Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Marxist lived over there.

It's just I guess all right once you do. You know you have this.

The motion to approve this you know the agenda. The motion to approve the consent agenda which is the agenda itself. IN THE MINUTES OF JULY 28, 2026 MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT.

ANY RECOMMENDATIONS?

I'M DOUBLE CHECKING RIGHT NOW. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY YESTERDAY, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK.

Nothing.

No, click a license to speak. Hey, next is public comment.

Do you want to call in Chris first?

Yeah, Chris.

Chris McQueen. Yep.

You ready?

Hi there, folks. Hi, Chris.

Hey, I just got, I'm sorry, go ahead.

They just said good morning.

Oh, good morning. Um, I have just a few quick prepared statements. So if there are any questions or anything, I'll just, I'll just read what I have real quick. And then, of course, very interested any comments from the board or anything. Um, thanks for having me. I'm grateful for Mills County and the leadership we have appreciate all you do. Um, since 2021, I've been putting on gravel bicycle events across Iowa as the Iowa gravel series. And these events attract usually 100 to 200 people to small communities around Iowa, including Glenwood. We started out with five events and we've grown to eight. This is the sixth year of the series. And so I've put on to, you know, something like 35 of these events over the last six years. The Glenwood Gravel event is this Saturday. We're starting at the Glenwood Archaeological Preserve, often known as the Foothills. And the cyclists will be leaving the preserve on the south end of the preserve and entering the road onto Cane Ave. I reached out to the secondary roads team to see if we could get some simple barriers or signage or something, very open to whatever they're available to provide, to be used at two key points during this event. The 1st edit at 7 a.m. for about 5 to 10 minutes when we start the group out of the preserve, and they head out on to. And then again, around 10 a.m. to 1030, when we have, or anticipate the 1st writers to come back to the preserve from the West on cave and then head back into the preserve. And so the goal is to not close the road to traffic or put any due unneeded burden on the public or anything, but simply to provide some signals to drivers that something is going on here and to help them pay attention that there could be some cyclists on the road. And so the goal here is to provide a safe experience for the riders and for the And for the public during these kind of 2 key times, and so I would appreciate any help that maybe the county, or the secondary roads team could provide to help us kind of see if we could get some simple signage during this time. Really appreciate your help.

Thank you.

Again, yeah, I think my concern is just liability of the county. we're not providing the specific type of signs. I'm not aware of specific signs for cycling, that would be allowed in the TCD. I mean, we don't have any signs that say cyclists or race ahead or anything like that. And so that's my, that's why I'm reserved on supplying is that we don't have a proper sign, something happens, and then the county is held liable to some standard. So maybe if We can reach out to the county attorney, see if she has any input. We do have some just caution signs. We have road closures to traffic signs. We do have some signs, but that's my concern of supporting.

Thank you for your blessing. Council's not here for advice.

Oh, John.

My understanding, you've been in Mills County previously on your gravel road tours, is that correct? Yes, 3 minutes.

Yes, yes. Q and a it's just 3 minutes.

Yeah. Well, I think I think you know. I don't want to say, you know, I don't want to put the county in a bind by saying. Well, I put out some road closure signs or put up cross bars or something like that. I feel we should do something, but I.

My personal opinion, if he is familiar with putting on the races, I guess supply your own signs and then we say allow them. Yes, this works, but we're not liable for sending them off.

We got mad at him and said, hey, can you get four bicycle signs that were attached to our... Yeah, or the temporary ones that fit up on the side of the road.

Something like that.

At this point, and I've let Chris know that he needs to coordinate with Jacob and the sheriff because you guys can't take action on it. It was too late to get on the agenda.

It's a Saturday.

Yeah, it's a Saturday. And we got called, I think, yesterday morning sometime. So I just continue to just, you guys want to deal with what you can do. And if you can't, then maybe next year we can coordinate a little better and bring an EMA and have a conversation about it.

