Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

We'll call to We will call to order this January 26th regular meeting of the Lake County Planning Commission. We'll call Heather Lind here. Uh is remote today. Uh Steve Stevens here. Jason Marufo is absent. David Yurich here. and Ryan Hill and Joey Edwards here. We'll call for Lake County Planning Commissioners. Uh, Commissioner Tharp is absent. Commissioner Lee is absent. Commissioner Bulock present.

Thank you. Any changes or additions to the agenda today? Uh, we don't have any any for you. So, I don't I think we're going to go ahead and and just let our presentation be our update. So, okay. Very good. I have that I do have that in the presentation. That would be fine. Yeah. Yeah, I got it in presentation. That's okay. All right. And a little housekeeping. Approval of minutes for the January 12th meeting. [clears throat] Uh, has anyone had a chance to review or have any changes to make? I've reviewed. I don't have any. If none, I'd entertain a motion to approve those minutes. A move

to approve the meeting minutes from January 12th January 12th. 12. In a second. Second. Thank you. All in favor? I I Any opposed?

Uh minutes passes. Updates from staff. Um, so I think the only update um that we have and I'll talk about a little bit in our slide deck too is that Melissa and I will be attending the building better places workshop February 9th or we'll be leaving on the 9th to be there um for the 10th. So that's a regular meeting date. And so we're going to um ask if we can forego our first meeting, regular meeting in February and then just agree to meet on a regular time um for our second meeting in February. We don't obviously have any land use files to be heard and so we think this will be a really good use of our time to attend the workshop. So I think that's the only update that we have and then everything else will be in the slides.

Sounds great. Um, I wanted to bring up a question and I didn't do that to change the agenda. I'll ask it now and you can tell me when's an appropriate time. Okay? And I don't even know if this is the appropriate place, but I've had a couple of people ask uh who they would talk to at the county to get approval for a memorial uh for current events. Who would that go through to find a safe place to do something like that that would be approved by the county?

So, I would um send those requests to the county manager's office um to uh and that would be the appropriate place and then she can determine who um staff she wants to kind of tie in to support that. And I would send those to Candace. Sounds good. Thank you. All right. Uh any old business to attend to? If we have no business, we'll move straight into new business.

Very good. Great. Okay. So this evening, um, as we typically do in January, we like to start the year off with sharing with you what our priorities look like, what our, um, what the department is engaged in. And so as we are working through um our one community project, we [clears throat] are currently in February finalizing our goals and strategies and actions in all of the different topical areas um of the comp plan um with the action teams and we're hoping to have a draft of the comprehensive plan some um part probably early part of March. So we can start that review process um and with the hope of looking for a presentation for adoption of the plan somewhere in May or June. These are tentative dates at this point but but some good placeholders. And then of course once we have the plan adopted we'll be working into implementation from adoption through the end of the year. really exciting that this is not only our first ever multi-jurisdictional plan, but our last comprehensive plan did not have a solid implementation plan. And so what you're going to see with this iteration is a timeline um looking based on kind of the priority of the action, who will be responsible

for it and also some funding opportunities to support it. So, um really excited that this iteration will be um really come with a a solid implementation plan. [snorts] And so, what I just shared with you for February uh 9th meeting is that we'll be attending the building better places workshop again. Um this time it is uh focused on economic development. So, that will be happening in February. Go ahead to the next slide. and um some of the professional development that the department will be engaged in. In March, members of the building department and code enforcement will be headed to the Colorado um ICC conference. Um and then Jackie Morrison and I will be um following the ICC conference. It's typically always that same week, the end of the week, we'll be attending the Rocky Mountain Land Use Institute at DU. And then in October, planning staff will be headed to the American Planning Association Colorado Conference. 2026 is quite the year for code adoptions. We will be starting the year off um with House Bill 25142, which calls for uh the adoption or we're choosing to adopt the Colorado Colorado Wildfire [clears throat] Resiliency Code. This is we've already started the ground work with Leo Lake County Fire Rescue as well as the board of review. We are also looking at updating the energy code and our I codes with the commercial code, the residential code, mechanical, fuel, gas, existing building, fire and then the plumbing and man mechanical [clears throat] with the

