Planning and Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

We're going to convene the meeting of the development review committee meeting June 9.

2006. My name's Christopher Grant, Senior Planner. We'll go around the room and introduce ourselves. And just again, as a reminder, if we speak, please say your name. We'll start over here. David Chilwell, Power Marshal. Mark Young.

I'm going to be assisting there. Lori Hofer, Executive Police Department.

Paola Cusaca, Community Engineering Department.

Christopher Grant, Senior Planner.

Ms. Chachereau, Development Services Director, Amanda Ingram, Development Services, Current Sessions.

Now, if I didn't allow me that, Mariana Valdez.

Mariana Valdez.

Mariana Valdez. Mariana Valdez. Ron Last, Civil Engineer.

All right. So, I guess the purpose of this meeting is to go over the development This really meeting was for you to be able to respond and understand any of the comments we have. The goal is for you to just respond this one time to these comments and we were able to send this back to the committee and have this resolved. So that's about it. We have to have another meeting if that makes sense. Let's try to get to the point where we do a recommendation approval based on what we're doing. So we'll address the comments and some minor changes so we can get this gentleman on the way. So we have the comments sheets out. It may be the comments. So when we talk about comments, your questions are asked for the same reviewer's name and the reference number. you might have yours printed out on a spreadsheet we have ours printed out on our word document yes just so that we understand we're all on the same page and look at all kinds of things and i have the in the background here i can put plans up you need to point things and i don't know if you're able to see the project docs and look at the change marks and see how we So where would you like to begin?

Did y'all have a chance to review all the comments? Yeah. OK. Yeah. So did you have questions on some of those, or?

Yeah, we have a couple of questions. OK. So let's start with comment number 67 from Chris. He's saying that maybe we don't need to leave the .. landscape street landscape.

Well, it turns out you I do. You do have to the people that didn't plan to review the documents and you did.

Okay, because we could use it to locate to write a spot that are very poetic here, like number six, and number 10. So that's all the problem.

Let's pull up the plan just to be sure. All right. So where the code reads is wherever there is an ingress, egress, easement, the landscape department is waiting. Wait. Okay.

This whole thing.

There's an aggressive versus so it's required along this except where there's a driveway. My hope was that it might not have been required around here to help you out with like the dumpster and all that, but it is. The cross access season doesn't apply to these sides of the to these sides of the property, but it applies all the way across the southern, southern boundary. Okay, so that was answered by your, your people, the teacher, your subdivision service.

Okay, so so coming back to the parking space. If we look at. For example, number 79.

Okay, let me see. Second. Well, they're very sorry.

It is going to be incredibly difficult for a vehicle parking in the last spot space to back out without some type of relief in the pavement. That's parking space number six, I believe. Is it possible to encroach, let's say, some of the landscape street to help out? No.

It's an absolute, but the other thing that isn't an absolute is how many spaces you have. The number of spaces you need on the property are what's determined by your traffic engineer confirmed by our traffic.

It is number minimum 10. That's what we have.

I'll repeat again. The code does not have any requirements stated for your use. The number of spaces you need are determined by you and your professional.

then confirmed by our professional where he'll be at so in that case we will have to remove let's say two more response probably to to make this work better yeah i think that those owners you know do have documentation backing up that you're going to have enough parking and the owners cannot can confirm that they're not going to use all this parking space maybe we can so in fact

as part of this application that you say how much parking you need, your parking generation, what's going to be needed, you know, number of employees, shifts, all that sort of thing that you use to actually back it up as part of your master parking plan, I believe we can accept that. And not for nothing, there's a CF parking around the whole site that's unused.

Excuse me, can we just hit the traffic, the two traffic individuals are armed with some

So again, the number of spaces required are determined by you. And then we just confirmed that they'll be added. So this one, that one was there. And then you saw the other comment is the loading zone is not required on a building of this size.

Yeah, we're going to move the spot to there and remove the number 10 that we added because of the loading space that we saw.

And then on number seven, I would suggest both These become parallel. We'll start.

Yeah, they are just Yeah, just to the struggle.

