Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

approval of the agenda motion I I'll make a motion two motions one was the first and one the second I'll second to approve the agenda all in favor say all right car approval of the minutes from February 4th to 2025 Planning Commission meeting last month's May yeah last month's I didn't see anything that needed to be updated to change I didn't either I'll make a motion to approve them second motion made and second to approve minutes from February 4th any discussion all in favor say I I I oppos carried zoning ordinance update discussion this looks like a future worksheet yeah so we've been talking about this for a couple years um kind of at staff level since we did the comprehensive plan a few years ago uh there's some things in the zoning ordinance that need update to be consistent with the comprehensive plan it's actually one of the um um requirements or I should say it's one of the um goals in the comprehensive plan is to get this updated so we've been talking um and we're ready to start working on that this year and we kind of put together a little presentation here tonight just to kind of go over what we're talking about and really what we're here to is kind of the kickoff to start that process um and then we're looking for some feedback if anyone's got some specific items that may you know you want to have some interest in as we go through it so in the report I kind of got a uh table on page one and that's basically the kind of schedule of what we're looking at this year now this schedule is not set in stone if something needs extra time we can always take another month to you know go over some additional stuff if need be but as as you look at it we kind of broke it down by sections you know which is what the current zoning ordance is now and then we'll look at these at each of these meetings as we go so every month we'll kind of talk about

certain things and everything's good we move on to the next month the next couple months here um you know we're going to basically be doing a lot of drafting is which I'll be working on so I'll have some of this draft stuff and it is possible if need be we can come back in April too and discuss it but um kind of the plan was to start coming back in May and then by the end of the year the plan would be to have a public hearing and get this officially adopted and we'd have an updated zoning ordinance so moving on um to page two and going into page three this is kind of just the proposed kind of sections I guess um BAS I took what's existing and kind of adjusted a few things accordingly but this is kind of and it's not once again set in stone so it can be adjusted but it's kind of just gives you an idea of the breakdown and what we're going to have and going to be going through so if you go back and look at the schedule on the page one you can kind of look at each section and see when we're going to talk about those items so in general we have you know the main sections like General Provisions Administration enforcement and you know and so on and each each of those we have you know smaller categories of stuff to talk talk about you know currently right now we have things like the site plan review which is not in that section it's in a different section we're going to move that into Administration and enforcement which is where it should be there's a few things like that we'll kind of just adjust there also some of the text and some of these items will be you know looked at and um basically that's kind of what we're here for tonight is kind of go over that and see if you have any thoughts um a few of the items that I did you know mention um in my report you know are stuff like U minimum lot sizes and width for single family lots um tree preservation requirements for new developments or subdivisions that's stuff we don't have right now um basically Landscaping requirements for commercial districts which we've talked about in the past um you know the stuff building design standards for commercial industrial properties uh the the storage container uh discussion which came up recently and

was put on hold until this process kind of went through so it gave us more time to kind of plan for that um you know so that them are just some of the items I guess to to kind of talk about um you know a few other items that could be brought up um that Nick had sent me the other day you know excluding Garden sheds under a certain size for accessory building count um you know these would be them really small ones like a you know 6 by eight or 8 by10 or something you know I think that's kind of what we're talking about here because right now in the residential areas you get one accessory building if that's a 6x6 garden shed that's it that's what you get you don't get a detached garage you don't get anything else unless you tear down that shed the idea being is give the give everybody the oneof garden shed and then still allow them to build a proper accessory accessory structure as well correct and then in relation to the the accessory buildings we have a 17 foot maximum height on these uh structures right now uh that's been there's been requests for larger taller structures I know there's been a few over the years where we've kind of gone through variance requests so we we at like the height requirement possibly for that um you know allowing for a allow excuse me re looking at the allowable surfaces for parking pads now this is about five six years ago I want to say this came up um so you kind of relook at that maybe there's some discussion on you know like a gravel surface along the side of the garage um or river rock or something like that yeah not not gravel River Rock River Rock Red Rock could be a uh parking pad surface that's allowable cheaper than asphalt or concrete wouldn't count against impervious surface but you can't do your driveway in river rock or anything like this but like a parking pad yeah quickly for parking pad so that's something we could talk about um like percentage like the 35% can we can we bring is that would would that be then included in something like this too River Rock with sand under

