Environmental Advisory Committee - Regular Meeting

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Well, welcome everybody. Good evening. I'd like to call to order the July 8th, 2026 EAC monthly meeting. We all received the agenda in the minutes. Are there any edits, objections? I know we've had some prior to, we've had, and they've been corrected, Katie, correct? Correct, yes. And new minutes were sent out. Anything in addition to those clarifications or edits? Yes. Okay, can I have a motion to approve those notes?

I motion to approve.

Second.

All in favor? Very good. There are none. Okay, Nadia.

Hi. So I went out and I did, knocked off most of the paving program. I will update that for you. I have it on paper. Just in the same conclusion is fine.

Can you define what you just said? How many did you do?

All of them except for like four or five streets. Wow. So we got most of it. We wrapped up the 2023, 2024. So we're on the 2025. And there was like, we ran out of, we had an issue for the next person who does it. I don't know if it's I know it's going to the DPW. We had, like, sealant issues. How old is that glue?

Predates me.

Okay. Six to eight years old. It was not... So we stopped because we ran out of materials. There's still plenty of the stickers. Those are at the DPW building right now. Or somewhere. Yeah, we got off all that we could, but... We found a water main break too, I think. So it's been full and it's being integrated into the DPW paving program now. So hopefully that should just be more of an

up-to-date thing but i don't know do you want me to go and finish like the last four if we end up getting materials it's really up to you okay um the public works department can back fill those once the 26 paving program is done they can do 25 and 26 and bring that up to date um but i talked to i think maybe jeff about this we'll just be incorporating this into our paving program moving forward so once the roadways are done we'll be just putting the decals on the inlets um so that we don't need to and not that you know, the audio work was fantastic, but that we don't need to be chasing. We were all the way back to 2023 on finishing some inlets. So just to stay on top of that.

Yeah. And just one other thing. Just one other thing we noticed doing that, like some of the, um streets we went on were actually completed they just weren't marked but the way they were doing them they were like putting them on the road and they were getting knocked off just like littering the streets like decals so that might just be something to watch yeah so we thought too we'd talk about the materials and how we do them and what we buy um when a snowfall hits them consistently it's gonna they're gonna go flying eventually

So we talked about maybe changing that material, how we install them themselves. But we will continue to do this in-house.

That is great. That would be a fantastic work. Did you have any other students helping you?

No, just her and Kurt on the public works department. It was not more than a two-person job.

Okay. Wow. Okay. Well, great work.

Thank you.

Anything else, Nadia?

No, not really. I think that's probably it. Is this your last meeting? No, I have one more. I got my official move-out date. I have to leave here, be all packed out and gone, 8.30 a.m. We're leaving on the 23rd of August. So that's not bad.

Okay. So you'll be at the August meeting then? Yes. Okay. Very good. Okay. Anything else for Nadia? Thank you. Okay, on to project updates. Tree program, Audrey.

So I was not invited to the meeting, but as I understand it, the tree subcommittee has been dissolved. So we do have some advanced events planned for October 17th. So we have the tree adoption and I believe the tree tender program as well, which can hold up to 25 people. So Bernie's been forwarding me some of that information. And I believe we have a meeting scheduled online with you to talk to the tree adoption people from Tree Pittsburgh to get that.

Not finalized yet. The woman from Pittsburgh is on vacation this week.

Was on vacation. They gave a date and times when both of them were available. I know I said I was available. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

We'll finalize that. Can I ask, did you say it had been dissolved? Yes. The subcommittee? Does that affect that remarkable tree contest? No, I don't think it should. That's something separate.

Yeah, I just want to clarify what Audrey is talking about. So John Schwenton, town manager, myself and Jeff and Bernie had met to talk about the tree subcommittee. And what really came out of that was that any subcommittee of this committee is needs to consist of members of this committee. And some of the individuals on that official committee are not members of the EAC. And what I was, I had a brief conversation with Jeff and Melissa today about is a more robust volunteer network. So not necessarily folks that are making recommendations or sort of, you know, setting up programming, but things that they're doing you know might be helping uh with tree planting management of invasives trail management those types of things um so if the tree committee wants to continue to live on it can be audrey or it can be three members of this committee um that want to work on an official tree subcommittee capacity um but anybody else would be a tree volunteer um to this committee

Would a tree volunteer be allowed to, if they were to still meet with tree volunteers to come together and discuss how events would run, things like that, is that allowed? We can talk about that capacity internally.

We just want to be really clear about sort of because you've all gone through this arduous vetting process to be on the EAC, you know, you met with town council, town council made the recommendation to appoint each one of you individually. Other individuals that are volunteering that haven't gone through that same process, we want to be respectful of that structure. So that's sort of where we landed with the trees up committee.

Okay, the Remarkable Tree Program, I think as I saw the last number, there's two, but I wanted to let you know that at the Gardner Park, Liz is going to give me a large poster board of that same information that's on the website. So I'm going to have that at the Garden and Park. And I'm also going to have one for the deer program as well. Homeowners, not hunters. So hopefully we can advertise it there too. Mm-hmm.

That's all I have.

Okay. Anything else for Audrey? Okay. Rain Gordon, any updates there, too?

There's just a lot of work going on back there. I have been a little afraid to... It's blocked off. They're doing some kind of paving something or other. I think they're widening the road over there, so I haven't attempted to go back there.

I think they're doing some paving. Mm-hmm.

There's a lot of heavy construction equipment going around it. And I'm just staying away right now. So that's the biggest thing. It's not, I've been doing other things that are native plant related. Like we had the tour we had for pollinator week. I put together some information, but that's not exactly what, with rain garden.

So back to that, but, but with rain guard, do you think that we need, do you, do you foresee us having a volunteer day at any time?

I would like to, it's just, I. Yeah, not, not, not right now. And it's one of those things where I think as we, um, Yeah. As things clear up back there, I can take a look and say, like, is there enough work back here? Because I've heard from a couple of people that they would like to do some kind of invasive work. As far as volunteer network, I even had somebody reach out to me today like, hey, you know, I'd be interested in doing some work. So, yes, I would like to do some more things back there. So things clear up.

Katie, do you know the time frame?

We are waiting for Shields to finish paving back there. We're widening that driveway so that two cars can pass.

And there was some sink, not sinkhole, I don't want to use that word.

There was some uneven spots behind MFPA that the stormwater was causing some issues that Public Works is addressing right now while we're back there. But certainly I can keep you abreast of time frame and when we'll be done and when we'll be out of there, something could be set up.

