Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Um, I will open up this meeting of the Maynard Planning Board. Today's date is January 13th, 2026 and and the time is 7:04 p.m. Um, please note this meeting is being held in hybrid format which means that members of the public or the board can attend here in town hall or virtually through the Zoom link. And please note this meeting is being recorded. Uh Bill, we'll we can turn to item two and and reopen the public hearing for 151 Main Street. This was continued from December 9th, 2025. Mr. Hall, thanks for coming in again. We appreciate it. Bill, do you want to give us an update in status?

Um we when the board um adjourned at their last meeting with Mr. at all. Um the issue came up uh with the board voice concern over um a provision of ADA compliant space uh on the property. Uh the reason was that the board is being asked to grant a waiver from 10 parking spaces to five on the property that consistent with the downtown district shared use um provisions. Uh however, by reducing the number, it negated the need for an ADA compliance spot. So the board asked Mr. call to uh research uh and come up with with alternatives that may meet or forward uh the intent of uh the ADA spot and overall accessibility in the area. Um so that's you'll see that I printed out one of the um emails sent from Mr. Hall today which shows a couple of options there. one is not going to work with the um railroad street parking because of um at least it can't happen without additional approvals

from select board

but um there's a we we met uh offline Mr. and I did with uh the chair and with uh staff a couple of times and um come up with some alternatives that may uh check all the boxes. Uh also uh just for uh clarity I I printed out the most recent engineering comments and um as far as engineering is concerned their review is is satisfied with uh several of the items that are in there I know we didn't contain as conditions of approval. I did draft some conditions of approval already that uh contained most of those I think well all of those um and of course the design review intent has been met by the current design. So when we turn this over to uh Mr. Hall um he can he can present what he's found with his engineer and with his um own research and meetings with town staff. And just to be clear, what we're looking for currently a site plan approval subject to design review and there's special permit request uh in the downtown overlay district to reduce the overall number of parking spaces. That's where we stand right now.

Understood. Thanks. Um Mr. M. So tonight we just had Dan from Stamp Steve McNary. He's just going to walk through the conceptual studies we worked on with Wayne from DPW about potential locations and whether or not they would satisfy DT DPW uh dimensional requirements. So, I'm going to hand it over to Dan to walk through what they looked at.

Thanks, Matt. Uh so yeah, as Maz mentioned, we um did some research on this property in the neighboring um neighborhood basically to figure out um some options for handicap spaces. Um and so on this plan here, we've got um four different colored areas here. And I'll just take you through the first one in this reddish orange color here. Um this was an option to um convert an existing parking space on Railroad Street to a handicap space. And so that would um provide a an accessible path from that handicap space to the front door of the building here and using the existing crosswalks and um existing sidewalks there. Um it would be it would take away a parking space because we need that space for the accessible aisle there. Um but the the area is relatively flat. So um grades aren't a concern there. That was our fir option A we have here in the reddish orange. Option B was an on street parallel parking space. Um but unfortunately there's insufficient width for a parallel parking space. They require a 13 ft um width off the curb for handicap accessible space and that doesn't leave enough room for two lanes of traffic and then the parking on the other side. And then the last option is um in purple here. It's an on-site handicap space and which would require the moving of the trash area on site into the landscape bed behind it and then it would force access to the trash through that accessible aisle here. So obviously that's not ideal. Um and then in blue here is just a bunch of dimensions on

the existing street. So, um, Maynard requires 9 foot wide stalls for the parking for parallel parking on streets and then there also needs to be a 10-ft drive lane for each lane. Um, and as you can see, let me zoom in here. um the existing dimensions here. Um you know, even though we're closing curb cuts along the frontage of the proposed building site, um there's just not enough width to get an additional on street parallel parking space in front of the the building without violating that 9 ft wide stall and 10ft drive lane requirements here. So, those are uh, you know, the four things we looked into when trying to come up with a handicap space there. Um, I think that covers it basically. So, if you have any questions, let me know. if you've been on some of the email chains where the feedback from MS and DW have kind of weighed in.

So if you want to talk about the sort

um what I saw is that uh DPW does not support option one which is the um handicap space along Railroad Street. Um, I'm not going to summarize why they they don't, but they they don't. We'd have to go the applicant would have to go to select board for that option. Um, DBW also confirmed the whiffs um along Main Street do not support options B, the green option and the blue option. So, that that I saw. Did I miss anything? No, I think generally they they stated that they really couldn't get behind any creation of public property use in the hand.

Yeah. And I agree. I went out to Main Street and looked and it just eyeballing it, it looks it does narrow in that area as well. So it's I can understand why the widths are what they are. Um so so Bill we've heard the presentation uh what what next here's I'm seeing three items I think right one is handicap parking compliance two is um overall parking scheme and there's been comments from the board about uh worker parking so we should understand how that's addressed and then three I just want to make sure that everyone is comfortable with this the design comments

with the what with the engineering comments. Oh, engineering, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I see those three topics. I think that's good. Um I I uh would recommend we uh think we can let Dan go for the Yeah, maybe that's probably best if you want. Yeah. Yes. I think he's free to go. I think this discussion about what we all are going to agree to. That's fine by me. Yeah, I don't have any questions about the actual design for any of these options. Does anyone want to ask Dan clarifying questions about his information and presentation?

Um, I have design question if they're going for option C. I don't really actually know what they're going for, but for option C, they're I have a design question. Let's do it.

So, two things with the handic with the on-site parking for handicap stall. One is the first stall has to be van accessible, which there's room forly where they showed it. But the other is it has to be the most proximate to the building entrance and they put it in the back of the lot instead of the front of the lot. And it needs to be take up those two spaces closest to the building rather than the spaces in the back of the lot. And for clarity, why is that? Um ADA requirements for accessible route has to be the closest to the building successful path. You're saying federal regulations,

federal, state, everything, every everybody. And it's bylaw, too. It has to Okay. And since the first spot has to be a van spot, that's a full 16 ft wide. 8 + 8. Yep. Dan, did you catch all that? Yeah. So, that that would mean that um we would lose a space here because this whole side here would have to be just one handicap space. Yeah. with the with the aisle cuz we we can't go any further this way because of the angle of the parking.

