to find ways that we can possibly speed that process up and still fall within the required documents for procedures, because the judge is going to ask us that when we go get a search warrant. Have you followed it? What is the notification process that went through to so that I'll sign the search warrant, so you can go in and remove those items from that property? But isn't the burden of the city the fact that we sent the certified mail, not whether they respond to it or not, we still have to show. We still have to show that the notification was made. So we do post it on the property as well, but there's no notification that says that they've actually received, especially if they're out of town owners. And we find these on vacant lots a lot or avoidance, I'm sorry, or avoidance or avoidance. Yeah, we do that a lot. I mean, a lot of people will call our office and say, I got a certified mail notification in my mailbox. What's it for? Well, go pick it up and you'll find out. Well, no, I don't want to because then I start my time. Well, you know what? This phone call just started your time. Because I'm telling you what it is. The code requires that we provide a reasonable time period property owner to abate the nuisance prior to the city coming in. So that's really the standard that the courts are looking at, is if we've given a reasonable time period. So I kind of went through this in public works though, that they're sending notices, certified mail. And then if we don't get a response, they maybe are sending a second one. But I thought that was uncovered recently that the burden is ascending it, not whether they reply to it depends statutorily what the type of violation that we're talking about. We're exploring options to send certified mail posts. So we're having those conversations. We've had a conversation about it because we do photograph the posting on the property in a way, in a manner that would show. So if it's on a house itself, we'll

step back from the posting, take one up close so you can read it step one back a little bit so you can notice the address on the property or the door colors, or these kind of identifying marks. And yeah, and we do have to give them, we do have them give the opportunity for appeal. Obviously, we, we do get those occasionally, but there's with the photographic evidence we have of it, we can show them what the situation is. And usually it's just dropped or they'll clean it up and take care of it. If that's if they move forward with it. In that response, if nothing is done, then we go out and we'll actually take our our notification process, our photographs of, of what is all there. We get a judge's signature on it. And then we, we have some people that we will send out for requests for pricing on it. That all happens within about a 24 hour period because the search warrant is good for so long. So we get those quotes back very, very quickly. We take the most economical one for our process. We do have to store anything that perceived value for 90 days. So we do have a situation down at the down by CMG where we have a building where we'll put those items in for 90 days, and if they want them back, they got to come pay the fines and everything, and then we would release those otherwise. Otherwise, if there are some items of value, we would put them on a city auction and try to recoup our our costs of cleanups. If not, they'll just be disposed of in the in the dumpsters to get rid of those process. So the cleanup all happens at the same time. So we clean everything up and get rid of everything. Nuisance has come in a lot of different ways. Once we get all that done, we actually invoice the property owner for the inspection costs and the contractor costs of doing the actual abatement of it. If they do fail to pay that cost, then they will be brought to council for assessment, which we bring the assessments a couple times a year. Usually there's quite a number of properties on there for those assessments, and they'll get assessed against the property and we'll go as a special assessment and they'll receive those again with their tax bills when they get the property taxes. Fiscal year 2025, we reported to 5512 nuisances cases, resulting in

over 14,000 inspections. Most of your nuisance cases take multiple inspections to go re inspections, initial inspections, what have you. Out of those 5512 we were we were we needed to do 41 search warrants. We administered 41 search warrants and cleaned those properties up via search warrant. Any questions about how that process works? The most of those are they are they citizen complaint driven? I would say the vast majority of them are, yes. So do you think in the last few months since kind of the direction from this new council, do you feel like that we are becoming more proactive as a city when we're identifying it versus a complaint driven or we feel like we're because obviously we're making headway? I mean, and, and I think you're going to see some really good action down there by Bomgaars that's going to get cleaned up. Sounds like you're the county's involved. Yeah, the county a lot of times, unfortunately, we have state and county. Yeah, it drags on a little bit for them to get to unfortunately, to take action on their property and get those things taken care of. And we'll do as much as we possibly can as far as we can go with those. But as far as whether we think that there's an uptick this time of year, there's always an uptick in the springtime. You know, people are getting out in their yards. They're starting to see things. Whether they're warming up now, they're looking at everything that's out there and they're seeing this stuff and they're going, hey, we got to get this stuff cleaned up. I don't know that I've seen a major uptick because there are years that we've had more high winds with things like this, where we've blown trash and debris around, and we'll get more and more of those nuisance complaints. When that happens. I probably shouldn't speak on this, but as somebody from our department sees it, lids on trash cans work, you and lids on dumpsters are a big help. Yeah, they're nice and they'll come kind of keeping up with the high winds that we've been experiencing lately. And one of the reasons why building codes have changed, because the wind loads have changed. All those things have gotten increased. We're seeing more and more trash around this year. You know, fortunately, we've had