All right. So hopefully that that's helpful.

The other question we have exactly what it's about the percentage of glass that is required.

Okay. Yeah.

The first page. The business must be. Visibility. This is not a measure of the solid surface area. That is a very important one because the owners, they could not, they will not be able to afford

50% of glass on the main facade facing the road. That's why we added 50% of glass on the two smaller facades. Thank you.

Thank you, Stavis. Just complementing, which is the store it faced room right there.

Exactly, because we had one meeting, I don't know which meeting we had, and we discussed that the main facade would be the one facing the Hollywood- Let's keep going up here. Yeah, exactly.

All right, now, in his comment, he literally just repeated what the coach said. and then says it's unresolved. He didn't say, oh, it's not resolved. So let's read it again. 50% of the linear front end of the business has been raised and allowed unobstructed visibility in the interior space. This is . So I'm having to, what is exactly, is this, cra guideline department saying so what is the rate i guess the issue would be what is the linear frontage of the business so i see i see this whole side of the building with a substantial amount of windows so uh so let's see what what is the what is your linear prototype

All right, so this is the linear frontage of the business. So I'm trying to understand what does the linear frontage actually mean?

this is your only this is your your roadway frontage is this little piece right here that leads up to the building so well we have that discussion with andrew um facing the hollywood uh the boulevard

to where, can you point to where, where Andrew stated? You can go up there and point to where you're saying is the frontage. Okay, so here.

Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly there. Show the picture. Here and here.

Yeah, does that do that?

Yeah, that would be interesting. From here, the corner is over here on the right, all the way over here to the left.

This is that side of the building. Hollywood Boulevard, right? Hollywood Boulevard.

This right here, we're going back and forth. It was that whole side of the building.

We even thought maybe it's a diagonal.

Yeah.

So that's why we included the corner glass.

see now that's comfortable with this comment there's perhaps just an issue that it wasn't documented on the plane so you didn't do you have to provide it is documented on the elevations that i have if you report a nation shape about me maybe a six seven and okay Over there.

Yeah. So that side according to the code to be 15% glazed area. That's why with the smallest window.

So on this part. That's the same this calculation for that six and seven.

We have 50% say.

Well, I have to say, I'm satisfied with your response. And your response to Andrew would be the summary of what we just, the response to these comments would be the summary of what you just said, your frontage, is that portion is facing holiday spring boulevard c sheets such and such a six a seven for you see the sheet a seven for the calculation showing that we comply with this code section okay excuse me thank you that was my question so maybe ron has questions i've got a couple yes sure

I'm wrong laugh. She 3 reference them the acre saying so all truck running movement is that that's the delivery trucks for. You're most of what it's a very reference on the subject there.

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Which is such an awful truth. Would this be something that also, Paula, would this be something that you would program on as well? Because this is more of a civil engineering issue than CRA design issue.

Yeah, this is Paula from, well, who's I got from this? Lisa in there?

Yeah.

This traffic, our traffic, I think they also put a note there, another comment, comment number 96. Okay. Referencing auto for the trucks.

Okay, is that his delivery truck? Are we talking fire trucks? We're talking dumpsters or dump trucks?

In my preference, we want to see that. We want to see the fire truck. I don't know what the biggest truck is.

Okay, I mean, the fire truck is not going to get in the parking lot, obviously.

Lisa?

Yes. you please comment on uh or provide um additional references to the comment number that you since that you put in here i just i i got a new computer so i'm just trying to get everything let me see if i can see my comments um okay um Which comment?

96.

96, please provide auto turn for truck.

Any loading truck? Let me go back to the site plan. Because the loading zone is up next to the side of the building. So is it going to back in from the right-of-way? Is it going to pull straight in and then back out to the right-of-way? How is it going to maneuver?

Okay. Lisa, Chris, what are the things that were pointed out in my comments and they're going to make a revision of their plan is a building of this size. The code does not require a loading zone. Okay. So that area there that's being designated as a loading zone is going to be gone with their revision.

Okay.

So do we need to show the maneuver for a truck like there's no loading zone?

