Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Being 528 January 22nd 2026, I'd like to call the planning commission meeting to order. Please stand for the pledge. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Roll call been taken. Yes. Looking for a motion to drop adopt the agenda. I'll make that motion. I'll second. Motion's been made by Susie, seconded by Donna. Um, is there any additions or corrections to it?

Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Okay. Review for approval of the December 18th, 2025 planning planning commission minutes as read in your packet. Looking for a motion. I'll make that motion. I'll second.

Motion's been made by Susie, seconded by Donna. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion's carried. public comment. I guess I see none. Okay. Okay. Next item is a public hearing on a proposal to change the classification of parcel 33-01-73- 12 and parcel number 33-01-73-13 and parcel number 33-01-73-14 located northeast of the intersection of Northridge Drive and Hunsky Drive in Waka County for commer from commercial to creating high density residential on the city's comprehensive plan future land use map. Chad,

um, basically what this entails is that we have a developer that's interested in uh, putting some multif family apartments on the north side of town. This would be um on the area east of uh, where Aldi's is currently located. Um, it is is zoned um, with our new zoning um, updates. it will be zoned properly but it has to the link can be properly classified on our future land use map as well. So we need to have a public hearing right now um to go ahead with that uh resolution. So you want to open up the public hearing and go from there. Okay. Open up public I'm opening up the floor for public comment. This is for any comments. The next one Bernie the second one down there.

Oh the second one. Yeah. I'm opening up a public hearing on proposed proposal to change the classification of the parcel 33-01-73-12 33-01-73-13 and 33-01-73-14 located northeast of the intersection of North Ridge Drive in Hansky Drive in Waka County from commercial to medium high density residential on the city's comprehensive plan future future land use map.

So at this time basically you're just saying that we have to change it in the um comprehensive plan. That's what this is for. Correct. Correct. So in our future in our comprehensive plan we have a future land use map and this is the future direction of the city. Yep.

So you can see in the map right here, these three parcels that are located just to the east of all these, we have a request of a developer who wants to put some multif family housing in that area. Again, our zoning map is correct once we update it because we've planned correctly for that, but our future land use map has to also um marry and mimic what our zoning is. So currently the future land use map is saying that it's commercial But since this individual, this developer wants to put multif family, this proposal is to change those three parcels that you see on the the map to uh medium high density residential, if that makes sense.

So where is Aldi's on that map? Aldi's is kind of where the hand is right there. Okay. Okay. So it's north north of Aldi's. It is actually more west. It would be east of all these. East of all these right to the north of Crystal Falls. Okay. All these is this parcel right here. Okay. And these three parcels. Okay. Is what they are requesting the change to be. Got it.

Yeah. I don't see how that would hurt anything. So again, we're asking for public comment. We have a public hearing right now. So Bernie, if you want to ask the public if there's any uh public comment on this proposal. Anybody in the ordinance from the public like comment on this? Seeing none is um any more comments from board. So you want to close the public hearing? Okay. If not, I will close the public hearing. Okay, I'm looking for a motion. We got to have a motion on that, right?

Uh the next item. Yes. Number six. Okay. Consider approval of the resolution adopting amended amendment 2026-1 of the city's comprehensive plan to change the classification of parcel 33-01-73-12 33-01-73-13 and 33-01-73-14 of from commercial to medium high density residential I would make that motion and I'll second it.

Okay, Donna made the motion and to second it. Any more discussion? All in favor signify by saying I.

I motion's carried. Okay. Next item on the agenda is a conversation about the proposed mobile asphalt plant operation in the quarry south of Beckett Road. Note this quarry is in the township of Makwa and is regulated by county zoning zoning ordinances not by the city of New London. The proposal is or of this topic is to have dialogue in county officials that provide feedback on proposed as well plan. All right, let's kick off the conversation. Again, like uh chairman Bernie Richie said, there is a proposal to put a asphalt plant outside the city limits um uh south of Beckard Road in the current quarry that's south of there. Um, again, this is the town of Muckla regulatory situation with their plan commission, but they also follow the county zoning. We've had some conversations internally. There's some concerns um about uh the change of or the the conditional grant permit to put a mobile asphalt plant there. So, I thought it was just a great idea to to bring in the players. Um, we have some county representatives here. We have Ryan and Jason from Waka County Planning and Zoning. And then we have Mike who is a plant manager. Is that your title?