wooden right right but I'm just talking in general if somebody wanted to do something yeah so the kind of list we're going over here was just it was things that I had in my head that didn't want like to slip off the radar right we'll be looking at things like zoning districts themselves how much off street parking are we going to get what are the lot coverage percentages for each district okay okay setbacks do we want to adjust those we'll hit all the main points okay yeah so these are just some little items that may come up in one of these sections and got it you know the other one is looking at where you can park recreational vehicles again um you know lot coverage requirements which we just we just mentioned for Residential Properties I know quite a few years ago used to be 25% it changed to 35% as we just kept getting variance after variance I think I don't know if we've had many variances since it's gone to 35 it seems to be working pretty well um you know look at where 4 foot versus six-foot fences are allowed especially Corner Lots uh examining the commercial districts and adding an industrial district or districts from that matter I know one of the items as we talked about in the VM property is having an industrial district there we don't really have one in the zoning orance so there's been talk over the years of creating that I think now would be the time to do that you know be some sort of maybe light Industrials business Parks type District maybe we had two U maybe one for now just to start we'll see where it goes since there's not a ton of industrial property in the city um as far as the commercial districts you know we right now have the downtown and then kind of the general business which is kind of your Highway business district and then we have a commercial industrial district uh which is kind of where shim cor is under that um you know looking at that and maybe we go to a true downtown district the true you know commercial district and more like you call them I don't know like a neighborhood type District or something like that and then separate the industrial from the commercial because sometimes they don't

always you know mesh well together but those are things we can look at as we go um I already mentioned story container the off street parking prohibiting a parking of anything on grass potentially uh prct the long dumpster how long dumpsters may be allowed in residential property this would be for like you know new construction or remodeling things like that um so that's just some of the items there maybe there might be others up that come up as we go on uh one thing like with the residential districts that I was looking at is you know right now we have the R1 district and that's your standard single family uh the lot size for the R1 is 85 feet wide mayor's never done a development under this R1 designation with 85 foot Lots before uh the last few projects have been you know repats like Hidden Creek and cold water crossing um and they've gone back to the original approval which was a 75 foot lot which goes back to the original R1 zoning years ago uh maybe we look at adding it you know my thought is adding two residential districts so having an R1 basically stay pretty much as it is right now and then having an R2 which would be a single family District but it would allow for um you know like smaller lots for instance which we're seeing in some of these areas we've had some discussion on different properties about doing you know more like a villa lot you know maybe this is where the R2 District comes into play then have an R3 lot which is kind of similar to what our R2 is now where you can allow for some single family allow for some twin ohms and allow potentially for some Town OHS you know maybe up to four units a unit or building I should say which is what the current R2 district is so we're you know kind of adding a separate single family District to keeping the bigger lot one and having a smaller lot one and then the R4 which would be uh more your medium density type stuff this would be TW Town Homes up to like 12 units an acre you know Twin Homes you know stuff like that so allows for additional density and then your R5 which is your

multif family District which would be your high density that allow for your apartments senior housing you know potentially town home you know High town home developments or density developments and then each of these would have different you know lot coverages for instance the R1 at 35% works pretty well but if you do an R2 with smaller lots and let's say these lots are minimum 65t wide by 120 deep um 7,800 square feet would be the size you maybe you go 50% on those because a lot smaller and you're gonna have less room to utilize that um you know as you go up you know the multif family maybe you can go up to 75% on that which is what a lot of cities have so so that's something to look at you know we can get to that chap or that section we'll talk this through um I do think the current residential districts probably need a little updating just to kind of get up to speed with what a lot of other communities are doing right now and I know when we do have developers come into and talk they always talk about something that's never truly what our districts allow for so we're trying to look for a little more variety that may spur some development or growth here in the town and kind of go from there so one thing to remember with that too is under our land use plan uh we have density requirements so the low density was basically one unit to 3.9 the medium was four units to 9 0.9 and the high was 10 units to 22 uh units an acre so that kind of coincides with these different districts too as you go up they kind of so there will be some overlaps for say for instance the some districts might be allowed in both the medium or the low density depending on where it's at um but you know that's stuff we can talk about specifically at that time but really we're here to see if you guys got any suggestions or any ideas of things that really need to be looked at so when we get to that we can kind of focus on that make sure we're updating what we need to update anything anybody has that jumps out Adam related to zoning development construction like Johnny mentioned we

