County Council - Regular Meeting

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Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Monday, January 12th, 2026 County Council meeting for St. Charles. our first meeting of the new year. So, welcome everybody. We will start with our invocation from Barry Bales, who is the public information officer for St. Charles County Police Department. Pledge of Allegiance led by Councilman Joe Brazzle. Would you please stand? Let's pray. God, we thank you for the opportunity to gather together, God, in a nation, God, where there is order, there is peace, uh, and there's the freedom, God, to assemble. We ask you Lord that you would just give wisdom God to those God who would be making decisions uh not just this evening but throughout this year uh let there be a sense of peace God of understanding God throughout our county God throughout our community in this time Lord in Jesus name we pray. Amen.

Amen. I alian to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You may be seated. Please call the role. Councilman Swanson here, ma'am. Councilman Brazzle here. Councilman Hammond here. Councilman Elim here. Councilman Hollander here. Councilman York here. Councilman Baker here.

Our first item at the new year is always the election of the council chair. So with that, I would open for uh nominations. Mr. Baker is first in my brand new queue that the IT department put together for us. I'll uh nominate Joe Brazzle to be council council chair. Mr. Baker has nominated Mr. Brazzle. Is there a second? Second, I guess. Mr. Brazzle is the second. Any other nominations? Mr. Hollander, you are next. Yes. I'd like to nominate Mike Elum for council chair. Is there a second? Second.

Uh any other nominations? My speaker's queue is blank, so I'm guessing that means no one else is looking to speak. With that, uh, we will do roll call vote on each candidate. Mr. Brazzle was nominated first, so we will start with him. For Joe Brazzle for chair, Councilman Swanson, no. Councilman Brazzle, yes. Councilman Hammond, no. Councilman Elim, no. Councilman Hollander, no. Councilman York, no. Councilman Baker, yes. And for Mike Elim for council chair, Councilman Swanson, yes. Councilman Brazzle, no. Councilman Hammond, yes.

Councilman Elim, yes. Councilman Hollander, yes. Councilman York, yes. Councilman Baker, no. So with five to two, um, I will retain as council chair for 2026. With that, that moves us to election of council vice chair. Do I have a nomination there, Mr. Hammond? Yes. Uh, I'd like to nominate Matt for vice chair. I'll I'll second that. Councilman Swanson nominated. Mr. Hollander seconds. Is there another nomination for vice chair? Seeing none, all those in favor for Mr. Swanson being vice chair, say I. I. I.

Any opposed? Congratulations, Mr. Swanson. You are staying there. So, we'll keep our same seats as we move into the new year. That brings us to a conditional use permit, bill number 5455. Bill number 5455 requested by Michael Hurlbert, sponsored by Dave Hammond. an or an ordinance granting conditional use permit CUP25-12 for a manufactured home utilized as a dwelling to Sunburst Properties LLC property owner. Robert, I would welcome you. We haven't seen you for a while. Yeah. Do you solemnly swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, help you God.

I do.

Hi, my name is Robert Meyers. I'm the planning zoning division director for St. Charles County and this is a conditional use permit request uh for a dwelling to be used as a manufacturing home at 18 Northwood Drive and that's located adjacent to city of Wolf Fallon. It's uh west of Highway K just north of Fisy Road. Northwood is the entrance to Fairview Manor Mobile Home Park. Fever Manor mobile home park was plattered in 1966 and this parcel is immediately adjacent to the mobile home park. In fact, uh for many years this parcel had a uh manufactured home or a mobile home on it, but it was removed um in 2016 and it's been vacant since that time. So there's still a mobile home pad site there in the condition in the C2 general business district dwellings including manufactured homes uh requires a conditional use permit. So what they're proposing is 2280 square ft. If I understand it correctly, it's about 30 ft wide and there's conditions that are um in the the bill that's before you that reflect all the standard conditions for um manufactured homes. these days. Just real quickly, we're not talking about a mobile home, which was pre-1976. After 1976, there's a national manufactured home standard under which this would be uh constructed and placed on the property. The planning zoning commission held a public hearing in December 17th. Uh they received one speaker in support, none opposed. We have no letters of opposition or support. The planning and zoning commission recommended seven in favor to none against uh for approval with the conditions that are before you in the in the bill. The planning and

zoning commission likewise, I'm sorry, the planning zoning division of St. Charles County likewise recommends approval um as of complying with the CUP criteria of section 40510B of the county code. And if you would like to look at those criteria specifically, they're part of your packet and there's analysis provided for this case. Does anybody have any questions for Robert? Seeing none, would you like to introduce the applicant? Yes. Tonight with Sunburst Properties, we have uh Chris Cleine. Is that right? Great. Thank you. Chris is the applicant and also representative the property owner as well. Right.