I would probably, Lisa, you would probably want to see how the truck gets in and out of the building?

Well, I mean, is it going to park on the street and unload if you don't have a loading zone?

The question is, where are you going to park your truck to unload and unload it? Lisa, this is Liz. They are not fully into the parking. They're going to park, I guess, on the side is what it appears and use a forklift to take the materials into the building.

That's one.

I mean, it's a forklift that's going to drive in the street around the truck because it won't drive on the sidewalk. Are you okay with that?

Yes. My name is Talia.

Not you, the city. Not you, the city. Are you okay with having someone driving?

Can you stand up and show us?

Where are you pulling? Where's the truck pulling in? That's what I'm saying.

I can't see your screen, by the way.

So this is the zoning to load and unload. So we have to put in consideration that the retail, the parking spot for retail is in front of the store. So this is parking spots for employees. So anyways, we don't need to use these areas. But anyways, any movement... we can move our employees car, but it's not necessary. If it was straight to customer, this loading zone should be necessary. But in this situation, I believe this is the loading zone. And by the way, we plan to use internal area to park the truck. and get it out. If the truck is like a big truck, it's going to park on the street, on the easement. And we have a to access the goods that are coming to, for example, flour, are coming to the warehouse.

He was indicating that the truck was going to be probably close, coming close to the back entrance on the west side of the property for delivery.

Can you say that, Lisa? Yeah. But I thought they were going to get rid of the loading zone, but they were going to still pull the truck into that area? That, right.

It should be the west, but it's the back of the building.

The back of the building is the area of a supermarket. It's a very heavy use for trucks beside our land. We can see on the, yeah, on man. No, so do they, so they're... I'm pointing again, Elias, I'm sorry. I'll put a point or eight point for you. Yes, this is the loading area of El Bodegón, this here. And after the easement, they used to come here and access here. But after the easement, I start to see trucks from then coming to the easement and enter in this. They call this is the loading zone. But I'm not telling that we're going to use the ERA. I'm just telling that it's become frequently trucks coming to this area. It's something that is possible. And for me, by the way, it's a concern because they are using heavy trucks to a path that is very, it's more fragile, you know. Anyways.

So are the trucks coming into the site and then backing out onto the road? I'm just, because there's no turnaround for a truck. Once you pull into the parking lot.

Lisa, what he was saying was that the back parking lot is for employee parking. The customers are in the front, so they have the room potentially. If they have to move an employee vehicle, they can do that easily.

Right. HAB-Masyn Moyer- The whole point of radio is part can a truck not back up in the back up this way when the last one is going. HAB-Masyn Moyer- So. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Can a truck not do what i'm doing here with the last one.

HAB-Masyn Moyer- All the trucks that I have spots sometimes comes trucks like big trucks from suppliers right, so we are not with these tracks on this position is going out is going to be hard to turn around. These trucks, which is an exception, every two months we see these type of trucks, we go, we reach them with forklifts.

They park on the side and then they use a forklift to take the material to the side.

So this is calling from this station. Maybe if they are going to have two types of trucks delivering goods to this site and show both of them on how the process is going to be for both of them. If it's a smaller one, I don't know how big it will be. Then we'll have to get it to the property to back over on the west side and show that movement and how it's going to be coming out. In and out. And then the other type of truck that is going to be used, say, not that often, and how is it going to be there parking, I guess, on the side of the road, and how it's going to be accessed for leads. I don't know. I don't see. If you're going to show that, please let us know what is the grass. If you guys are going to use the sidewalk, the purple sidewalk, what is the passage you're going to be using from the truck to the back door on that property. Of course, we don't want to see you guys going through grass. So I want to see what is it beyond your property limits.

Right, not on grass. And the access easement still has to be maintained and passable off the road.

Yes. What time is that going to be? I don't know, but if there are more trucks coming, we can block that road. What would you do?

So the regular situation is 12 feet, 12 feet and vans, 12 feet trucks and vans we have, we use them. I'm just telling exception, sometimes. But the daily operation is vans and small trucks.