some high winds, but they haven't been as as frequent as we've had in the past. So we do have some trash and debris that needs to be picked up around the community. They just had a litter here recently, which was awesome to see those out folks out there cleaning that stuff up appreciate that very much. But as far as an uptick from the phone calls coming in. Cases are put in the system as soon as we receive the report to give an actual detail. As far as how many come in off of citizen's complaint, I would say that by far the vast majority of those, if they've increased, I wouldn't be able to measurably be able to tell you that. But I mean, if you get one of our guys driving around in a white truck, city truck and they look over and they see an encampment starting, yeah, that'll be proactive. They we're at a point where the city were proactive. We'd be proactive on that. We'd send out. That's all I was asking. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. Just like until somebody complains, we're not going to worry about it until the status quo. We just we just found another one here this last weekend that was on city property. And we've already started addressing that. So yeah, good job. Do Darryl, when it becomes or when you when something is qualified as a nuisance is that, you know, let's say someone's got ten cars on their front yard. Is it is that you could call it a nuisance. You could also call it a zoning violation. And typically something like that would be handled under a zoning violation. Okay. It's could be listed as a nuisance. And a lot of times our letters will go out and it will reference multiple sections of the municipal code. Tall grasses and weeds is under 2 or 3 different places, for instance, and those are listed on that letter as far as where they fall in in out of the municipal code sections, so and so once that process. So you go out and you determine if it falls under that. And then what happens? It's like if tall grass, you know, what determines if, you know, I've heard people say species, native species, grasses. And, you know, and I'm just trying to understand what,

what determines. And that's been a point of, of contention several times, but it doesn't really differentiate. Our code doesn't once it's in the municipality itself, it states if it's over 12in, vegetation is over 12in. It's a nuisance period. Gotcha. Okay. So you have to use a little bit of judgment with that, but we're by far more lenient than some of our surrounding communities. Some of our surrounding communities are six inches, not 12. Okay. And I've been asked before, why are we not 6 or 8in like some of the other communities are? It's, it's, it's a lot of work. Even at 12, I'll say that. Do you know why we're not couldn't say. I think it was something that was probably, you know, discussed decades ago and is just continuing to move forward. Some communities put it in their code. It is all municipalities, you know, they'll have to state the type of height. Even if you went to the international Property maintenance code, for instance, the section in there that deals with tall grasses and weeds is blank in the in the municipality has to fill in that number on how they want that to move forward. So it's no different than what we already have adopted as our municipal code. But when you talk about about grass fires and things like that, obviously the taller the grass, the more chance you've got of that of it being a nuisance. In that respect, does it attract rodents and things like that? It sure can. You know, it's more of a harborage, but we've had we've had pretty consistent with that 12in and not being a major issue. But the other nice part of it is, is our signs are designed so it's 12in. It would be that much harder to get back under control. It's yeah, it's difficult. It is, it is difficult. But it is, it is. I think it's a I think it's an acceptable rate. I'm just saying that other communities around us are more restrictive than what we are already. Yeah. It's 12 the nice part of it on our sign notifications that we put in our yard. I've ordered steaks that we for posting purposes, we post in the yard and from the foot portion of

that steak where it touches the ground, when you push it in the ground to the bottom of the sign, it's 12in. So then our photographs show of that sign in the yard. It shows the grasses meet the bottom of that sign, which is a measuring tool in itself for 12in up your sign. So yeah, please don't. I'd have to try to find a whole nother one. Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Keep pumping it out to the field, guys. Keep pumping it out. You're doing a good job. Jeff. Hello. I think you should have been shipped the latest heart reports. So I don't think there's any new information there. I have to applaud Captain Bertrand for putting some charts in there. I think that puts a, you know, a good view at a glance for all of you, as well as the fact that from week to week, you can see how, how these things are changing to kind of bookend with what Darryl indicated. We had a very positive meeting with Darryl and his staff this week about how can we speed up processes, where are there gaps? Where is the communication not happening? I think by and large, I think everybody's out of their silos. As far as the city of Sioux City goes, I think all of our departments are working well together. I was working with inspections back when I was a cast officer. So to me, it's it's just a positive way to do business. So I think from the perspective of how quickly we're getting on things, I think we're getting on concerns quicker than we ever did just because of that fact that we now have personnel that know each other face to face, a phone call can be made, I think, where we still have issues or some of the things that Darryl mentioned about notification property rights we are still dealing with, as you mentioned, Councilman Bertrand, the cleanup behind try view that was that presented some barriers because it wasn't our

territory. We're also dealing with the DOT who wants us to take responsibility for their property. And I think I think as a city, I think we've done a very good job of of investing in dealing with these issues. But we need to get partners like the DOT is involved in the solution as we are. But do you have any specific questions about the report or anything I can answer? I know it's been a long council meeting. One question, chief, you know, with all this discussion about, you know, being part of the solution and everything objectively, I feel like that we're moving the ball when it comes to the homeless in this community. We've got more people involved. Do you feel like that your efforts have paid dividends up to this point? I think any time you can remove, you know, and I hate to use those terms, but silo is the only way I can say it. I think the fact that we have now brought together a lot of the stakeholders, I think there's still some stakeholders who need to come to the table or need to contribute more to the solution, but I think the fact that we have broken down a lot of those barriers is significant. Is it is it unreasonable for this council now with the progress that we've made? This isn't a knee jerk thing that we've been working since we got here, is it is it reasonable now that we're at the point where we we're at, we're identifying the people that don't want help, and the fact that in some of these people there's a criminal element, which means the drugs or the trespassing, those things are we at that point that that's the next step, which is I had a nice conversation with Captain Bertrand about this, where it's the policing side of it. It's the part where guys, these are the 20% that are I, like I've said before, I believe holding downtown hostage, that's the 20%. So are we at a point in this progress, this agenda, this, that that's fair to say. That's where we're at, that policing element of this, of enforcement on those 20%. Well, I think from our standpoint, we