She'll swear you in. Chris, do you solemnly swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth will help you out? I do. You want to introduce yourself? Tell us a little bit about the property.

Uh my name is Chris Cleawwine. Uh I own Sunburst Properties. Um I'll keep it short. Um Fairview Manor has close to 300 mobile home lots. This one is right on the edge. Uh as a matter of fact, most people when you look at it, it looks like it's part of the mobile home park. There's been a one there. That's the only thing this lot has ever been used for before is a mobile home. This everything is still there. And um I want to say this is the first time I've been through this process with Mr. Myers and their department have been absolutely phenomenal to work with. They recommend it and so do I. So that's all I got to say. Anyone have any questions for the app?

Seeing none, thank you Chris. So with that, we'll open it up to public comment if anyone would like to speak about this issue. We have one speaker, Arie Dino. Mr. Dino. Do you I'll swear you in. Do you solemnly swear that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to help you guide? I do.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the county council. Happy New Year to everybody, and uh it's hard getting back in the saddle and even swearing in, forgot to raise my right hand. Uh but this issue was before planning and zoning uh in the middle of the month in December. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to attend that public hearing. Uh I was at Darden Prairie where they had some controversial issues on the board of alderman agenda out there in the city of Darden Prairie. Uh this is commercial C2 general commercial district. Uh there's the existing use as uh Mr. Myers the director of the division had stated uh it was current it was used for a mobile home park I believe in the past. Uh this is a changing area. Um that that area uh is uh an everchanging area. I don't know if that area will consistently stay mobile home park. Uh but it is valuable land as it is in the middle of uh ofen just off of between Highway K and Brian Road. Uh there were a number of conditions. Uh I just want to go through and make them matter of the record. Um the first recommendation from staff is that roofing and exterior siding shall be similar in color, material and appearance uh to the roof material and exterior siding commonly used for residential dwellings. Second condition is that the home shall be placed on an elevated and backfilled foundation uh and enclosed continuously for the perimeter uh of material comparable uh to the mobile home. The number three is the home shall be multi-sectional with minimum width of 20 ft. Four is a garageel-like materials and color as the attached dwelling is required where similar features are prominent uh in the review area. Number five is the home will have a prominent shape uh bulk and form. They're compatible with the surrounding neighborhood. Number six, the home shall have wheels, axles, hitch mechanisms removed. Number seven, the home shall meet appropriate utility

connection standards in accordance with county codes. And I would imagine that'd be public water district. Number two, um Santa, uh Ducker Creek sanitary district, um Lucleia Gas and Amry Uei. Number eight, agricultural com um compatibility may include the need for gables, recess entries, covered porch entry, bay window, roof overhang, uh building offsets, deck with railing or planers, and benches or other accessory structures. Nine, the home shall be placed on a lot um that its longest axis is oriented consistent with homes in the review area. 10. The home shall have comparable square footage to h um to housing within the review area. 11. The lot or parcel on which manufactured home or modular structure is placed shall be owned by the same entity owning the manufacturer home or um modular structure. And number 10, in any case where conditional use is not in place and in active use within two years from the date of granting uh in accordance with the terms of conditional use originally granted shall be null and voided uh in essence. And so I just want to make sure that this mobile home is newer in its stature compared to the uh mobile homes in the back. There's a lot of those mobile homes that are in uh terrible disrepair. um terrible. Um some of them are falling apart. Uh I also want to make sure this mobile home and this company is not in the business of offering section 8 as um some neighborhoods around our county are experiencing section 8 housing and it leads a tend to bring to our county crime, uh drug interaction, uh prostitution, um um human trafficking, some other type things. So I would hope that this company is not in the business of section 8. I've not had time to check with the federal government, so I don't know the answer to that. Um, and I want