I think this also, and Greg would agree, speak to the fact that it would be nice to have an ordinance of, like, if there's an event coming to Melcioni, a permit process or something where it goes through our department so we can have a say or we can speak to stuff like this. I know Matt Wyatt started that, and then, I don't know for what stage we're at, but it would be good to get that going again. And it's not a surprise. Yeah. Go to the website, fill this out.

I can follow up with that. Yeah, and then I'll see you guys. I haven't seen a rat.

Hey. Anything else on that? Not will move to public comment.

He still has something to say. And then move your public comment. I mean, there's nothing else on the cyclist, right? Okay. Now we're coming, Henry.

Henry Clark, Glenwood, Iowa. I just have two questions with regards to property tax. There's a couple ways to reduce property tax. One is just reduce spending. The other one is increase revenue. The other one is actually to increase your tax base. I've highlighted two items on this. First one, I'd like to talk Actually, the second one I recommend, we start licensing outside jurisdiction companies coming in here. $1,000 per year, $500 fine if they don't have them. For a bedroom community, that means most of the people that live here, their property tax dollars related to their businesses are somewhere else. We don't get the benefit of those property taxes. A lot of those companies, however, they get to come down here and use our citizenry to make money. So, That's the justification for the $1,000 per year. As far as how this would handle, I consider this to be about a $300,000 per year revenue increase. That would probably be about, I would say, give $50,000 to the license department and the rest to the sheriff's department because they're going to monitor it. You have to have someone to monitor it. On the back, it continues. Once we have that lockdown, I recommend we do a sales tax audit, about $30,000 per year extra. If you go back seven years on sales tax, that might be another $210,000. Along this line of thinking, I recommend we start charging out-of-jurisdiction fees, $50 for a license. One of my buddies, he's from Council West, he likes to come down and get his license. That's the line. I would also start to charge some sort of $500 for a fee. Again, if they're out of jurisdiction. That's one item. The first item on the line, I recommend we get rid of the emergency management department. Y'all can get the better numbers. I'm not talking about in one section of there, but I'm talking just emergency management. I haven't looked at these numbers in a long time, but I'm going to use $400,000. Now, at first, you've got to have one. And actually, technically, we might have to have one. So if we have to have one, I'd say four hours, either you engineering department, sheriff's department safety. Hey, four hours on Friday, all you do is that. I'll never get caught up. Yep, that's the point. Just do what you can do. The reason I'd say emergency management is, I actually don't think we have emergency management. A good friend of mine died from that flood, okay? Why wasn't he stopped? Why didn't someone rescue him? Why didn't someone go with him to try to get to his farm, okay? I brought water. I bought eight pallets of water. Why did I buy water? Why did someone have to figure out where to put it? All these are natural things. I would say, folks, it's an emergency. Where are we getting the body bags from? Where are we getting the reefer truck from or cooler? We've got an agreement with someone local to put bodies in. These are all things. To me, the best place for emergency management is kids' place, Jack. Superintendent and this management there put together in which demand plan they have on every walk, which last time I was there. This happens, call this. This happens, do this. This happens, do this. Emergency management is about preparedness. Sheriffs here, I would recommend we stop doing active shooter training. We have a plan together. Most shootings are done over two and a half minutes. They're done. It's very hard for officers to get anywhere here in Malvern and get in and penetrate. Half the people that die could have been saved. They could have been saved if we had an emergency management plan, emergency first aid. The people won't get there in time. You have three minutes to bleed out, three minutes not to have oxygen. Not that we would not have but I still recommend it. Thanks for your consideration. One last thing, looking for a 20-year tax payer. Thank you very much.

Ideas to look at, that's all we can do. Anybody else? Two weeks in a row? That's right.

Write that down.

She brought us goodies, too.

She's saving me. I know, that's what I'm saying. I'm saving up. Hey Jacob Google to hire.

I think. I guess I can't.

Someone that just kind of happened around.

