City Council - Regular Meeting

. Bertrand. Raiford. Here. Shaner. Scott.lo Here. I'll move to go into csed session to a discuss strategy with counselbout matters that are presently in litigation, because publicdisclo prejudice o or disadvantage the positionf the city in that litigation. Second. Raiford I. Scott Bernstein, I.

Bertrand Raiford I. Shaner, Scott I Bernstein I. I make a motion to adjourn to closed session. Second. Raiford I Shaner I Scott I Bernstein I.

Raiford. Here. Shaner. Here. Scott. Here. Bernstein. Here. Bertrand. Stand for a moment of silent prayer, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance, please. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Yes, Sam. Out there. Yeah. Sam Wagner and Kelly, you got something to do here today. Please come forward. Come on, a regular. Sam. Hey, I told you, I'll be back. So here we go. This time, as a duly designated representative of MidAmerican energy, here to present a check in the amount of $5,000 as a grant through our trees. Please program. So I'm going to make my remarks brief, and that's pretty much it. So thank you again. Thanks to Kelly and and the Parks Department for putting in the application and giving me a reason to come before the City Council without being in trouble. So thank you. We always like it when you come with checks, Sam. All right. Thanks, Sam. Thank you. I have a proclamation that just says

Public Works Representatives. Okay, everybody. Whereas the Public works professionals provide essential services to protect the health, safety and quality of life, allowing for sustainable and resilient communities as well being and the well-being of the people of the City of Sioux City. Whereas, these services could not be provided without dedicated efforts of public works professionals who are employees at all levels across our six divisions who are responsible for rebuilding, improving and protecting our infrastructure and transportation network. Wastewater treatment, stormwater treatment, solid waste operations, fleet management and renewable energy essential for our citizens. And Whereas, the public interest for the citizens of Sioux City to gain knowledge of and to maintain a progressive interest and understanding of the importance of public works and public public works programs in their respective communities. Whereas, the year 2026 marks the 66th Annual National Public Works Week, sponsored by the American Public Works Association. Now therefore, I robbery Scott, mayor of the City of Sioux City, Iowa, on behalf the City Council, do hereby proclaim May 17th to the 23rd as National Public Works Week. I urge all citizens to join with representatives of the American Public Works Association and government agencies and activities, events and ceremonies designed to pay tribute to our public works professionals, engineers, managers and employees, and to recognize the substantial contributions they make to protecting our national health, safety and quality of life.

I'll let you guys present this to you and tell us all those activities that we need to take part in. Thank you mayor. Mayor, council, and members of this community. Thank you for recognizing the National Public Works Week and your continued support for the Public Works Team. Public works impacts the daily lives of our residents in many ways, from maintaining infrastructure and protecting public health, to responding to emergencies and supporting community growth. I especially want to thank our dedicated employees for their hard work, professionalism and commitment to serving Sioux City each and every single day. We're proud to serve this community. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Thank you. All right. We'll go to the consent agenda items two through 13. B. You can consider these items passed unanimously unless a separate roll call vote called for by a council member. Anybody want to speak on an agenda item may come up at the podium at the time the item is being discussed. Anybody wishing to speak on an item, not on the agenda, may do so at the end of the regular meeting. During citizen concerns, fill out a citizen concerned card found. You don't have to do that. Not this late. All speakers must state their name. I'll move the consent agenda. Second two is a reading of the City Council minutes of May 11th, 2026. One item. Heidi, can you on the council concerns of those minutes, I had asked the question about how each city Department is going to manage its fuel costs in light of the increased fuel cost increases, and the minutes simply show that I was asking about the airport, but I was asking about all city departments you want us to amend, or are you just clarifying? Please, we need to vote. I'll move that amendment.

Second. Shaner, I, Scott Berenstein I, Bertrand Rayford I three is a resolution approving the annual action plan for the Sioux City Consortium in conjunction with the Community Development Block Grant program and the Home Investment Partnership Program. Four is resolution accepting the work of knife River Midwest for the Hamilton Boulevard resurfacing project. I just have a question on this on the funding of this project. It notes that there's in sale sales, in transfer, in transit. Why is a sales tax supporting a public works project? 60% of it has to go to public works project or 40%. It's in the bond. It's in the resolution that was passed back in the 90s when I was here, that so much has to go for infrastructure improvements. Is that what the sales tax generated would have to local option sales tax does? Yes. Yeah. So much. Assistant city manager yes. So a portion of it it was passed when we increased the sales tax for that 1% that we actually get back. So a portion of that has to go to infrastructure. So it's not necessarily always this project, but we put it towards an infrastructure project in the CIP. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Five is a resolution amending resolution number 2026-40440 by extending Food Truck Fridays events dates through August 28th, 2026. Question on the food trucks what are we paying now for food truck fee per year? When's the last time it was raised? Rick, are you talking about Food Truck Fridays specifically or the food truck? Just in general, isn't it? Is it the same permit? Isn't it? There's a different.

No, they have to have a city permit. I'm not sure if Angel could address that. Food truck. Fridays is $300 a truck for the season? For the season? Yep. Sorry, Reagan. Cody, that's a Siouxland health permit, not the city Sioux City permit for those guys. Does inspect fire inspects now. Yes. Do they? Yes. Angel Wallace, Parks and recreation supervisor. So we do have a permit that food trucks can go on our riverfront and that's for free. So Food Truck Fridays is separate from Parks and Recreation oversees for food trucks. They pay 300 bucks to park for the year. They pay $300 for the for food truck Friday specifically just that group. You mean just that group? Correct. Be a member. Right. And then they go through the district health department and the fire department. So that lets them park, like in the Morningside Library parking lot and all that too. Or is that a separate permit? Separate? That would be a question for Joe. Joe Rodriguez with the fire department is usually the one who goes out to to inspect those. But no, I'm just curious is that, like I said before, is, you know, Julie, you owned a restaurant too. And, you know, those guys don't pay a lot of property taxes and a lot of cash, business and stuff. I'm just kind of curious. And what are they kicking into the kitty if we're giving up like food truck Friday like everybody else. But you know what I mean? It'd be it's kind of hard when you're trying to do lunch five days a week and one day gets taken away from you. I know it's the old scenario. I'm not trying to be the Debbie Downer, but what's. Can you get back to me on what the. At the library, the dollars are the permits. So there's no fee at the library. Morningside because that's public property. No. Okay. That doesn't mean they can park there for free necessarily. That's what I'm asking. I thought there was always like a $2,500, something like that for the year. The other communities do that where they come in, and that includes the inspection and everything. We'll follow up. Can we follow up? I'm not trying to poke the bear, but I wouldn't mind seeing a little revenue out of that. And thanks. That's a resolution authorizing the Neighborhood Services Division to submit a grant application to the Federal Home Loan Bank for affordable

Housing Program funds for the Midtown Terrace Project seven resolution inviting proposals for the sale of land in the Teton Urban Renewal area. Announcing the intent to accept the proposal of Outer Banks apartments and scheduling a hearing property at 4203 Denise Court. Quick question on this. Who's here on this item? I think this is a great, great project. I know that there's a waiver of 50% of the property taxes as it relates to city funding. Do they seek a city, a similar county or school district waiver as well? Clayton Bank for economic development specialist. I'm not sure that they do right now. We can look into that. I'm just curious about the total receipt of of taxes. I know that we're waiving a portion. It's a great project. I'm just curious about the total. Yeah. Total financing. So this is specifically just to sell them the land. Right. I know the development agreement is still in works. So we can talk about that as that gets closer. The school district is exempt from that. Right. I'm assistant city manager. So when you're talking about tax when they do tax rebates, we actually we as the city manage 100% of the TIF. So you collect it for all three, correct. Okay. And then we we would be paid it back if we this agreement would go to council before January 1st. We would have the ability to do 100%. But as Julie said, with new legislation that that school levy Foundation levy is removed. So we'll need to relook at what we can do. That will put us up between 7,580%. We need to look at what that looks like compared to what our taxing so is there. So we'll move forward to notice the sale. It'll come back whether we receive other bids or not. We'll approve the sale. But we'll we'll revisit the components of the development agreement based upon the the tax. That will be another development. Okay. Very good.

The development agreement, as it's currently being noticed, will come back in the 30 days at the same time as the. Okay. If I'm remembering correctly on this one. Thank you. Yes. Actions relating to capital loan notes is a resolution directing the sale of General Obligation Capital loan notes to series 2026. A B is a resolution directing the sale of taxable general obligation Capital Loan Notes Series 2026. B I need to show us abstaining on the taxable loan. General taxable obligation bonds, please. Nine or actions relating to agreements and contracts. A is a resolution approving a Post-construction Stormwater Management Plan, maintenance agreement and easement with J. D tire services for the detention basin and accepting a permanent easement property at 4059 South Gate Drive. I just back up. Councilman Bernstein, are you abstaining due to a conflict? I don't yes, I'm abstaining due to a conflict related to security National Bank. Okay. Just for purposes of the record, if a conflict isn't noted, conflict of interest, it counts as a no vote. So we just need to clarify that it's a neutral abstention. It's a neutral. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Is that the bonds we sold today? Yes. What's that have to do with security bank. Security Bank is a participant with on the taxable portion of the general obligation bonds. So I need to abstain. So if you own stock in security bank that's why I'm abstaining. I better I better sustain myself if that's the case due to a conflict of interest. Well, I guess so. If I'm a shareholder, I suppose I do. I didn't see that part. I saw that, but okay. B is resolution approving an agreement with the Eagle View

for aerial photography services. Can I ask you. I'm sorry, Nicole, did you have a chance to look at this agreement, or did somebody in your department have a chance to look at the agreement? Refresh my memory. This is on the aerial. And in particular, I'm concerned about the Eagle View Pictometry. I've looked at it many times with many revisions back and forth. Okay. You're comfortable with the agreement. Well, this is where we ended up and we had no more room to move on. Okay. The conditions. I have concerns about the warranty language and the limitation of liability language. But you've done everything you can. Yes, Gordon's out there. We've been back and forth many times related to this. Unfortunately, this is where we ended up. All right. Thank you. See, as a resolution, awarding and approving a contract to Barkley Asphalt for the Lorraine Avenue resurfacing project. D is a resolution awarding an approving a contract to mark Albany for the Larson Park Road flood repair project. E is a resolution approving a non issue advisory services agreement with Creative Planning. F is a resolution approving an attorney fee contract. Tanner actions authorizing payments. A is a resolution amending resolution 2026-0323, which authorized payment to Ferguson Water Works for the annual fee associated with the Neptune 360 water meter reading software. B is resolution approvingha cnge order number one authorizing payment to marklb Aany for the Lorraine Avenueme Ergency Sanitary sewer repair project. So is the reason there was such a significant change order on this is because it was an emergency repair, and they can't fully understand the scope of thero pject.or Gdon Fair, city Engineer Yes, there

was a lot more bypass pumping on this one to make thatai repr than they had. We had planned on that.as So part of the they wouldn't have evaluatedt thaas part of the project, because you needed to get them in sooner without bidding the project. That's correct. Thanks. Is a resolution authorizing payment tok Mar Albanese for the removal of the temporary accessds roa off of South Lynn Street. D is aut resolion authorizing payment to mark Albany for the G Floydolf Course Storm Sewer Repair Projectur 11 pchasing a is are solution awarding a purchase order to Crouch Recreation forthe purchase of the Cone Pak outdoor Furniture B is resolution awarding aas purche order to Siouxland Bobcat for a Tob for Bcat skid steer loader C isio resolutn awarding a purchase, approving a purchase ordernt agreeme, and purchase order with Conner Sportsoo Flring for the Tyson Event Center. Basketballg. floorin Whatdo are we ing with the old basketball floor? Did we get that sold? Jessica, Johnson City Manager's office I'm not sure we haven't put it up for sale yet by any means, but we can lookg into dointhat through CMG. I'm not sure what we'll get outme of it. Sobody was interested in it. I know that we wein can certaly look into it. Okay. Well, sometimes those things disappear around here, and I want to make sure they don't just disappear. So. Okay. Thank you very much. 12 areon applicatis for cigarette tobacco nicotine vapor products. permit 13 are applications for alcoholon license anye to be heard on any of those items? Heidi, can you goho back and sw me some abstaining on 1282e on th liquor, on the tobacco license for the SiouxCo City

untry Club, please. Yes. a That'slso due to a conflict of interest. a I had a crownnd diet up there. the other day They didn't have any liquor in it, so Iew wouldn't ren their license.is Passes 5014 g a hearin an ordinance vacating a portion of North south b Valley ofudding lot three in b the blockounded by Fifth Avenue, Glenn Avenue, Southre Center Stet and South Clinton Street. The petitioners. Clarence Zone. Gordon. The PNC recommends denial. I'll move that second.ri Public heang is now open. Clarenceou Gordon, 2310, Sth Clinton.t You guys said las time I was here that you woulddecide on the vat then.nk So that's I thi that's why it's in front of us. Again, we did get an email today from someone that saidab they were unle to be here today, but had some concerns.is Okay, so th will be continued then. I don't know. I'm just g raising. Theentleman said that he worked until five. b Wasn't able toe here. I can pull it up.om And it was seone who utilizes the alley that'sil considering buding a garage, and she felt like it would block her access.d To me. It seem like she wanted toha get paid. That's wt it seemed like to me. Thereon is nobody beyd where I'm wanting to vacate the.sh It seems like e's wanting to get paid.r Gabriel, for you city planning. During the first hearing ated P, he submitt. Likeas a concern. He w in opposition to the g