to make sure that this will be an updated mobile home, either new or like new condition uh to enhance the neighborhood and to bring some type of um improvement and uh ownership to this uh area. For those reasons, I would be in favor uh of this conditional use permit and ask uh approval of the county council. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Any questions of the speaker? Seeing none, don't forget your camera, Arie. Um, with that, um, does anybody have any questions of the applicant? There's no reason for you to come back up, Chris. We'll take this up, uh, in two weeks for final approval. With that, that will close the public hearing and that will end bill 5455's discussion. At this point, we'll move on to public comments. Um remember you have three minutes that will be on the clock in front of Mr. Swanson. After three minutes the alarm will sound. I'll thank you for your time and we will move on to the next speaker. First speaker is Rose Zuck regarding bill number 5457.

Rosie looks surprised that she called your name again. I'm used to being with my last name. New year. It is. We're doing the alphabet backwards this year.

Do I have to do anything? No. No, ma'am.

My name Rose. Okay. Um, and I'm talking about the frontier Corey. Not that I have any issues with it, just how they notified land owners that um they said they sent letters out, but nobody received them. So why didn't they send out least um signature for signature uh cards? Um I do know that Spire because someone brought up at the last meeting in P&Z, even though I wasn't here to watch it, I watched it online. And that spire gas line goes right through the Vine Hill property. This property is the quaries. This is Vine Hill. And they asked about buffers and I was concerned about that. My nephew works as quarry for Jorink. um buffers to this property which is FIMO 0 Hunt Club and how close are they going to get and I know uh M said Mop presents uh maps are they available for them to pull up and look where they're tunneling to so the tunnel usually goes about 40 feet and then they have a huge cave that they've dug out so will they present those or is there a place that they can go look to see how close it is to their property and or put a buffer that say you can't go 200 ft to this property. So, I'm assuming this is southwest. These are all 40 acre lots. So, I'm just concerned that that they didn't notify them properly. Even though I don't live there, I was

concerned because they weren't notified properly. Thank you. Next speaker,

Arie Dinov regarding consent agenda items, ordinances and censorship. Thank you once again, Mr. Chairman, members of the um council. First thing I'd like to talk about is on the consent agenda and it has to do with uh Sarah Ivers, acting director of department of public health. Number one, why don't we have a real the director of public health. I know that Miss Ivers lives out of county. Um first of all, the IG care county assessment data has 100 indicators customized by the Department of Public Health and it's $10,500 of our taxpayer dollars. I have some HIPPA uh restriction issues. What are they gathering of our medical data of our citizens and what about privacy? So, I have a lot of questions about this. I'd ask that you would table it and ask the administration uh some in-depth questions. Uh the next issue is community development um granting the administration to the city of St. Peters. Currently, it's with the city of St. Charles. And I'd like to know exactly what the change is and how we can decrease administrative fees, especially getting the city of Fallon to join in on the consortium, the true consortium. Ofallon is the only independent city outside of the other municipalities and towns and villages and it' be nice to have a consolidated county plan. Uh the next issue is with the bid on the consent agenda um for abatement and so it's $35,000 a year and it didn't go to the lowest and best bid in my opinion. So it went to the second lowest bidder and there is a memo there. It really doesn't explain a lot of the details. Um but I have some issues in terms of um making sure that we're getting the best um use of our taxpayer

dollars. And why aren't we doing this in-house to begin with? Why isn't it the Department of Highways or uh the building department uh taking care of this and using existing staff? It really doesn't make sense to me. And finally, uh again, another tax, another fee on our citizens when we want to subpoena or file some um information uh with the sheriff's department to get a court case going. Um civil process fee schedule. It seems like these prices just keep going up and up and up. And some of these fees for criminal subpoena, $20, criminal summons, $3, $9 flat fee. And that's in addition to increasing all the fees across the board by $10 uh from um I believe it's $35 to $45. I may be wrong on that. Oh, $39 to $49. $59 to $69. $68 to $78. It just goes on and on. And some of these cases um have to do with um uh justice. And they also um it's just another fee and another tax of our citizens. And I'm not sure if they're if we're supporting other counties across the state and another unconstitutional issue. And finally, censorship. I'd like you to stop censoring speakers before this council. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, sir. Bob Eno regarding short-term rental.

