City Council - Regular Meeting

Excuse me, sir.

Okay, good evening everyone, and welcome to the regularly scheduled meeting of the City Council of Calisoga. The date is June 23rd, it's a minute after 6 p.m. City Clerk, may we have a roll call please?

Council Member Eisenberg? Present. Council Member Cooper?

Present.

Council Member Lopez-Ortega?

Present.

Vice Mayor Gift?

Present.

Mayor Williams? Present. Please join us in the Pledge of Allegiance. The City Council did meet in closed session on June 16th. The topic was property negotiations regarding the Monhoff Building on Grant Street. And from that closed session, there's no reportable action. The next item on our agenda is oral communication. This time is set aside to receive comments from the public regarding matters on the consent calendar or matters of municipal concern not on the agenda. Pursuant to Government Code Section 54954.3, the Brown Act, The council cannot consider any issues or take action on any requests which are not on the agenda during this comment period. Speakers are encouraged to limit their comments to three minutes so that all speakers have an opportunity to address the council. And the city clerk will have a time clock to the left as you're at the podium speaking. So is there any are there any speaker cards first of all on items which are not on the agenda or items in municipal concern or items on the consent calendar?

Yes we have three. The first one is Teddy Adonopoulos.

Very good and welcome sir. Yes here's the podium right up here to your right and you'll speak into the microphone we'll all hear you just fine.

Thank you very much for listening to me. So I sent a letter, an email earlier today, just about a couple of ongoing situations that are affecting Fourth Street, a little street right up the road that's one block long. It's been... I've written this letter in my head for about two years now. That's how long it's been going on. There's an apartment complex that's been under construction for at least that long. And it's the residual effects of this. It just doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency that is bringing this project to completion. So we're plagued by the usual construction items, construction vehicles, traffic cones, traffic signage that's blocking parking place from people who live there. You can only park on one side of the street. And those signs are taken up. And they're often there when there's not even any work going on. There's sidewalk interruptions. The south entrance to Washington Street has been blocked. It's blocked for construction, but it's been blocked even on weekends when there's really no work that's going on. Digging up the street, you get the idea. So it just doesn't appear to be any sense of urgency to have this project completed. And I'm just curious. It also affects services that you pay for. garbage access, street sweepers, postal service delivery, that type of thing. So all of these things are affected. And oftentimes you walk past and there's maybe one person on site that you can see that might be doing something. But still we have debris piles, construction piles, dumpsters that are taking up space in the streets. So it just seems like something that... I'm not sure what kind of ordinances the city has to monitor a completion date of something like this, but it has been going on. It has been a serious disruption. And I just have one other thing along this note on 4th Street, and that is just the condition of the street in general. Obviously, that area has been torn up quite a bit, but just the overall condition of the street, large cracks. We've been here for five years. We're renters. We don't pay city taxes, but our landlord does, but we do. pay a premium to live in Calistoga and it seems like the condition of this street would warrant your attention when Governing the city. So thank you very much.

Thank you for your comments and I might suggest that you Step across the street, you know during the daytime hours and visit City Hall and the Planning Department Perhaps can be of help with you on some of your items Sure Our next speaker card is Judy Whitney.

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Which item do you want to speak for?

On the item that's going to be presented.

Oh, okay.

Okay. Okay, then our next sphere card is Carrie Ebru. Ms. Ebru, welcome.

Carrie Abruz, 1720 Renard Lane. To Mayor Williams, council members, and city manager Celaya, I am speaking as a citizen of Calistoga, a business owner for over 39 years here, and very civic-minded and passionate about the betterment of all in Calistoga. The First Amendment of the US Constitution adopted December 15th of 1791 as one of the 10 amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, such as court noting in Bridges versus California in 1941 is quoted, the ability to publicly criticize even the most prominent politicians and leaders without fear of retaliation is part of the First Amendment because political speech is core First Amendment speech. for it's a prized American privilege to speak one's mind, although not always perfect, good taste on all public institutions. I exercised that right on 523 at the Farmer's Market, yet to have a Calistoga police officer show up at my business the first workday after Memorial Weekend while I had a client present and yet welcome the officer, we're in good standing with each other, And we speak often. I wasn't visited at my home residence in private, although I'm always open for dialogue. For an elected official, specifically a council member, to go to the police and complain about me using my Italian voice, as I call it, and not convey the whole story, but extrapolate only my raising my voice of which The officer said he told her it's not against the law. In fact, it is, according to the First Amendment, legal. This is a blatant abuse of power by an elected official. And I believe in an attempt to intimidate me, which is illegal. This all began over the city taking $20,000 away from the teen center. So I'm here to say to all of you, so one council member isn't hurt, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame on all of you for taking money away from the investment in our children's future. It should be paramount. You subsidized the Chamber of Commerce $560,000 a year. You paid our last city manager $400,000, only for her to be taken into closed session over five times in her tenure to give her an ultimatum to leave, and she walked with probably close to $200,000. throwing money away for some who don't live here rather than youth who use and used the teen center and programs in the past to be productive adults now choosing to live here, work here, marry here, and raise children here, but really on their own rather than with all of our support. Sincerely, Carrie Hammond Abreu.

Thank you, Ms. Abreu. Are there additional speaker cards?

No, that's all speaker cards.

No more speaker cards. So public comment is still open on any items on the consent calendar or items of municipal concern not on the agenda. Yes. Ms. Maillard, welcome.

Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Council, City Manager. I'd like to touch on one of the items that's on the consent calendar. It's the one that's concerning grants from Upper Valley for matters that are of interest to Upper Valley, basically. I'd like to preface this by saying that this city council and all of the predecessors with whom I have worked have been nothing but supportive of everything having to do with environmental interests. In fact, I'm sure you are well aware that Calistoga is viewed in the county as the leader in this area. So kudos to all of you. That said, I want to say that I think we need both education and enforcement In particular, I'm thinking about the food wear and waste reduction legislation. If we're going to pass legislation, we need to make sure that people understand it and that those who refuse, there's some sort of recourse from the city. On the whole, I would say that before this legislation was ever framed, members of the community, in conjunction with members of the Green Committee, met with every manager or owner of every business in this town that was willing to meet, let them know what was coming, ask their opinion on things. There was 12 months period from passage to implementation to when it became effective. During that time, there were workshops, there were meetings, there were letters, there were visits. It was as thorough as it could be. And even today, we have a couple of our volunteers that sit at tables at the farmer's market and answer questions and try to help people understand. But I get comments from the public and even from Upper Valley about how we could do better on this. I know there's no enforcement, and I also know that education is key. The citizens of the community who really want to know what to do, there's only so much that an all-volunteer, overworked group of people, five people, can do. And we're doing what we can. But I think the city needs to engage in this education process. I mean, literally, at the car show in St. Helena on Sunday, a Calistoga citizen walked up to me and said, We need workshops. And I think we do, but it can't all be on the Green Committee to do it. I think we need professional support and certainly staff support on this. The Upper Valley rules change. Citizens change.

Yes, would anybody else like to address the council? Yes, welcome.

Hello there. I am Noreen Moses, and before I say anything else, I want to express my deep appreciation for each one of you for coming forward to serve not just our city, but basically our country. That's what we're based on. read a very nice quote the other day that's appropriate for the Fourth of July. It said, freedom is simply the chance to be better. And I think that's a good quote for all of us to remember. Now, besides my, I'm here, did I say I'm Maureen Moses? I don't know if I did or not. I'm following my neighbor, Ted, about Fourth Street. I am not a techie, and I did try and send to our city clerk, Yudiana, I did try and send a message that I asked her to forward to each one of you, so I didn't have any responses, so I don't know if it worked or not, and I have copies here in case you didn't see it, but I want to read it here tonight. I think the way the city of Calistoga has managed finances over time is like a quote that I enjoy. It says, who cares if the dish pan leaks? It's the curtains in the dining room that make the difference. And we've been doing a lot of very nice curtains in the dining room in the 46 years I've been back here in Calistoga, and on all that time on 4th Street, the dishpan has definitely been leaking, and it still is. And I think besides admiration for what each one of you has signed up to do here, you also each have a very serious responsibility. You are our city mothers and fathers, and If you don't take care of what we need, who is going to? So this is the, it relates to this new, what I call the giant orange, the apartment house that you permitted to be built on the corner of 4th Street and Washington, which is what Ted addressed. And it is now basically come to a completion. And I wrote this message before they did their final paving in front of the apartment house. If you have not already done so, please begin where the apartments are being built at 4th and Washington and walk down 4th Street on the street, not on the sidewalk. You will find a street 120 plus years old minimum. I'm almost 87 years old and when I went to what we called grammar school here, I walked down that street twice a day and it was already an old street. Excuse me for going past my time limit. I think this is important.

Ms. Moza, are you just about to wrap it up? Yes, I am. Okay, please.

It was already in acute need of long repair and has borne the traffic of the heavy construction trucks and other equipment. When you're walking down the street, you might trip on any of the crevasses and uprisings caused by the impending collapse of the street from progressive subsurface sewage leaks. To understand the condition of water pipes beside the curb, it would be best to check the city records of overtime paid and volumes of water lost to deal with repeated breaks in the pipes, some of which people who deal with them fear may no longer be able to be repaired with the next break. I believe the apartment builders are responsible for repaving their section of the street. That has been done and they only did it basically on the fourth street part of the apartment house.

I suppose if you could wrap it up. And the city clerk can distribute that to us as well.

And at this point, the paving on 4th Street pitches down to Washington Street. And the paving on Washington Street pitches down to the new paving on 4th Street. So we anticipate a nice lake there every time there is a rain. I think it is your personal responsibility to find the funding to now finish this rolling project that was started when that apartment project was approved and take care of 4th Street. Thank you for letting me go on over, and I'll give Udiana the copy.

And she'll make sure that it's distributed to us council members. Thank you, Ms. Moses. Are there other public comments? Yes. These are items of municipal concern or items on the consent calendar.

Yes. Thank you, Mayor Williams. First off, I've asked Mayor Williams and the city manager numerous times to, right now you see on the monitor, you see me speaking. We've been introduced. Can we be put up in the corner and have the audience at home be able to watch the council members as we speak? At the last meeting, I interrupted my speech because faces were being made at me, which are common by a council member to make faces when people are speaking against something they don't like. So I would like that honored that we get a split screen so people can watch at home. how you council members respond to speakers. The second one does go with Washington Street and 4th Street. In 2020 or 2022, there was a group came in and did a report. I'd like to know if Ludi can help me find that report on the bike path being made through that area. If it was made in 20 or 2022, then there should have been no, if it was gonna be planned to widen at some point, which is now, according to that report, why did you allow Brannon Center to build the sidewalk and improve all of that if it was going to be widened for a possible bike path. That's kind of a waste of money to my mind. And I don't think that's an appropriate path for the kids to be taking anyway. You have planned a bike bridge across the river at Logvi. Have the bike path go across there and down Cedar to safely get the kids to school. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Yant. Would anyone else like to address the council? Public comment is still open. And is there anyone online, city clerk? No one online. OK. Last call for public comment. OK. Let's close public comment. Thank you to everyone who came forward to speak. Appreciate that. Let's go to city manager's report. City Manager Celaya.