have the commercial industrial and I'd like to tease those apart where we have a C3 that's true commercial you still have that 30% brick requirement type of stuff which you want to see but then have a True Light industrially where you don't have those requirements they can build their pole shed like buildings they can go raw like that have stuff out in the open with you're not required to have all this screening it's a true industrial area so if you're driving in there you don't like how it looks well too bad don't drive in the industrial area because it's it's not going to look trashy but it's going to have that raw industrial look that's good anything else looking for feedback unless you got some feedback yeah when it comes up us feedback I guess yeah I don't know it's like you got start when you get into it you find more questions but nothing's really been bugging me but I'm getting to be older you guys see anything should be more change like what he said I suppose I mean I'm sure as you get into it you'll find stuff yeah you're gonna be discussing it down yeah we're gonna have to focus more on the yeah start start breaking them off into sections and well the thing is we don't have much for R2 R3 any of that stuff yet until the new developments come in right well there's quite a few properties owned R2 right now especially around the downtown area like sunset uh Meadows is right right right but there are some in those properties like if you look at these downtown blocks you can go up to a 4un townhouse on those lots based on the current code it's not you know you might think it's just a single family block but that zoning does allow for that type of density so um it's something to think about now we haven't had much for people wantan to do things like that but when the end of Fifth Street out there across from the school

they built that house a few years ago there was people looking at doing fourplexes on that because that one lot is zoned R2 I mean my opinion is now that it's been a single family structure that we should probably rezone that back to an R1 designation because of what was built there but for whatever reason that lot was owned our to so they had the ability to do different uses and there's a lot of people over the years looking at doing different things there and just finally somebody built a single family house I guess I got to just look at the map and see what's what the one by high Ballfield yeah there is a corlex there right next to it yeah but that that weird like townhouse house but it's like a duplex but it's a single family that's why I was kind of wondering you're saying single family I'm thinking well that that existing one was a duplex the new one is basically single it's basically yeah it it's like someone's tore down a new one you're saying lot there yeah right that's it's built yeah right there with the concrete driveway then the fourplex or whatever's next door that one right there it's kind like a mini apartment or whatever yeah it's a big house compared to the apartment yeah they built a big one there two three four is that eight four I know that lot had issues with sewer and water once that road got redid they kind of allowed it to develop because it was always who's going to pay for what cost you know on once the road was built kind that it would be nice to see some apartments or townhous more town houses come in yeah because there is there's a lot of development happening right now and this year is going to be very busy with what's going on out there and like I know wone has got a couple big projects in the in the works right now some really big ones so was hidden to moving at all the southern south south of 70th or south of haven't heard a lot more on that no one of the ideas I had in my

head not to turn it out there um down here vinam Myers's land and east of it this area this area this is where I would see the next and the industri the light industrial areas going yep one of the thoughts in my head was oh yeah I don't know what it would look like I don't have details but if you do this up and it's Industrial Area the boat sheds can move down here by some miracle again I got nothing against the boat sheds um but if they could move down into this the into that developed area for industrial then just as John was saying I think up here this could this East Side could return back to some housing type of stuff I think over here if you have one of those apartment complexes like well facility or something or byone is downtown that's going up something of that is nature Yep this would be a great location for it both buildings are actually guided for high density is what they have been forever so even though it's a different use it is guided for high density long term now the other thing is on the West Side you see where there's the one building there's like a spot below that for two more those are actually approved for two more buildings so at some point in time he has the ability to construct two more structures there too so the odds of that moving I don't know if that's going to happen he's still not fully belt out here but yeah I just don't know if there could be a lance maybe I don't know well there's three storage sheds what's your opinion on that would you think that would be a apartments or you think that'd be single F in on the east side yeah yeah it's guided for commercial industrial right now on the east side so strip mall or something like that you know but yeah even even downtown apartments is yeah can be popular that'd be nice with