I'm the owner. Owner. Uh that uh will be working on the project the basketball plant. So I thought it'd be a great opportunity just have some dialogue discussion you know make sure that everybody knows of the concerns. Um we have some people actually in the room that live uh near that area but uh opportunity to ask questions, get input, get information and uh just create a relationship to make sure that we're all on the same page. So, um I don't know if you guys want to start Ryan and Jason about the next steps with the planning uh the planning committee. Sure. Sure. Process.

Well, and and first and foremost, thanks for having us here tonight. We appreciate the opportunity to have this conversation. So, thank you for that. Um what's happened so far um you know, the application was applied for and we took it in front of the town plan commission for two different meetings and then to the town board for their their final recommendation for. So from here it goes to a public hearing in front of the planning and zoning committee at the county for it. Which place they'll have a public hearing similar to what you guys just had for the comprehensive plan amendment. We open it up. We take public or testimony and uh recommendations in terms of what conditions can be applied to it for the planning and zoning committee and those committee members will make a decision based on the testimony uh the town's recommendation and any other factors that might go into it for it. And that that's the end of the road in terms of the approval process for that. Um conditional use permits, you know, they're allowed to apply conditions to them as long as they're related to what the uses and roughly proportional to what the expected uh effects of the use might be for that. Um am I missing anything? Uh so the the comments received tonight or the feedback received tonight would be conveyed to the planning and zoning committee as testimony essentially because the jurisdiction for this is between the town and the county. And so that's where the so the in terms of the whatever might be heard today in terms of the concerns that those concerns are going to be dealt with by the planning and zoning committee as as testimony received. The official recommendation for the conditional use permit is being received by the town just in terms of the the jurisdictional boundaries

and in terms of being members of the public. I mean you can absolutely positively attend that public hearing and provide additional testimony in addition to what you if we have a conversation today and you have some ideas for it and you think of more ideas before the next meeting uh feel free to come to the public hearing supply more testimony. Um, one thing we can tell you is that the town of Mucka in terms of what conditions they were looking at applying to it, um, they were looking at the hours of operation being 6:00 a.m. to 6 pm Monday through Friday and 6:00 a.m. to noon on Saturdays, which was the same as what the original approval was for the the non metallic mine on the property already for it. Um, there was going to be an annual review of the conditional use permit and also there asurances that there was going to be road maintenance in terms of keeping the road clean. So anything tracked onto the road was going to be taken care of in a timely manner for for that.

Which road would that be? So Beckard, I believe, is the road that runs through there. So you're just saying as far as coming out of the pit then is what the area you're not going to be maintaining the whole vector road in terms of what impacts there would be from the individual as I mean I think most tracking situations happen in close proximity to the actual mine itself um I maybe you can provide I mean we're talking about the the any yeah like if there were dust or dirt that would track out with the trucks. Yeah, correct. Gets caught on wheel, right? And it tumbles off, right?

Well, I'm going to start it because um not only am I on this committee, but I live on Beckard Road and um and I can tell you that the traffic is bad. It has gotten increasingly bad. Um, we had I guess I thought, oh, it's Highway 15 expansion. I'm going to have some of that traffic issues there. And it has never stopped. Um, the road, Beckard Road, the way that it is constructed is on um hills on both sides and my house happens to be right on the bottom of the hill and it is crazy the speed of the trucks that are going through there. I know the trucks are heavy and they're not going to break, you know, to stay within that speed limit. They are flying. And at the time that pit was built, and I've heard that from a lot of people, I remember driving down in that pit because my dad worked for Murphy's Construction and we drove down into that pit 60some years ago because that's how old I am. But anyway, um we didn't have a high school out there at the end. um we didn't have buses that were going on that road and right in front of my house is a is a major bus stop and kids are getting out and those trucks are coming and they're flying and I it's it would be hard for them to stop. I know it would. Um we have apartment buildings up there. We have people that are walking to work from the apartment buildings. Um they're walking on my lawn, you know, which is not not a problem, but they're walking and uh and I have fear for them. Um because the traffic is is going fast. Um we have houses. And now let's get to the asphalt pit itself. The the smell from it. Um, sure it's going to be deep into that pit, but the fumes are going to come up right to ground level and they're going

