Board of Supervisors - Regular Meeting

call our meeting to order. First, we have to invocate religion.

That's great, yeah. Our God and Father, how thankful we are to you for the precious people of Madison County who you love and who your son has died for. How we thank you for these wonderful supervisors whom you have called to lead our wonderful county at this time and as they conduct your work this morning this important work that's important in your sight we pray that your precious and wonderful holy spirit will guide our foreign supervisors and lead them to make the right decisions as you would want them to make the decisions the decisions that you want and that you would continue to care for them and for their families for the families of Madison County and we thank you for our supervisors who have sacrificed the services they do. We pray you will continue to bless them as they do that. We give this time to you. We look forward to seeing how you're going to do great things as your precious Holy Spirit leads and guides. For we ask and we pray in Jesus Christ's holy and wonderful name. Amen. Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right. Let's go ahead and do a roll call, please. Supervisor Hobbs. Here. Supervisor Fitch. Here. Supervisor Stanton. Here.

Okay. Can I go ahead and just let everybody know who's on the phone? We're having trouble with the teams at this location, but we're a remote person admitting folks on the teams. So as a part of our teams, yeah. Okay. So we're doing our best right now to figure this out. Okay.

All right. Thanks for letting us know, Michelle. You betcha. Okay, so we're going to have to review the agenda. I think there was one change that you wanted to make, Michelle.

I do. I would request that earlier in the discussion today we talk about the, I would call it a change order. We are presently in the process of tearing up The condensate lines, the concrete, we found that the damage was more extensive, and I sent you all an email last night. And so therefore, if you could just be comfortable with the addition, and I can answer any questions regarding that. I think from my perspective on a building standpoint, It would be foolish to just band-aid what we knew to be leaking. And then as we get farther into the project, there has been leaking. And therefore, I don't want to save a penny to pay a pound later to really booger up a

so do you want us to talk about this before the amenity agenda to talk about this so you can get board direction yes because they're over there now and if it's not going to go then we'll have to figure out what we're going to do okay so why don't if the board is okay with that why don't we put that before the consent agenda so we can talk about that and then if we decide to give directions you can get i can call them and call them and say go ahead if that's the board yeah i'll make a motion to um amend the agenda to include

change order for the basement. Do I have a second?

Second. Any discussion? All in favor please vote aye. Aye. There's one other thing and I apologize Michelle for not re-bringing it up with you but we have a stand we used to have a standing for the fiscal 23-24 audit finding stuff for us to discuss and it fell off I guess by accident.

I guess I thought it was covered under

um the dispute the dispute so yeah you would like it's a different topic and i don't want to kind of go off it's okay it's the standing we had a standing on our agenda for fiscal 23 fiscal 24 audits so that's what i did see your message i just thought it was covered under the dispute but if it's not um yeah and we're going to go into a different territory other than that so i just want to i don't want to hear off okay we also talked about adding the oracle to the discussion I thought you were adding it too, but I don't.

So we're going to amend the agenda to include fiscal year 23-24 and work group discussions. Okay.

And then moving the piping up earlier in the meeting. Yep. Okay. So what we have on the floor right now is just the piping. Do you care to amend your motion? I am. to add those two things, and then you can review. Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't understand the motion. Okay, all right, any further discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. Okay, all right, so Michelle, can we ask, can we review? Okay, let me, hold on.

Don't forget to give me a meeting.

All right, so let's go ahead and talk about the Jane Doerr.

That was it. That was pretty much it? Yeah, you want to recap the email?

I think we got the email last night. You got pictures? Yeah, I went down and looked at it.

It is original, old, old. I know, that was the whole thing. And they're going to go back with the schedule 80 versus what was in there was 40. Yeah. And there, think about it, there's a great big letter F in the basement. There's T's. It comes all the way back to the supply. It's critical for your boiler to operate to have good condensate lines at Darby.

Yeah, we don't want it to go in the middle of winter. So what is the...

The addition was, what, 17? I think that's the number. Yeah.

And then I did give you. 18.7. Okay, 18.7. And this is going to come out a loss. It will. It was 1,800.

Okay, let me do the math again. I had to send an email with the exact number. I had 18.7. 18.7, okay. And then, yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right.

So there was a mention all the way back to piping sources. So are they able to inspect all of the remaining and identify any other potential issues? Correct.

And while they've got it open, this includes replacing it all. The T's, the threadings, the valves, everything. So this is just, this would fall under standard maintenance?

Yes, exactly.

And the only reason you bring it to us is because of the number? Because of the dollar amount. Okay. It was an increase. And if you go down on the corner by the door, where the range was, then it's just absolutely rusted through. Yeah. It's just, it's probably original.

Yeah, probably. Original when it was installed. It was prior to Danny and it was prior to Excel's involvement. So, I, we need to keep

You know, I feel like I'm twisting your arm behind your back, but I'm giving you as much information as I have and as much as we have. Yeah, and your email says $18,700 not to exceed, so hopefully you'll be... And a $5,000 to go over the new concrete. Was it $3,500? Oh, and that's... And I do want to say that this is...

very generous. Right. So that they're trying to make this treat as well. Well, I am not, I'm saying we should, I think we should move forward with the maintenance. We just have no problem with that. No, move forward. Thank you for bringing that up on that so we can give direction. Thanks for getting that. Do we have a motion for that? No.

It's in the budget. It's within the purview of the courthouse. She just wanted to have a discussion so we're aware.

Okay. Thank you.

You're welcome. As soon as Todd emails me, I will do it. Okay. Thank you.

Alright, so we get back to... Can I apologize about...

I don't know what to put on with this.

Nope. Alright, let's get back to the... Review of the agenda, we already amended it. I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. So moved. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Now, Michelle, I did have a question on here, and I'm sorry I should have brought it up before we voted on it. The amended solutions resolution that you put in here, did you just put it in here because we needed to sign it, we never got a chance to sign it?

That is exactly what the direction was, was to not put it on as a new one. As when the decision was made, evidently the document was not. So it, to me, is kind of a receiving file so the constituents and then that's kind of where they'll see it. It'll just be a part of something for you to sign at the end of the meeting.

And then you'll add it as part of the completed documents on our, yes, shared server. Okay. So you put it on again so it can be signed in a receiving file. Because what we did before is we brought it off the table and it wasn't part of the, we just brought it off the table and voted on it as a motion. So this is just for paper tracking. Okay, thanks for clarifying that. All right, so that brings us to the department head reports and discussion. Mike, you are up.

Good morning, everyone. My name is Mike Hackett. I'm the Madison County secondary roads engineer. I will be brief again today. Bring action items as you see on the resolution. Actions items A, E, F, and G are all standard road closures for maintenance operations for either shaping road top for granular surfacing or culvert replacement. You may consider those together if you wish. The other resolutions there are work agreements, standard work agreements for culvert replacement operations, pretty standard stuff. The very last one, H, I mentioned that in the last report that we are working with the scenic byways federal grant for Hollowell Bridge. That is progressing, but we still have not secured funding. Part of working with the federal part of that is getting it federalized. So that required a change, an amendment to our five-year construction, local construction program. We had it in the construction program. Nothing has changed. It's there. It just went from local funded money to a federal money. And so that's what H does. It's a resolution that says that we changed the funding source. That will bring it up to the STIP. and start federalizing it. They think that that will be a better chance in order to get federal funding if it's presented now. Still have not heard whether or not we have received the grant or not, but that's what DOT has advised us to do.

So that's H. Do they know how long it's going to take before they can advise?

This started February, and we get little pieces here and there. If not, maybe they'd make an announcement in June. Here we are in August, which I don't know. That's way up the ladder in the government process. Okay, I have to report that the Rustic Avenue bridge replacement project is nearing completion. Actually, we put down permits yesterday in the road control. Hoping all the little details get finished and we open that project up for traffic this week.

I have a question. If the bridge is done but it's not seated, is it considered open? No.

There's minor things that have to be done with picking up the side bridge. making sure the guardrails installed correctly and everything for liability issues need to be checked off before we can get that done. We're working with the contractor to get it open and we're hoping to get all of that done this week so it can be open to traffic. I'm suspecting people are going to need it. Mr. Memerings, be to the next. At the last meeting, we talked about the Bevington Park bridge projects. There's two of them as we have spoken before. We had a pre-construction meeting, sent out notices on closures. That's a bigger process than just what it seems. Meeting tomorrow morning with the sub-sign contractor and contractors. We'll find details on that. Whether it makes a big difference what happens or something else happens somewhere else, also the official detour route for traffic is using the interstate system so there's a lot of pieces involved with this i would suggest to use our road notification we will post dates dates as we get that done we're aware of the exact dates going forward but those projects are moving forward are they the same contractors no they're not no no herberger construction has the more bridge dust construction as the middle bridge in the south. I already talked about the Hollow Oak Recovered Bridge Grant. Fiscal year-end closeouts and a report. That's been a big thing in our office right now is getting that done. That's due here in September. Interesting process. Someday I'll give a five and a half hour lecture on it. A lot of numbers crunched to close out stuff. Speed limit study, still working on a few things. That'll be interesting once I bring that back. We're finding out that a lot of our curved highways are not 60 miles an hour. That's a big project. Site distances, those type of things. We're finishing up, as far as maintenance activities, finishing some of the operations and projects that are getting done. So we're going to try to do a couple of culvert replacement projects here before fall. We've got a couple of bridge projects, maintenance items, supplementary pile wings. We have a bridge closed in the south part. We're going to try to get to that in October. Have caught up a little bit more on mowing. Again, ongoing sign replacement projects. That's it. That's all I have. I'm trying to get that as quick as I can for questions. If anybody else has any questions, you can answer in the hallway, email, or call me.

