Finance Committee - Regular Meeting

40 2 and I will call the finance committee to order. First up is roll call. The entire committee is present this evening. Then we'll move on to public comment. Anybody from the public that wishes to address the finance committee this evening? Yes. Cindy? Yes. If you wanna come up to the table, just state your name and address for the record.

Sure. Even

though we all know who you are.

Okay. Thank you. My name is Cindy Kaserman, and I'm a citizen of 925 North 17th Street. I would like to read a letter that I prepared, and I want to submit it on behalf of MIRA, the Mantuaq International Relations Association, regarding the 2026 budget. I would also like the council then to take this in as a document for consideration in the December meeting.

So I'll read it in its entirety. Dear mayor Nickles, finance committee chairman Sikowitz, members of the finance committee, and common council. I'm submitting comments related to the 2026 budget for MIRA. The MIRA committee is an all volunteer group that is part of the city of Manitowoc and is supported by the tourism department. Our focus is to continue the variety of community connections between Manitowoc and our sister city in Kamigawa, Japan.

The wide variety of programs include adult delegation visits, annual high school student exchanges, and pen pal origami and student artwork exchanges. Adult delegation visits between our cities continue to connect people every few years and ever since the sister city relationship began in 1993. Each of these connections continues to bring our cultures together, deepening the bonds of friendship and enriching the lives of our citizens. Many of you were able to join the Kamigawa adult delegation visit welcome dinner on September 30, which celebrated thirty two years of sister city friendship and connection. Mayor Nichols and mayor Sasaki reaffirmed the commitment to continue our sister city connections and collaboration during that evening.

The proclamation issued by mayor Nichols acknowledges the exchange of citizens, education, and promotion of economic ties and culture while pledging to continue to nurture and encourage this bond for future generations. The consulate general of Japan representative from Chicago, deputy consulate general Nayoya Nayoya Kishi, witnessed the affirmation of the sister cities. The presence of the consulate at this event highlights the significance of our citizens sharing our cultures through connection. Not long after the delegation visit, the Japanese American Society of Wisconsin held a meeting in Appleton to connect people from Wisconsin communities with a sister city in Japan. DCG Kishi from the Japanese consulate in Chicago was in attendance as well.

His speech highlighted visit to Manitowoc and the immense value that he witnessed during the warm cultural gathering of citizens from both communities. While discussing the MIRA budget at our recent committee meeting, it was advised that the 2026 budget recommendation for MIRA is $5,000. $5,000 will not meet the funding requirements for MIRA based on the historical past practice of the past sixteen years of exchange activities guided by mayor Nichols. Therefore, the volunteers of the Manitowoc International Relations Association respectfully request that the amount of $10,000 be allocated to the mirror fund to accomplish the goals, commitments, and exchanges as set forth in the proclamation signed by mayor Nichols on 09/30/2025. The value to continue cultural exchanges between our sister cities truly benefits the city and its citizens in a multitude of ways.

Every person that experiences another culture becomes enriched by the connection that is made. It is the moments of connection and the experiences that we continue continue to share that lead us to become better citizens and human beings in the world and truly an international city. Respectfully submitted and signed by myself. I am the MIRA vice president.

Okay. Thank you, Cindy. If you want to leave that with the clerk, she said she would make copies, distribute it, and turn it into a council document.

Wonderful. Thank you very much.

Is there anybody else that would like to address the finance committee this evening for public comment? This would be the opportunity for anybody with a liquor license. Is there anybody that wishes to address the yes.

Oops. Sorry. This is my first time ever doing this. I apologize.

No problem.

Good evening. My name is Isma Reyes. I'm here to talk about trying to get an approval for my liquor license or bartending license. I currently live at 4341 Country Lane in Manitowoc where I have lived since May 2022. Before that, I lived in Sheboygan with my family.

While I was living in Sheboygan, I previously held a City Of Sheboygan beverage license for two to about four years at two different establishes, barcode on Michigan Avenue and Blue Light on North 8th Street from early twenty twenty eighteen to about mid twenty twenty two with no incidents or, police charges or anything like that. After moving to Manitowoc, I held two positions in retail. I was a shift leader at Goodwill, an employee at GameStop before the day closed. During this time, my family was going through a lot of personal problems. My mom was diagnosed with breast cancer for the second time.

I was, pulled over in the 2022 for driving under the influence. After my sentencing, I entered a program at Holy Family Behavior Health from January 2024 through 05/30/2024. I followed all necessary court orders as of my sentencing, which also included, Huber work release privileges while on the monitoring monitoring bracelet and a breathalyzer. Absolute sobriety was absolute sobriety was part of this monitoring, which I had no problem complying for for about forty five days. During this time of absolute sobriety, my mom did pass away around that time, but I did keep my sobriety going even after all of the court stuff were done.