businesses underneath stylist coffee shop whatever that would make a lot of s that's the Redevelopment opportunity I see in there but I just don't know what that easy lever is to make it happen other than oh yeah wouldn't we then have to acquire the vinkam property yeah that's when you talk commercial Industrial Development down here um the sewer line would come from 7th Street up here because it's about 40 feet in the ground right about well here where a dead ends and then we would take that down into this area because the capacity on this sewer line limited not as much to carry this whole area so we need to bring the sewer down from this way water can come from right here because the tower is right there but sewer should come from the north and that sewer will serice that entire area what is that quarts Avenue out there basically all the way out to quarts Avenue so that's all currently in the future land use growth area but that sewer and the the trumpy property yeah is kind of where it controls the sewer right now so and I do believe he's actively looking to sell that property really I just heard he wasn't I talked to him about three weeks ago okay I was like Eric it's list I thought it was listed already yeah that one and then the one out on the west side west of Hidden Creek North of 70th also what about the property west or east of uh Lutheran High there you have what one you got six houses right there because there's still sand and gravel that's still in the township too that's still Township not even that's not City Limits really just the one house is the very last hous is y on the south end so would they be able to hook up I mean what would you have to do to change that or was it worth changing or the council

council's talked about this at first I was looking at that pretty hard now I don't know if an independent project right here I don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze yeah it was we talked about you know in the the very south of that road you'd have to have a fir truck being able to turn around it just takes up too much yard or too much space in the road would have to be double and it's just too much it's just slam the kind the city does own the big parcel kind of south of the track area you know to the west of that Road North yeah yeah but it's all Wetland so if you were to put a turnaround there you could do it but you're impacting a wetland so you got to deal with that but it can be done the only good thing is that a majority of the originals are gone off that street that gave the most push back gotcha I think you could do it it's not that you couldn't there wouldn't there wouldn't be a fire truck it just wouldn't unless they requested it if all the neighbors got together saying we want to this type of thing I I think if you did it you would try to look at putting a culde saac probably on the city property and have I supp I mean that's that's that's longer than your required colge so you do something on the west side in that corner if you can get one of the neighbors to give a little there's enough on that little yeah right there there I just don't see the benefit to the city or the homeowner yeah well they're hooked up to water and suitors so well they are but I mean some have brand new wells too yeah so the sheer cost that road to them is going to be astronomic oh yeah it's going to cost each one of them 25 oh keep going more than that probably I'd say more in the 50s and 60s because you got to double wide the road curb Gutter and who knows what the subgrade is in that road either you know it could be bad subgrade now you're SOL correcting and all that and who can afford that I mean honestly from a home homeowner perspective it'd be like

absolutely not at some point in time they are going to need you know in water right get out to septic and well and that's probably when and I think that's when you when you talk about bringing this South that and if trumpy develops I think about that's a time where if you got a main running by on this end then you that's what I'm getting at so we make it so it's conven down 20 years or 30 years at least it's not going to be a huge stub it out to the properties and as their stuff goes bad hook it up yep Road still might be funky since everything faces West right but it' be more convenient actually to do it from the backside than doing it from the road side then anyhow yeah so if you could have utilities on this side then then you at least get hook them this way and have properties here that hook this way Y and if it's already developing out it's more of a shared cost and it's possible one or two of those lots could split a separate lot off because they are bigger than a standard City lot you know if they got the frontage and it's allowable you know you'd want to stub it in so everyone can get their equal shares so that might be a way for somebody to yeah it's going to cost me 50 Grand or whatever but I could sell a lot for 70 grand possibly when it's all said and done so makes sense so that's the thought process on there and tying that all in are you g to thinking well just getting the sewer there but not thinking about doing a road or anything like that quite then or not at this time well not at this time the focus would be the industrial Park yep and if trumpy decides then to develop here well at least he got the sewer sewer line in the area and I would try to locate the sewer line in an area where if trumpy did develop a road would likely be where that sewer line is so you're not putting it through eight buildable Lots type of thing try to place it intelligently for

the future try to have you talked to vme at all about quiring or we're on camera sorry we'll see I guess my concern would be if he wants to great if he doesn't we'll go east uh either property but try to keep say the front edge road businesses to have brick or look presentable or office space and then on the backside maybe no this isn't this is industrial so just keep it industrial industrial yep none of that 30% brick work stuff okay that's shim cor type of stuff that's not GNA yeah could they could you have an office going there if they really wanted to but understanding they will understand this is an industrial space you're not coming into a pretty area right okay there is long term you know the trunk Highway 25 bypass is supposed to go a little bit further to the east that were 25 the future connection would be across in 30 there might be some commercial at the corner there not major commercial but maybe like a gas station strip mall or just some minor stuff but that is a possibility for the future there as well there we go yep I got this see that little red box down there that could be some future commercial where that roll that's that's shim cor right there for reference this is vinam Myers's land yeah and that purple North South Line there is not quartz but the one in the middle is the future Trunk taiway 25 bypass Corridor roughly now that's not set in stone it can shift and stuff like that but that's kind of what was looked at in the comp plan update a few years back so God they've been talking about that for years yeah and even if it doesn't switch you know it the city does need kind of north

