City Council - Regular Meeting

IN >> 2027 SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST AND REALLY HELPS ME TO FINALIZE WHAT I BRING TO YOU LATER THE SUMMER WITH THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDED BUDGET WITH ALL OF THE ADJUSTMENTS IN THERE AND IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WANTS TO LOOK INTO ALSO THAT COULD BE THOUGHTS FOR A FUTURE YEAR WE ARE ALWAYS BUDGETING IN ROCHESTER WE'RE OPEN TO BUDGET IDEAS SO JUST WANT TO SORT OF SET THE STAGE THERE WE DO HAVE YOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLES AT THOUGHT HERE OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT STRATEGIC PRIORITY IS HAVING THAT ECONOMIC RESILIENCE AND INCLUSIVE GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THE HOUSING ACCESS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY OF THE BUDGET ALWAYS IN MIND WHEN WE'RE THINKING OF WHAT WE BRING TO YOU AS I POINTED OUT THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS SO I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIENDS AT FINANCE RACHEL HUDAK JOSHUA BRIAN ANDERSON AARON PARRISH AND THEN EVERYONE ACROSS THE TEAM THAT WORKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE THERE FORECASTING THE BUDGET ACCURATELY AND MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED AND THEN OF COURSE MANAGING THEIR BUDGET THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET BUDGET SO AGAIN THIS KICKS THINGS OFF WE HAVE A SCHEDULE IN JULY TO BE FOCUSING ON ANOTHER BUDGET UPDATE SO THE AUDIT IS WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AN IMPORTANT PART OF LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE IS UNDERSTANDING HOW SUCCESSFUL WE WERE IN THE PAST YEAR AT MEETING MEETING BUDGET AND WHERE WE MAYBE HAD SOME CHALLENGES AND THEN HOPING TO BRING YOU THAT SCHEDULE MUCH EARLIER ON IN THE PROCESS OFTEN IN THE PAST WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT TO YOU AND TELL BOTH TO WHEN THE BUDGET'S BEING ADOPTED

BUT FEES ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR BUDGET SO THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HIS SCHEDULE TO BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WE DO HAVE A DRAFT IN THE STUDY SESSION PACKET TODAY AND THEN THAT ALL HELPS US BUILD OUT THE FINAL RECOMMENDED BUDGET COMING IN AUGUST 24TH AND SEPTEMBER 14TH AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME DEADLINES TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS SO SETTING THE PRELIMINARY LEVY AFTER WHICH THE LEVY CANNOT GO UP BUT IT CAN STAY THE SAME OR GO DOWN AND THEN WE HAVE USE GO TO OVER A BUDGET HEARING ON DECEMBER 7TH SO AGAIN SUPPLEMENTAL PROCESS AND IN THIS PROCESS WE DO NOT UPDATE THE SIX YEAR COPY SO IN THE FIRST YEAR YOU ADD UP TO SIX YEARS OBVIOUSLY AS PROJECTS ADJUST WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE SOME OF THE DETAILS WITHIN THERE BUT WE DON'T ADD THE SIXTH YEAR WE WE DO ALL HAVE THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT WORK IN THE TWO YEAR PROCESS ON THE FRONT END WE ONLY LOOK AT REVISIONS FOR THINGS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT KNOWN THAT WEREN'T KNOWN OR THAT WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT WE WEREN'T PLANNING FOR LAST YEAR AROUND THIS TIME WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEPARTMENTS TO PUT IN A SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET REQUEST IN ORDER TO ADDRESS A BASELINE ADJUSTMENT THAT MAYBE WE WEREN'T PREDICTING AND BUT WE DON'T ASK FOR NEW DECISION PACKAGES SO THAT'S PART OF STRATEGY PLANFUL WE CHANGE OUR PLAN EVERY YEAR IT'S REALLY HARD TO THINK WE'RE MAKING GOOD INVESTMENTS SO RIGHT NOW ARE VERY EARLY STAGES OF THE BUDGET WE ARE SITTING AT THE SAME PROJECTED LEVY AS WE HAD LAST YEAR IN THE TWO YEAR BUDGET SO $127 MILLION THAT REPRESENTS A 7.4% INCREASE FROM 2026 SO THAT'S ANYTHING THAT'S TAX LEVY FUNDED LIBRARY PARKS AND RECREATION THE GENERAL FUND FOR POLICE FIRE A LOT OF THE GENERAL SERVICES THERE AND THEN

WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT A GENERAL FUND BUDGET THAT INCREASES BY ABOUT 3.6% I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT PART OF WHY THIS LOOKS LIKE A DISCONNECT IS BECAUSE WE ALSO SAW A LOT OF BUILDING PERMIT FEE REVENUE COME IN SO IT'S SORT OF FALSELY LOWERING THAT PERCENT INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE HAVE REVENUE COMING IN BUT WE WILL BE TRANSFERRING THAT FOR THE SPECIFIC EXPENSES FOR BOTH FOR AN ENDOWMENT AND OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THAT SO THE 7.64% IS A REAL NUMBER AND SOME OF THOSE GENERAL FUND COSTS ARE MUTED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THAT REVENUE COMING IN FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES WE DID REVIEW THE ACTION PLAN HERE ON THE TABLE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND THE NEXT ACTION PLAN UPDATE IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST AND THEN AGAIN I MENTIONED THAT THE AUDIT WOULD BE COMING TO YOU FOR THE 2025 WHAT WE DID ACCOMPLISH AND HOW WE DID THAT FINANCIALLY COMING FORTH HERE IN THE JUNE TIMEFRAME SO YOU MIGHT RECALL THIS IS OUR ALSO OUR LAST SLIDES THAT WILL BE QUITE THIS GRITTY THESE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE BUT AS OF NEXT WEEK WE WILL NEED TO BE DOING THAT SO YOU MIGHT RECALL THERE USED TO BE A CHART HERE SO THE TOTAL BUDGET SITTING THAT'S ALL FUNDS INCLUDING OUR YOU $742.4 MILLION OF THAT OPERATIONS IS SITTING AT ABOUT 411.7 MILLION ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT YEAR 284 MILLION AGAIN JUST ONE YEAR OF THAT SIX YEARS IP AND THEN DEBT SERVICE AT 46.7 MILLION SO THAT ALL ROLLS UP TO THAT $742.4 MILLION LOTS OF DIFFERENT SOURCES THAT USES THOSE FUNDS THERE TO GET ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECTS UTILITIES ETC. WORKING OUR ESTIMATED >> RELIANCE HASN'T REALLY CHANGED SO WE DO NOT FUND ANY OF THE DMC CAPITAL PROJECTS WITH TAX LEVIES OR THOSE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING FORWARD ALL COMING FROM

RESOURCES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE CENTRAL MEDICAL CENTER WE DO HAVE A SLIGHT BURDEN ON INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS SO THINGS LIKE THE EQUIPMENT REVOLVING FUND THERE THAT REQUIRES SOME TAX LEVY AND THEN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ABOUT 8% OF THE LEVY IS GOING TO NON UTILITY RELATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PRIMARILY OUR ROAD RESURFACING PROJECTS THAT WE THAT WE DO SO NOT A LOT AVAILABLE THERE ABOUT $8 MILLION A YEAR A LITTLE MORE THE AIRPORT RECEIVED SOME TAX LEVY IN OUR CONTRACT WE PAID FOR UTILITIES EXCEPT FOR NATURAL GAS SO THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT THE CITY BEARS AS FAR AS THE AIRPORT AND THEN OF COURSE I HAD MENTIONED DEBT SERVICE AND THEN THE GENERAL FUND MUNICIPAL RECREATION AND LIBRARY ARE REALLY HEAVY ON HEAVILY RELIANT ON PROPERTY TAXES IN ORDER TO OPERATE A FEW ECONOMIC FACTORS HERE OUR TOTAL EMPLOYMENT HAS BEEN INCREASING SO WE ARE HOLDING OUR OWN IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA SOME OF THIS YOU WILL RECALL FROM WHEN WE PROVIDED THE CPAS ON THE ACTION PLAN SO REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT GROWTH ALSO WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING IN THE PIPELINE AS HAS BEEN SHARED TO TRY TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THAT GROWTH IN EMPLOYMENT SO STRONG SECTOR WE STILL HAVE A VERY LOW UNEMPLOYMENT AND WE'VE SEEN SOME GROWTH IN NON MEDICAL EMPLOYMENT AS WELL YEAR OVER YEAR SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GREAT GREAT THINGS THEY PUT PRESSURE ON OUR SERVICE LEVELS AND OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THAT AND THE CAPITAL THAT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE PRIVATE INVESTMENT NEEDED TO DRIVE THAT EMPLOYMENT YOU CAN SEE THAT IN OUR HEARD THE MIGRATION TOTALS SO 2025 WE WENT PAST $1 BILLION IN PERMITS IN A YEAR OUR PERMIT VALUATION BUILDINGS WERE UP ABOUT 50% FROM 2024 NOT SURPRISING THINGS

ARE COSTING MORE BUT WE ALSO HAVE BEEN ISSUING MORE PERMITS THE TOTAL PERMITS AGAIN WERE UP 56% SO SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES THERE FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PUBLIC WORKS USE FEW TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT PERMITTING WE ALSO HAVE POSITIVE ECONOMIC INDICATORS ON LODGING TAX AND ANTICIPATED GROWTH IN THE LODGING TAX WHICH WE DEDICATE TO ROCHESTER SPORTS THE EXPERIENCE ROCHESTER A PORTION OF THEIR BUDGET IS FUNDED BUT BUT THAT IS A CAP AND THEN THE REST GOES TO REINVESTMENT WHILE WE'RE PAYING OFF DEBT AS WELL FOR THE EXPANDED FACILITY FROM 2016 AND THEN THE REST GOES TO REINVEST IN THE FACILITY SO THAT THAT'S NOT ON THE LEVY SO WHEN WE HAVE APPROVED PROJECTS OVER THE LAST YEAR FOR LIGHTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT'S BEEN COMING FROM THE LIGHTING TAX THAT ANY EXCESS GOES BACK INTO THE CIVIC CENTER CAPITAL FUND AND THEN ANOTHER INDICATOR SO SALES TAX HAS BEEN HOLDING STEADY DESPITE THE COSTS INCREASING SO PROBABLY NOT SURPRISING PEOPLE ARE BEING MORE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE BUYING BUT AGAIN WE'VE BEEN HOVERING RIGHT AROUND THAT $15.5 MILLION MARK WITH THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT THAT'S ALSO HAPPENING ON THE PRIVATE INVESTMENT SIDE I WOULD EXPECT THAT TO HOLD TRUE WITH THE SALES TAX AND THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT'S HAPPENING AND THEN AIRPORT PASSENGERS AND ON THAT LAST SLIDE IS THERE ANY WAY TO SEE SOMETHING OF 2026 ACQUIRED ON A QUARTERLY BASIS WE IT'S A LOOK BACK SO WE USUALLY GET THESE NUMBERS 60 TO 90 DAYS I WANT TO SAY AFTER COLLECTION SO IT'S A IT'S IT'S A LAGGING INDICATOR I DON'T

KNOW WHEN WE TYPICALLY GET THEM THAT ANSWER ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AFTER COLLECTION PERIOD SO WE CAN START SHOWING IT TO YOU OR MAYBE YOU WITH SOME INDICATION BUT I WOULD SAY THE LODGING TAX ALSO DRIVES SOME OF THIS PEOPLE DON'T JUST PAY A LOT COUNCILMEMBER MILLER THAT'S JUST A QUESTION SO THE STATE PROVIDES THE REPORTING ON SALES TAX CORRECT CORRECT WHAT ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF DETAIL BY SECTOR OR IS AVAILABLE OR IF ANY IN THAT REPORT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS I DON'T BELIEVE WE TYPICALLY GET A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT SO WE'VE WE DON'T GET A LOT OF TRACTOR BY SECTOR BREAKDOWN OF THE GENERAL STATE REPORTING HOWEVER I THINK BRIAN IS REALLY THE ONLY PERSON THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER A SPECIAL AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE WHERE WE CAN BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE GRAPHICALLY AND BY SECTOR BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRACK SPECIFIC SALES BACK TO SPECIFIC BUSINESSES OKAY FOR COMPETITIVE PURPOSES THAT'S CONSIDERED PRIVATE DATA BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRILL DOWN INTO SOME IT'S NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK WITH COMPANIES LOCATED IN EVERYWHERE IN TERMS OF THEIR HOME ADDRESSES BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER LEVEL ON THAT THAT WE CAN LOOK AT UP HERE SOMETHING THAT RELEVANT BUT I GUESS I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT EMPLOYMENT TRENDS THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WE SEE PRIMARILY GROWTH IN THE WHOLE SPACE I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE ARE ANY TRENDS TO DRAW OUT OF THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE THE SALES TAX DROP JUST SLIGHTLY IN 2025 UP 2024 IS THERE SOME TAKEAWAY FROM THAT OTHER THAN WE'RE STILL AROUND THAT YEAR AND A HALF I THINK MAYBE TWO THINGS ONE IS WE'RE WE'RE USING A PRETTY TIGHT SCALE HERE YOU KNOW IT'S PRETTY FLAT BUT AND WHEN WE'VE DONE OUR FORECASTING ON SALES TAX WE ARE WE HAVEN'T FORECASTED THAT ABOVE 15 MILLION FOR QUITE A WHILE SO WE ARE AHEAD OF OUR PROJECTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE PROJECTED TO COLLECT WITHIN THE EXISTING SALES TAX BUT THERE IS SOME VARIABILITY RIGHT LIKE THIS IS ONE AREA THAT CAN GO UP AND

DOWN HISTORICALLY IT'S GOT A VERY NICE TRAJECTORY BUT YEAR TO YEAR IT CAN VARY SLIGHTLY COME FROM MY HOMEWORK I WAS SURPRISED THAT I WENT BACK WITH THE 2019 NUMBERS ON BOTH OUR SALES TAX AND MODELING OUR HIGHER TODAY THAN THEY WERE ON 2019 WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD SIGN YEAH CAN SAY OKAY ANOTHER POSITIVE OF THAT IS WE ARE ABOVE 2019 AT THE AIRPORT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK BACK BUT WE ARE ON A POSITIVE TRAJECTORY THERE SOME SCARY DAYS AND 2022 TIMEFRAME ALSO HAVE SOME MORE FLIGHTS COMING ONLINE SO MOST OF THE AIRPORT'S REVENUE AND EXPENSES ARE RELATED TO HOW MANY FLIGHTS ARE SERVICING MAYBE YOU ALSO OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT CARGO AND GENERAL AVIATION SO PEOPLE BRINGING THEIR PLANES THAT ARE A COMMERCIAL FLIGHT BUT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE AIRPORT AND IT'S FINANCIAL VIABILITY SO SOMETHING GOOD TO SEE AND WE DO HAVE SOME DATA FROM EARLY THIS YEAR FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION SO WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASES EARLY IN THIS YEAR AS SOME OF OUR PARTNERS CONTINUE TO ADJUST SOME OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND FLYING LOCAL SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO SEE AT THE AIRPORT VERY POSITIVE I HEARD THAT YOU WERE WAITING FOR THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATED MARKET VALUATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OLMSTEAD COUNTY SO VERY PRELIMINARY NEW CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE OVER 1% THE VALUATION ADJUSTMENT AT ABOUT 3.27% TOTAL GROWTH IN THE ESTIMATED MARKET VALUE ABOUT 4.3% YEAR OVER YEAR SO STILL PROBABLY NOT THE NUMBERS YOU WANT TO SEE BUT VERY POSITIVE COMPARED TO THE REST OF MINNESOTA TO BE ABLE TO SEE BOTH NEW CONSTRUCTION GROWTH BUT ALSO GROWTH IN THE VALUATION THAT HAS CONTINUED TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAS OCCURRED SINCE 2019 WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED ON A

PERMANENT COMMERCIAL AND WE'LL START TO SEE SOME OF THAT EVOLUTION WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL YET FROM THE COUNTY BUT THIS IS A BIG PART OF WHAT DRIVES PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TAX BILL SO EVEN IF YOU HAD A 0% LEVY THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE ABSORBING THAT NEW VALUATION ADJUSTMENT SO THEY WOULD ABSORB MORE OF WHATEVER DOLLAR AMOUNT REMAINS IN THE LEVY IT ALSO STARTS TO PUSH DIFFERENT ESPECIALLY ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT STARTS TO PUSH PEOPLE OUT OF THAT HOMESTEAD EXCLUSION SO THEY GET LESS VALUE FROM THE HOMESTEAD EXCLUSION MORE VALUABLE THEIR PROPERTY IS SO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS END UP HAPPENING AS WELL AS THE DOLLARS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO PROVIDE OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL ANOTHER SCARY SLIDE THANK YOU TO OUR FRIEND JOE MINOR WHO'S BEEN MY WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SEE GROWTH IN THE SOLD PRICE SO THE AVERAGE SOLD PRICE OF RESIDENTIAL THROUGH THE END OF LAST YEAR NOT AS LARGE OF GROWTH AS WE HAD SEEN IN SOME OF THOSE PRIOR YEARS BUT STILL CONTINUING TO SEE GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR IN THE AVERAGE SOLD PRICE OF HOME SO WE AS WE HAVE MORE NEW CONSTRUCTION COMING IN THE MARKET THOUGH ABOUT MAY START TO IMPACT THAT NUMBER WHICH CAN BE GOOD AND BAD DEPENDING ON IF YOU DON'T SELL YOUR HOUSE AND THEN THE MEDIAN SOLD PRICE SO PROBABLY ONE THAT'S MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT FROM LIKE A DATA TRANSFER AFFORDABILITY SO THE MEDIAN SALE PRICE IS UP AGAIN BUT NOT AS MUCH AS IT HAS BEEN IT'S BEEN SORT OF GETTING LESS STEEP OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS BUT DEFINITELY OVER 2025 OVER THE 2824 NUMBER SO JUST SOMETHING THAT WE DO KEEP IN MIND AND THAT IS A PART OF WHAT INFLUENCES THAT WAS A WEIGHTED

MARKET VALUE OF PROPERTY SOMETHING ELSE WE LOOK AT IS THE THE CPI YOU SOLD THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR URBAN AREAS IS FAIRLY FLAT WE HAVE A BLIP THERE WHERE THERE WAS A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN SO THERE'S A REASON YOU DON'T SEE ANY DOTS THERE BUT AGAIN IT'S WHAT'S TRENDING ON ALL ITEMS AND ALL ITEMS LESS FOOD AND ENERGY A SLIGHTLY DOWN FROM FOUR MONTHS AGO BUT IT'S KIND OF HOLDING FAIRLY STEADY NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT LIKE WE SAW IT BACK IN THE MID UP MID 2022 TIME FRAME BUT STILL IS DRIVING COSTS SO WE'RE STILL ABSORBING A LOT OF INFLATION ESPECIALLY ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THINGS AS WELL THAT YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER SEE AGAIN SO IT IS LIKE SO THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THE CARES DOLLARS GOING TO BUY DOWN THE LEVY AS WE WERE COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC AND YOU WILL RECALL HAD FROZEN POSITIONS THAT NEED TO COME BACK ONLINE BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT SAME ACTIVITY THAT WE HAD WHEN THEY WEREN'T FROZEN AND SO THIS IS THE BUDGET THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY SUBSIDIES SO YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 2023 THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT THAT WAS ABOUT 2.5% OF LEVY BACK THEN THAT WAS ABSORBED BY THE CARES DOLLARS AND NOW WE'RE KIND OF BACK TO THE YEAR PRE-PANDEMIC WHERE WE WERE IN BETWEEN ABOUT A SIX AND A 7% ADJUSTMENT TYPICALLY WITHIN THE BUDGET AND WE JUST SEE THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE GENERAL FUND ADJUSTMENT AND I DID WANT TO JUST REMIND YOU THAT IN AROUND THIS TIME LAST YEAR WE WERE PROJECTING ABOUT A 10.7% INCREASE IN THE LEVY THE TEAM DID A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO MAKE ONE TIME ADJUSTMENTS TO

BRING THAT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN A WAY THAT DID NOT IMPACT SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE START SEEING SERVICE LEVEL IMPACTS THAT IS WHEN TYPICALLY PEOPLE SAY WELL MAYBE I'M MAYBE I'M OKAY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A PROPERTY TAX SO I DID WANT TO BRING UP ON THIS SLIDE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR WAS TO NOT HAVE AND THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP RECENTLY BY MANY OF YOU AND OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THAT YOU ALL WERE A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WAS THE ENTERTAINMENT LEADING UP TO THE FIREWORKS AT 4TH OF JULY AND WE WERE TRYING TO ALSO ADDRESS A CAPACITY ISSUE FOR VERY SMALL DEPARTMENT WHO DOESN'T TYPICALLY BRING OFF LIKE MAJOR EVENTS OTHER THAN MUSIC WE DO HAVE THE FIREWORKS BUDGETED AND THOSE ARE ALL CONTRACTED FOR AND WE DID AS THE MAYOR HAD POINTED OUT WE'VE $20,000 IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE MIGHT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH EXPERIENCED PROTESTER LAST WEEK AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY COULD PULL OFF AN EVENT WITH MUSIC ETC. THEY HAVE A MORE FLEXIBLE MODEL PEOPLE THAT THEY BRING IN ALL THE TIME TO DO EVENTS I DO NOT KNOW IF I CAN PULL THAT OFF WITHIN THE $20,000 BUT IF NOT I WOULD BE COMING FORWARD WITH A CONTINGENCY REQUEST AND HONESTLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS THEY SHOULD DO YEAR OVER YEAR AND SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BUDGET FOR THEY DO HAVE THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY THEY'VE PROVIDED THE NEW YEAR'S EVE EVENT BUT THEY DO LOSE MONEY AND THEIR MODEL IN THAT BECAUSE IT'S A FREE EVENT SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SUPPORT FINANCIALLY WE'RE ALSO GETTING IN QUOTES TO SEE IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AMP UP A LITTLE BIT OF THE FIREWORKS I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY COST WE HAVE QUITE A LOT OF FIREWORKS SHOW US FIREWORKS THOUGH BUT TO BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSITY AT THE END AND THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE SO I DID JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP THAT WE WERE TRYING TO CUT THE BUDGET WE DIDN'T CUT THE BUDGET THERE WAS

A LOT OF DISCOMFORT SOME COMFORT SOME DISCOMFORT WE ALSO HAVE ALREADY SECURED THE CASCADE LAKE LOCATION AND THE RAFFLE FOR THE COMMUNITY PLAN SO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES SO IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT LET ME KNOW BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO PROMOTE IT AND BRING IT TO YOU AND I'LL KNOW SOON IF I NEED TO HAVE ANY CONTINGENCY FOR THAT FOR THIS YEAR AND RIGHT AND THIS IS THE TREND GOING FORWARD OBVIOUSLY WE ALWAYS TRY TO MITIGATE THAT TREND BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR A GROWING COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT ONLY GROWING OUTWARD BUT GROWING UPWARD AND INFILLING SO A LOT OF EXPECTATION THERE AND FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS TYPICALLY WE SEE ABOUT 5.5% OF THIS IS FOR MAINTAINING THE PERSONNEL THAT WE HAVE AND THE MANY LABOR CONTRACTS THAT MR. PARRISH AND HIS TEAM WORK DILIGENTLY TO WORK THROUGH EVERY YEAR SO ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT THE LONG RANGE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET THAT WE'RE IN SIGNIFICANT COSTS FOR THE PROJECTED LEVY FOR CONSTRUCTION WE DON'T RELEASE CHANGE THAT VERY MUCH YEAR OVER YEAR CONSIDERING THE COSTS OF MAINTAINING ALL OF THE CAPITAL THAT IS NOT IN AN ENTERPRISE AND THE GENERAL FUND LIBRARY AND MUNICIPAL RECREATION SYSTEM AGAIN I REALLY DO KIND OF THESE ARE ALL LEVY IMPACTS SO IF YOU DON'T SEE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NO LEVY ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WE DO TRY TO HOLD THE LINE THERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BUT PROJECTING SOME OF THOSE LABOR CONTRACTS OUT WITHIN SOME ANTICIPATED COSTS AND IT'S ANOTHER FAVORITE SLIDE OF FOLKS IS COMPARING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID AND THAT WE HAVE HAD TO REALLY KIND OF FOCUS LOCALLY ON THE REVENUES TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR LOCAL

COSTS I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS SLIDE THAT IF YOU HAD TAKEN IF YOU INDEX FOR EXAMPLE THE 2019 LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID PER POPULATION AND OUR POPULATION GROWTH FROM 2019 TO BEING 125,000 TODAY WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 2.75 MILLION MORE DOLLARS COMING FROM THE STATE ANNUALLY NOT HUGE DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT DEFINITELY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO THE LINE THAT TALKS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENT THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE NOT JUST WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL REVENUE SOURCES BUT WITH STATE AID SO I'M GRATEFUL TO THE TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND TO MR. PERRY FOR POINTING THAT OUT TO ME IN DOING THE MATH BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE DESCRIBED IT THAT WAY BEFORE BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CHALLENGING SO AS COSTS GO WE DEFINITELY HAVE A DECLINING RESOURCE THERE ESPECIALLY WITH THE COST OF GOODS AND THE COST OF PERSONNEL GOING UP A FEW OTHER THINGS THEN WE'RE GOING TO START TO GET INTO THE THINGS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WE DID TALK ABOUT CREDIT CARDS LAST YEAR PRIMARILY RELATED TO ROCHESTER PUBLIC UTILITIES THEY HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY WERE ABSORBING MANY CITIES DO NOT PUT THIS ON THEIR LEVY OR THEIR OTHER RATE PAYERS ALL OF THESE ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FUNDS SO PARKING IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL WE DO CHARGE RATES AND FEES THERE BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT OUR OUR VENDOR CONTRACTS BUT THE BIG ONE IS REALLY THAT THAT'S HITTING THE LEVY IS THE BUILDING INSPECTION SERVICES MUNICIPAL RECREATION CITY CLERK AND THEN SOME OF THAT WITHIN WITHIN MISCELLANEOUS SO RIGHT NOW BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS ISN'T GOING AS FAR BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO ABSORB THOSE COSTS WE DO NOT WE HAVEN'T BEEN INCREASING THE CREDIT CARD FEE COSTS WITHIN THE BUDGET SO WE ARE HOPING TO AS OUR YOU HAVE ROLLED OUT NOT