It wasn't until about December 2024 where, I got in trouble again with police, with my best friend and roommate who is actually here today. His name is James James Bruner. It was a misunderstanding. The case has not been settled yet, but I have been doing a lot of work. I've been going to, core treatment services since, 07/31/2025 and having sessions with Shannon Belink.

This is an AODA program, and, I'm just finding it very beneficial. As weird as it sounds, I do like bartending. I like, taking care of people and, you know, making people are safe in a an environment such as a bar. But I really do hope you guys consider. You know, I understand that, you know, this was mistakes that I've made, and I am trying to make them right. So thank you, guys. Okay.

Thank you. Is there anybody else that we'd like to address? Yes.

I'm super nervous, just so you know. My name is Molly Richter. I live in city of Manitowoc at 924 North 8th Street. I'm here today to try to get my liquor's license as well. I know that I do have stuff on my background, but as of November as of yesterday or Sunday, I have a year clean, and I've been doing everything to change my life over. I went to inpatient. I do I did IOP. I graduated from trauma. I'm in a group right now called moral or MRT, which is moral recognition therapy, and I do see a counselor. I have high functioning Asperger's, the job that I work at, I work at Subway, and it's, like, with the gas station.

And the people that I work with there are, like, tremendously amazing people, and I'm just trying to get, like, more hours hours because they hire too many people. And that's why I'm trying to cross train at the gas station. And, like, this is honestly, like, the longest job that I've had in my entire life, and I really do enjoy doing it. So I would like to keep trying to do it if that's okay. I'm done, I think.

Okay. Thank you.

Any further public comment? Yes.

I'm Larry Verlinden, church council president and Emmanuel, and our bond is on this. So I'm just here to answer any questions. If you have questions, I don't know if now's the time or wait till that that comes up.

We can wait till that comes up because we can't really have a back and forth during public comments. When that item comes up, we could have that dialogue.

All right. I'd be happy to answer questions.

Perfect. Thank you. Is there any further public comments? Last call for public comment. Is there anybody on Zoom?

Anybody on Zoom for public comment? Okay. With that, I will close public comment, and we'll move on to the consent agenda. Is there any item from the consent agenda that the committee wants removed?

Hearing none, I move to accept the agenda as presented.

There's a motion to approve the consent. Is there a second?

Second.

There is a second. Oh, there's no discussion. So all those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Alright. Consent to passes. We're gonna take up the closed session documents right away. We have four of them, and then we'll come back and tackle the rest of the agenda. So I'll read us into closed notices here by given that the above governmental body may adjourn into a closed session during the meeting as authorized by section 19 dot eight five one a of Wisconsin statute with author authorizes the governmental body to convene in the closed session for the purpose of deliberating concerning a case which is the subject of any judicial or quasi judicial trial or hearing before the governmental body.

Specific subject matter that may be considered in closed session is twenty five dash zero seven nine zero two year operator license for M Richter twenty five dash zero seven nine one two year operator license for M Rees 25Dash0792, two year operator license for n Krevlitz. Notes hereby given that the above, governmental body may adjourn into a closed session during the meeting as authorized by section 19 dot eight five one e of Wisconsin Statute, which authorizes the government body to convene into closed session for the purpose of deliberating or negotiating the purchasing of public properties, the investing of public funds, or conducting other specified business with ever competitive or bargaining reasons require a closed session. Subject matter that may be considered in closed session is 25 dash zero five three five six five. Second amendments to the city of Manitowoc TID number 22 development agreement with River Landing Developers LLC. The motion to convene in closed session was made by alder person.

So moved. Reckleberg. Second. Second by Schlei. Does require a roll call vote. Aye. Reckleburg. Aye. Schlei. Aye. Dunbar. Aye. And Brian. Aye. Alright.

We are in closed session. Okay, we are back from closed session, so we'll take up the documents. First up is document 20 five-seven 90. That's a two year operator license for M Richter. What is the will of the committee? Alder Reckleberg?

I move to uphold the denial of the license.

There's a motion to recommend the denial. Is there a second?

Second.

Motion and a second discussion. Seeing none. All those in favor. Aye. Aye. And opposed? Okay. That passes. I'll put that on consent if there's not an objection. Next document is 25Dash0791. This is the two year operator license for M Reyes. Alder Recklenburg?

I move to uphold the denial.

The motion to deny is there a second? Second. Motion to deny and a second. Discussion? All those in favor? Aye. And opposed? Okay. That is moves to recommend denial. Next up is 25Dash0792. That is to your operator license for Jay Krebletz. Alder Reckleburg.