south if all that land was developed you're going to need your own City collector roads you know with your half mile spacing and things like that anyways so so something on that does County pick up some of it in city or is it depends it's all it's mostly developer driven okay so um nothing's going to probably happen if nobody decides to develop yeah but uh you know normally if it's uh you know it's not a county road going north south it'd be a city road shortterm and longterm may become a state road may become a County Road depending on where the longterm Mar South State Highway through this are is I know there's been talk 25 could shift over to what is it 33 I think it is oh further west is that new Germany I think it runs through so I mean there's a lot this is we're talking decades here so it's hard to say but you kind of gota plan for these corridors because if you don't you know the old Corridor went right through where Fieldstone is Fieldstone developed nobody ever kept the corridor so it had to shift to the east because now there's development there yeah so you know it's it's kind of if it's not planned for you just keep developing you never get that Corridor Y and you have troubles so okay would it just makees sense to make quartz 25 I mean you're dang near there uh possibly I mean you really got something you're almost there I mean you wouldn't have to do probably near the work would you yeah it it that's there but if you go south getting that back over to the current 25 isn't as simple and the same thing going north quartz basically there's almost no way to get it back you'd have to go north up to seven and now your intersection or interchange seven and 25 isn't where courts would you know come out we kind of show a purple road going up there yeah I see but but it's not it doesn't really follow over to the roundabout you know so there's there's some of that that was looked at not saying it couldn't happen

if you know it would take a lot of you know stuff to take you know make it happen but it's things happen you know it's possible then if you go north now you're realigning 25 going north of seven as well so 25 is that come from Hamburg 25 I'm well you mean going south no Hamburg does a 25 go through hamburger or not uhuh it do so 33 does make the most sense yeah because you're driving right past the new roundabout that they made Baylor Park is just a little bit and you're right to 30 New Germany and keep going the church property there would the road go straight South is that what I'm gathering 25 sorry I'm getting on where blue J or there right there yeah the church property is in that kind of striped area yep right right to the left of that red square that's a church property okay so yeah what okay so yeah you'd be cutting through quite a few Farm fields for 25 yeah but long term that sewer line could service that whole area all the way out to courts long term yep H yeah this that would come South and then the sewer line would go east of course and Branch where it needed to long term get these areas interesting so those orange areas on this map are kind of the medium density which would be these you know potentially these lower single family lots or you know Twin Homes town homes and the round areas with a high density which could be like the apartment senior housing and remember this map it's a guide it's not something that's supposed to be locked in stone so if something comes in and they want to adjust it and it makes sense and it's a good development you can do a comprehensive plan Amendment which has to get approved

through the Met Council but you can go through that process and allow that to you know change as you go and it doesn't happen you know it happens fairly regular in a lot of communities if they got a lot of development but um you know because sometimes things make more sense after the fact so MH are they proposing to put a bridge back in on 70th there is that what that means um making that an artery there on well 9th Street 70th Street there well there was talk about not a bridge but maybe that road would curve up north to 30 right now you got the jog on 25 that you go west curve it up north and that would be kind of the East West Corridor okay but I don't know if there's enough room and space to make that all work I mean it's that was looked at when we did that plan but I was just curious yeah we kind of looked at that option but that I don't know if it you kind of run out of room because the river is not much further west there you know it's right off to the west of that that orange and brown area so you'd have to start curving back just at the West End of Hidden Creek basically to make that work you know up through that trumpy property and a lot of woods and Wetland up there kind of the north south of 30 and got it and you really can't go east because you got the the what do you call it the bike trail east of 25 and that's all kind of set in stone with that bike trail you know yeah if hidden expands you basically if you run that tree line back there it'd be your best bet for a road yeah cool it's interesting to look at so as we're thinking about the zoning ordinance changes stuff Pops in your head write it