DO IT EXACTLY LIKE OUR VIEW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A UTILITY SERVICE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF ONE TIME TRANSACTIONS BUT LOOKING AT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF COULD WE CONSIDER A CONVENIENCE FEE ON THE CREDIT CARD SIMILAR TO ARPU BUT SHOULD IT BE A PERCENTAGE SHOULD THERE BE A CAP SHOULD THERE BE A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT AFTER WHICH YOU CAN'T USE A CREDIT CARD THINGS OF THAT NATURE OTHERWISE WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD THEM INTO THE BUDGET SOMEHOW METADATA YEAH SO IF SO THE ONE WITH PARKING IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT IF WE DON'T TAKE RIGHT AND THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE'RE FORCING THEM TO USE CREDIT CARDS AND THEN POTENTIALLY CHARGING THEM THE OTHER WAY OR DO WE REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO START GOING BACK TO CHECKS BECAUSE WE COULD GET THIS ADDITIONAL MONEY OR PEOPLE COULD SAY I'M NOT GOING TO PAY THAT ANYMORE I'M GOING TO WRITE A CHECK IS THAT THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE USED TO PAYING A CREDIT CARD FOR IT AT SOME POINT YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALIGNED IT AT SOMETHING THAT WASN'T SO EXORBITANT THAT THEIR FEES WERE GOING UP A LOT BUT I GUESS THE FLIPSIDE OF THAT IS SHOULD THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY BE PAYING FOR YOU TO USE YOUR CREDIT CARD SO LIKE TRYING TO FIND THE HAPPY MEDIUM OF MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO OVERCLOCK BUT WE'RE JUST OFFSETTING THE COST OF THE USE OF THE CREDIT CARD ACROSS THE MEMBER YEAH I'M JUST GOING TO SUMMARIZE I JUST AS I'M SEEING THIS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY MORE AND MORE PLACES I WONDER AT WHAT POINT DO PEOPLE SAY OKAY ENOUGH I'M GOING TO START WRITING CHECKS AGAIN AND I'M NOT SURE BUSINESSES REALLY WANT CHECKS I THINK THEY LIKE THE CONVENIENCE OF THE ONLINE PAYING AND I SO I APPRECIATE LIKE HOW DO YOU HIT THE SWEET SPOT THAT COVERS THE COST BUT DOESN'T DETER PEOPLE TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION THAT WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR A CITY OR A BUSINESS TO DO THAT SO THANK YOU ALL ARE WE LEARNING FROM

ARGUE IN THAT IF I READ IT CORRECTLY 25% OF PAYMENTS ARE NOW COMING IN A CREDIT CARD IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR WAS IT 50% LAST YEAR DOWN TO 25 OR IS IT CONSISTENT IT'S STILL VERY NEW LOOK MAYBE DIFFERENT MANAGERS I ONLY >> ONLY HAVE AN A SORRY SORRY ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT SAY SOMETHING ONLY ON THE ANECDOTAL DATA AT THIS POINT IS YOUR CUSTOMERS SWITCH TO NON PAYMENT TYPES THE MAJORITY OF OUR PAYMENTS ARE STILL COMING IN THROUGH CREDIT CARD IT'S ABOUT 40% OF TOTAL CUSTOMERS RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS PAY THE CREDIT CARD CONVENIENCE AND THE MEANS OF AVERAGING ABOUT 1% PER TRANSACTION THERE SO MOST PEOPLE ARE STILL STICKING WITH THE CREDIT CARD AND I'M TALKING ABOUT AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO USE A CREDIT CARD FOR WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO SET UP A CUSTOMER ACCOUNT SO ONE OF OUR LARGEST COMMITTEES WE COLLECT ALL OF THAT DATA AND BILL THEM MONTHLY IT'S ACTUALLY LESS INTENSIVE THAN THEY PAY FOR THE CREDIT CARD OVER TIME THIS WOULD BE A MUCH BIGGER NUMBER IF THAT WERE HAPPENING SO THERE ARE THESE SORT OF GUARDRAILS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT DO FIT IN WITH WOULD AGREE HOW ARE WE DOING BUSINESS BECAUSE BECAUSE WE PAY SUCH A LARGE FEE IF SOMEONE IS MAKING A $50,000 EXPENDITURE THAT'S A LARGE FEE THAT'S BEING ABSORBED BY ANY DEPARTMENT THAT IS THAT'S DOING THAT SO IT'S A TRADE OFF BUT ONE THAT WE ALREADY ACTUALLY LIKE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAKE DEPENDING ON LIKE THEIR USAGE IS THERE AN OPTION WITH A PARKING OR SOMEONE TO USE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A CREDIT CARD THERE IS A DEBIT CARD AND I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE LIKE THE PART

MOBILE IF IT'S CONNECTED TO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT AND THEN YOU THEN ARE TO HELP ME WITH MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON THIS IS THERE A FEE CONNECTED TO CONNECTING TO OR DIRECTLY TO A SAVINGS OR CHECKING ACCOUNT I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT TO DETERMINE I BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN USE A DEBIT CARD BUT PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH PARKING IS THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTS TO DO THESE THINGS AND SO WE WOULD LIKELY BE NEEDING TO LOOK AT OUR CONTRACT THERE THE BIGGER ISSUES ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PARKING FEE STRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING OFFSET BY LEVY CURRENTLY BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD LOOK INTO TO RESTRUCTURE THEIR CONTRACTS THERE ALREADY IS A CONVENIENCE E BUILT IN FOR BOTH PARTIES IT'S DIFFERENT REPROGRAMABLE THAN IT IS FOR THEIR PROGRAMS BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT TO DETERMINE SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL OF THESE WOULD HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME BUT THE ONES THAT ARE THE LARGEST IMPLICATION THAT CURRENTLY BUDGETS ARE ABSORBING WHICH MEANS WHAT BUDGETED GOES LESS FAR IS IN OUR TAX LEVY FUNDED DEPARTMENTS COUNCILMEMBER MILLER YES TWO QUESTIONS ONE IS THERE ANY SORT OF BEST PRACTICE FROM OTHER CITIES THAT SO I WANT TO HEAR OUT THE GUIDING ON BUDGETING AND ABSORBING THIS AND BALANCING THE TRADEOFFS BETWEEN RECOVERY FEES AND TAX LEVY AND THE CONVENIENCE THERE ARE AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BEFORE I WANTED TO GET A SENSE OF WHETHER YOU THINK WE GOT A SENSE LAST YEAR THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE TO NOT HAVING OTHER CUSTOMERS PAY PEOPLE'S CREDIT CARD FEES BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE SPACES WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE $50 PER MINUTE FOR A PARK RESERVATION WHICH WOULD MAYBE BE $50.03 OR YOU KNOW THOSE ARE MUCH SMALLER BUT MANY CITIES

HAVE ALREADY GONE TO THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE LIKE TEN YEARS AGO IN ORDER TO NOT IN SOME STATES REQUIRE YOU TO DO IT BUT I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I THINK ADDRESSING THE BIGGEST IMPACTS THE HIGHEST VIEWS MAKES MORE SENSE AS MR. WHITMAN SITTING HERE AND I THINK ABOUT THE POOLS ON A BUSY DAY AND THINKING ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF TRYING TO MULTIPLE PAYMENT METHODS CASHIER CHANGE CHARTS AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THAT COULD BRING TO GETTING PEOPLE EFFICIENTLY AND THEY WOULDN'T WANT US TO OVERCORRECT IN THOSE AREAS THOSE ARE ALL THINGS IN THE GUARDRAILS THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IN A POLICY THAT WOULD WORK >> COUNCILMEMBER >> KANE YES COUNCILMEMBER I HAVE WATCH THIS SPACE FOR A WHILE IT'S FASCINATING TO SEE A LOT OF PLACES GOING LIKE DRIVING PEOPLE BACK TO CASH AND OTHER PEOPLE PLACES LIKE OUR CIVIC CENTER SAYING CARD ONLY SO IT IS INTERESTING HOW TO HOW IT'S BIFURCATING LIKE THAT ONE POINT ON THE RPU THING THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE WHEN YOU SAY WHAT THE GOAL WAS WAS IT TO COLLECT THE EXTRA FEE OR WAS IT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT CARD USE IS THE REAL GOAL WAS TO HAVE THE COSTS FOLLOW THE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FEE DOES A BETTER JOB AT THIS I'VE DONE THIS NOW IN THE LAST YEAR I THINK RESTAURANTS ARE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A 3% FEE ON THIS AND IT'S JUST BASICALLY OFFSETTING THAT THREE AND FOUR AND 5% THAT THEY'RE LOSING ON THIS AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF IT BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES WHEN YOU LIST THE DIFFERENT STUFF LIKE THE CITY CLERK SOMEONE DOING A TRANSACTION THERE ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS IT'S DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THINGS SET UP TO BE AN AUTOMATIC WITHDRAWAL YOU HAVE NO CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT FOR THOSE SORT OF THINGS BUT WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR BIGGER CLIENTS DOING THIS STUFF SO I THINK THIS ISN'T SO MUCH A ONE SIZE FITS ALL BUT I THINK WE

SHOULD BE LOOKING AT RECOVERING THE COSTS THAT THE CITY IS PAYING TO USE CREDIT CARDS AND THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT ONE MORE RELATED QUESTION IS A DEBIT CARD A CREDIT CARD BEING TREATED THE SAME I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU UTILIZE THE CARD IT'S THE PERSON MAKING THE TRANSACTION MAKING THE CHOICE BUT I THINK TYPICALLY IF YOU'RE USING A DEBIT CARD DEPENDING ON THE SOFTWARE IT'S PROBABLY LIKE 3 TO 4 SECONDS MR. MCCULLOUGH I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT I THINK IT ALSO AGREEMENT BETWEEN PROCESSOR BENEFITS AND A CARD AS WELL IN THE AFTERNOON CASE THEY ONLY RUN THE CREDIT CARD SO THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SO I THINK THAT THE PAYMENT PROCESSING WOULD MEAN THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THOUGHTS ON THIS IF NOT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT OH SO WE DON'T WORRY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT POLICY AND GOLF COURSES BUT WE DID THE NUMBERS THAT WE DID I THINK IT WAS YEAH BUT ANY GROUP WE HAVE CALL WOULD MAKE HERE TO JUST SHARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH COSTS AND REVENUE AND THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO PROVIDE OPERATING LEVY TO THE GOLF COURSES WHICH IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN 23 SURE THANK YOU ALISON THANK YOU BEER COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE I GET TO THE CHALLENGES THERE ARE SOME GREAT THINGS HAPPENING IN GOLF AND

BACK DURING THAT TIME THAT ALICE HAD MENTIONED THAT WE DID THE PLANNING FOR GOLF WE SET OUT SOME OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE VERY OPTIMISTIC REVENUE TARGETS WE'VE EXCEEDED THOSE TARGETS GOLFERS ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE EXPECTED AND ASKED THEM TO DO THEY'RE SHOWING UP THEY'RE PAYING THE FEES AND THEY'RE HAVING A GOOD TIME ON THE COURSES THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE WE EVERY YEAR SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE BROKEN REVENUE RECORDS IN THIS PAST YEAR 25 REVENUE WAS JUST RIGHT AT $2.3 MILLION AND THAT'S FOR THESE ANNUAL PASSES AND OUR PROGRAMS CONCESSIONS EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING FROM OUR USER FEES NOW ON THE CHALLENGING SIDE WE SHARE THIS PAIN WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND THAT FUEL AND FERTILIZER COSTS ARE RISING THEY WERE A CONCERN A YEAR AGO AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY A CONCERN NOW SO WE'RE DOING A LOT TO ADDRESS THAT ONE IS WE APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION OF PROVIDING SOME STEADY TAX LEVY IF YOU LOOK OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE BEEN PROFITABLE THREE OF THOSE FIVE YEARS HAD VERY GOOD YEARS BUT THEN THERE'S THE YEARS WHERE 25 WE HAD A LOT OF CHALLENGES RELATED TO WEATHER WEATHER IS A BIG FACTOR OF COURSE IN RUNNING THE GOLF OPERATION WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEE TRANSITIONS THE SILVER LINING THERE IS WE RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL TO MOVE TO A FULL TIME MODEL A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE MODEL WHERE WE SHARE THE THE POSITION ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND WE CAN AS WE HAVE TURNOVER IN FUTURE POSITIONS WE CONTINUE

TO CONSIDER THAT MODEL WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT STANDARDS WHERE REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO PLACES OUTSIDE THE PLAYABILITY OF THE COURSE TO MAYBE LET THE GRASS GROW WILL LONGER BE A LITTLE MORE TOLERANT OF THE VEGETATION IN THOSE AREAS WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING OUR GOLFERS ON BOARD WITH THAT AND THAT IS AN EXPENSE THAT YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T REALLY ADD TO THE TO OUR REVENUE BUT IT'S SOMETHING OUR GOLFERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT CHALLENGE TO TO GET THEIR SUPPORT SO THERE ARE KIND OF FEARS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND AS I SAID BEFORE ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO 27 AND WE'RE DEFINITELY WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT FUEL FERTILIZER AND LABOR SUPPLIES I PULLED THOSE NUMBERS FROM A VARIETY OF PLACES BUT I LOOKED AT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING AND NOT WHAT WE WHAT WE EXPECT TO SPEND IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR BUT WHAT THE MARKET VALUE OF THAT FERTILIZER AND AND OTHER COMMODITIES ARE AND SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE CHALLENGED LIKE I SAID WE ANTICIPATE ABSORBING A LOT OF THAT IN JUST HOW WE MANAGE THE COURSES WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IN A VERY PLAYABLE ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT ARE VISIBLE OUTSIDE THE AREAS OF THE PLAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON COUNCILMEMBER MILLER BUT JUST AS A REMINDER AND FOR MY BENEFIT FROM THE FEE INCREASES THERE WERE MORE LARGER STOPS AND VIEWS FOR GOLFERS RIGHT EARLY ON OR WE PASSED THOSE 20 >> SEVEN IS THE LAST YEAR THAT WAS IN THE FEES THAT WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT THAT TIME AND WE'VE HELD TO THAT JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT EVEN THOUGH MAYBE THE MARKET MIGHT TELL US WE COULD BE A LITTLE HIGHER AND WE JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH ALL

THE WAY THROUGH 2017 WITH WHAT WE TOLD THE GOLFERS WE WOULD WE WOULD DO AND SO YEAH WE'VE WE'VE RAN THAT COURSE BUT BUT AND WELL FROM HERE ON OUT WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL OKAY YOU I FEEL LIKE IF I REMEMBER A HIGH LEVEL OF THIS DISCUSSION PART OF IT WAS REALLY BUILDING UP SOME RESERVES NOT JUST INCREASING THE REVENUE BUT GETTING TO A MORE STABLE PLACE AND I UNDERSTAND THE REVENUES THAT CAN'T BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE MEETING THE LARGER GOAL ON THIS TRAJECTORY AND I GUESS IT'S JUST A CONCERN I'M CURIOUS ABOUT LIKE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR THOSE DELAYED INVESTMENTS FOR THE HORSES YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE VERY LARGE AREAS THAT HAVE SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE BUT I'M CURIOUS IF IF THAT SCHEDULE GETS ADJUSTED IF THE EXPENSES FOR TO OPERATE ARE EXCEEDING THE MODEL PROJECTIONS I >> THINK WE WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE ON THE EXPENSE SIDE OF THINGS IN 2022 THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS WE DIDN'T KNOW THEN AS FAR AS INFLATION AND SOME OF THESE OTHER COSTS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALTHOUGH HAVING SAID THAT TO GO TO HAVE THAT AND BE PROFITABLE WITHOUT TAX LEVY FOR THREE OF THOSE YEARS IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE CONSIDERING ANY GOLF COURSE IS GOING TO EXPERIENCE SOME LOSS OVER OVER TIME IT'S OVER THE LONG HAUL THAT THE REVENUES ARE MADE SO AND WE HAVE THE CRC DOLLARS TO WORK ON VERY NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE COURSES AND INJURY FROM THE NORTHERN HILLS IS ONE OF THE BIGGER POINTS OF CONTENTION WITH GOLFERS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS WE'VE GOT THAT RESOLVED THANKS TO THAT SUPPORT AND THAT I HAVE AN INCREASE CLUBHOUSE IS CURRENTLY GETTING SOME MUCH NEEDED REPAIRS I WOULD SAY THAT ON THE CAPITAL SIDE JUST TO BE

TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT WE'RE PUTTING IN 200,000 A YEAR WE AGREED WE WOULD BE PUTTING 400,000 A YEAR THE CAPITAL SORT OF LESS THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED TO OUR SUSTAINING OPERATIONS WHICH IT WASN'T BEFORE I MEAN WE WERE RUNNING DEFICITS EVEN YOU KNOW AND THAT'S A SITUATION THE LEVEL OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO HASN'T HAPPENED AND THAT NUMBER WAS SET AT A NUMBER LESS THAN WHAT THE CONSULTANT RECOMMENDATION WAS WHICH WAS 750 FOR A YEAR AND 25 IN NOVEMBER ONLY LIKE THAT I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY MORE IDEAL BUT WE ARE SORT OF I THINK THAT'S MAYBE THE KEY MESSAGE HERE IS OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES TRYING TO ADDRESS SO PLAYABILITY ADJUSTMENTS AND WE STILL HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT CAPITAL COUNCILMEMBER DORAN AS WE THINK ABOUT GOLF I'M GOING TO ASK HIM WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE REGISTERED COMMUNITY >> WOULD >> IN THE GOLFING COMMUNITY CAN YOU GET BACK TO ME ON THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU ON IT THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED PAYING CREDIT CARD FEES FOR FOR FOLKS AND I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH A TAXPAYER IS SUBSIDIZING SOMEONE'S GOLF GOLFING ON A YEARLY BASIS IT'S THE SAME SORT OF SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE WHO MIGHT NOT BE GOLFING IS IS PAYING INTO A TAX SYSTEM TO OFFSET THAT GOLFING EXPERIENCE FOR SOMEONE ELSE SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS I THINK THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR GOLF IS A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION A YEAR AND SO NOT SUPER SIGNIFICANTLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE THE LIBRARY OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT OKAY AND THEN WHAT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT

PERCENTAGE DOES OF THE MUNICIPAL RECREATION BUDGET IS GOLF YOU KNOW SO HAVE $12 MILLION BUDGET IT'S 2.3 MILLION CAN ROUGH NUMBERS GO UP 20% AND I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT OUR TRAILS AND OUR PARKS THERE'S NOT NOBODY PAYS FOR THOSE EXCEPT OUR TAXPAYERS I GUESS WE SHOULD GET A LOT OF MEMBERS YOU DO HAVE TO ASK THE CHAIR TO BE RECOGNIZED MR. CHAIR THANK YOU FOR YOUR YES MR. CHAIR I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THEN IN OUR GOLFING SYSTEM I SPENT SOME TIME I'M NOT A GOLFER I'M GLAD PEOPLE ENJOY IT THIS MORNING I JUST THAT'S NOT FOR ME LOOKING AT THE GOLF THESE ARE THEY'RE SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS FOR LOW INCOME FOLKS WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GOLF REALLY WELL I WE'VE TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS QUESTION IN 2010 WHEN WE DID THE PLANNING AND AND THE ANSWER WE GAVE AND AND IS CONSISTENT IN MUNICIPAL GOLF PROGRAMS IS THAT MUNICIPAL GOLF IS DESIGNED TO BE A LOW COST OPTION FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GOLF AS OPPOSED TO THEIR COUNTRY CLUBS PRIVATE COURSES AND OTHER OPTIONS YOU KNOW EVEN TALK GOLF IS WE TRY TO BE AN AFFORDABLE OPTION WE DO WE ARE PRETTY GENEROUS IN OUR YOUTH PROGRAMS WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING FIRST TEAM PROGRAM AND WE CREATE WE TRY NOT TO GO TO WAITLISTS EVERY YEAR WE TRY AND GET EVERYBODY ON THE COURSE THAT WANTS TO BE PART OF THAT PROGRAM AND THAT IS VERY AFFORDABLE AS FAR AS YOUTH PROGRAMS I THINK I RECALL THROWING OVERALL GOLF HAS

CONTINUED TO GROW WE HAD THE 8090 SURGE AND THEN THE COVID SURGE AND SO FOR OUR NATIONAL GOLF FOUNDATION AND THE PGA SO THAT'S STILL ON A FAIRLY STEADY CLIMB AND IF THAT HOLDS TRUE IN ROCHESTER TOO AND THEN DO WE DO WE WATER OUR GOLF COURSES WE DO AND WHAT IS THAT AVERAGE WATER EXPENSE I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP IT VARIES BY THE COURSE OKAY AND THEN PESTICIDES WE USE PESTICIDES ON OUR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT WE DO OKAY AND I ALSO BE INTERESTED IN THAT NUMBER TWO OKAY OKAY COUNCIL MEMBER KIM YEAH AGAIN I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHARTS IN HERE WITH THIS BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO GET IT LIKE A TAKEAWAY AT A BUDGET LEVEL IS THIS SOMETHING LIKE THE ADMINISTRATOR TALKS ABOUT LIKE CAPITAL OF THE 750 BUT I REMEMBER AT 250 NUMBER BUT I THINK THAT WAS PUT INTO THE GOLF PROGRAM IT WASN'T PUT INTO CAPITAL AND I THOUGHT AGAIN I'M TRYING TO STEP AWAY AND SAY HERE'S THE DELTA FROM THE THE EARLY REALLY EARLY DISCUSSIONS ON THE 2027 BUDGET SO THE EARLY SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE IS $200,000 CONTRIBUTED TO CFP WHICH WE'VE BEEN DOING YES WHICH WAS PART OF THAT 2023 DECISION AND THEN 150,000 VERSUS 50,000 FOR OPERATIONS SO YOUR 250 IS CORRECT AND THEY WERE SEGREGATED 200,000 BUT OF COURSE COUNCILMEMBER MILLAR'S POINT THERE WAS ALSO THIS INTENT THAT THE REVENUE WOULD EXCEED THE REST OF THE OPERATIONS AND THAT GOLF ITSELF WOULD ALSO BE PUTTING IN FOR THE PRIMARILY FOR CAPITAL BUT THE COST OF WHAT WAS DESCRIBED ALSO HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING NOT JUST AT THE GOLF COURSE ALSO IN THE REST OF THE PARK SYSTEM SO AGAIN IF YOU

COULD SUMMARIZE FOR ME WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE THESE ISSUES WHAT DOES IT MEAN BUDGETARY LIKE $100,000 AND DO I READ THAT IS A TAX LEVY SIDE THAT THEN YES THAT IT WOULD BE COMING FROM TAX LEVY OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY DEGRADE THE COURSES OR INCREASE THE RATES BEYOND WHAT YOU ARE WHICH MAY IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO COVER THE COST BECAUSE IF PEOPLE GOLF THERE'S AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP SO LET YOU SEE IF I COULD RESTATED WOULD BACK IN THE 2020 TO 2023 AGREEMENTS THERE WAS 200,000 TOWARDS CFP AND 50,000 TOWARDS OPERATIONS AND NOW WE'RE MAKING IT 150 TOWARDS OPERATIONS YES THREE 5350 TITLE I PREDICT EXISTING CFP BUT YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT SIDE AND SAY ORIGINALLY WE WERE SAYING BETWEEN INCREASED FEES AND TAX LEVY SUPPORT WE WERE TRYING TO GENERATE $500,000 THE FEES ARE GOOD WE'VE BEEN GENERATING THAT THE LEVY OCCURRED EXPENSES ARE UP SO WHEN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO 400,000 OF FOR THAT MODEL WE'RE ONLY DOING 200 SO WE'RE SUBSIDIZING IT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER EXPENSES THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT A HUNDRED THOUSAND A MILLION FOR AS I'M SAID AND WE'RE NOT INVESTING THE 200,000 IN CFP LIKE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SHARE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF REVENUE NOW YEAH WHAT IS IT THAT THAT I THINK THAT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND WE'RE TELLING YOU WERE A LITTLE OFF COURSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN HERE IS YEAH WE'RE WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL THERAPY WE JUST WANT YOU KNOW I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM GENERATED DURING THIS CONVERSATION LAST TIME AND WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW AFFORDABLE AND MAINTAIN THE PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR OF LOOKING AT WAYS TO MITIGATE COSTS AT THE GOLF COURSE DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE

GOING UP SO THERE WILL PERHAPS BE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FOR DIFFERENT GOLFERS AND AT SOME POINT MAYBE DIFFERENT COURSES WILL HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES AND THEIR RATES MAY ADJUST ACCORDINGLY WHICH MAY GET TO SOME OF THE AFFORDABILITY COMPONENTS TOO SO LIKE THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU OVERCOME IN A OVERNIGHT RIGHT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO TRY TO STAY ON TOP OF IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS AND WITHIN THIS WE ALSO HAVE CHANGED THE MODEL FOR OPERATIONS SO THAT YEAR ROUND THERE'S THE COLLEGES HAVE A GOLF IN THE SUMMER WE ACTUALLY HAVE YEAR ROUND PROGRAMING SUPPORT FOR OTHER FACILITIES ACROSS THE PARK SYSTEM I AGREE AND I DON'T THINK THOSE EXPENSES ARE BEING CHARGED TO GOLF I THINK THEY'RE BEING CHARGED ELSEWHERE SO ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT APPROPRIATELY ALLOCATING THEM ORIGINALLY BUT WE'RE ALSO MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT WITH OKAY THAT COULD BE I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE AWAY AND I THINK THAT I THINK THE IDEA HERE IS THIS IS SORT OF LIKE A DECISION PACKET THAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL $100,000 IF IF THAT WERE MY SUMMARY OF DIFFERENT DECISION WHAT WAS IN THE RESOLUTION IN 2020 YES THAT'S HELPFUL THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER PALMER WELL THANK YOU I'M NOT A GOLFER EITHER I THINK IT'S A GOOD SPORT I GUESS BUT I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR WOMEN I THINK YOU SAID THAT THE NUMBER OF GOLFERS THAT HAVE INCREASED SINCE WE STARTED THE 2022 YES WE'VE SEEN INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD SIGNIFICANTLY IN OUR YOUNG ADULT AND YOU KNOW PASSES AND THEY WOULD BE IN YOUR FIRST TEE PROGRAM IS SET UP FOR CHILDREN NOT JUST TO LEARN GOLF BUT ETIQUETTE AND GOLF IS THAT CORRECT OKAY THEN BUT AND CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IS WELL IT'S A NATIONAL PROGRAM WE USE THE CURRICULUM PROVIDED BY THE FIRST THREE WE ARE A SUBSIDIARY OF THE PROGRAM IN PAUL AND THAT'S BEEN REAL SUCCESSFUL