vacation and itot denied. Got to council, got s denied, and alsoent an email this morning that he's still in opposition to it. Yeah. So this will be continue then, right?ot Or no, e can nm necessarily. And if I' not I mean if I'myo correct, th. Bend Mr. Gordon's area it deadf ends. It is because o the topography.it Right. Yeah. But 's also because of the retaining wall thate you built. Becaus we look at the area view.re And in 2010, 2014 the wasn't any retainingre wall. Oh but the taining wall. So he put it in. That retaining wall has been there w since that propertyas there. I rebuild it when my neighbor knocked it down redoing their retaining wall about ten n years ago. So it'sot something new that I a just put up. It waslready there. And the's retaining wall that in the alleyway, is c that right? But youan't drive over it. If you knock that down, you still cannot drive. You still can't drive, right? It's impossible. I mean, l without going out andooking at it. I gave you guys picturesbe last time. Nobody's en in that alley for years.wh For years. Right. So at's the vote? What's the vote to vacate? To vacate, to overrule. P and Z recommendedke denial. We're beig asd. So the vote t is to either supporthe denial, which is a a yes vote or no no, no vote. That's why I asked denial because it's aspp applied for. o he's alying for vacation a yes vote for his request. Wecan vo, itacates yes. Yes. So is u there any reason, basedpon the communication we receivedar today, either with regd toha broadened development tt that person wants to do, orpe Rick's point to be comnsated forhe impacting the value of tir property? That affectsds our voe today. It depen on the i council, but because liken

the initial the request thatng went to P and Z engineeri recommendedt' denial of that because is going to create a dead alley, deadt. end alley. They've had i The alley is alreadyyo dead. Yes. Yeah. But f u look at the area, the w area for the views thate are looking at in 2010, 2014, 2017, it looks r accessible. But because theetaining wall was built, if you look ats it when it rains, it blockthe sun. And that's whytt it has caused that hill a lile bit. But it alsoat serves as the they use th one to like takeow out trees when they fall dn. And also for like at. Well, I took outdo the trees today that fell wn back there. I've done all the maintenance in that since I've lived there foruy almost 27 yea. Okay. You gs don't maintain it. I know that that's fine. I'mor not I don't think I'm asking f anythinge unreasonable. Right around th corner. Right. Yeah. And if weas vacate, the neighbor still h a chance to buy that alley. Everybody. My h neighbor that hs the otheralf of where I'm at, she's sickit today, so she couldn't come wh me. She has no problem with it. o Just sayig it. And none of myther neighbors do. The only person that suffers a loss.op Patrick, you're never going to en this alley.t You've never opened it. You don'even go down it. But yett we want to stop a guy from can' go down it. Itge makes no. I know you couldn't t down there. If youot want to get down there, let's ve it. Let's get it out c of here. We can vote i. But theonsequence of voting and t vacating it is the neighbors havehe opportunity to buy half ofe the alley. The neighbor across thstreet. That'sd fine. Just so we've already adviseyou. No issue. She. She would s have been here with me today, buthe had the flu. Soil even though she's not here, she stl thank her for not beingd here. Yes. This is like your thirtime here. Get him out w of here. Yeah, okay. Just. I justant you to know that v anyone else hearing is

closed and Iote goes vacate a no vote affirmson the action of the planning and zing. Passes. Five zero will hold on the statutory. So the other person, if they want to come, can boom hearing p and resolution number 15. Approvinglans and specs for thent Nebraska Street water main replaceme project. I'll moveon that second hearings now open. Anye to be heard? Seeing none. The hearing isclosa resolution adopting a regional hardous mitigation plan. I'll move that. Second, publicar hearings now open anyone to be hed. Seeing none. Hearing is closed. Isy this plan? I know it's for a five count region. Other communities. They reviewed and approved the plan as proposed. Rachel city planning. They are in the process. Simcoe sent it back to us here probably abouter three weeks ago. And so I think evybody's in the process of approving it. So it's in theit's posted. If there's any concerns raed by any other communities. Yep. Thanks. Did that come up. and I missed it just right now. Okay 5017 hearing and resolution approving

proposal to sell that vacated part ofeig2 Saint Mary Street andk the vacated north south alleys in blocthree andhe six, adjacent to 702 Saint Mary's Street. Tl petitioners, Amy and Damian Pierce. I'lmove that t second public hearings now open. Anyoneo be heard. Seeing none. Hearing is closed. Passes n 5018 is an ordinance repealing ordinanceumber 2026-0464.o Amending chapter 12.30 Stormwater Program t modify the stormwater collection fees. First consideration was approved on May 11th, 2020second reading second. Anyone to be heard. Passes five zero. Anybody opposed waving the statutory rule? I'll move. Third reading. We got to move. I'll waive the rules. I'll second that. Scott Berenstein a Bertrand, a Rayford, a Shaner. I'll move third. Second Berenstein a Bertrand, a Rayford a Shaner. Scott 19. A resolution

inviting proposals for the sale of land in thecombD urban renewal area.f Announcing the intent to accept the proposal o Bishop Heelanro Catholic Schools and scheduling a hearing. The pperty at 1100 Douglas Street. I'll move that second. Good afternoon. I'm John Flannery, president of the Bishop Heelan Catholic Schools.h I'm here on behalf of our Cathedral of the epiany, the cathedral,oo dual language academy. Bishop Heelan, Catholic schls students, administration staff, our school board, all of which are represented here throughout the audience today. 7 Bishop Heelan has maintained this land for nearly0it years under an agreement with the City of Sioux Cy. This falls into c our strategic planning of maintaining a continuousampus that includesep not only Bishop Heelan, but the Cathedral of the iphany. Ourd strategic plan includes campus expansion where lanlocked to the west due to Prairie Creek,t South and North have additional challenges, and Eas is our most efficient with the least amount of barriers. We're in the process ofea purchasing Marian Hall at 1122 Grandview for new tcherce apartment living, releasing it this year from the diose and c have an offer to purchase it this summer. The landurrently acts as a pass through alleyway and has parking for our CYO building, along with a large grass area.d The main points of our needs stem from a safety an security standpoint. Acquiring this parcel of land from the city will provide a significant benefit to our schools by enhancing the overall safety, security and long term protection of our campus. Ownership of the adjacentba property would allow the school to create a physical rrier between the campus and surrounding traffic or public accesspr areas, helping to bettr control entry points and imovela student security during the school day and school reted events. Investing in this property is an investment in our long term stability, safety, and well-being of our entire school community. If this were to. become a public paved street, our campus would be severed If e this area were developed into a public street,

it wouldffectively divide our campus and create a direct passageway through the heart of school property, severely compromising the integrity and security of our campus. Such a roadway would render our CYO facility functionally unstable, excuse me, unusable for its intended purpose ass, it would o longer provide a safe environment for student staff, families, and visitors. The increased traffic flow, unrestricted public access, and separation of a key campus area would create a substantial safey concerns. School zones are part of thective transportation and safe routes to school portion of thek long term comprehensive plan for Sioux City. If this bloc were to become a paved street, it would go against those plans and increase the risk to pedestrian safetyig for our school and the cathedral campus. Additionally, the rht of way to reconstruct a school, a street would encroach onto the parcel and the cathedral parcel. Currently, our CYO building houses one a preschool classroom for our Cathedral Dual Language Academy, which has 20 students registered for next year. Two a kindergarten classroom for our Cathedral dual language program, which has 22 students registered for next year. So 44 students ages 4 to 6 years old. Our preschool and kindergarten students use the playground just to the north of this property. Every day, every school day, weather permitting.e Their main building is about a block away at the Epiphany nter, where the first through eighth graders reside. And those students do use the playground at the Boys and Girls Club. Unfortunately, that building, the epiphany Building, was erected in 1959, and our preschool classroom cannot move over to that building due to codes for preschool through the Iowa Preschool Initiative. Hence the current situation to leave these two classrooms in the CYO because we don't have another option in the Epiphany Center, our exercise science classroom at Bishop Heelan is also in the CYO. This year, we have 230 230 of our 515 high school students take exercise

science four days a week, and those students walk from the main building to the city center. Our wrestling room is also housed in the building, so we have about 25 wrestlers that are there. Due to major renovations over the last few years, our CYO building hosts about 20 freshman and JV basketball games annually. These games not only have Bishop Heelan students and families that attend, but other teams like the Sioux City Public Schools and Council Bluffs teams and their fans are. We. Our heel andfo youth athletics also use this facility on nights and weekends r practices and scrimmages. We've invested about 1.5 million into our CYO building in the last eight years. The building has heavy daily usage all year long. Even in the summer months, when our athletic teams lift weights, putting a street there would not only be a huge safety concern for these 4 to 6 year olds and the 230 high school students, but also the neighborhood in general has major safety issues. I truly appreciate the City Council is looking into ways to address our roaming populations in that area. Bishop Heelan is right in the middle of those concerns. Two recent and obvious examples I can personally provide. Last Tuesday night at 730, I was walking along the Prairie Creek Trail and our campus and I counted nine people either on our campus or within just a few steps of it. A few were on the trail, two were cutting through our main campus, and three were sitting on the retaining wallrir building. Yesterday morning, I walked from the CYO to mass at the cathedral at 9:30 a.m. and a homeless person was sleeping right behind our old sign, which is on this 1100 Douglas Street property. His position was seven paces to our preschool and kindergarten classroom. At 11:20 a.m. nearlyn two hours later, I returned by the same route and the homeless ma was still lying there. Additionally, a shirtless man was 20ft behind me walking down this property, and he was on

his speaker on his cell phone, shouting a profanity laced tirade on person in person to the person on his phone. These are real examples every day. Ifn Bishop Heelan were to purchase this property, we could finish the fce that we have currently started at the back of the rectory of the cathedral andf comes up towards our preschool and kindergarten playground. This would cut of the transient traffic we experience every day. John, I don't want to interrupt you, but the fencing that you're talking about would be on the east side. Yes. Not along the west side. You wouldn't even have a gate or something to get in from. Correct? Correct. Yes. Yes. Correct. Thank you. Jessica. Felix Bishop Heelan, Catholic Schools Board of Education representative. I wanted to speak on behalf of Cathedral of the epiphany. Right now. They're represented here today by their rector, Father David Escolano, Carla Kramper and Dan Criner. The cathedral is home is the home church of our Diocese of Sioux City, which covers 24 counties in northwest Iowa. The cathedral is currently the largest Catholic church in our diocese, with over 3000 families registered, not people families, which would make them one of the largest churches of any denomination in our area. The cathedral has a minimum of four weekend masses and two daily masses, and open and to open the street next to them would be a huge concern for the parish safety. The cathedral uses the block for our religious processions and the current configuration, and ensure safety of parishioners and visitors, as they do not have to deal with traffic. Most of the parcels surrounding the cathedral are owned by the diocese. The Cathedral church and or Bishop Heelan Catholic Schools. This acquisition will allow us to continue with our synergy of services for the community school and diocese, the Cathedral and Bishop Heelan Catholic Schools recently partnered on the new parking lot to the north of the church

as the abutting property owners to this parcel. It. It would be nice to have the ability to purchase 100 Douglas Street and the 11th Street parcels to ensure. Institutional block for the Diocese of Sioux City and Bishop Heelan. Catholic Schools. This is in compliance with the City of Sioux City. Long term comprehensive plan for this area and is an appropriate land use for the zoning of the area and consistent with other school campuses throughout Sioux City. The public schools in Sioux City do not have a public street through their campuses. They have a security fence and they have a buffer for off street parking. Bishop Heelan and the cathedral hosts many events that have individuals attend from outside Sioux City. Our campus and institutional block are a great extension of this city. We want a safe, secure, beautiful campus that is not only a reflection on our mission, but on the greater community of Sioux City. I have a question. You're a you're a engineer for roads, correct? Sir. You look at an aerial map. You look at a 2012 agreement that they signed, not me. Well, I think I signed it too, but it says that we're going to put a street through there. Now, there's a mystery of how this all of a sudden became a street project, when in reality, if you look, it takes you all the way to highway 75. We have one block that's not done. We made that clear in 2012. But now all of a sudden we're supposed to to not do those plans that have been in our system for quite some time. So to address the paving of the street, to provide that east west connection of 11th Street, there's other issues along that corridor that need to be addressed prior to this

one block, including over a half mile of residential zoning with stop signs, the Cargill operations on either side of the road with two railroad crossings, the 11th Street bridge load posting and lane reduction, and the BNSF LBBF railroad crossing near Lewis Boulevard. The Huon Valley Study of the early 2000 indicated that other potential options for east west connectivity are sixth Street and 18th Street. The 16th Street East West connection could be achieved by eliminating the one way traffic on sixth Street in the downtown area. Also, the state is investing in an agreement. I did not sign it personally. Well, why did they sign the agreement? You're speaking for them. Why did they sign it? That's what I don't get. Why did we revisit a mystery today? We we we revisit revisit agreements all the time. Mayor. And you also agreed at that time to do a lot of campus improvements in a parking lot. Was not one of them. Look, go back to the agreement. We're going to have a little chapel. We're going to have like a gazebo. We're going to have we're working on our faith walk. Unfortunately, mayor, that that agreement, there was no agreement because because the land was owned by Bishop Heelan Catholic Schools and transferred to the diocese. But now you're here as one group. And you were here as I was here. Sure you were here as one group. Then when you told us what you were going to do and you didn't do it, you didn't. I don't believe that to be accurate. Well, back up. They, they they also invested $30 million in a blighted neighborhood. Bob, things change in ten, 12, 13 years. And I agree. I understand that there if was there handshake agreements back then, I get the burn your saddle, I do, but the reality of it is, is that the healing is in an expansion mode. They don't want. They want the the city isn't dying for this one block of, of connectivity that

they think is going to happen. And at the end of the day, it's the expansion, for crying out loud. Why did we connect here? What is it? What does it matter? What did it change? Wanted it that you wanted that road by your campus at that time to to get your kids to school faster? Can you go back, Jessica or John? You you talked about acquiring properties a little bit further to the north on 11th Street. What would you acquire those properties for blighted area demolition improvements? We've we closed at the end of this month on the pink House that you might be familiar with. We're working on the greenhouse that's also there just on our campus as well. We just we're looking to, for safety and security reasons, we're looking to push our buffer out just a little bit further for our students every day. We have we have people through our campus, through our neighborhood. You're all aware of that because I know that's high on your on your list of things you're looking at. Craig. In addition, as John had mentioned, we are looking at purchasing from the diocese, Marion Hall, which we currently currently rent. We're seeing that as a retention and a recruiting for our teachers in order to bring those salaries into and those people into Bishop Heelan Catholic schools. You'll also notice we're doing some work near Memorial Field. We've cleaned up the trees there. We're working on a grading project, and we broke up in, in, in homeless encampment there as well. We're trying to be a good neighbor. We recognize that every Saturday we host the Sioux City Youth Symphony Orchestra. At our facility. We bring in solo ensemble, we host a show choir, we host lots of events regarding athletics and academics. And so we end up being that front face to Sioux City, because our school is the closest proximity to downtown. Listen, I'm I got kids in the

school. It's not that I'm Auntie Helen. No, my wife's memorial fund went to you, but I just. It's it to me that we put that street in because we wanted a street that went from the east side to the west side. I just don't get why this is such a mystery all of a sudden. But hey, John, obviously, you know, this is very impactful for for everybody. You talked about the CYO. You know what happens. I mean, you guys are growing. What happens if you grow, you outgrow that. And then what happens? Especially we you're trying to get me on record to say what we're going to do next. We don't know what we're going to do next, but we are looking at several expansion projects. We're looking at renovations at Memorial Field. We're looking at some renovations additions, possibly to the current high school. As Rick said, you know, we we're pushing $40 million investment in downtown Sioux City. When you factor what we've done at the CYO and everything we've done in our area there. So we will be doing some expanding in the next few years. We're just, you know, we got to raise some money and see what that looks like. But I think I already see Sneaky's chicken, you know, park or Sneaky's chicken. I didn't see sneaky chicken closer. There you go. I know a couple of years ago there was some dialog about a developer that was looking at apartment complexes in the area. Is there any more, is there an opportunity for Marty and Rene to continue to work with developers for sites in that, in that in the vicinity? So right now, if you look at your at the Sioux City long term comp plan. The break line is technically 14th Street. And so would you in order, like we've mentioned, we are landlocked. Ideally, we would preserve our campus all the way over to Douglas Street and all the way up through 13th Street.

