Planning Commission/Board of Zoning Appeals - Regular Meeting

There's county pages. I'll give this calendar phone bill a couple of times. Wow. $75 a year. Well. Yeah.

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Yeah.

Thank you. Marianne. So you keep up with the line? So I keep up with the line. That's right.

Thank you very much.

Here. Here. All right, next item on the agenda is the approval of the agenda. I guess do we have any changes to the agenda? Chair, there's none. So I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda.

So moved. Second. All in favor of the motion, say aye. Aye. Opposed?

OK. Are there any citizen comments?

So I'll move that we waive the actual reading and accept.

You're up.

OK, so I don't have a whole lot to go over. And I didn't apologize. I'm running a little late. I was doing some interviews or something. But I guess the biggest thing, and I don't know if Lonnie has it in his report, but we'll go ahead and talk about it. We got a notice of violation for industrial, for sampling. I'll let Lonnie kind of talk about that a little. We also, I guess the right way to say it is I give out a little old information at the last board meeting about chronic manholes. We were working off of some old data. We didn't include May. And so we're working through some of that. Katie's here with the Thunder. They sent me a thing. I didn't bring what I wrote back to her. But you guys will be able to see all of that. And a lot of this so that we kind of understand, right? And this isn't a finger pointing game. We're doing things very differently in the water and sewer department than has been done in the past. There's a lot of data missing. There's a lot of things that are happening. And we're doing what we can to make sure that when we report things, we do that accurately. So I just want to kind of get that out there, let everybody know that we did put out a little missed data. We probably, I don't want to say a number today until we get done with the review with TDAC and our engineering on exactly what that is, okay? I did send in to the state, I think it was six or seven TAP applications. Those are per our moratorium. I got a note back this morning that TDEC is reviewing them, and they will let me know what they approve. It's residential housing. I don't think there was any. There was one commercial, but it was just for bathrooms. There was no big flow into the system. so as we do taps now we take the application we map it out show them how it goes from there to the plant and if there's any manhole problems in between it and then we send it in for their approvals but we did apply for six or seven i don't have the exact number i apologize i think we have two more that we're working on now that have come in that we will apply for this month okay The other part of the report was you guys let us start the bond process. The board passed it for the resolution. So we are going to apply for or we're going to sell bonds. We're going to borrow $10 million. We'll probably have that in the bank somewhere around the 1st of August. And what I sent to finance As I stated in the last meeting, all projects will come through this committee with a dollar figure. We just want the money so that when we get ready to do the project, we're not going to get the money. So the way we broke it down to finance so that you guys have an understanding is the wastewater treatment plant, we put 10% or $2 million in funding. Water distribution system, we felt like it would be about 20% or $4 million of the funding. And then mitigation of I&I, we put 60%, which is about $12 million. And then we had kind of a contingency buffer fund of 10% as things go up. So that's $2 million. There again, all projects will come through this board for you to approve, and it will go to BOMA, and that's how we get the money. So we just didn't get the money, we're going to start spending it, which is what everybody seems to think, that we've already money, and now we're just fair game to go spend it. That's not how this works. But St. John Engineering is working on several projects, so we stack them up, pull them out, we come in here, you give us the money, we go to bid, and we go to work. So I kind of wanted to update and be clear about that. In the debt side of it, we had our financial advisor come to the board meeting this week. At the highest peak of this board's debt was $1.8 million as a payment. We're going to be below that at the $10 million mark. And then part of it will drop off before we get it spent before we probably get the second $10 million. But when it's all said and done, we're going to be about $1.4 million. is what the debt will be over thirty years.

You had mentioned twenty million last month. That's the total, but you're only going to borrow ten

We're going to borrow 10 this year, and as soon as we get it spent, we're going to get the next 10. But we're not going to take it all at one time. We're going to aggregate it so that, and look, while we're doing some of that, I mean, part of it, you'll get to gain a little interest as we're getting this done, and it'll offset some of our payment. But that's how we talked the board, the resolution and stuff was written so that we could fund projects. There were some questions brought up others about interest rates and borrowed money from the state for projects which you can get a better interest rate but you have to turn the project in they have to approve the project and that's a long period of time now I'm not saying there won't be projects coming up that we don't use that system but that's another debt to take on right now we need the flexibility to work in those areas as we find these problems

So, you know

We all agreed that those are avenues we can continue to look at as we do these things to rebuild our system and fix it. But for what we're trying to get accomplished to keep the momentum going forward, the board felt like this was the right path. And it did pass, believe it or not, unanimously 6 to 0 at the board level. So that was a good show that I think we all believe we're moving in the right direction and we're funding things correctly. We got any details on that? 4.25 is what we project, but we won't know until they sell the bonds in July. And we will have a buffer to say no if we don't like the rate and wait no longer. And that was part of it. I think in the actual paperwork, it's set up to 6%. But I think as a board, I heard them loud and clear, and they want to be in the 4 to 4.5. So we will pass on things until we get to that type of rate or better.