to come to the right into the city of New London. South and west winds are coming all summer long. And what and what's going to be affected is the city, not the town of Makwa, but the city. And um my concern is the conditional permit. You know, what is the complaint uh procedure for that? because I'll be calling. I can tell I'll be calling and my neighbors will be calling because they're all very concerned about it. Um, as far as the as as far as the traffic and the maintenance of that road. I saw the city of New London out there this week and they were patching the holes of of that road. I mean, and I know the road is built for heavy trucks, but it's not holding up at all. Um, so there's a lot of issues. I mean, those are just a few that I' that I've had. And I mean, those of us that were at the meeting in in Bean City, I don't know if I forgot anything, but um you know, it was all brought up. Those ma uh that manager from the apartment building said his lawn and the buildings are filthy from the the dirt that is coming out of that pit. Um and he said he's cleaning it constantly. Um you know, Randy Rudolf has a beautiful apartment buildings there. Um, a church is there. Um, and then the residential homes. I mean, so, um, there's a lot of concerns there. Um, and I don't know. So, help me out with anything else that

I guess I'd like to respond to some of this. Okay. Okay. So, um, first things first, I think the big thing to clarify here is that we're going to be selling aggregate. I do not intend to use this as a fill site. And that is mainly where your dirt is coming from, okay? out of the the surrounding pits. Okay. And I don't know any of that. So, thank you for clarifying. Yeah. You know, because a lot of your dirt that gets tracked out

is because of the fill side of things. You know, when you're when you're operating on aggregate, you know, when you have a a gravel pad, there's very minimal. But, you know, like I said, in our agreement with what the town's proposing, if we have to put a broom out there to clean up after it, it's not a problem. It's pretty standard our operation. Um, I think that, you know, to say that the whole town is going to be affected by, you know, a smell issue, um, is a little extreme.

Well, I don't I didn't say the whole town. I just know that in that area that I'm living in that I know I mean, for at least four or five blocks into the city, I would say the the fumes and the the exhaust is going to go.

I I don't think so. Um, and I guess just just look if you look at like just the closest instance of something like this would be in the city of Appleton um like by BB um u you know northeast has a plant there and it is similarly distanced from houses but um you know and that's right in the city so it can be done and it can co coexist. Um, we're going to be about a quarter mile off the road here. Um, and you know, there's what was it? 75 or 80 feet. Someone had the elevational I don't remember exactly.

Um, you know, where we're operating on level ground and our plant is

probably three or 300 feet off. Um, Lee and some people came out to observe it. Um, yeah, if the wind is exactly right, uh, when they're loading trucks, you you can get, you know, a brief smell when they're loading, but it's not a constant smell, and that is within 300 ft. Um, and that is on the level ground with the wind going exactly 100% atom. So, I think it's very extreme uh to say that it's going to be that way. You know, I'm a reasonable person here and I've built my business off of, you know, I work in a lot of different communities. Um, you know, and I understand your concern that this is probably not the ideal spot. It's not the ideal spot for us, but you know, every pit or Corey that we acquire or we lease, we always permit it. Um, now to say that we're going to be here every year, it might not be. It all depends how the bids go. There's a lot of competition in this market and we're looking to compete in it, um, as we do in our other areas. So, um, you know, and then also like when it comes to truck traffic, if if there is a speeding issue, if there's a speeding issue right now, I mean, I would encourage the the police to patrol it. Um, if there's, you know, it's no different than like you hear a lot about the data centers right now with, you know, trucks going to Port Washington, you know, they're always complaining about. So, you know, when there's a haul going on, have the police police it and write them tickets. You know, that's the best way to get truck drivers in compliance. Um, and Furthermore, I mean, we haven't even had the opportunity to operate here yet ourselves. So, you know, I am not saying that everyone operates the same. I'm just saying, you know, it's a case by case and sometimes there are habitual offenders for driving habits. Um, you see that in trucks, everything. So, I have, you know, I would encourage that, you know, but I don't think, you know, dump truck drivers, you know, especially, you know, when we're trying

to work in the community that we're out to turn it into a speeding race. Um, so I mean, there there's ways we can work together and quite honestly, um, in other locations that we work in, if there's a complaint, you know, to the township, you know, the township chair will call and like, we can get it corrected. Um, so who do the complaints go to to the city? The planning and zoning comm.