That allows that institutional block of our Bishop Heelan, the cathedral, and the diocese. I understand it can get kind of murky there, but we have a synergy. We are, you know, independent entities, but we have a synergy by maintaining that institutional block. I would say that it's no different than, you know, your your North high school, north middle school, or even like a hospital campus that has multiple buildings. That's what we're looking at is to try to potentially expand to that east, where the Douglas Street is a boundary, 13th Street is the boundary. And then as we push down towards the cathedral, well, we also had a synergy for development in that area for 80% housing, 80% of market rate. And that was not looked upon favorably because someone who was speaking on Helen's behalf, whether you asked them to or not, reached out to our developer and spoke against it. And he wanted to be a good neighbor of Sioux City. And so he stepped away because he didn't want the conflict. And that was a $45 million apartment complex. But in fairness, respectfully and fairness, that that guy never stood on the property. He never understood the proximity to the high school. I talked to him. He never stood on the property. He never he saw multiple sites. And as soon as he understood it was within that close to a high school, he backed away. So again, I agree with you that probably the way it was presented by that individual should not have happened, but I don't think it would have been a viable site just because Helen would have then made their intentions known right away to where they were at. So, well, their their housing teachers now. So I think that they needed those apartments for your own employees, for perhaps a student that didn't go away to college, perhaps a student's family, perhaps somebody who cooks at your school or teachers offer a rent at market rate. It wasn't market rate, it was 80% market rate. Jessica. Three years

later, it had been a 40 year HUD project. That's what he does know. Three years later, he would have converted it to a HUD project. Is that what he did with the that's what that's that's what those projects do. That's what that's what those projects are designed to do downtown. 80% of them. Three years later, they turn into a 40 year refi HUD. I disagree, that's okay. I think that the diocese, and I think that the Heelan school system need to be commended for what you've done in that area. I understand what you're saying, Jessica, as far as whether there were agreements or understandings 15 years ago, things do change. And I think we want to respect and understand where the scope of your development is. I know we can continue to work with John and others on your board and and try and make progress in the area and beautify the area. I know there's there's growth and expansion to the east that's currently under discussion as well. So regardless of how this vote goes, I look forward to further discussions. Yeah. And I would I would say that Helen is now approaching 100 lots in the area and over 80 houses that they have demolished in that area. So to your point, you know, I, I wonder what the neighborhood would look like if Bishop Heelan, my predecessor, Father Patrick Walsh, if Father Walsh would have said he was going to pick up and move to Whispering Creek or pick up and move to the north side or pick up and move somewhere else, I wonder what the downtown area would look like if Bishop Heelan and Father Patrick Walsh hadn't said, we're going to stay right here in downtown because we have clean the

neighborhood up a lot and we want to continue to be good partners. Thanks. Anyone else. Passes 3 to 2. I would hope that the three that voted for this would demand some kind of reasonable expectation of what this property will look like, that Heelan will agree to, because we've had it in the past. You can tell me we didn't. We had it in the past. It didn't happen. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask what their campus plans should. I think that's the expectation moving forward. I know what the next question is going to be. Lots to the north, Mr. Scott, and I think that that was a marine on your saddle there, too, and you got both you guys. But I think what they're going to have to present next time is their actual physical plans for expansion. This just kind of freeze the way and to be honest with you, it's a safety thing. So but I think it's fairly it's very reasonable what you're asking there. I go to that site many times. I never feel unsafe. Well, my daughter, three times they come, they knock on the doors, they knock, they come, they beg on the doors. And what's it going to take? It's going to take some little girl to get boogered in a parking lot, and then it's going to be, why weren't we allowed to put the fence up? That's what it's going to come down to. So good vote today. That was a winner. And mayor, to your point, that's exactly why I made the last comment to John and Jessica and to the rest of the of the team that's here is that I look forward to working with you. Obviously, there's some concerns of not opening up the street, but, you know, in visiting with our engineering department and as I evaluated the positives and the negatives on both sides, I simply found that the safety concern and the impact to your campus and the

growth of your campus was more important than maybe developing a full West to East connection because of other issues that I think impact that flow. So I look forward to working with you and continuing to development. And I think if there are opportunities with private developers, I hope you'll be open minded with that in that regard as well. Thank. Citizen concerns. Are there any citizens who want to be heard? Please come to the microphone. Stacy Orndorff Recces for this purpose, I know you're going to talk about fog or have a fog presentation here in a minute, but I didn't know if I'd have the opportunity to speak, so I just wanted to let you know about the experience that I had last week and the week before, and a little bit concerned about how it was handled, how we were approached. I think it's very disruptive. We had a surprise inspection, never had met with them before, had never been reached out to, no kind of contact through email or phone or anything. I just happened to be there, which is not usual. I don't have set hours. And so we're very caught off guard and approached about compliance and violation, and all these words were being thrown at me in the middle. You know, as a small business, we're dealing with customers and employees and those kinds of things. So having that kind of disruption out of nowhere is a little bit stressful. Was there a particular reason for the inspections? Did something occur or was this a general inspection, a random inspection? What time of day was it? Oh gosh, I don't remember. I want to say ten maybe in the morning. Yeah. And so I let them know where the grease trap was the best I knew the building that we rent from, they're actually responsible for it. You know, they put it in and all of that. We weren't even around when

that all happened. When we signed the lease, we were told everything was in compliance and all of that. And so we were, you know, our hands were slapped and we were told we were doing all these things wrong. We were given paperwork. I couldn't stick around. So I know they told our employees some things. They were not sure. They were confused about some things. And then we received a follow up email and we were given two days to pump out our grease trap, which, wow, that's, that's a quick turnaround in a small business to have somebody come in that fast. But thankfully, we were able to make that happen. And our neighbor Crum also had the same situation. So we were able to pool our resources and do that at the same time. So we got that done. And then a week later they came back. I happen to be there again and not a great not a great interaction at that time either. And the building owner, one of the building owners, Amy, was there at the time too. And so she was able to witness the conversation and, and our kind of what we want away from the conversation is who does she have something against? One of us is doing something that we felt a little bit attacked or just, you know, I don't know, it just seemed like we were we were being targeted. She assured us we weren't. And I did bring up to I think it's Clayton that was was with her. You know, the surprise, the initial surprise inspection. I just don't understand why that wouldn't be an appointment, why there wouldn't be some kind of notification so that we could set aside time. If the purpose is education and for us to understand. And I think that's where I'm I'm concerned, I, I wish it was an education led experience and not a compliance led experience, especially for

small businesses who have never dealt with this kind of thing are contribution to the grease trap is very minimal. Sarah would disagree, but I think compared to apartments and franchises and hospitals and schools are small, little coffee shop, it's probably the biggest concern. And so I guess my proposal to Sarah and Clayton is to make an initial appointment for the first inspection. They said that they tried that in the beginning and they had owners not show up, people not there. They get there and employees wouldn't know anything about it. To me, it's the owner's prerogative if they want to show up to the meeting, but at least they have the option. I would like to have the option to know ahead of time. And then they also said that, well, if we do that also, then the owners all of a sudden pump their grease traps out. And so it's done, which my response is, isn't that a good thing? Isn't that what you want is compliance, that you want the grease trap cleaned out? So why is that a bad thing? If you call and let them know, then. So to me, that said, this is more of a wanting to catch people doing something wrong versus educate what the system should be. Thank you. Thanks, Stacey. Anyone else under citizen concerns? Hello? Lehigh. Tonga. Lehigh. Kyle. Stewart. I know that some of you guys wanted to have some questions for Kyle, so he took some time to travel from Montana today with his wife and want to just give an update on where we're at with the project. So first of all, I'd like to express appreciation for the quick turnaround, getting the red

line drawings back to us so we can get started on that. It was nice to get those quickly and we went ahead and got the engineering updates made. And Lehigh recently emailed those in, and the architectural portion of the updates will be completed this week. Our engineer has committed to and we will be providing those. And as we look forward to hopefully being able to proceed with this project, we also want to point out that we're aware of the of the need to keep the building secure and to make sure that there's no issues in the meantime. And we've implemented daily security checks, you know, physically checking every board, physically checking the locks on site maintenance. And we are taking every measure to ensure there's no problems in the meantime. And we are open to any concerns or any recommendations on what you'd like us to be doing in the meantime to ensure that the the situation does not bring up any concerns as we work this out. So we can't see behind you. But is Daryl behind you? Daryl oh, there he is. Daryl would appreciate your comments as well. While the gentlemen are speaking. Just having some clarity on what you're getting, what you're reviewing, what their expectations are. And as I told Lehigh, and thank you for being here tonight, we appreciate. But as I've shared with Lehigh throughout the process, as long as the property is safe and he's working with you and you're comfortable with the progress that's being made, then that to me, that's the status updates that we need. Did we accept the plans? No, I don't think so. We still haven't. Sunday, the evening, there was another set sent in. Very vague. Still, there was no specific details on things. Several issues were brought to light. Items like mechanical will be brought to code. How condensing units set in an area that wouldn't have

enough air flow if an engineer designed it. I'd really like to know what the calculations they use because they were in right away. There was no breathing room, so to speak, between them. Second bedrooms don't even meet the requirements for width. I mean, the list goes on. How much time do we spend staff wise reviewing incomplete sets? They came in without engineer stamps. So if the engineer is designing them, why didn't he stamp what he approved? I thought that was an issue two weeks ago, and I thought represented that the engineer stamps would be provided immediately. That wasn't provided. No, it was provided. Not on a complete set. I think we're having a little bit of a miscommunication here that the first set of drawings was provided, and it was just accidentally we provided a version without the stamps that was pointed out. We provided that with the stamps, and then there were some changes requested. We were provided a red line document identifying the changes needed, and we are working on providing that and the timeline that we presented when that was initially given to us was to provide the completed stamped revision. This week we provided a working version yesterday to show progress being made that was not intended as a complete version. I apologize if it was seen that way. It was intended to show progress on the engineering side, but the architectural side should be completed this week and then we will be submitting stamp drawings. And I'm not an engineer, so I can't speak to specific details, but my understanding was that the red line issues were addressed. If there's any deficiencies there, we are happy to address those and and get any corrections that are still needed on the engineering side. Can I ask a question? Sure. The drawings that were provided yesterday were the ones that had the deficiencies correct. Engineering. Okay. So I'm not aware of what deficiencies

these might be, but we can I ask you who the who your design professional is? Yeah. He's an architect who works. I mean, an engineer who works freelance. His name is Nema. Said, is this the gentleman that's going to be stamping these drawings? Yeah, he's so I guess I'm asking is in the been doing this for as many years as I've done this. I've never seen an engineer design something and not stamp his drawings. My understanding was that he did not stamp the drawings that we provided yesterday, because he was just showing us his work in progress, and he didn't want to stop them until the architectural. Those corrections are not even close. They're not accurate. You don't even have a mechanical room. You've got water lines going into a bedroom designed to go into a bedroom. I don't know what more I can say. I mean, these are the kind of situations that are on there and there's nothing specific. It doesn't say how you're going to do your ventilation system. It says we're just going to comply. How do we know what you're going to comply with? We don't have any specifics. The type of devices that are being used, none of that is included. There's no detail whatsoever. I don't know how you prove it. I'm sorry, did you say something? I'm just wondering how it's getting past the two of you with these details. Water lines going into bedrooms and condensers, not having enough space. I mean. Well, when the. In reference to the condensers not having enough space. We're not we're not Hvac professionals. So we do, of course, hope that the people that were using are doing those things properly. It's not our number one expertise. Right, right. Nor is it mine, but I'm going to hire somebody who I don't hope gets it right. I'm going to hire someone who does get it right. And that would be correct. Right. And our staff is spending hours and hours and

