City Council - Regular Meeting

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Public Finance and Authority to order. Madam Clerk, may I have the roll call please?

Councilman Garoval?

Here.

Kennedy?

Here.

Mayor Pro Tem Twiney? Here. Mayor McKeon? Here. Councilman Burns? Present. Councilwoman Vandermark? Here. Councilman Williams?

Here.

All present.

Madam Clerk, do we have any supplemental communications?

Yes. We have one supplemental communication for closed session. Number seven, one email received regarding conference with legal counsel, existing litigation. Paragraph one of subdivision D of section 54956.9, Southwest Voter Registration Education Project et al. v. City of Huntington Beach.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Do I have any public speakers for closed session? Yes? Yes. Before we begin public comments, I'd like to announce that pursuant to new state legislation, Senate Bill 707, public comments will be accepted both in person and remotely via Zoom. The City Clerk will not read profane, obscene, or otherwise inappropriate Zoom display names or identifiers. Instructions for providing comments on Zoom can be found on the agenda cover page and on the City Clerk webpage. The City Clerk will provide instructions for participating in public comment. Madam Clerk, please call the public speakers for closed session.

Josh Daniels, it is your turn to speak. Please unmute yourself. Your time begins now.

Great. Thank you, members of the Council. My name is Josh Daniels. I'm an election administrator in Utah. It's nice to be with you as a guest. I was born in Southern California and grew up there not far from Huntington Beach. After I joined the Marines and spent some time in California, I eventually moved to Utah where I found my way into election law and election administration. I was the county clerk in Utah's Utah County. And in our county, we administered some of the first ranked choice elections for cities in the state of Utah. So I wanted to comment on your item about litigation related to the Voting Rights Act case. And just share with you my experience as an election administrator. When I came into election administration, we administered elections using Ranked Choice Voting for the first time. So we had to implement new systems, new softwares. We used the very same tabulation software that the Orange County office uses, the heart system, which includes a software package that was the same software that we used. And I just wanted to share some of our experiences doing that because I know that you're kind of between a rock and a hard place with this case where you may have to use a rank choice election that can be potentially cumbersome and concerning. We piloted this under our state law and we did some polling of voters after the elections and actually found that rank choice voting wasn't as bad as many had told us. We had in Utah used rank choice voting for many years in the Republican Party where the convention would use a rank choice process to nominate candidates. As an elected Republican, I often was involved in administering those elections within the Republican Party and found it to be quite efficient for our purposes. Voters found it easy to use. Over 80% of voters that we polled after the rank choice elections said that they liked the ranking process, they were happy with it, and they wanted to continue to use it. One of the most interesting things that we found though, and I think you're probably facing a similar situation, when you have multiple candidates running for at-large seats, what they sometimes call like a block plurality election where you can choose three candidates or four candidates on your ballot. We found that in our cities, we had a similar process. Oftentimes, voters won't use all of their votes. They might not vote for up to three or up to four. And this results in these sort of orphaned votes, undervotes, or sometimes you call them bullet votes. I noticed in your recent Huntington Beach elections in 2024, upwards of half the voters that participated in the election, just based on math, may not have used all three or four of their votes for outlarge council members. One of the things that we found in Utah was that when we had cities that used ranked choice voting, it reduced the instances of that vote.

Thank you, next speaker.

If you're here to provide public comments in person, please queue in the designated area along the stairs. Use either podium and state your name if you would like it reflected in the minutes. For closed session items only.

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Next speaker, please.

Time to look over our proposal today. I would especially like to thank Mayor McKeon, Mayor Pro Tem Twining, and Councilmember Kennedy for being a part of the ad hoc committee that reviewed our proposal and provided welcome feedback. I also want to thank Ashley Wysocki, Chris Cole, and William Krill for their guidance and professionalism throughout the process. We very much appreciate all your time, feedback, and collaboration. I want to start by reiterating how excited I am to be here today. I love Huntington Beach, and as someone who was born and raised in this city and is now raising a family here, I know that places like the wetlands, Dog Beach, and Central Park are some of the places that make this city so special. It's incredibly meaningful to be standing here with the potential to invest in and partner with the city that has given me so much. That being said, this will be a true family affair. I'm lucky to have both my father-in-law and my own mother and father joining in this pursuit. Together we bring a wealth of experience and wisdom and we will work to ensure that this venture operates intentionally and thrives. Small businesses make this city great and our families are ready to take on the responsibility of representing the city well and creating community through a locally owned family run business. I'm truly hopeful today and I want to be clear that all aspects of our proposal and terms are intended to ensure that this endeavor is done well. We again want to thank you for the time and due diligence given to our proposal. We'd be honored to steward this space and we have a lot of respect for what has been built and who has built it. We want to make sure we work thoughtfully to collaborate with the city to continue and establish legacy as well as work to further embed this space as one of the most special spaces in Huntington Beach. Thank you for everything you do for the city and for your time today. Thank you.

Thank you. Next speaker please.

Good afternoon. My name is Arash Sayadi. I'm with California Ranked Choice Voting Institute. I am an Orange County resident and also the Orange County organizer for the organization. I'm also a former Huntington Beach resident. I actually grew up in Huntington Beach. I went to Giesler Middle School, long gone. and Edison High School. I'm here on behalf of California RCV Institute. We are an education firm, organization I should say, non-profit, non-partisan organization with a focus on educating the public as well as city council members and candidates about RCV and related city ordinances and procedures. I'm here to comment on item 26582 regarding ranked choice voting implementation in Huntington Beach. Given the data from various implementations of RCV in the U.S. in various cities and municipalities, we urge the City Council not to appeal the order to adopt a proportional ranked choice voting. Your city budget is better spent really on the issues that you have with your city as opposed to attorneys. And we believe that proportional ranked choice voting is a fair election system. You will notice that each block of voters within our city are able to elect a number of city council members proportional to its size. Given the history of the lawsuit, based on the city's demographics, Latinos would likely be able to elect one city council member, while non-Latinos would elect the remaining six. So, California RCV Institute, as an organization, state organization, as well as our national partners, Fair Vote, RCV Resource Center, are at your disposal. We're happy to work with the city clerk with regard to the implementation, working with the Orange County Register of Voters, and then speak with any of you council members, provide your input as far as how to essentially run in an RCV election, answer any questions that you may have. Thank you.

Sir, we already have a Latina up here. That would be me.

Thank you. Yes, thank you. Any more speakers, Madam Clerk?

Mayor, before we, well, go ahead. Sure. So we had the first speaker, apparently the mic wasn't working. So if we would like to entertain allowing him to speak again. I don't know. I don't know if it was working or not.

I don't know either. I mean, we heard you fine. Okay, can you come back at the regular public comments? I mean, that was like a full three minutes. Do we know for a fact it wasn't? Alright, come back up.

Thank you, I appreciate that. I know you guys have already heard this, but I want to make sure it's for the record as well. My name is Kanan Durham. I'm speaking here both as a resident of this city and as a representative of Pride at the Pier. I'm here tonight to strongly urge the council not to appeal the June 24th judge's ruling regarding our election system. We should view this ruling not as a threat but as a healthy compromise for Huntington Beach. It establishes a level playing field and does not inherently push any of the current city council members out of their seats. It simply ensures a system is fair for all of our residents. The court has ruled that our current system violates the California Voting Rights Act because it impairs the ability of Latinos, who make up 16.4% of our eligible voters, to elect their preferred candidates. Under our old at-large system, a single majority block can sweep every single seat, leaving minorities completely underrepresented. To correct this, the judge ordered us to transition to non-staggered proportional ranked choice voting. Appealing to this decision would be a costly mistake and a fool's errand. An appeal would almost certainly fail, spending a significant portion of our city's budget on lawyers just to cause a simple delay. Instead, we should embrace this change, which offers clear benefits over the traditional remedy of drawing voting districts. First, drawing districts is impossible here because of how our population is spread out. Second, the judge correctly noted that drawing districts to favor one minority can accidentally disfavor another, such as favoring Latinos over Asians in our city. And third, proportional voting completely avoids using race to draw boundaries, avoiding downsides like costly redrawing every 10 years and increased nimbyism. Furthermore, this system actually ensures that our winners have wider support. In 2024, the vote getter won with 19% of the vote, In 2022, winners took office with a mere 12 to 13%. Under the new system, winning a seat in a three-seat election would require a 25% threshold, and a four-seat election would require a 20% threshold. Ranked choice voting provides an instant runoff, ensuring that if two similar candidates split the vote, their support combines to cross that threshold. Finally, this will not confuse our voters. Huntington Beach voters are already used to picking three or four candidates. Now they will simply rank those same candidates in order of preference. Please protect our city's budget, accept this fair compromise, and do not appeal this decision. Let's move forward with a fairer system for all residents, and thank you for letting me speak this again for the record. Thank you.

Madam Clerk, any more speakers?

No.

All right, including closed session is Conference of the Real Property Negotiators, Government Code Section 54956.8, Property 17732, Golden West Street, Huntington Beach, California, 92647, APN 111-010-69, Agency Negotiators, Travis Hopkins, City Manager, Marissa Surr, Assistant City Manager. Ashley Wysocki, Director of Community Library Services. Chris Cole, Community Library Services Manager. William Krill, Real Estate Project Manager. Negotiating Parties Michael and Christina Bartusek, doing business as Park Bench Cafe and Rory Bevins, not present, under negotiation price in terms of payment. Conference of Labor Negotiators. Government Code Section 54957.6. Agency Designated Representatives. Travis Hopkins, also in attendance. Marissa Surr. Mike Villanueva, City Attorney. And Zach Zee, Acting Chief Financial Officer. employee organizations, the Huntington Beach Police Officers Association, the Police Management Association, Huntington Beach Firefighters Association, and the Fire Management Association. Counsel, do I have a motion and a second to recess the closed session?

Second.

Recess the closed session.

Recess the closed session.

You ride with the winds that bring you gladness And see if you can see A place that's free from all dismayness

The sky's the only way you can make it if you find a sunset.

Come see how the stars can lead you far away, where wandering thoughts do roam. And ships sailing on the sea sail onward, and love night

Every day. Every day.

When you smile at me, I can see you're giving all the love that we share. And it's all I'm living for every day. Every day. Every day is sunshine. And I'm so glad that you're mine. If the rain and the snow and the ice is cold, deep inside, love is new. And the sun comes shining through every day, every day.

Every day a sun shines.

La, la, la, la, la, la.

Once I had a dream that made me sad. How so many people can be bad? Everybody wants all things. Running don't have much to say You better get your dreams before they fade away We're all here until we know not when Love has gone and won't come back again I'm gonna take it

You know we'll be together Looking like a fisherman, dropping a line in the sea.

Bye. Bye. We'll be right back. Bye.

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Once I had a dream that made me sad How so many people can be bad Everybody wants all they can grab People running don't have much to say You better catch your dreams before they fade away We're all here until we know not when

You know we'll be together.

Stay at home, sitting staring at the TV. She comes home late and tells me, honey, where have you been? Well, if I didn't feel so down, I'd be sleeping underneath the moon. i got up this morning too late to go to work well i ran to the station and i got on the very next train and when i opened up my eyes i was back in bed again I don't want to get a job because work is just a waste of time. I'm going to be an independent person for the rest of my life. But if she catches me at home, she's going to beat me all about the day. And if you come in shouting, you better get yourself to bed. Come on, please let me stay.

I said come on

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

To reconvene the regular meeting of the City Council Public Finance and Authority. Madam Clerk, may I have the roll call, please?

Councilman Gruhl? Councilman Kennedy? Here. Mayor Pro Tem Twiney? Here. Mayor McKeon? Here. Councilman Burns?

Present.

Councilwoman Vandermark? Here. Councilman Williams?

Here.

All present. Gruhl?

Here, sir.

It's here, a tent coming.

All right, tonight's invocation will be given by Huntington Beach Police and Fire Chaplain Roger Wing.

Would you please pray with me as we begin this evening's city council meeting? Heavenly Father, as we gather tonight, we pause to acknowledge that every good gift comes from you. We thank you for the freedoms we enjoy as a nation and for the privilege of serving our communities in peace. As we just celebrated the 4th of July and commemorated America's 250th anniversary, we also want to remember those who had the courage to establish this nation and the generations of servicemen and women, first responders, and public servants who have sacrificed to preserve the liberties that we so often take for granted. May we never lose sight that true freedom carries with it The responsibility to pursue justice, serve our neighbors, and live peaceably with integrity. We thank you for the traditions that bring our community together, especially Huntington Beach's 122nd wonderful 4th of July parade. A celebration that reflects our city's patriotic spirit and its sense of unity and pride. And we give you thanks for your protection of the parade and our city through all the weekend festivities. As we enter another busy tourist season, we ask for your protection over everyone who lives, works, and visits our city and beaches. Watch over our police officers, firefighters, lifeguards, paramedics, public work crews, and all who serve behind the scenes. Grant them wisdom, strength, and safety as they care for our community. We ask your blessing on all of our Huntington Beach public servants and their families. Finally, we ask for your blessing upon each council member and this evening's meeting. Give each member humility, discernment, and a commitment to seek your will and the common good of our city. May their decisions be marked by wisdom, respect, and a genuine desire to serve every resident of our city. Guide those who will be speaking tonight to demonstrate decorum, grace, and a spirit of unity and peace. And we ask these things in your wonderful and most holy name, Jesus. Amen.

Thanks, Roger. Tonight, the Pledge of Allegiance will be led by Dennis Bauer of American Legion Post 133. Dennis started life in South LA and grew up in Pico Rivera. He was drafted after completing the first quarter of his junior year at UCLA and spent two years in the Army. Dennis did his basic training in Fort Ord, California, and was sent to Fort Sam Houston, Texas for medical training. There he did medic, basic, and advanced preventative medicine training, and became a preventative medicine specialist. After his training, the Army sent him to Madigan General Hospital in Fort Lewis, Washington, where he spent one cold winter skiing every single weekend. He's really proud about that. Having listened to your left in the army, you received orders sending him to Korea. At that point, he and his fiancee decided to get married before he went to Korea. Dennis received an early out in December 1989 to return to his education at UCLA. He has been an HP resident since 1981. Thank you for your service, Dennis.

Please join me in the pledge of allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag, of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thanks, Dennis. City Attorney, do you have anything to report from closed session?

Just briefly, Mayor, we did not discuss items six and seven, the two, one existing or both existing litigation matters. I did want to let the public know that on the Southwest voter registration lawsuit, The city has not received a final order. We have a tentative order from the court, and we have 15 days to present objections to that order. Once we receive a final order, we will discuss next options, including appeal. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. All right, city council members, would anyone like to make a comment? Go ahead.

I would just like to thank our first responders for being out here on Independence Day. We had a wonderful parade. There weren't any major incidences. We have hundreds of thousands of visitors here and we're always proud to have the largest Independence Day parade west of the Mississippi. especially on this 250th birthday of our country. So I'd like to thank everyone. Stacey, who did an amazing job organizing it as well. So thank you all for keeping us safe and making this another successful Independence Day Parade. I believe it's what, 122nd, Casey? That's correct. Thank you.

Pat. All right. Same thing. The parade went awesome. Independence Day, I thought, the whole weekend went pretty smoothly. And I want to really reach out. Casey, you're part of the main orchestrator of a lot of the showmanship of that thing, which cracks me up. I mean... You guys did a great job, but special thanks to Aaron Kaufman and Tyler, who did the car show. That was pretty awesome. And one guy that really stepped up and really, God, without that guy, I don't know what this city would do. He really does, goes above and beyond. And he's an old dude. I mean, he's not young. But Don Ramsey, he really... goes out of his way, helps in every way he can. He plays in a band. He puts out combs. He is on all kinds of different committees. The guy does such a service to this. It's incredible. This whole community owes him a debt. I want to remind everybody that Huntington, I mean, Bolshevik Conservancy is having the barefoot ball August 7th. And one thing that we had that was kind of almost slipped by the city, and I'm not sure how, but it was an awesome event over at Bolsa Chica State Beach, which was still across America, where Tunnel for Towers came in, and they did a... awesome tribute. It was very well done, so well organized. Everything about it was pure professionalism. They came out here with a big steel beam part of the one of the North Tower, I believe it was, and they really put on a heck of a presentation that really was unbelievable. It was awesome. And last but not least, there's a movement around this country pushing socialism and communism. And I'll tell you, it's... It's not worked. It's worked for a lot of people in the that have been subjected to it. And those are all the leaders and everything of it. The people suffer. But the leaders, they they're tyrants. They're there. They take away all the rights, and people better, again, like I've said in the past couple meetings, when you go vote, vote American. Keep in mind what our Constitution gives us, our freedoms, and the value that they mean, what they mean to us in our lives, the way we live, and the quality of life we're able to give ourselves and our kids, friends and family, and everything else. It's very important. I know it is to me. So, just, that's it.

Anybody else? Butch? I too just want to thank a few people over this Independence Day, America 250 weekend. I want to first thank our city staff, and I know I'll forget some, but I want to thank our incredible Huntington Beach Police Department, our fantastic Huntington Beach Fire Department, Public Works was out in force. I want to give a special thanks to Stacey Newton who puts this whole thing together. I want to thank my fourth floor friends, Jessica, Julie, and Shannon for being there and making sure we were all in the right place at the right time. I want to also thank Tyler Wolf and Aaron Kaufman for a fantastic car show. And finally, I want to thank our mayor, Casey McCann, for being the maestro that made sure that we all came together and we were all in the right place at the right time. Thank you.

Sir? Don?

I just wanted to chime in. That was truly an honor to be part of the parade. America 250 was an incredible event. We're not the biggest city, but we're certainly the best city. So I wanted to commend everybody who took part in that. I'd really like to throw some commendation to the people that showed up. Very respectful crowd. Every aspect I saw from the fireworks show, to the bandstand, to the car show, to the parade itself, to the bike parade, every event there was a lot of ceremony of joy. And it was really refreshing, so I wanted to say, I was honored to be part of that with my wife and everybody who participated. I also wanted to say we've received quite a few emails from the Bright Star parents. And although we don't have any real purview over the school districts, I would like to understand why if they've sold the school that's had a lease for 30 years, I can understand that it's Ocean View's property. But if I was Ocean View, that school serves so many great kids and some special need kids. Why they couldn't leave it open, at least until the developer, whoever that may be, is fully entitled, ready to demolish and build. That would probably give that school a couple more years. So I just want to let the parents know, we do read your emails. There's not a lot we can do. I promised a couple parents I would make a recommendation to the school district that they maybe slow down I don't know if they can reverse course maybe not close it quickly wait till it's ready to be demolished could be years from now before they pull the plug on what I've learned to be an incredible school incredible staff and serves a lot of kids that really need that kind of service and the preschoolers as well so I just want to let you know we do hear you

In addition to all the thanks from my co-council members, I just want to thank all of you. I want to thank the residents and the visitors. I mean, what an amazing turnout. But the 4th of July reminds us that freedom does carry responsibility. It asks us to be good neighbors, engaged citizens, and stewards of this community, and we saw that on the 4th of July. The positivity, the unity, I really appreciate that from absolutely every single one of our residents and all of their visitors as well. So we may not always agree on every issue, but we're united by something much greater and that's obviously the commitment to this city and ultimately this country. So thank you all so much.