Just don't use the S word.

Yeah, there's not a single, I promise you. Not there.

So, okay, so we will, you know, we'll obviously wait for that work to be done. Then we can talk about, you know, next meeting, we can come and talk about, you know, what that looks like. And then also we have been, you know, Katie and Melissa and I were just talking about how to build that volunteer network and build something, you know, so you're not just out there doing it by yourself and talking to a person here and a person there, how we can sort of formalize that process better. So we can get you a troop of people.

Yes, and I have a couple people that have expressed interest, some people who did it before that I can pull back in.

Have you been, like, historically, you've been organizing that yourself, like the group of volunteers?

There was, yes, there were a couple events here and there, but it's... It was a little bit difficult, and it's hard to plan when there's other events going on around the same time. So when we have trash pickup or something in the spring, that makes it difficult. It's like, well, then I need to find additional volunteers.

People that want to come back out.

Okay.

Yep.

Joanne, what I'm hearing is we already have existing rain gardens. Yes. For people who want to come and work on them. Yes, come and do maintenance on them. Do we also have, like, ideas for people to do their own rain gardens on their property? Excuse me, on their property or something?

As far as I know, we haven't advertised information about how to do it. Yeah.

It might be worth having, like... Oh, because I know there's a couple of like native landscape people or something for like putting like and how to and the types of plants you want and where you would do and like how to dig out. Right. Because I was completely inspired by that walk.

That was a great walk.

Thank you. I wish I could have been there. I saw the pictures. That should be something that could be highlighted on the McCandless social media feed.

I know that Liz said that she was going to be going out at a separate date to take some pictures and videos and things.

I did have a question about that. So if like four people from the committee wanted to go on that tour, we couldn't do that because that's a committee meeting?

We talked about that earlier. A couple of times. So John, Trend, and I had had some concerns about having a quorum present at the garden tour because we never want to give the impression that there's potential for deliberation to take place or recommendations to take place. There is, in doing further research, there's a provision of the Sunshine Act that allows for work sessions or sort of conferences for training. So in the future, unfortunately, that didn't come together. But in the future, we're comfortable couching that as a work training session.

Okay, because we had also talked about like walking through some of the park.

That's training because we need to know like what to recommend. We need to see the spot, right?

so we will couch those that way we're comfortable doing that we have no problem doing that we will say those are working sessions if that discussion would ever come up not something that would be publicly advertised not something that would address wouldn't appear so yes thank you for pointing that out and unfortunately that had happened the way it did and I apologize for those that wanted to attend but couldn't but again if she would be willing to do it again or at a different time or maybe in the fall or something like that we can certainly make that happen

Yeah, but like maybe not like quite a workshop, but like a training session for like one of our quarterly talks or whatever at the library.

And she was discussing doing something like that for us to possibly in the spring.

Great time to do it. Fun to do it quarterly, seasonally.

Yeah, and if we do, when we do the walk or when we do something like that again, then anything that we take away from that that we want to advise council or we want to, we'll bring it to this meeting. So that's where we'll have that conversation in this forum.

That's okay. The way I've always seen it is we've always promoted groups to get together to go through different, whatever aspect of things, but there's never any way we can do anything is if we bring it forward here and vote on it, and then it goes to council. That's, that's the... having education sessions outside is the only way that gives board members a chance, council committee members a chance to get to know each other better and share ideas and things like that. That's the way I've always approached it.

Wonderful. Okay, good. So with rain gardens, then we'll pick it back up next meeting. Yes. We'll try to get something going. So we have at least one, you know, at least one working session on a rain garden.

I would like that, yes.

Okay, wonderful. Okay, anything else for Joanna? Carrie, climate action plan.

So you have us met last week, was that only last week to discuss the climate action plan and follow up steps. We're going to be coming together again next Wednesday to proceed based on information that we're researching on our own in the meantime. Any of you three have anything to ask that before? yeah you had mentioned that the summer student yes okay bring that one up next so jeff and i actually attended a follow-up to the lcap program with the university of morning state college yesterday they gave us options on how you can continue to get help from them as well as a couple other resources past the lcap program so we took some notes and we'll be able to consider implementing some of their other use cases to help the town progress some of these initiatives and other similar ones whether we're putting a focus on energy conservation solar or other things later on there's a lot of really great resources there had the offer from our LCAP student who's on a summer break right now and has the ability to help us. So we're going to reach out to ask you, Jeff, are you okay with the three of us meeting with her? If you want to still be welcome back since we're limited.

Oh no, you guys, you guys need, yeah, absolutely. That's great.

I'm going to follow up with Peter and we're going to get some time on the calendar.

We'll have weekly meetings with her again to keep her involved with these step processes. What a huge win. What a huge win for McCann. That is great news.

And on that note, one thing that this program is also able to do for us moving forward, if we wanted an intern from their team to help us with other projects, there's opportunities for that. That's great. If there's different studies we want to do, like feasibility studies for solar or for charging station or things like that, there's different sets of students who can help with that. There was like a whole list. So Jeff took better notes than me. I was unfortunately at work and could not put full focus, but they did send a recording as well. So I'll share that out to all of you in case you're not watching, but it has a lot. So Melissa, they had just reached out to you and said, if you're looking for next guidance on next steps.

As we participated in the program. Right.

So even if we don't want to use their resources right now, two to three years down the road, we can reach out again and they're going to be here to support. Oh, that's great. That's awesome.

That's wonderful. They're not like, here's your plan, bye. Okay, that's great.

Oh no, and we can't say that either. They won't let us do that. We have a relationship with them that is ongoing with Penn State and also with the DEP. And DEP also mentioned that, you know, there are other universities in the area that have programs that they could put us in contact with. For example, CHAT, I believe, has a growing program that if we wanted to partner with somebody locally, because I said, well, is this just Penn State specific? No, you can partner with somebody else locally in case we can't. That's a sustainability.

Yeah.

OK. Now, the other question I want to ask is that. Were you a member, Carmen, was your group a member of ICLEI when you were?

I don't know. It's in Pennsylvania.

Is that only Pennsylvania? Yeah. Okay, good.

That is something.

to discuss with the topic or something.

I don't think we represent that.

Yeah, we have a free membership. Yeah, we have one year free membership. And it's something you could take it for a spin, but yes. OK, what is it, Clay?