hours reviewing plans that your professional is submitting. And our professionals are saying this is not correct. It's almost like it's an AI design. It's going back and forth and back and forth that that is. So have you lost confidence? It's not typical. Have you lost confidence in your architect yet? I mean, how many times is it going to go back? How many times is it going to be a work in project? It's the first revision. No it's not. Is this not the first revision we got? We've received one red line. That was the one last week we received. You did receive one red line. That is an accurate red line. But there have been there was another mission that which first came up. And then a more detailed one came in that we actually red line. I'm just concerned about it. I'm just really concerned about this work and these designs not being close. I would love to get with you, Darryl. I mean, I'm more than happy to sit with you guys. So Kyle, you flew in and go through it, right? So first, thanks for looking at Sioux City to spend a bunch of money, right? I'd love you to come back and spend more and more and keep spending it here. And I don't want to discourage you one iota, but there's a lot of concerns around this property. Okay. You know, I think you see the sensitivity. I'm sure you've been watching it online. A lot of sensitivity around the area. There's just the problem here is a little bit of the validity issue. Is that where you run into and this the council's before us wouldn't take action. We're starting to take action. This council wants to take action. It's a blighted area. So my question to you is as you're as you're spending money on these engineering plans and everything, the the budget that was shared with us was about 900 000, which ends up being about 52 bucks a square foot, you know, and I'm trying to figure out I'm being positive here, but my fear is, is that we've got an out-of-state developer who out of state developers have really kind of roughed this city up in the past. And we've got a local guy

who is completely bought in and has given us guts, is we get a year into this thing and we realize this is a probably a $3 million project. Or do you can you provide us like, I mean, do you have any of the projects that you have experience with that those type? I mean, I'm not I'm not challenging your, your, your validity. I'm just I'm asking, is it can you can you put this council at ease on letters of credit, your banking institution? Everything seems to have a little bit of a fog on it when it's presented to us. So give us some clarity, give us some confidence. Well, like you say, this is a difficult project. There are a lot of uphill challenges. And so it is financed through a private lender rather than a conventional loan at a bank. And so I think any concern with the letter is just that a private lender just generally is not going to write the same letter. That looks exactly the same as a conventional mortgage letter would look like from a bank. But we're happy to provide any updated documentation, any specific documentation desired for for the lending. The lending is fully secured. And can you can you go back to the letter of credit, though, because I respect what you're saying in terms of this may not be a conventional bank borrowing transaction, but any lender can indicate a letter of credit. A letter of credit is not an indication of borrowed funds. A letter of credit is to indicate that you've got the funds to support funds that will be borrowed, correct? Correct. So, and in the letter that Deryl showed me, this has got to be two months ago was a letter. It was not a letter of credit. There was no authority. There was no resolution. There was no indication that that the funds were available to support either a transaction or a commitment to the city of Sioux City. So I'm still struggling a

little bit with understanding where your financial support is. It's with this this lender. This lender has agreed to fund the project completely based on the equity and the rest of the buildings and that letter that they provided. I, I agree that looking at it in isolation, it can look a little bit vague without being in the context of the loan agreement. And I can request for them to provide a more clear, a more clearly stated letter to, to show that those funds are specifically for this property. They actually did already provide a revision that we have tonight that specifies the funds are for this building. I the original letter was worded in a way that you could read it and think, oh, this might look like it was for me, potential a number of transaction or a number of properties. And that was just unintentional language in the letter. And they did provide a version of the letter that corrected that language, but they would provide. I can ask for a more formal letter if one is desired to, you know, to completely specify that the funds have already been approved and decided to. So how did you come up with the $900,000 budget? And again, I'm not trying to get somebody tried to get in my business, I'd be telling me to pound sand right now. But the problem is this is the area of this project, and it's been there for so long, and it's that we have to ask these questions, you know what I mean? So how did you come up with the $900,000 budget? I mean, I mean, I kind of ask for kind of a performer a little bit. I mean, what are you I mean, I'm just I'm concerned that that just isn't going to get it done. So I calculated the, the, the budget. We go through an extensive estimating platform. We so my line of work, we work in the restoration business. When dealing with insurance carriers, we get down to every single line item specifically. So when we write our estimates,

even in this case, we treat it the same way. So we. We did provide the city with an estimate. It outlines all of the line items necessary for the project. When it comes to all of the items, we went directly to the contractor and had them provide theirs and then included that into the estimate as well. And then we removed all of the costs that would be associated with a contractor to do the work directly. Right. So it would be basically, this is the cost that it would take to actually get the project done without paying someone an oversight fee as a general contractor. I'll also add there is the $100,000 bond that we could replace. With the $10,000 fee. We could have a private company fund that when the project is further along. And so that's an additional 100,000 in funding that is available, or 90,000 in funding that's available for this project. Kylend a Leah, thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you forom cing out. You know, I, I have supported youuy gs in this project. And I think theig b, big issue in question, youno kw, and Rick maybe kind of alluded to it, you know, ifou y get the plans, you know, I mean,ou y know, what can we do to make sure that we gethe t plan submitted so that they're submitted and then you g canet to work? I mean, and we're looking, you know, I don't know how long do you think the projectld wou take? You know, let's say plans are, you know, approved Friday. You know, what timeline are we looking ato 6 t9 months to have the entire thingpl cometed? I've already reached out to the subcontractors that would be able to start on the project right away and letm theknow kind of where we're at with,

with in regard to the city. And I just said, hey,e we, whave the financing ready, ready and available. l So aittle bit with that is that a we'velready started with the financing. So they'vedy alrea provided us with funds. That'swe what use for the demo in the beginning of the project.ha And wt we use for the the plan.he So ty've already started funding it. You meaning the draw that they're talkingn about i the letter you've already drawn off of the 900re K, corct? Correct. Is there a loan agreement in place? Yes. And you've mortgaged theop prerty to. F Barkerinancial. Yes. Yes.ol They hd the first position lien on the property and that's and that's the lien supporting the financing. And I don't I don't know if if you guys f are superamiliar, maybe you are. So I apologize if I'm s justaying this, but that property is actually one parcelso that t includinghe for properties to the to the behindand to the west. Correcto at apartment in the front, it'sic it's technally all of those are S one parcel.o,ch so tenically they all got to be upor to code befe any. It's all or nothing. y You can't,ou can't limp in the.x The 14 ple is the uninhabited Red buildingn And th the other four buildings are have rental permits now.ht Right, rig. And and are operated right now as rental properties.go So just ing back to the plans, youknow, what's the whae plan to get those? I'd be morethan happy to go. Ii tomorrowf if if I mean, I know you guys are busy,t so I gethat. I'll come whenever you guys have time. Bean more th happy to sit down, go

through all of those things.t e can'design it for you totally understand that. So a licensed engineer should be able to. This is. A lot of times they'llg have a desn professional, like an architect that does all the gruntet work, all the dail work. So, you know, you're, you know,s the cost. Here' the I'm, I'm not looking to, to say that this personyo is not giving u the product you're paying for. I'm just saying that how does your contractors even give you a solidth estimate when ey don't even know the equipment that's going in it? There's no equipment that's been submittedfor approval, anr anything. t This might be ahey might be, you know, thinking they're8, going to put an $000 unit in and it's 16,000.on I me, I d't know these numbers. We don't know these numbersnt at this poi. There's been zero plan to show you where youroo mechanical rm is going to be. Your mechanical room has got to be somewhereIt's not on the plans. So you're going to lose at least part of a department, if not a complete department, justs. for your mechanical So I this ist helps. I don't wan your to up over you head and backwards in this thing before you get done. No details. I can't give you a permit. Somebodyis needs to design th that knows what they're doing. They can't just putin down, we'e gog to design it to code or you're going tode put it into co. Somebody in New York City designing something for Iowa. Sorry, he does have a license in the state of Iowa,w but does he kno how to design it? Does he know what the codes actuallystate? I dono the evidence that f I've gotten soar on the plans that we've gotten shows us there's a lot of inconsistencies, and I'm not sure you're getting theay produt you're ping for. Do we know if we have original plansor for that? I'm sry, what now? Do we haveha original plans for tt for that property from what, 1920?'s Nothing. That's today code. So so so that's probably part? of the problem, right We don't have anythinge' original. So now wre creating from practically new.nt Right. Well,I wa some understanding. I meann, yes and no. I mea the only

thing that the original set of plans is going to do is give you the shell portion of it,e you know, and we'r not talking about the shell itself here. We're talking, you know, Lee has expressed, you know, there's a roof situationix thats got to get fed. We're not talking about that, not inow ths design right n. We're designing the interior of it for peopleGo to dwell in. Okay. tcha. So there's there's things and I don't know, and I, you know, I haven't gone out and thrown abu tape measure on , t just things like your path of egress out the front is, has got to be, has got to be w 36in. It's just theay it is. It's been that way for a long, long time. And I think it's like at 33 shown'v on the plans now theye been there forever. Those stairs I don'tly know did anybody real measure that. Do we even know the accuracy't of ? Because I don want to put on the plans. You got to tear your front stairs out and start over again whenIt that may not be tr. 's all those little details that we lack to be able to give a good presentation. I mean, ift it was as simple as ju saying, yep, I'm going to do it to code no matter what, you know, you get in therean and the guys get going d say, whoa, stop, wait a minute,go tear it all out. We're ing to start over again because it'ssu not right. And so the ise that we have, and I sympathizear with, with, with what Dyl is saying, you know, the issue iss that obviously ten year ago we didn't get those things. And ten, years or ten years agoten years when this first hit, right?ha No, we had nothing. We d nothing on this until last August, b I believe t was when werought it back to council, we I had nothing at tht point.t's been tagged for ten years, right?'s Yes. And and I guess that my point. And where my frustrations p come is because now we'reunishing someone who wants to do something. And it's, it's almost like it's, you know, and I get it.ul I mean, go ahead. Respectfly, I don't consider code a punishment. Ife think its a matter of saty and health for the community. Well,es and I think with all due rpect, I don'tt' I don't get the sense that is punishmentve either, because I think we' been trying to work withat Lehigh, giving you lots of litude.

But what Daryl's not seeingal is the formality, the legul nature of what would of wod have otherwise been provided by other developers. And I think that's where his frustration lies, because they didn't do that, though. They I didn't do that before, though. mean, but even but when we'veni talked to Lehigh and I recogze and you told me f that you had when you askedor the bond,s this is the only one that' ever given a bond. o That's correct. Okay. We hadne in the first three yearsta that it was that it was red gged. Actually, I think it was thegg first year that it was red taed. We had an actual $10,000ti bond because council at that me only didn'tha understand the requirements of ving to do it as based onio the cost estimatin of demolitn. So then how do we get here?id If we have the bond, then why d.au Why didn't it proceed then? Becse counsel at that time directed me to hold off, because there were several people that had come forwardd looking to do repairs to it, anthen they never developed. Andit then I'd start again. And then counsel would stop me, andah thn I would develop again. Ye. It's been three different orders, quitet' frankly, it's been three. And thas candidly that's why I think we'rea trying to give you. Lee has done great job of representingy the property's interest. He reall has. He's been very credible,po very passionate about the oprtunity. What we'repa struggling with is not the ssion that you've shared,co but the formality that is ntinuing tos not be demonstrated. And if it'that your i engineers aren't doing te work,f they're not fully familiar with being licensed ing preliminary dwings and theynt should have been stamped and se to Darryl, we're it just it's t just one thing after another wherehe the informality is causing Darryl to say, Is just don't see credibility in thi project. We arewo trying to give you the latitude to rk thisg project out. I see value in updatin thek property where it's locate. I thin it would do a really nice job of improving that area.

I've gotor other ideas for a little bit further nth and east and west and south. That's why I thinke. we're trying to give you that latitud We're just not seeing thetr formality. And I think that's the suggle that Darryl's had thathi it's oe thing after the other. I tnk that it's I think that it's the biggest regard is W getting the plans done. Right? Right.hich is the d only unfortunate thing that we cannoto once the project starts. And once the project starts and we have full autonomy to get it done, that'se where that's where if something re going wrong, I would totallyre understand. So I'm not saying that we' notly responsible because we we absolute are responsible. Right? It's just it does take a little bit of time. i It's not s easy as a developer comingn and building something new. If we are coming in and buildingso, it is ways easier. You get to create the plans. It' 100% what you put in there, and then you just plug and play and go and do it. When we'reti renovating, we have to take the exisng. We have to try to make sure that it follows the updated code. If it doesn't,ha then the engineer has to figure out wt's the least path of resistance here to not do a crazy amount of work thatit woud cause. Right? Like you would, wouldn't make sense. Like if you have to move the entire structure six inches, it doesn't make sense, but it's not as easy as just developing something. You're right. But your expert should bee the expert in retrofitting all of thes things. Ween understand that you're not I'm not an gineer, but I have competent

staff. We all do that manages that process. So you, the person you have reliedey on is you. They are representing you. Th're your voice. They're your expert. I would hope so. You've got to get with themt completely respectful. But I would hope tha you've w never made a mistake in your life, becausehat you're saying is, is that we're responsible 100% and that if someone else makes a mistake that we can't control, that we are 100% responsible for that. But those words just come out of my mouth. But I don't think that's what because. Let me just finish this. N no, I think what Julie said is exactly correct. And that is we don't expect the two of you to be experts in designing and providing stamped engineerr, plans. That's why you're going to the enginee right? You're looking toin an expert. No different than if you were gog to a medicalit doctor or an attorney, an engineer, an archect. You are your developers. You're looking for somebody to be able to provide what is required under code to oure' planning team. And that's the frustration that wve got, is that every time we ask ath question, there's still something missing, wheer it's the financial aspects, which I looked at that letter that still doesn't look adequate to me, understanding that the plans t that you're trying to gt from your engineer, thathey don't. seem to be adequately detailed, they're not stamped That'srs where Darryl's frustration is lying. We undetand that there's a $100,000 bond to support these demolition. We hope to not have to trigger the u of that bond. We want to try and save this property, but it's justul one thing after another. And that's why I think Jie's comment, it's not to expect the two of you to do everything 100% accurate. It's not to expect the two of you to notee make a