One question I have is that the money would be basically in August. So when would you think you would have the first set of projects identified? If you're planning to spend it right after August begins, would that be like next month and have the initial set of things to spend it on?

I've talked to our engineer. He's here tonight. We're pushing him pretty hard on grant projects that we're working on. But we already know one project that we want to tackle that we'll start putting out for bid is the pumping of the wastewater collection tank, where we know we're losing 10% of the volume because of the sludge that's at the bottom. That's probably going to be top on the list. The next one is we're working on the quote to put electronic monitoring of the meters in the ground that we were discussing in here. That will be another project. And then we'll go into the bigger build projects. And that's going to be based on a series of things that we've been doing with Dukes. But I would say those two projects will be one of the first two that we roll out, right, Bonnie?

I would think.

Yes, I mean, listen, we're not going to let grass grow under our feet, so to speak, because I want the next $10 million, because that means we've done that much work. And it shows everybody that we're committed to getting this right in a short period of time.

You know, $14 million.

And to be honest with you, Vice Mayor Messick, that $2 million will be toward the end. And we absolutely probably will. But anything that you do with building, you just got to have a number to start the project. And so that's how we broke it down. I mean, but that wouldn't be in the first $10 million.

I can guarantee you that. No, that's just toward the end. He was outlining how the $20 million

And then the other project that will probably take off pretty quick, too, is we're probably going to bring to you a new water tower for out on 41. We've identified 15 acres that we believe will be donated to us. And I think that would be a 750,000 gallon tank. Is that what we were looking at, Adam? It's one of the two, either half a million or 750, which raises all the pressures in that area and gets everybody good water pressure all the way out through those lines. But we do have a donor that's willing to give us some land so we don't have to purchase it. And we think that tank, based on some information Hillsville give us on the tank they just put up, not saying we're using the same tank, but it's probably around two to $2.2 million. So, you know, we've identified roughly five million dollars that we intend to really get busy with as engineering continues to build projects that we do with pipe.

So.

Yeah, I mean, if you remember, the first thing we wanted to do, which we did get passed, was the half million dollars for the headworks. Once we get that done, there's still probably some amount of money that we will be bringing to you in that that is maintenance items that we haven't been able to repair. A lot of it is not necessarily upgrading the plant because we have a lot of capacity left there. It's just getting caught up on the things we've let go.

uh we've signed the paperwork and stuff i think there are everything everything's been built um right now constructed coordinating the transport of it for the bar screens um they still have to do a site visit down here to kind of see where exactly it's going to be but got an estimated date i'm sorry not not yet not for that but that's not what you've done that's not what you've done yeah we've already funded that out of this year's budget yes sir

Yeah, and once we get that in place right, we start catching all the trash, then we can move into phase two, which is getting the pit emptied so we get the full capacity of the pits. I don't think there was anything else I had tonight. I think that's it. If you have anything for me, just let me know.

as usual my report is attached if y'all have a question but just kind of piggybacking on what the mayor said with the nov from t that i'm going to accept full responsibility for that it was a sampling issue only We did collect the sample, we just did not collect it within the allotted time that it was required. We have a new free treatment coordinator as well as a new chief wastewater plant operator. going on what they knew they took the sample a little bit later we recognized it immediately had the sample taken recorded it to tdac so we weren't trying to hide anything in that instant but i'll accept responsibility for that we've since talked with tdac and everything is straightened out now we're on the list we know exactly what dates these samples are due and moving forward everything will be done on time Right. And the same thing with the chronic manhole he was speaking on. I'm going to take responsibility for that one as well. We were going off old data off of an old spreadsheet that my staff nor myself could manipulate. So we were basing it on data that was on the spreadsheet that shouldn't have been on there and vice versa. Some that should have been on there that wasn't on there. but everything is getting updated now like i said i don't want to give a good number yet because we're still in coordination with tdac right now so we're still counting up i'll have probably an official number next week but and i'll send it off to you all in the email if needed but we're going in the right direction i mean there's not an astronomical number of chronic manholes we have been doing work But I just want to make sure that we're reporting accurate numbers. And what I give to the mayor, he reports to the public, is accurate. So I'll take the hit for that one as well. Like I said, we're not trying to hide or do anything underhanded. We want to keep it, let everybody know we're trying to be transparent as possible. So on those two fronts, that's all I need.