Alright, so I think our experience going through this time of post position and hiring really shows that our step based system is doing what we want to do. got two applicants this time that had a lot of experience a lot of times for a wellness position it's open for six months and we still end up going with someone that's no experience but you know a really good attitude a lot of willingness to learn we found someone um within probably what was it posted for two two weeks maybe three weeks that has a lot of experience he has three out of his four dot certifications has um experience with closing out projects. He worked with the DOT as a highway technician. He's also been on the contractor side in the asphalt industry, so he's bringing a lot of experience to the table. Very personable, very self motivated, so excited to hire him. He's passed all of his pre employment trainings, flying colors, no concerns there. I recommend that he starts with Mills County August 10th. That is a Monday. Uh, starting way to the coordinates with the step based system of 2987. How about food at 2987?

I would make the most of the approval at higher by super canceled for engineering technician. A stable. So. I'll say. In motion made and seconded. Higher Isaac against all.

For engineering technician at 2987 per hour. Is there a six month?

It would be one year when he gets one year of probation then. The probation is six months, OK? Set basis.

Any other discussion? Questions? Not all those in favor.

I agree.

I'll get it to her. I'll just make a copy. Okay.

You can also do some surveying and stuff then.

He has a little bit of experience with the survey. Both of the sites in the inspection and material testing. But he has that one a little bit in surveying. He's done the GPS on the rover.

So he's got a lot of experience with it.

Did you get a chance, just wondering, did you get a chance to talk to Jelaine? She'll be here Monday.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, he wanted to start. He was ready to start right away.

I figured you guys did it.

Yep.

General discussion, state bill mobilized in yesterday. They got three miles out of 12 miles done on H12. Should finish that up today. We talked with them. We have a couple of repairs we're going to do in Maniola. So then they finish up H12 in Maniola today. Then they're going to hop over to Deacon, weather dependent. I know we're discussing rain in the forecast, so it might not be this week. And then they should get all that done in one day. DENCO's on site today. And then we're working with 10 Point. They should be coming later this month, as well as our pavement, painted pavement marking contractor. They're looking at August 24th, so second, third week, we should have another. A little more maintenance contractors coming in. With this rain, we're taking advantage of that. We got all blades out, blades, except the ones we're not keeping in H12 if they need to be. But again, Take use of that moisture and get the roof shaped up and dry. It's hard to keep the washboards out, so. Also planning next Wednesday for safety meetings in our department. So you guys are welcome to come on the potluck. I don't have a guest speakers. We'll be up there with some videos and discussions, but we'll probably have an early lunch, closer to 11.

That's all they got, but I will stick around. That's the agenda item.

Carol, come on up.

We'll bring you right up front and center. I'm one of the top officers on Raleigh. I was one of the top. You don't want to hear this, Jimmy. It was going into a property that I wanted to sell. And it was a wooded area there. But this road on Rob had about 12, I don't know, years ago. I know Blankenship was on. We've had a little discussion on this. And there's some people down there asking, couldn't they do this? They built a house down there.

I'm not letting them be. And so they would come in to the board and made a spiel for us. I wasn't there, but one member told me.

She got away, but there's about a mile and a half that they rocked. She'd already built her house down there if she knew that. I think she probably needed the rock.

I said, how did she get that done? By that, I guess, George Lincoln should have said, give her the rock. Just when the rock ends, this property of mine keeps on going another 610 feet. And there's a picture of that. People are driving down it. It's on Facebook. They're using that road. They're using it.

It's not a dead end road. And I just asked them to lock it.

And I know there's things that the counties did for me. I see things that's happening around here. And the county's out there clearing the building, please. County crews, they never have ever cut one tree off of my building. I kept it clean myself. And I took it, we took a bridge out. And I converted one. That was on the 11B road. that had a 22-ton load limiter, and you didn't have to replace it. That was because of me. Yes, it helped me, but it cost me a lot of money to work that too. I mean, I did that, and I didn't think I got quite dream life. They would ballast and stuff out my feet, but no, they didn't.