state codes. Um and it is also uh there's a state update on OWTS or septic regulations. So this is really taking up a good bulk of our capacity for the first quarter of the year. Um next slide housing at 102 really exciting project as we're starting to see homes being set. the homes on Sixth Street in January. They've been working on getting those electric service lines done, building decks, and uh dealing with the punch list items. We're looking at marketing the homes in February and um looking to move into closing on the homes and new owners in March. Um on Third Street, those modular sets are going to start happening now through March. um again with the site built elements coming online um in in that time frame as well and dealing with you know any of the transportation updates results of um fixes that have to be done. So we always end up with punch list items um depending on um the moratorum and when we can put in those deep utilities that'll be sometime um in May or June for Third Street. And then once we've gotten that accomplished, we'll start marketing the homes and hoping for sales contracts in June and July. Um, next slide. Housing has quite a bit going on and so we applied for a DOA grant in December for our housing action plan. We're required to have one um completed by 2028. So, we are well ahead of schedule [clears throat] here. Um we're hoping um to be awarded the grant

and if we are then we'll be moving into a professional service agreement in um March with Root Policy. Um and then Root Policy would start that scope of work to create a housing action plan and update our housing needs assessment beginning in April. they kind of really want to wait until we get um finished up with the one community project or that we're in draft form of that. A lot of the things that they will do for the housing action plan um we've really vetted and we've done a lot of good foundational work with the one community project. So that'll take us through the end of the year. Um, we continue to manage uh and perform the property management on the county rental assets on Elm Street. And so that property management goes the whole year through from January through December. We've been really focused on deferred maintenance of the assets. In 2025, we uh did full roof replacements and in 2026, we're concentrating on heating upgrades. We've been working on getting our NEPA and SHIPO approvals uh finalized so that we can get to the award funding of the $850,000 of congressional spending that we've been allocated. So, um we're hoping to get those through HUD and finalized. We'll be continuing to do grant administration. This friend administration supports all of the housing work that we're doing. Um because we passed the expedited review code amendment uh before the end of the year, we realized an additional $50,000 um to apply towards uh the housing work and we've asked for an extension of this

grant until August of 27. Um Jackie is currently participating in the DEU affordable housing program and that will continue now and through June. And this is a group of housing cohorts really focused on affordable housing um different representatives from different jurisdiction from Dola um affordable housing development and um funding resources and they're really tackling and looking at what are the challenges surrounding um implementing housing initiatives and actually building affordable housing, creating solutions and really sharing funding opportunities and knowledge.

Question for you. Yeah. Going back to property management, who is responsible for the asset management plan for the county? So, the asset management plan is something that is currently been working on through the county manager's office with um facilities. So, it is something that is a work in progress. Got it. Um and so, yeah, this is just one of numerous assets the county holds. Um but that is something that they've created.

They've created a uh separate department for facilities and so that is um now having a lot of energy and and resource being put into it to um create a better asset management million. Who's the head of the facilities? He was he used to be the deputy director in public works. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Uh next slide.

So talking about uh community building our community planning and development operations and systems. We are very excited that we are currently advertising for another planner in the department and we're really hopeful that we'll be able to recruit and onboard someone by the end of February. We've also been approved through the budget for a building professional which we're very excited to add that additional capacity within the department and we'll start advertising that position in February with the hopes of recruiting and onboarding sometime in March. E-ermitting is something the department has set as a goal for some time. When I took over the directorship of the department in 2022, um I identified this as something that was really needed to increase efficiencies. And so we're really hoping that in 2026 we are successful with um onboarding. Right now we're working with cloud permit. We've overcome some mapping issues. We hope um to make the software um a tool that we're going to be able to use. So we're really excited that we've made significant progress. [clears throat] This will help in pretty much all of the disciplines within the office uh within the department. So building permitting will become um an e-ermitting platform planning uh code enforcement septic permitting will also all benefit from um this increased efficiency. So just to give you an idea of course um we are always concentrated on our core essential services and just to give you an idea of what that looks like production wise on an annual basis. We are typically in an annual year managing about 60 land use files. Um combined between the city and the county we're looking at about 150 building permits.

In addition to that, we're somewhere um between 1,000 and 1,200 ancillary permits which look like contractor registration, [clears throat] special event permitting, over- the-counter permits for plumbing, mechanical, solar, roofing. Um and then our code enforcement is got a case load of about an average of 70 enforcement files. Um, in 2026, we're excited to have the support of the county attorney's office and we are currently working into taking some of these files into further enforcement um into district court. So, we're appreciative that we feel like we're going to make some um hopefully significant uh progress on enforcement in 2026. Next slide. So, as we do every year, we have been creating a parking lot of code amendments that we think are important for revision in the code. And so, um, part of what we'll be looking at in the implementation of the comprehensive plan will be, um, actions that will result in the need for updates to our code. For example, um currently our uh manufactured home parks are all zoned business and we're really wanting to think about zoning that would preserve um these communities with the ability to improve as well as protect them um as they are uh areas of having our naturally deeply affordable housing within our community. So that's just an example. There's a lot of different actions that will come out of the comp plan that will result in areas that we will be looking at updating our our

