City Council - Regular Meeting

We're ready to move. Okay. First item. It's. I don't think it's too technical. It's the share ofst share of new residential. The d I g doesn't and for something else. So I shouldn't have taken a bite. We're going to have a water rate increase in the sewer rate increase. Wete do this. We're going to have an even bigger war and an even bigger sewer rate increase. So when you say it's only $6.58 or something, that's without what we're already programed to have. So how much is the I guess that was water or sewer. How much is the sewer fund going to go up anyway? Because it's in the.at How much is it going up without this. Oh the res. I mean, it all sounds good. It's only $6 a year. But on top of what? On top of what? 79 on the sewer. So the sewer rates for FY 27 or 8.5%. So we're talking 11% increase basically. And didn't I see 2.3 or something. 1.32 for sewer. Okay. So it's going to go to 10%. So 8.5% is for industrial. It's 10% for residential and commercial. So it's going to go up. Yes. That'sr? this would be an addition to that. What about wate Water doesn't have any current rates program rate increases programed. So that would just be what's here, which is the six. And what's

the magic of 2.2 5050. We're not required to. I think that the argument is that half of the infrastructure is water and half is sewer. So we've always done it that way.it Well, in government, we always say we've always done that way. Doesn't mean we have to always do it. Right, and that we've gotten in trouble for that before. But it would be difficult to argue that we're paying for sewer increases with water. So if somebody came through andor asked and wanted o know why we used water funds only ful and we provided sewer infrastructure, it would be diffict because of the. Argue. Yes, that makes sense. Well. I know a lot of people are not struggling to pay $3.29 for gas that I saw last week. That doesn't appear to be coming down. But the people that are struggling to pay that, which there are more than we want to believe, are going to have a a rate increase. It's going to be difficult for them and I to pull it for a vote, because I don't think itt looks like you got enough money to do the projects tha you got on the board. Right now, the only item, if youha pull it for a vote, its to increase or change what we ve. Okay. So well, let's back up. I think we're talking on the wrong end of this. It's a big issue right out of the chute. So the bigger issue is that we have zero dig, dig funds are is purely infrastructuret dollars. They're not any type there to buy down. The cos of construction is all it is. Right. That's that's to make sure we're really clear on what these funds do. Andt' in, n this community, people want affordable housing. Thas the whole key. The problem is you can't build affordable housing on 60,000 lots. And developers aren't in a position right now that they're going to invest in $60,000 lots. So when we talk about investing in the community right now, we have

zero funds till 2030 if we don't do anything correct, zero. That's correct. So anybody that comes with the I can count seven cul de sac, seven in affordable housing developments that are in discussion rightnowt to go and they're talking them in at under three, 50 to 300,000. This is all new conversations in the last 3 or 4 months we've talked about. And when you go to them and say, okay, there's absolutely $0 for water and sewer, which is which is putting houses directly onto the payroll. directly impacts the community. It's what the community wants So the idea that we have $0 in this fund is like throwing a big bucket of water on the on your affordable housing community, your builder to tell me that a $350,000 house is affordable is the misnomer. Mr. Bertrand, I'm sorry. Well, the average in Nebraska is 361 is considered now. I think it is low income. So in Iowa it's right around 300,000. So you can't as a guy that's there, $61,000 mortgage is not a low income house. Well, this everybody right here is trying to get under a three.is That's the point. And that's what the point of Dig funds are to get things under a three we've given a lot of money in this area and I will. I would like you to drive me around and show me all the 300 under $300,000 houses that got built because even even houses that are twin homes, condos are not under $300,000. Drive me around. I'm. Bute aren't you making my point? The point is, is that you have. You hav to find a way on the infrastructure side of it. But now all of a sudden it's whatever the developer wants around here. You know, we used to tag it at 7000 and guess what? We had homes built. Now we're up to ten, 12, $20,000 a lot like up in my neighborhood. And those houses,

the lots aren't going to be any cheaper. They're still going to be $50,000. And the guy bought the ground pretty cheap, and we subsidized the hell out of all the engineering and everything else. This is just another way for developers to make a lot more money. Nah, that's that's.. Well, that is that. No, that's what happened. You know what happen They don't build. That's what happened. They don't build. It's just thatsimpe housing, you got to subsidize it. It's just that simple. And that's old way of thinking. The the old way of thinking. Keep thinking that way. You know what? You're going to get what you're going to get the nexto couple of years, zero. And the affordable housing, which you're going t get. So it won't be a lot in my neighborhood under 50 grand. Guarantee it. So Martin, let me ask, let me kind of read, let me pivot a little bit. So the suggestion was about $1 million. I don't question that those funds could be properly used if we reduced it to half $1 million. Is it still effective? Is there an alternative source rather than affecting the water or the sewer fund? And how do we manage those funds? To the mayor's point, to make sure that the funds are being adequately used for?w Obviously, it's a moving target, what affordable housing means, but ho do we manage sort of those components, the amount and are there alternative sources for the funding and how do we manage the requests? I can speak to the the the funding. Unfortunately, we aren't able to use anything but water and sewer for infrastructure. About two years ago with the Senate file 718, they removed the catch all provision for bonds. So we are unable to use geo bonds. And I wasn't necessarily wondering whether we could bond that activity. I was wondering whether there were grant dollars or alternative sources we could look at in future years using EDI sales tax. That is, it is allocated within a referendum for EDI. Those are items that we can look at right now. That's not how they're currently programed. Doesn't

mean we couldn't look to do that in future years. And you're you're indicating those funds are already tied up for the fiscal year currently. Right now, we couldn't reallocate those funds now to affect the sewer and the water fund. Right. And it would be I don't know that we'd get $1 million out of that either. I maybe could find 250 to 500,000. And that's sort of my point is if we if we could help supplement whatever demand there would be on the water and sewer funds, I think that helps the both the commercial and the residential components. Right? Sure. Certainly, as Teresa said, we did used to have other funds in there that we had to take out a few years ago, and then economic development sales tax is an. This would be an eligible use for it. And it has been growing. I'm not sure. We didn't really look at a number there that might work, but I would look to finance for that. But I know there's a lot of other demands on it, but I would add that TIF is another source that we can use for infrastructure for new housing, and we just did that with the Labor Heights project we looked at. We envisioned this being kind of a combination using TIF, plus maybe a small amount of funds to help supplement for. So when you look at the the memo, Renee, it lists potential projects and I think there are. 11 on Castle Place, Morningside Avenue, whispering Creek business 75 and highway 75, Lakeport Commons boys and girls home zoo site. Prospect Hill sites at Whispering Creek, Eagle Ridge and Highland Park are. Projects are any or all of those currently in a tiff? Most of them are. They are. Or they could be placed into a tiff. Could be okay. And there's another project we just met with last week that wasn't even on this list. So we're constantly getting. And I've talked to two since then that are all in the same mode. They're looking at punching in

single family, not the not the big high rises, the candle type stuff. I mean, you're talking about single family is starting to get some momentum again in this town. And I think that the developers all understand the number they got to hit, which is where the bigger piece of the pie is to get there. You just like other communities, especially in Nebraska and up north in Orange City, Sioux Center, all these other places, this isn't a this isn't a new concept, but the idea that we have $0 staring at, staring for, for infrastructure on the dig side of it for the next couple of years, it's just it's beyond belief. It should be more than that. But I think the million dollars is really that's going to get chewed up so fast. It's not even funny because the pent up, the pent up demand that is there. And another thing we're not taking into account is cheap money is on the way. And when the cheap money comes from the banks, there's so much pent up demand right now for housing, non apartment housing that's ready to explode. And if we're not ready and we don't have the tools locked and loaded to, to cut these developers loose, they're going to move on to the next community. Just that simple. And it's not about it's in these dollars go directly into infrastructure. I don't know, I just think that's it's not it's a non-negotiable. It's from a development standpoint, it's a deal killer. Then find another money source because the people that are struggling to pay their bills don't need a 1,012% water rate increase. Well, they're also the same people looking for affordable housing, Mr. Mayor. Well they're not yeah, they are, they're not. They're looking to move out. Their kids move into the house behind them. Dude, I'm in that market. They move out of the house. They're in out of Leeds and they move right. And the kids stay behind him in the house behind them. And then everybody moves forward. Right now we're at a complete stalemate with affordable housing at $300,000 housing, and that is the new 200,000. It is. I get it, you don't get it. I get you're not

a big supporter of the development side of it. But but I have supported this. How many years? Don't say I'm not a supporter, Rick. I'm not a supporter of raising rates in these times of uncertainty on people that are on a fixed income. You can argue all you want. That's a great talking point when you're talking about moving the city forward from an infrastructure standpoint, that's great. I do want to say that I'm looking at the sales tax, the sales tax balance right now. We would have enough money to move forward with like $500,000 this year out of any sales tax. We could reprogram that because we do have a currently have a balance, don't we split it half and half. That's what I'm wondering is something like that. One thing that's helpful too is, is a lot of times with these projects, they take several years to build so you can spread out the city's participation. The sales tax will still build well and the sales tax. Either way, whichever fund is used, it can be spread out, usually over a couple of years, several years. I want to propose that we split it and stay at $1 million. Juli. Or maybe reduce that. We need the million. And I've stopped using the term affordable housing because there is it's just an antiquated word term for me. Affordable housing is having a healthy inventory at all price points and affordable housing in today's world is more a HUD assisted home, something like that. We're talking workforce housing is really what we're talking about at this $300,000 point. Rick, you said under the Casselman off of Casselman, the Heinrich court over there, all of his are under 300,000 that he's building and that he's built. And he has almost every lot sold since he started this last year. And the homes are being built. So the sweet spot really

for workforce housing, meaning the incomes that we have here in our workforce in Woodbury County is that sweet spot of just under 300,000 for working family. And that's where we're getting and the bill getting some assistance from when they apply for the workforce housing tax credits, not through the city, but through the state. So I think it's affordable at one point, but it's workforce and it's approachable housing. When we get to that 300,000 break point in to that point, I have talked to a couple of developers too, and I've challenged them to get us in the under 300,000 for a two bedroom home. And they do need the help with the infrastructure. And the one thing about the infrastructure, it's here. It's not going anywhere. We're building infrastructure to connect to more and more and more. Julie, can I clarify? The motion is for $500,000 from sales tax and 250,000 from water fund. 250,000 from sewer. Okay. Thank you. Right down the middle. We have a second. Second. Bertrand I Brayford I Shaner I Scott better than what it was. Yes. Berenstein same. I passes five zero water and sewer fund was discussed with that project. 663150 speculative building development C I p page 78. Report page 11. So, Mr. Mayor, this is that spec building that you brought to our attention a couple of months ago that we did one a while back. And since then, I've had a conversation with two developers that are interested in it to go. And I think that's really what we're talking about here by around

the 50,000 square foot. Is that what it was, Mike? Yeah. And then you identified the sites that are available for the city. And actually the city can kind of choose where they want them. Both developers are open minded to whatever where the city wants them. So yeah, I think we have a couple sites identified out there and one already on the property. And one provides actually two spec buildings in possible on the same parcel. So thank you for bringing that to our attention. I think the community did not know that was available. Well it's been available for five years around here. Do it. And I don't understand why a little bit of caring costs you have and everyone we've ever built, we sold it. Yeah. I don't think we've just promoted it as strongly as I don't think they knew about it. I really I promoted this in the past, but. Yes, sir. Yes sir, you have. But I think we got more discussion this last time you brought it up. I really make sure it's docsite. We've made that mistake before. It's not Doc, I don't build it. We do have a standard plans we've used before that we modified. Well, we. The last one we. We looked more closely at Doc at the doc height, but we do. That's. The other advantage is that we do have plans we've used before that we can have reviewed, but reuse again for a 50,000 square foot building. And we have the land available. And the ones. In the memo we pointed out, the one site has already had the site plan reviewed and soil tests done and all that. So it's unfortunate that you can't find a site on the north side where we own land to begin the process of that becoming our next. That should be one of our sites. We can look at that as well. And I think that's where one of the guys wanted to go, right? Yeah. I don't know why we should split it. I agree somebody's got to pioneer that. And a developer's not going to pioneer a new. You should be able to punch a site in there off of the existing road, so

your concrete costs wouldn't be that substantial. And, and you know, every everybody has to have somebody go first. And this is where the city I think should go first. And I think the reason we stayed away from that is there is 100,000 square foot spec building being built not far from that site. So we thought maybe if we start down by the airport and you ought to build it there, they're not going to be in competition for each other, but whatever, wherever you want it, I don't care, just get a building. But I do agree there are some North side sites that I think we we've talked a couple times about. I think there's a site right off of 75 that I think we have to move that by this time it is. We have funds programed out of Tiff, which would be down by the airport in FY 28. The motion would be to move this all of the funding available forward, move that second. Rayford I sheiner I got I berenstein I Bertrand I this cells in the next two years. Let's not wait another seven to build one. Okay? Okay, five O passes, let's shingle them like it. Project 663301 downtown facade tenant Improvement programs. SIP page 100 report page 17. Reagan. Was Reagan here? I'm just curious. It's just info, isn't it? It is. But I'm just curious if Reagan's here to comment on adequacy.

Okay. Okay. Project 663197663306 and 6633 84. Report page 18. What can we do about this? Confidential memo to. I think there was a supplemental confidential memo that was also provided with the listing that was just requested. Okay. Okay. Project 379010 Tyson Event Center Remodeling and Repair c I p, page 134. Report page 19. Is this the one where they came in under budget and they're going to spend it somewhere else? Yeah. The mayor just wanted to outline of what the actual costs were for the project. And if we had done anything with the money that we had budgeted, which we have not, it's still in the project. Can you introduce yourself, please? Oh, sorry. Jessica Johnson, city manager's office. Oh, what are they going to do with it? Because if we have 100,000 left over, that means we can bond 100,000 less than. Which I think is the plan, correct? Yep. We can reduce it. You will just motion for you to reduce it. Yeah. Because that goes back into the general fund. Right. I'll move that second. Are we right now I think it's project. I think we already factored that in so we could. Reduce bonding somewhere else. 1,127th work plan. I think we've already accounted for that. But

we're moving 100,000 out. We would write yes, you can move 103,103. You guys want to talk? You better get up here now. Okay. We've already programed it as a as a project balance as 150,000. So for this coming 27 year because this is the 26 expense. So we're using that whatever what the the cost that difference. We've programed it into 27 for project balance. Yep. So there's no need to. We have a new floor for the n a I we will next year sir. Come on up to the mic. Jessica Sykes who's are we borrowing for this? Is that on n I introduce yourself. Oh, I'm Chad Smith general manager of the Tyson Event Center. We're currently using the the regular Tyson floor for the tournament this year. It was repaired and we're using it in the capital that we have for the upcoming FY 27. There is a new court in it. I've turned all that information into Jessica into to Mr. Colette for them to review, and then we'll have a new court for next season. And going forward, the new court design will allow us to speed up the process of changeover. We actually have already been inquired by a couple of universities to play some potential non-conference neutral site events next year. So that's one of the things this court would be used for. We're also looking at new hoops. The hoops that are in the arena right now are actually a sponsor of the Naia tournament that is loaning them to us because they want their product

in front of people's eyes. So the hope is the bid for or the quote for those hoops, in addition to three other ones, we'll be able to keep those here. It'll save us cost of shipping. The ones we talked about last year that we were going to, less expensive. Yes. Better design. Yes. Okay. So they they have a more of a buffer area off the baseline. It's a ten foot buffer or ten foot arm instead of the traditional eight foot arm. So it's actually safer for the athletes, whether they're male or female at any level. These are also power assisted. So it doesn't take as much manpower to hoist them up into place. If you've ever tried to set up a hoop system, you need like four guys. Now you can do it with one guy. So it does reduce the labor cost on setup and everything. Like I said, on the hoop side, we're still getting quotes, but the hope is that when we get the three quotes that the current hoops that are here from that company that is a sponsor of the NCAA tournament will be our best bet so that we don't have to worry about shipping those back. They don't have to worry about shipping new ones here. We don't have to worry about a tech coming back on site. There was quite a price difference between them. Yeah, when it's all said and done, it actually averages out to about five grand per hoop. But our our equipment is already installed on this. So our shot clocks are our lighting system and everything is already installed on the hoops we're using. So from that, that perspective, you know, post post tournament, if we do have to ship these back, we have to take all that equipment back off. Too bad they can't just donate them for large advertising on them. It would be nice. Yes, the hoops are about $20,000 a piece if you buy them individually. So the range in the hoops that we're looking at is about 19 5 to 26, depending on the brand. Spalding is a little bit more

expensive, but Spalding is what a lot of people know. That's what the NBA uses typically, so it'll just vary depending on what we what we need. The hoops that we have in the building right now are made by Garrett Performance sports. Very good, very reputable company. They do the Naia. They do a lot of the conferences. They do a multiple division one in any university. So I feel comfortable with those. Should those be chosen? Obviously, before I knew Garrett existed, Spalding was going to be my choice or would be my preference, but it's going to come down to dollars and cents of what makes sense for the building, and it's still providing us what we need. All right. Did we get paid for the floor damage yet? We have that AR out to USA badminton. So we're just waiting on that payment right now. How much is that in total? It's about $44,100. And that's the rent and the repair all included. It was about $1,700 for the repairs. They haven't paid the rental fee for that as well. USA badminton hasn't paid. So that's that's being worked on by our finance department right now. And I would hope as a as an Olympic organization, that payment will be coming soon, especially since it's funded by the government. Essentially. I would hope that that funding would be coming shortly. But yes, it has been it has been invoiced. Again. Are they holding the rental? I think we were waiting for damage resolution. I think they were waiting on everything until they knew what the final cost was. One. One more thing. I contacted Pollard at Iowa State. It doesn't have to be Iowa State, Augustana, South Dakota State people don't realize they're in the big 12 wrestling now. Iowa is a wrestling state. They went to Humboldt, Iowa,

because that's where the coach was from. It's ridiculous that we don't have some sort of sport like that in Sioux City. So I don't I have no confidence that we're going to get a basketball game. I don't understand why, because we would sell out the Tyson if I were Iowa State came here. We should maybe start with a wrestling school and prove that we can do well with it, because the subsidy would be insignificant for wrestling to make it work. Yeah, and I'm a wrestler, and I was a wrestler and a wrestling coach, and I wrestled in college, so I appreciate that sentiment. I'd love to host a national tournament, regional or district tournament here. It's time something comes to the western side of the state. I'm serious. They go to Sioux Falls in a 3200 seat gym and we can't get one in the Tyson is absolutely ridiculous. And the time we tell the state of Iowa that we're here and we want something, and we need to say it loud and clear because we would sell seven, 8000 seats if Iowa State or Iowa or Iowa State than Iowa, of course. But I would agree with you. And it kind of it's something we're talking about later, but I know that the incentive fund that we're going to be talking about later is primarily for shows, but that is one of the one of the issues we have when it comes to that. We looked at doing a Division one game last year, but we had we would have had to pay for the visiting team to come. So that's a price you got to pay. And that's that's where, you know, potentially this money could work to an Iowa State game. If you could do it, recapture it, you could do it here and not have to pay charge 150 and still be able to subsidize those teams. I think I'd look at it in two directions. Number one, Chris McGowan is involved. He's on the board for the National Wrestling Association. Chris will help us. And at the same time, I'd try and tandem something with the city of Storm Lake. Ben McLellan from Iowa is from Storm Lake and I

know they've got a strong relationship. The community still has a strong relationship with his family and others. Let's see if the University of Iowa will come here for a basketball game and partner with Storm Lake. I've been working on that since I got on the Sports Commission. I know we've been working on the Iowa game for 2 or 3 years. I did a little due diligence back when they were up at the Pentagon, at the Pentagon that year. It just ticked me off that they were there and being on the Sports Commission, their travel per team up front was 175. K could have that all day long. Absolutely. And, you know, Tim Savoia backed me on that when I said, you know what, the city will front the money. We'll do it. We'll pack that Tyson and we'll get every bit of it back. And people were kind of wondering in Tim's said, I agree with Julie, if we can get them here, we'll get our money back. Yeah. If we can get a Division one game here, right, we'll get we'll write. We'll make the money back. Right. What are they doing in South Dakota is the question. I don't have $175,000 motivator. That's what they're right. So don't be afraid to pony up the money. We'll get it back. I, I also have a contact with the women's team. So let's let's talk. Yeah, absolutely. I have one quick question. And maybe this is for Theresa or, or Jessica. So on for the unprogramed amounts. Does that come out in any particular year or how does that the Unprogramed is at some point we have to add that into what we're doing. It's my understanding we just haven't selected a specific any of those specific items. Like I know you referenced the long lines renovation, right? You know, we also have updates to the box office and lobby area. There's updates to the locker rooms we'd like to do. As I mentioned, when we were here in January or February, I don't remember which one it was for

sure. You know, we have a 23 year old building that needs updates. Typically, buildings of that age have been at least had one renovation. We've had none at this point. So at some point here, along with the infrastructure work that we're doing regularly every year, and the and the upgrades and the replacement of certain items like courts and hoops and things like that to maintain our safety for the players and attendees coming to the events, we're going to have to start putting some money into the infrastructure and rooms and the esthetics of the facility as well. So then, because I mean, those are some big numbers there. Yeah. So if something breaks or something, then where do we get that? I mean, depending on, on, on the value or the price of that project, it will depend on whether it becomes a capital project or if it's considered a repair and maintenance project. Recently we did some upgrades to the to our Hvac system that ended up being a capital project. But then we had some other smaller projects that were under the threshold that were part of our general fund for the building's repair and maintenance. So it just depends on where that threshold is. Typically, if it's over 15,000 and then depending on what it is, correct, it'll either be capital or venue expense. But to answer your question, if we have a big unexpected capital expense, then it impacts what we have planned and programed. Then we have to make a choice on what we're not going to do, because we only have so much funding. And those items that are in programs, typically, we rely on them to tell us when they need to come out of on programed. So, you know, we know now that we need dressing rooms. We need them this year. So they'll start to pull those items out of programed. Typically, they don't go straight to the current year unless it's an emergency. We can foresee whether or not we need it, so they may pull it into the, you know, the first or the fifth year out. And then

it keeps coming forward, getting closer. Cool. Great conversation. Project 159019 Fire Station improvements page 154. Report page 20. Good morning, Ryan Collins, fire chief. Along with me is Mark ASAP, who's in charge of our maintenance and repairs of our facilities. There was a question during the during the CFP with regards to the cost of the bathrooms at station one. That is that is what what we're talking about here today. Marietta, you had a question about the $200,000 price tag and what that went to that estimate. And as you will notice in the memo included as part of that is the plumbing underneath the concrete slab. It's a 40 year old station, similar to what happened at station 7 in 2020, where we did some upgrades and we found out the the pipes below that slab were, were essentially Swiss cheese. And so we had to dig up that concrete slab and replace all the plumbing underneath that. And that's just within this footprint. I'm sorry, just within this footprint that's on the diagram. Correct if necessary, and that if necessary, we don't know until we start digging in to figure out how much of that maybe need to be replaced. Thank you.

