City Council - Regular Meeting

What we have witnessed over the The last several weeks has been horrifying. I have seen profound fear, panic, and grief among our community members who are being directly targeted as well as a deep frustration and helplessness from those who want to help but feel powerless to do so. I have felt the weight of this personally both in recognizing the limitations of our authority as a city and in seeing the very real human impact of these events at local level. Personally, these experiences have led me to wrestle with this question. What does effective leadership look like in this moment? It is a question I ask myself daily as I move about my In my life, I've also posed this to fellow mayors across the metro, to local organizations and businesses, to residents, city staff, and even my own family as we all attempt to navigate this unprecedented time. Truthfully, it remains a difficult question to answer. The answer looks different depending on who you ask. I've heard a wide range of perspectives, proposed strategies, uninforcable local ordinances, multi-ity signed letters, press conferences, social media statements, and participation in protests. I understand the intent behind each one of those approaches. At their core is a shared desire to oppose the current conditions impacting our community and to protect the safety and dignity of our residents. This is a moment to express my gratitude and support for our Chaza Police Department, which means committed to public safety while holding trust,

transparency, and strong community relationships. Our police department has been outstanding example of what community policing should be and I wholeheartedly trust you to serve and protect our community. When I speak in my role as mayor, I not only speak for myself, but I also speak for the broader community. My words and actions must always strive to live up to our community and reflect the shared values we hold dear. These values are not reserved for moments of just celebration. They're meant to guide us through unrest and tragedy as well. They bind us together with the intention to strengthen our community, not divided. I am acutely aware that my words carry weight. They can help or they can cause harm. Actions that may be appear helpful on the surface can unintentionally place our most vulnerable vulnerable residents at greatest risk. In this moment, my priority is to walk alongside of those are most vulnerable to ensure they do not suffer through retaliation or harm. I understand this approach may be disappointing to some. It may be it is just as uncomfortable for me to resist my instinct to speak out loudly and publicly against acts of inhumity. However, the time I have spent listening to and working with affected community members has reaffirmed that this discomfort is a small price to pay for the greater good. Silence in this case is not always the same as complicity. At this moment, I choose quiet leadership. I choose to continue to be present for those in need. I choose to listen with empathy. And I choose to embrace the inherent worth and dignity

that each of us deserve as human beings. and as members of the CHASA community. That is my statement. And I know it starts off on a somber note. Um I apologize for that. Um but I I'm grateful to see um our police uh here and um and uh I I think we can maybe move on with the rest of the meeting and do uh adopt the agenda and everything. But I would also welcome I know we have visitor presentations, but um I don't know if our chief wants to say a few words. I don't want to put you on the spot at all if you don't. So, I'll give you a few I'll give you a moment here to think it through and we'll we'll adopt the agenda at least. Okay. Okay. Um All right. So, next on the agenda is to adopt the agenda. And so, does anybody have any additions or corrections to the agenda? Otherwise, I'd entertain a motion to adopt.

Motion to adopt the agenda. Second. All right, I have a motion from council member Hatfield and a second from council member Chevlin. All those in favor say I. I oppos. All right, agenda is adopted and then that brings us along to visitor presentation. Would you like to say a few words, Chief? I was not planning on speaking

but a few short comments I would like to express. On the flip side of it, I'd like to thank you for your leadership also in that council and at least on behalf of CPD, nothing has changed in the way that we serve our community. We still value community engagement, community policing, and kind of a a topic that could be described as co policing and that's recognizing that the police are a part of the community and making sure that how we police is a representation of our community's values. So, nothing has changed in the way that we valuing partnerships just like we have for years. So again, thank you as well. Obviously, this is an unprecedented time. There's many challenges ahead of us, but I have complete confidence in our staff at the police department and citywide to continue to do the right thing.

Thank you so much. The one thing I did want to add to this is, you know, things on on the outside for people seeing our police department and and how they go about their business uh dayto-day may not look different. Uh but the thing that people aren't seeing uh is the tremendous amount of hours that Ryan has put into planning for the worst and hoping for the best. uh to make sure that our community is safe, uh that we're ready to deal with issues if issues uh should arise and just the passion he has in making sure that this community uh thrives. Um I've seen it for going on a month now. Um he must be exhausted uh by by everything that's uh gone on. And again, he he doesn't show it now and we don't see it uh in in what we see in day-to-day services, but I just want everybody to know um just how tremendously proud I am to work with somebody like Ryan, uh you know, you know, doing the stuff that he's doing and planning and preparing.

[applause] Thank you. Um, yes, thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Uh, now we're moving on to our regularly scheduled visitor presentation. So, we're going to start with 5A, which is Aaron Kuzna. Come on up. You are going to be discussing the APWA Engineering Technician of the Year Award. Speaking of somebody we're all proud to work with. Yes, we have excellent excellent staff here.

All right. Um I will I will kick this off mayor and council. My name is Eric Dumpkey. I'm grateful to be here tonight to honor Eron and receiving this award that you just announced. um know many of you but uh I often don't give presentations any more than that and others they cover those those things but uh the principal of Sante for the past 28 years and just 10 years with this guy um at the podium with me is somebody else you might know Chadman he's serves both as the public works director and city engineer for the city of Edina so two hats and he also serves with me on the APWA awards committee. Some of you may remember from last year just here I was just here last year had the opportunity to present you with the APWA project of the year award for truck 41. Um the Minnesota chapter of APWA has over 1100 members across the state of Minnesota representing V public works agencies, private consulting firms and other industry vendors. What we do is advocate on a portion of issues pertaining to public works and the services provided locally within the communities that we serve as well as at the state level. Additionally, we organize provide certified training for our members, other public works professionals of which Aaron throughout his career has been actively part of those things being true ambassador for the overall importance of public works in our communities as well as train.

Lastly, I'll just share a little bit about the awards the mission of the awards committee that I chair background recognized for tonight. Um the awards committee is made up of a dozen people. Both Chad and I serve on that committee. Each year we solicit nom nominations for projects of the year as well as personnel awards across the state of Minnesota each year. received several nominations and reviewing them is a time consuming but very enjoyable process. Determining the winners isn't always the easiest thing to do because of the diversity of things you're considering one project or one personel nomination for. But I can tell you certain public professionals really stand out. I'm confident to say that Aaron's nomination might be one of the quickest awards that and I have been part of nominating and then awarding to to the date that I served on the committee and stood out not just physically but

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uh but but but professionally I've known him for over 10 years he is truly worthy of deserving of this engineering technician of the year award lastly just a little about the award itself. To be considered for the award, the following criteria must be met. One must demonstrate innovative applications for new and existing technologies and equipment. Demonstrate innovative applications of new existing project management or service delivery systems. Provide outstanding service to citizens that enhance the public perception of public works and services. Demonstrates outstanding efforts made in the career of personal growth and development. I've developed outstanding efforts demonstrate outstanding efforts in the development of teamwork and cooperative. I can tell you that checked all these boxes and with that I'm turn it over to Chad for a few personal words about

Thank you, mayor, members of council. Chad Milner, city of Edina. Happy to be here and happy to recognize Aaron. I was his direct supervisor for three years before he came here. So before you guys stole him from the D, I was able to be his supervisor. [laughter] Happy for him to come here and really excel. You can clearly we can talk about Aaron and his project management skills and his people skills and that's why he won the award. But I got one other story that's kind of funny. I think he does so well because he balances and has a little fun at work. So we were adding two uh office spaces at public works and we had the carpenters in after hours and they accidentally tripped and grabbed the fire extinguisher fire uh sprinkler system and broke the and it was running and running and running and didn't know where the valve was. So, he came in to work the next day and there was just water everywhere. And I have a picture that comes up in some of my meetings at work where Aaron's standing outside my office and there was enough water where he could splash his toes in. He could see the water going and I'm sure he had some comment about if we were going to enjoy the new employee swimming pool at public work. So, [laughter] I'm just honored to be able to say a few words for Aaron and he definitely uh deserves this award. So, thank you.

[applause] want to say a few words here really quick. I think uh engineering likes to keep things short and sweet if we can. Um I wouldn't be here today without some of the people that have set me up for success. Um like you said 11 10 and a half 11 years ago I was in a little office across the room and I was in my suit and tie for an interview here in engineering. Matt Clark and Bill Monk at the time. Bill Monk looked at me and said you think the get you any points. You got something coming. [laughter]

No, in all honesty, um, cutting my teeth in, you know, St. Michael community and any diners where you really learn to kind of sell reconstructions because that's what we did a lot, right? People's front yards day in and day out. Coming to Chaza, it's been awesome. I think uh you start thinking of most of my job has been up on the hill like up on top with the Wagner reconstructor, all the corn fields, right? Turning over the corn fields into the neighborhoods. That's I found um really rewarding when we we come through um other day-to-day things when I they plant me up at MSB to sit uh in my desk, I kind of help as a a hub to all the other departments. Um and you know, seeing the electrical something happens with our electrical grid in town, how fast they react. It's mindblowing, right?

Um just last Friday, somebody was talking about noise in the water tower. They're going to climb our water tower to see if there's ice in the water tower. shouldn't happen is the agitator. So, that's just the day-to-day things that I see up there. Um, public works, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the story last summer. Um, this goes as the other duties as assigned. Um, Matt, you may or may not know this one, but Friday, I got a call from Jung and uh across the street. Actually, uh, Matt Hendendrickson graduated from Warren. That's where I grew up and he was a few years older than me, but we knew each other in high school. and it was to meet him in in the cemetery because they needed a pal, somebody to help carry somebody across the cemetery. And it was just kind of surreal to be like, okay, you're an engineering technician. You do lots of different things, but I' never done something like that. So, it was just kind of a a neat neat story to be able to say, you know, today that was the other duty as a sign is we're going to be a pair today. Vulcan and I helped him out to bring somebody across the cemetery and left the family and that was just kind of something something you don't see every day.

Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity to thank you guys. Uh thank APWA Matt. Thank you. You're guys are awesome leaders. Um and thank you for the opportunity to let me present this award publicly. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] You know, nobody is better at working with the with the public than Aaron. He does just a great job. But the other talent he has is [clears throat] if you watch a Vikings game on TV,

I guarantee you if you watch every game during the season, there'll be at least four games where they they zoom in right on right on Cuz he's got some crazy outfit on that he's wearing. So, uh he he's the crazy fan in the uh in the stands. That's awesome. Thank you, Aaron, so much. And congratulations and thank you for all of your hard work for making Amazing.

All right, that that moves us down to Eric Hansen, Southwest Transit 2025 year in review. Hey, good evening, uh, city council mayor and members of the staff. Um, I just have a kind of a very brief presentation. I'm probably going to go this way a little bit because, um, I have a This is the fourth time I've been here.

Okay. So just just kind of a few things just in general about Southwest transit. We are your transit provider. We provide service and then in addition to that under contract with Victoria and the city of Carver. We go to uh places u like downtown Minneapolis and uh the U as well as over to the airport, you know, through Bloomington um and a few other places too with our Southwest Prime Service. But this is our 40th year. Um and um we are kind of we're going to be spending some more time through the course of the year kind of celebrating that I guess you could say. Um but it is our 40th year. Um we operate like I said under that joint powers agreement with those three cities. Um we are you know by measures of writership um in terms of how many people use our service the fastest growing uh system in the state of Minnesota and we're pretty excited about that. Um we grew about 14% this year uh year-over-year in terms of writership um which is actually a lot. Um there's some uh actually most have either of the agencies around the state have either kind of flat or they're even, you know, declining a little bit in terms of writership. And there's a couple reasons for that. You know, number one is because we've been adding some new services like the service to the airport um as well as some growth in some of our existing services. And so um we really kind of spend a lot of time listening to what people want. Um, and I'm going to talk about that in a second because that's kind of an important point. Um, we get so about 614,000 people rode uh last year with our services. Um, our customers surveys are pretty consistent. They show us generally in in the 90s in terms of customer satisfaction. So, we survey our bus routes. We survey people on Southwest Prime when they ride that and

