Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I'd like to call the Planning Commission meeting of September 10th, 2026 to order. Commissioner Maldonado, will you lead us in the pledge? Okay, Mr. Beckman, please call the roll. Thank you, Chair. Good evening.

Let's start with Commissioner Vasquez. Present. Thank you. Commissioner Benson.

Present.

Thank you. Commissioner Maldonado.

Here.

Thank you. Commissioner Vejar.

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Thank you. Commissioner McCormick.

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Thank you. Vice Chair Tucker.

Here.

Thank you. And Chair Leslie. Here. Thank you.

With all members present, we have a quorum. Very good. PUBLIC COMMENTS. AT THIS TIME, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON MATTERS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, WHICH ARE WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION, PROVIDED THAT NO ACTION MAY BE TAKEN ON OFF-AGENDA ITEMS UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY LAW. PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE RECEIVED REQUESTS TO SPEAK TONIGHT, STARTING WITH, I BELIEVE, THE FIRST SPEAKER IS BETSY MCKENNY. MCKENNY, I APOLOGIZE.

Yes, hi. Thank you. Thanks for the opportunity to speak tonight. And thank you for your service on this committee. I'm sure it's a lot of very detailed work. And I'll keep my comments short, because I'm probably standing in the way of watching the LA Rams game, or maybe even the Chargers game, and maybe both. So I live near the proposed warehouse at 2411 North Glassell Street. And I'm here in solidarity with many families who you'll hear from tonight in the neighborhood to speak against this project. According to the warehouse city database that's maintained by the Redford Institute and Pitzer College, there are nine operational warehouses in the city of Orange. Only two of them are bigger than the one that's proposed, and none of them are adjacent to a residential neighborhood. Existing warehouses appear to have easy access to the 57 freeway rather than passing by residential areas with lots of family homes. So we feel that this new proposal puts a completely unfair burden on hundreds of families living near North Glassell, both east and west side of Glassell. There's 38 truck bays that are in the proposal, 38. Apparently, they're only going to use three at a time. That's how it was modeled in terms of the environmental report. But there would be a projected 810 additional trips down Glassell Street per day. So the city's mitigated negative report showed an estimated cancer risk that exceeds regional standards, but then cynically offered a little tweak during the construction phase that sort of makes some assumptions that need to be justified that nudges that estimated impact, cancer impact, just below the threshold. That's without a full environmental impact report. So I think the neighbors, especially since this is a really completely different kind of project than what's existing in that parcel, that property now, a completely different project than it's in any adjacent to any residential neighborhood, that at a minimum we demand a full environmental impact report with realistic assumptions sort of built into those models. Thank you.

Thank you for those comments, Betsy. Next, we have Kevin New.

Good evening, chair and commissioners. My name is Kevin New. I live in the neighborhood that Betsy lives in also. I'm here speaking tonight on the 2411 North Glassell. I know it's on the agenda tonight, and it will be. I'm here now because I want you to have something in mind before it is. I have two boys, one five and one two years old. They spend every hour they can outside in our yard, on our street, and at the park. They don't know what a mitigated negative declaration is. They just breathe. So here is what this project puts on our street by the applicant's own numbers. a large amount of diesel trucks going by our neighborhood, most of those big four axle rigs. The city's own health study modeled those trucks running 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, and the traffic studies send 60% of that traffic north on Glassell, right past the corner of Fletcher Avenue where families live. And the building those trucks are driving to and from sits 54 feet from the nearest home. That matters because of what we already know about diesel in children's lungs. USC Children's Health Study, the largest of its kind... in the country followed thousands of Southern California kids for years. The children lived near heavy traffic, had immeasurably reduced lung function by age 18. Not just kids with asthma, healthy kids. And because their lungs were still growing, that damage doesn't go away. The pollutants USC pointed to, diesel, exhaust, nitrogen dioxide, element carbon, are exactly what large amount of diesel truck trips a day put into the air my sons breathe. The city's own consultants already ran the numbers. Combined cancer risk at the nearest home, 10.07 in a million. The threshold is 10. The only mitigation offered is cleaner construction equipment, nothing for the trucks that will run for as long as the building stands. And Fletcher Academy is a quarter mile away. Hundreds of kids breathe the same air every day. One more thing, on January 1st this year, a new state law, AB 98, took effect. It says a warehouse this size has to keep its truck docks at least 300 feet from homes and keep heavy diesel truck aisles off the side of the building that face homes. The building is 54 feet from homes. The environmental document for this product doesn't mention AB 98 once. When it reaches you, I'd ask you to ask why. I'm not here as an expert. I'm here as a dad whose kids will grow up breathing whatever this commission eventually might approve. So when this project comes before you, I'm asking you to require a full environmental impact report before it moves one step further. My boys are five and two. Their lungs are still growing. We don't get to redo this. Thank you.