development code and zoning code. Um minor subdivision, we currently don't have anything in the development or in our subdivision regulations that allow us to uh subdivide duplexes or attached uh town homes. So [clears throat] this is a strategy of course that's being used um for affordability. So the 102 project all of those units are duplexes and they will be further subdivided and then sold as individual um housing units. So the county code the city code has the ability to go ahead and subdivide those. The county code does not. And you may remember um Timber Ranch subdivision is an area that they're going to need this tool in order to subdivide attached dwelling units. So this is an area that that we're looking to update in our code. Um CUP amendment. Currently there is no way to amend a a conditional use permit. If you have an existing permit and you want to make changes to it, there's no administrative process to do such. And so what we're suggesting is there should there should be a way to make um simple amendments to your conditional use permit that doesn't require going back through a public hearing process. Um, of course recognizing that when you're making substantial changes to conditional use permit, of course it would be appropriate to come back and go through the process, but more more often um we are seeing that there are slight amendments that could be really done more efficiently [clears throat] through an administrative process. Um, ADUs, as you realize, those come to you as conditional use permits on anything that um occur on less than an acre. Um, and so we believe those should be used by right as long as they meet the uh

standards that are required in the code. So we'd be looking to change those to use by right versus a conditional use permit. Affordable housing um sketch and preliminary approvals. So subdivisions and PUDs that have been granted approvals of a sketch or preliminary plan, those approvals are good for one year. um a developer or applicant can come in and ask for an extension of one additional year in our code right now. What we're finding is often in subdivisions that have affordability. So we'd be looking at 50% or more affordability roughly. Um it takes a lot of work um to you know some of the the items that are lingering that might make these plans go beyond that year or twoyear point is creating the capital stack. Um a lot of times that has to be done by grants which have um you know a big lift to them. So, we'd like to consider when we have these sketch or preliminary approvals that maybe lapse but but nothing substantially has changed in the design, is it putting too much burden to have to go back through a review process on the same sketch plan um just to be able to extend it. So, we want to consider how do we make those approvals have maybe a longer term to them. Height definition talked about this a little bit. We think this is just something we could tag on to something that we're doing. Currently, the definition is the average of the natural occurring grade prior to construction. We'd like something that's a little bit easier to um determine as well as enforce. So, we think that might be a tag on somewhere. And then we're starting to see the presence or at least a trend of more mobile businesses not being brick and mortar. And so how do we look at these as uses? Where should they be allowed?

[clears throat] How should they be zoned? Should they be done through temporary use permits? Should there be um something addressing them in the zoning code? Um so all of these, you know, are are code amendments that we would like to see um addressed and brought to you this year. The ones that I think that we definitely want to prioritize over others are anything that supports our affordable housing goals and um implementation of the comprehensive plan. So, we would hope we would get through all of them. Um but if we had to choose, that would be how we would prioritize them. Um and then we are going this evening in a little bit to talk about a proposal for a six-month temporary moratorum. um the staff report that I furnished for the meeting about lodging types and events. And so I'll wait until we get to that slide deck to just talk about um those. So here's a Gant chart that just gives you an idea of what our year looks like in CPD. So these are all the priorities that we just talked about. The only thing that isn't listed on this, I know it's kind of hard to see, but maybe you can see it. Um is housing. Those aren't listed on here, but it just gives you an idea of what our year looks like. You can see that the first quarter and a half of the year is um very busy. We've got a lot of projects going. Um and so you will see that um we've also kind of intentionally put um the moratorum work into a uh what we're going to talk about in a little bit a very uh described uh work plan because of just the amount of work that that the department has this year.

Any questions about any of the priorities before I keep going? Okay. Go to the next slide. This is the comprehensive plan G chart. Um, which just shows that kind of go flows from the bottom up. Um, but we've got the action teams completing their work or goals and strategies getting done, the draft review, then adoption, and then implementation. Just showing it through a year um view. And then our housing priorities. So, at the top we've got just that DU program, the ongoing grant administration working through um our award of the $850,000 of congressional dollar um that we were awarded the property management that encompasses the year-long. The big scope of work for the department um for the house on the housing side is certainly the 102 project and then the housing housing action plan. So take just a quick second before we go right into the temporary moratorum and just see if there's any discussion box questions things we might be missing.