Hi, my name is Bob Eno. I live at 41 Stafford Woods Court off of Dingle and this is just to begin a conversation. Uh house up the street uh like mine, same square footage, um was sold in December. a corporation out of Oregon purchased it and made it into an Airbnb short-term rental $250 a night. The interesting thing about this is I thought, okay, so our homeowners association was uh built or written in 1987 short-term rentals where it's not an issue. And so it is not addressed in our homeowners association. I looked on the St. Charles County website. I didn't find anything there. That kind of puzzled me a little bit. I sent a text to my councilman, Tim Baker. He said there was nothing there that he knew of. There had been some discussion. I went to St. Charles City. Uh they have um some regulations concerning that and it's written very well. In other words, I don't think you have to reinvent the wheel, but there's there's some things that need to be addressed when you think about it. First of all, inspections. There are no way of inspecting. This house has five bedrooms, three and a half baths. It says the number of people is 10. It has a pool. It has a walk out and a huge deck. What's going to happen in the spring and a and a summer? You know, with that swimming pool, there's nothing that says with five bedrooms, large walk out and everything else, a few air mattresses, you can get 20 people in there. Okay. Right now, there are three large trucks parked there. It's workers from Texas. You know, they're up early and gone. Uh the trash is already piled up. you know, they're putting it out by the street. Nobody's picked it up. The management company is here located here in in St. Charles as an address on Main Street. So, some of the things that need to be addressed really is more than just inspections.

Taxes, there should be a tax on that. You know, if you you know, there should be a like a hotel tax, a a resident tax, you know, concerning that limitations on the number of people based on square footage. It should be based on bedrooms. It should be based on the number of bathrooms. You know, if you got 20 people and you got a two bath house, well, then you you're going to have some problems. The number of vehic vehicles for that house, for any other house. Now, I understand looking it up and seeing any issues with short-term rentals, two-bedroom, onebedrooms, there seems to be no problem because that's typically a couple with a child or two or two couples. They stay, they visit, they uh do the tourist things. But when it gets bigger than that, three bedrooms, four bedrooms, five bedrooms, that's when the police are called. That's when other other issues start to arise. The management company, that's who we're relying on to take care of this. I think this is a is some way to uh get it started and get the conversation going for the St. Charles County Council. Take a look at St. Charles Cities. It's pretty good. All right. Thank you. Appreciate your help.

Thank you, sir. It's the final speaker. Final speaker. That will wrap up public comment oral report from the county executive. Not this evening, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, sir. That gets us to the consent agenda. Any items to be removed from the consent agenda? Approve. Motion to approve from Mr. Brazzle. Do I have a second? Second. Motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. I.

Consent. Oh. Any oppose? Consent agenda is approved. That gives us to bills for final passage. We have three. Starting with bill 5452. Bill number 5452, an ordinance authorizing execution of an agreement relating to St. Charles County's urban commu urban county community development block grant program or urban county CDBG program, namely a 2025 subreient agreement between St. Charles County and the city of St. Peters to operate and run the city's CDBG programs and services. Any questions or comments about this bill? Seeing none, please call the role.

Bill number 5452, an ordinance authorizing execution of an agreement relating to St. Charles County's Urban Count County Community Development Block Grant Program or urban county CDBG program, namely a 2025 subreient agreement between St. Charles County and the city of St. Peters to operate and run the city's CDBG programs and services. Councilman Swanson. Yes, ma'am. Councilman Brazzle. Yes. Councilman Hammond. Yes. Councilman Elim, yes. Councilman Hollander, yes. Councilwoman York, yes. Councilman Baker, yes. Bill 5452 passes. Move to bill 5453.

Bill number 5453, an ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute an intergovernmental agreement with the curators of the University of Missouri Columbia contracting on behalf of the Center for Applied Research and Engagement Systems. Any questions or comments on this bill? Seeing none, please call the role. Bill number 5453, an ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute an intergovernmental agreement with the curators of the University of Missouri Columbia contracting on behalf of the Center for Applied Research and Engagement Systems. Councilman Brazzle, yes. Councilman Hammond, yes. Councilman Elim, yes. Councilman Hollander, yes. Councilwoman York, yes. Councilman Baker, yes. Councilman Swanson,