we survey our special events. depending on on the service. Um, Southwest Prime is a little bit less, but but uh but generally speaking, people give us very high marks for that. Um, this last one is actually really important. Um, more important than you realize, and it'll make sense a little bit later in the presentation, but the original law, like I said, we're 40 years old. So, the original law that created us, that allowed us to say we're not going to be a part of Metro Transit anymore. We want to have our own transit service. um legislation said that we have to be as effective and efficient as metrotransit um and that's kind of the way the law is written. So, one of the things that comes out every year is called the region regional route analysis. And they were comparing um and this is comparing kind of our express bus service to downtown versus Metrotransit's express bus services which come from other parts of the city. And there's a measure called subsidy per ride. And that's basically how many taxpayer dollars do we put into the system every single time a person rides. and Southwest Transit was at $12.7 and Metro Transit was at $1542 in 2024. Uh we don't have the 2025 data yet, but but I think that's a pretty good indication of the value that we provide, you know, for our citizens. And I think that's important for you to remember. And we also report to the National Transportation Database what percentage of our overhead, what percentage of our budget is in different categories. And that's all publicly available data. 2023, our overhead cost as a percentage of total. Our operating cost was also less than most metro transit. So from our perspective, we think we are meeting the mission of providing an efficient service um in comparison to Metro Transit. Um and so that's kind of exciting. Um the next one is actually kind of an interesting slide too. Um we do a community in addition to doing

regular surveys, we do a community survey every year. So, we did one this year. We do one not every year. We do one every two years, but we did one in the fall of 2025. Um, and we and we did, as you can see, one in 2023 and one in 2020 2019. And we asked the same question all three years. Uh, statistically valid survey by Morris Leatherman. And they asked the question how they feel about Southwest Transit. I really love that second graph. You know, that you can see those kind of positive rankings going up from 35 to 42 to 53. And if you add up all the positive in comparison to the negative, it's 61% positive and 14% negative. So, we're really proud of that number. We asked them how they felt about Metro Transit and the numbers weren't quite as good. But, but we think that people like the service that we provide. Um, and we appreciate the support of the community. Um, and a little bit of information about Chaza specifically since we're in Chaza. Um the first one is is that we we kind of track, you know, how many people on our Southwest Prime service come into Chaza, go out of Chesa, and are kind of within Chaza. So last year we had 17,984 people ride from Chesca to some other part of the service area. 15,692 people come into the community and another 16,125 people are like a Chaza to Chaska kind of situation. um Chaza, particularly downtown Chaza, and if you go up 41, you know, over to where, you know, Target and Cub Foods and Home Depot is, that's one of our denser service areas. And when you look at the heat map, there's more writership there kind of there, and you know, kind of the central part of Eden Prairie are our two most used areas. And you're shaking your head like, "Yeah, that makes sense." You know, and I I think I think so I think it's a very valuable [snorts] service particularly for that central part of the community in Chaza. Um and in addition to that um we had about 24

25,000 people um leave uh East Creek Station or about 68 a day uh to go downtown. And so that's also a wellused uh station. And so that's kind of specifically what's going on in Chaza. Um the last thing that I want to mention and which is one of the reasons why I was kind of setting a lot of this stuff up is our legislative agenda. We really do appreciate your support. Um, last fall, as you all know, passed a resolution of support uh for us. Um, we're kind of in it. This this happens periodically, you know, where somebody from Met Council or somebody in the legislature says, well, you know, why do you guys exist way out there? Why don't you just all be part of Metro Transit and wouldn't that be better? And there's really a couple things that people say as to why they like that. And I've talked to a lot of legislators about this. One is, well, it's an equity argument. Well, you know, folks in the center part of the city should have, you know, service because you guys, you know, you can just drive and you don't need it out here, which we don't think is true, uh, for a couple reasons. Number one is because people use our service. But number two is is that we know there are people that specifically need our service. I mean, I can tell you that based on our community surveys that people who use Southwest Prime, about 52% of them are what you would call transit dependent. In other words, they wouldn't use the service. They wouldn't be able to get where they're going because they don't have access to a car or can't drive or whatever reason. So, we know there's an actual need here. Um, the second thing that they would say is that, well, you know, I mean, it would be a lot more efficient and we'd save a whole bunch of money if we just, you know, had one transit service as opposed to two. Well, I mean, I I think the numbers that you saw that I showed you a little bit earlier kind of, you know, refute that a little bit, but those are the things that you hear. And so, my understanding is that there are some folks in the legislature that are

interested in running a a bill to either to reform us in some way. Um and um thank you for your support in opposing that legislation and we're going to be you know providing more information about that. Just today I think it might have been Friday. It was either Friday or today um we posted a link on our website um called legislative action. So there's more information on our website. You know if anybody's listening to this um would like to be able to see kind of what that is all about and how they can do as citizens to help us and help make the Southwest Transit can still provide the services that we continue to provide, you know, for the community. Um, and so, you know, engaging in your legislators. I mean, I I I feel really good about, you know, and I've I've talked to the people who represent Chaza as well as the rest of Carver County. I think we have a lot of support here. Um, of course we want to reach other people as well because, you know, we we only have a portion of the state legislature that represent us and we really appreciate your support and your help with that and that's a kind of a big initiative for this this year as we and lobby the state legislature for uh continued uh support for Southwest Transit. So with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have. And of course, I I would be remiss if I didn't say that Council Member Hatfield, first of all, is the chair of Southwest Transit this year and was just elected to that. So, she's had one meeting uh so far, actually, too, if you include the one you did as the vice chair. And and Council Member Grow, of course, is your other representative and is in his second year. And so, your community is well represented with that, too. So, um with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions

if there are any. Does anybody have any questions? I have a comment. Um, you guys provide a really valuable service. I sit on the transportation advisory board through the Met Council and

I know some of the discussions that happen and um perspectively you know there's a diverse body of membership in that um in that committee and so it's always sharing the argument that you're right while we are the suburbs there becomes this stereotype that we can just get ourselves you know from point A to point B but that is not always the case and I always think it's interesting that you know we as uh Southwest Transit was a leader in microtransit and at first it was like why are you spending those dollars? Well, you were like you said listening

to the needs of the people needing that um transportation and then you were able to provide routes that you knew were popular and you're continually to evolve that service and now it's being done on a broader level with those other agencies. And so it really shows that that works. And so you do provide an invaluable service for our community. And I was actually up at the 212 center two weeks ago and there were two gentlemen sitting on a bench and they're frustrated. I was walking in and I said I said hi. And they're like oh they're like we're still waiting for our metro mobility bus to get here. Yeah.

And I said how long have you two been waiting? And they said an hour and a half. And I said you guys where do you live? where are you going to? They said we live in Chesca. I said you should be using Southwest Transit. You would not be sitting in this position. So um you guys provide like a reliable, quick, valuable service and um we will stand, you know, with you to make sure that we continue to have that in our community to serve our community because that's what we pay our tax money into.

I think that's well said, mayor, and I I really appreciate that and you're right. you know, we put tax money into it and I live in Carver County myself, you know, in the service area and we we our citizens deserve to have benefit from that and and um I think you're illustrating very well what would happen if we we're run by Metro Transit as we get Metroility, which is a fine service in of itself, but

you have it takes a lot longer. They give you a couple hour window. you have to call ahead, you know, 24 hours ahead. And that doesn't always work for everybody. You know, our with our microtransit service, our average uh median actually for how quickly we get there is 23 minutes. You know, you get on an app, you know, on in median, it will get there in about 23 minutes, you know, which is not quite as fast as an Uber, but it's also not as expensive an Uber, too. And so um and so yeah, I mean we we pride ourselves in providing a good level of service and we want to continue to do that and our citizens your citizens deserve that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

I don't know if if uh anybody else wants to

No, I think that was a great review of the year and I think we all know how valuable Southwest Transit is to us and in the different ways it gets us around and community events and things. And one thing I thought was interesting, we strategic retreat um a couple weekends ago and saw the full results from the um survey, the community survey. And one thing that really stood out to me and I think is such a big part of our story is just how essential transit is to everything. Um it it helps with, you know, food insecurity that you can take it to the grocery store. It helps you don't have a car, you need to get to work. Um all of those things. So it is really an essential service and oftentimes we look at it as a nice to have because you know I took it to Taylor Swift or I might take it to my corporate job or like those are the things we think of but really what I thought was interesting in these survey results is an increase in people taking it for work. Um running errands meaning they probably they maybe don't have a cars in the shop or something. Running errands they need to get grocery um medical appointments. uh school, those things are all up um in usage. So, it's it's truly not just um a nice to have it. It really is an essential service and I'm grateful we have it. Um and of course, it it requires, you know, just personally extra time of me to to do this, but it's something I'm willing and happy to do for our community because I see how important it is. I will say I made not the mistake, but I I spoke too, you know, excitedly about transit years ago and now I'm chair of the board and that's what happens.

Careful what you ask for.

You get too excited. No, but really it is it is so essential and I see that and I think that's why um I spoke so fervently about it is it really is important. I um my neighbors for many years of the Southwest Transit Prime vehicle pulls up um every single day and I'm sure they're taking it to work. I haven't personally asked them but probably taking it to work. Comes every day about the same time. Um, and so I can't imagine if they didn't have access to that, you know, what that does. And so it just really, it does build community. And I think that's what originally, you know, part of the opt- out reason was was we we wanted to be able to really be able to build within our communities. And I'm grateful for Chanhassen and Eden Prairie for um all they do and go along for the ride with us and in a joint powers agreement. Um, it's really interesting.

Like a pun that was intended, right? Um, So, I I'm grateful for for them and as well. It's really cool to see three cities come to work together, three very different cities come together and work um and have have this. And I'm grateful for Eric and staff for um all they do. And really, it's been continued innovation and um including hiring a I'm gonna get his title wrong. Director of innovation. Yeah, we actually hired somebody to be a director of innovation. Yeah, that's right.

So, very exciting things and I think you know we Eric mentioned it the the along Highway 41 and that's an opportunity for maybe a fixed route at some point. And those are the kinds of things they're working on to say how can we get people to and from and meet those needs. And mayor, you mentioned that like using that and that's uh just so thoughtful. So I'm grateful for the service and um grateful Eric for coming and sharing with the with the council. It is really an important year to tell these stories um to talk about it um not just here but with our legislators and um you know I'm grateful for our Carver County commissioners. They heard from um a from Bolton and M right

it was it was Stantech Stantech. Oh my gosh. So many different companies um from Stantech on uh the transit uh I can't think of words today. transit study that was done for the county. Um and so grateful for their um support and looking into that and uh excited to see kind of where the where we go over the next year. You want to add anything?

Took everything from me. No, I I I echo all that. I uh been on it you said two years. She gave me more time than I thought. It's been a little over a year and a little year. Maybe it's been two. I don't know. Um, I just been appreciative of getting to know the people, the staff, uh, and consider myself one of those individuals that maybe, you know, hadn't personally used it other than going to Chesco State Championship game and some of the different events.

But I do think there's a lot of the community that just sees buses, right? And and and getting to learn and understand the the background and why it's important. And you know I I will when you know talk to community members and they'll say like well why do we you know well I think you know to the question metro transit could do that. It's like, yeah, you know, I I really think things like the basic services are good. We talked about, but you know, the heart of it were that moment when you really need it, like you want to go build community and you want to go to, you know, my kids still remember uh they were much younger now, but riding the bus to watch Chaza play in the state tournament, right? Um I I don't know this for a fact, but I'm pretty sure Metro Transit isn't bringing a bus out here to bring us there, right?

You know, that's speculative, but I'm pretty confident in that statement. Um, and that builds community and and being a part of that community and having the joint powers agreement and under how we can build the community has been so important. So, I've appreciate it. Thank you for coming out and providing that update. Thank you, C. Appreciate.

I would agree. Actually, it's a different story. Um, so my husband's a pilot and we live in the East Creek neighborhood right across the street from East Creek Transit. Um, and there's not a bus that goes early enough because he usually has to be at 5:00 a.m. flight. Um, so he used the prime because that was I mean, yes, he has a car. He would drive to the airport and pay $70 a day that you park at the airport for a six day trip, which is not economically savvy. So, he would call Prime and they would come to the house at 4:00 and get him every time he had a shift and then take it back in six days later. And it was a lifesaver for us because he was able to get a ride that was going to be on time. He was going to get him to the airport on time. And the few times that he has taken his truck and parked, you have to park in the ramp, you have to take the into the airport to go through security differently. So we said it was so helpful at the morning to just be dropped right at the door security and be able to get on your plane to get it ready for everybody else rather than deal with parking your car train. So just another example of someone who definitely has a car and has the means to be able to drive it but for his position it was so much more beneficial to call him.

Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that for for people I mean, this I I kind of push back on this idea that transit is only for people that don't have a car. I mean, I don't think that's true. I mean, I I take transit here obviously with our system, but when I go to other parts of the world, I take transit there or other cities in this country and take transit fully capable of, you know, if I want to to drive, you know, but it's just it's it's it's a good thing to do. you know, it takes people off the roads. There's some sustainability issues associated with that. I mean, there's a lot of good reasons, you know, to take transit. Um, and so, yeah, I think building community and all the economic issues are huge. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. Thank you so much. I appreciate your story. Appreciate your service. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you updated or we'll let Michaela and John. [laughter] All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right, that moves us down to uh Lisa or Commissioner Anderson and Commissioner Udman for the Carver County update. Come on down. Thank you both for being here. Oh, thank you for having us. Okay, this this is gonna be hard because

Okay, we're fine. Um, uh, so I've been on I've been on the board for, uh, for a year and, um, thought it would be fun to kind of come and and present to you. Now, we did have slides. Do we have those up? Did we want to show? We will get those. We have them in our packet. She will probably We can or we can't. So, just to say, um, I don't know if this goes without saying, but I am the shortest commissioner. [laughter] I may be the tallest but by a foot. Yeah, you maybe you you maybe um so we'll we'll go ahead and get started unless you we wanted to wait for those. These are easier to read.

Yeah. All good. All good. Well, we just want to introduce ourselves. So Oh, we are working our magic right. We can move on to the next one. So,

uh wanted to introduce Yes. our next slide. um and to show that in Carver County we have five districts and um Chaska is split up between myself and Commissioner Udman and so that's why we thought we would come here today and just kind of do a brief update for you. So the next slide if you want to bring it up. Last year we had an opportunity to update our strategic plan. So you can see our mission and our vision up there. And we really focused on these strategic priorities um taxpayer value and and customer service and our physical a assets and people are our strength. Now let's admit that this isn't the most mind um blowing strategic plan but this sort of is a reflection of what we do in the county. We are sort of a lot of people when I Um, we're sort of the level of government that happens when you don't even know what's what's going on. We people don't think about whether they're riding on a driving on a county road versus a city road. And that's the way we want it. And they don't realize that when they go into the Chaza Library, it's county staff serving them. And the DMV is county staff serving them. And and that's okay. But those are some of the services we provide. Anything else you want to say on this?

Stay with physical assets. Obviously, we know that we partner a lot on roads. Highway 41 and um 10 have been pretty hot topics. A lot of roundabouts to get here. I live in Chaska. Kids go to school in Chaska, so we get to hear it at all the mayor right now. We get to hear it on the sidelines. We get to hear it when we're out about to eat, all the things. But, um that's true collaboration. Then last week, and then chief left, but a couple months ago, we had a chance to see the public safety building. And I know a lot of people have talked about it, but what Chaz has done really good is articulate the need and the why behind it. We'll do the same thing with our buildings. And yeah, it's a lot in taxes, but everybody can see the value and see it coming out of the ground. We do the same thing for ours. And so we took a little bit of cue out of what you guys were doing and plan for the uh the 600 building at downtown Carver. But we had a chance to go through the building in conversations like these. We also meet quarterly with your mayor. Um uh we get to see where there might be overlap. So there might be opportunities for us to save taxpayer money. some of those conversations. For instance, we may look into utilizing some of the space that you guys have within your buildings when we display some of our employees when we have to build something up. We had some meaningful conversation of how did this get position that position. So, our assistant county administrator will be meeting with your staff to figure out those things and those are the collaboration things that sometimes maybe we miss out on or the public doesn't see. I don't know if we mentioned our county administrators here.

Um, Dave Hemsy, he's still better that left. County some years ago. Um but uh we also with Dave and the team um Lisa and I are the newest to the board and to the team. Um but Dave's the most senior member of the metro and so we have the benefit of him knowing probably more than most of the administrators and being able to navigate some of this stuff. Not by age. Not by age. It is true. All good. All good. Dave looks the same now as he did 26 years ago. [laughter] He he never ages.

It's all that ice fishing. All right, we can kind of go uh to the to the next slide. So, these are again, Commissioner Udman did a nice job of kind of sharing some of the services we we provide. Um Carver County funds the sheriff's department. Um we're a unique county where other than Chaza uh all the other cities use um contract services for their sheriff's department and uh and we also have uh the fun county attorney's office and health and human services and public works and parks and you'll see a little bit more of that. Um I mentioned library services, veterans and so just a lot of the services that we partner with and again This partnership is really important because uh I believe that local politics is a is a team sport and I think we here in Carver County do a nice job of showing other government entities how it's done and how we work together to to the betterment of our community and we also have some other relationships and I I'll let Commissioner talk about some of those the CDA and some of those other things.

So we talk about the stay in your lane but when it comes to Highway 41 the big ones sometimes go outside of our lane and then there's kind of those quasi relationships as it relates to the community development agency and historic society. Two of the entities that we can give money to as a county that aren't um that aren't necessarily under our domain would be the historic society. Um and um we approved the budget that goes over to the CDA which is housing related. Of course, you guys touched the CDA with projects that are within your space. Through COVID, we accelerated four projects um record number of incremental housing units. We saw three complexes go up in Carver. You guys, Chaza has led when it comes to affordable or um accessible housing. Um and so those are those are a couple organizations. The other one is that we can give money to the Carver County Fair. So, I think there's some residents from that make their way out there. I know people have businesses in make their way out there. Um, but that's another entity where we don't necessarily have the heavy hand on it or we don't necessarily make all the decisions, but we partner with them to make sure those amenities are available. Which leads us nicely into the next slide, which is where we spend the money,

which is where we spend the money. Uh, I think it's it's really important that people understand where the dollars go. And as you can see, uh, the majority of our money is really spent on health and human services and the county sheriff. and and it's really about public safety and in in two different ways. Uh so those are the two biggest ones obviously operations and and what it does uh all those things that that keep the county running. Um, but our roads and bridges, our county attorney, libraries, you see the general government, which is if you want your marriage license, if if you want a death certificate, all of those documents that you need in order to continue to do to to do work here. And then we do an enormous amount of land and water environment. Um, I know it was a huge headline for us this year and you're very interested in all the ditch assessments, uh, redistributions we did, so that may not have affected you as much, but it was super interesting. Um, and then of course, uh, parks as well. So, those are just some of the areas that we really touch and it's about 21% of property taxes when the Carver County or the Chaza resident pays to Carver County. said differently. This is for your levy dollars. So if you look at an average house value, we're finally this year we'll tip over half a million is the median house value. A little bit higher on the eastern side of the county, a lot less on the western side of the county. And so it hits people's ears a little bit differently. A median house value about 1% of that value annually goes to the county. Roughly 1% goes to the city and roughly 1% goes to the school district. So when you break this down, think last year 75 to$80 million with a levy. Um but On top of that is a couple

hundred million dollar capital projects. Each of the last three years we had overund million road construction projects. The largest um that we've spent on roads in our history. And so this is a really helpful graphic when people come at the wrong meeting the wrong time or um challenging their taxes and whatnot is to see that and to talk about where their dollars are going. It doesn't include the revenues that we generate providing contract services through the sheriff's department or other sources of revenue. Those have been hot topic items as well. And then I'll point out $5 out of 100 library. That's for the libraries across the county. And so we have the major libraries, then we have some smaller libraries. And last year we um we stepped into the space of having expanded access libraries. We we learned from some of our peers, the most immediate peers in Scott County to say what would it look like if you could tap in to your library with your library card and have expanded access. We tested it in Victoria. Sometimes our library hours start at noon. Sometimes they start at 1 or three or what have you. With their library card you through the library, you can use your card more or less like you can imagine before hours and after hours. So essentially with the generosity of a patron that donated about a million dollars to the library several years ago, the first three years of testing give us 3,000 incremental hours at our libraries for no cost to the taxpayers. We wanted to do that before the library gets built because we think it' be a great feature to have, but we wanted to work out some of those things. It looks like we're going to probably accelerate it to America. a second test case as well. And so those are the things where it's not lost on you guys. It's really not lost on ours in the next three years. We'll be seeing a lot of shift from the federal government and the state government. If you're Republican, you probably don't like walls. If you're a Democrat, you probably don't like Trump, but there's a lot of shift that's happening to our budget. And if you want to talk about our breakdown of the 8%, I think it's helpful to see that

and we would do that in a in a later slide. All right. Can I ask just one question real quick? Yeah. For the dollars spent Do they also pay to the Parker County Sheriff because there are certain loans the sheriff does or is that not part of their own? I'm just wondering. No, that's a good question and I do believe they do. Okay. Um however, uh the contracted services like with the city of Victoria and the city of Chan, they pay in more because they pay those contracted services. It's like a So yes, so it's not the same as others. Yeah. obviously the jail and things like that. Yeah, the detention services and other things that so we still partner a lot.

I knew we shared on that. I just wanted to understand in case somebody hear like why don't public safety because public safety needed to expand and just understand it's important at some point there's a base level service and cities have a bad car if they want somebody at certain times they want service they So, we're exploring that for other services. I just had one question on this slide, too, since we're on it. Um, the the roads and bridges, is that include the dollars that are like set aside from the sales tax, you know, because the county gets like a percentage. So, this is like operating. Okay.

Yeah, this is operating. Okay. A and also keep in mind that there was quite a bit of pass through money. So the amount of money that we spent on uh Ingler and that we're spending on on 212 and five, some of that is coming from the state federal government. So this 11% is really preventative. Is that correct? pointing the roads, maintaining the road, all that stuff. But I will also say that we have leader meetings and leader meetings were coming out of Jonathan like oh my gosh we have to do something that one more roundabout

where you got state, you got city, you got county and we're like okay is there any way to accelerate this because we had savings off of Highway 5 on our bid. Is there a way we can drop some of those back to our community when it becomes time issues and so yes, we can play with a little bit of the capital dollars pretty sure that makes sense. Okay. Yeah, thanks. Good point.

All right, so let's look at some of those be behind the numbers and and you'll see um you know again we spend uh money on Chesca on our libraries and and we have already kind of started planning for that that Chesca library. We had We had a had a lovely uh field trip to to look at at new libraries and we really want to partner and we're lucky that we're really blessed to have our mayor and this city administrator and this group so that we can really work hand inand in developing that library and we've already kind of come up with cost um cutting cost savings for for building that. So, we see that. We see um the bridge underneath um what what did we call that? Oh, the Minnesota River Regional Trail. Um and then and then with the llama there. That's one of my favorite um [laughter] yeah,

yeah. Yeah. So, so that's kind of fun. So, these are just some of the projects that we worked on this year, including um the grand opening of the family resource center. And I to do.

So, the family resource center is something that was just opened in November, and it's an opportunity to really reach out to the residents of Carver County, but it's in in helping them um better support their families and provides an enormous amount of resources. So, uh that is a Carver County project and we really wanted to make sure that that was in downtown Chesca because we felt like that was going to be the most accessible for the residents of Chesca and the rest of Carver County. So, I wanted to kind of pass that out that information out to you on how we're supporting the residents of Chesca here. What else did I miss on that? your point we do

so much reading material

and you know so much concentrated in there's been so many projects 41 10 the roundabouts 82nd street and I just want to key in on 82nd street because it's a joint deal when I came in it was like oh my gosh there's no way we're going to get 82nd street done because chaska is not going to be ready until 2030 or 2045 and so it's like well how do we do it without punishing so we got to by I think he started with it knew the needs of CHA at the time Lucy Ram carried it through the finish lineman was there as well so $10 million of funding made sure that didn't necessarily have to contribute to 82nd Street essentially that opens up the path behind the arborum is the last remaining area for you guys to develop and then that leads to when the McNight bridge is fixed and that leads into Pioneer I mean these are complex things that are going on so while I appreciate your comments earlier there's things going on in the world. The mundane stuff that isn't sexy according to our board chair within the county and working with you are the things that are getting done because we are seeing a building of traffic. We are the fastest growing county in the state. We are the most affluent which means i.e. a lot more demands from some people that want to phone it in and say what are you going to do about this tomorrow? The pioneer project is slated for 2030. I mean we're out five or six years on the planning a lot of this stuff. 212. Nobody thought it was ever going to be done, but now that's the gateway. You guys are going to build up and then that means that the city of Carver is going to be built out and everything down what I call the road to gold on 212. And so there's a lot of pieces of the equation that don't always seem to to work until they pop up. And we're speaking fire because you guys get that our legislative priorities also reflect.