So, I asked you earlier what it would mean if we could consider AEFG together. Yes. And you said yes, so we could save time.

And what those are, those are the standard. We closed the road so we could replace the pipe. There's a bundle in there from the flooding that we had that's closed. Of course, that's all open. All these are completed and open. Okay. Standards, yeah.

Can you use any of that on funding that I sent you?

No, not on that one. Okay. Nope, keep sending it. We'll look at it. Look at everything we get. Don't stretch the dollar.

I just want to say thank you for your very clear, very detailed communication regarding the bridge closers. Yep. And thanks for getting that out there and communicating it so effectively.

You bet. Thank you. Thank you. Yep.

Thanks. All right, Brady, you're up.

Hello, I'm Brady Foreman, EMS Director, Madison County. So a quick rundown of our call volume. Year to date, we're at 842. So we're averaging three to four calls a day. So that's about average, almost the same as last year. On the 8th, we attended the 100 celebration of Clark Tower. I had a name that was out there once a day. Kids went through it. I had a lot of interest in that. The 11th and 12th, I went to a CMS billing and documentation class. And it's as fun as it is. Talk about Medicare and Medicaid billing and documentation for six to eight hours.

Now you're an expert, right? More confused than ever.

Had a meeting with Image Trend about hospital uploads. That's our report writing system. We've got it set up now. We used to have to send them, allow them to pull the reports, which they have to go right to pull the reports and we took it to their hospital. So we've got it set up now where they can pull them automatically. So that saves them and us time. So that was nice. I had a quarterly trauma meeting with Madison County Hospital. I went over a few calls. No deficiencies noted. So we're good there. Had a meeting with the Winterset Athletic Director of the new sports trainers about how we're going to operate the football games this year. It's a new trainer, so he was kind of wondering how things went. So hopefully that'll be a little easier on us because they'll be there every game. So I'm going to say call us out if you want as well. I met with the auditor about the GEMT report. She's helping me fill out all that paperwork, which we do every year, which is, again, that's that Medicaid reimbursement money that we get, which they keep dropping, of course. They keep dropping our reimbursement rates, but at least it's better than what it was.

Are you caught up now on anything that's behind it, or is that done?

As far as the... As the reimbursement? So it's... so the we're filling out the paperwork now which would be for fiscal year 26 and then they'll run all of our reports and then tell us what we'll get moving forward forever so it's always a interviews yeah okay you're here behind yeah pretty much but it's weird because it's what we did last year is what we get more or less paid for this year if we're on that call And then it just keeps going. So yeah, they're always trying to figure out, you know, all their, you know, all the government stuff. They're trying to figure out how they can give us less and less. But then I got a meeting with Red Cross today about some CPR, first aid. stuff that they're trying to put out and see if they can get into communities and stuff like that. So I'm not exactly sure what they're wanting, but we're going to find out. Oh, and our ambulance, I did check on it, the new remount. It should be, allegedly, will be completed end of November, 1st of December. That's the projected date for completion. We have a loaner now, so we still have the three ambulances. We just got a loaner. from them right now.

Why does that take so long? Is there just one company that does it?

No, no. There's a bunch of companies, but the chassis are what are hard to get. There's a few companies around that order 20 to 30 every single year. When we order one every seven, eight years, we're not set to the top of the list. That's the main problem. All right.

Thank you. All right. Michelle, you are up.

Thank you. I do not have a written report. I'm just going to go ahead and talk about a couple things and answer any questions you might have. Michelle Brandt, Madison County Auditor. We continue to work on getting the tax process as far as we can get it. We're still working on balancing with the Treasurer's Office through November. We do have a conference call today as long as everybody's available with solutions. And I'm trying to figure out what the impasse is. It's just a non-negotiable benchmark that we need to have. Helping Brady with GEMT, we have the two-tier reports due by September 1st. I did attend one day of the ISAC conference, or a day and a half. We talked about, Dom talked about the new credits versus exemptions and those type of things that are coming down the road. You also want to talk about the fiscal year 23 and 24. So during this time, would you like to talk about that?

Oh, I was just, the reason why we have it on there is because, you know, we had some findings, and I want to make sure that we're addressed where we're at. Are we good on all those findings? Because there's a couple takeaways that we gave to you to kind of figure out, one of which was the legal review or the legal referral for one of the items. We're going to double check and see if there's any paperwork on that. Okay. so so the legal review the one where there was no bidding on the construction in the auditor's office and the state auditor i think they found that and their their findings were correct there was no bidding there was no bidding okay all right so um probably need to discuss what the next steps on are on that as a board but that's not really i don't know we want to do that now or we're going to have a special discussion on that but um Okay, yeah.

Their findings were correct. Okay. There was no, I didn't, I should say I found nothing to the contrary.

Okay. And then do you have any things that you're getting pushback or incast on in some of the findings they recommended for changes or updates?

No, we're just adopting and slowly but surely putting policies in place. Actually, this is more in writing because the fact is it's a policy when it's in writing, it's a procedure when you're doing it. If that makes any sense.

I just want to make sure that we stay on top of that so next year we're not... Well, I have no findings next year, but my speaking suspicion would be low.

all right thank you i appreciate that update no problem okay um any other questions or this isn't your lane but i'm getting calls do you know when the property tax statements are coming out it is my lane and um i i have i can i can go through my protocol to a certain point and then i have to stop And that's the follow-up call I have with our Solutions Vision Support today. I want to confirm that I have not stopped prematurely and that I'm not going to make a mistake because this is my first time through not having the end of the year closed. I'm truly just searching for either a workaround or what this means financially. I did talk to some other auditors at the conference. It's not the first time they've been through this, so that is not a path I want to take.

Are any of the problems caused by the changes in the legislation? No. Okay. Any other questions?

you wanted to you you have boyas on the is that it's going to be a topic the open records yeah we have a new business um because i do i do have my september 23rd policy and that the performance policy probably diane you and you heather are most familiar with this and then the open records process request and this is the stuff that was never approved so it is the policy

We go by in our office, but I know it's something we've been working on for a few years now. It's really ready to go. Did you send those electronically? I was looking for them this morning and couldn't find them.

I did not send them electronically. And I will send the PDFs to you and see what our office operates under.

Do you have hard copies of it?

I do, I do. I just don't have three copies. I left them on the kitchen counter and my husband was viciously unkind enough to bring them to me, otherwise he would have had Fabulous little packets.

So what we could probably do is have her send us a soft copy. We can do a high level overview discussion today as the board is doing what we're looking for and then maybe do a meeting to talk about it and then go forward on there. Fair enough. A quick question. Did you happen to visit the CSN booth at the ISAC conference?

I did, and actually they mentioned that you were going to visit with me about it, and I absolutely have already evaluated and I'm very open to that conversation.

Okay, great. So for the board and the public, there's a lot of frustration expressed regarding the financial reporting via solutions. And ironically, I learned that there is a third provider now, not just solutions and Tyler. But CSN has a way to basically overcome it with software and provide better, more detailed reporting that's easier to access. Solutions, you can get it, but it's very hard to To get the reports, the financial data out of that. Is this the new company that launched?

No, this is the intermediary. They will data mine and repackage and make it available.

So they're an in-between for solutions?

They're a fix, I guess, for lack of a better term. Another option to provide us better data out of solutions.

And that's what I like about it is, first of all, you have to make sure that when it goes to them, it's ready to go to them. Right. We're not there right now, but it is an absolute advantage to me.

So let's explore that because I know a couple years ago I talked to a company because I too was frustrated with the kind of reports we got because it doesn't really tell the public a lot. It doesn't really tell us a lot. It doesn't tell us a lot either unless you really study it. Like when we approve our budgets, it really doesn't give a lot of data on that so it's hard to decide, especially since things are in regions. so um i can't remember the company i talked to may have been csn i don't know but they're for the same reason they they do that they repackage it so you can actually put it on the website you can have a pie chart that can show where all the money is going this particular company actually makes it easier for budgeting because you can actually go in like the board and say hey we need to reduce our budget by two percent and whatever you can actually put it in there and automatically calculate so our auditor is not hand doing everything whenever we make a change or whenever the board makes a change so i think that'll make it of course there's a cost to it but um So they're incentivizing people to sign up now for the first year. I'll have to look and see who I talked to a couple years ago. It's a different company. But yeah, I'd like to look at it more. So maybe that's a future discussion. But to your point, you guys are trying, you ladies are trying to reconcile and get all the... Because if I were going to sign up today...

If I were writing to you right now... I think that would be good for the board to understand it so when you are ready to kind of do it whether it's with this board or the new board

I think it's a good discussion to have so everyone understands it on the same place. So for now, if I want to say, okay, where are we at, for example, you know, this conference for the board budget, then I just send you an email and you can send me where the costs are today versus projected. Is that?

So, yes, you would just ask me for a general ledger of your year to date, and I have sent those. That's the plan. I'm not sure if you guys got yours or not, but maybe not. Not yet. So again, so you can see your year-to-date expenses. Which is helpful, especially when we're approving claims. But not until the year is closed. See what I'm saying? I see. So that's the issue. That's the issue. Until the year is closed, I cannot produce those reports.

Okay. So hopefully we'll have some good news after the conference call today and a good path forward.

I'm trying. But we'll only balance through November? Funds are balanced, ledgers are not. And that's a geeky, stronger, longer conversation. Okay, understood. Sorry. That's okay. I could do a mic and go, oh.