Thank you, Mayor. And good evening, city council members and mayor and the city clerk. I have a few items to talk about, but I won't take up too much time. I'd like to first talk about some events coming up. We have the 4th of July parade, which is going to begin at 11 AM. As usual, it will be on Lincoln Avenue between Stevenson and Fairway. The evening celebration will be at Pioneer Park, which will begin at 7 p.m. There'll be music, children's activities, food, food vending, followed by a laser light show at 9 p.m. This year, we're going to have grand marshals that will include the volunteers and board members of Celebrate Napa Valley in recognition of their many years of service on organizing the parade and helping making this community tradition possible. We currently have about 43 entries registered in the parade. We're hoping to get a few more. So anyone interested in participating should contact Recreation Department as soon as possible. And there's also a link online to actually do an online submission and or you can print out an application from our website. I just want to remind individuals that on July 17th through the 19th, we're going to have the Flint Creek Circus So be sure to get your tickets early and we'll have more information about the timing and when that'll occur or the time of the day Council I'd like to share some good news regarding the new and employ a new employee The city Calistoga is pleased to welcome Fernando Velasquez or Velasco as our newest maintenance technician Fernando brings more than 25 years of experience in the vineyard operations equipment operations ground maintenance and and staff supervision throughout Napa and Sonoma counties. He has held the leadership roles of Ladera Winery and O'Shaughnessy Vineyard, where he managed day-to-day operations, supervised crews, and maintained equipment and facilities. He's a certified first aid and forklift operations individual, holds a private applicator license, and we're excited to have Fernando join our team and look forward to the experience, work ethic, and dedication he'll bring to city. I know that he just started this week. I don't believe he's here this evening, but we wanted to make that announcement as a new employee. And I look over to the Public Works Director, and I don't think he's in, okay. A few items from Public Works. Your Public Works staff has submitted an ATP grant application for construction on the South Oak Bridge. for $2.4 million. Additionally, staff submitted for call a project to the NVTA for potential grant funding. I will say, as you all know, that our public works does an awesome job at getting and applying for grants and being successful at getting these grants. So we're hopeful these are going to come through fruition. the last council meeting i mentioned that there was going to be some water line or water main work on lincoln avenue uh to uh to replace the bridge i'm sorry for the replacement on the bridge at washington street uh this is going to be delayed and it's going to be moved to after the fourth of july so there will be no impact to the fourth of july parade uh we are pleased to announce that uh and The community should have received notifications that we have a new permanent laundromat it opened yesterday at 1015 Foothill Boulevard next to the. To the store the facility will be open daily from 8am to 9pm we appreciate the effort from city staff the merchant family. and the new owner Jaime Cortez that made this transition possible and are glad to see the permanent laundry service available once again to Calistoga residents. It is a work in progress. There are machines that are functional. They're working on getting the remaining machines functional. So I ask the community to have a little patience as Jaime is working through some of those mechanical issues. I wanted to share, as many of you have seen, we had a controlled burn yesterday for Mount Washington. It was a prescribed fire controlled burn that was successful. The firing operations took approximately 90 minutes. The crews remained on scene throughout the day and overnight to mop up the operations. This prescribed fire treated nine acres of hazardous fuels. the city. Fire crews continued to monitor and burn the area for any hotspots and will be working to remove the fire hoses over the next couple days. And I know that as they did the controlled burn, the weather conditions fit. There's a lot that goes into doing a controlled burn. You know, they look at the current weather conditions, the wind patterns, and that kind of stuff. And even though it looked pretty ominous for those of you who watched, the smoke was going up like a chimney straight up in the air. a little bit of dissipation on lower but it got blown over the hillside and so which is what we wanted to happen so it doesn't impact some of our vulnerable communities like the senior mobile home parks. So staff this was in conjunction with not just Calistoga fire but county fire and Cal fire to manage this system and so it was a collaborative effort to do the control burn. I want to share that the Fairgrounds revitalization director wanted to share that the pop-up summer carnival was a great success. It was wonderful to see many families and community members enjoying the rides, games, and festivities. In addition, we had a Napa classic car show that was also successful in featuring an impressive collection of vintage automobiles along with midget and sprint cars that were on display. This is just only an example of the number of the many things that we're doing on the fairgrounds to bring attention to it and revitalize that piece of property. So it's so important that we continue to work in improving the property so we can bring many more activities and events to the fairgrounds. And so with that, I concluded and more than happy to answer any questions you might have.

Thank you, City Manager.

Council Members.

I concur with the report on the fairgrounds. I attended both those activities, the car show and the carnival, and they were well attended, and there were a lot of happy people there enjoying themselves on pleasant weekends, so both events were fun.

Council members?

Okay, thank you, City Manager. Let's see, we have a proclamation. to make here, we're on item 5.1 in our agenda, and we have before us a proclamation in honor of Parks Make Life Better Month. Councilman Isenberg, would you take the second whereas, and Councilmember Lopez Ortega, would you take the third whereas, and then Vice Mayor, would you take the fourth whereas, and Councilman Cooper, the fifth, and I'll start it off. This is a proclamation, again, in honor of Parks Make Life Better Month. Whereas parks and recreation promotes physical, emotional, and mental health and wellness through organized and self-directed fitness, play, and activity,

Whereas parks and recreation creates meaningful experiences for residents of all ages through sports, aquatic programs, senior activities, adult fitness and art classes, and free community events that celebrate and strengthen our small town spirit and...

whereas parks and recreations contributes to the community communities economic prosperity by offering first-time job opportunities to local youth and enhancing quality of life in ways that help attract and retain residents in business and whereas

Whereas parks and recreation fosters social cohesiveness and communities by providing spaces for all individuals to come together peacefully and ensuring all have access to park and recreational benefits.

Whereas July is celebrated across the nation as Parks and Recreation Month.

Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Kalisoga City Council does hereby proclaim July 2026 as Parks Make Life Better Month, and in doing so, urges all its citizens to use and enjoy its parks, trails, facilities, and recreation opportunities, signed and sealed this 23rd day of June 2026. And I believe we have our Calistoga Parks and Recreation Director, Ms. Stroud, Erin Stroud. And we have a proclamation to give to you.

Thank you, Mayor and Council, Erin Stroud, Recreation Manager. And yes, I have additionally brought two of the Calistoga youths who we gave first jobs to because they are so excited about their jobs and bringing recreation to the community so much. I have Perla and Nya here, and Nya even wants to share some words.

Hi, as you all know, I'm Nya. I've been working here. This will be my second year of lifeguarding seasonal, and I've also helped with other events such as parades, Christmas festivals, and Halloween trunk retreat. I personally enjoy it. This is my first actual job. For me, I am very honored to work for the city, and I look forward for our future to help and to also make our community more fun and spirited. Thank you.

The next item on the agenda is a presentation regarding a proposed project. So I am obliged to recuse myself from this presentation, and so I'm going to turn the gavel and the direction of the meeting over to Vice Mayor Gift, and I will have to, I'm pleased to join you out in the back of the room here, and Vice Mayor Gift will preside for this item. Thank you, Vice Mayor Gift.

Great, thank you so much. And just as a reminder for the community, this is receiving a staff presentation on the proposed project at 1800 Lincoln Avenue. This is not really a time once we opened up for public comment for discussion, but you're welcome to come and make public comments at that time once the presentation is complete. So take it away.

Good evening, Greg Desmond, Planning Building Director here in beautiful Calistoga. And I am here just to introduce the Hamburger development team and want to mention that the project that they are proposing is unique in that it is a project that is The intent of the project is to design and build a housing project that includes housing types that the city is interested in at a scale that is appropriate for this community. And so with that, I'm going to turn it over to the development team and they'll take it from there.

Hello, good evening. Good evening, council. City Manager, thank you everybody for attending. I believe I'm responsible for some people tonight. But that was all part of the process. That was the intent of what we are going for and what we are looking to develop here in Calistoga, a plan that is built for this town and not a plan that is designed for what California thinks needs to be in Every city. So. Yes. So a little bit about who I am, how we got here. My name is Adam Hemberger. I'm a third generation real estate owner here in Calistoga. My grandmother came here in the late 60s, early 70s, and ended up buying this piece of vacant land from a man named Walter Fox, who They traded properties back and forth, but she had a vision that one day this property would be built and developed for our family that was built with the intent For the community and that was it and the whole motto of why she loved Calistoga It was just the gas a tank a tank of gas away from San Francisco It was a perfect place for families. It was a perfect place for people to get away and just relax and I've been coming here my whole life. I still work here every week I feel very much a part of the community. I work with many business owners downtown I have great relationships with with a lot of people in the community and that's really what is driving this whole conversation and why we're here today because our legacy and what we do with this land a lot of people know that We own it. And as we'll kind of go through what's happened recently within California has made this piece of land, a very, um, attractive, um, site for people that are frankly not from here. Um, so I've chosen to, we have chosen to partner with diamond construction, um, who will be coming up here, um, to help fill in some of the gaps for me. But, um, They navigated some interesting challenges on 2400 Grant Street, which was a project that I watched on YouTube and I watched them work with neighbors and I watched them work and listen to the community about what was important, about what the town needed and what the neighbors needed in order to feel like the project fit. And I genuinely can say after that first meeting, the second meeting, I was shocked to see how the room changed because of how they were willing to sit down and listen to people. A little bit about the site, just to go into context about what it is that we're talking about. It's 8.36 acres, and it is right on Lincoln Avenue. It is the last kind of very vacant piece of land along Lincoln. The rear part of the parcel is zoned R3, which is high density. density multifamily and it was also named in the opportunity and housing sites by the city and by the state. The state requires cities to identify specific places where housing would be feasible and then with that certain types of laws can be applied to that site to increase density and do certain things that ultimately can't stop the development. So what the baseline law already sets for this parcel, there is a difference between the buy right approval of what can be built on this site today just with the laws that are available and the entitlements that are available. Due to it being in the inclusionary housing element, it has drawn strong developer interest from local, regional, and national developers that basically want to get in here and build whatever they want and walk away. And that's something that our family has said absolutely no to. We have held on tight to this because we – that's not that's not Calistoga and that's frankly why a lot of people are here tonight because they agree and so once that started up I can get into that in a little bit but what this baseline density allows is by right three hundred and thirty six apartments could go on the site and across the street I think 21 bonus units were used, and then next door to us, I think 11 were used. And the constant feedback I've heard unanimously is that that doesn't look like it belongs in Calistoga. And that's exactly what I don't want to... to go down that path. So the question for the council is a well-designed, reviewable, lower density plan shaped together versus a denser by-right project is effectively what we are trying to come here to work out with the council. So the process so far of where we are today We have submitted and vested an SB 330 application. So we have submitted that application, it is vested. My partners will get in a little bit to about what that means. When we initially got included in the housing site, I reached out to the council members, the prior city manager, and I had meetings with everybody about what's important to you, what do you wanna see done in Calistoga? And I got to work to try and figure out what can be done here that can be done that plays respect to Calistoga, the history, the neighbors, the community that can work well within the site. It's not like a straightforward square site. It's complicated. There's easements, there's apartments, there are a lot of moving pieces. Through those city staff meetings, we gathered quite a bit of data. And then I also had met with Craig Desmond a bunch of times to sit down and talk and understand what does the city want? How can we figure out what would work and how would this play into the housing plan of Calistoga? Again, we have held a community meeting with a lot of the community members here, and it was a very helpful meeting to hear and understand what their concerns were. I have a slide that goes into that as well. was all the feedback's been helpful and we have just full transparency if anybody's expecting a new plan today we have not we are not presenting a new plan today we have not collected feedback on the first iteration what we wanted to do is have a meeting with the council members the community get everybody in the same room and bring transparency to the process of how this how this happens because it's it's I would want to see it done that way if I lived here as well so what we heard from the neighborhood meeting the impact along the fence line studying setbacks and massing and and figuring out how we can protect that back fence line, the traffic and circulation and the impact that it has on the road, the building heights and the water table and the impact on existing trees. And this is a snapshot of the current concept So I don't know if we need to go into the whole concept, but I'm happy to happy to discuss what the thinking is here. But kind of bringing in the apartments to the front along Lincoln and having them redesigned not to look like any other apartment building you see in Calistoga, but to look and feel like a hotel that plays a little bit to the homage of Lincoln. and looking and feeling like a bit of a resort town, but these units would all be apartments for rent. And part of what we're here today to do and part of what we heard from the council is about the missing middle. And so these apartments, what we are aiming to do is make 20, 25% of these apartments missing middle housing. which we've heard from the council is is is a big issue and we agree the other big issue is we're gonna have about 350 400 employees coming to Calistoga within the next two years between the Rosewood project and the Indian Springs project where are they gonna live and if they're not gonna live here they're gonna be they're gonna be driving into town every day so this feels like a much better spot for it than on the backside of the parcel. And then single family homes. That plays more into what is back there already. And then we had some town homes there that back up to DeNova. So again, the other sensitive thing was the traffic on View Road, how we only make that accessible to the single family homes. So zero homes are forced to use View Road, although there will be cars that inevitably do it. But that was some feedback we got from the planning department was you have to have people going the other way. And so again, that was one of these plans, so. Housing Well Applied, Brian, did you wanna pop in here? Sure. This is Brian Griggs with Diamond Construction.