It wasn't quite load stuff, but I cleaned it up, and I've hired some money. them about 610 feet. No, don't have that house.

So that's all I'm asking. And I'm kind of naive about some of this stuff for about acres. And one side of this road, it's three acres. The other's two, I guess. I'm learning. And the front is 300 feet, and the precise requirements. Yeah, it just, but I'm kind of naive about some of that stuff that I just, you know, and probably, I know, so I guess I asked Jake as well, maybe I could pay for part of it or whatever and pretty well. That's right. They don't like you sure I want that only that only thing difference But all I'm saying is there's other people using that road that I'm going to have to pay for myself It's just not not again People's going up there on Facebook. They come from Des Moines talk down this way They come down over the four-wheeler, but they're using that road, but I'm gonna have to pay for the box

So I think as the board, you guys have a couple options. Put out in front of you our chapter eight, reduce maintenance roads for level B road ordinance. Second page F, there'll be no servicing materials to apply to area service level B system roads. So that right there is, we're not in the market for putting rock down on level B roads. The rest of the ordinance talks about reduce maintenance, little to no maintenance during the winter. So when I'm pushing snow, things like that.

If your policies changed, who changed these policies?

My understanding is back then, probably what happened is they shifted the line from the level A roads to the level B roads. So that's another option the board can do is okay let's make our level b start 617 past that i would highly recommend against that for a couple reasons one it's reduced maintenance level b for a reason because it's low traffic and it's much cheaper it's not just the world's traffic is well enough i see a lot of people coming down here yeah yeah but we have i believe 78 miles of earth road level b road They're functioning properly right now as level B.

Those houses, Saturday, I just go around Eastern Park. A lot of level B roads over there next to Montgomery. But most of them don't have any houses. They're fun. They don't have houses.

And the other thing is here, if I sell this, can I build a house on it?

What's going to happen? What's going to happen?

Somebody goes housing. They'll probably be in here in the board begging for us to rock it.

What else? You'll be telling them out when they get stuck. Is Assessor going to come down now? Is Assessor going to come down now? Is that going to put revenue back into the county?

Yeah.

Huh?

So another option, and I've looked at our county forums because this situation comes up a lot in other counties. Something that other counties have allowed, which I would run through our attorney, but I believe would still fit within our ordinance, is we allow it where he pays for the rock to put it down. However, our maintenance crews do not maintain it as a level A roof. That means when someone calls, hey, the rock's all full of mud and it's locked forward if We don't resurface. We don't ever put rock down. We can kind of keep it in shape, but we're not going to do winter maintenance on it. This is what the county...

I took this picture from...

Right. Yeah.

The problem with that is why that... And they're calling me, and the guy... They walked up to my door, and the man... I said, well, you have a cell phone, you know, and you're talking about road signs and this and that. And I, I wouldn't do it more well if the guy didn't comprehend it. This guy was caught by, he don't, I didn't call him out. And he said, his phone, I said, Chris said, he says, you know, I didn't call him out. But I went back down there and something happened. And he got pulled out. that they asked me first. But I wouldn't put them onto a truck and pull something like that out and pull them off the car. If you know, is that the way? Is that the way? Is that the way? Is that the way? Is that the way?

So the problem with allowing a resident to rock it, even though we don't maintain it thereafter, is A couple things. One, with level B, we're not pushing snow on it. So if someone builds a home on there, you're going to expect they're going to try and do their own maintenance to the roadway. Again, we refer to the county attorney. Are we assuming some sort of liability? Are we letting them do their own maintenance, plow their own snow, have their own equipment on the roadway since we're not? So those are some things to consider if they're on there. Also, something would have to be really put in writing so that decades down the road, when the board changes, engineers change, whatever, residents change.

Why did they change it when they dropped the road for a mile and a half down there? It was a level B road. I believe they did.