Small trucks consider two cars.

through three small cars. So this, we can turn inside my parking spot.

You want to see that? All right.

Right now, you are sending an operation by food factory. And we have a problem. It's a small department. This is Liz. Lisa, I have a question for them. What are your hours of deliveries?

Oh, okay. 7 p.m. to 4 p.m. 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. We sell frozen. We are not the regular bakery that used to bake at 4 a.m. and deliver 6 a.m. at

we sell frozen and they have a buffer like week using my frozen product so so this window 5 a.m 4 a.m 6 a.m to start this we'll just start with me this whole a lot easier so okay other questions in the comments uh yes ron last um

There was a question on the oil-grease separator. We indicated that it's here, 750. I mean, do you need more than that, or do you need a cut sheet for it, or?

It's small. I think my comment was to provide the detail.

Okay.

I don't think that's the detail.

I can get to PECO. That's what I'm planning on. Ron, what number was that? I'm sorry, 34. About halfway through, I think. And maybe one or two more. Reference number 44, which references the existing sanitary manhole in the Carolina Spring Shopping Center. I guess when I originally requested the asphalt, I didn't get back there. I only got the part on Holiday Springs, so I didn't realize that was back there. I don't see it out there, but it's probably buried, but we can find it.

Yes, it is visible. Okay. It has an eight-inch stone coming out of it.

Obviously, we don't need an eight-inch stone. Do I need to have another manhole or are we able to go to a reducer and do a six-inch?

Maybe, yeah, you can just get it not, just reduce the pipe and then just use a saw to connect.

Okay, that would be a great help. And that, I think, resolves some other issues between separations between sewer and water. Because now the sewer will be up the back, so there's not a separation issue there. So that was a great help. Thank you very much for that. I didn't realize that was there. Reference number 111, which is the existing access easements and port addition with potholes. So we had indicated to mail an overlay one inch. If we do that, add a note to repair potholes to the city's approval. Some of that effect, does that satisfy the comment?

This is Paula from Visa. They also show the areas where you will have to do the additional.

Okay, you want to see the actual um number 48 recommends relocating the dumpster or angling the dumpster i don't know if marianna or anybody looked at that number 48 they're saying to uh dumpster should be angled for efficient pickup yeah we're going to angle the dumpster because now we're going to probably remove the last

under that row. We can push a little bit. That's the reason we didn't do it. We want to maximize that space. But removing that platform so we can make it an angle.

This is Paula from GSD. Lisa, for if they angle the dumpster, we also want to see the other turn from movement for the dumpster.

Yeah, and show the doors. Where's the doors? Where do they open up into...

Right, yes.

Mariana, do you want to show us what you think you're going to do?

Well, now if we're doing an angle, most likely, we'll angle it like that. The doors will be here, and the truck will be like that. I don't know exactly how, but we'll be maneuvering to get on. like that in an angle, probably.

If the doors aren't within like the concrete area, then you'll probably, it would be better to stripe off where they open. So, cause they get left open a lot and I just don't want anybody to hit it.

Okay.

Yeah. Just taking consideration, this dump set has wheels. So it's, we can move.

Move it out.

Yeah. You can move it out to facilitate, to fork it.

This is follow from this. I don't think you move it because the truck is going to come there, park, pick it up with, lift it up, and it comes from the enclosure.

It's enclosure by concrete. But the employees of the company, of the truck company, they can move it. They usually can move it. They usually do that on my current property.

Well, your current property is Holden has different circumstances. We're starting here new. I'm sorry, Chris Gratz here. We're starting new here. The goal is to be able to just have the truck. The only thing that needs to be done is the gates need to be open and the driver just needs to pull in head first, hit the dumpster, and pull it and get it out. And so that's what the cover was designed so it's efficient. So that's the idea. So they can just come in, open up the gates, pick it up where it is, and put it back downwards.

This is this why why wouldn't they be able to roll it out by dumpster location, they roll it out pick it up and then roll it back well if it's.