Yep. It comes to us. Uh, so the the conditional use permits are the under the stewardship of the planning and zoning committee and they have the delegated the enforcement back to the planning and zoning office. And so any complaints related to the conditionally used permit and I would also caution to say that again just like Mike was saying when it comes to the truck traffic that's a sheriff situation. It's not us. I understand that. I'm just saying it's a concern though. It's a concern for the placement of the plant in so close to the residential. So it is a concern.

Sure. And any issues related to that would then come to us and then so the the the way it would work then is then we then contact we'll we'll be in contact with Mike. That's the first thing our our first course of action is we call them and we say hey this is what we're hearing and then we figure out okay how do we fix this? And so in the way it work so we we work together on coming up with an agreement on how we're going to move forward to take care of this issue. If if it's a habitual thing and if it's something that we can't remedy that way then it'll come back to the planning and zoning committee. So I think we have a one-year review that's already set in place on this which is fairly standard for situations like this. That doesn't mean that we can't take back to the committee in the meantime or in in the middle of that one year. And when that happens, then this town the town gets notified. Notification also gets sent to the city as well. And so that way the town city would then be able to weigh in on that review process. And so the planning and zoning committee as the stewards of this conditional use permit has the ability to make modifications of those com of those conditions. And so what I can tell you though too is that it has very very rarely happened because the vast majority of the time if we if we have an issue like that, we just bring it to the owner's attention or the agent or whomever it is that's in charge of that of the operation and we take care of it straight away because a just like Mike is saying, they have a reputation that they want to keep as well. And so they want to make sure they keep people happy as much as anything else. And so that's how that's how it works with with these types of situations.

And our past our past experience with this is that the operators don't want to spend their time dealing with with phone calls from planning and zoning. They want they have every incentive in the world to be following the rules that are in place too. You know, if they don't want to spin their wheels on issues that don't really have anything to do with them running their operation. How many more trucks are going to be running up and down back road per day once you're in capacity? I mean, what do you guys what are you thinking?

I mean, you it it all depends on what jobs are going on, but um you know, you can you could haul out 400 t tons in an hour, you know. Um you could haul out 50 tons in an hour, you know. Um so, you know, like how many tons out a truck? 22. So it could be two trucks an hour, you know, it could be 20 that road is going to withstand that. That road is already rough.

Becca road um we do need to you know get that on the schedule sooner than later. It's it's not on um fiveyear by any means. Um, like they said, it is considered a heavy truck road right now. So, there's nothing illegal about heavy trucks driving on that road. Number one. But number two, to your point, yes, it's going to get deteriorated a little bit quicker. Um, Susie, regarding the speed, I'm not going to talk on behalf of the police department. What I can do is, you know, they've got that mobile um speed sensor that they can place out around town. That might be an option just to kind of remind everybody that, you know, put at the bottom of the hill that, you know, as they're coming down the hill, the speed sensor is indicating what speeds are. a gentle reminder that make sure they're keeping track of what how fast they're going.

So my sorry

my um touching back to um complaints my concern um in this is that um do I believe that you will field the calls and um and and forward the complaints? Yes, I do. Um, I have a couple concerns. One, I expect these cons these complaints are going to be coming from New London residents, from city residents, which the city has no say in this process. Therefore, how much weight do those complaints carry when it comes to this situation? Um, and if it carries any weight, are the people who have complained, if there is there does end up having to be another um, review, a meeting, a public hearing on this, are the people who called and complained, is that logged? Are they notified personally that the complaint that they called in on is going to be brought up in the in the public hearing?

Great question. So, I mean, every citizen is a citizen. I don't care if they're from the city of New London or Australia. Well, that's a Waka County issue versus a town of Makqua issue. Yes. But we would take seriously any complaints at um what was the second part of the question? Sorry. The people who called and complained and have complaints if they're part of the a group of complaints that needs to now be addressed public hearing wise. Are those people are those people contacted because they were part of that group? Is that information collected, stored, and utilized?