yes, ma'am. Bill 5453 passes. That gets us to 5454. Bill number 5454, an ordinance amending section 285.010, ordinances of St. Charles County, Missouri, establishing the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department civil process fee schedule. Any questions or comments here? Seeing none, please call the role. Bill number 5454, an ordinance amending section 285.010, ordinances of St. Charles County, Missouri, establishing the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department civil process fee schedule. Councilman Hammond, yes. Councilman Elum, yes. Councilman Hollander, yes. Councilwoman York, yes. Councilman Baker, yes. Councilman Swanson, yes, ma'am. Councilman Brazzle,

yes. Bill number 5454 passes. That wraps up our bills for final passage. We have five bills for introduction tonight. Starting with 5456. Bill number 5456 requested by Mike Carlbert, sponsored by Patty York. An ordinance amending the zoning district map of the county of St. Charles, Missouri, by reszoning land from a agricultural district with floodway fringe overlay district to RF, riverfront district with floodway fringe overlay district per application RZ25-12. Any questions or comments about this bill? That'll get us to bill 5457.

Bill number 5457 requested by Mike Curlbert, sponsored by Joe Brazzle. An ordinance amending ordinance number 03 point or 157 granting conditional use permit C598 for Underground Limestone Mining to New Frontier Materials Operations Alpha LLC property owner and applicant. Any comments about this bill? Am I supposed to push this button? If you hit it, it'll at least show up. At least we'll get to play with with Matthew's tool. Mr. Brazzle shows up on my speakers. Cute. How about that? Hey. Oh, how exciting.

Just so everybody knows, our IT department built this just so we can make sure that everybody on the dis is recognized in the order in which uh they wanted to speak. So if they hit their button that has their name on it, it shows up on the chairman's queue in the order that they hit it. So everybody can be respective there. So I appreciate you playing along with this. With that, Mr. Brezzle, thank you. Uh Robert, can I have some questions for either you or Mike, whoever would know more about this.

I was talking to the applicants here earlier. And um just want to make sure clarify a couple things. From what I understand, they're expanding their they do have a map that they can show us, but they're expanding their underground uh quarry just to extract more gravel, right?

Yeah. Limestone. They've uh there's been a quarry on this property since 1954. Since 2005, it's all been underground. And they've been mining limestone underground since 2005, but they want to relocate it elsewhere on the site, closer to the southwestern corner. Uh so they're not technically exposing to expand the operation because they're kind of relocating elsewhere underground. It's going to be I I want to say the testimony was about 125 to 150 ft underground and it's all on their own property. Unlike some mining that takes place underneath multiple properties, this is all under under their own property.

Okay. So, some of the concerns and I I have no problem with the quarry. I mean, it's been there a long time. However, how do we assure that they're not going to double load load of trucks? And they'd said they're not, but how do we assure that they don't double, you know, put more and more trucks on those rural routes going through new Mali will be a problem? And also, from what I understand, there are conditions on this core that they cannot, they have to close, they don't do night loading or night runs. Is that correct?

There's conditions that were placed on the conditional use permit back in 2003 and those are in the ordinance. uh tonight, but they're proposed to be amended. So, the ones that are no longer applicable are struck out. The ones that would remain include the hours of operation and things like that. I don't I don't think there's a condition on the number of trucks, but there is conditions on hours of operation. Um when you say hours operation, is that mining hours or is that going to be um is that going to be haul? Because what what folks are concerned about is the Highway 70 project. they're going to be running trucks all night long and that is going to be a problem. So, how do we assure that that's not going to happen? And they said, the Corey owner said that they're not going to be running trucks at night, but how do we assure that doesn't happen? Is there a restriction in that that there's no load trucks after 5:00 or whatever the time is? Let me look for the hours here. I'm sorry. Hours of extraction for the production ships in the mine shall be 6:30 a.m. to 10 p.m. Monday through Friday, uh, etc. And then there's hours of blasting, uh, the number of blasts permitted, two permits, uh, blast per day. And

a time on those on those blast. Uh, timing. Yeah. Does it say what time they can blast? Yeah. All right. and permitted I'm sorry here mining operation and truck loading can occur during production shifts so there is hours operation for the loading of the trucks so it's it's not they cannot be loading trucks at night they cannot be sending dump trucks on the road at night correct

yeah according to these conditional conditions they should not be doing that now if if there's a if someone has a concern they can report it to the community development department and we'll look into Good and we'll see if there's not if there's a violation of the conditions for the condition use permit. So my next question would be we have complaints about Jake brakes. Okay. And I don't know, this might be a Rory question or Joanne, but and I don't know and I'll ask the Corey this, but um can we put any kind of restriction on Jake brakes within the quarry because within the quarry