This is new development is possible beside that way, and it should be designed, we shouldn't design something free attention works. are actually talking about this can be designed and co compliant and say what they can just operate within the existing space that's the idea.

That's their decision. If it takes more time to roll it out and pick it up, that's between them and their company. And I don't understand that.

This is what I'm saying. They're not going to get out of the truck. They get out of the truck, they pull the arms, get the dumpster, dump it inside the truck, put it back, and leave. That's all they're going to do. They don't get out of the truck. If they see any obstruction, they won't have to try to find it. So, yeah, we have to just make it as clear for them as possible.

But if anybody has any questions, that space has more for the truck.

They are only asking for them. They won't conduct the truck. Yeah. Do you want me to handle that?

I think so. Sorry.

I have another question for Lisa. This is Mary Adam. Lisa? Yes. Comment number 91 by the third generation statement using the first edition of the ITP, right? I asked our traffic engineer how he responded to that. I'm going to read his answer, okay? He is giving me two options. The table two of April 18, 2025, spread impact analysis submitted at the time of the application includes an ITE trip generation analysis using the 11th edition of the Institute of Transportation. Engineers trip generation manual, which has the latest ITE trip generation manual at the time of the application. Option two, we revised the traffic analysis to reflect the current edition of the ITE trip generation manual, which is the 12th edition. To be safe on which option to take and to minimize additional comments, let's ask that, that's what we wrote, ask that to move.

Since I've never seen any trip generation,

Well, it's one of the documents submitted.

It's out of date.

Because it was submitted at the time that his answer be the 3rd generation from the 11th edition and April 18, 2025 was the updated one. So should he is he required to To update?

I just, like I said, I hadn't seen this. I'm seeing it now, but... So it doesn't... It's only for parking.

I believe you have two documents there. One is for traffic and the other one is for parking.

It just says from 2025. I just see parking.

Don't you see another document there? Maybe it's not this one?

That's parking. That's the one I'm looking at. There's no other.

The one that is inside the concurrency analysis, maybe?

I don't know. This one here.

Okay, the file's labeled CONC, got PDF, Lisa. Let's see what this says. Yeah, it's in there. It's within that document. There's Dr. Gupta's statement within there.

Well, I would never have known that.

things they have to meet as part of the concurrency reports so that would be that's where they would go. One of the things to remember on your resubmittal whatever All these exhibits and attachments that have site plans with it, whatever your site plan is, needs to get put into all these documents, and those all need to be updated. Everything, the whole package needs to be consistent, so whenever we end up with the final site plan design, the landscaping, the civil, and the architecture, everything all coordinated, all the attachments to these documents.

You mean to do that document?

Yeah, all those need to be, everything needs to match.

So, but you're saying, now I heard someone say, let me go back to the site plan here, that the parking on the West is for employees. Well, the parking demand says you need five spaces just for the coffee shop. Where are these people supposed to park?

Well, that's why we created a walkway connecting the two parking spots. Because in case there's five customers, they can walk to the other side of the party.

Because your trip generation, the trip generation statement says... So your AM peak hour trips is 41. And so your driveway trips would be 21 in and 19 out. How is this being accommodated? I mean, there's, like I said, this is, I did not know this was in a document marked CONC. So I'm just looking at it now, but And you've got parking spaces, the parking spaces go over the sidewalk. The one to get that's next to the building has to drive over a sidewalk to get to it. And the ADA accessible, Matt, I'm very, you know.

Can you point out what you're saying?

The parking space on the west side next to the building has to drive over the sidewalk to get to. There's no way they can come into the driveway and hit that with a wheel stop. They're going to have and they're going to back out right over the sidewalk, over the grass.

I mean, we could be moving. Because we would like to remove some of the parking spots that are polemic, like the one on the number 6, maybe this one, number 7, and definitely number 10.

Right, but your parking study says you need 10 parking spaces to accommodate all your uses.

Beginning of the meeting, we discussed that we could... argue that the owners, though, they won't really use that much parking spaces for real. The owners can confirm that, right?