Good question. So, it depends on what their wishes are for that. Um, and it depends on what stage in the matter we are. If it's a complaint and we're able to contact the operator and address it, we're not going to take it to a public hearing if it's been addressed. I understand that. But if it is and they want to be notified, we can absolutely add them to the notification list. Sometimes people don't want to be identified as a complainant and do it anonymously and we respect that when they call in because sometimes people feel as though they may get targeted for that. But if they make the request to be put on the notification list, we will absolutely notify them. Our policy in our office is to over notify. We want to make sure that that we're including everybody that should be part of the discussion. Okay.

Any way we can dictate what ways they leave the city. So truck routes are things that can be talked about uh for it. I mean if and again you know in terms of this word dictate I mean not I I guess we're still talking about it. I mean but in general we don't want them drive downtown. I don't think they really have incentive to go to downtown New London. Um I and I don't want to speak for the Cedar if they're working on X stuff like that. I mean is there and I don't know this is there registered like truck routes through town that they have to stay on.

Yes. So in our municipal code we have designated what the heavy truck traffic routes are. Okay. So, you know, whether it's semis, dump trucks, anything heavy truck traffic, there are certain roads that are designated most, you know, most I think all the county highways, you know, B and M and all they are. Um, Beckard is more of a local road, but that one is designated as a heavy truck traffic route. Um, like Wolf River Avenue, Wyman Street, you know, designated as that is Wyman. Wyman Street coming in off of W down Persian to Wyman. Yeah, because that's W. That's a county highway. Y and Division Street coming in.

Division Street Highway D. Yep. That's heavy truck traffic, but all those are designated in our municipal code. So like Cedarhurst, that is not a heavy truck traffic road. Oshkosh is not considered a heavy truck traffic road. I know Robert has intentions of putting more signage. you know, you ever see those sign shows a truck in the cross, you know, hash to it. Um, he has intentions of putting more of those up just to kind of be, you know, more communicative of that. But yes, there are certain roads that are designated with that. So, you know, we can't say that they have to go one way or the other way on that. And I was more question whether we had designated roads. Yeah,

I'm just afraid that it's not. Now, however, if there's a construction project going in on like Ashkosh, obviously the trucks were going on local roads that get to Oshkosh Street. That's a little bit different. Going on wheelbarrow. Yeah, exactly. A lot of wheels. So, I have a few concerns. I mean, I voiced some some to you at Bean City about So, I'll start with saying I know we have no jurisdiction over town of Maka or or the Opac County, but we can we can voice our concerns about the effects of what's going to happen from that pit. Absolutely. Yep.

And now, let's go back to your comment here a little bit ago when you said the Cold Spring uh northeast Corey over off of Cold Spring off Prospect. That's the That's the pit you That's the That's the asphalt plant you talked about. Northeast Asphalt over off of Cold Spring Road. I don't I don't know the road. Just brought it up a little bit ago. Yeah. And you said that that uh there's residential around that and it and there's not many complaints there. I I don't know the complaints. All I know is it coexists. It it coexists. You know, you stated that there was no complaints.

I I didn't No, no. I said it coexists. Like obviously there's a way to co coexist. And I would say the only difference there was that was probably already an asphalt plant when them houses went up. This is not an asphalt plant now and there's houses there and an asphalt plant's moving in. The second phase of that is what winds do we primarily get in the summertime? South wind. That's where all the housing is south of that pit. That cold spring pit all the housing is west and south of that pit. So that any that smell would kind of essence run into like an industrial park area there. My next thought is so quote me if I'm wrong with Paka County, but don't you guys have something in your laws like if a pit starts to deteriorate a road that they're responsible to fix that?

So we road use agreements is that I think that's what you're what you're referring to and largely no. Um and so early on is our non metallic mining ordinance when we were going through u permitting some new nonmetallic mines. That was one of the boilerplate conditions that we had was road maintenance, road use agreements. Uh and they they fell apart. They don't work largely because it's really hard to determine that actual damage created by that road was made by that pit. And so roads are built for commerce and and so a lot of people use those roads. There's egg implements that use those same roads and they also do damage and so from a legal standpoint it it just it falls apart. Yeah, I know. I know because there's some pits around the area that you have had some trouble with that you try to make them fix deal with some stuff like I mean look out by that by the manual recycling site. You make that traffic leave that recycling site and always go towards out towards B. They not supposed to come back on Swan Road.