Thank you, Kevin, for your comments. Next up, we have Deborah Wayland.

Hello. I'm also here on the 2411 North Glassell Street. I'm here to formally oppose this project. The question isn't whether a warehouse is allowed here. The question is whether a nearly 300,000 square foot 36 dock logistics facility operating 24 hours a day, seven days a week, is appropriate directly next to established residential neighborhoods. I'm not opposed to reasonable development. I am, however, opposed to development that comes at the expense of the character, safety, health, and quality of life of the people who already call Orange home. Please preserve what makes Orange special and retain our small-town appeal, the charm, and the characteristics. and not become another Inland Empire style logistics hub. I'm asking you to look beyond what can technically be permitted and consider what is appropriate for the community and what we're trying to preserve. Thank you.

Thank you for those comments, Deborah. Next up, we have Dan Wayland.

Surprise, surprise, I'm here to speak against the facility as well. My wife and I have lived in the neighborhood directly north of that facility, that location, for 28 years. And when we were looking to buy, we noticed the facility, and we considered that deeply when we were making our decision. At the time, it was a quiet office building, and we thought through that, and we figured they're doing their work while we're off at work doing our work. They're coming in at normal morning hours. They're leaving in normal evening hours. They're coming and going in normal passenger cars. To change that to a facility that's going to run 24 hours a day, seven days a week, using large semi rigs is a massive change to the quality of life to anybody who lives near that facility. I wouldn't buy a home in a neighborhood next to a trucking facility, and I suspect that none of you would either. There are rules that prevent me or my neighbors from making noise all day and all night, and I believe those rules should extend to any businesses that immediately border housing communities. Those businesses should be required to be good neighbors. I respectfully urge the Planning Commission to deny the project and to also implement regulations to safeguard the community by limiting any future development to projects that are similar to the existing business use. I hope that you will listen to the residents of Orange and choose the interests of the people of Orange over the interests of a corporation. Thank you.

Thank you for those comments, Dan. Next up, we have Eric Knapp.

Hi, my name's Eric, and I, as of a couple weeks ago, former DJ at the Holiday Skate Center, and I'm here in opposition to redistricting that area for housing, and I have a lot of years of experience in roller skating. I've done it for over 50 years. I've seen all aspects of it, and Holiday Skate Center, as we know, it's been in existence for 53 years, and the door's closed recently, and It's hard to quantify what it really means to the community. The very last night that I worked was a Tuesday night, flashback night, with the largest crowd that we ever had on a Tuesday night, over 400 people. And everyone came to show their support and their love for skating in general. People I hadn't seen in a long time showed up. And we're running out of places for our kids and our families to go to. My son used to race out at Orange Y BMX years ago before that was closed down. That should have been something that kept going, but unfortunately no longer exists. Holly's Skate Center is another one of those companies that's now disappearing. So we're asking that you please not rezone that area. Have our families, give our families the opportunity to have a place to go to. It's safe. It's good for your health. Good for meeting people. As a DJ, it's funny. When you DJ, it's very simple. You get up and you make music and you make people happy and you make them laugh. And you basically take away all their fears and everything that's happened to them on the outside world and you just... give them an opportunity to just cut loose and just relax and get away from all that, to shut away the outside world. As we know, you know, the day before 9-11, a 25 year anniversary, you know, we live in a lot of fear, a lot less places for our kids to go to, to enjoy that it's safe. And if you rezone this for housing, that's one less place we have to go. I grew up in Orange County. When I first started skating back in the 70s and 80s, we had over 10 rinks here in Orange County. Now we're down to one. if Holiday is allowed to exist, and we'll be back at two again. And we need more of these places, not less. We have lots of housing, and I understand that it's always important to get that. We have people moving in all the time, but a place like Holiday is very important to the community. And I can share a thousand stories. And I'd love to share all the stories that I've ever learned over the years. So my favorite groups were right here from Chapman University. I'd have a group that would come in probably once every six months. And I'd put a song at the end of the night, Journey, Don't Stop Believing. And all these kids would run out to the floor, socks, skates, lay down on the ground. And when I'd drop the music low, they would start singing the song. And, you know, it's moments like that that... that I really cling to and like to be able to pass on to other generations moving forward. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Eric. Appreciate those comments.