Yeah, well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we are now up to the time of public comment. If you wish to comment, please come to the podium and state your name and where you're from. You have three minutes. For the folks on the phone, we do have you muted. So what we're going to do is we're going to go for public comment here on site. And then once we're finished here, we will go to you folks on the phone. So please be patient if you're on the phone and you wish to speak. Who would like to speak? The sale of the former public health building represents a failure of governance and fiscal responsibility. You are liquidating infrastructure without a plan, which is a clear example of maladministration. On September 1, our 2080 agreement with Warren County officially ends, and the Madison County Board of Health is now tasked with the huge responsibility of rebuilding our public health services. The VOH is assessing the situation to determine how the county will fulfill its legal required responsibilities, including disease investigation, isolation and quarantine, and enforcement of state health laws. They are discussing staffing options, and how these services will be delivered. Where does the Board think public health will go now that you are selling the North Amherst? You have just taken away that option. With the recent measles outbreak in Iowa, I would think you would be assisting the Board of Health instead of taking options away from them. The decision to sell the public health building and spend money to renovate the EMS building without any kind of cost-benefit analysis is irresponsible. I also question whether there is enough room in the old EMS building to house both the VA and public health if your expensive renovations ever come to fruition.

We demand an immediate formal moratorium on all county property liquidations until an independent third party space utilization and capital needs assessment is completed and published.

Please stop liquidating Madison County's assets piecemeal.

Protect our taxpayers, protect our public health services, protect our veterans, and execute a real long-term plan before you sign away property that belongs to us.

I respectfully ask that you receive and file on purpose.

Motion to receive and file. So moved. Second. Second. All in favor please vote aye. Aye. All those motion carries. Who would like to speak next? Otherwise, we will go to Paul.

Anyone else?

Sherry Young, Madison County Taxpayer. I'm Sandy. First, my usual girls, I really know there are a lot of people now that are demanding your resignation because you continue to spend our money frivolously. Right now, people in Madison County are watching tens of thousands of taxpayer money go towards your outside counsel and ongoing disputes, which you guys have instigated. We have seen outside legal bills pile up while litigation to threaten higher costs down the line. Every dollar spent on outside attorneys is a dollar that isn't fixing our roads, supporting county infrastructure, or funding essential services like public health and others. Supervisor Fitch has put forward a straight forward resolution to cease and desist all outside counsel and put moratorium on spending that resolution that resolution directly reflects that taxpayers lost fiscal restraint transparency and immediate end to unchecked legal costs when a board member introduces a measure meant to stop and stop the drain of our county budget that measure deserves to be heard diane thank you for trying to say what needs to be said and it's horrible that you don't get that option like you should instead stanzel and hobbs use procedural technicalities to slow down the process just like it's just deferring that you guys don't want to hear from us we understand that but we see you and we know that instead let's be clear the vote actually does cost money every meeting that goes without this resolution costs us more money delaying a vote of outside counsel doesn't pause billing, we will have to. It keeps with running. While supervisors have every right to follow internal bylaws, using procedural rules as a shield to avoid taking public stance on taxpayer spending assets, a message that board politics are taking priority over financial well-being of Madison County. Furthermore, claiming the broad policy decisions regarding outside counsel must happen behind closed doors ignores the fundamental spirit of Iowa's open meeting law. The public has a right to know where its money is going. Taxpayers in Madison County do not want long procedural debates, endless delays. We want fiscal accountability and administration hurdles out of the way. Allow the board to act on this resolution that Diane has presented. or will present for any unnecessary spending to an end. I thank you and receive and file my comments. Motion to receive and file.

So moved. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. And who else wants to speak? Going what?

Next star, Earl of Iowa. Diane, I want to address several issues involving you. First, your statements about my open records request, particularly your claims that there were no records, have been proven wrong yet again, and records were provided to me, providing you were wrong. Another I did complaint. I also want to address a complaint involving Ms. Frost. The way that the complaint was characterized was amusing, to say the least. It appears Ms. Frost compiled the complaint, but yet you signed your name. This also wasn't going to go well for you. Further retaliation. Then there's the allegation that I was lawyering in the courthouse. Diane, I was there to vote absentee, attend court proceedings, fill out paperwork that I was requested to come in for, and pick up open records requests. Those are lawful activities. At what point does a citizen exercising lawful rights become lawyering? There's also your use of government email accounts for your own personal political campaign-related activity. No need to worry. I file complaints there as well. Michelle, offering to block communication from a citizen to an elected official is a huge no-no. And there are cybersecurity and password issues, you quit? I've done absolutely hilarious. I also have concerns about comments making staff about my requests, including comments having about a sore throat and writing things down. Those communications raise serious questions about how my requests were handled and about my First Amendment rights to free speech and to petition my government. And I have a recording to where one of your staff members says, We could simply ask to delete that. That raises a simple question. What else are you and your team willing to delete? Votes? Diana Michelle, I'm going to be blunt.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but please make sure you're addressing the board.

I'm addressing the board. I'm not the board. That's fine. Okay, I want my time back, please. Diana Michelle, I'm going to be blunt. The lying, deceitful, intimidating tactics used throughout this situation are not going too well for you or anyone involved. By involving staff, you have put you and your own employees in the middle of this as well. And Steve's revert to the Attorney General? I find that amusing too. I have done nothing more than submit open records requests and speak at public meetings every citizen has the right to do. I told you all 60 days ago, I'm not going away. I will continue asking questions, requesting public records, and exercising my rights, because in doing so, I have called all of this out, and I'm concerned about the things you are not responding to, including the audit, custodial supplies, and other requests. So what else are you hiding? Threatening the chair for fulfilling open records request, why? Because she is following the law? The three of you, Steve, Diane, Michelle, are going to cost the citizens of Madison County a lot of money, because this continued behavior, if there are consequences for doing the wrong things, those frustrations should be directed to those responsible. not the citizens who ask the questions. And honestly, it'll be interesting to see who throws the other one under the bus first. So I'll leave you with this. In my opinion, Diane Michelle, you're nothing more than two malignant flies landing on the ponytail of the county's jackass. Thank you.

All right. Anyone else wish to speak? Otherwise, we'll move to the phone.

at Iowa. Michelle, thank you for the outstanding job you continue to do every day. You have been very concerned about the citizens of this county. You have voted what is in the best interest of this county, and that's not been the case with every Florida supervisor member. I want to thank you for your hard work. We're going to miss you. Michelle, keep up the good work. We appreciate what you do every day, and there's a lot of people who care about you more than you know. Thank you. Oh, okay.

I don't want to go on the record right now saying I have a concern.

My concern is I do not want to silence. Nope, I agree. So if we're all okay with it, that's fine. There's been worse that so no, I'm not I just I'm just hesitant on that. I don't and I defer and that's no problem, but I It is. Thank you for bringing it up. You're absolutely right.

So maybe we need to Just in that make a reminder and if they want to go off course then we just just let it go because I mean again I think giving energy to that is, it's not productive. Is that fair?

Yeah, I'm very cautious about the person. I'm not suggesting we squelch anything. All right, so anyone else that wish to speak? Otherwise, we'll go to the phone. Okay, if you are on the phone and you wish to speak, now is your time. Please hit star. to unmute your phone. Just be aware there's about a two or three second delay. So please be patient. We don't need to talk over you if that's what it sounds like. I do have one person unmuted, two people.

Hi, good morning. This is Tana Morehead with Small Business Administration. Just want to confirm that we're on the agenda or should I make comments during public comment?

You are on the agenda. You are on the agenda under presentation, so you would fall under, after our master plan development group director speaks, you will come right after him. Okay.

What's your number so I can?

What's your phone number? What's your phone number, Tana? I've got it now. You've got it. Oh, she has it. I'm sorry.

It's showing up on my screen.

So if you would go ahead and unmute again, star six. I'm sorry, mute yourself, star six, and when it's time for you, we'll have you unmute.

Thank you. Okay, great. Thank you so much. And my colleague, Sean Evans, is also on the line as well. Okay. And he's also calling from 279.

Got it. Okay. Thanks, Tana.

Yeah. Okay.

Thank you. Thank you. All right. We'll do this one more time before we move on to presentations. If you wish to speak in public comment, please hit star six to unmute your phone. State your name and where you're from. You'll have three minutes. Okay, we'll go ahead and move on to presentations. Ryan Marquardt. You're off the mute again. Yes. Do I need to unmute? I don't think so. I didn't mute you. How are you doing?

Good. Hello. Hello.

Oh, no. Hello, Harold. That's an inventory.

We're upstairs. Okay.

I'm just going to pick this up and see if it all goes to pot.

You may want to turn it on. Is it not on? I am just really shirking my duties today. Yeah, it wasn't on.

We can carry you.

It's all good. It's all good. Okay. So I'm Mass County Development Director Brian Marquardt. Thank you. Good morning here. So things that we're working on right now, we have our annual meeting where we elect officers coming up here on September 9th. We're getting our ballots out. Newsletter, all that kind of stuff that we're working on. The biggest thing that we're kind of monitoring right now is we're working with the city of Winterset on a Power of Ohio grant that's due tomorrow. So what that does is that forms a housing committee does a housing assessment they look at they look at a bunch of data do a community survey um the grant is for about twenty thousand it's for twenty thousand dollars and it puts in ten we did look at uh doing one of those for earlham but then we found out that as well when we found out the state's only going five only to fund five owners we're like well we're going to run the horse that's a little further along than where six was so we'll learn all this long enough we can get through that process So that's in the works. We're trying to get that all cleaned up, get the housing community put together, doing an inventory of the upper story apartments downtown. We've got three businesses, just this last week, within the last week in the office, discussing some expansion projects. One's looking for location. Another one's looking to purchase a significant asset. The other one's looking to buy and build a significant $100 million. That's still interesting. We're trying to look at some RLF options for that latter one. And then we may be staffing them depending on the call this morning. So we may, you know, get in with one to do a building acquisition, another one to do a remodel. So we're looking at that right now. So we still are working on a mass development group on an internal loan with a business and we are working with a business on a loan out of Pharmaceutical Cooperative. So we'll see how those kind of come together. They should be pretty slam-dunk. It's just a matter of getting all the paperwork together for them. But other things we've been working on, on the community foundation side of things, the Earlham Community Fund should finally be operational. And some BRRRR under some people's saddles in the one foundation about how we had it structured. So I think we got that finally all cleared away.