some of these folks who live on on DD with the other Corey, they're running more trucks and I think they're running at night, too, which is causing a lot of problems. And then they did it due to Jake brakes, you know, it's real loud, right? are doing it in the middle of the night. So, and and I inquired about that that how do we we don't have much control because it's a state highway and I don't Rob, was that you that we talked about that? Yes. And we talked to Mo about it. Um I think I'm sorry. Thank you. We spoke with MDOT about it. Um and I think they're still getting back to us on whether or not we would have the ability to use their rightway to put those signs up. So, we're we're still in process.

Can we enforce it? I mean, if we put the signs up, do we enforce it locally? We'd probably have to pass an ordinance to do so, but we would be able to enforce that because even though it's a state highway, no problem, I believe so. Yes, sir. Okay. So, back to this one, right? Can What can we do about the Jake brakes? It it I know that these guys I didn't bring any of this up to them, but yeah, it does become a problem out there. There aren't hours of operation. So th that should be solved I believe by because you said Jake breaks at night time at night time with his other quarry but but yeah and this so if if these guys are not run loading trucks at night and we're assured of that that we don't have to worry about it right

but I wasn't sure if if your constituents were talking about during the daytime or the night time well they're mostly talking about night time and and the ones who were complaining about the daytime I told them you guys move there knowing that quarry was there but the night thing is a new thing because highway 70, right? That's the problem, right? And I realize that um the rock to be used on the interstates uh my understanding is they're wanting that specifically at nighttime um in order to uh reduce uh conflicts with traffic.

You mean they want to run trucks at night time? My understanding is that MODOT is interested in rock sources that are available at nighttime. So, well, they told me they weren't running trucks at night, though. So, does that something we need to um we need to consider putting in as a as a hard condition? I would say if the applicant is here tonight, they could address that better than I could. And they are. You want to address it then? Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. I just we can we'll talk about this off Yeah. Okay. Later. But do you one one of you guys want to come up and all of you can come if you want. Whoever's got the expertise.

You don't have to be sworn in or anything. We're discussing your bill. Okay. Perfect. Um I guess a little bit about who you are and maybe you can answer some of the questions Mr. Brazzles brought up.

Yes. So my name is Justin Higin Bothotham. I'm the director of stone operations for New Frontier. So, I cover all of our Corey operations. Um, I guess to address the truck traffic to start with, um, yes. Um, Mr. Meyer said, there are specific um, uh, conditions in there. Um, during production hours, the production hours are defined 6:30 to 10 p.m. Blasting schedule is also identified in there to 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Uh, the the blasting is with the underground operations a little unique from your typical surface. the way they operate, but we still blast between that four and 5:00 pm window every night. Uh we do have to clear the air, right? So underground, you got to get all the the fumes and everything out. So that's kind of that's pretty hard set. Regarding the trucks, traffic, the night shift, uh we currently do not operate night shift. We're not able to, but as you guys started to to go um identify the the need for rock on nights um from our competitors or other within the industry is directly tied to safety and the mode request, right? So they generally do the construction on nights when there's traffic is less um to allow you know the safety and the traffic. So that is a specific request for the projects. We are not asking for that. We're not asking for that amendment. But as as far as why those truck metro traffic is running at nights um out of other quaries for the I7 project specifically, it it is more of a safety and just logistics challenge of not being able to do everything during you know lane drops all the things they need to do to conduct a construction of a project either 70 or any construction project. So that's why in our industry there's a lot of night shift work that happens.

Well, right now they're not running trucks out of that core. Correct. We are not asking for any modifications. You're saying you will not need to run trucks at night. So we can put that condition in there without a problem. It is already in that is a condition that's already in there. It is in there. Okay. So that's Yeah.

Yeah. So the the hours of operation are identified. Um there has been just you know for for disclosure there has been times a variance was asked because of a MODOT project specifically when it was asked for um the the commission has has identified that. So there has been but that was a project specific where we got a specific variance on for that project to be reviewed and approved based off of the of the request that was made to us. So, okay. But we are the conditions as we are willing to accept them as they are with no modifications to them under how we've always operated. Okay. Any other questions? Thank you. Do I have something to push? County Executive.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. May I inquire? Yes, sir. Um, isn't there some state is there a state uh agency that decides what trucks can and can't do in different areas of the state? I know this has been 20 years ago, but I remember when I was in Jeff City 20 years ago, there was some some questions about uh you know what types of trucks can go on what highways.