They moved our signs. Yeah, I believe so. I believe they did transition that into a, you could probably do a new little street view.

The sign says down there, block ends and blah, blah.

we could look at that past resolution because that would be transitioning that program provided so you'd want it well documented so that in 10 20 years when whoever's living there calls say hey you need to put rump on my road you can pull the document out and say hey absolutely we're not going to this was established back then we're not maintaining it it is a level b system i think there's some faults with doing that but the option you guys could consider Another thing that a lot of counties do, they put in a whole policy. If someone wants to do this, they have it spelled out what they need to do, pay for to upgrade it to the level A program. Yeah, I recommend against that because the reason it's level B is because it's reduced maintenance, reduced cost. So over time, just because they put it to a class A initially and pay for it, then the county has to maintain it forever thereafter.

But you're saying you want to save money. And I see this thing out here that you're spreading along the roadways of farmers that don't keep the trees out of the, like I say I do, and they got a truck in front, and they got a truck in back, and the wood's flying all over. It's dangerous, and they have to have somebody. I don't know what you call it. They're taking those. I thought, and they're saying you want to save money. And do you think I've saved the county money over the last 60 years if I keep my roadways clean? Huh? I'm going to ask you. Do you think I've saved the county money?

Yeah, we appreciate that. But I think that's a little irrelevant.

I saved the money by taking the bridge out.

Let's stay on track here, Cheryl. So we're talking about this and what you want to do.

I'm just saying, the country's been good to me. But I asked for it.

I think another important thing the board should hear, too, is what kind of message do you want to send to the public? So if you allow this, ultimately what you're incentivizing is for people to buy land on dirt roads. They're going to get a cheaper price. It's going to be closer to ag land. then have the county rock it or they rock it, and now they can sell it as residential land. So we're kind of encouraging people to purchase land, move out, build off of level B roads. This is actually the third request we've had this summer of rocking a portion of a level B road. Totally the same thing. We don't do that level B, purchase land with level B. We're not going to upgrade it just so that you can build your home and have access to that. So I think that's something to consider too, because you kind of are going to incentivize development, these lower cost properties, and then they'll come back to try and get the county to pay for, or at least if they pay for the rock initially, then they would want the county to make payment thereafter. And so that's something to consider too, of what is the reason for it, what is the county's Right, that's what I said here too, is that if at all the board has the option, but if we kept it a level B, then make it very clear the county is not going to maintain that service. If we did, we would be outside of our current limits. So either the policy would have to change or they'd have to be different.

Well, it's changing sometimes, when they rock that mile and a half. I can tell you why they rock the road.

So the person lived there for a long time.

Then they wanted to do some upgrades to the house, and they could not get financing for it because the bank would not give them the loan because it was on a level B. So that was her angle towards the board, and the board allowed that and said, go ahead, let's do that. But we do have some loans. Deacon Carter is a good example. They live on a level B road. And they've asked us to rock it, and they said, no, we'd be interested in entertaining the fact that they could vacate the road, because that's a dead end. But they were interested in that.

No, I know.

I'm not saying it's an exact comparison. I'm saying we do have moments that do live on level people.

But they come down here from two or three four-wheels, coming down there constantly on the weekends, commuting there. And I got to rock.

Thank you, Mills County.

Well, I get to follow that. You got to wait a minute. I don't think so. Jake, can you come back in the last section?

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah.

Well, good morning.

On the agenda this morning, I'm asking you to accept the resignation. My intention, my understanding is delicate.

Walked out of the middle of the ship since she turned in her resignation and has not done so.

She's unturned in her time. Last week. Walked out last week.

I just contacted her and that's not successful.

Do we have to approve your termination?

I don't believe so. I don't think we do either. But like I said at this point, I asked her. I hope to do a post post resignation interview with everybody that's walked away so I can get an idea of what's going on, what happened. But I do have some documentation from her trainer that she was actually struggling very, very hard in the training process. So I guess it's not surprising that it ended up this way. Unfortunately, like I said, it would have been nice to come back He was heard about impersonations. We are in the process of saying our name, but our termination.