down email it shoot it over Aon thoughts again it's just not strictly lot coverage size things it's a you General Uses of property I guess I had to mention how many Rec recreational vehicles where they can be I know we have some where they'll Park them under a porch or deck for the season deck for the season like that and what do you want to see that would be okay and what kind of stuff don't you want to see that's going to make Town look crudy and and I'll say the first section that we're looking at reviewing is the general provisions and administration section those are pretty non-controversial it's basically you know your definitions your you know just kind of your basic stuff the administration section is basically your cup variance it just describes all that so we're getting into a lot of the true zoning stuff but it's kind of gives you the the basis of your whole ordinance so that section should be pretty straightforward but then as we get further on and get into the other sections that's where we start getting things we can go One Direction or the other depending on what you want to do so it's crazy to see all this when you grew up in town isn't it it used to be just that little square it used to be 455 people what I remember that was 455 people long as the biggest it's ever gonna be that's why we do this stuff we want quality growth not just quantity growth right are you able to to email that to us so we can draw on it yeah I can email on this map yeah this the map or not well this is a future land use map we're not really changing this okay it's more the zoning ordinance that text okay so this was approved as part of the comprehensive plan Amendment um I guess if they just want to doodle on it for ideas yeah so

you know where C you know R2 and R1 and all that kind of stuff is so we so yeah this is this is this is in the comp plan so this says where is it going to be this is where the plan where should it be going the zoning map is what it is today okay so this is our zoning map yes I'd like to see I'd like that one like that one please that's the one I'll send both thank you send everything thank you just so we kind of have a better idea going into this what's what where's what that's one of those things we we stare at these things all the time yeah we forget not everybody stares at as as much as we do just so everyone knows that light green area up in the Northeast there that's the annexation area it's technically not in the city it's in the township but we have zoning authority over that area so that's all zoned agricultural as it's in the township but if a property was to be sold and developed it comes in and would get reone to one of the other districts at you know like a R1 or whatever got it so so if someone bought 30 Acres or five ACR you'd Zone it back to R1 them type thing depends what what it's guided for it has to match up with that land map kind of show that so yeah this is as it is today right so if somebody wanted to do something then we would need res Zone it yeah and that kind of showed it didn't it was right here a little bit yeah this says this is what we see it in 20140 yeah some of and some of these categories can have multiple zoning districts that fit under it like the commercial there's multiple commercial District so that's why I said it might be R1 it could be R2 depending on what the proposal is right yeah if whoever is willing to develop it or corre purchase and that's where somebody comes in and has an idea that we didn't think of and they say well we want to change it to this and it makes sense you can actually go back and amend that land use map through the me Council and through the

city to you know completely accommodate what they're doing so makes sense yeah this area is why when that guy came in he wanted to do that shed yeah that's why we had to deal with it that makes sense got it all right cool you guys done with number four or you want to keep talking about anything else I don't have anything else I don't have anything else see number five next meeting Tuesday April 1st 6:30 number six commissioner's report is Leon getting a plaque of some sort yeah I'm working on that okay so it's not next meeting you said it's going to be a plan and Zoning or is it going to be at we'll have it at planning and zoning okay um mayor and I talked about that and feel for board commission members presentation of those fls the boards and commissions will do it since that those are the people they worked with the most closely and then it will be acknowledged at the city council level perfect so hopefully I'll well I'll have that ready I just didn't want to miss it if I went to the city see if Les can make it into the next meeting here we can thank him for his help since he got on the Planning Commission shortly after he disembarked from the Mayflower been on a long time anybody else anybody want to say anything about the uh crey what's happening there uh closing will be mid-march on that and the their tentative plans at this point are to do uh rentals um apartments up top on the second floor with commercial on the bottom floor their choice is to rehab itate the

building the gentleman buying it he is an architect lives in St Louis Park and uh he has a sweetheart here in mayor and they are going to be getting married in June okay good for him and his initial was they're going to be is going to be working on most of that in 2025 just Shoring up the building getting plans specs things all ready to go so I and I've made him aware that we're looking at all the zoning stuff so some of that might be in flux as he's going through his planning process but we'll keep him a prize so he doesn't feel left out on that anything else on number six nope number seven motion second motions made to do a number seven adjournment any discussion all in favor say I I oppos motion uh count [Music] hands motion carry well ain't number nine I like saying number nine number nine number nine