That's the only question. My only question I mean I have an overall question about the lack of action on option A on Railroad Street. Is that just We don't have to necessarily get into it now, but it's just too complicated. Is that the idea? Because DPW making a statement that they don't feel that there's any available space on these public roads to have any ADA parking is not the answer that I'm happy about hearing to say that there's no there's no ADA parking between the post office and town hall. So for DPW to say no um

it's difficult for me. Yeah, maybe I clarify it. DVDW has said that they would not support the use of conversion of a spot that River Street has proposed. Um, and they had reasons for that or they just said no. Um I I believe that they and they said that if if as a select board controls Yeah.

this it would be up to this board to work with the select board to have that spot dedicated. Um I think that there were sound like they're against it. It's just not their call. That's fair. Also that they noted complications like those spots in some sense have been deed not deed but um leased is leased the word the town is receiving payments for those parking spots from somebody. No. Okay. So they're public spots that are not available for use by the public.

We should we if Steve can answer it we should introduce Steve. I mean you don't have to answer it right now. Um, I I I can also say this when I look at the project. Um, I I want and and I would love to see a handicap parking spot there. Mhm. Um, I don't know how it I guess it could potentially help the project's compliance for a handicap parking spot, but what we the because the compliance point is a handicap parking spot on site, right?

Yes. But I mean, we all acknowledge the fact that a shared parking within the community is something that we already use quite often. So I think that that would be appropriate in this situation. I also do have a question about option B. Um I mean surely I I do I I did a lot of research today on ADA parking in parallel parking spaces. Obviously, you want to have an 8- foot drive aisle and an access lane. Um, there are many cities and towns across the United States where historic streets are narrow enough that that can't be done. And I do know that there are ways of putting in ADA spots that are non-compliant. So, the statement that it can't be done, I guess I just need someone to talk me through that a little further, but that might be a DPW issue, not an applicant issue.

Well, take a crack at it. Um, the the I spoke to both DPW today and town uh the building commissioner.

Yep. Um because particularly I should point out that the town was gigged or cited for non several non-compliance spots in the last uh I guess last month or two in in town and the what I was told was um that there's no provision for putting in non-compliant spots in um the CMR of 520 521 CMR architectural access

which is state regs right yeah

but in addition was that they felt that adding a non-compliant spot when we're negotiating with the architectural access board to make our existing spots compliant and setting up um argument position renewables going to the planet was not the best way to go and then there were other ways that could be more value added if you will for the public. Well, I understand what you're saying and and I also understand what the board uh is is getting out when they say that the reduction that they're being asked to grant for parking eliminates the trigger to provide an ADA spot and and and I get that and I think everybody gets that. On the other hand, uh if the goal is to increase the access downtown, perhaps there's a way that works for everybody and um can can be compliant. I guess that's the best I could do now. But I um we've been working at this now quite a while trying to figure a um a uh proposal that would work on it. I mean I I really like the location of the one on railroad speed because it serves the site and it serves other main street businesses. I mean, theoretically, is there a way that if we were to approve it with one on-site ADA space that we would consider replacing that with an on street space later to be a minor modification that

doesn't require permitting, reperating. If if they were able to work something out with a select board and do railroad street instead and that's what they wanted to do, they could just say, "Oh, well, forget the onsite one. We'll just do railroad street as a minor modification asking."

Yeah, we we could we could anything like that. We've done that before. we could just memorialize and um memorialize it in the decision and we specifically point out that minor modification just uh matters for your education in the town under state law but the town we have a process for an existing site plan or um special permit. the board has circumstances where they can grant the minor modification which is administrative modification with just an adherence rather than going through a whole public hearing process again. Yeah. So, we do we do that, you know, as long as the intent isn't changed and things like that just for your for everybody at home. And um yes, Bill, that could be done.

So, you it seems like the railroad uh tracks the railroad road is the best option. How difficult is it to get the select board to agree to it? I mean, do they we just we recommend that they change it and will they support that or is it complicated?

I I don't I don't know if they'll support it. Um I think procedurally it would be the applicant in this case. So, Mr. all would have to approach them with with with a planning board decision. Um, but also recommendation. Does that sound right, Bill? Yes. I've never actually done that, but I I I would say that would be if if the board's if the board's desire was to pursue this and we we did it. I would say it would be um that would probably be the best way. So that

so that's procedurally, but I don't know. I can't I don't think any of us can say outcome. So legally this would be turning a public parking space into an ADA public parking space just by striping by the way too. Well I know paint is very expensive so that's neither here nor there but um I do the the unknown deeding or whatever it is relationship with the apartments on Railroad Street does seem to be an added layer that I don't know how complicated that makes it. Um, if if the only complication is like nobody wants to talk to the select board, I don't think that that should be No, I I'm happy to put that.

No, I'm not I don't mean you. I just mean like um if everyone's like, I don't understand how the deeding works, so we'll just not do it. That's not I'm not I I just don't have enough background on that. That's That's fair. Um, but I like Bill Crrenshaw's idea of having it escape essentially that it can just be a simple minor modification that was already deliberated during the hearing itself, right? As an option.

Um, let's pause. Were there other options considered that can help with the compliance of this? Actually, could I ask one question? If we did provide as an on-site ADA space, is that only serving users of this building? It's not actually a public space. Correct. Technically, yes. I mean, I don't we don't control and you could not enforce it like that's all, you know, but yeah, technically it would be for users. It's private property. Private property, right? Private property. which to me doesn't solve your concern that there's not it doesn't space

but the but our zoning bylaws are clear that the parking space is intended for the building use. Right. Right. Which is in reality all we want um within the scope of this application.

Um can I can I chime in really quickly? This is Lindseay Mcconi. Um I'm on the Maynard select board and I am the lessison on to the planning board. Uh which is why I'm on this meeting. So I'm just going to throw out there Bill Nezor. If there's anything that I can do to be helpful in bringing this information back to the select board or facilitating um the applicant's communication with the select board to expedite the process, just let me know. Thank you, Lizzie. You'll be on my feet now. Bill, should we talk about a couple of the other options talked about today with Wayne? Yeah, I think that would be I think the board would I think that that is helpful and and you could talk about the pros and cons of each. Sure. Whatever you think.

So So that's one. That's option one, which is the on-site ADA or the railroad street ADA one and one a. So, a couple of other potential solutions are in lie of not being able to provide a public ADA space that we would contribute uh funds to the town towards improving existing ADA spaces. And there with the recent ADA sighting of uh non-conforming spots, there is some immediate need for how that would be applied. Uh so that's option two

that provide right so it addresses the downtown accessibility overall proves it and I think that was as we talked through that was my thought is that it is good to always in that sense it could be used and and definitely in clear conscience the board can be be sure that they're forwarding the downtown accessibility. Mhm. Is there a dollar amount attached to that? That would be something

specifically I think that's something that would have to be negotiated andor estimated for cost of approval. And then you had uh what would still a third option and it's kind of a late uh something that I've developed kind of lately which is it looks like I may be able to lease five spaces from Mil and Maine which would offset the requirement for asking for the waiver on the five parking spaces for the commercial ground floor space. Would your intent be for residents or for business or even business?