I knew I'd forget somebody. I want to thank Ed Romo. I believe it was the seventh annual Independence Day bicycle parade. It was massive. And good job, Ed. If you're watching, it's an event that I'll try to never miss, as long as I can ride a bike.

All right, I want to echo all the thanks and gratitude that my fellow council members have shared and make mention of one unsung hero. I discovered that maybe some of you already know or don't know, but there's one particular family, the Mayer Foundation, that makes those fireworks at the end possible. They donate all of those fireworks. And so I know they don't do it for recognition, but I think that we should give them a little bit of recognition. I think it's due. And so I'm thankful for them supplying that.

Yeah, I'll just conclude with simply thank you. I mean, this was the greatest Independence Day weekend of festivities in our city's history. ABC just told us today viewership was triple what it was ever before. Just on early data that we've seen with Molly and I, attendance at the parade was up over 32%. I just want to thank everyone that put this together. We had an all hands on deck last year meeting on July 5th. Well, so we have 364 days to pull this off. And we work nonstop until literally the morning of July 4th. And everyone delivered from public safety, marine safety, the Independence Day Board, Molly. I mean, her and I were speaking almost daily for the last month. Julie, they just entertained every crazy outrageous idea I had. And they came through on the cannon, which I'm very grateful for. But just thank everyone for pulling this off. And when we did the HB So Proud, we just represented on a world stage. I mean, I've been reading press from all over the world and the country, just how amazing it is. And my colleagues touched on it. I just want to thank the residents and the visitors for celebrating with class. and American pride and patriotism. And to have that many people in our 122nd annual Independence Day Parade, the biggest and longest west of the Mississippi, to deliver the way we did on America's 250th birthday, it's really special. I'm extremely proud. I want to thank my colleagues for electing me to be mayor this year. Running down PCH carrying the 1776 flag was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had in my life. It was just surreal. And then to be able to fire off the cannon with the Sons of the American Revolution is just, again, a moment that I will remember for the rest of my life. Council Member Williams touched on, I want to thank the Mayor family for their generous donation. I mean, everything we did set all time records, so that was the longest firework show in Huntington Beach's history by over 50%. Normally it's 20 minutes, we had a 30 minute firework show. The 5K run in the morning, Pat and I walked that route and saw just the thousands of runners. uh dedicated it was fun just watching all that we're at the pancake breakfast with kiwanis before and then you know the parade as we touched on the most entries we've ever had and i thought just from what i would see we're in the front with all the soldiers in our five-ton vehicle but just looking back i mean all the floats we saw were the best ever it was just we just came through we crushed it we rocked it it was incredible so i want to thank everybody and lastly just really want to thank our soldiers and our veterans and everyone that's fought for our country for freedom for the last 250 years to give us this opportunity to live in the greatest country God's ever created. And to remind us that freedom isn't free and it's so special and it's such a historic moment that we get to be a part of and we should all be very proud as Americans and as Huntington Beach residents that we delivered on the world stage. And I just said in the interview, we need to remember that we're all Americans, we're one nation under God, under the American flag, and we all need to come together and be very proud of this moment, and we should be, and we delivered. So just thank you everybody, I appreciate it. All right, moving on to the Mayor Spotlight presentation. So at the June 23rd Mayor Spotlight Awards, we were pleased to honor the following groups. So we honored Eva Casey with this month's Mayor's HB Excellence Award. Eva consistently goes above and beyond in supporting the building and code enforcement divisions as a welcoming face of the permit center. She's the first point of contact for residents, homeowners, and contractors. She handles the high call volumes and customer inquiries with professionalism, warmth, and efficiency. And she's that really tall lady right there in the front, you can see her. Her respectful and knowledgeable approach helps resolve concerns, de-escalate challenging situations, and ensures code enforcement staff receive the accurate information they need. Everett's dedication to exceptional customer service makers, an invaluable member of the city team. And she was great, just so fun to talk to. Jennifer can attest to this, but everyone loves her. Her description was, I talk to a lot of angry people every single day. And you can imagine with her demeanor, she really diffuses all those situations, so we're really honored to give her the Mayor's Excellence Award. Next, we proclaim July as Parks Make Life Better Month, and we were honored to celebrate alongside some of our incredible community partners and nonprofit organizations that help make Huntington Beach Parks thrive, including Shipley Nature Center, Friends of Edison Park, Friends of All HB Parks Matter, and the Huntington Beach Disc Golf Community. Next, we thank the city's homeless task force, team of Jessica, Virginia, Annabelle, Stephanie, and Arlene for the hard work they do day in and day out in our community. I said it before, these last four years, all working together, we've achieved the greatest homeless reduction numbers in our city's history, and it's a huge testament to them. And all of us working together, so we're really honored to celebrate them. We then honor the other half of the task force, which is the police department. the encampment cleanup crew for assisting with encampment breakups. We commended Lieutenant Alnbach, Sergeant Duel, and Officers Dineen, Defenbach, Kent, and Bull for quickly resolving the issue. So they came in and broke up a really, I guess, large encampment in a tough area to get to. So again, super appreciative for everything they do. Next, we honored some local surfers, Edgar Murillo. Sean Rocha, and Chris Blanco for their heroic actions at Bolsa Chica State Beach. When a fellow surfer was knocked unconscious and left face down in the water, these guys immediately paddled to his rescue and brought him to safety and brought him to shore. According to Huntington Beach Fire Department personnel, their quick actions likely saved his life. His name is Dan. We then had Fred's Mexican Cafe back as they made a $10,000 donation to the Make-A-Wish Foundation. This remarkable gift will help grant life changing wishes for children facing critical illnesses, bringing hope, strength, and joy to families during some of their most difficult times. So thank you, Fred's. They then split the $10,000, another $10,000 and gave $5,000 to the HP Council on Aging. and the other half to the Wetlands and Wildlife Center. While the wetlands reps were not available to attend, they did present a $5,000 contribution to the HP Council on Aging that will help support programs and services that enrich the lives of our senior community. Fred's commitment to giving back reflects a spirit of community partnership that makes Huntington Beach such a special place. So thank you, Fred. Moving on to the business highlight section of the meeting. For tonight's business highlight, I just want to share a few updates on new businesses, local partnerships, and organizations contributing to Huntington Beach's economic vitality. So with the HP business buzz, this is always what's new in Surf City, USA. This gets a lot of great positive feedback. So thankfully, businesses continue to choose Huntington Beach as their home, bringing new jobs, services, dining, shopping, and entertainment options to our community. And this week's business buzz highlights new businesses that are now open or coming soon, which we recently featured on the city's social media channels. We encourage everyone to shop local and explore what's new. Business information including locations and websites is available on the city's business webpage under shop local. So now open is Amaya Coffee Shop on Beach, Brandy and Melville just relocated to PCH. Champagne's just opened up on the second block on Main Street. Coach's Lounge on Adams. Dwight's is reopening on PCH. Focaccia House on Main Street, garlic and noodles by Joy. Hibachi Nana Grill. Izzikaya Takase on Ettinger, Little Sister. Pacific City, Mendocino Farms in Pacific City, Northern Cafe on Beach, Offside Department in Pacific City, Sourdough and Company on Golden West, Subculture HB, Surf City Escape Games in Pacific City, Taste of Italy on Beach, Tacos Miranda HB on Brookhurst, The Brunch Cafe on Center Avenue, The Fur Seasons on Beach Boulevard, The Habit Burger and Grill on Atlanta, The Lighthouse at Pacific City, Plush and Play at Pacific City, Wingstop on Warner, and yes, this is a real name, Yellow Rat Bastard on PCH. And then coming soon, we have in the Old El Ranchito's Agave Seasons on Main Street, LA Personnel Training, Aquatot Swim School, Bacho de Latte, Chocolate Bash, Opoy Loco on Ettinger. Across from Golden West College, Einstein Bros Bagels on Adams, Goodberry Chicken on Warner, Gray's Craze on Bolsa Avenue, Huntington's on the Pier, King Louie Beach Club, Ling Long Dumpling House right on Fifth Street, Michael's on Adams, On Deck on Vincent Circle, Rad Coffee on Beach, Tacos Madre on Sampson Lane, The Kickstand Soda Shop on Fifth, The Now Massage on Bella Terra, Chung Nguyen Legend Cafe on Beach, Urban Air Adventure Park on Beach Boulevard, and then Waves Market and Spirits, which is also on Beach Boulevard. Next is the Huntington Beach Chamber of Commerce Sector Partnership Program. And the chamber has launched its new sector partnership program bringing businesses together to discuss industry challenges, opportunities, and priorities. The first two sessions focus on health and wellness and professional services, brought together more than 70 local businesses. Additional sectors including manufacturing, technology, and logistics, real estate development, and retail, restaurant, and hospitality are also launching. This program provides another opportunity for businesses to connect and help shape the future of doing business in Huntington Beach. And you don't need to be a chamber member to participate, so just visit the Huntington Beach Chamber of Commerce website for more information on upcoming sector meetings. Up next we have. Continue with the men with the mayor series. We're highlighting three local businesses tonight since we had a three week break. First is Bark City. This week we're featuring Bark City, a locally owned dog care facility offering daycare, boarding, grooming, and open air play. Founded by siblings Bryson and Brittany Berryman, Bark City has been serving Huntington Beach pet owners since 2015 and has created a welcoming space for our four legged friends. So thank you Bryson and Brittany for investing in our community.

Huntington Beach, I'm Mayor Casey McKeon. with special guest Hank McKeon.

Today's episode of Midnight with the Mayor takes us down to Bark City right off of PCH in Newland. Let's go meet the team. Bryson and Brittany, tell us about Bark City.

So we are a family owned and operated dog daycare and boarding spot in Huntington Beach. We've been serving the community for 10 years with over 5000 square feet of outdoor space, indoor space to match. We provide premium care to dogs of all sizes and ages. We also offer grooming services so your dog can come for a play day and then go home happy, healthy and looking good.

Yeah, my dog Hank McKeon, this is where he goes is Bark City. So why did you guys choose Huntington Beach to open up your business?

All of Huntington Beach lives outside all year round. And I just thought this community could be served by having a place that has dogs outside the majority of the time. So I picked Huntington because there just seemed like a real need for it and wanted to serve in this community. And I just thought it was a perfect match.

And on that note, what do you guys love about serving the Huntington Beach community?

It's about the relationships that we've fostered here. You see dogs like Hank come in, they come in as puppies, and we see them grow into their golden years. And ultimately, it just feels like a privilege to serve the community, and we're just lucky that we get to wake up every day and kind of give back.

That's another local gem right here in Huntington Beach. So remember to support local and keep Surge City thriving. See you at the next stop.

Right Hank?

What's up? Hank is a light, so that was fun. All right, up next is Love Nutrition. Our next feature is Love Nutrition, a family-owned wellness cafe on Brooker Street. Owner Megan Irvine offers high protein, low calorie smoothies, loaded teas, hydration drinks, and protein iced coffees while partnering with local schools, sports teams, and nonprofits. So thank you to Megan and the Love Nutrition team for supporting the Huntington Beach community.

What's up, HB?

This episode of Minute with the Mayor takes us to Love Nutrition right off of Brookhurst and Garfield. Let's go meet the owner, Megan. Megan, tell us about Love Nutrition.

So Love Nutrition is family owned. I actually took over in September. Prior to that, it was owned by a different family. They owned it for four years. So I took over in September and we're completely operated by friends, family, and all locals, really.

What separates you guys apart from other smoothie shops, would you say?

Number one thing is just nutrition. So everything we sell is high protein, low calorie, low sugar versus another smoothie shop might, you know, instead of nine grams of sugar, you might be getting like 35 or 45 grams of sugar. So if you're health conscious, if you like to go to the gym, if that's kind of your focus, we're definitely more your speed.

So since it's my first time, what should I order?

My favorite is Nutter Butter with Banana.

Can I help you make it?

I would love that. All right, let's go.

Okay.

Sometimes the hardest part. And then nice.

Look at that. That's love at first sip. So remember to support local and keep Surge City thriving. See you at the next stop. All right, last is Sullivan Subaru. There was an automotive dealership on Beach Boulevard, now under new ownership. General Manager Chris Murphy shares what makes Sutherland Subaru a great fit for Huntington Beach and highlights Subaru's reputation for safety, reliability, and an all-wheel drive capability. This dealership now offers new and pre-owned vehicles, service, and parts, while also supporting the community through local events and partnerships. This episode of Minute with the Mayor takes us down to Sutherland Subaru, right off of Beech and Garfield. Let's go meet the team. Chris, tell us about Sullivan Subaru.

Yeah, so Brett Sutherland, he had dealerships on the East Coast, and he wants to start a new dealer group in the Orange County market, and we plan on being a big player here.

I didn't realize, but Subaru is like one of the biggest selling brands right now, right?

Oh yeah, Subaru is on fire. Really? They got just such a great, loyal customer base, and they got some really hot cars coming out right now, especially with the electric vehicles.

And then tell us about the Beach Parking Pass promotion you guys have for if you come in and buy a vehicle.

Yeah, so that kind of exemplifies what we want to do here is be more than a dealership, partner with our community leaders, and the Huntington Beach Parking Pass is a perfect example. Every car you purchase from us, you get a free Huntington Beach City Parking Pass.

Nice. And lastly, what would you guys just say you love about serving the Huntington Beach community?

Honestly, the people. The people are amazing here. I came from the Bay Area. One of the first things I said to my wife was, the people are so nice here.

That's another local gem right here in Huntington Beach. So remember to drive your ride locally and keep Surf City thriving. See you at the next stop. Woo! all right so thank you to the businesses that continue to invest in huntington beach and strengthen our local economy we appreciate your partnership and look forward to your continued success in our community next is community events announcements uh madam clerk do we have any sign of anyone signed up to speak for community events i'll call the community event announcements okay the city council will now receive announcement for community events only community event announcements are accepted in person only

Please queue in the designated area along the stairs and use either podium. State your name and organization for the record. Each organization is allotted two minutes for its announcement. If you're here for a community event announcement, please come to the podium now.

Hello, my name is Carissa Macias. I'm the executive director at the Bolsa Chica Conservancy. The Conservancy has been providing education and habitat restoration programs for over 35 years. I'm here to announce that our 13th annual Barefoot Ball fundraiser is coming up on Friday, August 7th, and will be held at the Waterfront Hilton Beach Resort at 530. I would like to invite our community to participate and attend by either helping to provide auction items or donations for our online auction or by purchasing tickets to attend the event or sponsor a table. You can find more information on our website, bolsachica.org. The Bearfoot Ball provides approximately 30% of our annual budget and allows us to keep our interpretive center open to educate youth and introduce them to nature. Thank you for your time and support, and I look forward to seeing you at the Bearfoot Ball on August 7th.

Thank you. Please state your name.

Jason Schmidt, City Treasurer. Good evening, council members and community. I am incredibly excited tonight to announce a new program that we are launching at the end of July to provide free financial literacy and workforce development training for 18 to 28 year olds from economically challenged families in Huntington Beach, Fountain Valley, Garden Grove and Westminster. This program will be held every Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday from noon to 1.30 for three weeks at Golden West College from July 27th to August 14th, and lunch will be provided each session. Students will learn about things like opening a bank account, balancing their budget, and investing for their future. All we're learning about succeeding in the workforce from local business, nonprofit, and government leaders who would love to hire lots and lots of interns. Everyone who completes the program will be eligible for cash awards, financial scholarships to pursue further educational opportunities, and clothes to make that amazing first impression at the next job interview. Sign-ups are now open, and all you have to do to sign up is scan the QR code, which you see on the flyer, and complete the form. It only takes a minute, and it could change your future. But please sign up by July 20th before registration closes. Developing this program would not have been possible without an army of partners. First and foremost, Golden West College and President Meredith Randall for providing the space and marketing support to make the program happen. Second, Supervisor Janet Nguyen and the cities of Garden Grove, Fountain Valley, and Westminster, who have invested their time and resources to expand the program's reach so we can help change as many lives as possible this summer. And last, but definitely not least, all of our nonprofit and business partners, including Youth Investor Corps, the United Way, Junior Achievement, Working Wardrobes, and the Huntington Beach Chamber of Commerce, who have built an unparalleled financial literacy and workforce development curriculum for this summer. This has been an absolute labor of love for all of us who have been working on this, and I am extraordinarily excited that we now get to share it with so many deserving participants. Thank you.

Thank you. Announcement of supplemental communications. Madam Clerk, do we have any supplemental communications?

We have no supplemental communications.

Moving on to public comments. Before we begin public comments, I would like to announce that pursuant to new state legislation, Senate Bill 707, public comments will be accepted both in person and remotely via Zoom. The city clerk will not read profane, obscene, or otherwise inappropriate Zoom display names or identifiers. Instructions for providing comments in Zoom can be found on the agenda cover page and on the city clerk webpage. The city clerk will provide instructions for participating in public comment. Madam Clerk, how many speakers do we have, both in person and online?

We have 21 speakers in person. I'm not sure about online at this time. Okay. The city council will now receive public comments for any topic including items on the open session agenda. If you are here to provide in person comments for open session, your number will be called. Once your number is called, queue in the designated area along the stairs. Use either podium and state your name if you would like it reflected in the minutes. If you would like to provide comments for open session items via Zoom, use the raise your hand feature in Zoom and you will be called to speak by your Zoom identifier. Once called, be prepared to unmute your microphone to speak. We'll start with in-person speakers. In-person speakers with numbers zero through 10, please come to the podium, queue at the stairwell, say your name if you'd like it reflected in the minutes.

Please begin. I have a few questions. Like, why is the International Surf Museum now occupying about 600 square feet of the main room of the Main Street Library, despite the fact that the city says there's been no modification to the agreement approved at the December 16, 2025 meeting, an agreement that did not make that space available to them? And why does it appear that the City is funding the renovation of the rest of the proposed ISM space despite the fact that the approved agreement clearly states that the ISM, in association with Visit HB, will be responsible for the renovation? And since that newly occupied space increases the total space the ISM uses by over 60%, why has there been no increase in the rent that the ISM pays, especially since it was already discounted 80%, more than 80%, from market rates? And while we're on the topic of rent, why is it that the ISM is already in arrears on paying their rent? According to city records, they paid in May, but have not paid a dime in June, and we're already a week into July. Why is it that when the city is in dire financial straits, you see fit to reward your buddies at the ISM with sweetheart deals at our expense when you won't even maintain the library itself? If you doubt me, go check the condition of the reading room chairs in the Main Street Library. yet you bend over backwards to accommodate the International Surf Museum, and you still refuse to take $825,000 from the beloved Friends of the Library under the same terms and conditions that have been in place for 55 years. So explain to me why the citizens of Huntington Beach shouldn't see this as rampant cronyism, retribution against your perceived enemies, and just plain corruption, because in my view, that's exactly what it is.