mistake, but it is to expect your enginr to do everything 100% correctly and understand everything 100% correctly. And I think it goes back a little bit to when you s had mentioned to before about the architects beingo expensive and so k costly. And I think you're seeing the product, younow, the productfi difference here in finding somebody that actually t the needs that youte were expecting versus a design professional archictte that was going to charge you. I'm going to say qui a bit morel extensively, more. They're going to have that detai in there that we're looking for. I'd like to add just three really quick points. One, the cost was ame factor in selecting the architect, but also the tiline. Wed called every single architect that we could find looke up in Iowa, Nebraska, and South Dakota, and many of them at the beginning of this year when we were going back after having trouble with earlier architectsal and engineers. We're talking about finishing in the fl. Soer it's it's just a it's an industry where there's a vy long timeline. And so we were, we were we wanted to be quick and prompt after we were given the grace to proceed and, and that that was also one of the constraints. And we do appreciate that, as you mentioned, that you've workedwih appreciate that. We don't want to comacross aso saying that we don't appreciate that. We don't want tcome across asit saying that we don't understand that it is our responsibily to provide adequate drawings for this property. That's what we intend to do. We will do whatever we can to get those drawings submitted for. From our perspective, we looked at someone who had a license in the state of Iowa and we said, okay, they're licensed. They should be okay for this. That's what the license is for. When I go touc a doctor, they have medical license. I don't really look mh past that. We also checked references and he had good references. To be honest, I am frustrated too with the situation and I don't understand why there is such a great disconnect between expectations and what has been delivered. And iter is, and we

are willing to do everything that is in our powng to do, to research what is happening here and what is causiee this disconnect, and involving whatever professionals we nd to involve in order to resolve that disconnect. Do you think it's possible to get your architect on site? I will ask. I mean, that might go a long way. Yeah. But anyways, we're going to let you follow the advice of Darryl. We're going to move along. We've been on this topic for over 30 minutes. We have a couple of other presentations coming. So we appreciate you showing up. Darryl, I'll defer to you what next steps are for them. Go back to your design professional. Tell them they need detailed drawings and specs on what they're actually doing. You know, I mean, if council wants staff to do a complete, you know, review o of what was submitted Sunday night instead of just a cursoryne, I mean, we can we're talking several more staff hours doing that. Obviously, though, they need to resubmit. So yeah, let's get they need details. Yeah, let's get those details in a possibility. But is does the city do something where we pay like we pay that no portion. Just curious, you know, pay what portion? Lehigh saying that it would be an additional cost or no we don't do design. Good question. No no I don't think you're saying design, butl I'm just saying you're saying if there's going to be addition cost to the city. Yeah. You're wondering if you can be responsible for that. That's that's nice of you to say that. I don't think we have a system set into place that we can't approve what we design. Thank you. Right, right. Definitely. So I'm wondering if part of the disconnect is and I I'm anticipating what your response is going to be, but would it help if you or someone on your team, Darryl did a walk through with Lehigh and actually was pointing to the

things that were of concern. Really nothing left in the building. But but as an example, you're talking about that the entry has to be 36in. And it's you're seeing it as 33 walking through and explaining those things. Would that be helpful if it wouldn't be helpful? I respect that, but if it would be helpful, it's just not his job. But you said an architect is architect. An architect, all that. And again, it may be it may just be a disconnect from not being on site, the design professional, making those calculations, designs. It might be just fine. I, I have not gone up there to put a tape measure on it, but I'm not the contractor. I'm not the architect. I'm not the engineer on the project. Correct. It's not because he came in town. Last question. I just I keep going back to the money thing. I just can't get because I live in the real world too. And I just don't understand how you're gonna get this done for 900 grand. Well, the, the major one of the major contributing factors is that, you know, I'm partnered with Lehigh who as part of our partnership is, is absorbing, you know, the part of the cost that would usually go the labor part of it all the labor, well, the, the man, the general contractor labor. So like the labor in arranging with contractors, applying the relationships she already has to get to get competitive bids and all such things. And, you know, we're still talking about $52 a foot, which is, you know, that's a substantial amount of money to put into a project. Oh. I mean, I'm trying to figure out how you're going to get that done. I mean, on a remodel, normally it's even more it's, you know, new construction. If you could squeeze, I mean, I mean, 90 bucks right now, you know, on anything, I think I'd laugh. I mean, new construction. That's even easier on a remodel. I just can't imagine. I mean, just the infrastructure on the utilities and stuff. I just that's going to be a huge bite. And again, I'm all about you spending money in this town, man, I really am. You bring in you bring in a clean set of stamped engineered plans. I'm the first guy to say, Henry. It's stamped. Review it. Get it

out the door. But the problem we keep getting, and I. And trust me, these Ike is going to bat for you. And I think the only reason you're still standing here is because Ike is really, really doing the work. He is. Because. Because I mean, we're in demo mode right now. So. But the thing there is just is you're not providing a set of plans that we can just sit there and go get it out the door. And so that's my advice is get the plans and, you know, we'll see you in a week. I guess, I don't know. We need those plans, guys. We need them. Okay. Thank you. Tried to get him on site. Yeah. So he has an understanding of the scope of this thing. Be a good demo site and start new. Please don't be a good spot. Thank you. All right. Any more concerns? Yes, sir. Come on up, sir. My name is Melvin Carter. I'm sorry, could you say that again? Melton Carter. I'm trying to find out what's going on with Donald Hall Park. I haven't heard nothing yet. Well, I will tell you, there is a stay right now. We're taking a step back. Our Parks and rec department is. I've been in communication with them. I'm considering having a little neighborhood meeting there to see who shows up and what. You guys thoughts are who's planning on using it? ET cetera. So I emailed our Parks and rec director. He said he's open to doing that. But for now, we've taken a step back to reevaluate. We're sending another letter out to the neighborhood to connect with people again, to say, hey, what do you think about this? Are you using it? Would you rather it be gone, or would you rather you open to having a home put here so nothing's happening to

it right now? I can assure you that. Okay, okay. Okay. All right. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. All right. Presentations. Oh, we got it. Okay. Presentations. Fog program. Fog, fats, oils and grease. Good evening. Assistant Public Works director Vicki Baker. Cameron Bell, pretreatment manager. I, I will start with the history of the program because I originally developed the code, but Cameron oversees day to day operations and knows all of the updated things we do from day to day. All right, well, just a quick agenda. We'll tell you what fog is, the concerns history and then program overview. What is fog. So fog does stand for fats oils and greases. But we are also worried about the solids coming out of the kitchens from the kitchen prep. So these units not only capture solids and grease just everything coming from the kitchen. They're attached to the kitchen. So they're capturing all things that are coming out of the kitchen. So not just fats, oils, and grease logs. It was the best name we could come up with. I don't know what we've tried. Just add the S fats, oils, grease and stuff. That's but that's something we hear a lot is I don't I don't have fryers, I don't have grease, but it's, it's all kitchen waste. Yeah. And there's a lot of milk solids and things like that. Dairy, other food things, products are loaded. They're the worst in. Because I know that from Mars. Yep. This is a manhole that's supposed to have a trough. These pictures are from our collection. This is

what they're supposed to look like. This is totally greased over. So this is a negative effect. All right. So why is fog a program causes sewer backups. And then once the sewer backs up, the sewer has nowhere else to go but out. So it goes out into the street, which gets us to the storm drain or basement backups or any other environmental concerns you can think of can interfere with our pumping and equipment throughout the collection system and our lift stations, which also increase maintenance costs with our UFO department and wastewater department. And then, of course, odors and corrosion. As you can imagine, the environmental health risks. Same thing I just mentioned. It goes on streets, sidewalks, basements, storm drains, rivers. Left untreated, it can harm aquatic life. Citizen's health concerns damage to personal property, and violates all of the Clean Water Act regulations. So history of the program. We had a couple of repeated EPA audits back prior to 2015, where we had a whole bunch of ssos, which so as a sanitary sewer overflow, that's basically something happened in our in our sewer collection system that caused the sewer to get out of it. A lot of them were due to grease. And so the EPA had verbally told us, you know, next time we come back, you guys need to have taken care of this. Otherwise it's most likely going to be an enforcement, possibly a consent order. So we took it on, on our own part to create the program due to that mandate, myself and the previous pretreatment manager researched for about a year. We looked at programs across the country, looked up regulations, and we developed the code based on what we felt, in our professional opinion, was the best thing to do at the

time. We went very strict with our original code. We did pump outs, we did fog concentration, we did 25% rule. We did a whole bunch of regulations thinking once we get everybody in the program educated, then we can dial it back. What is the 25% rule? So we have like a think like a clear tube that we can put in and like take a core sample and it shows us the different layers that are in there. So the layer on top is your fats, oils and greases. And then the middle layer, which is like a gray water is what goes to the sewer. And then everything in the bottom is the solids. So those two layers together can't be more than 25% of that total, because once you hit 25%, then those, as those layers get closer, more of that, more of that is going out, not doing its job. Correct. So when you said that you to get everybody on board, who would be everybody who's who's required. So all at the time we just went with food service establishments. But in the code, it's everybody that produces food that can be consumed by the public. So and also maintenance garages with oil, water separators. So at the time we just hit the hit the food service establishments, and then we went churches, schools, daycares. The only thing we don't have jurisdiction to is the domestic population. The only thing we can do with them is fliers, education, social media, things like that. And then food trucks. We do have all the food trucks registered and sister cities. So sister cities, due to their 2080 agreements, have to either mimic or be more strict to our code. So prior to them having a fog code, we were also in the sister cities doing all of the inspections. And if there was any enforcement or anything, we

would just work with them and notify them and things like that. We do not, at the time of the Code Development Council, Council knew that some. So I'm getting ahead of myself. But everybody at that time, April 1st of 2015, was grandfathered in. Whether they had a grease trap, whether they were up to code anything, they were grandfathered in. If something happened, whether they caused an. So whether they added to their menu like not just a sandwich or something, but like another, if they only serve breakfast and now they serve breakfast and lunch like an expansion of their menu. Or if they did like a big remodel of their kitchen where they expanded their waste, then they had to come up to code. So 10% since 2015, these units are not designed to last forever, especially even if they're maintained well. But they they will eventually have a life. But 10% of those F e, c, f s are still in that grandfathered clause since 2015, which is is pretty remarkable. But what's the average replacement cost? What's what's the average replacement cost? It depends on the size. Some of them, if they're smaller, I think they're like a thousand bucks for the unit for the under the under the sink. Oh, those are honestly those can even be 4 or 500 bucks. Right. But if you're talking like to, to, to be sized to where you're going out, you might have to tear up the floor. I mean, I've seen quotes of 75,000 $100,000 big place. Yeah. If it's a if it's like they're already established. That's why we try to we are on the DRC, we try to catch everybody that comes in and make sure we do have a sizing proposal, which we have. Changed recently due to the public's desire for us to do

that. So we try to catch everybody coming in and try to get them sized. So that way it's not after the fact, because that's what that's a big battle that we were facing for a while. But. So so that's me. Kick it over to Cameron. I can jump in to how the program works. But I'll first say I have seen quotes from ranging from 200 000 all the way down to 25000 for the same project property, same project, same install. So. You know what the cost is. It's hard to say. We've seen varied quotes across the board. So how the program works. One of the main things we try to focus on is education. We, you know, we obviously, we do do on site trainings and things like that. But working with the city manager's office and like doing social media posts, we've had a few of those go out and they've worked really well. And then in terms of like grease trap maintenance, interceptor maintenance, we'll do on site checks. And, you know, the restaurants are there. They should be keeping logs and things like that to kind of prove compliance over time. So we've got a new software, which I'll talk a little bit more about later, but there's this option now where they can record this stuff online in a database. And that's helpful. It helps prove continued compliance. Inspections. The frequencies in code is at least once every three years. We kind of go in. That's why we usually ask for three years worth of records, because we may not have been there for three years. We went there three years ago and it was good. We don't come back unless there's a problem.

So then there's follow up inspections. Sometimes if there was something that that needed to be addressed, we would come back and kind of do a follow up. So the basic requirements I've sort of talked about them, but install, maintain, operate a properly sized grease interceptor. Obviously there's a grandfather status on the clause or grandfather status on the original installs. They didn't have to be changed right away, but they still have to operate maintain that unit. So keeping records I've talked about dry wiping dishes is huge. Scraping the food off, throwing it away. There's there's a lot of best management practices in code. I won't necessarily go through all of them today, but. A lot of these things really help prevent what ends up in the interceptor and trying to throw food away instead of letting it go down the drain. Some of the common problems we've already talked about through questions and things, but overdue pumping, you know, we show up in maybe the interceptor is not in compliance. A lot of staff training is an issue. There's kind of a younger crowd than a lot of restaurants, and they tend to turn over. And that becomes an issue for the management staff, the supervisors, those types of things to train and make sure their employees know how to, you know, wash dishes correctly. Sometimes we see lack of pumping records and startup owners are maybe not necessarily aware of the requirements, but like Vicki said, we've had good collaboration with getting on like DRC and other things like that to make sure we get ahead of the problem versus brand new building, need to install a new

interceptor after it's already built. So this is kind of a slide about the benefits of the program. This is not just on the city side. This is public. This is this is for the restaurant owners, not just on the city side. We'll you'll see following this program, you'll see fewer plumbing backups, reduced maintenance, fewer emergency maintenance calls and environmental protection and compliance. There's go ahead, finish your. I got a question for you. Yeah. Just, you know, I've I've heard people say there's plenty of bills and things like that on the restaurant side for emergency backups and things like that. And so a lot of the things that's in the code can help limit, you know, those sort of things on the restaurant owners. So a lot of times it is beneficial to for them aside from just compliance. So how do you decide like size of the interceptor? So do we have size and proposal and that they would be completed. There's several factors on there. I've got a slide or two that I can show you that you can sort of look at and see it, but does does like ours, you know, operations, does that matter to size of location matter? Or are you just saying that this is the interceptor that that a person needs? So it does take into consideration the hours we have a grease factor in there now that even considers what kind of operations the restaurant might be doing, say like a pizza joint, maybe isn't the same as a coffee shop, not the same as a concession stand or a steakhouse. It kind of yeah, it kind of takes into account the different grease factors that that have been published in other documents. And we utilize that to incorporate that into our