Next up, we have Justin Smith.

Good evening, Planning Commission. I'm also here to speak about the Rexford Warehouse project at 2411 North Glassell. I've lived in the adjacent neighborhood for over four years. Every single day I walk or drive past the warehouse, or where it will be. Other neighbors have spoken tonight and have submitted e-comments and many more I'm sure will speak. And they've talked about risks and issues with the reports. Something I want to talk about that I haven't seen addressed in all these conversations is disaster. Just this past summer, GKN Aerospace had its chemical leak in Garden Grove. At the Fullerton Airport, there was a warehouse fire. And in the Boyle Heights neighborhood of Los Angeles, the Lineage frozen food warehouse burned for five days. And after it was done burning, it was left with the putrid smell of rotting food for two months. When Rexford had their community meeting with us, A few months ago, they told us that all of our concerns should be allayed because they're gonna get a high quality tenant. That's a pretty nebulous statement, right? What constitutes a high quality tenant? Lineage is the largest cold storage warehouse company in the world. If that doesn't count as high quality, I don't know what is. Furthermore, I'd assume that this warehouse that burned must have been an old, derelict facility, maybe been there 50 years. Turns out it opened in 2018, and it had previously burned in 2024. In Lineage's 14-year history as a company, they have admitted to 34 building fires. So are we ready for a scenario where Orange is known as the city with a big warehouse that burned? Given the track record of facilities in Southern California and these companies that operate them, I don't think that hypothetical is impossible. So I just ask, don't let this warehouse be built. Don't let it blight our neighborhood and introduce that real risk of catastrophe. I, of course, ask that you reject it outright, but at the very least, have a full environmental report and please take it seriously. Thank you.

Thank you, Justin, for those comments. We appreciate that. Our next speaker is Faith Shimono.

Hi. I'm here to oppose the rezoning of Holiday Skating Rink. I have skated there since I was 11 years old. I'm a die hard love of skating. I was an artistic skater for many years, a lot of years, came back to it, artistic skating again. And over the last probably 20 years, I've gone to that place almost every Tuesday night with the people you see back here and with Eric. We all love that place, and I'm sure you're tired of hearing that, but we really, really do. And I just look at that piece of land, and I hear all these people talking tonight, and I can't imagine putting houses there. It's right against the freeway. And just as all these people are talking about environmental things, I feel like whoever moves there is going to have all those issues also. Anyhow, I really miss my rink. I really miss going there every Tuesday night. I... I just miss it so much. Anyway, please just reconsider rezoning that piece of property and giving us our our rank back. Thank you so much.

Thank you Faith for those comments. Our next speaker is Gloria Ranallo.

Good evening. My name is Gloria Ranallo, and I'm a resident here in Orange. And I'm here to oppose the large Rexford warehouse that is going to be built. We live across the street from there. Literally, I look out my dining room table and I see the building, which has never been a problem because there's big trees and there's no Like the other speaker said, there's really hardly any traffic during the evening. We lived there for over 32 years. My husband and I raised our children, two boys there. They're adults now. And when we heard about this project being built, immediately I thought, well, OK, that's fine. build something, let's hear it out. But it just, the more we, when we went to, we went to all the meetings. First it was this little building, maybe three bays, then it turned to six bays, and then it turned to massive. And then I thought, then I panicked. I said, oh no, I'm gonna have to buy an air purifier, and I'm gonna have to close all my windows and doors because As it is now, we're in a zone that you can hear the diesel trucks going by. And it gets louder every year. It gets more and more. And you can hear them honking because they're going to run the light. So they honk to let you know they're coming full force. And so they do this warning honk. And I thought, oh, my gosh, you know, it's bad as it is. And we knew that there was, you know, commercial around there. We knew. We see it. but then this added to the existing situation seems overwhelming and it's, it is overwhelming. So, you know, we are, our community is, is very united and all our neighbors, you know, we have block parties, we, we do 4th of July functions and we have a, A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH COMMUNITY. WE'RE VERY UNITED. I MEAN, WE'RE INVESTED IN ORANGE. SO WE ARE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE THE OUTSKIRDS, LIKE STEPCHILD, WE'RE ON THE OUTSIDE. SO NOBODY REALLY CARES, NO ONE CARES, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST NOT SEEN. BUT WE ARE. WE ARE INVESTED IN THE STATE, IN THE CITY. AND WE LOVE OUR POLICE. WE LOVE OUR FIRE. I'M A FORMER FIRE EMPLOYEE. AND THEN, I volunteer for Casa Teresa. now that it won't work for fire. But I mean, we're invested. We're all invested. If you had seen the amount of people that showed up to the open house, the Rexford open house, it was over 150 people. And I felt so proud that our community was so united.