Can you tell me who the BRRRR was?

No, I can't tell you who the BRRRR was. I can just say that in the donor world, there's a big thing about donor intent. We had to make sure that we, so this fund will basically be for Winterset, sorry, for rural and recreational facilities. So, yeah. But, I was like, as far as I'm concerned, we were split in areas and we could have resolved the multi-week dispute with a pretty easy phone call earlier. Whatever. it's just now it's never easy thank you for being persistent yeah well it took six weeks so uh subdivision ordinances so those are done we're just waiting on some review and so ordinances are we'd like to get to the data centers once we kind of get those ready to roll out uh for uh for the full board for full plans and then that covered bridge preservation association fundraising committee has met and they have kind of started working on a plan for how to do the coverage that's both free to that luxury board and that board meets next so.

Okay and is the QR code already?

That is operational yeah so we will have one of those for Irwin too which they wanted to have a pool you know the pool is open so you could donate to the splash pad project but clearly the pool is not open anymore so no no yeah.

but thank you very much yeah no problem any other questions would you be willing um

One day, Simon Conley was on the WHO radio show. Yeah, he was discussing getting married in the bridge. And I called him and said... Which one? I was married on the bridge. Yeah, I know. Oh, I think you picked the perfect person then. So I called in and said that was my first kiss, and I've been married to the same guy for 51 years. And so he said he would be more than willing to help us raise money for the bridges. I sent him all of your QR codes and all of your information. Sure, sure. He called me this morning and said, would we come on the radio tonight? I can't, and it was pretty short notice. But he said we can make something this week. So I would like to take, I'll call him back after this. I would like to take you and Mike, and you can still too. Are you okay with that?

Yeah, we'll figure something out.

We've already asked. It's all good.

It's all good. It sounds like I'm voluntold. Yeah, you're voluntold.

You're kind of happy.

And then I think the head of board and the RFP today, we've seen some of that. So those are, we see a lot of warehousing right now. Yeah, what we see is apparently... I think John Deere has pulled a lot of suppliers onshore, so we'll be seeing a lot of requests for RFPs for that kind of warehousing space. We don't have a lot of that available in the county, so we may be able to act on it, but it's something that we have some sites identified where something like that could be done in the future. That's on our five-year plan to continue to pursue those types of developments. That would be to have all those types of RFPs when we get those done. Good, thank you.

I'll let you know what I find out.

That's cool. Any other questions?

No, I think we're good.

Alright, I appreciate it. Have a good day.

Thank you. Alright, now we're up for Tana Morehead and Sean Evans with the Small Business Association regarding monies available for flooding assistance. Tana and Sean, all you need to do is hit star six to unmute your phone and you have a floor.

All right, good morning. Are you all able to hear me? We can hear you, Hannah. Awesome, thank you so much. Yes, Shawn Evans and I are on the call. And we thank you for allowing us this opportunity to share the Small Business Administration Disaster Assistance Program with you, the board. We are here in response to the storms and the flooding that took place July 2nd through the port here in Iowa. And particularly several different counties were actually declared, Madison being one of the contiguous counties. What I shared is, through the email, and I'm not sure if you had this before you, is there are several informational pieces. One would be a fact sheet. what we call a fact sheet, and it has all of the details about the actual disaster loan program that we're offering to those individuals who may have experienced physical damages. That could be to a home structure, a primary residence, or to a business structure. What that entails is that we have in our program the ability for those to apply to have repairs gun or replacement uh gun for disaster damage property that would also include automobiles as well a lot of times in floods uh automobiles are you know flooded flooded out um or or you know floating down the road uh so but um WITH THIS PROGRAM, THEY'RE ABLE TO APPLY FOR PHYSICAL DAMAGES. THERE ARE CREDIT REQUIREMENTS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PROGRAM. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT'S CREDITED, ACCEPTABLE TO THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC NUMBER, BUT WHAT'S AVAILABLE OR WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, RETAINABILITY. mission is not to put anyone in any type of hardship. So based upon the application that is submitted from the survivor, they can be considered for the program at affordable interest rates, actually below market interest rates. The max on the term is up to 70 years. That doesn't mean that the person will get 30 years or have 30 years to pay that, but it is again based on the financial application or financial status of the individual or applicant. We'd like to say, and this is what I'd like to say, that this is a disaster friendly program. Because we do not require any payment for the first 12 months. So the payments are deferred. So there's zero interest, zero payment for the very first month. And, you know, along with that, the payments are fixed. It is not a bearable type program, but the loan payments are fixed. And it's suitable so that the borrower can, one, regroup and do the repairs and do the replacements that they need to do as soon as they can. And the other thing that I really like about the program, and I'm referencing the benefits of an SBA disaster loan, is that there is no prepayment penalty so there are times where people may borrow um the funds and want to pay it off early if they need some uh you know lump sum of money from somewhere what have you so then you get to borrow the money without any interest attached to it um no prepayment penalty um also the other thing that i'd also like to mention is that there is um there's no need to wait for your insurance to settle. The insurance sometimes may take a bit in processing and an applicant can go ahead and just apply for both the disaster loan and insurance simultaneously as well as any other type of resources that may be on the table. I understand that Iowa did have a program in place for survivors where they were able to apply for grant funds to help with their disaster recovery. We don't require that. You basically, an applicant or survivor can go ahead and start the process with an application for disaster assistance and um you know get awarded or approved for funds uh without having the insurance settled and then there is um the options for mitigation and that is something i really like to stress with a lot of times actually we did an event last week with jasper county and a lot of the residents there had been through this situation for a second time i believe that they were flooding in the area in 2024 they had repaired and replaced things in the basement and then this flood came through this second time well we want to make sure that there is an option to mitigate any type of reoccurring damages damages to the property, to the structure. And so those mitigation projects are something that can be done. And whatever that is, you know, whether it's a self-prompt or elevation of the home or, and I know you all have basements. I'm from Texas. We don't have basements. We have attics. there are many things that could be done to mitigate the damages reoccurring. And so I wanted to share this all, just a bit of this information with you all to share with your residents and constituents. I know that the information has been shared, but we're looking at our deadline coming up for those to apply for physical damages. And that deadline is coming up September 21st. And so we want to make sure that all those who need assistance are able to get assistance, you know, using this as an option. I also want to address that those applications that may have been submitted, some may have gotten a declination, a decline, or withdrawn status on their application. And that doesn't necessarily mean a hard no or no we cannot help. It just means that there may be more information than is requested. So that there is time to appeal or time to request reconsideration. And generally that takes, you know, there's an extension of six months where someone who may have gotten a denial or withdrawn application, they have six months from the date of the letter that they received from SBA to address the reasons why they may be declined. And they can submit information or supporting documents just to prove that the issue has been resolved and what have you. so basically we just wanted to make sure that this information is available um to the residents there uh in your county and um i'm open for are we open for any questions or um you know any concerns that you might see uh with this program to help uh the survivors recover so thank you for this time i'm sorry i'm sorry to interrupt um i i do have a couple questions you said that there's

No payment for the first 12 months? Does that mean those payments are tacked on on the end of the loan?

No, no. It's actually, those payments are not due until after the 12th month. Okay, so you're just basically... In the interest as well. All of that's deferred.

Okay, so you're not incurring any interest. It's just you let them have 12 months to start paying. Okay.

Okay. And then you said there's no need for insurance settlement. So what we learned here from our tornado, the insurance, a lot of the insurance companies are not kind to our folks and some are still even waiting for insurance settlements. So how does that work? How quickly can you guys approve a loan for a small business?

for small business now each case is different um it is it does involve the response time of the uh applicant so um as soon as applicants can submit the documents requested or if there are any requested then the sooner um the process can move along smoothly so i would say just in an ideal situation i would say four to six weeks oh

Okay. Hannah, if I'm a small business and you give me a $50,000 loan and the insurance company is already going to pay off some, are they going to subrogate what I got from you and then not pay me?

No. The way that that works is that the insurance, if the insurance is paying on anything damages that you incurred and you filed or submitted an application for a disaster loan, whatever the proceeds are from the insurance would be in your loan amount will be lessened. So then you won't be paying back on a full amount. So you will report that to SBA and what the insurance takes you for those damages. would go towards, you know, your loan amount, your original loan amount. That way we aren't, you know, paying on duplicate benefit.

Okay. I have another question. I think we talked about this when we met. There's a house in St. Charles that was flooded. But rather than to, I don't know that there will be much cost in cleaning it up. can we do like pervious paving and rain gardens and tile around that house to mitigate ever future flooding? Can we use it for that?

That would be a mitigation improvement and mitigation improvements are handled with the case manager. So the applicant would submit that proposed that to the case manager for approval and certainly that could be included in additional funds could be added on top of the loan for that project with the cost and so forth. So with mitigation, we don't exceed 20% of the approved damages or verified damages. So THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SUBMITTED FOR MITIGATION IMPROVEMENT. IN ADDITION TO, LET ME CLARIFY, IN ADDITION TO a regular disaster loan for physical. So if the property owner, let's say, wanted, had to do cleanup or had to repair, he got a loan for repairing any damages done to the structure, then the mitigation would be effective for that, or attached to that.

Is there, and I apologize for asking, I don't recall seeing your original presentation and information, but is there a way you can get it done? I can speak to them.