Thank you for your time and the opportunity to present this project, you know, I think as Adam said We've my partner Jeff and I do a lot of development throughout the Bay Area and a lot of communities We came to Calistoga with the opportunity at 2400 grant. We really like the site We think what we ended up with with the neighbors input and collaborations can be phenomenal we're just finishing up some of what we call the horizontal infrastructure and the made road will go in and we're actually hoping to start construction on a couple of the homes in the not too distant future they've already been submitted to Greg and his department for review but what we did differently here after being approached by Adam was to try and you know candidly look at the housing laws that exist and and try not to say, well, this is what needs to be done, this is what can be done. And I think a lot of the process that we see, especially in smaller communities, Jeff and I live in Lafayette, it's kind of where Jeff lives in Moraga, you know, we're sensitive to what can be done by right versus what should be done for development. We are pro-housing. We think the right project in the right location makes sense. I think part of the process that Adam and his family have asked us to undertake is exactly why we're here tonight, which is what does the Hamburger family visualize for this property? I think the community as a whole probably doesn't want anything on the property, or if they do, they want it to be smaller as far as not maximizing the density. And more importantly, if it is on the property, try and be sensitive to the immediate neighbors adjacent. And we did have a neighborhood meeting with I think everyone within 500 feet was invited. We had very good participation as Adam went through some very good feedback. And I think the goal of tonight was not only get the council's input, but the wider citizens within Calistoga try and understand how we got here. So there's a variety of laws. We're not saying these are the laws. I think it's important ultimately when neighbors and council member in the community understand what we're doing versus candidly what could be done and i think greg could attest to some of the other projects that as adam mentioned the one across the street and then the um de nova project got pushed through pretty quickly they use state laws they ask credential density you know with a town already our city already designating this as potentially 181 units By giving you the 10%, which is a requirement for low-income housing, you're automatically given another 20% for a density bonus without doing any more affordable housing. So then you're starting to push 200 units, and this site, in our mind, isn't right for that. So if there's any questions about any of these various laws, the big one that AB 130 came into effect, I don't know if you had any AB 130 projects come through, but last July, in essence took all of the CEQA review and process. This is traffic, this is air quality, this is all sorts of other impacts. And as long as the property is under 20 acres, as long as it was an infill property, None of those things apply anymore. They did apply when we went through 2400 Grant Street, and that's part of the reason that we ended up with the project we did. We knew the neighbors wanted it. We knew that we didn't want to go through a long, drawn-out process with them, and we're really proud of how we've ended up with that project, and we're proud that the Hamburger family has to be part of this project. So if there's any questions, Adam, I'm going to have you pick back up.

Thank you. So yeah, this is a slide on the AB 130. Yeah. So the specific part about the inclusionary housing, the missing middle, missing middle is definitely unique to Calistoga. This is not a statewide thing. The city put out a wonderful 83-page report on the missing middle that we have combed through. something that we're committed to is incorporating that into our project that it's important to the town of Calistoga that we provide that housing because one that is a lot of the people that work here in this town but to Calistoga has done a really good job of meeting all the low and very low housing requirements that it has. I think we're six to eight units away from what's needed in 2035. So very low and low income apartments are not needed here. It's the people that are in that AMI level that need housing aren't able to get it because they're priced out or it's not available to them. so being able to take this project and and work with the city to figure out you know where can what does this property need to do to fit within the guidelines of making it important and impactful for the community that's really where the goal is of of this project um yeah so why we bring that up and why we bring up the um the inclusionary and the missing middle and the deed restricting is because in order to do that, we would want a development agreement with the city. And the development agreement would allow us to deed restrict the property to certain AMI levels. And today the ordinance requires either 10% low income or 20% moderate income. And then you get all these additional density bonuses. We do not want to take that path. So what we're willing to do is do that on this site. We're also willing, if it's available, is to look at the Earl and Eddie site. I know that's been on the council and on the city's mind for a long time of developing that as missing middle for sale housing. It's something that my partners at Diamond Construction are absolutely willing and ready to help out in because they've really enjoyed working with the city and understanding what's important to us and what's important to the community and what's important for basically everybody to feel like a public private partnership is possible so And then also just trying to design for Calistoga and not just fit within an Excel spreadsheet, a box where you drive down the street and you see an apartment building that looks the same here as it does in another large city that doesn't fit in Calistoga. Where do we go from here tonight? So I wanted to come up, introduce myself, gather feedback. We're still meeting with neighbors. There was a lot of people on the list that we reached out to that are still reaching out. So we're having active conversations. We're taking things down. But really hear from the council and, again, from the community. Some people, you're hearing this for the first time because you were not within the 500 feet. But all feedback is important to us. It's important to the Hamburger family, and it's important to the community that this project's done right. So thank you all for your time.

Well, thank you very much for the presentation. While we are not making any decisions this evening, does anyone on the council have any comments they would like to make?

Thank you for the presentation. There's just one thing that I think the council is interested in and that is and I appreciate your attention to missing middle but that additional issue is a chance for this missing middle housing and the people who buy it to accrue equity and I don't think I heard that in the presentation and that can be I'm not telling you how to build but it could be accomplished in a variety of ways of higher density, small footprint homes or opportunities for purchase so that the people who move in, in our middle incomes, have a chance to be part of Calistoga and on a very long-term basis. Thank you.

I just want to say that I appreciate the fact that the developers are reaching out to the community. We are a small community in Calistoga. what happened in one corner of the community affects not only the corner, affects the whole community. So it's very important that everybody gets involved in this process, everybody gets their opinions so they can become to a good balance and something that is going to be beneficial, not only for the investors, but also for the community as a whole. So thank you for that.

I just want to thank you for respecting our community as much as you have. I think a lot of it has to do with your generational history of the family, your grandma and your folks. And it's refreshing to see a developer, a team of developers come in and absolutely respect the community because there's so many other concepts that could be shoved down our throat because of the laws from the state. And so it's just very refreshing And comforting to see your commitment to the community. And I've reviewed the design. I personally think it's favorable. And I just thank you, of course, for bringing all the information to the city council and to the community. And exactly what the city council, Ortega, mentioned is just taking the time to present it to the people 500 feet around the development and just to bring it to us. I just want to thank you for that.

Yes, and just to follow up on what my co-counsel members have said, I really would like to commend the developers for choosing the negotiated development path rather than the by-right approval process. You guys... have chosen a path that is less streamlined and you're negotiating the process with the city which allows that opportunity for collaboration i think by choosing this path you've really demonstrated a willingness to engage in the public process and partner with the city so thank you guys for that and now if there are any comments from members of the public we'll open it up at this time or if we have comment cards we do all the better

Our first speaker is Stuart Schwartz, if I'm saying that right.

Good evening, everybody.

My name is Stuart Schwartz. I live at 4 View Road, and we are affected by this in a very, very major way. What I think Adam potentially should have done here is walked us through the development and explain access and the size of the housing that is going in up against the properties on View Road. Right now, it's scheduled, as I last saw, that there'll be two-story houses right up against our back fences along the road. with a setback of 15 feet yard depth. We find that absolutely unacceptable. I wish that would have been presented. The other thing that we find really larger problem is traffic is directed through View Road at this point and View Road if you know it cannot accept that bunch traffic there's 31 houses proposed so at least 31 automobiles that will be going in and out daily and The road cannot handle that. It's a very narrow street. Usually there's cars parked on both sides of the street. Yeah, it's a little bit of an obstacle. Those are my main concerns. The other is basically the density. I understand that this is much less dense than what the state allows or probably what the community allows. But at the same time, 80%. apartment building 80 apartments a minimum again of 80 cars which is an awful lot of traffic on lincoln and i wonder can lincoln actually handle the amount of traffic that's coming in and out of now the extension of indian springs you've got the other developments off of uh off of Silverado Trail that lead into the town, eventually Lincoln is going to become a real mess at this rate. That's one of my concerns as well. The other concern I have is the number of people that will have children and the overload that could happen at the schools. And that's always a concern in every neighborhood. And I just wonder how that's planned out as well. For the most part, those are my main concerns. I have a list I could go on for a while, but there's 24 seconds left, and I'll turn the mic over to somebody else. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments.

Next speaker is Charlotte Williams.

Charlotte Williams, 59 View Road. Though this backs up to neighbors on View Road, it does not back up to our house. And what I think is horrible. Personally, it's horrible is to have a two story home built within 15 feet of one's backyard fence. That's awful. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. And in this case, I think the golden rule applies. Do not do unto others as you would not have done unto yourself. Pretty horrible. A second concern is the level of the field there. If you are at all familiar with the Up Valley Inn, you will notice that it is several feet above the field level. And if you have traveled on Lincoln Avenue, You can see in the winter the mist rising off of the moisture in that field. That field is significantly lower than Lincoln Avenue. I believe it will have to be filled to allow any sort of building to go on there. And what I think of immediately when I think of that problem, I think of what happened at the end of Redwood Avenue next to the Seventh Day Adventist Church where Those houses, there was so much fill put in there, I'm sure it's at least six feet of fill, and standing in the backyard of those houses, they are looking down into the neighbors on, over the back fence of the neighbors on Michael and on Maggie. That is a horrific thing, and I don't know how that managed to get approved, but that looks to me like what's going to happen to this also. So just horrible, you know, I don't think that, actually I don't think that property is appropriate for building on like this. I just don't. With the fill and how it's going to affect not only the value, the monetary value of the surrounding homes, especially on View Road, but the enjoyment. And that is, I believe, in our city code to respect people's, the value and the enjoyment of their property. This project damages that. And thirdly, traffic going out onto View Road is, that's just ridiculous, it's ridiculous. That is essentially a one-lane street, and to be adding, probably it's gonna be more than one car per house, and all the vehicle trips back and forth, and guests coming to and fro, No, unsafe, unsafe. And once again, it damages the property value and the enjoyment of the people who have existing homes on View Road. Lots of problems here. Safety also. I mean, it's just flat out unsafe.

Thank you for the comments. Next speaker.

Anita Stevens.

Sorry. Sorry. Good evening. My name is Anita Stevens. I live at Two View Road and I've lived in the Up Valley for 43 years and in my existing house at Two View for 21 years. Let me start out by saying that I'm terribly sad that so much of Calistoga's open space is being developed. Not just family homes, but huge developments that are unsightly. I hate them. It's very sad. I feel the field behind our house is home to birds, animals. I know that seems insignificant, but where will they go if more and more developments keep going in? Anyway, that's not the reason why we're here this evening. My neighbors and I would like to find a way to compromise with Mr. Hamburger so that we continue to have a quality of life where we live. Our suggestions are these. Perhaps there could be a greenbelt with trees between our fence line and the proposed houses. In addition to a greenbelt, perhaps the houses near our fence line could be single story houses so that we have privacy in our backyards and it won't be so unsightly. Lastly, I agree with Charlotte that View Road cannot have any more traffic. So we strongly request that there is no use of View Road or Archway as used by the development should it come to fruition. It is a narrow neighborhood road, cars parked on both sides, children, cats, THERE'S LOCALS AND TOURISTS ALIKE THAT ARE TAKING WALKS OR PEOPLE WALKING THEIR DOGS. IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK. AND SO I HEAR WHAT MR. HEMBURGER IS SAYING ABOUT THAT HE WANTS TO WORK WITH CALISTOGA, BUT I'M NOT SURE I TRUST THAT. AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT IT. AND SO IF THIS DEVELOPMENT is pushes some of people who were local for so long out because of the repercussions of it. It's just not right. Anyway, thank you.

Thank you for the comments. And our next speaker.

Greg Stevens.

Let's read something I wrote up here.

Keeping Calistoga, Calistoga. Good evening. Calistoga is more than just a place to live. It's a small town with a unique character, beautiful open spaces, and a strong sense of community. These are the very qualities that make this place and people where I live. I want to visit and keep coming back. Growth is part of life these days. Growth should never come at the expense of what makes Calistoga special. Every time open land is replaced with another development, we lose a piece of our town's identity. Once that open space is gone, it's rarely recovered. When spaces provide a beautiful view, support wildlife, preserve the agriculture, reduce traffic congestion. And remind us of not that every acre needs to be developed. They also strengthen our local economy by protecting the scenery and small town atmosphere, attracting and attracting visitors from all around the world. This isn't about stopping development, it's about making thoughtful decisions. New houses and business should fit the community of Calistoga, not overwhelm it. We should ask ourselves not just can we build it, but will this make Calistoga a better place to live 20 years from now or 100 years from now? Choices that we make today will shape the town and for our children and our grandchildren to inherit. Let's protect these open spaces, beautiful natural beauty and small town charm that define Calistoga for generations. Together we can ensure Calistoga remains not just a growing town but a community that values history, landscape and its future. Thank you.

Thank you for the comments.

Next is Cassidy Harris.