Next speaker, please.

How's it going?

My name is Brian Nguyen. I represent the Huntington Beach Sports Complex. More importantly, I represent just the coaching in our community as I am a coach at the local high school in Huntington Beach. Specifically with strength conditioning, sports performance, and a lot of our youth athletes in the community. I just want to represent the bigger picture of where the world's going. especially with where our plans are with the sports complex, which is on the agenda. Nowadays, with all of us being impacted by really good coaching, as myself, my high school coach is actually a current resident of Huntington Beach as well. The day and age of NIL, and just social media and distractions. Every day I spend every hour I can coaching our athletes from eight years old to 18, 25 years old. So I'm firsthand seeing where the world's going and the need for more coaching. The sports complex represents a need, but also an opportunity for us to scale where the need is. And I just want hopefully that everyone sees the vision of what the real estate can provide and the vision of where our ownership can take the sports complex.

Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Hi, my name is Cinde Carrillo. That's my son up there, Darien Carrillo, and my husband, Dante Carrillo. We're here to support the Brightside Learning Center, who's slated to be shut down in two months by the Ocean View District. They've been serving the community of Huntington Beach for 30 years. My son has been going to that daycare since he was five months old. He absolutely adores every single person there.

He honestly spends more time with them than anybody else besides us. He spends, again, 40 hours a week at that daycare since he's been five months old. He's over two years old. He spends more time with them than grandma, than aunt, everything. So to him, all the instructors there are like his family. And so they do their very best to not only support the children and love us, but also love the parents. And they also make sure that the children are meeting their developmental milestones. I have lost count how many times my son has come home from school and he knows a new song or new sign language, all that he's being taught at that school. And as a parent, it makes me so sad to hear that he's losing one of his primary caregivers. And also as a committee member, it makes me so sad that the instructors are losing their job. Some of these people have been teaching and raising the children of Huntington Beach for over 30 years. That is almost a quarter of the time that Huntington Beach has been a city. And they are losing their jobs. And they have been doing nothing but loving and caring for the children of Huntington Beach. And now they have nowhere to go in two months. I understand that there's limited things that you guys can do, but if there is anything you can do to please help the Bright Side Learning Center, I think it would mean a lot to us and also to all the future children that could be loved by them. Thank you.

Ma'am, I misspoke when I said bright star, I meant bright side. Fill out one of those cards. I don't know what we can do, but I know the impact of the school and I've read the emails and I don't know, maybe there's something we can do. If you fill that out, we can meet and maybe bring some of the other parents. See if there's anything we can do, we'll talk to the city, I don't know.

No promises, but- Also, ma'am, I had sent an email back, I don't know if it was you or somebody else that sent an email to the council asking what their space requirements are, how many classrooms, that type of stuff, and I haven't heard back yet. If you were the person or if you know who sent that out to us. I sent that.

Okay, thank you. Next speaker, please.

Good evening, Mayor and City Council. Tim Geddes in the house. This 4th of July, being our nation's 250th, was a special one of reflection for me. Growing up in Orange County, I have spent more time residing in Huntington Beach than any other city, over half my life. I have spent over a third of my life appearing at city council meetings here and speaking in public comments. Many of you know this. I have seen many ups and downs in local government over the last quarter century, but this is the lowest. Just as our federal government has been magnified over the past few years, creating the most dangerous threat to democracy and progress in my lifetime, so too is our local government here in Huntington Beach been magnified over the past few years and has become the greatest threat to our entire community since I moved here in 1983. There is no transparency, no accountability, no ethics or honesty, no concern for cherished civic assets like our library system, no toleration for opposing views, and precious little civility from some of the majority council members since 2022. There has been cronyism and possible corruption and a waste of taxpayer funds on losing lawsuits and catering to special interests, which has caused budget deficits and threats to local control of our affairs. This has all happened in the last few years since you incumbents have been in power. This must change. Our local government must change just as you proclaimed it should in 2022. Only a new majority on the council can do this going forward. The majority surf city slate of Taryn Palumbo, Ben Davis, Erin Spivey, and Brenda Glimm will not only bring transparency, accountability, honesty, and progress to our local government, it will rescue our city's reputation, which is sunk to new depths under mega mismanagement. We can do better. Our citizenry deserves better, and in November, our city will hopefully get better. And please, when you take on Sacramento, don't poke the bear.

Happy Independence Day, Tim. Next speaker, please.

Hi, I'm Dave Chenault. I'm a finance commissioner here at the city, and I head up a sub-task committee that is studying the Huntington Beach Sports Complex. We are currently in the second of three three-year terms. The second term is going to end on 9-6-27, so we have about 14 months. At that time, the city or the HBSC partners could elect to walk away or continue, and there's another three-year period after that. Our subcommittee has three finance commissioners on it. We're studying all the different sports complexes in the area. We're talking to different cities to learn how they manage theirs. We're trying to learn what the options are for our city going forward. Based upon a couple of initial conversations we've had with other cities, We believe that there are a lot of different options available for the city that are probably more advantageous than what we've got today. We talked to Chino Hills, and you're going to hear more about that in a few minutes. So as far as the ongoing expenses with the city, I asked Director Wysocki for a copy of the expenses to run the sports complex for the last few years for the city so we could find out what HBSC partners are paying and what it's costing them. she replied that they do not have to give it to us. They only have to give us revenue statements. Based on the estimates that I have on CIPRA requests and public statements that have been made by staff, I think that we spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 million in 2025. And this is due to we pay all capital expenses out there. We pay for all utilities. We pay for cutting the grass. We pay for cleaning the toilets during the week. and also the new parking lot meters that were put out. We are putting in new LED lighting that's going to cost $2.5 million. We, the city, are spending millions of dollars a year on this complex. We've taken about $200,000 in rent, so we're upside down. Who uses the sports complex? Director Wysocki presented data in September 2025 at a meeting that we had of the commission, and at that time, 10% of the users are local. 90% are not from our city. That is on her slide deck. Take a look at it in September 2025. Because we can't get the expenses from the operators, we're requesting an audit of them. We are allowed to do that by the agreement we have. Last month, we agreed five to nothing to ask the council to do that. You'll be getting a proposal from us to have a full audit to look at their finances and their operations. The current proposal that's coming out now, it looks like that the partners would get 55 million over 20 years and the city would get 12 million and we'd pay for nearly everything. The request we have is to please pump the brakes. Do not move forward until we get a chance to finish our job. We think it'll take a few months. We wanna come back with a report and do it at a council meeting. Thank you very much.

Next speaker, please.

Hello, my name is John Boomgarden. I am a finance commissioner for Mr. Pat Burns. It's a pleasure to meet all of you.

I haven't really met too many of you, a couple of you here and there. Great job on the parade, by the way.

But back to business, we're here to, to ask you gentlemen to pump the brakes on what the H Huntington beach sports complex. We have done a lot of work. We've, we actually met with big league of dreams. Uh, they're in Chino Hills. They're doing a wonderful job there. The, uh, the city of Chino Hills is getting huge revenue for what they're doing there. Our job is finance commissioners. Gentlemen is to help the city with their finances. That's what you appointed us to do. Please listen to us and let us talk to you about what we found before you make a decision on the Huntington beach sports complex. I understand. I read that they wanted to do this new contract for 20 years. I wouldn't give that contract to anybody for 20 years. And I just wanted to let you know what our thoughts are on that. We're here to advise you, and that is all we're here to do is to advise you guys. Please listen to us, though. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

I know all of you. You know me. I refrain from inflaming this issue to the degree that it could be. The sports complex is one of the four capital assets that we have been preoccupied with on the Finance Commission since, well, going back three and a half years. This is an opportunity for us to do this right. Strategically, there's a huge opportunity for us here. It mirrors that of the Yacht Club, Meadowlark. the horsey park we have some tremendous revenue opportunity here we have the opportunity to better serve the residents of the city which is what we're all here to do not unlike what we did for the past year in looking at meadowlark thanks to pat and gracie they They endorsed a task force. We had a task force that went and visited multiple city golf courses around Southern California. And all of us, including the staff that was accompanying us, had their eyes open of what we could be doing in the specific case of that biggest asset we own, which is the Meadowlark Golf Course. So I'm only here tonight to endorse what my colleagues, Dave and John, have shared. We have established a subcommittee, which we have done on a multitude of different occasions on the Finance Commission to dig in to get the details. And it didn't matter if it were issues that we had with some of the accounting practices that we employ, systems issues that were concerned about leases and agreements that we have done. In every case, we found that you get the the details behind it. It was work to our advantage to make the right decision. And in the end, we recognize that decision rests with you. So we're here to support you and continue to advise you in any way that we can and trust that you are going to make the right decision. Thanks.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My name is Mr. Amory Hanson. I'm speaking today to reaffirm my support for the continuing fight against high-density development. Last week, Huntington Beach celebrated the semi-concentennial of America, honoring the beginning of the fight for independence. In Huntington Beach's fight against high-density development, I urge the council to be inspired by the soldiers of Valley Forge. In the words of Mr. Thomas Payne, Quote, the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph, end quote. Let's continue to fight in the hills of Orange, in the valleys of Los Angeles, and in the bridges of San Francisco. Thank you.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Russell Neil, Huntington Beach. When Nick Shirley identified fraud in state programs, what was Sacramento's response? It was to outlaw the investigation of fraud. When Huntington Beach asserted its rights under the California Constitution concerning control of its own police, its own housing development, its own municipal elections, its own library, what was Sacramento's response? It was to sue and punish our city for its temerity in standing up for its rights. Such is the way of a one-party dictatorship at war with our liberties as Americans, at war with the natural family, at war with God and all righteousness. Practically alone, this city and this council have bravely stood against this tyranny. For its trouble, this council has endured all manner of attacks, lawsuits, insults, lies, and slander, yet you have stood firm, and for this, I commend you. At the same time, you have made remarkable progress on your promises with respect to homelessness and improved business climate and controlling the budget without raising taxes. You even got the library fountains working again. I briefly mentioned the manufactured issues concerning the air show settlement, lies about the library, and baseless charges of cronyism. These are all attempts to make issues out of non-issues for political purposes. None of them amount to anything. In the upcoming election, you will be up against a slate of four Sacramento puppets, a group committed to rolling over for whatever Sacramento wants and reducing Huntington Beach to the status of a vassal. I pray that their lives find no root in the hearts of the people of Huntington Beach and that the people will once again rally to your righteous cause. Thank you and God bless you.

Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Hello, my name is Gary Kingsinger. I've been a resident of Huntington Beach for about 41 years. I'm here to bring attention to what's going on in your city right now. And what you're getting passed out right now is I have somebody that's running for city council that has been attacking me. Her and her boyfriend have been attacking me for two weeks. Roz Price is just, she's always attacking the homeless. So what happened is she came at me and we got into a little argument. She started calling the police on me and then I started getting text messages from her boyfriend that is in court order rehab right now because he was looking at three to five years in prison. He was arrested two months ago. He had about 12 different types of drugs on him. He had fentanyl, methamphetamine, acid, ecstasy. been about half a dozen more other drugs. He's got a long criminal history. So Roz ended up giving him my phone number in rehab to call and threaten me. I have had texts all week long with he's gonna kill me, he's not gonna stop till I'm dead, he's gonna get his gangbanger buddies to come and take me out. I went today, because I met with a friend of mine who's an attorney, and I told him what her mother told me, and what she tells everybody is she has nothing to worry about, because her father is a retired police captain. Well, I found out it's her ex-father-in-law, and the son would be the ex-husband that's a methamphetamine addict who lives in Central Park. So this guy's been threatening me all week long, and her mother told me yesterday that you can file papers with whoever you want. She's sitting in the audience right now. You can file papers with whoever you want, and once they find out who it is, nothing's gonna happen. And then she said, they also told us, the Huntington Beach police told me and her, that they're gonna look for you on the road, and if they find you, they're gonna pull you over and find a reason to arrest you. So this is all happening right now. He gets out of rehab I think today, and I'm supposed to die today or tomorrow, he's gonna kill me. If you look through all those things, yeah, I'm homeless. I'm homeless because I turned down China four times. I did the 2010 Mustang logo for Ford. I know Bill Ford Jr. I did all those logos for Ford, GM, and Chrysler. I went across this country for 12 years. I had 27 people try to steal my work. Four said they'd fund me, but I have to go to China. My great-grandfather was a POW twice in the Civil War. My father fought in World War II, and my grandfather fought in World War I. Ford reneged on me on a deal we had when I did that 2000 Mustang, and I says, I'll die in China before anything I make is made in China. I walked away from China four times. Yeah, I'm homeless, but I did it for God and country. Not knowing where my next meal was coming on, I walked from China, and I'm still homeless today. But what I did right now, after eight years, I had a near fatal brain injury. Eight years ago, I ruptured the top of my brain stem. It almost died. Thank you, sir. Somebody needs to talk to me, because there's a lot more you need to know. Because there's a storm heading this way, because I filed with the DOJ this morning because of what happened. They're watching this case, okay? Thank you, sir. Next speaker, please.

Hi, my name is Ellen Riley. I usually speak about the housing element, and finally it has been approved, so I hope we're moving forward because there are so many people in the age of 40, children of people who live in Huntington Beach, who would also like to be able to afford a home, and they absolutely cannot do that. But with the housing element, it might be helpful to them. Otherwise, I want to speak about oil and oil drilling. And I want to beg you not to begin oil drilling off the coast because a certain federal office, official has recommended that we open up our oil wells and start drilling off the coast, which we did years ago. And they're already starting that up in Santa Barbara with the same company that created the spill in Huntington Beach on our beach. And it costs $4 million to clean it up. And so it's been recommended, as I said, by a federal official. And I hope that the city council and the city government will decide That is not something we need here. As I said, it costs $4 million. It destroyed our beach. Much wildlife was completely killed. And this was about 10 years ago that the same company known as Sable Oil, they're now back in Santa Barbara opening up pipelines there. Please do not grant them permission to open up oil pipelines here because of the previous serious, terrible consequences that affected our city. Thank you.

Thank you, next speaker please.

There you go, good job, good job.

Hi there, I'm Chris Waring, I'm back. I've been waiting to get a response from somebody, but I'm reminded of a song by Perry Como, It's Impossible. And I don't know, there was a lady, I guess she's in charge with making appointments for you guys. And she was here and she went back to cut off a person there. And I don't know if she saw him or whatever, but I was waiting and she never returned. So it was kind of like here today, gone to Maui or something, you know? So I'm just kind of at a loss and I'm just looking to get a meeting with a couple of people I indicated last time I was here. And, you know, and the stuff that I got here, I'm reminded of another song, Marvin Gaye, what's going on? I don't get it. Anyway, the reason I'm here for this one, and I'll just give an overview, because I'm not gonna spill all the beans here, is that I've lived in Surf City Beach Cottage, formerly the Pacific Ocean Trader Park. And as of September this first, which isn't even a year, my rent will be paid for the space, 1,200 feet, by my entire retirement. That's really bitching for me. That's really, really bitching. So anyway, I need to talk to some people and see if you can do something about it, because the owner of this park, he doesn't give a rat's tail. And there's other seniors in my position, too. I guess I'm the spokesperson. So hopefully I will get this meeting and be able to talk with people that maybe can see the light and help me do something about the situation, because it's a bad situation. I can't move my trailer, it'll fall apart. It's built back in the 60s. My parents came down there, lived it in the 60s. They're long gone, but I'm here still. So anything you guys can do, and I'll feed you the information, I sure would appreciate, but I gotta get an appointment. Please, somebody step up. Thank you.

I'll be calling the next set of speakers, but before that, If you are here to provide comments for the open session item via Zoom, please use the raise your hand feature in Zoom and you'll be called to speak by your Zoom identifier. Once called, be prepared to unmute your microphone to speak. Can we please have the next in-person speakers, numbers 11 through 21. Please come to the podium and queue alongside the stairwell. Thank you.

Go ahead.

Wow, I didn't expect that tonight. I just want to clear up a few things about myself. I've been in the city of Huntington Beach for 48 years. I do a lot of outreach with homeless, vets, drug addicts, alcoholics that live homeless on the streets of Huntington Beach. Gary, who just came up here, is not mentally stable. He is erratic and you can't speak to him. He's lived across the street from my house in the park for several years. His aggression and his mental stability has gotten worse and worse. So for the last two weeks, He's been approaching my mother and I, telling us about his China adventure and how that didn't go through for him. And then at one point, I just told him, Gary, I don't want to hear this stuff. This has nothing to do with me. And since then, he told me, you better watch out. You're going to find out. I'm going to tell stuff. I'm going to make up stuff. I'm going to do whatever I can to destroy your reputation, which that's what he's doing. And that's the kind of stuff that happens. And I do want to point on this, my ex-father-in-law and my ex-uncle-in-law, Barry Price, was the police captain of Huntington Beach Police Department. And my ex-father-in-law was the captain of Compton PD. And I don't even know how he gathered that information. As far as the other gentleman that he's speaking of, this is somebody who I actually helped that was homeless on the streets get into a drug rehabilitation program called The Lighthouse in Anaheim. I've done this for several people. And that's just part of who I am serving the community. But I definitely learned my lesson today that I really have to put my guard up when I go out there because people that have mental health issues can come back at you like this. So I just wanted to clear that up. I was gonna spend my time talking about the, new advertising that you guys are going to do on the peer steps. And I just wanted to make sure that we were going to be diligent in whatever we put on there, but my time is now being spent on talking about what's happening with Gary. My mother nor I nor anybody have threatened him. I had to call the police five times in the last week regarding him showing up in front of my house, causing scenes in front of my house, and approaching my 70 year old mother as she was walking in the park with our family dogs and threatened to assault her the other day. So I just want to get in front of this and let everybody know here, including the residents, that I am not that person. Feel free to reach out to me. Anybody who knows me knows that I spend the majority of my time working, serving the community. spending my time in church and enjoying the beautiful city of Huntington Beach that we live in. So if anybody has any questions or wants to reach out to me, that would be awesome. But again, all these were character defamation and they were definitely not true by any means. So thank you.

Thank you, next speaker please.