Yeah. And you can kind of keep moving up and those are some of our road construction projects. Um and then yeah, let's jump to our legislative priorities. So, I alluded to it earlier, but um there's significant shifts that are coming from the state and the federal government. These are um shifts where politicians decide to make decisions, but not fun. And so, this year um through the leadership of Hemsy and the rest of our board, we said we're going to break out where our levy is. And so, we ended up with a final levy of 8%, which is a lot. And anybody that says it's not is not plugged in. It's a lot. In fact, our levy grew more than our house did. So, essentially the tax rate went up. Um, and it's challenging times because we're going to see even more shifts this year and the next year and the next year. And so, how do we deal with those? One of the things on our legislative priorities is how do we stop the unfunded mandates? How do we stop them if they're if they're going to shift us away? They send money our way as well. If they don't do that, we have the hard task of saying how much are we going to pass on to the voter? How much are we going to try and find inefficiencies? And how much are we going to stop doing? We like to do fun stuff, but it's awful hard for us to We're right in the middle of everybody in the metro. How do you pay for staff, right? We'll be paying what 101 contracts in the next six months. How do you pay staff with their use they need to and combat inflation as well? That if you give 7% that means your whole budget's going to go up and how do you pay for that? And so we continue to say well 8% we go back to 8% breakdown. 6% was from our year-over-year increases for things we have to do and then another 2% to represent those mandates and if we gave our staff last year 7% this year 7% the math doesn't always work that way so how do we get more and more creative and I think some of those partnerships and finding efficiencies and finding revenue streams I mean that is similar to what you guys do at the golf course finding a way to generate revenue to provide a great um amenity for the local folks and then also

getting focused on if you look at the data from MCIT you'll see that because of the level of cost to live here the 65 plus population is growing faster anyone. The under 18 population is shrinking faster here than almost anyone. And so when you talk about a Miracle Field or you talk about Fireman's Park or you talk about the county parks or libraries, these are amenities that are attracting those 18 plus year old kids or less than that. They're going to attract multi-generations. But if they're not choosing here, they're choosing a lot of other areas. Woodbury, Eden Prairie, Adina, Maple Grove, etc., etc., etc. And we are competing against those folks. And so when there's a new sports complex that's in partnership with different cities as you plan your city as there's the top lots and all the other things we have to be thinking about 20 years my kids are six and 10 are they going to be able to live here in 20 years from affordability are they going to want to live here everybody up here most people up here have kids and so as we look at the legislative priorities that unfunded isn't just the shift of the dollars it's what does the future look like for the next generation as well you want to hit some of the high points and the other ones as well

well and and we don't have to go through these piece by piece. Um but but a couple of them and I do want to say that that Metro Transit opt out is also on there. But let's take um that does not meet criteria that is uh something that used to be funded by so it's it's it's for someone who um is is sitting in a mental health facility that does no longer meets that criteria. And so that used to be funded by the state and now that's passed on to county. And so for 2026, that's a $910,000. Um each percent of our levy is $750,000. So that's a percent of your tax increases is going to to that gentleman who is who is in that facility. So that's kind of an example of these unfunded mandates. So these mandates, if they all happen, some of these are in law or some of these are already proposed legislation. So this is so we're playing defense right now as the county. So if all of these happen, that's an $8 million increase to the county be before before we pay our people before we pay our people cola or anything or add any services. So essentially that's a 10% levy increase from the county side um to our taxpayers before we do anything else. And so that's something that we're really taking seriously and really working on with the with the legislature. And just wanted you to be aware of this that that this is a way that the state government is trying to to uh close their budget by passing it on to us and property taxes. uh and to to the property taxes. And in

my opinion, that's not what property taxes were supposed to be used for. We want the state to to manage their budget so that we can manage ours. So, any questions? Does anyone have any questions? And we can go to the the final slide with our website information. But yes, any questions?

You did. And thank you guys for both coming and giving such a great discussion. I think you're right. Sometimes when people think about the county, they don't always know what services and the same thing goes, you know, for city services, too. I think one of the things I always tell when I talk to like you, they say, "Do you know that there's three jurisdictions for roads? You know that there's state roads and there's county roads and there's city roads." And you don't think about that when you're on them, but we all work together. So, um, thank you guys for taking the time out of your evening to, uh, come and give us this wonderful presentation for our 1.2 million listeners [laughter] to be able to watch. So,

for our four listeners and for you here. [laughter] All right. Well, thank you guys. Thank you so much. All right. That moves us along to approval of the Oh, wait. Is anybody else here for visitor presentation that maybe isn't on the agenda? Oh, and that does not help the

um I don't know. Okay. Well, that moves us along to approval of the previous meeting minutes. These meeting minutes were from um January 5th, 2026. Does anybody have any additions or corrections to the minutes? Entertain a motion for approval. Motion for approval. We have a motion from council member Benich. Second. A second from council member GR. Any other discussion? Otherwise, all those in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. Meetings are [laughter] approved.

I will not touch the G for the rest of the meeting unless it starts buzzing again. Okay. All right. That moves us down to consent items. These items receive little to no discussion, although one of I mean any one of them can certainly be pulled off. Um the uh to be a larger discussion point uh unless anybody has any questions or comments. I just had one comment um on just the appointing the parks and chair Jason Branch and vice chair Liz Weinbean. I feel like I always say her name but did I get it? Okay, good. Um just recognizing uh There are times where the parks board is, you know, probably slower and that is not one of these times right now. So, just grateful for all the effort they're putting into the community park and uh neighborhood parks and the community center. Um, and those two have really um been standouts on that board or to recognize them as we appoint them this year. So, that was it.

Great comments. Yeah, my shared shared thoughts. So, All right. Uh, entertain a motion for approval. Motion to approve consent. All right. Motion from council member Hatfield. Second. Second from council member Benish. Any other discussion? Otherwise, all those in favor say I. I. Opposed.

Bang. The gapple goes. I'm not touching it because I don't want that buzz back. All right. That moves us down to action items. We have uh 8A. You guys don't stick it out, huh? You taking off. Okay. All right. 8A on the uh on the agenda, we have adopt resolution number 2026-4 approving the concept plan on the Hassic property 4245 Big Woods Boulevard, PY Homes PC number 2025-22.

Mayor and Council, this item is coming to you from the planning commission. Uh this is a concept plan for the property that's directly across what will be the future Savannah uh road extension to the south of 44. on the west side of that road and on the east side of 212. Um it's probably worth noting this is one of the last big pieces of residential property to develop uh out in the southwest Ches area. There's still a couple smaller pieces. Uh but for the most part, this is going to wrap up uh the residential down in this area. And it seemed like we just started, but now we're quickly coming to an end. But uh good timing with this as we're moving forward with our park. Uh we have the development to the south and then also we have Savannah uh road that will be extending uh as well uh to help serve this uh development uh future school site and then the park. Um so I'll turn it over to uh which one of you Liz. I'll turn over to Liz uh who can uh go over the uh recommendation coming from the planning commission.

Thank you Matt. Thank you, mayor and council members. We have a concept plan in front of us this evening for the property at 4245 being proposed by homes. Uh the site in question area and the north by county as mentioned this is remaining larger pieces within the southwest area for residential already developed out area. Uh we're at the first step in our three-step review process. Um so we're looking at the introduction of the project. This is more of a high level overview and we start to identify issues and things to work on towards the next steps. In terms of previous occasals that kind of in the surrounding area of the site. 2017 was when the community of the site were purchased by the city. Another purchase agreement school district

In June of 2024 is when High Point Vistas, which is the subdivision south of the site, was approved for 162. situated on the south portion. They will continue to phase through that. And then a more recent um update is the southwest community park designed with staff. The anticipated schedule for site would hopefully occur this fall and hopefully Um in terms of the site in question is being proposed on a 54 acres site that's 12 of those acres will be retained by the family which is the 12 acres to the north of the site which contains the home and the buildings that will retained by the family. So the project that's proposed situated site roughly 4 and 12 acres

for the res. Uh the site is currently in agricultural use. So it has farmed over the years a delineation report on the Uh access to the site will come from the extension of main into the utilities are currently at which is the road that's immediately east of this property. So the concept plan that's being proposed this evening entails a 27 subdivision which is made up of three different resial products within that subdivision. will have 98 units, 63 units, and then 46. All of these are proposed to be owner occasion. The twin homes being the upper left will also be doing.

Um, but just a couple points to make. basement 400,000 price points ranging from00. Uh in terms of zoning for the property in question, it's currently in an open zoning district. holding zone until it gets resided in our comprehensive plan. And this basically allows for integration land use as well as a variety of housing densities and residance. So density range of area compares to that guidance they are roughly at net acre for this site. Another uh important chapter policy that's mentioned in our comprehensive plan to housing diversity. Um and specifically going to policy numbers development and what that policy is to encourage limiting number of town houses. for this is to provide the community with housing styles and prices so that if

housing market it's not focused on something to work on that variety they We'll have to do that mainly by providing the style of the product to meet the policy. Um the concept plan is shown on this slide here. Um again it's a 41 acre site size 207 total lots that are proposed the town home units are on the northern side of the 41 single family unit have two different phases in terms of how they develop this site. First would be primarily on the northeast side of the property which would include all types as part of that first and then lasting access into the site is proposed from four separate access points on the extension of would have access.

Additionally, they are proposing their own internal street system. Um and then I just again want to mention that the 12 acres to the north area is not part of plan. So when they are ready to develop um as I mentioned before there's four access points proposed for this development and then as it relates to kind of the uh progression of the southwest That design has been going for access points of school properties. I will note that those access points are continit Right. All of the streets proposed for the development area. requirements. They are showing that anticipating that

in terms of utilities again utilities are offer there. Um one item of note uh that for subsequent ad plans. From a storm water component, they are showing four different areas for storm water ponding that will continue to requirements. will need to be in their own. Additionally, even though the 12acre parcel is not designed dedication open space There is no public proposed for this project site as a community across the street. So they will need to pay that requirement. Um being that this has attached products in it, there is a requirement to provide space for this type.

for amenity space that's targeted to the user that will occas screening will be important as well since there's three major roadways that will directly above this property. They did provide some cross-section just to give you an idea of the grades in comparison. sections that are on the right side of this slide in along that stretch right now. I'm sorry. All cross on the slide. So all three product types included. So you have twin home in that separation distance on the top there.

One thing that's important being that this directly abing is that they'll need to mitigation analysis before they submit. What this analysis will look to understand is the noise that's being high that question is or is there going to be is that going to be taken into consideration study?

Yes. Um, and it's the timing on that might actually be pretty similar to when this development actually goes in. We're actually working conjunction with county uh to look at that as part of the business park that would be on the west side of the freeway and we we reserved the rightway uh when we built the interchange to do that. Uh so yeah, that would have to be taken into consideration. These exhibits are the cross between Savannah Way. One thingisting that's being from a high standoint that for house designs family product there are a number of criteria or regulations that we'll have to meet that pertain to of the home is designed in relion and ratio standpoint. Um the applicant states that standards that are laid out in that window. Um they are seeking more analysis

alternative um to be reviewed on a couple of those standards. One of them being depresses. Um the other one is the LP smart request plan which we also discussing the reason alternatives items. I will say we do have precedence of this different resellion. So we did um Y the fronts of each home incorporate three different materials which would stone and then two different alternative. So we would say just from a precedent standpoint that could be a reason alternative

language product. Um, and again, these standards really come from making sure that these development projects are providing quality and articulation into the fronts of their homes. Um, so that I would say particular garage stands in a lot of created. Um I will add for the porch depth requirement the intent behind that one again was also uh being able to if you're providing a deeper providing a bigger element on there. So the other thing we noted to the applicant regarding requirement presentation is they still providing quality to share my presentation but one thing that we're just a little Um so to reiterate some things um that the applicant will need to work on as

they prepare for their preliminary submapter policy which is related to that housing diversity in regards to town homes. um coordinating access alignment with the southwest community park and school site as well as um looking at safe pedestrian crossings from the development into school sites too. uh working on a petition for public improvement for Savannah way. that analysis for the need to saves also working on the monotony requirements and their analysis and the storm water plan city standards and then also a construction plan as it relates to the construction that's uh coming with potentially Uh so with that uh we are asking to make a motion to adopt resolution number 2026-4 which is approving the concept plan

that are listed in that resolution. Um I'm happy to take any questions otherwise I do know Does anybody have any facades on these homes looked a lot like what we saw for the Spring Creek edition that was like what already had is the plan was to have this kind of all flow into one or look like it was supposed to be one big neighborhood because their location because it seems to me like a lot of houses are looking really similar and while I appreciate you know uniformity and stuff like that I also love that our city has so many different neighborhoods and with each of them there's something special about them so I need to lose some of that as we start to build out the western side and all that to have it all look like the all the way to you know what I mean? That was my open thought was that we're on the east side. We have so much diversity from golf course on down to the town homes and you know downtown through town and then we're kind of just getting like cookie cutter or status quo on the west side a little more and it could be right. I'm just asking if that was part of the larger plan.

Yeah. And I think the hopefully with this development and I think even when we went through the southwest end of the city here brought that up because I do think they are you are going to get that difference in scale between property. I think just having those different details of the det Perfect. And then the last question, second question that I had was with all this development, do you think that the current on and off?