You see your way. But other than that, I don't have anything else that's on the agenda. For the discussion, I should get some questions. And I. And I. You send a copy of this one.

Not yet.

You'll be getting a copy of the law enforcement services contract for the city of Tabor. Public work with the county attorney's office through that process. It has to come up for you to vote and accept. I'd prefer to have Richard sign that contact. It seems to be going very well. We've been very well received for the city of Tabor in terms of active control.

Well, I don't know.

Well, I believe it is. But it's just the city limits of the entire city limits of paper track, not just in this county.

Okay. This county would cut off on La Monte. Everything south of La Monte would be approximately two miles.

Let me see if I have it.

Well, you guys are playing with that. This is not for all of you. Thank you.

Yes. And that was through Travis, anyway. Not up here, no. That's why I can send it to him.

That's my issue.

Excuse me, can you hear me now?

No. Andrew, what is it? Board of Supervisors? No, just board.

Right? Supervisors.

What was it? Like the boardroom one? Oh, it's like boardroom or something.

Do boardroom.

That goes to the email here. It's boardroom.

Not the AV one, just boardroom. Yeah, yeah. There will be an attachment. Another bottom of the outlook. There we go. Do you scroll down?

Travis.

But the, I don't know, they didn't send the attachment. Get the city. Yeah.

You showed the middle segment from outside. So, yeah, so looking at.

The map that Travis has, it's going to come city of Tabor and through here. Jets out, come up this way.

That includes the, obviously the notches on the north side. So there's quite a bit of area that goes outside where it's actually populated.

So, yeah, it would include the school. Would we be liable for an officer at the school?

No. Fremont Mills and Sitton have an agreement with the Fremont County Sheriff's Office to continue to provide the school resource officers for local schools.

Do you have a project for that?

Are you making money on it? But that's to cover costs, I think, yeah.

In a nutshell, what I do is I just, the six cities that are in Mills County now that we have contacted, I combine the numbers that I do per person and took the average of those six. I'm still not 100% sure where those numbers came from in the first place. So what I did is I just took the average and I thought, I'm not going to overcharge anybody, I'm not going to undercharge anybody. That's the average of the six. That's a decent number. We are working. There's an agreement in place. We're going to continue this to include a mileage charge. We can arrest somebody in the city of Tabor on the Fremont County side, bring them to the Mills County Jail. However, in the event that we have to transport a prisoner that's a Fremont County arrest to the Fremont County Court, we will charge the city of Tabor for the mileage and the only time.

That's we're still in the process of completing that city. But like I said, unfortunately, I came back on Monday.

It was too late to get on the agenda to bring this to you today. You'll get a copy of you have a chance to read through or it's only a two month contract.

This one. Correct. We have time if we want to make any revision. Correct. Future.

And there's also a kind of share of a stroke. has not brought the contract, my understanding, to any of the cities in Fremont County. So they have not seen any contracts for 2026-27.

We're in the process of trying to ask for those. I don't know where they're at.

If he brings the contract to them, the city of David has the option to go back to Fremont County for coverage, should they choose.

And then they have the two months with us, and then they can opt out. Like I said, it's been so far.

The guys are going to go on there, so they're getting nice waves in this night. They said it appears it's just people are happy to see that. Which is good. We have, you know, 70 residents of Tabor that are on the Mills County side that we're responsible for. They had zero coverage. They don't have a contract. They're not counting. Maybe it's some sort of coverage. I'm happy to fill in for the time being and hopefully I guess hopefully they can get things worked out one way or another, whether they stay with us or they go back to Fremont County so that the people of Tabor could be received that 911 coverage.

Don't leave them hanging. That's for sure. Other than that, I don't have anything else.