I would keep the on-site for residences. It I think that's very helpful um and could make the application stronger. Obviously, it doesn't address the handicap space requirement, but it does address the waiver unless one of them was made handicapped, I guess. Yeah, that would be quite I'm not sure if that were to be proposed. I'm not sure I would limit it to get to employee own. I mean, I think you need to put some residential over there and put some employee on site. I wouldn't care. Right. Well, I I think whenever they work out, but tied to the building.

Yes. Um but would is that an an attempt to address um board comments previous about employee parking? Correct. Okay. But the the um the only question there is that you still at that point at 10 spots. So you have the end cap on you should it would still be on the private the cut off was 11 11 spots it's five residential six commercial right but is it a cut I thought the cut off is six we're five residential five commercial

we're talking about two different things you're talking about hey are we talking about handicap spots you said cut off so I let's be very Here there 11. How many spots are required for the project? 10. 10. 10 or 11. So it's five. It's one for each Eric. Sorry. It's 1.5 for each of the residential units. So it's 4.5 for the residential. Oh, we're adding fractions. And it's rounding up. It's one for every 500 square ft of commercial. So it's five for the commercial. So it's 10. Well, it's not 2750 2705.

That's fire, right? Yeah. Some of that is uh residential access to the upward apartment. It's an leasable commercial space. Ah, okay. Nice. And and one of those would be required handicap. So, nine non- handicap, one handicap, right? Did I get that right? sent me the CMR 521 which believes the cut off was 11 right but our landing board rules and regs require going to trump the the rules reg our rules and regs are clear that one spot per it's six six and over I think right so

can't find it but it's in here right let's see that would be one do we have uh you more search on error so yeah give you a is I mean look I I'll give my perspective if it's if it's one handicap spot on site page 13 with what four other spots on site if it's has to be close three right yes that problem okay that's I don't think we can make that a space

so yeah so let's say what the handicapped spot on site with a balance on site and then the number of spots you mentioned uh in the lease agreement. Um I see that as a strong application that addresses uh board comments and um and all the regs. Um, and if there is, uh, another option, option B, um, to have the handicap spot on Railroad Street as a minor modification later, I think that also addresses how the incentive. How would we work that?

I don't know. But I'm just what I'm just trying to say is that package that you mentioned, to me, from my point of view, that looks very compliant to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think the issue with railway news is we just define that possibility as a minor change, minor mod.

Yeah, I I'd like to chime in. Yeah, I'm I'm pretty much on board as well. I think that, you know, the putting the handicap spot where it needs to be on the property is a preliminary idea. I know we're losing a spot. Uh the idea of leasing it I think is a huge bump in you know the ability to get more into compliance. Um I also really like the idea of leaving option the open of the Railroad Street handicap parking spot. Uh I know it's not the purview right now but I I also have serious issues with what's going on on Railroad. I mean on the way over here those spots are labeled as private parking services subject to towing. And I have a serious problem with that. And I'd be willing to work with the board and select board to rectify that to help the applicant on getting a handicap spot on that site to to help that help the town and the applicant. So I'm feeling better about this.

We did do some deed research and from everything that we can see that railroad street is public grade. So, okay. Maybe it's just signs. Just a sneaky select board in there deals or whatever. Previous select boards. Was it you? No, it's not. Okay.

Well, could have been, but I just happen to remember that too. Um, I would like to, if we were going to put in something referencing Railroad Street, I would like to leave it open to other creative adjacent possibilities. The ADA spot in front of the post office is a parallel parking spot on the street. So, I'm just saying like we're not re Have you been to cities in this country? There are ways to do it. I'm not crazy. You're not most recent. ADA spots with the dialogue. What? In front of codeex art space. Yeah. Spot.

Exactly. They're all parallel spots. Are those We were dinged on every single one or we were dinged on all the ones that are van accessible that have terrible signage, uneven ground, all that stuff. So this is my thing is like if we can't do a I just want to leave space that if in the future he could stripe and pay millions of dollars for future striping costs for a long street spot that's adjacent to the site. That would also be acceptable to me.

We may have to if that goes through we may have to submit that. But I know what you mean. So even the green space that Dan shows in front of Mayor Pizza and Bar the roadway with even there isn't adequate or

right but that's based on having a full access aisle which is what certain rules but there are exceptions given for when infrastructure prevents you from being able to have a full access aisle. I was reading all those things today and I realize that it's complicated and that state and federal may differ, but again, I've been to cities, I've been to our own town that has parallel parking spaces that are ADA. Well, we could we could write we could have the the decision reference that um applicant may propose an alternative um in lie of the on-site handicap spot that is commensurate with the discussion that occurred in the hearing and that can be considered as part of a minor modification.

Or we could we could also define a distance perhaps and just say you know if they are able to establish a Handicap parking spot within 100 ft of the property line on street opt. There is one handicap space on railroad street towards the other end the Florida road end. It's not I think it's just out of the what the other Yeah. I guess it would have to be walking to the site. Yeah. But if but if Yeah. So if we reference this, I think that gives we could come up with something an alternative. The language I just referenced, I think sounds adequate to me. Well, do we agree? Well, we should have a base decision.

Yep.

Yeah. Do we agree that does the board in general agree that uh Mr. You're pretty fairly confident you could get the lease for the um parking spots if you chose if Yeah, we we in addition we said you know approval on um execution of a lease that meets the zoning bylaw regulations of 5 years,000 ft whatever it is. Okay, we know that's cooking. Um and then the five spots that are going to be on site with the handicap however or the ADA spot that's kind of you know everything set and that in itself is the base I think checks all the boxes.

That's what we're saying. If now there is um and from there then you can kind of so you know that's like the ground zero to build performing thing. Um do you do we miss uh yeah the other four option was that uh during the course of our construction we would do some uh like kind repairs of the handicap uh ramps across the street which are going into the parking lot at Mill and Mine that are kind of cracked and they don't have warning tracks. So, we would upgrade that as part of the construction of this project. There was one other nearby location.