Boulevard. Yes. I always forget the name. Will that be able to handle all this? Yeah. So, that road was actually designed with this uh with this plan in mind. Yep. So, um so we we In our comp plan, we assumed a certain amount of density that was going to be there. And like said, it could go anywhere from 30 to 40 uh units. And this one's going to be at five units per acre. So, we'll we'll definitely be able to handle the traffic in there. Yep.

I have maybe two questions for you and then one for you. But, uh I from my understanding from the report, the roads are public. That means our plows and everything like that. So, you know, as far as like snow removal and things like that, that's all maybe stuff that's going to be considered preliminary level or is that kind of already been out? No. Um, yeah, we're probably not that far.

Um, my other question is, I don't know if you want to bring up a map of the the development, but Um the the road uh Savannah Way where the the park is going to be on. Is that road is parking going to be allowed on that road on this on the street? Not on that road. There will be up uh there will be on the north and west north and east sides of the park but not on Savannah because that's a collector. Okay. Do we worry about that with the elementary school and the park being I know they'll I mean that's of the discussions we're having with the school district right now is making sure that there is sufficient parking.

All right. Casino, you know, I mean, there you have the occasional event and it's great that we have the park that's next door that will help mitigate some of that parking, but you just wonder about Well, and that's sort of I mean, it's similar model to Clover Ridge, uh, where I mean, I remember when I went there. I mean, the parking for the school on a day-to-day basis is plenty. Um, you run to track day. Yeah. Or grandparents donut day and those types of things. Um the thing that we'll end up doing similar there that we did in Clover Ridge is actually having the parking lot for the park. Yep.

Uh be in close proximity and trail connections to the school. So that can serve as an overflow because we don't use it during the day and the school does. Right. So all right. Yeah. I think the only con that use example of Clover the only thing I think we wasn't part of it but Clover is when the soccer football fields in the back get used parking's a huge problem. Yeah. Right. And that wasn't accounted for at the time. That's a little bit different here with spaces because we have that. But yeah, I I the front side of the school 100% agree. Back side of school becomes problematic at times. But that's for sure. Yeah.

And that's one of the things that will be unique here as opposed to Clover Ridge is that we don't really have on street parking that's approximate to because Huntermark is on the north side of it. Cloveridge Drive is has some parking on the uh on the west side of it, but we're going to have a lot of street that has parking on it. Um because it's a 55 acres, so there's quite a bit of

parking that will be around that. Actually, probably the biggest one is less parking and more circulation because we're I mean, we've done some temporary things out in Clover Ridge to try to test different things, but I know that's an issue for Clover Elementary is just sort of circulation where the parking enters and exits and things like that.

Yeah. The the back the back road back there to get the little The water tower is is always a problem. Yeah. One car at a time because people right

uh about a thousand units. So it's a lot bigger than this. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Clover has [clears throat] much higher density. Um I think my last question is probably uh so if you guys want to come on down familiar face. 1650 West 82nd Street Sweet 300 Bloomington, Minnesota. Happy to answer any initial questions or as Liz mentioned, I do have just a brief presentation and kind of talk more through our product.

Sure. So, one of my questions was just in regards to the town home end of the the development. Um, I didn't really, and again, I know this is concept I didn't really see like overflow parking a lotment or you know my worry is with town homes you don't have a lot of like uh green space where people necessarily park it's like driveway drive by driveway and so just making sure that there's enough parking adequately for the overflow when they have Sure mayor and council members our garages are actually big enough to fit two stalls as well as the driveways can fit two additional parking spots And then we will also have public streets as well which we can work with staff on any additional requirements if needed.

But definitely something we'll consider. Definitely concern. And then when you think about snow removal I'm like okay it's something that definitely needs to be

sure. I think it should be strongly considered to have somewhere extra because as we know there are more and more people living in houses together. There are more people using their garages for other uses and then parking outside. Um and that can be a point of contention between neighbors. It can cause issues with snow removal. It can cause issues with emergency vehicles. So, I think it's really important with looking at that density that that is something strongly considered um for that, especially with its proximity proximity to the community park. Hopefully, those people are going to have their friends over. Let's go to the park, bring our kids, and and having somewhere to park is is going to be important. So, I that was one of my thoughts. Sure.

We'll certainly look at that with staff as well. that uh does anybody have any questions right off the bat or go ahead

just waiting for it but again Haley Daily and Liz is working on it um just a brief introduction to who we are PY group we started in 1950 a national home builder throughout the United States we build throughout the Twin Cities um I think the next slide kind of shows our active communities we build under two name brands within the Twin Cities one which is PY homes which is what we're proposing for this community as well as Dell web that's our age restricted community highly amenized such as Adalwood which is not too far from here just to give you a brief AC uh history of our approach to the site we know that this area is very important we understand that there's a lot of development happening such as with the park and the school in the future and based off previous conversations we also wanted to provide that diversity of housing that we've heard is so important which is what led us to um decide to propose town homes, single family as well as twin homes. So, our town homes are just under,900 square feet to just above 2,000 square ft. Three to four bedrooms or two and a half baths as well as two stalls. Uh the next slide just shows a couple of uh renderings of what they would also look like built in their four unit and six unit strings as well as photos of inside one of our models. um open concept, tall ceilings, um large open windows and spaces. Next slide, we have our twin homes. Uh this is actually a new product we're looking to build in Minnesota. It's done well in other regions in our company, so we're excited to hopefully bring it to this area. Uh this is more of your single level living geared towards empty nesters, maybe someone that's looking to downsize but still stay within the community that they know or move to. um just over 1,700 square feet, two to three bedrooms as well as two baths.

Next, we have just one question on those. So, if I look at that image, I my assumption is the shared the only shared space is the garage, right? The shared wall, correct? But they have their own separate garages.

Got it. Yep. Okay. And then next, um, so our detached single family homes, um, these are around 1,800 square feet to just above 2500 square feet. They're three to four bedrooms, uh, two two to two and a half baths, two stories. Um, as Liz mentioned, uh, we can meet most of the design requirements. However, there's two flexibilities we're looking for feedback on. Um, and I can go into more details for the porch in the next few slides because there's actual renderings that we had done because we know that it's still important if folks have a porch that they can use it. Um, so as you can see, we drew up one of our actual floor plans with our dimensions and put two chairs, table as well as planters. And the next slide shows that there's still space to walk in front of it. And one of the reasons why we're requesting this flexibility actually has to deal with the bedroom. above the porch. Um, as that porch gets deeper, the roof gets pushed back more, which creates issues with the window and window clearances per building code, which is why this is one of our requests to possibly seek flexibilities to reduce the porch depth from 6 feet to 5t. And then the other flexibility we're seeking feedback on is in lie of LP on the fronts, we would propose two different types of sighting and have stone on all the fronts. Um we understand that there's important architecture requirements and to break up some of those facades and create something unique to look at. And this is one of our ways that we found that helps do that. And we would like feedback on that as well. Um and just as a note, all of our floor plans have mult elevations to it and there's over 30 unique color packages that future homeowners can select and we would follow the city's anti- monotony code as well as our own. Um, so it is something we take into consideration when looking at our side.

How does the siding and even maybe the porch impact affordability for these homes? Does it increase the cost of the home decrease or when you know affordability I think is such an important piece of it. So I would say like if we're making an exception what do we get out of it? Sure. So is you know how does that impact it?

Mayor, council members, it is an affordability thing. These items help reduce the overall cost that we have to put into a home that we no longer have to pass on to a future homeowner. And it may seem small when you're talking about thousands of dollars per home. But that can mean a lot to someone who's looking to buy their first home or downsize or whatever their goals may be. So, it is one way that we've helped kind of find cost-saving opportunities for potential buyers. And I can take more questions on the porch and as well as the fronts. So, in short, that is our uh summary tonight. Again, 207 units. Um, we do realize this is an important part of the city. Um, we would like, you know, to move forward with this application with providing a mix of town homes, twin homes, and single family homes. And looking forward to any feedback or questions.

Uh questions. Go ahead.

Um I I think feedback I appreciate that you I mean obviously took away from some previous developments our desire for diversity of home um inventory. And I think this I mean I was excited to see that there were three different home types. To me, I I almost envisioned moving into the community, getting a town home, starting their family, maybe wanting to get a yard, upgrading. They want to stay in that neighborhood. They love being by the park. They love their neighbors. They could literally go through their life phases in the same neighborhood. I also think it is nice that it doesn't get too even not even just like the visual of the homes not too monotonous. You can have kind of three neighborhoods um that also kind of come together too. So um I was glad to see that. So thank you. Um I think the trails and the sidewalks going to be very important. I know this is concept so we're not necessarily there yet but really giving some thought to how those trails and connections through those three neighborhood or what kind of feels like three neighborhoods is one um go to the park and being really thoughtful about that because I do just think people are going to move to these homes for that park and um at least probably a lot of them and the school potentially being there things like that. So being really thoughtful about those connections I think is going to be important and definitely something I know I'll be looking for the preliminary plan um and how that kind of guides through. So I'm always gonna say this and you would probably be sick of me saying this and sometimes things it always feels a little too dense to me and I realize even if it meets certain standards I think it's always there's value in considering the density. So um and I think specifically in the town homes as the mayor already brought up if there's opportunity for parking there um that that's one area that I really felt strongly about that. So Other than that, those are kind of my feedback and comments.

I was just going to add um similar to like slightly different and I realiz that the parks don't have time to walk. They still should be outside. It can be hard to have, you know, playground. So, just a small neighborhood might be nice for the children that live there.

Sure. Mayor and council members will look into that as well as potentially adding parking and looking at how those things affect um the site plan as well, but that's something we can work with staff on. Yeah, I just comment I echo council member Hatfield's comments just about density. Now, what gives me hope there is it's the variety of the product um because it is such a visible space from 212 and a lot of people will make opinions about the city of Chesa as they drive through that space. Uh, and the example that I use because I I think of it every time I travel the road is 169 up into Shakipi when you look right when you're going north, right? Like it just looks like massive homes everywhere and like very cookie cutter. And so now what that doesn't have is variety, which I appreciate that too. So I'm curious to see in the preliminary kind of a little more details of what comes out, but I like the concept of having those three. I think that'll help break that up.

Um, you know, I think does a good job of meeting the needs of a growing community but not fall into the stereotype of suburbia. Use it that way, right? That's what I think that's what I think of when I drive up 169 and I look to the right and you just see town hometown home or house house and there's small yards and everything like that.

Um I think you get a lot of um on the single families if you look at size of yards and I you'll meet the requirements and everything will matter. The biggest I always hear up in that area and we've have a good variety of product. Uh but I'll just speak for myself. We looked when we built in Founders Ridge, we looked at the harvest versus Founder Ridge as an example. And the the thing that sold us so quickly was the yards. Yard sizes, space between houses are dramatically different from south side of the road with the north side of the road. Now, everyone chooses differently, right? I get that. It's not like everyone wants a big yard because some people look at go, I got to mow that. I also learned when you have a corner a lot, uh, it's a lot to snowplow, uh, and shovel, which I didn't think about at the time. So, I just think those are things that, um, you kind of keep in mind when you kind of look at that. And I think roads and ramps and all that will kind of play into that. But, I will get echo. I like the variety of of housing options. Um, it's exciting to see that space. I I suspect your interest in wanting to develop it lines right up the fact that I do think a lot of people awesome park and his future school there and be like this is awesome place to want to live. Um, you know, and and and I think the having that I like how you said you can go through your whole cycle and never leave your little that would be that'd be really cool. Uh, so I think that's because we do hear that too. That's obviously something we always hear as a council too. It's like when I want to downsize, I can't live I want to stay here but I can't afford it or there's not a thing available. So that helps us continue to keep our residents here. We just reminded the conversation about keeping customers. Not that our residents are customers, but

right. But it's but it's retaining individuals is much easier than attracting individuals. So the more people the longer people can stay in the community for all their life cycles, the better. Sure. All right. Um Haley, you did so great. Thank you. I remember the last time we were here, we were talking about wood and we were like Actually,

we want a different housing stock. Listen, you brought this forward and I was very impressed when I opened up my packet and I saw the variety of homes and I saw town homes again and I saw, you know, single family homes and I saw twin homes, especially the twin homes that are single level because that is important um to our community as uh folks that really would like to move out of their existing family home. And that opens up the opportunity for a family to come into that home and provides a nice housing stock for those um older folks to be able to live still in their community and enjoy their space. So, thank you. I might I echo a lot of the sentiment, but I also think that I'm okay with smaller yards and a little bit of a denser neighborhood because I think this affordably fits the profile that we are looking for and the variety of housing stock that we're looking Not every house can have a giant yard and lots of things like that. So, I do appreciate that. I do think we do need to consider the parking. That really comes from a personal sentiment. I live in a town home neighborhood. I know we need open parking. It's just something that needs to happen. And I understand council member um Chevlin's desire for a tot lot, but I do think we have a park right across the street. So, to me, there's a lot of really great green space that I see in this concept plan for the town homes, which is not you really see very often at home. So, I really appreciate seeing that, too, because it could be very easy to just really stack them in

and that's not what I see at this point happening. Um, I know we probably wouldn't give you any guidance at this point on the porch. I don't know if people other, you know, council members want to weigh in. To me, if it makes it a little bit more affordable, I'm not completely against the porch, especially we're just on the single family homes, correct? Correct. Yeah, because it's not applicable to the other. Correct. And we're only talking about a foot, right? We're not talking. Correct. What's the depth? So that is the five feet. So is that okay? What's that's the length in the front of the house, right? I'm sorry. So five feet deep. No, five deep. Okay. Versus versus six feet deep. So

six feet our standard. Okay. I live in a little house downtown and I measured after reading about this measured my porch and uh it is I think four and a half if I remember it was on Friday my friend since then. Um I think it was like four and a half or five and it it is definitely like smaller but I do have plenty of space to like walk in front of a piece of furniture I have there that is actually probably bigger than the chairs you have. And I feel good about the space I have especially would there be railings on the front or no? At this time, our elevations don't have that option. Um, so I will say mine doesn't have a railing, so it feels very open. So, you don't

like it didn't it doesn't feel too small because it it's open there. So, I will say like maybe the railings matter a little bit, but I did measure my porch and I felt like, oh yeah, I like the size of the porch and I thought it was fine. So, especially if it lends itself to affordability, I think that's very important. I'm laughing because as you officially measured your porch, I'm trying to picture myself laying across my porch because I'm like 6'4. So I'm like, would I fit on that space? Well, I don't think you're gonna lay down.