Thank you, community. Thank you, council. Thank you, vice mayor. Thank you, Adam Hemberger and Diamond Construction for working with us. I had a whole litany of my priority concerns, and I think those are going to be mirrored by my neighbors. And these are my neighbors. But what I heard you guys talk about is community and your family, your grandmother. wanting community. This is the community. And I think we want to work with you. We want to see you guys be the heroes that can build something we can all support. But we can't support that. That's a picture of my backyard. That's what that would look like from my backyard. And yeah, I used yellow because that's what you guys have. That ruins my community. I have renderings from neighbors' backyards. I guess I want to invite you guys to come to our backyards, to come to View Road, to come talk to us, come have coffee with us. Because we can go on and on about traffic and safety, huge problems. Drainage, infrastructure, stormwater runoff, heritage oak trees, wildlife corridors. We can go on and on about how my kids rode their bikes up and down View Road, and I didn't have to worry about them because we didn't have to worry about traffic. But with this proposal, we're all going to be pushed into a different kind of worry. And I ask you council members to take that under consideration when we're looking at all of these things. Yes, I know we need housing. We need development. We're not against development, but we are only for development that benefits future community, but the community that's been here, people who have been living on this street for 40, 50 years, myself, 11. We moved in because of the nature of the community. And I'm here to help my neighbors form a very tight coalition to make sure that we do it right and we do it together. Thank you.

Thank you for the comments.

Leslie Easterday.

Hi. My name is Leslie Easterday, and I live on View Road. And a lot, I would say, has already been said. But I think what could happen to View Road is paramount. At any rate, I have heard that you want to be a good neighbor. But developing an extension of View Road Adding more cars creates congestion, traffic, and noise. And that is not acting as a good neighbor. I live at 75 View Road. It's a narrow street. We've already talked about that. There's no sidewalks. There are neighbors that are out walking on it with their children, with their dogs. I've seen people riding bicycles. all that has already been talked about, baby strollers, neighbors chatting with neighbors, and we have a yearly party out, um, on View Road. I invite you, I invite you, Adam, to come to View Road. Walk it with us. Bringing more cars and congestion will ruin, will ruin our neighborly street. And that is not being a good neighbor. And it breaks my heart.

Thank you for the comments.

Next is Judy Whitney.

OK. My name is Judy Whitney, and I've lived in my family home on View Road off and on since 1959. View Road has always been a special, quiet, family-oriented street with children playing in the front yards since there are few sidewalks and also playing in the street. Also, many locals enjoy walking the neighborhood with their dogs and grandkids and whatever. Since the speed pillars were put on Lake Street, traffic has increased substantially with autos and large delivery trucks trying to avoid the bumps. I am troubled by the possibility of this hamburger project adding 31 homes, dumping a possible 100 or 200 more car trips per day onto our very narrow, pedestrian-utilized street. As it is, if vehicles are parked on the street, only a center lane exists, and even that can be dicey. I'm asking you, Mr. Hemberger and your developer, to please find a way to empty traffic from the single-family homes onto Lincoln Avenue instead of onto View as a matter of safety. I would hope that the residents who have lived here for years would take precedent over new homeowners when it comes to a Lincoln Avenue exit as opposed to View Road. I would also like to express my displeasure at the matter of two-story homes against the back of these single-story homes. on the east side of View Road and Archway. Our homes were bought with the road name honoring the view, not expecting to have newcomers looking into their pools in their backyards. Thank you, Mr. Hamburger and your builder and the council for consideration on this matter. We on View and Arch are hopeful that a solution can be found that will be mutually satisfactory. Thank you.

That's all we have for speaker cards.

All right. Are there any more public comments maybe that did not have a speaker card? Please come to the microphone, and you have three minutes.

Oh, that's my pen. Carrie 1720, Renard Lane. I live on Renard, which is easily 500 feet, less than 500 feet. This is the first time I heard about this development. Renard Lane runs off of Lake Street. And as the crow flies, I could walk 200 feet and probably be standing in the Barrett's backyard. Anyway, so first off, I counted on that map 33 homes and then heard 80 apartments. So that is, if it's a couple living there and everybody has a car, you're looking at 200 plus cars coming in and out of the street. Nobody in this whole presentation is taking into consideration the urban design plan that this city has had in place for years. The gateways of Calistoga, which is actually, that's one of them on Silverado Trail 29 and Lake Street is a gateway to Calistoga. The gateways were always supposed to have a little more open space than it was supposed to be dense. I get it. You can't tell people what they can or can't do with their property. I understand it. But with that said, Nobody talked about the floodplain. And Charlotte alluded to how the steam rises. What is the floodplain for that area? If you build everything up, somebody's going to be flooded out. We do get rain. Believe it or not, Calistoga has been known to get at least 61 inches of rain a year. The egress out of the development, if there's 250 cars, is a problem. The egress out of town in an emergency is a bigger problem. That is a bigger problem. If during our fires, Silverado Trail, Highway 29 up to Middletown was closed, where is everybody? 29 was closed going to Napa. The only egress was 128. Somebody's going to die in a fire in Calistoga. It's going to be paradise. It doesn't seem logical that we want to stack. I mean, you have to get to a point where you realize saturation is saturation, and public safety should count for something. I was born and raised here. You don't think I've seen changes? I'm 66 years old. There's been changes. I'm not against progress, but we need to be prudent. Thank you very much.

Hi, my name is Eric Blazin. We're at 4 Archway. And we came to the previous meeting by the developer and Adam. And actually, I have to thank them for putting together things and bringing us in. And I think he's getting a lot of input from all of us. And hopefully, we're really going to look forward to seeing a revised plan. But I definitely agree with a lot of people here on two stories abutting up to a neighborhood that's all one story is just not good. It's also, you know, we put a pool in our backyard. I don't want some house behind us looking down into us. I mean, it'd be horrible. We know that this site was gonna be developed someday, and I'm happy that they're not gonna do what happened just down the street from us, where there are three-story condominiums. I'm happy that that action is actually happening on Lincoln. I think that's good. I'd like to see more green space and a buffer. I'd like to see a lot of the really good existing oak trees that are there. you know design around them i mean if their heritage trees they're protected so i think those are things that are important to us and setbacks i mean the neighborhoods one-story houses we have bigger backyard bigger yards these are tight really tight two-story houses so i would encourage when talking about thinking about the middle People live here because we like to be outside. We like to go in our gardens It's not about having a three or four, you know bedroom house. It could be smaller. Our house is small It's like 1,200 square feet or less so to me it's about the garden and the house so I think this is a good start and I think that You know, it's important that I really look forward to seeing the next iteration of this. Thank you.

Thank you for the comments.

I'm speaking now not as a member of the City Council nor as a representative of the public, but solely for myself as a resident. I'd like to make three points. First, I can be and want to be supportive of a proposal for housing. But it's essential that the project be respectful of the neighborhood, which is the context of this project. Hence, my second point. The prospect of two-story houses close to the backyards of the houses on View Road. Those houses are all modest, single-story structures. It just would not be neighborly to have new second stories overlooking the backyards of the houses already there. And likewise, from those backyards, to see a second-story wall imposed. The third point is the proposed access from the development onto View Road. View Road is a winding, essentially single-lane street. Kids play on View Road regularly. It's a local lane never designed for heavy, two-directional traffic. It is also a safe, much-used pedestrian route from all the neighborhoods around La Prima Pizza into downtown because the streets on either side, Lincoln and Lake Street, are busy and not conducive to foot traffic. So View Road in between them is a successful street. It serves the neighborhood and it encourages safe, active transportation. Introducing more cars onto View Road would certainly make it unsafe for bikes, walking, kids playing. But alternatively, channel those cars into Lincoln Avenue, and Lincoln Avenue would hardly know the difference. For the new neighborhood to be successful, there's no need to compromise the old one. There's no need to make one neighborhood work at the expense of another. So to summarize, one, use the View Road spur or extension only for pedestrians or emergency egress. Two, move the multiple story housing away from people's backyards. Three, I would like to be your ally and supporter for a successful project.

Thank you for your comments.

My name is David Lefson, and I have the property at 8 View Road. And just a few quick points. First, thank you for allowing us to be part of this process and hearing our input. I have pretty much the same concerns as everybody else. First is the safety on View Road. Because there are no sidewalks, one of the things we didn't talk about, the only place to walk is down the middle of the road. And it's only one car wide when this car is parked. So you have... Pedestrians coming right at cars. There's no other way. There's nowhere else to walk. So that is one concern. So if we could avoid having additional traffic on the street because it's not only the cars that live there, it's the delivery trucks. And with Amazon and all these other services now, that is a frequent thing to happen. And they're going to come down there whether or not we like it. The second thing is obviously two stories overlooking our single stories is a concern. And the proximity to our fence line, in my case, I have some very old redwood trees there that are very tall and they're right on the property line. And if you go dig that up right on the property line, those trees were probably not going to make it. And that's a big problem if they come down on either my house or the neighbor's house. And I did notice that he mentioned that vegetation during his presentation, so appreciate you hearing that, but those are my concerns about having it so close. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Good evening. I get to represent Grant Street, because everybody else lives on view. I have the dubious honor of living at 1514 Grant Street. It's right next to Silverado Terrace. I now have three units, three stories tall, that look right into my house. I have to go get blinds so I can walk around my house in my jammies in the morning before I have my coffee and get ready. I don't have anything really new to add except you have no idea how invasive it is to suddenly have your nice quiet house surrounded by tall structures. So you guys, I think you've been great from Diamond and Adam to talk to everybody, but I really do pray that you will listen and try and do something about those guys looking right down into your backyard. Obviously everything else is also a concern for us, but we have been dramatically impacted by Silverado Terrace. And so I just wanted to share, this is not a, oh, it's gonna be bad. This is, it is bad. I've had company come up all the time. And we always sit outside, several people. This is California. We sit outside. Every single one of them is like, oh, maybe we should move in the house now. We don't feel comfortable. And they say they're going to put trees in. And the guys at Silverado, in their fairness, were very helpful during this time. But the trees are like this tall. They don't help block anything from a three-story unit looking into my yard. So again, please continue to work with us. Let's look at trees. Let's look at barriers. Let's look at a green path or something. I, too, want to be like Don. I thought you put it very well. I want to be a supporter of this. I don't want to be somebody who's . And so thank you very kindly for listening to my words.

Thank you for your comments. Anybody else in the room here?

Hi, I'm Rebecca Cooper, I'm at 4 Arch. That's my husband Eric over there. Thank you very much. I am a, builder's daughter, so I get it. He was a big developer. And when I came to Calistoga and we bought our place, it's one story, it's on the corner. Come look at it. It's magical. It's really charming. And you have a fantastic opportunity to create that for new people coming in. That's all I got to say.

Thank you all for your time. All right. And I think we have one more in the room and then we'll go to online. Okay. We'll go to the online comments now.

Okay. Eunice, can you unmute yourself?

Can you hear me? Yes.

Okay.

My name is Eunice Robertson and I'm at 49 view road. I'll try to keep this short because. Basically, everyone has already voiced my primary concerns. I too am very concerned about the two-story homes. I can't even imagine what that would do to ruin someone's enjoyment of their home and their sense of privacy, not to mention the real impact it would have on their property value. I also happen to live on the part of the road that would be very impacted by this access road. That part of the road is curved. It's narrow. And as everyone else has voiced, Mew Road is a very pleasant street that residents on the street and from surrounding streets like to use to take walks, to push their strollers, walk their dogs. It's a very safe street where kids can ride their bikes unsupervised. And I think this access throw would really ruin that for the community. Um, I have a lot of concerns about the traffic and safety. And that's all I have to say.

Thank you. Corey, can you unmute yourself?

Hi, this is Corey. Can you hear me okay?

Yes.