I recommend approval of the license pursuant to Wisconsin stat 111.335.

There's a motion. Is there a second?

Second.

Motion second discussion. Seeing none all those in favor. Aye. And opposed. Okay that one is recommended for approval. That will be our consent as well. Then we have document. Yes. I'll take a short because I'll explain to them why. And then 25 dash zero five six five, which is the document of the second amendment to the city of Manitowoc TID number 22 development agreement with River Landing Developers LLC. Alder Reckleberg?

Yeah. I move to direct staff to proceed with the termination of the redevelopment agreement with River Landing Developers LLC and repurchase the property per the terms of the agreement.

So there is a motion. Is there a second?

Second.

There is a motion, a second to direct staff. I don't have an actual cover sheet to write that one down, so we'll have to come up with something for that. But we will will get that and forward that to counsel. So there's a motion and a second. Discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor? Aye. And opposed? Okay.

That passes as well. I'm just gonna take a quick short recess just to discuss with the applicants for their operator license, their next step, and then I would be right back. Okay. Thank you for that. We'll move on to our other discussion action items for tonight. So first up is 25Dash0783, third quarter two thousand twenty five claims report for the city attorney's office. Everybody have an opportunity to review those. Sean, do you have anything you need to add or go through on those with

for the committee? I was just gonna explain this is the quarterly report that comes forth from the attorney's office who handles any kind of claim that comes to that is filed against the city. Ultimately, details the, type of claims and the, what the outcome was. And, that's, if there are any questions on the individual claims, now it's time to ask. Otherwise, you could always reach out to the city attorney's office as well if you would like. But just a quarterly report and just explaining it because miss Brey is, the first time seeing it.

Thank you.

Any questions from the committee? If not, I would entertain a motion to place on file. So moved. Motion by Alder Reckleburg, second by Alder Schleye. Discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye. And opposed? If there's no issue, I'll just place that on consent. Next up is 25 dash zero seven eight four, tax levy certification from Lakeshore Technical College for fiscal year thousand twenty five, two thousand twenty six. The certification letter's attached. Sean, do have anything to run through? It's pretty self explanatory.

Nope. It's pretty self explanatory of what the portion for the city will be based on LTC's adopted levy, and then ultimately foreshadowing we'll see another one come from MPSD sometime soon and the county once their levies are set as well.

So looking for any questions first off, otherwise a motion to place on file or modify or reduce.

Motion to accept and place on file.

No one wants to take a tax joke.

No. Sure. I'm waiting.

Alright. Motion there was a motion to place on file. Motion. Second. Motion and a second. And stop looking for trouble. Discussion. Seeing none all in favor. Aye. It opposed. Alright. Again, consent unless there's an issue. Alright. Thank you. Next up is an ordinance 20 or 25 dash zero seven eight five ordinance to amend section 11 dot two two zero of the Mantua code regulating animal licenses. Looks like we're talking about chickens.

Mhmm.

Correct. Yeah. And I think is Mackenzie still here? Yep. There she is. Hiding Mackenzie, the city court can speak on behalf of it. So

So the change came or the requested change is coming at a request to the police department. The way that we issue chicken licenses now is folks come in and they provide all of the things that are required by ordinance and we issue the license right away. The police department has, I think, been feeling some complaints about the state of some of the coops or perhaps folks not using coops and free ranging them, which is not allowed. So they would like the ability to inspect the locations before we issue the license. So this just adds in that provision that the police department would inspect the chicken premise, and then we would issue the license after instead of right away.

So just for process wise, the applicant still comes to city hall to you to fill out the application for the permit before it's issued that police just go out and do a check first, and then they sign off, then you mail with permit

yep the only it doesn't really change the applicants process at all other than they wouldn't get the license immediately they would just have to wait until the inspection happens

okay any questions from the committee

Over the objection of my chicken, I would like to recommend acceptance of this amendment.

There's a motion to approve the ordinance. Is there a second? So moved. Motion and a second. Discussion? Alder Dunbar?

Yeah. I'm just saying I do plan to vote against this just due to, I think, any time that we are putting police into somebody's yard, something along those lines, it just opens up a much bigger can

of

worms with stuff such as just the general complaint of, now I have people coming into my yard, my personal property, all that. And I think it's a can of worms that as a city. I I don't know if the one or two complaints we've had of people possibly having chickens out of the, you the maybe 25 people that have them, that it could potentially open up more issues that I guess I've heard of one complaint so far of the way the of chickens being free ranged. They kinda made it. And I just feel that a change like this isn't warranted for a one or two off complaint.

If we changed a way we licensed or something, every time there is a complaint, we would be changing stuff every single day. And that's my main reason I'll be voting against this.