VERY SUCCESSFUL AND WE GET A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS SUPPORT FROM GOLFERS FOR THE INSTRUCTION I EQUIPMENT DONATED THAT'S WHERE THE AFFORDABILITY FACTOR IS SOMETHING FOR YOU WE HAVE A STORAGE AREA FOR DONATED COURTS FOR YOU THAT WORKS OUT WELL IF I REMEMBER SUBSIDY FROM US FOR THE REC CENTER IS ABOUT $800,000 A YEAR THAT CORRECT BUT ROUGHLY BALLPARK IT YEAH YEAH AND WE HAVE PICKLEBALL WE HAVE TENNIS WE HAVE 90 DIFFERENT THINGS YOU PROBABLY DO IN YOUR PROGRAM 90 SOUNDS LIKE YEAH IT'S VERY BUSY DEPARTMENT YEAH AND WE DON'T ALWAYS TRY TO BREAK EVEN WE TRY TO OFFER STUFF TO TO THE COMMUNITY CORRECT OKAY AND THEN MOST OF THE TIME THOSE DECISIONS DON'T COME TO US THEY GO TO THE PARK BOARD AND THE PARK BOARD MAKES THOSE DECISIONS AS FAR AS WHAT HOW MUCH YOU KNOW AND HOW MUCH YOU DO THIS AND THEN WHAT YOU DO THAT YOU'RE JUST OUT OF THIS YEAR HAVING TO ASK US FOR A LITTLE BIT EXTRA IS THAT CORRECT THAT'S CORRECT AND THE BOARD IS AWARE OF THESE NUMBERS AND AGREEABLE TO THEIR REQUEST IF I REMEMBER RIGHT WE'RE ABOUT $200,000 IN SWIMMING POOLS THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING RIGHT NOW AND AND THAT'S THAT'S ON RANKINGS BALL RIGHT THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MILLER OKAY THANK YOU I ACTUALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH RELATED TO GOLF ON THE PARKS FACILITIES THAT HAVE OUTSIDE FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATORS HOW MUCH REVENUE IS COMING IN FROM THOSE I WELL LET ME JUST FOCUS ON GOLF WE REALLY BASE THAT ON THE QUALITY OF THE FACILITY AND POTENTIAL FOR REVENUE FROM THE VENDOR WE'RE CHARGING MORE AT SODAS FIELD BECAUSE LOCATION NOT SO MUCH THE FACILITIES FACILITIES OKAY WE HAVE A NEWER FACILITY AT NORTHERN HEIGHTS OR

NORTHERN BUILDING L SORRY AND WE CHARGE IT'S A SIMPLE LEASE AND REVENUE OF APPROXIMATELY COURSE JUST UNDER 10,000 IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT WE'RE VERY VERY LOW AT THIS WORD BECAUSE IT IS REALLY GOLFERS ONLY AS A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER AND THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC COMING IN AS WE SEE OUT THE WEST CIRCLE RIGHT OKAY I GUESS THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE WE ONLY TALK ABOUT THE SO WE TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF THE LIQUOR LICENSE AND THE HIGHER MARGINS ON FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES FINANCIALLY FOR THAT FACILITY BECAUSE AND I GUESS I JUST BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT IT IN THE OPERATING MODEL AND IT DOES SEEM LOW BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CHALLENGES ARE THOSE LEASES ASIDE THERE'S SOME PRETTY COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS OR HOW ARE THEY COMING TO BE I WE HAVE TRIED TO GET WORD OUT AND ABOUT OPENINGS BEFORE WE RELEASED WHEN I CALLED HOUSE WITHOUT A VENDOR FOR OVER THREE YEARS WE HAD A VENDOR APPROACH US AND WE DID NOT MAKE IT COMPETITIVE WE NEED TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THAT VENDOR AND USUALLY THAT'S HOW IT'S HAPPENED AS AS WE'VE EXPANDED WE TRY TO FIND MOST ALL OF OUR VENDORS RIGHT NOW EXCEPT FOR EASTWOOD HAVE OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE THE BIG OPEN CONCESSIONS SO THAT TENDS TO WORK WHERE WELL WHERE THEY'RE NOT DEPENDING JUST ON THAT REVENUE FROM THEIR LIVELIHOOD AND IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF LIKE A 2% REVENUE SHARING FOR LIKE PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE ALCOHOL SALES WAS A HIGHER MARGIN ITEM WE >> AS WE'VE SEEN THE GROWTH IN THE TWO COURSES

THAT I MENTIONED THAT ARE DOING WHAT THE DIFFERENT MODELS ARE PART OF IT IS THE ACCOUNTING PIECE OF IT IS I JUST TO BE HONEST IT'S EASIER FOR OUR TEAM RIGHT NOW TO FOCUS ON GOLF AND NOT HAVE TO WORK AS AN ACCOUNTING SYSTEM FOR THE CONCESSIONS IT'S EASIER TO HAVE THAT JUST CONSISTENTLY I'M THE ONE THEN MANAGING THAT AND KEEPS IT OUT OF THE OF THE GOLF PRO BUT THAT IS A POTENTIAL THAT WE HAVE OKAY I JUST BRING IT UP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF HOW WE THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER FACILITIES HAVING SUSTAINABLE OPERATIONS AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST POINT I'LL JUST MAKE ABOUT SORT OF THE ORIGINAL INTENT I MEAN WHEN WE THINK OF OUR PARKING SYSTEM WE THINK OF OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM WHEN THOSE RESERVES BEGIN TO DROP THAT'S REALLY THE TRIGGER POINT OF REEVALUATION WHETHER THAT'S ADJUSTED SERVICE IN THE CASE OF RENTERS OR PUBLIC TRANSIT WHICH WE GO THROUGH ABOUT TWICE A YEAR OR IN THE PARKING WORLD READ STUDIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THAT RESERVE AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MODELS ABOUT NOT GOING TO THE CAR LEVY BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A MORE IMPORTANT INDICATOR THAN WHERE THE REVENUES ARE TRACKING ESPECIALLY WHERE EXPENSES ARE OBVIOUSLY NOW BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY COLLEAGUES STAND BUT THAT'S MORE CONCERNING TO ME IF EXPENSES CONTINUE TO OUTPACE EVEN WITH INCREASED REVENUES BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A STRUCTURAL IMBALANCE TO BE IN OPERATIONS EVEN IF THERE'S ALWAYS SOME IMPLIED SUBSIDY THERE FROM SOME OF OUR CAR WELL I'LL GO BACK OF MY MY UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR CLUBHOUSES IS LIKE EAST WHERE WE'RE JUST LUCKY TO HAVE SOMEBODY GET OUT OF SERVICE THERE THAT KIND OF YOU'RE YEAH WE WERE CONSIDERING JUST OPENING UP AS A MEETING SPACE AT THE DIVISION I WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE VENDOR THERE THAT'S PROVIDING THE SERVICE AND JUST OVERALL CLUBHOUSE IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING

TO PUT SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENCES ASIDE FOR FOR AN UPDATE YOU KNOW SOLDIERS IF I REMEMBER RIGHT YOU'RE LUCKY TO HAVE SOMEBODY THERE AND WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO START THERE AND KIND OF GET THEIR FEET WET AND THEN SEE HOW THEIR BUSINESS IS DOING IS THEY'RE REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY THAT IS CORRECT AND ALSO THERE WAS AN INVESTMENT ON THE PART OF THE VENDOR THAT WAS PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT THEY PUT IN THE ON THE KITCHEN IT'S USUALLY WE READ THAT TO THEM AND THEN WE TRY TO PARTNER ON THE THE SHARED FACILITY THAT THAT VENDOR INVESTED IN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING SHORT OF THE CHECKING POINT OF THE CLUBHOUSE THE FLOORING FROM THE DINING FACILITY DINING AREA WHICH OUR GOLFERS USE A LOT AND AND SO THEY CAME IN WITH INVESTMENT WHICH THAT'S PROBABLY I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THAT IN THE CUSTOMER REMEMBERS QUESTIONS FROM IT SEVERAL OF OUR VENDORS HAVE INVESTED WE DON'T HAVE A VENDOR IN-HOUSE IS THAT CORRECT WE DON'T WHAT WE DO THERE IS WE KEEP IT PREPACKAGED GOODS AND WE SHARE THAT REVENUE WITH THE FIRST KEY PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THE VENDING AND IT'S TURNED OUT TO BE A GOOD FUNDRAISER FOR THEM BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE IS THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE PRESENCE YEAH FORMER STORM NOT TO I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY I GUESS BUT FIRST OF ALL I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY AS WELL IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO FIND SOMEONE TO TAKE THE FOOD BEVERAGE AND HONOR THESE FACILITIES BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN WHAT I WOULD SAY A STELLAR OPPORTUNITY CORRECT WELL COME IN FOR ME I THINK YOU KNOW THE SCIENCE OF YEAH THAT LOCATION IS EVERYTHING YES AND AND HISTORY OF OUR CLUB PEOPLE WOULD GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO YOU KNOW TO HAVE THAT HAVE TO

EAT AS OUR CLUBHOUSES BUT EVEN SOLDIERS FIELD AND NORTHERN THEIR KIND OF OFF THE BEATEN PATH THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD AND I KNOW THAT MEANS A LOT SIGNAGE AND AND CONVENIENCES OPERATING >> IN THEIR OWN >> THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE AND SO WHEN WE GET PEOPLE APPROACHING US SAYING WE WANT TO MAKE THIS WORK WE'VE GOT A GOOD PLAN WE SIT DOWN AND WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND IT'S TURNED OUT IN BOTH THOSE LOCATIONS IT'S WORKING OUT RATHER WELL THEY SEEM TO BE HAPPY WITH THE BUSINESS THEY'RE BRINGING LIKE YOU AND MR. PARRISH PEOPLE WANTED TO USE UPON SO IT IS OUR COURSES ARE OUR ABOVE PAR EXPERIENCE TOO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT YOU KNOW FOR A MUNICIPAL COURSE WE HAVE VERY NICE COURSES I KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY SON'S AND LAID OUT THREE OF THE FOUR I BELIEVE WE HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR THAT'S RIGHT AND I GOT TO PLAY I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY A THREE AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HOW NICE THEY ARE HOW WELL THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS AND I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR YOUTH TO GET UP THE SCREEN GET OUTSIDE LEARN THE SPORT LEARN ETIQUETTE I MEAN THAT'S AWESOME ETIQUETTE FOR THIS SPORT AND SPILL OVER INTO A LOT OF THINGS THAT'S BENEFICIAL FOR US YOU SO REAL REAL NICE HERE YOU BRING UP THE PROGRAM AND ALL OF THAT THANK YOU YEAH NO JUST TO WRAP UP WE'VE WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN MAYOR TALKING ABOUT GOLF AND IT'S BEEN FRUSTRATING TO ME I DON'T GOLF I'VE NEVER GOLFED I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS OF GOLF BUT I DON'T HELP BUT THIS GOLF COURSE DOWNTOWN IS FLAT IT IS CLOSED TO ALL THE HOTELS WHERE PEOPLE COME TO VISIT IT'S GOOD FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES AND IN THE SOLDIER FIELD AREA AND I

FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THIS FIGHT YOU HAVE DONE WHAT WE ASKED YOU TO DO YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY AND EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE I JUST WANT TO REMIND THOSE COUNSELORS AS I WON'T BE HAVING THIS FIGHT MOVING FORWARD YOU WILL I PERSONALLY THINK IT IS INAPPROPRIATE TO PICK ON ONE SPORT JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO PLAY I DON'T THINK IT'S YOUR THING WHEN WE SUBSIDIZE HOCKEY WE SUBSIDIZE OUR PARKS WE SUBSIDIZE OUR TRAILS WE SUBSIDIZE WE SUBSIDIZE WE SUBSIDIZE ALL THESE OTHER SPORTS AND YET NO ONE HAS PICKED ON THAT WE HAVE JUST BEEN PICKING ON GOLF SO I WOULD SAY IN THE FUTURE I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THE OTHER SPORTS WE'RE SUBSIDIZING LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL AND NOT JUST CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON GOLF WHICH IS A GREAT ACTIVITY FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES TO GET OUTSIDE AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE NEVER DONE IT AND I NEVER WILL DO IT SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU GOOD LUCK SCHOOL I KNOW IT'S INAPPROPRIATE I KNOW WE WERE NOT INVITED BUT I DO HAVE MY PRESENTATION BECAUSE I JUST DON'T IT'S ALL RIGHT TO TRANSITION OUT OF GOLF I'M GOING TO TRY TO SPEED THINGS UP HERE YES WE ARE AT OUR ONE WORD AND I KNOW I DON'T HEAR ABOUT THOSE OTHER THINGS DRIVING BUDGET THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A TEAM AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE COUNCIL TO SAY THESE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU WANT TO LOOK AT BEFORE YOU RECEIVE THE CITY ADMINISTRATORS RECOMMENDED BUDGET IN AUGUST SO LABOR COSTS AND HEALTH INSURANCE WERE FEELING PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT A LOT OF MULTI YEAR LABOR AGREEMENTS NEGOTIATE THAT 3% WAGE ADJUSTMENT WE ARE GOING TO APPLY THAT TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL SALARY BEGINNING IN 27 CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS CONVERSATION WE'RE ALSO ON A BIT OF A JOURNEY ABOUT LOOKING AT REDESIGNING OUR HEALTH PLANS SO THAT'S A COST DRIVER FOR US BUT IT'S ALSO A TRACTION AND RETENTION ITEM FOR US AS WELL SO WE HAVE FOUND THE RIGHT BALANCE ON THAT NOTE PLAN NEW DEBT ISSUANCE FOR 27 WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT FIRE STATION FIGHTING OPTIONS AT LEAST

THAT'S TAXPAYER SUPPORTED DEBT THEY'RE CERTAINLY ENTERPRISE FUND SUPPORTED DEBT THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION BUT THAT IS STILL VERY MUCH FOR A FIRE STATION WHILE STILL VERY MUCH BEING EVALUATED THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT FEEL I MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL THINGS HAPPENING AND INFLATIONARY PRESSURES HAPPENING SO WE'RE BUDGETED ABOUT A 3% INCREASE IN OUR FUEL BUDGET IF WE GET OUTSIDE OF THAT YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THE PRICE OF GAS PRICES ARE GOING UP IF WE CONSISTENTLY STAY THERE THAT MIGHT BE A DRIVER IN OUR BUDGET THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR SOME OF THE IMPACTS TO LIQUID NATURAL GAS CAN DRIVE UTILITY RATES BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTION HAPPENING IN THAT NATURAL GAS MARKET SO COULD FILL UP ON PEOPLE'S POWER BILLS WITH THE YOU KNOW I MEAN WHAT THE ADJUSTMENT THERE BUT ALSO YOU KNOW WHERE ARE UTILITY CUSTOMER AND SO CAN SHOW UP ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE AS WELL WE HAVE SOME WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS WE LOOK AT THE NORTHWEST AND TRYING TO MATCH THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING THAT'S HAPPENED THEY'LL SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING IN ORDER FOR US TO EFFECTIVELY BE PLANNING FOR THAT WE MAY NEED TO THINK ABOUT SOME SOME ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE THERE AIR SERVICE NEEDS UP AND SORT OF YOU KNOW LAID OUT THE NEEDS THERE LESS BOTH IN TRANSIT AND IN THE AIRPORT WE HAD YOU KNOW SOME OF THAT FEDERAL CARES FUNDING THAT'S KIND OF NAVIGATING AWAY IN THOSE SPACES TO BUT WE STILL NEED PASSENGERS AND HEAD COUNT AND SO YOU KNOW WE HAVE FUNDS THAT WE RETAIN TO ENCOURAGE THAT NO OUTSIDE AGENCY PROCESS CONTEMPLATED WE HAD THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS IDENTIFIED LAST YEAR WE'RE PROJECTING TO ROLL THOSE FORWARD SO YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT ALSO IT'S A HOT TOPIC AT TIMES IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD 27 DECISION PACKAGES THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE 2627 BUDGET CERTAINLY THERE ARE A

NUMBER OF THOSE THAT WERE NOT FUNDED THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE FUNDED SO THERE ARE ABOUT $2 MILLION OF I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THEM I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LIST BUT ERP PROJECT CONTINGENCY IS THE LARGEST ONE WE'RE STILL ON THE JOURNEY WITH THE RFP PROJECT WHICH IS ROLLING OUT NICELY WE HAVE TO POLICE POSITIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED $320,000 IN THE BUDGET THEY HAVE A REVISED THEIR REQUEST IN THAT SPACE TO GO ONE OFFICER ONE OUTREACH FOCUSED POSITION SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ADJUSTMENT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NET SAVINGS IN THAT SPACE AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER POSITIONS PARTICULARLY IN THIS SPACE JUST AS THE ORGANIZATION NEEDS GROW WE HAVE MORE NEEDS AND WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE A GREAT JOB OF 24 SEVEN OR YOU KNOW MORE AROUND THE CLOCK COVERAGE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ENTERPRISES A LOT OF OPERATIONS THAT ARE NOT DAYTIME STAFFING SITUATIONS COUNCILMEMBER CULVER SO OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS SO TO SEE US ALL YOU'RE LOOKING FOR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THEIR REGULAR OFFICERS IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES OR THE CAPTAIN COMMUNITY ACTION TEAM SO YEAH IT'S IT'S MAYBE A BAD LABEL FOR THAT ONE BUT IT'S TO LICENSE TO OUR OFFICERS BUT THAT SWITCH TO ONE ONE OUTREACH FOR OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH YOU KNOW SO SO THE LAST REPORT WE GOT WE'RE SPENDING OVER $2 MILLION ON THE HOMELESS WHERE DOES THE COUNTY STEP UP HERE WHERE IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IF WE DON'T GET ANY FUNDING FROM THE STATE FOR THE FOR THIS DO WE YOU KNOW NOT MATERIAL MONEY FOR US THAT WAY I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I THINK YOUR BROADER CONVERSATION NOT TO BE SOLVED WITH THIS PARTICULAR PIECE PROBABLY BUT YOUR BROADER CONVERSATION IN THAT SPACE REALLY IS WHETHER WE INVEST IN IT OR NOT WE INCUR THE SERVICE IMPACT OF IT AND SO IT'S PART OF THE ECOSYSTEM WE HAVE THE FIBER OF THE COUNTY AND I HAVE

HEARD OREGON IS OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW INVOLVED IN A GROUP THAT WORKS SPECIFICALLY ON THAT BUT WE WILL RECEIVE IMPACT ON THIS WHETHER WE DECIDE TO DO DISPOSITIONS OR NOT I THINK THAT THE GOAL IS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT AND SHORTEN THAT CURVE GET PEOPLE INTO HOUSING SO THAT'S THAT'S THE FOCUS THERE BUT YEAH IT'S AN ONGOING COLLABORATION OF THE COUNTY THEY CERTAINLY ARE LEADING THE SOCIAL SERVICE SPACE THE OUTREACH SPACE AND THE ACTION TEAMS AROUND GETTING PEOPLE HOUSE WE WE'RE SPENDING SOME MONEY INVESTMENTS LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE SHOULD GET SOME BENEFIT OF THAT SO WE'RE NOT ALWAYS HAVING TO ADD OFFICERS LEFT AND RIGHT SO SO THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT INQUISITIVE ABOUT THAT SO COULD I I THINK PART OF HOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE PAST IS THAT THE COUNTY DOES PROVIDE THOSE SOCIAL SERVICES AND THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THE WARMING SHELTER WHICH IS A PLACE THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO WHITE PEOPLE TO SO THAT THEY ARE NOT ENGAGED IN THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY IN PUBLIC SPACES THAT CREATE THE CONCERNS THAT REQUIRE A RESPONSE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHETHER THAT'S FROM REGULAR PATROL OR THESE TARGETED POSITIONS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THINGS AND MITIGATE THE IMPACT AS IS POINTED OUT SO THE 2 MILLION IS ABSORBED ACROSS THE ENTIRE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET WITH EXISTING EMPLOYEES ARE JUST SAYING THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICE IF YOU WOULD EQUATE THAT TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY'RE SPENDING ON OUTREACH OR RESPONDING FOR SOME SORT OF BEHAVIOR THAT'S RELATED TO SOMEONE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS BUT IT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THEIR RESPONSE TIME SO WOULD YOU HAVE THAT REGARDLESS YES I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS MITIGATE HOW MUCH OF THEIR PATROL COSTS ARE GOING DIRECTLY TO THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE AND TARGET AND FOCUS THAT TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CALLS FOR THE SAME PERSON OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHICH OVER TIME SHOULD MITIGATE HOW MUCH OF THE POLICE BUDGET IF YOU WILL BASED ON

CALLS FOR SERVICE IS GOING TOWARDS THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE DOES THAT HELP AT ALL AND THEN REALLY I GUESS MY POINT BEING IS THAT YOU KNOW THE WARMING SHELTER SIX YEARS AGO THE MAYOR PUSHED HARD TO GET A WARMING SHELTER IN ROCHESTER AND THEN AN OVERNIGHT SHELTER IN THE CITY $2 IN THERE TO HELP WITH THAT NOW THE COUNTY'S PAYING FOR THAT THEMSELVES YOU KNOW THE MORE THAT WE DO FOR THEM AND THE MORE THAT WE DO FOR THE SEVEN COUNTIES SURROUNDING US WHO COULD TRANSPORT PEOPLE HERE AND SAY HERE ROCHESTER IS A GREAT PLACE THEIR SERVICES IS NOT HELPING US AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING THIS PROBLEM IS WE'RE HIRING MORE PEOPLE WE JUST CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS COUNCILMEMBER MILLER I GUESS IN THE INTEREST OF TIME ON THIS TOPIC IT FEELS LIKE A BROADER STUDY SESSION TOPIC PERHAPS AND I DON'T SEE IT ON OUR CALENDAR BUT I KNOW WE'VE HAD OUR PD COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF CALLS FOR SERVICE THE RESOURCES GOING INTO THAT AND WE HEARD THAT THE AVERAGE POSITION WAS BEING VERY EFFECTIVE SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT'S BEEN COMMITTED TO SCALE UP BUT I WONDER IF WE COULD BRING IT BACK OF THE FUTURE STUDIES I SHOULD HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DISCUSSION ABOUT FIRE STATION SIX THAT I KNOW WE HAD A GRAND POSSIBILITY THAT WAS MAYBE CHANGING SOME OF THE STAFFING MODEL AND I SEE THAT NECESSARILY ON THE STUDY SESSION CALENDAR AND I THINK BOTH OF THOSE AS BEING LIKE I LOVE THE IMPLICATION AREA OF THE CITY SERVICES WOULD BE I WOULD RATHER HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION AND NOT OTHER COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND STRESSED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE ONLY OVER AN HOUR I KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THIS AS WELL AS I THINK IT MAY BE JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER IN A DEEPER WAY AND WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING WHETHER I KNOW YOU ASKED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY EVALUATION OVERALL AND THEY IN OUR STAFF OR CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT SUMMER THERE MIGHT BE A

ADDITIONAL OR SO AGAIN JUST TO ACCELERATE THE CONVERSATION THIS IS BASICALLY THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WAS THE POLICY CROSSWALK SO BECAUSE WE REVIEW THAT ACTUALLY HERE A NOTABLE OTHER SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET ITEMS WILL BE NAVIGATING A CITY ADMINISTRATOR ZONES PREPARES A RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO WORK WITH US TO REALLOCATION WE DO HAVE A REQUEST THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO RENOVATE PUBLIC MUSIC SPACE INTO AN ADDITIONAL ONE ON FOUR LIKE SPACE THAT IS CLOSER AND MORE PUBLIC FACING I THINK YOU'LL NOTE THAT AT CERTAIN NIGHTS WHERE WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING AND WE WERE AT A COMMISSION MEETING AND WHILE FOR BUT THEN WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION AND THEY GET PIVOTED OUT TO 320 SO THERE'S THE QUESTION ON WHETHER HAVING A CLOSER CONNECTED SPACE FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WHERE WE CAN DO BOARDS AND COMMISSION WORK AS WELL AS YOU KNOW NAVIGATING OVER FOR COUNCIL CLOSED SESSIONS AND THEN THIS STUDY SESSION RIGHT SO HERE THIS IS A DESIRE TO BE THERE ON THE TABLE YOU KNOW RECONFIGURING THE ROOM YOU KNOW THIS IS AS GOOD AS WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THIS SPACE IN TERMS OF THE EXPERIENCE WE CAN CREATE FOR YOU HERE AND THIS IS JUST PROVIDE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK THAT SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT POLICY DIRECTION AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN MAKE MANY MANY THINGS WORK IN TERMS OF HOW THAT GOES AND ALSO WHAT THAT PEER COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE CONVERSATION WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW IS THERE SPACES WHERE A CUSTOMER IS GOING TO BE OUR CONSTITUENTS AND SO ON SO THAT NEEDS TO BE MET THERE AS WELL LET ME HAVE SINCE SINCE I WAS AN ADVOCATE OF CITY AND STILL AM I I WOULD SAY ONE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF STICKER SHOCK FROM THE FIGURE THERE SO I THINK YOU KNOW SEEING SOME ITEMIZED

INFORMATION ON YOU KNOW WHAT THAT COULD PROVIDE BUT JUST TO SPEAK TO BE A NEED I THINK I THINK AROUND THE TABLE WE ALL FEEL DESPITE MY STRESS SOMETIMES IN THE LONG DISCUSSIONS I I THINK WE ALL FEEL THAT WE ARE HAVING A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION AND REALLY BEING MORE DELIBERATIVE IN THESE STUDY SESSIONS THAT ARE MUCH MORE INFORMAL AND SO I REALLY STAND IN NEED FOR PERMANENT SPACE WHETHER THAT PERMANENT SPACE HAPPENS THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PLACEHOLDER AND SAY FROM A BETTER PUBLIC MEETING STANDPOINT HAVING SPACE WHERE OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE SITTING ON THE SIDE CAN SEE US WHERE WE >> WE HAVE THE THE THE MIKES AND THE ABILITY TO TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR OUR OUR STUDY SESSIONS I THINK IS IMPORTANT AND THAT HEARING DID SPEAK TO JUST THE NEED FOR SPACE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND AND AND OTHER MEETINGS THAT THAT KIND OF STAFF HAVE AS WELL SO SO I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT BE THERE AND THAT'S WHAT TO IT YOU KNOW SEEING SEEING WHAT WHAT THOSE KINDS OF THERE COUNCILMAN KNOW WHAT WE WE HAVE AN IDEA WHERE MUSIC WOULD BE RELOCATED AND WHAT WOULD BE HIGHLY ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE YEAH AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS IT'S LIKE A RELOCATION OF MUSIC LIKE BEING THAT A THREE 23RD FLOOR AREA SO AGAIN WITHIN CITY HALL THAT HOME FACILITY BUT ALSO TRYING TO MANAGE SOME OF THEIR FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL STORAGE NEEDS MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN YOU KNOW CURRENTLY IN AND OUT THAT THEY'RE DOING NOW