Hi, good evening. Thanks for the time, y'all. My name is Corey Robertson. I also live at 49 View Road. Eunice and I are married. My comments are kind of derivative of what you've heard today, but it's really concerning around the character, safety, and traffic levels in our quiet, well-established neighborhood. And like others, I think the focus is very briefly on the two areas that I think we all kind of agree on. One is around the two-story homes and whether they're congruent with the character and whether they would impinge on my neighbor's space. I would also have a challenge to figure out how to be in my backyard and have my sight line changed as dramatically as what we've seen in the initial plans. especially if I were considered that we're a long-time resident of View, Grant, and Arch, especially on that side of the street. Secondly, I'm also quite concerned about the access point through View Road. I mean, View has been described, and as many here already know, is a quiet and safe street. It's not rated or designed for heavy traffic. In fact, it acts as much as a walking path as it does for vehicle traffic use. And personally, one of my favorite parts of living on View Road is spending the evenings on the front porch with a cocktail, just enjoying the neighborhood, seeing my neighbors, and just enjoying the quiet inherent to small-town life. I do also live in San Francisco and have enjoyed and plan to retire in this very quiet area of heaven. um proposal just as another part is equally disturbing since there's a major traffic artery lincoln avenue which is already being planned for use in the development um but it's not being contemplated for access for these houses the the houses that abut view road as i think about it having a separate entrance for these million dollar plus homes separated from but not accessible by the lower income renters who have their own separate entrance seem to drive a sense of class separation that doesn't feel like the calistoga i've come to love over the last 12 years My intent to share these concerns that the Hamburger family and developer can take these concerns as well as concerns you've heard from others into your plans. My hope is that this feedback allows you a real opportunity to add to the fabric of our local community. Thank you.

Boris. Oops. Can you unmute yourself?

Yes, can you hear me? Yes. Thank you so much. My name is Boris Pavlovich. I'm the owner of 22 Archway. My concerns have already been mentioned tonight. First, towering two-story homes, especially when built adjacent to current properties, would loom over existing homes, eroding privacy and fundamentally changing the character of our neighborhood so that's probably my biggest concern and the second one that was also mentioned is uh about increasing traffic and uh the safety risks that come with that along both archway and view road thank you so much that's all the online we have okay great are there any more comments from the council

Oh, we have one more comment from in the room, or two more comments from in the room, okay.

Hi, I'm Jen Futel and I live at 15 View. I'm not opposed to developing either, but we have so much development going on and a lot of kids doing nothing in this town. We have nothing for our children. Why don't we look at developing something for the kids there that wouldn't impact our homes, but we give them some place to go and have fun? Because we have nothing. The Boys and Girls Club is great, I work there, but it doesn't survive past a certain time. We have kids running around with no activities but their bikes and some playgrounds. Why don't we build a roller skating rink? um something that is small or you know something that is one story but doesn't impact our views we could have a great green belt and kids could have fun we have nothing for them here so that's my my opinion let's look at the kids instead of looking at more homes because we got a whole bunch of 2.2 millions that are doing nothing for us so that's what i asked

Thank you for your comments.

Good evening. I was trying to come up last. My name is Jeff Stone. I'm the CEO of Diamond Construction. I'm lucky enough to call myself Adam's partner on this project. I think what I'm focused on is first actually listening to every single person's comments. I've been taking notes along the way because that's the purpose of what we're doing. As you know, with state law, we don't have to do this. Most developers actually, my friends tease me that I do this still because I think For the development that I've seen in my own community, and I'm a second generation general contractor that turned developer by starting in the field at 14 years old with my hands and then being lucky enough to grow the company to where it is. It really starts with empathy, respect, and compassion, because everything everyone said in this room is true to them. It's not something that's fabricated. They're not trying to get something that's unfair. They're saying something that's truthful. They've seen their children on bicycles. They've seen their family raised. They've had cocktails with their wife that they follow on a Zoom call as a means of finding the special place of what we think is special about Calistoga as well. The hardest part is that development is a challenging business, that unfortunately the costs that go into what we have to put together as a plan is increasingly challenging because a lot of people don't have a place to live that's near where they work. and it's becoming an increasing problem in the state of California. It's not just Calistoga. We do work up throughout the state and unfortunately, the missing middle is becoming an increasing problem across our state because we have subsidized housing on the bottom side and then we have luxury on the top side. and unfortunately we're missing out on a lot of people we're missing out on children we're missing out on quite a few different residents that actually need a place to live and a place to call home which we think i'm on the board of two land trusts we should protect our open space i couldn't agree more with most people inside of this room so we need to responsibly build housing in places that make sense and we come from that framework where i want to reiterate as a person and as I drive home tonight, I live in Moraga, I will think through every comment that is made by each individual because it's true. And I'm raising three daughters at a home where my kids go play on the street. I feel that emotional connection to my home, which is not commercial in nature and I respect it. With what I heard was two major themes. I think people on View Road don't want us to access their street. I also think that they don't want two-story buildings overlooking their backyards. I think with some thoughtful design, which just so that this room is where I can...

No, we'll let it continue. Please finish.

I want to go. Let me go.

We'll extend. No, please finish.

Of course. I think with and what this room doesn't know is this is our eighth design of going back to the city with. And probably, as Adam would tell you, my mom's an architect, dad's a builder. So the dinner conversation since I was three years old was about the design or the execution. I think I've fallen more with my mom over the years that it starts with great design. And what we tried to put in front of the community first was not the first design. And what I saw other builders present to the Hemberger family was 300 unit apartment building and structures that was a maximum density project because that's what a lot of developers are doing now. We can maximize because we can use state law. I'm a land use attorney and we know the playbook because the state has rolled it out to us and what we're trying to do and I hope if anything, don't say anything to me, but I hope this room truly respects Adam for how he's going about this process. He is a person and their family has been committed to not extract the most from this land. And he's been committed on every single call and meeting I've had with him and his family saying this needs to be right for the legacy of my family. So I hope that this room knows that that's not washed. That's truly how he feels and that's what he's trying to deliver. I'll finish on things can be redesigned. That's why we're in this room. A lot of developers wouldn't have that attitude. What would be incredibly helpful for me tonight is if this council can opine on whether or not they think that this project that warrants a development agreement, I understood what needs to be redesigned in this room, Now what would be helpful is for council to help us to tell us if they would like us to comply with the inclusionary housing ordinance of 10% LI, 20% moderate, or if they want to modify an agreement through a development agreement whereby we can actually try to increase the value and the percentages of missing middle if that is what this community feels they need. We need direction on how we're going to go through this process other than deal with some of the design issues that are, trust me, I know what I need to do when I get home tonight with the architect. What I do also need to know is how I'm going to run a process and how collaborative it's going to be with the city and how creative you want it to be in the process so that we can actually both benefit in a way that we can make this something that, as the mayor said, a win that everyone feels like they can support. Again, thank you all for all of your time.

Thank you for the comments. And is there anyone else in the room? And again, we're not here to make any decisions tonight. And these are discussions that can be handled with our planning director as we move forward. But no decisions are being made here tonight.

Yeah, I just I wanted to come up and thank you guys again. Thank thank all the neighbors in the community for everything that you've shared with us. It's not something that goes in one ear out the other. It's like we want I we would not be going through this process if it's not something that really meant meant something to us. So we will get to work and hopefully we can see a lot more smiling faces next time. So thank you.

Thank you. And I just want to thank everyone for being here and weighing in. Again, your opinions matter. So thank you all for coming out and speaking tonight. And if you're not here for the rest of the agenda, you're welcome to dismiss yourself or you can hang out with us. I'm also going to call a quick recess, a five-minute recess, please.

Good call.

Okay, we're going to resume the meeting here. I want to thank Vice Mayor gift for sitting in for me on that previous item. Appreciate that, Vice Mayor. We're going to the consent calendar. This is item six on the agenda. The consent calendar has eight items on it. I'd like to pull 6.6 and 6.8. Are there any other items that anybody would like to pull any other council members? Are we good otherwise? Okay, I'll entertain a motion then to approve the consent calendar with the exception of 6.6 and 6.8. So moved.

Second. Thank you.

We have a motion by Councilmember Cooper and a second by Councilmember Eisenberg. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Passes. Let's go to 6.6. And this is... the second reading of an ordinance amending chapter 8.16 of the Kalisoga municipal code garbage and refuse relating to commercial waste collection and disposal and I pulled this item I only want to confirm thank you public works director Rainer is here I only want to confirm that in the case that was brought to our attention of a small business owner who hasn't any significant waste except maybe some papers now and then that he brings home or she brings home to dispose of without any special waste disposal. I want to confirm that there can be an exception or waiver for small commercial users who just have an office, say, and don't generate any significant waste. And is there a route for them to be exempt from having to provide a receipt every week?

Yes, I think we can find a way to include that for, you know, folks that, you know, basically are going to be taking their waste home or whatever, just, you know, using another alternative mode of getting rid of their waste, you know, because there is that option in the ordinance already. So I think we can go ahead and, you know, make a waiver for something like that. for a very small business that's not gonna generate a lot of trash.

And I'm satisfied if there's an understanding that if someone makes a reasonable application to that effect that your department could investigate and confirm that and make that exception. I'll be satisfied with that. In that case, any other questions?

I just wanna build on that. I really support the mayor's position on this. I think that I said the last time this was brought forward I used to have a small marketing company. I just generated a small amount of paper and would shred some stuff and would take that stuff home to my home garbage. And I think in these cases, additionally, we shouldn't make it over arduous on our business owners. I mean, even if they can show their home garbage bill or whatever the case may be. I don't want to make it too cumbersome on them to be able to prove this kind of thing. So thank you for bringing that up.

Yes, and I think I feel comfortable with Public Works using their reasonable discretion if someone makes an application for a waiver, and I'll be satisfied with that. Perfect. If it becomes a problem, we can revisit it. In that case, I'll move that we, any other council members on this 6.6? In that case, Let's see, is there any public comment on this? Okay, we'll close. Yes, yes.

I don't know if this falls under this, but I saw a Public Works employee today, and I said, who manages the black garbage cans on Lincoln Avenue? And he said, waste management. But I've talked to a couple people who work in businesses along Lincoln. And the garbage cans are overflowing. And he said, well, they only come in the mornings like at 5 o'clock, maybe four times a week. Well, sometimes that's not enough. There's trash. I talked to a lady who works. on the side of, Sarah Fornia's side, she said over the weekend, trash was just overflowing, and Public Works, and the gentleman from Public Works said, on Fourth of July, they'll man those, but is there, like, I can't stand seeing trash, you know me. I got a trash can finally over by the firehouse. But I feel like if you're not gonna have the trash cans, people aren't gonna use them and then trash is all over the street. But if that's their job, is that a contract? And while you're talking about working out things with the waste management, hopefully that can be part of the conversation.

Thank you. Okay, thank you for the comment. That'll be something we can look into, staff can look into that, city managers making notes on that. Thank you for the comment. Any other public comment? It's closed public comment then council members Okay, I will make a motion then that we approve item 6.6 as it's presented to us I'll second. Thank you a motion by myself a second by vice mayor all in favor aye Opposed that passes. Thank you council. I'm going to this other one.

I pulled which is Six point eight

6.8 this is the the subject is the the consultant services and monhoff building lease agreement that we have with boys and girls club and where the staff has written up a proposal that would uh that would decrease the amount uh allocated to the boys and girls club by twenty thousand dollars but also uh Pay the utilities which would amount to approximately ten thousand dollars So there's been net decrease of the allocation of funding to the Boys and Girls Club of approximately ten thousand dollars and I Speaking for myself. I appreciated the council's previous discussion which would have allocated twenty thousand dollars to different agencies or services that are provided by different organizations in the city. And so I bring this up just to check with the council if you feel okay about this or if you would rather go back to a $20,000 decrease to the Boys and Girls Club allocating it to other organizations and services. And yes, Councilman Eisenberg.

I appreciate that our city and the boys and girls club board were able to come to a good agreement that satisfies both parties and continues allow us to continue to have a teen center that serves the youth of Calistoga I think this is a very good conclusion to an ongoing discussion.

Other council members, yes.

Yeah, I think the whole origin of this topic was the desire to help support the food bank and the food deficiencies in town. And I see that we do have potentially a net reduction in our cost of 10,000. Would there be an appetite for the city council to maybe allocate that towards that? the food bank or food needs in town?

Possibly that's not actually the item before us at the moment but sure it could be another item sure we could discuss what to do with that other 10,000. The previous discussion was to allocate it perhaps to the food bank and partly to the I forget when we allocate right funds for the other non-community enrichment grants yeah but sure we can decide how to do that with that 10 000. yes city manager so i was just going to remind that um this got brought up during the budget workshop as far as trying to allocate money to uh

some discretionary funding groups and what was talked about was the food bank as well as the community enrichment grants. And so we staff will come back toward you now that this has been settled and we know what the.

But we haven't voted on it yet.