So it does several different things. But the primary purpose that we were involved with was for capturing all of our greenhouse gas information for data collection reporting. But they gave us a little spiel about a bunch of other ways that they can provide resources. Trying to sell the program.

Yeah.

But it is a really, really neat tool, and it makes data collection and trending much easier than doing it on our own. Their Excel spreadsheet, that's what I'm hearing. Yeah, sure. It is I-C-L-E-I. And I would just say that if we build the case and we have

the green light to move toward platinum, this would probably be a tool. It's $1,800 to join. It might be a tool that we might suggest that could help us in the reduction of greenhouse gas.

Is that an annual fee or a one-time fee?

It's an annual fee.

Yeah, okay.

But we don't get too much into it. But I also, I don't think we're ready for that at this point. I think that would be down the road. But I will send you all that recording so that if you wanted to learn more as well.

Okay, great. Anything else on that list? Anything else for Melissa? All right. Wonderful. Okay. Community outreach. So the productive... Joanna, you had talked about the productive ecological garden. Yes. I know that now we're talking about the other thing in spring, but more recent and specific. Did you want to continue to pursue that?

We are, I believe, continuing to pursue it. He's been very slow getting back. And I did also... hand off some of the communication to, I know Liz wanted his information as well to coordinate with him. I don't know where things went on her end as well. I was literally about to get on an airplane when I said that to her. So things just kind of dropped off at that point. I don't know if you guys have run into the same problem of he just doesn't respond for a while.

Okay. So he's just slow to respond. He's the easiest to connect with him. Okay. Yes.

But he has something kind of put together and ready. It's just setting a date.

Okay. So we can see maybe when the HTC is available. That's what I'm thinking. And then sometime in August. Okay. Maybe guess when his schedule. Depending on when he gets back to me. Yes. Okay.

Okay. So just to sort of take a step back. So we have had so far this year, we've had the tree. Somebody else help me out here. So we've had... We've had a tree session. We've had one or two tree sessions. Just one. Just one. What other speakers have we had?

Was it?

Yeah. Okay. So, yeah.

So, was it in the last year we had the, you know, A biologist with a computer.

Right, yeah. But in 2026, so far, we've only had one.

So we've had, there was a speaker series on March 5th for trees. On Saturday, March 7th, we had a tree municipality gathering event. We had Friday, March 20th, a volunteer opportunity for tree adoption kit building. We had Sunday, March 22nd, McCann's 175th tree event for adoption kit. We had the roads like, you know.

Yeah, but speakers, we really only had one, I feel like.

Yeah, that's the only speaker series.

Okay, so we should really try to get another one. And I don't mean just to click a box. I mean, to get a good, you know, something that people are interested in, and then we should shoot for something for the fall. Well, the fall, we'll have the tree tenders class. So we're only shooting for that October 17th. And that would be quality to residents. Okay.

But that one is capped. That is the one thing that's a little hard with tree tenders. You can only have so many where... 25 people. Yeah, 25 people where something like an educational speaker, you can have a little bit more. So hopefully if John comes through, that would be nice too to have that additional. Just need people to respond to emails.

Okay. Have we tried carrier pitching?

Not recently. They've been a little hard to get a hold of.

Okay. OK. So if we don't have the response from John, what's our plan B for education this year?

I have a list of people that were recommended to me, but Archie, but we haven't moved forward with any of those people yet.

Yeah. What you're, what you're talking about is you're talking about the indoor air quality and Bernie has mentioned that she doesn't see that happening this year.

Well, there's also the bird. I was going to say the bird town with the Audubon speaker, things like that.

Yes. Yes. So, so So maybe what I should do is maybe I should move forward with the Autobahn to see if we can put something together for that. Yes.

Okay. There's a rule we always avoided summertime because it's just really hard to get people there. Okay. So things were in the winter, spring, and fall. Okay.

I also have that one resident who reached out who was at the... the bird curator for- I was going to say, you work for the Audubon Society.

That's Jonathan Rice. Okay. If Jonathan Rice is listening. That's Jonathan Rice, and he will absolutely do our annual migratory bird walk. Awesome. So that is a requirement of BirdTone, and he will be doing that. And when we get to it, when we talk about a walk on Potter or Pontiac Park or both, I want to invite John so he knows what he's talking about. So if he's going to do this walk, he wants to know. It doesn't want to be the first time he's seeing this park. So I don't know that I'm looking for him to be a speaker. I'm looking for him to be an active walking participant. Yeah, so let me pursue the bird tone just to maybe, maybe it's from the Audubon Society telling people what bird tone is, something like that.

There's also, Melville did one where they had bird brought to the event too, the rehabilitation bird, as they were talking about things you could do. Okay. There's a lot of fun.

Okay, great. I will root forward on that. So you'll take that? Yeah, I will take that. Okay. Indoor air quality. Bernie's already said that that won't happen this year. Moving on to garden and park. So that is July 25th. That will be before the next meeting. I will be there. I will have a large... What is it? Poster board. Thank you for the remarkable tree program. I will have one for the residents to sign up their property for deer. And I will have a lot of bird tone information for backyard habitats and different things like that. So I'll have that. And I'll just have some other stuff. It's never something that you need to be overly aggressive about because all they want to do is talk about deer. And Ken, will you be there? Ken, he's the only guy they want to talk to.

I'll talk to two people. He'll talk to 30 people.

So as long as Ken's there and I'm there just to, you know, sort of in a bottle of water, we'll be good. So if anybody wants to join us, you're certainly welcome. And, you know, if you don't join us, then please, you know, just stop by and join the Garden Park.

Last year, I talked to 37 people, and 36 of them thought we had a deer problem, and the 37th one had already lived in the canvas for two weeks. And they weren't aware yet?

They still thought they were cute. Oh. Ask them to share. And I will get a hold of Abby because she provides the tent and all the table and all that kind of stuff. So I will talk to her about that, Katie. Okay. Thank you. Okay. That's Gardner Park, July 25th. National Night Out. August 4th. So again, before the next meeting, this is a little bit squirrely, but National Night Out, and please remind me, Melissa, that's just, we just stand up, right? Information. Was that that or Community Day?

I think it was both. We did it at both, but you and I were at National Night Out three hours last year.

That's right.

Do you know the hours for National Night Out this year?

It is 5... Two, seven question mark. Either five to seven or five to eight. I think it's five to seven. Tuesday.

Yep. We're here.