Things we might be missing. things that have been on your mind that you're wondering when are we ever going to get around to that [laughter] um feedback inputs. There's a lot to get around to. It would be nice to have an update from Jackie at some point on warehousing is and and what next steps are for some of these great two of these programs are getting to fruition. We've got the separate project over in the rail yards which is still trying to come online. Yeah, it'd be nice to talk to her to get an idea of where exactly we are and what we're looking forward to doing next. That sounds great. That would be nice. Just it's hard to keep a handle on it. So, it'd be nice to hear from her on that.

Absolutely. I'm wondering in that same um invitation to Jackie if you might also like to hear from the regional housing authority from Becky Longberg. Um you know, because she kind of spans um over all projects. So you just kind of have a a communitywide perspective. If those two could speak, that would really give us a a nice update on affording. I think that'd be great. Yeah, be nice.

Great suggestion. Anything else? Anything from the commissioners? Anything we're missing? Anything that you want more clarification why we're working on? Okay. All right. Well, then without further ado, let's start talking about our proposal for a temporary moratorum. So, we are asking for a six-month temporary moratorum that um depended on your decision this evening to move this forward or not. Um we would be looking roughly at February through August. We're talking specifically about guest camps, vacation lodges, private resorts, guest ranches, RV parks and campgrounds, special event facilities, major entertainment um venues or events outdoors and indoors. So, just to give you a summary of, you know, what are the key issues that brought us to this recommendation and suggestion is really that we have an outdated code. We don't, our code really does not provide us um with uses that address tiny homes, glamping, um different types of housing units, different types of camping, different types of and it doesn't really distinguish either um between maybe what is appropriate in the back country versus other zone districts. We're identifying that there's risk to to and from in infrastructure. We believe that public safety is something that we continue to feel that our standards could be more supportive of and this is really resulting in inconsistent review outcomes. So, we really want to be able to say that we're

always applying the code consistently um to all applicants and with the current existing code, we're finding that difficult to do. Um some Yes. Just very quickly to clarify, how many pending applications are there? I'm aware of one, but are there other pending applications for this as well that would be outside of the moratorum? Correct. So all of anything that is pending this moratorum would not um be subject to. All right. So we're not holding up anything that's currently in the process. That's correct. Do we have an idea of how many applications that includes?

I believe we have four. Um so we have a RB type campground. We've got um a group we've got group camp. How many group camps do we have? Two group camps. And then the outdoor camping addition. Does that include that one? Well, I think we have two possibly three. Okay. That are are going to be um within in process. So they won't be affected. So So three that will that will continue through the process separate from the moratorium. Correct. Yeah. Thank you.

So yes, very good question. Um and um so some of the areas that we're really going to focus on as we look at this. So we're going to start off with a peer review of um other communities that are similar to ours and look at how they're handling this. You know, it's always a best practice to create that matrix of a comparison um to see, you know, how other communities are managing this. We really want to dive in and evaluate uh infrastructure and what should be the standards around that and what are adequate facilities to support these different types of uses. We want to we've already talked to you a little bit about doing sightspecific risk and hazard review. We really think that is a critical part of evaluating applications. Um and then we want to make sure that we're having more consistent um emergency management standards so that we are we are straight across the board asking for the same management plans and we want to look at what is the cumitive effect of commercial use in the back country. As we created back country, we were very conservative about what we wanted to allow on a commercial basis and we're starting to see a a real uptick in um interest around commercial use in the back country. And so we want to make sure that we are um still in line with the intent of the back country and that we have done enough to protect both public safety and environmental safety in the back country. So, we're hoping that this will create more of effective uh code, more transparent standards, um the ability for applicants to navigate the quot code more easily, and that we're really doing smart growth responsibly, and that the community and

the environment has the adequate protections that they need. Would this also include looking back at previous applicants and the things that happened during those? Not necessarily. We don't really take a look back. I mean, those entitlements run with land and those decisions are are made. [clears throat] Well, I'm I'm not saying questioning decisions, just some difficulties that were encountered. Sure.