Yeah. CVS. Yeah. Was it CVS? Chris, I think you have a Yeah, that's the panels across the street that are nonviolent. Just cracked the driveway to Milan Maine. Describe that Chris a little bit.

Yeah. So just across across the project line south on the south side of Main Street, there's an entrance to Milan Maine that has a um a curved ramp for their driveway crossing. Um and it the panel just needs is in disrepair. Um and I don't know how compliant it is, but it's definitely disrepair. So that's what's being referenced. And then there's another Yes. Thanks. Thanks, Dan. Yeah. Yeah. So, if we go a little other side of other side of the Well, this side is tast strip, too. Oh, yeah.

So, right. Yeah, that right there. Both both a reference. Um, and then the other reference was for there's a a number of handicap parking spots uh behind uh near the old subway. um in the parking lot behind CDS that um correct me if I'm wrong guys, but if um that were referenced as non-compliant and made in in recent observations. That's correct. The the the um I don't know if Dian has a copy of the the graphic that Wayne sent you. Chris has show

up here, but Dan does not have that. Okay. Um, I can send it to Okay, Dan. Um, send you a graph. That's what was put together by But in a nutshell, what this is, guys, is

I think highlighting the non-compliance that was in the report. All these these were what and this was what was agreed to with the the architect control access board and those improvements which we could also look at uh which we pull up Dan's got here I think or he's going to get like a um is Mr. Hall, is this something you would like us to consider or because you we we just previously discussed a sort of package that the board is seems generally seems to feel it's compliant with the with the approach. Do you want us to al do you want us now to consider this?

I think what you've stated as the package is probably the most appropriate from your point of view as well. Okay. did which one the I I mean as just one member I don't need to look at the other DPW improvements near you know um behind the CVS parking lot but I agree with that. Yeah, I I think for community benefit just then fixing the sidewalk and taking a bunch of curb cuts is what the DoD needs. Yep. I mean that that that does improve the downtown pedestrian experience. Do what? I hear what Bill said.

The curb cuts improvements saying the improvements on the site are already a benefit to the right. Yeah. Yeah. The curve cuts on the site. Yeah. Yeah. That I think that checks that box. And I think the replacement of the tactile strips and repair of the curb across the street is adjacent to the site. That makes sense. Um that was another item. Yeah, that was a different item, right? Not this. Yes. Yes. I meant separate from that. Yeah. Um I have no other questions on this unless the board. Does the board have any other questions on this? No.

I had reviewed the engineering comments and we don't have any other questions. Does any would anyone like some time to review their engineering pretty good? Well, I just have a technical zoning thing. Don't we have somewhere in the zoning that says we allow offsite parking within a certain distance or is that So, does that change the date or eliminate the special permit? No, it it eliminates different special permit.

Yes. So what we would have to do if if we go for that what we do is I just ask um we withdraw we could do that we' be able to withdraw a special permit and uh for um parking relief and we would just ask uh for regular how we do or amend But um and the the special permit is to allow offsite parking. It says by Yeah, we just have to do I'll come up with a way to do it. Tidy.

We've done it before. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I just And then we could do maybe we just tomorrow or something if we if we go that way. You just write me a amended. Yeah, we we yeah, we just need a we needing the request to be official and um I'm not worried at all. This has been noticed anybody know that's not an issue. Um all right. Um does not engineering review um to look through there's defer to board and then conditions for approval.

Can I interrupt Dan? Oh I don't think so. I I don't any other design questions. Thank you. Thanks Dan. Thank you Dan. All right. Thanks guys. And I um I did drop back some uh commissions of approval. Uh that I I um You want to bring those up? Is that possible or or do you want to just talk through them?

Probably easier to talk to him. I got Julius all over bring them up because they're all possibilities and stuff that I didn't know. What What's the board's fun? You want to see what I got? What I got? We can I I do want to um open it up for public comment. Um, and so before we do that right now, um, and I'll let the let the board um, look over the design engineering comments. Did you want you want public comment before I pull up the the conditions? This will just take a second, Bill. Um, are there any public comments here in the room? There's no one in here in the room. Just acknowledging that. Lindsay, do you have any public comment for us tonight? And you do not have to respond.

Nope. Okay. Um, so just for the record, Bill, there's no public comments in a public comment. Oh, man. That's it. All right. Now you can do it. Okay. Talk a minute. I'll get the summary. That's what I was trying to do.

You wasting 15 valuable seconds there. Thank you. Anyone have comments comments on engineering review. Yeah. What I see is there's just a couple waiverss that will be needed.

I think I put the waivers in there. You did?

Yes. Um Oh, is exhibit A of the decision. So, exhibit A is And Matt, these are still correct. I believe um this is going to be as the exhibit to the um which we're going to have a new amended one. We're have new amended exhibit A if we change the application which I'll take care of. Uh waiverss are um where are there they are. Okay. So the waiverss that we would grant for the zoning bylaws is parking which we don't know if we're going to need yet. Am I right, Matt? This would be

correct. This I mean we would take this out if we build that one route. Yes. And the other waiver was for WA. Just a technicality. If they lease five off street and put the handicap on site, they're only going to have nine spaces. Well, but I think that is for a space waiver and they're asking for an onsite offsite waiver. Oh, this does have it that we need six now or we had um 11 by by law. We can give a waiver for 11 in the decision.

Yeah. Right. So 11 we'll just if I have no issue with it 11 to nine make it a waiver so that there's so no one can challenge it. Right. That it's abundantly clear. I don't I don't think it changes anything from your perspective. But you're okay with that. I'm very happy to just call it 11, make it a waiver for nine. Um, do what? Have if the number is 11 for the calculation, fine. And then have a waiver for nine and allow nine.

Yep. which accounts for five offsite at least three onsite plus one additional handicap on site for a total of nine as as the decision that adds up and then a second waiver for offsite parking. Well, I don't know if it's a waiver or it's a special permit. That's special. Okay. special permit. So So you show those in the reduction rate.

Really? We only have our waivers twice, but we have two waivers.

I don't think so. We had conditions but I mean there was something administrative where it was like you know traffic study and yeah stuff like that. That's Yeah.

Um well you could just keep actually what we do now I think about it. If we're going to do that, we just keep the existing special permit request for reduced parking and just use that and then put as part of it. This we would, you know, leasing off site and then we we just supplement that with a set with a little paragraph and we just could switch one of the other really I guess. Okay, good. On fire now. Um, you want to see the rest of my conditions? Yes, that was the point, wasn't it?