Sorry, we're over the three-minute limit.

I'm sorry. So anyway, I thank you for your time. And I just wanted to say that.

Thank you for your comments, Gloria. We appreciate it. Thank you. Our next speaker is Christina Martinez.

Good evening. My name's Christina. I'm a homeowner, a stakeholder, and a deeply concerned neighbor here in Orange. I'm here tonight to talk about the Rexford 2411 Go Sell proposed project. I brought a visual for you tonight. Look at it closely. I want you to look at the homes less than 100 feet from this proposed project. I want you to picture the children at the elementary school just a quarter mile away. Now imagine dropping a 300,000 square foot behemoth right in the heart of their lives. Rexford is proposing a monstrous nonstop 24 hours, seven days a week industrial trucking warehouse at 2411 Glassell. We are talking about 36 massive loading docks breathing toxic fumes into our air. We are talking about over 800 heavy-duty diesel trucks tearing through our streets every single day. Have you actually stood on the pavement out there? Have you measured the distance between a rumbling semi truck and a child's playground? Because if you had, you'd feel the same outrage that brought me here tonight. Tell me, honestly, is this where you would buy a home? Is this the air you would want your children to breathe while they're trying to learn? We all know the answer. You cannot blindly sign away the health, safety, and future of our neighborhood when you don't even know the true, catastrophic impact this project will have on our environment. I'm not here to politely ask. I'm here on behalf of my community to demand a full, comprehensive environmental impact report before another single step is taken. Our families are not collateral damage for a developer's profit. Our community deserves protection. Our city deserves better. Do the right thing.

Thank you for your comments, Christina. We appreciate those. Liam Martinez, you're up.

Hello, I am Liam. I am a child who lives off Glassell. I'm worried about the kids that lives off Fletcher Avenue and the kids near Glassell, but most importantly about the kids at Fletcher Academy. You really think that releasing a ton of dangerous fumes in front of children that play on a playground at the school is a good idea? Lawsuits. Children will get sick and a lot of other people, so you'll get lawsuits complaining that they are sick and are hurt. Dangerous fumes in the air contain chemicals that might harm or kill people. Unsafe roads. The trucks will bang on the roads due to the tires and make the roads bumpy. More accidents might occur because of this, leading to more lawsuits like I just explained. It will be extremely loud because rolling down the streets, 45 miles per hour, 24 hours a day, will cause a ton of noise for the people trying to sleep. Again, it will be hard to sleep. The noise will make it hard to sleep, causing sleep deprivation. Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Liam, for those comments, and I would encourage you to be civically engaged your whole life. That's a very brave thing you did, young man. Thank you. Next up we have Kai Ming Kor.

Yes, good job. Good evening Planning Commissioners. Thank you for having us and for making the time to hear us tonight. I was close to bringing a kid. I was gonna bring my fur baby, but I didn't think that would be allowed here tonight. But I just wanted to appeal to the emotional side. I don't have all the facts that all of my neighbors have shared, but I'm here to oppose the warehouse on 2411 North Glassell. I walk with my dog twice a day, every day and we enjoy the area and all of this pollution would really put a detriment on that. My husband also has asthma so just having that kind of pollutant would really affect us. I had a chance to work on a cadaver when I was in school and we opened him up and he had black lung and they called it black lung from all the pollutants that we are exposed to here And the last thing we want to do is have the same thing affect our community and for us to have black lung as well. In addition, I think there would be significant noise pollution and traffic congestion. And we enjoy the neighborhood. We love this area. And we wouldn't trade it for the world. And the community, we're all very close. We know each other by name, by dogs' names. and so we really appreciate how the neighborhood is and i think this would really put a really huge detriment on onto our community so thank you for seriously considering all of our comments and putting an opposition to this thank you thank you for those comments our next speaker is david stevens