Yeah, Brett Bush, resident for approximately 35 years, Huntington Beach. have the honor of being the Planning Commission Chair this year. Just wanted to say it was great to see all of you guys on your different rides through the parade. And I just wanted to thank, considering what happened next door to us in Newport, planning does, you know, they couldn't have prepared for that. There's no way. There's no way in the world. But I am very thankful that we learned from our lessons in the past. And I just have to say that Chief Parra, Chief McCoy, what a great job they did along with everybody involved, but just very thankful. You know, I don't want to even say we dodged a bullet. We prepared for a bullet. So that being said, I'm here to talk about the complex. You know, I happen to have been a football ref for 31 years in high school, and I ran the flag football, Matt Leinart flag over at Edison High School for five years as a commissioner. And aside from the financial issues that we talked about today, you know, my experience in having coached Even Butch's son in baseball, you know, is turf safer than grass? It's complicated. But, you know, there's upwards, depending on what research you go to, it's somewhere between 20 and 28% greater risk of non-contact injuries for these artificial surfaces. So aside from the financial end, you know, that's not my game. Mine is for the children. As you know, I'm always going to be for the kids. And even in the NFL, if you know, half of the stadiums don't want to play on artificial turf. If you know further that the World Cup, none of those teams are playing on turf. And it's all because of the related injuries. Those are physical injuries. Now, as far as the heat goes, having been on the artificial turf, I remember when, you know, doing my first turf experience in the afternoon up at La Mirada High School. Unfortunately, they thought it would be a good idea to water the turf first. And exactly what it became is like a terrarium sauna effect. Aside from that, the estimates, depending on what study you go to, the heat generated from the sun on the turf is upwards of 70 to 86 degrees hotter than natural grass. So along with the financial consideration, the physical toll it takes, and then the dehydration, it just seems to me if we're gonna think about the kids, I would propose, put that at the forefront. I understand the financial commitment is a deficit too. I just hate to see this be an albatross on our necks going into the future and I don't wanna do it on the back of the kids. So with that, God bless you guys and great job.

Thank you. Next speaker, please. Hello, hi, my name is Reginald Peterson. I've lived here in Huntington Beach for four years now, and I'm proud to call myself, you know, a resident in this home of the area. And today I'm here basically as a, you know, a concerned resident, but same time a concerned parent. because the fact that I've been blessed. I'm an empty nester now. The kids are gone. I work from home, so I spend a lot of time outside. Me and my wife love riding e-bikes. So same time, I think that the whole e-bike thing, it's kind of gotten out of control over the last several years. And I think we need to have stricter regulation when it comes down to kids riding e-bikes and stuff, because I see it all the time in my area. I got the wheelie boys. I got the girls riding by on the bikes with two, three people on there. And I say I'm here as a concerned parent because of the fact that I look and watch these kids, and I know it's just a matter of time before something bad happens. I mean, we wouldn't give our kids the keys to our car and say go without training. But yet and still, I'm seeing 10-year-old kids, 12-year-old kids out there riding on the city streets. I mean, it's insane. Not to mention the sidewalks are unsafe now. Heaven forbid you got your headphones in, you're walking. I've trained myself now to look to the right before I step to the side because there have been plenty of times where if I wouldn't have looked, I would have been plowed over. So, I mean, I think that these things need to be looked at. I know you guys have the power to. And I'm here as a concerned resident because, again, I could say, like, you know, It's not my kid, doesn't matter. But just a parent in me really makes me cringe when I see this stuff going on. I can't believe we're allowed to happen. So I do think we should enforce the laws with bikes riding on the sidewalk. I think that kids on e-bikes, there should be an age limit. They should go and have permits. They should go to a class. like we would a driver's license to learn to respect the rules of the road. And last but not least, again, me and my wife, we love riding our e-bikes. We hit the boardwalk, we go down to be it Salty's, be it if it's to a HB house, we're all over the place with those things. But I do feel like we should start, we should put taxes on Based on the e-bikes, we should basically require e-bikes to be registered and to have a license, like a motorcycle pretty much, or some type of license with it, because they are using the city roads and streets just like cars do. And at the same time, it will be good tax revenue for the city here. And not to mention, I think it will help make it a safer environment for the kids out there that we're just giving keys to these things and letting them go loose. And that's pretty much what I got to say. So thanks for taking time to listen to me. And I hope, you know, me coming out and talking, somebody will, again, try and make some rules, do some enforcement stuff to help save some lives, protect some people, and just make this city continue going on being great. That's it.

Sir, can you please fill out a blue card? And we'd like to meet with you, I guess, Butch, maybe Casey and myself, and just I'll explain some of the programs and what we're doing, but I agree it's a very big problem. I've been traveling out to Sacramento and even the legislators out there. This is one of the top issues, not just in Huntington Beach. I thought it was a coastal issue, but it's not. It's actually a whole state issue. So if you fill out a blue card, we'd be happy to sit down and talk to you.

Sounds like I appreciate it. And what you said also, I'd like to say, I know it's an issue with a lot of the state, but we could be the trendsetter and say in Huntington Beach, we don't get down like that and really start being a trendsetter instead of a follower and stuff.

Awesome. Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Hello everybody. My name's Ian. I'm the owner of SFD studio and I'm a local resident and business owner. I really come here to share my appreciation for the city and gratitude. Um, I'm a proud resident. I'm a proud business owner. And the two things I really wanted to talk about here is first the resources that the city offers. I recently went through the SBDC program that the city offered and it's remarkable the amount of resources that you can put local business owners in connection with. I'm super appreciative of that. As well as through the marketing company, I'm able to work on the lifeguard towers on my local beach. That's something that a combination of resources and opportunity really means a lot to somebody like myself. So I wanted to take this forum to really say thank you. The second part to this is as a resident, I noticed the improvements that you made leading up to the 4th of July, and it's the 250th anniversary, and between the pier lights, repainting the bathrooms, cleaning the bathrooms, painting the lines down Main Street, it was just noticed, and I wanted to take the time to say thank you.

Awesome, man. Thank you. Next speaker, please.

Hello everyone, Chris Clewey, candidate for 8072 Huntington Beach resident for the past 16 years or so. I just wanted to give you an update of the DPOC July 4th parade. I was fortunate enough to be able to march with the DPOC, Democratic Party of Orange County, float entry. Big thanks to Fleurice Hoffman as well as Jeffrey Cardenas for setting that up, Pat Goodman for giving us the use of her house to decorate the float. And then all the volunteers and everyone that came out to help carry the banner in front. The Jim Fisk Jazz Tet that played an awesome selection of music that covered our nation's history. I think from like, it was like the 1920s all the way up through the current day of jazz music. And yeah, no, it was a really fun experience. I am proud to tell you that the cheers for us outweighed the boos, but it was also kind of troubling to see the fact that there were boos in something that was supposed to be a celebration of our nation's history. And I just, I don't know how much of that is driven by this city council. I don't know how much of it is driven by someone like Pat Burns calling us socialists and communists and saying that we're the enemy when we're all on the same team. We're all Americans. We're all here working for each other. we're trying to make our lives better and yeah we can disagree like we we can be mad at each other but at the end of the day we're all Americans like we're on the same team and when I when I was walking down the road with everyone else and I saw these people just yelling at us the thing that really stuck with me was the fact that they weren't chanting anything to do with the country they were chanting an individual name. They just kept saying Trump, Trump, Trump, as if that was the most important thing on our nation's birthday, that that was the only thing that mattered to them. And so I'm just asking you as council members, please represent everyone in this city, represent everyone, even the people that didn't vote for you, Even the people that don't agree with you, even the people that see you muttering to each other as I'm talking, that don't care about what I'm saying, because that's the problem where we're at. You really don't care. I just gotta say one more thing. Chad, we're never gonna agree on a lot of stuff. I really appreciate that you stood up for trying to keep hard liquor from being sold at the Bikini Bar. Are we serious right now? That was within sight of a school. And the fact that that's your line in the sand, I appreciate that. That is something that we do agree on, because we do need to have a line in the sand. And I don't think most of you on there have that. And Chad, I think you do have that. I would just like us, as Huntington Beach residents, to be Huntington Beach residents. Thank you.

Next speaker, please. Thank you, Mr. Cluey. I want you to know that we had our fair share of boos, but I would never, ever accuse you of organizing that. But thank you for your comments. Next speaker, please.

Good evening. Chris Reaney, Huntington Beach native. So in opening remarks tonight, I heard when you vote, vote American, and also freedom isn't free. Well, of course, freedom isn't free. You pay for it by voting. And why not make your vote count? So on June 24th, Judge Craig Griffin, a judge appointed by a Republican governor, voted that Huntington Beach elections run afoul of the California Voting Rights Act and delivered a verdict to switch to ranked choice voting. I implore you to accept this ruling. Judge Griffin respected our charter city status and made accommodation for it. He specified ranked choice voting over district elections so as to quote, do as little violence as possible to the electoral system of Huntington Beach. The infrastructure moved to ranked choice voting is already in place. It uses RCTAB, an open source software that we already use. The change requires certification, that's routine. Moving to ranked choice voting would also address concerns about voter fraud, because instead of it being winner take all, you get the top seven out of all candidates. In the case of Huntington Beach, you'd only have to get 12.5% of the vote to get a city council seat. That makes it easier for incumbents to hold onto their positions. By comparison, district voting is rough on incumbents. District voting also means we'd be fighting over districts every 10 years with the accompanying gerrymandering and gnashing of teeth. Ranked choice voting would simplify elections. Instead of voting for four candidates and then two years later voting for three, then two years later voting for another four, we would vote for a slate of seven every four years. Less mess and what could be more patriotic and fitting on our bicentennial than fair competitive elections across the board. Our votes matter, they should count, we should go to rank choice.

Thank you. Next speaker please.

There is a movement that has swept across America. We must end this movement to keep America, America. Vote no on fascism this November. With respect to housing, the bipartisan housing legislation made up of the 21st Century Road to Housing Act and the Housing for the 21st Century Act shows that there is a need for more housing. In 1965, when Huntington Beach grew rapidly, the houses could be afforded by young couples. Today, multi-level housing is the only option for young couples. Huntington Beach needs a range of housing options, and the Huntington Beach needs more multi-level units. For the Terry Park action, please consider allowing multi-level housing. Thank you.

It is so nice to meet you all. I'm Lisa Valdez. I'm a 71 year old grandma, but I had raised a four year old girl. So I've had her since Christmas day, 2021, just six weeks. I'm here to talk about the bright star. I was so glad to hear you mentioned this because it's so important. I would like to shed something that I observed about the school, my age, I was 27 and adopted her father who had cerebral palsy. I owned my own home, had a great job. This was, I was sold my home after my father and mother died and moved here to help with my brother-in-law who was on hospice and served in the Ocean View School District for 30 years. Luckily he lived long enough for me to be here when Alina was placed in my arms. So I have to stay here. She has health concerns and is currently going through genetic testing, but here's, my background because this is why I think what I have to say may shed some light on the whole atmosphere that I observed at Bright Star. For four years, there was immense advocating with attorneys. I'm licensed in LA and Orange County, many, many classes and much education. It's wonderful what they have today to offer us. I work with grandparents who have been in a position to raise these guardians and work with nonprofit organizations to make awareness of what's available to us grandparents when we're put in this spot. I've used every dime I have to keep this little girl in a safe place and achieve guardianship and now adoption coming up. When I walked into Bright Star after four years struggle of the advocating involved in trying to find her her services, a school that would fit her needs. She wasn't talking. She had speech. She's had early intervention since she was six months old. She's a bright little girl. She was placed there on May 5th, Cinco de Mayo, last year. She wasn't being able to communicate real well. Her speech was, she was able to communicate, but not real well. You can't keep her quiet now. The minute she started that school, she was talking. And one of the things I noticed about Bride Star, I'm going to just make this short because I can get long-winded, is when I walk in there, you don't just see the staff. It's like a family. They present to you like they're one person in all. They have the same agenda. They're parent education. They're there to help you with whatever comes your way to place that child in a better situation. They had the ABA, which is a behavior for autism right there next to the 10 doors down. For four years, I'm traveling to Irvine and Mission Viejo and all these other places to get the different services. She was in the car three hours a day. Please, thank you very much.

Thank you, ma'am. Fill out one of those blue cards as well. I'm going to try and get together with as many parents that speak here tonight. I'm going to go back through the emails. I'm going to try and get a collective group together as quickly as possible. I know we're under a deadline here. And see if there's anything we can do. There's no promises. All right, is that it?

That concludes our public speaking.

Thank you. Council Committee Appointment Announcements. Council Members, do you have any Council Committee Appointment Announcements?

I have an appointment appointing Roslyn Price to Community Library Service Commission. Okay.

I'd like to announce also I'm appointing Jeannie Paris to Community and Library Services Commission.

All right. AB 1234 reporting, does anyone have anything to report?

I spoke to the POA.

That's 1234. Openness and negotiation disclosures, Vandermark just said that, anyone else?

I met with the fire president today.

Spoke with POA. POA, excuse me, spoke with POA.

All right. City Manager's report. City Manager, please introduce the study session.

Thank you. Thank you, Mayor and City Council. We have a study session tonight on proposed improvements to the Huntington Beach Sports Complex, and I will turn it over to Huntington Beach Sports Complex, as well as Ashley Wysocki.

Good evening, Mayor, members of the City Council. This evening, we are here to conduct a study session and obtain feedback and direction from City Council on an opportunity to enhance the sports complex capital. Joining me this evening is Jerry Marchbank and Matt Olmsted with HBSC Partners, LLC. In 2004, a 45-acre complex was opened to the community. It includes eight baseball softball fields that are lighted, artificial turf fields, space for batting cages as we know are currently closed, team rooms, and office buildings. Prior to 2021, when the sports complex operators took over, historically based on budgeting, the facility was operated at about 30% to 35% facility usage. In 2018-19, the sports complex generated a net revenue of $17,237. And under that model, there were multiple operators providing landscape, concession operations, field maintenance, building maintenance, events and community programming. These were all provided by different operators. And we also at the time and still have aging infrastructure and deferred maintenance for about the last 15 years. So in September of 2021, City Council unanimously approved the operational and management agreement between the City of Huntington Beach and HBSC Partners LLC for facility management and operation services at the Huntington Beach Sports Complex. And at this time, I would like to turn it over to Jerry Marchbank to continue the presentation.