Hey, these were conditions, my draft conditions. And I think we should, it would be nice if we could do the one at at the end. We maybe work on the one if there was a a progress made on street. Um this says uh within 5 years there's a permanent easement uh shall obtain. Now let me explain this real quick. Mr. Hall's done everything he's required to do with executing a license agreement with the town. So this I'm going to leave that because we have while we've done the license agreement for being exhibit we have not secured the permanent yet. Hold on. This is for the small sliver of of of town that is town property.

The retaining wall. That's right. Right. That's near between the retaining wall and the building that we that obviously is better suited for the project and not for town technically.

Right. And the town meaning uh probably ons will prepare. I don't it probably wouldn't make it may make this town but um and then we would bring it through for the but the town has to vote on it and then it's a permanent use if it's a done deal. So we're saying that has to be done in 5 years that's per their um the licensing agreement. So this that's not this board that was just done with legal. Okay. um water sewer utility. This is this is this is um how UPW wanted that. This is um number three is um there. Oh, you know what is Lindsay? Lindsay, do you want I'm gonna share a screen so you can see it, too. Sorry. Um okay. Um three is a boil plate. Um four is to say that the the um they're going to use concrete for the uh walk. Um we're talking about closing the curb cups in five and with a replacement with curbing granite curbing. um snow shall we store in green spaces and this was the board brought this up last time that if uh we have a snow you know an emergency again it's possible that the um the property owner will be responsible for moving and moving the snow um the light this number seven regard if you remember this and and Matt it was I

think when we went over this at at one of our sessions that the intent was to illuminate the sidewalk in the front by Main Street for the pedestrian the and we um need I I don't know how the board exactly would want to condition that but in general the goal is to prevent there from being you dark areas and green. Why do we need a condition on that? I mean, the design plan showed it, right? Um, am I missing something?

The condition would just be the hours of operation, wouldn't it? Well, I did do that. That's the next one. Um, the reason the reason I don't Yeah, I guess we could we could strike that. I yeah I don't know the helpfulness of that condition for any particular goal that was discussed. Well, I'll strike it because it the the the design drawings were presented um and the project needs to have an asbuilt as presented, right? Uh yes, that's correct. Okay. I feel the same way with the comments, but that's okay. Yeah, that's fair. Um

okay. And for the next one, existing site lighting shall be placed on timers. Are we saying all exterior will be on time? All exterior. Exterior lighting shall be placed on timers. The frontage lighting shall be programmed to illuminate from dust till dawn. That was these are from our I took these were from our meeting. I'm just what I'm asking is is that mean did we talk about every exterior light needing to be on timers? We did not. I don't know if it was every exterior light. I recall the frontage for sure.

The overhanging the the parking lot lights and the exterior rear of building lights, security lights, right? If they want to turn off their rear security lights at midnight, I don't care. But they probably don't. So I think you're right. I mean, we don't really need the first sentence. This just this just takes care of the front. Yeah, we I mean, we were careful to not have too much light in the back anyways. Yep. And so you just give her the first sentence and keep the second time. Is that fair, Mr. Hall?

Yes. Um, which what did he do? No, not what did he do? That's not teamwork. What did he do? That's how it's done. There you go. Um, okay. Now, what' you say, Bill? The first sentence. Eliminate the first sentence. Eliminate this one. Yep. You know how hard I worked on? Damn. Um, chainsaw is at it.

Um, murals. Um I think we um this was we talked about the murals and Matt I'm going to let you talk about you sent a note about um going out the square footage of murals in general rather than saying one or two murals because depending on the artistic vision. Yeah, I think the concern was that the there should be at least a minimum size for the mural so that I don't end up with a twoft by two foot something somewhere. So, I thought 450 square ft would be a good starting point. That's

that sounds great. Let's go with that. Okay, I love it. So, should I put 450? I don't want to do that in here. I mean that that still bureaus of minimum that protect that protects your interest right because is that as I understood it you wanted a minimum of 450 we have space for more but I didn't want to tie myself to something bigger depending on I think that's great and do we want to do we want to put a top on that a cap on that no no do not so the whole thing could be mural yes Okay.

I think the project I mentioned in Somerville has over 4,000 square ft in barrel which it's a larger building. It's a conversion of a formal project. Yes. And it it says there that it has to be generally consistent with the approved plans anyway. So it's not like we can you left or um just just to get into minutia. Can these be electronic? Must they be painted? I don't know what I do now. What does it mean? I have no idea. Electronic got out of feather like the one at square. You see that? Okay. We're just going to say mural. It does say that square has to be approved by the exchange. It might be designated. Crazy.

Well, no, we haven't. No one no one no one said yet. So, I thought we did that. We haven't designated. Um, this came number nine was from a meeting where we discussed about refues. Yeah. Or literally language is it litter and water? Uh but we the essence of it was that we remember. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. We're good. Don't block the sidewalk. Yeah. Do it on the ramp trail. Uh fire alarm criminal be with the That's great.

Now, do you want to try to put in something about the railroad street thing? Um, is first of all, would that be a condition? I don't know. I don't know what what what are you leaning towards that? I think the way that Chris framed it with the five offsite, I think it's a finding. Huh? I think it's a finding that placement of the on-site handicap space with a Say it the right way. You're on your way with a um

I have to find it something parking space located on the westerly end of Railroad Street would be considered a wine finder. Can you say within 100 ft of the site? No, that doesn't quite work. The site that's hard. But what if they can make it work here? I don't know if Okay, so on Railroad Street or within All right, so within a hundred within aundred 50 ft of the site on railroad street or main street. Sure. Yes. Great. Should be shall be considered a minor mod.

Say that again. for the purposive an offsite off-site accessible parking spaces established on railroad street or main street within 150 ft of the lot line. Such space shall be considered this question. Is it me?

Established established on railroad street or main street. You know your shoulders are contagious. can't operate off. Where's the drive? Oh, I need a mouse. That's right. All right. Driver. No, I don't need it. It's fine. Just All right. All right. Type it how you want it. Established. Oh. 150 ft of the property line on Railroad Street or Main Street.

I'm starting to think that maybe it's not Bill Street. Um the onite parking accessible space can be removed ADA would be considered. Yep. The removal of the on-site ADA accessible space would be considered a minor minor modification probably.

Yeah, this keyboard stinks. I I'm with Bill on this. Like I don't often agree with Bill, but this is big hammer. All right. Anything else? You good? I don't care what happens. Well, Chris is away. Is there anything else you want to put in here? Is that all the condition? Do we have the condition about empty commercial space? And we get that part it up. About what?