Project 319007 Morningside Library Improvements c I p, page 173. Good morning, Helen Rigdon, library director. The mayor had asked at the c I p for a cost estimate of a two inch overlay, and I have those from the engineering. And he also gave us the three inch. Thank you. We'll get her. That's all right. That's u r okay. So I want to walk this parking lot into man, do we really want to do an overlay on this one again? I mean, it looks like it's like bad wallpapering on a 1920s house. I mean, and we just pretty rough it to the effective fiscal agenda. Yeah. For us to decide do we want to break this up? Do we have some green space? I like that idea that came out of that meeting we were in is of what do you think of that Helena shrinking that parking lot? We talked about it a couple years ago when this first came up and we talked about making it, you know, extending Peters Park on around or, you know, because that parking lot is never full except when the carnival's there and then it's Carnival. It's not parking. Yes. And unfortunately the carnival does a lot of damage to it. So I don't know, Carnival needs a new home or the design will determine that, but I don't think an overlay is probably the answer to this problem. And again, we're going to research that the effective, effective fiscal and public policy group's going to in the library be involved in that conversation. So I don't think the board is going to have an

issue if we bring that in there and create green space on the other end of that? I don't think so. We've talked about it before. So yeah. Can you provide us like an estimate of what you think you need for parking for the library? You know, I'd say maybe. Well, when we have a big program out there, maybe building. Yeah. But we do have big programs during the summer and there's probably maybe a 50 parking spaces, I'd say maybe more. But the majority of the parking is used by the businesses, right? Well, you're still going to have to maintain. And when you go to that committee, you better include the Morningside Commercial Club because. Yeah, right. I was going to say we've had conversations with them and they've been involved. West side of that parking lot would be better to be green than the carnival can drive the stakes in the ground right then, right, I agree. And the green space we need to discuss with Mr. Salvatore. Right, right. Find out who's going to maintain it. Yeah, because they maintain Peter's Park behind us. Well, then go into and just do concrete one time and be done, you know, and food trucks like to go in there and park. So it's a discussion. Yeah. It's going to be, I think a multi-use. I just know I walked that lot and it's in bad shape. Yeah, it is in bad shape. But you know, it's the carnival I think over the years has what would you like us? I do know, like I said, it's a topic in the Fiscal Policy Committee meeting. I'm going to I've asked Gordon to provide me all of the information from the previous conversations that we've had with the Commercial Club, which has been a part of too. And I can invite. I don't know who Helen would want me to invite. I'll reach out to her who they would like to sit in with the Effective Fiscal Policy Committee. We do have to keep in mind that that I don't know if it's a street or whatever goes past there that goes into the. Well, the post office drop boxes are. And that there. I think we'll have to, you know, those are some things, but I don't know that today that we really need to do anything or move anything. We

can certainly review it and then bring something back. We're not required to keep that open for the post office. No, I agree, we just have to work with them to remove it or to locate it maybe on, you know, on Morningside Avenue or somewhere else that can go away. Mr. mayor, we're not required. Post office sold the building years ago. Yeah, but they don't have that spot. It's not like they got a drop. They got that. We're not required to furnish them space for a drop box. Yeah, we could we could actually open that all up if we wanted to then I mean, yeah, I mean, the only thing I would say Gordon, they do have a big car show there once a year. So when you do the parking lot, don't build a curb, build a drop curve so they can drive up and do their car show. Yeah, on the grass. And we did discuss that too when we met with them. Yeah. All right. Those were the two items, the carnival and the car show that they had concern about. That's why you got to do a drop curve there. So that yeah, I think that we all agree then that this could be make a better use of this space. And we just need to take a step back and evaluate what we want to do, do our due diligence, get the all parties in and make a decision later. All right. Thank you. I like that idea. Project 459102 long lines family rec center c I p. Page 197. Report page 23. Matt Salvatore, Parks and recreation Director at the C I P hearing. We just had a discussion on the last time the cooling tower was replaced. We confirmed it was 2010. We had it inspected in February of 2024, and we can get by through FY 28. On the replacement of that cooling tower. Good to push it out. Yeah. So the other part of this piece is the pool. Is that on

this that that's part of it. The Lewis and Lewis pool. The next one down. Was it the next one down. That's 11 and 12. Yeah. My bad. The'l Il wait. Okay. The coolingow ter is actually in 28. Yeah. It's already need to makeny a. Yeah. All right.59 4179 annual swimming poolai mntenance c I p page 2O4 report page3. 2nd A there's a bigger discussion on this on item 44. So I don't know if this alls tiein with that agenda item, butca we n talk about it now or later or both. Let's discuss the questione. her Just the last capital and operation. Yep. Either place. So basically you're saying you can call it for five grand and that limps us through the summer. Yeah. So we don't have to we do not have to pay S 120.o we do not have to pay and we can be open this summer. Yes. That would get us to the fall. That woulds get u through this season 100%, 100%. No issues, no liability. Yeah, let's do that. If you did pay it, it would be fall,ct corre? Yeah. We wouldn't be able to pay it until fall anyway. Sothat's yeah, let's just start there. And then that paintingam ount though is in FY 27 budget. Yeah, I would wait, I would wait to bid that project out g until Iot authorization from the council.en So depding on what you determine on number 44 will, will determine if that needs to be removed from the budget, because right now it ist pa of the bonding for 27. Just push it to 44 and have a bigger discussion. I think 12 as well. Okay.do We can that. Item 12 is 545921 for aquaticcomprehensive plan C I W 210.e can move those. Do you wantss to discu those two items

in conjunction with 44 when we get there? Probably so. Okay Ie. agre Thanks. Thank you.22 5392 renewable fuels c I 2 p page70 report page 24. Dot W Publicorks Director.po Can't lish this one, can we?It Nope. 's a turd.ha We hope tt production goes up after the project. Holyt' moly. So whas the litigation, Mr. Mayor?s No. How' that proceeding? Why? We're a not in courtlready. Amazing. To me, this ises the biggt boondoggle that ever wass laid on thi city. I know Steven'sn working on othat side of it. Yeah. Ihi hope we re somebody that's really good to be an attorney,if becaue we don't have a case in this, we'll never have a case anywhere in America. The Stanley b Consultants haseen hired to help Steven.e' Yeah. Thers no silver lining at this.he Well, I guess tre is. At some point, you're going to get some, clearer methaneright? With a new plant down the road. Yep. They'ref getting a lot o it. By the end of this year, we'll d have a projectone that will increase productionen by by the d of phase one, we will be a lot more production. So sellable we'll never meet thenumber they proml never get to the numbered they promis. We'll never be able to produceer 800 cubic feet p minute of biogas, eighta $9 million year in revenue. If we ever hit three, it'llw, be right no the credits have tanked, so we switchednt to the voluary market. Really?d Yep. They tol us all that

California credit money wascoming, right?I would have ther put this money somewhere else. But the cityhi was sold on sometng that they promised and.ag But it isnt ainst the law to lightn, the torch agai is it? No, it's not, but just keep that in the back of, our minds. Not that but I mean, always keep that in thehe back of your mind. Tre's no reason we can't light that torch again, right? Yeah. Project 719121 andag 719373. Report pe 25. t Gordon, I've beenhinking a lot about youre Morningside Avenu project. I know you love those completewo streets, but when uld that be?ro One side avenue fmet Cecilia Park to Pers Park. You've got a bunch of money for, right?ng Gordon, fair city eineer. Yes. Theco corridor, the whole rridor from J to transit. a Yes. We're lookingt doing a study. I drive that m on occasion. Not asuch as I used to, but w have we had a majorater main breakha there? No, not not tt I know of. I haven't done the study on that part of it yet.t The water main is abou 130,wh 135 years old. That's at the whole city. So what the heck. But it is one of the older ones.r. What do you suggest, M Mayor? t Well, I

like it. Overheu last ten years. If yodo it right, that's a heck of a. You just saw 237,000 as opposed to a million for paving. I likeak to do an overlay and te the money that he's going to program in for that and do more overlays around town, becausen we're not keeping up o that. Right. And I known you'll havea water maibreak as soon as I say that,t right. This study righ now is that we're doing we're actually applying for a grant from Simcoeon just for the study porti. Soel if we applied for it wl,y late yesterday to qualif for the study, do we have to do the whole from the bottoms up? No, it's just ao study. It's just a study tsay this is what you shoulde put there for the complet streets.an Looking at doing three les, possibly bike lanes and so forth.yt Anything, anything and everhing in that stretch because it's a, a four phase project over eight years. Well, another thing too, Mr. Mayor, I think you're on to somethingac because of some of the tivities that were proposals that arend out there for the college a stuff. You know, I don't know whatt they're going to get into oufront for infrastructure too. And all of a sudden we throw down $1 million street infrastructure and thenn we're right back into it withi18 months, you know what Ily mean? So that study you actual will take into account. Yeah, Iit hear a stakeholder meeting wh them and all the otherre business owners in that sttch. o I I'm not against the mill andverlay at all. Mr. Barclay told me thatas a good mill and overlay can lt up to 15yi years. I'm just being just sang ten but. Do youho think the bikes will survive tugh, without a bike lane? I Now, if there's any bikes used, was

just curious. I don't I don't put anybody in danger. The firstt phase of that appears to star in 29. Is thatro accurate? That's what you've pgramed it. So okay, Irt just want to clari. Okay, sta the design and two years. No. Next year. N What do you propose, Mr. Mayor?ot that I don't. Iut guess we'll wait for the study, b I all it is, it's just a study at this point next year,ha if that study shows something tt. Well, what? It'll just show the design options for us. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I can bring back on how many leaks we have there and any other problems wesa have for sanitary. When it's nitary and storm or sanitary andin water. When is Simcoe goig to fish Lakeport? That is a still that's w waiting to have just starting. Yeah,e just signed thee agreement for. I know you told me w were already studying that corridor a while back because I asked the question. That was phaseoneg it all up.nd given the actuale, full on recommendation, phase on they did. They closed the book. Now they're starting phase two. When that one's done, have a comprehensive results for us. Is m that something that we we study? Iean, do you do that or do you simple.at Simcoe and city have partnered on th one and hired a consultant. The whole stay on that on the Lakeport one. And so far it's come out of there. A lot ofth improvements that we can do for bo cyclists, pedestrians and traffic from s Morningside Avene all the way down toingingt Hills. So then do do. I mean, is tha budgeted like now that yes, we've already o done that. And that actually I think isn

the agenda forti Monday for the it's one of the, our poron. It's one of the anticipated expenses in FY 26. Okay. That's just 20%e actually for the stud. That was a littl bit more on the second phase, but. So based on that, we can go and can make adjustments tor' the work plan n future years for next yeas CIP. Given that this is in well, the design would start in 28. If it's a 29 expense, right? t o there's time to make adjustments onhat. Okay, great project 719133 annual infrastructure Reconstruction CIP page 313 report page 27. Gordon. While you're there, though, are they going to work on West or Sixth Street and 11th Street at the same time?o, The bridges you're referring to. Yeah. N we're not going to. No, we're doing Sixth Street this year. This calendar year. They're starting today. 11th Street will be next year.tr You're going to let that bridge on 11th Seet go another year. Yep.ri That's why it's wait rat. Why did we not the bdge on 11 with all the grain trucks is aav disaster. I don't know why you would not he reversed g that. The timing for the funding funding Iot for 11th Street reconstruction, along with thefI didn't want to close it onelo year and then close it again the next folwing year. You're going to have a real mess with that bridge. If they i keep calling all that grain in there,

well,t is weightless. They're notea supposed to be driving on it, but they do. Okay. Yh, you can tell me that, but go up there. Yeah, I know enforcement farmers are not going to go down to sixth Street to get to the.h Actually, they're a lot f them are going up to 18tand a down because they're queuing up there. Not atll. No, not the people coming from South Sioux. They're not. Okay. Project 719381 Hamilton trivia intersection C I p page 338 report page 37. Just for my own satisfaction. I wasn't here, but I want to go on record that I know these guys all voted for it. I don't care, that's not I that's not the place for a roundabout. Please put me onca record as that if you want to make a vote so I n vote no, that that'll be great. I'll also, for the record, we didn't vote in favor of a roundabout mayor. We went for funding for it and that's how the funding isht going to come. You're going to be stuck with it, rig? If no, but I don't think we are. We aren't stuck. We.ui You told us before that we didn't we were not reqred to takeo the funds. Right. If they're awarded, then we can d theor study, determine whether it's appropriate. That's crect. The study does show that the roundabout is efficient and the safest. Right. Hands down. If we get the grant and we don't and council decides not to do the roundabout, we just have we just don't accept the grant. Right. So then we'll eatte the 5 million that they would have given us or whaver. It's not going to happen. You, you know, I know, I know a lot of people still believeve in Santa Claus too, but I'm not naive enough to belie once yound go for that grant and that's the only way you can fu the w intersection. We're going to build a roundabout. That'shat's going to happen. Actually, the whole project is funded by the city currently, right. Without

without the funding to get a grant. Yeah. And when the council has to decide if they're going to take 4 or $5 milliong in grant money or do it on their own, guess what's goin to happen? Iny know I'm going on record as that's not true for me away. Ied can't speak for everyone else because I'm not convinc. And Gordon, you know that in our meetings I wanted a solid signalized plan to go right along with that, and we got it. So we do have choices, and I'm not convinced that's the right place either. We'll see how we progress. You know, the ultimate question is the safety and the functionality.at I'm assuming that the size you're designing will make th area functional. We've got a proposed quick star bomgaars in that location. They're aware of of of the proposal. They haven't we haven't g asked them to necessarily sign off, but they're aware it'soing to be designed properly if the safety is addressed, if the design and functionality is addressed, I'm certainly willing to continue to have the dialog. So currently, as as we sit now, we are proceeding with a the design for the road that's going to go on the west side of quickstart. Nothing to do with roundabout or traffic signal. Either way, we have to put that road in so traffic doesn't block that intersection, because with this increased traffic, it'll get blocked immediately. And we already have a problem. The truck stopss a problem with that. It should ve been done a long time ago. I know, but the only the only question I got on that that whole road thing, I get it. But we the lot that's going to be next to quick star K, closest to B to the east, closest to the Memorial place. Yeah. Yes. Are we. Which plan makes that

lot dead in the water. Well it doesn't make it dead in the water. Well, you can't put like a McDonald's there. You can't. No,no we will not put a high traffic. You can't put high traffic will t be anybody that would want that lot can't build. There is what I'm saying. Is that under the roundabout or is that under the four way? Both. So that's a dead lot. No matter what we do, unless we do the five legged roundabout, the only way it'll work is if a five legged roundabout is. I can already see the proposal sitting in front in front of us in a couple of years. If somebody wants to put something on thatou lot and who didn't? W? Nobody talked about what we're talking abt right now. So just want to include that in the conversation. Sure. And so be aware. Just add to this conversation here. We are going to talk about this in our team meeting, what the next steps are and whether we're going to present to council. If we want to wait to make this decision now or wait until we get the funding results of the funding, even t know if we're going to gt the grant. I know that's why I'm sayinghat's what I'm saying. We're going to discuss that in the team meeting, whether or not we want to just go ahead with a complete public discussion here with council, whether to do roundabout or signal, regardless of the funding. Well, the visceral or on the roundabout is kind of interesting. My mother even jumped me in. I said I didn't realize she drove a semi. She seemed like an expert in driving semis and how they can't get around. Lots more women than you. I know she does. She she she put it on me. She's like, semis can't get around there. And I'm like, well, I didn't o she realized she went o school. But yeah, somebody everybody's got anpinion. So and we've had one study done already by Joe. Right. Traffic study. Yes. Complete one on that one. Yes. What will the dimensions be compared to the current roundabout we have off of Lakeport? Oh considerably larger. And that's. I think that's my point, Gordon, is

that everybody's mindset is what we currently have. And when I get calls and when I explain to them that the design is going to be much larger, that seems to pacify some of the concern. But there's still a general concern that roundabouts aren't safe. But the dimensions I've explained are significantly bigger than the slip lane that's there. They're talking about all that good stuff. So I'm open minded, I'm open minded. Roundabouts can be safer. But dollars, you know, this the one that we're proposing will be similar in size, if not bigger than the ones up in Worthington, right there on the 60, right near the interstate. It's a very similar semi. A yep, they'll have a tracking. Well, so does our little one too. In fact, I followed a semi through our little one there a couple of weeks ago and it went through fine. It didn't tip over. Nobody died. Change is hard for people, so it is. Thanks, Gordon. Project 519263. Annual undersized water main replacement c I p. Page 398. Report page 39. How many of the 26 haven't bid yet? Of these undersized water mains? Yeah, none. They're all in one project and they'll be coming out here next couple of weeks, I think. I think that's on our next page. Next memos. Funny you say that, Mr. Mayor. I do

listen and appreciate your comments, because I was going to make a motion later that we give direction that for for, for for summer work that the bids go out in October, November, December and give them specific direction. Let's just get it on the books and say that's what we got to have. And, and I agree it's there's some real savings there, but I also understand the workload, but it's, you know, you know what I mean. So we'll do that later. We can start that in our team meeting. Sure. Project 539217 utility lining improvements c I p page 416. Report page 42. I had 408. In my list of things that didn't make it. I don't know why, but I wrote on my pages everything that came up and I don't. I still struggle that that lead and copper rule that this is a city problem. It's next year and we're going to bond to replace water, water line. I'm talking the water line, the copper led LED lines project 519273 lead and copper rule improvements C I p page 4080 okay. I know, but we're going past it and I don't want to go past. I don't see that first place. It's an overreach by the federal government by far. Let your water run 30s before you take a drink. That's that's a solution to lead pipes. So instead of spending a million

and a half dollars of water revenue. What am I missing? Brad Pitt's utilities director. I don't think you're missing anything. Just we're required by law to do it so well. Once again, though, we have an administration that's not really into the EPA, right or wrong. And we're going to be the first guys out. We're going to show the rest of the state how to do it. I don't want to be the first guy out. Every time Des Moines is starting a project, we've been in contact with them. They're doing something very similar to what we're doing right now. So to set the stage for this, the rule hasn't officially started. So the rule officially starts in 27, right. But in order for us to get the 6500 lines ish completed within ten years, I think it's advantageous for the city to start this process now. No, it's I'm not saying we have to, but it's going to be you know, there's going to be some learning curves on our end to where, you know, things can change drastically between one project and the next. But what, what's what is dramatic about running a new water line to a guy's house? That is, I can't give you the exact address, but interestingly enough, we have one right now where a home had a leak in their replacing the lead service line because of that leak on a lead service line replacement, typically nothing. But the last I heard, they were on day five of trying to get this lead line replaced. Certainly not saying that that's every circumstance because it's not. But there are circumstances such as that that are going to add to the time to get some of these completed. Should I say everyone? Should it be a one day project, two

day project? You're indicating five days. One day. Yeah. You dig a hole and you you walk into the house and you pull the you run a string and you pull the. That's strange. Well, I think this this property also has, what, three terraces in the front and it's a one off. I it is. Well, there's, there's quite a few in Sioux City, especially in the area where MidAmerica does it every day with gas lines the exact same way every day they do those lines. If your request is for us to wait until the rule starts to do any projects, we certainly can do that. We haven't done anything other than apply for SRF funding at this point. Brad, when does the money hit? When is that? When would it hit? That's the key. I mean, I don't think we should. I'm with you, Mr. Mayor. I don't think we should start because things are changing on the EPA side of it. But I also, until we have money in the bank, I don't know if we want to do anything either, because you can't reimburse, can we? If we do reimburse the contractors, it's going to be out of our and we're going to wait for the money. The project would have to go negative. Yeah. Money doesn't hit until we apply for the construction loan and construction starts. But again, why is that my responsibility to replace your water line? Why is that my job? Because federal law says that it's the city's responsibility to replace the line, not the homeowner's. I'd like that. See that law? Because I don't think I can legally. I don't think that would stand a court. That's the case. Then you should be replacing everybody's. Whenever there's a break, your job to furnish water. Arclight furnishes cable TV, Metrolink furnishes. We can we can certainly put the brakes on all of it. Like I say, it's not. The rule hasn't started. We're just trying to get a head start on. Trying to learn what the process is going to be like. What's official law says that we have to replace what day? Yes, what month I that's the

first time you've said that. I'm sorry I've asked that. Why are we not charging the homeowner? I've asked that question before, and I think in the previous hearing we asked that question. You know, it's a council direction as to whether how we want to proceed with the funding portion of this project. There's a part of that that that as a homeowner that I mean, they have to allow that too, right? Yeah. Whether it's through whether it's through an easement or right of entry, the homeowner has to allow us to go on their property for the project, fine us three times and then they're out. Right. That is correct requirement. So if they choose not to do it, that's up to them. We have to request it three times. They have to decline us three times and then we move along. Yes, we have to monitor and they'll get a letter every year stating that they still have a an active lead service line. It is still an option for us to allocate that expense to the homeowner. It doesn't have to be a city expense. Right. But let's look at who these homeowners are, where these homes are located. They're in our neighborhood. They're in the oldest neighborhoods, probably the most financially disadvantaged. Yeah, absolutely. We have we have the inventory. That was one of the first requirements for the for the new law is to put together an inventory. We have that inventory for all known lead service line, unknown lines. That's another portion of the project is that any of the unknowns we have to verify before we can do the project. So in that in this current project, there's 360 excavation, exploratory excavations that go along with this 1.4 that we put in intended use plan for. So, so with that, with with knowing who those are, have we at least attempted to just ask if they would be willing to do that? We haven't done any of that yet.

They've all been notified twice now that they're on the list. But we have not done any requesting for right of entry, and we wouldn't do so until we get, you know, we're ready to go on the project. Do we have an estimated cost of what that looks like for those? What did you say 360 or. Well, for 137 homes for replacement and 360 exploratory excavations, we applied for roughly 1.5 million in SRF funds. It's been a lot of money when you get 6500, and we've talked about this in the team meetings, that's I just don't know how we can do that. Do this, and the first 130 are going to get it. Then we're going to figure out how really expensive it's going to get. And then those people after that are not going to get it. So we're going to have that deal to live with. So our intent was not to move forward with this project without direction on how to, you know, whether the city is going to be responsible for all of the funds or not. So none of this is moving forward until we receive direction on that. I guess, as a minimum, I think I agree with you that we wait till at least we get through the day starting. And at that point we have a discussion around a fixed rate. If we bid this out or, you know, we do sections or whatever, the contract fixed rate type stuff. November of 27. Yeah, I think kick it down the road, see if it actually comes to fruition. We do plan on having meetings with contractors about this prior to bidding out anything or doing anything, just to get their thoughts on it, how they'd like to see it bid out, so forth. I think they said that the estimate is what, 8500 a shot. And I think the real world number on is probably closer to five just for just for information. That's what I mean. Just for everyone's information, Des Moines bid their first project. It was 400

homes and it was substantially more. They they got government money. I understand they got two bids. The low bid was ten seven per home and the high bid was 18 five per home. I don't want to go into this just telling you that it's going to be $8,500 when it could be lower and it could be higher. You have that information, but your Benchmark's $8,500. Yeah. That number is based on projects that have been completed in the state of Iowa already 20 million bucks. And we've replaced with our reconstruction projects or water main projects. When they're on the list, we go ahead and replace them with that project. And we've gotten costs from that too as well. So that's marked that's. Something you can compare over there, but those will always be cheaper because they got the main line. I mean that's what they bid. They don't. Well, I think the other side of that is, you know, when we look at the health consciousness of, of, of Iowa and Sioux City, that we have to take a look at all of that. You need a motion or anything to pull that out. I want to move it and push it to 28. Yes, we need a motion. I'll make that motion. Is that right, Mr. Mayor? You want to be. Well, you can leave it, but. But don't do anything. I mean, if that's our F funds, you don't draw on those until you start the project. If you can, if you can hold drawing on the funds. And we're under no legal, you know, not till 27. No. That's correct. The only question that I would have for state revolving fund is once we apply for the project, we have three years to complete it. We haven't done anything. We haven't applied for a construction loan. So I just want to verify that we're not on the hook for we can't get that done just because we put

the intended use plan up for approval. So that's all. And then on the exploratory excavations, which we have to get done, I mean, at least that way it's going to give us an inventory of the unknowns so we can add them or subtract them from the original list. Would council allow us to move forward with those 360 exploratory and just forgo, sorry, forgo the the replacements of 137 homes. I like you, brother, but I'm kind of a no on that. I think we I think we need to though because then we know. But if the whole thing gets scrapped then we're just digging holes for no reason. I'm okay with either. I just want to make sure. I mean, either way. Either way, I just think we're looking at spring of 28 before we do anything right. Yeah. Even if we could have everything ready to go and still if we're waiting until November, there is no construction taking place until spring. That's what I mean. Have everything ready to go in November of 27 with the trigger of spring of 28. Yeah. That would be my preference. I'm just saying that. So we're pulling everything except for what? That 323 well, the state revolving funds are there. I guess he's asking for direction on when he about the application when you want to apply for it because you're on the intended use plan. So you have to, but you still have to do your application, right? Yeah. So for the exploratory, the environmental review received a categorical exclusion. I think the intended use plan has been approved. But none of that means anything. It's just there and it's ready to go until we apply for the construction loan. So he's asking when to apply for the construction loan. But the exploratory is part of that, correct? Yes. So he'd have to put an application in. So your

your giving direction, November of 27 is when you want to start or you want the. So you'd have to put it in for the, I guess September and have the conversation before he puts it in. Yeah, yeah. That's fine. Yeah. So we don't really need to do anything. The funding that's there until he does something he'll, he'll bring it here for approval anyways for the application. So SRF four times a year. Yeah. Okay. So he'll get that would work if you got it in September for November and then start in spring. Yep. Okay. So continue with the environmental review and when it's done, it'll get put on the on the PL. So it'll, it should be there. We may get a whole new direction from the government. You just never know. I mean that's wishful thinking. Good job. I like the way you're thinking but it's wishful thinking. That's what's happening in today's world. So just being real. Good luck. I'll get you that information. Thank you. Thanks. Project 539217. Utility lining improvements c I p. Page 416. Report page 42. I think I asked this one because the lining came in much cheaper than the right, and we took that remaining money to go forward to the design of the. Design of what the Floyd River flood mitigation in conjunction with the ballparks. Yes. All right. Project 859006 with Information service upgrade C I p. Page 434. Always good to see you, Mr.