Appreciate it. I guess you bring up an interesting question of, do we how many complaints have we received or issues that caused this ordinance to be drafted in a different manner?

Don't have that information. Those complaints would go to the police department. So I or my office doesn't keep that data. We wouldn't have that data.

Sean, were provided with any information from the attorney's office or the police department for this agenda item?

No. I can certainly reach out to the police department contact who kind of reached out to our office about this and request that they put a memo together for counsel kind of outlining the reasons behind it or if there was something else that you wanted to see if you could get that information.

I guess I'm going to turn it back to the committee. Elder Dunbar brought up an interesting point of I'm not as concerned about the police in the backyards. Think the community policing is good and interaction is good. But I'm interested to know how many mean, you say that you've heard of one specific I'm sure there's more. However, I'm interested to know I mean, there was no memo attached to it. There was just an ordinance of how many issues we have with chickens in the city of Manitowoc. Alderman Recklenburg?

I like the point he brought up. I think there will be an issue coming up in the future that is my point, too. How many problems do we have? And why are we changing it for such a few? But under the circumstances, I guess I would move to bring this forward to the city council.

And between now and when city council meets, hopefully our clerk will or the police department, one or the other, will get us that information. And at city council, if we see that it is a lot, we can certainly say, well, we brought it in, but we didn't have all the information. But we wanted to get this and we could vote differently that night then to say, no, we don't agree, just to move it forward. That's my thought.

And I'm supportive of it as it was written when I read through it and the explanation makes sense to me of the permitting process. Yeah. But I'd like to hear some more information about why. So I'll vote to move it along tonight to forward to counsel. Yeah. But when it gets to counsel, if I don't have a memo explaining it and it makes sense to me, I'll pull it back from counsel at that time and not take action on it that evening, if it if it's not satisfactory for that night, and then bring it back to committee.

Sounds good.

Does that work for the committee?

I just have one thing I want to say about it. First of all, I made a joke about chickens before. I don't know any chickens. But I have interacted with people who do. I grew up in the country. I worked on farms. Raising chickens isn't like raising a cat or a dog. There are certain conditions that have to be maintained. And I'm really surprised that we didn't have anything like this on the books when we agreed to let people raise chickens or ducks. I don't know if this covers any kind of fowl. Yeah, Okay. I figured that. But I'm really surprised we didn't have anything like this on the books.

Well, the initial is it had to be approved by the chief of police or designee, I believe. So I thought initially. But maybe not. Maybe that was something else. But

The applicant for the license must notify all residents of the property and the owner of the property if the applicant is not the owner. Applying for the initial license, chief police or designees shall verify the property meets these requirements. So in other words, they're verifying the requirements prior to

And they've been rewritten since they went. But the initial one where we allowed chickens the first time, when that first ordinance was, I'm pretty sure the chief of police had a sign off chickens, so that was known. But I could be wrong on that.

Now, from what I understand, there are requirements such as no more than six chickens, no roosters. There are a set number of guidelines. But as far as I know, the only city ordinance in terms of animals is the b one that does require police sign off after

Maybe that's what I'm thinking.

Signatures from everybody within 100 yards, I believe it is, of the hive. That is one that requires. Maybe that's the one you're thinking of.

Okay. Alright. Well, we'll look forward to getting some more information, but I I think we should pass it along so that we can take action out of that council what either way, once we get that information. So any further discussion? Otherwise, the motion in front of us is to approve as presented.

Oh, more thing too with the as presented.

Yeah. Okay.

What document are we gonna be passing to the chief or their designee saying, here is the requirements to go. So now do we have somebody that's working, shows up, they don't know what a chicken needs, they're expecting maybe a a second garage out in their yard as a coop. You know, your average chicken needs six square feet. You can get a 30 you know, you get a two foot by two foot box. That's all six chickens need.

But are we gonna have some form of training or now an additional document to train the designated person of what is actually required by a chicken? I I that's part of what I mean when I say we're opening up a can of worms is now you just have two different people looking, maybe requiring two different citizens, two different sets of instructions on whether yes or no they can have their coop. So I think along with this, if we are going to continue this and we are going to say, yep, we need this inspection done, there needs to be a full document checklist, all that of here's what they're doing, here's what they are, are we gonna start requiring six foot fences. You know, we we have dog and cat licensing, but I I don't have to say, well, yeah, my my backyard's fenced in. My I just let my dog out the back door to go do his business.

Do do we need to have someone now come by and verify that it's a three sixty fenced in backyard, or are we now working on you gotta leash up your dog just to take him into your own backyard to do his business? And I think that's that can of worms I kinda alluded to is I think this runs a lot deeper back to, again, the it could be four complaints. It could be 50. I I don't know, but it could be one.