WHEREAS IN A GARAGE OR THROUGH A TRAILER SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THAT AND THEN WE'RE IN THE COST DRIVER IS THAT RELOCATION THE RETROFIT OF THE SPACE BUT THEN MAYBE YOU KNOW I THINK IF YOUR EXPERIENCE GROUP COMMUNITY ROOM WOULD BE A SIMILAR MAYBE SET UP TO THAT WHICH IS NOT INEXPENSIVE YOU KNOW KINDS OF THINGS BUT THAT THOSE ARE LIKE YOUR KIND OF YOUR THREE ANCHORS IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT 680 ACRES COST FOR COUNCIL >> MEMBER OF POWER I THINK CREATES A LOT OF MONEY BUT I THINK ROOM 104 TO ME IS A BETTER ROOM FOR US TO MEET THAN WE ARE HERE AND SO I'VE SAID THAT FOR A COUPLE TIMES BUT I THINK THAT SET UP AS FAR AS HAVING OTHER COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND MONEY LATER THAT'S JUST IT JUST CHANGE THAT CALENDAR AND HAVE A READ ON THE DIFFERENT NIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY CAN THEY CAN MEET UP ON ONE THING THAT WE SKIPPED OVER THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT BUT HERE IS THAT I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR A COUPLE RESTAURANTS OR PEOPLE NOT TO BE IN FAVOR OF THAT THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT CREDIT CARD FEE YEAH AND I WOULD JUST SPEAK TO THAT SCHEDULING I THINK IT CAN BE EXCEPT THE FACT THAT WITH THIS BUILDING WHERE MONDAY WEDNESDAY AND EVERY OTHER FRIDAY HERE BECAUSE WE SPLIT UP THE SPACE WITH THE COUNTY SO WE START TALKING ABOUT LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION ETC. LIKE WE HAVE LIMITED TIMES WE COULD BE IN THIS ROOM AND YOU KNOW WE JUST HAVE A LOT MORE FOLKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN A MINUTE YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY AT CITY HALL AND I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST WHEN WE'RE HAVING LIKE THE LIKE A PET COMMITTEE MEET LIKE IT BECOMES LIKE A CLOSED SESSION OR SOMETHING WHICH IS THE CONFLICT AND THEY'RE LIKE 320 WHICH IT SOUNDS INTUITIVE FOR PEOPLE TO NAVIGATE THEIR WAY THERE AND SO THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE DRAWBACKS NOT IMPOSSIBLE THINGS TO DO IT BUT I JUST THE THINGS I TO THE RADAR THINK ABOUT THAT DECISION OKAY COUNCIL MEMBER WE HAVE TWO MORE COUNCIL MEMBER KING YEAH I WAS

KIND OF CUTTING THROUGH TO THE END HERE AND TRYING TO SAY LIKE WHAT ARE THE BIGGER THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING A SUPPLEMENTAL AND KIND OF LOOKING AT BUT THE ONE CHART THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME MORE IS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WE'RE PROJECTING 7.5% INCREASES EVERY YEAR WITH JUST WITHOUT KNOWING THE FIRE STATION WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT OTHER KINDS OF THINGS ARE GOING TO COME IN IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE NOT IN A CONTROLLED POSTURE IF OUR IF OUR YOU KNOW OUR LABOR COSTS NOW AND CURRENT THINGS IS MORE OF A FOUR AND A HALF TO 5.5% INCREASE I THINK THAT'S THE STARTING POINT THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE I'M LOOKING OUT THERE 2027 WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT TAKING ON DEBT FOR A FIRE STATION WHAT DOES THAT DO TO 7.5% SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO STEP BACK AS OPPOSED TO TALKING ABOUT WHAT MORE WE CAN DO ONE EXAMPLE IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL BUDGET IS I MEAN I JUST THINK WE'VE DONE ENOUGH WITH OUR MEETING ROOMS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE SPENT IT OUR TO YOU WE SPENT HERE WE SPENT TWO 1 OR 4 I JUST DON'T SEE IT I THINK RIGHT NOW WE NEED A MORATORIUM AND SAY AND LEAVE THOSE THINGS BE AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT CAN BE HANDLED WITHIN BUDGET BUT THIS IDEA OF LIKE SAYING AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO WE REALLY DO NEED A DIFFERENT MINDSET 7.5% FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT A 4% INCREASE IN PREP YOU KNOW IN THE TAX PAYING GROUP BUT BUT THREE 8% OF THAT IS JUST APPRECIATION ON OUR PROPERTIES IT'S NOT NEW TAXPAYERS COMING IN SO I JUST THINK IN THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE STARTING POINT YEARS SHOULD BE WE CAN'T BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO BE DOING WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE CONTAIN OR CONSTRAIN THIS BECAUSE THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD RIGHT NOW I MEAN I KNOW THERE'S THE ABILITY TO GO THROUGH A 7% INCREASE AND WE CAN DO THAT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE BUT TO SAY THIS IS THE NEW BENCH THE NEW STARTING POINT IT'S IT'S DISTURBING COUNCILMEMBER MILLER YEAH IT WAS JUST A POINT THAT I ACTUALLY THINK THE CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AT THE END OF YEAR AND ON ASSOCIATION CALENDAR ABOUT THE GROWTH PATTERN AND THE URBAN THREE AND

FOUR ANALYSIS WILL BE AN INTERESTING STARTING POINT FOR THOSE WE HAD ABOUT 1% THE NEW CONSTRUCTION RELATED TO THE INCREASE IN ESTIMATED MARKET VALUE THIS YEAR WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER ALMOST HALF OF LAST YEAR'S SO I THINK HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT GIVES US ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL PRODUCTIVITY VERSUS WHAT PUTS ADDITIONAL STRAIN ON OUR BUDGET I WOULD I SHARE A COUPLE AMERICANS CONCERNS I WONDER HOW WE TRY TO TARGET STORES AND HELP REDEVELOPMENT AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE ACTION PLAN AND THE KPI AND I THINK SOME OTHER BENCHMARKS TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE SERVICE INCREASES I WOULD RATHER TRY TO THAT AND SHOW PEOPLE THAT WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY AT THE BUDGET LEVEL BEFORE WE PROJECT OUT THESE INCREASES I KNOW IT'S PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BUT I DO SHARE THOSE CONCERNS ON THE MEETING ROOM I MEAN I SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT I THINK WE NEED TO I THINK STAFF HAVE BEEN GREAT IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS ROOM AND I'VE ALSO UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE ARE ALSO MAYBE WITH WIRELESS MICROPHONES ADDITIONAL CAPABILITIES I'D RATHER WEAR THOSE AND HAVE MAYBE A LONGER GLIDE PATH THAT WILL HELP THE PRESIDENT TO BRING ON THE MEETING ROOM CHANGE AND I'VE ALSO HEARD MANY OTHERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT GETTING UP MORE INTO THE COMMUNITY AND INVESTING IN THOSE AREAS RATHER THAN EXPECTING THAT THE COMMUNITY JUST COMES TO FIND US HERE OR ACROSS THE HALLWAY SO I'M HESITANT ON THAT SPENDING AT LEAST IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL YEAR I WOULD RATHER TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE GO THROUGH STRATEGIC PLANNING AGAIN NEXT YEAR WITH A YOU KNOW START OF A NEW COUNCIL TWO YEAR BUDGET SO I'M HESITANT ON THAT EXPENSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION SO I THINK THERE'S SINCE I'M DISCUSSION HERE IT'S BEEN INTERESTING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROJECTING WHEN WE SETTLE OUR UNION CONTRACTS WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND WE HAVE NEVER WE HAVE VOTED RIGHT AS A COUNCIL ITEM AS I

SAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE INCREASES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY THREE YEAR INCREASES SO WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE HOW DO WE FIGURE DOWN THE GROWTH SO THIS GROWTH AND PROJECTING WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD BE ON OUR BUDGETS SO I THINK THAT'S TO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION I THINK TO COUNCILMEMBER MILLER'S POINT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT AND UNDERSTAND ALSO THE PRIOR CITY GROWTH THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE MAYBE PROJECTED THE IMPACT ON SERVICE LEVELS THAT YOU ALL GET TO BE HERE NOW FOR THAT PLUS THE NEW GROWTH THAT'S COMING SO I JUST WANT TO JUST POINT OUT THAT THERE'S TIME BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST WHERE WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT EMPLOYMENT SERVICES COSTS THINGS OF THAT NATURE THE WAY THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED HERE TRADITIONALLY AS WE BUDGET FOR LIKE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON FAMILY HEALTH INSURANCE WHEN THAT CHANGES THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT VALUE LAST YEAR BUT THEN I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WILL CONTINUE GOING FORWARD SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WILL BE A HIGHER NUMBER BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME TO YOU AND EXPLAIN THESE WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE THERE HELPFUL TO GET THE FEEDBACK THAT WE DID TODAY IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FORWARD AND IT IS A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED LONG RANGE FINANCIAL PLAN OUTLOOK WHERE WE CAN BRING INTO EFFECT WHERE WE THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPMENT HOW WE'VE REALLY NOT TALKED ABOUT HOW SOME OF THOSE INCREASE NEW CONSTRUCTION VALUES WOULD WORK THAT'S NOT PROJECTED INTO THIS FORECAST BECAUSE THE FORECASTING IT'S CHALLENGING AND ALL OF THE OPERATIONAL THINGS COME TO BEAR BUT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS LIKE A MEETING ROOM SO THAT'S HELPFUL FOR US TOO SO I ASK THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES ME NERVOUS WHEN I HEAR WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CAIN SAID WHICH IS WE HAVE A 7% INCREASE THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO PANIC OVER HERE NOW BUT THAT'S PART OF THE STORY AND IT HAS TO DO WITH SALARY INCREASES THAT HAS TO DO WITH INFLATION THAT WE DO CONSIDER MOVING AHEAD BUT WE DO

NOT YET CONSIDER GROWTH AND THE IMPACTS ON PROPERTY TAXES AND THOSE OTHER THINGS AND SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I'M TRYING TO SAY THIS UP FRONT THAT THERE IS A 7% INCREASE IN EVERYBODY'S LEVY FOR THE NEXT X AMOUNT OF YEARS THAT IS HOW MUCH OUR EXPENDITURES ARE GOING TO BE WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT OUR REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE AND WE DO TRY TO FORECAST BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A SUPER FINANCE FORECASTING TEMPORARY EVENT THAT WE'RE USING WE BUILT IN TO PAST BUT WE THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY WORK CAPACITY OR CAPITAL CAPACITY BUT OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT GET MITIGATED IF THERE'S NOT LIKE THE POLITICAL CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS EITHER RIGHT NOW OR WE COULD LOOK AT DOING THEM DIFFERENTLY WE DO HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS BASED ON OUR OUR LABOR SITUATION AND SO THAT ANY TIME THOSE THINGS CAN BE LOOKED AT AS WELL FOR EXAMPLE THE ABILITY TO HAVE EXPERIENCED ROCHESTER DO SOME OF THE EVENTS WHEN THEY FLEX UP AND DOWN AND UTILIZE THE LODGING TAX POTENTIALLY IF THAT GROWS BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT PROGRAMING THAT WE WOULD LIKE A DIFFERENT MODEL FOR DOING THAT PROGRAMING RIGHT A MODEL WHERE THEY ALWAYS ARE BRINGING PEOPLE IN VERSUS HAVING THEM THERE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FROM THE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES OF INFLATION AND TARIFFS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING YOU KNOW PRICE OF FUEL RIGHT NOW WHICH IS IMPACTING OUR BUDGET WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THAT AND IT WAS JUST FUNDAMENTAL THAT OKAY AND FOR THE SAKE OF TIME I ACCELERATED TO THE LAST SLIDE HERE LET'S GET LET'S GET COUNCILMEMBER FREDERICKS ON ONE THING I HESITATE TO SAY OUT LOUD TO IT IT'S GOT TO BE SAID WE DON'T VERY OFTEN TALK ABOUT CLEANING STAFF OR CUTTING PROGRAMS THAT AREN'T BEING UTILIZED THERE IS TO THE BEST OF OUR DOLLARS WORTH FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD SO I THINK WE CAN'T BE AFRAID TO LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE JUST MAYBE NOT THAT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCILMEMBER GOREN SAID

EARLIER YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE WHO IS BENEFITING FROM AND HOW MUCH IS IT I MEAN LOOKING AT LOOKING AT OUR BANG FOR OUR BUCK AND MAKING THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS BECAUSE STAFFING IS OUR MOST EXPENSIVE ITEM ON OUR BUDGET SO I THINK LOOKING AT THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE UTILIZING ALL OF OUR STAFF AND ALL OF OUR PROGRAMING TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL AND THEN LOOKING AT THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU KNOW WHAT MAYBE WE HAVE TO CUT SOME THINGS AND THAT OBVIOUSLY HELPS THE BOTTOM LINE OR HOW ABOUT YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE YEAH I'LL >> JUST ADD THAT I THINK THAT I THINK COUNCILMEMBER MILLER REALLY SET A BAR WHEN IF WE SEE A STRUCTURAL IMBALANCE IN SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THAT BUT WE CAN'T FORGET THAT WE ARE IN A GROWING CITY AND THE NEEDS ARE BECOMING GREATER AND THOSE NEEDS ARE BECOMING GREATER AND ALL LEVELS AND SO WE AS COUNCIL WHILE WE HAVE TO BE VERY STRONG STEWARDS TO TO THE FUNDS WE USE WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE TO PUSH THAT ENVELOPE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND YOU KNOW A SMALL THING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OR ENGAGEMENT AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL IT'S NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DO AND I THINK THE STAFF IS DOING AN AMAZING JOB THIS YEAR OF REALLY GETTING US OFF THE DIAS HERE AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MODEL THAT WE CAN WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE BETTER I THINK STAFF ALSO IS CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH MATERIALS SO THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS AND WHO ARE AROUND US HERE TODAY CAN MEET WITH US

AND SO I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE BUT AS I WANT TO HAVE A ROWING IN THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT REALM BECAUSE THE VERY HAVE COME TO US AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR SO BUT I THINK GOOD REPORT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION SO I GUESS IT'S WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE TO NATURAL GAS GRANT SO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND WE HAVE THE OTHER AREA IN WHERE I DO THAT'S LIKE THAT I DON'T LIKE I EVEN IN COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILMEMBERS MAYOR NORTON ERIN LOXTON DEPUTY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND WITH ME TONIGHT IS GAIL THAT'S ALL OUR SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR AND WE'RE HERE TO GIVE YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THE RESULTS OF OUR NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE WE ARE ENGAGED ONE SESSION SO WE'RE KIND OF GOING OUT OF HERE AND THAT'S A CANDIDATE AND SO FAR IT'S NICE YEAH SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER IN THE NEXT HANDFUL OF MINUTES HERE IS WILL BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT BACKGROUND PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR THE DISCUSSION AND A REFRESHER FEEL AS I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT OVERVIEW OF ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY THE ENGAGEMENT RESULTS AND THEN OUR STAFF

RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT TO EXPECT FOR NEXT STEPS ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE RIGHT UP FRONT IS WITH THE PACKET WAS ALSO OUR FULL FINAL REPORT THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION IN THAT REPORT THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER TONIGHT IN THIS PRESENTATION SO SO JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE A REFRESHER WHAT IS A NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE FEE IS A FEE COLLECTED THROUGH OUR NATURAL GAS COMPANY WHICH IS MINNESOTA ENERGY RESOURCES FOR THE ROSS AREA HERE FOR THE USE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND IT IS COLLECTED THROUGH CUSTOMER UTILITY BILLS SO THEY SEE IT ON THEIR NATURAL GAS BILL THE MINNESOTA ENERGY COLLECTS THAT AND THEN REMITS IT BACK TO THE CITY SO THAT'S HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS IT IS AUTHORIZED UNDER MINNESOTA STATUTE 2016 B .36 IF YOU WANT TO READ THAT IT'S A PRETTY BRIEF STATUTE BUT IT TALKS ABOUT THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT AND THEN THE CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET BY IMPLEMENTING THE CITY IS GET TO DETERMINE WHETHER TO IMPLEMENT A FEE IS OPTIONAL HOW THAT FEE IS STRUCTURED AND THEN ALSO HOW THE FUNDS ARE USED THOSE ARE ALL LOCAL WATER DECISIONS JUST A REFRESHER REMINDER ON WHY THIS WAS EXPLORED WHAT IT IS IN THE COUNCIL ACTION PLAN AND SO AS A MEANS OF LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE CITY COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC PRIORITY AROUND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS RELATED TO THAT LOOKED AT AS A POTENTIAL LOCAL STABLE FUNDING SOURCE TO HELP NOT OFFSET GRANTS OR GET A LOT OF MONEY FROM GRANTS OR FROM FEDERAL AND STATE EMPLOYMENT PROGRAMS BUT TO HELP ACCELERATE THOSE EVEN THROUGH MATCHING FUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO OPEN UP ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES BUT IT ALSO DOES PROVIDE A STABLE FUNDING SOURCE WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH FLUCTUATIONS WITHIN AVAILABLE FUNDING AND THE RESULT THERE THE OTHER KEY THING I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE HERE IS THAT IT ALSO THE CITY HAS THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION REDUCTION GOALS AND SO

THIS IS A WAY TO HELP REDUCE RELIANCE ON NATURAL GAS AND AND ACHIEVE SOME ENERGY EFFICIENCY SO WITH OR SO JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE CONTEXT BENCHMARKING AGAINST MINNESOTA SO ONE THERE'S A LITTLE MORE THAT A LITTLE OVER 200 OF THE CITIES THAT CURRENTLY ARE IMPLEMENTING NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE FEE IS ABOUT 800 CITIES AND MINNESOTA'S ABOUT 25% OF THEM HAVE IN NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE FEE WE DID A DEEP DIVE INTO 90 OF THOSE CITIES AS PART OF OUR OUR RESEARCH WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE IS 31 OF THEM WILL START TO SHOW A GRAPH WITH ALL 90 ON THEIR CITIES ARE 31 OF THEM THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL FLAT FEE COMMERCIAL IS ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABILITY IN HOW YOU HANDLE COMMERCIAL BUT THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL FOR YEARS IS $3.50 PER MONTH 55% OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE RESEARCHED USE A TIERED FLAT FEE SO IT KIND OF RATCHETS UP BASED ON YOUR USAGE YOU HAVE SEVERAL TIERS PRIMARILY WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR AND THEN THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF HOW THE REVENUE IS USED BUT PREDOMINANTLY WITHIN ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMS INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS SUCH AS LIKE STREET PROGRAMS OR USUALLY DONE SORT OF USING ASSESSMENTS FOR PROJECTS LIKE THAT OR JUST GENERAL SERVICES THAT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL LEVY SO A WIDE VARIETY OF HOW HOW THAT FEE IS USED KEILAR EVERYONE THINKS FOR HAVING US SCALE ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE DID OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS SO THE ENGAGEMENT PERIOD AFTER WE CAME TO CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER AT THE STUDY SESSION AND KIND OF PRESENTED OUR ENGAGEMENT APPROACH WAS REALLY FROM DECEMBER OF 2025 THROUGH MARCH OF THIS YEAR WE HAD OVER 50 ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES SO THESE WERE THINGS LIKE DIRECT EMAIL LIST

COMMUNITY MEETINGS PRESENTATIONS SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSES AND WE REACHED OVER 3000 COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGH THESE EFFORTS AND RECEIVED OVER 200 SURVEY RESPONSES AND SO WE REALLY DESIGNED THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO BOTH BE ACCESSIBLE WITH IN-PERSON OPTIONS AND VIRTUAL OPTIONS AND FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FORMS OF ENGAGEMENT TO REFLECT ONE ANOTHER SO THAT WE COULD KIND OF LOOK AT THE RESULTS AND REPORT THEM OUT WE ALSO FOCUSED ON QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE ASPECTS TO KIND OF ALL OF THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE THAT WE MOVED FORWARD WITH SO THIS KIND OF SHOWS THE IN-PERSON VIRTUAL WEBSITE AND THEN OUR THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK FEEDBACK ONE IS THE SURVEY AND THIS PARTICULAR KIND OF SHOWS ONE OF THE POSTER BOARD AT ONE OF THE IN-PERSON EVENTS LOOKED LIKE AND THEN AGAIN THE VIRTUAL OPPORTUNITIES AND SURVEY LEVEL TO IF THAT QUESTIONS THAT A RESIDENT WOULD SEE IN PERSON AND SO THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY SO AGAIN THE IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL OPTIONS IN-PERSON WAS START VOTING VIRTUAL WITH POLLING AND THEN THE ONLINE SURVEY QUESTIONS QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE FEEDBACK AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO YOU KNOW EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS TOPIC FIRST AND THEN YOU KNOW ASK FOR THEIR FEEDBACK ON DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A MEDIA TOPIC AND AND SO WE FOUND THAT IT WORKED REALLY WELL TO KIND OF YOU KNOW BOTH HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY I CAN TO EXPLAIN THE CONCEPT MORE AND LIVE IN-PERSON ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS AND THEN ALSO I THINK THAT A REALLY THE STRONG PIECE OF THIS WAS ALL OF THE SMALLER GROUP DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD SO WE HAD OVER 20 I THINK IT WAS AROUND 20 SMALL GROUP CONVERSATIONS AND CONVERSATIONS YEAH AND SO THAT WAS REALLY WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO GATHER SOME GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WE DID ALSO WANT

TO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU KNOW WELL I THINK OUR EFFORTS WERE WERE BROAD WITH THIS BUT THIS PROJECT THERE WERE EXTERNAL INFLUENCES SO WE YOU KNOW ACTUALLY YOU KNOW MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS INCREASED DESIRE TO BE BOTH LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY AND SO THAT DID IMPACT CERTAIN COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THEIR ABILITY TO ENGAGE WITH THIS PROJECT SO I THINK WE WOULD JUST NOTE THAT YOU KNOW IF THERE WERE FUTURE PHASES OF THIS WORK TO NEED TO YOU KNOW FOCUS ON CONTINUED OUTREACH AND WORK THIS ENGAGEMENT SO NOW I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO SOME OF THE ENGAGEMENT RESULTS AND SO AGAIN THIS IS KIND OF COMBINING AND IN THE REPORT WE DO BREAK IT DOWN SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SURVEY THE IN-PERSON AND AND VIRTUAL WE BREAK ALL OF THAT DOWN IN THE REPORT INTO QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE AND THEN WE KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN SHOW THE OVERALL RESULTS SO WHEN WE COMBINE THE SURVEY RESPONSES AND AND THE IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS WE SEE THAT THERE WAS OVERALL 61% OF RESPONDENTS AND PARTICIPANTS IN THIS PROJECT SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT A FEE IN SOME FORM THE STRONGEST SUPPORT WAS FOR USING THE FEATURES BAND PROGRAMING AND THE SUPPORT WASN'T UNIVERSAL SO WE SAW ABOUT 39 SO ABOUT 40% PREFERRED TO KEEP THE CURRENT APPROACH SO NOT BE AND THIS THIS WILL LIKELY COME UP A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES BUT THROUGHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT WE REALLY YOU KNOW NOTICED THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO CONNECT THE FEE TO CLEAR PRACTICAL OUTCOMES TO PROGRAMS THAT DELIVER COMMUNITY BENEFITS TO TANGIBLE RESULTS AND COMMUNITY FACING BENEFITS SO THAT'S KIND OF A THEME THROUGHOUT THIS SO LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND I DON'T KNOW ON THE RESIDENTIAL

SIDE A MAJORITY OF PARTICIPANTS SAID THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT SOME MONTHLY FEE BUT THE WILLINGNESS TO SUPPORT THE FEE WAS DEFINITELY ON THE LOWER LOWER DOLLAR AMOUNT SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS CONCENTRATED SUPPORT IN THAT 1 TO $2 PER MONTH RANGE YOU KNOW WE FELT LIKE THIS REALLY YOU KNOW TOLD US THAT IT BALANCES KIND OF THAT AFFORDABILITY AND THAT IMPACT PIECE OF THAT AND SPEAKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY THOUGH THAT WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST PIECES OF FEEDBACK THAT WE DID HEAR THROUGHOUT THE ENGAGEMENT PERIOD AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE REPORT AS WELL AFFORDABILITY IS REALLY THE PRIMARY YOU KNOW I THINK BARRIER TO MORE BROAD SUPPORT FOR THIS TYPE OF FEE AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT RISING UTILITY BILLS PROPERTY TAXES AND OVERALL COST OF LIVING AND SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD AND THAT WE WANTED WE WANTED TO MENTION HERE SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU KNOW WE THINK THAT IT DOES MAKE SENSE THAT WE SORT OF SUPPORT ON THE LOWER END HERE GROUPS OF MOVING INTO COMMERCIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WAS DEFINITELY MORE CAUTIOUS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE MIXED THAN ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE SO OVERALL 37% OF COMMERCIAL RESPONDENTS AND THE SURVEY AND THE IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT SUPPORTED SOME LEVEL OF FEE WHEREAS A MAJORITY DID NOT AND WE ALSO HEARD YOU KNOW DIFFERENT PIECES OF FEEDBACK FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AROUND YOU KNOW COMPETITIVENESS BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONCERNS PASSING THE COST THROUGH TO CUSTOMERS OF THE BUSINESSES AND JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLEXITY OF THIS TYPE OF FEAR I DO WANT TO MENTION HERE THAT WE SOME SO THE BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE NUANCED SO IT WAS MORE BRIEFINGS PRESENTATIONS TO THE CHAMBER SO NOT ALL OF THE BUSINESS ENGAGEMENT RESULTED IN YOU KNOW

SCORING OUR SURVEY RESPONSES AND SOME OF IT WAS WAS MORE QUALITATIVE AND SO THAT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO MENTION HERE AS WELL LOOKING AT THE FEES STRUCTURE THIS ONE IT'S KIND OF ALL ACROSS THE BOARD AS WELL SO THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT THERE WASN'T A CLEAR CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE THE COMMUNITY WOULD PREFER THERE'S A SLIGHT I THINK PREFERENCE FOR THE PER THERM OR THE USAGE BASED FEE MORE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE BUT REALLY I THINK YOU KNOW THERE WAS KIND OF A MIX ACROSS THE BOARD BETWEEN A FLAT FEE A TIERED FLAT FEE AND THEN THAT USAGE BASED FEE OR FOR EXAMPLE AND A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE TYPE OF I THINK IT CAME TO AGAIN AFFORDABILITY OF THE EQUITY SO HOW WOULD EITHER A PERSON OR A FLAT TYPE OF TWO DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS AND HOW WOULD IT AFFECT COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE FEEL THAT WE DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW CLEAR CONSENSUS ON MOVING ON TO THE REVENUE ALLOCATION PREFERENCES SO THIS WAS THE QUESTION OF THE 5050 SPLIT OF REVENUE WHEN WE CAME TO YOU IN NOVEMBER WE HAD KIND OF PRESENTED THE PROJECT IN THIS WAY AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAD SAID THAT YOU WANTED US TO ASK THE COMMUNITY ABOUT SO ON THIS ONE THE FEEDBACK WAS MUCH CLEARER ABOUT 60% OF THE FEEDBACK ACROSS THE COMMUNITY WAS FOR MORE FUNDING TO GO TOWARDS COMMUNITY FACING PROGRAMS RATHER THAN CITY OR MUNICIPAL PROJECTS AND 31% SUPPORTED THE 5050 SPLIT THERE WERE SOME CONVERSATIONS AROUND YOU KNOW INVESTING IN THE MUNICIPALITY KIND OF REINVEST IN EVERYONE IN A SENSE BECAUSE IT BRINGS DOWN COSTS FOR THE CITY WITHIN 9% PREFERRING MORE FUNDING FOR CITY PROJECTS SO AGAIN I THINK THAT YOU KNOW KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT RESPONDENTS IN THIS PROJECT WERE REALLY SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO SEE THOSE DIRECT AND