Malloy. Always a pleasure. Mayor John Malloy, I t. Hi, John. Greg, as I shared at the previous CIP hearing, there's been an upheaval in the data center, data center, data center, infrastructure upgrades, a lot of pricing increases. And just to give an example, the last laptops that the council approved, we went in with a 15% increase on those laptops. And by the time we cut the p o from council approval, it went up another 15%. What was the first number? 15%? We there was a price premium of 15% from previous orders. And then it went up from the time council approved it to the time we cut. It went up another 15%. CDW is putting a disclaimer on their quotes now that say they're going to pass along any price increases. They're not guaranteeing their quotes. So HP has announced that they're having price increases April 1st and May 1st guaranteed. So that's what we're looking at. It's crazy. And we're selling the old ones. Yeah. When we turn them in. Yes. I'd like to give Michelle, how do you clean off a computer? Just take it out the hard drive out and smash it with a sledgehammer, or what do we do? I think I saw that in a movie once. Office space. Maybe it was a printer, but I got to get rid of some. I was wondering if that was the proper technique. Yeah, I like to get a video of that, but ours are wiped before their. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why we brought that back. No questions for me. Thanks, John. Thanks, guys. Engineering Projects

Report, page 43. This was the part, Mr. Mayor, I was going to talk about the bidding process, the timing of it. That's where this would be more appropriate to give direction. I. Gordon, what would stop us from doing the bids in November or December? Is there a specific I mean, is there a reason just curious. No, not not just curious. No, I know just timing to get these projects bid out at that time period. A lot of planning ahead where a lot of our summertime work is very busy with the projects that are being built at that time, where in the winter months we get, we buckle down and do the design and prep for these projects. A lot of them, a lot of times, some of them are late this year, some. And that happens from time to time. I've got to new guy on staff that not up to speed yet. So these things happen and other things come up. We've had a lot of emergency ones this past fall that slowed us down. So yeah, forbidding. Yeah. But here's a classic for me, the Nebraska water main, we've been doing the Nebraska street water main now for a lot of years. And if you started the Nebraska water water main project, if you started it, because you can start that it's under paving, the frost isn't in the ground. They should be starting that now. True. A lot of this has got to do with funding too. Disrupts the whole downtown throughout the summer. That's the that's the kind of project that irritates me that we don't bid that project and

you don't even engineer it. Somebody else does that. We don't start a project like that and bid it in December for a March 1st start, because there's a lot of prep even get it before you start laying pipe. That's true. Just those businesses get to live with that all summer. I don't know what's better, but I would think they would sooner live with it in the winter. Summer. So I just don't know why. When you have a major project like that and you're using an outside consultant, they can't get that work done faster. Those are the type projects I'm talking about these big projects when guys are sitting in their office with no work, wondering if they're going to have any next year, the price on that. If you were to bid that in December, I guarantee you 15% cheaper, it's going to be when we bid it next month. But I say it every year and every year we do the exact same thing. Why do we put teeth behind it? What do you want to do? Because I agree. That's I mean, you want these guys, they love these type of things to put backlog on their books really early. So I mean, so what's what's the solution that we can you know Gordon we what you tell us. Well, the Nebraska one there actually is ahead of schedule by a few months but June, June. No, it's supposed to go next year. Okay. But you've still got a June start on it, right. I reading that right. Yes. Yeah. Why would you have a June start? Push it. Fine with that. We push it. It doesn't affect us. I mean it's actually a. It's actually going to be conflicting with eighth Street so we can push it. The eighth Street reconstruction, we were trying to time it so that when the eighth Street is

done in that location, that this one would be coming up to that location, eighth Street in Nebraska. I don't know, June start date on a major project. A lot of things can go wrong in downtown. We can. Doesn't mean like I could push it till next year. I mean next year. This month. Then I'm sorry. What next year to begin in March? Construction. If you push this a year. Oh yeah. I can push it to March of next year. So it starts in March. Yep. Just want to clarify, that's a FY 28 funded project. Right? Right. But I'm looking at it. We swapped dates on these big swap with three seven. We don't have the years. We just have months in front of us. Right. But I'm just saying big ones are in April and May and that doesn't make sense to me. It never has updated. It's just like we don't talk to contractors and say, what would what would work best for you? That's all I'm saying, I don't know. I know that they're all scrambling for work right now. You had you had about eight bids on a little $160,000 job the other day. Was that tell you they got we got one. We even got one from Omaha. We even got one from Omaha. Yeah. What does that tell you they want scrambling everywhere. They're not able to get. All right. What do you want to do about this, Gordon? What's your committee? But I wish you guys would insist they move these bid lettings. We can. Get moving some of these up. Not obviously this year. I mean, we can't do it now, but this next following year we can. So next year we're sitting here and mayor is going to be praising that we got all the praise in the process that we got all these out early, right. He gets

that done. He'll get an attaboy. Because I've been hammering this ever. I'd like to hear an attaboy. Those are fun, Gordon. You got it. If not, you lose a finger. Tom's taking notes out there, I can see. All right, boss, see you next year. Stormwater fund report, page 44. Well, Lord knows I'm the last guy to want a rate increase. But we're not going to be able to do. I mean, that Bacon Creek thing is going to be terribly, terribly expensive. And the one thing about stormwater utility funds that my friends in the nonprofit world won't like, but they get to pay for that too, right? Hospitals get to pay for it. Churches get to pay for it. Parks get to pay for it. Everybody gets to pay for it. I think that's an equitable way to spread it. Yeah, because everyone uses it. Even our tax exempt entities. So, Mr. Mayor, you saw the recommendation was two. But I like I I'm with you. I like the number one for a reason. It's the big bite and it covers it's it doesn't leave anything out. And number two, if we go this route, if we don't go this route, I believe of option one, it's going to take away our ability to bond. Is that right Theresa for t o bonds. So we we literally have to look at it through two different lenses. We can't do the overlay programs. We can't do any concrete infill. We really can't do any infrastructure if we don't go to like an option one, the rate if not, it's going to go to the geo bonds. So to me, we can put all the options out in front of us. We want. But from a simple math and from we give up all infrastructure projects. If we don't do the rate versus the bonds. Is that fair? Theresa. Correct. So even though even

though number two seems less painful, a little bit by by a few bucks, but the reality of it is it also leaves stuff out and it opens the door for other increases. And we dove into this pretty hard, didn't we? We, we really dug deep into this. And that's two years. And I know Julie, you did too. One and done. Yeah, I think I, I like the first option. It stings, but it's one of those ones we just we don't have a choice. This is thrown in our lap. That Bacon Creek fun stuff. Well, this is a classic example where we haven't raised the rates since we implemented. Right. That was when I had a small increase in 2017. Yeah. Outside of that, that's the first rate increase. And I was on the council when they did this. When they first put it in play, we did it for the Perry Creek. Mr. Wharton, I think Creek cast the deciding vote. Was that a 3 to 2 by. Well, it goes back to tiny incremental changes that help keep on things. And to have some funding just are not good at doing that because it's delivering bad news in the eyes of the ratepayers. And it makes more sense to have a small change than it does to have this dropped on everybody. Well, the one thing about it is if you stay the course here and reduce property taxes, but we should be about $111 right now. This is still even raising that. There are going to be 100. They're going to be 50% ahead in their own personal finances, which means a lot to me. I don't know how you do. Did you also see Bob put Mr. Mayor where it puts us in ranking where I think this is the point you're making, isn't it, on the last page with the going rate, if you look on page 46, dig a little deeper on that. We're right now, we're the second lowest. This thing should have been ticking up for years. Yeah.

And now, and really, if we, if we, if we take the increase, it puts us fourth, which is about the size of our city. I mean, it kind of lines us up where we need to be. I mean, theoretically, this should have been done by councils before and it's okay. But this this puts us in line of where we really should be. And it doesn't affect our geo or our bonding. That's the bigger thing to me. And it's done is what it is. It's one time, rip the scab off and move on. And to your point, we it should have been gradual through the years and we wouldn't be dealing with this issue. But we are. Yeah. Which is what happened to our wastewater. Yeah. Second lowest, second highest for loads. So it put us in a hole and we never had increases along. Well, you can kind of roll that into the same argument we had the other week on the garbage cans. The second container. I mean, the reality of it is, is we can be buying that down. I mean, if we play our cards right in the next few years, I mean, we can actually take that, that downward spiral on the the garbage rates should have been done. So it's we're all thinking the right thing, in my opinion. So you're looking for a motion on that. We need a motion and we need to know if you want it to be immediate or gradual increases. I'd like the motion option one for immediate. Let's get this paid for. Rayford. I Shaner I Scott I only because I don't see any other way to do these major projects right. Berenstein. Yeah, I with reluctance because there's just no other choice. Bertrand this would be a good spot to vote no and look like a hero. Wouldn't it be a great spot? I passes five zero. Okay, we'll move on to the CIP technical changes. That was my role project 663162. Good vote guys. That's a

Southbridge rail. Updating the work plan to 25,000 in FY 26, 15,000 in FY 27 through 30 and 75,000 in FY 2031, all utilizing the current project balance. C I p page 80. Report page 47. Project 663311 southeast development adding 100,000. Transfer in sewer in FY 20 7CIP. Page 108. Project 728012. Annual parking ramp repairs. Removing the 25,000 for meter replacement and reprograming as annual ramp maintenance. P I p page 144 and a memo was provided on report page 48. I do want to give a little information on this. We have met Tiffany and I have both met with downtown partners and brought together the business community. During that meeting with Reagan from Downtown Partners, we determined that it was important for us to send a survey out to the businesses. So that survey has been out. As of now, they have received survey results. Reagan just provided them yesterday, and it does appear that the majority of the respondents are opposed to removing the coin payments. So 63% of the these those surveyed downtown would like to remain with the coin option. And Reagan can speak to that more too. Sure. Thank you. Reagan. Cody. Downtown partners. We received 99 survey results from downtown businesses and we were. I think we were all a little shocked at the results. Most of them do want to keep coins in those high traffic areas, which is the center of

downtown. So Tiffany I met yesterday, identified about 14 blocks along the outskirts of downtown where those could be removed and Park Mobile only. They also really appreciated the fact that we could add more stalls, which increases the revenue by adding more parking stalls in downtown. So we looked at Pierce and Nebraska streets on the right hand side of the street, going from parallel to diagonal, which would reduce the three lanes to two. This is a big project and big kind of thoughts behind it, but that does add almost triples the parking in that area. And those areas could be Park Mobile. So we wouldn't have any meter costs either. And what was that corridor again? Reagan. What's that? What was that corridor to reduce the three. It would be Nebraska. It'd be third Street to roughly sixth. And then Pierce Street would go from eighth. You do a right turn lane down to third where it releases into the interstate. Have a big demand there. Yes. Yeah. Those businesses were very, very vocal about having more parking. And a lot of them on those streets were open to Park Mobile only. But the other side of the street would remain coin. So you would have that option in those areas as well. So it's going to be a hybrid really. Yeah, yeah. But there are about 14 blocks where you could get rid of meters. Well sorry. Go ahead. Well Bob's point is always what if I'm an old lady? Old man, I don't have a, you know, smartphone, etc. the hybrid offers both absolutely have in your mind, these are still coin meters. I you know. Yes. Yeah. The coin remains in the core of downtown where you're doing business and some other things. Those outskirts are really liars where we juston d't see the activity. The coins aren't even being collected in those areas for the record. But yeah, the usage is very, very low on the the areas wede intified. I like it when I travel and you know, ifou y're going to park rental QR code, boom,ou y're done. Yep. Agreed. I would have thought they're small steps. I was going to say baby steps. That

was a lotor f everybody to digest. But the results came back well. So you know, is it the training for p theublic is going to be immediately. I mean they'veea alrdy started right now, right. Oh yeah. We've been using for a while. Soue I gss I look at it and go from from a biggertu picre when you start talking about the original plan was to leavem thedown. Douglas, wasn't it? That was option three. Yeah. That's what we initially discussed. Eliminates about 1100 meters. So In, mea that was before we did the survey. Yes, I agree,he but t learning curve is going to be the learning curve either way. Yeah. g And Iuess I guess I'm going to loseis on th one, which is fine. But I just want to makent a poi that anytime you make change, sometimes you just. I see you're smiling, you know, because, you know, I'm not saying I'm right,'m but I right. Anytime you make change, sometimes you just. You just doit and you. And that's kind f my feeling on this one. I like theas Dougl part of it for the people that are doing that business in that area. But it also frees upin an FTE to kind of we talked about from a from an downtow ambassador type stuff. It f reallyrees up stuff. So I just think by limping in, this is classic Sioux City that we limp into something versus this is thought out. You know, we know we're going to header the. And you know, we there's a hybrid is Douglas Street.t' Les make the move from a budgeting and from an efficiency and everything else, more parking,g everythin and do it. And I would say I lose, but It' think thas just my opinion. I was 100% behind you before thisme survey ca out. I thought ripping off the band aid and they all started with the app. A good 60% of our peopleth use e app. Let's just let's go at it and do it.su But this rvey really did show that businesses are going toce have conrns about that. Do you have a map of the survey? I do, I mean, I do I'd be curious to see what perimeter t was part ofhat 63 yeah, I'm sure you looked. I wouldto be curious see that move forward. So I'm going to supportof either one it. I just this is a point I just want to make. I just think this is one of those classicCi Sioux ty deals where people want

change. Yep. But and I thinkro this pvides a good mix. It's a good anything else. But yeah,p we canrovide that map later. If you don't want to make a decision today, that's up to you. And I would ask forn directioat that time. If you want us to do a presentation,ri we can bng a presentation like that. Yeah. Okay. Let's do that. b Yeah. Becauseecause option four is in line with the survey results, right? Yes. Tiffany Clayborn parking and skywalk Manager but yes, that includedal that. But it so included some free parking in the outskirts of Sioux City.And I think it was e heard in theng council meeti that we would just go park mobile rather than going free parking. But that was an option for. Right.th And, and with at survey, we did find that wecould have some adl revenue, 2 right. Is that6,000 or something?t Was it plus tha FTE increase in those parking spaces as well? Well,in if we dd the survey, there was discussion on increasing the number of parking spaces, which would be another item that we would. have to discussAnd yes, you're right, that would increase revenue because s the parkingpace would go up.on And did we csider the expense ofar adding the pking spaces, changing thes stripes? That wa all based on the survey that just happened. So we don't have we don't know. That's why we just don't know yet. That's whyI wanted to do . So it's going. to be significant I'd like to see that come back. And yeah, t we're kind of inhe process of a lot of different things.s So it might take ua little bit of time to getwo tha. So that uld be helpful. So we could do a presentation,do work with Gorn and figure out what that would look like. I t need a motiono bring this back real quick on the survey. Did what's the time frame for implementation? If we were to do option A, that's that'sng the bigger thi. Was that shared? I mean, isn't it like a two year implementation? No we didn't really for the survey itself. How long was 11m yougot to do. I m, there's an implementation process that I mean, maybe i we're not takingnto consideration the public's not taking the business owners. Oh, right. If we remove them, it'lltake us a peo remove tm and put in the park. Yeah. But wedi can always get rection at any time to do

that. It doesn't have to happen today. Yeah. Overall theyrequested. Od was if it matter, if it was over time or if ito was immediate. Sone of those is over time would be best.. So they have time And I think if we do a portione of meters, just th new we received a new cap that I ordered and I got a sample of it. It would be prettyld simple. I mean, we wou take a meter head off, we wouldS put the cap aside.o that part of it, I think wees can do a little ls expensive. And pretty quickly the meter post t will. Yes, all ofhem will stay there. So we would keepau the meter post becse what we would also be losing if we,er if we pull the met post, we're going to lose the revenue t from the bag metershat we take from all of the construction,if which is pretty signicant. So if we lose that, we had talkedes about putting a fram, we talked about putting some cones, but we know those are going to get stolen. I mean they're not going to stay. There could be damage. Yeah. Take them out. Yeah. Eachhe post will stay. The ad will change. Yes. How much was that. They're going to give us the signs for free. And the attachmentk is only $8. And I thin$0.40 per per meter stand. So less than what we. Yeah.Signifo attachment was an optn at the time the memo was put out.o I'm looking forward t seeing how this goes. So yeah, older. Yeah, totally.Mi Yeah. I'll work with ke and get thee information. And oncit's available, we'll come back for a presentation hopefully in the next month or so. Great.Pr Thank you, thank y. ojectly 459102 long lines famith rec center. Increasing e beam and ceiling repairs by g 200,000 and increasingeneral obligation bonds. C I p, page 197. Project 195052in capital equipment. Increasg the armored vehicleds to 405,000 additional fun havein been

transferred, increasg the project balance available. C I p page 226. I got a question on this. Ill still struggle. First of a, I struggle. t And again I say this andhen something will happen to ak police officr and I'll looreally stupid. But I'm h with you, mayor. The countyas one of h these. The chances of usaving anld incident where we both wou need this vehicle at the same time, are probably not very likely. I just don't understand. I just I can't vote for thi And it's note that I don't want your polic to have protection, but I think thesh county has one and can furni it when weou need it. That's the way it shld work. We should share these type of assets. I mean, howmanye other vehicle last year? Thr. The the the caiman, the Mrap. Yeah. Multiple times. I'd like a number I can find out for you, mayor. I don't know the exact deployments because I just Imeag and a tining center is more important today. i You know, whn you think aboutt, that'sha what was a terrible place to ve that training center. I knowow e got a grant, but you lose. H many hours of police time just driving back and forth? It should be.g It should have been in the buildin across the alley. Weg should have bought that buildin and never soldha that building. And we should ve remodeled it because it has elevators that will take a car up and down. I even thinking there's a c big elevat. I know that, and youould have stored ayo lot of even on the main floor, u could have stored a loto of cars in there that you have t I don't disagree, I think we, I think our training was centralized. We'd be in better shape because

I just,, I think to me that if you have toif I have toat prioritize your department, th disaster down there, we found out the disaster and and we needit to get you a modern training facily. And we've been having discussions as a senior leadership team about that.ay We talked about that the other d in department head as to what our options were and how we could move a forward and as a shared asset as fars that training center goes, because we think there's other departments within the city whoi could who could use facilities ke that. And so how would we share a city facility regarding the the armored vehicle? You know, it's one of those things that you wish you didn't need. But we have had past incidents that have convinced us that one of these is not enough. We use three armorede. vehicles in the incident in Hornick. W We'd like to think that we can countt it out last time we needed it on West Thirdt' recently, and we appreciate that. But is one vehicle and it's notil our asse. There are times when we wl v probably, you know, if we had thatehicle, we'd deploy it and we'd also ask the county and the state patrol for their assistance. It's not just, you know, it's noteh just a bullet stopper, it's a rescue vicle. It's somethingbo that if there's an incident in a neighrhood, it provides a backstop and, you know, protecting other residents. This is something that we've made the Mrap work. It was never o designed for tha. It was designed to runver mines. So we've made that work and for a lot ofat years, and we just think it's time to upde to something that will provide adequate protection and cannavis in a way that that Mrap can't. So it's, we're just advocating fort equipment that we probably are long pasdue and having somethingd purpose built for that. And those are sharen assets. The county might call us eve with theirs and say,

please bring yours. We have an incident and weTh willingly go and we willingly do that. at's what we do in the area as far as law enforcement isri very collaborative environment with the t state area, and we've never said no to any of our partners that need assistance. I, you know,th I've kind of twirled around on this, is item as well. And, and I struggle with it as well. And, you know, we've talked about other things and I don't know if the other LP would fall up under CIP or not at some point, because I know that, you know, you know, whether we get a grant and then there's some ongoing funds that, that that will need, need to be. And so this one is a,an is a, is a struggle for me to, you know, d I remember, I think you said that, you know, when we did use it, we had three vehicles or the state, the county as well there. And,or and I share the same sentiment as the may. You know,, I'll say this and then something will happenf knock on wood and, you know, I'll hate mysel for it.hi But right now I just struggle with with ts, this expense and this, this. And we're not known for frivolous asks. And if n we didn't feel that this ws an asset that the cityeeded, and just the last several years have convincede me, I mean, I think that's why I advanced it th last several years of the things that we've had to deal with in the community. This convinced me that this was an asset that we we had to make the ask. And and granted, yes, there are area agencies that have them. There are noe guarantees. And quite honestly, in most of thes w incidents where I foresee us deploying this, weould ask for those area agencies also to come. We'd ask Woodbury, would you bring yours also? It's not do it. And they would. I believe theys would. Yeah, I believe

they would. But I think that' an asset. It's like patrol cars and just have one. And I think this is an asset that if the need arises, we're going to ask our partners to bring theirs. What's the process of getting this equipment? This is it a special order? Is it a special order? In fact, this is this is a this is a little lower. A There's a higher end version. We declined that.nd weid went with the same spec that Woodbury County d in requesting this so that we have similarof vehicle that they do, but we didn't ask for the top the line. One, you spec it out, you order it.ou And I think it's about an 18 month turnaround for y to get that. So they build it for you. They purpose build it for the agency that orders it. This might be a naive question. Are there used ones that can be obtained for less money? You know we've tried that. I don't know that. I don't know that theon I think we've looked into the used market. And I d't know that the price point, there's there's a lack ofva them. For oe thing, it's not like they're readily ailable. But I think the price point was significantly different than ant was going to be lower, but they're an aet g that, you know, people are going to let go of them andet a newer one. You're going to get all you can for that vehicle. But that's not as they will do some refurbished. I think Lenco will do a refurbished occasionally. I think the agencies will turntd of do an update. I don't know what that looks like, but I believe they will accept from agencies that have them older models, which they will then at times resell. But and we did look into that at one time. I feel like it's worth revisiting if we could. Chief, are you opposed to using more of your asset forfeiture money? No, I

think we committed 50,000 to that. Yeah, Ie know, but I'm asking. You have more than that in there. W do. And you know, that's it's one of those things that I think Theresa knows this. We've been veryy frequently used asset forfeiture for needs. You obviousl can't supplant a budget with that. It's for improvements. And so she's aware of how often we've gone into that till to buy things, everything fromt drones to personal equipment for the officers that we didn' have, that we saw compelling need for. But it's not an endless pit. So we try to be careful about that because there may become t a ned outside the budget cycle where the department needshis nowl and that those funds are there. But I think Theresa will tel you, we haven't been shy about using those funds forow department improvements. What's the balance? Theresa right n has about 224,000 -50 -50 because we haven't taken the 50 yet. That transfer hasn't occurred yet. Roughly 175 available forfeiture funds. And they do use them periodically as software expenses or items come up that they. Yep. How much are they using annually? Can you see that at a glance or know that just pulling out of there. No they don't they don't have a set amount. It's just based on their needs really. So. Well, I guess I would move that they spend 75,000 more of that. And we reduce the general obligations by that amount. So they pitch in 125, 1325 total. That still leaves them almost 100 grand. And I would hope and this is going to sound petty, but there are people that don't believe our police department

need this vehicle. I understand that I would hope that this doesn't become our first parade item once we get it, because I think half the people in this community are not really open to the idea of making our police department look more like a military organization. So. Well, quite honestly, Bob, this is so that we don't look like that, that Mrap massive military. I'm just saying I get it. Get your Corvette back or something like that. I'm okay with, but I, I don't think he was going to put that in the parade. You should have seen his face when you mentioned it. No, I was I was happy to give that out that I guarantee you that happens. And that's a concern of mine. Let's let's keep it for its intended purpose and use it only for. That is what I'm saying. No, that's absolutely. Mr. Mayor. That's absolutely what we're talking about. And and had we not gone through the last several years in the in the way that we had and faced the things that we had this, you know, you try to make what you have work. And this became, in my opinion, a compelling need over the last several years. And we think it's an important thing to have. We don't have anything bulletproof besides that, that Mrapis squad cars don't have armored doors. What's the official name of th new Lenco? Bearcat? Glencoe. Lynn. Glencoe. Lenco Bearcat. Is there a second to my motion? Second. Shaner I, Scott Berenstein. I want to make sure I'm clear on the motion. What's the motion? The motion is to increase the asset forfeiture. I just want to make sure. 75,000 to a total of 125. I wanted to make sure it wasn't

to eliminate. Okay. I, Bertrand Rayford know, passes for one. Project. 173019 Outer Drive, North Floyd River drainage mitigation, removing the FY 2028 work plan and funding and moving FY 2029 work plan and funding into FY 2028. C I p page 250. And what are we doing here? Yep, it doesn't impact this year's project. 549198 South Lewis Boulevard and U p railroad drainage ditch. Removing the FY 2031 work plan, adding 360,000 transfer in stormwater in FY 2027 2,090,000 stormwater abated bonds in FY 28 and 250,000 in reimbursement of costs in FY 28, 29 and 30 C I p page 282. Report page 52. We do have a change to that one that just came in last night. We heard we heard from Sergeant Bluff and they are only willing to participate with 300,000 total. There is a reason behind that that they gave is that, you know, if they decided to go at that and try and solve their problem for Sergeant Bluff, they feel their cost is about 300,000. So if they could participate in this project to solve their problem, they would give 300,000. Do we? It still

doesn't solve our issue. Then if they go at it alone, do we agree with that number? I don't personally, professionally, I don't know. It's a $3 million price tag. Yes, it's quite expensive. There's a to drain that whole area. Of course that's with that. But that opens up the project and opens up the zoo property. Property. Yes, it does both. They really can't. Neither one of those properties or a few others too, can't really do much because they'd have to put in retention as opposed to detention. And it's it's a wet area. So what is it? What is it programed right now? Is it designed in 27 and then construction 28 or is it 28 and 29. It was designed in 27 with construction in 28. How much is the design? 360,000. 360 and then right. There's a lot of permit. It's going to take a year for the design because of the permitting with the railroad and Mid-American. Mid-American got a a transmission main transmission line that's buried in the railroad right away. So we have to pay to move that. So we have to pay them to redesign it. Mr. mayor, what's your direction on what is your what is your t gut on this one? You've been around since that zoo properties probably haunted you morehan what comes up. So what's your thought on this? Actually, I mean genuine. I want to a know what your Bob before you answer. Well spent or not. I don't know, Bob. Before younswer, let me. So in your in the memo you say, Sergeant Bluff states that the distribution of stormwater will be 25% of Sergeant Bluff and 75% of the city, due to them requiring the brickyard to retain their storm flows. So is it your belief that they're. They ought to be closer to a million and a half? A million and a quarter. Yes. Somewhere

in that vicinity. Okay. Thanks. The engineer study says that 49% of the water that comes down in that area is attributed to properties in their jurisdiction, which I even thought was high. But I'm not a hydrologists, so assuming that they think that they could get the brickyard to take care of their own drainage and withhold it, and then it would be closer to 25%. So that's when we proposed. That's where the seven 7750. Well, then they discussed it with their council and the council says no. Is there something else you can do? So, so based on this new information that will increase the amount in 28 by $450,000 for Geo stormwater abated. Geo. They asked today is just to move the design to 27, right? Correct. And what was that number, Teresa $450,000 increased. It does. It does change the work plan. Just verifying in future years. But yes, the design is what we're asking for you to move to 27 for funding this year. It was 400 though right? No. So and yeah. Oh in the book. Yeah. Yep. Retention ponds are actually lakes. That's what Green Valley has. Yes. Green Valley is kind of like the breakpoint to that kind of flows to the north end. But you won't we. We could acquire property next to Green Valley and make it even more attractive on that one hole that I don't know. I get confused on that course now. It's either two or 11 or 10. There is a small lake on hole number one by the tee box. On two I mean lakes. Add to the

beauty of a golf course. You can put a big lake in that area and serve all the fill up above. The only hard part about that is it would be on suspects property. They're the ones. You know what black wants to do if they want to develop their ground, they're paying nothing and their land becomes much more valuable. I know, Mr. Bertrand, I don't always agree on what developers responsibilities are. I'm with you on this one. But lakes add to the beauty of a golf course. Unless you get an errant like I do every time and put one in unless you're hitting that. But the reality is that that would minimize the amount of water you got to push across. I think not just the golf course, but any of the surrounding areas. I know that's what I'm saying, and I think they should donate some ground, and we should build a detention pond cheaper than cheaper than moving Mid-america's primary line. Would the DNR go with that, Bob, for like, let's say, would that open up? Would that open up the zoo property? The same thing as a retention is the same as detention. You just got to build them bigger. You do. But the problem we had because you got to wait. That would qualify. You think do you think that would qualify? Yeah, yeah, we can have retention, I know that, but I'm just saying there's a difference between you can do it. And does it qualify. Yes, it does qualify. I want to get clarity on that. I think we should try it in our code. It's in our code. It's in ours. We can have retention. The problem is it fills up and that's what will happen. That's what I'm saying. Does it actually accomplish what? I like the idea a lot. I really do from a cost perspective because that pipe sucks was extend the hose. You're not going to build a retention pond so big enough you can't clean it out with retention, with a extend a hole once in a while. I mean, you're just not, you're not going to