OK, so so with that, I will have information. So we know that we have a booth. Correct. And, you know, we'll just put down information. We'll talk to people because it's really an introduction of, you know, who we are. But there'll be a lot of there's always a lot of kids. So, yeah, well, so we'll have to have something. And I'll just brainstorm.

I mean, let's do the spinning wheel again. I think last time we didn't have enough diversity.

Yeah, right, right, right, right. Okay, so Joanna, why don't I get together with you? We could talk about the graphics for the spinning wheel.

Sure, let me know what you need and cut that out and laminate it again.

I'm able to help out.

I don't know if it's able to be there.

I don't think I'll be able to be there, but if you want, like, prizes for, like, a game, I have a large amount that were supposed to go to my work that didn't. So if you'd like them, I have a bag. What are they? Like, little stuffed animals, little, like, pool toys, like, bat bars. Oh, wonderful.

Perfect prize for a kid.

Yeah. Love that.

Yeah, we gave out squishies the last couple of years, but then I heard that, like, they... they can explode or something like that because they have oil in them.

So they're just, we were giving out work too bad. Some of them though. Yes. Yeah.

I don't think that would look good on us.

Can you drop your prizes down to here sooner than later? Then I'll see if we think that we need another 50 of something. I'll get that.

Are you going to be there this year too? I will be. Anybody else want to be there too? I could probably be there.

It's sort of fun. A couple hours. A lot of people milling around. Okay, good. So now it looks like we have Me and Melissa and Audrey. Okay. All right. So that is National Night Out. Wonderful. Lastly, Allegheny County is in the throes of finalizing their climate action plan. They are in phase three, which is focused on analyzing data, building and strengthening partnerships. Originally through one of the Rachel Carson Eco Village members, she said, hey, I attended this and they're looking for communities to sponsor you know, sort of like they would come in here and they would introduce to the township of McCandless, town of McCandless, their climate action plan and get feedback. Well, what I've since learned is I've seen that their schedule and they have other things scheduled and they will be at garden or park. So I don't know at this point that I would say, you know, we need to, you know, get behind that and ask for time. And I think that they have enough, you know, they're out there, their vision is getting set out other ways.

So that's just talking about the program? That's talking about their climate action plan, much like what we did.

But what they're doing is they're going around to different places in Allegheny County and soliciting feedback.

A survey.

Yeah.

Because, Carmen, you had mentioned that they're actually looking to start implementing projects as well. Right. Well, when I attended the...

Okay. I did not. So, yeah, please.

I forget what you called it. The thing that they had on the line. And what I understood was that they were looking for that they wanted to present it. They want as much unity behind this as they could possibly get. And I was really, I was impressed. They have, you know, very set goals and they have, um, they have very clear definitions of what they want to do and when they want to do it. So, um, What I could not understand, and I would like to talk to her more about this, is what are they looking for from other jurisdictions? I know that there are some towns, and I don't know which ones, that have partnered on with them. So are their goals also that town's goals? Because it's already set up to be very measurable, very concrete actions that they can find. So I don't really quite understand what they're looking for. But I'd like to reach out to her and see if, and then I don't know if we want to have them come in and give us that. I don't know how to do those things here. Is that like, can we have them come in?

We could, but I guess what I'm saying is that I've realized that they're going to be in the community at Gardner Park. They are going to have a booth and they will have, they will have like-minded people coming in and asking them questions. So that's an outreach for them. And there's other places I've seen on their schedule that there's outreaches. And I didn't know that that was something that we were prepared to sort of sponsor at this point because they're going to be right down the street.

Okay. I'm not sure what, when you say sponsor, I'm not sure exactly how you mean.

Well, just saying, yeah, well, I understand that, you know, saying that we're, you know, Allegheny County, we have, we have the, the, We have asked Township Management to have a room for you. We've sent out, you know, we've made our room available to you. We're asking our citizens to join in some way, something like that. I just don't know that we can take that office.

Okay.

Yeah.

This is a weird historic thing. We used to have three air monitoring stations in Allegheny County. The one was by the springdale hope our plan, the one was by the. Where they make the coke oven over in clarington and the third one was where the all the buses idle down at the at the point, and when I questioned why he shows his response said there's a lot of grant money available if we have bad air. So pick areas that were not necessarily representative of the county, but that's 20 some years ago. So I don't know if that's still. Did they get the grant money?

The air seems cleaner now than it was 20 years ago, probably.

So I think the question is for this committee is because I don't do it in a vacuum. Do we want to pursue sponsoring this for Allegheny County or do we want to?

I think we need more information. I would like to talk to her and see what is that. What are they looking for? Exactly. That's great. And precisely. And what it means for us to take on that role.

Yeah, because it seems like if they are having a cap and going to put a plan in place to improve things, like partnering with them at that stage would be great. I agree that I don't necessarily know that we need to host a meeting to talk about what their plan is. If anybody here is interested, their presentation slides are on their website. So you can download them.

Like I said, I was pretty depressed. They seem to have real estate goals and concrete things to do. So it would help us and it would help them. But let me talk to them and see what it is specifically.

And maybe that's something you guys want to talk about in your subcommittee.

Yeah, we've talked a little bit about it.

OK, bye. OK, wonderful. Anything else about that? RICK MACLENNAN I will give that. RICK MACLENNAN I will give that. Jeff, Melissa, and Liz had a call to PA Audubon on June 18th. So that was with Nick from PA Audubon. And it really did give us, it clarified a lot about what we should be doing. We changed the committee a little bit. Liz changed some of the names. We have formalized that in a better way. We understand what the requirements are to move up. And in fact, we're green right now. And, you know, based on everything that we're doing and the information that we gave them in our application, he said that we could probably skip bronze to go to silver. So it's green, bronze, silver, gold. So at this point, we might qualify for that. But now we know how to do that. And, you know, bird talent is one of those things again. where I don't want to be acting in a vacuum and I'm sitting on a website. We'll have to think about how we want to input the work that we're doing in this community how we want to answer their questions and how we want to sort of, you know, play inside their site.

And I would say, I don't want to give more work to anybody, Katie, but this is something where it might be really beneficial to have somebody from the town as like the primary person, but then we support with getting the answers pulled together. But just from a McCandless ownership perspective would be valuable.