Okay. Well, there's no good answer there.

Mackenzie? I certainly don't want to speak for the police department since this come this requested come from that department. But in between now and the November council meeting, I'll reach out and request a memo. And just so I'm clear about what I'm asking for, we're looking for kind of more background and details as to the why this is being brought forward, the number of complaints and things like that and then what

How the implementation.

The implementation and inspection plan will actually look like. Okay.

That sounds like a good yeah, that sounds like the three points that we're looking for.

Okay. And we'll add that to the this item on

the Yep. As a memo for either attached and then update uploaded to Gradicus.

So Okay.

Okay. Any further discussion? Alright then. The motion is to approve as presented. All those in favor. Aye. Aye. And opposed.

Aye.

Okay. We will pass that for signatures. Next item is 25Dash0786 request to rescind partial 2023 tax bill for Parcel 813 Dash 20222 due to palpable error.

So this came about during the open book period this past like, in September this past year. A property owner realized after speaking with the assessor that they had been incorrectly assessed as having an additional half bathroom that they do not have. So because it was an error in what the assessor was looking at, the assessor did agree to adjust their assessed value for 2025, so that's reflected on the roll. The assessor was able to do a correction of error for the 2024 tax year, which is reflected in the roll as well on the correction of errors. So that adjustment has already been approved.

That ability is only they can only go back one year for that, which is why you're seeing the request for the 2023 role in front of you to adjust their assessed value based on having an incorrect number of bathrooms and then refunding that portion of their tax bill to them from 2023.

Okay.

So you'll be looking for a motion to refund as presented in

the Yes, Okay.

So So move. So move. Second. Discussion? All those in favor? Aye. And opposed?

Okay.

Okay. The next documents are 25 Dash zero seven eight seven. The initial resolution regarding revenue bond financing for Emmanuel E. Magical Lutheran Church, Inc. Project information with respect to the job impact of the project that will be available at the time consideration of the initial resolution. And then we have another document coming up after that, which is the scope of the engagement. I'm not gonna read the entire thing again. For those of you that are on the committee, those who weren't at that time, we did a very similar process for Manitowoc Lutheran approximately a year and a half ago.

Correct.

So the city acts as a conduit and the money passes through the city is not responsible for any of the payments, interest or basically anything associated with the loan financing. We are just a conduit of the financing process.

Correct. Yeah. This is common industrial revenue bonds or revenue bonds were conduits and I'll just explain a little high level. But as all the all the person said, yeah, Mantouac Lutheran High School Federation was used about March for their gym expansion project. So but ultimately, as as the governmental entity of City Mantouac, we're can issue tax exempt debt.

And based through this conduit financing, in in short, someone can, utilize our tax exempt status to get tax exempt debt on their own through a borrowing, but there are certain criteria that have to be met. And this one is basically, educational institution because this, manual has a school attached to it, and it fits through our comprehensive plan. But, yeah, there is it's very minimal risk to the city, but you there is, always risk to the city in the event of, IRS examinations. That's about the biggest risk that can happen. Typically, the borrower in this instance, the manual would be, responsible for the payments and and following everything like that, all the statuses and all the things.

And this is the initial resolution, so you only see one. As we go through this process. There are a multitude of documents that will come on also be available. And more importantly, goes into the second, item of the scope of engagement, Corals and Brady is our disclosure counsel. They're gonna look out for the city's best interest. Emmanuel's gonna have a a council and and as well. And, ultimately, they're all gonna provide opinions on how they meet, things and are safeguarded both entities. But, the Emmanuel's churches, president, church council president, right, Larry? Larry. Yes. Is is here. I will turn it over to him to kind of explain why the, borrowing is here of what the project is.

Alright. Thank you for opportunity. We started looking at our school has experienced kind of steady growth over the last eight to ten years or so. And we split a large classroom in half a couple of years ago and now have reached the point where we need another classroom and don't have any way to do that without putting on an addition. So in 2022, we started looking at various options and discussed that with the faculty congregation, went through kind of a couple of revisions and changes in that, came up with a current plan, put that out for bids, and now are looking to finance this through the bond financing program similar to what Mantua Lutheran High School did.

So I'm happy to answer any other questions or things that you might need to know to make your decision.

Okay. Thank you. Open up to the committee if there's any questions that

the committee has. Again, very similar to the process that we've done in the past. I don't think the committee has any questions.

Okay.

Need a motion to approve the resolution.

Yeah. We're gonna take Sean, is there a specific language we need in the committee recommendation? Just the I'm looking at seven eighty seven first. The initial

Just the typical language of motion to approve or

Approve as presented.

Approve the resolution.

Approve the resolution. Mhmm. So the motion to approve the resolution? Correct.

Second.