Good evening. I've lived in this neighborhood for 40 years and I think that we would really need to get a full environmental impact report because I think that the CEQA initial study mitigated negative declaration overlooked several points and also missed some of the points using data that was kind of not fitting the situation. For example, a weather station that was eight miles away in Fullerton instead of the one that's one mile away north of the facility. Anyway, I think the initial study mitigated negative declaration fails to disclose or mitigate several significant impacts. Traffic and diesel exposure. The site forces 100% of the trucks to turn onto Fletcher and Glassell, concentrating hundreds of heavy diesel trucks per day at the Glassell-Fletcher intersection, less than 100 feet from homes. Air quality and health. A continuous diesel idling and acceleration adjacent to the residence is not adequately analyzed in the health risk assessment appendix B. So this requires an environmental impact report level review. From living in this neighborhood for 40 years, I know that almost every evening we get a breeze coming up from the ocean, going from south to north, and it blows fresh air into our neighborhood. Unfortunately, if this warehouse is built and all those 36 loading docks are there, a lot of diesel pollution is going to be blown up in the same wind every day, the way the clean air comes in now. The American Cancer Society posted the following information on its website. It said the National Toxicology Program is classified exposure to diesel exhaust particulates as reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen, linking diesel particulates to lung cancer. The project requests no operational curfew, despite the fact that a nearby Rexford facility on Struck Avenue in American Way was conditioned with a 10 p.m. curfew. Only 300 homes within 300 feet of the proposed warehouse received formal notice despite clearly foreseeable impacts exceeding well beyond that radius. Several hundred homes in the affected area received no information about this. The people in the area need to have input onto a project that will permanently impact our lives. Many children in our neighborhood attend the Fletcher Academy School, which is only a quarter of a mile away. My son used to cross, he attended that school and used to cross the Glass Owl Street at Fletcher intersection every day. The heavy traffic from the warehouse will make that essential crossing more dangerous for children. Mr. Stevens, I apologize, but your time is up. Okay, thank you.

Thank you for your comments. Next up we have, my apologies, at... ATLACATCHIWILA? You got it?

Very good.

Oh, OK. Good evening, Planning Commissioners.

I provide you with the September 2026 edition of the Foothill Century, highlighting neighbors' concerns with the 2411 North Classwell Street proposed development. My name is Atlacatchiwila, and I'm a District 3 homeowner living about 75 feet from the site. More importantly, I'm a father raising a one-year-old child in the neighborhood next to the proposed trucking facility. My family chose Orange as a place where we could put down roots and raise a family. That is why this project concerns me so deeply. The question is not simply whether a nearly 300,000 square foot warehouse can technically fit on the property. It is whether a 24 hour a day, seven day a week trucking facility operating with 38 truck bays is appropriate for this close to established homes in Fletcher Elementary School. To me, the answer is clearly no. Replacing the existing office park with a major trucking operation would fundamentally change daily life for nearby residents. 24-7 operations may sound like just another condition on development application, but for families living beside it, it means trucks while children are sleeping, trucks during dinner, trucks waking people up early in the morning, and trucks on the weekends. There would be no real respite from the noise, increased traffic, pollution, and the presence of a large industrial trucking facility becoming part of everyday life in our neighborhood. I'm not opposed to development of this site. I believe there can be appropriate use here. But before a project of this intensity moves forward, there needs to be a genuine, good faith effort by the developers, Rexford Industrial Realty, its consultants, Kurt Pringle and Associates, and the city's planning commission and planning department to meaningfully engage the surrounding community. that it requires the developer and its consultants to do more than collect common cards and say, we'll get back to you on that, with no answers. Residents deserve substantive responses, meaningful follow-up, and an opportunity for their input to actually help shape what is proposed for the property. Based on the outreach conducted so far, that has not happened. The issue is not whether this property should be developed. It is whether this level of industrial intensity belongs directly beside established neighborhoods and a nearby elementary school. As it stands today, it does not, and this project should be rejected. Please help protect the families who already call this neighborhood home. Thank you for your time.

Thank you for your comments. Next up, we have Rachel Rolnicki.