VISIBLE BENEFITS SO REINVESTMENT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES INTO PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT HELP HOMEOWNERS RENTERS NEIGHBORHOODS LOCAL BUSINESSES THINGS LIKE THAT AND INTERJECT ONE THING JUST UNDERSCORE THAT COULD BE A LITTLE CONFUSING AND SO IF YOU SEE IT STILL CLOSE TO THE 6040 ON THE QUANTITATIVE SIDE BUT THIS IS WHERE QUALITATIVE LIKE THE FEEDBACK WAS MUCH MORE STRONGLY WE WANT TO SEE IT COME DIRECTLY BACK TO THOSE PAIN AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AGAIN KEEPING IN MIND THE QUANTITATIVE VERSUS THE QUALITATIVE IN IN THE PACKAGE IT ALL TOGETHER IT MAY NOT COME ACROSS AS STRONG BUT WE CERTAINLY HEARD IT ON THE QUALITATIVE FEEDBACK SIDE SO THIS SLIDE HELPS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OF IF THERE WERE TO BE REVENUE WHAT WOULD THE COMMUNITY LIKE FOR IT TO BE SPENT ON AND SO ACROSS THE SURVEY AND THE IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT THE STRONGEST PRIORITIES AGAIN WERE THOSE PRACTICAL INVESTMENTS BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY LOWERING LONG TERM ENERGY COST THROUGH EFFICIENCY ON REBATES AND IMPROVING HOUSING SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBER ONE RESPONSE WAS HOME REBATES FOLLOWED BY SUPPORT FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES COMMUNITY LED PROJECTS AND THEN SUPPORT FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING SO KIND OF TAKING ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUAL GRAPHICS AND KIND OF COMBINING THEM INTO WHAT WERE WHAT WAS THE OVERALL FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WE REALLY SAW THAT YOU KNOW THERE IS GENERAL SUPPORT FOR A FEE HOWEVER IT'S CONDITIONAL SO IT DEPENDS ON AFFORDABILITY DEPENDS ON PROGRAM PROGRAM CLARITY DEMONSTRATED A DEMONSTRATED VALUE AND BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THE WILLINGNESS TO PAY IS REALLY ON THAT LOWER END SIDE SO AGAIN SEEING SUPPORT FOR THE 1 TO $2 PER MONTH ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND THEN AFFORDABILITY IS REALLY THE BIGGEST BARRIER THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW TO THE BROADER SUPPORT AND WE ALSO SAW SOME PRETTY STRONG FEEDBACK ON

WHAT WOULD BUILD TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY SO WE HEARD FROM PARTICIPANTS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE CLEARLY DEFINED PROGRAMS SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF HOW THE FEE WOULD BE USED IF THERE WERE TO BE ONE MEASURABLE OUTCOMES REGULAR REPORTING ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND THAT EQUITY PIECE SO HOW DOES THIS WORK FOR RENTERS HOW DOES THIS WORK FOR A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME FOLKS NOT JUST HOMEOWNERS SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY A BIG PIECE OF IT AND SO I THINK OVERALL WE FELT THAT THE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT DIDN'T REJECT THE CONCEPT OUTRIGHT BUT WAS ASKING FOR MORE CLARITY AND FOR MORE MORE GUARDRAILS AND PROOF OF CONCEPT AND VALUE AROUND THE TOPIC BEFORE SUPPORTING A LONG TERM FUNDING MECHANISM AND HELPING WITH THAT I WILL TURN BACK RETURN TO FINISH THIS UP DOING I HAVE A SLIDE OR SO YEAH ONE OF OUR BIGGER THAT'S WHAT I'M ASK THE THIS QUESTION HERE HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT WE ARE ON STAFF YEAH YEAH OKAY BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY MAKING IT THE COUNCIL WE CAN ONCE YOU'RE DONE WE CAN TAKE A BREAK AND THEN COME BACK AND HAVE THE DISCRETION IF THAT WORKS FOR COUNCIL SINCE WE'RE CLOSE TO OUR BREAK OKAY OKAY YEAH SO YEAH SO BASED ON THE OVERALL FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD HEARD THAT IN ORDER TO BUILD MORE SUPPORT AND KIND OF GET RID OF THAT CONDITIONAL PIECE OF WHERE PEOPLE WERE GENERALLY VERY SUPPORTIVE BUT APPREHENSIVE THAT ANY SORT OF POLICY MOVING FORWARD AS KAYLA INDICATED WOULD NEED TO HAVE CLEAR PROGRAM DESIGN VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLES AND PROJECTS OF HOW THE FUNDING IS GOING TO BE USED WHAT'S THE OVERHEAD WHO'S GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS DIRECT AND

VISIBLE COMMUNITY BENEFITS OR RETAIN THAT AGAIN THE TRANSPARENCY AND REPORTING OR FEEDBACK TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECTS ALL THE FUNDS ARE USED WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF THAT ATTENTION TO AFFORDABILITY INEQUITIES OR BEING MINDFUL OF SOME OF THE OTHER INFLUENCES AND AND NOT JUST HAVING A FEAR THAT STAYS FLAT INDEPENDENT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND BEING MINDFUL OF SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND THE EQUITY AND ACCESS PIECE MAKING SURE THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THE FUNDS CLEAR UNDERSTANDABLE FEE STRUCTURE IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING WE FOUND THAT IN TALKING WITH PEOPLE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO SHOW UP ON THEIR BILL AND HOW IT WORKS SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GETS SET UP IT EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE FOR THEM AND THEN SUPPORT CONSISTENT COMMUNICATION AGAIN AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MEATIER TOPIC AND PEOPLE GOT A LITTLE LOST IN THE DETAILS SO KEEPING THAT YOU KNOW CLEAR AND CONCISE AS WE MOVE FORWARD SO WITH THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO NOT PURSUE A NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE FEE AT THIS TIME THE KEY REASONS FOR THAT IS WHILE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THERE IS GENERAL SUPPORT FOR IT AGAIN IT'S CONDITIONAL AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU CAN KEEP THAT LOW AND THE MONEY WILL GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE WHOLE THING WAS SET UP RIGHT NOW SO WE WOULD NEED MORE TIME TO TO WORK THROUGH THAT AGAIN AFFORDABILITY CONCERNS YOU KNOW WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING GLOBALLY THERE'S AS AARON INDICATED IN THE PREVIOUS THERE'S A MARKET CONDITIONS THAT COULD INFLUENCE NATURAL GAS PRICES THINGS LIKE THAT AND SO BEING MINDFUL OF THAT PROGRAM DESIGN AND OUTCOMES NEED TO BE BETTER DEFINED AND THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS REMAIN ON THAT REALLY THAT EQUITY PIECE AGAIN THERE IS MORE LEANING PREFERENCE TOWARDS PERTH TERM BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT'S THE MOST CHALLENGING FOR OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS AND SO YOU HAVE A DIRECT CONFLICT RIGHT THERE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIALS ARE TRYING TO SET UP SOMETHING THAT

LESSENS THAT THAT CONFLICT THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT SO INSTEAD OUR RECOMMENDED NEXT STEP IS TO DEVELOP 1 TO 2 SMALL PILOT PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY SET UP BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT THE FOCUS AREAS WOULD BE ON ENERGY COST REDUCTION YOU KNOW HOUSING IMPROVEMENTS OR THE COMMUNITY BASED INITIATIVES WE'RE LOOKING AT RENTERS AND KIND OF A BROAD RANGE OF RESIDENTS WE HAVEN'T FLUSHED THOSE OUT RIGHT NOW JUST JUST TO LET YOU KNOW SO THERE WOULD NEED TIME TO BUILD THOSE WHAT A PILOT PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE WE WOULD KEEP THE FUNDING REQUEST OUR INITIAL THOUGHT IS KEEP IT AT LEAST BELOW $100,000 AND MAKE IT SCALABLE SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND THE REASON FOR THIS PILOT PROGRAM IS TO KIND OF BETA TEST THAT A LITTLE BIT YOU'RE LISTENING TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT A PROJECT COULD LOOK LIKE HOW THERE'S COMMUNITY BENEFIT WE CAN TRACK THAT AND WE CAN TEST IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OUTCOMES ARE AND THE BENEFITS WE CAN BUILD TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY ON HOW THIS WOULD LOOK HOW IT'S GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTABLE AND THEN USE THAT INFORMATION TO INFORM FUTURE DECISIONS SO WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WOULD LOOK LIKE IS AGAIN IN 2026 HERE DEVELOP 1 TO 2 PILOT PROGRAMS BRING THOSE BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE FUNDING AMOUNT THAT IS SCALABLE SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN BASED ON THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT AND THEN IF WE RECEIVE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THAT IT WOULD BE AN IMPLEMENT OR PART OF A PROGRAM TRY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COST THE OUTCOMES GATHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FEEDBACK THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND WE WOULD AND SO THAT WOULD ROLL INTO 2027 WE WOULD PROVIDE REGULAR UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL PRIMARILY THROUGH THE ACTION PLAN UPDATES

AND THE OTHER COMMUNICATION TOOLS WE HAVE TO UPDATE COUNCIL AND IT WOULD ALSO GIVE US TIME TO FURTHER EVALUATE WHAT A POTENTIAL NATURAL GAS FEE STRUCTURE COULD LOOK LIKE BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND TRY TO FIND MORE OF THAT SWEET SPOT I GUESS TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD TO BUILD A LITTLE BIT MORE SUPPORT AROUND THAT AND YET TO BE DETERMINED TIMELINE ONCE THAT'S BEEN COMPLETE RETURN TO COUNCIL WITH THOSE PILOT PROGRAM RESULTS WHAT ARE REFINED FOR A STRUCTURE COULD LIKE COULD LOOK LIKE AND THEN BASED ON THE SUCCESS OF THAT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE PURSUED FURTHER OR STOP THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME SO WE ALREADY KNOW WE ARE READY TO TAKE A BREAK GREAT AND THERE WERE SEVERAL

CURRENT >> WE'RE BACK TOGETHER AND COUNCIL MEMBER WALL DID GRAB ME RIGHT BEFORE THE BREAK IN THE FIRST WITH THANK YOU I'M ACTUALLY 545 FOR ANOTHER FUNCTION SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE NEED TO GET TO THE NUMBER TWO AND SO THAT I GET TO SPEAK AND I'LL TRY TO USE MY THREE MINUTES EFFICIENTLY OKAY HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE A COPY IT COULD BE OKAY I I HAVE A LOT OF OBSERVATIONS AND THOSE OBSERVATIONS CAN ALL BE CHALLENGED TO BE SURE BUT MY READING OF THE SITUATION FIRST I THINK AND I SAID THIS LAST SEPTEMBER I DON'T MISNAMED IN MY VIEW IT'S NOT A NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE FOR ME AS IF THE FRANCHISOR IS SOMEHOW INDEPENDENT FREE CERTAINLY THOUGH YOU YOU FEEDBACK SESSION WHEN I WAS AT LIVE OR WAS PART OF MY AS A TAX QUITE CLEARLY AND THAT'S MY OVERALL VIEW AS WELL AND EVEN IF THE GOVERNMENT REQUIRES OF OF SERVICES WOULD BE A FRACTION OF THE TAX TO SUPPORT PROJECTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY SO I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A FRANCHISE FEE AS MUCH AS A TAX SOME STATISTICS THAT WERE USED IT SAYS MORE THAN 200 CITIES IN MINNESOTA USE IT THERE ARE 863 CITIES MEANING MORE THAN 600 ARE NOT I THINK WE NEED TO BALANCE THAT INFORMATION AND SAY BY FAR MORE ARE NOT USING THAN ARE OF THE FLAT FEE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EQUITY THAT SEEMS TERRIBLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ME WITH THE SAME PRICES PAID BY OR RENTERS AND HOMEOWNERS I DID SOME RESEARCH WITH A CONSIDERABLE LANDLORD HERE IN TOWN WHO WAS THE RENTAL FEE THAT THAT PERSON CHARGES IS $600 A MONTH THE PERSON WHO RENTS THAT APARTMENT WOULD PAY

THE SAME AS THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT LAST YEAR THE MOST EXPENSIVE HOUSE IN ROCHESTER $2.43 MILLION SEEMS TERRIBLY INEQUITABLE TO ME ON THE THIRD SLIDE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST AS IMPACTFUL TO BOTH AND I THINK THAT AARON TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF COMMERCIAL YOU KNOW A PIZZA PLACE OR A BAKERY OR A CAFE THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE LOTS OF TERMS AND A JEWELRY STORE IS NOT AND THEY MAY BEEN A SIMILAR INCOME ABOUT ONE IS GOING TO PAY THE PRICE AND OTHERS ARE NOT I'VE TALKED TO FOOD VENDORS SUPPLIERS AND ON NORTH BROADWAY ONE TOLD ME THAT HIS TAXES WENT UP THIS YEAR 18,000 THE OTHER ON SATURDAY TOLD ME THAT HIS TAXES WENT UP 400% HE DIDN'T TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANT AND THE WAY OF ABOUT OUR SHARE DOLLARS BOTH OF THOSE ARE IN THE FOOD BUSINESS BOTH OF THEM USE A BUNCH OF FIRMS BOUGHT JUST AGAIN THAT SEEMS INEQUITABLE ANOTHER PART OF THE INEQUITY FOR ME IN THERMS IS SOMEONE LIVING IN TURN OF THE CENTURY HOUSE NOT THIS CENTURY BUT THE LAST CENTURY 1904 IS GOING TO BE USING A LOT MORE THERMS IN THEIR HOME TO HERE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO TIGHTEN IT UP BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE TO PAY FOR CONSTRUCTION WITH NO GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO THOROUGHLY INSULATE LIKE MOTOR HOMES AND SO ON THAT PERSON WHO'S LIVING IN THAT KIND OF MUCH OLDER HOME OFTEN THE LESS EXPENSIVE HOME IS GOING TO PAY MORE THAN A PERSON WHO BUYS A

HOME THAT BUILT IN 2025 AND IS RELATIVELY TIGHT WITH GOOD INSULATION AND THE SLIDE TEN ON THE WILLINGNESS TO PAY 61% SUPPORT HOWEVER ON A PREVIOUS SLIDE THE AVERAGE FLAT FEE WAS $3.50 $3.50 38.770 WAS THE CORRECT ANSWER 28.6 AND $1.20 7.7 SO $2 ON DIFFERENT READING OF THAT SLIDE DOWN WOULD BE THAT 95% OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT SUPPORT THE AVERAGE OF $3.50 JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT STATISTICS THE PRESENTATION FROM SEPTEMBER 3RD 2025 PROJECTED RAISING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1 AND $2.5 MILLION THAT DEPENDS UPON METHODS USED TO BUILD PEOPLE OR TAX PEOPLE FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTION THE CITY BURNSVILLE I SAW THAT BIG SPIKE WENT TO THEIR WEBSITE $8 A MONTH I SUSPECT THAT WE STARTED THAT ITEM 2 OR 3 OR 4 OR 5 THAT WE WOULD NOT BE THERE FOREVER THERE AND $8 PER MONTH PER HOUSEHOLD ADDITIONALLY THEIR HIGHEST THAT FOR THE HIGH VOLUME ACCOUNTS IT'S UP TO $468 A MONTH AND I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE YOU KNOW THE BIG COMMERCIAL OVENS THAT ARE BEING USED THAT DOESN'T BREAK THAT DOWN BUT THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FINALLY THE PILOT PROJECTS YOU KNOW I'M NOT AGAINST PILOT

PROJECTS BUT I WOULD REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR AND YOU HAVE SAID THAT CLEARLY YOU KNOW IF IF ALL YOU'RE DOING IS WEATHER STRIPPING SOME THINGS MAYBE YOU CAN YOU KNOW SPEND $1,000 EACH AND GET TO 100 HOMES IF YOU PUT A HEAT PUMP IN SOMEBODY'S HOME THAT CAN BE $8,000 THAT'LL BE $25,000 SO THAT REALLY DOESN'T GO VERY FAR IF YOU REPLACE INEFFICIENT APPLIANCES AND THAT GETS TO BE COSTLY AS WELL SO I THINK WE WOULD REALLY WANT TO KNOW PRECISELY WHAT THE PROJECT BEFORE AND HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS ARE INTENDED TO BENEFIT FROM THOSE PILOT PROJECTS I DON'T KNOW IF I BURNED MY EIGHT MINUTES BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT ALL OF YOU GET TO MORE DO MORE OF THIS SUMMER AND SAY YOU KNOW FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS AND PROBABLY SOME THAT I HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF YET I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A REALLY HARD SELL ON AN ADDITIONAL TAX FOR PEOPLE OF ROCHESTER THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MARGARET PAUL WELL THANK YOU THANK YOU MR. WONG AND THE NEXT JOBS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED ME WAS THAT I TALKED TO THREE PEOPLE CAME UP TO ME AND SAID THEY'RE IN THE HOUSING MEETING THAT ROCHESTER AREA FOUNDATION THAT'S ONE NONPROFIT WAS FOR THIS NOT ONE AND AND I THINK THAT SHOWS THE EQUITY PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH THIS PROGRAM I PERSONALLY FIXED A HOUSE BUILT IN 1947 I USED TO RPU PROGRAM I USED THE GAS COMPANY PROGRAM EASY TO DO THAT'S ALREADY THERE IT'S NOT INCOME BASED BUT THEY PUT $3,000 OF INSULATION INTO A HOME AND THEY GOT SOME REBATE ON IT BUT I GOT A LOT OF COMFORT I'VE BEEN A CERTIFIED

BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE STATE OF THEIR SERVICES BY 1885 KNOW WE HAVE SINCE 1991 THE MOST STRINGENT ENERGY CODE IN THE UNITED STATES NO ONE TOPS US WITH ABOUT SINCE 1991 AND I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF OUR HOMES HAVE BEEN BUILT WE WERE BUILDING 950 HOUSES THERE FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMES THAT ARE ENERGY EFFICIENT YOU KNOW 39% OPPOSED SOME KIND OF FEE I HAVE TO GO WITH MR. WALLS BUSINESS STATEMENTS BUT 63% OF THE BUSINESSES OPPOSED IT AND I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO REDO SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT'S WITH OUR APPEAL I THINK YOU HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM THEY WORK HARD AT WHAT THEY DO AND SO DOES PEOPLE OF NATURAL GAS WHERE THE GAS COMPANIES THEY'RE USING THEY HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM ALSO AND SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE USERS LARGEST USERS WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGEST USERS OF NATURAL GAS THIS YEAR RIGHT JUST TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS WHAT MAKES THIS SENSIBLE TO RENTERS WHAT IS A PLAN WE'RE GOING TO DO OR WHAT IS THE RENTER GOING TO DO TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM WORK BUT THE ANSWER SURE I THINK SO KEEP IN MIND WE HAVEN'T BUILT OVER A PILOT PROGRAM BUT LOOK LIKE SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF ARE THERE LIMITATIONS THAT CAN BE PLACED IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN AND CANNOT GO BACK TO THE RENTERS AND THERE'S YOU KNOW SOME INCOME QUALIFIED TYPE THINGS WE COULD LOOK AT SO THERE'S WE NEED MORE TIME TO FLESH THAT OUT TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OKAY DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OKAY BUT TO ME I DON'T WANT TO SPENDING MORE STAFF TIME ON THIS I THINK IT'S A DONE I DON'T SEE THE ADVANTAGE CHARACTERISTIC I THINK I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL YOU LOOKED AT THE REVIEW PROJECT OR A PROGRAM OR THE NATURAL GAS COMPANIES PROGRAM BUT I THINK THEY HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM FOR

ACTION IT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYONE COUNCILMEMBER KEEN YEAH THANK YOU YEAH FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I MUST THINK OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS COMING TOGETHER TONIGHT ONE IS THAT A YEAR AGO OR 14 MONTHS AGO THIS COUNCIL HAD A STRATEGIC PRIORITIES MEETING AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID COME UP WITH WAS THAT THIS IDEA OF LIKE RESPONSIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO IN SOME WAYS ARE DOING THAT AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD FUNDING SOURCE THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S KIND OF COMING TOGETHER THE OTHER THING IS IT'S A GOOD SIX YEARS AGO WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT NATURAL GAS FRANCHISE FEE IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TIME THAT THE BENEFACTOR WAS AS A METHOD OF FUNDING OUR STREETS SO THESE TWO THINGS CAME TOGETHER A YEAR AGO TO SAY MAYBE THIS IS AN OPTION WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN WE TRY TO DO THIS OUTREACH AND LIKE SOME OF MY PEERS I WENT TO 2 OR 3 OR MAYBE BEFORE THOSE EARLY ON MEETINGS AND THEY WERE VERY INTERESTING VERY DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHICH GROUP YOU WENT TO ONE GROUP VIEWED >> IT AS A WAY OF GETTING NATURAL GAS OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY LIKE THEY WERE THE BAD GUYS AND I HAD NOT EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT GOING INTO IT I UNDERSTAND NATURAL GAS IS THE MOST EFFICIENT HEATING METHOD IN A PLACE AS FAR NORTH AS WE ARE SO I DIDN'T SEE IT COMING THAT WAY BUT I ALSO ATTENDED A MEETING AND IT WAS I AT THE HOUSING ALLIANCE WHERE THERE WAS THIS YOU KNOW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF IMPACT AND THEIR BUSINESS THE OTHER THING SO THERE WAS A LOT MORE EMOTION THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WITH THIS SO I MEAN I WATCH THAT GO ON I DO LIKE THE WAY THE STAFF KIND OF CAME AWAY AND SAY HEY BASED ON THIS STUFF LET'S STEP BACK AND HERE HERE'S MY READING THAT THERE IS THIS IDEA OF LET'S GET SOME CASES WHERE WE'VE DONE SOMETHING I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN BY THE PILOT PROJECT LET'S LET'S GO AND SHOW THAT WE CAN DO SOME THINGS I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET ANY MORE INFORMATION ON THE GAS

FRANCHISE BE THAT THE THERMS IS THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT OR OR THIS IS THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT BUT WHAT I THINK WOULD COME TOGETHER MOST WHEN I THINK OF THE PRIORITIES THAT THE COUNCIL PUT FORWARD AND THE STAFF IS TRYING TO ACT ON THEM AS I THINK WE SHOULD USE SOME OF OUR COUNCIL FOR CONTINGENCY FOR 2026 TO FUND THESE SORT OF PILOT PROJECTS AND THEN SET UP SOME THINGS TO WORK IN 2026 INTO 2027 AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO AND HAVE MORE SOLID THINGS THAN THAT I WOULD SUPPORT YOU KNOW KIND OF A PROGRAM LIKE THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THESE SORT OF PILOTS OFF THE GROUND AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED 100,000 I KIND OF CRINGE ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT IT IS HARD TO DO A LOT I MY MY SENSE IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE EXECUTION OF THE PROGRAM REALLY COMES OUT OF THE FUNDING WE'VE ALREADY PUT ASIDE BY HAVING A SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE AND THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR HOW WE DO THE PAYMENTS OR HOW WE DO THESE THINGS SO I'D BE OPEN TO THAT YOU KNOW 100 TO $150,000 CONTINGENCY AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD GO THIS IS A STUDY SESSION BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE FOR MY PEERS AND FOR THE STAFF TO HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THIS YES THANKS KAYLA AND ERIN FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND I THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATION I WAS IN ONLY ONE ROOM DURING A VERY VOCAL AND I WAS WITH KAYLA ACTUALLY WAS THE VERY FIRST ONE REALLY WHEN I WAS SITTING NEXT TO YOU I REMEMBER EITHER OKAY THERE IS NOT TWO PEOPLE IN THAT ROOM OUT OF ABOUT 35 THAT WERE FOR IT AND FOR THE OBVIOUS REASONS YOU KNOW THEY WERE FOR IT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WELL I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE OTHER THREE PEOPLE WERE SAYING VERY OPENLY AND YOU KNOW WE SAID WE SAID A PLAN TO HOW WE WANT TO ARE WHAT WERE

OUR OBJECTIVES ARE WITHIN OUR CITY COUNCIL BUT MAYBE MAYBE WE WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT OUR PRIORITIES A LITTLE BIT MAYBE NOT LOOK AT THEM BUT AT LEAST AT LEAST WHAT I'M SAYING IS MAYBE WE TREAT THOSE A LITTLE BIT VERSUS TRYING TO FIND MONEY TO SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T GET PEOPLE BEHIND YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE NOT GETTING PEOPLE BEHIND IT YOU DON'T DOING IT MAYBE YOU LOOK AT HOW WE ARE GOING ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES OR OUR PRIORITIES IN GENERAL SO I HEARD VERY VOCALLY NO ONE WANTS TO RAISE RAISE THEIR TAXES I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO SEE THE NUMBER WHEN I SEE THAT BE TWO OUT OF 35 THAT ONE AND ALSO THAT I SEE IN 61% OF THE PEOPLE SURVEYED WANTED THAT I WAS VERY SURPRISED I WAS SITTING IN A ROOM AT THE 125 ALLIANCE WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD CROSS-SECTION OF OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY I FEEL LIKE SO THIS IS I WAS SITTING NEXT TO COUNCILMEMBER FREDERICKSON AND I HAD A DIFFERENT VIEW OF THAT WITH AND IT I MY FEELING OF THE ROOM WAS YES THERE WERE A LOT OF VOCAL PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST IT EARLY ON AND THOSE THAT THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE AN IDEA WERE EXPLORING STARTED TO PEPPER IT LATER SO THAT'S WHERE I'LL LEAVE IT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR THAT WANT TO SPEAK BUT I'LL SPEAK TO IT LATER COUNCILMEMBER MILLER SURE WELL MR. MCCULLOUGH STILL IN THE ROOM I'M JUST LOOKING AT SLIDE 14 AND I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO FOR THE CONSERVANCY PROGRAM BECAUSE IT FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE IT'S TANGIBLE TO PEOPLE IS THE HIGHEST SUPPORT AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S AN INTERESTING FACT OUT OF THE SURVEY RESULT IS THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROBABLY USED THAT PROGRAM OR THAT LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE PERSONAL

BENEFIT THEY'RE I'M CURIOUS OF THE 200 CITIES IN MINNESOTA THERE WAS A QUESTION ARE THERE ANY CITIES THAT DO ONGOING SURVEYS OF THOSE RESIDENTS OR UTILITY RATEPAYERS TO GAUGE INTEREST IN THE PROGRAM OR OUTS I MEAN THERE'S BEEN A SUGGESTION THAT THE FEE WOULD GO UP SURELY THOSE ARE REQUIRING SOME ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD KNOW OR THAT COULD BE FOLLOWED UP ON OR IS IS THERE A CHANGE IN ACCEPTANCE OR SUPPORT OVER TIME FOR CITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED IT YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I RAN INTO IN MY RESEARCH BUT THAT'S VERY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE IS SERVING COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE EXISTING PROGRAMS OKAY AND THEN I GUESS SIMILAR TO THE I WOULD JUST WONDER ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE USING THE CONSERVANCY PROGRAM IF THERE IS ANY SORT OF DATA OR SURVEY OR FEEDBACK THAT THAT'S CAPTURED ABOUT HOW THAT PROGRAM IS WORKING OR STATISTIC KIND OF WHICH OF THE REBATES WERE BEING USED MORE FREQUENTLY OR HOW THOSE ARE CHANGING OVER TIME I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THESE ELEMENTS THAT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER KEEN SAYING TO THIS BACK TO SOME OF THE PRIORITIES IN PAST LEGISLATIVE ACTION AND SIMILARLY I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SUPPORT PERHAPS INCREASING WITH MORE INFORMATION OR AN OPENNESS TO SUPPORT INCREASING WITH MORE INFORMATION IT DOES FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TANGIBLY PILOT SOMETHING AND THEN GET REAL FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT SO MUCH OF THIS DISCUSSION FEELS ABSTRACT IS THAT TAX WHAT IS MY BENEFIT WHAT IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S BENEFIT BECAUSE REMEMBER HOMER MENTIONED THE VIEWS OF THE HOUSE THAT HE'S WITH AN INVESTED INSULATION BUY HOUSES FROM THE 1930S WE RECENTLY HAD AN INFLATION PROJECT DONE AND