Yep. They have a route that they're supposed to Yeah. There's a specific route because they don't want the trash. Yep. Yeah. That that's what that is. Yep. So, I mean there is there's ways to stipulate which way they can come out of that to ease the traffic end of it. Yeah. For truck routes. Yep. Okay. Absolutely. You know, and and like we were hearing, I mean, that that's a a truck route that they're on there. I assume W is through past the high school there, too. I know. I I lived down next to the high school there. In fact, they tore my tore the house down that I lived in so I wouldn't come back. But there were a lot of truck traffic then even through there. I know we have no jurisdiction over that but it's our duty to to state our concerns. Yeah. And that's why we're here because we want to hear for it and and please by all means come to the public hearing there too so that the planning and zoning committee can hear them as well.

You also said though what we are discussing here tonight you will also be presenting that. Right. So at the testimony. Yeah the testimony. So, I mean, if you guys have recommendations that you'd like to see, I mean, I don't want to be I don't want to get on a place where I'm verbatim trying to re reiterate what what you guys are saying for it. Make we can say that these are the concerns that we heard. I think that yeah, the concerns as well,

but I I also think it's important that maybe if you guys could write them down what your concerns are for it. I don't want to get in a spot where if I forget something that I'm I I want to make sure you guys are properly represented for that. You'd be far more effective if you had a spokesman come to represent the town of city of New London. You know, that would be far more effective because again like because we don't want to be held liable if we're paraphrasing or for saying what you're saying and we miss something that's not that wouldn't be our role, you know, and so if the city of New London wants to be represented at that committee meeting, I would that would be the recommendation. either bring a a sheet with all the bullet points of of concerns that you have or have a spokesperson show up. And I can tell you that in when I in terms of when I was talking about the jurisdictional boundaries, the the town has the official recommendation, but that's not to diminish the the role of the public. You know, when people show up to the hearings, it matters. It still matters, you know, and so it's good to have the committee hear this. But I also want to caution to say that again the recommendation from the town is because that that's the that's the set process for the conditional use process,

right? The planning and zoning committee and us we we serve the townships to make sure that what they're saying is is brought forward for the committee to hear at that time. But certainly show up, tell them what you have to say and make sure that we don't leave anything unturned. Um, you know, sometimes I mean we're all just people, right? So even the township, you know, we go through this process for it and there may be things that we we don't think of throughout the process for it. So there's other things that we haven't thought of. It's good to have more people involved with it. And I know it's a high use road. It's classified as that. But when you're adding another entity to it by putting an asphalt plant there and and I get it, you're not going to be putting out 400 ton every day, but it could be you could get a big job around here and they you could be running for two months. And you know, the other thing to take into consideration too though is that it's a it's a legal pit right now. Yep. And that if they get jobs that were even existing with the existing owner, if they have jobs that necessitate more truck traffic, I mean, it it's going to happen and has to happen legally.

They could do it right now. It and we don't ever want to kind of hedge things like that, but it's important to remember that they have the right to do it right now. they get a growth is good for them and that's not we're just what's what's effective our roadway you know that's absolutely that's kind of what we're just looking I think these are great question I'm looking at Yep I appreciate that

and that's my biggest concern with this too is we have accountability for that road um and no authority over what is happening in the town of Makqua who is act who is the business has access to that road that is the road to youth. We get that, but it is now our accountability. And I guess I feel a little um I have heart that's where my the majority of my heartburn is coming from. Sure.

Is that we have no say, but it is going to be our taxpayers who are going to be repairing that road much sooner than we expected it to happen. So, one one comment to this is that, you know, we're not the only pit that uses this road. You know, there are two other pits. We understand that. Um, you know, and we do pay taxes for this land as well. Um, not to us. Well, but that's the what it is, you know. I'm just, you know, and and much to what they town of Maka does not repair that road. Yep. Right.

That's that I'm just expressing the heartburn.