Hello, Chair Leslie and Planning Commissioners. My name is Rachel Rolnicki. I'm a homeowner and resident in District 3 that lives directly next to Rexford's proposed mega trucking facility at 2411 Glassell. I've sent invitations to meet with all of you planning commissioners to discuss the problematic project, and I'd like to thank those that I've met with for your time. I hope all commissioners will be able to meet with residents who will be most affected by this project and look forward to being in touch. Now I'd like to talk about the facts of this proposed trucking facility. The fact is the site sits on 12.1 acres. The currently proposed 38 bay mega trucking facility is 300,000 square feet. There is so much space and opportunity here for reasonable development that would be compatible with the proximity to a long established single family home neighborhood, which is a quarter mile from an elementary school. Mixed use, small businesses, or even housing would be welcome development compared to what is currently proposed. The fact is the developer has petitioned to operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. These proposed operational hours are outrageous and would pose significant impacts to our quiet neighborhood. The fact is the developer hosted an open house about the project in the spring where about 150 residents attended with numerous questions and concerns. The room was so packed there was a line out the door to enter. We were asked to complete question cards, and to date, no neighbors have received responses to their questions or concerns. A few small group meetings were held where, yet again, no follow-up was provided to requests for information. A pattern of lack of transparency has been demonstrated by the developer and their team. The fact is the 38 Bay mega trucking facility will not bring revenue generation to the city. It will merely be a pass-through moving product from a point of sale outside of Orange elsewhere. Consider the opportunity to bring in responsible development that will bring revenue generation to the city and benefit Orange, not harm its residents. The fact is, Rexford proposes to build its 38 Bay Mega Trucking Facility, but will lease it to any lessee that will pay the highest price. The city, this commission, or any regulatory body will have no feedback or say as to what type of lessee they will bring in. And residents, yet again, will have no transparency in understanding what is happening right next to us. The fact is, the 38 Bay Mega Trucking Facility does not belong next to our neighborhood and is not appropriate for so many reasons. We ask that you reject and oppose this project when it comes before you. Thank you for your time.

Thank you for your comments, Ms. Romecki. Our next speaker is Doug Oldham.

Okay. First of all, I hope I can talk well. I just got done with a dental implant. That was certainly bad planning on my part, but I didn't know the meeting was today. Okay, and I'm really glad to talk to the Planning Commission. I hope you guys can help us out. I'm here also for the warehouse project on Glassell. My wife and I moved to City of Orange about 10 years ago. And we followed our grandkids. I know that's something retirees do, so we did that. And my son's house is right in the same neighborhood. We didn't plan it that way, but it was a happy accident. But we're both within about a half a mile of the proposed project. OK, when we bought this house, my wife pointed out that we're near a light industrial area. And that really didn't worry me at all, because they were all well landscaped, well kept, not a lot of trucks coming in and out. And actually, the jewel in the crown was the vault building on Glassell. It was really a lot of pretty trees and everything. OK, we lived here for 10 years and have been very happy Both my granddaughters went to Fletcher Elementary, had a good time there, and they're not there anymore, but it would be horrible to me if kids had to go there all day long, breathing a lot of pollution, and if they lived in the neighborhood, they go home and they don't get away from it. They're exposed to pollution at their homes, too. Okay, I realize the... Corporations have to make money selling this property, and if they buy it, whatever they do to make money there. But I really beg the Planning Commission to look at the scope of this. Right now they have four bays, I think, and let's keep it something like that. Let's not go to 38. And the proposal from the developer, which is what they want to do, they want to make as much money as they can, running 24 seven. We shouldn't have anything close to 24 seven, those diesel trucks on the road. So I really beg the commission to protect the residents of Orange, particularly the people that live in this neighborhood and make some reasonable changes that the people in the light industry can coexist. Thanks.

Thank you for your comments, Mr. Oliver. Our next speaker is Kevin Raines.

Dear Orange Planning Commission, Chair Leslie, owners of the land, everyone watching, and anyone with an ear to hear. Thank you for approving the motion to send the proposal for a historical commission to the City Council. Ultimately, while it may help save Holiday Skate Center, the implementation of such a commission will be overwhelmingly beneficial in the long run, especially as humanity seems to fast run towards its self-made extinction. What will we leave behind to be remembered by? I do not know if the owners of the land care if holiday is remembered and fulfilling the residential need for housing is a must. But if holiday is demolished and replaced without giving it a fair shot to be preserved, we are doing something we can't undo. The owners of the land are considering demolishing holiday, but the people are not consenting to demolishing it. So it is up to the council and the planning commission and our leaders to do what they can so it does not devolve into chaos. If we rezone the land, will there be any public indoor space to be made available for us to skate? Preferably with the wooden floor so that we could skate during intermittent weather when it's raining, when it's super hot. It's been really difficult to skate in skate parks recently. Oh, but that will take time and hundreds of thousands of dollars, you might say. then why tear down the rink? Keep it open as a safe space away from the heat, from the apocalyptic weather that is about to befall us, and help us get the appropriate funding to restore it to its best condition to keep the sport alive. If Holiday is demolished, where do you propose we skate? Indoor basketball courts? Private rental places that can also be rezoned? There are more negatives to losing Holiday Skate Center than I can count. And that is why I urge the Planning Commission not to rezone the land and to preserve the building so that it isn't demolished. If holiday was still open, I'd be going to skate right after. And just please hear us out and our future generations out. God bless you all. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Reyes, for those comments. And I believe our last speaker is Ethan Ramirez.