proposals with ours. With a number of meals per day, or there's several factors in there garbage disposals, dishwashers. And obviously, you know, as, as Stacy mentioned earlier, Brekkies had this, this inspection, but crumb, who is next door and, and he gave me permission to actually, you know, bring it up. But, you know, he said he's only open nine hours a week, right? He's only got three tables. Most people don't even come in. So, you know, what you're saying is that regardless of those hours or whatever, he's still got to have the same size as, say, McDonald's. But no, no, I'm just asking. No, it's we have like three different factors of the original. It's square footage hours or. What's the last number of sales number of customers. Yeah. And then later on in the sizing proposal is where you get your category. So when do you guys ask that though? When do you sizing proposal. Well, when do you ask like how you know your, your, your hour or not hours, but, but you would say revenue document, you have to fill out and submit back to us. That's on your honor. And we have a license. We ask that a licensed plumber fills it out. And then if we get any plans back, that they're stamped plans. So it's all on you to fill it out. Like Julie said, on Your Honor. And then we get all those numbers back. We just check the calculation and then if there's anything in there, we'll call that person back because there's contact on there and just work through it if there's anything missing. And then we get that final number and see, I guess the the issue that I would have was that, you know, the person who did our inspection actually said that we weren't in compliance based on the previous business. So, I mean, it never, you know, we never was asked that. But, you know, I apologize all we're going to follow up, but I don't know why that would have been

said because it go it once you once that business closes and you open, then we like nothing against the old business goes two different businesses though. Well, yeah I know that. But but we were treated as as if, you know, it was the same business. And what I will reiterate with staff, I apologize. I don't I guess what I think may have been happening was the grandfather status issue with the changed interceptor and just wanting to make sure the size was appropriate because they got changed. But. We can look into it. We'll definitely get back to you. I do have the sizing proposal up there. You know, if you wanted to look at it and it kind of shows the different factors dishwasher, garbage disposals, how many meals per day, all those sort of things are taken into consideration here. So, so like number one there, you don't have to fill out all three. You can just fill out one. So if you know your average meals, you can use that. If you know your seating capacity, you can use that. If you, if you know you're a, you're coming into town, you're not sure what you're going to do with this building, but you know, the square footage, you can use that. And then it just goes to the next thing storage factor, waste flow rate, and then your that big chart on the side there. That's where you would look to see the number that you plug in. That's how it's different. You can see how it says high, medium, low. That's how that's rating those. So like how much of your food going out is to go, I'm so sorry, you'll need to come to the mic, please. That's all part of your that's what you would put in your average meals per day. It has to be recorded, you know, if, if, how much of the food that you're selling is to go. If that percentage is taken into consideration and provide your name one more time. Stacy Orndorff Brekkies. Thank you. That would be part of that. Number one, that you would put

average meals per day. This was revised last year so that it wasn't a one size fits all for all restaurants, all sizes, all types of food. Before it was just average meals per day, right? Or no seating capacity? I'm sorry, seating capacity. Right. That's all it was before. And then we didn't have that chart before. Right. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. This was recommended. This was recommended by the citizens and the folks to, for us to look at it and review it. And that's what we come up with. So and there was a lot of meetings with a lot of stakeholders. We did look at location for the. But go ahead. So for compliance tracking. We recently began a partnership with Fogg BMP, and this is the online database I was telling you about. There's an online tracking of pumping records, haulers, and the restaurants submit records online, and we can see them as soon as they're put in. There's also efficient tracking of inspections. So, you know, instead of having paper records, we can have electronic records. We can send an email that same day. As soon as we get done with inspection, send them a report of everything that we found, good or bad. And they can see that. So it takes a lot of labor out on our end and kind of helps us with tracking. And also, you know, the FSC can see what was deficient in the restaurant. They can see what was deficient and submit a corrective plan, you know, within a few weeks or whatever the timeline might be. And to kind of show that they are compliant, that there are no issues going forward and they're taking care of things that were problems. So this is a, you know, takes a lot of strain off. It's been

beneficial. We're trying it's early stages. We're trying to get some buy in. But this is showing a lot of promise. So last question I have on the on the restaurant side of it is when you guys go in there on new construction or on a remodel, one of the biggest complaints that we that I think the community, not just your department in general, is the lack of finding solutions versus just telling us. I mean, I mean, since this new council has come aboard, I would hope that maybe as we're addressing, you know, we're we're solution based, you know, that. So if the feedback that we want to get is that, yeah, it sucks, but you guys are trying to find cheap solutions. That would be hopefully the new attitude. That's always been the. I know it always has been, but let's just let's just let's rekindle and refocus. This new program did do that. Rick, talk to Heather about good good about this that they found for her. Yeah. How excited are you over there? I don't have a problem with okay. Just want to make sure. Yeah. Vicky, do you want to respond to the scheduling of the. Oh, so originally we did. I, I was actually originally an inspector. We would we would spend a lot of time waiting for the person to show up, especially places that were open, not within our normal city business hours. We would schedule a time like at, at 10:00 or something. We set. We would sit for half an hour to an hour, then not. Then we'd try to call. We try to call and ask where they were and things like that. So it was just a lot of inefficient labor and then rescheduling, and then we've rescheduled and then we sit there again. So we've just went to not scheduling, but we do work. We've worked with the community long enough that we know a lot of the owners and managers that know, that want to know either they want to be

there or, hey, just keep me in the loop, or we've told them, you know, if we ask, is it okay if we inspect? Because sometimes, you know, it's during their lunch rush or something and we don't want to stop them from doing any of that. So we try to schedule it before and after that. But that's kind of why we went to unannounced. It was nothing to do with catching anybody or anything like that. It was simply staff time, was just a lot of staff time was wasted. So it seems from what I've known, it's worked well. So I would love to talk to you and get your feedback. I was just going to say, in my 12 years of owning Soho, the only time I had anything scheduled was when I very first opened my initial opening and I was grandfathered in. But otherwise you guys would just show up every other year or whatever it was back then. So yeah, like I said, we first started that way and it just didn't didn't work out so well. Be part of the solution. Yep, yep. Any other questions? Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Cameron. Building permits. Oh, no. Sorry. Big Sioux River levee expansion project. Guys, sorry. I was trying to get you out of here. Darrell. Sorry, sorry. Freaking me out there. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Evening, evening. We wanted to go over our big Sioux levee extension project. If you don't know about this project, we're going to. It's over on River drive

along the Big Sioux. We're going to extend this. The levee, about 1300, 1300, 1400, 1400 linear feet. Gordon, could you state your name for the record? Oh, yeah. Gordon Fair, city engineer. And I have with me Kevin Kruse with JEO. He's our consultant for this project. So we're going to just go through the whole thing. Hopefully this will answer a lot of the questions. I'm going to do the first part. Then Kevin will start. We're going to give you the project background, the status up to date and for alternatives. And then our next steps on this. Fair to say that we're not going to, in the materials that we reviewed to prepare for today, there were no financials. We're not going to see financials today. Again, is that correct? No, not well. I mean cost of each proposal. Yes. For the alternatives. You'll see some of those. But it's not there's no decision making at this point. If you see something we're we've already we're on track to do alternative A, so to speak. And if you guys decide no, we want to hear more. We want to vote on the others, then we'll bring it back at a later date. And then you can vote on those alternatives and we'll go from there. Thank you. Okay, so Big Sioux River levee was constructed in the mid 70s, just an earthen embankment. And on top of a lot of it, we have the trail. It's about 3 to 4ft tall. And our original design, like I said, we're going to do about 1400ft. And to do in preparation of that, we acquired three properties lot last year and this was after the 24 flood. They were damaged. All three of those properties

were damaged. We bought them out at a fair market value, relocated them, and then we demoed the buildings. So that's to put the levee there. That was in spring of 25. We acquired the properties and we received in the fall of 25 a $866,000 grant from the Levee Improvement Fund grant. So that's go towards construction, construction, acquisition of the properties already did that. Okay. Acquisition construction's right around about that price. 860 ish. At the current rate. So and it is a 8020, it is an 8020 grant. Okay. Okay. Right now we're in the design phase. We've got four alternatives. Like I discussed, we've already started our discussions with the Corps. We have to meet with the Corps for both our side and North South Dakota side, as they are doing the same thing with us, because they're doing levee improvements on their side as well. And we're doing the flood floodplain permit, and they're working on the hydraulic evaluation of the river currently. So phase alternative A basically is or actually all the alternatives at this point shows that levee being extended from the southeast of this map, southwest of this map, all the way up to the where that red

cloud is. It's all the same for all four alternatives. Okay. It's basically just a four foot embankment with an access road put on it and a little turn lane, a turn pocket up there so we can vehicles can turn around and go back down the on top of the embankment. So this is alternative A, we thought at the very beginning that would do this whole embankment without having to buy this last piece of property, the one that's shown here on the right. It's actually two properties, but we just it's the same owner. We'll just save one. We thought that the elevation would bottom out right about there, but we were incorrect at the beginning of this project. And it was soon evident right after we started looking at it. But we wanted to come up with these alternatives. And this first alternative is to bring the temporary embankment out into the street during flood events, kind of like we do now. But right now we do it for 1600ft. Is it close to it? Yeah, close to 1600ft. And that's bringing out those. We call them Hescos. That's a brand name. It's a four foot by four foot by four foot pallet, so to speak. That's interlocked with a bunch of them. And then the maintenance crews will then scoop up sand and dump it in. And that becomes one giant sandbag. So we had to use those for that flood in 24. And thankfully we did. So rather than doing sandbags, you've got those units that you place and then fill them with sand, right? That is correct. So we were hoping to get away from all of the temporary stuff, but we

will not be able to without purchasing this property. Thanks so. I miss anything. Oh yeah. There we go. The pros and cons on this. It's got a reduced temporary closure, so it's not as big as the last one. What it is currently, we don't have to take any additional property. It's the least cost. And we can still extend this in the future if we decide to. The next phase. Alternative B is similar to that, but this is doing one of those bulkheads in front of the house in front of the property, like a retaining wall, small retaining wall right on the edge of the property and putting bulkhead boards along the driveways or in front of the driveways during a flood event. You may have seen these elsewhere around. Do we have pictures? And I've got some pictures on the next one here too. Similar to this. They can be. The two on the right are actually from downtown Des Moines on a project we did that. That's kind of a very simple, basic gray concrete wall. The ones on the left give you some ideas of some other things that could be done with those a little more decorative. The one on the top left also gives you some perspective of what that looks like when the gates are in place and installed. Would that be in the right of way, or would that be on right on the property line behind the sidewalk? And that it does kind of get into one of the the cons of that is that in order to build that, in order for operation and maintenance, there would need to be some easement, even though the wall itself would be on the city side of the property line, it's going to be right there close.

So in order to maintain it long term, a permanent easement would be recommended. It's also maybe one of the cons I cut you off, but a big piece of, of that that I really want to highlight is that it's important to note that the wall is there not to protect that home, but actually to protect the neighborhood from the river. So it's a little bit of a juxtaposition. And normally the home is on the right side of the levee. In this situation, the home is actually on the the wrong side, kind of keeping the water in. Yes. So that's I don't want that to get glossed over. Is that the wall is, is protecting the neighborhood from the river, not theth oer way around? Well, the benefit to the property is a greater benefit to the broader scope of the neighborhood.o S impacting property owner and needing an easement from them has real value. Well, it's aet driment to the property because that's what I mean. That's what I'm saying is that'shy w acquiring the easement, there is value to them.ga Ain, we're we're not endorsing these. We're just want to make sure you show we're showing t youhe options right now. We're f theirst one with the sandbags. That's our alternative that we're going with at this point. Unless you decide you want us to choose, and then we'll bringt tha back at a later date. And those have worked well in p theast. Yes they have. Right. And we have staff d toeploy it. Yes we do. Much warning do you need in orderet to g everything out?La st time we did it in what,18 18 hours? That was it was Sunday morning. I gotd calle out. They hadn't. I thought it was even lessth than at. But Kelly would know. I think it was the nextng morni. That's when. Well, let's see, my day started at 2 a.m. that day, I think I calledut you abo six. Kelly. We had staff state your

name.uc Kelly Bkham, the park superintendent,ve I belie we had staff working by 730 or 8. And we're done at four, bothwith this levee and protecn of thede riversi collector. Well, we ringed thatr hole o tally that up. That tally that up. How many hours was it then? We were looking at about eight hours with full staff. Okay. g Veryood. That's two different locations too,ig right? Rht. This one would we went with one long line, a lot less. alternate A ends up being about a third of the length of what you currently do do right now, today. y So thankou. Yeah. Soat alterne C is another one. We just wanted to make sure that, thatl you were alaware that we did look at it. I willou point t it does have some really big physical challenges to it. So when you do see the cost, you'll seere there's a ptty big window or a range of what those are. t So ratherhan an alternate B where we were t takinghe flood wall or the line of protection in front of the homes or the home that's there, this would be sliding a e combinedarthen embankment and flood wall h behind thoseomes, like between the homes and the river. We w really justanted to see as it could something feasible, fit, feasibly fit. What impacts would there be? Theks real drawbac of this one, as you see on your screen up there, is that the top of the levee, whetherth it's an earen embankment or flood wall, it does impact several outbuildings on thatTh property. e big, bigger red rectangularct area is aually swimming pool. And however you cut it with,whether you use a n earthen embankment, you get extremely close to thatI pool. And think you would start to run the risk of some damage to that pool as you start to gethe close to t riverbank itself, which is the green line, it's a little hard to kind of depending on the resolution of