Thank you, Director Wysocki, and good evening, Council. First and foremost, Jerry Marchbank with HBSC Partners, LLC, I think Ashley introduced us, and Matt Olmstead, also one of the partners at Sports Complex. First and foremost, I think we'd like to thank you all for, express how much we appreciate the partnership we've had with the city over the years in really trying to activate the Sports Complex, serving more people than ever before. creating a better resource for our community. And I think we wanted to start this evening by highlighting a few of those a few of those accomplishments. So you'll see here parking revenue since 2021 parking revenue for the city has increased at the sports complex has increased seven times. The usage has gone from 35% to 95% usage at the complex. And that includes broadening the offerings to include things like flag football, lacrosse, volleyball, more soccer, amongst other things. So really trying to broaden the uses of the complex over that time. We have invested significantly, about $650,000 of our own capital in improving the facility, really trying to improve the user experience. Those are things like enclosing the dugouts. which were open previously. It's adding a turf field, a turf utility field, which we'll talk a little bit more about later, and some changes to fencing. And more recently, we have launched a community outreach program, and I know some of you have attended those events at Oak View Elementary and some other places, but it's really allowed us to provide access to some of the local youth who may not otherwise have the means. So that's something we're pretty proud of, something we've been doing since about November of last year. Really, as your manager, though, we do need to be mindful of the ongoing and some of the future challenges at the park. And I think we point those out here on this slide. First of all, the landscape maintenance contract, which is currently another landscape company that has that contract. Is set to expire and and when that expires it's likely to increase two or three times I think Public Works current projections are a two to three times increase in landscape maintenance costs. There's LED lighting upgrades, and I know this city has completed two, has authorized the third of five phases of LED lighting upgrades, but that leaves two remaining phases of LED lighting upgrades, and the value of that's about $1.1 million. The park consumes quite a bit of water, as you might imagine. There's a lot of grass out there and consumes about 17 million gallons of water per year. There's an increasing deferred maintenance log, repair log. And a lot of this is, I think we're seeing weekly requests to public works or public works coming out replacing failed irrigation pumps. irrigation lines that rupture. I mean, it's a 20 year old facility and the irrigation system is failing. And I think it's at least weekly, if not multiple times a week, that Public Works is having to come out and complete some of these repairs. They have currently done an assessment, Public Works has currently done an assessment, I think rough order of magnitude assessment, and it's about $5.2 million in irrigation infrastructure upgrades that are required will be required over time. The batting cage closure, we're all familiar with that. The batting cage has been closed due to safety concerns since really summer of 2024. and it remains closed, and limitations on field use. So we have, the fields currently are sport-specific, so if field eight is set up for softball, it can only be used that day for softball. We can't use it for soccer in the afternoon and then adult softball that evening. Soccer can't play on the dirt. With a potential solution of turf, you would have more flexible options. You could be flag football from three to five. It could be soccer practice from five to seven, and then the adult softball in the evenings. So I think really trying to maximize flexibility, which I think you'll see as a theme of this presentation. So our challenge is how do we address all of these issues and build sort of the next evolution of the sports complex? And we'll go, we'll take this piece by piece moving forward, but we see really a few opportunities here that we'll talk about. The first of which is constructing a new, this is the batting cage replacement, if you will, would be in the footprint of the old batting cages, but the Rise Training Center. And the highlights of that are really these four points. What we would envision, these are our goals for that project. First of all, we have so many great, I think we heard earlier, so many great young athletes here in HB. We see a lot of these athletes traveling to other cities, a lot of them going and spending their off season out of state to go train. We see an opportunity to build them a home right here for the great athletes we have right here in our community. That's point one. Point two, we want to replace the outdated batting cages and with something that's a little more flexible and a little more modern. Iron mic, the iron mic pitching machines that were existing, you know, were invented in 1952. And while I can certainly appreciate standing the test of time, there are certainly more contemporary options available. Point number three there, our third goal is to activate the facility in the morning and midday. And that, we see that through things like perhaps mommy and me boot camps or adult boot camps, senior mobility classes engaging the senior center that's directly across the street, nutrition courses, those types of things, trying to really activate the facility so we just don't have the three to nine o'clock you know, usage of the facility, after school usage of the facility during the weekdays. So, and that creates really a broader wellness hub we feel for the community, not just a place to go practice playing your sport. And then the last thing there is to create an opportunity for sponsorship or light retail engagement. Now this isn't gonna be a sporting goods store, but we certainly see an opportunity to have some hydration and some nutrition. Maybe it's batting gloves, recovery equipment, a rotating bat display, those kinds of things. So some light retail in the facility. So we take a look at the concept of what it could look like. This is the training center floor plan. So you would enter, you can see there towards the bottom of the floor plan, it looks like a reception desk. That would be, you know, that area is the entrance, the main entrance, that would be the main entrance to the facility and that would be where we would have the check-in desk and we could have some light retail. Off to the left, you see the training element. So this would be, you know, fitness equipment to run training classes out of to provide athletes with an ability, you know, a place to go train before practice, after practice, those kinds of things. And then off to the right, you see batting cages. And those are four lanes, and they would be multi-use. So really trying to maximize the flexibility. By multi-use, I mean they'll be equipped with pitching machines, that can throw 40 miles an hour, could throw 80 miles an hour, could throw curve balls, You know, so it's all configurable. So you could have, you know, lane one could be throwing 40 miles an hour to a youth team. And lane two could be a pitching coach who's not using the machine at all working on pitching lessons with his students. Lane three could be used for a slow pitch softball player who's coming in early to get some swings before the game. So it's all configurable. All four lanes could be configured for any type of use. as opposed to the old style, which is one lane could throw 40, one lane could throw 50, one lane could throw 60, and you had to pick a lane. If your speed was taken, you would wait in line until it was up. So a little more flexible, a little more customizable to the user. Some more renderings here. You can see a rendering of the inside, what that could look like. We also have You'll see in the bottom left there where it says Alico. Alico is widely regarded as kind of the gold standard in fitness equipment. They're the official Olympic equipment provider. And while they've expressed some interest, you know, we're just showing this, I think, this rendering to show that there's a potential naming opportunity, sponsorship naming opportunity. Not saying per se that it would be Alico, but I think there's a real opportunity for a major brand to want to be part of this. The next concept we wanted to present to you this evening was the idea of converting natural grass to sports turf. And it really has four, there's four, benefits to it that are shown on this slide and that is of course point one less downtime means more usable field space it's less downtime due to rain it's less downtime due to maintenance it's more flexible as I mentioned earlier more flexible to different types of uses so and you'll see more of that in the next slide but any sport could use any field surface it doesn't that's it's not that's a baseball field, that's a soccer field anymore. All fields could be used really for any purpose, just depending on how you stripe it. We think it creates a stronger venue profile, so flexibility and reliability makes us preferred for events. Matt Leinart Football, who is at Edison, they're at Edison because Edison has artificial turf. They want to play on artificial turf because it's more predictable. They know when it rains, they're still going to be able to play their games the next day. They're not going to be rained out for weeks. So I think it creates a stronger venue profile for events, event operators. They want that reliability and that predictability when they're building their event schedules. And there is a direct reduction in city costs. So the water usage, the irrigation repairs that I mentioned, the field maintenance contract, which will increase, all of that goes away with turf. I mentioned the field, the one field that we converted, and you can see a picture of that here. This was really done as a proof of concept, and it went from our least used field to our most used field. It's the most requested field at the sports complex. You can see there the revenue multiple is over four times. So it's over four times the revenue that it was pre-turf. The water savings, the multipurpose element of it. And you can see in the picture where it's perhaps baseball, the carpet looks like baseball, but you can see the lines painted over the top for soccer. So again, we have a robot that if you want a soccer field painted, it's a robot goes out and paints a soccer field. So it can be used multiple purposes. You can imagine if that dirt, that brown artificial turf was dirt, you couldn't do that, right? You would have dirt on your soccer field. They wouldn't want to do that. So I think it's a good picture of really kind of illustrates the point of multipurpose fields. And then low maintenance. So, you know, eliminating, you know, fertilizers, pesticides eliminate, they're not no maintenance, but they're lower maintenance than natural grass. LED lighting, and I won't spend a whole lot of time here. I know that you all see the value in LED lighting, which is why you've authorized three phases so far of LED lighting retrofits. I mean, it's a tremendous energy saver, lower maintenance cost. Honestly, the lighting is significantly better. I don't know if you drive by the sports complex and have seen the new lighting, the LED lighting versus the old halogen lighting, significantly better. You all have been phasing this work over the last few years and we certainly feel and would concur that we should finish this project and finish this work as soon as possible for all of the reasons that I mentioned. So how do we get there We've spent a fair amount of time working with city staff, trying to build a financial model that can accomplish all of this. And here are some of the key terms that we've landed on in order to really make this work. Management agreement term of 20 years. So that's one of the variables. These are really the variables that we can control to make this happen. A city revenue share at 15%. So the city's current revenue share is 16%. So a modest decrease in fixed 15% city revenue share. These are the variables that we're putting into our current model. An event rental rate increase from, now this is not to include practices and community use rental rate increases. Those would stay the same. But for events, the event operators that come in, we would recommend an increase from $495 per field per day to $595. Now we think that reflects sort of the premium nature of the venue. It also still puts us very competitively in the market with other sports complexes. We're in the lower third, I think, still, not even in the top third. A parking revenue contribution of a portion of the city's parking revenue we would need to go towards to be directed towards funding uh this project so you could see there it's it's a portion it's a tiered scale so it scales down over time but you can see there what the what the parking revenue contribution now this is the parking revenue that's generated at the sports complex so the parking revenue that's generated at the sports complex be redirected into sports complex improvements um but that that is one of the variables that we're modeling and then the last thing is the operations and maintenance expenses now we realize this wouldn't make sense to you all if it was just something else you had to maintain so we would want to ensure that a financial performer would include the cost for doing any of the repairs would include a turf replacement when the end of life cycle happens around year 10 or 12 would include all of the maintenance and expenses capital improvement expenses for the Rise Academy. So we don't want to go in and just look at first cost, what's it going to take to make this happen? It's what's it going to take to make this great for 20 years? What's the bottom line for the city? The bottom line for the city, you could see the improvements there at the top, really the Rise Training Center, the sports turf, and the LED lighting retrofit total up to about $18.2 million in improvements. You can see broken down the first cost and then what I'll call the capital allowances for each of them will be as we move forward. That's at the top of the screen there. The bottom of the screen is really what the current versus the projected annual budget impact for the city. And I'll spend a little more time on the right. You see the current on the left there. But you can see the revenue we are projecting the revenue to increase under the new model by about a million two per year. And that's largely due to the RISE training facility and the addition of the training facility. Turf will generate some new revenue. It's not going to be Forex, but it will generate some new revenue. But RISE has some real revenue potential. So you'll see that model. So although the percentage is decreased, the revenue has increased. The city's parking revenue currently is about 726. We project that to go to a million dollars. We feel that's pretty conservative, probably better than that. We feel a million dollars is pretty conservative. But with that, A portion, you know, with the portion that's being directed to the improvements, you'll see the city's impact is really the city would get about 275. We're projecting about 275,000 a year in parking revenue to the city after paying for the improvements, the portion towards the improvements. Water savings, you can see, is about 80,000. Landscape maintenance savings, we're projecting that at about 385,000. So you could see overall, if you look and I'll jump to the bottom line, you see some of the city's costs there, which won't change electricity, methane monitoring, those things are still there. A significant savings because you lose all of the capital improvement costs. So you go on the left side from needing to fund LED lighting conversions over time. I just annualized it over the 20 years. batting cage replacement, deferred maintenance, irrigation repairs, all of those things come off the city's books in terms of capital improvements that need to be funded. So you'll see the annualized net income on the proposed is significantly higher, not because the revenue is higher, but because the revenue less expenses is great. The expenses also help us, offsetting the expenses is a significant savings. the revenue will be relatively flat. So with that, I think this is just the conclusion slide. I think this was, again, we appreciate the opportunity that we've had thus far to really change the sports complex. We look forward to the opportunity to work with you all, uh, seek your direction on what you see for the next, uh, evolution of the, of the park. Uh, we think it could be all of these things. We think that our, our proposal accomplishes all of these things, and we certainly look forward to your feedback.

Thank you, guys. Questions? Yeah. Well, first off, thanks for coming out. Thanks for sharing the plan with us. I appreciate the fact that you guys have been involved. You guys are family men as well, right? You live here in Huntington Beach. You started out as the operators, now the vision's grown. So I just have a few questions, but I did want to let you know that based on what I've seen in the meetings we've had, I love the idea. I'm not sure if just at a high level if the finance commissioners in the commercial real estate space if I owned a piece of property and I had a new tenant or an existing tenant come to me and say I want to put what 15 million roughly 10 to 15 million dollars into your building Mr. Kennedy and it's not fee simple it's going to be what we call a long-term ground lease so in other words when when the term is over Mr. Kennedy all the improvements revert to you What do you think? And the first thing I'd say is, and I'm asking you guys, do you have a funding commitment? Okay. So taking that as a given, I would say, so let me get this straight. Mr. Approacher, you want to improve my property at your expense. You're going to put 10, 12, 15 million. You want to pay me revenue on an annualized basis. When it's all said and done and you've been a good steward of my property, all the improvements will revert to you, Mr. Kennedy, because this is a long term ground lease. This is not a fee simple purchase. When I hear that, I think to myself, I've been doing this now for two years. I haven't seen one operator come to me or come to the dice and say, I want to put 10 to $15 million into a city-owned asset. And yeah, we want to make a profit, but we also want to improve it for the community. We want to improve it for the city. We want to reduce costs, the water, the maintenance, the operational costs. These are city responsibilities currently, so we're going to negate all those for you. And we're going to do all these different types of things. So I've gone through the PowerPoint with you, Jerry. The revised one I left at home, I've got the one from our meeting. I had a bunch of notes on the other one, but just conceptually, we can get into the details. I'm sure there's plenty of questions, but with a funding commitment, The fact that, and by the way, let me back up. Somebody said that they were going to put that kind of money into a commercial property, let's say if I owned it. I would expect them to ask for 20 years. As a matter of fact, I have a commercial property that I did a long term ground lease with a Del Taco corporate and They wanted a 20 year deal. They put all the money into the improvements. We also gave them four or five year options as well because we felt like they're a good tenant. They've improved the property. The rent comes in on time. It's a no brainer. And when it's all said and done, we're gonna say thanks for the relationship. And if they walk away at 20 years, 25, 30, 35, 40, we'll rent it to somebody else. So when you ask for a 20 year term, I would expect nothing less when you're putting that kind of capital into a project. So to me, maybe it's just because I'm a little bit more familiar with the space, that seems like it's a minimum you would want to ask for. So 20 years, matter of fact, I said, you know, we should also be contemplating you know, some additional five-year options with, you know, unreasonably withheld. In other words, we can't just say, you guys want to exercise that we don't want you. You know, we would have to have cause. But, you know, with mutual agreement, these options, because if you're doing a fantastic job, why wouldn't we want you to continue operating that facility? So to recap, and I'm sure I'll jump back in, the vision's amazing in my opinion. I've played on that sports complex. I've been married 32 years. I was playing softball there before I was ever married. It's a lot of fun. Fields aren't great, but who's gonna complain when it's all you have? So I've been to that field for a long time. When you do this, as a matter of fact, on the turf, I know there was some push for a little while. You guys have done a lot of research with a fast pitch. I know one of your bigger event providers, he even said, you know what, I've done my own research, and with all the universities and a lot of the girls' fast pitch, The parents are into it. They're actually, they want the turf. You reduce those bad hops to the chin, everything else, and the liabilities there. So with all that said, I love the vision that the Rise Center, you know, for elite athletes and for the just The teams will want to come in for batting practice with those multi-speed batting cages. You know, there was some talk recently, like, let's get the batting cages built. And I said, we've got a bigger plan coming. Let's take a look at the bigger plan. Of course we want the batting cages. I used to hit at those batting cages. Having these new type batting cages in an enclosed facility that you guys paid for with your own money, in addition to all those things you're offering to high-level athletes and then just good old-fashioned recreational players, so breath for everything because you know a lot of the elite athletes now they they they go online schooling you know homeschooling and if they could accomplish their their homeschooling why they chase that dream and there's plenty of great athletes here in Huntington Beach and in the surrounding areas we seem getting signed all the time right out of the oiler camp and all the other high schools you know to have a place where you could go there's an academic component to that At least there was at one point. Is there going to be that part still in there?

Yeah. I mean, our vision is to have the academic element as well.

Okay. That was something you guys had talked about. But either way, having the ability to homeschool and then have a place to train and work out, you know, in clothes like that to me is another benefit. And then again, for every little league team that wants to come in. The other thing that we talked about on the parking, one thing that I recommended when we met with you, Matt, Butch, and I was, you know, hey, if you have a parking pass right now, you know, a city parking pass, you should be able to park there for free. You said consider it done. So I've seen you guys want to work with the city, with the residents, and I think it's pretty gracious that you're willing to, you know, come before us, bring a vision, backed by real capital commitments. And so I just wanted to kind of just kind of recap what I see as the benefits, the savings, the multi-field activations, the usage for so much other things. And so I'll let other people ask questions, but I'm really happy this is finally coming before us. I've been waiting for this for a long time as somebody who loves sports. Couldn't see a better idea coming into the sports complex than something that's turfed out well-run Appeals to so many sports and other activities. Well the mommy and me and all that type of stuff I think is a huge benefit for the city. So I'm anxious to hear what anybody has to say But if people are lining up to throw 15 million in a city-owned asset, you know, god bless them. Thank you guys. I

Councilman Kenney, just a quick question. Are you familiar with how much money they're asking for from us to finance this? How many millions? I just wasn't sure if you were familiar with it or not. It seems like you might be under the impression that they're picking up the lion's share of this.

No, I'm only talking about what I know they're bringing to the table. You can go ahead and ask those questions.

I'm not ready to ask those questions just yet. I think I've got some slides I'll pull up in a little bit here, but I just wanted to see if you're familiar with it.

Yeah, go ahead. You guys inherited kind of a mess with the Baden cages. They weren't very functional when you guys inherited. How long did you guys have them operating?

We kept them going for a little over a year.

How much were we bringing in income-wise off those at that time when they were open?

About $8,000 a month.

Okay. About 96 a year.

Around 100 a year.

Yeah, a year. Let's round it. Okay. So roughly we've lost about 200 in the last two years because they've been roughly closed for 200. That's correct. How much do you guys anticipate bringing in on this? I mean, is that in there?

Yeah.

Because those things, I mean, it kind of, you know, I've talked to you guys about it bums me out that they're not there and how they were left.

Right. So RISE and again.

And we were the previous operators, weren't we? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We left them a mess.

That's awesome. Ashley, wasn't it the city that asked those things to be broken down?

It was a mutual conversation between the two parties. The equipment was original to the opening of the complex. And so the net had to be replaced about every five years. And then the iron mics have a lifespan of about 15 to 20 years. So nearly all of the equipment was at end of life when the sports complex operators came through with the operational management.

Yeah. So batting cage revenue is projected in the performant. I think this is conservative, but I think that's our job as operators to you all at $225,000 a year. Okay. Yeah.

One thing I'm very sketchy about is both sides are going to invest a lot of money in this thing.

Correct.

In all aspects. Are you guys prepared putting guarantees that when you guys do walk maybe from this the agreement that this is we get it back turnkey or whomever because I don't want it to be a dump like those batting cages were when you guys inherited. I want something in there that I'd like some kind of guarantee that they aren't going to be trash. Because that's what you guys kind of inherited. Because, Matt, I think you said they were unsafe when you guys inherited, which was to cause the lead to the closing of them.

Right, right. Yeah, I think that's a great point because I think when we, as you mentioned, Pat, when we took over, it was, you know, I mean, we're grateful for it, but it was 22, 23 years old. Everything has a shelf life. And our whole vision is to be able to do something like this to where we can put it together, where if we, all three of us partners, got a plane crash and died, you guys could take it over. We would have it handed to you. And it's easy to take over right away. So just because we've inherited that as well, and we understand how that works. Yes. And that's, I think Jerry will show some of that, how part of this investment on your end from the parking revenue and things like that goes towards that. So we're replacing turf after 10 years or 12 years, which could be conservative. So we're going to be, replacing that as we go on so when those time when that time does come up it's going to be you know either new turf or replace turf or the facility will be repaired so i think that's built into this financial model so if we were to walk away or you guys don't like it's whatever reason there's cause and we have to go then you guys aren't inheriting something that's like needs to be 100 replaced so yeah unusable yeah

I'm gonna put on the glasses. So the red you guys plan on the net income being for the city 750k You guys mentioned a whole lot of positives about the turf With positives there comes negatives Besides to what the one guy say about 21% increased injuries from kids, you know something like that or yeah What else is there? And I know the heat factors. Now, you guys have some way to regulate that through size and filling, but I know that's a real concern. I mean, I've been on those where my sandals couldn't handle it.

And that's a great point, and I think Mr. Bush pointed out that... with every great question, I think the answer is it's complicated, right? And I think that's what he said. It is complicated. I mean, there are studies out there that point both ways. It's too hot, put in more sand. The sand's too hard, put in more infill. Use water, don't use water on the turf. So I mean, it is a complicated issue. What I know, and this is anecdotally, What I know is that they're putting these turf fields in all over Arizona and Texas and the Carolinas, Florida. It's pretty hot there. So, I mean, I think the industry's figuring these things out and working through it, those types of things. Injuries, you know, you'll see one study that, you know, maybe it's a little too soft for cutting and football, but the next study says, well, it's better for softball because you don't get the bad hops and it's a true surface. So, I mean, it's, It's complicated. I think that's the best answer really for what are the negatives and there could be. I don't know that there's a, there's a lot of pros and there are certainly some cons. And I think, you know, there are arguments on both sides.

All right. Well, just going forward, you guys, I'm telling you, maintenance, I want those things maintained impeccably throughout. And at the end, I want something turnkey. And I'd like something where we can guarantee that.

I mean, that can be defined in the lease. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. I mean, it'll certainly all be defined by the lease.

I don't want to inherit something like you guys inherited.

It's not going to happen. I mean, by a lease that's agreed upon by both parties. There'll be certain expectations, milestones, and everything else.

I guess just on the batting cages, I mean, when you guys did your RFP, you did a walkthrough and you saw the condition of the batting cages at that time. Did you do diligence? Did you?

Yeah.

Okay, and so when you guys signed an agreement, you signed a contract, and this is part of it, it's on page 33. Contractor will be responsible for the repair and maintenance of all equipment, appliances, and other items related to the batting cages area. So it's fully your responsibility. And I think as we heard from Councilman Burns, it's almost, was it $200,000? that we're missing in terms of revenue. So I guess that's one concerning thing I'd bring up, is that you guys signed a contract, an agreement that you would take care of the repair, that you would take care of all the maintenance of the equipment, and we don't have batting cages anymore.

That was agreed upon with the city, unfortunately, though. So they bypassed, overrode that. This is in their RFP when they were awarded this agreement. Should we have ever released them of that responsibility?

What city council did that?

We didn't. It could have been staff. I don't know. The contract with the council, right? City manager, do you know?

Chet, to your point, you're right. We did try to validate that for almost two years when it came to the netting and the fencing and things like that. We really did try to keep that open because we all have kids that go there and play. We all have kids that play baseball and softball. So we did not want to shut. It wasn't like we wanted to shut those down. It wasn't the netting and the fencing. That was the problem. Even though it was a problem, we could patch those and fix those. It ended up being the equipment that was failing and wasn't reliable. It was hitting kids. We were getting sued on it and stuff like that. So it was like, unfortunately, it was the capital equipment that failed. But I mean, it's a valid point to get it.