line it, I would hope because you want the water to go down. No, but it depends on the ground too, right. Some of the ground doesn't perk, right. A lot of it doesn't. That pond that's up next to Chesterman's on the golf course, that one perk very well at all. Yeah. It was it doesn't percolate very well at all. No. Because of the soil down there. But at least they build it big enough that you didn't have to put a big storm sewer in. I don't know, that's a lot of money. And is that a 69 line that runs underground there for the Mid-America? I'm not sure. I don't know what size it is. I just know it's a high voltage transmission main. Well, I bet it's a line that runs out of power and comes up on poles above. Wow. Good luck on that. Yeah, well, that's part of the problem. It's going to be about 700,000. Believe it is. So maybe it's appropriate to kick this out till I get a maybe a, maybe design a concept on a pond and volumes that we need and everything else. I mean, I'd be, I'd before we move forward on even the design phase of this spend the 300. Let's let's have you let's you have you mess around with the pencil while you're in between bids. We could get a report I like. I like that idea. Could you want to pull this out and motion to move it? I'll move that. Let's explore the pond thing. But Mr. Mayor said okay, so you want to go in front of strikers. They've got a lot of ground. You could do the same thing in. We can look into it because I would like to see this council open up the. Finally open up the zoo ground. It would be nice, but we'll need actually property from Sulzbach anyway to get sanitary out. That's what I'm saying. If this be the council to finally open that up and create a really cool development up there, the only thing I would add was if there is another stormwater solution, which would be great. The other concept here was to provide stormwater outlet for the land

behind the old zoo site. The land behind the hill runs into it. Maybe it can run into the same if that's a solution, but it would have to be large enough to do that, right. So just to clarify, the motion on the floor is to move what we've suggested in 27 to 28 and move everything one year out. Correct. With subject to getting a report on the suggested, I would suggest modifications. Withhold some of that though, for the report. Yeah. Okay. We can go faster than slower. I mean, I don't want to hold up a potential that that punch through that they're doing up there. But I'm with Mr. Mayor. I mean they got to spend some money too. But but I also want to drag our feet for a year if we can. Let's just get on it and see what it does. If it doesn't, then let's come back and revisit the money in there for the for 27. Okay. We can I mean, we can leave it as it is right now, and then we can always reevaluate the 28 funding. Let's keep it moving. Okay. So do you need me to withdraw my motion? Yes, I'll withdraw my motion. Okay. Thank you. Project 719379 Gordon Drive, Viaduct, adding 175,000 and FY 28 for esthetic lighting design and 840,000 in FY 29, 840,000 in FY 30 and 820,000 in FY 31. For a static line construction and increasing the geo bonds accordingly. C I p page 335. Our share of it. Yep. This has Julie Shaina's name stamped all over it does. Hey, I've been on the committee since day one. Could be propaganda. Yeah, it probably is. Well, every time there's a project, as you guys learned with the interstate

coming through, you know, it says it's theirs, but. Sure. Okay. Project 519262 water facility SCADA process upgrades. Removing the FY 2027 work plan and transfer in water funding and adding 200,000 to FY 2029. For SCADA upgrades, see IP page 397. Project 519266 water plant, High Service pump and VFD rehabilitation. Moving the FY 2028 $450,000 work plan and transfer in water funding to FY 2027 CIP. Page 402. Project 549133. Annual storm Sewer improvements, adding 1,300,000 in FY 2028 and 1,800,000 in FY 2029 for Pulaski Park storm sewer replacement and increasing the stormwater abated geo bonds accordingly. C I p, page 421. Can we put upon their. What's this? Not the one we just did. Gordon, what page are you on in this sheet here? We're 21. Not on the sheet. It doesn't have a page. No. What

was the item? 32. What is this for? There's no report. Mayor asked what this is for. Oh, it's to replace those pipes that we've been talking about for right now. But we did it already, right? That's for design. Oh, the one that's two separate projects. Yes. Right. The other one is for the up, up upstream up by college. University. That's a water quality project. Yes. Oh, that's that's a sponsored project to do something with or whatever. This one's just to replace the pipe that's in the parking lot and along the south fields that would connect into that storm culvert to nowhere. This. How much money are we talking total? I mean, we're already spending 1,000,006 downstream. This project is growing by the leaps and bounds. Replacing the pipes that are there that need to be replaced. And they're rotted out. No lining or are you going to line them? We looked at at that. It's not really possible on a couple of them. Plus they're undersized. Can't line them then to get by for more years. We've looked into that and they've said no. I've walked inside that pipe. It's pretty bad. Yeah. Would we like to take a break at this time before we move on to operating, please? Yeah, absolutely. We should have at 10:00. That's when those union guys take

breaks. Okay. We will take a break and we will be back by 10:00.

Julie's at Jimmy coming back, I hope. Okay, we'll move on to the operating portion. Administrative services. Discussion of the $1 fee for utility customers. Operating page 68. Report page 55. Okay. Let's just give everybody a chance to get change, okay? Yep. It's 68. Correct. What are we doing? Hang on. So this is the option where we would add a dollar fee for utility customers who still wanted to mail paper paper. And so the net is $324,000 estimate for annual. We can get back towards property. A little louder. 324,000 would be S is the estimated number to reduce property taxes. Finally figured out how to get mine on the computer, but I don't know. Sometimes. I mean, when you're in business, sometimes you have a postage bill. We already got citizens by charging them a credit card fee. I think this is a kind of a double whammy, if you ask me. Is this in the budget? Is this in your proposal in the operating already? Yep, yep. It's currently in the adjustments

already in the operating. Correct. What's that? No, no, the adjustment isn't operating. This is actually it wouldn't be property taxes. It's actually water and sewer funds. Excuse me. So it's a so it doesn't have an impact on the levy. It's water and sewer. No, I know that. But it has an impact on a lot of citizens. Yep. Well, those that select not to. Right. Correct. Well, you'd be surprised that I bet that all of our 27,000 plus customers, I'd easily say 6000 of those don't have computers at home. Sure. And regular postage has increased, you know, since. So I have to do something anyway. I'll make a motion to move it. What? The dollar. Just what we talked about. Do the electronic. It's you know, it syncs up with you know what a lot other municipality companies, private companies do things like that. It's going to be bumpy. There's going to be some outliers. But again this is progress. Second. Scott Berenstein I Bertrand a Rayford, a Shaner A passes for one. Not that it matters, but increases like this are a tax increase whether we call it sewer and water or not. It's costing our citizens more money. So we already got pretty good on stormwater. Now we're going to get them on this. The only pushback I would have, respectfully, is if there's not an option, it's a tax increase. But you have an option here. There is an option if you don't want to pay the buck. If I get your daughter or whoever's going to be to get you set up on the rest of your bills online, it might be time to make that transition. So again,

I agree. When you're trapped, you're trapped. It's like the first container in the garbage. You don't have a choice, but there's a choice here. So point taken. Appreciated. Airport updated 2025 Performance Measures. Operating page 73. Report page 56. These just were not updated in the proposed book, so we brought them back, aware that we've now made the update. Oh 73 operating book. Mike, I know you're in charge of this, but. I don't know what you do about it, but the airport, no matter what we fund. Yeah. So the update for 25 was that was the last year we used the Covid relief funds. That's why it shows a net actually a bottom line positive. But that was only due to Covid funds. So traditionally we have a subsidy at the airport with the number of flights we have today. Yes. No, we're never not going to subsidy to the airport. But. All you have to ask I have to ask the question, running it as efficiently, efficiently as we possibly can. And. I wonder, I think when we restructured five years ago, we we eliminated a position and we're open 21 hours a day out of 24 hours every day of the year. And that's so it's a long stretch to cover. To ask you the same thing we asked the library.

There's nothing here that can be cut. We we have eliminated some things through the process. You know, we talk about getting rid of that leased housing down there. If you ever did this, this thing is going to be a real drain. Because of loss of income from the rentals. Yeah. Hopefully it generates taxes. You know, that make that difference up. Well, yeah, but tax is that it generates I mean, you should be able around an airport, the state ought to be smart enough to collect the taxes around that airport for the operations. You can't use TIF money for operations, but they want airports in our state obviously, because they subsidize them. Why wouldn't you pass an area around an airport that the taxes. We've done a lot of investment in that area. Right. Why would they not allow that? Because it goes in the general fund, which is a big black hole that we've got to figure out how to get it out. So I don't know. Burnaston airport for this tri state area, Barbara. And they contribute nothing to it, but what the heck. So. Hey. Art center memo regarding the endowment contributions. Operating page 88. Report page 58. Barron's Art Center director following the conversation at the budget hearing, I had a conversation with Mr. Colette, which helped

me understand a little bit better some of the confusion about the city side of the budget and the association side of the budget, and then how the endowment fits into all of that. I drafted a memo and worked with Teresa and Sarah to tidy things up and basically lay out the responsibilities of the city and the association, as well as how the budget works. The city funds some things, the association funds others, and in some cases, there's a combo where the association reimburses the city. So I hope that that was helpful in terms of understanding the sort of the overview of the art center budget. We're kind of a confusing little department with how the money works. And then related to that, then went into a little table with the endowment showing how that has been used recently, and how projected to be used in the next year. And I did meet with the endowment managers at the endowment is held by Security National Bank to talk with them about projections of what would happen if we did 5% over the long term versus more traditional 3%. And the projections. I didn't have anything really in mind that I was going to see, but it was more dire than I was expecting. If we maintain the 5% overhe t they did a 20 year projection and thingso g down. So the% 5 is on income, notnc ireased in value on your endowment.f II'm understanding what you're asking, it's%. 5 Would income that's generated as opposed to market value of the assets. It's no it's 5% on the on the balanceth on e three. We use ther yea end balance average of the three previous years to try to moderate thege usa. Yeah.

That also doesn't represent any backfillm fro other donors or anything t intohe endowment. Yeah it I does. mean, there aren't that many donations that go into theme endownt primarily. It, it, it, it'snt accou changes based on the investments. There are occasional relatively small additions to theme endownt per year. So you'reg sayin if we want you to draw that 5%maximum every year, the endowment is going to shrinke th balance, right. They predicted two out d of 5%raw. Right. They projected two differentos scenari, one in which the there's steady growthr ov the years and the other one where it's a little bit more volatile, which is actually a little bit more reflective of, t of whathe market has been over the last ten years or o so andver the, with g steadyrowth, the endowment balance does increase, but it doesn't keep up withat inflion. So the value of the draw would, would be declining relatively slightly. But Todd,d woulit be fair to say that the market has been extremely strong over the last 3 or 4 years?p It was u 18% in the last calendarwa year. It s up double digits two years ago. I think thereou were a cple down years, certainly over years. So how are they curious? So Iok did lo into that because in20 20 in 22, b which was aad year for the market, the endowment lost 15% of its value. It it's only w untile went from December 2021., that level It tookit untl took four years later to get back up to that level. We we matched that because of the good year inwe 2025. So if can get those bign growths, the then there's, there's, is that because it's a relatively conservative investment

strategy. So the peaks and valleys, it's a 70 over 30 split, which I think is, is standard.s But yeah, it' like, yout know, also wen back to 2018 where it lost abouts 10% of it value. So it's, you know, overall, it is growing, but i it's doingt in more fits and starts.ng Obviously growi because in 2027, you, you went up aboutll 400 and you sti paid outs 282. So that'good news. I got a question. When I write a check to the art center, not a, very big one you know that. But when I write one, does thats go into thi fund? Does itsn does it doe't go to the endowment. You keep that money andha only draw wt you need. Right? So that would y just during theear, the association gets either just donations or memberships, class fees, events, sponsorships andof tickets. All that goes into s the general toort the annual general operating budget of the association, including any rental ofta the space that renl spaces generally come back to the city. Okay. Yeah. i So my questions, I'm involved in twon endowments. And wheyou have the negative years or the reverse%, years on, on the 5 which evens it out, wefundraise thats e key. That's, that's the you find the delta and then you say,here's, here'p your,hy your endowment healt. So my question is, is do you guys have that type of setup or is that that'svi a discussion mong forward? Because all we're asking, I think what the taxpayers are asking here is that we loveIt the art center. 's just that we got to kind of balance out a little bit more of, of the, the private and the public contribution.That's it.' support. Yeah, thas that's what we're talking about is

versus, you know, outst of the $44 it cos for every person to walk inwe there, you know, 're pointing up about 30, 35, 36 ofs it. And we just had thi this is a way to balance this'm stuff out. It's I only usingos the FY 25, the mt recently completed actual numbers, and it was about aio 4555 split associatn to city.in So it's, it's certaly not n balanced, but it'sot terribly out of balance.il We still do the buding and everything else.ti Pardon me, but we sll take care of the building and everything.nc Yes. Yeah. Maintenae. Utilities. Yes. Yeah yeah yeah. Those are real costs. Yep.e, Yeah. In terms of th the, theun question about the fdraising for the endowmentrt that for the most pa, we don't do that. We the fundraising that we do throughout the year. And it's exhausting and extensive that is just goes tos all those other dollar that are spent eithery going back to the cit or funding the C activities at the Artsenter. So we didd a few years ago, we dia little bit of fundraisingth towards a new endowment at supports adult programing. We just started using that this year. i And then if you'll seen the ine that little table on th endowment, we are usingex 5% current year and nt year. And that's towards an endowment that I mentioned at a previous meeting that will support majoractivitid starting in028. Thate will my hope is increasf the association's level oet expenditures, hopefully gting it more in line with what the city invests in the art center. Todd, all your your programing comes from your your association. Yes. So the city does none ofri that, right? Just

for clafication, t that does not run throughhe city. So you don't see those expensesid and revenue. That's why I d that for your salary. Every. Yeah. That's why when you look at the budget itea looks so. Salary. Exactly. Yh, I get we I think we get andon you know, this, this whole cversation really clarified just that in part, ife, you're making decisions, you'r you don't have complete information. And I w apologize for that. But we, weill plan on adding o that as a note in the bottomf the budget so that you know, how much is funded by the Art center, as we did for the museum this year, so that it's clear that there's other funding that'sth being put into this facility at isn't the city's booksd. with all this bouncing aroun Just so I got 927. Is that right for thecity's that rig? And they're at about 768. They're at about 768. Ifon you look at what they pay n our books and what they pay us, what did that do for thepere same. We're not quite at a 50. But like he said,ng I think it was like 40 somethi to 60. Is that anng increase from last yer on shari? I'd have to ask him. Ici don't know exactly what the assoation paid less y 24. I can't I don't know the numbers. I know thet percentage was less balanced. Iwas itot was a higher percentage of the tal was city versus association. Fi 25it was was narrowing that a little b. So I guesssu just moving forward again, pporting the art center, not against art, stuff like that ise forward, the next processess that your board and you guys discuss more how we can even that up? Yeah, absolutely.'r That's, that's a path that wee going to ask. Because if, if you g don't come up with a plan, then youet the shock valueAn of then we got to do it for you. d so, you know, come up with a plan to see how we can kind w of get that more evened out becausee're just taking on. It's a lot of I appreciate that. Yeah,absolutelt you do. Okay. Thank you, thank

you. Thanks, Ted. City Council discussion regarding funding other than general funds for the City Council budget operating page 94, report, page 60. w So I looked into this. Unfortunately,e cannot directly pay any of our officials outds of any of our funds, enterprise fun, or Tiff. But I did determine through thats evaluation that you're the admin that'in thet city manager's office does suppor you, that supports some of our Tiff,un Tiff work. So we did increase the amot of funding that is is being funded to her through the Tiff. So aboutth $18,259 worth looking into. It was wor looking into. S Yeah, it's worth the effort. Yep.o very good. Yep. Exercise. Events. Facilities. Operating page 121. Report. Page 61. Hello again. Just a reminder, I'm Chad Smith, general manager of the Tyson Event Center, Orpheum Theateric and Sioux City Convention Center. Nk Palmiotti, also with Ovg. Based on our conversation from the last meeting, we submitted a revised memo that clarifies how the incentive bookings fund would be treated related to oversea incentivegh calculations. So I'l just walk you throu that quickly. Obviously, the intent is any events generated through this fund would not have a negative or positive impact to incentive calculation. So the way we would do that is, you e know, any any funds designated for anventt would be would hit

our event operating budgeet as an expense that would then be offs by an equal amount. for the city's contribution to that fund So that would be a net zero as far as our operating budget is concerned. And then below that, any net revenue or net loss would be excluded from our incentive calculation. Sor essentially, it would have no negative o positive effect on what the city pays to ovg on on our incentive, not getting, credited for it. You're not getting debited correct? Correct. Want to hear what I have to say? But you know, when you guys came in here and sold user this program, you made it very clear that you we the I experts. Mr. Tom Roberts, you probably think forgot his name, but I will remember it foreverad because he made a lot. He stood right there and me allhi kinds of promises that ths was your expertise, ts. You knew theo business better than anybody, and you knew how t get these shows. Quite frankly, the day after you got the contract almost, you told us our venue was too small.ay So I know that you got the votes probably tod to doou that, but it's somewhat irritating to me that y sold yourself as experts. And, and quite frankly, to be perfectly honest, you haven't delivered on what was promised. I wased going to say I can't speak to what they promis when they. Well, I'll get that for you if you'd like. I would just listen, I we want to do better. Right. And, you know, I think that this if you look at this last fiscal t year, we had the literally the biggest comedian onhe O planet in September. We had two huge shows inctober. s We had two huge shows in November. We had

a bighow in February. So, you know, I'm going on my third year here. I've heard your feedback. I think we took a big step in the right direction this last fiscal year. And you know, again,, this fund, you know, we put this proposal, you know before you guys based on feedback from you guys. And, you know, we thought it was a forward looking idea, you know, so we're totally supportive in this. But you know, I think we really want to keep up the the momentum I think we generated over the last year. I think this is a great way to continue to contribute to that. I'veit been involved in excuse me a couple of meetings wh you guys. We've talked about some fairly big numbers, as I shared with both of you,ig looked you n the eye and said, maybe quite not that b. I'm comfortable with the fund for two reasons. Well, one reason in onese cavea, the reason I'm comfortable with it is becau everything needs to go through Mike's office. Mike will review. He'll visit with you. He'll determine what funds are necessary. I believe that the $500,000 is too aggressive. I'd rather maybe start with maybe 200 250,ou see how the fund really works. Get some input from y guys in 6 to 10 months to tell us, hey, the fund really did help give us a better sense of what what funds we need, because we know we're not talking about trying to supplement these activities for $25,000.ki That's not what the promoters, the developers are loong for, what the artists are looking for. We're probably talking 50 to $100,000 per show or per activity or per, per, per event. So I'm comfortable, but not at $500,000. And I was candid withe FTP meeting two months ago, but I'm comfortable withhe that. I'm not at this point. Let's talk through and see wre everybody'sho comfortable. I

won't make a motion yet, but that's my tse are my thoughts, and I think that's fair. The what I would say is, you know, maybe 300 is a nice round number, you know, $300,000 subsidies, you know, could potentially work. So I would just throw that out as a, as a, you know, a nice happy medium at 300. Fair comment. I was, you know, I was thinking the same thing and just a sentiment of what, what Craig has said. And, and I was actually thinking of like a 300,000 just to kind of get us started and see where we go. Yeah. So my question is, and Craig, we talked, I think your guys arese spot on. But also what I appreciate is everyone here es the the goal of this, the question I have. So at 300,000 from a pure marketing standpoint, what are those three sell out shows? Are those three. What do we get? That's a good question. I think that that's more of the big shows we've been doing. You know, that's not a you know, someone who's going to sell out, you know, a 20,000 seat arena thiswh we're talking about a totally different number, if that's at you're looking for. I think what we're trying to do, you know, again, like looking at our last, you know, 12 months, the offspring, Nate Bargatze, Parker McCollum, like we're talking about generating more of those already. And themo this is a volume play, right? So we're trying to generate re volume. But Parker we got we got, we have to throw any cash at them guys. So we're getting those. So we got to do better than that. What. Yeah, I would just say like, listen, if we're doing 6 to 8 shows a year, like we're trying to add on top of that and generate more shows. Yeah. More volume. If, if we're looking at, you know, trying to get jelly roll here, like it'sd this number is a totally different number, but I think

we shoulgo back to earlier discussion three hours ago where we were talking about Iowa State wrestling, Iowa State basketball, for sure. Creighton basketball, Iowa basketball, Iowa wrestling. To me, that's where I think these funds would really be able to supplement what you're trying to do, because the reason that those programs have worked so well in Sioux Falls and in other communities is I think they do have people or foundations or organizations that are willing to supplement to get the University of Iowa, Iowa State, Creighton in. So not that I think it's the only direction that you take because I like the idea of concerts. I like the idea of getting another Nate Bragazzi, but I think somed athletic events, whether it's wrestling, basketball or otherwise, woul be a great target for this, for the use of these funds. Takes us back to is 250,000 would be enough to do that. When Iowa gets 175 for. My question is, does the bucket refill. That's what I. That's what I was going to say. I mean, Teresa, does the bucket refill. So if we have a big show and it it cash flows in theory. So does that mean when we originally proposed this, it was hopefully going to be a self sustaining type bucket. And I don't know if that's a, a formula we got to come up with or whatever it is. You're not taking a cut. It sounds like correct. Correct. And then we're going to status quo with everything else we have. So what does that look like Teresa? Is that possible that we can we can reach back and reel some of that back in. I think it could go either way. People go to an Iowa basketball game. You're going to get at least 490,000 plus plus concessions. Yeah, we pay them 350. You got 140 left over right. I'm saying Teresa, reach back and grab an end to subsidize. Other than you got to guarantee them upfront. They're going to get that. So what we'd probably do is put that in like an operating projects. We could track it, but we could. And then we would know what that looks like,

right? Yeah, that was my. And then we could, I would call it, reprogram it and continue to, to move it forward. I think it would still go against the operations for the year, but it would force this discussion each year. Then each year, what the operations look like, whether it's paying off. I think the memo described that you wanted the money to roll over from year to year. I don't know what that means, because in my mind that means 2 or 3 different things. So as long as we're still reviewing it on an annual basis for show and per show, and the critical point is going to be if we use $75,000 to help supplement a particular event, we're going to understand from Teresa's review what that generated to have a better sense of what where those numbers need to be, both currently. And as we go into the next fiscal year. I mean, it's hard to measure it by because what this one does surprise you, whether whatever is happening, this one's down here, this one blasts, you know, it's going to be kind of a rolling well, there's different risks with which you're going to be able to quantify it pretty well. We could we might have a lag in either sales tax indications or hotel motel tax indications for those particular time periods. But you're going to know the number of tickets. You're going to know the number of tickets, you're going to know the restaurant usage, you're going to see the activity in our community. And just the eye test is going to tell us whether it did what we wanted it to do. And we can provide a memo with all that information once we have it. So you're able to see and know what that what I'd like to see us do is that once we nail down a number, if we nail down a number, is that then you can present that number to hard rock, and then we can actually go after some matching funds or some percentage of matching funds gives us. We're willing to invest more and above. It's going to fill you in. We can't really do that until we knock down, you know, an investment like that. So I'd like to see that that volume piece, it helps you stretch that, that

whatever number we get right versus looking for that one shot. Yeah, for sure. Right. You know, the idea is that we're not, you know, blowing this all on one big show, right? We're trying to get a few. And then Craig, to your point, we, you know, we can work with the CVB to do an economic impact study, you know, because I do think the economic impact and what, you know, these major shows can drive, I think is an important part of this conversation. We have the technology, as you know, to do it for sure. Yeah. You know, it's not just $100,000, you know, going by the wayside. There's a return on that, right? That can be quantified. I make a motion. I make a motion for the 300, because whoever proposed 500 must have been completely fiscally irresponsible. That's. I propose the the 300 with all the review processes and everything and the reach back in the memo from Teresa. That's a second. Got one year, but it better be a lot higher performance than what we've had past. I berenstein I would prefer 250,000, but I'll agree to the 300 because I think it's a good compromise and because Mike still controls it. If we're not comfortable, we stop. We stop. A lot of pressure on Mike here. I feel like it's on. You know, it's really on you. He's got he's got broad shoulders. Yeah. We'll take it. Bertrand a Rayford a Chainer. I passes five zero. Good vote. Thank you guys. Have a great day. Thanks guys. Finance skywalk sections operating page 132. Report page 62. This is regarding the closing of two sections of the skywalk that was requested. This is just information and what the cost implications would be on the other blocks of the sidewalk. Teresa. When we set, we kind of thought maybe this might some of this might happen with its own attrition. That might it

may. Yeah, it may through through a project, maybe just one of those. So it might just be tabled. I mean, that's my opinion. I agree. I'm not comfortable reallocating the costs to the other skywalk users. It's just it's not right. It's not fair. And I think we need to better understand the implications of closing those areas. So I'm not I would not be comfortable allocating those costs. Okay. All right. Well, we'll move on. Thank you. Fire memo regarding hazmat calls. Operating page 138. Report page 63. Ryan Collins, fire chief. I did send a memo kind of explaining the fiscal structure and cost recovery of our Hazmat program. The question at the last hearing was the number of hazmat calls. It was reported there were 16 in the last fiscal year. That was an error. That was actually total hazmat calls together, including inside the city and outside the city. In that fiscal year, we actually only had one that was outside the city, the rest were in town. So that's what the memo clarifies. What is the dollar get chief? AM I missing that? So so the so so the the fiscal structure of it is the participating counties play a per capita fee, right? Which is a set fee based on their population. And then for every incident that we respond to, there is a cost recovery fee schedule that is found on the bottom of page 64. Right. But I don't see anywhere what the dollar generates. Bottom of the table on 65. A lot of tables, the hazmat, the hazardous

materials cleanup, that is that is what we are billing to the R p. We only Bill 17,000. I know that wasn't that was in fiscal year. That's so far in fiscal year 26 we get a dollar ahead right. So we get the base charges. Those base charges are there too. So the the middle row is what is charged to the participating counties and entities. Yep. That top row is what's going to the responsible party. That's fine. When's the last time that's been raised. This just went to council and yeah. Yep. They raised what's that. How much they go up. It didn't it didn't go up much. The the $850 per hour stayed the same. But the minimum charge went up from from 2 hours to 3 hours. Base charge went up in 22. The dollar. What are your thoughts there, Mister Mayor? I mean, I don't know. I always say there are services. So we are the the contract with the 14 entities is currently under review and will be renegotiated this next fiscal year with you directly or with Mark a fire marshal. Mark ASAP is the one that that is in charge of the regional hazmat program. Sharpen his pencil. Okay. We they need to pay for this. This this program. We make more money than it costs us. As of right now, not much. It covers it covers our costs. And then a little bit more. So it does not cost the city. Any other questions? When is that going to bid negotiation. Yeah. The mark is working through the Lepc, the local emergency planning committee. And that's the kind of the consortium of all the county counties. When he gets through that, that that