SAW THE TANGIBLE RESULTS THAT WE HAD OR TEST DONE OUR AIR LOSS WAS REDUCED BY ABOUT 35% FROM THAT PROJECT AND SO NOW WE ARE SEEING LOWER UTILITY BILLS AND THE ENERGY AUDITOR WAS QUITE IMPRESSED THAT WE COULD GET A 1930 HOUSE UP TO ROUGHLY 1990S NEW CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS WE DO HAVE NEW HOUSES NEWER HOUSING STOCK THAN AVERAGE WHICH WE KNOW IN THE LGA FORMULA PENALIZES US IN MANY WAYS BUT THAT'S NOT ALL OF OUR STUDY AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OLDER HOUSES PARTICULARLY IN OUR POOR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT LIKELY SUFFER FROM THIS AND SOME OF THOSE HOUSES ARE THE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSES THAT WE WANT TO KEEP WITH AND UTILITY COSTS OR KEEP OUT OF PEOPLE'S MONTHLY BUDGETS SO I GUESS JUST TO TO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I SHARE CUSTOMER INTEREST AND SEEING HOW WE PILOT SOMETHING THE TANGIBLE WAY HOW WE SURVEY THE SUPPORT FOR THOSE PROGRAMS AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO STRUCTURE THIS I MEAN I MENTIONED BEFORE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT USE REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS LOWER INTEREST RATES TO HELP PEOPLE MAKE A LONGER TERM FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL DECISION ABOUT AN APPLIANCE FURNACE REPLACEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HAS A HIGHER UPFRONT COST BUT MAYBE HAS A DOWNSTREAM COMMUNITY BENEFIT IN ADDITION TO THE TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO INCREASE IF YOUR KEY HOMES ARE POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE LIVE IN A COLD CLIMATE AND PEOPLE ARE MAKING THAT DECISION AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS WORKING AND HOW WE HELP PEOPLE ACCELERATE THAT IN THE INTEREST OF EQUITY AND THE BROADER COMMUNITY BENEFIT I THINK THAT FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT ALSO BE REMOTE NOT MUCH AND THE NUMBER OF CITIES THAT HAVE DONE SOME VERSION OF BIKE RELIEF IN A TIME OF INCREASE IN GAS PRICES EVERY ONE OF THOSE THAT I'VE EVER READ ABOUT IN THE CITY OR AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT ARE INCLUDED HAS BEEN

OVERSUBSCRIBED WILDLY POPULAR AND THAT IS A POTENTIAL WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO HAVE A LOWER COST INVESTMENT THAT GENERATES IMMEDIATE IMPACT FOR THEM AND A MONTHLY COST SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION METHOD OR SO I'LL JUST SAY MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS SIGNIFICANT TO SUPPORT MATH WHICH I SHARE WITH THE STAFF AND I WONDERED WHAT THE SUSTAINABLE SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCY COMMITTEES POSITION WAS YES IT WAS IN SUPPORT OF ACTION SO I WANT TO THANK GENERAL FUND AND GENERAL SUPPORT FOR GIVING ME NOT ANY YES OR NO SO I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE TABLE FIRST WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE INVOLVEMENT THAT'S WHAT THEIR POSITION WAS AND I'M DISAPPOINTED PARTLY BECAUSE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE I RAN ON ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT BACK IN 2000 1819 IT WAS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WE FINALLY GOT IT ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA AND DESPITE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE'VE TRIED OVER TIME IT'S GOING TO STRUGGLE TO HOLD THE HALLWAY SO I WAS THRILLED THAT WE WERE DOING THE STUDY I'M THRILLED ABOUT THE RESULTS WHICH I RESPECT COUNCILMEMBER FREDERICKS COMMENT ABOUT SITTING NEXT TO PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY I FIND PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY TOO BUT WE HAVE A SURVEY THAT SAYS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T FEEL THAT WAY AND WE HAVE TO WEIGH THOSE THINGS WHAT THE SURVEY IS SHOWING US AND WHAT WE MIGHT HEAR FROM FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND IF YOU BELIEVE YOUR DISTRICT FEELS THAT WAY THEN THAT'S YOUR VOTE AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT BUT I WANT I WANT TO JUST POINT OUT THAT THE CITYWIDE POSITION IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT AND THE FRANCHISE FEE ISSUE IT FRUSTRATES ME WHEN WE CALL IT A TAX WHEN EVERY OTHER OF THE 200 CITIES THAT DO NOT CALL IT A FRANCHISE FEE AND WE CALL THE FRANCHISE FEE WHEN WE DO

CHARTER THAT WAS TO CALL CABLE PEOPLE AND IT'S NOT CHARTER ANYMORE I KNOW I CAN JUST NAME WE DO HAVE FRANCHISE FEES IT'S NOT NEW IT'S NOT DIFFERENT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AS I THINK SOMEONE SAID FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS NOW FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES THIS ONE MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE IT'S TAKING MONEY FROM THE SAME POT OF ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND KEEPING IT IN THAT PART OF ENERGY ENVIRONMENT THAT'S WHERE MY ISSUES AND IS A QUESTION FOR ABOUT THE PROGRAM IF HE'S STILL HERE I'M SORRY I CAN'T TURN THAT WAY VERY WELL THANK YOU DO WE EVER USE UP ANY OF THOSE FEES WHICH MEANS IN PARTICULAR ANY OF THESE I'M SORT OF CONCERNED ABOUT ANY OF THOSE DO YOU EVER MAXED OUT ON THEM LIKE RUN OUT OF MONEY ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE FUNDED THROUGH UTILITY RATES SPECIFICALLY IN THE ELECTRIC RATE FUND AND SO WE HAVE NOT STOPPED THE PROGRAM WE SEEK EVERY YEAR THE 1.5% SAVINGS GOAL I CAN'T RECALL THAT WE HAVE HAD ANY PROGRAMS IN THE PAST OKAY BECAUSE I RECALL A COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE LIKE THE SOLAR PANELS WERE WE HAVE USED UP ALL OUR MONEY AND THEY HAD TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT YEAR TO DO IT SO I'M GOING BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS BUT I DO RECALL US NOT HAVING ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT DURING THOSE HIGH YEARS WERE SOLAR WAS FUN SO PART OF THE INTERRUPTION YOU ARE CORRECT AND I'M LOOKING AT GEORGE MASON ACROSS THE CAPITAL SO OKAY SO I DID REMEMBER THAT SO THAT MIGHT BE AN AREA THAT MAYBE ISN'T FULLY FUNDED THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AND IF WE CAN SHOW OR PROVE AS I'VE HEARD HERE FROM COUNCILMEMBER MILLER AND COUNCILMEMBER CAIN IF WE CAN DEMONSTRATE SOMETHING AND SHOW THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE ENERGY SAVINGS FOR THAT HOME SO THAT THEY ULTIMATELY SAVE MONEY FOR A DOLLAR OR TWO YOU KNOW A MONTH INVESTMENT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE UP FOR THAT AND ACTUALLY COME OUT AHEAD THAT'S THE WHOLE GOAL OF THIS IS NOT

TO PUNISH PEOPLE IT'S TO SAY WE'RE ALL GOING TO PAY IN A LITTLE BIT AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME HELP AND YOUR YOUR COSTS WILL GO DOWN ULTIMATELY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THE WAY YOU'RE PROPOSING IT AND I JUST I WOULD RATHER JUST DO IT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT I THINK TRYING THIS WITH 100 $150,000 PILOT IS IS BETTER THAN NOTHING AND A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO AGAIN I JUST I THINK THERE'S COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS YOU KNOW I WOULDN'T HAVE RUN ON THIS AS BEING A A COMMUNITY PRIORITY IF THE COMMUNITY WASN'T TELLING ME ALL THESE YEARS THAT IT'S A PRIORITY AND ALL THESE YEARS FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS PEOPLE HAVE SAID THIS IS A PRIORITY TO DO SOMETHING SO I DO THINK THAT'S A PRIORITY AND YES PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO PAY MORE TAXES OR FEES BUT IF WE CAN DO IT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY SO THAT ULTIMATELY IT BENEFITS EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY IT'S A WIN WIN AND I HOPE THAT'S THE GOAL WE WORK FOR COUNCILMEMBER DOREEN YEAH JUST VERY QUICKLY I MEAN FULL AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DEVELOP SOME PILOT PROGRAMS TO TO SET UP A PROVEN TRACK RECORD FOR EXACTLY WHAT THE MAYOR WAS JUST SAYING THAT THAT ULTIMATELY PAYING A SMALLER FEE WILL HAVE A LONGER TERM IMPACT RIGHT SO GO FORWARD AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH I THANK YOU I WOULD JUST SAY ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES IS RESPONSIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A CITY WHERE WE ARE THE CITY OF FOR HEALTH BUT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE A HEALTHY CITY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ENVIRONMENT AS WELL I LOOK AT THE THE THE GREAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT

YOU'VE DONE AND THE NUMBERS DON'T LOOK CLOSE TO ME AND THIS COMMUNITY DOES WANT TO SEE US REALLY MOVE INTO THIS SPACE AND I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH THE THE THE PILOT PROGRAM I WOULD ADD TO WHERE WE GO YOU DID SAY THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK AFTER THE PILOT PROGRAMS TO REFINE THE FEE STRUCTURE I WANT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT FEE STRUCTURE UP FRONT ARE THE ENGAGEMENTS THAT PEOPLE REALLY ARE FURTHER PER THERM AND THERE'S THE FLAT FEE WHICH IS THE MOST USED THROUGHOUT THE STATE IS THERE A MIX IF THERE ARE HYBRID IS THAT ARE THERE MODELS FOR THAT AND THEN AND THEN WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT WE EXPECT TO GET COUNCILMEMBER WHILE DID MENTION THE 1 MILLION TO 1.5 MILLION THAT YOU GAVE US LAST FALL YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT IS THAT FUND THAT THAT THAT WE WOULD GET AND THEN I WOULD ALSO REALLY AND THIS IS MORE FROM A A SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM MATIC APPROACH FOR THE CITY I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR THE LAST YEAR AND THREE MONTHS IS WE MADE SOME KIND OF DASHBOARD ON WHAT WE ARE ACHIEVING HERE SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE SAYING WELL WE THINK THIS PROGRAM WILL WORK AND THAT DASHBOARD WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW THIS IS THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT WE HAVE

AND BETTER INSULATION AND REDUCE THEIR COST WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT COME DOWN EMISSIONS WATER USAGE WHEREVER IT HAPPENS TO BE A REALLY REALLY EAGER TO SEE A DASHBOARD ON HOW WE WORK SO THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN SAY THESE ARE THE GOALS THAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR ACROSS THE SUSTAINABILITY SPECTRUM AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE SEEING SOME MOVEMENT OF THE NEEDLE ON THAT SO SO I REALLY THIRST FOR THAT AND I I WILL SUPPORT THE PILOT PROJECT BUT WHEN IT COMES BACK AS A IF IT COMES BACK AS A CONTINGENCY I WANT TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT OUT OF THAT SOME PROPOSALS AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE WHAT WE'RE REALLY OKAY WITH THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH THANK YOU AND WE'LL MOVE TO TRANSFORMATIONAL CAPITAL PROJECT UPDATES TO STATE AND THE COLLABORATION THIS IS KIND OF IN RAPID FIRE THAT YOU KIND OKAY GREAT THAT'S GREAT YOU HAVE ALL OF TEN MINUTES TO DO IT IT WAS GREAT THANK YOU SO TONIGHT HERE TO PRESENT AN UPDATE ON TRANSFORMATIONAL

CAPITAL PROJECTS SO WHAT WE HEARD WHEN WE DID A STUDY SESSION UPDATE A MONTH OR TWO AGO WAS THAT YOU PRIMARILY WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT WHERE WE THINGS WERE AT WITH BOTH FORWARD AND DOWN SO THE AGENDA FOR TODAY IS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME IS GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TAKING TALKING THROUGH ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF THE THE PROJECT THE REVIEW AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT COMPONENTS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHAT INFORMS THAT ALSO SOME TIME ON THE CURRENT RENDERINGS BUT WE ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S VALUE IN GIVING YOU SOME BRIEF UPDATES WE'LL DO A SLIGHTLY DEEPER DIVE ON TO MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE TRANSFORMATIONAL AS WELL AS REALLY QUICK HITS ON OTHER TRANSFORMATIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THEN WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS GET INTO CONVERSATION AND HOW I WROTE THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT DATA AND A DASHBOARD WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WE HEARD THAT ALSO AT A PRIOR STUDY SESSION AND SO WE WANT TO GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT DATA FOR FOR US TO BRING BACK TO YOU WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE TRANSFORMATIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS AND OUR PARTNERS OVER AT DMC ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT PROCESS SO I'M GOING TO SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT DISCUSSION LATER IN THE PRESENTATION I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR COLLEAGUE BROOKE CARLSON AND SHE WILL FACILITATE THAT AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO MS. WOODWARD WHO IS MANAGING THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR BOTH OUR INBOUND AS IT COMES AS IT RELATES TO THE BUILDING DESIGN AND SITE CLINICAL PROCESS GREAT THANK YOU SO JUST AS A REMINDER I'M SURE EVERYONE HAS SEEN THESE SLIDES A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE IMAGES AND JUST A REMINDER IT'S KIND OF PROJECTED TO BE THAT $5 BILLION PROJECT AND TWO POINT 4,000,000FT OF NEW SPACE AND

TRYING TO MOVE ALONG TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS UP AND BY 2030 AND REALLY WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I HEARD LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE REVIEW PROCESS AND SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON KIND OF EXPLAINING WHERE WE'RE AT AND HOW WE KIND OF GOT THERE TODAY AND HOPING THAT CONTEXT ALSO HELPS TO UNDERSTAND AS PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS AND WHAT HAPPENS GOING FORWARD SO I KIND OF STARTED WITH THIS TIMELINE OF BACKING IT UP TO WHEN WE FIRST ESTABLISHED THE MEDICAL INSTITUTIONAL CAMPUS SPECIAL DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN 1991 AND THIS WAS REALLY A SEPARATE THING THAT WAS DONE WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT MANUAL AS A WAY TO LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION AND REALIZING THERE IS THIS CAMPUS IN THE DOWNTOWN AND HOW DO WE LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE AND PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE GUIDING OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT REQUIREMENTS TO BE AND ON TOP OF THAT PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT CAME FROM THAT WAS A FIVE YEAR PLAN AND REALLY THE INTENTION OF THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN IS TO BOTH DOCUMENT FUTURE PROJECTS AND IDENTIFY AS LONG AS THERE ARE SIMILAR USES TO WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE BUT ALSO REALLY TO START AND ALLOW THE CITY TO PLAN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO REALLY CREATE THAT COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE MAYO CLINIC IS GOING AT THE TIME AND WHERE THE CITY MIGHT NEED TO RESPOND AND HOW WE CAN GET AHEAD OF SOME OF THAT AS PART OF THAT PROCESS SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THIS HAS GONE ON THERE WAS AN UPDATE IN 2003 THAT ADDED NOT JUST THE DOWNTOWN IT ADDED KIND OF ALLEN WEST CIRCLE NEAR 41ST STREET SO THOSE THOSE WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL IT WAS REALLY JUST DOWNTOWN WITH ST MARY'S CAMPUS AND THE MAIN CAMPUS AND REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND THEN SO THAT WAS INCORPORATED THE FIVE YEAR PLAN KIND OF CONTINUED AND THEN WHEN WE ADOPTED THE UDC IN 2022 WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE WERE BOTH LOOKING AT AN UPDATE TO THE FIVE YEAR PLAN IN 2023 AND BRINGING THAT FORWARD THAT INCLUDED SOME OF THESE IDENTIFIED BUILDINGS VERBAL

CRAMDOWN WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THAT AND SO THAT WAS WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE MEDICAL OVERLAY DISTRICT WE WORKED WITH DON ELLIOTT AND BROUGHT HIM BACK IN TO KIND OF REALLY LOOK AT WHAT DOES THIS ORDINANCE LOOK LIKE HOW SHOULD IT BE CONSTRUCTED AND THEN ALSO INCORPORATED INTO THE UDC SO IT USED TO STAND ALONE OUTSIDE OF IT SO WHEN IT GOT INCORPORATED INTO THE UDC IT ALSO BROUGHT IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC AS WELL SO ONE OF THOSE KEY THINGS IS BUILDING DESIGN PRIOR TO THAT IF THEY WERE IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND PART OF THIS OVERLAY IT WOULD JUST DIDN'T GET APPROVED IN TERMS OF NOT REALLY LOOKING AT SOME OF THAT BUILDING DESIGN SO THAT WAS A KEY COMPONENT OF BEING ABLE TO INCORPORATE THOSE TWO THINGS AS BEING ABLE TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW THIS IS ONE OF THE DIAGRAMS IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN UPDATE THIS HAS BEEN ALWAYS AN ONGOING KIND OF BACK AND FORTH IT'S BOTH A LOOK BACK OF LIKE WHAT HAS MALE ACCOMPLISHED SINCE THE LAST FIVE YEAR PLAN WAS UPDATED AND ALSO WHAT'S IN THERE GOING FORWARD AND REALLY STARTING TO FOCUS ON WHERE DOES THAT PUBLIC PRIVATE THE SUBWAY SKYWAYS PARKING DISTRIBUTION BOTH WHERE FOR PARKING FOR VISITORS AND EMPLOYEES AND HOW DO WE HANDLE ALL THOSE THINGS AND REALLY LOOKING AT THAT CAMPUS WIDE APPROACH SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN GREEN THAT ARE MAYO CLINIC OWNED AND THEN ANY OF THOSE IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO SEE A LITTLE BIT BUT ANY OF THOSE READ TEXT ON THERE IS IDENTIFYING A POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECT SO EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN IS STARTING TO IDENTIFY HERE'S WHERE WE MIGHT SEE PROJECTS THERE WAS AN ADDITION IN THIS LAST FIVE YEAR PLAN OF APPROVAL TO PLAN PROJECT APPROVAL AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT MAYO HAS IN TERMS OF THEIR PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE STARTED TO REALLY INCORPORATE THOSE ELEMENTS WE ALSO REALLY PUSHED TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THAT FIVE YEAR PLAN TO REALLY BE ABLE TO PLAN BETTER AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION OF WHERE MAYO IS GOING AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND THEN REALLY UNDERSTAND

ALSO WHAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED BEFORE SO ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS KIND OF COME TOGETHER IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW MAY WAS PLANNING THAT ALLOWS US TO PLAN AND THEN ALSO KIND OF KNOW IF THESE TWO THINGS ALIGN THAT'S WHERE MAYO STARTS TO AND I WOULD WOULDN'T SAY MAYO BUT WITH THE MEDICAL OVERLAY ZONING IT COULD BE ANY WHERE WE GET INTO ANY ONE THAT FOR INSTANCE OLMSTED COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MEDICAL OVERLAY SO IT IS NOT JUST FOR MAYO CLINIC AND THAT WAS PART OF THE UPDATE AND INCORPORATION WE COULDN'T SEE SO I ALSO KIND OF WANTED TO

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND AS SOMEONE WHO HELPED COMPILE THAT IN 2022 AND 2023 WHICH WAS COMPILED IT FOR A MAJOR EMPLOYER I SHOULD SAY AND 2023 WAS A SUPPLEMENTAL YEAR BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE THAT MAYO WAS DOING WITH THE NEW BUILDINGS IS ARE THEY ON SCHEDULE TO GIVE US A FIVE YEAR PLAN IN 2027 OR 2028 IT WAS FIVE YEARS AFTER IT WAS ADOPTED IS THE REQUIREMENT SO 2028 WE SHOULD SEE THERE WOULD BE AN UPDATE THERE OKAY YEAH AND THAT WAS PART OF THEIR UPDATE WAS MAKING THOSE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES IT BRINGS THAT FORWARD THANK YOU SO THE OTHER COMPONENT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ICONIC BUILDING ALTERNATIVES AND ALSO KIND OF WANTED TO SPEND A FEW MINUTES EXPLAINING THIS PART OF IT SO AS WE REALLY TALK ABOUT THE UDC AND WE THIS REALLY FALLS WITHIN THE BUILDING DESIGN PORTION OF THE UDC SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SAY EVERYTHING SHIFTS AND THERE AREN'T THESE REGULATIONS THAT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED THE KEY THINGS WERE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SITE NEED TO BE LARGER THAN FIVE ACRES FOR A PRIMARY STRUCTURE CONTAINING A PUBLIC INSTITUTION OR CIVIC USE IT'S REALLY LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE DESIGN AND RELATED TO THE BUILDING DESIGN WILL CREATE EQUAL OR BETTER VISIBLE INTEREST THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS HIGHLY VISIBLE LOCATION AND THEN ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ARE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES CREATED THAT MITIGATED THE MAXIMUM AND MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE AND THEN IT REALLY STARTS TO FOCUS ON BUILDING DESIGN REQUIREMENTS SO THAT 362 DEGREE ARCHITECTURE BUILDING MATERIALS TRANSPARENCY ETC. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS THIS IS A SECTION SO YOU KIND OF HAVE WHERE YOU KNOW MAYO IS LOCATED IN AN ANNEX D WHICH IS A MIXED USE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WITH A MEDICAL SUBDISTRICT SO THAT'S THEIR BASE ZONING AND

THEN YOU HAVE THE MEDICAL OVERLAY ON TOP OF THAT AND THEN ICONIC BUILDING BECOMES AN ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING DESIGN WITHIN THE UBC THAT KIND OF GETS REFERENCE THE PURPOSE OF YOU KNOW THE ICONIC BUILDING ALTERNATIVE WAS CREATED AND PUT INTO THE UTC A RECOGNIZING THAT THERE MIGHT BE BUILDINGS THAT WE WEREN'T EXPECTING I THINK WE USE THE U.S. BANK STADIUM A LOT AS THE EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THESE LARGER THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT NORMALLY PLAN FOR AND SO THAT WAS REALLY WHERE THIS KIND OF GENERATED FROM AND SO AS WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND LOOKING AT THE MEDICAL OVERLAY IT'S REALLY ALSO LOOKING AT A CAMPUS AND RECOGNIZING ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS TOGETHER REALLY WERE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE TO START TO LOOK AT THE ICONIC BUILDING ARCHITECT ALTERNATIVES AND HOW THAT ALL WORKS TOGETHER

SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE 360 DEGREE ARCHITECTURE SO I ASSUMING THAT MEANS ALSO THE HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS AND THEIR AIRSPACE AND THEIR SHADOW ON OTHER BUILDINGS ARE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM LOOK AT WHEN AN ICONIC BUILDING IS PROPOSED YEAH THERE IS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION WITHIN THAT BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT 360 WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DOES THAT BUILDING LOOK FROM EVERY ANGLE SO IT CAN'T JUST BE WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE'S MY OUR MAIN ADDRESS WE'RE ONLY GOING TO LOOK AT THAT FACADE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT EACH OF THE DIFFERENT ONES WHICH IS WHY I HAVE A FEW ELEVATIONS OF A COUPLE ONES WE'VE LOOKED AT I DIDN'T PUT IN ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE TOO MANY BUT SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT EACH SIDE OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND IF I COULD JUST ADD WE SEE THAT THERE'S IN DOWNTOWN THERE'S NO BACK DOOR RIGHT AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S GOING TO BE LOADING DOCK AND DELIVERY AND SO FORTH BUT IT'S STILL NOT A BACK DOOR IT STILL NEEDS TO HAVE A VISUAL APPEAL COUNCILMEMBER FONER SO I'M READING UP HERE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT THAT'S ROLLING FOR OUR CREATED HAVE BEEN MITIGATED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL PRACTICAL MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT DOES HE DOESN'T THINK IT HAS BEEN DONE SO GOOD JUDGE OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE THAT'S PRACTICAL SO THAT IS WHERE WE LOOK AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT BUILDING DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL PRACTICAL OF REALLY LOOKING AT THAT ULTIMATELY THE DEVELOPMENT APARTMENT DIRECTOR HAS TO SIGN OFF ON THAT SO THAT IS WITHIN COMMUTER APARTMENT THAT IS REVIEWING WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HEARING FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE TAKEN THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS THAT WE LOOK FOR AND THEN MAKING THAT DETERMINATION WHAT CAN PEOPLE DECIDE THAT THEY WANT WITH THE BUILDING PAINTED ORANGE YOU JUST SAY ALL THOSE DEAD PEOPLE WANT IT OR IF YOU ARE YOU SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT WE DON'T REQUIRE SPECIFIC COLORS FOR PAINT IN THAT EXAMPLE SO WE

WOULD LIKE THAT WE HEAR YOU BUT WE CAN'T ALSO MAKE THOSE REQUIREMENTS TOO SO THERE IS KIND OF THIS WHAT WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO KIND OF REQUIRE AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS THAT ARE THAT THE COMMITTEE MIGHT WANT TO SEE BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE THE DEVELOPER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT CAN HEAR THAT FEEDBACK AND ALSO DECIDE TO MAKE CHANGES AS WELL SO I THINK SOMETIMES THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATIONS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT SO THAT THE COMMUNITY IS SHARING THEIR FEEDBACK ON DESIGN AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE DEVELOPER THAT THEY CAN INCORPORATE OR HEAR THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN WE ALSO RECEIVE THAT AS WELL SO I RECEIVE EMAILS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THE GARDEN OR THE PARKING ON THE WEBSITE LITTLE BOARDS AND THEN NOBODY SEEMS TO BE HAPPY WITH IT AND NOW THEY'RE USING BLASTING AND BLASTING TO SITES WHICH THEY NEVER DID KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AND THEY'RE ALL TERRIBLE SO WHY ARE THEY ARE THEY JUST BEING IRRITABLE OR DID THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT SO I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE THE LINEAR PARK ON THE YOU KNOW WHERE THE WEST LOGISTICS WHAT HAPPENS IT'S CALLED THE GRANGER BUILDING AND REALLY LOOKING AT THAT THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY I THINK THERE IS SOME MAYO THAT SAID AT THE LAST COUNTRY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE THAT TO THEM AND SHOWS THEM EXAMPLES BELIEVE IT'S TOMORROW EVENING AND WALK THROUGH AND SHARE SOME OF THAT AND PROBABLY GET FEEDBACK BEFORE WE ACTUALLY BEFORE IT GETS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE FULL SUBMISSION IT HASN'T COME THROUGH THAT PROCESS SO THE FEEDBACK WE TALK ABOUT IS THIS IS THIS I DON'T LIKE CHERRY TREES BUT I WANT APPLE TREE OR I MEAN WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK ARE YOU EXPECTING TO GET THAT THE MAIL IS GOING TO SAY OH YEAH WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT WELL I THINK >> ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE GOING BACK TO IS LOOKING AT WITHIN EITHER THE BUILDING DESIGN OR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UTC THAT DETERMINES SO WITHIN A LANDSCAPE PLAN THERE COULD BE ELEMENTS AS WE KIND OF MOVE FORWARD OF LIKE HOW THEY LOOK AT THOSE BUILDING DESIGN ELEMENTS SO IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET ALL THAT TRANSPARENCY