No I know. Well you're right. But once we decide once you decide then we would come back I'm saying we would come back regarding the discretionary funding and what that would be in addition to this conversation or this decision. as well as re looking at our budget right we're looking at our budget and see where it stands. Staff will come back to you with your original direction to us as far as how that those allocations could take place or if they need to be reduced.

OK. All right. Other council members? Yes.

So in the effort of clarification and to build on what the city manager stated, this was all brought about during a conversation during our budget discussions. I think it's really important to clarify that this is not a cut to the Boys and Girls Club. It is to the teen center. a program in which the city has been providing a building at no cost since 2002 and also covering a hundred percent of the utilities on that building until last year and And since 2004, also giving $40,000 a year in support services to that organization. Our review of this at the budget was a temporary reallocation of funds for us to support the growing and vast need of food insecurity in our community and I feel like we've done this and Much to councilmember Eisenberg's point. I think that we've come to a really agreeable Solution, I think we can all agree. We don't want to lose this program, especially going right into the summer and we can also view this once again at that mid-year budget cycle so again this isn't a permanent or forever decision it's a temporary reallocation of funds so we can support and serve the most needy members of our of our community okay other council members

Yes. First, I want to clarify my position in this issue. I don't disagree that the teen center offers the youth a safe place for them to hang out after school or school breaks, but also one of the reasons the kids go to the teen center is because their parents, these kids, are working 14, 16 hours a day to be able to pay the rent, the utilities, and all the expenses in the household. One of these expenses is food. And we all know that food prices are so high, especially in this community. With the council or myself, I feel the necessity to support the food bank and other nonprofit organizations that provide services to needs of the community members. So for me, dividing the funds that we had available is the right thing to do. we have been supporting the teen center for many years. And now that we have the necessity at the food bank, I think it's okay to reduce the funds as being mentioned temporary until we get more funds available. Also having the city to pay the utilities expenses for the teen center, I think is something that we should not do. On a regular rental property, the renters are responsible for the utility expenses. And in this case, I feel like the teen center is using the Manhattan building for free. So they should be responsible to pay the utilities. So as I say, I don't disagree that the teen center offers wonderful service for our youth, but also we have to take in consideration the needs of the rest of the community members.

Thank you. And you said very well that's basically my position as well that the funds can be allocated as well to other organizations that are of service to the community and which maybe we haven't heard from in the same way but which are also doing excellent work and it's not an indication that the Boys and Girls Club is not doing good work but that there's only so much to go around and we want to allocate it as fairly as possible. Any other comments there?

yeah i just you know i had reservations from the very beginning it's reducing that amount it began to make sense because of the food insecurity and i do believe that is an issue but i think we can probably source those extra funds from another source i think it's you know important to keep that agreement in place and i appreciate the Boys and Girls Club negotiating with a reduced amount. I think that represents a good collaboration that I think is important for us to continue moving forward. So I would support this reduction as it stands.

Okay, let's see. We haven't opened a public comment. Let's take public comment on this. Would anybody like to address the council? Yes, Ms. Yant.

Many years ago, when the Monhoff Center was being built, I actually lived where Palisades High School is. I can tell you that the tennis court lights were on sometimes until two in the morning. People were out playing tennis, and I'd like to know if that utility bill also includes the lights on the tennis court, because they were on very late and on early in the morning for the tennis players. So if that's part of that utility bill tied into Monhoff, because they were it was built right there in the late 70s, I'm gonna say 77-ish, that that might be something that should be considered because the teen center shouldn't be locked into use of utilities that they're not incurring. Can you look into that?

Thank you. Thank you for your comment. I don't know the answer to that question, but it's something to look into, Vice Mayor? You had a question? I don't know the answer to that question.

Well, the utilities are split. And so there is a split between on the whole property.

In this one, I think the city.

I think that's worth looking at for sure. Yes.

Let's get some clarification. Thank you, Ms. Yant, for that question.

Before you make that decision, it should be clear.

Thank you. And Deputy City Manager, do you have insight on this?

I do I've done the invoicing for the Boys and Girls Club for the utilities and it is a separate bill. So they've only been billed for the utilities that were associated with the actual building. The tennis courts is on its own separate meter.

And that's school property. The tennis courts are school property.

So that that's actually included in the city's bill. But it has nothing to do with the actual Monhoff building.

OK great. Is there any other public comment then. We have public comment right here. Yes.

Carrie Abreu. I'm still going to stand up here and say that I think it's wrong to take away from the teen center. You guys are lumping in. The teen center is a lined item for the Boys and Girls Club. They also only get an allotment. Any other programs they do, they're out trying to get these kids to work at nonprofit events. So we'll give a donation back to them so they can afford to get stuff. I'm not saying that food insecurity is not something we should deal with, but once again, the money that's given in subsidies to other people, pardon me, to other organizations such as the chamber, I know everyone goes, well, it doesn't even matter. It does matter because there's no way in a town like this and the money that goes through for budgets alone that there can't be both given to food insecurity and to our children of our future. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THESE KIDS THAT MAY BE AT RISK. FRANK DEFEDE HAD THE AMIGOS. IT WAS A GREAT PROGRAM. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE AMIGOS IS HE STARTED A GOLF CLUB AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. THE GOLF CLUB, THEY WORKED EVERY EVENT IN THIS TOWN. HE TOOK THEM ON GREAT TRIPS, FOUR GREAT TRIPS A YEAR. nobody wants to believe that just because kids a lot of kids don't live here anymore doesn't mean they don't want to live here and raise their children here I mean we all did and it was great but I feel like you're cutting that off by by not making these kids a priority thank you thank you any other public comment from the chambers here or we'll check online city clerk

None on the line.

Okay, nobody on the line and no one coming forward. Okay, let's close public comment and bring it back to council members. Any last comments before we have a motion or who would like to make a motion?

I'll make a motion to adopt.

I'll second. All right, we have a motion by Vice Mayor to adopt the lease agreement as it's presented. Is that correct?

Yep, that's correct.

Great. And a second by Councilman Eisenberg. Let's take a roll call vote, please, City Clerk.

Councilmember Eisenberg. Aye. Councilmember Cooper. Aye. Councilmember Lopez- Ortega. Aye. Vice Mayor Gift.

Aye.

Mayor Williams.

Nay. Okay, thank you councilmembers for that discussion. Let us go to 8.1. And this is the subject is looking for City Council direction on priority projects for Upper Valley waste management funding application. And thank goodness Public Works Director Rainer is here to help us understand what this is about.

Well, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Appreciate that. And good evening, council members. Derek Rainer, Calistoga Public Works director. And yes, the item before you is the city council direction on priority projects for the Upper Valley Waste Management Agency funding application. YOU MAY RECALL THAT UPPER VALLEY HAS GRANT FUNDING AVAILABLE AND WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS PREVIOUSLY. WE HAD PURCHASED A STREET SWEEPER ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO AND ONE OF THE GRANTS THAT THE CITY HAD PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR WITH THIS FUNDING WAS TO FUND ABOUT $100,000 OF THE STREET SWEEPER. And we've also participated in some funding for some three-way public receptacles, which are the ones that have compost, recycle, and landfill materials kind of combined. Some of the other agencies locally that have received some of this funding as well have also purchased the three-way waste bins, the big belly units. They've also purchased mulching lawnmower equipment and illegal dumping cameras and message boards and signage. So those are some of what the other agencies have done with that grant funding. And this is more of just a discussion for your council to develop any ideas that you would like to direct staff on to apply for this funding. And typically, the funding is about $100,000. I think in one of the attachments, they show what they've funded with other agencies and at ranges. ANYWHERE FROM 70 TO 120,000 RANGE. SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF IDEAS. ONE WAS A SIDEWALK SWEEPER FOR MAIN STREET DOWNTOWN THAT RUNS ABOUT 60,000. WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR SOME THREE-WAY COMPOST LANDFILL RECYCLE BINS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS AND THE POOL. WE DID RECEIVE A QUOTE ON 14 OF THOSE. 14 OF THEM RUN ABOUT $36,000. and but with that you know we we really wanted to just kind of open up the discussion and find out what your interests are and and then direct staff on what you'd like us to apply for okay great so you're looking for ideas from us okay thank you I have a couple of thoughts but let me defer to council members first yes councilman Eisenberg

I have a question about the sidewalk sweeper. Would it be adaptable to use on our portion of the Vine Trail, the bicycle pedestrian trail? Yes. And looking at how we want to keep also downtown presentable, I personally think that would be a great idea for the overall improvement of Calistoga and our new bicycle trail. And downtown streets.

OK. Thank you, Councilmember. Other? Yes, Councilman Cooper.

I agree with Councilman Eisenberg. I think it's a versatile opportunity. And at the end of the day, we do have a really important opportunity here to take advantage of this grant, as we've done before in the past. And I like the idea of a sidewalk sweeper. I think it could beautify the downtown area and even better on the Vine Trail. So I would cast my vote in the sidewalk sweeper.

Okay, very good.

Vice Mayor? I concur. You're the grant getter, go get them.

Okay.

I just have one question. While I was reading the application requirements, one of them says that you have to have a detailed description of the proposed project, including a well-defined scope, purpose. What do you hope to achieve in a specific endpoint? What the project will look like? So you had any specific project that you want to, if you apply for this grant, you have something on mind already.

yeah i you know typically what we would do is um like with the equipment purchased with the street sweeper application um you know we had to basically describe how we were gonna um you know use that equipment to you know clean the community right i mean it obviously it picks up a lot of leaves it cleans streets but it also cleans trash out of the gutters and things like that that we get to to dispose of properly so So we have to describe like, you know, if we're going to apply for like the sidewalks sweeper, you know, what are we going to be, you know, picking up trash with that device? And yes, the answer would be we will be because we're going to be cleaning the street with that. So are the sidewalks and potentially the vine trail. So, you know, you have to try to justify that, you know, you are picking up waste with the grant money. So we would be able to do that.

Okay.

And the two suggestions that I have that came to me, one was for a mulching lawnmower. And that would be, I think, interesting in the fairgrounds. And what about on the other, like on Logby or the other parks? Is that useful there as well?

Yeah, it could potentially be used there as well, occasionally. We have two mowers now and they're not mulching, so yeah, that could be.

So that's one. And then a number of folks have asked me about the bins for leaf collection in the autumn. and we have had that in the past, and then we haven't had it lately, and I don't know if that's feasible or not in this grant system, and I don't even know how it would work. The great big bins that hold lots of leaves, but that also has come up a number of times, and I have no objection as well to the sidewalk sweeper that the other council members like as well.

Sure. Yeah, we could ask them about the bins. It's probably, you know, maybe, you know, if we get lucky enough, maybe it could work under our JPA where we get a couple dumpsters for a month or something where, you know, we could put them in a couple locations around the community. We'd have to ask them about that, but that could be a possibility. Okay.

PROBABLY IS NOT THAT BIG A COST TO PROVIDE A COUPLE OF BINS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. SEE, DOES THAT GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE, SOME SENSE OF THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST?

Yeah, it sounds like you're all interested in the sidewalk sweeper and the mulching mower. And that's probably about 90,000-ish, somewhere in that range. So we could maybe pick up some, maybe we request some additional three-way bins too, if you're okay with that, and go with that.

Any costs for the city when you apply?

Oh, say that again, I'm sorry.

Any cost to the city when you apply, do we have to come with certain amount?

No, there's no local match. I mean, if we, you know, they could decide, well, we're only gonna give you $80,000, because that's all we feel that's justified, then the city would have to, you know, pay the other 20 if the items were above that. So that would require some contribution from the city.

Okay. Councilman Eisberg?

I just wanted to also endorse with after purchasing the sidewalk sweeper, the three-way bins. I think that would be fine. And the mulching lawn mower. All three of those, because I think would be good purchases as long as we get the sidewalk sweeper first.

And as long as we're talking about this, so we had the three-way bins. Is there a way of measuring the effectiveness of these three-way bins? Do they actually collect three different kinds of refuse? And who checks that? Or who knows about that? I mean, we're spending the money on these bins. Do they really make a difference or does it all go in the same place anyway?

I mean, there's co-mingling of trash. It's dependent upon the public to decide to throw it away properly. I'm not gonna say it's a perfect every time, but at least you're trying to capture some of that compost material separately in the recycle and trying to make an effort, but we don't track the actual quantities.

Okay, any other council comments? Okay, and have we opened it to public comment? Is there public comment on this? Yes, you're welcome to come to the microphone, please.