So we got those this morning. Oh, okay. And so I was exploring with Jessica. Once we have a chance to review them, we can then perhaps post them on our website.

So what I wanted to do, and jump in here, Tana or Sean, if I'm speaking out of turn, is to have like a packet to where people can download it, they get all the information, they get the application, so they're not searching for things on our website.

Well, the day Tana was here, we can put it on the website, but the day Tana met with Mitch and I, Mitch and I sent all of these packets to every city, And I think Ryan, we sent it to Ryan also. So they've had it since we met last week. So we have it.

And I think you have it, so you can upload it. Should we have Mitch then run ahead on this?

well yeah mitch maybe you can work with with tan and sean to put up i guess that's what yeah together so we can get on the website so there's a lot of times that people if they're flooded they might not be able to travel to a city call or something well the city's been really good about reaching out yeah um because they do have poor pretty bad damage yes So if we can work together and get that, I think that would be a great thing to put on our website as a single document that folks who are in crisis can download and fill out the application quickly.

I'm sorry. We definitely can send that over. And if there is a need, we can probably do a virtual event for those who are needing assistance and who'd like to get assistance. The individuals would need to set up a portal. We have a MyMCA portal where they would set up a profile account with the username, email, password, information, and they would submit the application online there. But we're happy to maybe perhaps do a virtual event with the information, and that way two people can ask questions as well.

Mitch has all this information. Okay.

All right. Diane, you're going to work with Mitch then? Who's going to talk to Mitch after we've all discussed it now? I think we'll ask Mitch to put it up on the website. Okay. That'd be great. Under his emergency management page, I think that's probably the best place for it. So that would be great. But we may want to put it on our main page, though, too, so people see it, right? That's true. Yeah.

Yeah. So. Whatever you guys decide, just send it to me. If anyone wants to get something that they did not agree on, and I can get it onto the solution.

I'll have you send out. Yeah. Diane can mention the packet versus all those individual documents. Yeah, something that they can just click on and get it down. So thank you. Thank you. Do you guys, Tana, Sean, do you have anything else? Yes.

Okay. I believe that it is. If you all have any further questions, Sean, do you have any comments to make? While he's unmuting, I will share this. We have gotten some response from, you know, some folks in Mattaphone County, particularly a business, so we're working with them on getting some assistance. So we thank you for sharing what you've already shared and we just want to make sure that we are accommodating those who need assistance who might miss the information.

Well I appreciate taking the time and reaching out and having multiple discussions with us to ensure our folks get with the assistance they need. So thank you very much for that. thank you for having us thank you so much we appreciate it thank you yes thank you so much thank you stay clear um okay we'll just all right all right okay uh now we're up for resolutions and all of them are secondary roads so i will make the motion to approve a e f and g All in one motion, and that is approving culvert replacements. E is road closure due to water overroad. F is approving road reshaping. And G is approving culvert replacement. So you already said motion. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Any discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. All right, we're now up to resolution B, approving work agreement between Madison County and Cleck. Excuse me. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Next one is C, approving work agreement between Madison County and Truers. I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that. Do I have a motion to approve? So moved. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Next one is D. Is Delta approving work agreement between Madison County and Hayman? Do I have a motion to approve? So moved. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Before you move on, is there any way to shut the door? We've got a lot of noise coming from the back there. We make sure there's no sign on the back of this process All right, thank you. Thank you. Okay We've already approved E. We've approved F already. So let's be approved G so the last one is H and approving modified secondary roads five-year program. Mike talked about this earlier. We need to do that to open us up to more opportunities, especially for covered bridges. Do I have a motion to approve? Second. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. The next one is applications for license permits and cancellations. The first one is an application for use of Madison County Grounds for Life small town tour on Monday, September 28th from 5 a.m. to 9 a.m. Do I have a motion to approve? So moved. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? Just clarification, Life 107.1 radio station. Okay, thank you. Any discussion? Any further discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. The next one is an application for a temporary liquor license. For six in motion, do I have a motion to approve? Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. The last one is application for fireworks display for James Kaczynski. Do I have a motion to approve? Second. Do I have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor, please vote aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. All right, the next one is we have assistance request to be heard. Jamie Rucker. She here?

Yes. First of all, I just want to thank you guys for giving me the chance and opportunity to speak today about this. When I left the meeting last week, or the last meeting that last week, I apologize. I couldn't have been more upset and disgusted than I have in any meeting that I have left. These discussions around the cameras and who has access and seeing what really, really just hits hard for me with the courthouse. There are juveniles entering this courthouse for reasons that are beyond their control at times or reasons that none of us have any right to know. When they're entering this courthouse, yes, people can see them coming in. No one knows why they're in there. No one has the right, besides the county attorney and the sheriff, to actually even see that they're going into juvenile court. I have reached out and spoke to guardian ad litems that I knew. They said that having these issues do hinder them having juveniles trust them. It builds trust issues when they're trying to bring them in and get them to trust them in these hearings when they know they're on Facebook, they see this stuff, they understand what's going on. It builds trust issues with caseworkers and everything else. They don't want to be in here. Again, some of them are not in there because of things they've done. It's family issues that they're in there for, and it's not acceptable that anybody can see this or know what's going on with them, period. When speaking to these guardian ad litems, they said that if this is something that is going to happen, that the Board of Supervisors will be having access to these cameras. It is something that they will be reaching out to judges to request that their cases be moved because it is a definite violation of minors' rights. On top of that, another topic that really hits home for me and is a big struggle and something that I support And everything wholeheartedly is for domestic violence victims and sexual assault victims. It takes a lot to get these victims to come into a courthouse, period, to want to sign anything or do anything or file an order or even ask for help. They don't want to be known as a victim to anybody throughout themselves, to anyone, let alone whole county so if you're viewing these cameras and viewing these things and you happen to have one of your friends right there seeing it not saying you will but could happen it's happened before that someone sees this then let's get ran about this person being in here doing this that could be their life it could be something else this is happening all over super close to home where domestic violence victims sexual assault victims are losing their lives There could be hearings that are happening that are having people come in to speak on them or whatever and something gets out. Or a hearing gets thrown out because someone's seen something they weren't supposed to and someone loses their life over this. These victims deserve their privacy. They don't deserve to be stared at, looked at, and everything else while they're coming in here. are on Facebook. They see these things, they read, they listen to these meetings. So when they know this is going to be something that's being recorded, they're not going to want to come in. They're not going to want to be the victim. They're not going to want to file something because Sally is coming in to file this and Julie happened to see it on camera and said this, and now Bill knows that he's going to show up at her house and beat her to death or kill her. because he didn't know she was coming in to get a no contact order or other type of assistance and turn him in so she could leave, or vice versa, men are abuse victims as well. It's not acceptable. And when cases start getting moved or we're losing cases here because of these cameras being reviewed or anybody being able to see them, other than, again, we voted as a community, and Sheriff Barnes was voted in by the majority. Therefore, like it or not, he is our sheriff. He is the one we entrusted to view these cameras, to support us, to protect us. County Attorney Swanson was appointed by this board to be in, to protect him. Our...

I'm sorry, did you give her five? Eight or five minutes. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to Okay, moving on to other business, board member reports. Who would like to go first? Go ahead, Diane.

I'm trying to set up time for the Optimist Club to have the architects come to discuss. The Optimist Club would like to talk about phase two of the course. They have a hard time getting us all up there together. I did meet with Tana and Sean and Mitch and I, the disaster recovery. And we did send all this information to all the cities. So they have that last week. And I think St. Charles has already made use of some of it, or they're working on it. I'm working with WHO, and you guys are going to have to help me, about raising money for bridge repair, covered bridge repair. WHO Radio, they're willing to help. And then Saturday, we do this once a month. during Farmer's Market and we do little, we don't do courthouse tours, but the little kids come into the middle of the water fountain and we play little games and keep them in history. So I will do that this Saturday. Okay.

Okay, lots of work on elderly services stuff and we'll all pause that until we get to that agenda item. But I attended the ISAC conference last Wednesday through Friday, so happy that I did. Lots of discussion. I kind of developed a summary just for the board's benefit and the public. A lot of discussion amongst supervisors from across the state regarding data centers. Currently there are 17 counties that have a moratorium. And I think there's certainly an effort or an acknowledgement by many supervisors of that they don't necessarily just want to exclude them forever, but there needs to be a lot more definition between what is a large data center or a utility scale data center versus a business, a data closet, you know, just to serve their needs, you know, and there's differences between data processing, data mining. So it was great discussions. Flock cameras were a big topic. uh overwhelmingly the supervisors that were present in that meeting were overwhelmingly opposed story county told quite a story about their experience with the plot cameras and how they have some they were not as presented and there were a lot of shenanigans i'll say and they are now working uh to remove them and they're it's going to be coming to a vote to that board to to get those removed And it's not just flock, that's just what everybody calls them, but there's all kinds of companies that do that. Yeah, I'll just say surveillance cameras. We can just call them surveillance cameras. Yeah. We talked a little bit about CSN and that there's a third company now providing IT solutions for government entities, so I was happy to hear that. Michelle, I had a question. Our Amazon account, is that an Amazon business account? It is, it's your ISAC.

And we've just finished the last glitch. So if you would like to be a part of that, we'll send you the link. Absolutely.

Yeah, they talked about the savings for having an actual Amazon business account. Do you want me to start?

Sure. So the ISAC business account for Amazon Eliminates the need for credit cards which department head can set up their own ordering process and utilize the information that we provide to Amazon. It takes seven to ten days. Brandy was instrumental in evaluating that farther and so I encourage... Is it easy to track so you know the... Well the thing is you get a bill.

Yeah, I know.

Instead of, absolutely, you get a detail bill because you're the one ordering it, you're the one submitting the claim, and you're the one that approves the claim to be submitted to the auditor. So if I buy new shoes, it's not going to be approved? I wouldn't approve.