screens. That's actually the o top of bankf the river. The soils get a very problematics you get a little closer tot' the river. Is not in itself an insurmountable thing, but it has an implication on cost. If you were to go down thathe rout. So tred again, would neeto be some easements for not only, constructionbut operation and maintenance, if that's the route you choose. But it g does, it wouldet the line of protection on the river side ofthat property, but it does haveit is the mosts well. And as I mentioned, therestill are a nug engineerin challenges to get across. And you would be, yes, protecting the home, but the swimming pool would be impacted. Those two outbuildings would beo impacted and it uld probably have a negativee impact for thos folks as well. The homeowner probably won't like it anyway. Alternate D go aheadr with you on altnate D is is more of a future typet of scenario. I would be extending a what you saw inlternate a, the our preferred alternative would be extending it all the way to Beck Street. Now the big point about this is itha does go through tt property that we were talkingir about of not acquing now. So that's probably the biggest downside or drawback of alternate D.ng Te one nice thi about alternate D is it like I said,ur it could be a fute expansion if and when those properties ever docome up for y you acquired the properties you have now, that could be ar, five year, ten yea 25 year vision to completelyar eliminate the tempory flood controls of this area. But it would go all the way to Beck Street, which is the high ground that we would need to tie into for completeth flood protection at is time. So is that another L

thousand or 1300ft?inear feet? Yeah. So basically the the totalmp length of flood, teorary flood protection isro right around right aund 1500ft right now. r That would completelyemove all that temporary and go back with an earthen embankment theou entire way. So you cld spend the city forces elsewhere where i they're needed. Whent comes time to prepare for those floods. So,ts so then it kind of ge into the, the whered, the rubber meets the roa I guess is actually thedo opinion of co. As Gorn mentioned, we are s in roughly 50% designtage right now. That's why there is a range here. We kind of need to decision point w about which alternate weant to go down.e These are all standalon a items so we don't don'tdd. If you want alternate B you need to add alternate. It'sic not don't don't overcomplate it. It's either Awh or B or C or D. Thats ere you can get to.lt So generally speaking, aernate A isll between 850 and 850,001 miion. And then itst goes up from there as you art getting into flood walls, which T are extremely expensive.he biggest cost of the flood wall is the foundational elements. The portion you see is really onlye' about half of the wall. Thers that twice as much down t below the ground in ordero make surewe it all stands up, because can't count on the soils when they're all saturated because of the flood condition. So. Soio yeah, the most expensive optns are alternatee B and alternate D. Those ar the ones that have the longest stretches of flood wall. And again being excuse me, alternate B and C, alternater D is that future expansion o future work if you would so choose. If you wanted to do that all. And keep in mind that is not 15 1.5 million more

correctwn than they are. Each their o price, right? So the cost i difference, if we were to dot now. Question so on D well, first of I all, on the liability on A,eh mean, you're putting a wall bind a guy's house. Soge you obviously they'e going to t wet, right? Yeah. In front of the. Well on the street side. Yes. But when the flood. comes they're going to get wetYep. So we're creating a barrier. Ifli we do we have. What's our liabity on that deal.ni I'd be happy to provide an opion to the council if you would like that. That's not been discussed.cu I have not ben involved in disssion. You build a wall behind m my place and then you. You blocky driveway and then my house floods. I'm going to sue you. In discussed. Well, at this point, it's no matter whatd happens if we're if we're if floo happens tomorrow, we're putting those. Yeah, sandbagsnd out there all across the front. A he's got flood. I just ask because I, you know, I keep going back to D, whichre is I mean, you're saying to acqui theth properties and everything and en extend it permanently where you don't have to mess around with y the temporary stuf and everything,ou can get it done for a 1.7 and acquire thats that's alsocquiring the property. Yes. Why wouldn't we do that? Well, we can I mean, this is where we're at. I mean, I mean, I mean,t we could do it for we can limp in a a million bucks and then we still got a buy maintain and staff and scramble. Right.e Yep. A flood we do. And then we leavit toe the next guy down the road. Mayb buy the property, not buy, or you go in at one, five, one seven or beat upnd the people that are hungry right now. A you're saying you canSt acquire the properties up to Beck reet. You think they're acquirable?se They weren't when we were buying the other ones. Well, we we didn't we didn't

ask for them at that point. At this point, we just these three. Yeah. And we wereretty sure u that those three was all we neededntil you did the topo. And then we did the we're like,c oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, call merazy, but I mean,e I mean, I mean, free kick it down throad to the next guy for the next 20 years. I mean, you're talking the solution done slammed the door. Don't need a consultant 15 years fromn now you invest the one 5 to 1 seven d you fix that problem. Okay, boy, finding the funding is another. Well, again, I go back to my guess is if you putlo a wall behind a guy's house and gets foded out, you're buying the house anyway. You are. No, youes totally are. And I know Im right. Good qution. I'm right. Yeah. Opinion. The one thing I will say is that that the h temporary flood wall in front with theesco baskets, that's what is in the current Corps ofe Engineers design. Okay. That might gi us a little bit of immunity. I'd like to see an opinion, Nicole. But anyway, I justnt think it's you know, I think it's great preseation. I think it'ss a great discussin for the council to have ifrom an investmentys standpoint. At what point, you know, we alwa talk about this community, kicks things down the road and it's like why didn't they do c it this way? Well, you know what? Thisouncil might step upe and say, if we just cure this problem, bdone and beWe done with it. So let's figure it out. ll, that's what we were doing on this extension on the levee until we just foundre out that long enough. That's how we got he. We were stepping y up and not kicking the can. Julie, I knewou were. We're b good. So there's something you want us toring back. So wein voted on. I would love to hear Nicole's opion. So whatever. You know, I'll take that as a yes. And we'll see you at our next. Yeah. Yep. This meeting. No, no, the team meeting. Correct.or Put it on the agenda. We'll gather some infmation before then.

Perfect.av Thank you both. Want to finish well, we still he. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think the only other thing was that the next steps as it's really up there. And that's we're we provided a like a 50% design to Gordon and Brittany. We kind of need some decisions on what the direction is and then we can wrap things up. Gordon didn't mention that any of this has to go and be approved by the Corps ofm Engineers. I was just going to ask that because frowhat we already have, we're going to have to go back to the Corps.ha We're going to have another 6 to 9 months. We ven't officially submitted to the court. We've been meeting with them, though. And and t generaly speaking, we're going to have to goo the Corps with any of those options. Yes. I thought that that may be donene already. They aren't going to tip their hand o way or another.no But generally speaking, it's that they want to kw what your final design is before you get involved with it. Knowing and being through a lot of four wayt process. I think any of those we've talked abo are permittable. It's really, whatn do you want long term best, right? It boils dow to what kind of timeline are you on? I see the next spring, next year we'd like to construct a year from now. So I will say that the Corps reviews are caught up in the kind of ongoing federal budget thing. I know there was a lotut of them in Omaha that st on somebody's desk for abo six months before they ever got any kind of feedback whatsoever. So this is the spring of 27 is when we would like to bebm doing it. But that means we're going to need to be suitting, to the Corps roughly around, you know, Thanksgiving give or take. Well, probably yesterday. Yeah. All right. Understood. Thank you. Will you make sure that gets on the agenda? Thank you. We'llth probably have to move that meeting then if it's on

e next one. When's the next meeting? Oh I'mt sorry, two weeks from today. And I'm I'm gonna put i on. You're gone. Yeah. Well. Brittany. Okay. Permits. Thank you guys. Have you complied? Darrel Baldock, inspection services manager we've got the reports were sent out on each Friday. They can speak there. We do have t an awful lot of them coming in recently, especially onhe residential side. Brian is on vacation this week. So we're a kind of pulling away from the commercial side, as wells my own time to try to get as many of those out as fast as we can. So if you have any questions on that, otherwise, Marty's got an update on our program. Martyme Daugherty, Economic and Community Development, I rember Marty. Thank you. Ours is so much easier than these other ones you've been looking at. We're. It's all good. Anyway. Yeah. We are continuing with the project to implement new software to make the process easier for building in Sioux City. Last week we had our first three. Our plan review committee business process review with the consultant. So it was three hours. It was long. Did it? Well,io it went well. We're goig through the what the configuratn will look like. What the what the public facing software will look like. And we have in that committee people from IT, finance, planning, engineering, inspections, economic development, fire. So a lot of folks involved in this process is the philosophy in the room. Less is more. After the three hours? Yes, it was. I mean, I mean, fromac you guys, I'm assuming you're developing the blueprint. Yes, extly.

Everybody wants to put in their 40 things. I mean, are we. Yeah. You know, all in a b nutshell. I mean, it's going to be the fact that everything wille there to be able to plug and play and move forward asth quickly as thy have the information available for them to move at forward through that. Right now, the focus this last time wasng on more on planning and zoning portion of it. But engineeri, of course, was there as well as as fire. Fire is going to join our part of this group as well to help make that even smoother transition, if you will, for the permitting process, which we'll be starting that next week. Right. So thear second hod on. Did you find out during this process though, Dryl? That's fire. Did you are you guys figuring out during this process what's really code and what's just kind of always has been? Is it is it giving you guys some clarity on this? Because a lot of, you know, I mean, from a, oh, this is the way we always do it versus now you're plugging in what really just the minimum has to happen. Is it a good exercise? Oh, it's always a good exercise tofi review processes. I mean we're doing that right now with grafti, ifff you will, because we'll be taking over in inspections department graiti. And there was a lot of disconnect there. And I think without making that transition to go back and look and see how we're doing things, we would not get better. We would just status quo and it would just keep moving forward the way it was for, you know, and we've got a lot of exciting things coming up as far as that program is concerned as well. And again, that goes back to ease of reporting is going to be an essential part of that as well. On the graffiti part, it makes it a lot simpler for the citizen to make a complaint and get it taken care of quickly. July 1st is when you change the graffiti. Yes. Yep. So again, the business process review started last week. It's continuing this week. It's divided into two sections planning and engineering. And the first one. And then the second part is the building permits. So we'll start that next week. Yeah. That'll be two two additional. The the three hourll sessions will continue to go with planning and zoning,

but then you' have three three hour meetings as well for planning or for permitting services as well, with other departments chiming in on that permitting as well, like the fire department before, for fire alarm permits for fireworks, stand permits for sprinkler system permits, all those kind of things. That way it can be all found in one location and serve the citizens a little better. Glad to hear that the IT department is a part of that, because we got some sharp guys down there that they have to be. We need them. So it sort of is them. Yeah, they have to put it in. We have to figure out what it should do. But all the inputs come from everybody. Yeah, they got all the users down. This thing down. Yeah. It was going to be my question, but when you said it. So yeah, you know, a lot of things, just even user simplicity, you know, there's a lot ofds acronyms that are thron out there that, you know, one department understan every single one of those, but the next department doesn't, you know, they might have a whole different meaning for that, quite frankly, for the same, you know, acronym. So this helps simplify that to make it very much more user friendly in that respect. And we're, we're doing something that hasn't been done in a long time, which we're talking to each other about. Why do we do it this way? You know, maybe, maybe there's a better way to do it. And I think that's healthy. It is have a good result. So just keep getting it to the field. You guys are doing a good job. Get it to the field. Get it, get it to the field. Get it to the field. Yeah. Thank you gentlemen. Thanks. Thank you. All right. Moving on. Heart Homeless assistance response team. Rex Mueller Police Department. Your last memo to council or at least information to council last week would have had the latest statistics. I think the team is still doing what we expect them to do. I see regular emails from the officers involved in that. They're constantly out there problem solving. We've thrown a lot of new locations, projects, concerns and both officers,

along with the other city partners, get right on the issues and provide a response. So I think they're continuing the excellent work that that this council endorsed. And if you have any questions about the last report out, just let me know. I want to thank you know, Captain Bertrand sent out a QR code and everything. I think that's such a great piece to get, especially into the public, so that people can have that readily available to, to reach out. And, and so I've heard some great comments, had a conversation with a local business owner downtown. And that's a direct connection to not only the heart officers, but community resources. So Theyou researched that. We talkd about that. We thought, you know, at a glance, what cld we do? Everybody has phones. And that QR code is a nice link to some of the the resources that the community provides. So yeah, I think we're making really good progress. I think we continue to have the dialog that you're seeing with your team and the stakeholders that are involved with heart. I know that we're all having continual dialog. I met with Jessica last week. I've talked to Joe a number of times. I've talked to Sheila a number of times, and I also had a chance to visit with Wendy Jackson last week, and I think everybody's moving in the right direction. Everybody is is trying to get our arms around the scope of the issue and trying to know the best way to manage it. I think we continue to make good progress. I want to thank you and your team, and I want to thank the other corporate citizens that we're working with to identify all of the issues, all the stakeholders, and come to a resolution. Absolutely. I think a lot of conversations were happening that a year ago were not happening. Right. And the familiarity, the team approach, it's outstanding. I think. I think in the longam run, we're going to be an example to other communities that are wrestling with the se issues, actually working to reach out to a

variety of communities that have dealt with the same issue. Jessica mentioned to me last week that the city of Milwaukee had a similar issue and was addressing it two weeks ago, I was watching a debate on television, and the mayor of San Jose was identifying how they were trying to manage the issue. Mike and I have a call with the mayor's office of San Jose on Thursday. So we're continuing outreach. We're continuing to try and get our arms around all of the issues, identifying issues and coming up with a solution. We had Council Bluffs chief was in town last week, and he and I had a sit down about that, too. They've got a different approach now. There's no one size fits all. Obviously. It's a unique community. So when we tailor our response, it's with our unique needs and our geography and our resources involved. And I think we've done a good job of, of making constant tweaks to heart and the response based on the needs that we find based on the barriers that we've encountered. And I think the team is doing a very good job addressing things. Do you know or Mike, do you know, my understanding is that ship is in possession of a study that was done in the last year or so on the homelessness point in time count, I assume, or the point in time count? No, it would have been beyond a point in time count. It was a broader scope. Can you reach out to ship, please ask Matt if they've got something. And if not, Mike, if you want, I can do that either way to Mike. Okay. Or excuse me. Reach out to Matt. Yeah. Thank you. Matt. Chief, do we know I mean, I know that heart has spent a lot of time downtown. Do we know what the approach is as it relates to the whole city? They have obviously they have a lot of it's called driven, but they have not limited their work to the downtown area. I have seen emails from the heart group. We've gone to the east side, obviously, with some of the concerns brought up about