And a second. Discussion?

I was gonna add just so you guys are aware. Through every step of the process, I I I am involved. So it's not like after tonight it goes away. But also, I just want to let you know is where we've had some conduit financings where the borrower the borrowing bank is a national one. It is a local bank here. So that even that helps with at least being in the know or more importantly, it's keeping it local.

Awesome. Alright. All those in favor? Aye. And opposed? Okay. We'll pass that for signatures. And then we have the 25Dash0793, which is the scope of the engagement, which is not to exceed the $4,000,000 city of backlog revenue bond series for 2025. I would need a motion to approve as presented.

Motion to approve entering into

the scope

of engagement.

Motion to approve into the scope of the engagement. Move. Motion to add a second? Second. Okay. Discussion? I was just going to add,

if I may. This one is then Corals and Brady will issue opinions on behalf of the city during this, during all of the different steps and processes. And ultimately, usually, there is a fee involved, but because this is condo and it's absorbed by the borrowers. So there is no cost to the city. Okay.

Good to know.

Alright. All those in favor? Aye. And opposed? Okay. Pass that for signatures. Alright. Thank you. We have two more documents in front of us tonight. Requests or 25Dash0788. Request to use winter maintenance non lapsing fund for an amount not to exceed $25,000 for purchase of equipment for downtown snow removal. Dan? Look like you think it's gonna snow this

year. Yeah.

I was up in Michigan this weekend. We already had snow. So actually, this is similar to some some box plows that we had got a few years ago for doing parking lots. And the really cool thing about them is it's a ten ten foot plow blade, and then it's got four foot wings. And so, basically, you can go out to 18 feet. You can configure it like this. There's pictures of

them in there where

they're pushing forward. You can configure them backwards for back dragging. This would be only for the blade. We we would be able to use it with any of our existing, end loaders, and it would just we're it it would make the downtown cleanup a heck of a lot faster and more efficient. So we brought it through, talked to Sean, and we would be recommending, as it says here, to use the winter maintenance non lapsing fund to pay for it.

And just to further comment on it. So that non lapsing fund was created a while back. We put $100,000 in order to give us the cap and ultimately used for either the to assist with operational expenses for major snowstorms or for to enhance or improve, the just our ability to clear and address snowstorms. So last year, we came forth with 15,000 to repair the salters to get extended life on of them because going trying to borrow for them was cost prohibitive. This is where Dan mentions, know, we have that internal, call committee where we met and we discussed the capital, budget that was proposed this evening by the mayor.

This was an item, but after further discussing it, being that it was 40,000, we have this fund that technically has 85,000 sitting in it. It was just decided to ask to request if we could use the 25,000. I'm sorry. I said 40,000. 40,000 was the initial ask, and then the department did do their due diligence and found an adequate piece for a lower price. So that's kind of the background of it. So instead of trying to borrow or there plus, if we did borrow for it, our borrowing doesn't occur until April. We would after the snow season and then just it appears that this would be, like Dan said, definitely improve the efficiency of clearing downtown.

Any questions from the committee? And obviously, yeah, with the borrowing, it wouldn't be till spring. This you'll have for this snowfall season. Any questions?

Motion to approve.

Motion to approve. Second. And a second. Discussion? All those in favor? Aye. And opposed? Alright. Thank you. Thank you.

Put that in consent if there's no objection. And our last item up tonight, mayor, is the city budget. I'm the one that tells the jokes around.

Okay? And

they're all bad. I guess

Is there any admission?

Yeah. That's where I was gonna start. Obviously, we haven't had it that long. It's in front of us for the you know, really for majority of us first time tonight. I think most of us had an opportunity to kind of expect through committees what, you know, to expect.

But I really want I guess if there's any opening questions or items that you want to see, now is the time to ask the mayor or Sean to gather that information, and then we could start getting our calendars out to look at meeting dates coming up for some deliberations here on the budget. So is there anything that's come into mind that we would like to see as a committee or individually as committee members? Yeah.

As you showed, the average increase is a 23. Is that an average or a mean? Do you know where we sit? Is it a majority under, majority over?

So yeah, that's the Yeah. So the property values increased on average 23% average. Gotcha. Do we have any would we be able

to get the data saying, like, 60% were under and there's just some very high end houses that, you know

Yeah.

Raise that average up? Or can we can we look at it that way so we know if it was, you know

I'm sure there's a definitely way to do it.

Yep. Just to clarify, you're looking for so if I look at twenty four's assessments, and it was 100,000, and I now based on, let's say, go up 40% or, you know, whatnot, but that's kind

of the data of how the number Right. Are we looking at 60% or under that 2340%? They're just the higher in house, obviously, going to make more What of that division is above and below that line? Certainly.