No.

Thank you. I want to make sure. No.

You've had issues with it. Okay, so does that help? Yeah. Great.

There was a lot of discussion regarding... A lot of discussions at the state level and with the State Veterans Affairs Department regarding regionalization and what that will look like. A lot of heartburn when there was discussion about instead of just a flat $10,000 per PSO or each office, they were discussing tying it to the federal dollars that come in. A lot of outrage expressed over that. So hopefully and I'm thankful to ISAC for Iowa State Association of Counties. I'm sorry I didn't define that earlier. I'm grateful that they're working for us and trying to champion a lot of these issues with our state legislature on behalf of county supervisors. The other thing that they're working on is regarding eminent domain. And I'm code 479B, prohibits the use of eminent domain. They're wanting to amend that code to prohibit the use of eminent domain by hazardous material pipeline companies that are not a public utility and not serving a public use and or purpose. I was happy to hear there's some developments there. I meant to mention this earlier when Brady was here, but there is a lot of discussion regarding Medicaid funding and legislators asking, excuse me, ISAC asking on behalf of the county supervisors, hey, there's not sufficient funding to reimburse these expenses, and they're really hoping to champion and change that. that funding allocation so there's not such a loss on that end with Medicaid services.

Medicaid is, payment is lower in a rural area than in a large city, is that correct? I'm not sure it used to be all of those. But I know that the county back those laws.

There's a lot of gaps. There's a lot of gaps there and that was certainly a big topic. There was a lot of discussion regarding TIF and asking the legislators and ISAC will be asking the legislators to limit the number of years and phasing out the perpetual TIF districts. I was excited to hear about that. Is Mike still here? Did you happen to go to that conference, Mike? I know you're very... I know what you're going to say. Road use tax? Yeah. Yeah, there's discussion regarding the road use tax fund. SF-257, it was implemented in 2015. And it's never been raised? It's never been raised. And that's what ISAC's trying to champion to our legislators. Hey, can you make it current? Current and make some adjustments to get some more funding for our roads.

What's the excuse for never raising it, Mike? Nobody likes to pay tax.

They're going to lower the percentage of two secondary roads?

So that's already been done.

Yeah, that's done. I'm not part of the thing. It's a topic that if you wish I could speak at the next meeting.

Yeah, we talked about it. I think that'd be good. Thank you. Discussion regarding property tax reform. You know, there was reform. The legislation passed. There's a lot of questions. I'm going to actually read what Isaac stipulated. They talked about letting it play out, but they're looking for legislation that will phase in decoupling of ag buildings from ag land and to value ag buildings at their full market value. The value that's generated from ag buildings is auto-subtracted from the value generated for ag land by the productivity formula So construction of any new ag building adds zero net value to Iowa property tax base. This situation is doubly problematic because large-scale livestock operations and grain facilities impose significant additional costs on counties, i.e. road maintenance, et cetera, without expanding the tax base. So they're aware of it.

They're going to get a lot of pushback on that.

They're going to get a lot of pushback. I don't know what the right formula is. I don't know that they'll come up with any resolution regarding that. But they're talking about it. And that pushback. Yeah.

What about, did they address, can't you put an ag building or ag related in our right of way, which just happened right out by me? Is that correct?

Because it's ag, it can be in a right-of-way?

I think what we're trying to address, again, is not in the agenda to speak, but I think that has to do with our current zoning regulations. There's no setback requirements in the right-of-way. Not in the right-of-way, but no setback.

My understanding is they're working on all of that. I would reach out to Ryan. All right. They talked about, you know, ISAC has taken the position they oppose legislation that circumvents local control over policy or land use decisions or supersedes local zoning ordinances. They're really trying to tackle that and reign in the legislature in that regard. There was a lot of discussion regarding the back of blue legislation and share of conversation stabilization. And they want to find a better formula for stabilizing it and maintaining the wages now that the progress has been made. Because we're kind of stuck in a vicious cycle now. And as you, you know, you point to these other areas that have these significant increases, the next year just got to go up significantly. And then next year, so we got to have some way to stabilize it and Yeah. But most valuably that ISAC conference is just networking with other county supervisors from across the state. So invaluable. So invaluable and I really appreciate that ISAC and everything that all those folks do to champion county causes. So thank you. Thank you. So regard to pivot on the whole data center thing there's been a lot of conversations on the supervisor based camp about that and I've talked to several supervisors this week and they've gotten copies of our moratorium because one of the things I talked about is like to the concern you had mentioned is that data centers is a vague thing it could be the telco closet to an amazon I mean you have to really define it now in our moratorium we defined it very specifically what other counties are getting They're finding out that that's causing problems if you don't define it well. So there was one, and I sent it to Ryan, but there was one moratorium that a county did where they actually stipulated small, medium, large. So it's clear what the moratorium is doing by square footage. Do you remember which county that was? I have to go. But anyway, so lots of conversations this week about that, probably because of the ISAC conference. I did attend the city of Earlham city council meeting and specifically about the cameras in our small little town. We have one at every single street. So they see it coming and going. And I think, to your point, I think what they were told a year ago when they installed them was not what it actually is. So in Earlham, the data is shared not just with our local folks, but the FBI can access that. Some random Air Force base in Ohio can access it, which is kind of weird. And the post office, I don't know why they need to know if you're coming and going, but anyway in addition to other other um because they aggregated up so uh there was well attended meeting there was every single person there spoke against it i think the city council may move to remove them so uh my hope is that they do because i don't i think they were uh i think there was a year ago there was not a lot of understanding and i think more understanding is coming up and i think the only other in Madison County that has them right now. I think Bennington has a few, but I'm not sure about that. And I don't know if our law enforcement's still here. But so yes, so it's not, it is very unpopular in Earlham. And we actually had a gentleman that spoke that he chooses not to do business in Earlham specifically because he doesn't want to be tracked as coming and going and he doesn't live in Earlham. So one of our local businesses missed out on a $20,000 sale. because he refuses to do business and throw them into those cameras right now. So that caught the attention of our mayor, so hopefully we'll have those coming down soon. So that, and then also I have good news to, regarding opioid funds. Apparently there was a bill passed that became effective July 1st of this year that repealed the section of the code that prohibited private religious institutions from having access to their money. That was signed when? That was signed in May of this year and became effective in July. So it's not updated on the website yet, the website, but I do have a copy of the actual bill. So what that section says is, and this was a sticking point last year when we had the refuge come and request funding is that they could get the funding but they can't require any kind of ecclesiastical attendance or participation so that was kind of sticking point because part of their ministry is to attend Bible study and go to church and stuff like that so that section has been repealed so going forward Nonprofits, both secular and religious, can apply for those funds. So they know that now. So I think going forward, when we have more funds coming in, we need to make sure we do a public notice on this and not just default to who has gotten it before. So I don't want to give the impression that we are discriminating based on belief systems. Do we know where we're at on that as far as the funds coming in?

We paid them a payment of $37,000 and we had a little over $38,000. Now it's trickling in again and we don't know, I have to ask the treasurer if she didn't, we don't know.

They all come in at the same time.

No, it trickles in. And so we never know how much. We kind of wait until we get a lump sum. I'm not for reopening it, but why would you reopen it when you're successful in your schools?

Because we want to make sure we give everybody the opportunity rather than defaulting. So before we were prohibited legally from doing so, we are no longer prohibited legally. So going forward, I'd like to give everybody an opportunity in our county to submit applications for those funds. So hopefully they'll get the legislative website updated. I did advocate for Madison County Supervisor. I'm like, hey, if you need a use for your funds, we've got a good program. Yes.

I asked them and they told me to jump in a lake. Oh. Didn't work.

I did reach out to other counties. Maybe as a discussion. Let's work it out. Well, the point would be is maybe you should also decide at what point you open it back up. Is it once a year? Is it when you hit $50,000? We can talk about the task force.

I think the task force can do that once a year at future meetings.

No, the task force can do it once a year. No, my purpose is so the board is aware that that was an appeal in a bill that was passed this session. Going forward, there's no prohibition on entities, whether they're religious or secular. So all will have equal opportunity to apply. OK. That's it for my reports. We'll go ahead and get back to the agenda here. So elderly services. So elderly services. I'm just going to do a quick rundown. I know I'm hitting my water limits here. The furnace was installed. It's all finished that. I'm waiting to get an ETA on when the duct work will be done. The roofing, there was a shortage of material due to a price increase. Everybody went out and bought this specific roofing material. The supplier is indicating it should be mid-September. There's going to be a little delay in getting that roof replaced. I had a great walkthrough with Amy from the state regarding the ADA. We walked through the site. She was quite happy with it and thought it would be a great space for the needs as we talked through those. She will have a report at the end of this week and she's happy to come present to the board as well. If you ladies would like that. Would you like her to come to the next meeting or do you want just the report? I don't care. We'd pull this one. Yeah, I figured. Just kind of save her a trip. So we should have that information later this week. I did have an electrician out to confirm that panel above the future VA space. I was a little concerned that we were going to be out of room on that panel or it potentially could have, would need to be upgraded, especially after having spoken with the ADA specialist. She's recommending automatic door operators, of course, those take energy, power. But the electrician confirmed he thinks we have plenty of room to play with. We're going to have a little bit of energy savings with new lighting that will help offset some things. Then we're going to need to, if Thaddeus wants an outlet added, we're going to have a few ads, you know, the automatic door operators. He thought it would be fine. He didn't think that panel needed to be upgraded, so that was really good news there. You mentioned lighting. Did you, I don't know if this is still going on or not, but MidAmerican offers incentives and discounts and grants for LED lighting. So I don't know if it's still going on, but it might be something to look at.