I know, but I'm trying because because I will comment with our like in our house, the one thing that I think and that I partly is maybe I bought too big furniture to put on front of it because it's a rocker. But with the post getting around post sometimes when it's that five versus six, that's my only comment. I again I will I will applaud and say like I said for example that wasn't called out I saw all the products about that 400,000 mid low um I can tell you drive by that space all those other single families and I'm assuming it's because of the basement situation versus slab on grave is what the difference is

they're all 600 700 plus so diversity and cost and economics is important too um so I think that's good to see and that perspective yeah that's my only I don't have a strong opinion on the port like I said I got more comical trying to figure out if I laid across my porch [laughter] because I didn't officially measure it. But I'm like, is that really six feet? But I know I kind of looked at the idea that the single family homes have a patio in the back. Yeah, there's opportunity there for that outdoor living. Yeah, we sit more in the back than the front chairs to be. So, but truthfully,

one of the things we situ. for question.

Yeah. One of the reasons why was there wasn't interesting homes relationship. So the rale is money. I do think it really does matter if there's like a railing on the front because I think that the railing will take up six or whatever it may be. Um so like I said when I think about my porch it doesn't have a railing and so it feels open and kind of flows. Um if it had a railing because I've thought about putting a railing or um something there to make it more like a its own space and it would feel too and close. So I think that's going to play into it is what that ends up looking like.

Sure. And mayor and council members of Other things that we feel plays into it is actually the uh size of the pillars. And typically those pillars now are a little bit more streamlined, a little bit more modern. They're not as big and bulky as they used to be. still look great of course and still high quality. But that's something we can definitely keep working through with staff and um based points initiated. And we also have those LAA dollars uh that we get each year um that you know we could probably do you know three to uh land trust funds a year with the Baja dollars that we get.

I will say I would like to amend on the density part. I I mean you've experienced me in a meeting before so you know like if I feel strongly I'll say that. Um the density I do I am in favor of if it's going to keep these homes more affordable. I'm not as hell on the density at that point. Um because I do think to the mayor's point, the the harvest is kind of right there and closed around. There are a lot of big homes over there and so if you have the budget for that, great. But I do think having the opportunity to have, you know, about as affordable as you can get them these days, new homes. Um and the opport and I think the opportunity for land trust is fantastic. That's a great program if there can be a few of those. So um I just wanted to make sure it was clear that beyond the parking in the town the density is not something

if it's affordable I'm better that do you feel like good feedback as far as direction the only other feedback I would maybe seek is the feedback for the two sidings in the stone instead of LP if there's any general sense if that would be something Nate I'm gonna look to you sighting expert I I think details.

Yeah, because we didn't delve web. Correct. I think that's what is that quality material component.

I mean I think I was just going to clarify one thing. Yeah, go ahead. Um, so that's already in the Del Web in Adalwood here. So that's something we could pop up and kind of drive by some of those homes to get look and feel. I think there's probably value and I didn't realize that or didn't pay attention and realize that, but I'll probably pop through there because I I mean I you know I think seeing how it comes out like what it actually ends up looking like is gonna and the value and the quality is going to be important to that. But I mean the homes are beautiful. Wood is I was going to say it's gorgeous. Um there are two story in there too. Yeah, Adalwood has different product type completely different from this. As far as materials go, similar.

I I appreciate the like variety of the 30 different, you know, types of stone. Can't exactly remember, but you know, the mix and match to provide the different options because I think that just kind of hits home to kind of what you were saying, just kind of that aesthetic uniqueness, you know, that kind of makes the neighborhood um shine by its own self. Uh so I think we're open to the conversation that and working with staff that helps. I think I think stone is actually nicer. Our neighborhood is all stone. It's not the stone and I just think it's beautiful to see how people have done that. So that just

Thank you, mayor and council members. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Any other um questions or comments at all? Otherwise, Liz, I don't think I heard, but when did you say the next phase of this was? I know we gave her a lot to work with and you guys probably the second step of this. Um, I don't think we have a firm definition on that yet. Probably wouldn't be until

it's going to be a couple months, but that look Um okay. Uh I mean it's a great start and I you know these concept plans are always you know that uh big overview look and so um I think good direction's been given and so I would entertain a motion to adopt the resolution 2026-4 approving the concept plan on the southern uh 41 and a half acres of the property at 4245 Big Woods Boulevard. Second.

So we moved. Are you moving? Are you second? I just was entertaining it, but I mean, okay, you all right, motion by council member Chevlin and a second by council member Hatfield. Any other discussion? That was a lot to say. All right. All those in favor say I. I opposed.

Okay, that moves us. That moves us. Is that what's my maybe it's the panel.

Okay. Sorry. Thank you. All right. So, that moves us along to 8B. Adopt resolution 2026- uh7 approving the preliminary site and building plan and resoning for Pey Business Center at 4200 PV Road SHA construction PC number 2025-21. Mayor and council members, this is one that uh you saw the concept plan before and now we have the plinary plan coming back. Uh this is the site north of aation the old aation industries uh building and as we uh heard the last time would be uh housing both southwest rental uh which is just a couple blocks to the east of here and then also a uh plumbing company from uh blueonia where you're from. So, um, so exciting to to see these these uses, especially Southwest Rental, being able to stay within the community. So, uh, this is coming from the planning commission with a recommendation for approval, and I'll turn over to Ashley for uh, presenting it.

Thank you, Mayor and Council. As Matt said, we are up in the [clears throat] northeast corner of the city. uh 82nd Street as it kind of turns into Norex Drive here is really that Chanassa border. Tonight we are in the second phase. So we're starting to see resolution to some of those issues that were identified in the castle plan review process. Um, anything that comes out of this review would then be addressed before it will come back to you in the final review before. Uh, the request is for a new office warehouse building with outdoor storage. Uh, the applicant, as Matt said, is Shaw Construction. There's also two future tenants here, Southwest Rental and Sales, which is currently operating just the northeast of this site. And then also Crimson which would be relocating from their current location in uh this northeast quadrant uh is currently zoned P8. So planned industrial district number eight. Uh up until 2018 it was zoned P2. Really what's important coming out of that is that under both of those zoning districts uh even with that reszoning was that outdoor storage was prohibited on properties uh that were adjacent to Highway 41. So that's really what's driving the zoning ordinance amendment request that's evening. Uh just briefly going through the previous approvals for the site. Uh this was detailed in your report this evening and my presentation. So, I'm just going to touch on it as it relates to things moving forward. Um, the previous approval from 2005 included three buildings. Uh, they were each about 6 to 8,000 square feet in size. Uh, they were

really intended for 15 tenants. Uh, the approval included kind of three main points uh that would continue to relate to this project. Uh, the first was that enhanced screening would be required along Highway 4. for that project. Uh there was also a cross access agreement that was in the uh southeast corner of the site that was really to improve site circulation between the two sites and then also uh allow for essentially a secondary access into the site. And then third um just that reiteration of no outdoor storage on the property. Uh important I think is that this project did not move forward and the property has removed has remained vacant. So the site just over uh 2.74 acres. Um the property does slope downwards from a high point that's in the uh center of the northern property. Uh there is a wetland that's on the western side so along Highway 41. And then again that access and egress ement still does exist on the property. There are 14 trees on the property generally uh along in that eastern side of the site. Um you may remember from the concept plan review that there was one tree that was identified that staff wanted to work with the applicant to preserve. Um after receiving the tree inventory and doing another site visit, uh preservation of that tree was no longer considered a priority uh because the tree had some structural issues and then also based on the species of that tree.

Just a quick recap uh of the concept plan uh that came before you. Uh there were two buildings you recall. So there was a phase one building uh that was about 18,000 square feet in total size uh and it was 28 ft tall and then uh with materials made of brick pre-cast and aggregate panels. There was also a 9,000 square foot future building uh that would be constructed at some point in the future uh that would add another 9,000 square ft with some additional parking on the east side of the site. The concept plan also included uh just under 12,000 square feet of outdoor storage. Uh that would be part of that phase one. Uh and that was uh to store equipment uh and materials primarily from the southwest rental and equipment user. Um [clears throat] the request also included 31 parking stalls uh the constructed stalls generally on the east side of the building and 15 parking stalls. Uh the applicant did hold a neighborhood meeting back in August. Uh no one did appear at that uh meeting so no comments coming out of that. Uh I apologize that this box did not expand. So white on white is not easy to read. Uh the uh at the planning commission meeting though uh the applicants and the future tenants were both available. They answered just questions about timing of the project, specifically with that second building. They also asked uh just general questions about site security and lighting as it related to that outdoor storage area. And we did ask the commission to provide

feedback um understanding that it wasn't going to tie them into a request or a future approval, but just trying to gauge uh the comfort level with that outdoor storage. to help the applicant uh understand how to move forward with that project. Uh generally the commission was supportive of that. Um they did note that because it was screened from 41 by the building uh fencing and landscaping they felt that that would be adequate uh to gain their support. Uh they also felt strongly that any stored materials within that outdoor storage area should be limited to the height of the fence. So it should exceed that. Uh you as the then reviewed it uh in late October. Uh you eched a lot of those same comments. Um and then really emphasized this mouse is incredibly touchy. My apologies. Um you I'm just going to not touch it. Uh the you as the council really emphasized the importance of screening that outdoor storage area that ultimately plan. Uh so the current plan uh before you this evening um one of the major changes is that uh the proposed building was reconfigured. So it was made it was elongated. It was increased in size. So from that 18,000 square ft up to 22400 square ft. Um [clears throat] and in doing that they were able to remove uh that second building from the plan and still meet the needs of those tenants with in that initial phased building. Uh the other components of the building in terms of what it looks like, materials and height and the signage uh all are consistent with what you saw at the concept plan. Uh the outdoor storage area um also did

shrink in size. So previously it was uh just over 11,000 square feet. They've reduced it by about a th000 square feet. Um the m height, uh, etc. Those are all generally consistent with what we saw at the concept plan. Just some of the other site plan um, items to note. Uh, access continues to be from PB Road. There is no access coming from Highway 41. Uh, the amount of proposed parking did increase uh, in totality up to 76 stalls. Uh, 24 [clears throat] of those would be constructed and the remainder would be uh proof of parking and those 24 constructed stalls uh would be on the east side of the building. essentially between the building uh and highway 41. There is a small area of wetland fill uh proposed as part of this project. Where were we? I think this is where we were. Uh and the project also includes two monument signs. uh one uh coming from PB and then one also identifying the building uh along Highway 41. Uh so 13 of the 14 on-site trees would be removed. There is one uh uh aspen tree along the northern property line that would remain. Uh and then the new landscaping plan incorporates landscaping along Highway 41 to provide some screening of the building. It also proposes a line of arbories along the north and the south property line uh to screen that outdoor storage area uh from Highway 41. Uh and then there's also additional landscaping on uh the east

side to provide screening from uh utilities are available to the site uh and would be extended into to the site. Uh storm water would be collected uh throughout the site and then directed to storm water basin. This basin did get a little bit larger than uh what you previously saw and uh that's really to accommodate we got some more details about that storm water plan uh and then also some of the pavement increased. So it's really to accommodate for that. Uh so moving into staff's analysis um the uses consistent with what our 2040 comp plan would allow for industrial uses um within the P8 district. The building uses are allowed but again there is that amendment request before you this evening uh to allow that outdoor storage area. Uh so staff is generally supportive of that request before you finding that the subject and zoned for industrial. The outdoor storage area would be behind the building and wouldn't be visible from Highway 41. Uh the stored materials as a condition of approval both of the ordinance and the resolution couldn't exceed the height of that fence. Uh that would further mitigate visual impacts. And then additional screening would continue to provide um or would provide additional screening uh both from PB as well as highway 41. Uh just an update uh in the concept plan report uh there were some items that had to be addressed as it related just the lot configuration.