So I guess, Chris, I think one of the things might be overstated is coffee shop. I don't know if that was really the thing, was just going to be some retail. I didn't believe that this was going to be any intention to be a sit-down coffee shop at all. And again, what kind of retail? The retail of their product, which is a frozen bread. So this will be a little storefront where someone can come in and buy their frozen bread.

The decision to use coffee shop, I'm sorry, this Marianne. It was a decision from the traffic engineer because he had to use the uses available on the table. I'm not a traffic engineer. I don't really know, but I discussed with him a lot about that. We talk about using retail, but as far as I remember, retail was requiring more parking spaces. That's why we use a coffee shop. But basically, it's a small coffee shop that sells frozen bread. If I'm not mistaken, a retail would require more parking spaces than the number that we arrived at. This is Liz. Let me try to understand.

So you're a traffic engineer. use that term. Because I guess it was only the best term. The closest term to the use. Right.

That would require less parking. It's not exactly a coffee shop, but it's similar. It sells bread. And it doesn't require as much parking as a retail store. Like I'm tired. Okay.

Okay. Maybe Dr. Oteju has to just give a little bit more of an explanation for this. An explanation? A little bit more explanation about what you just said. Expand on the explanation like that so we basically can see and understand where he was coming from by using that and understanding what you're

what your expectation is on number of customers well I just I looked it up as a coffee shop wait let me see there's no one that he's using the only one that relates to more of a bakery type thing because there's not one let me see there's not like a use for a coffee shop with no drive through and no indoor seating

I guess we're just going to have to literally just do the best he can based on the technical data that's available. I guess we have to go with, I guess.

This is Liz. Lisa, they don't bake in the facility. They sell frozen, so somebody... I'm not going to go in there and have a cup of coffee and they're going to serve me a croissant.

Right.

But they are offering a retail service.

Yes, but it's just revenue. That is the speaking. The motto is just revenue.

So pick up my frozen package and have my coffee and walk out the door.

But you still have to park the car. So according to his parking, you know, you still need 10 spaces for an office, a warehouse, and, you know, a place to pick up some form of retail. Regardless, you have to, they're going to be parking on the grass if they can't find a spot. You can't, the backing out right into the right of way on a curve is, to me, that's problematic. You know, it's just, you're right on the curve. where you come in and the third spot with them all staggered like that, it's going to be harder to see with that third spot over there. If there's a car there, the other two people backing out aren't going to be able to see anybody coming.

I don't know.

I'm just... And the one cannot park over the sidewalk. It cannot drive up and over the sidewalk to get in and out in the grass and all that.

Are you referring to space number seven on the west side, Lisa?

I'm referring to seven. I'm referring to... Those are all going to be modified. I'm referring to seven and ten. Ten will be removed as well. Yeah, but you needed, your parking study showed you needed a minimum of 10 spaces. So if you start taking away, then your parking study doesn't, you know, you're not complying with what the need is. And ITE parking rates have a tendency to be a little low, you know, so they are better, you know, they're better for the development because they are lower than sometimes what occurs. But

At least I would suggest with this, you know, Dr. Ortega supplement this with the thing is telling him how many employees he has, how many cars they have, how many per ship. And so he can justify the numbers. You know, the ITE, you know, may not, may not be important to the ITE, but his further justification on the number of people that are actually going to be on this building.

Well, then you still need the five for the retail area. You know, I mean, or

Yeah, the five for the retail area will still be used in the back of the outer parking lot.

So you're saying how many people are working there in a two-story building? Because you have office, warehouse, and retail.

They have five people working there.

That's ten spaces then.

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah.

And then the other factor that this whole property is, there's a whole bunch of property all around it that nobody uses. There's plenty of other places.

Well, do they have a shared parking agreement?

The cross-access agreement. The whole center is subject to this cross-access because that's what the majority of their property is, is actually this ingress-egress cross-access agreement.

Could they have on-street parking, parallel parking in the front instead of the ones on the curve? Maybe leave the ADA space, but could they put the on-street parking on the curve, on the 10-foot area that says it's landscape but it's not showing as green?

This is landscape, it's not showing as green.