Oh yeah. Uh we have in the past put conditions in saying that if your commercial space remains empty and unrened for a certain period of time, then we're allowed to put art in the windows. I saw that 115. Yeah. We should just use whatever language that was for 15. Oh, the Mona Lisa has a mustache. Very nice. What language? Well, about the art. You know, if window art, if it's empty commercial space, then we're allowed to throw art in the windows. Remember that whole thing? Yeah. Did we put that on the B? I don't know. Did we? Yeah. Well, if we did then

is it in our rigs? Bible. We should have it in our rigs, but maybe we don't. Bennett board rules. Oh, maybe that's what we did. Yeah, I just put it here. I don't think we got Yeah, I don't remember doing that. I could be wrong. We would have had to brought that to town meeting and I don't remember talking about that at town meeting. No, but if we did it in the Was it in maybe bylaw, right? or the uh the minimum property manus lot might have been. Oh, maybe you can still add it as a condition. It does. There's no it's that's a condition that's not not restricting. Just take out from 115 Main Street. He'll know what you're talking about. I don't like having that in there. Stresses me out. Bad juju.

Bad juu. Good juju. Find neutral juju. It doesn't matter. And I don't remember what the timeline is, but it's a long it's not I don't remember what the timeline is, but if it's been empty for what it um we copied we copied our lengthens by law and it seems to me it was 90 days or something. Okay, great. Does that sound okay to you? I thought it was like 12 months. Yeah, it's either 90 days or 12 months. Like between two tenants. I thought it was different. I thought it was something like six months.

Oh yeah, it was a big mess. Should I look? Do you want me to look at um because if it's in the bylaw, it doesn't matter. This condition can't overwrite that bio anyway. So if you want to see put in um whatever we had for 115. Okay, we can we can look it up right there. 115. We can put in later. Okay, I'll match whatever it was. I can do it when you're done. Are you driving still? I don't know. No, I think that's enough conditions. You can't find your weird language from other projects.

That's sus. You see now now you guys can play off of me a little bit here with this my skills. Um are we did I don't know if we agreed or not. Are we including um the sidewalk panels on the south side of Main Street as part of this agreement and that was I guess I'll turn it back to you. Is that something you are you including in this? I believe it's included in our plans. So it shouldn't require an additional

addition. Okay. And the plans were modified for DPW. So, okay. To do for which, Chris? This the tactile strips across the street on the south side of Main Street. The improvements to the crossing. Is that part of this? Yes. So, then we should put that in the Well, you could put it in as a condition that it will be done those improvements. I think we already have that condition. Are you talking about our side of Main Street? No, the other side. South side of Main Street. Yeah. So that is a different that's so that's part of the four options menu. So that's not part of this project.

Okay. Okay. Um I thought you sidewalk in front of our building. Okay. All right. Oh 15. Okay. You guys want to see it? Do we need anything regarding construction impacts on the sidewalk? Um, that sidewalk might not be accessible. We

um, frankly, they might be able to just cut over to the rail trail. Really, it would never be a problem. I mean, we don't No, cuz the ramp trail is not conjoined at all. I was right. 90 days. No way. What? That seems way too short.

We can't We wouldn't even know. Tell us. Just tell us what it is says. 90 days. And this is in the rules and regs. No, this is in this what we did for one kid. Okay. Well, he's already full. So, I mean, no, 90 days is not too short. Yeah, I'm not worried for him.

Did they do sidewalk shed protection for the sidewalks on 115 Main Street? No, they just closed it and forced everybody into the street, right? It's most dangerous situation possible. You're probably smarter than you don't want them liabilities. There's a couple other ways for you to do it, right? I mean, the way we wrote it and a recent decision is that a a track management plan will be submitted for approval by town staff, right? That just DPW.

Yeah, DPW. So just so you just show a plan how you're going to divert pedestrian traffic and vehicle traffic if needed for construction. That's a I mean it's common. So would you be amendable to that? It's going to have to be submitted anyways. Yeah. And we'd have to have a plan for that, right? And all good developers want that plan anyways. I mean, I'm surprised with the 115 where it's all masonry for the stories. That's that that's a different story. Not for not for this hearing.

You got better options.

Um yeah, Bill, you could just establish a condition so that everyone is clear that a traffic management plan shall be provided um for DPW approval. Um uh if public way, um is impacted during construction. if if um if during construction the public way is impacted. Um any other information to add before we close the hearing? It's an option we always give just to make sure that everything gets entered.

I don't think so. So I think we've just been trying to address the concerns and find possible solutions. So we haven't we made any other plan modifications or changes to design. Oh yeah. Did Did you do that? Do what? Um when Chris was typing disappeared from that. Did you put that? I'd like to double check something on the waiver. Still, I still don't understand what you're asking.

Um, you just we're going to say about the um Okay. Are you going to tell me how much of this? Wait, do we need um does the condition need to reference off-site public parking spots? You're saying no because that's a special permit. That's part of the special permit. Yeah. Okay. Well, but it's a condition of approval, right?

It would be that the the applicant shall maintain offsite parking consistent with the zoning bylaw section blah blah blah. And I get it's a special permit, but I think it's also site plan condition. Yeah, right. I would Yeah, because then that's that's the point.

So, we said we should establish what the parking we're going we're going to we're saying that we're going to have five off-site spots and four onsite spots. We're going to give relief for the two spots. That's correct. So, okay. Prior to CO, the applicant shall provide Um yeah, does anybody have that front or section? What section is this? Yeah, I'll say 98 9481. She does have it open already.

And that 9.4 spells it out. It's 5 years a Yeah. While you're typing, can I just say thank you for exploring some of the other options, you know, with the ADA thing. Um, maybe it'll work out in the future.

May I'd like to see Railroads Street be public parking because yeah, help us. Well, it seems like maybe it is. So, you know, maybe that'll maybe that'll become more clear recent. I've been here. Well, I you should see me flying along my keyboard. Do um how long do you want for the commercial space? Six months, nine months. It says five years. No, no, I meant windows. Oh, the windows. Yeah. Five years making six months. I mean I I don't need to be 6 months. Is that okay?

Where were we left? Was it the cultural district? Economic development committee. Was it the brownie troop? Whatever. Yeah. I think it's the cultural district in the past, right? Isn't that who put up the stuff at the Snider Murphy building? Murphy Snider building. Well, if it's our decision, then we should approve whoever did it. and our designate.