What I'm trying to read to you, too, is that you guys signed this contract saying you're responsible for that equipment that you're taking on for any repair.

Right. We did maintain and repair the equipment up until the time that it became a capital replacement, which time we brought it to the city's attention, right, and said, this is a capital replacement issue. It's not maintainable anymore. And the decision was, well, let's close it down until we figure out either to replace it or what are some other options. At that time, we said, well, we We think there's other options. We think there are other avenues.

I'm just going to ask a few questions here. I want to go back higher level, almost dovetail off what Don was saying. I mean, we got a couple different things we're looking at here. Really appreciate the ambition, the vision. I mean, we've all talked about ways in which we can amplify certain city assets. So I think everybody's on the same page in regards to goals and increasing revenue, making sure that it works really well for the community. the financial piece of this, and then there's the visionary element, right? What it looks like, whether it's AstroTurf, whether it's not, et cetera. So that is back to what you were saying, Don. So my question is, are you asking for, it seems as if there's a significant portion of the funding, the capital project that you're asking for the city to fund by virtue of giving parking revenue back to you as the operator. And if that is the case, what's the total number, and then what's the total amount that you foresee this project costing, and the total investment that you're seeking, either private or public, whether it's bank loans or et cetera? So total cost of the project altogether, high level numbers, how much you want the city to put in, just so I understand the financial architecture of the deal first, and then I have a couple questions on the secondary piece.

Okay. Yeah, so the city's capital investment from parking revenue is 14.5 million. less the, you know, we that's discounted obviously through by the savings and maintenance contracts. So there's some offsets there in the contracts that you're not going to have to continue. Um, our side of that, the total project investment that the investment in capital is 18 and a half, 18.2. So the city's portion is 14.5. Ours is the Delta plus 10% interest. We have to, investors have to make money too, right? So we're, I can tell you right now, our Performa, we're making over 20 years, we're making 11.2% ROI and 9.9 of that is going to my investors who are gonna fund this capital project. I'm making a point and a half.

Just to be clear, so this is from a landlord tenant perspective, the landlord would be asked to put in $14.5 million on an $18.5 million project, correct?

I mean, this is not a standard landlord- No, no, no, of course.

I'm simplifying it. I was actually kind of going off of Don's analogy. So we're putting in roughly $15 million, $20 million project. I'm looking at it that way, right? 75% of the capital cost that we put in. And the relationship that we had previously was we were paying You were paying us 16% of top line sales, but we're dropping down to 15% of top line sales, correct? Correct. So I guess why are we dropping, if we're putting in 75% of the cost of the project, why are we getting 1% less on revenue in general? I'm just curious on that change, 16 to 15.

Because you're getting $18.2 million in capital.

Well, we're putting up 14.5 million in capital. So if we put up 14.5 million in capital, right now the loan you're getting, you said you're paying 10% interest on that to your investor on the other 4.5 million. So will the city get 10% interest on the 14.5 million in investment?

No.

Well, I mean, the reason I'm saying that is, I just want to understand the deal. We're putting $14.5 million into the project. Then you're going out and seeking another $4.5 million in funding that you're paying 10% on that for their return. So theoretically, as the other investor, the largest investor, meaning the city, we're putting $14.5 million up. What's our return on? Is there a projected return on that capital outside of the $15.85 split? That's more of the tenant-landlord relationship.

Right. Your return is those numbers on the last slide, which is the operating, the annualized operating revenue.

Which is the increase. Okay. Got it. Got it. I just want to make sure that I understand the full architecture of the deal. And then in regards to the, and I'll come back to a few other questions, but in regards to the turf, I mean, I'll just state it out there and I understand the pros and the cons. Fundamentally, A lot of problems with AstroTurf, more from an environmental perspective, it kills the benthic environment, ruins all the natural microorganisms in the soil that would otherwise absorb a lot of the runoff, and then you've got the PFAs, you've got the microplastics, and then obviously this is speculative and it's alleged, it's not 100%, but all the various studies of the different cancers, specifically the thyroid cancer, the cases we saw with the eight Phillies players where they had that rare brain cancer, and then ultimately a confluence of autoimmune disorders that are linked back to the AstroTurf in which the kids have played on. So I would say, I would agree with you that it's complicated. We'll call it 50-50 for the sake of argument. With that being said, and I'll just be transparent with me being a stickler on turf, Is there any opportunity, and I don't want anything here to be a deal killer, right, to kill this project, because I really appreciate the ambition. Is there an opportunity to do this in a manner in which we don't turf the whole field, we don't utilize after turf, we can still use real natural grass and, you know, field substance?

Yeah, I mean, we work at the direction of council, so there's certainly that opportunity, but then the savings and, you know, so all of that.

I understand that. The savings was actually listed as a revenue item here, which I found interesting. The landscape maintenance savings as a revenue item. If we reconfigured that projection and analysis, I still think it shakes out with the overall increase in revenue. I just want to make sure that everything wasn't tied to that. and you'd be willing to have that conversation in more detail in regards to the turf.

If that's the direction of council to do a portion of it, then I think we'd need to recalculate.

Okay, perfect. So, I mean, in conclusion, I just want to make sure that we're clear that everybody understands this is a $14.5 million investment in regards to the city putting capital up. Now, there'll be increased revenue, so there's return on that by virtue of the increased revenue. I still We can talk later about the 16 to 15% split, but I just want to lay that out as a baseline and I'll let my co-council members discuss.

Hey, guys. Somebody said earlier, one of the speakers got up here and said that 90% of the people that Utilize the sports complex now or out-of-towners is that accurate?

We've actually done the calculation it's 46% Primarily local users during the week as you might imagine practices and those types of things local teams The percentage goes up on the weekends when we have tournaments and events of people travel people want to come to Huntington Beach to play, they don't want to go to Chino Hills.

Thank you, that's what I thought. How many, and this might be a question for Ashley, or you guys might know this one too, how many local softball, adult softball teams and leagues, you can just go by teams, play you know sign up to play adult softball there each year?

Each season is about 88 to 110 teams.

88 to 110 teams and there's you know 15 people on a team basically. Okay and how many seasons is there?

There's three seasons, two in a shortened season in the summer.

My math, I'm pretty slow, but I think that's about 3,500 to 4,000 players, local players playing local beer leagues at the sports complex. Is that fair? It's fair. All right. That's all I have for now. I'll think of something else. Thanks.

If I could, just on that 90%, 10%, that was, you know, Commissioner Chenault that had brought that number up, but he had said that it was in September of 2025 that Director Wysocki provided the Finance Commission with that number, and that was data-driven. You guys used the tracking software, Placer, to come up with that information, and so I'd be very curious to discover what that disparity is between what the city had provided the finance commission backed up and maybe the data that you guys have so maybe when we do some more research on this you guys could provide that information to us.

Well, I can tell you with PLACER, it goes by mobile prefix. So there's a lot of people that could live here in Huntington Beach that don't have a 714 or, you know. So if you've come from Texas and you live here and you kept your mobile number and it's prefixed whatever's in Texas, I don't know, 713, whatever the case may be, you're going to appear as an out-of-towner because your mobile number is 713, blah, blah, blah. So PLACER is pretty good. It's used in the commercial space all the time just to try and quantify the amount of people. But they don't necessarily use the phone number to determine the geographics of the people. Because the fact that mobile numbers are so mobile now, people carry their mobile number from coast to coast. So there could be discrepancy there. So let me get back to the clarity.

As you guys know, this is a youth sports complex too, so there's a lot of youth that don't have cell phones and things like that that get dropped off for practices. There's a number of children that use the facility as well.

And the fact is, when you have a great facility, which it will become, you're going to attract tournaments from all over the country, if you will. So you're going to get this big influx for a period of time, but that's the benefit. You're already getting that, but you're going to be able to maximize the fields. So let me go back to the landlord relationship. Yeah, nobody's asking the city to write a $14 million check. Is the city making a contribution into its own asset? Yes, but it's through parking, it's through basically earnings. And the more successful you are because you've created an environment that is activated across multiple disciplines of sports and opportunities the mommy and me's you know probably some concerts you know whatever you guys are able to do there by virtue of the city's approval so in doing that you're bringing in more revenue so if somebody is going to help me make a bunch of money and then I have to give some back and then in the end whatever I give back helps me improve my own asset I don't really look at that as an investment somebody says oh you need it here's a 14 million dollar check this is over a duration this is from revenue generated and so to me I don't really equate that it's not it's not the same thing as a capex check where somebody says I need to budget 14 million dollars money comes in a portion goes back So as they said, if you can generate, if you help me generate one dollar and I keep a dollar and you generate a dollar and I put it back in the asset, that's almost found money. So the city should be, the more they contribute, if it's based on the amount of revenue is proportionate, That just means it's a it's a home run and then in the end. There's also the cost savings You may have categorized this as revenue, but it's still not money out No more water bill to a certain extent no more maintenance costs Those are quantifiable hard costs that now move off the spreadsheet as a cost center And they're no longer there. So yeah, it's it's a savings and Maybe you kept it as revenue, but the bottom line is it's money back in the city coffer that no longer needs to be spent because it's obsolete at this point. So that's just a little clarity. But the bottom line is if you help the city make a bunch more money, create a world-class event, plus put a bunch of your own money into it, and then they give back a little bit to maintain that asset along with you guys, to me that's symbiotic. That's a winner all the way.

I got another question. Another speaker might have been the same speaker came up here and said and this might be for Ashley He said that I can't quote him because I can't remember that far back But it was something to the effect that the city is spending in between 1.5 and 2 million dollars per year To keep the sports complex open. Is that accurate?

That would not one to two million dollars is not accurate now, okay, we have electrical we pay for utilities and And then we also pay for the landscape maintenance.

Do we get enough revenue from the sports complex operators to cover that cost?

I'd have to pull up the reports, but I would say no, but that's also good data on slide where we show the revenue and the comparison of 24, 25.

Right.

We do generate about $50,000, I think is what this slide says annually.

Okay.

So our costs are covered.

Okay, thank you. God, I had another question I forgot. Okay, I'll remember.

Hi, thanks for coming out. So, by the way, I have a 323 number. My husband's got a 562. My son has a 310. We would all be looking like out-of-towners, so I wouldn't base on whether we're from out-of-towners or not based on the number. Mine's a 30-year-old number. We've had several conversations, and my concern is always the same one. I have no problem using the facility to generate more revenue, maximizing its use. Don't have a problem with that. However, I've brought forward to you that my concern was a health concern, where the Netherlands and other countries in Europe are phasing out turfs. The Netherlands, I'm only more familiar with the Netherlands because that's where my husband's from, and they're phasing it out by 2030 due to health concerns. And it's been such a concern that now they're even studying this in Washington, University of Washington, where they conducted a study and compiled a list of 237 soccer players. And a lot of them had some type of cancer and the majority of them were actually goalies who spend a lot of time on the turf. So I have more of a health concern. We've had this conversation over and over. I sound like a broken record. We have a lot of kids that use this turf and if there are any chances that the infill, maybe we can use a better infill that doesn't contain all of these chemicals. I guess some of them were like arsenic and all kinds of carcinogens. They have benzene, arsenic, carbon black, heavy metals, lead, mercury. How could we make sure, what can we do to make sure that that infill wouldn't be a health hazard to our kids. That's been my concern from day one. It's still my concern. It continues to be my concern. So that's where I'm at with this. I'm not willing to put kids at risk when other countries are ripping it out in order to protect safety. I mean, in Europe, even their food is cleaner. They're way ahead of us. I mean, they have, what's that liquor that tastes like mouthwash, that red one, Fireball or something? where the Europe, they received a shipment that was supposed to be sent to the United States and they said, no, we don't use, we don't drink that toxic stuff. Send us ours that had a different configuration. So they're way ahead of us when it comes to clean food and you know, these issues like the turf, how do we know this is not going to hurt our kids?

Yeah, no, great question. And we could talk about this for a long time. I think Don mentioned we've been looking into this for like three years. I know, Gracie, you and I have talked about this a lot. And there's a lot of studies out there, Andrew, look, on both sides, right? So I don't think there's, I hate to just say it's complicated, even though it kind of is, but there are studies on both sides. The turf industry has come a long way since the old AstroTurf that they played, you know, that they laid down. So it's come a long, long way. So there are ways to, they have special infills where the fibers of their non-PFAs, none of that, you know, the crumb rubber, they did studies on all that. They have organic infills that you can use. It's more expensive. Jerry would probably have to go to work on that and see how we would make that work. But there are options out there for that. So they can do a coconut infill. They can do different type of sand infills. They do all kinds of different fibers on these new turfs that they lay out. And there's other studies too. I think I've shared with some of you guys in the past. I'm more than happy to send them your guys' way again. It's tough because it's like Google, right? Like if I want to find out some information, I'm going to find it out, right? If somebody else wants to find out the opposing information, they're going to be able to find it out. And I'm not saying they don't exist because they do, but it's a great question and I think there's ways around it to be able to do that. to make it more safe and to be able to provide studies to show that the turf that we would lay down in there, obviously we'd have, you know, council would approve it or not approve it, whatever you guys wanted to do to make sure you're comfortable with that. And the community is comfortable with it, right? So I know that's the feedback that we get. I'm there every day, right? I'm there a lot more than, so I get the feedback from our softball players, from our youth teams, from our flag football girls, from everyone that uses the facility and where they're playing now. I just spent two weeks in Florida and Georgia, and every field that my son played on except for one was turf. in the middle of summer. So I get it. I get the concerns and they're real concerns. So I think that's, again, I don't know if that's like a conversation that we keep going on tonight. We're happy to have it, but I think I'd love to sit down with you guys individually or whatever, and to talk about that and make sure it's everyone's comfortable with it.

If you guys could do some more research on that. I mean, the first conversation we had about this was what, two years ago? And I've been like, Harking on this over and over I haven't heard like hey here are some studies that it's not dangerous or here are some other options I haven't heard that so I'm stuck on this issue until I see that you guys present something otherwise um so anyway if you guys can look into that that would be great uh we're not ready right now I don't think we have enough information so you know see what you guys come back with

Matt, the viewers are saying they can't really hear you guys, so just get as close to that microphone as possible.

Do you guys know if the turf that you've opted for is organic or coated infill? I know there's different kinds of turf, and my research says the coated or organic infill is the best.

Well, the infill would be different than the turf, but we could use we could use whatever, we could select whatever infill we wanted to. Some of the new turf now comes out with different fibers inside, so you don't even have to use infill or crumb rubber or anything like that. So that's another option that we could present and see what everyone's comfortable with. There's a couple of different ways to do it. However, now, like as far as being recyclable, Andrew, that's Shaw Turf and another manufacturer have come out with this fully recyclable. They have plants there that handle it all. And we can provide all that to you guys. because i know it's a real concern i mean i get it so um we want to be able to make sure you guys are fully informed as much as possible as much as up to date as much as we are so um but but yes but there is there's different ways to use infields they have organic infills they have you know the old school of the crumb rubbers, they have the silicone sand, they have a number of different types of versions that you can use. And different sports use different methods because of the way that that field plays, right? If you're playing football or soccer or whatever. We have the challenge of running a multi-sports complex, right? So it's not just girls softball, it's not just baseball or soccer or lacrosse or flag football. It's all of them, right? So we need to find the balance between everybody and work with the turf manufacturers and experts to find out what's the best type of foundation to lay down here. So for non-contact sports, we're not going to be playing tackle football on here or anything like that. And the majority of the users are 14 and under. So we're going to take that into effect as well, too, when it comes to the foundation of the turf. So again, it gets a little bit more complicated on the science of the turf, and that's probably to Gracie's point to sit down and give you guys more information on that and kind of let everybody feel more comfortable with it. But the technology is kind of, it's light years ahead of when it was in the Astrodome 20 years ago. Right? So it's, it's, it's, and it's to Jerry's point, every facility that's being built now in a sports complex is, well, I can't say every facility, but almost all facilities are being built now with this turf for multiple reasons. So anyways, I don't want to.

Jody, you ready? Got that same slide deck. I just got it annotated.

That's not going to be the one, though. Not that color.

Oh, maybe it is. Interesting. The color's on the screen a little bit different. So I just have some questions. It'll probably be a mix of Director Wysocki and the applicants here. So going to number two under the sports complex challenges, the historic net revenue, my question I see that we netted 17,237. What was the gross at that time? Do you think that you'd be able to pull that up for us?

Give me a couple minutes and I will.

Okay, we can move on from there. and then we'll come back around to that. As far as number two goes, it says the complex has increased 35% usage, so it's gone from that 17,237 in city net revenue to 95% usage, producing 218,887 in city revenue share in 2025. So is that what the city nets off of the revenue share? It's the 218,887? Would that be right?

Yes.

I believe you guys prepared this, right? Yeah. Okay. So I'm just looking at that 218,887. If we go all the way down to the second to last slide where you see the pro forma, I just don't understand why the numbers don't quite match up. We'll go down, I think it's, yeah, down a little bit more. Keep going. Here we go. 24-25 financials, the number that we see there says revenue share based off of, so you guys grossed, $1,291,464,000. We have a 16% revenue share, so we see $206,634 there. There's just some disparity if you go back up to that second slide. It was 218 in the first slide. Without having the numbers in front of me, I suspect one is calendar year versus fiscal year. Okay, yeah, you guys prepared these slides, right? Okay, so do you know which one it is? Because it wasn't staff that put that together.

I don't recall. This was the most recent slide, and that was certainly our...

Okay, could we go back to that second slide?

Yeah.

Under facility usage. we go all right so 218 887 dollars coming to us in 2025 now if we look at the cost of the water right so these are all costs that the city has to pay so we're paying 88 000 for water we're paying 130 000 for field maintenance and that's with merchant we're paying a hundred thousand dollars in electricity we're paying $231,000 in methane monitoring. And one that you guys had forgotten to factor in into all of this data and to perform it is the separate contract that we have with merchants to clean the bathrooms for $39,600. That's the restroom. So our total expenses, total expenses is $588,600 from the data that I can gather. And yet, what it's producing, the sports complex is producing 218,887 to us. And so you see that number in red. So we're in the red. We're eating it, we're hemorrhaging $369,713 just as it is right now. And so we're taking on all of these expenses and we're getting a fraction of the revenue that's generated.

I think what's also missing from that data point is the parking revenue. which is contemplated on the last slide.