Well, it's not green, it's just, it says...

It is. We could use it as two parking spots, maybe parallel parking spots.

Right, because as we started off talking about before the code, one of the questions answered before is when there's an ingress-egress easement, where there's an ingress-egress easement, the landscape strip is not required.

So we could put parallel parking there and reduce some of the conflict with the pulling out on the curb.

Yes, yes, so where where it is being received received with the landscape strips on the part I was talking about when you're answering the question around here on around the property, it is requirement with right here along here where it's this ingress egress easement. The landscape code specifically says the landscape proper is wet.

Okay, well, they should try to put... Now, if you're saying you're going to use parking spaces at the shopping center to the north, there has to be some kind of connection then.

They could put some parallel spaces along the ingress easement here, Lisa. Right.

Okay.

Can we do another one on the other side? Is that right there? So we can... Because that area is not their property. This little angle, the angle. Because then we can put three parking spots, parallel parking spots, probably in this landscape stream.

It's all paved area. It's all part of an ingress to egress of the properties. You have ingress to egress rights to the other properties in the center. I mean, that's part of the background documentation, even if you have access rights. I'm sure you could fill at least three spaces along here.

Probably, yeah. Okay, good. So that's how most of the parking are always.

Right. So with the revision of that and a little bit further explanation and information to Dr. Tavis so he can revise the parking statement and qualify it a little bit more.

This is Paul. Please Put all the information in the documents, all the narrative number of employee shifts. I still have doubts on how the loading and unloading is going to be. So you can put information there. I want to see information on these. I probably want to see the information too. I thought you guys were going to be loading and unloading. Because you're referring in the modeling for your business is that you're going to be selling frozen products for bakery. I still don't know if it's going to be just private cars, people like coming in and buying frozen products, or it's going to be mass production of selling.

Yeah, we sell to, that is speaking, we sell to square markets. Yes. The only, the only present our business to a client, but it's not going to be a daily situation.

So it's not like me or Craig?

No, it's buyers.

For example, buyers from Greenpeace. Oh. So you said they're going to come in there for me. Yeah.

So what would be an information on that in the guarantee?

to provide that information so that Block 4 Tigger can include that in the narrative explanation of how this works. But I personally can still come to your building and buy some of them. That's part of your narrative. You're still going to have a place where I can come in there and buy some of them.

What happened to the site plan that's in the traffic study? That one's better.

Matthew, just one thing to think about as a supermarket for the site.

not that one that's not what if you look at the one in the concrete in the conc not the parking study the traffic study the one i'm looking at has a different site plan

There you go.

Not that. Yeah, that one has two rows of parking that come in. The retail is on the far east side. I still don't like it only has two spaces, but see, it's got two rows of parking in there.

Well, one of the comments we have just made is they have to coordinate all these things and have the same site plans and all their documentations. Well, yeah, so this doesn't, this has two. This was an earlier version that they had.

Now, also, this is one of the things that you guys plan on using. I don't have enough space parking. You have to use the parking that is on the other properties.

You have to provide an agreement. So if you're planning on doing that,

You can't document the number of employees and you can park everybody on the property, then if you're going to be using some parking on the other properties, you need a piece of paper saying it's documentation that they're allowed to do.

You can do another agreement. He's saying that he's going to do another agreement just for the parking.

If he has to. If he has to approach that shopping center to ask if they can use their spaces, then he has to. which might be a possibility since they're dumpsters on your property.

So in this one that's in the traffic study, what's the production area? And if it's just storing frozen, what's being produced?

All this area, let's say production area. What was your question? I'm sorry.

What's being produced? Dough. Dough. Bread. Dough. Frozen dough. Oh, so you are baking. You are baking things. Yes, bake and froze.

Bake it and freeze it. This is Liz.

Okay.

Bake it, freeze it, sell it frozen.

Okay. That's why I put that information in the narrative so we understand the model business.

I'm last question on if we add a parallel parking in the front, if those parking spaces be used as the large truck loading area. Nobody's in it.