OR SOME OF THOSE ARE THEY MITIGATING THAT WITH OTHER LANDSCAPING AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT GENERALLY WE WE HAVE CERTAIN GUIDELINES I'M NOT GOING TO TELL I'M NOT GOING TO GO AND SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF TREE NECESSARILY OVER ANOTHER ONE THOSE ARE TO AN EXTENT THAT WE JUST WOULDN'T PROVIDE BUT I THINK THERE'S GENERALLY CONSISTENCY ACROSS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT SO THEY GAVE US THE ELEMENTS THAT THEY TOOK AFTER YOUR VIEWERS COULD JUST PULL A NUMBER THAT THEY TOOK TEN ELEMENTS OFF THEY'RE ONLY USING TWO IS THAT APPROPRIATE OR DID YOU EXPECT THE VIEWS OF ALL OF US TO PULL OFF THE BUILDING I THINK WE JUST HEARD THAT THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THAT YET AND IT'S GOING TO BE SHOWN UNTIL SOMEWHAT TOMORROW NIGHT SO BUT THERE WILL BE SOME FEEDBACK BOTH FROM THE NEIGHBORS BUT IT'S JUST THE TENOR AND COMPLETE COUNCILMEMBER COLORS QUESTION WILL THERE BE FEEDBACK FROM YOUR TEAM THAT THE THIS MEETS WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAD DESIGNATED TO DO WITH THAT THOSE THOSE ARTIFACTS YES THERE WILL LIKELY BE BACK AND FORTH EVER EVEN AFTER THERE'S A SUBMISSION I WOULD SAY FOR MOST OF THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH THAT GOES ON IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HOW DOES THIS ACCOMPLISH DOES IT MEET OUR UDC REQUIREMENTS AND THEN WE HAVE GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS WITH ALL OF THAT AS PART OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS AND SO I THINK THAT IS ALSO ONE WHERE I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE WHEN IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN I THINK SOMETIMES IT THINKS THAT IT COMES IN AND WE JUST STAMP IT WE STILL HAVE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS REVIEW IT AND THERE'S MULTIPLE COMMENTS THAT GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS UNTIL THEY HAVE MET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS SO I WOULD ALSO EXPECT FOR THE LINEAR PARK THAT THERE BE ONCE WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE IT AND REVIEW WITH THE LIKELY PROBABLY BE COMMENTS AND SOME BACK AND FORTH BEFORE

ANYTHING IS APPROVED AND JUST TO PUT A FINER POINT ON IS THIS COUNCIL IN MAKING DECISIONS ON THAT SITE SAID THESE ELEMENTS WILL BE USED THAT WILL BE A LINEAR PARK SO THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT WHAT THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR AND 2021 OR WHENEVER THAT WAS PRESENTED AND WHAT ON THIS TOPIC IF I COULD JUST SAY IT MIGHT BE WORTH GOING BACK AND REVIEWING YOUR LINES LATER SAID OH NO I'M JUST ON THIS TOPIC WHAT WAS SAID AT THE COUNCIL MEETING GO AHEAD AND WE HAVE THAT RIGHT SO YEAH AND WE WOULD WE WOULD SORRY TO I I WOULD WE WOULD CERTAINLY GO BACK AND MAKE SURE AND WE HAVE HEARD THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF THE ELEMENTS FROM WARDS BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE PARK AS BEING A PRIORITY ALONG WITH THERE'S ALSO SOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU KNOW DESIRES AND FEEDBACK THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO ME SPECIFICALLY SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BALANCE THOSE DIFFERENT NEEDS WITHIN THIS LARGER PARK THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO SHARE WITH THIS TEAM VERY MUCH SAYS SHOW AND PUTS IT ON THE ONUS ON THE APPLICANT SHOW US HOW YOU ARE MEETING WHAT HAS BEEN RAISED BY THE COUNCIL WHAT YOU'RE MEETING IN TERMS OF THE CONCERNS RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN AS I INDICATED THAT GETS VETTED INTERNALLY I WOULD ALSO NOTE THINGS LIKE NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF TREE BUT WE'RE GOING TO SAY THIS KIND OF TREE DOESN'T DO WELL IN A FAIR WEATHER CLIMATE YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT SO THERE IS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS THAT KIND OF PROFESSIONAL VETTING BY THE CITY TEAMMATES AND IT'S REALLY GUIDED BY WHAT WE HEAR THAT ONLY FROM THE COUNCIL BUT FROM THE AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS COUNCIL NO YEAH THANK YOU THAT WAS NOT THE QUESTION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ON THAT POINT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ADD SOME TRANSPARENCY TO THOSE PROCESSES AND COME UP WITH A BETTER PUBLIC MEETINGS PROCESS OF OUR CLOSING THE LOOP ON WHETHER SOMEBODY IS GOING TO OPEN COMMENT RAISING AN ISSUE ARE WE

COMMUNICATING THAT YOU YOU'RE NOT ONLY JUST HEARD WE LISTENED TO YOU YOU HAVE YOUR TIME BUT WHAT CAME OF YOUR COMMENTS AND I THINK THAT WITH THOSE PROCESSES TOO OBVIOUSLY VERY TECHNICAL BUT HOW WE THINK ABOUT MAKING A BIT MORE TRANSPARENT ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING OR A COUNCIL LEVEL APPROVAL AFTER THE FACT WHERE THOSE CAN BE SORT OF THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THAT'S THE OTHER SITUATION MY QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT MAYBE I MISSED IT BUT COULD YOU DEFINE WHAT IS THE RUBRIC FOR DETERMINING ADVERSE IMPACT WHAT WHAT IS THAT TECHNICALLY WITHIN A KIND OF BUILDING SO THIS IS KIND >> OF THE LANGUAGES OF UNDERSTANDING LIKE DEPENDING ON WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED RATHER POTENTIAL IMPACTS IT IS THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA WITH THAT BUT IT'S ALSO REALLY RECOGNIZING LIKE DEPENDING ON WHAT SOMEONE MAY BE PROPOSING WHAT WE ARE EVALUATING WITH IN ORDER TO START IT IS A STAFF DETERMINATION AND REVIEW THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT LIKE IS THIS HAVING AN IMPACT DOES SOMETHING ELSE I THINK THE OTHER LEVEL WE'D BE LOOKING AT IS ALL OF OUR OTHER CRITERIA AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER IMPACTS THAT HAVE COME FROM THAT PROCESS AS WELL SO NOT THAT WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE GOING AGAINST THE BUILDING DESIGN AND WE'RE MAKING THOSE CHANGES BUT WE ALSO NEED TO STILL ADDRESS ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND I GUESS MY RELATED QUESTION IS I'M ALSO ASSUMING THAT THE STAFF DETERMINATION IS WHAT IS PRACTICABLE THAT IS CORRECT BECAUSE WITH MORE MONEY AT ANY RIGHT AT SOME POINT ANYTHING COULD BE PRACTICABLE WITH NO BUDGET BUT YOU ARE WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER TO MAKE THAT REASONABLENESS DETERMINATION AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE THE BACK AND FORTH HAPPENS AS WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT LIKE TRANSPARENCY AND LIKE OKAY CAN YOU DO THIS WHAT IS THIS AND IT BECOMES THE BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF WHAT BECOMES POSSIBLE TO DO THAT AND I WOULD ALSO SAY IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THEY DON'T HAVE A BIG ENOUGH CHECK TO RIGHT TO ACHIEVE IT IS THERE IS ALSO ABOUT CONSTRUCTION IMPACT DISRUPTION WHAT'S COMING ON

DOWN THE PIKE SO IT ISN'T JUST THE DOLLAR WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF IT WHAT'S THE BUDGET TO MAKE THIS FEASIBLE BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PART OF THAT WHAT MAKES IT PRACTICAL EFFECT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT LANGUAGE MEANS TO THIS PROCESS CONTINUE THANK YOU SO THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING AT AND THIS IS PART OF SOME OF THE USDP AGREEMENTS THAT YOU SAW AND REVIEWED AND THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO ALL OF THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER WHICH REALLY BECAME PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THE OTHER PIECE I JUST WANTED TO NOTE WAS PART OF OUR THE NORMAL STATE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS WOULD NOT NORMALLY COME BACK TO COUNCIL THE REASON THAT WE BROUGHT AGREEMENTS BACK TO COUNCIL WAS THAT WE WERE KIND OF GOING AWAY FROM OUR TYPICAL PROCESS BY MOVING FORWARD WITH A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL KNOWING WE NEEDED TO TRY TO KIND OF KEEP SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING FORWARD BUT REALIZING SOME OF THAT BUILDING DESIGN AND SUCH AS LANDSCAPE PLANS AS WELL WERE NOT FINALIZED WHICH IS WHY SOME OF THAT WAS ALSO SEEN BY COUNCIL AND THIS IS ALSO JUST REALLY RECOGNIZING THIS SPECIFIC WAS RELATED TO SOMETHING LANDSCAPING AND JUST LIKE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERALL BUT WHAT WE WERE ALSO REALLY LOOKING AT WHEN WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING IS HOW DO ALL THESE BUILDINGS REALLY WORK TOGETHER AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THEIR PLACE AND WHERE THEY'RE PLACED AND WHAT DOES THIS REALLY LOOK LIKE AND ALSO THE ELEMENTS OF STARTING TO SEE ONES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURE AND HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO OTHER BUILDINGS AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT CONSISTENCY ACROSS SO WITH THIS I WE WERE TRYING I WAS TRYING TO PULL OUT SOME DIFFERENT EXAMPLES TO KIND OF FULLY UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT WE SEE AND HOW WE EVALUATE IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT I ONLY I BROUGHT SOME ELEVATIONS FROM NORTH ARRIVAL WITH THIS ONE IS WHICH MIGHT BE HARDER TO SEE BUT THIS IS AT CENTER STREET AND FOURTH AVENUE NORTH NORTHWEST THIS IS THE CORNER YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS REALLY PART OF WHERE YOU CAN SEE GOING UP IT WAS THE STAIR TOWER THIS WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED IN AUGUST OF 2024 SO THIS WAS OUR FIRST

LOOK AT THIS WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT AND I'M JUST GOING TO TALK ABOUT FROM KIND OF THE DESIGN PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF THAT NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE PROBABLY HAD ACROSS BUT REALLY WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE METHODS OF SCREENING AND WHAT IS SHOWING YOU COULD SEE THE INTERNAL RAMP AND IT NEEDED TO LOOK LIKE FLAT FLOORS THERE WERE BLANK WALLS WITHIN IT THERE WERE OTHER FEATURES THAT WEREN'T REALLY PROMINENT SO WHEN WE FIRST GOT THIS WE SAID YOU ARE NOT MEETING THE INTENT OF SOME OF ONE THE BASIC UDC REQUIREMENTS AND THEN IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AT A HIGHER LEVEL THOSE REQUIREMENTS AREN'T BEING MADE WITH THIS ELEVATION AND SO WE PROVIDED THIS FEEDBACK MET WITH THEM AND KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH OF UNDERSTANDING OKAY WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE VERY RIGHT HAND CORNER THE THE LOWER TWO ARE KIND OF LIKE DARK GRAY THOSE WERE KIND OF BLANKED OUT WHICH MEANS THERE WAS NO WAY TO SEE KIND OF INTO THE BUILDING AT THAT POINT AND THAT IS A PRIMARY CORNER WHERE PEDESTRIANS ARE GOING TO BE MOVING AROUND AND SO THEN WHAT CAME NEXT WAS THIS IS STILL NORTH ARRIVAL FROM THE SAME AREA THE BUILDING COMPLETELY CHANGED AND SO THEN WHAT HAPPENED IS WE WE WENT BACK TO KIND OF THE START AND REEVALUATED THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE AGAIN FOR THE BUILDING DESIGN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE SOME OF IT WAS OPEN AND THEN THAT CHANGED IN TERMS OF HOW THE SCREENING WAS THE UPPER FLOOR THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT LIGHT GRAY THAT BECAME JUST A SOLID STRUCTURE BUT THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THEY STARTED PUTTING IN GLASS ON THE FIRST FLOOR SO YOU COULD START TO SEE THERE WAS A CORNER ENTRANCE PUT IN AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE BUILDING AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO GO OUT SO THIS WAS KIND OF THE NEXT PHASE OF OKAY HERE ARE THESE COMMENTS THE OTHER PIECE I WOULD NOTE IS THERE'S ACTUALLY ON THE KIND OF LEFT HAND SIDE THERE'S ACTUALLY A BUILDING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF IT THAT YOU DON'T SEE ON THIS ELEVATION THAT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE SO PART OF THIS IS SEEN AND THIS IS KIND OF HOW WE GO THROUGH AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THAT AND THEN IT SHIFTED AGAIN AND SO WE KIND OF STARTED GETTING

REVIEWED OF WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF OKAY WHAT CAN YOU SEE WHAT IS THE SCREENING AND AS THESE KIND OF EVOLVED IT GOT MORE FORMALIZED IN TERMS OF HOW THE MATERIALS SHOW UP FOR THE SCREENING ABOVE MAINTAIN AND KIND OF ACCESS AND ACCESS AND THOSE OPEN SPACES ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN HOW YOU KIND OF BREAK UP THE SPACE SO YOU KIND OF SO IT JUST DOESN'T BECOME ONE LONG HORIZONTAL SO YOU START TO SEE SOME OF THE VERTICAL ALIGNMENT SO THAT IT STARTS TO BREAK THAT UP FOR EVERYONE TO SEE SO THIS WAS KIND OF THE FIRST TAKE ON THIS STUFF ELEVATION AND THEN I ALSO BROUGHT A COUPLE FROM THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION SO THIS CORNER I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE I GIVE IT THE RIGHT IS CENTER IT'S THE CORNER OF FIRST STREET NORTHWEST AND FIFTH AVENUE NORTHWEST SO IT'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE CORNER WHICH MANY MIGHT CONSIDER THE BACK DOOR WHICH WAS ALSO PROBABLY WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE INITIAL CONCEPT WAS ON THE FAR RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A DOOR KIND OF OUT AND THEN COMPLETELY GRAY SO YOU COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING AND THEN A FULL KIND OF BLOCKED OUT ON THAT CORNER AND SO WE WERE LIKE NO THESE DON'T MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF LIKE BEING ABLE TO SEE YOU AND ALSO SOME OF THAT GLASS HELPS PEOPLE WAYFINDING OR BE ABLE TO ACCESS SO WE CONTINUE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEN ULTIMATELY AS WE MOVE FORWARD WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE A GLASS STEP STAIR TOWER ALL THE WAY UP THE BUILDING ON THE BACK AREA AND THEN STARTED TO LOOK AT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE OTHER IS WHERE AREAS THAT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO BE ACCESS AND PART OF IT WAS THERE GOING TO BE ZERO LOT LINE AGAINST ANOTHER BUILDING THERE WERE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAD TO KIND OF TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SO HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT WITH MATERIALS AND COLOR SO THAT STARTS TO BREAK IT UP AND HOW DOES THAT GET CREATED OVER TIME SO IT'S VISUALLY INTERESTING FOR A PEDESTRIAN AND THEN THE OTHER ELEMENT TO SOME OF THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING OF HOW DO YOU ALSO INCORPORATE LANDSCAPING AROUND THIS WHOLE AREA SO THAT THAT HELPS DRIVE

THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE COUNCILMEMBER I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RECTANGLE THERE BECAUSE ARTWORK COMES UP QUITE A BIT SO THE TEXT AS I READ IT SAYS PROPOSED LOCATION FOR FUTURE ART WORKING IN FRONT OF TWO SCREEN FACADE YES IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THAT BECAUSE THIS WHOLE ROOM COULD BE POTENTIAL FUTURE ARTWORK WE COULD PROPOSE THAT SOMEDAY WE'RE GOING TO PUT A STATUE HERE OR SOMETHING I WOULD HOLD THOSE STANDARDS TO ANY ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION SO IT'S PART OF THE REASON IT'S DOCUMENTED IN THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO WHEN WE GET DOWN TO A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN HOLD UP IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS WITH WITH MAYO CLINIC ON WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE HERE THEY ARE VERY AWARE THAT THIS IS A COMPONENT OF IT AND ALSO HOW THEY'RE PLANNING FOR ARTWORK ACROSS THE CAMPUS SO THIS IS ONE ELEMENT OF A LARGER THING THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON BUT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TIMING BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT AS PART OF THE REASON IT'S DOCUMENTED IN THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO THAT ALLOWS US TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE IF I MIGHT ALSO ADD IT'S ALSO WHERE THE POTENTIAL ARTWORK IS IS WHERE DEVELOPMENT COULD OCCUR IN FRONT SO THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE BALANCE OF ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT'S REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE NOT ONLY FOR THE DEVELOPER BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S A DEVELOPMENT SITE THAT SITS IN FRONT OF IT EVENTUALLY THAT ARTWORK COULD BE REMOVED SURE IT COULD BE MOVED TO IT YEAH WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS SO THAT'S PART OF THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE BUT I JUST BRING THIS UP AGAIN BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S COME UP BEFORE THE COUNCIL WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF MAPS WITH LITTLE RED TRIANGLES THAT THIS COULD BE ART THIS COULD BE A POCKET PARK WOULDN'T BE SO NICE AND THEN WE COME TO EAST LOGISTICS WHICH STILL HAS A GRAVEL LOT NEXT TO IT WHICH WAS A POTENTIAL POP UP PARK AND I KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S IN PROGRESS BUT IT DOES

FEEL HARD TO HEAR THE NICE VISIONARY PLAN BUT THEN WHEN THE ESSENTIALS ARE BUILT AND IT IS NICE TO HAVE PUBLIC SPACE ISN'T YET OR MAYBE IT'S COMING IN THE FUTURE OR WHEN WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE HOLDING THAT ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUE TO REASONABLENESS TO A REASONABLE TIME FOR PUTTING IT IN THERE CAN I AND I'M GOING TO LET IRENE ANSWER TO THAT BUT I WILL SAY PART OF THAT GIVE AND TAKE ALSO IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE IF WE DIDN'T LET THEM USE THAT FOR STAGING STAGING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE AND COULD BE AN EVEN GREATER DISRUPTION SO TOTALLY APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND THAT FRUSTRATION BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING WHERE WOULD STAGING OCCUR THEN THAT WOULD BE LIKELY MORE DISRUPTIVE BUT I THINK YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT AND I WAS JUST GOING TO NOTE THAT I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO USE THAT AS A STAGING AREA AND GAVE A TIMELINE AS TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED TO GO BACK AND DO THAT AND I THINK THAT IS DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE FINALIZING WITH MAYO OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR CONSTRUCTION I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY A MEETING THIS WEEK TO BE ABLE TO THEN PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD START THIS SUMMER TO FINALIZE BOTH OF THOSE SPACES SO THE LAST SLIDE I HAVE WE KIND OF KIND OF MOVE THROUGH FAIRLY QUICKLY BUT WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH ON SOME OF THE PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE I THINK I MISSED YOU ON THERE BUT SOME OF THESE THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED AS PROSPECT FOR UTILITY PLAN AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS HAPPENING THERE THE EAST GONE TO ENTRANCE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AND CLOSE DOWN THE ONE TO GO FORWARD THE NORTH ARRIVAL AND THEN THE SOUTH PARKING BOTH OF THOSE ARE KIND OF THERE ARE BUILDING PERMITS AND MOVING FORWARD THE OTHER TWO THAT I I REALIZE I MISSED BUT I LOOK TODAY THERE THE UTILITY TUNNEL FOR AUSTIN THAT WAS APPROVED ALONG WITH THE FOUNDATION FOR USMAN AND THE BELOW SLAB PLUMBING SO THAT IS MOVING FORWARD CURRENTLY IN REVIEW AND PLAN REVIEW RIGHT NOW IS THE

WATERMAN FOUNDATION AND THEN THE GEOTHERMAL FOR AUSMIN SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE IN PLAN REVIEW RIGHT NOW AND EXPECT TO GO OUT AND PROBABLY THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO SO I'M GOING TO ASK A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS WATER THEN IS THAT THE FORMER DAVE AND PARTS OF GRANTHAM YEAH OKAY SO NUMBER THREE SO I'M LOOKING AT THE OVERHEAD HERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WATER MAIN BUILDING BASICALLY JUST BLENDS INTO INTO THE OLD MALE BUILDING AND THE SECOND I'M GOING TO GO AND IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR THIRD SLIDE THIS ONE THERE NOW THERE I SEE A VERY AIRY CONNECTION WHERE YOU HAVE SKYWAYS THAT ARE AT MAYBE THE SEVEN LEVEL THERE AND I HAVE SEEN SOME ELEVATIONS NOW THAT CLOSE THAT AIRY SPACE THERE AND THAT CAN BE WOULD MEAN A AN IMPACT ON THE SHADOWS TO THE CHURCH TO BOTH CHURCHES AND SO HOW IS THAT REVIEW IF THAT IF THAT SO CONNECTION IS MAKING AT ONE MASS SO >> I THINK THE THE PLAN AND I CAN I CAN SAY ON THIS ONE THE KIND OF POINT I THINK THEY'RE SHOWING THE OVERALL FOOTPRINTS OF WHERE IT GOES BUT THEN I ALSO THINK THERE IS THIS IS A EARLY RENDERING WHICH IS ALSO WHY WE DEFINITELY DON'T REVIEW THE RENDERINGS WE THAT'S WHY THE ELEVATIONS ARE INCLUDED BECAUSE THEY'RE THE MORE TECHNICAL OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BUILT THERE IS KIND OF A UTILITY CORE THAT IS IN BETWEEN THOSE THAT IS WITHIN THE WATER THEN THAT KIND OF CONNECTS WATER MAIN TO GANDER AND SO THOSE BUILDINGS WILL CONNECT AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S COMPLETELY BUT AN ELEMENT THERE THERE IS STILL YOU CAN STILL SEE THOSE CONNECTIONS ACROSS THE SKYWAY AS WELL SO THERE ARE THOSE HORIZONTAL ELEMENTS

ACROSS BUT THERE IS A KIND OF ANOTHER ELEMENT IN BETWEEN WHERE A WATER MAIN IS STICKING UP AND UNDER SO THERE WILL NOT BE AIR SPACE AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T TAKE UP THE ENTIRE BUT THERE IS ANOTHER VERTICAL ELEMENT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A UPDATED RENDERING FROM MAIL BECAUSE THIS IS THE UNIVERSE SO WE'VE BEEN WATCHING SO LOOKING AT THAT ELEVATION FOR THREE YEARS NOW AND SO IF THERE'S A DRASTIC CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT'S GOING TO LOOK ON OUR SKYWAY SKYLINE AND WE SHOULD SO I WE HAVE ELEVATIONS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS AND THEY ARE PUBLIC AND I CAN SHARE THAT FOR THE WATERMEN BUILDING BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS THAT CAME IN WE DON'T NECESSARILY WE DON'T REQUIRE RENDERINGS FOR THAT WE ONLY WOULD HAVE THE ELEVATION AND I CAN CERTAINLY SHOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A RENDERING YET AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE ONE HERE THIS ALREADY HELPS US GET ONE BECAUSE I SEE I THINK WITH THAT IF IT'S ALL RIGHT I WILL TURN IT TO THE GO AHEAD ALL RIGHT SO >> GOOD EVENING HERE IT JUST TOUCHED ON TWO TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS AND THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT OUR PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM IS WORKING ON SO THE FIRST IS SIXTH STREET BRIDGE RIVERFRONT AND A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT PROJECT SO WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS OF LATE ON THIS PROJECT THIS IS JUST UNDER A THREE QUARTER MILE STRETCH ON SIXTH STREET SOUTH GOING TWO BLOCKS WEST TO BROADWAY TO ALL THE WAY TO THE BEAR CREEK BRIDGE ON THE EAST SIDE DOWNTOWN NO IT SAYS HERE THERE WERE A 90% DESIGN PHASE IN TWO DAYS ON WEDNESDAY WILL BE AT 100% DESIGN PHASE THOSE DESIGN

PLANS WILL BE SUBMITTING TO MID TO BEGIN FINAL PLAN REVIEW SO THAT'S A MAJOR MILESTONE FOR THE PROJECT GET A TOTAL PROJECT COST TO STAY IN CONSISTENT THAT'S $36.8 MILLION BUDGET LEVEL FOUR DESIGN RIGHT AWAY AND CONSTRUCTION WE'VE RECENTLY BEEN WORKING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY FOR THAT FOR THE PROJECT WE'RE ABOUT 70 TO 80% THROUGH THAT PROCESS WORKING WITH FINAL NEGOTIATIONS THE FINAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN WE ARE WORKING ACTIVELY WE HAVE A MINNESOTA DNR PUBLIC WORKS PERMIT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND JUST HAVE THAT COMPLETED WE HAVE TWO PERMITS WITH THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WHERE WE'RE EXPECTING TO WRAP UP IN THE NEXT 2 TO 4 MONTHS AND A PERMIT WITH FEMA AND THEN WE'RE ALSO DIRECTLY ENGAGING WITH THE CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILROAD THAT OWNS THE RAIL SPUR JUST EAST OF THE RIVER AND WE'RE WORKING ON CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THEM UTILITY PERMITTING FOR THE BELOW GROUND UTILITIES THAT WILL GO UNDER THE RAIL SPUR AND ALSO EASEMENTS EASEMENT RIGHTS FOR IT TO ACCOMPLISH THE PARKING FOR THE NEXT PROJECT AROUND TOUCH ON IS THE SOUTH BROADWAY PROJECT SO THIS IS THE ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS WAS >> PLANNED FOR THIS WAS THE OR THIS IS THE MG SCUSE ME SO AGAIN WE HAVE $2.5 MILLION IN FUNDING IN FEDERAL JARGON THEY CALL IT A PLANNING GRANT WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS IT COVERS THE PLANNING PHASE AND THE DESIGN PHASE OF THE PROJECT OUR TEAM HAS HAD SEVERAL ROUNDS OF FEDERAL HIGHWAYS WHO ARE ADMINISTRATING THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND LANGUAGE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN GOOD ALIGNMENT WITH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION

SO AGAIN THIS PROJECT WILL FOCUS ON THE SOUTH BROADWAY CORRIDOR STARTING IN NINTH STREET SOUTHEAST AND MOVING NORTH JUST TO THE LOWER END OF DOWNTOWN ON FOURTH STREET SOUTHEAST IT'S A COMPLETE STREET PROJECT SO GETTING A ROADWAY BEING THE FORMER STATE HIGHWAY THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT IS TO CREATE A COMPLETE STREET CALM TRAFFIC AND INCREASE COMFORT FOR MULTIPLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION BOTH IN THE NORTH SOUTH AND EAST WEST DIRECTIONS I'M JUST ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE NEW SIXTH STREET BRIDGE SO IF YOU CONSIDER THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS WORK ON HIGHWAY 14 INTERCHANGE PROJECT WHICH WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN 2027 THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR ON THE SOUTH END OF BROADWAY WILL SEE A BIG CHIP TURNOVER HAPPENING AND HOW IT LOOKS AND FEELS IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS AS WE MOVE THROUGH AGAIN FOR THIS PARTICULAR STRETCH WE ONLY HAVE DESIGN MONEY BUT OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO APPLY FOR CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS AFTER THE DESIGN IS COMPLETED WE'LL BE HAVING A TWO STEP PROCESS THAT WAS DICTATED BY THE FEDERAL HIGHWAYS THAT THEY WANT US TO BUILD ORIGINAL PLANNING AND GOOD ABOUT 6,070% DESIGN GO COMPLETELY THROUGH THE NEPA PROCESS AND THEN COME BACK WITH A SECOND PHASE OF DESIGN WHICH WILL GET US TO 100% PLAN COMPLETION A NUMBER SO SO NINE STREETS OFF TO 12TH STREET IS THAT NOT FOR THAT WITH BEING DONE ON THE PART OF THE INTERSECTION THE INTERSECTION IS IN THIS SCOPE OF WORK BUT JUST SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION IS THE HIGHWAY 14 INTERCHANGE PROJECT SO FROM 9 TO 12 IS ARE WE DOING ANYTHING THAT'D BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR YOU THAT'S STILL EXIST WORKING ON IT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT YEAH THERE IS SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THERE THAT'S TIED TO MINDANAO PROJECT WAS RECONSTRUCTING THAT INTERSECTION OKAY SO >> SO WE'RE GOING TO CALL THAT

BASICALLY CLOSE THAT INTERSECTION ARE WE THEN GOING TO DO THIS PROJECT AT THE SAME TIME ARE YOU TELLING ME WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE INTERSECTION THERE WE'RE CLOSED THAT ROAD TWO YEARS LATER THIS ROAD WE DON'T HAVE CONSTRUCTION WORK CURRENTLY BUDGETED SO THERE'S NO PLAN TO DO ANY CONSTRUCTION WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR GRANT THING SO THIS IS JUST DESIGN WORK WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO TO COMBINE THAT WITH THAT WITH MINDANAO TELL THEM TO WAIT A YEAR OR TWO WELL I MEAN MINDA HAS THEIR OWN PRESCRIBED FORMULA FOR FUNDING THAT PROJECTS BEEN IN THE QUEUE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT IT'S YOUR MINDA HAS ALSO SEEN SIGNIFICANT DELAYS WITH THAT PROJECT I THINK ORIGINALLY THAT WAS PROBABLY THE EARLIEST DATE I CAN REMEMBER IS 2025 ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND SO IT'S BEEN SLOWING I MEAN LET'S GET READY AND I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE AGREEABLE TO SLIDING THAT FURTHER TO WAIT FOR US TO GET GRANT FUNDING FOR THIS NEXT STRETCH SO OUR HOPE IS TO GET THOSE DESIGNED AND READY SO THAT WE'RE READY TO GO ALL FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO DO CONSTRUCTION IN AND VISIT NOT ONLY WITH MENDOZA'S INTERSECTION BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT OBVIOUSLY IS GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN AND IF I ALSO MAY ADD THE SIXTH STREET BRIDGE PROJECT THE PROJECT WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION LATER THIS CALENDAR YEAR AND THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO USE THE RIGHT SHOULDER BROADWAY TO STAGE FOR THE BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION AND SO THAT PROJECT WILL BE TYING UP A PORTION OF THIS ROADWAY SEGMENT SO WE WOULDN'T WANT THIS PROJECT ON BROADWAY IN THE SIXTH STREET BRIDGE HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THOSE CONSTRUCTION STAGING AREAS WOULD OVERLAP SO THAT AT OUR BUSIEST INTERSECTION CROSS STREET AND BROADWAY YOU KNOW AND RECORDED FOR THREE YEARS WE REQUESTED ONE YEAR FOR THE INTERSECTION AND CLOSE CLOSET AGAIN FOR IT FOR AN EIGHTH STREET I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE DURATION OF THE FULL CLOSURES AND DIRECTLY ENGAGE WITH THE PROJECT TEAM BUT YOU KNOW DETOURS FOR THAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC WILL BE LIKE THE

DURATION OF ANY DETOURS THAT ARE INVOLVED THERE WILL BE THEY'LL TEND TO LIMIT THEM JUST BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PORTION OF THAT INTERSECTION WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WHILE THEY LET TRAFFIC THROUGH THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS PHASING INVOLVED IN GETTING THAT INTERSECTION LEAD IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A COMPLETE CLOSURE FOR YEARS AT A TIME THAT'S >> NOT GOING TO BE WHAT WE DID IN NORTH PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE THING WE'RE GOING TO DO HAPPEN NOW >> IT'S LIKELY I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD THE BEST PLANS BUT SO YOU'RE HEARING COUNCILMEMBER PONDER I'M HEARING HIS CONCERNS CONCERNS OKAY SO WE ALSO HAVE TO GO LOOK JUST LIKE YOU VERY WELL WE THINK WE'RE OKAY YEAH YEAH SO VERY QUICKLY WE'RE GETTING VERY INTERESTED AND I MEAN I CAN STAY OVER THERE YEAH THIS IS I WAS JUST GOING TO SHOW THIS NOT GO THROUGH ANYTHING HERE'S JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT TRANSFORMATIONAL CAPITAL PROJECT HAPPENING ACROSS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY HERE'S JUST EIGHT THAT WE DECIDED TO SHOWCASE FOR YOU WHERE THEY'RE AT IN TERMS OF A QUICK MILESTONE THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF YOU LIKE THE NINE COUNCIL MEMBER IT'S A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE LAND SERVICE LINE REPLACEMENT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE WERE GOING TO BE GOING OUT A BIT EARLY WITH WHERE ARE WE ON AT THIS YEAR FOR IF I OF FUTURE I WANT TO GET AN UPDATE FROM REGISTERED PUBLIC UTILITIES WE KNOW THAT ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THESE PROJECTS YOU KNOW OKAY SO THEN TALKING ABOUT DASHBOARD WE INCLUDED THIS BECAUSE ONE IT'S A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW PUBLIC INVESTMENT IS LEVERAGING PRIVATE INVESTMENT BUT IT'S ALSO A DASHBOARD OF DATA THAT YOU RECEIVE EVERY MONTH THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE CARRYING DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE IS DOING AND SO THAT'S THE SEGUE WAY INTO OUR CONVERSATION WITH OUR PARTNERS AT DMC ON MEASURING THE IMPACT OF THESE PROJECTS AND WHAT WOULD RESONATE MOST

CLOSELY FOR COUNCIL AS WE COME BACK AND REPORT ON IT ALL RIGHT WELL I WILL WRAP US UP WITH A WONDERFUL DATA DISCUSSION AFTER THREE HOURS OF TALKING ABOUT BROOK CARLSON WITH THE EMCEE REALLY PLEASED TO BE HERE WITH ALL OF YOU HERE COMES PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS NOT THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TO TALK TOGETHER ABOUT HOW WE DO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THESE CAPITAL TRANSFORMATIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE DMC DISTRICT SO WE ARE WANTING TO DEVELOP A NEW APPROACH IN DOING SO AND AS PART OF THIS PROCESS IT IS OBVIOUSLY CRITICAL TO COME BACK TO SPEAK WITH ALL OF YOU AND CONNECT ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU AS CITY COUNCIL SO OUR GOALS FOR THIS NEW APPROACH ARE TO ESTABLISH A SET OF PROJECT SPECIFIC KEY METRICS KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS OR METRICS THAT REFLECT AND FEED UP TO THE COUNCIL AND DMC'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND OUR OVERARCHING METRICS WE WOULD LIKE TO COLLECT DATA BEFORE DURING AND AFTER SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS AND THEN PROVIDE UPDATES BACK TO ALL OF YOU THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO INFORM YOUR DECISION MAKING AND UNDERSTAND IMPACT WHICH OF COURSE HAS BEEN A THEME THROUGHOUT THIS CONVERSATION TODAY IS HOW DO WE USE DATA TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS ALL RIGHT SO YOU ALL KNOW YOUR CITY COUNCIL STRATEGIC PRIORITIES ARE A REMINDER THAT THE DMC JUST WENT THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE THAT ALL OF YOU WERE PART OF AND ESTABLISHED THREE NEW STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OF OURS COLLECTIVELY WHICH TWO OF THEM ARE RELEVANT FOR DISCUSSION TODAY SO I PULLED OUT DESIGN FOR WELLBEING AND DRIVE PURPOSEFUL GROWTH AND A FEW OF THE OVERARCHING METRICS THAT FALL UNDER THOSE THAT ARE RELEVANT TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS A REMINDER THAT WE ALSO HAVE ACCELERATE HEALTH TECH INNOVATION AS OUR THIRD PRIORITY AREA BUS FOR OUR

DISCUSSION TODAY BUT ALWAYS A DISCUSSION TO HAVE WITH YOU ALL YOU RECENTLY REVIEWED A SET OF KPIS FOR YOUR OWN STRATEGIC PRIORITIES I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN FEBRUARY I REVIEWED THAT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME RELEVANT KPIS UNDER THAT ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THAT STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ON THAT WE WERE PULL FROM AS WELL BUT THIS WAS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK MORE BROADLY ABOUT WHAT SPECIFIC TO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND SPECIFIC TO DMC INVESTMENT OC SO REALLY THAT IS MY PRESENTATION IT'S ABOUT HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH ALL OF YOU TODAY SO THAT SHOULD BE JUST A CHANCE FOR ALL OF YOU TO WEIGH IN AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FRAME IT AS WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT COME UP FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS ALL THE TIME RELATED TO THESE PROJECTS AND THIS IS A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF ISSUES WHAT ARE SOME REGULAR QUESTIONS THAT COME UP AND HOW WE MIGHT MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRACKING IMPACT AGAINST THOSE CONCERNS AS WELL AS OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE OR OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT WILL HELP YOU MAKE DECISIONS WHEN WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT BUDGET ITEM BEFORE US FOR AND WITHIN THE DMC DISTRICT AND THEN ALSO HOW DO WE REALLY TELL THE STORY OF OUR IMPACT IN A WAY THAT MATTERS TO ALL OF YOU THAT MATTERS TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS SO THAT IS THE DISCUSSION FOR TODAY BUT I THOUGHT AN INITIAL QUESTION WOULD REALLY BE AROUND WHAT SORT OF QUESTIONS DO COME UP FOR YOU RELATED TO YOUR CONSIDER TO ANSWER I KNOW SOME OF THEM BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL THE SPACE TO TO SHARE I THINK IF I COULD START I WAS GOING TO ASK OUR NEIGHBORS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO MITIGATE THAT CHANGE

HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COMMUNICATING THAT CHANGE IN A WAY THAT IS A TOTALLY DISRUPTIVE IN ONE SHOT IS MY FAVORITE >> WORD A GLIDE PATH TO THAT CHANGE SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FROM FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD STANDPOINT AND I THINK IT ALSO ALSO REALLY RELATES TO THAT ON YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDE YOU TALK ABOUT THE AUTHENTICITY OF ROCHESTER IS AUTHENTIC CULTURE IT'S REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GROWING SO FAST WITH ALL OF THESE ICONIC BUILDINGS THAT WE CROWD OUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BUILT HERE I REMEMBER SURE I'LL TALK ABOUT MY CONSTITUENTS BUT ONE COMMENT I HEAR SOMEWHAT FREQUENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY HAS THE ME IS FORCING MY PROPERTY TAXES TO GO SO I THINK HOW WE COMMUNICATE RETURN ON INVESTMENT HOW WE TELL THE STORY OF HOW OUR INVESTMENTS IN THE DMC DISTRICT DO OR DON'T OFFSET PROPERTY TAX INCREASES OUTSIDE OF THAT DISTRICT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT ONE I UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THOSE INVESTMENTS SO I THINK ROI AND I ALSO THINK IF WE LOOKED AT SOME PER CAPITA NUMBERS EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION UNDERSTANDING THE COST OF CITY SERVICES PER CAPITA IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ARE THERE MORE EFFICIENT AREAS WHAT IS THE COST PER RESIDENT AND WERE TOO AGGRESSIVE PART WHATEVER TO PROVIDE SNOW REMOVAL VERSUS OUTSIDE ARE THERE IS THIS YOU KNOW INVESTMENT AREA STRATEGICALLY SETTING US UP AS A CITY TO BE MORE FINANCIALLY RESILIENT IN

THE LONG TERM WE'RE NOT AND HOW DO WE MEASURE THAT I MENTIONED THE URBAN THREE ANALYSIS COMING OUT IN THE POLICY REVIEW BUT I THINK LOT OF THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT UNDERSTANDINGS AND WE'LL HAVE SOME VISUALS PARTICULARLY THEY HELP COMMUNICATE THAT STORY IN A VERY CLEAR AND EASILY DIGESTIBLE WAY NOT NECESSARILY FOR SOME OF THE SUITABILITY REQUIREMENTS THE WEBSITE AND COMPLEX VISUALS SURE BUT I THINK OF THOSE TOOLS AS HOW THEY TELL A VERY COMPLEX STORY AND MORE DIGESTIBLE WAYS AND THEN I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK SOME OF OUR DISCUSSION AROUND THE KPI SESSION OR WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS ARE THEY OCCUPIED TO HELP ATTRACT OR ARE WE ON A NET GAIN OR LOSING OWNERSHIP OCCUPANCY OPPORTUNITIES IN THESE ADJACENT AREAS CREATE AND MAYBE EVEN LIKE PROGRESS TOWARDS OUR WHERE THERE ARE BEEN DEFINED PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS AND WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS TOWARDS CREATING THOSE CONNECTIONS WOULD ALSO RELATED TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TEAM YEAH I'M JUST I'M ACTUALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS CHART BECAUSE THERE'S THREE PROJECTS AND THE PROJECTS ARE MAIL PROJECTS NOT THE EMPTY PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DMC FUNDED PROJECT RIGHT AND I'M LOOKING AT LIKE WHEN COUNCILMEMBER MILLER MENTIONED HOW ARE YOU DRIVING I THINK THAT'S MUCH MORE DIRECTED AT MALE THAN IT IS THAT DMC >> IF I CAN CLARIFY I MEAN WE'RE GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS WE DO THE $38 MILLION OF DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT YEAH WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF MEASURING IMPACT AS WE

THINK ABOUT THE 8 MILLION AND CUTS PART WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN ADDITION TO YEAH BUT I GUESS THE BRIDGING IS DO DOES THE PERSON SITTING IN THE SOUTH ROCHESTER NEIGHBORHOOD KNOW THAT THERE'S 3 MILLION GOING OUT IN THIS PLACE OR DO THEY JUST SEE MAJOR UPHEAVAL I MEAN DO THEY REALLY AND THAT'S WHEN SAYS COMMUNICATING PROJECT IMPACTS BECAUSE I REALLY I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT LIKE I MEAN I STILL COMMUNICATE A FAIR AMOUNT OF LIKE THE TRUE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF THE CITY IS DRIVEN BY MALE AND IT DRIVES THIS OTHER SORT OF QUALITY OF LIFE THINGS BUT I MIGHT MY TAKE WOULD BE IS THEY ALL PEOPLE ARE LOOKING OUT FOR MALE AND THE CITY SHOULD BE LOOKING OUT FOR OTHER THAN MALE AND I THINK THAT'S A THING THAT'S HARD ON ME TO THINK THAT YOU KNOW THE DESIGN POINT OF SAYING LIKE YEAH WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE NORTH AND RIVAL WELL WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING BUT AREN'T GOING TO MALE AND IS SOMEBODY LOOKING OUT FOR THAT LIFESTYLE AND WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE I'M LOOKING THERE AT IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE IF YOU IF YOU GO UNDER LIKE DRIVING UP TAXES I THINK THAT'S A BIG CONCERN AND I THINK PART OF THE DMC ALIGNED WITH THE RECOVERY FROM 2008 WHERE HOUSING VALUES WERE GOING UP AS DMC WAS GETTING CIRCULATED IN THE COMMUNITY I THINK IT DID LEAD TOWARDS A BELIEF THAT THAT WAS HURTING YOU KNOW MAYBE IT'S PROVING THEIR PROPERTY VALUES BUT IT'S HURTING THEIR THEIR YEARLY TAX RATES BUT THEN SAME THING WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITH THERE'S THIS KIND OF HEART AND DEED GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT EVERYTHING IS GOOD FOR AND THAT CONSTRUCTION IS VERY DIFFICULT ON LOCAL BUSINESSES AND GOING DOWNTOWN IS DIFFICULT BUT IS THERE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE COMMUNICATING PROJECT IMPACT BUT IT'S ALSO COMMUNICATING A VIABLE FUTURE SO EVEN WHETHER YOU INTENDED TO OR NOT YOU TO SEVERAL METRICS

THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND I THINK THAT BEING ABLE TO EITHER COLLECTIVELY DESCRIBE OR DIFFERENTIATE IN SOME WAY WHAT WAS THE DMC PROJECT FUNDED IMPACT COMPARED TO WHAT WHAT ARE THE SORT OF LARGER INFLUENCES FROM THE CHANGES MILL IS MAKING IS CRITICAL REMEMBER ONE OF THE POINT I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSITION OF DMC FROM EARLY ON BEING LIKE PUBLIC DISCOVERY SQUARE AND THEN MOVING TOWARDS PUBLIC REALM AND MOVING RIGHT NOW THE IDEA OF TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE THEY'RE A LITTLE FAR THEY'RE NOT AS VISIBLE BUT I THINK THIS IDEA OF COMMUNICATING THIS IDEA OF THE THESE ARE TRANSFORMATIONAL TRENDS TRANSPORTATION CHANGES COMING AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE LIKE TALKING ABOUT THAT ENOUGH TO SAY THIS ISN'T I MEAN THIS MIGHT BE A MAJOR INVESTMENT DONE TO IMPROVE MAYO'S ABILITY TO GET EMPLOYED DOWNTOWN BUT AT THE SAME IT CAN ALSO BE A MAJOR CHANGE TO HOW PEOPLE MOVE WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY AND I KNOW AS I GO AND LOOK AT MORE FOR THAT QUALITY OF LIFE STUFF AND THEN REALLY COULD BE A SOMETHING THAT COULD MAYBE AN INDICATOR MAYBE A MEASUREMENT BUT TO ME IT'S MORE OF THE MARKETING OF THAT ADDS ON YEAH A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT COUNCILMEMBER PAUL THANK YOU I GUESS I THINK I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S THAT IMPORTANT DIFFICULT TO GET DOWNTOWN AND SHOP DOWNTOWN AND GO TO THE AIRPORT FOR YOUR APPOINTMENTS BUT I SEE THAT THE AMC INVESTMENT OF THE UNDERGROUND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE SEWERS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MONEY THAT PROVIDING FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS BEING PAID FOR BY BY OTHER PEOPLE THAT THAT COULD BE USED OTHER WAYS TO IN ROCHESTER AND

SO I SEE THIS AS BEING HUGE I ALSO SEE A $180 MILLION OUR TEAM COMING IN THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE GREATLY AND I THINK THAT THAT WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT TO COME INTO PLAY BUT JUST I HOW YOU BROUGHT UP THAT $1 MILLION QUESTION IS WE HAVE $8 MILLION GOING TO SKI PARK AREA THAT'S NOT THE DMC AREA SO WHERE'S THE STRATEGY RIGHT NOW SO PART OF THAT STRATEGY IS TO ENGAGE WITH THE SKI NEIGHBORHOOD ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE DOLLARS PRIORITIZED AND ULTIMATELY BRING FORWARD THAT STRATEGY THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO INCLUDE A BOUNDARY MODIFICATION FOR BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE DMC BOARD TO APPROVE IN ORDER FOR THOSE DOLLARS IF BECAUSE THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE COUNTRY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE NOT IN THE DMC DISTRICT AND SO IF THERE ARE REQUESTED IMPROVEMENTS THAT FALL BEYOND THOSE BOUNDARIES WE HAVE TO DO 90 MINUTE VACATION AND BRING THAT FORWARD WELL >> WE'VE ASKED FOR BY BEFORE AND IT'S A PET PEEVE OF MINE THIS IS THE NORTH PARKING LOT BY THE REC CENTER AND WE SAID NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE LIBRARY YOU HAVE OUR FRIENDS THAT OBVIOUSLY COUNTY THAT WANT IT TO BE EXTENDED DOWN TO THE FAIRGROUNDS SO THEY CAN THEY CAN GET SOME OF THAT AS YOU ALLUDED IT IT DILUTES IT AND I LOOK AT THE COUNTRY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S I BELIEVE I GET MY NUMBERS RIGHT 70% RENTAL RATE NOW AND IN WAITING TO BE INVESTED AS FAR AS APARTMENTS AND STUFF AND WE JUST NEED THAT THERE VERY LITTLE TO SAVE A FAMILY RIGHT SO I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF OPEN TALK THAT WE'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING THEIR BOUNDARIES SO I WOULD SAY BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR OFFER $8 MILLION TO SERVE JESUS IS WILLING TO CHANGE THE BOUNDARIES SO AGAIN PUBLIC CHANGE IS GOING TO BE I THINK A

DIFFICULT THING FOR ANYBODY TO DO I REMEMBER COMING IN MY ROOM OTHER COMMENT ABOUT THIS IS THAT COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER MILLER JUST ONE FINAL COMMENT I THINK WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND TELLING THE STORY I ALSO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE TELLING THE STORY TO THE STATE OF MINNESOTA TO THE LEGISLATURE WHO MADE THAT INVESTMENT AS WE TALKED ABOUT LGA IT FEELS LIKE SOMETIMES THAT CONVERSATION HAS OR ROCHESTER ALREADY HAS SAID IN A SORT OF PUBLIC DOLLARS THROUGH THE DONORS THE LEGISLATION SO THERE'S NO NEED TO REFORM OUT HERE I THINK HOW WE TELL THAT STORY OF WHY DON'T ROCHESTER MEANS TO THE STATE ALSO GIVES THE COUNTY AS AN AUDIENCE THE BENEFICIARY OF FROM A PROPERTY TAX PERSPECTIVE AND THINKING ABOUT ALL THE AUDIENCES AND FRAMING THAT INFORMATION AT A HIGH LEVEL THAT'S ACTIONABLE AND DIGESTIBLE TO EACH OF THOSE AUDIENCES MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSING ON ONE TYPE OF USER OF THAT DATA AND THE SECOND OWNER FUNDER ENDS UP HERE TO PROVE TO ANY ABSOLUTELY I JUST HAVE ONE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT AND COUNCILMEMBER KEAN MAYBE I THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THE I DON'T THINK OF MAIL AND THE CITY AND EVEN IF YOU HAD TO BE AS DISTINCT ENTITIES I THINK WE ALL DRIVE EACH OTHER BETTER AND I THINK OUR ROLE AS A CITY IS NOT IS IS TO ALSO HELP OUR LARGEST EMPLOYER COMMUNICATE THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND TO TO US AND AND PART OF IT IS ALSO AND

I KNOW YOU FOLKS DO THIS I KNOW REGULAR BASIS IS ALSO TO HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE ON YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST NOT JUST FOR MAYO CLINIC BUT ALSO FOR THEIR CITY AS WELL OR AND THE DMC DISTRICT AS A WHOLE WHICH IS A STATE FUNDED AREA SO COUNCILMEMBER DAWN YET >> I WANT TO PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT SCHUMAN JUST SAID AS WELL YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT WE HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS IN WARD SIX I DO NOT HEAR I HEAR ABOUT THAT BMC DISTRICT MAYO IN A CITY BEING AS VERY DISTINCT ENTITIES AND THAT THERE'S NOT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF COLLABORATION OR A LOT OF BENEFIT BETWEEN THOSE TWO THOSE THREE ENTITIES WORKING TOGETHER SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT QUIPPED MORE WITH INFORMATION IN OR THE STORY TO TELL THOSE FOLKS ABOUT HOW THEY WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS VAST INVESTMENT IN A SMALL SECTION OF OUR CITY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE DAILY INTERACTION THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU SO AGAIN WITH THAT ARE THERE HOW DO YOU ADD ONE MORE TO THIS IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW OUR MAY 11TH STUDY SESSION IS A WALKING TOUR IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW COLLABORATION AMONG THE THREE ENTITIES AND KIND OF THE SUCCESS STORIES OUT OF IT SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLIGHTED WE'RE WORKING ON THE ROUTE RIGHT NOW AND THE VARIOUS SPEAKERS BUT AS YOU KNOW IT'LL BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF PARKING TO BREATHE AND MAY 11TH STUDY SESSION BUT BEFORE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A STUDY SESSION WHERE WE ARE PREPARING TO PRESENT WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT WITH OUR CTC AND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS

WE'RE EXCITED TO PARTNERSHIP A COMPREHENSIVE SURFACE WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN TO BE SENIOR AND OTHER AARON AGAIN ON AIR STATE AND THEN IN ADVANCE OF THAT ME AS WELL AS WALKING TOURS AND UPDATES ON THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA ROCHESTER CAMPUS EXPANSION VISION AND PLAN AND SOME THINGS THAT THEY WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH SO TO OUR HIGHER EDUCATION AND STORMWATER AND THEN JUST VERY QUICKLY I DID JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ON YOUR APRIL 29TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS PRIMARILY TO APPOINT ETHICS BOARDS AND AN ETHICS BOARD MEMBERS AND A COUPLE OF TEXT AMENDMENTS ONE RELATED TO THE FLOOD FLOOD MAPS AND ONE RELATED THE HOUSING CODE WHICH WE HAVE SPOKE WITH YOU AT A PRIOR STUDY SESSION REGARDING THAT AND THEN ON APRIL 15TH THE CITY AND LIBRARY WEBSITES WILL BE TRANSITIONING TO THE NEW WEBSITE AND ON THE 20TH WE WE'LL PLAN TO HAVE A REPORT FOR YOU TO KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT'S BEEN CHANGING WITH THAT WHERE WE ARE A DIGITAL ACCESSIBLE CITY AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO SHOW UP BOTH IN YOUR POCKETS BUT ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE WHICH YOU'LL SEE LIVE ON THE 15TH OF APRIL AND IT IS GREAT THANK YOU WE ARE ADJOURNED AND