Oh, yeah. I think that's really [clears throat] actually Thank you um for clarifying that. I think that that is actually what's [clears throat] really in in part informing this is that you know as we are planning um staff is navigating this as well as applicants we're finding it difficult and so it really is those experiences that are driving um the need for this work. Oh absolutely. Um so again we're just going to be looking at what are the emerging trends and models. Um we'll do that through peer review as well as some independent investigation. We really want to close those regulatory gaps. Where do we not have oversight um to support different types of programming and where should we and where can we and and where are we not able to? Um of course we're always focusing on making sure that we have a code that really is promoting health, safety, welfare. Um, and we want to make sure that we have the proper infrastructure standards. You know, there's a lot of different types of way to manage or there's several different types of ways to manage water, sewer, um, and power and you know, what is most appropriate in all these different uses. Um and then just make sure that again like we talked about we've got a transparent process for the public as well as um for decision making and for staff. So it's very important when you're proposing a moratorum to also include that we have a solid work plan to support what we're proposing to do. We want to put every effort into making this a sixmonth scope of work. And so in month one, the first month, we'll be looking at really setting up that foundational framework. And so that'll

be looking to if um the planning commission tonight supports staff's recommendation. That would be taking the resolution to the board for consideration and then creating a plan um for how are we going to engage with the public? Their input will be very important to this process and then really looking at how and who do we need to help support us through this work. We'll design the research and assignment uh framework between the members of the planning department and how we're going to initiate that work. And so in the first month we be creating um and passing the resolution, creating um a uh interpretive uh piece of communication for the community of why we're doing this and uh providing more information. Um updating our website, having a way that the public can get information quickly and easily, and then just creating the overall framework of the project. In month two, we'll start uh what we were talking about with the peer uh review. And so we'll be looking for light communities as far as being rural, close to resort or or resort or tourism based mountain communities. What are they doing with their regulations? How do they look at density and performance standards? Um how do they define and and do the zoning classifications? And really this creates a matrix so we can do an analysis of comparative um communities and um then helps us with best practices.

You're going to limit that to Colorado. Yes, we do. We do. We already have a few that we're thinking of. Um Chaffy, Summit, Gilpin. Our neighbors are sort of the best the most similar in environment and really politically. Yeah. Yeah. It it gets more difficult. It gets more delayed. Yeah. [clears throat] You wouldn't want to go to East Texas with [laughter] this. Why not? Yeah. It may take us more than six months. They just stare at you. [laughter]

So, okay. Uh month three, then we're going to really focus in more in on infrastructure. So, we really want to be looking at water and sewer, um, utilities, access, emergency egress, and so we really want to have that solid very, this is one area of the code that I think needs a lot of work that doesn't really articulate well. We also want to make sure that we've aligned with other policies, our OWTS regulations, um, public health, um, CDPHE. So, we want to make sure that we really have total alignment to straight across the board um and make sure that our standards reflect that. Okay. Just a quick question. Yes.

When I first saw this, I was a little concerned because it seemed like we were specifically trying to address specific applications and kind of we are. We shouldn't be, right? And I want to make sure we're staying broad enough that we can adopt things that we haven't even thought of, new development type things that might come up in the future. So I mean you know as we develop our requirements around these you know we shouldn't be too design specific around in my opinion we shouldn't be too design specific around each type of application like I don't know RV housing.

No it's it's really the standards for each one. Yeah. I mean, it's careful not to overdesign because then you're going to limit the ability for people to come in and do any of it,

right? But I think there's absolutely 100% right. Wherever we can create where we don't have to get so prescriptive that we have the unintended consequence of um limiting growth. Um there are some areas particularly around water and wastewater where you know there are um CDPHE requirements or best practices or local regulations. So absolutely and and we are looking at this countywide even though there have been instances that kind of inform some the need for this work. This is being we want this to be able to be broadly applied and we you know one of um an unintended consequence would be creating a co code that is so prescriptive that we've um limited development um

unnecessarily. That's kind of where I'm headed with it. It's like we ought to be addressing our amendment requirements for the county that we need to address comprehensive plan concerns. Obviously department concerns like health and human services, fire, [clears throat] hospitals, emergency services, but we got to be careful not to define requirements that are too specific to the application that we're addressing like glamping. You know, we can't

here's how you have to do power, here's how you have to do water, here's how you have to do. They were very very careful when they were doing the backcountry plan and even that we've seen changes in technology and changes on different things that have made it. So there there are things we need to update already. So yeah, I would imagine we would carry that forward with this even even trying to be as careful as we can. Things move forward pretty quick. Absolutely. Absolutely. But the basics of safety and access those things should be pretty easy to to define.