process before he signs, can he present that to council? Absolutely. Yeah. It will have to come before council. We want to make. We approve it don't we. Yes. Yeah. Let's let's make sure we see that. Great. Thank you. Thanks, chief. I need to go up human resources memo regarding staffing levels. Operating page 157. Report page 66. 40. Name, please, for the record, Janelle Bertrand, human resources director. Well, you know, I didn't vote for this position before, right? Last year to get rid of it and nothing against the person filling it. I don't know anything about it, but it seems like we got along pretty well without that position for a lot of years. And now all of a sudden we, we and I'm not saying your department isn't is under work, but. Hard to believe that we keep that person busy when we never had the position until a couple years ago. But. Position has changed though, right? Correct. Yeah. There have been duties that this position has assumed that weren't being done before. Some of the tasks that are assigned to that position I was doing as the director, I'm a working director. I do a lot of stuff that my staff, my line staff do just because we need to. I think I've provided some of the duties that this does perform. The accessibility website accessibility guidelines is going to be something huge. That's new. We have don't know the scope of it yet. The Ada coordination that my office is responsible for,

we've done some of it, but I think I indicated there was an audit of the facilities that should be performed that we haven't been doing. So this is the position that used to be the community inclusion liaison that was under the under Mike's office. Right. It was under Padmore. Correct. The origination. And then when the federal legislation indicated we couldn't have Dei activities, this was transitioned to become, rather than a diversity and inclusion coordinator, became a different position under your under HR. When the position was originated, it was under the city manager's office as a community inclusion liaison, that individual separated employment from the city. So when the position was vacant, the city manager at the time moved it under my office. And then I was tasked with filling it, and we did the diversity coordinator. And then the federal legislation came into play, and the title was changed. As a human resources specialist, still performing some of the duties, the Eofy report, the DB recruitment, outreach, Ada coordination is part of the human resources role. There was a lot of overlap between the previous name and HR specialist. I think when the position was originally established, there was a desire to really identify inclusion, diversity and equity. But that is something that HR has historically done. Those types of tasks. You know, as I indicated in their police officer hiring, we've gone from one cycle a year to three cycle a year recycles a year, and it's very, very busy. The number of civil service

processes that my staff participates in, we've had a lot more investigations that my staff have been involved in. That takes a lot of time. As I indicated, we according to national standards, we are slightly understaffed right now. But if we lose this position, we will be more. This is a zero impact to the budget, correct. Keeping this. Keeping it right. Yep. Mike, what are your thoughts on this? Well, I think we we've identified some things that weren't being done previously. And the add on of the Ada website and that functionality, the preference is to keep this position. I think it's worth the discussion. My my suggestion would be to keep the allocation, revisit it next year and see if you still have the same general sense, same general sense. Okay, the scope of that. Ada. Yeah, yeah. Just from our discussions in meetings that we've had, that might be something you just want to. That deadline started April 24th of how massive that project is to be implemented by. And is that work done in conjunction? Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah, that's just a little bit touch on it. What the general scope of that of the project is? Yeah, very, very little. This position will be the one that will be heading it up in conjunction with an. It's just to ensure that all of our website, the city web pages, our website, all of the documents are accessible for individuals with disabilities. So we have hundreds of webpages, thousands of documents, and someone has to be the gatekeeper to ensure when they're being uploaded to the website are accessible. We are providing training to the web

admins, but you need to spot check and it's I don't think we oversee it. We don't exactly know what this will look like, but it's a lot. And I asked the question and every year you do performance measures anyway. So. Right. And you can add something in to discuss that once we get our hands around what that looks like. Absolutely, exactly. I mean, when you think of SEO and training and the accessibility, Ada coordination, DB, all of those things that were not being. And now we got a handle on those. So, I mean, it's a no nonsense decision. Yeah. Thanks, Janelle. Human rights discussion regarding reducing the budget by $7,481. Operating page 162. Report, page 69. Good morning. Karen Mackey, human rights director. You know, we know this is a tough budget year. Of course, we never want to have our budget reduced. But if you need to reduce it, we'll figure out a way to do the work. So don't really have any comments other than that. And you've combed through pretty much, you know, for your department anyway. So yeah. Yep. Mike, are you comfortable that the request of the Human Rights Commission is consistent with the manner in which you and Theresa looked at other departments and other requests for cutting and cutting back? Yes. All right. Thank you, thank you. Or are you accepting

those cuts? We'd have to make a motion. You'd have to make a motion to accept the cuts. Any of those that she's provided, the additional ones there? Yep. I'll second that. Bertrand, you gotta start with me. Is that your next on my list? Hi, Rayford. No, Conor. No. Scott. Yes. Berenstein I or yes? Passes three two. Thank you. Karen. Museum memo regarding custodial staff between the art center and the museum. Operating page 89 and 185. Report, page 73. Good morning, Steve Hansen, Sioux City Public Museum. Leave. The memo articulates where we're at. Open to any questions. I think the only thing that we talked about, and I forgot to bring this up with the Art center was Mike. Mike and a few of us discussed the shadow, maybe just coming to a shadow on custodial and those type of things in the next six months or so to see what we have. Duplication of service share with the art center. Nothing concrete. Just to kind of check out what's from hours of operation and kind of where they line up now and where we're overlapping with custodial services and other things. So that was a thing that came up in one of our meetings. So no action. Just thought we'd just bring that to your attention. You good with that? I believe I am. What I'm hearing is yeah, yeah. That's

it. Steve, did you and Stacy Anderson have a chance to visit? She and I had an opportunity to visit last week, I believe maybe two weeks ago. We talked about the Welcome center and whether we had some options for oversight of the Welcome center. Did you and Stacy have a chance to visit? We did. Stacy, I believe, still back there. Yeah, we did have a discussion. I think our discussion is going to be moving forward, particularly on marketing. I also had a discussion with the Lewis and Clark Center went down there and we opened up discussions again, had previous discussions with prior directors down there that. Weren't quite as progressive, let's put it that way. Open minded. Yeah. And this is item 43. I'm very optimistic with Stacy on things that we can do moving forward. We talked about once again, making another effort to pull all the culture groups together. Every nonprofit out there is facing the same thing a shrinking donor pool. No marketing to speak of dollars. So anyway, we can pull those resources together, maybe seek out extra grants. We've received grants in the past for marketing. We have not in the last couple of years. So perhaps seek those out and and just look for more partnerships. I will say the I don't think, well, the interpretive center, I was also going to be facing a revenue problem also. So they're going to be looking at fundraising more also. So I mean, their funds come from a variety of sources, none of them from city government or from state governments. So, you know, I think there's room for that. And I think there's room for us with the welcome Center to try to pursue more grants out there to both private and maybe state.

No secret that federal funding has shrunk considerably. State dollars. Every once in a while, you find a pot of money out there that you might be able to apply for. So we'll give it a shot. Maybe what we'll do instead of we've been pretty good over the last five, ten years looking for grants for downtown museum. We haven't looked for the welcome center. Maybe it's time to direct our attention to that and try to convince some people that that would be a good funding source. Also, I think that's key is, you know, when the donor pool is shrinking, people are not they're aging out, you know, the grants and the fundraising with new kind of more modern, more fun things that the younger pool that's left, bring them in to get them interested is really a good angle. If the donors aren't there, you bring the donors to you another way. So I think I think that's a really good angle. Yeah, I think for Stacy, she's there. She left me already. And collaboration when we did our capital campaign, you know, all of a sudden 15 years ago doesn't seem that long. We had a bunch of business leaders in a room at the top of the terror center, and one of the guys who'd been around for a long time just said, you know, let's face it, we're we're facing a shrinking donor pool. And we're talking about when you think about who's left the community, the terrors, the midterms, right? So that everybody's going to the same. I mean, if if we got our heads together, all of us went in and run room, we'd all have our top 20 would be about the same. On who we're going to approach for major grants. So it is about developing, going out and trying to find a new generation of donors too. That's difficult right now. I don't know that the pool has shrunk. I think it's just identified and unidentified because I think there's a younger generation that's very supportive, very

generous. And I think we just need to identify who those people and those entities are. Right? I would throw out at that. I do think, and this is from past experience, I spent three years at the Art center. Anyway, with that being said, I think there are younger generations out there who are madly excited to support the level at which they can support is significantly different to Steve's point of like those main families who have been doing this for decades. And so that's where, again, marketing efforts and pulling people together is critical because we need larger numbers. If we're talking about lesser amounts that are being donated. Right? But here's an example of a younger crowd that took over funding for Saint Florian. The fireball. Unbelievable. The number of participants and the dollars that have been raised to establish their foundation. It is unbelievable when they took that on themselves and short amount of time. Short amount of time. Absolutely. And they were getting, you know, a few thousand dollars a year out of their under the previous way that they were receiving money to six figures a year. So it's made a big difference. It's just a different way to capture a new crowd, new, different pockets. And that's a absolute success story. Yeah. And this is why I've been saying for years, it's just it's really critical that marketing, I mean, how do they how do we reach those younger people? It's marketing. It's social. Like we have to be going where they're at to reach them. And so there's, there's a huge effort that needs to be made as far as those marketing efforts go. Steve, let's back up. The purpose of the Welcome center is to welcome. Right. It's it's twofold. Well, what's the second education? Well, it's

education. So I mean, it is a museum. It's welcome center slash river museum. So throughout the year, you're talking education, school groups, history, whatever it is. We are also a welcome center. How many people come through it? Easily 20,000. We don't count. I think how many of those go from the Lewis and Clark down to or I mean, from the welcome center down to the Lewis and Clark interpretive. I think school groups. And I have my supervisor back here, she'd be able to tell. Oftentimes with those school groups, we flip them, half will go the boat, half will go the Lewis Clark. And then after five minutes coming up on the boat. Pardon? Got some maintenance coming up on the boat. Some dollars, some capital. Capital. Yeah. Some capital items coming up. You mean our ship? Yeah. Painting and a possible Hvac improvement. Yeah. So I guess my question is, is again, just thinking outside the box, not seeing any action or not. I personally think that the the Lewis and Clark interpretive center, I think it would be an option to throw them. I mean, we're looking at almost a quarter of $1 million, 200,000, throw them 25,000 to do the walk part of it, component of it and help us out as a city because it's a, it's a clean, nice, fresh facility, all that good stuff. Let's shift, let's just make an investment into them and turn the boat into what it is, which is a drive by. And, and I think that that from a taxpayer perspective, I think it's another option to look at down the road. I it's not a drive by. Okay. You have two excellent facilities down on the. You know, they're complementary. They serve two different functions out of the 20,000. How many there are kids that are brought down there? Half. Would you say? I mean, it's a family. Sure. The families come in. I, I don't have that

breakdown. And while Christine's coming up too, I do just want to add on top of when Steve said 20,000, that's 20,000 that go into the boat. They do a lot of activities outside of and around the boat parking lot. So those numbers are higher, which probably pushes them pretty comparable to museum art center attendance, I would say. Chris has been our supervisor for ten years now and done an incredible, incredible job down there on a lean budget. We're open seven days a week, and so we've taken the cuts for years, but we're a unique facility, National Historic Site. But we're family operation quite the the interpretive center is just at Lewis and Clark Interpretive Center, the museum there for Lewis and Clark. Now they've expanded their niche because they've had to to adapt. We're consistent with the Welcome center, which is unique. And then the all the education activities we do. So I mean, roughly, I don't know if we have a breakdown. State your name please. Christine Decker Welcome center Supervisor Thank you. I'd say it's right around 5000 in school kids. We do do a partnership with the Lewis and Clark Center. We have a lot of larger groups, so we split them to make it more manageable for both centers. We are not a drive by facility. We have very dedicated people that come into the boat, have a very dedicated staff. We are all part time, a lot of dedicated volunteers that put in a lot of effort to be a good partner with the parks as well. We help, you know, locking the restrooms, we clean up the area year round and we participate in litter. Dash, you were talking about the concerts and the Naia is coming up. You know, we, we partner with the hotels, we put

our information in there. Those hotels send people to us. We promote local. We don't promote the chains. We want that on a new entrepreneur to make it in our city. We want to promote them. You know, like the new scoops entrepreneur that just came in. I went down and met with him. We, you know, we, we try to get people to really love our city as much as we do our staff that works there loves Sioux City. I'm a lifelong resident. We matter. We make a difference. We are relevant. The boat has not served its purpose. The boat is critical. It's an asset to our city. It really is. Like I said, we are not a drive by. People come to us specifically to get information. We do matter. I just we make a difference in this city. Like I said, we are all very dedicated to Sioux City. We love what we do. Sometimes we're the first point of contact to visitors to our city, and they appreciate what we have to offer, the amount of information that we have to give. They love our center. The uniqueness of our boat is very critical to. Out of the 16 centers of welcome centers in Iowa, we are always within the top three. Okoboji. Again, they're usually three four depending on the time of the year. Western Iowa tourism is strong. Our welcome centers are strong. You know, Covid had an impact on us. We lost some numbers then. We are gradually building back those numbers. We have a true following with the boat, and I think it would be a shame if you ever decided to shut it down. I used to work at City Hall. I, like I said, I've

been in this community my whole life. I went to Briarcliff University and I left the city to take this position because I believe in the welcome center. I believe we need to have it here. Like I said, we have a strong, you know, a strong relationship with the whole community, with the universities. I reach out to Briarcliff, I reach out to Morningside, I reach out to the Western Iowa Tech. We have those students come in to get credits for volunteerism at our centers. I use every resource that I can find to be as lean as we are down there, and I hope that you realize how much we need to welcome people into our city to help people realize what we have to offer here in Sioux City. And I hope each and every one of you will stop in and see us, because I don't know how many of you have been to the boat, but I encourage it because when we do get locals in there, they see what we have to offer. They realize our importance and they're happy that we're here. So again, I just hope that you take my comments into consideration. We are just a pimple, a tiny pimple on this budget, and we're worthwhile keeping that pimple there. Do we know? Do do somebody following it? Right? Do we know if if, as it's identified as a welcome center, do we know if there's any state funding or it's limited? When we first when we first bought into the pilot project, I mean, we're going back to the 80s now. City council applied and there was money. That's how the bathrooms got built. City kicked in. Money matched money. As far as the funding stream for welcome centers. Right now, the state is cutting back on rest areas and also on welcome

centers. So they still provide us with marketing opportunities. Signage from the interstate. Chris just got back from a so did Stacy from a tourism conference. So they do provide training. I think I put in there about certified training counselors. So that's the state's involvement. But as far as the specific grant. No, no, we have to look for other ones. Maybe it's Department of Cultural Affairs or whatever it might be. If we have programing events down there, maybe we try to get something for the programing event. So and Chris, Krista, is that what you said? Christine. Christine. So, Christine, you said that, you know, the welcome center wasn't getting all of its use or, or I don't want to misquote you, but you know, what do we need to do that we can. Well, I think just promoting it, you know, you were again, talking about, you know, making it more relevant for younger generations. We do have a kite event that we do every year that I started about three years ago, a kite event and a scavenger hunt that we do on the riverfront. It's popular. It's been growing. Every year. We are trying to look at different avenues to promote. Down there we have our two yearly events. We have our yearly car show second weekend in July, and we always have our Lewis and Clark encampment. And there again, that's a dedicated team of members that always show up for me. They will do whatever we need. They are very supportive of the museum and our staff. I think some of them even submitted letters to you guys. They they are, again, a crew that I couldn't ask any more of. They're willing to do whatever. They're going to do something for the 250th that we have coming up. They work with the Lewis and Clark Center as well. We all do. We're a team down there and we're a team with the Parks Department. Like I said, we clean up daily on the riverfront as much as we can. We do the litter dash with the city, but again, it's a

year round thing for us. We take a lot of pride in the riverfront, how it looks to visitors. That's why our restrooms do need some attention. They're very old. There's a lot of issues there, you know, but everybody has those challenges trying to get funds to get things fixed. And, you know, the boat is almost 100 years old and we have maintained it very well. We really have. We I like I said, the staff that I have, I couldn't ask for anybody better down there because we are all dedicated to that boat, keeping it open, keeping it looking sharp for the public and that matters. That matters to people coming into our cityo tsee that we care enough to welcome them, show themha wt we have to offer, show them the local businesses.e Wsend people over to South Sioux. We send people over tohe t dunes area to restaurants. Like I said, we perform,e w promote local Siouxlands aa whole, and that's what we want to project that Sioux City isco welming. We love everyone in Siouxland. We are more thanpy hap to, you know, to support your business. Like I said, whenever I find out about people that are opening up new shops, I try to go in there, findor infmation about them so I can send people there. So our everybody can send people there that works at the boat. Again, we love what we do. We love Siouxland and wea nt the boat to remain open and to be an asset to the city.h ank you Chris, you can feel your passion for. v I amery passionate about the boat, as are all the people that came today. Sure, absolutely. I think you guys all t needo keep in mind before you get too carried away makingof some these cuts that within probably two, years there will not be a rest stop by Sergeant Bluff. It goes away with the interchange and thisec will bome the rest stop. So we b shoulde trying to do anything. We should be working with theen Departmt of Transportation to make this the

designated rest stop in the area. Now, we're not going to be able to t handlerucks down there, obviously. I mean, maybe we could, but they do go down there. Yeah. It's not going to be able to handle.ot We're n going to be promoting that. Right? Right. But anyway, I think there's an opportunity to work with the state on this. deal I'm new angle forne partrship. We can spend a lot of time on this. If somebodys wantto make a motion to do something with the boat, that'sw fineith me. But either forpr or obably not for it. I go there once in aki while. I nd of like the deal. I take grandkids there, buty that's wh we vote on things. But I think we spent enough time. I think we understand you're where you're at,nc and the couil needs to decide. I just want toon throw e other thing. Christie and I already been talking. I don'tha know tt there has been a good historically relationship between. So I do think there's a lot we can do to supportAn th. d I love. She mentioned because that was the firstthing that popped up I think we'reaw five years ay from four years away from their hundredth anniversary. And again, for tourism, like that could be something we could start promotingr here in a yea or two to build again, creating that economic impact thatke hels ta care of a very lean budget. Right. And, and riverfront to think about the million deal. The state gavemo us money to ve it here and then they don't. And theye want us to b the ones where the rest stop occurs, butt they don want to fund anything. After that. They did the the windmill down in walnut or whatever. They did about ten of thosete around the sta back in the day. But it's aat typical ste program. They don't want to have anything to dote with it afr that. But anyway, what do you guys want to do? No, my only comment is again, is if we wouldn't havedi had this scussion, we wouldn't have I wouldn't have known anything aboutid the rest stop se of it. So these are appropriate, aren't they?er These convsations, Chris. I just don't want people to run out thereg in the first thin they say, oh my God, these are discussions that we need tohave. And I this completely appropriate forl a new councito go through it.

So your comments are wellt' takn and les move forward. And I think a large part ofve the dialog or the budget cycle and this morning has been about. Whatam the tourism progrs in Siouxland can do. And a with Staceyssuming that responsibility, I see a lot of opportunity and it'snv going to be iigorated over the course of the next year orve two, thre, fi years. That's why I had mentioned to bothey Steve and Stac that I'd like to see more dialog between the Tourism Bureau, and I totally agree with that. I tried to reach out to the w former people thatere in her position, and Stacey has beenno wonderful. I have thing but wonderful things to say about her. I think we'll be an excellent partnershiper going forward. Pfect.k All right. Than you. Can I just don't sellh, what's been sold? Yea I just want because n there's a lt ofervous energy going on. But I do want to saybi one thing. Oe t of good news. Yesterday the neighborhood services had a d community eventown at the museum. Andlo I know there's a t of talk about homeless and what are we doing in t that. But I thinkhe council in this this city community can feel pretty good about what went on down the museum d yesterday. All weid was provide the space, but the neighborhood services helped over 100 people.th And I know one of e people actuallyme checked into treatnt because of the effect yesterday. And thennd my story is near the e of the day, and there was a guy on the bench and he thought I was going to kick him out. I wasn't I just couldn't understand what d he was saying from aistance. And I went in and I asked him how he was doing. He said, are you kicking me b out? I said, no, I said,ut what's up? And he says,av well, these people ge me these things. I'm just trying to keeps it in my bag. He sa, this is all I have. It'sbo just nice tht somedy actually cares about us out here. It's like, oh man, you know, and that's, it's those kindci of things that the

ty does that people don't s see and neighborhoodervices. They just did a wonderful job. Butyou kn. Just like Chris puts a face to the bulb. It'sk like, you know, I wal away thinking I got problems and I'my thinking about the gu with this one sack, and that's his lifead in that bag. o we me a difference yesterday, made an impact. So it's a good. story. Thanks everybodyGood luck Steve. Parks and recreatione discussion regarding th potential closure of Lewis94 Pool. Operating page 1.s Hi, Matt Salvatore, Park and Recreations Director. What question can I answer fornd you? What's your recommeation? If you're going if Parks and Recreation needs to be cut, you need to take a look at one ofthose,g pools, because we don't have anything else to to really cut. That. I don't like thatt' word cut. It's just thas not fair. It's just it's just not a fair to come to the podiumt and say, cut. It's just nothat you're talking about repurposing, repurposing,re whatever. Yeah, there's, the's, there's not like we're just going to say we're going to close it and it's just going to sit there, as an empty thing. There's there's a plan behind everything else. So,n you know, rhetoric matters ithis community, that's for sure. Did you you, you had said earlier, I mean, throughout the year or L since we've been here, theeif Ericson was in really bad shape and p no, or. Yeah, I mean, at oneoint it wasli sinking. It was it has stabized. We used to surveynd it every spring and fall, a we quit serving itre because it's not moving anymo. But at one point it was maybe.e Matt, can you share if if th decision is to close t this poo, what would happeno that site? Well,rn it's no secret that that Moingside is is interested in

partnering with the city onthatd have swimming lessons coveredast partnership. How would thabe covered? Because, they offer indoor swimming pool indoor swimming, indoor at their hypocenter. Yeah. And we also have anl new swimming facility coming oine highways on highway 75, which is, right. It's private development but it's a it'ser similar to the operation of Rivside. Yeah. I mean, I'd step away, step away and Riverside. Yeah. And when we know how successful Riverside is pressure off. We know how successful Riverside is. If if it's a step above the riverside pool, then that should tellss us that the the vision for succe.s We have to understand that that' a for profitpa entity. Sure. Not going to be comrable to the same couple of bucks it cost to get into Riverside. We have to remember thatot it's a different nut. Not they're n the same, right? p Well, if you're going o close theool, you don't do it necessarily right here because I've been part of pool closureso and you find out a lot about urn father's and mother's history. Wheyou do that, you get called a lot of names and you should not be faintth of heart if you're going to do at. I, for one, listen, I'm for our colleges, but we continue and continue andca continue to do everything we n tot help Morningside College. And it's a the detriment ofg Briarcliff. We should be workinem with both colleges for their probls, and we've never done that as a city. We have always gone w and taken care of Morningside. Tell mehatth we've done for Briarcliff, because e answer is nothing. They wanted help with drainage up there. We didn't do it. Andbe Im not opposed to that. But you tter have a plan for s Briarcliff. Those. Both of

thosechools are terribly important to this community, and we don't treat them thesame. Well, and we've sportedea Western Iowa Tech as well. So, I mn, I think there'sn universal interest more for Wester Iowa Tech than we've done for Briarcliff College. And I think we're open. to visiting with the new leadership I'mal excited to see Briarcliff's proposal and l the yes votes. I'm really excited for that. So what's that I'm excited for?al For Briarcliff to present their proposs. Then we got a bunch of yesng votes proposal here one time to take Headiton Park o instead of building their soccer fieldn the campus, they should have said no. Yeah. So I I'mge sorry, but I'm I thik we're on the same pa. I like b both colleges and I don't think we'veeen fair. And I don't know how you say we have beenbet to be universally supporte. Agree. So if thefi the money saves. If you the pool, it's ve grand that getsWe you to. They get you to the fall. Yeah. can get f through the we can get through the summer yetull season. Soig it's not like justa complete shock value, rht? That would give us time that would give the opportunity tomae road. It also would give an opportuny for the community asot the Morningside plans becoe unveiled, and the her services that they're lookingo to provide to the community be unveiled t at that point. Correct?et Correct. I mean, so o your capital items are gting addressed. We know what money we should be spending. We're going to manage that, in the summer. And on the operating side I don't think there'sd an appetite to close. Louis Poole Yeah, an we would table theen painting until further discussions have be been had. Right. a Yeah. I think it's appropriate. That morning, little further down theet road with their proposal that the public gs to absorb that ali little bit more and what it means to the pubc, not justli the university, but what it means to the pubc. Have another thought for what their goal is done. Yeah, talk about it. So great discussion. I think you got the moneyen you need to keep the thing afloat, no pun intded, until through

the summer. Sounds good. Okay. n Thank you, thank you. Thanks, Matt. Nothingeeds to bet moved for this. Right. Okay, Dolly, we're no closing the pool.as Please. Discussion regarding the homeless tk Force operating page 223. Report page 78. I like what we're doing with this. And so I won't be so hard on you on this one. Rex Mueller, Police Department. I M think we covered a lot of the bases Monday atonday's council meeting, especially with the partners here.nd One of the things that we've been discussing, a I'll tryre to keep it brief. You guys get the analytics. The are some intangible things that will never be able to gauge appropriately, gauge ours successes. However, we're trying to find new way to quantify what kind of work we're doing. And I thinkup that core group, if you guys recall that core gro y of individuals that we were following, we had a,ou know, over 50, I think it was a 6,070% reduction in o calls for service involving that core group becausef primarily the work, the homeless task force or heart, as we call it now. So I thinkt they're having a lot of success. And I think tha they have been very good atf adapting and building new partnerships. That's part o that report out that you get as a weekly in the info to council is you'll see new partnerships in there. Whoai have we brought on board? I think Captain Groves sd it well when he talked about, you