Yeah. Like it would be nice to have, nice to have that. And then just like John Bogarski and I worked on sustainability, we, you know, it was me from the EAC and then John and sort of, we came with the EAC side, but then John found the answers internally and put it into, you know, that type of thing. So we could have Liz and whatever, whatever that takes, but a small, you know, subcommittee of people that have ownership for that would be good. Um, We were awarded a $1,000 grant from Pittsburgh Foundation. I mentioned that last time. When we do our walks, we can determine how we want to spend that. We can also apply for an additional Bertone PA $1,000 mini grant. So, Katie, how would we – we would have to apply – This is different. This is an additional $1,000. Yeah. And so I clarified with Nick and I said, Nick, is this the same one? He goes, no, this is from Bird, Tone, PA, Heidi Shriver, and you should apply for that. So I know that you are a grant person. Would you like me to forward that to you? Please. Okay, good. Okay. Liz was, was good enough to, uh, build our homepage, um, for McCandless. And, um, she, she added, you know, uh, some events, um, we can add accomplishments, we can do different things like that. So, um, Again, the only thing, last thing I would say is that we need to continue to keep track of all volunteer number. I actually responded, Birdtown Newsletter was looking for information from Birdtown of some things that they've done already this year. And I forwarded her the roadside cleanup, the number of volunteers, the number of bags. And she said, fantastic. So our volunteer numbers are really, because of that. And again, Audrey, anything tree, related to volunteer, you know, we should keep track of that. And there was a, do we, do we have that on the SharePoint yet?

Oh, I don't know if we saved. I'll get that up there.

Okay. And I, okay. Okay. So that's all we'll keep track of that. We, we, we will need to schedule a bird walk in the fall with Jonathan Rice. Hopefully we'll be, you know, still committed to it. And we can discuss that at a future meeting. So that is one of the requirements of bird tone and we'll do that next week.

Don't forget litotomy also. They have a big boat bird program. They've been doing the migrating bird and all of that for many years. So you can take advantage of their experience on that.

Yeah.

Yeah, they have the Christmas bird count and a couple other bird counts.

I was just at a birding class with them a week or two ago.

That's cool. Okay. Okay, very good. So catch basin project, we've already had Nadia's update on that. So we're good with that. um, Department of Conservation grant ideas. I did mention the additional $1,000, which we'll send to Katie. Anything else, Katie, from that standpoint, or anybody else seeing any grant opportunities?

If you see them, send them my way. They'll have to be Department of Conservation, but if there's something that you see out there that you're interested in or think could benefit the town, please send it to me so we can at least take a look at it.

Okay. Um, so, um potter and pontiac park walks i just think that you know don't you want us with that new members i think well which should be added in there too okay um yeah um that's a lot for one day that's a lot for one day that's the only the only thing about that so we can do that and we can uh carmen we can we have a trail that can uh designed and and help build and so forth um And it's, you know, 0.93 miles that goes through Walpark Red Trail. So we'll have to block that at some point so you see.

It just goes through one side of the, most of the acreage is actually on the other side of the creek from where that trail is.

You couldn't find seven hundredths of a trail?

You couldn't find seven hundredths of a trail?

The way I put it together, it would be, but it was one of the people working on it decided to take a few shortcuts.

Oh, OK.

So I'd like to like to revisit open days on at least going Pontiac Park. And Jack, have you been to Pontiac Park? I've driven by it. How long would it take us to walk? Potter's an hour and a half or so. Pontiac's like tiny. Yeah, right. That's what I thought. So it's not a big commitment. I think it's one of our pocket parks. Yeah. I think we're talking about two hours on a Saturday morning.

How many acres is that?

I can't recall off the top of my head.

Very small. There's not really trails on it or anything. It's just a former field site. We mow it right now. What are these?

They're just little parks?

So Pontiac Park is an upcoming project the town will be doing. I've mastered the skill of explaining where it is, so don't worry.

Wall Park's about 60 acres, and Potter Park, with the addition to it, is probably around third. And they're new parks. That's great. They've been existing parks, just nothing's been done to them.

Wall Park is actually not as new. It's in my district. So this is CCAC North. That's the 19th North Apartments. And this track of land here will be Pontiac Park.

And that's going to be like a playground area. Yeah. Oh, cool. Accessible.

Accessible. Great choice. Sorry for.

These are the types of things. So we all agree that that we should walk. I mean, if we're going to if the AC is going to, you know, have some advisement on these parks. These very raw, you know, parks and also if we're thinking about Eagle stop projects or boys got projects. or community projects, volunteer projects, we need to walk these properties and at least come back to this meeting and say, you know, this is something that we see opportunities for. And everybody's agreement that we should be doing this? Okay, good. And so do we want to do this? I think, I mean, we certainly want to do it before October because that's going to be the migratory bird walk Do we want me to sort of go and find out open dates for everybody for two hours on a Saturday morning?

This is a rough time of the year. Was it hot in the bugs and the weeds?

Yeah, September. I don't mind September, but we have to commit to it, though. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. Can we kind of bundle into the discussion we have afterwards? And I don't know if it's possible, but I know like kind of there are some areas that are like large that are mowed. And I'm curious, would it be possible to potentially convert some of that to meadow? Because I'm curious. would it end up being less maintenance in the future if you no longer have to mow some of those large areas? Sometimes they still mow like once or twice a year, but it's not.

But not like every couple of weeks or whatever. That's why they gave Joanna the contact with the county because the county's been having an active program in all their county parks, a couple of the meadow programs here. And so they've already got the expertise and all of that. There's no, they can say this is how to do it. Right. Excellent. Yeah.

So am I leaving Parkwalk's date planning on the agenda for next month? Then we'll discuss the September date.

Yes.

Yes.

So there's too many spider webs in the woods now.

Just make you go first.

Oops, did I say that out loud? The stick. I always have a stick.

That in Florida.

Walked into too many spider webs.

There's one church right there.

Okay, so...

Very good. That's on next time. And okay. So moving on. Nadia, thank you for the tip.

Yeah. So the holiday.

Very nice. August McMail tip. What can we do with August McMail tip?

What have we done in the past?

But in doubt, bees.

We just bee'd. I know. All bees on time. Bugs, guys.

That's what I mean. We've got so many, anything that blows out, just milkweed. We can do monarchs. So I finally saw a monarch this morning. Nice. The bumblebees and all of that, they attract a lot of pollinators.

Historically, August, we've done e-waste of tree planting, wildlife, not feeding them, garden tips. Two years we did invasive plants and two years we did stormwater.

Struck your fancy.

I don't have the time.

So, um, Yeah, I still I don't think we've touched on recycling or anything like that lately.

I would love to have a recycling tips and just tell my neighbors to not put the recycling in a trash bag. You want to take that?