Do you want six months? 9 months. Uh, six. Okay. Is that a condition over in uh digital visual way crossing? No. No, because we didn't think of it all that long time ago. Well, I mean it would be nice. And somebody dies to that and goes, "Oh, look at all those empty spaces." Oh, I do. Are you kidding me?

Oh, yeah. But we're weird. We we did it with um was it one of the places? Couple places for sure. Yeah, there's a couple decisions. I just don't um Okay. Instructions.

Yeah, you can choose this a bit later, right? Yes, he's allowed to. So, so can we stop correcting spelling errors in real time? Yeah. Okay. You had a waiver comment. Yeah. It's just the peer review comment form number 10 talking about a waiver requested for set packet parking. Is that already covered? given a blanket waiver for the layout or do we need something specific on that? Is it part of the blanket waiver requested for on-site parking?

Maybe. I just don't know if we're we're only referencing number of parking spaces or we referencing other parking waivers or site plan. Is that correct? Well, probably is. Green's pretty good about this. But with the DoD parking rig that you have to have that minimum distance between the sub edge of sidewalk and the interior of the parking lot. It's hard to imagine that's in the BB. Well, it's referencing 61 which is not the DMV. So,

can we just give a blanket flavor for site plan? you know, wave make waivers for the site plan as long as the site plan sticks with what it is. Oh, it could be north and give them a waiver later. It it I think we could, but keep on it is under requirements for parking facilities. This is general. Yeah, general. And I don't know if the DoD any of that doesn't it doesn't spaces. Yeah. So yeah, we just throw that in there, too.

What's that? That a waiver for on-site parking setback requirements. Yeah. In accordance with section 6110 add a waiver waiver a waiver for 6110. It's that was it in the um it's Green's 10th comment in their list,

but it wasn't in the um original waivers. Let's see. No, I think I picked it up during the review. Okay, we can I'll take care of that. Right. Anything else? I may actually since there's only going to be two waiverss I may just put them at a decision take them out of this. Sure that's fine. Yes. All right. Um anything else? M I'll make a motion to close the hearing.

Second. All in favor to close the hearing, please raise your hand. That's 50 to close the hearing. Any additional deliberation from the board on this bill? I have special permits for 9.4.6 which is a DoD. Um

yeah I I would be voting for approval. So 10 Yeah. 10.4.2 9.4.6.

Here's what we be voting on. We're noting on a um site plan review. Okay. So, this would be we're going on the site plan review with the design review and we're going to we find that uh the design review was you know was met the criteria was met. Um, special permit criteria would be he does require relief from this plan and we're just going to say granting for a total of um nine parking spaces and we're going to do the findings on those two. Findings are this I' I've drafted you some findings in here already. um the findings of the standard special permit and DoD. Okay. And what we're going to do is rel the special permit though is going to allow a reduction in overall parking spaces and off-site parking per section, whatever it is. Okay,

I kind of need that. It's on I wrote down it's whatever is on. Okay. And um the perception and then the findings uh okay they here's we can go through the findings as they wrote um and I did that they were very good. I made a few adjustments in them but this is more or less what was in the application. Um and maybe just for the um record go through them right now if you want to just run through those real quick and make sure if we agree with them. Um does the board want to review the special permit criteria compliance for 10.4.2.

I would just do a quick check to make sure nothing has changed. Okay, this is for the standard. Yeah, forget first one's fine. Next one. What's the next page say about that? currently three cut current cuts. Um you know next page um so it's yeah fine next three is fine. Okay. So, yeah, now the numbers have changed. So, it's all good. Everyone feel good about that? Okay,

I feel great about it. And here's the DoD I guess as a staff uh provides sign attractive and scale mixes project. Um it does um because there's a new uh per surface, it this reduces what was there. So, it's good. Um here's how the functions I wrote that they were they were met. Um so this change will be from 11 spots to uh nine. So I can fix this up, you know. I'll do this. All right. They just need what section that's referencing for the the plane where rules and eggs bill. Do you know what section that is? It is section

9 section 9. Is that make sure I'm right? This is one of you guys mentioned this. 9.4.8.1. Yes, that's the offsite. Offite. Okay.

Okay. Um, so we looked at we have the waiverss, we have the conditions that were reviewed, we reviewed the special permit criteria for 10.4.2 and for 9.4.6, which is the general special permit and the DoD special permit. We reviewed the special permit for um five offsite parking for section 9.4.8.1 8.1 um which includes the package of nine total parking spaces um four on-site that includes one handicap and four offsite. Um the waivering also the waiver also includes um a reduction of parking spaces from 11 to 9 which is part of the waiver list. And then the final is that the site plan is consistent with um sections 10.5 and 10.6 six, which is our site plans, site plan um regulations. So that's what we covered. Any questions on that? Okay, Bill, I can make the motion.

Okay. What we want to do here is has included exhibit A and as added by the board for the um from section um what Bill said? What did you say? Bill 941. I'm sorry. 481 and section 9481. That's for the the relief that were granted from the waiver from the 20 foot. That was the state.

The 20 foot is six. Is it uh unemployed? No. For instance, 6110 6110 bill. Waivers are tied to special permit or site plan. I'm sorry. Waivers are tied to special permit or site plan. the same point with

um I I'm I can make this motion. You ready, Bill?

Start with binding then. I'll make a motion um that the project as presented during the planning board hearings and as discussed um complies with the special permit requirements for section 10.4.2 and section 9.4.6 six of the um zoning bylaws. I also include in the motion uh that the board finds that the applicant in the in the application is consistent with a special permit um for regarding section 9.4.8.1 8.1 of the zoning bylaw regarding um off-site parking and will allow the special permit will allow five off-site parking spaces as discussed and this includes a total parking space number of nine for the project with four on site including one handicap on site as discussed in the four offsite just referenced. Uh I I will also include that the the board finds that the site plan is consistent with sections 10.5 of the zoning bylaws and consistent with the design intent of section 10.6 six of the zoning bylaws and the planning board rules and regulations which includes uh the waiver list as presented in exhibit A and discussed during this hearing specifically for regarding section 10.1 sorry section 6.1.10 regarding various setbacks for parking um and with general compliance of town

parking. That's the motion. Nice. I'll second that. Bill, how'd I do? Excellent. Excellent. This is per the special permit. Yep. I included section 10.4.2 special permit. Section 9.4.6 special permit. The special permit for off-site parking 9481. Right. Site plan is consistent with sections 10.5 and 10.6. Okay. and the list of waiverss which is exhibit A and as discussed for the section 6.1 so we'll do two would do need two votes no so you wouldn't combine special permit site plan typically

okay well I made the motion Oh yeah I guess you could yeah I could put them together there's no reason not I mean I made I made the motion that way okay all right 2026 is all about efficiency Phil you're right you're absolutely right all right um any discussion on that motion. No discussion. No. Okay. Um, all in favor of the motion as made, please raise your hand. That's 5 Z in support of the motion. Okay. Is that it, Bill? We're combining. Yes. Um the um is that is that all of our um

is that all of our requirements for for tonight? Well, or is there any more votes? Do we need to take any more votes? No, we we we we you covered the waiverss. Okay. Yes, you covered the the Yes, we covered the uh site design.