And on the chronic manholes, understand that data goes back to June of 2025, which is before Lonnie's time. And we do have some missing stuff. And so we're trying to recreate some of that as to what was sent to the state. When we sent stuff in, we didn't actually label manholes correctly and some of that. So now, as we send things in, we're going to give a street and the manhole number so that there's no more confusion about which manhole was which. Because we may have several on that street. And so we've dinged ourselves for some of the wrong ones sometimes. But we're getting all through that.

Right, right. What we appreciate is that when manholes are overflowing and seeing that the public is now reporting it to the department so we can put our eyes on it and report it as well and not just know about it and post it on social media or wherever it goes. Because there are certain parameters that make manholes chronic. you know just because you see it overflow you know five or six times in the same day there are certain parameters that go by to judge how many overflows that is and a lot of that data was wrong it was backwards it was you know people calling in saying oh it overflowed 15 times well it may have but the way t that recognizes the overflow it may have only been considered one due to the timeline that the overflows happened. So when we started recognizing that, that's when we realized that our information was integrated. And we're working back through that now. So we just get everybody to continue reporting to us. When you see an overflow, let us know so we can do the proper paperwork and get it reported and recorded as it needs to be. Yeah, we had quite a bit of rain. We have mitigated a lot of those overflows. Now, when I say that, some of the same manholes are overflowing. We had 14 overflows during that heavy, heavy rain event. But again, some of them were the same manholes over and over and over again. And some of that was within the 24 hour period. It may have overflowed six times, but it's only counted as one because it's within the 24 hours. So we had quite a few overflows, but not nearly as bad as you would have thought with the amount of rain that we had.

Are you saying you had 14 overflows or 14 manholes?

14 overflows.

I know the chronic definition is five times a year overflows.

Five times in 12 months.

Five times in 12 months. The definition of overflow is the type that can flow upstream. If it overflows, that is an overflow.

Right. If it comes out, there's a difference between overflow and a release. But if it comes out, it's considered an overflow. I believe a release is if it gets into the stream. I don't know. I don't have the exact definition. If it comes out of the pipe.

So the different numbers that are here, they are considered the same? It could be.

It just depends on which manhole. For example, we have one in the park that overflows all the time. Every rain event, you can get ready for it to overflow. It might be overflowing now. We can come back three hours from now, and it stops. And then we can go back two hours after that, and it's overflowing again. But it's still within the 24-hour period.

Yes, sir.

There is no mechanism so I think Sometimes we overestimate and sometimes we may underestimate but we do the best we can based on the standards that we have and there's nothing that we can do that with. I think it's worth noting it's on down here a little bit. We're fixing to put flow monitoring systems into the system. They will alert us when the flows get high electronically. All that will help us maintain and understand

where we need to be to start trying to correct some of these problems.

We don't treat sewage. There's gray water that we've applied, and that's one of the applications that I sent in to take some gray water. Is that new? No. It's been canceled, but we did issue a permit last year. It did get canceled, so we ended up not taking any gray water. But we have applied to take some gray water.

Well, then we could.

Absolutely, yes. Every bit of that goes. Gray water is treated a little differently, right? And there's some provisions in there that says if it's a rain event, they have to bring it to us. If it's not, then there's a manhole that we applied for to let them release it.

Okay, but we don't have a direct line from them to take the plant, right?

No they don't have any sewer taps on the property whatsoever. They have water.

Does anybody go around and look at those periodically?

Every month.

They read the inactive. They read the inactive.

I mean, I know some of them wouldn't.

Right, there may be different manholes that came from different dates within the month.

It could be the same manhole within the month, just a different date. But they all happen within the month. If you look at the kind of high school number three and two, that's kind of high school. Yeah, that's one one.

Just make sure that one's actually separate.