Right. Right. No, really great feedback. um and agreed and and there will be as you will see as we get into kind of the project team you know we will be bringing this back um to you for direction for refinement um as we go through it. So um you know this is just the um where we'll be gathering this information and then bringing it back to for refinement. Yeah, I guess I brought it up my background some specification development for aerospace applications and we got into this thing where you started to get too prescriptive around specific applications, specific development needs, [snorts] around a specific type of missile or specific type of radar system. And we needed to get back to where we were doing it based on what we call performance-based specifications, performance-based requirements. Meaning if you if your system can meet these basic overall requirements that we need as a county, you know, to meet, you know, whatever e emergency services resources, uh, whatever environmental impacts, we shouldn't be so prescriptive that we're trying to tell you how to do your job. And that's just want to be careful you don't have a set of requirements around glamping and one around RVs. And you know, we don't get that prescriptive when we start doing this is all I'm saying.

Sure. No, I think that that's great feedback and you know, it'll be helpful to have um that perspective as as we work on the refinement. So, thank you for um that. I think that'll be um really great perspective. Um so, I'm kind of talking some about what you just said. um that months four and five will be leaning into the that that site specific review um and risk um safety and and the backcountry policy. So, you know, around identifying hazards in wildfire and how do we mitigate that? Um so, more of a mitigation plan um more of what kind of review standards should help us identify environmental impact. um considering what are the criteria over critical areas like um wetlands and flood plane and uh wildfire or wildlife I'm um areas um and and again being able to look at those sights constraints um of what is happening occurring on this particular property. So I think like you said so that we can be nimble enough to look at it on a sightsp specific basis. Um although having consistent emergency management planning um we identify would be a strength and then an doing that analysis on the back country looking at that cumulative effect of what does it mean to allow these commercial uses and and what will that mean um moving forward as we look at how many parcels are zoned back country and and what could that impact look like and are we still um preserving that backcountry zoning intent. So um basically those would be all resulted in positive outcomes of this part of the work plan. And then we

move into that final um five to six month part of the plan. And this is where we really want to make sure that by this time we have um gained enough public input and we've heard from the public um on uh the work, what's important and what needs to be concluded. And we have created draft amendments that are out to the public and that we can take common. And we work closely with the county attorney's office on legal review. And then we start prepping for the public hearing. Um [clears throat] and then we work on um of course one of the other things that that staff will be working on is the actual implementation putting these into code and putting them into practice. So we'll finish up um the moratorium work with the creation of of these definitions and use categories and really what are those standards around infrastructures and facilities and the um consistency on the emergency management standards. We've reviewed the back country. We have a better plan of how we're going to move forward with commercial use and we have effective code updates and amendments. So the project management team in order to get this work done, we would be the leadership of the project. We'll be leaning in with a county attorney for legal oversight. Um, we'll be coming to the planning commission and the board for policy direction to make sure that we're refining and that we're um making edits as need or adjusting as we need to. We identify immediately some of these um departments that we're going to need to coordinate with, but there will certainly be others that we just haven't identified yet, but we're, you know, working closely with public health. We

already have started conversations with public health and um some brief conversations with emergency management. We work closely with CDPHG public works um the soils conservation district. Uh they are a great partner in helping us with this type of work. Our water and natural resource department and um others. And then of course we'll make sure that our project team includes the public input part as well. And that concludes my presentation. Love to take um questions, thoughts that you may have tonight. Um if you know, we'll be waiting to see if the planning commission feels as though they are ready to make a motion um to move the project forward. um as far as the moratorum or if you would like to take additional time or you need more information from staff before you make a decision on whether or not you would like to support this.

I really appreciated in your report you talked about cumulative effect and you touched on it. Can you expand on that a little more? How could how could that be integrated into the code? Well, so what what I think that we're thinking is group camps in the back country. Perhaps there should be maybe backcountry group camps are something that need to be considered because I think that what we want to do is think about [sighs] how many parcels, privately owned parcels are in the back country and we're starting to see an increase in the desire for these um uses. And so we I think the cumulative effect of what we're trying to to consider and measure is how many of of these parcels exist. So if they can be conditionally allowed and they have limited access um and are what is the strain on resources? So I think when we look at at that total effect we're looking at um what is the danger to the environment? What is the danger to public health and safety? What is the impact on county resources if we continue

the impact on other land owners? Yeah.