So do we want action on this resignation or termination or until we get the correct Yeah, we won't do anything with it. All right.

Thank you, Drew. I don't have my name on that.

Let's see. And my name is David. I'm taking a look over. I am divisible them about their upcoming project that was productive and I had a. I SEC legislative policy meeting, so I was chair.

Very simple. Not learning this.

In new business we had talked about last week at the meeting. may be working with the lincoln building a payment i would like to see a little more of their balance sheet you know some things that maybe maybe this was put out too early maybe they don't pay it I think they should, for instance, like their storage income and stuff from farm equipment and boats, things like that. Put it in the fairgrounds down there. There's no storage equipment or income. There's only a $300 grant. It's a minor thing, and I think that if we're going to take $20 of tax dollars like that before this I think we need a little clearer picture. Auction checks that wasn't put in yet because this I think this made before the auction was complete. Well, cash flows, cash flow in and out and then to exactly see where they spend our 44,000 to give them. Yeah. Actually see where they spend that. I mean, it's up to them. We don't say, well, no, you can't do this, this, but they're really not that on there. And I'm not trying to be a hard person, but I think if we're going to do this properly, I think we need to look good in the eyes of the people.

You'd be willing to

call the fair board and ask for that information. I'll see what I can get stirred up.

Do you still want them on the agenda next week?

Let me see what I can find out first, okay?

I'd like to have our ducks in a row before we put it on the agenda for action. I'll just wait until you guys. I'd just like to see what I can see it paid for.

You can help out with local options sales tax, which we have quite a bit left. Save them from paying interest and saving our dollars.

That also goes to Lincoln Building. It works out in the end, but I agree with you, Richard, that all the information should be available.

I went to a reception there Saturday night, so I took a check with me because I hadn't paid for Barb's funeral and stuff there. And I talked to Dave Boone. I said, Dave, how do you handle this? Well, I said, that's not my ballpark. I'm going, okay, who is? Or whoever takes care of the building stuff. That's what I'm trying. That's what I'm running into a roadblocks of who's taking care of the building. And, you know, they used to have a regular place in here, you know, listed what money they brought in from each project they had. So there are just some things that don't quite fit with me. And then I don't know that we can do anything with the water line going from, you know, they're going to put it into Pony Creek and go on up.

That's the conservation.

Deacon? Yeah, Deacon's already got the water line. We'd have to run it. They would have to extend it about another mile. Get them connected so they would have a loop. They wouldn't get caught without water sometime or something. Because I look for, if they get water in that area, good water, that could grow tremendously. people like that area, you know. And I think you guys got enough water pressure to push it all up to Turkey Ridge.

Specifically, yeah, Gobbler Ridge.

If we did, if it was looped, it would help the entire system and provide better fire protection.

And I can see the loop going on over the hill down to the 190th Street eventually. So, but we need to get some rural water out in this county. It is a very big drawback. I talked to people from Missouri when I was at NACO, and the Missouri legislators did this. You build a house more than 200 feet off of the road on your 911 sign, it will have a footage underneath it. how far they have to drag hoes. They do not drive down anybody's lane with fire truck, ambulance, or anything else.

Well, they don't build them.

The state should have made them build their roads big enough to handle. Guy said, we got a 5,000 gallon water. He says, that's heavy. He said, then you get back to the house, and you can't get turned around. And here you are looking at this house is 100 feet from you and you can't move.

I've heard the same complaint about a lot of developments around the Glenwood area. It's hard to get a fire truck in at the subdivisions.

Yeah. So, no, there's some things that really need to be looked at.

On that note, the LMI, the money that we have is all we're going to get. We can't certify for LMI anymore. I am. meeting hopefully next week with Amy, Dorsey, and Whitney to discuss our current development agreements, which might have to be amended before we might certify for anything for TIP again.

Are we going to let it go or what?