Right, right. And see, that's where we were saying some of them reported it correctly because some people were calling in and reporting it as three. And then we actually went to look at what this is within this amount of time and really don't want it. But we recorded it on our spreadsheet as three. So we started to... right calling straight to it and we confirmed though that if a citizen calls or anybody outside of manchester uh city employee it's not recorded so even if you have tdac on speed dial and you're trying to get us in trouble and call them they're going to refer you back to the utility and say that the utility formally reported now they may make a mental note that we don't they'll call us hey we just got this call but um they don't they don't put that against us because that call came from an outside resident and that's why we encourage everybody to call

department. It's not like we don't want to go make sure that it's happening or not. But you think you're doing good by calling TDEC, but you're actually not.

They're not coming out.

They're not coming out. I mean, call us. Let us go out. And we're not going to hide them. We want to log them. I mean, our goal is to get this right.

I think the D-24, the one that's numbers high, I understand that's close to the Is this close to the river? Is that high number anything to do with water being that close to the river itself?

Well, I mean, it's exactly because just imagine you have a pipe with holes in it, and you've got the river water when it rains, the river fills up, the pipe fills up. So until we can correct the holes in the pipe, which is what causes the I and I, all the holes, any time the water raises, the water level raises, and you're being that close to the river.

As the river overdoes the bank and gets over to where our pipes are, it makes the event bigger because as the water sits on the ground, it goes into our pipe versus back into the river. So what you're saying is exactly true. It's not that the river, it's when the river gets outside of its banks over the top of our pipe, it makes the event bigger. absolutely so as the rain goes and the little duck river expands and we run along the river with our piping i mean it's going into the ground it's going into the pipe and it's finding its easiest way to that's right absolutely so it just makes it that much more of an issue of 99 versus just seeping in and stuff we have a people you know

If you fix it, you know, that influence would be... So...

And that's what we're working on with Dukes, right? We've got some cleaning. We have some blockages and some things that we think is actually making some of it worse on us. And so we've got them on tap. Our cleaning machine is not as big, so we're going to invest some money with them to let them do some pipe cleaning. Along with that, we will do point repairs and things with pipes. Yes, sir.

There you go.

We're finishing up the year. We've asked all departments for the month of June to kind of slow down expenditures so that we can finish pretty in touch and not need amendments. So there shouldn't be a whole lot

And we actually stopped our spending on May the 18th, unless it's an emergency purchase or something. We stopped well away ahead because I knew we needed to catch up. There's a lot of, still a lot of old outstanding bills from before me that we were paying. So I kind of stopped it early and just had everybody start sending me anything outstanding. Just go ahead and send it to me because I don't want to start in the new fiscal year paying old bills. I mean, it's going to kill us like it did this year.

The discretionary spending.

Right.

That was kind of my question. I don't think you're going to have an amended budget.

We had a small line item to line on a move that the board just passed, and we're going to take a second. But yes, by him stopping his spending, it's letting us catch up. And as he stated, we've had some old vendor bills and stuff that have been out there that have come in from I don't know. I mean, it could have been a year ago. And so we're trying to get everything cleaned up. Give us 30 to 45 days to let everything get through the system and start off in July with a clean slate and then own everything that goes forward.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, we've just moved things around inside. I mean, you know, we had probably a couple hundred thousand dollars in vehicles and stuff that we didn't spend because we bought used, so we used that in some other areas that we kind of went over, and so it was just line item to line item adjustments.

Well, yes.

Well, for us, a lot of it is. What I've found is because there's no checking back. Work is being done and nobody's getting killed. There's no tracking. Some people had bills going to their direct emails. happened to go through old emails. We got one today, for example, in 2024. And they wanted their money. They didn't want to negotiate. They didn't want to talk. They didn't understand about the email. They just said, it's due, and we're coming.

So we don't do that. We have POs now. Right.

Everything is tracked by POs. It's actually, we have like a double check system almost. There's a threshold for getting a PO from purchasing, but we also have an in-house system that I match up invoices to POs and we go through that list every 30 days now. At the end of the month, we, hey, we don't have the invoice, we just call them, get the invoice. Or did we spend it, did we actually use it? Because lots of people get the bill, put it in their pocket, and they say, I don't need that. And then we would never close it out. But it was never married up to say, okay, we didn't use it, cancel it. It's just walking around open the whole time. But, yeah, we have a better system in place now to where we can kind of catch that. And we have a really good relationship with the new purchasing agent. I mean, she stays on us. She stays on me more than anybody. But we have a really good relationship. So, yeah, we're able to have checks and balances.