And the impact to the harmony to adjacent properties um and the intent of the back country, you know, the intent [clears throat] of the back country when you read the definition of it is meant to I'm happy to read it to if you want, but generally, you know, is more of a conservation preservationminded district. And so, are we in harmony with the intent of the the zone district if we continue to um have this use? And if we do, then should we be mitigating those impacts a little differently than we do? So, should we continue to allow it? Should it look a little different for commercial use in the back country than a group camp somewhere else? or even if it's still

it's going to be important to delineate for sure. I think that that's going to open up all kinds of questions and conflict. Well, and it's because we've already had to deal with it. I mean, that's something that happened on a recent application and and yeah, the the impact to adjacent land owners that have a preconceived notion of what our backcountry plan was supposed to do is going to be very important moving forward. Yeah. So, yeah, that's it that might be something like a secondary moratorum like we did over in in Westpak for ADUs or for short-term rentals, excuse me. I don't know that there's a way to do that necessarily, but that's what we're going to have to consider.

Yeah, the impacts are are, you know, different um in the back country versus in some of our other zone districts. And so really wanting to think um what is that effect of continuing to allow them in the manner that they've been allowed and should that look differently and and if so how? Yeah, definitely one one aspect that'll have to be addressed and it's going to require a lot of conversation. Presumably not every private property in back country we would expect to be developed

presumably. But what happens if you get and what happens if you get a a you know a hot spot very heavy density in one specific area then then maybe that overlay plane is what we come into to try to moderate it or mitigate it but moderate it at least. But yeah that's that's one of the concerns that led to this. Well, it seems like hotspots are almost bound to happen because they're based on access for one thing. And so where there's better access, that means there's going to be more. Yeah. Two things. Better access for one and then, you know, individuals that own multiple parcels that are adjacent can lead to a hot spot as well. So, yeah, good luck. [laughter]

No, it's it's it's going to be, you know, a lively bit of work for sure. Um but we think that it's important work because getting ahead of that before we have um you know a situation that has grown to a point of enforcement or you know an impact that we can't mitigate.

Yeah. We had a few last year. We we have several this year. Next year that means a dozen. Year after that it means two dozen. So getting ahead of it would be nice. It would be nice to try to find a way to minimize our time frame on this. I mean truly limit it to a six-month time. So I for one would be one to move the motion forward now just so that we don't drag it out. I would as well. Thank you, Heather. Is that a motion? Uh would entertain a motion for or against moving this forward to consideration by the BOCC. Do you have the script handy? Um, what is

there's a there's a there's a it's not a motion. It's just a top a draft of the moratorum. Yeah, there was a resolution. I didn't see was there I can look it up I was thinking it was probably

I only other comment I have which kind of somewhat along the lines what I was saying before is we got to watch for requirements creep what I mean by that or creep or growth if we already have requirements ments to adequately address certain things we're concerned about with these new types of applications. We got to watch replication. Don't try to replicate. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. We you know we minimize as much as we can of you know we should be just addressing the requirements that are or the gaps not not trying to instill a bunch of stuff that we've already got written somewhere else whether it be a comprehensive plan whether it be in the code you know. Absolutely. I think that that's great advice. And I think one thing that we're hoping to do is be consistent, too. You know, some of these places in our code, I think that we have um found ways we we found good language around um and standards to address some of this, but it's not consistent throughout all of the uses.

And that's what'll hang us is not being consistent. Right. So I think have to refresh that screen, but if if someone wants to make a motion. Yeah, by all means. Okay. I I move to recommend to the board of county commissioners a temporary moratorium on the submission, acceptance, processing or approval of any new land use application for group camp, vacation lodge, PV park and campground, private resort, guest ranch, special event facility, major entertainment event, indoor or outdoors within unincorporated Lake It

does say PB, but it's supposed to be RV. RV. I was wondering about that. Should we include PBS, too? [laughter] To your point, let's keep it simple. Okay. Yeah. Do I hear a second? Second. Uh, we will do a roll call vote on that one. Um, Chair Land. Uh, yes. Steve Stevens, yes. David Urich, yes. And Joey Edwards, yes.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will um put this is on the board's uh agenda, I believe, for the third um pending um approval by uh the county manager's office and legal. So, they do have the draft resolution and so we'll wait. Um, but we've requested it for the third and and we can let you know when it's been approved for the agenda. Very good. What else do we have to cover tonight? I think that Wow, that is like record time. Was pretty straightforward, wasn't it? I I don't do anything.