I am Irina D'Amato, and I have been your resident since 2007, coming here since 1998 with my husband who's passed, General D'Amato Special Forces Rescue Team Vietnam. I have recently taken time to go through the valley and speak with a lot of people that have either vineyards, wineries, or both, people that have orchards, people that have... generated and manufactured various products. Point to that is part of my job that I do together with other colleagues in writing memos directly to Congress on what's needed for the American people. This is not applicable only here. And I was also one of the persons that put together the partnership between CAL FIRE and Coast Guard to assist with fire mitigation and that started with Napa County. I was in San Francisco at the time and then expanded to Butte County where Paradise is and then it was expanded to the whole state of California. Coming to the point of the farming bill that got part of my work and obtained grants from federal government for the small businesses, medium businesses, and including municipalities that are in an agricultural area, there are grants available for equipment and fuel. That's part of what I've introduced in the farming bill. from the federal government and the state of California for the maintenance fire mitigation of areas including municipalities that are in an area where you have agriculture compared to San Francisco you don't have that you have other things over there that we made available on the other hand and I want to make an addition to what people said upon the Lincoln highway 29. The part of the infrastructure support that comes the same state and federal through Caltrans, before you or in the same time you wish to proceed with the developments and everything else, get Caltrans to do their part of maintaining the roads, because I've got them to do that in San Francisco Bay Area, including over the new span of the Bay Bridge that got designed under Obama-Biden administration. at my request on supporting infrastructure and Caltrans was very much involved in that and they did their part of contributing besides charging people for this and that and everything else so the maintenance of the highway it has to be done not only at the local level we have a lot of people going through so get on the heads of the guys to provide you

Thank you for your comments. If you have information that you'd like to share with the city manager, he's right across the street at City Hall. Thank you for the comments then. Any other public comments? And we'll check online.

No comments online.

All righty. That's closed public comment. Bring it back to council members. Any comments here, council members on this? Okay, then let's see, we don't have a motion, but you have some direction, Director Raynor.

Yes, yes, thank you for that tonight.

And that is our task on this item. Very good. Thank you for the discussion, everybody. Let's go to item 8.2. And the subject is Consideration and Direction Regarding Development and Release of a Request for Proposals for Operation and Long-Term Management of the Mount St. Lena Golf Course. And we have Revitalization Director Shelly Wright here with us. Welcome.

Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and council members. What you have before you today is a staff report and a committee report from the Fairgrounds Advisory Committee subcommittee golf course. And Mr. Taylor could not be here today, so he asked me to represent him for his committee report. Basically, what we're asking for is discussion from council and... STAFF DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO THE GOLF COURSE. SO I WON'T GO OVER THE WHOLE STAFF REPORT BECAUSE YOU'VE RECEIVED THAT IN TOTAL. HOWEVER, I WILL JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SUMMARY FROM MR. TAYLOR. THE MOUNT SAINT ALINA GOLF COURSE IS AN IMPORTANT RECREATIONAL AND COMMUNITY ASSET THAT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS, VISITORS, YOUTH PROGRAMS, TOURNAMENTS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS. The FAC recognizes the value of the golf course to the community and the need to ensure its long-term operational sustainability and financial viability. The golf course plays an important role in tourism and transient occupancy tax and revenue generation by providing an additional recreational amenity FOR VISITORS AND LOCALS ALIKE. ADDITIONALLY, THE GOLF COURSE SERVES MOST IMPORTANTLY, AS FAR AS THE CITY GOES, AS AN IMPORTANT BENEFICIAL SITE FOR RECLAIMED WATER, SUPPORTING THE CITY'S BROADER SUSTAINABILITY AND WATER REUSE OBJECTIVES. The FAC recommends that the City Council authorize staff to begin an RFP process to identify qualified operators and our partners who can provide innovative management approaches, operational expertise, and potential investment opportunities for the fairgrounds that support the continued success of the golf course. And that's why we're here today.

Great. Thank you, Director Wright. So this is basically a request to authorize an invitation to potential developers and operators, an invitation to bring proposals to the city, to you, your department. And it doesn't involve decision-making. This does not involve contracting at this time with any particular operator. It just is a gathering of information. Am I correct on that?

Correct, so just trying to get your take on what you would like done with that area of property, the golf course at the fairgrounds. Staff will write the RFP, both myself and I will work with the Public Works Department to ensure that we capture both the needs from Public Works and also the water, reclaimed water use that's on the grounds. We will work with city council to ensure that a generic contract is also attached to that RFP so that anybody who may respond to it will know what the city is asking of them. And then that will be put out and a panel interview will be done to see if there are any interested parties that could feasibly potentially run the golf course.

So, and there's no way of predicting there may be many interested parties and there may be no interested parties.

Correct. Both the Fairgrounds Advisory Committee, myself, and different council members have met with different golf course operators over the last two years, the FAC most recently. There are several operators who are interested, but you never know who's going to actually really respond to an RFP. until you put it out there.

Council members, are there any clarifying questions, first of all, on this item?

Yes. Will be any costs to the city for doing this?

For doing the RFP? There will be some legal costs because they will need to look at things and the contract. And of course, staff time.

So just a quick question here. I think given that the fairgrounds master plan is still under development, and there still seem to be a lot of unresolved questions, what is the advantage of moving directly into an rfp rather than first moving to an rfi which sounds like you have done some of that but i think that would help us to better understand the market interest um what different operational models you know as we even saw from the presentation that was given um by the chair a couple of weeks ago and and what really the potential opportunities are before establishing a formal proposal request through that RFP. So I'm just curious why we're going directly to the RFP versus an RFI first.

So the golf course subcommittee during the last time that this was on their agenda felt like they had met with multiple operators and they were ready to move it forward to council here to request direction and the potential for an RFP.

Other council members? Okay, let's open to the public, public comment. Mr. Pavitt, welcome.

Hi, Shane Pavitt, Fairgrounds Advisory Committee. The council charged us with getting input from the public, something we have been doing now for a year. And overwhelmingly there has been support by the community probably more so than any other aspect as far as attendance at the meetings to move forward with the golf course. All this will do is will arm you with the ability to evaluate the costs associated with it and whether you want to tackle that on as a city or you'd rather de-risk any sort of financial obligation associated with the golf course. And that's what's going to give you that information. An RFI I don't think does that. The proposal would.

Thank you. Yes, Ms. Poggi, welcome.

Thank you. Lori Poggi. I reside at 30 Rosedale Road, and perhaps most notably, I am not a golfer, but I'm here in support of the golf course. I think what sits at the fairgrounds today is not simply a golf course looking for an operator. It is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to create recreational, economic, and a community asset unlike anything we have in Napa Valley today. One that serves residents, attracts visitors, preserves open space, and becomes a source of pride for Calistoga. So the question before us right now should not be who will operate a golf course. The question should be, what can this golf course become today? I urge you not to rush into an RFP process for golf course operations before first establishing a clear vision for what the golf course can become. Because once an RFP defines a project, it begins to define an outcome. So at the last fairground advisory committee meeting, much of the discussion appeared to start with the assumption that the golf course should adapt to other fairground uses. Those uses are good, they're fun, they can absolutely coexist, but we need to consider financial viability of the course. So what I suggest is something opposite. Before we decide how much golf there should be, where golf fits, or what role it should play, we should first understand the highest and best potential of the golf course itself. Then we can determine how other uses can complement and strengthen that vision, working together. Otherwise, we also risk limiting our thinking before we fully explored the opportunity that is in front of us, that being the golf course. So across the country, communities are reimagining golf, short courses, walkable golf, beginner friendly formats, social gathering, community oriented recreation, courses that are open year round. That's where the industry is heading nationally. Calistoga is uniquely positioned to create something authentic that fits its character and its history and is where the nation is going. A place people will want to talk about, visit, and return to. And the key is we don't have to start from scratch. We can learn from places like Golden Gate Park Golf Course. I would encourage people to Google that, look it up, take a drive out there. The Hay and Pebble Beach is different, but it's also something to consider. and other innovative public facilities that have successfully combined recreation, community gathering spaces, youth programs, environmental stewardship, and tourism. So in conclusion, before issuing an RFP, I would encourage the council to engage a broader range of voices, experienced Gulf architects, innovative operators, nonprofit models and leaders who have successfully transformed similar facilities. Let them help us understand what's possible before we decide what to ask for. If we do that, we don't simply reopen a golf course, we will create a destination-worthy community asset that is uniquely Calistoga and an economic driver of business here.

Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Poggi. Yes, Ms. Houck.

Hey there. Most of you know me. I'm Sally Houck. I've been born and raised here, left for 40 years, came back, and started playing golf when I was 50. What this golf course can do is be open to everyone. this community, the tourists, the casual traveler. I think we're overcomplicating things. The golf course, I believe, should be a golf course, not an attraction, not a putt-putt, not a whatever they come up with. Something that we can do as a community and also go in and invite other golf clubs to come in and play with us at tournaments. And that's what a tournament is, is on a regulation golf course. And that's what Calistoga has right now, at least in the format that it is in. That doesn't mean it can't change and become more interesting and more challenging, but I think we're overcomplicating this. And let's get something going that we can get our kids involved with. There are programs out there that will come and help kids learn to play golf we could do that with a golf pro whatever but i do encourage that we get this going this can go on we're dragging this whole thing on forever and ever and ever and i think this would be a good first step to get people here to play golf thank you thank you miss huck yes mr williams

Charlotte Williams, 59 View Road. I think also very important to consider is the essential use of the fairgrounds during the 2015 fires in Lake County and subsequent use of the fairgrounds by CAL FIRE as a staging area. It was, I think, essential, and we should keep that enjoyment. Let's hope there's always more pleasure, enjoyment, fun at the golf course. But when it comes to critical needs like that, let's remember that was a tent city. at least twice, and let's make sure that it's usable that way in the case of catastrophes, that it would serve the public. We need to think about serving the public, not just for fun, but for safety needs, too. Thank you.

Thank you.

Gary Abreu, 1720 Renard Lane. First off, I'm gonna clap one more time, because the survey got done, and the survey said that golf was the top two things on that survey that this city paid a lot of money to have.

Golf was one of the priorities.

as well as the other enterprises that went on. So I will say first that I know for a fact, I have the contract, that the county got the first 12,000 cubic feet of water a day at the fairgrounds. That's what the reclaimed water is. First 12,000 cubic feet. So therefore, I've said it many times, that place should look like the White House lawn, unless you're making a lot more money selling it to development. But we should have priority. It should be there. That's where it should be used. The second thing. The past CEO, the past fair manager before the last CEO, I talked to Mike a couple months back. Mike Kenney was the manager for about 20 years here. The golf course alone brought in roughly, sometimes more, sometimes a little less, 250 grand a year. That's what it brought in, just the golf course working. It can make money. It can make money. Mike had four weddings out on that property. He said it's an asset, especially for reclaimed water. I've been golfing since I was 40, Sally. I started a little before you. That course was rated by the NCGA. with the Ladies Golf Club hosted them. To be a rated course means that people purposely come to visit a place where a course is rated. I play in Yonville every Thursday. I play on Sundays in Yonville. Yonville's always busy. They got a little grill, just voted the best grill in Napa Valley. I mean, the potential is there, but it's more important to realize that you're allowing all this huge development, especially for resorts. And guys like to golf. They want to come. They'll come here and golf. Ladies like to golf. So I feel like, once again, the survey is what we talked about. We had to keep hearing, the survey's not done, the survey's not done. Now it's like, oh, you need an RFI, not an RFP. Let it go. Let's move forward. You've got to allow yourselves to make some money so that you can do the next phase. A huge development plan here, like the master plan that was $100,000, it went nowhere. And I sat on the fair board then. It would have had 20 years of fruition. Let's get going on it. Let people enjoy it. I wanna be the golf coach at Kalisoga High. Let's do it.

Thank you, Ms. Abreu. Is there any additional public comment? Yes, Ms. Yant.