And with that purchasing agent, what's important for the whole city, right, because it's, I don't want everybody to believe it's an anomaly that it happened in water and sewer. We have other departments with the same problem. So with the purchasing agent, all bills go to her, not her personal email, but to a billing email now. And so that's how we get the bills. We don't let people, when she fills out credit and vendor things, we don't let people put their personal email in the city to get that bill. So that's been very good since we brought them on board. Yeah, so we passed the first reading of the budget. We're flat. We're not asking for any increases whatsoever from taxpayers. We were able to give between a six and 8% raise to the city employees and also covered their insurance. Their insurance went up 11% this year, which was about a $270,000 spend. We covered that as well. So financially, we probably have, I think Anthony reported, 14 or 15 million dollars on hand, and probably 17 million dollars total, but some of it's in assigned funds. But we're very physically responsible as a city right now, and we have a AA credit rating, which is extremely well. No, no. We balanced our budget last year as well, and we were able to do that. Now, you know, we had an extra million dollars in a line item where we sold some property at the industrial park, and we did spend that million dollars on a fire truck. So we're still balanced. Yes, sir.

And that's the one I sent you, the update. We went back and researched and found they had quite a few bugs. we explained to you we had the big uh all the large water meters were calibrated and ones that have been gone out for years have been finally replaced we spent that thirty nine thousand dollars or something like that yeah that i knew we were going to start seeing the savings once we got one scene and we had some data to back it up so now you're seeing the results of that

historically been in the 10% in the last several years.

From Duck River, $1.55, and there's a little bit of state fee in there too. I think it's per thousand. Yeah, per thousand.

It's $1.50 and then there's a $0.05 that goes to the state or something. I can't remember what exactly that's called.

Yeah.

I'm kind of behind on it. I held it on my desk for a while. I should have presented it to y'all probably the first, the last month's water and sewer commission meeting, but I hadn't even talked to the mayor about it, but the mayor got a hold of it and he kind of fast-tracked it. He did. Yeah, it's what went to BOMA before it came here. But I just wanted y'all to see the packet, be aware of what the plan was for this flow monitoring helping us with the overflow. It is mandated by TDEC as part of the I&I project that we're doing. We did it last year. We have to show them again what we've reduced the infiltration by. So all the repairs we've done, all of that is going to be able to be seen because we put the monitors back in the same location that they were before. So we were losing 1,000 gallons just hypothetically. We were losing 1,000 gallons. And now we put the and we'll recognize that we, hey, now you only lose 800 gallons, for example. Okay, y'all, remove 200 gallons of iron. That, and this will just be, it's gonna be a long-term thing for us because we're gonna try to keep them in there as we do repairs. So the repairs we do this year, we'll do the same thing. We'll try to do it next year and the following year until we get it down to a manageable number.

And part of the moratorium states we had to do this is why I went ahead and jumped the gun on you guys. It wasn't something we had an option. I mean, it was one of the items that was in the list of things we had to do was put in flow monitoring systems so that the state could verify the work we're doing. So it wasn't intentional. I thought we passed it. Ronnie and I kind of went back and forth. He said no. I said yes. If somebody takes a hit on jumping you guys, it's me. But it's something I had to do to meet a date with the state of Tennessee or pay a $20,000 fine and I wasn't willing to do that.

So I'll take that.

So the project y'all approved, We were able to shut down the old water station. We were able to shut the water all the way down to it. I still want to move forward with the project as we have originally drawn up by Adam, which is to bring all that stuff out of that unsafe building and build a skid outside. We can just abandon that building. We can do it now. We're 100% sure we can shut it down. We've test-cut it, and we know it works. So that was a good spin and a good decision to make. Also, we were able to replace the hydrant in front of Manchester Times as well. out of service for i don't know how long they have a brand new one there now as well so that project we will be moving forward with that's probably some of these 10 million dollars to try to get that project on up and going so we can get uh get out of that building because it's just too unsafe for my staff to go in there right now i mean water up to over your shoe when you walk in and electrical lines running right up under the water And we have to go in there because we got to go in there. But if we can avoid it, then we're going to do the best we can.