I'll explore that.

Thaddeus is really wanting to change the type of lighting. Currently, it's the kind of drop-down fixtures that come down. That ceiling is low enough. He's asking for recessed can lighting.

So I kind of needed to find that first, but I will certainly explore that.

Because I know Earlham got a... i think it was it was a few years several years ago i think it was like a fourteen thousand dollars so fifteen thousand dollar grant for all to replace all the led lightings on our main street so and they they they offer it to any residents or business and i'm assuming government too so it might be something Last I knew, they were starting to phase that out as enough people had upgraded, but I'll certainly look to make sure. I don't know if you were the last one. I can't speak. Something is his tech.

Audio is cut out. I'm not sure.

I mean, is the audio cut out?

Jess, an old supervisor came in.

Folks, can you hear? Can someone on mute hit star six? OK, perfect. Thank you. All right, thank you. It's working now. I wasn't there. All right, thank you.

An old supervisor came in and said that always the plan was when they built the jail, this was way before us, when they built the jail, that they would knock down that building and add on, and I've been told that in the next 10 years we're going to be forced to build onto our jail. Now I don't know that Winterset will get anything done, but that's a concern if that happens, and one will sell that building, because I think that could happen.

Well, we also have that lot that McDonald's offered to buy from us that's just north of... Yeah, but then you'd have to start over and build a whole new jail rather than add on.

That would look costly. You'd have to buy one. Well, it would be, we just instead of going south, we went north.

So that's one of the reasons why we didn't sell that lot. That's failed. But that's failed. That's one of the reasons why we didn't sell that lot. According to Phil, was we didn't want to sell that lot because we, because for the very reason you're saying, we don't want that. So. So maybe that's a future discussion. Because that's across my mind when I heard about the field house being pulled. With the field house police station being pulled, I'm like, okay, wait a minute. How does that change things for the county? This is something we need to think about. Go ahead. Yeah, so it's on the agenda for, because I didn't know what you were going to present. So I put it on there with discussion of possible motions. So I didn't know if you had Anything for us to get a motion on, or was this the review? No, I don't. My intention is to get the full scope to council this week to review the language and ensure that it's all good, and then I should have that finalized. I need to have the meeting with the ADA person, contact, and then legal. Those are kind of the last steps. And this is for a scope and remodel? Scope. And then we'll bring it to the board. Okay. Okay. All right. So just to report today? Just to report today. Okay. All right, so the next one, we already talked about the fiscal 23, 27 audit. with Michelle during her presentation on that. But we'll, so there was an item on the agenda, I mean on one of the findings to where something was requested to be referred to legal. And we wanted to double check that based on something that I heard when Shelly was auditor, because I didn't know if that was accurate and we checked on it and the state auditor said that The state auditor was correct on that. So I don't know how that would work for that item to be legal. I know that the audits were already sent to the county attorney, and I believe the AG's office too, so they may already have it. I don't know if it's just a simple matter of us saying, hey, you know, is there something going on with this, or do we just need to move on? So I don't know. Do we need to just forward it to outside counsel, or do we need to... Well, it's already been technically forwarded to, based on what the auditor is saying in this letter, is it's already been forwarded to legal and AG. So I would assume they're looking at it.

But legal is broad. Who's legal?

Who is it forwarded to? I'm assuming the county attorney. Oh, okay. So I don't know if there's something that, anything else we need to do on that? Since it's been reported to the entities, do we need to follow up on that, or are we good? That's kind of the, I don't know, this is my first time at that, so if you guys want to think about it, we can talk about it again, but we were kind of waiting for Michelle to give us an update to the question that I asked at our report session. And my answer was I have no additional questions. So now we know, and so I didn't know if we wanted to follow up with them to say, are we putting this to bed or are there something to be done? I don't know what the board wants on there. I would take the inquiry to those who have been communicated with the county attorney to see if there's anything else you need to do yet. Would you like to do that? Yeah, that'd be great. If you would do that and then copy the board. Yes, thank you. Thank you.

Okay. So I just want to make sure, so to

Is the findings from the fiscal 23 audit?

Correct. It's specifically with the remodel of the sun and the otters.

Page 106, the public re-audit. So we were just double checking to make sure there wasn't any further action necessary. So yeah, if you could do that and just copy the board on the communication, that would be great. Thank you. Okay, so that was an agenda item we added. So now we'll go on to the actual agenda item that's there. It is discussion with the Council on motion to give directions concerning further matters regarding the State Auditor Bill dispute. All of you have been copied on the communication. So Michelle, I don't know if you are working with the State Auditor's Office to get a date or how, what's the, what's the? All the communications between you and Mr. LeBlanc. Okay, so I will reach out to him to find out

I do know that they are looking at the annex to do that. Of course, that makes sense. So whatever you need me to do is very directly.

Okay, so what I'll do is just keep you copied on everything, so you're aware, and then we'll get a date scheduled based on what they need. Well, my concern when I saw those communications was that they were going to throw out a date that may or may not work for us, so I'm wondering if we can request it to be on a Tuesday, since we all have that time reserved on a Tuesday morning. I can do that. More wishes. That's fine. It might simplify things if you just kind of give them a... Okay. Okay. I will ask them on that, and they can all copy on that too, so you're aware. Thank you. That is an open public meeting.

Yes, it is. Everybody will have a chance to talk.

Yep, yep. But they did put parameters on there, and they did say it's only an hour. The meeting, yep. They'll keep it, and they will hold to that. Yes, I know. I don't think it's long enough for a public comment, but... but that's the requirement okay okay the next one is discussion with possible motion giving direction regarding open records requests this was I offered to put it on here because there's a lot of discussion regarding this so I don't know there seems to be some disagreement on things so I just kind of want to put it on there so the board can discuss i think we have a serious problem with not being uniform and how these requests are being responded to i would make a recommendation and michelle said she would send what she has electronically to us so i would i would make a motion that we table this but put it on our very next agenda um to give us a chance to give us a chance to review what she's got she might already have a version that we could just implement you know so we need time to review that um and take it from there and then there's also the the um the caveat you know how we're gonna make sure we accommodate the solutions amendment that we passed so that will happen that's already So maybe both of those.

Well, no, that would not be, it's like who's releasing. I think that's the purpose of that.

Oh, so who's releasing.

Not requesting, who's releasing. Correct. That's been the issue. Okay.

So do we want to add, do we want to... I just want to make sure our open records request does not conflict with the solutions contract. Correct. And I want to make sure that we're consistent. If we're charging one citizen for services and we're not charging another, we better get that right. We better make that right. So do we want to add, do we want to meet next Tuesday? I don't think I can. That is Tuesday the 1st. I don't think I have it. do you want it or would you want to put it in the afternoon to allow a little more time in the afternoon before the next regular evening meeting yes because the our meeting on the 8th is in the evening let's do it at that meeting because i have lane field stuff first well we try to do our evening meetings short because We don't want to go... She was talking about afternoon, though. Oh, afternoon. Oh, before the meeting. I see. Correct. Okay. I'm not opposed to that. Are you down okay with that? I can make that work if that works for you, Diane.

It's better. I'm happy to respond. It's not about me, but it's like that works better.

Now, before we finalize that, what's the due date for audit RFP responses? The 8th. Oh, it's the 8th. We can send it to the 8th. Okay, so we will have those in by the 8th as well.

We could do an opening after the discussion about FOIA.

That's fine. yes it's a long meeting but if you read the evening one so what you're saying doing it during that work session and then do um i know the board usually likes to take a week to evaluate the responses so then do a special meeting on the 15th yeah well we'll also have the actually it's going to be

We'll have a canvas as well for the special election. On the 8th? No, the 8th is under control as the special election for the public school major. Right, okay. So that falls in our office.

So do we have to do the canvas on the 15th anyway? The next Tuesday, yes. Okay. So if we have to do canvas anyway, we can always do the decision on that RFP then as well. So the board will have a whole week. Open on the 8th. The board will have a whole week through you, and then we can make a decision on the 15th.

All right, wait, no. The 15th is, that's a watershed field day. What time would you do it on the 15th?

well when did you want to do the canvas on the 15th in the morning probably earlier are you okay doing that i would need to consult with from the bottom of the table okay so why don't we tend to are we okay tentatively and she may pipe in here in a minute you guys can do it whatever time you want it doesn't matter to me try to stay away from between 11 and 2 if you can well i was thinking like 9 30 doing our studies so are you okay with that yeah okay all right now we're sure everyone else so that's the campus is the 15th and 9th and um audit rfp awarding yeah this could be a special need yeah yeah all right okay and then are we gonna then on the eighth We're going to do a work session before to talk about open records.

So a work session, then a special to open, and then the regular BOS meeting. That way we're not here till late at night.

Yes. Do we want to do that at 3 and start the work session? so we don't have a you know a few hours in between and well if we're not going to make a decision like we just do we have to have it as a special we can actually do the let's go five to six we can open without it being a special because we're not making any decisions we're just going to be talking about making a special but we might be making decisions regarding the open records are we talking about those on the 82 no that's that's evaluated so we could do the work session at three

4 o'clock we start the special opening and any kind of decision that might come up.

So the board in the past, if you guys change your mind, that's fine, we never made a decision on the day we opened it.

No, I'm not talking about making a decision about a tweet.

For the open record. Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. So, okay. Why don't we just do the whole thing as a special event? Rather than doing three? Yeah. Three to five. And that gives everybody a break.

Plenty of time to, I would think that would be plenty of time.

So September 8th, three to five, we're doing a special session, and that will be open RFPs, and we'll have a regular meeting at six.

So the special session would be discuss the open records, and then open the RFPs. Okay.

And then can we just limit it to those two things? Yes.