Yeah. And, you know, I was just at any event you go to this. This is just a. I just, I don't understand why we can't recycle more. It's just, it's so, it's so frustrating. And even if you attempt to, maybe if you put things on like community day or national night out or whatever that it is, it's just, it's just, it's going to be tainted. You're going to, you know, you're going to find a hoagie and a, you know, and a blue recycling thing. And we just can't get, can't win that battle. And I think that somehow along the way, we have to be able to educate people better. We have to, that's one of the wins I'd really like to come away with.

I think a good thing to put in there, just like talking to people I know, like I feel like within the past 10 years, a lot of the mechanical specific and like the, whatever waste company we work with has kind of like changed. I'm like pizza boxes. Yeah. Recycle them. And then two years later, don't recycle it again. And I'm like, glass, that's fine. Do it.

Backup consistency.

It would be great if you could just put in like, these are the things you can, these are the things you can't. And just like a clear. updated.

We all sent out a mailer at the end of the year. Cheat sheet. I actually printed out and hang it right above my recycling.

That sounds like the basis for the thing is to get that cheat sheet and just make that into the link for that.

Do you want to tackle it?

Especially since we're going more towards visuals, that's something I have a background in and I can use Canva myself. So I could do a little bit to try to help with that on that side.

It already exists. Sometimes management has one out there.

Mm-hmm, yeah. And we'll tie in with our National Night Out spinning wheel.

That's actually really good. Absolutely. Do we have a copy of the cheat sheet somewhere? I can get you one, yeah.

And I have it in my box of goodies for these things. So we should do that. And maybe a reminder of Now we take five and glass is highly recyclable and things like that.

It's not really about the person, it's more about the shapes. Yeah, that's true.

Very different. If you haven't done the tour down at Neville Island, it's amazing. They actually have the AI involved that hits it with a puff of air and kicks it over this way. And it's just pretty amazing to watch.

And I don't know if it's appropriate, so I'll ask the question. Just in talking about educating people, at some point, I think if we could put together a list of little kid books that are centered on the environment and bees and that.

Oh, no. You don't know what you've just put on us.

Yes, I could do something like that.

You don't have to help with something like that. What we do have is we have coloring books. for litter. And we have something else from Arvid Venkat's office on something else. I think there's another coloring book on something.

But we've been using the same ones. These are books if you want to introduce your kid to these. These are some really fun books.

It'd be great to do that in conjunction with the library, too. I think so. That's what I was going to tell them, like, hey, we want to do this. We want to promote the library, the circulation at Northland. I've reached out to them for lots of different things.

Their children's librarians are fantastic. Perfect.

So maybe even like before school starts, you know, this is the school thing for September school started. Do you have any two tips now? No. I feel like a volunteer.

So I feel PA has, and I can't think what the name of their little program is.

you know, they might have this available. They might have these coloring books that you speak of. Oh, that's litter. You're talking about, you're talking about general books.

You know, a whole bunch. Why shouldn't you litter? And why shouldn't you, why should you promote bees? And what about the butterflies? And, You'd be good at that.

DEP, maybe DEP has children's. Sure, the library.

The Tree Pittsburgh also I know has some education that's directly targeted towards children. So they might have some resources also. Oh, cool.

Okay. I'm going to actually look on the PADP site and see if there's anything for kids that you're thinking about. Thank you. Chair, anybody, anything else we haven't shared from our outreaches or relationships?

I can circle back to the social media post on pollinators. That did very well. I was really pleased with how it all came together. I don't know if anybody has seen it. But it's very cool. And it's all my own pictures, which was really cool, too.

Was it the Liz thing on Instagram?

Yeah, it was on, and it had, like, a B, and that was not mine. And everything else was, like, those were all my photographs. So, and then I wrote little captions for things. It was neat.

Okay. Next is the EAC homepage. I don't want to call it a homepage, sort of the additional pages in the mission statement. And Audrey, you had put together something. I am, I am, I mean, I started getting into it because once you start getting into it, you can't not get into it. So I started getting into it. I started realizing that here I am looking at, you know, your work, which is the basis for what I was doing. And, and I'm sort of picking away and I'm doing this and I'm thinking, we probably need a little subcommittee on this. And I think that, you know, you have a lot of things going on. So, I mean, you know, I would like to be involved in that. I think that we can, I think there's so much we can do with this and Liz should help us. And, you know, anybody who else has experience. Yeah. You know, how do you, how do you feel about that? If we sort of took that away and ran with a little bit.

That's fine.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I sent it to Liz like two weeks ago and I haven't heard any feedback. So, I mean, if somebody wants to take that on and revise, it's just a starting point.

Yeah, I think you built a foundation and I found myself adding on to this and adding on to that and adding on to this. And I just thought, here I am sitting here doing this by myself. We should probably, I should do this with other people. So you have so much that I'd like to sort of move forward with that if you're okay with that.

Sure.

Okay.

And then we would bring it back to this group.

Absolutely. Oh yeah. Yeah. This is, this is a project. This is a work in progress. Yeah. Okay.

I'm going to have that to the conception.

Yes. Mm-hmm. And Katie, are you okay? I mean, Liz obviously would have a lot to do with that.

Yeah, I think so. Liz sort of built that initial document that she had sent Audrey based on like looking at Pine, looking at Franklin, sort of looking at these web pages, that general information is out there. And then we can take that and refine that however you would like.

That's great. Very good. We're getting places here. Regional EAC meeting, which is next week, the 16th at Marshall. I will be there. Anybody else is welcome. Okay. Melissa will be there. Nobody needs to commit, but everybody's welcome. And it's always, you were at the last one.

I do have a question on that. Is everybody welcome to that one? Yeah.

i was gonna say if we all run into each other at the grocery store this better um did we figure out what building that's in okay i'll i'll i'll find out i'll flesh that out and i'll send it to everybody yeah okay is that the meaning of all the eac from the north they've been valuable in the past where

Other townships have figured out how to do something and we can learn from them and so forth. It's a good networking.

We only did our first one a couple months ago.

It's only been recent, but it's been reactivated.

Yeah, apparently it used to exist. And I know Marshall is a new EAC. We feel old.

I was around when we did all that.

Fantastic.

Yeah, we need you to keep doing that. So, yeah, so it is very, very useful. We will be there. The last one was at Pine and we, you know, we came away. I thought everybody thought that was great value. So we'll, we'll, we'll do it again. Pretty easy stuff.