There's some specific regulations around trucking and has to do with the weight limits. There's some special um hage zones that are identified and that's that is a state regulation. um it is driven by the population. So St. Charles County, St. Louis County falls under those special regulations um and it is immediately um revolved around uh is immediately around the weight per axle that the trucks are allowed to haul. So how much total weight? So as far as you know, could that impact the question Mr. Brazzle had about putting up signs? And

I'm not a trucking industry expert, right? So the risk on that is Jake breaks. It's the accessing our quarry specifically. It's a it's a big hill, a very steep hill that comes down into it. So, I don't want to interject too much on the the trucking. You know, there is a safety aspect. I understand the nuisance of it. We don't control any trucking. Um once the material, you know, we put it into the truck, it's no longer responsibility. We have nothing to do with the trucking. You would have to approach some, you know, the trucking industry on on those types of impacts. Okay. Any other questions?

Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I just uh I'm not sure exactly u whether or not MDOT uh allow us to do this or whether that other agency will. But I think I think we need to take take a look at it. Uh I I know we can't, you know, MOD gets to set the speed limits on those roads. We can't uh we can't overrule them on that, right? So we may be able to overrule them on on the brake sounds and that's fine. If we can, we'll do it. But I think Rory needs to check that. And also just that state regulation. Y because the state may have preempted uh some of this stuff there too. Can I make one other comment regarding the map? I do have a map here just to show. Sure.

As well.

Um so yes, the the orange outline on here, I know it's a little little blurry here, but it's it's in the original application. The orange outline is the expansion area. Um you can see that it stops approximately right here. The orange lines drawn on here are the distances to the nearest residence. Um you can see the gas pipeline that comes through here. So this yeah this is not obviously our property. The distance of the nearest residents are identified per blasting regulations. You're we monitor all of our blast. We have seismographs placed around um the the the limits for a house are much less than the limits for a pipeline. Meaning if we're monitoring to the closest house which is the regulation and we're meeting there the pipeline um the safety of that is also ensured given that it's a lower standard. Um, so I think we did a pretty good, you know, that was identified the areas in the expansion area, but um, as as far as addressing those concerns,

Mr. Brazzle, uh, one more question. Um, what are the setbacks for the underground um, mining? Like how much can you encroach on somebody's property line? We cannot encroach at all. So the the regulation says, you know, you can't go to your property. We have a setback. Um, it's either 50 or 75 foot setback, which is consistent with the existing operation of all the areas we mined previously from there. So we cannot cross over. Okay. Any other questions? Seeing none, thank you very much. Thank you. That moves us to bill 5458. Bill number 5458, an ordinance approving of supplemental agreement with the Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission for the Hopewell Road project.

Any questions or comments about this bill? Seeing none, that'll move us to 5459. Bill number 5459, an or requested by John Lions, sponsored by Joe Brazzle, an ordinance approving a supplemental agreement with the Missouri Highways and Transportation Commission for the West Meyer Road project. Questions or comments on this bill? Seeing none, our final bill is 5460.

Bill number 5460 requested by Kurt Fres, sponsored by Mike Gilm. an or ordinance authorizing the county executive to execute an intergovernmental agreement with the United States Department of the Interior for joint funding agreement 26 NEJFA241 between the US Geological Survey Central Midwest Water Science Center and St. Charles County for Darden Creek Stream Gauges in St. Charles County. Any questions or comments on this bill? Seeing none, that'll wrap up our bills for introduction. get us to announcements and miscellaneous from anyone. Mr. Baker,

uh, since Mr. Eno brought up the u the short-term rental, is that something the council wants to I mean, what's, you know, we're we're getting the age where bed and Airbnbs are are a lot more popular. I know I've got an area in my district where it's kind of a nuisance issue. So, just kind of throw this out there. Is this something that we as a as a body want to talk about or look into? I mean, that's just a maybe it's rhetorical. I don't know if you if there's any thoughts on it, but just responsive.