Good evening, folks. I apologize for my horrible appearance right now. I just got off of work. I rushed in at the last minute because I also wanted to speak about Holiday Skate Center along with the members of my skating family that have shown their faces today along with me. I know you guys have heard tonight about the historical importance of Holiday Skate Center. I can only imagine how much love and attention that it's been given considering its closure. But I also wanted to speak about it as well, given the fact that its economic value and why I oppose rezoning the district where Holiday Skate Center is located from commercial to residential use. It wasn't simply just a building, it was a destination, and I've had family members travel from Hollywood, Glendale, even Los Angeles, just to come to Orange, just to skate at Holiday. And when people traveled here, they didn't just spend money at the rink, they bought gas, ate at restaurants, visited the surrounding businesses, and bought economic activity into Orange. something that was practically uncommon in most cities that lacks something of Holiday Skate Center within their own cities. The rink being closed definitely did not stop the demand for it to not. People are organizing, people are attending these meetings, people are sharing memories and asking for Holiday to return. Even people who went to Holiday as a child are still begging for it to come back once they heard that it had shut down. People who had went years without going have heard the horrible news and they were like oh no we need to come back we needed to come back like it's it's still it's still such a present moment but i understand that people in orange need housing and i understand that everyone's mentioned it as a small issue but to me it's not a small issue and so is my family definitely come to agree about that as well and while i get it People in Orange need housing. I'm not here to pretend otherwise. Housing is definitely not the only thing that makes this city worth living in. People need places to go, things to do, businesses to support, and communities to belong to. I understand that keeping this district commercial does not guarantee the Holiday Skate Center to reopen, and the property owners and the rink operator will have to still work that out. However, keeping it commercial keeps that possibility alive and keeps that small hope that people can hold on to. Once this land is converted and developed for another purpose, we may never get that opportunity back. We may never get that community back. We may never get that connection that Orange once shared with the community. So when this issue eventually comes before you, I respectfully ask the commission to oppose rezoning this district from commercial to residential use. Give Holiday Skate Center a chance. Give the community that is still fighting for it a real chance to come home. Thank you and God bless you all.

Thank you, Mr. Ramirez, for those comments. And with that, we will close the public comment section and move on to consent calendar. All items on the consent calendar are considered routine and will be enacted by one motion. Any member of the Planning Commission staff or the public may request an item be removed from the consent calendar for separate action. At this time, I look to colleagues to request any removal of items or approval of consent. Mr. Chair, I'll move the item. Is there a second? Second, all right. Take a vote. All right, motion passes unanimously. Okay, at this time, move on to our public hearings. There is no public hearings. I believe this is entitled to announce the continued public hearing to consider an ordinance amending the Orange Municipal Code to update regulations for homeless shelters and establish regulations for low barrier navigation centers to ensure consistency with state law continued from July 20th, 2026 And at this time, we are asking for a motion to continue to October 19th.

I'll move. I move to continue the public hearing to the regularly scheduled planning commission meeting on October 19th.

We have a second from? All right. Mr. Chair, I have a question. I'm just curious why that item wasn't on the consent calendar. It's not a public hearing. It's just for my own learning.

We did consult with the clerk on the proper placement on this agenda and their direction. We placed it on the public hearings. I think it's due to the nature of it having been opened previously at the July 20th meeting. And we had the intent of bringing that to the commission in a public hearing at this point. So it was for record purposes for its placement. Thank you, Mr. Beckman.

All right, commissioners, please vote. And the motion passes unanimously. This meeting is now adjourned, and the next regular meeting will be held on Monday, September 21, 2026 at 5.30 PM in the council chamber. Thank you all for coming.