Y covered special permits. Both of them. Um Matt, one thing I need to go see updating plan copy of that is um and then a copy of our copy of the plan. Okay. So the board is it okay? Um I'll send you the ecopy of mask revised plan. You guys can look at it and see make sure it's okay. Yeah. And I'll do that as well when I do restart it from the decision. Okay. Make sense? Yeah.

So that's that's the only thing I'll leave you with. And the site plan is we include the the handicap daily.

Yeah. What we approve tonight. We'll give it one more go. So you can send a deop if you want just to make sure everything's good. We'll look it over. We'll send it to um we should have Green take a look at it too just to send it. Make sure it's okay. Then I'll send it to these guys. So you give me some hard copies of it. You print it, you scan it, and off to the races for that. Um, where I already presented license, I'll take your top. So I'll get this to round to you guys. I'll tidy this up. I'll get this around this decision. when the decision will go ahead and file with the clerk 21 20 days you know but so um I think we're in

and just to confirm that ADA spot on site we're using the one that Dan showed on this plan or we're showing it'll have to be consistent you're going to have to put it near the building um I mean we can't approve and we did not approve move what we noted as a non-compliant parking spot. That's federal regs, state regs. I can't we can't do anything about that. So So and and the building and the bylaws our bylaws say that as well. Building commissioner wouldn't sign off on it either. I would presume. No. Right. I think that's it.

Yep. Um anything else you need from us? That's Thanks. Okay. Thanks. Thanks, Matt, for your time. Thanks for being and we gonna talk tomorrow and I'll be around. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. Good night. Bill planner update. Yeah. Um two little Oh, I'm putting the um

I'm putting um the RFP will be out next week, I believe, for all for all our stuff. Housing production plan. We know Mark is that Mark's gonna be the contact for that, right? You're gonna be the central. So, I'm gonna start roping you, looping you into stuff. Then I'll dump you out and we're going to have to go out. We're going have to find a consultant. We're going to put a bid out. Um I'll explain that to you later. But but anyway, and um for the powder mill um who was going to be in who did somebody want to work with me on I can't remember if somebody said on the powder mill grant. Does anybody

Oh, the grant. Yeah. When we start when we start getting to make sure that it's not just does anybody want to be the contact for the power mill grant specifically for the RFP or for the work? Well, just kind of my contact with it if I need some just, you know, to make sure it's not a glorified bike lane. Yeah, that's fine. All right. So, Mr. Branch and the ADA we got or that's going out to the ADA, which I do have the ADA commission with it. So, I don't really mean anybody. It's not really our purview really much anyways. Not really.

But it turns out I have a lot of opinions about it. So, that's helpful. Well, what I was going to say is that they can they can come and we can advise. Yeah, we can advise. And here's something else. Advice. Sure. I know what I forgot to tell you guys last time. We provide we we applied with active on the um mascot something rather verb to to expand their shuttle service. Oh yeah.

Into Mayor including the powder mill overlay district. So we requested for I think it was four years funding so we could and it would serve Actton and Maynard residents. It would go to key destinations come to Mac and go there and go up and down uh powder. Is this part of the um MBTA compliance funding that they put out that Commonwealth put out?

Basically if you complied with MBTA you had access to additional funding that they put out. This was from the mascot I can't remember but it was a specific program to enhance microtransit in the area. So so we may get that and um the best uh Chris and Zoe are working on it. Yeah, I'm failing spectacularly that. So working to try to

devote some time to it. Um, we're going to have a probably a very light town meeting is my guess. A town meeting might just be like a couple of little cleanups because the subdivision regulations haven't gotten back yet from uh DPW and that's not sure. And uh data center we're we're researching still. And there you go. That's all I got. I'm going to be out next. I mean unless I come down now like monkey box next or something. Um, oh, so good. I hope you show up with Monkey Fox. That'd be great.

And then whatever is out there, I don't see any coloring. And then I'll, um, um, so we don't have anything next week as of now. Anyway, Zoe will be your contact. I'll probably be out if we if we don't do we need to meet next time if we don't have any applicants. Unless you want to cancel. Is it too late? What? No, not for a sake, man. Yeah, at some point I want to talk about dark sky stuff. I'm actually prepared this time. You want to do it tonight or can you?

No, cuz we haven't we haven't No, I haven't even made Bill look at any of it yet. So, but maybe next time or if we cancel it whenever. Well, the next meeting. Yeah. Okay. So, Bill, next meeting for Dark Skies. Yeah, I'm ready to talk about Yeah, Zoe. Zoe will be there. Yes, I talked to Zoe about it. Oh, she's she knows about it, right? Would this be rules and regs? This would be updates to our rules and regs. Yes. Should Zoe and I be presenting any of our best stuff here before it goes further or what does Okay. Yeah, the the way we should do that, we can have a meeting full of pet projects.

I will try to get my act together. Um Zoe also had a meeting about data centers which is probably going to get lumped in there. So um we'll just put them both to discuss. Not as hearings, just discussions. No discussion. Okay. Yeah. No, not ready for hearings.

Um and that'll be good. And uh probably things can take off the quickest right now is going to be housing production. And then we have to figure out we're going to have to figure out after have to consultant you know maybe MVPC it maybe who knows whoever we get and um put together an advisory committee again which we want to get a crosssection and we'll and Mark's mind is going to be blown when I show him some of the incredible trove of literature I

don't have any mind left to blow It's already gone. That's it, guys. That's all I got. Thank you. I'll make a motion to close the meeting. Second. All in favor to close, please return by to close. Thank you. Thanks. So, as of now, we don't know if there's a meeting