It's not a requirement anymore, so we can't hold it back. I mean, we can hold what we have, but we can't ask for anything. So we can amend those TIP agreements to either, you know, they get the full amount now and then we pay them off faster, get them back on the tax rolls, or we only certify for that percentage, and then we get that other percentage back on the tax credit. So it's a conversation we'll have to have, but the LMI funds that we have now are what we're going to have. We will not be getting more unless there are changes in mind at some point. And I can get an accurate accounting of that. I've got to do the urban renewal report anyway in November, so I'll get a handle on how much exactly we have. So as far as the Pony Creek thing, I'm going to wait for you guys to tell me when to put that on the agenda and also for the Fairport stuff.

What's the development with that water line? Does GMU know where they're going to get the funds from? No, Pony Creek is driving the bus on that. They're the developer. Do we have kind of a timeline from them?

No. We'll come through Sitco. That's who they're working with. So it'll all be mostly federal money that they'll be doing it with. It probably makes the third time we've had it lined up. It is very, very close to us.

This time they seem to have a lot more teeth in it. The board has changed there, and they know they need it.

They'll save what it's going to cost them in water. They'll save a big chunk in insurance money. Absolutely. Or fire. Absolutely. by having a fire hydrant, or a blob, or whatever they put them, you know, .

But they're the developer on it. GMU is just, it will be the pass-through. They would have to build it to a GMU spec, dedicate the line to PJ.

One thing that Slipco is not allowing is the loan that they're getting is for GMU to own their system. So that's what they're working on now is, they will have to own their own system privately.

GMU would have a meter on the east side of the lake. Honey Creek would own the main coming under the lake to their development . GMU can service it and maintain it, they just would not own it.

The funds from that loan, but it also, my understanding is that it would also go to

So north of where the line is currently on Deacon and Brokamp County.

Because of that, is the money only going to be available on the line for the end? That's the million dollar question. What does the system, Jim, you have to do to provide them the water that they need? And then further out is the design phase. Looting it would be best.

Down to Party Creek. That would bring it off the two pressure zones. That way, if they lost one, break, they can valve it off and still feed from the other side.

They may not have the fire protection until the leak is fixed, but they would at least continue to have running water.

It would be clean water instead of what they're drinking now.

We could spill the design first.

Last thing I got is just a question for us three here. Mr. Mike is coming in at 11 o'clock. Would you want to start with a later date? That's next week. That's what I'm saying, for next week.

Oh. What, a later time? A later time. Or a later time. You guys can recess. We could just have that 11 o'clock and get a standalone meeting at that point. You just do a regular meeting and then do 11 o'clock. Three cards. I've got them. All right. I GOT A FEW PEOPLE ON THE AGENDA, SO I DON'T WANT TO START LATER, BECAUSE I'VE GOT TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS. NO, IT'S OKAY.

IT WAS ONLY A SUGGESTION.

AND I DO HAVE SOMETHING FOR NEW BUSINESS. REMINDER, ON THE STUDIO BOARD MEETING, I THINK IT'S NEXT THURSDAY? 13? DOES THAT SEEM RIGHT?

WE HAVE TO GET IN.

I THINK THEY WANT THE AGENDA ITEMS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I THINK DEBBIE'S GOING ON VACATION. Yeah, so if you guys get those tweets and they are great and then I can get those off to them.

And I'm going to try and keep like on. It didn't get put on this week's agenda. We have a meeting Thursday night. Silver City EMS. No. All we need is something that. Hospital. possible form meeting.

Do you want that for each of the EMS scheduled EMS meetings? Let me write myself that. Does anybody have a list of those?

Yes, they're in the Malvern paper. They're very... I think that one's... That one's the 17th is the next one, I think. You can stick those on our agenda.

That would be handy.

Yeah, I'll do it.

I'm with the fire department. Facebook and has all the dates and locations.

This is going back to my tenants.

I don't have anything else, please. I will be state fair and Superboard meeting, so I apologize. Motion to adjourn at 513 that will be our present. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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