And that's at six.

It's it's it. I'll send the email back up.

Thanks. Sorry. I didn't put that in my calendar. It is, oh, I said that's seven. Okay. Seven is probably.

Yes, I'll verify through them and make sure nothing's changed or anything like that. Okay.

And you'll set the address.

I will. So there is a We Can Serve PA 2026 EAC conference. It's in October 24th. This is just to build up this in Fort Washington, PA from 830 to 3. OK, we're not committed to that yet. It is in Fort Washington, which is. It's outside of Philly.

Philly. Yeah.

Yeah. So pretty good ride. But that conference in there, it's an EAC conference and they are saying, you know, please come, please come, please come. Prior to that, they are asking all EACs in the network, PA network to, if they want to submit a session proposal, it would have to be by July 24th. So it would be one of us saying, yes, we want to take this on and propose that we do something. So I'm just throwing it off to the group. I'm not going to put together a session proposal, but if somebody else feels strongly about that, please let me know if they want to do that. But my guess is that if you do that, then you're saying that you want to be also going to the conference in October.

And they did also say the majority of EACs in the state are located on that side, but they are going to hold events over on the side at some point now that they know there are several.

It is, and from having been on boards that we... dealt that way. Once you get on the other side of Harrisburg, it's how things are done and what is done is very different. And they don't understand us and they didn't understand them.

The green men don't understand the blue men. So, and some of the ones that basically, you know, they said, you know, data centers, sustainability, communication, and public relations, future proofing municipal codes through sustainable zoning, measuring success. I mean, those are all, you know, great. I mean, those are great sessions. But I don't know that I'm able to speak to any of them. I wouldn't suggest that I could.

They have them on Saturday?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so it's like a conference, essentially. It's a pretty long ride over there. It's not a one day. You could take a train, though. Go around the horseshoe bed. Do you know how much you can knit on that train?

A lot. every two weeks for allergy testing.

They're very aggressive with their allergy testing. So we hike up there. My daughter hikes up there.

Someone could fly to Philly.

We have a Pittsburgh Philly flight. Yeah.

And so, you know, what we'll do is, you know, again, if anybody is interested in submitting a session proposal, just let me know. But beyond that, we can talk about the, you know, the conference. And, you know, as we can close it October in case maybe it's convenient for you or something.

Something to throw out there when we're talking about going over on the other side of Harrisburg. Hawk Mountain is... internationally known for the migrating birds. And so, you know, when we're talking about bird town and things like that, maybe trying to organize a trip to interested people to go over there. I mean, I was over there in the spring one year. One of the most impressive things I've ever seen, a goshawk, you know, they were migrating back up. So it's down in the valley and just watching that bird work its way up over a 600 foot elevation change and flying like 20 feet over top of you. I mean, it just still sends chills. Just amazing to watch. And in the fall, you've got all the migrating birds and you've got a lot of people that are very knowledgeable. So it's a really worthwhile trip if we do something like that.

Okay. Are we allowed to sponsor trips?

No. Yeah.

The other... Okay. So moving on then, town information. So report from town council.

Nothing too significant. I guess I'll reiterate what I said. What I've said before is that try to lobby the EAC committee. I think... A majority of account. I think all the councilman actually members of council would like to see other action with other communities and controlling gear like looking because we can't do it on our own, but we'd like to see other communities take action as well.

I've been talking with the autonomy and I talked to well she's now the Parks manager for all the county parks. She's says that's above her weight class. But we're trying to get litotomy to really feed on needing to get a cull program into the park. And so I'm hoping that we can work with North Park on that if that can get moved along. There's a lot of politics involved.

Yeah. So Ken, as you talk to white-tailed deer, and did you, Carmen, are you up to... Suburban Whitetail. Are you up to speed on that? Okay, do you want to take five minutes on that?

We have a huge deer problem. I mean, there's no regeneration in any of our forests. All of our native wildflowers and weeds and everything are gone. So that affects the pollinators. It devastates the whole ecosystem. Like the number of birds I have at my house and the variety of them is significantly changed. So we've been trying to do a program with archery hunting. It's difficult to do because, like with this housing development across the street from us, there's three people in there that don't want to permit it. And so we can't because of safety zone issues. With archery, you have to be, it's a 50-yard safety zone. So from your front porch, it's 50 yards. So, like, that really limits where you can do things. And so... We have archery hunters that some of them are harvesting six and eight deer and that the deer go down to Kips and Carnegie and are added to the food program. So it goes out to all the share the harvest, it goes out to all the Food programs and So what we've been harvesting roughly 60 to 70 deer with archery. And we're harvesting triple that with our cars. I didn't bring it. I got it from the police.

I actually hit a deer right after the most recent council meeting. I'm fine. My car wasn't damaged or anything.

And what happens is that deer goes in and it dies in somebody's backyard or whatever. You don't necessarily become immobile and the deer's dead. They run back into the woods. So what we're trying to do, I've been calling it enhanced management. It's a call where what we were going to do if we Cut the paperwork through with the game commission. Because it has to be done after all the archery seasons and everything we were going to put bait out in nine different locations in the in the township. And then at night suburban whitetail are. You know they've gone through the process of being permitted to use suppressor rifles with night vision to go in and harvest a deer from like 20 feet away. And harvesting 150 deer the first year. Seeing how that goes and then going to 300 hopefully after that. When you have an area that can hold 100 deer. And we're at 200 deer. The devastation that does is you need to knock the deer population back down to 50 for five to seven years for things to regenerate. Once we hit the deer population down, we can get into our green space like Wall Park and things like that and really get on the invasives and start to try to reestablish the native plants and so forth. But it's senseless to try to do that until you have the deer population now.

And it's also something on council that we have outlined as one of our top priorities. Part of it, you know, I can, Nick Trigetti, my colleague, and Joe Wall, my colleague in Ward 5, and Nick in Ward 3. One issue I had when I door knocked, like it was almost, it was almost hilarious. Not like disparaging, but like, like everyone would say, dear, I go to another door, dear. And it just would join. I can testify to that.

It's my front yard. I'm five feet away. No giving birth to two phones.

Carmen. So, you know, that this, this, this committee was unanimous in their support of the expanded. Enhanced enhanced. And we did say that in front of council and we were supportive of that. So I think that helped. And I think that let residents to know where the EAC stood on that because of the projects, the fundamental nature of our project is that the trees can't be eaten. The native species can't be just mowed down. This is what we're promoting and this is what we're doing. Fundamentally, we have to get ahold of the deer.