And just so the board knows, we've gotten at least one response already. I've asked Michelle to be the one to kind of corral that since her office is regularly has someone there and to receive all that because I don't know if they're going to send it via mail or UPS or FedEx or they can have somebody there all the time. okay so any further discussion on open records request otherwise we can move on to the next thing okay the next one is under new business is a discussion regarding stopping outside counsel we have a we've already read the recommended resolution on that and it was not in the board packet no and but per policy that we did we approved a few years ago is before we put a board member resolution that they want to do it comes before the board as a discussion item and then after we discussed it then it can come on as a resolution at the next subsequent meeting So can I pause you right there? Is that a policy that you're wanting to change, Diane, or you, Heather? We've followed it as far as I know.

significantly um and it allows time to discuss because it could be it's like you know the board's not amenable to it not put it forward so um but danielle if you want to change that to where well per robert rule of order i leave will partner and i can't put something on it we've discussed it over and over and over again and we do not know where fund balances are we don't even balance we have got to quit spending money on off-site council because we don't know where we are And we're spending money. All we need to do, you can laugh at me, but this isn't our money. And it's an irresponsible thing to do. You have lawyers upstairs. We need to make peace. We're only here four months. We need to make peace and make this easier for these two new guys coming on board because we don't know where we balance. And we've got a lot of legal bills out here that I think if we just drop this and stop and shake hands and say we're done with this, this will all go away.

So, Diane, just so you know, I mean, Robert Fools comes into play when there is no policy or procedure.

We also have a resolution to act as a unit. We have a policy procedure that you and Phil put forward.

And you know why we put that forward. Yes, we do. And most people know why, too. So... you guys put it forward and we've been abiding by that policy since it was put forward okay so if we want to change it that's fine we can change it but people are fully aware of it we're spending money we don't know that we have so okay um so anything else diane anything new to say about it Do you have anything else you'd like to talk about this matter? You're the one that requested to be added to the agenda. I'm asking if you said what you needed to say.

I said I don't think, I just said it. Stop spending money. Okay, I wanted to make sure you didn't have it. What do you want me to say? I've been asking you to have anything more before I spoke.

Please, please, please. I was asking if you had anything more. Let's move on.

This meeting's lasted long enough.

Well, I think I have that done.

Don't chastise me. I said move on, it's off the table, go. No, I want to make sure it's not off the table.

Because the other two supervisors are not going to do that. So did you want to give any feedback first?

Yeah, I was trying to be courteous to make sure it was done.

So now I would like to say my statement. I voted to retain outside counsel to represent the Board of Supervisors in August of 25. I did not vote to hire a private attorney for myself or Supervisor Spansel. I voted to retain outside counsel for the Madison County Board of Supervisors in its official capacity. The Board made that decision because it had become clear that the relationship with County Attorney Swanson was no longer providing the board with the independent, reliable legal advice it needed. I had experienced repeated instances of what I believed to be inaccurate or legally unsound advice, as well as legal advice that I believed was influenced by personal disagreements rather than the law. My responsibility is to protect Madison County and its taxpayers, and I believe outside counsel is necessary to do that. Since the vote to retain outside counsel to represent the board, the county attorney has continued to demonstrate why that decision was necessary. There are now several litigation matters brought by or involving the auditor. One of those matters recently resulted in a judge determining that the county attorney could not represent the auditor against members of this board because of a conflict of interest. The court also ruled that the cost of representing the auditor in her official capacity are to be paid by the county. That is not a theoretical conflict. The court found an actual conflict. It is therefore difficult to understand why Supervisor Fitts would propose formal action to eliminate the board's independent counsel while we have active and pending litigation. I also take issue with the resolution's characterization of our council as, quote, private outside council retained by Supervisor Stansel and me for our, quote, individual interests. That is not an accurate description of what the board authorized, and repeating that characterization does not make it accurate. I have previously stated publicly that my use of outside council has been exclusively for official Madison County matters. The county itself routinely uses specialized outside counsel for matters including HR, zoning, and litigation. There's nothing unusual about a governmental entity using independent counsel when circumstances require it. I stand by my obvious 2025 vote. I made that decision to protect the county, not myself, and the events since then, including the court's finding of a conflict, have only reinforced why that independent representation was necessary. So I would ask Supervisor Fitch, why bring this resolution forward now while there is active and pending litigation involving the board and its outside counsel?

What is the acting and pending litigation? He has never shared that with me. I have no clue what this is about.

We have a lawsuit from the auditor, Diane.

It is because you started this. You sued us. You sued. You sued.

Okay, I'm very... You're very disappointed in me. And given the recent judicial finding that the county attorney has a conflict in representing the auditor against members of this board, why would eliminating the board's independent counsel be considered in the best interest of Madison County and its taxpayers? What's it for?

What are you going to come out of this? What are you going to solve? You've alienated all of your staff. Nobody wants to talk. Nobody likes this county. They talk about us in a negative way.

Okay, so you're not going to answer the question. Third question. Final question. Final question. Do you intend to support county-funded legal representation for the auditor pursuant to the judge's order? No. I will go away. So you're not going to follow the judge's order?

Stop suing each other. I'll have to follow his order. I can't do anything about it.

That's right. So will we. Yeah, that's right.

Stop suing people.

I'm not suing anyone, Diane. I am defending against lawsuits.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Please, please, please. Okay, so we really need to be careful. Oh, to pay our bills? Guys, we really need to be careful because there is, to your point, there is active litigation. We have folks here that do have outside counsel including our auditor. I'm very uncomfortable talking about this while we have litigation and we have, we can keep it to the topic of the resolution without talking about the litigation. No, we need to move on. No, Diane, this needs to get out because there's other reasons. I think for your position, Jess, but Diane, you have been copied on most of the emails But it tells you nothing. Our county attorney has been abusive in his emails and harassing. And I'm sorry, saying it's unprofessional is an understatement. So I'm happy to read some of the things that he said to me, which as a person is bad, as a female even more. So I'm happy to read those two because a lot of you, you were copied on. Now, I'm sorry, Diane, if someone talked to one of your children like that, would you encourage them to maintain a relationship with them? Or would you say, go find somebody else? OK. So having an attorney is very important. It's a very important relationship. It's a sacred trust. You have to be able to trust what they tell you is not going to harm you. And I do not have that trust. That is why we have outside counsel.

Why did you fight? hard to employ him.

Diane, Diane, Diane, that is not true.

That is not true.

Diane, that is not true. And you continue to make inaccurate and untruthful statements and you want to put that on the list. So I'm sorry, I'm sorry. This is not, this is not, this is not the right, this is not the right forum for you to do that. You're doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm defending myself. I'm defending myself.

You're the cause.

Excuse me. In your head, yeah. That's her first warning. So, you know, Mr. Fletcher, you know how meetings are wrong.

Do we need a forum policy?

So, Diane, my request to you is please stop making false accusations without proof and using a resolution to do so. That is inappropriate and gross is liable. So, we all support Oath and we all have the right to counsel. All of us have the right to counsel. And you are trying to remove counsel from the board. And I don't appreciate that. So now we've been playing you through our communities.

OK, that's it. Sherry, that's it.

Sherry, please, this is your first warning.

I made the motion to adjourn this meeting. It's done. Yeah, I know. But second, we have other things to discuss. You just passed things over and over and over again.

So Diane, now that we've discussed this, feel free to bring a resolution forward to the next meeting.

I will.

Maybe you should rewrite it to be factual and accurate. Maybe you should tweak it.

Can't wait for Janie Rickford.

26 priorities. Are we going to do 26 priorities? So I followed up with the engineer. And unfortunately, he had a death in the family. So he's delayed getting a response to that. We read that. So I'm hoping he gets that to us this week. his response to it. So that's where we're on that. The comprehensive plan revision, I'm not sure why that's on there. Did someone hear that?

That's okay. So we're going to skip that?

Yeah, we're going to skip that because our confidence is there.

But we could add in, you guys wanted to talk about forward-throwing. Do you want to take that as well? Yeah.

Can we put that on?

So the next one is the ordinance review and update

I don't know if Ryan is still here. Yeah, I'm here. I'm sorry, I was talking about Elder Ryan. But you're here, so that's good too. So can you go ahead and stop tape?

So our Vice Chair and Chair of the Zoning Commission has had to come to consensus and sent me for review. the subdivision regulations and the solar ordinance. I think he mentioned that during Ryan's presentation. I'm in the process of reviewing that. And once I kind of do the tertiary review, it will be sent to the entire zoning commission, both of those ordinances, of which they will begin their discussion and any changes necessary. Once they come to consensus, then it will be forwarded to you for adoption.

So the intent is to kind of do a phased approach, have different sections come to us? Yeah. Okay. I think that's good. That way we'll get some of the more important things in place, which is causing you the most frustration.

Yeah.

so um and refresh my memory it's going to be the subdivision and what else solar solar how are you getting along on the data center that as ryan mentioned that will probably be next um after they resolve as a commission the two that are brought before then okay ryan you might use their statistics in utah but the data centers use more

electricity than the whole state combined and their use of water is incredible it depends on how the data center is designed though well well i think it's an overall you might look into that some data centers actually use oil which is weird but we don't necessarily want to do that either and the runoff there's proving that you might look into that and then there's another study um In Indiana, because they're the mouth of the Great Lakes, I think they're just really fighting them because of the use of water. Just some of those are interesting studies.

Well, I know when I've been sending you some of the stuff that other supervisors have been sending me. So hopefully that is helpful. I don't know if that's helpful or not. But anyway, so thank you for the update. I appreciate it. I appreciate all of your hard work. I know it's been a pain and a long process.

So thank you, Ryan.

Okay, anything else? Otherwise, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay, we are adjourned.