Yeah. I understand that. And and I guess um in in in some ways um much to what they were alluding and and this is not like a you know when you phrase it kind of to what you're alluding is that you know if we were to put this plant say in a different spot like when you own the sand you're going to pull sand out of it. It's going to be the same amount of trucks leaving whether the plant sits there or not. Um, and that's not a I don't mean that, you know, in in a slang way or anything, but you know, there's an aggregate source that is permitted, um, it's going to get used when the right circumstances come around.

Um, much to your point of, you know, when you repair roads, if you have a close source, um, you'd be surprised at how the pricing changes. um if if there was an operating plant there and that road were getting fixed, it could save the the city a substantial amount of money versus hauling it from, you know, it could be 20 minutes away. Um so there there's a flip side to every coin. Um, you know, I just want to reiterate that we're reasonable people too here and, you know, this is not the the first time we've had close neighbors and, you know, this does happen. It does coingle. Um, you know, so I mean, your comment about there's other pits in the area. I don't think the driving of that truck going straight down that road is the issue. More so, the issue is going to be wherever you have your entrance on that road. When that truck comes out with his quad axles down, that's where the road's going to get ripped up. Not by the track, not by Murphy driving a load of dump truck over someplace.

Well, they they have to turn in to where they're dumping as well. I mean, it happens. And again, the existing pit could do the exact same right now without anybody say well aware of that, right? So, it's it's kind of the same. I mean, they have an ext Murphy actually has a outside turn lane that's not on the highway that when they come out of that when they come out loaded, they have an they have like a if you want to call it a ramp up lane for them to get onto the bypass. So, I mean, what what are how are they entering Murphy's Pit right there right now? I mean, they don't have anything extra right next to the cemetery. There ain't no turn lane or nothing. It's just off the black,

right? or like on the or the east east end of it. There's a there's one that goes down that goes down to the back. Yeah, that's that's our driver, right? Yeah. But I'm saying Burfy has a a C or a pit around the block there, too. That belongs to Casey and Dorsner and that's off from Bean City Road.

Okay. So, that's a town road there. So, this would be the eastern, I believe, um entrance right here and then closer to Floral Hill right there. That's that one there is the one that they utilize right now to reclaim the pit. And that would be this entrance right here. That tower just went off.

Yeah. So what I can do um number one is that you talked about you know official documentation. I go back to these meeting minutes, the video and I can document all the concerns, you know, so all these concerns are listed and I can give at minimum give that to you guys so you guys can present that documentation of that testimony from um kind of from the city. Um I don't know what I got for meetings that day so I got to kind of look but a minimum at least go back to this video and just document all these concerns and so these were the concerns that were discussed for the meeting. Perfect.

Sounds awesome. Yep. You can relay that to all the committee members. Yeah, we'll do just that. My only concern is the road as far as the smell goes. Um, Hillshshire's better how long I can smell down in my house and I live down here. The people up there I feel for the residents for the smell, but I live across the river. Donna does too. And we get worse smell than that. And are we going to move the proposal plant out of town so we don't smell it? I don't think that I mean that is

that's exactly what you're saying. I am I am saying that but I also just think that there's there's before when that that pit was there it wasn't built up around and and now it's uh things are happening to it that that asphalt thing is going into it and it's it's other things that are around there um that weren't there before. I mean, I know I mean I I I know the smells. I know the smells and stuff, but I think if we can prevent it, I think we should. I don't know. The problem is we can't. I know. I know. I know.

We can express our concerns and I think and I hope they're validated. That's the only thing. I don't want it to be that it's minimized or anything. I mean, because I'm one person that lives in that area. Do you know how many other people live there? I mean, there are a lot of them. I mentioned it to some of my, "Oh, well, let us know when things are going on with it." They didn't know anything about this. And that's why it kind of went through pretty fast, you know. So, I do feel as if we need to have some representation when it goes to the Walpacker County because I don't I don't know. I just um there's a lot of people in that area. I mean it's not just a few houses and