Every council member supports this.

And last year I had the Pennsylvania Game Commission White-Tilled Deer biologist Janine Flagle came in and she did a talk. We filled up the whole room there and I thought it was a perfect opportunity for people that were against it to be there. And there wasn't anybody that was against it. People trying to figure out how they, you know, anyway.

If you're against it, it's very unpopular in McAnlis.

I know you had to go through, like the town had to go through an extra application process to get this done. And it seems like talking at the North Hills EAC meeting, lots of people have problems with deers. Are the town councils talking? Like, it seems like if we could get a block, of municipalities together to all work together to do this would be more productive.

That's what Jack is asking.

Franklin Park was part of with the people that were using suburban whitetail. And they've backed out. I'm not sure what they're doing in Franklin Park at this point. They've changed leadership there and so forth. Ross has a call. City of Pittsburgh is doing a call. They're doing it the very expensive way they're doing They have Department of Agricultural sharpshooters. Fox Chapel has been doing it for years. They use the police to shoot the deer. Hampton has more hunting. Their issue isn't quite as bad. Okay. Pine, again, has more hunting. Their issue isn't quite as bad. But when you go through North Park or Wild Park or Potter Park, it's devastation. I mean, that's part of the reason why I wanted to do a hike up at my cabin so that people could see what wood's actually supposed to look like.

And I had a conversation with Chief Hawk a couple months ago. And he actually talked to Fox Chapel. One thing they said was that. you know, it has to be like a united front. It can't be like one township at a time type situation because, you know, there's no wall around Fox Chapel or McCandless to keep the deer out.

Yeah, I'm just wondering, like, would it be possible to start communication between the different town councils? Because it seems like that's kind of going to be required. Oh, yeah, definitely. If you want to... creating a united front.

Every municipality has to do their own thing with the game commission. And there's a lot more complicated than I was led to believe by the people that I talk with because we've not got it done the last two years.

Yeah, but I wonder if like sharing experiences and how you answer things like shared knowledge might also help improve the ease, maybe? I don't know.

The public is, I mean, at this point, that's a non-issue.

Right.

You know, that was a huge concern initially. And it's really a non-issue now. Yeah. People want something done. At my house, I can shoot them, but then my one neighbor's, you know, my 85-year-old neighbor likes to watch the deer, so I can't have one die where she can see it die. And I've got another neighbor with two young children, and they say, so I can't do it. And I mean, for me to have a dozen deer in my backyard is normal, but I go out to practice my bow, they get in the way of my target. That is a problem. It's a problem that can't really be addressed by archery.

Mm-hmm.

So we do have a program right now, or we do not?

We do. So, Ken, if you want to explain.

We have an archery program. Okay. Now, anybody can hunt. Like in my house, if I have my neighbor's permission within 50 yards, I can hunt. You don't need to be part of suburban whitetail. And we do have people that hunt that way on their property. There are several people that have multi-acre properties that they don't let suburban come in there, they hunt it themselves. But most people have very small plots and it's very difficult to get, to be able to meet the state guidelines on the 50 yards. So we have suburban whitetail that people can have them come in. Those are certified hunters. They have insurance. you know, liabilities, insurance, and they have different rules, like they have to shoot a buck, I mean, they have to shoot a doe before they can shoot a buck, and so forth. We're in special regulations area of 2B, the game commission calls us 2B, and there's basically unlimited antlerless permits, because it's a problem, and they want hunters to shoot them. The problem I get with the people hunting between my house and North Park is most of them are trophy hunting. And, you know, they're not shooting the does, and I try to tell them if you shoot the does, that makes the bucks have to look more to find the does so you have a better chance of getting them. But that doesn't seem to work with them. Did I answer the question? Yes, thank you. Thank you, Coach. Thank you. Did I bore you all for five minutes?

No, very informative. So we will mention it at the next event, the regional event. But, you know, Audrey's suggestion.

She's right. Yeah. But I also think that having support from their EACs can help, like you guys being very supportive. Absolutely.

The first archery deer program was actually in North Park over 30 years ago. I came down to the first, because deer warrant is big an issue at that point. And I came down here and the only two complaints even at that time was a buck running around with an antler in it, with a arrow in it. And that was a bandit, meaning it wasn't part of the program in the parks. And again, it's only certified hunters. They're given an area that you will hunt this area. You know, you can't go anywhere else. This is your area. And so everything is very organized and reported and everything. So it's been done for over 30 years in the park, but like we're discussing with the interconnection of the different municipalities, they started archery hunting in North Park. They just come across Pewdie Drive and hang out over here because no one's hunting them over here. You know, so it's, you know, deer aren't dumb.

Except when they're cars.

Well, we all love to see here until they're in front of our car.

Yes, as I learned a few weeks ago.

And we all love to see the two fawns frolicking in our backyard until we realize mom just ate all of our flowers.

Mm-hmm. Okay, Katie, anything from the township that we should know? Any other relevant news?

Nothing, thank you.

Okay. Topics for next month. So September McMail tip. Community day planning. Mm-hmm. Okay.

uh we will have our um discussion about september group walk yeah so for right now yeah i have basic project updates of the tree program rain burdens climate action plan and then the eac home page mission statement does steer pop back up next month or is that in september archery season starts mid-september So do you want that on the agenda for next month, or do you want to hold a tour.

Probably good to start it next month, because I can I get a police report yeah i'll go ahead and put you back on the agenda as well. That will be a dissertation that'll be a two minute.

Okay, then I have under Community outreach, we have a garden in the park recap, we have a national line about recap we're going to have Community day planning. We'll do a speaker series follow-up. Under open initiatives, I have Birdtown PA update, Department of Conservation grants in case there are more, park walks, planning a day for September. Under miscellaneous, I'm putting the 2027 budget and planned expenditures, which I see here.

Yes.

September McMail, regional EAC meeting recap and general updates. And then we're having our town council and township reports like usual.

Okay, great.

You already have that built for next year?

Okay, that's great. So if anybody wants to walk Wall Park or Potter Park, you know, just give me a call. I'll be happy to show you through.

Thank you.

Okay.

Great.

Okay, anything else that you want?

That's why he wants us to join him.

Can I have a motion to adjourn this meeting?

Ken, I have a second. Second. All in favor?

Great. Very good. Thank you, everybody. Great meeting. No, Ken, we needed that, right? We wanted that. I asked you to remember that on the