definitely need to stay in our lane. And that's our primary function as a member of the task force. We do need to default to law enforcement options when it comes to, as you mentioned, and I think the communication is happening with the judges, the sentences are reflecting that. I think we've solved a lot of those issues. But yes, in fact, as you see on the the weekly report out, there's one of those pie charts mentioned, mentioned specifically who is willing and unwilling to accept services. So it kind of shows some of the folks that we're addressing or dealing with that are uninterested in services, uninterested in changing. And if criminal justice means are, are the best way we have to deal with that, that's what we're going to do. That's our primary function. And we have other providers within the task force that specialize in referrals, that specialize in in treatment. And some of those things, we still have to stay in our lane. I think we can facilitate. I think we can ensure the safety of participants, but we're still cops. And that's what Captain Bertrand was trying to do with the report out is to turn the dial a little bit, so that what we were reporting on focused on law enforcement efforts. And I agree with them that we can't get too far out of our lane. I think I think this is a great collaboration. I think we're doing a lot of good things, but we still have to default to a rest when it's necessary. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, chief. Thanks, chief. Thanks, chief. Counsel. Concerns. Mr. Bertrand, the word concerns. You said that before all update there. Yeah I agree Council comments real quick. We can't change it. I've already asked and I heard that. Yeah. Greg and I had a nice meeting with Tom and some, some community experts on wastewater and was, I think it

was a great meeting, more to come on that when it comes to as they start to zone in on the budget and actual expenditures. So more to come on that. But I was really encouraged that as a council, we're we're staying on top of that. So actually, Mike, if next week I'm kind of going down my list on what where I like to be is it's time to tackle the grading permit process. I know that's you. I heard you swallow right there. It's not fun. It's been something that's been hanging out there for a dozen years. It's time to make the changes that we also need to be. So let's give us an update on what the grading permit process is. Let's talk all the way through when it's allowed, what can't be done, what can't be gray area we're going to make we're going to finally do it as a community. We're going to do it. And then also, I'd like to bring the variance process to kind of fits in the same thing. Let's define the variance process because I want to rip that band aid off and we're going to open that baby up. So those kind of were the next progress is when it comes to economic development. We'd love to see that. Also love to have Reagan come back in from downtown partners. Give us an update where they're at with the ambassadors. A lot of great things going on downtown. We'd love to see what she's got going on there. Other than that, it's going to be a great week of weather, and I do. I did appreciate all of the the feedback on the discussion rhetoric gets hot at times. I think we're all want the same thing, which is to improve our community. There's no villains here. We. We are running a process. And I just encourage the dialog that we have and good job. And I will say we have drafted a new grading ordinance. It's in the review. I'd love to see it. It's with engineering right now, but we can provide a copy of that. We have. Yeah. Let's just it's a work in progress and maybe we can take some input from the council on that, but maybe we can provide some insights from the public if the public wants to discuss it. Thank you. I have a couple of items, but I'm going to save them in light of the time. I did want to acknowledge. Rick had mentioned the meeting we had last week on the wastewater treatment

facility. Good discussion and good progress in understanding the scope and how we manage that, and I will be happy to visit with Reagan and ask her to do a presentation on the ambassador. That's it. Absolutely. You know, Mike and I should have sent you an email. Did we ever take care of the thing behind beacons? There was a little encampment there that. You mean the wall? The well, the fence? No. Yeah. That fence area. Right. I know that we talked about it. Right. See that? I guess the only thing. Well, you know, I would love to, you know, know if Mike, if we can reach out to Tom or whomever about the fog program and maybe have a presentation on what that looks like and how that affects on what program fog, fog, fats, oil and grease. Oh, we did just update that whole thing last week. It's probably a good time. Great question. That's good. Yeah. So yeah, if we can, yeah, we would love to know a little bit about that. The other thing, you know Shayla and Gang, thank you for being here always. I love the feedback and love the engagement, you know, and one thing I will say, you know, the three of us, when we were running, one of the big issues was homelessness and, and what that looks like and how so I do understand, you know, Councilman Bertrand, you know, position and people want answers. They want to know what that looks like and, and how we're going to solve it. And yeah, and one thing that I think Craig and I have talked about, we realize that homelessness is affect every city is affected by it. And so we know that everything that we're trying, you know, we're just trying to figure it out. And so sometimes we go different routes to get there.

But this is where it starts, right? And so I appreciate and everybody here, you know, I appreciate your comments and engagement. That's that's what it's about. I ran on being responsive to the community. And we want to respond to you and do what's right and get it right. So thank you. I have nothing further. I move, we