know, we're really breaking down silos here and we have a lot of public partners that are contributing manpower, resources, knowledge. So so, chief, the what if we what if we proposed? Obviously, I think that that the badge does means something down there walking around. It's a I think it' the main component of the homeless task force. And we'veea got people that want that position. It sounds like. I mn, just by the presence that was here on Monday night, they're they seemd excited about it. And they're doing great thgs for the community. And I love their honesty when they talked about there'slp people that want help. There's people that don't want he. I thoughtbo that was a great, honest conversation. So you're talking aut two positionsd here. Why can't we just shift you and your choice? Go finat two positions that come out of your investment in investigive services, orel just plain street cops. Just reclassify them into a homess task force. And then let's revisit because we have anopeni, because we are those, those individual are probably going w to apply and transfer to those positions anyway. So why,hy can't we just reclassify two of the existinger positions? Again, your choice from either investigative svices or from a street cop into those two positions. That way it gives them definition of their role within the task force and the resources. And then let'san revisit as because we already have openings, right? How my openings do we have on the on the force? I would say that we have 15, 18, something like that. Well, it depends as you as you as you're aware, whathe I try to communicate to you is the street officers versus t ones in training in various states of hiring, etc. and then vacancies. And I think we're sitting about 8 to 10 vacancies at the moment. And then obviously that's not even forecasting for the upcoming retirements of this year. We try to pipeline hire whenever possible. To answer yourre question, the only issue with that is I am leaving. There a a handful of positions within

the department that are vacant just because of our losses and our efforts to rehire. So just because of the retirements, we're in a constant state of hiring, as Miss Bertrand mentioned, regarding HR, to try to bring our numbers back up there. So I am already shorting several positions in investigations, various divisions throughout the department to staff this. So but we believed in this and we understood it as a trial. And that's the only thing I can tell you is that eventually I think we have minimum staffing for a reason. Essential services is always going to win out, meaning uniform is always going to win out because we need to answer those calls for service. Those 911 calls. And we have wein have shorted them. We still have patrol shifts that where the hirg is catching up to trying to meet demands. And we've been adding personnel for that very purpose that we want to meet the demands of the community, the growing footprint. And when we pulled these two, I knew it would hurt and it did create a hurt. It always does. And it might not seem like it when you have an allocation of 132 people, but pulling two people into a specialty assignment does create some challenges for us. So there are already. And if you want, I can offer a memo to the council to let you know what isn't filled throughout the department, what positionsae we're sitting as far as staffing goes. But I mean, this was always a discussion. So slow down. Okay, so we post the position, we create two new positions, right? There'sly two individuals that are already existing right now. They're probab going to apply. I think you mentioned onou Monday. So they're going to shift. They're coming. They're coming t of your they're coming out of your they're going to come out of your daily assignments anyway, company, whatever it is. Anyway. So again, I just keep going back to instead of creating two new positions right now, let's just shift reclassify to. And then you're going to backfill. And then

this is a discussion we'll have as we backfill and say, okay, we've got X amount of positions filled. We're ready to take on more for the reasons. I just think it's, it's more of a simplicity standpoint versus creating other things. It's the same. You're going to have the same result regardless if we create a new position or if you go withine the department, just transfer these in and reclassify them. Does that mak sense? Yes. I understand what you mean by that is that is what we've been doing is we these because we were dedicated to trying. But you told me, though, that they wanted they wanted an assignment. They want that to be specific. So now that these will be dedicated to the homeless task force, we as a councilor, asre a community, are going to make that commitment because we're seeing sults, positive results, and they're going to they're having a presence with the upcoming ambassadors and other things like that. So 100% compliment on what the implementation of it, I'm just saying is that why can't we just because it's the same people, why can't we just reclassify and then repost as we need them? Because there's already vacancies. You're going to be the same result. Can we backfill the two positions first before we let them transfer into these? That's what I'd like to see. So you're not shorted by moving them first and then hoping to backfill. When you say backfill, you're using your current vacancies to do so. Or you want, because backfilling would require us to add to positions, right? So that would be adding to positions, not two positions filling vacancies. Yeah. Right. So now you're flat again, got your eyes on the street, but their positions that you're transferring them out of are filled before you transfer them. But he's still asking, but it still seems, it seems to me that your issue is that you're short on numbers, not Not that you're short on the total complement that you need. So because you still need to fill certain positions. So adding positions you're going. To just have two more short positions as you ask Janelle to start hiring, right? Yes. So maybe the directive needs to be to help you get filled the positions you need filled, not necessarily the transition of the two that want to move into the new positions. And I understand that that was it was

actually, I believe, brought up in operating budget about. Mr. Bertrand said, let's ask for him now or let's talk about. That's what. I'm sorry, Mr. Bertrand. Brought up the fact that. Let's address this now and we are. We are comfortable with. We understood this would be a trial. And there's other city departments involved in this. And so. And we wanted to we were willing to do this very much because we wanted to see how effective we. Got to have you. We got to have the badge. We got to have. You know, I understand that we got to have you. I don't disagree that that the police department is the anchor for this this whole concept. And we need to be involved. I'd rather see two versus one, because I think you're cutting the efficiency and the effectiveness of it. And the way that I witnessed, I think we all witnessed the synergy of what was going on on Monday night, which I thought was extremely impressive. And the passion they had those two had behind it. I think it's just it's a natural transition from from pilot to pilot program to fixed, and then it's seamless. And then as you as, as we fill our vacancies, not backfill, but as we fill our vacancies and we need more, we need if we're full, let's open up two more positions and then we come back and let's and we'll we'll hire then. But and that will never stop. I mean, we're in a constant state of hiring, primarily because of the long period of time it takes to get a single officer up and running. What's the resistance on this proposal? Well, we could do. I'm just I just want to throw out what we could do is do a complement change and not fill what what we could do is do a complement change, which means we add two police officers, but we don't fill them until he has all of his other vacancies filled. So then at that time it comes to council and we don't fund them. I should say it comes to council and you determine when to fund it. I think I shouldn't speak for Rex, but the concern typically is now we're not increasing the complement. And so five or 6 or 7 years from now, when we're fully staffed, somebody has to open that up, somebody has to open that up. But if we right now we did, we

did increase the the complement, but we don't fund it until all of his other vacancies are full. So so we would need to identify general fund dollars to fund the positions until the other positions are filled. And then you would be notified once that point that occurs. Here's the problem. We fund four extra police officers. Now allow him the backfill. He's never caught up on the backfill. Not blaming you. Right. We've never I mean, we just can't hire police officers fast enough because of you got to train them and you got to have officers available for training because you exhaust your lists sooner than what we think we used to. I mean, it's I don't know that we're ever going to fully staff a police department around. I wouldn't I agree with you, Mr. Mayor, but I think what those allocated positions gives us is a cushion because we're we're always playing catch up is the unexpected loss. I get all that. My point is, we've never had a fully staffed police department in the. In the 16, 14 years I've been back, we've all. You say we're catching up, but it's always been 8 or 9. That's the number. It's always been. And so you you have to have enough people to train new officers that we're not turning them out on the street when they get out of the academy. I hope, and I know you're not. No. In fact, the training is exhaustive. You have limitations in your own department to be able to to get the full strength. Unfortunately, unless we can go out and which I've always been an advocate of, steal from other departments around us, I've always thought that was the best approach. But you're much more gentle on your surrounding departments than I would be. Well, unfortunately. Well, fortunately for the city of Sioux City, that's organically happening. As officers migrate from area departments, they talk to each other. We just from a decency standpoint, try to maintain positive relationships with our

partners, but it's happening anyway. So, so what she's saying is he's going to be able to do this without any difficulty, any more difficulty than what you're already accomplished. I think today is he's looking in addition to just the complement numbers being changed, just knowing council's supportive of continuing the program as it's been piloted. It's really retitling their positions. Totally. It's it's reclassifying and retitling what the two that want to move from one area to the task force, the program permanently out of patrol or whatever their jobs have been. Well, it just so happens that those two were on patrol. So, I mean, if had we we did an application process to at least allow we knew this would be continuing for a while at least. And it's important to us that, you know, the information that you get weekly. It's important for us that you have as much information as possible to make decisions as to the continuation of this program. We want to be very transparent as to our. So, Mr. Mayor, do you think we should we should add positions or not, like Teresa was saying, or just just go with what she says. Do you want to make that motion we would do is actually add a division in the police department, the heart division. We would put the two positions there. Yeah, the funds will sit there, but we won't actually fund the full department until we've hit all the vacancies. But we will also, if you agree or want to add the other position from Parks and Rec, well, that that person will sit underneath that complement. It will be paid for out of Parks and Rec, but it will be part of their budget and then transfer it in. So you can actually see the whole, entire division. That second discussion real quick. So chief, so those if this goes in the way we're talking about it, would that effectively immediately or when would that go into effect that they would then become dedicated offers to the heart department? I think this is personally, I think this is an

endorsement from this council that we continue this project. And then I personally, I think it should be under constant evaluation. I think it's something that we should. The question I had was when would when would when would these people be declared or reclassified as hearts? And that's that is their primary role. Yeah. We have the job description. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it would still be a uniformed officer just being a division. I would say July 1st is when you'll see it in the book. However, if you, if you're suggesting you can continue, you can continue. Do you want to write up effective immediately or do you want to do the July 1st or how does it. It doesn't matter about funding the funding. There's no waiting for funding. So we could actually. And there's still going to be uniformed officers. And the pilot is what I'm saying. The pilot has ended. Now we're moving into the heart program and giving you two full time officers, essentially to sustain someone else picking up what these you can hire officers if you can. That would be the eventual. But as Bob mentioned, it'd be nice for us to get to that point where we have to have a full department. But this is important. I mean, it needs to heart. You're definitely you're creating two more patrol openings technically, right? We're not on patrol and we'll fund them when the vacancies are we ever thought of offering a $5,000 signing on bonus for any officer that's already accredited? And, you know, Mr. Mayor, we actually explored that and had I mean, I know you actually brought it up a number of years ago that has come up before. Yeah. But the, the Iowa Chiefs, they I don't think there's a lot of agencies that offer significant incentives. They don't seem to feel that they're as effective as one would think. I think it's I think it's agency culture. I think it's long term. The the pay the top end pay for. I think those mean more than that initial outlay. Already got those great things. So yeah. So one more to tip the scale. I'm

just saying that if that would entertain it, if anyone wants to move here, $5,000 goes a long way for a, for moving them. I would, I would happily entertain that if we thought it would bring in more personnel and it would be nice. I think we, I think we ought to try it for six months. I'd like to try that. We do ask our folks, when we hire them on what kind of what kind of reasons, you know, it was that brought them to us. So due to the vacancies, that wouldn't require any budget implications. I mean, increases in the budget, we would use the current salary. If you wanted us to work with that 8 or 10 officers. Okay. I think that's so we can work with HR to to come up with a plan and then provide a memo and something to counsel that. So you're on board with something, whatever we've determined, if it gets if it gets one quality candidate, it's probably worth it. Right? Right. More on that. Yeah, absolutely. I've served on civil service. And I, you know, I think the bigger issue is, is population. And, you know, we've, we've had this discussion for a number of years. And until, you know, we, we increase population where we have a bigger pool. I, yeah, I wouldn't be for it, but hey, that's just me. All right. Rayford, this is what you, what I recommended earlier so that we would create a division. We would have two officers, uniformed officers that are currently right now unfunded until he has his vacancies filled. And then we would fund it with taxpayer dollars. So there would be no increase to taxpayer dollars today. And then adding an EO one, which would be half general fund and half road use funds, and we'd have an additional position, and that would all fall under that division. So there would be a minimal increase to the general fund right now for that portion of that position, I'll be your position one position. Yes. Effective effective July 1st. Well, we would continue

the program would continue in its current status right now, and the vision would be created on July 1st. Yeah. Because because we as we talk Monday, we need to because we're going into the spring time to see. And we've identified somebody in the parks division, they've been sharing this. So utilities, excuse me, field services, the streets division and parks have are splitting this. So right now it's field services that's identified somebody as the person is going to parks in a busy time. So we've already identified the person that will be able to do this work until July 1st. So the difference is from a funding perspective is that this will require general fund dollars. And the previous position would have been out of a enterprise or utility fund. A portion of it either way is is 50 over 50. It's yep, road use funds and 50% general funds because that person is 50% parks. Okay. Yep. Because we're sharing somebody I. Shaner I Scott Berenstein a Bertrand a passes five zero. Good vote. Public works discussion of rate tiers for sister city users report, page 87. What number are we on 4646. Oh, sorry, number 46. Page 87 of your pamphlet or your packet here. Add on. I didn't get that did I? It came late, didn't it? Isn't that the one that came. Anybody

got a copy of that? I didn't get that. It's that rate thing we thought we asked for. Yes. Not in this packet. It's not in the materials that came subsequent. No, it's. I think because we've done it. That was separate. Sorry I apologize. We can get you packed. And this was sent to you in a memo separately, but we can get it for you. Thought we were adding that on. Oh, okay. Okay. And you already had your packet. Apologize for that. What are we doing? Yep, they're right here. It's in the material you got this morning, Bob. So Tom suggests not a percentage like an ongoing but a one time. What do you want to call that? Cost adjustment. I mean, rate adjustment. I mean, what do you suggest on these cities? If we were proposed to raise rates on their discharge into our system, would you do a one time hit and just let the percentages flow the way they're they're flowing right now do a market adjustment. I mean, what do you think would be the best? Theresa? I'll let you jump in on that too. What do you think? So this is the last year for approved rate increases. And our rate increases will also hit our sister cities. So after that there are no approved rate increases. That's 27 or after July 1st of this year. There will be no more rate increases unless you got unless we approve them in next cycle. Right. But this is additional. You're you're thinking that the sister cities would have an additional rate outside everyone else. Do we impose a one time adjustment? I'm fine either way. A dollar amount or a percentage or a one time saying that, you know what we want to just by looking at the rates and inflation and all our inputs that we're doing right now. This is our system. Sorry guys. And they just need to pay more and to put their stuff in

our system. So my question is, do we propose a, you know, what's a dollar amount, a quarter million dollar increase across the board or something like that? I mean. So it'd be a little here it is, you know, retro forwards. They're not blindsiding them, you know, effective. Right. One or something. What attitude do you have under the hit. What latitude do you have under the agreement to increase rates when when it's done? I looked at our agreements with our sister cities and we have to give them six months notice. Six months? Perfect. You're also supposed to. Rate studies, which you haven't done around here for a while, which I hate, but that's what you're supposed to do. We do have a rate study. I can provide you the last one that we have. That's what I'm saying. I think that's what you're supposed to 21 said it's been 5 or 6 years ago. It was about 2021. I can get you more information on that. But I do believe at the time that we attempted to fix some of the sister city rates that were lower than our current rates, so we did some of that equality. I don't know that we did it all, but I can look and see what we did right. And I remember speaking to what's his name, Dooley from Derby. Jeff Dooley, Dooley, Jeff back when we did that small increase and they said, we're more than happy to step up. We're more than happy. We understand what's happening. And we need you guys. As do they. All right. So I'm not in favor of a one time. I'm in favor of an ongoing personally, because that plant is ongoing. It's going to need maintenance ongoing, even though it's getting new bills. What the percentage is carried through with that though. Julie. Basically it's like you're doing a salary adjustment, right? Right. I know the increases are going to be based upon the new base. All I'm saying is maybe suggest we do a one time base adjustment and

then let your percentages. CPI adjustment or something like that. So that leaves the city's always above others is what you're looking for, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing I'd warn against a CPI adjustment is we'd have to come back every year, right? Rather if we just fix flat just a flat rate. Well, the guy is going to require us to come back every year and approve whatever that new number is. So the CPI adjustment in the the solid waste contract is CPI or 3%. So if we said CPI or 3% or whatever the percentage, would we still have to come back every year. That's why it comes back every year. Yep. Because of the or the CPI. Would we if it says the lesser of or well the ordinance greater or the lesser of by whatever, what you're doing is changing the ordinance and change the ordinance which has the fee included in it. You have to bring it to council for approval. Mike's got to explain how we can do this with equity standpoint to make sure we don't get in trouble, Mr. mayor, I mean, could you just propose a rate increase for next two, three fiscal years? As a percentage, you could get a one time hit. A one time decision with for three years rather than a one, a one time hit. I want to I don't want to complicate it because what Julie is saying is completely separate. She wants to do increases gradually for everybody. But in this case, you want to do just for the sister cities, which does not include just everybody. So there's two different things happening. I didn't mean for everybody. I mean for the sister city. Oh, you don't mean in general for the fund. Okay. So what would that number? Is there a percentage? Obviously these are all different amounts. When you look at South Sioux City, I mean, is there a percentage difference between

all of these that we could come up with? Theresa, you got you know what I mean where it's proportionate. You know it's proportionate for what they're paying now. Oh, you want a different percentage for each one of them for each. I think you have to, don't we if Mr. Mayor, what Mr. Mayor said, I think for isn't there an equity clause or something in there that we get in trouble with or not? He's talking about in general between our users and the sister city users. Oh, not not each one of the communities, because we wouldn't want the rates to be the rates. We don't want the rates to be different for each one of the communities. But we don't have to make those equality between one time 10% adjustment per per. So let's use let's use Sergeant Bluff, our friends down south that aren't in our school district. Sergeant bluff the. Nine 4837 so they would be they would be looking at 83,001 time hit and then the percentages would carry. I'd keep it clean and simple, right? If you're looking at the big user, if you're looking at for Su, it would be a $230,000 hit one time, correct? Okay, so the key is you got to come up with what percentage do you. 15%. You know, I would like to see us come up with a million and a half. That's the dollar in my in my head that sticks out. How do we how do we do a flat 1.5 over these sister cities? So would that be for each year or once you establish goes from there, then then the increase will based upon the base, it raises the base. So the 3% is already larger. Every year you're starting with a larger base to make that increase sun completely appropriate. Yeah. Theresa and I can go look at what it would take to get to the 1.5, and we can come back to that. You guys good with that? I run some scenarios, run like 1.5 on 2.5 just for fun. And then you just bring that back at a normal Monday meeting so that we're done before. Yeah, yeah, we'll get you a memo on it. Perfect. Okay. So you can

digest it. Good job. Whoever did this, great job. We talked about it. Okay, okay. Discussion regarding increasing chemical expenses by $329,074. Operating page 248. Is that for the smell? What is that for the smell? Tom? Dot for the odor. That's for the odor control. What he's asking. Yeah. Rick proposed in the I believe is the operational budget to add the 300 plus thousand to the chemical budget. And what I want to ask is. How much. And I don't know if you can answer this right. I know where you're going. What's our percentage of success? Do we propose. Because what I think the entire community misses on the wastewater plant is it's not just based on what we're dumping in how we're treating it. It's based on the unknown, what the users are sending us the loads. So it's not like a swimming pool that we just say, oh, look, we're starting to turn green. Let's get in there and you know, treat it and it's going to do this. So. What's our potential success rate. Because we've got all of these 60 some users, 31 of them being major. And if I'm not going to say anybody's name, but if this certain business I've called you and said, oh my God, something's going on over by the viaduct, and then you find out that, oh, they're heavily doing A, B, C and you know, there's nothing we can do. I thought there was a leak. It was so bad. So we can't control what that industry is producing on any given day, what they're

doing. So by increasing this budget, by this 300 and something odd thousand dollar guarantee, what's our potential success rate in control? It's very hard to tell. I know it would be if we did to the full dose the the extra 1.7, which we can't. But the good part is set the alarm off for me, Councilman, was when the skunk. We smelled the stink and I called and he says, I'll call a guy to throw some chemical in it, and which tells me that we're not that we can't. But did it. Yeah. Right. But that's we got we got to limp in for 40, 40, seven more months. Literally. That's that's the goal, right? Yep. That's the goal. And I don't want to spend 300 grand either. I just don't I just think that I just don't want people to have. If it stinks, we've got to knock it down. Mr. Scott's going to say we've been doing this for how long? It's a high cost for an experiment. It is. And I just don't want there to be a perception. That's fine. Just bend it and that's fine. I'm all for it. My son's an environmental and a civil engineer, I get it. He designed plants first part of his career. I understand what we're talking about. However, I don't want there to be a public perception or an expectation because you're going to see it. Well, they just got done. Spending $350,000 in the city still stinks. I know that's going to happen. And I told these engineers who started with us, Hazen, from the beginning, you better control the odor. You could spend $1 billion, and if somebody's nose detects it, we're going to spend a billion. It's a fail. We're not going to. But that was one of our choices back when we were deciding rebuild or relocate. You could spend any amount of money. And if somebody's nose detects it, which it's never going away, let's be honest, it's a failure. The whole project's a failure. So I can only tell you, quit putting the chemicals in for about three weeks if you think it smells bad. Now, I

understand that. I'm just saying I don't want the public. And this is an additional right, because we're already this is about 650 right now. No matter what you do, there will always be people in this community that say it stinks. We're a food processor, right? The dog food. I'm not picking on them. The dog food company in this town, when they cook, it stinks. And that has nothing to do with the sewer. I agree process, I agree. So you're not going to get the public to ever buy in that we solved the odor. Well I don't want Mr. Bertrand certainly help 350 Street solve it. It's not going to be solving. It's about that will be less. But there are cut their budget 329,000. Right. All I was saying is that it's fine go status quo and I'm not hey, I'm not going to. This isn't what I'm going to dig my flag in on. If we want to roll out of it, we'll put the 329 in the coffer. But he's. What he told me is that if we go status quo, he would throw. I wanted to dedicate those funds for chemical, not just for. I just want there to be clear, not. Let's throw the 329 back. Just to clarify, this is an enterprise fund. So if if he doesn't use it, it just stays there anyways and roles. So it's it will stay in the fund itself. I mean he'll have budget and the authority to use it. But if if Tom doesn't use it, he's buying it. He's trying to use it though. Right. Well he would only buy it. We don't have to use the full extent of our contract. Right. But if if you guys give us this, we'll definitely dose. And I'm I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm for it. I want the order to go down. But you can dose it the same every day. And then some big user loads you up. It's going to break through. That's just the nature of the beast right now. I think we your guy has told us 3 or 4 times he has York Street solved and no, I never yeah. I'm not I'm not sure we have the right person doing this. I'm going to. Chemicals alone aren't the right solution. And that's all we have. We were told 25 years ago this was going to get

resolved and it didn't. Right. And as supportive as I am of trying to find a solution, I don't think $329,000 is, is going to really make a difference. If we knew and had a guarantee and could commit even more than 329, I think we'd all be supportive. But without 1.6 takes it to 0.001. We can do that. No, that's the full phase one. That's 400 million. And that's just it, $40 million. I think we can do that with with the phasing in. We'll, you know, we'll have a better understanding of what we're going to be able to accomplish. Right. But I'm reluctant to commit 329,000, even if it is a reduction from other funds talking to staff. So if we don't take action on it, just the budget stays what it was. We're good. Yeah. Good. All right. Move forward. Thanks, Tom. Thank you guys. Thanks, Tom. Thanks, Tom. I'll call you Saturday morning. You're going to build us a better plan anyway, right? Who doesn't? You said you don't want to move forward with this, correct? No, no. Well, I'd like to move forward with it. So I'm going to make a motion if I don't get a second, too bad, but I don't. I think York is a disaster. You drive by it, you don't even want to go to the ballpark. And we got how many tourists are we going to have coming with the new arena that we're going to live with that smell? Again, I'm not saying I was against it. I just want there to be clarity that it's not going to solve the whole problem. 329 we're not going. I'll second it. That's great. Seeing the 329 is now dedicated to chemical. That's what that's what this motion is. The 300. That's what I second it. Okay. I don't want that arena to open with, with people coming from all over the country to watch the grandkids play. Where'd that come? Out of nowhere. You come out of that. Come out of Shaner I, Scott, I berenstein know, and I hope I'm wrong, I hope, I hope the funds

are well used. Rayford like Craig. No, I hope I'm wrong again. I voting three two out because I was against it. I just want there to be clarity that it's not going to solve the odor throughout the city. No it's not, but it's certainly going to help your it's not going to hurt. Right. I'm just memo regarding concrete connector program operating page 252. Report page 79. Getting out of here at noon. Poor planning on your part is going to cause confusion on mine today. But what. As requested, this is a memo regarding cost to pave some of our dirt roads throughout the city that would most benefit our. So Gordon, what's the cost we spend on maintenance on dirt roads? Again, refresh us all two point what. Teresa about 2 million. 2 million. Yeah. And what is what do we spend on. What do we spend on concrete rid of all the dirt roads. No. Hold on. What do we spend on concrete? Oh four so about half we spend it's a big chunk of money on this. So this proposal is just again, just a discussion point. I look at this as a really. Not just a practical from a budget perspective, chip away at this stuff, but from a morale and for working people type things. These are this this is Gordon signed off on the idea that and this isn't a novel new idea, but you're talking about stretches of one block or 90ft or two blocks. We're not talking about running a full length street in dirt. You're talking about connectors. No, I'm just in general, just explaining to the public what it is, is, is we're now he's saying that we can go in there and just do a little scratch on the throw some subsoil down, you know, sync up with existing infrastructure, not worry about doing upgrades on infrastructure, anything like that. And this is a this is a

new development for the city infill. This is a brand new development for the city. It's been proposed for a gazillion years. We have an opportunity to fill in all of these little short dirt run roads that are great maintainers, buzz around town and break up manhole covers and break up edges of concrete. And it's just it's a great and I appreciate, Gordon, your flexibility on this. We've done this in the 90s, 80s and 90s all the time. Ask Mr. Warren the paving hearings, your most unpleasant experience. Remember this? I remember I live on a lot of drive. But anyway, this this is good for working people, but you got it. You're going to assess 25% and you'll have every homeowner come up and say, we don't need that road pave. We like it the way it is. It's what happens. And can I get some clarity? Bob's right 25%, but it's 25% of the property's assessed value, not 25% of the cost of the. That's correct. So it could be more or less could be. That's true. But in the current state doesn't mean that we have to do. We can change that, can we? But if it's a $400,000 house, you have the potential to assess $100,000, right? Is that that's state law, state law. So it has to be when they pay, that's our limit. I had to pay the most. Right. But it's still 100. So that's the most we can charge is 25%. So the question is do in a program like this, do we commit to and say a percentage up to a certain amount, let's say on a property, regardless of the value, you say it's X percent or up to $2,500. If you put a, you got to have some skin in the game. I get that part of it. But if you put a number out there that a property owner that's living on gravel their whole life that can manage, I think we find that number and it's kind of like the sidewalk thing. People aren't going to feel as bad about having to replace sidewalks in front of their house if they know it's a cost sharing. But you're right. If we just go 25% on a 100,000, then split it up. So let's come up with a finite number. Well, you're going to you're going to

end up paying over 50% as a city to do this, which is fine. That's the investment you're making because you're going to defer that in maintenance. We got 2 million that we're maintaining. I'm all for it. I vote we've had these. They're just not fun to do. Right. And if 75% of the people on the block oppose, it takes a supermajority for that to pass or used to. So that means eight out of we got to have four people vote for it. Would you support, like I said, a flat fee versus I think it's y you know, 25 why should I got 300ft? My neighbor got 150. Why should I get tapped out? And he doesn't. I paid more for my paving than what my neighbors did because of our per foot frontage and and valuation. I'm trying to shift it from more of the burden on the city. Yes. I'm all for what you're doing. The problem is some of them are on here. You got two streets out by miles in. We tried to get done back in the 90s and they're not on here. I can see down by Leech. These were. Well, the one you're thinking about I think is a paved street. But it's just so deteriorated, isn't it? Chicago. I think so, anyway, there's not not all of them are on here, is all I know. Yeah. No that's that. You're going to do a paving assessment. Pick an area, pick up in Martha Street up in the hills, pick that area and do it all there so the contractor doesn't have to move from South Morningside to to Leeds, pick it so that he can work the area like you do your sidewalks. I think you're going to get a different kind ofon ctractor on this too, because these are not pavers. I think thathe tre's there's a group of hungry concrete guys right now in that in that wheelhouse. We typicallyti sll will do that. If it's over 250ft long,he ty have to use a paver. They have to use the machineas bed upon whose requirement city's requirement. Again, I'm going back to flexibility. There's guys