Since the fairgrounds was purchased under historical, our golf course is probably the oldest golf course, public golf course, in Napa County. Etna Springs was before it. It was a resort. Napa Country Club was a country club. And then came ours. If we purchased on historical, it has been a great asset to this community, and as Kerry said, it makes money. It is a weather-dependent course, just like a lot of things, but there's plenty of people who come to the resorts. The women tend to go to the resorts for their treatments. The men like to go play golf. And it's a win-win. It is... essential for so many different things. The high school had a golf team right after the course was started, opened, and it was named Mount St. Lena by two businessmen in St. Lena who used to argue over who could get the number one card for the men's club. They wanted to be the first one to pay their dues to have that number one card. So if we're pulling in people from St. Lena, and always have, I think it's an asset, and Frank DeFede did a great job of reestablishing the golf team for the high school. I think it's an asset for our kids, for grandparents, for parents. He also in Parks and Rec had golf camp during the summer for the little kids. My kids did it when they were six, seven years old. So that needs to be considered. The city could actually partake in opening up their park and rec to not just swimming but also golf. And he had a tennis camp as well. And those are things that I'm not really seeing, but I haven't looked at their program lately. So I think the golf course is extremely important to the vitality of the city for emergencies and for visitors and for locals of all ages.

Thank you, Ms. Yant. Would anybody else like to offer a public comment? And we'll check online. none online nobody online and any other public comment we only have one chance that yeah Okay, I'll close any other public comment. All right, let's close public comment then and bring it back to council Council members. I'll tell you I'm very much in support of this proposition for a number of reasons The I've talked to some of the golf developers and operators people who would be interested in and their picture is big and broad. We use golf as a single term to include a lot of potential activities. They're talking about community cohesion. They're talking about bigger pictures than just the golf itself, golf certainly, but they're talking beyond that, and they are mindful of the community. Some of them are local. So it's golf, but it also is beyond golf. It's a bigger picture than that. The RFP, I think, can be broad. It's not limiting. It can allow people to allow operators and developers to offer us their ideas, which are going to be beyond what I or maybe us, we will be thinking of. But these people we've talked to who may or may not apply, but others will, And their ideas are big. They're interested in making it work for us, that is, to make money for the city, to make money for themselves, repay themselves. And so talking to them, it's very exciting what they will bring, assuming that they finally are actually interested. Fairgrounds director says you know, maybe nobody will but I am pretty sure they're going to they are interested and they're eager in some cases to Come and participate in golf and bring golf along here. I think it's time to do it as has been mentioned the survey says do it at the meetings that we go to the fairground advisory committee meetings and SPEAKER AFTER SPEAKER, MEETING AFTER MEETING, HAS SAID COME AND GET THE GOLF COURSE GOING. AND WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE GOLF COURSE GOING. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT GATHERING INFORMATION. SO IT'S NOT A COMMITMENT TO GOLF, ALTHOUGH THERE'S CERTAINLY INTEREST IN THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST GATHERING INFORMATION. WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO OFFER? AND I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE GOING TO OFFER SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS AND ENHANCEMENTS FOR THIS COURSE. THE SPEAKERS HAVE SAID WE HAVE LETTERS TONIGHT. okay on our on our public comment we have speakers tonight so I really think this needs to be done and we're really essentially looking for information we're not going to be worse off we're going to be better off when we have the kind of information that the golf RFPs bring in other council members

Well, I'd say that the members of the community have approached me has been resounding support for it. And it's exciting to get to this to this point. It's a RFP keyword proposal, I'd be very interested in seeing what proposals are brought to us, like you said, not just golfing, but expand upon the ideas. And I'm sure it would be collaborative with the overall general plan. But that you know what a third of the of the entire fairground property is a golf course. And if it's been the first golf course in the Napa Valley, I think it should be brought back to life. I think now is the time. I don't see any reason to slow it down. Let's bring it on. Other council members?

I completely agree. We should keep moving, and this is one more step.

Thank you. Yes.

It's apparent that we continue to progress towards the major items that the survey and I did enjoy the survey that the survey suggested or the survey demanded that we pursue and i think that the golf course is inevitable based on the number of people in the survey who wanted a golf course as well as the outpouring of the community right now it's this is somewhat forced me to re-evaluate where i was my previous position which is no permanent construction until after we had an overall plan. But I don't think that's possible at this point. I'm very realistic about that. The people want a golf course. Let's see if we can provide a golf course. I do appreciate Mayor Williams talking about an expansive RFP that would allow innovative ideas as Ms. Poggi was talking about. So yes, however, staff, the Fairgrounds Committee can work out an inquiry or an RFP even that is open-ended, that would be great, and find something that will work to the benefit of the community. But I have one more thing to add, and that was the one piece That was on the survey that generated a very very large number of positive comments that it was desirous by the community that we haven't yet done and that is Park space. A place for families to go it wouldn't make money. But with the the 6 the I hope for success with the rest of the fairgrounds. I think that we should be cognizant of what the survey asked for. And the last piece was, the last major piece, park space, a place for strolling, a place for meditating, a place for families and kids just to go. Thank you.

Thank you. I'll make a motion that we.

I have a comment. Yes. Thanks. Yeah, so. Yes, Vice Mayor. As a golfer, I selfishly would love to see it back. I certainly miss my days of walking over there and playing nine holes at Twilight. I mean, just this last week, I had to drive all the way out to Guerneville, and while it's an Alistair McKenzie course, and I never mind playing it, it is a schlep to get out there and play Northwood. So it would be absolutely wonderful having it back. If we feel that... our committee is coming to us with the information. We've given them a task. If they feel like they have enough information from the vendors that they've already interviewed that an RFI is unnecessary and we can move forward with an RFP, great. And obviously we don't have to accept any RFP that is put in front of us that wouldn't meet our community's needs, but it's also, As we move forward, something that we definitely should be considering is the amount of extensive work and overall capital that's going to be needed to bring the golf course up to where it is. And that certainly will require, if we're using a third party vendor, something more than a 25 year lease agreement. So as we move forward, these are all things that we have to consider. and I look forward to seeing what can be brought forward in front of us and dreaming of the day of having that golf course back. So thank you.

To that last point, good point. At least one of the developers is able, said that he could, of course it's only talk, but said that he was able to work with that 25 year constraint. However, I'm also talking, there's discussion between the county and the city about lifting that restraint.

That's wonderful. And so good to know.

So it's a that is being worked on.

Wonderful. I will make a motion that we let's see that we authorize staff to develop and release an RFP relating to the golf course incorporating some of the ideas that we've talked about here tonight as well and the public has offered. I'll make that motion.

I'll second.

Thank you, appreciate that. Motion by myself, second by Vice Mayor. Let's take a roll call, please.

Councilmember Eisenberg. Aye. Councilmember Cooper. Aye. Councilmember Lopez Ortega. Aye. Vice Mayor Gift.

Aye.

Mayor Williams. Aye. Thank you council and thank you everybody for staying this long. I know it's a longer evening tonight. I appreciate your waiting for this. Thank you. Fairgrounds Revitalization Director.

Mayor Williams. As per our civic operating agreements our meeting will automatically adjourn at 9 p.m. unless we have a vote to extend that time to 930.

yes we have a few minutes here let's see we have only council reports remaining council members I think we can there's one more item after this it happened however that's the corporation meeting and so see we'll finish the meeting before nine o'clock do we need them approval no it doesn't apply for the second meeting Do we need approval to go to the second meeting after 9? No. So all we're going to do is finish this meeting within five minutes, and we'll be OK, and then we'll proceed to the other meeting. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. Council reports. Councilman Cooper.

I attended the Valley Waste Management Association meeting on Monday, and guess what? Rates are going up. Not much, but the trend is upward as always. Other than that, everything's stable. Clover Flat closure is moving forward. Slower pace than expected. A lot of logistics to get out of the way. So probably the next year and a half or two years it will be officially closed. But get ready for higher rates.

Thank you. Vice Mayor.

I am going to speed this up and not report anything tonight.

Thank you. Councilman Eisenberg.

Okay.

I attended the NVTA meeting on June 17th. And as the city manager said, Calistoga's TDA3 grant application was the top one selected by NVTA to be sent on. And that's to help finance the design of the Oak Street Bridge, which would be a wonderful improvement. Just a small piece of information, Bottle Rock generated 8,000 free bus trips in Napa County to and from Bottle Rock, and I was on those buses. Not all 8,000. And lastly, a survey of Bicycle friendliness rated Calistoga 12th in all of California with a 94th percentile rating. I was a little surprised, but gratified to hear. Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman Eisberg. Yes.

The only thing I have to say is that yesterday, Mayor Williams and myself, we hosted the Napa County Commission on Aging meeting. All the commissioners were here and also representatives from the community organizations that provide services for So it was a lot of great information, resources that seniors can reach out to. So that's it.

Thank you, and building on Councilwoman Eisenberg's, Councilwoman Lopez Ortega's report, excuse me. I also attended that commission on aging, and my takeaway is that there are far more resources available for seniors than ever I was aware of, and so the commission on aging is a large, RESERVOIR OF INFORMATION AND SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED. AND WITH THAT, COUNCILMEMBERS, LET'S ADJOURN OUR MEETING AT LOOKS LIKE 855. THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US SO FAR AND WE'RE GOING TO ROLL RIGHT INTO OUR CALIFORNIA PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION MEETING. LET'S SEE, WE'RE GOING TO, CITY CLERK, ARE YOU READY FOR THIS?

OK. We could have had five more minutes of the regular meeting.

We're going to call the meeting to order. This is a meeting, again, at the Calistoga Public Facilities Corporation. The date is June 23. The hour is five minutes before 9 o'clock. And may we have a roll call, please?

Board member Cooper? Present. Board member Eisenberg? Present. Board member Lopez-Ortega? Present. Vice chairman Gift?

Present.

Chairman Williams.

Present. Thank you. There is oral communication available. This time is set aside to receive comments from the public regarding the item on the agenda. Pursuant to the Brown Act, the council cannot consider any issues or take action on any requests not on the agenda. Speakers are encouraged to limit their comments to three minutes. We have a single item on the agenda Is there anybody here tonight? And we'll check online as well who would like to offer a comment on this item for the public facilities corporation Not seeing anyone, so let's see. Anybody online? Nobody online. Let's close public comment, and then we're going to go to the one item. Let's see, is there any report at all? City Manager, any comments you have to make for us on this?

I do. I have to present the annual report, the debt schedule for 2027. So when you're ready, I will walk us through that.

Please do.

CITY COURT, CAN YOU ADVISE IF THE FINANCE DIRECTOR IS ONLINE AS A PANELIST?

I WAS CONFUSED. I DIDN'T SEE FINANCE DIRECTOR HERE. YES. CONNIE, CAN YOU HEAR US?

YES.

OKAY.

GREAT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO GUIDE US THROUGH THIS AND THEN FINANCE

a second.

Okay. Finance Director Connie Cardenas will answer any questions you might have. So I'll present the staff report, and then she can answer any questions you might have regarding the attached financial.

All right. Thank you.

Okay. So briefly, as you all know, in 1987, the city created the Calisoga Public Facilities Corporation. that was created for considerable investments and purchases that were made over the years. A number of purchases and investments were made and decisions were made for this event. And every year we have to give the annual report as far as the debt schedule that we are making progress for reducing that debt based on these investments. You will find on the last page the actual debt schedule for fiscal year 26-27. And if you go down to the bottom where it says grand total you'll see that the original ish issued amount was 22 million one hundred fifty thousand four hundred thirteen dollars. The balance on July 1st 2026 is going to be 8 million one hundred fifty five thousand nine hundred ten dollars. It is projected that for 2027. 26-27, we will pay $1,058,157. That's going to leave a balance, a principal budget, principal balance budget as of 6-30-27 with $7,338,852. That's the summary for the debt schedule. And so if you have any schedules with the report, I will refer to FINANCE DIRECTOR CORDENAS TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS.

THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THAT $1 MILLION, $1,058,000 PAYMENT THAT WILL BE MADE BETWEEN JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR AND JUNE 30TH OF NEXT YEAR, DOES THAT SHOW IN THE BUDGET THAT WE JUST ADOPTED OR IS THAT ON A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE?

Yes, all of this debt is part of the budget. The only one that affects the general fund is the last one that has a balance of $247,000 at the end of June 2027. That is the one that affects the general fund. The other three are water and wastewater enterprise funds. The good news, I think I did point this out last year, we're getting closer into paying off the general fund, which would be February 2028, so about a year and a half, a year and eight months.

I see. Thank you. So the payments for the wastewater fund and the water fund come out of the rates? That is correct.

Yeah.

Okay. Other questions or comments, council members?

All right.

No. Then I will, let's see, I will recommend that we receive and file this report. I'll move that we receive it and file it.

I'll second.

Thank you. We have a motion by myself, a second by Chairwoman Gift. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? It passes. Thank you. And that is the only item on the meeting. So let us consider the meeting adjourned. Thank you, directors. Good night.