Um the initial one was with Jaspa business lofts. Uh the property was platted such that there could be independent ownership of those three buildings and then there was an additional lot created to allow for those shared amenities like the parking storm water etc. Um so there was going to have to be a process that the property owner would have to undertake in order to reconfigure that property into one contiguous lot. the owner has [snorts] accomplished that and that item is resolved. Um coming out of that process um the there is an existing drainage and utility easement that existed over that kind of shared amenity property that still exists. Uh so you will see a easement request um with the final uh review and essentially to vacate that ement and then establish perimeter ement consistent with what our code would require. Additionally, um there needs to be some resolution as it relates to the cross access easement. Um but the property owner is continuing to work with that southern property owner to resolve that item as well. Um, continuing with or consistent with the concept plan, um, the building does meet our building material requirements, uh, with 32% meeting that class one uh, requirement and the building does also meet our setback requirements. Uh, and then the initially with the concept plan, there was a deficiency when it came to parking. Uh so they have again increased that number up to 76 uh and with 24 of them being constructed and staff finds that they would meet the anticipated

demand uh of that building uh without requiring additional uh access parking to be constructed. Um but as you'll note in your resolution, staff can require that in the future should a parking issue become Uh initially with the concept plan if you remember um the parking lot setback both from the north and the south property line was 5T where 10 ft is required. Um the applicant did work to reconfigure the plan uh in order to meet generally meet that 10 foot requirement. There is a small little encroachment area that's circled in red that does drop below that. So we would for that to be resolved in the next phase. Uh when it comes to landscaping, uh generally again uh all but one of those trees will be removed. Uh that initially uh identified tree for preservation no longer meets that threshold making it not a priority. So that tree will uh be removed as part of this plan uh for that storm water basin. The plan currently uh with the identified species does not meet our landscaping ordinance. Um because elms, the species of elms in totality is excluded from being considered an overstory tree. Uh but if those four elms are swapped out for different species, then it would fully meet that landscaping ordinance. So that's something that we would look for resolution ahead of final. So again, we're in preliminary. The things that we're going to look at uh for resolution in the final review uh is the easement vacation and dedication as well as resolving that parking lot setback. So just increasing the area uh

within that encroachment. Uh just an update on the cross access easement. Uh you'll note in the resolution this evening uh that we're just looking for that item to be resolved ahead of permitting. Um but we hope to bring you an update on that. in the next review and then uh revising the plans such that they meet the landscape and uh the the plan did go to the planning commission meeting uh what was that two weeks ago. I know time feels like it was a long time ago but I think it was just two weeks ago. [laughter] It was yesterday.

I wouldn't even know I don't remember what I did yesterday. So it's possible I was here with the planning commission. Um the uh applicants and the future tenants were also there. Uh they answered just a few questions uh that the planning commission had really again um trying to understand the removal of that second building. Uh just confirming that they wouldn't come back uh requesting that in the future. Uh they just asked a few questions about fence material uh and then just site security as it relates to that outdoor storage area. So it is coming before you this evening uh with a recommendation for approval from them. So with that concludes my presentation. Uh the applicant and the tenants are here again this evening um to answer any questions but I'll turn it back to you may for any questions.

Okay. Um does anybody have any questions for staff at all or the applicants? I feel like I mean this was really a great um concept plan. I mean there were some things that needed to obviously be addressed and and it looks like you guys are kind of well on that road to kind of getting there. There's still some odds and ends that need to to happen, but just want to reflect on the appreciation for choosing to, you know, um build in Chaska and be here and have a business here and then also believe it was uh bringing a plumbing. Yeah. Yeah. Bringing you bringing you over from Wakonia, right?

Yeah. Um like fun at that. Uh, we could bring a photographer over too if we want to. I don't think you guys want me here. Um, but yeah, I mean it's just so great to see the investment in Chaska and um, appreciate that uh, you guys wanting to kind of move forward with it. So, I mean, those are generally my thoughts. There wasn't anything that was like red flags or anything in front of my face unless somebody else has something else to say up here.

No, I would completely agree. I think it's especially with that um the outdoor storage that's been done really thoughtfully and we kind of talked about this at concept so I don't need to rehash it but I just appreciate that that was done thoughtfully um and I think it'll work um really well and um fit really nicely and so I'm excited to not only keep a business here but bring in other businesses. So um and this is great. Honestly, every time I drive past that open lot I'm like it looks so ugly just sitting there empty. So, I'm grateful there's going to be a nice new building there.

I mean, we've literally been talking about this site for 20 years. I mean, it's originally it was supposed to be the, you know, future edition of Aeration Industries and when that wasn't going to happen, it there's been a lot of iterations. So, I think this is a fantastic use for for this site.

I think it looks great. All the preliminary work through thank you for sitting through this long meeting to stay here for this. I realize that you were kind of like the last man standing. So [laughter] now that you've heard everything else we were going to talk about tonight, thank you for not almost. They might want to stick around authorizing the solicitation bills. I say paying the bills, you might want to stick around for that. But

um yeah, no uh yeah, thank you guys for being part of it. So, I'm excited to see this come through on the final. So, with that, I would entertain a motion to adopt resolution number uh 2026 to accept seven approving the culinary site and building plan for PB business center at 4200 road. All right, got a motion from council member Chevlin. Second, second from council member Benes. Any um any discussion. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Does that make it better?

Didn't make it worse. Make it worse. Uh, all right. And then we have another motion to make uh motion to adopt ordinance number 1077 approving the zoning ordinance amendment to P8. Okay. So moved. Second. Motion from council member GR and a second from council member Hatfield. Any discussion? Uh all those in favor say I. I opposed.

Wonderful. Thank you guys. Enjoy your enjoy the rest of the evening. Yeah. No doubt. Um All right. So then that leads us to one more action item. Resolution 2026-2 authorizing the solicitation of public bids for the municipal service building.

I'll turn this over to this building. asking for your bid for this project. So just um a little bit about the timeline. So you saw this in December as part of that will website. So period will be open.

February. You said February.

You said February. Fantastic. That all goes smoothly. We start. This is exciting. We're gonna break out the golden shovels in May.

[laughter] So long as it's not cold like today. We've never done this. Uh I have too. No because I was a part of the county. I know. Well, I'll be spray painting a shovel tonight. There you go. Um No, you can probably order my name on my page. I joke. But yeah, you can definitely spray paint a shovel. So,

uh no, this is really exciting. It's fun to come forward and kind of keep that uh train moving down the tracks. So I am interested. So facility would Yes. Okay. That's what I was thinking.

But RJM um you know being on construction management on the public safety project, they're actually, you know, they're tearing down their trailer, I think tomorrow at the public safety uh center. Uh and you know, they're going to immediately then uh get their bring in their uh staff who's going to be working on this project. There's going to be similar people on there, but there's going to be a couple different people. Uh I mean, they're literally moving from this project to that, like right away. Yeah. So, to me, the continuity is way more important with them than it is with the actual subcontractors. Absolutely.

And I guess the fact that you are going with them again says the answer to this, but you feel like they were really good at bringing all those Yeah. And and the the the public safety building wasn't the only time we've ever worked with RGM. We've actually done a couple of projects at the community center. Uh when we had the CO dollars and we did improvements here at city hall, they were the ones that managed that and we only had what Nate you were or was the least working on it. We only had like three months to spend these dollars. Oh, Nate. We gota give credit. [laughter]

You mean the separate entrance? Yeah, but it's, you know, so, uh, we've worked with them on a number of projects and been very pleased with them. You did great. Um, all right. Uh, yeah, I'm looking for a motion. Okay. Motion to adopt resolution authorization. I got a motion from council member. Second.

Second from council member Hatfield. Any other discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. Okay. All right. That moves us along to to the bills. I had a question but I couldn't find it. I do have one question. just say that there's like a lot of items for the public safety building on there and it just feels very exciting. So, um I couldn't find where my question was. I don't know why I didn't write it down. Obviously, it wasn't that important, but it was just exciting to see all the public safety building stuff on there. It's all the for the Are we getting a tour of that pretty soon? What's that? Are we getting a final tour of that one? Yeah, it's uh I drove by today and I I think I saw them look like unloading furniture.

Yes. So, yeah. So, um next week. It's gonna Well, it's going to take a few weeks to get that all set up and stuff, but I would say by the end of February, we'll be at the point where we can Yeah. Uh, I just had two questions. Page 10 is is tech conf. It's a software. What is that? That's not like our website that we page. I don't recognize that, but just curious.

Yeah, I'd have to check. That's okay. You can get back to me. Just curious. Um, I think that's it. Any other questions? All right. Entertain a motion to pay the bills. Motion to pay the bills. All right. Motion from council member. Second. Second from council member. Yes. Yes.

I us to other business. Um, council member, you're back. I was lucky enough to the last time to be having a baby. So, first I would like to welcome Neil Kenneth to our family. He's been an amazing addition for the last couple weeks and I think rounded out our family very nicely. Also, I was not here, so I couldn't wish a happy second birthday to my next one in line, but Jack turned two on January 7th. Happy birthday to my baby sir. Not my baby anymore. Um but always my baby and other than that I don't really have I mean everything that's been said about

congratulations. We were all thinking of you.

Congratulations on the baby. I wanted to Um since our last meeting here, a lot has happened um in the world clearly and it is exhausting coming from somebody who works in public safety. Um I think everybody just needs to take a breath and figure this out like humans instead of how we're going about it. I may not partially disagree with what's happening, but I disagree with tactics. I disagree with image. And there is a better way. There is always a better way than this. And we are tired on the front lines. We are tired of dealing with it right now. We just need a break. So, please take a breath and Let's figure this out with all the front. Thank you. Yes. Um, couple things. Um, attended the MLK breakfast. Uh, lived up to its billing. It was cold.

Very cold. Uh, seems like that's a common thread. Um, I thought it was I mean great program as usual. They do such a great job in recognizing the groups and the the awards given out. The speaker was phenomenal and I just will, you know, was reflective of just the experience of the specialness of that event. Uh that was you know in between the events and the metro area. And so um you know people still showed up were supportive. You know I think words of Dr. Martin Luther King true today. Um, you know, sometimes I think myself like man, if he were to see where we are, do we meet his expectations or not? I don't know. I think it's some ways we've gone backwards further than we've gone forward. Right. So, but uh it was a wonderful event, well attended. I actually think at the end it was standing room only as people came in.