are the people at least the prop I would say the property owners in New London getting a notice of this public hearing. What's required from our you know all these tenants and yeah well I don't know that the individual tenants would that would be up to the owner. What our what our ordinance requires is we buffer the property out 325 ft. Anybody that lives within 325 ft will get a notice of it. We also we do include any adjacent parcels that are in the same ownership. So it does uh attach to that parcel that goes all the way up to Beckard. So at least some people across the road should be receiving a notification that's 325t from the

from the property bound for the outer outer boundary. Yep. And if it's close, we add more because the idea is we we try at any circumstance to over Yeah. because that's back quite a ways off the road. Yeah, it's over a quarter mile off the Yeah. Yeah. And Donna, the the notice I just gave you is the notice we're talking about. So, um that piece of paper I just pres presented before

and we made sure that we we notified the city here too because we knew that you guys were interested concerned about it. So to Dave's point, I mean, like you said, this body doesn't have any jurisdiction, but I think it was good to just have a conversation, get some dialogue, at least let everybody kind of, you know, hear. Obviously, we have representatives from the um from council and things like that that are concerned that they're going to, you know, get the get comments and, you know, where where do the comments go? You know, what's the game plan? So, I think this was just more so anything. Just kind of get the dialogue going, get some information, ask some questions, and then like I said, I will go back in the meeting minutes. I'll kind of itemize all the concerns that were and the comments that were given and just present that as kind of the city's testimony of concerns that we want to make sure that are considered

moving forward. I also have Have you got the date for the public? I believe it's February 5th. It should be on that. Yeah, February 5th, 9 a.m. We have a lot of public hearings on for that day. Dr. Yeah, it's going to be a long one as far as the price of black. I'm serious. It will be cheaper than all. We sure appreciate the invitation to be here today and participate in this. So, thank you guys.

And if anything were to come up that after this meeting, let us know or let let you know. Yeah, absolutely. you know and there's there's always opportunity for us to even if there you know the day before the meeting if you can't make the meeting submit something you know we can read it into the record I would just be very cautious though if you say if you send us a letter make sure you sign it our cherry can be you know we want to make sure that it's not an unsigned that's one thing that so any written comment we you know if you think of something the day before if you can't make the meeting let us know

and I I think that that that extends on to when they start operating too. We're We're there 8 to 4 Monday through Friday. Give us a ring. We can We can always talk about things and try to figure out solutions and stuff. We're happy to do that. That's our job. Well, I thank you guys for showing up, especially on short notice. Yeah. Really appreciate it. Yeah. And almost for not. Yeah. Nice. Yes, it was close one. Plus, we didn't have the forum. So, it worked. I like it. Thank you. Thank you. Did the mayor hang on in Florida?

You're still with us? Yep.

Okay. Next item on the agenda is CS M for lot line changes at 700 Street and 75 North Water Street. Right. So, in your packet is a uh certified survey map that um this is actually initiated by the city. Um so, the purpose of this one is we've negotiated to purchase um 600 and some feet from a property owner just south of the police department. Um, and that is to help give us a little bit of opportunity to extend um, give us a little bit more of a buffer because we've got a retaining wall on the south side of the police department there and it's really tight when they out of the garages um, in that little driveway section. So, the we've had some negotiations and some conversations with the owner of the parcel to the south police department and he is willing to sell that. um that negotiation and everything has gone through city council already and approved to city council to purchase that narrow strip of property. So the next step was to create a survey survey map to indicate the new boundary lines for that. So um if you want to zoom look in here really quick, this dotted line that you can kind of see where I got my cursor on, that's the old boundary and then just the new boundary squares that off straight um between this point and we bring this down seven feet. It just gives us a little bit more area that we can move that retaining wall down. Um, and someday, you know, redo the driveway out of here. So, when they pull out of the squad cars, they got a little bit more room. So, um, internally, the survey certified survey map was reviewed by staff. Everything looks good. So, we're asking for approval from the commission to move forward with that survey map.

I would so move. I'll second it. This review was approved and seconded. Anybody else have any more questions? All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Opposed. Motion's carried. Few upcoming agenda items. Dave's not here. So we'll move on to review next meeting date. Tenatively February 26th. Yep. That would be our normal meeting date for Thursday of the month.

Okay. Now I'm looking for a motion to adjourn the meeting. I'll make that motion. I'll second. Motion's been made by Mark, second by Donna. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. Motion medium.