That's attainable. Okay.

Thank you. Older Reckenburg, are you here?

Yeah. I had given Adam, way back when we signed the contract, basically, a list of questions of which I found out he misplaced. So as this was coming to a conclusion, I regave them the list. A couple of the questions is what you brought up. I wanted to know not only what the average was, but what the mean and median was. Because I wanted to find out your thing. Is it positively or negatively skewed from that 23%? And there was a couple of other questions on there. So if you just check with Adam, he may have turned it in and they may have looked at it and says, we don't have that. I don't know.

But there was a number of questions, which probably covers 95% of any question you could ask.

Sure. I'm fairly confident it's a document that's in a PDF, but it comes stems from an Excel doc, so we can convert it in with using the power of six Excel.

And the the only other thing is with regards to the budget now, will this be a PDF on the website at some time?

Tomorrow. Yep.

Because those PDFs are nice to work with. I'm sorry, I'd like to have four or five copies going simultaneously so I could give the mayor heartburn, but no.

The intent will be the PDF will be uploaded to the website sometime tomorrow. And then it will also not only all of your binders are put in summary just to save your eyes on paper, but there will be full details. So my, finance department has maybe 30 individual accounts. You'll see those 30 individual accounts and what their budget and actual history was, and that should roll up to what the summary is. A little bit more of a minutiae you can deep dive into.

Okay. I know we talked and I didn't go through the binder completely here. We talked about road plan. Obviously, we've modified the road plan from last year. Is that in the binder?

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah.

Should be tab seven, tab seven,

I think. Okay. Six

don't remember. Did I put the detail on, the far right showing which year so I have on the far right showing what 2024 what you approved in 2024. But then on the far right, I have the detail of if a road was moved up a year or back a

year. You have minus one, minus minus Right?

So minus one means it was moved back a year. Plus one means it was moved up a year. Minus two means it was moved. So whatever you approved last year, I tried to show you how far a couple years we moved it back from what you approved or not.

Okay. Just so

you got an idea of so because I didn't have the last year sheet on there. So Okay. Figured that was an easier way to describe it, hopefully. But

Once you understand it, it it yeah. That's.

Yeah. So

Okay.

And then the 2026 is everything that is in your capital. So that's that's a 100% accurate for those numbers.

Are there any numbers that we are waiting for yet that will reflect that that are not gospel in the budget cycle yet?

State manufacturing, unfortunately. Boy, we're hoping

They get later and later every It

honestly does. And I think it's they they look at when my budget isn't just go a week later. But it's the last one. That's the main last one we have. The assessment roll.

Okay. So

The assessment roll after Board of Review, that is technically the finalization of the assessment rule. And then just for FYI for process, then it's filing the statement of assessment with the DOR. Historically, relied on the assessor to do that. Looking as of yesterday evening, it was saved but not submitted. And then to the point of the state manufacturing, the DOR only looks at it on Mondays and releases those numbers the following Friday. So it's essentially where I'm going with that. We're hoping next week we would have the state manufacturing.

Does it come out city by city based off of when we get our assessments in?

Yep. It's based on municipality when the municipality files the statement of assessment with the DOR. Okay. So because border review

even review how it happened. Yep. They're late because we were later in the process.

I was just gonna say it's not even if the board of the assessor would have done it on night of the twenty eighth, because of where the cutoff is on their uniqueness, we would not have it for this meeting.

Oh, either way, blame the state. That's

fine. Correct.

Yes. Absolutely. Okay.

But that is the only number we're officially waiting for. So there's hopefully a conservative approach in the in the levy and rate calculation because we had to assume. But if that were to change, then that will impact the rate.

And we anticipate that number coming out on a Monday, you said? So that would be the

Friday. A

Friday? Hope.

Okay.

Yeah. So not next week. We wouldn't see it probably. Hopefully, the week after. Yeah.

Okay. So by the seventeenth?

If you have a meeting yeah. If you have a finance meeting on that Monday

or whatever, we should have that.

Okay. Right? I mean, hopefully.

I would it the intent would be once that number is known, we'll communicate that it's in. And then if that impacts of one, two of any documents and stuff.

Before we get to dates, any other specific information that we're looking Aldo Ruckerberg? Just a quick on

the general fund treasurer under miscellaneous revenues, that includes the interest income, correct?

Yes.

Yeah. I just want to point out that we budgeted $576,500 last year. I argued last year that that number should be $1,000,000 and you still have room to spare. And I noticed you're projecting that we're going to get 1,700,000

Yes, sir.