So I went over the RFP that you guys had put forward when you wanted to be awarded the sports complex, and I know that you had asked for parking to be a part of it, but parking is not part of the deal with you guys at all. It never was, correct? Correct. Okay. So as far as what the sports complex generates with this maintenance licensing agreement that we have with them, that's what they generate to us. Parking is a whole other thing that's really not in their universe. Technically, it's not part of the agreement. They wanted it to be, but it's not part of the agreement. That's in the RFP. If we go to number three, capital improvements. So you guys hired somebody to do turf. Can you name the company that you worked with that put the turf in? Please. AbleTurf? HaloTurf. HaloTurf. Okay. And then could we get the receipts on that, just see what the cost was for that going in? And then I'm not trying to be a stickler here, but, I mean, is that something that we normally would have to pull permits on? Because I couldn't find anything on my end, at least. I couldn't find any information.

JV, can you help with that question? Artificial turf and permits.

I'd have to check with the building official. I don't, off the top, I don't think it would require a building permit for that.

Okay, and I'm just curious. I'm not trying to be a stickler on that. I'm just trying to, you know, reverse engineer and follow things. All right, let's go back down to the next. So landscape maintenance, we got a 2X to 3X. Next slide, please. 2X to 3X. Again, this is merchants. I'm curious if they've had the opportunity to weigh in on this. Have they said that they're going to increase the cost two to three times?

So historically, the sports complex has been maintained as a typical park space, and that is why the fields are currently in the condition that they're in. The city has never invested in a maintenance contract that is specific to sports field maintenance. So understanding the extra costs that will be incurred as a result of maintaining these fields in the future Through this next RFP, which we're going to be organizing, we are anticipating costs to double or triple as a result of maintaining the sports fields as sports fields.

So why would it cost so much more? I mean, we've been doing this for how many years now? How many decades have the fields been the way that they are and been played on that way?

Two decades.

Okay. And so we're going from what we have now, and then I guess what's being proposed, the reason is costing two to three times more. It's almost like, well, the family's moving on from having a Corolla to now we're going to have a Porsche. And that's why it's going to cost us so more. Maybe we don't need the Porsche of fields. Maybe we could just keep going with the field maintenance contract the way that it is right now. So it's not so much that they're going to put on us a 2x to 3x increase on the field maintenance work that they're doing right now. This is presupposing that we're going to get some type of, you know, high level luxury, you know, field. So that's why it would cost more. Is that correct?

I would not necessarily say that it's going to cost more because we're bringing in a luxury vehicle what I would say it's right sizing the maintenance that should have been contemplated when the sports complex opened because there is a difference between what we currently have which is your mobile go contract they go in they mow the fields they blow off the clippings and off they move sports complex maintenance requires different types of mowers it requires different types of taking the fields down, overseeding them, aerating them. They should be going down once a year for a significant amount of time to overseed and hydro seed them, in addition to laser leveling them. So there, in order to maintain a sports field so that it is the right type of field, there are increased costs as a result, but the city historically has only maintained it as your typical park space.

And I'm saying, hey, maybe that, you know, it's worked for the last couple of decades and maybe it continues to work, especially when we're sort of in dire times and we're facing these, you know, budget deficits. It's a luxury. I think it sounds really nice to have, but if it's going to cost us 2x to 3x more, maybe we stay the course. Now, when it comes to merchants, a lot of the things that you just mentioned are things that they contractually are supposed to be doing. I read their agreement. and sodding the fields, aerating the fields. I mean, apart from the laser stuff that you mentioned, this is all work that they're already doing. And the agreement that they have with us right now, I think it's about $140,000 on an annual basis with a not to exceed of $200,000 per year. And so with their agreement coming up, it's going to be expiring. I believe that they do have one extension that they just went with and they have the option to do one more that might get them to I think maybe 28 or 29. From that point forward, it's not like they could just begin to charge us significantly more. This is a professional service agreement, so we'd go through the Chapter 3.03 professional service procurement process where we would have to have that rule of three. of qualified professional services that would bid on it, and then we would take, I guess, the lowest qualified bidder in that case. So I just kind of question those numbers because the bigger that number is, it looks like better savings then, you know, in the end. I just question that multiplier. I don't think it's a 2x to 3x. I think we could probably keep merchants pretty close to where they're at if we decide not to go you know, with this sort of, you know, luxury, you know, option here. And I presume that it will have to go to competitive bid regardless. We can't just, you know, okay, we can't still source it there. The $1.1 million, that's what we have left to pay, but we have already put in a little over $700,000. Is that correct?

That is correct, yes.

So all in, as it says there in the yellow, we're going to be $1,877,675 just on the lighting side of things. I added them together. I took an email from city manager. So all in, that's what the lighting will be. What's really interesting about that is when you look at the savings on the lighting, what was the number that you guys had said that we would have on savings on lighting? I think it was something like a 60% reduction in cost.

Yeah, but in the Performa, we didn't model any savings in electricity.

Okay. This is just some of the research I was doing, and then with the city manager, you had sent me an email, and it's about a 40% reduction in cost. So our savings would be about 40%. And I remember seeing that the lighting is about $100,000. So with all this lighting, if we're saving about $40,000 a year on a $1.8 million investment, how many years will it take to get that investment back? You guys could do the math on that. going to take, I think, north of 25 years. That's just an FYI.

Maybe I could just jump in on the lighting. The lighting is at its end of its useful life, and that's why we were starting to replace it, and it makes sense when you do replace it to go with LED.

Yeah, I understand. So here's what I got, the numbers right here. So all in on the lighting, we're $1,877,675 in. Our savings are going to be $40,000 a year. So if you divide that by that big $1.8 million number, it's going to take us approximately north of 46 years to get the return on our investment from the savings on that. Going back to, yeah, go ahead.

I'm just curious, are you saying you should not replace those lights then? Just keep them the same?

I'm saying it's gonna take us north of 46 years to get the return on our investment at that rate.

Are the current ones incandescent? Yeah, so you can't even buy an incandescent light anymore here. So a lot of this stuff, switching to LED, that's by state mandate. You can't go to Home Depot anymore and get an incandescent light, right? I would imagine the same thing stands true for the lighting standards. So not every capital investment is going to yield a return.

Okay, if I can get my time back. Yeah, if you're compelled to do it. I encourage, all I'm looking for here is just transparency for the public so that they get to have their eyes on everything and they get to contemplate everything the same way that we do. Now when this was originally presented to me about a week and a half ago, I was told that we were going to have 38 million gallons of water that are roughly, that's what's consumed for this area. And you guys can see it says 23 acres of natural grass fields consume an estimated 17 million gallons of water annually. So I guess, how did you guys come up with that 38 million that showed up in this performer that I have in my hands that you guys gave us in the meeting? And then how did it go from 38 million to 17 million? And I guess, how did you come up with the 23 acres of grass?

So that 38 million originally came from a conversation that we had with Public Works and it was an assumption. We pulled the actual water bills for the last year and the actual number was realized at 17 million.

Okay. So I was told when we were asking for what would the actual water bill be, they said it's very complicated because the meter there actually services far more than just the sports complex. It serves a lot. So we don't really have a way to quantify it. So I guess what methodology did they end up using to quantify specifically what goes to the sports complex?

There are nine meters that serve the sports complex. Some of it also serves that exterior landscaping along Golden West. So it's not a perfect science when you're looking at what meter serves what area, but we did ask the water department to pull all of the meters that touch the sports complex, and we pulled out the meters that service the concession stands.

Okay, and then what about, let's say, the meters that... There's trees, there's agriculture in the area as well that needs to be watered, so how much of that water would be going towards the trees and the outer perimeter of the park, not just the fields. Because when you actually, when someone goes on Google Earth, this is very simple, a tool that they could use, it's called the polygram, and they can measure acreage. They could figure out exactly how many acres the grass fields are. And so when I measured it, what I came up with, and I'll say approximately because it's not gonna be like razor sharp, but 15.4 acres of grass. And again, that's quite the disparity between the 23 acres. And I might seem like a stickler right now, and I kind of hear some murmuring over here to my right, but guys, this is a massive investment that the city is looking to engage in. It's the $14.5 million plus the $1.8 million of lighting. So really, we're looking at investing $16,377,675. That's a lot of money, all right? So that's why this is one of those things that's kind of generational. This is a 20-year agreement, and so let's take our time and be thoughtful about it. And I would say it would behoove us, I think, to listen to the finance commissioners that came up here and said, guys, pump the brakes. Give us a shot to look at it. And so we can move on down to the next slide with my next set of questions. We'll just go into the next highlighted spot. So I think it's slide number 11. Okay, yeah, and there's the lighting. So those are the numbers just so for the public's benefit, they could see how I worked those numbers out. 40% savings off of that 100,000. We can keep going down. And so as Councilman Andrew Gruhl had pointed out, the revenue share that we have currently with you guys is we get 16%. But with this new deal, it would drop down to 15%. And this is after all of this capital investment that we're going to be making. We can go down to the next slide, slide number 13. This is where things kinda got a little weird, because I'm looking at this proposed project pro forma, and if you look in the boxed red right there, it says water savings, $80,000, landscape maintenance savings, $385,000. Number one, the water savings is suspect as we just looked at. We're still going to need to do water for the outer parts of the park in that area, for the trees, for all of the agriculture, but the landscape maintenance savings is extremely suspicious because right now we're paying $140,000 for that. And the field maintenance is just one small part of what Merchants does under that $140,000 contract. There's a list of over 25 different responsibilities that they have in their agreement that includes not just the fields, but all the work that they do. There's 80 different trash cans that they're emptying out on a regular basis, right? Are they not? They're taking care of the sidewalks and pressure washing them. They're taking care of the playgrounds and they're scraping them and grooming them. There's a lot of responsibilities that they have, so it's not just like we could just wipe out the landscaping maintenance savings, $140,000, but what was really strange to me in this PERFORMA, right, is that if you look at where it was put, it's put in the income section. I don't understand that. I think a sixth grader, if they provided a PERFORMA where they said savings is actually equal to income, and they put it in the income section, it's added on as income. The water savings is 80,000 income. The landscape maintenance is $385,000 income. And then it says annual operating income, $1 million, $1,076,000. I think if somebody turned that in in school, in grade school, they would get an F for that project. So again, I think, man, that we're moving fast. I'm nervous because I think that we should bump this back to the Finance Commission. I'm prayerful that we actually have the support to do something like that. And then again, the parking aspect of it, as I pointed out earlier, was never part of Huntington Beach Sports Complex LLC's RFP. It's never part of the agreement. So it's not really, you know, yours to give, you know, in this pro forma. And so when we really start doing the numbers here, the math on it, it just it doesn't make sense it doesn't the way that it is right now and I'm not saying that we can't get there but I would like to go back to the Finance Commission and kind of massage these numbers a little bit and then there's one last thing I noticed on the last slide so we go down all the way down to the very last slide says at the very bottom there in the footer Huntington Beach Central Park Sports Complex 20-year lease extension summary I guess this question would be for the city attorney City Attorney, do we have, is it a lease that we have with them? And I think you know where I'm going with this, Section 612 in our charter. I don't think it's a lease agreement. It's a licensing agreement. Is that right? Okay.

Can we enter... License and or operations agreement management.

Would we be able to enter into a lease agreement? with Charter 612, or would it have to remain a licensing agreement?

We would need to look at, if we were to go to, we're not, it's not proposed, but if we were to look at a lease agreement, we would need to analyze Measure C and Measure, what was the other measure? L. L, thank you.

And so, based off of the duration that they have left on their agreement right now, I believe that it expires in what year, with how many extensions?

Three more years.

We're in year five of a nine-year contract, three, three years.

Okay, so if you execute, if you exercise all extensions, where would we be? What year?

It would expire in, I believe, 2032. So 2032.

So we're looking about six years from now.

Don't quote me on that. I'm getting another conversation. Approximately.

Call it 2035, right? There's not enough time on the agreement. And once these extensions have been exercised, I believe we would have to go to RFP. This would all have to go to RFP. And so I think that we kind of owe it to the public then in that sense. I mean, tonight the operator They're looking to keep 85% of the sports complex revenue. They're asking for a lease extension, roughly $16 million of taxpayer money for the construction of the parkland. You know, I think that we owe it, I think, to the taxpayer to at least go out to a competitive bid and or have the Finance Commission take a look at this just to see, like, are there other options out there? And so, I know that we might have some other speaking tonight, but I'll get a motion just out there on the floor. I would move, this would be my motion, to refer the proposed improvements to Huntington Beach Sports Complex to the Finance Commission for review. and direct staff to assist and provide the Finance Commission sub-tax committee with the data they need to provide a written recommendation to the City Council. So that would be my motion. I know we got some other speakers that want to come next. If we have someone that can second that, and that would be what I'd like to...

Second, I don't see why we wouldn't want Finance Commission to look at this because this is a very complicated deal, $16 million for an investment with no direct return on that investment. The 15% that we're getting, formerly 16%, is part of the licensing deal. That has nothing to do with the capital that's being put in that we're getting a return on. Finance Commission taking extra time to look at this would be the prudent thing to do. I agree.

Just to remind the council, we're just in the study session tonight. Yeah, this is just a study session, guys.

But can we make a motion to send it back to Finance Commission? Is that okay what I just did? Okay, yeah. City Attorney? Yes. Yes. Thank you.

All right, guys, appreciate you guys coming. Obviously, you guys have been working on this for multiple years. I think it's going on year three. A lot was said there, so just want to kind of go through and educate the community what's going on. Appreciate you guys working hard to come up with this proposal. As mentioned before, this is one of our big assets that we own that we really want to get right. There's no reason why our sports complex shouldn't be the best in California, the country with the weather, the climate. It was built, you know, obviously you guys kind of like a single use. The merchant's contract, correct me if I'm wrong though, the merchant's contract was for like a park actually, right? Like it's not like a sports complex. contract with all the grass that needs to be replaced. I think Irvine, Matt, you can correct me if I'm wrong, where they spend over a million dollars on their maintenance contract for their fields?

6.7 million.

6.7 million. Sorry, I was way off on that. We're spending how much? 135.

135.

And if anyone knows, because we spend a lot of time working on this, like those fields are in disrepair because we're not spending enough money to maintain grass. Like when you have events there, you beat it up, you chew it up, it has to cure, it has to rest. So Matt, did you guys try to do Friday night lights one time before, right? But the challenge is now the fields are damaged and you can't use them the next day, right? So you have to let them cure for, and go ahead, you can talk on the mic, cure for a while, right?

Yeah, correct. It's just a maintenance issue, right? If you're going to play football on a Friday night, you can't play, you know, then we've got to make the decision to not have a tournament that weekend because of the turnover time to be able to set up for whether it's softball or baseball or something. We've got to put up fences and so it's it's a little bit of a logistical nightmare along with the play of the grass, right? Whether turf kind of solves that issue.

And as I touched on before, the last year dealing with the fast pitch contingent and those girls are now understanding that all the big softball, fast pitch colleges like Oklahoma, they've all gone and turfed, so that is the present, that is the future. Now the girls have come out here last year, they're all about it, they want it, they see it. It's a level playing surface, it reduces liability from bad hops, all those things. And to clarify, turfing is just the playing surface, not the outer area, so there's some maybe addressing some environmental concerns there. There's still natural runoff in the grass areas and the turf technology changes. But what's more important is it actually increases the utility of the sports complex. It's not just softball and baseball, but now you guys open up to lacrosse, to soccer. The fastest growing sport in the country that surpassed pickleball is girls flag football. Can you guys talk about your conversations with Liner and those flag football teams that want to come in here and use these facilities? Can you touch on that?

I think unfortunately they can't do it now just because we're not able to offer that process but that's what they play on now and as you mentioned Casey it's the fastest growing sport in America and Huntington is a hub for it and just the surrounding high schools in Huntington too so it's We get approached every day to, you know, hoping this could come through so we can bring in.

And then we have tournaments here and they come and they use our fields and they chew them up and then they go down to Irvine or Lake Forest for the finals, right? And they have their big facilities. Like, why don't we have that in Huntington Beach? Why they should be staying here? They should be staying in our hotels. You guys have talked about doing a Cooperstown West on the West Coast. Like, why can't it be Huntington Beach? So that's why Council Member Gould touched on it. Like, I love the vision. And you talk about the, you know, utility of the indoor training facility now with batting cages and mommy and me and yoga classes and weightlifting and all in one facility that you can move around and move the pieces around and be super flexible. What I learned from you guys is the new academy program, right, where kids are actually taking a gap year. So they graduate eighth grade, they don't go to high school the next year, They take a year off a gap year and they get trained by private coaches. We had a gentleman come up earlier, a resident, he's a private coach. They get stronger, they get bigger, but they need schooling. So we've talked about having their schooling in the library next door. So getting their private tutoring in the library, coming across the sports complex, using the new training facility that's like multi-purpose, putting in new cameras like biometrics, tracking their data, maybe there's some revenue streams there, right? You have new cameras tracking their speed, their bat speed, speed down the bases, whatever. So there's other opportunities. I really think you guys, from what I've seen and talked to you, I think you're really selling it short on the revenue. What was conveniently left out in that previous presentation is the demand you guys are now bringing. I had to write this down. It's not $16 million in taxpayer money. It's money that's coming in from the parking revenue that you guys create from the demand you're creating, which is increased revenue. And that's not coming from taxpayers.

That's what I want to touch on. You guys are a lot smarter than I am. We're not asking the taxpayers. So it's like that revenue, Ashley can say the correct number, I think, before we took over was, were you guys parking revenue before that?

I mean, you said it earlier, you increased it by 7x.

So, yeah, and we think that's going to grow, so we're pretty conservative on that number. So I don't think, again, you guys can tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we're asking you guys to write a check for $14 million.

No, again, it's amortized over the length of the project, paid for by a parking revenue that's increasing. It's strictly parking revenue, correct.

increased parking room that you're creating by the demand you're bringing in because now the fields have way more utility so you have way more sports there you can bring back friday night lights you can have other events there because like you said that your most used field right now is that new utility field that you turfed yeah and it behooves us to pay our debt service off as soon as possible as well so the faster that gets paid off like and we can put we can talk about the terms and conditions as well too when that gets paid off we can adjust that rate from the parking we don't we can turn that back over so i know i've talked to don about that too so we're We're just trying to be conservative on those numbers and make sure that we're covered as well. It's a large investment for both sides. And so it's not like, I think both sides need to make sure that they're protected a little bit. And at the same time, we have an opportunity to build to your point, one of the best sports complexes around.

There's no reason why it shouldn't be. There's a huge need for it. The water savings, obviously, we don't need the exact number, but it's obvious that we're going to save water because we're going to have turf on the fields. Also, the landscape infrastructure you guys have mentioned that needs to be replaced, that needs to be maintained, that's no longer an expense to the city because now you have turf on the playing surfaces. I would like to, we had this conversation before, to weave in and encapsulate the gun range that's next door, we've talked about that, with the lake. the landify group that came in for whatever reason that was pushed aside I'd love to bring that back have those guys clean it now we can weave that into the sports complex in totality. I mean, you guys have already spent your own money covering the dugouts, right? Because when the sports complex was built, they had roofless dugouts. So kids are sitting in there just getting torched by the sun. Did you guys not come in and invest your own money to put roofs on those dugouts?