Um, I sit a lot I chose stand spot. Um but yeah, stand was great. So appreciate that. Um pausing a moment here. Uh you know, I this is actually the first meeting in my career as a council member that I wasn't looking forward to coming to. Um largely because just events, right? And you know, I thank you, mayor, for your your beautiful words. a lot of like what I was struggling to figure out what to say. Um, and I still don't know what to say. I still really don't. And I, you know, I I know we have a a message that will be and it it's beautiful and it echoes a lot of that. Um, I spend a lot of time with my family and my kids uh basketball the basketball bubble on Sunday. Uh, but I do get questions. I hear things on the radio. You know, my kids are now 13 and actually will be 11 next week next week. So, we'll wish we have a meeting. my birthday. Um, and so I think there's two things that I kind of pull away that I really just for lack of, you know, really the best words to come to mind. Um, my youngest particular is always like, "Well, what's going on? What's wants questions and wants to know things?" And, um, he's, "Dad, are you gonna cry today?" I'm like, "No." Because my kids know I'm a crier and get emotional about things that affect my kids and my family. Um, and truthfully, I say that and I'm l I look the way I do truthfully. Um, and so they affect my family, but I really don't understand what that means and the people that don't look like me and the fear that they're living in right now and it's just terrible. Um, but I like to also keep it simple because I think sometimes simple wins out. Um, to me it's a couple things that come to mind. Kindness. You I talk about my kids. My kids try to be kind. They're not always kind to their brothers. Sometimes they're not kind to

each other. We've had a lot of conversations about being kind to to your friends, to your people that are not your friends, being kind to people that look like you, being kind to people that don't look like you. Um, and you really taking that effort. And I think sometimes, you know, I am a believer you learn the best things in kindergarten about growing up in life and keeping things simple. So just asking people to find kindness in their heart, find you know openness to be kind to someone who maybe has different views, different perspectives of themselves. Um and if that's works for you to share that with your families uh and friends or close relatives certainly do. You know the other one that I've spent a lot of time the last couple weeks in my day job um with supervisors is the importance of the supervisor of empathy. And it doesn't I don't go a day realizing that we are so short in this country in this society in this world of people showing empathy for the other person. Um it's just you know understanding and knowing and being patient and I and I I reminded I have worked with lots of leaders and um I think there's understanding. I think it's a understanding for city our city employees too. people are coming to work with big bags right now. A lot of, you know, and and understanding that and showing being empathetic and being flexible and listening and and knowing sometimes we're probably not our whole selves. I don't feel like my whole selves tonight, right? Um and so just just really practicing empathy and understanding and listening and um not defining things one way or the other. I I struggle I mean I will my last comment here start rambling here. I don't prepare things ahead of time, just not my style.

Um, the thing that really frustrates me the most is regardless of where what you think when you see the actions that have happened, you're forgetting the human element. Two people lost their lives. We just ignore that sometimes and we immediately go to this posturing and it just drives me crazy because it's just we're humans. We are at the core. We all are humans and we immediately miss that element. Um so find the human connection. Find someone you can talk to. Talk to someone who looks like you. Talk to someone you don't know that doesn't look like you. Check in with people. We need to take care of ourselves. We need to take care of neighbors. Um, just be kind. I think everything I don't know what to say at this point. So, um, mayor, thank you for being our words and saying that. So, um, the MLP breakfast I think really was like such a it was a good timing event because I know like I did not want to get up and get out of bed that morning, but I was like I'm going to feel better if I go see my community. That's going to feel better. And it did. And um Elyn Caba did such a good job with her with her address and um in it she said recognize the privilege you hold and use it responsibly. That was her kind of challenge or ask of everyone in the audience. And and I think council member G you touched on that like I am painfully aware that I could move about my last two months and longer in no fear

that I could just move around and I was fine. Um, and that that is not the experience of my neighbors. And so I just I think that's a good ask. So if you weren't at the um MLK breakfast and you didn't watch it, a go watch it. It was fantastic. But b just really like take that hopefully away with you too to just recognize the privilege and then use that responsibly so that and that can be done in a million different ways. And I think you kind of said this like feeling so powerless to do anything in all of this has just like sucked and um I think it's the little things of like showing kindness. Kindness is a choice. Um and just recognizing where you can help if it's shoveling a driveway or having a conversation or delivering something or you know giving money and items to help people that really need it right now. Those are small things you can do. Um, having a conversation. One thing I realized through all of this is that my algorithm and my for you page and my timeline on social media seems to be different than some others. Um, and had some challenging conversations about that. Um, being fed very different information and trying to come to a place with people where we trust each other and can have hopefully what is a kind and clarifying conversation about how how we see things or what we're what information we're being fed. So addressing misinformation like I've done a lot of that with a few friends on my timelines this week and that was one thing I felt like I could do um when I felt really powerless. So I think there are a million different ways you can do that. Um, and then the other thing I just want to, you know, in all of this tragedy, you know, looking for the helpers and my goodness, our community has really

shown up and that's where I'm going to get emotional because it's just like amazing. I've driven through neighborhoods and see grocery deliveries happening and you know, Little Ruse has been a donation spot. They've done an amazing job stepping up and you see the pictures the Nordlings post of just full of donations and bountiful basket um the same thing and just everything Latino Voices is doing and how all of those things are really the community that's none of us doing that that is community stepping up and saying not here not in Chaza we're going to help our neighbors and so I just think I want to recognize the helpers and the people doing really good things because I think that's the like in all of this so um yeah uh On a very serious note, I'm going to just add some humor as I do and talk about a couple of other things. One of them being puzzle mania [laughter]

because you and Taylor did so good last time. We did so good last time. You don't have to worry about us this time. Or at least not me. I I have a conflict. I can't I think you should res. That's February 7th. And I highly recommend um because even if you really are bad at it, you will feel love. I promise. They they were kind enough to post on the fly posted. [laughter] They at least didn't say that we were giant losers, but so highly recommend that event. And then of course the um the ice fishing event coming up for the fire department is on the 14th of February and that's always a really good event. So I don't even want to say anything about the ice. I'm not gonna say about the like physical. It's

I'm not gonna say anything about it because I don't warm. It's so thick that it froze out the fish. Okay. [laughter] I don't want to, you know, I'm hop, as much as I don't often hope for cold weather, I hope it stays cold for a little bit here to allow for that. We can just make it a couple more weeks. It'll be great. Um, a few more weeks. So, those are always really good or that's a really good event. And even if there isn't the ice fishing portion, there's always a lot of There will be. Yeah, I'm thinking I [laughter] don't want to jinx it. There's lots of good activities inside to do, too. So, um, And I think that's it. Michaela, where did you sign up for this? Pleasant thing. It's through parks and rec. Yeah. And you can do I think I recommend getting a team of four.

Well, I think they do the one to two person teams, too. But there's two three categories. I think the one to two and then the three to four. And I just recommend like having the most amount of people for that cuz they're definitely And if a team shows up wearing matching puzzle shirts, just accept that you're going to lose. Yeah. Or like Yeah. I was just going to say you're They're gonna come in first. [laughter] Um, and that is really all I have. All right. Well, that's wonderful. Um, okay. Elise,

I'll leave Kyle alone since he's on his phone back there. He's watching some video or something. He [laughter] got something to add. He was You look like the student that got called out of like class by the teacher [laughter] just playing with you. Uh Kristoff,

no. I I just want to piggy back on on something coun said about this feeling of exhaustion and really just thank our employees uh for I mean I can see the exhaustion in people. It's just palpable and um it's so I just a huge thank you uh to to them for what they've been doing. the community safe and um and just being dedicated and stuff, but I know they feel the same way you do and it's it it really great over time.

And then on a good note, uh state of the city address uh is on Wednesday night. So, uh reminder to people for that. So, this will be the first annual 6:00 to 7:30 we'll have our resource fair and then Margan speech at the community center in the So, it should be a good time.

Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it. Even amongst all of this, it was like, okay, we got a lot going on in the world, but this is still community and still talking about our community and and opportunity for everyone to get together and and learn more about what's going on in our community as well as resources that, you know, are available or just more information to learn. So, I I'm excited. And you're right, did you say the time? 6 to 7:30. 6:00 to 7:30. Yep. There you go. And it would be really cool. There is a um is it a woodworking demonstration? Wood firing demonstration. Uh Steve Kelzer does uh he does like wood veneer artwork. Yeah.

So, he's going to be doing some demonstrations. Yeah. And I had an opportunity to chat with him at the MLP breakfast. He was part of the musician multi-talented because it Steve is one of the most talented people I know. I He has he's a woodworker, he's a farmer, he's a musician. I mean, he's just an extremely talented person. Yeah. So, it it is very exciting. So, I I I shared my appreciation for him being a part of the event. So, if I'm not entertaining enough, like at least come for [laughter] a lot of things.

Yeah. It's gonna be it's gonna be a great speech. It's going to be great. Um and that is perfect uh perfect segue I guess. So yeah to wrap up some things the MLK breakfast was really great and like you said Evelyn Kava had a very moving um conversation or speech you know in regards to her um you know coming over here from a different country and her perspective. So, it is something that is available on YouTube for anybody that does want to go back and and watch because it really is a great program and and also just um a lot of really great uh nominations this year for the human rights award. There's so many individuals and organizations that are doing such good in our community. Um I always make sure to throw a couple of nominations in uh just to like recognize those folks. And it was really great uh that there was one that I really wasn't on my radar that won and it was the Monday market, right? And so, you know, it was kind of like a kind of like a food shelf for like the school so like students could be able to bring home um nutritious food and and then they made it available to staff and things along those lines. And so and that was really something at the at the helm of with a student kind of leading the charge with some teachers. I just think that is amazing that this student has the you know um tenacity to spend I mean he's his junior and senior years every Saturday you know doing this. I mean there are not a lot of 16 17 18 year old um kids that would you know that's that that that's something that they feel passionate about and and are consistent about. So I wanted to recognize that. So that was a really great event. Um also the before we uh had a little

get together at the at the curling and event center for the curling team. Um it feels like a years ago, but uh it was really neat to see um team Casper there and there was one of the girls because they had been doing some interviews and stuff like that. So one of the um one of the women came down from the women's team, team Peterson, right? Yep. So Taylor Anderson, she's actually one of our employees. Yes. and she practices there all the time and so it was really fun to meet uh them. And then there was a mixed doubles teamy Cory Drop. Yeah. And Cy Cory and Cory

and so you know I mean you saw every day you can meet like Olympic bound athletes and be able to really celebrate and send them off in style. And then if you go it's dark now but if you drive by that curling uh center down where the um players lounge is They have really cool u graphics on the windows now. So should check it out. So it's really cool. It's pictures of all the men's team because they play out of here and then Taylor who works for us and then we also have the uh the parolympic team is also out of cha too.

So uh it's sort of cool. It says where Olympic dreams are born uh there and then has their pictures and stuff. So it's really neat. When did that go up? It went up today. Okay, I'm like I drive by that every day like did I not see this?

I almost got into a car accident. I had to like look at all of it. Um but no and I like I want to just poke fun at your son Will because we you he was there and I was like this gonna be you. He was like I hope so. So it it was it was very exciting and really a fun event to be at um and send them off. So I look forward to seeing them um in Italy. So, uh and then um coming up, you touched on the fishing contest and touched on the state of the city. Oh, the historical society was featured on channel 5 today. You can go online and see it that live five. So, it's kind of like their afternoon program and they touched on their um the women um

exhibit. Yeah, the grace and grit. And Lisa did a wonderful job. So, I just want to Great job, Lisa and just the historical society for gathering all of those um exhibits and all of the like historical artifacts. It's just it's so fun to see um the you know our history kind of being on display and shown with pride. Uh I don't have like the specific time but the food distribution was rescheduled because the cold temperatures last week and it's rescheduled to this Thursday but at CAP agency which is the one at Shaki and I think it's from noon to whatever the regular time is for for the food distribution drive. So I just want to make sure to call that out just because

I'm sorry 3 to 4. No, I'm glad that you said that because I thought actually it Yeah, I have obviously put bad information in my notebook. I apologize. You got the location. You got the location. I saw the location. Well, I [laughter] thought it was important because, you know, right now, like, you know, Muel, you touched on with, you know, people being in need and and needing things. I think it's important to let people know that there are resources. And that is definitely one that is very popular and very easy to, you know, you get in line and you drive through and, you know, you can um be able to serve for your household or maybe you're picking up for a neighbor. So, it does say you can have pick up for multiple families. Yep.

You have neighbors that need.

So, if you know somebody that's in need and you have that availability tomorrow, be sure to stop over there. Uh, and then lastly, uh, well, I mean, I spoke my words. I get the privilege of doing it at the beginning of the thing. So, I, um, you know, my feelings It has been a struggle uh to kind of navigate these last few weeks and I know appreciate the staff for all the conversations as we kind of all put our heads together to figure out what is you know an appropriate path forward. How do we best help our community without hurting it and um what is something that we can do as actionable uh that is going to make you know positive impact. Um and those are really this is one of the hardest things because it, you know, you feel really powerless. Is there a lot of things that we can't do and there are things that we saw, you know, as Matt and I were in meetings with other metropolitan cities that they were kind of trying to formulate that just they were really weren't possible. Um, and they felt like they sound like they felt good, like yeah, you know, but then it wasn't something that could actually happen and I felt like it would end up doing more harm than good. And so it's just kind of this balance. Um, but really It gives me hope to see in working with some organizations just the number of people that are stepping up to help in the ways that they can, whether it's their time, their energy, their space, or their um, you know, their donations. Um, and then just seeing those organizations, I know they're exhausted and they're still working so hard to ensure that, you know, they're serving the community and that people have that resource available to them. So, I want to say thank you to everybody. I know it's been

really trying. So, and that and that that's all I have. Uh the next meeting is Monday um uh February 2nd and that otherwise I take a motion to motion. All right. Motion from council member second from council member. All those in favor say I. I thank you everyone.