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asphalt and the paper. Youd can bi it. Yeah. We still got to doot you still g to do concrete curb to curb. I just thinkoi you're gng to do you got to go. Some of this isn't curbed. There'se no curb. Theris some of it. Curb in Sioux Falls does all kindof these. They put the curb down and then theyin asphalt between. That's how. Yes, we can do that. Yes, butha that's wt I'm saying. You got to do that on asphalt. Yeah.on Yeah. Ccrete. A lot of some of these I count . We countedthis out as no curb, just even on the concrete. Itdepends on the sith one'sh different. Eacone's different. You matched upo existing t existing. Well, whatever. But I'm just saying you can bid it as analternative like w. Yeah. And o we fail to don most of the projects. No, no, wery do on eveone except for the DOT1.on What I'm cfused aboutof is some these, as I'm looking at theom locations, se of them I hado understood t not be city cost orat maintenance obligions. For instance, West Kingsth Highway.I ought the property owners along Weste Kings Highway wer responsible for maintaining wouldll pick that one. We, it's the one is the one we t are. We isheirs to maintain. And right now it is just r we we had toubberize it because. Right. So they hadnd challenged that a we are working on that. Okay.f Right. Okay. Ito council wants work with them. Yes. Okay.ll Anyway, I am a for it, but I'm just telling you, be prepared for a long evening. Can I can I ask you this,. Mr. Mayor? TheThen I'll get away from it. I like fixeder always. So is the any way we can work in a percentageth up to. Because at's what that's what makesto people be able to to to tonk grasp it. I thi that's going to settle people down a lot. 2 o

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one. This will be a new CIP ori. Good vote. Historic memoOp regarding sidewalk repairs. erating page 254. Report page 81.io As requested, we asked for some optns, so we gavepr you some options here for our ogram.hi Got to be careful. Looks like we're tnking now as a community'r on this thing. Got to be careful. Wee starting to look likew we know what we're doing. We do. I kno it's impressive on this one. The.Th This is the door hanger one, right? isel is the option that you put together. Wl,w that was one of them. How we ho we manage the process. Right? I think you still havent to have a permit. I just don't wa to. You don't chargere them anyway, do you? Not for the pairs. No. Wep still make them fill it out. So we keetrack like a. permit to make sure they're doing themAnd we are going ton work with it to be able to. So they casubmit ittt online just by hitting a submit buon, because right now they cantu fill it out online, but then they have to rn around and? email it to us. Just an extra step, rightre The beauty of this though, is that they' going to get direct X contact on their door when they get the, and it's goingnt to provide ther options. If you don't wa to pay it, it's going on your taxes. If you want to do it yourself, here's i the option ad the permit that goes witht. And then thes third option is f we if, which I think ithe smart i option, is what I did on a lot of my stuffs just let the city do it because they're getting the best bidsc and best price. That's the biggest mionception out there. Let the cityac do it on these 2 or 3 slabs, and then you tuallybu get a buy down from the city of three cks a foot,'s which I think is fantastic. So then it cost share versus itng feels

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regarding new incentive proposal. Operati page 265. Report page 84. 27. Can I have you introduce yourself? Stacey Anderson, explore Executive director. Why is the guarantee going up? Well, we we proposed something that that I think they felt they needed more guarantee to allow stability in their entity, but at the same time giving them more percentage as they grow it. But the base is going up as well. It is. And the benchmark is going up. Yeah. Okay. But webe originally remember I wanted the two seven. Rememr that, Mr. Mayor? We wanted toey raise it the bar. And I think they thought that th. Which I still like, but they want the bar lower. Well, two eight is already bringing in other cities were making a contribution track results. I'm sorry. What was the question. It would be easier to vote for this if other cities were making a contribution. They are. They're not significant, but they are. They they are.ou They're not significant, but they are. We went over Sth Sioux isey not. South Sioux is not well. But the others are. Th're taking advantage. They've got one of the premier hotels. I'm. I 100% agree with you, but unfortunately there's only so much I can do with that. I mean, you're going to go. Let's be realistic here folks. The city doesn't get a 20%

increase. And then in the third year you're looking at from base, you're looking at about a 50% increase. Nobody's getting that in government. Come on. Now that's that's if you look at the bottom line, actually the the plan has us getting less than we got last year. So it's this, this is a, what I consider kind of a complex plan compared to what a lot of entities get. This is a guarantee, but there's also goals being set. There's percentage splits after the fact. But if you look at the bottom line, the way that this is, at least I guess so here's the thing. We havet two different proposals. The one I submitted and the one thacame back from city staff, the one that I proposed. We are just barely above what we had last year, so it's not much of a difference at all. And the one city staff did. We actually are going to have less. So is it we have to get down to what we're netting on. That is the adjustment, though, based upon who's responsible for the Saturday and the park contribution that definitely plays into that affects staff proposal, because basically out of that jump from 1 to 2, that's 25% given to Saturday in the Park, a one day event out of our budget that is meant to fund us for 365 days. So what are you going to get this year? Right now we're in. What are you getting? We got 321. And that's where we're at so far. And your proposed even after Saturday and the park to get 362. Is that your proposal or is there a proposal? My proposal has Saturday in the park. So here is was my understanding is the last time we met, you guys were on the agenda right preceding the tourism part, and you guys had a line item of your three agenda items under City Council.

What are we going to do about the $10,000 line item for the park? And you propose to move that to this day and put that in the tourism budget. So that's what I thought we were playing with was 10,000, which is why that's what I have in my proposal. Then I received via email the city staff proposal, which drew that up to 50,000, five times more than what we thought that was that we were even discussing, because I've never heard anything at a city council public meeting, anything higher than the 10,000 mark this year. I thought we did talk 50,000. Well, we budgeted 10,000. That's what we've always given to them. But the request is for $50,000. They're ask. Right. That was the last year as well for 90 in 2028. Your proposal. Over 340 that you're proposing for this year. That's your proposal I believe. Yep, yep. And you're proposing that with so you raise the hotel motel tax by 200,000 and you want 100 and a half of that, come on by 200. No. Yeah. So the discussion was Rick had said, we want to raise the benchmark. The 2.4 of the hotel motel tax, which is intended for tourism driving activities, which is 100% what we do and the only one that does an ROI. And I want to continue to press that because I don't feel like that is penetrating. I also think that's important for our community to know because this is not property taxes. This is a completely, completely different funding bucket that everybody understands that they don't though. Bob. That is I do want to clarify, I get hit with this. We do use that to offset property tax. So yes, okay, out

of that 50%. But anyway, he wanted to go from the 2.4 million goal to 2.7 because of inflation. So we had also talked about then. Well if we're going to raise that benchmark, we should also raise the guarantee because again, we are trying to get us so that we are even slightly competitive with any other city who is a DMO, because we get we just came back from travel Iowa and it's, it's it's almost embarrassing. The conversations that we have with all the other editors of all the other Dmos, because we get the least amount of funding from the hotel motel tax. And so that puts us at a disadvantage when we talk about growing this community and doing what we need to do, we need to be working with that same kind of a structure that every other person or organization is working with. So that's the challenge. But we talked about raising that goal before we could split anything, which means instead of getting more to make us competitive, which we need instead, we're now making it even more challenging. Which to be honest, I think part of why I'm in this editor role, although I am, love that I'm here because I love Siouxland. Born and raised here, I love travel, I love this, but no one else is going to come here. We've had a couple, but the conversation and the state of Iowa is city doesn't understand. They don't support what dmos do. That is literally the conversation that's out there, and you guys need to get engaged in those conversations. We don't look competitive. That makes it hard. When I've got Angela and people doing RFPs and we're trying to get events here because they're like, they don't have the support, they don't have the funds. All I'm asking is when we talk about raising that benchmark for the percentage to get a split, well, then can we raise the guarantee because we need staff. Here's the other

thing. And I mentioned this before and even before that, our community size should have eight staff members, six minimum. We have two. We are also, as you have heard, not only today, but in several of these meetings, we can support the Art center. We can support the Welcome Center. We can support the museum. We are the entity that brings everything together and sells and promotes Siouxland. And we're asking two people to do all of that. And it is an impossible task. And to get staff, we have to have some sort of guarantee on funding. And again, this hotel motel tax, the intention is to fund what we are doing first and foremost. And again, the only one who will give you an ROI on those dollars spent, give us the money, let us grow it. Let us create more revenue so that we can help support all of our organizations. So, Stacy, what's the amount that need to grow last year from hotel motel? From the hotel motel. What is it? Is it two, eight, two eight of which we got so 2.8 million. We got 321,000. So again under 10%. Most communities get 2025% to 50%. Stacy, as you compare, explore Siouxland to your contemporaries, whether it's numbers, budgeting activities or otherwise. Are there other communities like Sioux City where they have a tri state area or a tri city area? I look at the Quad Cities. The communities are in the Illinois side. Two of the communities are on the Iowa side. When you look at Des Moines, Waterloo is Waterloo, Cedar Falls. How do you how do we compare to a community similar in structure to us? Where there. And how do

they fund their their how they're structuring? So yeah, great question. So I actually just got the cell phone for the gentleman. I think it's Jeremy. I didn't bring my phone up here from Quad Cities. So him and I will be having a conversation in the next couple of days because that's the next step. Like again, I've been here for weeks. I haven't had a lot of time and I've been to travel Iowa. We've done trade shows. Like there's been a lot happening. So we're working seven days a week, like we're doing everything we can. But again, it's two staff members trying to do all this. I need to be able to gather information. I need to be able to do marketing, and I need to do sales and staff and finances. And it's that I can't express enough to you how important it is. I guess here's where I'm at. Just shut it down and not let's not have a DMO or let's find it so I can have staff so we can actually do what we're supposed to be doing and do it well. It's kind of where I'm at. But yes, I agree. Those are the conversations we need to have. I'm every time you've asked me within 24 hours I've had it. I've got it. And I could have her bring my phone up here, I can tell you, but I've got his cell phone as of this morning, and we will be talking. The gentleman from Quad Cities and I have a second person too, and I just can't recall it off the top of my head. But yes, I said, what's the bank actively doing that? The bank from hotel motel tax. Yeah. Well what we keep to offset property tax is the 2.84 minus what we pay them minus the 321. Yes. Which is how much? 2.5. That's a week. That's the net number is 2.5. We net the city net 2.5 offsets the property taxes. Correct. Yes. But if nobody visits then you know that number goes down. Well the two eights kind of seems like it's established. That's that's the only some, you know, little hang up that you're going to. I think you're going to do two eight, two eight is going to is going to come right. That's the baseline. If we don't have a Covid or

anything catastrophic. But yes, hopefully yes. But even as is, quite frankly, there's part of me that like just wants to pull both proposals, like even the 200 again, I'm looking at where we net because that's the bottom line is all that really matters. And again, we're still at on one proposal 300, which is less than last year. And we haven't been able to grow a staff beyond the two. And your other proposal is. 340. Like it's just it's not significant. It's not your only source. What other funds are you bringing in? Yeah. And then we do a DMF fee, which we had to do. I'm sorry. Are you getting collecting it from all the hotels? Yep. So we've got a 11 hotel partners. And so that's where we have been comping what we need to function. And so with those 11 partners, that's a significant portion. That's about two thirds of it. Our full budget. So we have a eight 856,000 budget. And again, a lot of this goes back to grants and things like, you know, and I won't mention because it's here and I know you're saying, well, it's not Nya, but we do put in $20,000 like we do put funds. And even though it's not about it's not new, maybe we didn't start getting, you know, we weren't the ones who initiated that and got them here. We are the ones funding them to keep having them come back and to make that possible. What's the number? What's the number? You're at 800 and some thousand. What's the ideal? What's your wish list? I would like to be at least at 1.2. So you're short about 3 or 400 grand. Okay. Which allows you to hire 3 to 4 people. I just want I would yeah, ideally, again, we would hire five six more people. I would be how far, how far, how far would we have to ratchet back the two 800. Not promoting that. I'm just asking what's the, what would we go back to to make that split? Theresa. What's that pick up

400 grand out of the 2.5 that we bank. How much would we have to go backwards on the 2.8? I mean, she's sorry. I'm trying I appreciate that, I really do. I'm curious. I mean, it depends on how you want to do it. You increase the guarantee. What do you do? I mean, you can do any of those things to get there. You're asking guarantee 200, right? Yeah. But if you want to get to the 400,000, I mean four different ways to get it get there, you could increase your guarantee right now to 250. Well, that gets you at 390. And it's to the point of guarantee amount. And it's the benchmark. And it's who's responsible for the Saturday. Correct. It's all those different factors. So then is staff asked is that proposal that 50,000 coming from from their portion or from the city's portion for Saturday in the park. Yeah. So right now the city has $10,000 budgeted for that. So that would, that would be removed from our budget and moved to their budget. But the request for from the Saturday in the park board is $50,000. So you guys would have to determine what what does the city want to contribute and where do you want the contribute contribution to come from, either from the where it currently comes from, which is city funds or through there through the contribution from the tourism, which is saying that it would lessen tourism fund. Correct. It's just passing it through. What do we get for 1.2? Sure. What the what do we get? It passes it through. What do we get? 1.2. What's what's the two point. What's what's the number? What's the sales. I'm sorry. What's the community? What's what's the revenue. You think we have 1.2 with one point. If we. Yeah. So we have 1.2. Yeah. What what what do you turn that 2.8. I think 2.8 is going to go to three. I would hope easily over 333. well again point three. Yeah. Again I mean it's

Guesstimation couldn't tell you exactly. But the two it's been pretty steady in the community though isn't it. Isn't it. Are we running two years. Just two years is more. No. For a long time we were barely right. We were at 24222219191925. Oh my gosh. Right 2525. We had A32 which was an oddity. And then we had 2728. So no actually this 2728. And this is again if you look at I provided in our PowerPoint the graphs when we had an active demo, that's when we got out of this whole, you know, 2.2, 2.2, two point, you know, 1.9, 1.9. Well, it doesn't matter what we're doing. That was 2019, 2020 and 2021, which were the Covid years. Right? I started at two six, nine, 2016, 2016 was 2.4, 2017 2.2, 2018 2.2 2019 1.9 2020 1.9. The drop in 2021. Stacey real quick. So from Teresa, from our perspective, to keep the 2.5 intact so that we don't have to go in, we don't go in the rear. If if we went 2.5, keep that intact. If we could, we do 100. If we did 100% over 2.8, does that get her. And it doesn't affect our number. But if we do 100% over 2.8, that gets her an extra $200,000. If if you get to the 3 million, that's what I'm saying. It gets you halfway there. So again, it doesn't affect our budget on the 2.5, on the tax on the on the on the property tax. Mr. mayor, I'm with you on this one. I think that they they should have to go out and sell more. But if sometimes you got to put water in the bucket so they can mop the floor, but you got to not just. It's not just selling to. It's also like. So if we're going back to. Okay, well, some of this hotel motel tax is now going back into your budget, right? And I've literally been at every city council meeting,

if I haven't been here, I've watched them on YouTube. I am watching all of these amazing organizations and people that I know very well from our arts and museum, like all trying to justify their dollars. And we need to tighten their budgets. And again, like when I talked to Steve, when I met with him two weeks ago, he's like, I have $1,500 that I can pay out for a couple a year. No marketing budget. No, this is again, this is we are not just selling, but we are also that's why it's called a destination marketing organization. We mark it. What didn't you like about what I said is that you can save here or that they don't have. We can support and promote the art center. We can promote the museums, the railroad, museums, all those. So. And Julie mentioned something when she said we, I heard the we and I went we to Ovg when Nick and Chad were up here about. Well, we've got tools to measure that. We have tools to measure that we have place. It's $27,000 to have some of those tools. We are the ones that are bearing the cost of all of these tools. We are the ones that are doing all the marketing. Like there is so much that goes with. And I, again, this is why I had Bill here, Bill gates, like I really want to and I am available any time I want to deeply educate you on what a good working demo can do to support a community, what I loved and I wish you guys could. I wish I would have recorded it. Debbie Durham spent the first hour talking to us at Travel Iowa. Wish I would have recorded it because the way that she expressed. How significant. So here's what here's here's what, here's what I'm kind of talking about is if you did 100% of between 2.8 and 3.1, okay. And then after 3.1, we go back to the 5050 with that does it by no. Hear me out. Okay. That that buys you that that buys you almost your 400,000. So if you got to go out and sell the 3.1, what does that buy us? Theresa, are you still giving her? Is the base still 2.5. So the 2.5 she's getting 50% from 2.5 to 2.8.

Then she moves to 100% from 2.8 to 3.1. Right. And then back to 50% after three point. That does not affect our our budgeting. The 2.5 does not affect property. Take the example that we have got to go out and sell to the 3.1. And then after that, that gets her her 400,000 gets her to her employees, and then bang, we get because we got to have some under the three one. The scenario we have right now under 27, if we took this scenario and you had $3 million of hotel motel tax, that would add $200,000 to the 300,000 that's there. So you'd have $500,000. But that's that includes that, the $50,000 just out in the park. So but she'd still net an extra $200,000 because anything over 2.8 and is getting 100%. So if she had $3 million, she's getting an extra $200,000 in that scenario. I like that part of part of the issue, and I'd like you to address, Stacy, is that you know better than we do that regardless of what we come up with today, you're going to work very hard with your team of one of one and try to sell Sioux City and Siouxland, and you're going to go to various groups throughout the region and try and book events at the Convention Center and Seaboard Triumph and elsewhere. Right. And you're going to sell Palmer Candy Company and Wells Dairy and all of these organizations that show quality of life and the kind of community we are. It takes sometimes those programs or those conventions are 24 months in advance, sometimes 36 months in advance, right? So how, how comfortable are you quantifying your effort, knowing that the bottom line is not going to possibly be affected for easily, not 12 months, but likely 24 to 36 months. And that's the harder part. And that is, again, part of that education of what a DMO is like. So many people think we should. It's not that hard because you come back to us,

you come back to us at 16 months and say, hey, I'm short, but this is what I have on backlog. It's not that hard. I mean, we, I mean, it's it's there. I mean, you knew that right now. So, so if you're short, you're short, but you're like, but here's what these five employees did or whatever is, we've got this in backlog. It's coming. This is what we have booked. So I think that's a really easy obstacle to overcome. My biggest thing is how do you get more cash in your pocket that gives you guarantees to hire more people. But on the same point, we don't want to back up on our property taxes. So I think that's a fair compromise is your proposal would be a $200,000 guarantee. The benchmark is at 2.5. Anything between 2.5 and 2.8 is 50% to tourism. That keeps us safe. Yep, from 2.8 to 3.1 would be 100% to tourism. Anything in excess of 3.1 goes back to the 50% split, and the contribution to Saturday in the park still remains at $50,000. Yes. So in that so that we're asking that the tourism pay that $50,000 to them. So the 3.1 net provides how much more? So if they were $3.1 million they end up at 3.1. They end up at 33.1. So they'll have I mean they're going to get 1.5 million initially. Then they're going to get another $3 million. And then the two excuse me, they're going to get 150,000 for the 202.5 to the 2.8. For the 2.8 to 3.1. They'll get that 300,000. And they'll get the the set amount a guaranteed amount of 200,000. So you're right there. You're looking at about 650,000 minus Saturday in the park, which is 600,000. So there's go sell 3.1 is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. And that might not happen this year. We've got three months left and I don't see that. So I know you I know what you're saying. But the reality is right now I need funding now to hit staff now. Or what happens is staff burns out, quit. You can't get new people. We can't recruit people in. That's just the reality. We

need staff. We can't burn out the two here because like I said, and I'm not saying this is a poor me, but seven days a week I work all the time, weekends, evenings, we're going to burn out. It's not going to go well. Like we have to have staff and if we aren't going to hit this year, it's another year before this thing that you're putting out there comes into play. And I guess the thing with I want to just address that in the park, that check will have to be written in just a few months. And also with that, I would also like to again, and this is, this is a topic that is, is a hard one for me because I highly respect Dave Bernstein. I love South Park. Don't think I've ever missed it. I have volunteered, but last year when we were put. This was put in front of us, two three board meetings back to back. This almost tore our board apart because although and again, it's internal conflicts for most of those board members as well, because it's highly loved event, but it isn't on mission with what we do. Again, what we do is to bring events in that bring in tourism, our tools like Placer.ai, and the tools that we have have shown. It doesn't do a lot of that. Mostly if there's out of town people, it's family members of people who know about it come. They stay with those people or their Sioux Falls or places where they go right back to those communities. It's, it's, that's a hard thing to put down the throats of our board members to do something that's not on mission. And then just as a, a kind of a comparison, again, Naia is one of the things that we put the most money into 20,000 and it's got a massive $5.4 million economic impact for the basketball team this time last year. Obviously it's going on this week. Haven't got that economic impact yet this year. But to be able to go we are giving at a level so much above and beyond anybody else

that we give that has that kind of economic impact. And this doesn't I don't think that shows us having a whole lot of integrity as an organization saying, well, it's not really on mission. It doesn't have the impact of this, but we're giving five times more than we give anybody else for grants. But that doesn't mean we don't love it when it's supported. I just don't know that this is the right vehicle to do it. Or we have been discussing as a board and a staff of one to is there a way that we can. And I understand, and I know what they would say. They need the funds to pay the bands to get the talent. But is there a way that we could be a part of it to some extent, where we could turn a one day festival? Not meaning that Saturday Park has to be multiple days, but could we come up with other things to build on that weekend so that we actually can figure out a way to drive tourism and get people to come for that, but stay for 2 or 3 days, and then we'd have the economic impact that would justify it. So I do just want to throw that out there, because I don't think it would be with good integrity if I didn't, as someone leading this board. So Teresa on mission, what does that look like if I mean, if if explorer is doing 10,000 and we do 10,000, that's 20,000. What does that look like in in that same scenario, in that same scenario, then they would they would have $40,000 more. So they would. Six 4640 so the only other option for you to stay neutral would be to reduce their guarantee 260. However, the guarantee is really what they're looking for upfront. Or allowing us to do Saturday the park to some kind of like because this is the thing. Also I find very interesting is everyone else has had to stand up here and speak to this and ask for the funds and justify it. Like, can there be a discussion about so much of it being guaranteed or for funding of the bands? And then some of it is used towards that marketing or trying to figure out how do we get more people

there. Now, I know that's not what he needs it for, but just trying to meet in the middle or at least have discussions about it and figure out how we can get those smarter and again, get just I would love to see people coming in for that event and then staying for multi days. If we could figure out other other entities that are having festivals or things and maybe we pair them together, what do you want to do? You send me a copy of your last year's 990 please. We just want Sioux City to grow. We're really trying to do our best to, again, market and sell it and pull everybody together. Have a track record of not keeping a director and spend blowing money on directors to, you know, my business wouldn't operate if I went through people, sorry, you've had that track record, but it doesn't reflect. Yeah, you can say it's yeah, I know you're going to say it's because you don't have the money, but gosh darn it, you can go get South Sioux to give some money. I preached that for three years. Now they give nothing. I'm trying and I've got a good relationship with Chad. I'm trying to get the Marina involved. Right? No, they're they're the benefactor of this organization. Barbara Sloniker, for me is upsetting. No, Marin, I understand that we are working on that. We have been working on that since long before Stacy even they were in it with us at the very beginning. They chose not to be. We're still trying to repair that relationship and we will do that. Your comment, I just wanted to make a comment, though, about your comment about not being able to keep a director only because, I mean, our last director left to take the dream of a lifetime, a dream job of a lifetime to run literally the field of dreams. Right? So in Iowa, so granted, he he was good. I think he would have stayed had that

opportunity not come along. But quite honestly, Stacey's been the one that's been involved for the last several years. She's been the chair, the vice chair reflect. Well, and that's what we're trying to do. We're trying. We lost a year's worth of momentum. We did. But Bob, you can't go back in the you know, all we can do is go where we're at today and move forward. And I think I've already demonstrated I have met with Steve. Christine, like I said, I never got to talk to the last executive director last two. She goes and I have literally built relationships. I have in the few weeks I've been here, I think I've built better relationships than any of them did in years. So I, we hear you, we agree with you, but we can't change the past. All we can do is go forward. And this is why I said the don't have a demo, but if you want us, support us at a level, we can do this and I will give you everything. I have blood, sweat and tears to make this happen again. Love this community. From here. I'm not looking at the next carrot and jumping to another city again. We didn't pull an executive director from another community. This is my community. I love this community. I love these people. I can name half the people in the room. I will fight for this community, but you got to support me so that I have the means to do it. And I need staff, needs staff. You had a director that you hired, a relative that a lot of us wonder what that relative did. Now you guys are responsible. I voted no for that. I'm not responsible for that. You two are responsible. You were on the board and I voted no. That was one of three that voted no. So again, I always will speak with Haggarty. Well, and I would back. The one thing I would just like to say is the past. You're right, is the past. And there's been mistakes made, Bob. And I would say that we could all say that about almost anything. Stacey's the right person for the job. I think this board is very committed. We've built our board to have that buy in of all different areas so that we are talking to everyone. So we are talking about the relationship building and I'm chairing the board right now, at least for a few more months. So I I'm wholeheartedly in support.