Yes. U Mr. Baker, I know our HOA, we actually changed it to only allow two rentals within our uh subdivision um because we were having the problems that Mr. Heno brought up. So, I would be more than happy to to learn a little bit more about and what we actually can do because some of these areas may be in municipalities. So, I don't know how much influence we'd have over that. Mr. Holland.

Yes. I' I'd be happy to look into it also because I this about three years ago. I had one in my district. It was only about four blocks from my house and there was a complaint and I looked into it and we really didn't have anything that we could do. Luckily, it kind of just went away, you know, and I haven't heard any more complaints. But at that point, I I know we didn't have anything. Oh, sorry, Mr. hit the button. Um I with the Matt's point I you know Bob that's in your your thing is an incorporated county or is it in the city? Unincorporated.

Yeah, I could see that being a problem. I just um but there are for me and Patty we got a lot of legitimate VBOs and um we do and and and they're on Evolve or wherever VBO or vacation rentals or whatever and they're legitimate ones coming out to the wine district and all that stuff. So, we don't have the problem you have, but I just would I I don't know if I have an a problem with I don't like more and more government overreach and stuff. However, something like that is a problem. You this that probably isn't even on any kind of listing, is it? Like a VBO? It is on a listing. Yes, sir. It is on a listing. It's on It's on the website. Yeah, that's how I found

Oh, okay. Well, I mean, that that's the thing. Tim Tim and I talked about this. We just got to figure out a way where it doesn't become problematic for people who are legitimately doing it in the tourism business, you know, and that's one of the issues that we face with having a big area like this. You've got the rural area and then you've got council on your

I own the bed and breakfast for 10 years. And so I know that um you do need to regulate them in some way. Um Tim and I's already talked about it. I think we'll we'll get the uh St. Charles City one. I've read that before. Um, actually I think I helped write it a long time ago. Um, and I know that we've talked about how can we do this and not overreach like you say more regulations, things like that. But I think there should be some basic standards of how many people can be in in this in a a facility at any one time. I know that's been a problem in the city of St. Louis um would in it kind of you go to the central west end, you find this really cool place, you call all your friends and say, "Hey, you know, this is a whole lot cooler than I thought. Come on over." And the next thing you know, you go from, you know, two people spending the night to you have a whole great big party going on. So, those are the kind of things is we've got to really look at that and say, who's going to monitor this and how are we going to monitor it? You're right. There's some beautiful, beautiful Airbnbs uh in in our county. We just want to make sure that we've got something to hold over people if they're not, you know, if they're parking great big trucks, you know, overnight in and you can't get around them. That's one of the problems that we've had a couple times is that these people show up, they're there for five days with a great big panel truck and, you know, parked in the street and you can't get around it. I'm sorry, Tim. I don't mean your no I just think we're we're we're Bob's neighborhood is different than what you're talking about, you know, with the rural area and there's, you know, there's just something I think that we just need to look at. I mean, for for situations like that, not, you know, not so much Augusta, you know, I don't know. It just it just seems different because it's houses are spread apart further, maybe. I don't know. It's just, you

know, maybe it's something we talk to Robert and get some ideas or what St. What does St. Louis County do? Do we know? I mean, I'm sure we're not the only county in the area that's has this issue. So, Mr. Brad,

well, I mean, back to Patty's point, I mean, I have five of them right now. So, I have five. So, um, but mine it's it's all goes to management because we we have limits on cars that can be parked there, limits on three people that can be there, no dogs, you know, all that stuff. and no smoking and of course I'm in town so I know what's going on and so but I it's kind of how do you how do you regulate stupidity you know because if you got people that are poor managers it's just what it goes back to you know but no I I and Tim's had the same pro you had a very similar problem and the problems that you and Bob and Tim have are real problems that would drive me crazy if I had that stuff going on next to my house you know so yeah I I agree something needs to be No, we just got to do it where, you know,

right? Yeah. I'll ask Mr. Baker if you would head that up. And Patty and I are already on it. There you go. All right. To be determined. Um, any other announcements, miscellaneous, from anyone tonight. Um, with that, I would thank the Happy New Year. Thank you uh to the council for reelection for myself and Mr. Swanson. Uh, with that, I would entertain a motion to dismiss. Motion. Second. Motion and second. All those in favor? We are ajourned. Happy new year everybody.