This year. So that would have been still $300.400000 dollars under budgeted. And what I wanted to do back then was either give us the option of lowering the taxes or funding a project and lowering our borrowing. I just want to bring that point up that I wasn't I know what I'm talking about. And I got the impression last year people didn't think I knew what I was talking about. And I'm not referring to you. I'm referring to some council members. Me? No. You No. I'm not gonna pick on anybody.

Well, we listened to you this year.

You know, it's what's the expression? If you're guilty, well, then you're guilty. But if you're not, don't worry about it. I'm still waiting for the joke, though. I mean, there's

There's no joke there.

No, no. I know.

Well, this year, you can't raise it anymore, though.

That's right. It says stop.

Oh, I'm just wondering, is that the appropriate amount? Or we overstating it too? I mean, I

Never know.

Exactly. You never know. Okay. So let's take a look at some initial dates for scheduling. So, obviously, today is the fourth. I think we need a little bit of time to let staff get some information to us. I think we're gonna have to take some time to go through it. So I would first taking a look at next week to meet, unless people wanna meet earlier. But I would I know that there's a meeting on Monday in here, and I'm not available Monday, but I would be looking at the eleventh. What does that look like for people's schedule?

Any committee meetings on that night, does it look like?

Not that I can tell, no.

Eleventh is Veterans Day.

Veterans Day. So I would

request not that. It would for me. I know there's several events going on that I'm Okay.

What about the thirteenth? It's a Thursday. Usually, nothing's going on on Thursday

for committee meetings. Also, I'm just trying to get to the next month here, or week. I don't know to do that.

And that gives us a week, a couple of day more than a week to actually review it and call in with questions and stuff. So when we show up, if there are questions, some of them probably staff will already have the answers for us.

What about if we do plan on the twelfth and the thirteenth that week? Would we like to do back to back? That would get us if we could always cancel if we don't need the thirteenth, but we can get some placeholders in there. And if we do the twelfth, then we don't have any questions or something for that, we could always cancel the thirteenth. But that would get us we're a little I mean, the budget came out a little later than normal this year. And if we get done, wrap it up early.

You do have the Thanksgiving holiday in

there too.

Knocks off a bunch of days.

It does knock off a bunch of days.

I do have scheduled district five Alder and Mayor listening on the twelfth.

What time is that?

06:00 at the amnesty. I would say we could move it because I really haven't announced it, but we did work it out with the amnesty.

That's six? At

It's at 06:00. Yeah. So, I mean, if you wanted to meet earlier, like 04:30, if, you know

We could go we could go with the thirteenth. Like I said, that should be open pretty much for everybody. If we need a second meeting, that's the week of the seventeenth. Once again, that's kind of off week for most of the committees.

It

is. Unless you wanted, like, the twelfth, you want to do, like, 04:30, 05:30, just keep it to an hour and have if you just wanted to go over capital, we could just make that specifically about capital for you. So we're prepared for it. You can do it in an hour type of thing if you want. And then thirteen thirty four hour, there might be more time.

That's fine. And then if the thirteenth, we can always go to next week if forbid. And I don't know why it would go past that. But

What do you guys think?

You said 04:30?

I mean, if you yeah. On Wednesday, it's also if you wanted to do Yeah.

I have IDC here at

Right after board of public

works. For

Public works is at four, 04:30.

I have IDC at four, I suppose. So we could do 04:30 to 05:30 that gets out for the listening session at six. And then if we need, we can schedule the thirteenth. And if we I I would too just get it on the books in space and

Well, okay.

Does that work for everybody?

For publication purposes. Yep.

Yeah. Get it out there. And if we And

if we need another week after, we can do it on the thirteenth.

Yeah. I think after by the thirteenth, we'll know if there's a lot of issues.

You can. You got it. I got that whole next week, which is council week.

Yeah. I know I would prefer two just my first time do it going through

and all that in a

way of other

first that I think may skip rescheduling two would be the best bet.

Just Okay.

I'd rather conclude early than be trying to push one late. So

Is everybody good if we went a little earlier on Thursday, the thirteenth, if we did, like, a 05:00 instead of pushing at 05:30?

That's good. Yeah.

Okay. So on the twelfth, Sean, we'll do 04:30. And then on the thirteenth, we'll do 05:00. That way department heads don't have to stick around later.

Department heads at meetings, they ask. So we can definitely have them here. Here. But

I I would like them here, and I know it's a commitment on their part. But being that we have some new alders and the some questions may come up that I I would like them here just fine. For those initial ones. I don't anticipate it being long.

That person will be an hour

or so.

Yeah. At least that person.

Yeah. So that's good.

If they have prior commitments, I understand. But

Sounds good.

Okay. Alright. Anything else for the good of the committee? If not, I would entertain a motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn. Second.

Alright. We are adjourned. Thank you. Yeah. There's no cover sheet other than the original document.