This is Liz. We discussed that a long time ago. We thought that that was the model that you were going to follow and that the truck would pull up parallel. Okay.

All right.

That's okay. It was an idea at one point.

Yeah. So this doesn't have to be an ice cave strip. This can be all paved parallel spaces. And when there's no cars there and parked there, the truck can pull up right here. Perfect.

But we count as parking spaces.

Yes. Yes. Because a motorhome is technically not required. So we just, from a practical standpoint, you know, there's no park there in the parallel spaces. The truck can stop it and not block traffic.

And it's a ground bill. So a car's not there very long anyhow. Right.

Why did you change the parking on the west side from two-way drive aisle with parking on both sides? Why did that go away?

Well, this is Mariana. We increased the size of the building so we couldn't put the parking space like that anymore. That's an outdated...

The mention here on this plan, Lisa, 61 feet, is not being mentioned on their... on the site plan that they have now. It's smaller.

So then that would mean that the trip generation wouldn't be accurate because you'd increase the size of the building.

The 10-foot difference.

So that would have to match. So you have to revise it to match what's happening.

Yeah, so we're going to match. That's beautiful.

Okay, and then he'll have to use the 12th, obviously. I know Dr. Ortega very well, so I trust him to do the right thing. But, yeah, everything will have to match, and he'll adjust it to use the current version of ITE.

All right. With that, are there any other questions? Anything? Okay. No. Based on the number of revisions and some of the ambiguity here, we're going to need you to resubmit all the comments, and we'll have to have one more meeting. Okay? Okay. We'll have to have one more meeting, but you're going to go into private talks, respond to every one of these comments one by one that are unresolved, only the unresolved ones you have to respond to, and then resubmit, and then we'll distribute it out to the development committee all the members here to make sure the site plan that we see is going to work and function with all your documents consistent with everything. So hopefully, you know, that'll be the next meeting with just the informality with us voting on to approve.

And that email that we received this morning, maybe it was an automatic email with the invoice for the owners. Is this after disapproval?

They have to take care of that invoice? You need to be extremely careful. That's probably a phishing. Efficient. Efficient, yeah. We've had several applicants be victim. They're targeting municipalities around the country and creating false invoices. $6,000 invoices.

That is absolutely not from us. This is Amanda speaking. Make sure that it says at margatefl.com.

That is absolutely not from us.

Email does not end in at margatefl.com.

It's not from us.

That's a phishing scam.

So if I click on an e-voice to look at the e-voice?

They might be able to hack into or attack your computer. The only time we would ever receive anything from us is us through Project Docs telling you that.

It looks very official.

Yes, they see our logo, put up a document. This isn't the first time this has happened.

It's a coincidence we received that today. I want to make a statement. It's Thales speaking.

I entered in this partnership one year ago. Matheus already bought this product.

I want to make the statement to put everybody on the same page. It happens. We were naive when we purchased that. We purchased that not considering that easement. And we researched for lawyers because the tag agency, The realtor, they were not good people with materials. But we gave up. We gave up for that idea. And after we started, if you see the property, it's so contours. It's so hard to put a building in that. So I really, we spent close to $100,000 trying to do the re-plant, the basement view. But we still, we have, our pocket is not so deep. So we are still betting on this project. But the statement is to appreciate and say thanks to you and Mariana because it's so strategic to accommodate grass, parking, and the building. So I really, really appreciate this effort still going on because this is very hard to accommodate. the discussion of parking is this example. But we're still betting on that. So my statement is to appreciate, to say thanks for this strategy. I know the city has rules, needs to achieve, and I understand you guys comprehend the situation and understand the exactions. So I appreciate that.

This is Liz. Well, thank you for investing in that property because it's been vacant. So that's going to be a benefit to the city as well. But obviously, we have to consider the health and safety of anybody going in and on and around that property. So that's why we're a bit stringent. But we're trying to work with you and make it work because, yeah, we've had a few of those real estate transactions that recently happened. that the realtors are not honest and very, just makes it very challenging for the investors.

Yes.

So thank you. We appreciate it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. We're going to, we're going to adjourn. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.