I think we'll be doing some study session work with the comp plan when the draft comes out because it feels really important to get your input on. Some of you have been at action teams, but many of you have not. So, Mhm. Yeah. working this with the comp plan comes out. Yeah. But you know, you know where it's headed at least the comp plan. So those praises

um you know we do and I think that you know we're starting to really you know be able to identify what those actions are going to be and so um you know there's that's really kind of helping inform some of the other priorities that we shared with you tonight too. So we're very excited um and hopeful to be adding capacity to the department too. Um that'll be

what positions are we currently trying to add in the department? Um so a planner one or two um depending on level of experience. So um either someone coming in with a little more planning experience or someone to fill the position similar to Cece um either would give Melissa and I incredible um amount. Yes, Shelby has been in that interim position um helping us. So thank you to her. And then for the first time um having a building uh professional in the office that we're hoping can start um doing maybe plan review inspection

um and absolut you know in supporting and hoping that um we can bring them on to also add capacity to our um code adaptions. I mean we've got you know a heavy lift really honestly in front of us with codes this year. So we have additional support from the state uh for OWTS. They'll be helping us with uh technical expertise. We have Shuns Kota helping us with code deduction again this year. Um and uh Shumes has also got a uh a fire um expert um fire code expert as well that is helping um fire rescue. So, [laughter] do I

I thought I thought John was your fire code expert. Okay. So, we we have fire code. Yeah. So, we have we have additional supports again. So, I don't know if you've met, we have Hope Medina again who helps with energy code. [clears throat] She's um exceptional, teaches internationally. Um Barbara Rice for Fire Code. Um Cole Clower took over Steve Thomas's position. Okay. Um so he's doing right now a comparison of the 21 versus the 24 um set of codes. So and those are recorded and online too. So if you'd like to see the slide deck um of that code comparison um that's Yeah, that would actually

like to see that. So um we do have quite a bit happening um in the next few months. So they should just hire Jerry fulltime. Bring Jerry back. [laughter] I think what's the motivation? So the the goal is to get out to stop using Sh's code eventually.

Yeah. I think that what we'd like to do is yeah transition someone in. I do think that when we're doing the amount of code review or plan review that we're doing, I don't think one individual can do it all. Um, so I would like to, you know, I think we will have to have some support from Shumes, but we would love to have somebody in the position that could, you know, start doing the majority and then kind of lean away from because right now they're using two people to do it now and it's a little confusing because

the the person that you talk to and ask questions of is different than the person doing the actual plan interview. Sometimes you don't get your questions answered correctly. Okay. It continues to be a little bit convoluted. So you're not quite sure that the point that the planner Mark made is the same thing that John's trying to address. And I that's difficult sometimes. I do I have noted that and thanks for that feedback. We'll continue to kind of watch that. But it is they both mean well but they're not talking to each other. So Exactly. it is probably the best outcome when the person reviewing your plans is the one inspecting your project, right? So, that's what we're best case always,

you know, what what we're doing and and it may be that, you know, we we're referring more of those commercial projects. I mean, we obviously do the majority of residential um builds locally, but um you know, we may be using Shumes more just for commercial or you know, overflow, but the hope is that we have and it's also really in we've identified the benefit of having um a county employee who is invested in the community and this is the only you know community that they're working in. That's really nice. Shumes does have um you know continuing our our relationship or engagement with them I think is equally important over some um you know they still are code experts and can help us with adoptions. They can help us with different things that come up certainly but really hopeful that we can kind of get more of that happening um here locally.

That's going to be a [clears throat] really difficult position to fill. Do you think Do you know how much it's been pay? Um I do think I've been um approved. I know. Um I believe I've been approved somewhere in the 8,000 annual difficult. Yeah, I know because it's hard to get somebody potentially. But it sure, you know, at the same time then you don't have somebody going from pockets to an intern every day. Yeah. And they are spread so thin. Yeah. You know, I'm hoping that, you know, maybe there's somebody local that's ready to get out of retire soon or retire

the the the industry and not manage the stress and and keep all the balls in the air. So, incredibly hard industry and it's only gotten more and more difficult. So, a lot of credentials uh required to I think for the right um person that would come in with some I think that you know through we do have um budgeted support for training, additional certifications. So, we'd be able to help with those ICC searchs and you know any more as you know both of you know you know so many of those can be done you can test online for those. So,

uh one last question on tonight's meeting this motion that we're passing to the BOCC does that change anything for the existing applications? Does that put anything at all in jeopardy for things that are currently in the works? Very good question. Um, no. No. So, they are exempt from this. This doesn't apply to them. So, their projects continue to move forward timely and under the existing code. Okay. Very good. Okay. So, no impact to them. We want to make sure that u we protect them and keep them moving forward. So, thank you.

Absolutely. I would entertain a motion to adjurnn. Second. [laughter] Move to adjourn. Thanks very much everybody. Thank you. Thank you so much for your time this evening. You're welcome. Thank you. Then the eastern side.