Obviously, we're working hard to do what we can with limited staff and we'll get there. My point to all of you is please let us prove it to you. We're worth it. So we will we will bring it back. I agree with your comment, Stacey. I think you are the right person. I like your energy. I like your commitment and and I love your passion. Thank you. And what we're while I don't want to commit to 28 and 29 because I want to kind of let this play out a little bit. Work with you, work with your team of one and work, as you said, with Steve and work with Todd and work with Helen or whoever's going to be within the library. The quality of life aspects. Let's try and address what we're doing for this year. And I'm wondering if maybe what we could do is I'm because we're we're kind of splitting hairs as we're looking at this first year anyway. Right. And the rub from your perspective is, are you responsible for the $50,000? Teresa. The question I've got is, do you have a concern if we were to reallocate another 10 or $15,000 to a portion that we would have above the ten and explore, Siouxland is responsible for, say, 25. No, because right now it's proposed that they, under our proposal, it's that they be responsible for 50 based upon the numbers that are proposed. So what I'm wondering is if we back off of that 50 to say 25 try and work those numbers. We assume a responsibility to work with Saturday in the park for whatever portion we agreed to. Teresa, is there any concern that you've got with regard to the use of sales tax dollars to help support what Stacey and Barbara are proposing? No, listen, they're already at 2.83. Give them the give them the proposal she wants and make her and make them pay 25,000 of it because she's still ahead of where she would be. That's. And that's what I'm. And then we assume a responsibility to work with Saturday in the park for

our portion. It doesn't affect the 2.5. Right. Teresa. Right, right. Correct. It does not $10,000. I mean, whatever we decide above $10,000. Right. But yes. Other than that, no. So so for clarification, benchmark at 2.5. And then we're responsible for 25 to Saturday in the park versus 50. That's what I'm what I'm going off staff memo. Staff staff memo. It would it would be based on no you're proposing their memo. Correct. Right. Was suggested from Stacey off of our memo and change that in the park to 25. Correct. All three years. We're only looking at one year. One year now. Okay. So I think you're I think you're really looking at the city staff proposal with the one line item change of the Saturday in the park contribution. I think we're talking about just the if you look at what is our. Page 85. I don't know that you've got that, but our page 85 shows your proposal. Our proposal. We can compare them for fiscal year 27. The guarantee amount stays the same. The tax, the hotel motel tax, the benchmark we haven't added in the above 2.8 if that's a number that Rick wants to propose. But the the benchmark and then the explore Siouxland split above the benchmarks needs to be addressed. We look at total contribution. And then the only line item that's changed is Saturday in the park. Reduce that from 50 on our proposal to 25. Is it a net gain for them? It's 4000 $4,000. So we still can't have staff and we're going to burn out. And I'm probably going to quit. That was your okay. We'll give you your proposal. Then we'll give you your proposal. Then you have nothing to complain about. I'm not complaining. I'm trying to partner with you. Your proposal yet the 340 and are we

doing a three year. No, just going to. Okay. I still can't get staff. Well you're not. This is your proposal. I know, but it was a three year proposal. Are we going to vote for future councils? I don't have that right. There was a lot of discussion about wanting a three year proposal to have some consistency and see about staffing and such, so that's why that's why we pushed hard for that. I think we're both better off being able to reevaluate this in a year. I get the idea of trying to commit for years two and three, but I'm confident in what you're how you're going to be able to perform. And I think it will be a valuable discussion to have in a year. If so, since everything the same I was going to say keep it going to be able to hire someone if they don't have the we can't. They don't know, right? There's no way the two of us are going to do what you want us to do in a year, to have a better discussion in a year with the two of us. But you wouldn't be able to this year anyway, because this year's proposal is consistent with the funding you've had, what you're describing with an additional person or 2 or 3 would be in fiscal year 28, which wouldn't start until July of 2027. Right. So when you're talking about ramping up your team, you're not going to be able to do that for 15 months anyway with regardless of which budget we approve a little bit, I took less than any executive director we've had. So I want to work and I want this to work like that's important to me. Sioux City is important to me. I have made you act like it isn't me that bothered you. Act like this isn't important to me. That's not what I'm. That is not what I'm saying. Well, that's how you're coming across. Tourism is very important. It is okay. And we're giving you what you want. If the council. There's three of them. If three of them want to give you your budget, then they can make that motion. I made a motion. So, Rick, are you still thinking about the 2.8 to the 3.1 being

100%, or is that not. Still, my proposal was brilliant. I mean, what I'm thinking of, especially since I didn't get the three year commitment, my whole thing all along is just go out and prove it. That's what I'm saying. Just go out and sell. And I would it's all performance based. It's a lot of money. It's all about staff. So. Right. But how do you prove it? We can promise them 100%, but they can't achieve that without staff. Get a second. Make a motion because I'm going to get out of here for an hour and a half over already, guys, and we're going to spend another half an hour on this if somebody doesn't make a motion, I'm sorry, but I have a job to go do this afternoon. That's why my schedule works. I'm certainly comfortable behind because everything happened in my life right now. Let's do this. Let's just see if the votes are there or not. Let's go ahead. But the votes right now under the proposal don't necessarily include your 2.8 to 3.1 of 100%. I'm comfortable adding that to the proposal that's being made and add and add my suggestion. What's that? That was my suggestion. Yeah. And I think that's fair in light of that, because I know Stacey intended to look at your one and have comfort at yours. Two and three were covered. But this year, if if this way, if we're eliminating years two and three, having that dialog giving you a guarantee of 100% of that number above 2.8 to 3.1, I'm comfortable with. I'm comfortable with the three year. So make a motion. Well, we bring it back every single year for budget anyway. So I mean it still has to go through has to go through, right. So with with the with the city's proposal, we would be shopping the s asserting the park to 25. Right. So yes, now we're back to their proposal with the addition of the 2.8 to 3.1 at 100% and 25% for the Saturday in the park. Right, 25,000, 25,000, I'm

sorry, 25,000. If you get if you get the three one, it gets you to six and a quarter ish. I can I think you're going to come in at three. So you're probably real world probably going to come in about 480 to 510. If you do just do that right now. I'm counting on my toes. What we currently have, it looks like it'll be right around $3 million for this current the end of this current year. But again, I don't know what happened this spring, but based on our current revenues, that's what it looks like. I wouldn't mind doing a two year just because give them some stability, I don't care. Well, I was going to say that that's you know, I, I understand. Mr. Mayor I agree Mr. Mayor. I don't want to set policy for the next. We're going to review it every year. But, you know, there will be another council in two years. But let's give them some stability on the same. It is going to be. Yes, I was going to say, well, maybe not the year two guarantee still 200. Or does it go to the 225 as the city depends on what you want to do. But right now their number was the 200. Yeah. We're at we're at their proposal with the addition of the of the 2.8 to 3.1 at 100% and Saturday the park at 25,000. I'm going to move that for two years and that for two years.ka Oy. So can you explain 100% to me real quick?es Y. So over the two eight, any 2.8,ny a sales or any motel, hotel, motel tax between 2.8 and 3.1 million, they will receive 100% ofo s potentially 50%. And then anythingve or 3.1, which we hope they get to. Itoe gs back to 50% with 50%, 50%, thenk. bac Why is it that complicated? It's been moved. Anybody? Second, I seconded Y it.ep. Bertrand I.fo Rayrd this is for three years.2. 222 Okay. Shaner I Scott I don't know. Are you guyspy hap with that? I want you to be happy today when you leave. I'm very happy. I think it's I thinks it'a really good resolution. It's absolutely fair andly great appreciate all

of you. And we're going to prove it to you.al It's l good. Good luck. Have fun. Thank you. Thank O you.kay. I do want to discuss Saturday inar the pk for the city's portion of that right now with that0, 10,00 do we want to do anything with that or leave it? t Leavehe 10,000. Just leave it, okay. 10,000. Okay.ig All rht. Okay. Fuelin decreasg various fuel budgets by4. $408,73to I want quickly say on this that I know that fuelha prices ve went up, but we're using the funds that'v wee budgeted for this year that we are s under,o we should be okay. But again, things could get even crazier. We don't know. Soe I say w go for it, okay.om We need sebody to motion on that. I'll movese it cond. Rayford I Shaner I Scott, In Berenstei I Bertrand passes five zero libraryoperating page 172.ag Re 71.no Good afteron. Helen, Rigdon library director. I'm Jim Wharton, ara member. Libry board. I've been here long enough. I have to shave. What?ee It's bn a day, hasn't it? Brings backem some old mories. Yeah.t Well, I sen the memo with the request showing the reductions to the budget. Sowas thereis questiond I just h one question. You had already anticipated cuttingI 57,000.s that i in addition,s

that 100,000 in addition to j that orust added on to be added on to that total would be0 100, 100,0 Ikea total would beet okay. Let me l me say this. Whilee we've been her a long time, you know, it's been a long day for everybody, but.ss This discuion, I think has been a critical discussion for us topp have. And we areciate that. It'sod it's always go to have that dialog. And as as I reiterated last week with Helen and Jane Marie andes our board prident, we we understand things are changing. We understand what's going on witht the city inerms of the budget. We want to be your partner on that. And I think we have an opportunity to do some things. With the new director coming on board, someha visioning, see wt the library looks liked going forwarhere. And we want to be your partners on that. I do want to say to eight plus years withto Helen as our direcr, she's done an incredibley job. She onl has a month or so. Yeah, l about a month or soeft. And I just wanted to publicly acknowledge her for the work that she did. And I also wantto acknowledge n wee gotten from the City Council, as we've talked about some of h the library issuesere. Councilman Bernstein called me a week and week, tenlk days ago and taed about, you know, let'so let's figure a way s everybody comes out t on top on thishing. And Craig convened a meeting with with Mike and Craig and myself, Jane, Maureen and Helen. We talked aboutbe how we need to engaged in this whole process. And we're committedt to that. And we wan to make sure you understand that. And we want to do our part to to make sure that we'rei partners with youn this discussion. I think, if t anything, throughhis whole thing that has been very clearx is people in Siou City love the public library. We have been overwhelmed a with all of

thell of the comments that have been made. People see thelibrary asf our community, our arts community, our cultural community where O we're at right now.bviously, the main library is kind o of like the keystonef downtown Sioux City.ut We want to figure o a way to make it run more efficiently and still deliver the services we need to do. w So that's kind ofhere we're at. We y proactively came toou and said, we've identified t some things that wehink we can cutss to to help the proce along. While weat wouldn't recommend th, we could tell you, we w would tell you thate can make it work by doing some things more efficiently w around the edges, ande're willing to offer that up as aom way to show you our cmitment to what we're trying to gety. done here in Sioux Cit So with that, I just wanted to give you the opinion from somebody who serves on the library board asn to our great interest i being your partner, in making surethis lim critical part of our cmunity. Thank you. And I had a onent on one. Julie and I spe a lot of time on the I library. I thought when was appointed a termre ago, you know, is the any place quieter than the f library? Really? Can Iind any place that'sca kind of more placid and lm? Well, obviously things haveof changed and there's a lot things happening from a externally and everythingbout pressures on libraries. Ande so it's a good time to b here. Julian. Thank you. You everybody has a nice two hour talk. Aan key player in this. We thk you for that. I'm W encouraged by the dialog.e've certainly heard the emotion, and I think we understood that it existed even before.g But this has created a dialo betweennd the city and the council a you and your board. I

It's been positive dialog.t's been productive, and I look forward tor moving forward with whoevethe new director is,ve whether he or she, wherer he or she comes from,r but to listen to his or he ideas and get a sense of, of their thought process. That's really what this the dialog over the last couple of weeks has S realy been intended to do.o I'm encouragedia and I look forward to that dlog. And working with your board and working with your new director. Thank you Craig, and just an update on that. The position is closed. Now theic application, we have 4 applants, which saysio a great deal about the reputatn our library has in this community. And so we're encouraged by that. And just to f add on to, you kn, this, theuturean looking the visioning, I just wt to make sure that we get, you know, that the city knows we may have to hire a consultant that deals witha library space planning. There's lot of things that have to go into a library, you know, especially weight bearing on the floors and things. Soso I just think that might be mething they will want to look's at the board in the futu. That a d good point. Let me say somethingirectly to Councilman Bertrand as well. One of the things I think thatts that we have two sport groups with the library, the friends of the library and the Sioux City Public Library Foundation, and we need toe get them engaged a little bit mor inla terms of what the other cultural pces have talkede about, about fundraising, because w know there's a great deal of interest in what the I library does in this community, and think there's an opportunity there to engage our partners with theur foundation and the friends to fige out a way to help us on some of these things, so that I thinkt that served its

purpose. We got tha message, and we need to figure that out as well. I'll move 100,000. So I want to clarify the $100,000 is, is the proposed -100,000 correct? No. They've alreadyth proposed 57. Didn't they know e totalof expenditures are still in addition 21,000. Tell us what you're asking. So I, I want to clarify that. Okay. Well, the 57 that wasm we were hoping to regain the money fro the wick position. We cut that in half. I know that, you know, technically the money follows the employee,io but we have been paying for that positn for ten yearsn and did not receive what was promised iourat agreement. We would just like th back to fund, you know, Angie's position, the former office and facilityad superviso, and then the part time ministrative assistant or administrative secretary position. Reduced by 43. Do you want toen at this point, we've changed the complemt. There'll be changes to the.an We need to make. If they want to chge their complement, thatme has to come back to council for complent. So the complement to reflect what Helen'sge describing does not exist in the budt as stated, notin in the 27. No, it does not. It did 26f through the library. But it doesn't. As i we finish the wrap up today and approve April 16th. Whatever day it is, iten doesn't address that complement alignmt. No, we'd have to come back. Correct? Correct. Well,t. I'll let the new library director handle tha He canos make his case. Okay. But we need that pition badin because when I leave, Sara Lee's is gog to have to bee doing my job. Her job and Angie's becaus I'm doingre Angie's position now. So. Well, they we. I do want to clarify that they wereth given a full. That.

So the part time position at they have for an admin Secretary. It was recommended by the hiring committeead that . We changed that to a full time min assistant position. So though the supervisory position was not filled, we dideliminatee position. There was a full time sition for an adminpp assistant added. So that's what is all haenedct with the the complement. So that was reduion of the supervisor, reduction of the part timel admin secretary. But in addition to a ful time admin assistant down half. Yes. Okay. Because currently right now, Janet is still doing the part time secretaryho still just doing her job with additional urs's because she is handling some of the budget she or payroll andmi purchasing, but then she also is taking board nutes and helping with the agenda and stuff like that. Oura concern is with just having one person in tt office that's a busy office. We see a lot of calls and when that person's on vacation or, youen know, whatev, if they have any sick time, th there'ses nobody in our front office to answer the phon. So that's just a concern of staff's. So with that 100,000 that, I mean, that would include whatever positions or whatever you guys seeow that can cut because thats what you're proposing n, right? Is 100,000 total, total total. Yeah. 43. Really. Yeah. If we can get the budget alone,n you work out the rest of the personnel. It'sot worth. Being last. Has some advantages, Jim. We've worn you out. That's the issue. Yeah. So?r, So what s the proposal then? I'm sorry, mayo whatever is in that budget book issi staying in the budget book. The administrative asstant willav have to come back. And your new director. I'll heay to make an argument

for the personnel with the. Ok, okay, well, that means we will have to lay off a position part timego because we're not cutting it. We're not. You were ing to takewh 43 off, take that money and do your position, is at I'mou saying. So we can. Well, the part time was taken t ofan the complement, but there's a full time admin assistt position to argue with. But not necessarily thatin person's going to take that position is what I'm sayg.n But we're not cutting the funding. Basically, you ca always under fill the position with her to get the positionll reworked how you want it. So if you want to under fi it with a part time person, you can do that. But it iste filled, right? It is in the complement and it's budged for full time admin assistant position. And we don't we need to know the salary. So just so I'm clear, the proposal on theny table is that through all of this we're not doing athing, which I'm fine, but I'm just trying to figure out. So. You know, when I was a kid, I was never rewarded for bad behavior. And I just sometimes I kind of go, wow, here's where we're at. So they proposed 100ha grand. They wanted that they can do without. To me, tt's we accept their proposal of if it's -43 or whatever itrt is, that's fine. But understanding that this is the pa that gets lost. The budget that they receive from the taxpayers is 6% of the total property taxesav collecte. That gets lost somewhere in there. And we he zero oversight as a council, zero other than to hand the block over. That's fine. That's that's the process. The question was put forward and it's going to go to the next go to the newut director, which is fine, but I've not heard that come o of t anybody's mouth saying that. We understand that when we hirehe newly director, that they're going to look for somebody that probab understands thatd change is in the air, that we're probably going to be aske to look at how we can be more efficient. That's all I'm I that's all I want to hear. One of the three members of the board that are on the search committee 100%, I

understand that, totally understand that it's a new day. It is. Things have got to be a little different. We understand that the timing couldn't be any better. While we hate to see Helen leave with a new director coming in, those discussions are at the forefront. Let me ask this. You've identified $100,000 of cuts.So You've talkd about some efficiencies you've talked about. let's not go back to the start. Let's go back to what number you need. If $100,000 reduction, whether it'sth subscriptions or otherwi, is going to get you to a number atou allows you, your personnel complement in the manner in which y need to hire another person. Let's accept their proposal of $100,000. Reduction is their proposal. I agree, it's their proposal. Let's go back to that and allown them the latitude. I think you said your board was meeting i April. An hour? Yeah, in an hour. No lunch for us. I hope you're taking lunch meeting in an hour. Let's go back to their proposal and accept that. So I want to clarify the $100,000 is what the current budget, -$100,000 or this 57,000 that would allow. I need to understand that. Which are you asking? Where did 100,000 come from? That's whatIt 100,000. It's not 100,000. That complement has already been changed and approved by. That's what that turns out to be. If we can get that 64,000 back. No. So this. Yeah. So when really only cutting the 36,000. No. They're separate issues. Right. Because that's already that's included inea this budget. So te reductions that Helen's talking about are alrdy included in the proposed budget here. So if they're already included. So she's asking for the that 57 or what 67 whatever it is back 57 I think. Yep. 57 back and then reducing by 100. So really it's

only like a $36,000 reduction to what's here. Okay. With that? I'm. How is the personnel getting mixed in with this. That was already changed last September. No, this was came up when she retired. There was a hiring justification meeting committee meeting. We met. The board feels this is a very important position to the library. You know, like I said, currently I'm trying to run both it the facilities and this supervisory of the maintenance staff. But that's neither here nor there. It's just it's important. And so when it was brought up, we were told that we would address it at the budget hearings to ask to have that position put back in. It was approved by council on December 1st to change the complement. I just want to be clear. Right. And that was approved in in case it didn't come back. No, it was in December. So anything, any adjustment you make that was already approved will have an addition to this budget right now to what was proposed to you. So if you want it to be in that, you know, prior what the priorge compliment was, there will be an addition to the current proposed budt, because any of those those changes that were approved by council prior to this proposed budget coming to you are included in this budget reflect, reflected in the 100 that they're already proposing in the proposed levy amounts, right? Yep. So do we need to the mayor had a motion to leave it as is withdrawn. So he's

withdrawing. Okay. So I need another motion to determine what you want to do. I move that we accept what they've presented. The 100,000 from this current budget. So your proposed total budget will go down by $100,000. And I think that's been the dialog. We need to know what those components are as Jim and his team work through it. But that was their proposal, right? Okay. Do I have a second, a second. So, Matt, when you come next year for your budget, throw yourself on the ground, throw a tantrum, get a bunch of emails sent to us and you'll be status quo. Who are you talking about? You know, I mean, what are you talking about? I'm just saying that is that is that is, you know, what is that? No, it's not online because you understand the process that went through here. And then you're going to walk out of here with exactly what you wanted. Now clean as a whistle. Really? That's worth 100,000 short. Yeah. Minus no. You're going to be 36,000 short when it's all said and done. Not if we don't pursue that position. That's. I'm just saying it's going to be status quo which is fine. We're going to be fine. So I do take offense to that. Well, I'm sorry I took offense when I got stuff that was not accurate thrown at me. 365 while I was all I was all I was all I was all, I was always all this council asked for, all they asked for was a proposal in a discussion. That's all we asked for. And we told them we're going to have it in May. That's fine. It's great. So I told them, I wish you luck in your retirement wasn't going to be possible because I was retiring and they would have to wait. But in all fairness, we asked you for that in September. There's no way you can give a proposal for to cut a library system in three months. There's just no way ask you to cut it. We just asked you for a plan. But you have to get a consultant. You have to get

your space. We just asked you for a 30,000 foot view of what a four legged system would look like, with a smaller footprint, with a $2 million cut. We didn't give you a $2 million cut. You said it. You said it at the joint meeting. I asked for guidelines nonetheless. Nonetheless, we're okay. There's a motion. We're good, we're good. Shaner. What are we voting for again? The $100,000 reduction. What's the net? The net is 8,731,002 98, which is $100,000 in reduction of what's currently in your budget right now. 3 million. You mean this is their proposal? That's correct. Yes, yes, yes. Separate from the staff. Yes. Yes. I Scott Berenstein I Bertrand Rayford, I passes five zero. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay, we'll move on to the technical changes. Art center reducing the Art Center Association contribution by 51,788. Operating page 88. Todd Behrens, Art center Director This is just basically a correction from the budget that was originally sent to you. It was a mistake in allocation that I didn't catch until it was too late. And we discussed this at the hearing as well. Say that again, we discussed this at the initial operating budget hearing. And would these funds be used out of the 3%, 5% that we talked about this morning? Todd, that would exceed that, the use of that 3%, it would exceed the 5% if they were to stay out of the association's budget. That's why we have to correct it, because the allocation was incorrect. Something like that. City manager increasing software maintenance by 16,800

for doc access. Operating page 98. Report page 86. Economic and community development. Increasing neighborhood service budget by $12,000 in general funds for bus tickets. Operating page 106. Removing the temporary administrative. That. I'm not opposed to that, but I think there are community donate to that and we don't ever ask that to happen. I think we got on top of this, Bob, I really do. Once they we have some numbers to say, look at how many people are taking. We can we can give direction to ask them to request. Maybe we get it and we don't use the money and create a program to that point. If we do, can it reduce the $12,000 contribution? Well, what we would do is we would create an operating project, we'd stick it in the operating project, and then next year we'd see what's left in the operating project, and then we would reduce next year's funding by that. Okay. Good point, Bob. Removing the temporary administrative secretary in neighborhood services complement and reducing Cdbg revenue and expenses by 82,926. Operating page 106. Moving 4750. From parks maintenance to inspection services for graffiti supplies, operating page 199 and 111. Just to clarify this, the employee moved and we did not move their expenses inadvertently. So that's that truly is a it's a net. Yeah. Parks and rec increasing revenues in various divisions by 43,739 based on the fees approved. January 12th, operating page 192. So the book was already in print and we didn't know the fees. So that's why that wasn't included. Very good. Police department. Increasing revenues from Sioux

City Community school districts for school resource officers by 98,888. Page 227. I want to give kudos to Captain Ryan Bertrand. He went through a lot of work here through all the administrative changes. He stayed on it and he diligently worked towards this. So this was approved by them seven zero. So we're happy to ramp up a little bit. Yes. It will increase a small amount every year to school. Can do what they need to do, right? Public works increasing solid waste payment to other agencies. Account line by 472,003 31 for solid waste collection. Page 247. And increasing solid waste cart rental revenue lines by 257,786 for increased cart costs. Approved March 2nd. At this point in time, I will need a motion to incorporate all technical changes into the 27 CIP and 27 operating budgets on. On the technical change to 61 for 257 796 does. Is that number based upon the current number of second carts. So we have reason to believe that 257 will likely decrease because some people could possibly cancel. But you didn't take into account a factoring of we did not 80%. Okay. But real quick on that conversation, this I know it had a little bit of time to sink in, not to revisit it real quick. I know we're on the move, but if we wanted to make a move to that, guys take that second cart to $2 right now. But that would do is then we could make and then we could take the the different the difference and buy down the first cart. By the I mean, we could literally begin that process. And you're still at 40% on the second car. That was my whole thing when we went from two and a half to two a. But I'd rather just do it on the second cart. No, it is the second car. But is that is that if you wanted a great not even symbolism, but the real, real cost savings, including the

people in the second car you take it to and you're buying it now. But that's. I'm comfortable not overcomplicating it now. So. Well, it's real money. I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second? Scott Berenstein I Bertrand Rayford, I Chainer I and then I need a motion directing staff to balance the CIP and operating budget until you tell us what. Okay, sure. Currently with all of the changes implemented, we are at a $0 impact to residents and a decrease of $1 to businesses from our from our proposed, from our proposed. So it's still $110, $100,000 house. Correct. And 380. Everybody's gone. Yeah, yeah. There's that's the money. Kaylee. Kaylee still here $110. Kaylee gutted it out for $100,000 for residence, $384 of a reduction per $300,000 for a commercial property. Did anybody ever figure out what the average property home property value is in this? It was at 1.120 8128. So those people are looking at about $130 increase in their tax decreased decreased decreased decreased decreased decreased decreased decreased decreased $130 decrease. Haley's paying attention. So we got to make sure she reports it right. It's actually a little bit I think it's probably about 140. Go ahead. I'll move it second Scott I Bernstein I Bertrand I Rayford, I Chainer I. Thank you all very much for adjournment. Thank you to the finance. So we need to motion

to adjourn. Move to adjourn second. Nice job. Berenstein a Bertrand. Bertrand. Bertrand. Rick, do you want to leave a Rayford a Shaner I Scott. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you.