Do we have an idea of a timeline to solve that?

um we have a sketch we have everything pre-drawn up by by saint john adam originally we were going to do all the work in-house but the staff we have just we don't have the talent to do it so i would prefer to go outside and make it turnkey so now to just be a going out for proposals trying to see if we can get a vengeance i don't know Right. And I've even instructed the guys, like, unless they're all hell-breaking loose and whining and screaming and people are out of water, you know, you can check it from the door. You know, look in there. Everything looks good. Don't go in. I mean, it is that dangerous. So it'll be put up as an emergency once we get to 20 million or 10 million sit in there. We can make that up. Because like I say, everything's drawn out. We just need to try to get some contractors to get some .

And they're probably the oldest in the city.

I think we were trying to piecemeal it, right? And let's just get it done.

urgent enough and sketchy enough. Right.

And that was my thinking. This is their specialty. Let them do what they specialize in. I mean, even though we do have some guys that are pretty sharp that could probably do the work, it would take us from our regular everyday operating duties and that would put the citizens at a disadvantage. Now we're taking longer to respond to broke mains or backup stewards because we're pouring concrete or we're framing up buildings.

And the other side of that was we had to get the valves in because we couldn't shut the water off. It may be not new, but Adam, where are we on the Berlanti on the brackets for the pipe on 55? Did we get all that to us? Okay, okay. So yeah, we've got that sent in and that once we can get that pipe back installed, there is some theories that we don't even have to have those pumps, except in the case of a need that it will flow without. Okay, so that was the backup plan so that we can get the building out of commission and stuff for a period of time too. So just, there's a couple things we've been working on to eventually get to the building, but yes.

uh believe it or not i only have two vacancies uh one meter reader and the assistant director and we have applicants in for both i haven't pulled the trigger on the assistant director because just haven't found what i think the city needs i've been finding a lot of well qualified people but not for what this city needs in my opinion so we're still looking for that in the meter reader we had one exception and of course got paid more than another job so we decided to take the other job but we're two just two vacancies I'm not looking for an engineer. I'm not looking for anybody with strategic planning, all that long. I need somebody that's going to come in here, boots on the ground, field manager, field general kind of person that can help us resolve some of these I&I issues that we have, some of these construction issues that we're having. Everybody gets stuck in analysis paralysis in 10 or 15 years go by and then you still have the issue you have now i need somebody with some construction background that can come in and lead crews lead teams that knows wastewater that can that can instruct and guide if we have to get contractors know how to read blueprints that kind of not not really another engineer we have saint john's we use right now that's all i need um I have the strategic planning, the vision. I have all that myself. I don't want another meet. I need somebody that can help the staff get on board so we can get projects completed and done in a timely manner. So that's kind of what we're looking for. And what has been applied has been your really, really high civil engineers, mechanical engineers, who want double what I'm making a year to be paid. And the majority of them don't want to. They want to work from home. They don't want to come here. It's like, wow. I would, too. But we have a few applicants in there now. One of them looks really good to me. So I'm going to set up some interviews with HR probably next week. And we'll see if we can select.

And also, this is round two. Lonnie's gone through this before. We did have a candidate, we made an offer, and it didn't work out for us. So we pulled it down for a short period of time, put it back up to refresh it, and so now we're on round two of trying to select that position for Lonnie. Because I agree, he needs some boots on the ground. He's in, you know, doing a lot of things. And we just suck his time up to where he can't get out and be the field general that we need. And so that's what we got.

Oh, I've got one on McLean Street.

Right on the corner of Woodland, turn in McLean.

I don't know if y'all fixed the wheel.

And there's semis come down going to Manchester Bills by every day. And it's digging it out, that gravel. So we need to be paid.

Yeah, well, and just so that everybody kind of understands the process, right? So Lonnie and them guys do the work. They pack the gravel in. Then we turn it over to Public Works. And George got a little bit behind because we're doing some other big pavement jobs. But we will get there.

Well, they did the alley there by Garner's.

I'll bring it up to George and like I said I know we're paving quite a bit now right now in the city. I'll get George to work. That's a different meeting here. I'm not trying to pass luck but that's a public works. Lonnie and them guys made a deal that we'll buy the material and George does the work.

Water Department doesn't know.

We're not street papers. We're the hole diggers and filling it in.

I brought that up several years ago. Y'all are horrible at patching the street. So we quit, right? We quit that. Yeah.

Thank you.