Gordon Drive and the reconstruction. They've got properties over on the east side that they're watching, locations that they're checking were concern was addressed. It was related to homelessness. So they are not limiting their activity to the downtown area. They're going wherever in town we need them to. And, you know, I don't see any boundaries as to where the heart team is working. So when it comes to feedback, I've been sharing with my fellow council members, emails receiving from local businesses that are very appreciative of what's going on, and they kind of feel like they're getting maybe the shackles taken off a little bit to be able to express themselves on without feeling retaliation, saying, this is happening. And what you guys are, you guys are over the target type thing. We have a lot of work to do yet. So we're my mind is shifting now is to the enforcement side of it. And I think that's why you've been great about supplying the data that you've been. I've been asking for data, even just like the things with the mini bikes and stuff like that. And it seems like that when we ask for data, you guys tweak or sharpen your, your skills on or sharpen a little bit on the enforcement side of it. We asked for the mini bag data for the last year. I think it's kind of an eye opener, how much we, you know, the tickets that weren't written. And all of a sudden now we see that there's an issue. Now you guys have really I saw the story the other night on the TV that have really heightened your awareness on the mini bike issue. So going back to the homeless side of it, you know, we can we can feel really good about ourselves. And I think we are identifying the, the, the players, let's just put it that way. But there's still that 20% that I really want to continue to, to focus our resources being the badges on enforcement. Are they on drugs? Are they intoxicated? Are they trespassing? And if they are, you know, we've talked now to the judges. We want to continue to hammer home the the, the infractions that

they're getting prosecuted, that 20%. They need to feel that they're not that they are endangering or they're not. They're breaking the law. So I just want to compliment you on that. I know that that's part of the focus, but it really this thing is now transitioned in my mind to law enforcement on that 20%. That's the only way we're going to get that 20% to realize that they can't keep doing what they're doing. We haven't, we haven't. The panhandling is down. I mean, it's down now. There's not seven of them standing in the, in the, the median. There's just 1 or 2 here and there. So it's, it's, we're making headways. And I appreciate that the 20%. Can you please clarify again who they are? Yeah. It's the people that don't want help. We we we have historic reach out. Oh, we have historic reach out right now. And that's why I tell people and it's a this is a 20 to 1 issue for every one comment that I get saying, you know, you're being kind of maybe a little uncompassionate there's 20 people saying that, you know, this, this has to happen downtown with, with the investment we have done, they're there and they're good emails and the people are sincere about it. The other thing is people like to reach out and talk about, you know, hey, what if we built this? Or what if the city builds this? I'm just going to be transparent. Like I've said before, my mission is very simple. It's, it's, it's not my mission to house the homeless. It's not the city's mission to homeless houseless. Our mission is to protect the downtown, to protect the downtown businesses, and that patrons and citizens that live down there or shop down there or do business down there feel safe, and they want to be down there. So that's, that's my mission. And the rest of the city, you know, that's, that's the mission. So again, I think that you're over the target. We're focused. And I think with the ambassadors coming on with Reagan, it's great. And we'll just see how the summer plays out. But back to the encampments. I think you're doing a good job there. I'm also meeting on Wednesday with out of Sioux Falls, the head of the BNN railroad back there. That big encampment back there. I toured that facility with the county. You know, they got a lot of property back there. I was back there with the county boys. We're going to

try to put a plan together to get that dose and just get that camp cleaned up. We're going to bring in the railroad, the adjacent property owners that are there and say, this is just it's just a big landfill back there. And it's there's so much. So it'll be collectively all the property owners. Yeah, we're going to, if they don't clean up their property, we're going to clean up for them and we're going to assess them. And I think that the railroad was extremely receptive to this conversation. I mean, I'm meeting with them on Wednesday with the county again. And the public will notice when we go in there, my my goal is to dose that, put a frontage road in there that can be can be patrolled, can be. It's not really it's not. I mean, like I said, I walked in, I walked, we walked the whole way and it's, it's a trail. Yeah. Put in a trail. Really. Yeah. But but a good idea to spend the money. But, but the that's another one. I think that when that one finally we get that one cleaned up, it's going to be very symbolic for the city as called progress. So just keep doing what we're doing. I want to keep that front and center front of the public that we're working on it. So I think I've been clear. I mean, even the last report out to this council that we are still a law enforcement agency, and we're just one aspect. At the end of the day, that's what we're going to do, and we're going to provide a criminal justice response. Our partners in the task force are there to provide the other resources, so we're not going to shy away from arrest when it's necessary. And our officers understand that that's what they do. Yeah. But when you ask for a report out, I think we're reporting out on a lot of our partners within the task force to try to give this council an understanding of what's being accomplished. But at the end of the day, we're police officers. So enforcement is the best tool that we have. In many cases, diversion offers a better result than enforcement. But in in many other cases, enforcement is the best option. And we're not going to stop doing that. That's what we do. So we won't step back and avoid arrest when an arrest needs to be made. And the officers understand that, and the hard officers aren't the only ones

working on the problem. And I like the way you're highlighting. I mean, just like I said, just like I said, the simple thing with the mini bikes, it's going to be curious to see now that the focus has been refocused on that, how many tickets are actually issued versus I think there was like six over the last year. Well, it'll be fun to watch that explode. And, and I had another guy, a guy that's been in my neighborhood driving without a license plate for a year. And all of a sudden now he's getting pulled over. It makes me feel good. I mean, it's like, you know, it's called compliance. I mean, they're going out there and they're, you know, it's the lawlessness in Sioux City. Not saying there was, but that the graffiti, the the lawlessness stops. And I think you're starting to see that. And I appreciate what you guys are doing well, dealing with the mini bikes. That part of that is that's a new ordinance, relatively new ordinance. And the first thing we should always do is public education. And that's what we've been trying to do with our social media. I think there's a lot of parents, grandparents, whoever buying those for their kids with no idea where they could be operated, which is why we've done interviews. We put it on our social media, and voluntary compliance is always the best result of anything. And so trying to publicize that, trying to let our citizens know what they can and can't do with those devices. And I think the messaging has been really effective. I looked at some of the things that we generated on our social media, and kudos to our community policing team for getting the message out in a succinct manner so that citizens don't have to read through the city ordinance to figure out what is and isn't legal. We're putting it right out there very simply for them to understand. And that's to me, is always the first step. I think Iowa law, and then our ordinances did not catch up with those, a lot of those electric devices, because they're kind of a new thing. And now we're we're seeing what's happening with them. And now we're responding with an ordinance last year and with public education, and then enforcement is always going to be part of that. Give them a chance to learn about it. And I don't think that some of the grandparents and parents like you're stating understand that just because it's sold, I mean, you can buy these little mini bikes at Bomgaars and all kinds

of different places. That doesn't make it legal to drive them anywhere that they choose to. So the education is going to be really key. Yeah. The new their new device is relatively new devices. And I think state law and local ordinances are playing catch up. So we're responding to something that came out on the market that municipalities and states weren't necessarily prepared for. And now we got to deal with it with law, common sense laws. And I think the city's ordinance that was authored by one of our great city attorneys, very common sense. I think it addresses the concerns and it, you know, it outlines where those should and shouldn't be used. And I think for pedestrian safety and those are essential pedal cycles for pedestrian safety, I think that the rider safety, we don't want to have any vehicle versus, you know, kids riding an electrified motorbike. We want to make sure that the law facilitates their safety. Thank you, I appreciate it. Thanks, chief. All right. Council concerns Mr. Bertrand quickly. Quickly. The met with on the grading permit. You guys can thank me later for that three hours of my life. I'll never get back. And with Gordon and all them, we are getting through the grading permit upgrades. And Steven is rewriting it now in legal department. I'm really excited about it. We've kind of simplified it, dumbed it down. I think the the development team is going to be really happy with it. The builders, along with as long as the dirt guys, it's needed. You know what I'm talking about. Give you my $0.02. She did. He did. Yeah. Yeah. Noted. Yep. Okay. And it was a good process and we've been working on it. So I'm looking forward to the, the legalese, catching up with it and implementing that new grading permit process. We talked about the Bomgaars building behind there this week. Mike, you're going to get the variance that's coming June 1st. Right on that UTV vote. Is it coming? We've we're probably ten hours into drafting a new

version of the ordinance. So we're working on it. Those are calls I get. We got an update on the spec building at the E D which I'm excited about that. But somebody want to tap Salazar. I had two complaints on Beacon Creek this week. Not not big complaints, but just needs a little cleanliness. And that poor yeah, they had some crackhead walking around there too, and they couldn't get him out of there fast enough. So. So maybe just a little bit more attention in the Bacon Creek area. It's very well used and it's a, it's a nice resource for the public, especially the east side. And then Mike, I talked to you again. I want to continue. We're going to I do want to formally pursue the nuisance on the Nebraska property I want I'm not taking my foot off the gas there. And I do want that to come to council for us to debate and vote. Other than that, it's going to be a great week. My my daughter just graduated. I want to say congratulations to her. She heads to state track Thursday. She is a ten time conference champion and a first team all stater, and this is her senior year, her final race in a Heelan uniform. And I love her and I'm so proud of her. Congratulations on everything she's accomplished, Greg. In addition to the comments I had made earlier with regard to Milwaukee, San Jose, the homeless study, very quickly, Mike and I had a chance to meet last Friday with Community health. Mark and with Brendan had a really productive meeting to understand the full scope of what community health is able to do, the services that they provide and how they really are a separate health care system in our community, and ancillary to what UnityPoint does. And I look forward to continuing to work with them and support what community health does. And then also to Rick's point about Bacon Creek, my family was at the riverfront yesterday, and it's a wonderful facility from from start to finish. Great

opportunity. He was getting really good use, but it just didn't seem like maybe the maintenance had been done for the spring. Can you find out from Matt what he's got planned for both maintenance. Cleanup? What the what he's got planned for mulch. Anything specific? The mulch had not been replaced. Maybe it just needed to be raked and revised. There was quite a bit of dead in a number of the planters. Some of them looked great and there was quite a bit of trash. Okay. Thank you. That's it. Absolutely. Thanks. I was very happy to see the recycle bins next to rolled right. They have seemed like they were out of just out of control, but I was happy to see at least some of those additional ones being placed for. Folks also had the opportunity to participate in the Morningside Days parade, which legendary it was. It was kind of fun. Which brings that. I'm actually excited for the, you know, I won't steal it from you. You know, I know you're going after this. I know, so I'll let you. I won't say it exactly. I'll leave that for you. But also, you know, and Craig had mentioned this earlier, but great to meet with Jessica and Christy. We're looking at beautification and looking at all the areas to, to beautify our city. And I'm excited for that work that we're trying to do and partner with the chamber, as well as Iowa, you know, and those things. So that's it. Good. I am going to announce, because I did not want our 250th anniversary of the United States of America to pass Sioux City by without our effort. So we will be having a 250th

anniversary slash 4th of July parade. It will be held on the riverfront at 6 p.m. on July 3rd. It's going to be fun. Whoever's interested in having a float, if it's your business you want to enter in, if it's a group, if it's a 501, C three, if it's a dance troupe, whatever it is, please go online. Look at the city's website. You'll see the information, how you sign up for it. Let's make it big. We're not going to have this occasion again. I haven't told Mike this, but I'm going to ask that the city also construct our own float. It can be simple at no cost, just on things we have hanging around, because I have a commitment from the county that they're going to do the same. So maybe we have a little competition there. It's just such an important part of Sioux City's history, the country's history, that we mark this down and that when we reach that time, July 3rd, we look at our city, our community, our neighbors, our friends, our relatives, and ask ourselves, are we proud? This is our place, right? This is where we live. This is where we exist. And I know I keep hammering these things, but I can remember back when I first ran for my first council seat, 2019, I was campaigning and at one of the forums I was asked and at more than one, but my first forum I was asked, do you have plans to grow this city? Do we need to expand the city? We need to grow it. What are you going to do? And I just said, well, the reason I'm getting on this, trying to get on this council is to improve our city. And first of all, we need to improve it. I said we need to grow up first before we grow out. So if that makes sense, we need to take care of what we have. We need to love what we have. We need to respect what

we have. We need to get off of the negative campaigning about where we live. This is where we live. It's what we should love. And if you can't love it, you better at least like it because it's a part of all of us. I didn't grow up in Sioux City. I didn't live in Sioux City until 2015. But let me tell you, I fell in love with it very quickly because it's the smallest little hometown city ever. But it's also the fourth largest city in Iowa, and we need to really respect that. And we need to get our place, and we need to stand up straight and proud and prove that this is our community. We're going to keep it clean, we're going to respect it, and that will, through osmosis, bring us employers in more economic development by having a place that their employees that they may bring would want to live. So we're on our way. We just need to get over this hump and continue. And we are all committed to it here. And I just I want our community to just lock arms and let's do this. I drove on Singing Hills Boulevard the other day and I saw a adopted street. It was singing Hills Down by Culver's and a single Sioux City resident's name was on the sign that he had adopted the street. It wasn't a big business. It wasn't a 501 C three. It was no big team. It was Mister Jake Jungers guess what? We have many hundreds. Patrick, how many streets do we have? Thousands or hundreds? Hundreds of streets. So if hundreds of us each just went in and adopted a street or part of a street, imagine what that could do for our litter pickup every week, and it would make our community look so much better. So give it some thought. I might start a campaign for that. Even though we have an adopt a street, I might start a different one. So with that said, the last thing I want to mention is per the mayor's

request, and I do support this, we're going to cut the presentations down to just two a week. So it doesn't matter which two they are or whatever you guys want them to be is fine. But with citizen concerns and, you know, not being able to control that length, he would like to do that and I'll support that. So we still have the presentations. We'll just do limit it to two a week. Okay. All right. With that I move we adjourn. Second. Bertrand Rayford I Shaner I Bernstein I thanks everybody. Thank you everyone.