We did.

OK. So you guys are local. You invest money. You're in this industry. You know it inside and out. The whole idea is a great concept. I'm pretty confident. after the study session we can massage these numbers maybe there's a hybrid where the city has one-time funds that we could invest now instead of you having to get your lion's share from your investor paying 10 maybe the city can give you a chunk of that change right maybe we can weave in more uh ref share actually i believe that they're the highest rev share of any operator we have in the city is that correct percentage wise that i can't confirm i'm pretty sure right travis

that I know of right now. Yeah.

Okay, so they're already currently playing the highest rev share of any operator we have. There's opportunity, I believe, to massage these numbers as we're getting through and maybe, and I'll give Butch credit, he's like, what if we chip in more money for you guys so you guys can save some on your outside financing costs so we can restructure some of the parking revenue payments. Again, this is a study session. I'm hopeful that everyone sees this opportunity of what it is. It can be amazing. It should be amazing. You guys have spent a lot of time really working, being patient, listen to stakeholders. There's a lot of back and forth, a lot of hand-wringing. But again, just the utility that you can bring to the additional bodies and cars filling those parking lots and those parking spaces multiple times a night. I mean, all the softball leagues you guys have every week, right? And that's the need that you guys brought in with the concession stands, turning those into restaurants. That was a need from your active, you know, softball teams that were looking to stay on site, and the idea now you have fractured contracts with merchant and other vendors, we could do a global agreement, bring it all into one roof, because I know that's an issue where you're getting complaints about the grass, but that's not under your contract, that's under merchants. You can only do so much because that's under their purview, but we're not paying them enough, to have a sports complex maintenance agreement. So to bring in one global agreement, have it under one roof, and weave this all together with the library potential, with the academy program, I think makes a lot of sense. So I'm just hopeful after this step, we go back, work some numbers, have some more meetings, and fine tune the details. So I think it's great. Thank you.

Quick question to Ashley, because I mean, could you answer that about the parking? So the parking, it went up 7x, but is that possibly because we like, 10x the fee? Was it $1 in the beginning?

So the parking was $1 at the time. And what is it now? Right now it's $2 during the week and then $10 for any events or tournaments.

Okay, so events and tournaments is 10x. So that might explain that a little bit. And then as far as the turf thing goes, I mean, I hope the council remembers that we just heard from Planning Commissioner Brett Bush, who literally ran the league for Matt Leiner, and he expressed his disdain for the turf, how it's not a good idea. And FNL, we play on grass, and so does Matt Leiner over Edison. It's not an issue. FNL, we play on grass at Marina High School. It's not an issue. And then as far as the Placer thing goes, I looked it up because I thought, man, that company's not doing well if they're just basing it off of an area code. Of course they don't do that. Placer determines location and inferred residencies from devices, actual GPS, Wi-Fi signals, and dwell time patterns, like where you regularly spend nights, not from phone numbers or area codes. So we could dispel that one as well. So we have a motion and it was seconded on the floor. I'd like to take a vote.

Well, Chad, I just want to say one thing because we're throwing numbers out there. I think it's important and this doesn't come from a place of subjectivity. I just want to be clear. We're asking to put $14 million of revenue that will, I agree, right? It increases revenue, increases revenue that otherwise wouldn't be there. The projected numbers on the net income is 745,000. So the projected money the city will gain in 20 years is 14, that's 14.9 million. We're being asked right now to put in actually 16.9 million. So actually the money that we invest increases the revenue and we're still net negative on what we otherwise would invest. I think that's the purpose of the study session, look at the deal, see if there's better ways of shaking the number out.

Correct. That's what I just said. I'm pretty confident there's a way to dig in on the model and I really believe they're selling short their revenue projections. Just based on the increased utility from having turf plane services, I think it explodes. I think you can do two things at once. The Finance Commission can work on it. We can work on it. They're not mutually exclusive. We don't need to just kick it down to them. We've been working on this for two years. I'm going to continue to work on it. Don's going to continue to work on it. We're going to talk to Matt, talk to Jerry, and try to work these numbers and find a better solution. It's a total team effort. Finance Commission can do their thing. We can do our thing, but let's keep moving it. Let's keep this ball moving forward.

Yeah, and that's where I said I see it as two things, right? Finance is the deal piece of it, and then the other piece is the vision, which is more of like the art piece of this. Obviously, we're going to need to look into the legal element of it. So I just wanted to make that clear that when I say I understand it's being invested over a time frame and it's coming out of the revenue that we're bringing in, but it's still the money that's coming back to the city and the money that's going back into the capital improvement project here is still net negative $1.5 million.

What you're failing to account for is the asset value is increased dramatically by the improvements done over time from revenue that came in, which would otherwise not be generated. So let me just touch on it real quick, if I may.

And also the economic impact it creates, right? I mean, the girl's fast-paced softball, he's got, I think it's like an $85 million economic impact to the local area. A lot of that goes, some goes to South County, some stays here, but creating a world-class facility, a sports complex, that is what it should be, brings a lot more people here that just use the facility, stay in town, stay in hotels, dine in our restaurants, all those things. So it's not just the money at the sports complex specifically, but it spills out to the rest of the city. that 85 million dollars economic impact to our city i said the girls fast pitch softball economic impact report pad isn't area yeah to the general areas that's what his economic impact report said so is that to huntington beach that's what i'm saying saw me sears they go down to south county his economic his economic impact report just for his two-week softball tournament he what he showed me is i think it's about what 85 million right pat i think so something like that

Even if only a tenth of it came in, it was $8 million from Dan Hayes' report. It's good for the city, good for the hotels, good for the restaurants, good for the parking, good for the goodwill of the city. So let me just touch on a couple of things. So this, when we met, was an iteration. We gave you a lot of feedback and you came back with a secondary version. Nobody said this is the final version. This is a study session. We're all learning. You're taking input. We're giving input. You're making changes. So that's number one. Nobody's saying what you presented tonight was the 100%. That's the one. Iteration one, iteration two. Secondly, on the two to three times, you know, the Corolla to the Ferrari, well, I would imagine most of your participants, like Dan Hay and the bigger providers, they're probably also asking for better performance. fields in grass. It's not like you say, hey, we want to spend another two to three X. I would imagine your big vendors, the big people bringing in these tournaments, are saying, hey, if you had better fields, it would be a better experience. And I would imagine also there's people that say, we won't come to your location because you don't have the type of fields that we're going to put our kids on. Is that a fair statement?

There's a lot of imagination in there, I would imagine.

Maybe you don't understand sports. beer leaguer i don't know dude when you go high end you know kids want to play on good fields kids don't want to you know turn ankles on fields so you know merchants like they said is a blow and go so you know when you want to you know get high level athletes out here like these these girls that are hoping to get college scholarships you know go to the olympics you know there was a you know joe kachka's wife she's a gold medal olympian from fast pit softball just Met her the other day, that photographer, Athens, fast-pitch softball. So there's a lot of high-level athletes out here that don't want to see their kids get wrecked on fields that are really wavy and stuff like that. And if Merchants is doing one thing because it's cost, I'm sure there are people asking you, let's use Dan Hay. I would imagine, has he ever said, hey, can you improve the outfields?

Yeah, what does Dan Hay say? What does Dan Hay say about turf?

Yeah, Danny has come around on turf, actually. Yeah. So but he has spent he has just spent how much money with the debris sodding some of the fields because it was not playable for acceptable for him to play his national event there.

Matt, just touch on real quick. The community output input you guys I'm not I'm sorry, community outreach you guys have done with like LA Galaxy and those those groups that have come into the sports complex and outreach to the community and those things.

yeah so we yeah we've reached out we've done we know we've really made an effort the past year to kind of get back to the Community and deal with some of these groups that also want to give back to our Community la galaxy is one of them. And they're you know they're committed to, as we go through this. This project and hopefully it goes through to to be involved with us and to be able to give out scholarships and clinics and things like that we've done a lot of things like oak view for. some of the soccer players and provided them with scholarships with some of our partners that use the facility. So I don't know why that's funny. So we do a lot of that. So we have some soccer partners that use our facility on a daily basis. And we've gone to them as well too and said, hey, can you provide scholarships for some of these kids for soccer to come in and be a part of your clinics and things like that. So we're really cautious about that with our community. LA Galaxy has been really good showing up to schools, showing up to our facility and putting on clinics for free. And we try to get that out to as many people as we can.

There's also sponsorship opportunities as well, right? You touched on it. That revenue would also flow to the city as well. So again, I think there's just an opportunity to dig into the numbers more, maybe massage them with you guys. So I'll just do a substitute motion that we'll let the Finance Commission review.

Let me just touch on two last things, then we can vote. So the lighting, we know it was already something in effect. Incandescent lights have to go to LED. Not every capital improvement is going to yield a monetary return on investment. Can you pull up the last slide? I just want to point a couple of things out real quick. You know, I think it's real clear where they said, can you pull the last one up? Thanks. Okay, maybe not that one. The one that had the yellow on it, the one that said, you know, savings. Yeah, oh, that was chat slide? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just wanna point something out that, I mean, it's fairly obvious, maybe poor use of a word. Yeah, that one, right, nope, down, yeah, right there. Okay, so proposed project pro forma asterisk Parentheses, city income. Okay, they use the word pro forma. This is not a true pro forma. This is showing some revenue. Obviously, what is it? My eyes are bad here. They're saying water savings. Yeah, methane monitoring. That's not a revenue piece, methane monitoring. They're all lumped into one thing, basically showing what the potential for the city to earn is. So it's a jumbled slide. I don't think he's presenting it as like an offering memorandum, which is a dialed-in pro forma. So, you know, Jerry, no offense. It's a mumble slide, but I don't think you're trying to pull the wool or you're so uneducated that you thought this was a true performance. You're stating some revenue drivers, some cost savings, some expenses. It's all in one box. And in the end, you say, hey, blah, blah, blah, 745 grand based on little money in, little money saving, a little bit of annualized income. 745. It kind of waters down to that. I think that's the spirit of the slide. If I was your teacher, I'd say, Jerry, poor choice of words, but I'm going to still give you an A for effort, not an F. You didn't flunk. That's it. The annualized savings, the lighting, the two to three times Corolla to the Ferrari, you know, I don't think it's fair. It's kind of chastising you guys for like saying, oh, yeah, you're just going to roll out the Ferrari. I think your constituents have probably asked for it, including Dan Hay. And, you know, I've spoken to you a number of times. People that play a coach over at Huntington, my friend Sam August said he knows a lot of high level teams that will not play on those types of fields. So I know it's a factual statement from people who are in the industry, who are in the sports. So that's why I can make that statement with confidence.

All right, so I want to make a substitute motion to allow the Finance Commission to review, do their thing, and then the City Council still can do our thing and work with you guys and keep fine-tuning this thing.

Okay, so can we keep my motion the way that it is alongside, you know, the City Council doing their...

Well, what I'd like to... That's why I said I'd substitute Pat seconded it, so the Finance Commission can review, and then we'll keep working and reviewing.

But can I put a caveat on... I'm fine with Chad's substitute motion. I'd like to put a time frame on this, so I don't want to have them go, well, we need two months, three months. Let's put a... You know, you want to get to work on it? Let's let them get to work on it. These guys deserve to know, you know, what direction they're headed. They've got investors lined up on the income, so let's...

Yeah. At 30 days?

Yeah, 30 days. You come back, and that's it. That's it. That's more than enough time. So, finance, the substitute motion I make is that let, let finance.

Just to be clear, the Finance Commission only meets once every 30 days. Well, these guys, these guys are constantly on the clock. Yeah, those three are on it. With all these millions of dollars.

So, if the Finance Commission comes back in 30 days, and we'll keep working on the same time, that's my substitute motion. Pat Byrd seconded it. Madam Clerk? Please call the roll.

Okay, I'll make a substitute to that and I'll clarify things more so that we actually get the subcommittee with the Finance Commission working on it. That way they can meet more than just the regular 30-day meeting. And so the substitute to that would be, I would move to refer the proposed improvements to Huntington Beach Sports Complex to the Finance Commission. And I'll add the sub-task committee, the Finance Commission sub-task committee that's dedicated towards the sports complex. And that staff will assist them and provide them the data that they need to provide a written recommendation to the City Council. And then you want to put a date on it to return, what, say 30 days? 30 days. So is that with the meeting after next meeting?

We have a meeting on the 21st and then we have a meeting on the 4th. So today's the 7th. So two meetings from now would be August 4th. First Tuesday. August 4th happening for sure?

I just want to make sure.

I don't know. Are we canceling the meeting?

Just do mid-August then?

Huh?

Okay, do by the second meeting in August, by August 21st.

Okay, so that would be, is that, I'm looking at it right now, would that be the 18th, August 18th? Okay, so to return by August 18th with a written recommendation to the City Council alongside your motion for City Council to continue to- Perfect. Iron out the wrinkles.

Sounds good, second. Madam Clerk, call the roll, please.

Councilman Grohl?

Yes.

Councilman Kennedy?

Yes.

Mayor Pro Tem Twiney?

Yes.

Mayor McKeon? Yes. Councilman Burns?

Aye.

Councilwoman Vandermark? Yes. Councilman Williams?

Yes. Thanks guys for coming. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Talk soon. All right, consent calendar items 12 through 17, would anyone like to pull an item?

I'll pull 13.

13.

Move the remainder.

Second. All right, Madam Clerk, move 12, 14, 15, 16, 17.

Councilman Grohl.

Yes.

Councilman Kennedy.

Yes.

Mayor Pro Tem Twine?

Yes.

Mayor McKeon? Yes. Councilman Burns? Aye. Councilwoman Vandermark? Yes. Councilman Williams?

Yes.

Items passed 7-0.

Councilman Grewal, item 13. Yeah, I just wanted to, maybe I misunderstood, but in the last meeting we were putting that forth to have certain questions answered and to look into it, look into the liability, have risk management assess it. Attorney, was there any updates on that? I was under the impression there was going to be updates that were given prior to voting on it through consent.

So as the staff looked at it and was trying to identify costs and items like that, in order to move forward and evaluate those, I don't think that's something that we could do in that amount of time. So the proposed is to do a pilot program for the next year and bring that back. And I do think Marissa has some update on the risk management side of that.

Wait, just so I understand that, so I'm sorry, can you be clear on that? So it would take too much time to determine what the risk was?

No, not the risk, not the risk. On revenue and those kind of things, we would not take too much time, but it's hard to identify what the revenue source would be for that without having, it's difficult to ask people to, what they would do provide for revenue on those items to certainty so that it made more sense to if we did a pilot program if the council chose to do a pilot program going forward we do have some update from risk on the risk and unless the city attorney has anything else okay so speaking to the risk management component of it I believe some of the concerns were whether the city would assume liability

based on the layout of the signage on the stairs, excuse me, on the signage of the stairs. So typically, and I might confirm if I'm misspeaking, but typically if you have an agreement for someone else to come in and take responsibility for putting up the signage, then you'd be transferring the risk to the contractor by way of indemnification and insurance requirements. And then kind of looking at some requirements that we could set out through our discussions if we were to allow the signage on the staircase, we'd be looking at ways to limit any sort of open conditions that would cause liability. So for example, you wouldn't want to have something slippery on the steps themselves. Any of those ways that you could mitigate the liability and mitigate the risk to the public. So making sure it's only affixed to the front of the staircase, not something that someone would be stepping on or tripping over. Those are things that we'd identify through the course of the pilot program.

And if I could just kind of speak maybe to that a little bit, you know, I know that when people, you know, sometimes the Tejas people, when they sue, they go for the deepest pockets. And, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, city attorney, but we have had, you know, on city assets where something is licensed out and there's indemnification clauses in there. Somebody got hurt on that property. And nevertheless, even though there's an indemnification clause that was on there, we, the city, got sued.

Yeah, I mean, they can always sue the city, but we will transfer the lawsuit on to the contracting party.

Yeah, but in one of these cases, there was a settlement that the city was involved in. We went all the way through.

Yeah, I'm not aware of that case, but again, all of our contracts have an indemnification and insurance requirement, and as does this, we could beef that up, but we will beef that up to make sure that in the event someone trips and falls, and it's because of the advertising that the company would be responsible. That's not to say that the city won't get sued, but again, we'll transfer the lawsuit to the company at that point.

My concern here is just somebody saying, look, this is the public walkway. I'm trying to use the steps. They had that advertisement on the stairs, and it messed up my depth perception, fell forward, and knocked out my teeth, and it's the city's fault.

Well, when you're walking forward, you'll never see it. You can only see it when you're going up. Walking up the stairs, they face plant forward. You can't see anything unless you're standing back from the stairs. The visual is when you're way back and looking that far. Yeah, you can't make out what the whole thing is. You just vote against it, Chad. It's okay. It's not going to hurt my feelings. This is a pilot program, and what we asked the city manager to do was see if it was... My point was make sure that the Coastal Commission doesn't have to approve this. We know on... Anyway, we know that they don't.

And I'm not trying to throw water on it. No, it's okay. I'm just concerned about the liability aspect of it. You're still my buddy. Yeah. I love you, bitch.

I don't care.

But we're good with the Coastal, right? Yeah.

And does, I'll ask you, it's your problem. But, and then just, this is really also because people are asking questions, right? So I think it's good that we get granular on this.

They asked you, they never asked me, it was my proposal, but that's all right, go ahead.

You're famous, you know. Is the, we're not going on the top of this.

No, it's just going to go on the riser. It's just going to go on the rise. You're not on the stair where your feet will be.

But we don't have projections on it. That's what was taking a while, you were saying? We couldn't figure out the revenue projections because we don't know what people are willing to pay. Got it. Understood.

So we don't know. We're guessing it's going to be somewhere between $5,000 and $7,000 per advertisement. And there's been a company that's come to us that wants to do it, but there hasn't been a price discussed yet with the advertising agency.

All right, good.

Yeah, I'd like to move that. Second.

Councilman Groll.

No.

Councilman Kennedy.

Yes.

Hold on a second. Mayor Pro Tem Twyney.

Yes.

Mayor McKeon. Yes. Councilman Burns.

Aye.

Councilwoman Vandermark. Yes. Councilman Williams.

No.

Item passes 5-2. All right.

Do I have a motion and a second to adjourn?

Mayor, before we adjourn, I just want to remind the council during public comment that we really need to let the public speak. Let's not get engaged in back and forth debate with the public. It's really their opportunity. You can ask them for blue cards or whatever, but Let's avoid engaging with the public during public comment.

All right. The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Huntington Beach City Council Public Finance and Authorities, Tuesday, July 21st, 2026, in the Civic Center Council Chambers, 2000 Main Street, Huntington Beach, California. Good night, everyone.

Thank you.